In short: "kill the infadels".

CHARLES --

"mathematically encoded with the number 19 beyond human ability"

As mentioned earlier today, that needs to be a rotating title!
:-)

Now can we call him a terrorist?

However I made the decision to continue my studies and to graduate from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill so that the world will know that Allah’s servants are very intelligent.

But you couldn't inflict more than minor injuries with an SUV. Suuure. Brilliant!

# 1 e2m

Yeah, but he takes 519 words to say it!

Hey islam -- "Brevity is the soul of wit" -- take notes there!

/oh wait, they have no wit

/hm, not really much of a soul either

I hope Allah protects his virginity in the prison system. May he slowly rot away.

# 4 e2m

But, IMo, he has certainly taught us a lesson about 'servents of allah" (!)

Hang him.

in accordance with Allah’s will.

in accordance with Allah swill.

There, I fixed that for you, no extra charge for editorial corrections.

As a jihadi he makes a good argument against the death penalty. Give him what he has earned...life imprisonment. Use isolation, cell padding and force feeding as required.

Book 'em, Dano. Murder One.

Number 9...number 9...number 9. See, that's why no one died. He had the wrong number.

Let's see his attorney get him out of premeditated murder with this.

I am writing this letter to inform you of my reasons for premeditating and attempting to murder citizens and residents of the United States of America on Friday, March 3, 2006 in the city of Chapel Hill, North Carolina by running them over with my automobile and stabbing them with a knife if the opportunities are presented to me by Allah.

I'm glad the police released the note. It shows the mentality of what we're up against. Let the defense begin!

For those mystified by the reference to the number "19" in the letter:

It's part of a strange cultish sect within Islam that uses numerology to claim inerrancy for the Koran. It was devised by Rashad Khalifa, a would-be cult leader who was assassination by a Pakistani Islamic hit squad in 1990 (and stabbed 19 times!):

Rashad Khalifa

Mystical significance of the number 19 in the Koran, proving it is the Word of God.

Koran 19 numerology essay by a Muslim lunatic

Farrakhan's Nation of Islam connection to 19

Farrakhan references the "19" theories in a recent speech in DC

Portland Indymedia: significance of the 19 hijackers.

I do not wish to pursue my career as a student any further because I have no desire to amass the impermanent and temporary fame and material wealth this world has to offer.

If you have a "career" as a student I doubt you would have amassed any fame or material wealth anyway.

11 bp_sf is now bp_nj

Fortunately, it's "attempted murder 1". Unfortunately, that means that he'll be out in 5 years or so. And he'll try it again.

This letter shows just how evil Islam is.

This guy lived in the US most of his life.

Yet his religion, if one can call a Death Cult a "religion," taught him to randomly kill non-Muslims.

assassination = assassinated

PIMF

Anyone still have any doubts now about the true nature of allah? And don’t forget the pubah; he’s the messenger. One’s already dead; the other needs killing.

Sorry no virgins for this guy! I wonder if his mother is upset that he failed. Hopefully, someone will slip him the "other" white meat while behind bars.

In the name of Allah, the merciful, the compassionate.

I am writing this letter to inform you of my reasons for premeditating and attempting to murder citizens and residents of the United States of America on Friday, March 3, 2006 in the city of Chapel Hill, North Carolina by running them over with my automobile and stabbing them with a knife if the opportunities are presented to me by Allah.

Is it just me, or is there a disconnect between those two paragraphs?

He was just following his religion.

I am struck by the fact that he finds the Koran encoded with the number 19 beyond the skill of mere humans, and sees fit to comment on this. I am sure that some will argue that this belief of his makes him insane, and thus mitigates the shame that muslims should feel at his sharing of their religion, but the numeralogical aspects of Christianity, Isalm, Judaism, and many other religions are significant to their belief systems, and taken as signs of their divine inspiration. - This is not an uncommon belief.

The problem is not in the weakness of this practitioner's mind, no, he has demonstrated that he is intelligent, intentionally so. The problem is in the moral bankruptcy of the belief system that he was raised into. The Koran, the sacred book of Islam simply and plainly advocates the massacre of the Infidel. And everyone who is not Islamic is infidel. Someone who believes in the Koran must experience an discontinuity between their belief system, and what is accepted as just or moral behavior here in the US. So the islamic practicioner is faced with choices. He or she may somehow internalize and accept the disagreement between their belief system and the justice administered in society, and behave appropriately - they may reject their religion's anti-social elements, or they may embrace their religion, and reject the order of society, as this young man did.

I believe that every Islamic person struggles with the belief that they should kill the infidel at the earliest opportunity. This young man lost the battle, and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Here in the US, you are supposed to be responsible for your actions.

I also think that the FBI should be figuring out what mosque this guy attended, and figuring out how many other time-bombs of murder might be wandering around.

F-M

My understanding is that he will be well protected once inside the Federal prison system.

Islam is a force within the US penal system and an issue that needs to be corrected post haste.

Call it what it is, high treason during wartime. Hang the bastard.

HANG
EM
HIGH,
R

I did intend to use a handgun to murder the citizens and residents of Chapel Hill, North Carolina but the process of receiving a permit for a handgun in this city is highly restricted and out of my reach at the present, most likely due to my foreign nationality.

Unbelievable. He's complaining that he's a victim of discrimination because the city refused to give him a gun permit him so he could murder its residents. The Yiddish word for that, I believe, is CHUTZPAH!

The part about a permit being out of reach "at the present" gave me a bit of a chuckle. I think it's fairly safe to assume that the permit will be out of reach for a good long stretch--say, like, forever.

...the world will know that Allah’s servants are very intelligent.

Stop; you had me at Allah.

I know that the Qur’an is a legitimate and authoritative holy scripture since it is completely validated by modern science...

7th-century science, you mean.

I hope his message doesn't get taken out of context.

# 13 z

"UAL175 was skyjacked by NORAD "Octopus" technology, which si the same technology in all Boeing 757/767s already. All of them. NORAD has the power and authority whenever it sees fit to commander ANY COMMERCIAL 757/67 plane in the sky. The pilots of UAL175 did get out a distress call, before that was silenced as well. "

/cue scary music

/it's been months since I'm been on indymedia -- now i remember why!

# 24 scar

Tho I would almost pay to see the ACLU to sue for dude's 2nd amendment rights!
:-)
:-)

#13 Zombie -

Thanks for the info.

Oops! This guy confused "educated" with "intelligent", and it shows. Different words with different meanings.

Believing men and women were killed, and so according to his logic non-believing men and women must be murdered by him. Never mind that the men and women that he tried to kill were not responsible for his real or imagined complaints.

He claims that such terrorism is Islam.

Well, is it any wonder that Islam has a bad reputation?

Terrorists like him are the ones who paint the followers of Mohammed as cruel and inhuman murderers, and who cause the image of Mohammed to be that of a terrorist.

#25 Jack Reacher

Stop; you had me at Allah.

Show me the Mahdi. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

# 31 scar

ROTFLMAO!

Islamic Peter Principle:

I have made the decision to exercise the right of violent retaliation that Allah has given me to the fullest extent to which I am capable at present.

If you or I had ran over a group of muslimes - we would instantly be charged with a "HATE CRIME". It would be front page NYT.
islam*spit*

#22 Fish-Man

I believe that every Islamic person struggles with the belief that they should kill the infidel at the earliest opportunity.

That is not what he said.

ue to the killing of believing men and women under the direction of the United States government, I have decided to take advantage of my presence on United States soil on Friday, March 3, 2006 to take the lives of as many Americans and American sympathizers as I can in order to punish the United States for their immoral actions around the world.

Islam doesn't call for killing the infidel until the "end of days." The Koran is bad enough, we don't need to make up things.

#31 scaramouche
Heh heh.

"I'm sorry, the 12th Imam is unavailable. Would you like to speak to the 8th, or the 9th? You'll need an appointment to progress to the double-digit imams."

So what's his plea going to be? Innocent by reason of Islam?

Immigrant cognitive dissonance:

During the loud but peaceful mid-morning rallies demonstrators vented frustration over the controversial U.S. House Bill 4437, sponsored by Wisconsin Republican Rep. James Sensenbrenner. The controversial bill would, in part, make it a felony to be illegally in the country.

"I took today off of work," said Demirel Montiel, 29, who marched with his wife and three children. "I'm here for all the illegal people.

"Everybody's tired, tired that people think we're criminals. If you drive, you're a criminal. If you work, you're a criminal. If you're Mexican, you're a criminal."

Why would anyone get the idea that an ILLEGAL immigrant is a CRIMINAL?

More convincing evidence that allah is cognate with Baal (Hubal); an evil spirit that requires blood-sacrifice, but which is utterly powerless except though the exertions of its devotees.
How ugly that we see this in our own time.

I began my college career in August 2001 and graduated in December 2005 with a bachelor’s degree in psychology and philosophy with Allah’s help.

So is Allah a tutor on the side?

19 is magic. 1 from 9 is 8, which is Dale Earnhardt's # in the DEI Budweiser Monte carlo, and 9+1 is 10, and I think we all know the significance of #10.

Speaking of, not all is right in the world this cool but sunny day, as Texas is down a couple of baskets to LSU.

I did intend to use a handgun to murder the citizens and residents of Chapel Hill, North Carolina but the process of receiving a permit for a handgun in this city is highly restricted and out of my reach at the present, most likely due to my foreign nationality.

the system seems to work for that. thank god.

# 38 ray

"I just can't remember who wrote it, I'm sure I have a link somewhere."

IIRC, D. Pipes ...

/jus' guessin'

#38 rayra
At first I wasn't sure it was legit, it seemed such a caricature, a 'perfect proof'.

Exactly. I was just commenting to "zombie's friend" that -- even if you tried -- you couldn't construct a letter that was more damning of Islam, and of supposed "harmless" Muslims living in America.

I'm glad that Charles made a thread of this, because that letter should be seen by as many people as possible.

On a technical side note:

I find it fascinating the way this got publicized in a matter of minutes. This is the true power of the blogosphere and the new media ecosystem:

- Editor at small newspaper in NC decides to print the full text of the letter.

- Someone -- probably a NC local -- sees the article and posts it unattributed on a gun-owners forum.

- Rayra sees it there and reposts it on LGF, asking for verification that it's real.

- zombie finds the original text online, and another source confirming it.

- zombie sends links to Charles.

- Charles posts it as a thread on LGF.

- 100,000 people see the thread, and read the letter.

...and all of this happened in the space of a couple hours.

- (in the future) scores and scores of lesser blogs will reprint the letter after seeing it on LGF

- the ripples continue to spread outward.

Behold the power of the "newstream media."

Prosecute him under the Federal hate crime law, then send him to a prison in the deep south with a bunch of red neck good ole boys as cell mates. He may not get 72 virgins, but he'll get something.

#3 jake341
Now can we call him a terrorist?

No. That would be hateful

Have to call him a "freedom fighter"

#46 zombie

- Rayra sees it there and reposts it on LGF, asking for verification that it's real.

- zombie finds the original text online, and another source confirming it.

- zombie sends links to Charles.

- Charles posts it as a thread on LGF.

Looks like a California kabal to me. A Californian Zionist conspiracy. There must be 16 others in your kabal...

What troubles me is that he immigrated here in 1985 with his parents. Given that date, there is a very good chance that his parents moved to the US to get away from the mad mullahs. In the eighties, I personally knew a few Iranians that did just that. I found them to be very -- well, "American": well educated, hard working, family oriented, religious, I suppose, but not obsessed ... In fact, based on my personal knowledge, I spoke up for them when others questioned the wisdom of letting them come here, arguing that they shared our values.

I certainly hope this young man is the exception, and not an indicator of a wider phenomenon of the children reaching back, so to speak.

would this guy have the same opportunity to attend a UNC and the future a degree from UNC provides in Afghanistan? I mean, its not like they didn't let him in or didn't give him a degree. Bite the hand that feeds you much?

If this guy had Iranian parents, it may not have been a Wahabbi funded masjid that got to him.

I think we all know what a toxin Wahhabi influence, spread courtesy Saudi oil money, in Sunni mosques, is, but I wonder what Shia in America hear at the mosque.

The kid's a nut and deserves to be jailed for life without parole at the very least.

Don't get me wrong, I don't support the kid at all, but clearing up some of the language of the letter may help.

A few linguistic notes:

In the name of Allah, the merciful, the compassionate.

Known as the "basmala" or "bismala", this generally begins any correspondence written by a Muslim, whether by a sane individual writing a note to his mother, or a nutjob like this trying to justify his actions.

I am a servant of Allah.

Any Muslim would refer to himself or herself this when when saying "I am", not just nutjob terrorists like this idiot. "Abdul" means servent, and is generally followed by one of the 99 names of God, such as "the compassionate", etc.

if Allah wills

Always repeated when using the future tense, the "insha Allah" generally refers to mankind's inability to guarantee anything and the acceptance that all that will happen is God's will.

Everything else the kid wrote is typical terrorist stupidity that shouldn't be confused with something any sane person would write. But many things a typical Muslim would write can come across as extremist or downright nutty to your average American reader. A basic understanding of Arabic helps clear up the typical statements of anyone off the street with those of a lunatic like this.

He left out the part about the Jews making him do it.

#55 Village Idiot's Apprentice

He left out the part about the Jews making him do it.

Ding, ding, ding! This can't be authentic.

I did intend to use a handgun to murder the citizens and residents of Chapel Hill, North Carolina but the process of receiving a permit for a handgun in this city is highly restricted and out of my reach at the present,

Well I hope Sarah Brady will announce her support for banning SUVs.

#50 Earth2moonbat
Looks like a California kabal to me. A Californian Zionist conspiracy

Actually, the real interesting part about the whole process is that none of the people involved actually know each other, or have ever met, or spoken to each other, or work together, or anything like that. Five completely independent individuals magically coordinate to bring the letter to a wide audience -- it all happens organically.

I recently read a paper about "self-organizing neural networks" or somehting like that. And it's happening here in real life.

# 53 Ed

"I wonder what Shia in America hear at the mosque."

How righteous are those who would fight to clear out the evil sunnis and establish the real caliphate?
:-(

/again, jus' guessin'

It's a good thing we assimilate Muslims better than Europe does. What a relief.

Why didn't this kid turn his intelligence into healthy skepticism about the Koran's composition and history?

# 59 z

Well, it's theoretically possible the NC editor and the NC poster know each other, but your larger point (and that of your earlier post) is very well taken ...

His sister says he would not harm a fly or a roach.

# 64 r

But did anyone ask her about kufr?
:-)

"In the Qur’an, Allah states that the believing men and women have permission to murder anyone responsible for the killing of other believing men and women. I know that the Qur’an is a legitimate and authoritative holy scripture since it is completely validated by modern science and also mathematically encoded with the number 19 beyond human ability. After extensive contemplation and reflection, I have made the decision to exercise the right of violent retaliation that Allah has given me to the fullest extent to which I am capable at present."

Well, do you think we will ever be safe until we wipe this 'religion' out ?

And I don't give a flying fuck if it takes nukes to do it.

AND... he's not being tried as a terrorist because my great state of NC doesn't have any anti-terrorism laws!

um, duh... wouldn't you think those would have been the first order of business at the NC general session on 9/12?!?

59 zombie

Actually, the real interesting part about the whole process is that none of the people involved actually know each other, or have ever met, or spoken to each other, or work together, or anything like that.

Kinda like Milton Friedman's pencil.

I recently read a paper about "self-organizing neural networks" or somehting like that. And it's happening here in real life.

AKA the human brain. Artificial neural networks (artificial intelligence) need to be trained in a very slow painstaking process.

This clown's actions remind us how rarely the US Muslim population does this sort of thing. Can you imagine thousands of "yutes" burning cars in the streets of America for weeks on end? I wonder how nervous "rational" Muslims around the world are becoming?

He is a TRUE BELIEVER. Read Eric Hoffer's classic book of the same name, reviewed here:

[Link: www.investors.com...]

Islam, like Scientology, is One Hour Martinizing for the Brain. Cleaned, pressed, and heavily starched...

I did intend to use a handgun to murder the citizens and residents of Chapel Hill, North Carolina but the process of receiving a permit for a handgun in this city is highly restricted and out of my reach at the present, most likely due to my foreign nationality.

Good thing he doesn't shop at walmart... "excuse me sir can I also purchase ammunition here to go along with this fine shotgun you are recommending"

moron... If he'd have gotten his hands on a pistol and used it we'd still be trying to put our collective heads in the sand about what he represnts...

Sounds like a Muslim terrorist to me. WHERE IS THE MSM on this?

A case of Sudden Jihadi Syndrome. The problem is... when and where will it strike next?

Mcgyver, out

US troops out of North Carolina now!

Dear JustAVoter,

Re #54: I suppose your linguistic comments are correct, but I don't find them at all reassuring. The language that you identify as just proper Muslim-speak strikes me as overblown and obsessive for routine communications. My Christian and Jewish friends don't normally speak so commonly of their God, so at the risk sounding terribly gauche, what compels Muslims to act so obsessively about theirs?

The Moonbat administrators may believe their own propaganda, but I believe the student population suddenly discovered the truth about Islam and I think the non-existence of terrorism laws will prove little comfort to this Muslim hero. I'm guessing 25 years in the pen.

Would Yale still take him?

...just wondering...

Hey, al-Numnutz!

"mathematically encoded with the number 19 beyond human ability" in the Quran POINTS TO The Glory of God, Who says explicitly in The Book of Certitude AND in The Book of Laws: "Don't be an idiot! Don't kill people, and DO investigate reality with your own rational soul!"

#77 PJH
I entirely agree. The reason Muslims sound like lunatics is because they often are, not necessarily criminals, but surely guilty of harboring the sort of hatred, paranoia and obsessive behavior one does not find elsewhere.

/

The intent of this Azar may have been to get into prisin is the first place to recruit jihadis among the inmates. Pass them off to outside handlers at the time of their release.

/consp. theory off

# 77 PJH

Actually, for common, everyday stuff, they don't, Business reports, memos, etc. Big official stuff from the government, regardless of subject matter, usually does have some of that stuff stiched on the front and end.

He does write a nice letter, though.

#74 rayra.

Try [Link: www.packing.org...]

Nutjobs like this one are why persons of good moral character need to walk around armed.

If there is any silver lining to this cloud, somehow I don't think its going to be too hard to get a conviction here:

I am writing this letter to inform you of my reasons for premeditating and attempting to murder citizens and residents of the United States of America

How thoughful of him to take the time to explain things in such a clear and polite note. . .he probably thought he was going to die in the attempt.

"He was a nice boy, he used to cut the grass."

#80 rayra

This sura is regarded as the earliest one after Muhammad emigrated from Mecca to Medina in AD 622. Muhammad wants to be accepted by all peoples, so the two verses that Siddiqui quotes reflect this desire. But he fails to mention an unpleasant verse in Sura 9 (and there are many in this sura). Recall that this sura is the last one to be revealed, and many Muslims believe that it abrogates or cancels earlier verses that seem to promote “peace and love.” The unpleasant verse calls Muslim jihadists to wage war on Jews and Christians (People of the Book or Scripture) for theological reasons, not for any aggression on their part. The Quran in Sura 9:29 says:

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

Looks like Texas is going to lose to LSU in OT. Sorry Ed.

Whoops, I reponded to the first part of your letter before getting to the second!

See I told you all: Islam IS a religion of peace.

[Sarc/]

I guess its just Islam as usual. Nothing to see here folks move along...move along.

Not a damned thing in there about waiting until the 'end of days'

No need to worry, when Baha'u'llah fulfilled Jesus' prophecies, He ENDED 7,000 years of 'old world', with its social order based on rule/control by two groups: the kingly caste and the priesthoods; He established the equality of men and women; He explicitly made the one-ness of humankind the pivotal point round which all His teachings turn; and he took political power FROM the clergy and gave it 'to the people!'

Has anyone here ever gone to an American mosque during services? Do they let just anyone in?

Hopefully he will be sent to his beloved Allah in jail. That's what he deserves.

HOW 'BOUT DEM TIGERS!

Woo-Hoo!

#96 gonzo

Please be moderate in your exhuberance so as to not offend people who are not like-minded.

Thank you for your consideration.

#84 Mike C

Point taken. It was the letters to mom (see #54) that set me off ;->

Wow. Texas just layed down and died in OT.

#98 Mama Winger

All those Texas tears- it'll be floodin' down in Texas tonight...

#94 mama winger
I used to go into the mosque next to Arizona State University sometimes. It's unual for US mosques because it actually looks like a mosque with an onion dome and a prayer tower. It was no problem to walk in (remove shoes first) and look around. You might have more of a problem depending on gender segregation and head cover rules of a particular mosque.
When in doubt just ask. With the RoP's PR blitz I'm sure they'd be more than happy to show you around and make you feel welcome.

What's the surprise here? There is none.

Major targets are out of the question, or at least terribly difficult.

After 9/11 only reasonable, aware people could understand the targets of importance...soft targets. Perhaps I'm just ignorant, but I expect to see more of the same.

It has begun. And no one is watching, ready and aware enough to respond. They will occur where no one expects anything to happen...small towns, retreats from major metropolian areas.

/and all the political shitheads will take weeks to figure it out while people die.

Sorry to be glum, boys and girls.

But what the heck! When it happens, I'm gonna scream 'racism' and sue the Feds.

#102 gonzo

It is not for myself that I mourn - it is for fellows like Ed, who leads a sad and lonely life up there at the Antarctic weather station. He gets one channel - from Texas - and has grown quite fond of the team there. Now all he has left are his penguins and his shattered hoop dreams.

LSU! LSU! LSU!

Better than Allah.

#91 rayra:

The would-be killer Taheri-Azar was, it appears, neither Sunni nor Shi-ite: he most likely was associated with the schismatic Islamic sect
United Submitters International

...which was founded by Rashad Khalifa, whom devised the whole "number 19" numerology/Koran theory.

Khalifa prfesented himself as sort of an Islamic Martin Luther, and wanted to strip away the hadiths and other extraneous folk-beliefs in Islam, and focus exclusively on the Koran, was was repesented as inerrent and all-emcompassing.

His proof of this was the "19" theories explained in my comment #13 above.

For Taheri-Azar to have mentioned this in his note only leads one to believe that he must have been involved in this sect, since mainstream Sunnis and Shi'ites don't seem to care too much about the numerology of 19.

The only other possibility is that Taheri-Azar fell under the sway of the Nation of Islam, since Farrakhan is also obsessed with 19, but that seems highly unlikely since Azar was already a Muslim to begin with, and not black.

So, I submit that he was a follower of United Submitters International.

#103 Killgore Trout

I'm sure they'd be more than happy to show you around and make you feel welcome

There is an Albanian mosque a few miles away from me. One of the clients at the vet where I work goes there. He is scary as hell. Everyone in the office is afraid of him. His dog is mean too.

I think I'll stick with the Lutherans.

#86 Looking Closely:

Nutjobs like this one are why persons of good moral character need to walk around armed.

I couldn't agree more. Honest law abiding Americans bearing arms will be a deterrent to crime and some forms of terrorism. If this Islamofacist started shooting at a liberal place like UNC, where there are many victims of gun control, he could have continued shooting until he ran out of ammo or the police showed up.

One armed citizen could bring a situation like that to a quick end, saving many lives.

My fear however is that hypocritical pols like Chucky Schumer or Hillary or a host of other (mostly) Dems will now call for stricter gun control to "keep them away from terrorists". Those hypocrites have all the protection they need at taxpayer expense, but would impose victim disarmament on the rest of us.

I have never 19 seen this reference to things being 19 secretly 19 ..19 encoded the number, 19. I 19 wonder where he 19 got this from?

#111 Bubble Girl
I have never 19 seen this reference to things being 19 secretly 19 ..19 encoded the number, 19. I 19 wonder where he 19 got this from?

See comment #13 above.

I must thank the terrorist for pointing out a few things:

1.

However I made the decision to continue my studies and to graduate . . . so that the world will know that Allah’s servants are very intelligent.

And then by writing his letter and drving into people he instantly showed the world that he is an evil idiot who belong to the evil Isalm cult.

2.

. . . I have decided to take advantage of my presence on United States soil on Friday, March 3, 2006 to take the lives of as many Americans and American sympathizers as I can in order to punish the United States for their immoral actions around the world.

Wake up world! The fact that these Muslims are largely incompetent should not lull us into thinking that either planned sleeper cells or average Muslims can be trusted. If they are not trained to be radicals, they can instantly become dangerous by simply following the Quran. Even a monkey can kill people if it plays with a hand grenade long enough.

3.

In the Qur’an, Allah states that the believing men and women have permission to murder anyone responsible for the killing of other believing men and women.

NOTE: The Quran, Allah, and Mohammed all justify killing non-believers -- not just the ones who kill Muslims. Their cult justifies whatever they want to do to take over the world. A perfect brainwashing manual for developing an army that can be called up world-wide in a seething rage over as little as a cartoon.

#104 rayra 3/25/2006 04:09PM PST

#64 rcris5 3/25/2006 03:28PM PST
His sister says he would not harm a fly or a roach.
What if the fly or roach are jewish / kufr?

You always get right to the crux of the matter...

BubbleGirl19

And it's not your 19th nervous breakdown...

#110 Alone in NY

Those hypocrites have all the protection they need at taxpayer expense, but would impose victim disarmament on the rest of us.

They will never - ever- take my guns. We have some wacky gun laws in Wisconsin. Shhh Sometimes I even disobey them. (Don't tell.)

#70 rayra

Again, this terrorist was either in violation of the standing limited prohibitions on who may purchase a firearm in NC, or he was too paranoid to step up to the counter.

Or he didn't want to risk getting shot. Think about it. If he started shooting people, he'd be fair game for being shot. If he mows them down with a motor vehicle, they take him into custody, and he lives.

Oh my God.. Steely Dan wrote a song about 19!

Hey nineteen
No we got nothing in common
No we can’t talk at all
Please take me along
When you slide on down

The cuervo gold
The fine columbian
Make tonight a wonderful thing

No we can’t dance together
No we can’t talk at all

13 zombie

Thanks.. from your link..

Any reader of this book can easily verify the Quran's mathematical miracle. The word “God” (Allah) is written in bold capital letters throughout the text. The cumulative frequency of occurrence of the word “God” is noted at the bottom of each page in the left hand corner. The number in the right hand corner is the cumulative total of the numbers for verses containing the word “God.” The last page of the text, Page 372, shows that the total occurrence of the word “God” is 2698, or 19x142. The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word “God” is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217).

Nineteen is the common denominator throughout the Quran's mathematical system.

This phenomenon alone suffices as incontrovertible proof that the Quran is God's message to the world.

This begs the question..

did an Idiot Savant write the Quran?

#116 mama winger

I assume you are not one of the many Wisconsinites I see daily with a "Kerry - Edwards" bumper sticker.

Perhaps you are a safe distance from Madison.

MATHEMATICAL MIRACLE OF THE QURAN

6 + 1 + 8 + 4 = 19 = One

/math for retards Muslims

#10 genard :"As a jihadi he makes a good argument against the death penalty. Give him what he has earned...life imprisonment. Use isolation, cell padding and force feeding as required."
I'd make a slight alteration to that, give him a "cellie" who's bigger, horny, and a confirmed nio nazi type...

#120 Bubble Girl - Hi there Bubble Girl! Good to see ya back! Did you get my e-mail from last night?

It's been 19 years since LSU went to the Final Four.

#119 Bubble Girl
19th nervous breakdown

You were still in school
When you had that fool
Who really messed your mind.
And after that you turned your back
On treating people kind.
On our first trip
I tried so hard to rearrange your mind.
But after while I realized you were disarranging mine.

You better stop, look around
Here it comes, here it comes, here it comes, here it comes
Here comes your nine-teenth nervous breakdown.
Here comes your nine-teenth nervous breakdown
Here comes your nine-teenth nervous breakdown

BG -
Everything you ever wanted to know about 19, but were afraid to ask.

#120 Bubble Girl

Did an Idiot write the Koran? No - I think this guy did.

Some research:

19 Pesos = 1.75 USD
19 USD = 10.90 British Pounds
19 GPB = 3,890 Japanese Yen

I ate 19 cashews and drank 19 sips of beer while doing this research, it took exactly 19 minutes to complete this task.

Freaky!

The letter "S" is the 19th letter of the alphabet, and Satan starts with "S". This proves that Islam is a satanic cult!

125 realwest

Hi RW! I haven't looked at my email yet.. it's probably there!

#121 ProUSA

I assume you are not one of the many Wisconsinites I see daily with a "Kerry - Edwards" bumper sticker.

LOL! No - I'm safely a couple of hours awayfrom Madison. Still moonbatty around here tho.

The legal age for drinking used to be 19 in Idaho!

12 Killian

6 + 1 + 8 + 4 = 19 = One

/math for retards Muslims

LOL ~

Potassium is the 19th element on the periodic chart, and is a poison used to stop the heart. See? It's evil!

#126 JammieWearingFool 3/25/2006 04:23PM PST

It's been 19 years since LSU went to the Final Four

Jammie! If we look in the Quran we will find it there...

:D

129 mama winger

Is that one of those "Blasphemy" cartoons?

I like it!

I hope Allah (with the help of our criminal justice system) wills him to rot in jail for 12 or so concurrent life sentences

OT:

Just got back from Hebo Lake in the coast range. We caught 8 nice trout and called it a day. The grandson caught the first, most and biggest. They are being prepared for a viking pan funeral complete with flour shroud as I type this.

Mmmm trout!

/homer

It has been 19 years since 1987! Pretty scary no?

#137 Earth2moonbat 3/25/2006 04:30PM PST

Potassium is the 19th element on the periodic chart, and is a poison used to stop the heart. See? It's evil!

#131 Earth2moonbat 3/25/2006 04:27PM PST

The letter "S" is the 19th letter of the alphabet, and Satan starts with "S". This proves that Islam is a satanic cult!

#135 Orson Buggy 3/25/2006 04:29PM PST

The legal age for drinking used to be 19 in Idaho!

The proof is piling in.

In the Qur’an, Allah states that the believing men and women have permission to murder anyone responsible for the killing of other believing men and women.

In the US and the civilized world, the law states that no one has permission to take the law into their own hands. We have this thing called "due process".

Ironically, he'll reap all the benefits of due process while on trial for spitting on due process.

142 Orson

Is it an 19 inch trout?

#143 jrdroll 3/25/2006 04:32PM PST

It has been 19 years since 1987! Pretty scary no?

It just hits you right over the head.. it's crazy scary, man.

His parents must be so proud.
Will he choose Yale or Kennedy School of Government at Harvard?

The word “God” (Allah) is written in bold capital letters throughout the text. The cumulative frequency of occurrence of the word “God” is noted at the bottom of each page in the left hand corner. The number in the right hand corner is the cumulative total of the numbers for verses containing the word “God.” The last page of the text, Page 372, shows that the total occurrence of the word “God” is 2698, or 19x142. The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word “God” is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217).

Which also begs the question, does every edition/copy/translation of the Koran have the same number of pages and individual page content?

I'm not buying this crap.

/people who've taken too much acid come up with stuff like this all the time

#146 Bubble Girl

No, but there was a 10 incher and a 9 incher!

#140 FriarsTale 3/25/2006 04:31PM PST

I hope Allah (with the help of our criminal justice system) wills him to rot in jail for 12 or so concurrent life sentences

What would really be cool, he got a 19 year sentence, became Prisoner #19, was assigned to Cell Block 19, in Cell # 9 with 19 new boyfriends.

150 pimf

Cell # 19...

My encoder was off..

He actually makes the case against allowing Muslim students visas.

151 Bubble Girl

My encoder was off..

So when you put 19 into your secret Zionista encoder ring, what does it give you?

#142 Orson

I know that it seems to be sticky protocol here in LGF to issue OT private rescipes, but would you like me to post a very simple breading recipe for most fish, from trout to perch?

I am writing this letter to inform you of my reasons for premeditating and attempting to murder citizens and residents of the United States of America on Friday, March 3, 2006 in the city of Chapel Hill, North Carolina by running them over with my automobile and stabbing them with a knife if the opportunities are presented to me by Allah.

So his purpose was to attempt to kill, not to kill. This will be used by his defense in court.

Interesting.

153 E2M

So when you put 19 into your secret Zionista encoder ring, what does it give you?

A picture of you.

#155 Cartman

Knock yourself out dude.

In the category of senseless violence...

I was witness to the aftermath of a horrible massacre today in Seattle. This occured at a post-rave party at 7AM today, two blocks from my son's little league game. 6 teenage/twenty-somethings, kids basically, were killed in cold blood by another twenty-something partygoer, who then shot himself:

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

OK, I hear you say. Bad news; but how is this "LGF-type" bad news? Probably it isn't. But I noticed that one of the people at the scene (probably one of the escaped partygoers), had Arabic script on her sweatshirt. A local news channel posted a slideshow, and she was in it:

[Link: images.ibsys.com...]
[Link: images.ibsys.com...]

Probably unrelated, but I'm curious. Can anyone read Arabic?

In any case, one of the kids in the house was 15... don't know if she was a victim.

Love and care for your kids, folks. Its a weird and unforgiving world out there sometimes.

# 153 E2m

A dime, a nickel and 4 pennies ?

Orson Buggy

Of course, you know that Kilgore Trout is around.

With Lynn Stewart in jail and I wonder if Ramsey Clark will rush back from defending Saddam to defend this POS.

Some how I am sure they will spin this to be America's fault. They always do.

#162 Bubble Girl

He's safe as long as he avoids the PowerBait nuggets.

#123 Iron Fist

'ey,

We need to wake up and realise that while we aren't at War with Islam, Islam is at war with us.

This is so obvious that I can't understand how it is possible to ignore this, or see it any other way.

The only possible explaination is my long held belief that there are two distinct species of human beings on this planet. HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN, Man Thinking Thinking, and HOMO SAPIEN HUH?. The two are indistinguishable, until they speak, and the latter comprise the overwhelming majority of the population. Xin Loi.

#162 Bubble Girl

I'm sure Orson killed it in a very gory manner...

#157 Bubble Girl

So his purpose was to attempt to kill, not to kill. This will be used by his defense in court.

Yeah, well, unless they can pull off an insanity defense, there's way more than enough evidence to put him away for the full 150 or so years in prision he's facing.

/maybe the Judge can sentence him to 152 years, that way he'll have plenty of time to "do the math"

160 Dave Brown

Dave, this is horrific. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends of the victims. Hopefully the reason will be forthcoming. It could have been over drugs or a relationship gone bad.

Earlier this week a man shot to death a 15 fifteen year old boy for walking across his "perfect" lawn.

All I says is, it is a good thing that he studied what he studied - I think psych and philosophy. Just think about how he would not have had to worry about a weapon permit if he had studied any of the sciences - say microbiology or chemistry .. he could have just made his own WMD and unleashed it.

NC dodged a bullet with that mutha.

#169 rayra

You forgot perversion.

167 Killian

Perhaps we should start a bet. I think he will get less than 30 years, maximum.

Bubble Girl

Hey,

So how exactly does golf, and the 19th hole fit into all this?

#172 Bubble Girl

And be out in half of that.

He'll go to prison and make some converts. Friggin' lovely.

Trial, conviction and a bullet. That's the answer to this type of cultist insanity.

OT
I need one more book at Amazon for free shipping and I noticed rayra quoting the Koran so I started looking for some translations or guides. Seems to be a ton. Any recommendations from LGF?

165 M Bensson-Levi

HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN, Man Thinking Thinking, and HOMO SAPIEN HUH?. The two are indistinguishable, until they speak, and the latter comprise the overwhelming majority of the population. Xin Loi.

Hi Benny!

Or one could be man, the other woman. I know which is which.

#173 M. Bensson-Levi 3/25/2006 04:54PM PST

Bubble Girl
Hey,
So how exactly does golf, and the 19th hole fit into all this?

Benny! I don't know...

So why don't the martyrs homicidal maniacs get 76 virgins raisins, huh?

/oops, a little flaw in the old Koran numerology there!

here is a riveting OT...have you ever seen an airplane BREAK THE SOUND BARRIER?

It's wild.

I am off to see daughter #2 play Hudel in the school play, Fiddler on the Roof.
latuh

177 Bubble Girl

Or one could be man, the other woman. I know which is which.

That wasn't very nice.

#160 Dave Brown
Just a guess but I'd bet it's a stylized script of Allahu Akbar

الله أَكْبَر

just a guess

Fun with numbers.

19 and the pentagon
The number nineteen also plays a unique role in the measure of the pentagon... the diagonal of the pentagon has the remarkable property of being the geometric mean between the diameters of the circumscribing circle and the height of the pentagon. These numerical relationships which approach those of the Pharaonic canon of 18 and 19, are as follows:
diameter/diagonal=20/19.021=diagonal/height=19.021 /18.092=1.051

The number 19 is significant to the Baha'i, whose calendar is 19 months of 19 days each. The Bahai also attribute significance to the number 95, which is 19 x 5. Coincidentally, the EarthStar western North America map actually has 95 points; the 19 'main' points, the points of the 19 triangles, the 19 'half-way' points on the inner ring, and the 38 points on the middle ring.

#177 Bubble Girl

Or one could be man, the other woman. I know which is which.

Huh?

#159 Orson

Real simple diddy we got from a Lake Erie charter skipper last time we went walleye fishing. Basic ingredients for breading: eggs, milk, sugar and Keebler Club Crackers. He was insistent upon the Club Crackers. He was right! Select number of eggs to reflect your catch. Ballpark would be a dozen. Beat eggs in a large bowl with a teaspoon of sugar and a proportionate amount of milk. Sort of like doing Fwench Toast. Dip fishies in that and roll in finely crushed Club Crackers. Works for fried, baked or grilled in foil. It's awesome!

Hey nineteen
No we got nothing in common
No we can’t talk at all
Please take me along
When you slide on down.

The cuervo gold,
The fine columbian,
Make tonight a wonderful thing..

I know that Steely Dan is a legitimate and authoritative musical scripture since it is completely validated by modern science and also mathematically encoded the number 19 into a song title beyond human ability.

We're a minute into halftime of the UCLA game.

Meaning of course, it's 19 minutes until the second half begins.

Coincidence?

I can not for the life of me decide:

Does Islam make people nutty?

Or

Does Islam attract nutty people?

#172 Bubble Girl

Perhaps we should start a bet. I think he will get less than 30 years, maximum.

I don't know, this nutcase is boasting about it and showing absolutely no remorse. This is a case that deserves a maximum sentence if there ever was one, especially if it ends up going to trial.

I wonder if his public defenders will be able to convince him to take a plea deal? Probably not and one might not be offered anyway, given the facts.

/he has to get at least 38 years, the Koran mandates it!

A couple of comments. First the politically correct media is keeping this story strictly low-profile. Even with a suicide note that details his Islamist reasoning behind the attack, this story is bound for the back pages, like Fujallah, Sadaams trial, 911 images, anything that provides substance to the war on terror is suppressed while stories like "illegal immigrants rights", gay marriage, affirmative action, welfare, global warming, ANWAR, mad cows disease, election disenfrachisement, and any other issue a liberal can think of is headline news. The other comment is we need to start questioning how this guy became motivated to kill his infidel classmates. Did he do this on his own, or did he recieve "motivational counseling" from the local mosque or the Muslim student association? My guess is that this guy was acting on his own due to the sloppy execution of the crime. I would be interested in any associations he had with groups or organisations.

#144 Bubble Girl

#137 Earth2moonbat 3/25/2006 04:30PM PST

Potassium is the 19th element on the periodic chart, and is a poison used to stop the heart. See? It's evil!

#131 Earth2moonbat 3/25/2006 04:27PM PST

The letter "S" is the 19th letter of the alphabet, and Satan starts with "S". This proves that Islam is a satanic cult!

#135 Orson Buggy 3/25/2006 04:29PM PST

The legal age for drinking used to be 19 in Idaho!

The proof is piling in.

More proof - you can't score a 19 in crib.

#186 M. Bensson-Levi - Hi guy! Hey, the NC meet-up should be going along famously by now and I thought they were gonna live blog?
Place was WiFi and somebody's still looking for someplace to plug something into, maybe? LOL!

Montreal 3 Toronto 1 on HNIC. 19 minutes to go in the 2nd.

#176 lowslow

Onward Muslim Soldiers: How Jihad Still Threatens America and the West ROBERT SPENCER

The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War And The Fate of Non-Muslims

by Andrew G Bostom

#187 Cartman

I'm going to try that recipe. The local market has rainbow trout on sale, and I was going to pick some up tomorrow. Now I'll add Keebler Crackers to my list as well. Thanks.

#192 howyadoin

I can not for the life of me decide:

Does Islam make people nutty?

Or

Does Islam attract nutty people?

They don't seem like mutually exclusive options, so I think the answer is: C- Both.

#167 Killian Bundy

/maybe the Judge can sentence him to 152 years, that way he'll have plenty of time to "do the math"

I'm thinkin' justice would be 199 years. 1+9+9=19, in keeping with the #19 theme.

#117 rayra 3/25/2006 04:18PM PST

#69 Exelwood 3/25/2006 03:33PM PST
This clown's actions remind us how rarely the US Muslim population does this sort of thing. Can you imagine thousands of "yutes" burning cars in the streets of America for weeks on end? I wonder how nervous "rational" Muslims around the world are becoming?

'nothing to see here, move along.'

Look, last I read there were some 240+ "American" muslims under indictment or being prosecuted for jihad-related activities. We have muslim-related murders, "honor" crimes, and small acts of terrorism being committed on a semi-monthly basis. It's TOO much no matter how many or few. It only took 19 to pull off the events of 9/11.
Moussaoui is going to get a reduced penalty for a symp lawyer's gaff.
Malvo and Mohammed (DC Snipers) are still clogging various states' court systems.
The Lodi jihaidsts appear to be heading for a technical loophole.
CAIR jihadists trying to sue people into silence (and losing, finally)

We've got a serious problem with strict followers of the Koran, within America. Their beliefs are antithetical to our culture. They need to be removed from it. Every single one that mumbles 'Death to America', attends a mosque where such is preached, sends monies to Hamas et al, or their son back to teh 'old country' for jihad training, every single one that agitates for Sharia law.
Deport them.
The Sad Irony is that the only muslims that would be left in America would be defacto apostates, according to any moderne Imam.

Well, thanks for proving my point. Statistically, radical Muslim activity in the US is miniscule compared to other regions. If you think the activity in the US is anywhere near the activity in a pisant country the size of France or even the Netherlands, you are mistaken.

You can ship them all back to the ME for all I care but don't lose perspective in your blood lust to save America from the invading hordes. Lighten up dude.

Did you know the square root of 361 is 19?

If he had used a firearm or an explosive device the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT could step in on this case. It is a Federal offense to have a firearm or explosive device on the campus of a federally funded (no matter how small) school or college.
IMHO: He should be incarcerated and put in protective lock down 23.5 hrs. per day. For his own personal protection of course !

#201 Bordm - I like the way you do math! Although, I think a firing squad of 1 officer and 18 troops would be much better.

Not off topic, but...

someone earlier mentioned this crap-sack going to Federal Butt Pounding Prison. No worries, mate!

He's going to Old North State Butt pounding prison. He's going to make an "intelligent and educated" wife for some lonesome NC inmate.

"Are you lonesome tonight?"
Elvis Aaron Presley

181 Rayra

Yes, Mighty Rayra... you usually are the "Crux of the Matter."

:D

#175 Jheka

He'll go to prison and make some converts. Friggin' lovely.

Trial, conviction and a bullet. That's the answer to this type of cultist insanity

well how about this (courtesy "Silverado"):

Cobb: We're gonna give you a fair trial, followed by a first class hanging.

He should be made to wear 19 pairs of panties on his head.

#186 M. Bensson-Levi 3/25/2006 05:03PM PST

#177 Bubble Girl

Or one could be man, the other woman. I know which is which.

Huh

?

LOL ~ You pretty smart, Homo Sapien HuH...

#199 Mama Winger

Don't forget - they must be Club crackers by Keebler! ;)

#212 Cartman

check. :)

#188 mich-again 3/25/2006 05:04PM PST

Hey nineteen
No we got nothing in common
No we can’t talk at all
Please take me along
When you slide on down.
The cuervo gold,
The fine columbian,
Make tonight a wonderful thing..

I know that Steely Dan is a legitimate and authoritative musical scripture since it is completely validated by modern science and also mathematically encoded the number 19 into a song title beyond human ability.

The things you learn on LGF...

off to listen to Nineteen Inch Nails..

Hope Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar enjoys the delicious, down-eastern pulled pork. Might be on the menu, and his new husband might insist on some "pulled-pork" along with nice hushpuppies.

We take our "pig-pickens" very seriously in NC. Mustard-based is barbeque, anything catsup-based is just grillin' out.

Enjoy some more Pork, Mohammed!

#198 jrdroll
Thanks, I was looking for an understandable translation of the Koran but I went with Spencers new book instead.

Bordm

Hi Bordm!

Raises an Abita Purple Haze in your direction...

And it's now been 3 hours and nineteen minutes since Charles posted this thread!
Does that mean a new thread is gonna be here within
nineteen minutes?

lowandslow

Hi Low...

Good to see you..

Enjoy that Spencer book.

WHOA! Even if the Rolex I bought from the guy on the street (whadda dummy, sold me a gold Rolex for only $40.00) is a minute fast, voila, another thread magically appears!

#196 realwest

Say hey,

How you doin'? Read where you, and an ex tried to eat your way through Little Italy once. Suicidal. Was in Ferrara's(hope my spelling is close)Bakery on wee am, with a bunch of lunatics when Joey Gallo(I learned) came in with some of the boys. Talk about "prefferential treatment."
He wasn't called "Crazy Joey"for nothing. Even at Ferrara's they were leary of him.
Ferrara's, World standard Italian bakery!
I sure miss being young, and running with the pack.Never knew where you were gonna' wind up.

Hey Bubbles,

Thanks rayra.

Rayra, et. al., those who would accuse me of being a member of CAIR

Actually, I'm a student studying Arabic in order to obtain a security-related position with the U.S. Government.

Any average Muslim - including the many who work for the US military and various intelligence agencies - would be expected to use such tereminology in his or her everyday speech. The argument that a vast majority of Christians or those of other faiths do not invoke such things is pointless, as a) it doesn't matter to the facts at hand and b) is factually incorrect in some instances, as many Latin American Catholics can be heard to say "si Dios quiere" (if God wants) about nearly anything that will happen in the future. (I'm going to go out on a limb here and hope Spanish isn't another one of those languages I shouldn't study or speak)

I'm of the opinion that it's important to separate what a murderous lunatic like this kid would say and what any Muslim you bump into on the street would say. Know your enemies, know your friends (and know who couldn't care less about it).

If you have a problem with U.S. citizens learning foreign languages vital to national security, then perhaps you're the greater risk to this nation.

Hence the saying: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

Start with the enemy's language and then go on. If you're too blind to see that, then I can feel little more than pity for you. You'd have the U.S. fight with one hand tied behind its back.

Were you guys aware that 1 and 9 are the 37th and 38th significant digits to the right of the decimal in Pi?

A coincidence? I don't think so!

/sarc

In case it hasn't been mentioned yet, in NC you need to get a handgun purchase permit from the County Sheriff. Last time I got five permits for five individual handgun purchases - other than having to go in person, not overly restrictive.

My guess is the shiite head didn't have the balls to walk into the cop shop, or more likely wouldn't accept the gun dealer explanation that he had to get a permit from the sheriff to buy a handgun (hence his 'feeling' discriminated against). If he was rejected the local sheriff would have the record.

FBI should track down his Iman - I am not an expert, but the clerics run the war and it would not be good for his family if he acted w/o permission.

#206 realwest

I think a firing squad of 1 officer and 18 troops would be much better.

No use letting the POS go out thinking he's some kinda martyr. I say put him in general population so he can spend the rest of his miserable life contemplating the dreaded #19, as he gets bent over 19 times a day.

In the name of Allah, the merciful, the compassionate.
[snip]

Open Letter to Hirshi Ali

In the name of Allah the kind, the merciful.
Peace and blessings upon the Emir of the Mujahideen, the laughing killer Mohammed Rasoulou Allah (Sala Allaho alaihie wa Sallam), his family and companions and those who follow him truthfully till the day of judgment.

There is no aggression except against the aggressors.
[snip]

See, this letter is NOTHING like the one pinned to Theo Van Gogh.
/sarcasm tag for the El-cubos

Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar is just yet another misguided “slave” of allah who visions himself as a soldier in the cause, which is little more than an exercise in deceit, hatred, and murder. All armies have their share of inept soldiers, but jihad seems to have a greater percentage of them. Good thing for the rest of us. And his targets seem to have suffered no permanent physical damage, so that’s a good thing, too.

Since 9/11 I’ve made it a point to find out more about islam. I’ve had almost five years now to do that as there have been no major attacks by these soldiers to put out my lights. That’s a good thing too, because before that, I didn’t know how corrupt and devious a religion islam really was. Now I’ve had almost five years to figure that out. Stupid move on the part of the inept jihadis to allow those of us who were ignorant of the danger to become more aware; good thing for me that I’m better prepared to understand their deceit.

My late mother used to say when I was just a little kid that “murder will out” and “a lie will betray itself”. I didn’t know then what she meant, but I sure do now. The lie that is islam is betraying itself everyday. Maybe our Yuro friends are scared for their lives, but for me, I’m better off now and I’ll be dipped in sh*t and rolled in cracker crumbs before I let islam get to me in the good ol’ USA.

So do as Grandma does, have a nice day and tell your friends.

My favorite 19:

[Link: www.freepatriot.com...]

If you've never tried one, you ought to!

#217 Bubble Girl

Hi ya BG!

{ { {Bubble Girl} } }

/Hoists Singapore Sling in salute.

I hope all is well with you, my friend!

#225 justavoter

Actually, I'm a student studying Arabic in order to obtain a security-related position with the U.S. Government.

If that is indeed the case, a noble pursuit. Our intel has opined again and again about the lack of Arabic translators and analysts. I think what's being pointed out here is that more and more frequently, the linguistic nuances seem to matter little. It's the blatant message that's objectionable and disdained. Doesn't take a linguist to figure that out, does it?

179 rayra:

It's even worse than that - all our Universities are 'Gun Free Zones'.

I agree and that is exactly what I meant. A gun wielding terrorist in a 'gun free zone' will keep shooting until they run out of ammo most likely. Gun control is just another name for victim disarmament. Criminals and terrorists won't leave their weapons at home just 'cause there is another law against weapons. They are already violating laws in committing their acts. The whole premise of gun control is ludicrous.

#237 Rayra...

I'm seriously wondering when the LLL in Chapel Hill will begin vigils for Mo?

Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar will become a UNC-Chapel Hill celebrity for Islamist-Studies types before all is said and done.

Wait and see. Sooner or later, it will happen.

Unless he falls in love as a guest of the state, of course.

The whole premise of gun control is ludicrous.

I agree, but in this case, this lunatic just endorsed the practice by claiming it stopped him from getting a gun (though probably falsely).

Rayra,

And there are only a few words I can think of for you:

Ignorantly blind
Willfully blind
Actively concealing

Ignorantly blind because you don't know anything.

Willfully blind because you refuse to learn anything.

Actively concealing because you would actually fight against those attempting to learn the ways of the enemy for use against them.

What a stupid point of view. Obviously, the study of Arabic is pointless. It's not as if the government wants Arabic speakers at all

If you want to send the US to war with spitballs when it comes to linguistics, be my guest. Continue flailing about in your willfully ignorant state - you're about as effective as your average Kos Kiddo when it comes to promoting what's good for national security.

Wake up, Rayra. Arabic's a needed skill these days.

I'm frustrated by the obvious conclusion that I won't see this letter in my local newspaper. I am morbidly curious to see how the people who say "anyone who speaks against Islam in any way is over-reactive and ignorant" will stick their collective heads in the sand over this one. I will be denied that bit of entertainment.

Quick stupid math test. If it takes you more than 5 seconds you fail.

How many games are played in the 64-team NCAA tournament each year, (not counting the play-in game for the 64th spot.)

241 Looking Closely:

I agree, but in this case, this lunatic just endorsed the practice by claiming it stopped him from getting a gun (though probably falsely).

The fact that one terrorist was stopped by a gun control statute is no reason to disarm all law abiding citizens. The next time one will get through, and if everyone else is disarmed many will die needlessly.

We need to make our politicians understand very plainly that we law abiding American citizens demand the right to defend ourselves (the government certainly can't be trusted to do it for us), and that begins with the Second Amendment.

Don't kid yourself, it could happen here.

Rayra

As literacy does not appear to be your strong point...

From original post:

Everything else the kid wrote is typical terrorist stupidity that shouldn't be confused with something any sane person would write. But many things a typical Muslim would write can come across as extremist or downright nutty to your average American reader. A basic understanding of Arabic helps clear up the typical statements of anyone off the street with those of a lunatic like this.

So, in other words, I wasn't addressing the other things he wrote.

How, precisely, can I obfuscate something that is on the MAIN PAGE. My post was dedicated to linguistic notes. Obviously, in your mind, anyone that attempts to learn or explain anything about the Arabic language is a member of CAIR.

Let's take a look at your original response, shall we?

#54 JustAVoter 3/25/2006 03:19PM PST
...Everything else the kid wrote is typical terrorist stupidity that shouldn't be confused with something any sane person would write. But many things a typical Muslim would write can come across as extremist or downright nutty to your average American reader. A basic understanding of Arabic helps clear up the typical statements of anyone off the street with those of a lunatic like this.

Thanks for reinforcing the point that being muslim EXCLUDES being an American,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

I realize this is inconvenient, but sadly, nope. Like the 2nd amendment? You'll need to keep the 1st around as well.

even while you attempt to explain away his acts of attempted murder in the name of Allah as those of a 'lone lunatic'.

Nowhere in my original post did I say 'lone lunatic'. I referred to the nutjob that did the attack as a 'lunatic', yes, but nowhere did I imply a number. So, you've misquoted and misrepresented what I said. As a matter of fact, there are a WHOLE HELL OF A LOT OF 'EM out there. That's why I'm learning Arabic. You're attacking windmills, genius.

As far as attempting to "explain away his acts", the only comments I had regarding his acts were that a) he needed to at least be locked away for life and b) he was a nutjob. Period. How, precisely, that was attempting to "explain away" a terrorist attack is beyond me, and it's becoming more obvious you didn't bother to actually read the original post.

Which regional CAIR office do you belong to, Mr JustAVoter?

None. CAIR is an organization that supports terrorism, period. I am learning Arabic to fight terrorism. Know your enemy. Not all Arabic speakers are your enemy.

If you truly want to remain willfully ignorant of your enemy and his language, so be it.

#243 rayra

There's a blurb onteh packing.org site about CCW permit holders being able to bypass that permit process, check it out.

I saw that on another web page - [Link: www.ncrpa.org...]

Interesting that the sheriff's permit is a jim crow relic.

Its easy. 63 games total in the NCAA. Only one of the 64 never loses a game.

Mich-Again, sorry to get off topic

What kind of car does Coach Jim Tressel own?

Lloyd Carr of course.

Go Bucks!

A while back Charles posted about a site named Orkut that elgoog owns, where islamic supremacists run communities where they praise terrorists.

I have been a member of Orkut for a few years. I really only participate in a community called "Iranians". There are over twenty thousand Iranians in the community.

Whenever I see a story about Iran I post it there. I just posted this letter with the following (very long) comment.

"What made me sad after I read this letter, was that I quickly thought of one or two people here who would be very happy with the content of this letter.

I know this mentally challenged boy does not represent most Iranians. I know Iranians should not be judged by the actions of this boy. I know he does not speak for the vast majority of Iranians here at Orkut.

But I also that there are many millions of Iranians and many millions of Muslims world wide who are represented by this deranged boy. Judging by the words and ideas of the current Iranian government, I know this boys actions made them very proud. I would not be suprised if somewhere in Iran a monument is built honoring him. Or if some official decree is signed to honor him.

Even in America there are many who will respect and honor his decision to attack and murder innocents for Allah.

I often say Islam is an illness, like a cancer, which overtakes and destroys some of those who "Submit" to it.

Many Muslims are very deeply offended when I say this. I understand why they are offended. To them, Islam is a religion of peace. They practice Islam peacefully and would never condone such behaviour as this boy and all of the Jihadis around the world. I understand this. And when I say Islam is an illness, a cancer, I speak of all of those who condone and support terror and murder in the name of Allah.

Peaceful Muslims say the Islamic Supremacist Terrorists do not know Real Islam. The terrorists say those who do not follow their way are not real Muslims. Obviously Islam has different branches. Obviously both of these branches DO represent Islam. It is reality, it is what it is. For me to accept only one side is real Islam, and not the other, is to deny the reality of Islam.

Peaceful Muslims say it is wrong to attack and kill Islamic terrorists. Islamic terrorists believe it is acceptable to murder innocent Muslims and non Muslims, in the name of Allah.

Only peaceful Muslims can save Islam. That is truth.

If peaceful Muslims continue to deny this truth, the extremists will continue to define for all non Muslims, what Islam really is. The Islamic Supremacists are the ones acting on their beliefs on the world stage. Peaceful Muslims continue to step away from the terrorists and try to prove they are not followers of real Islam.

If peaceful Muslims do not begin to act against the terrorists in Islam, only Islam in the worlds eyes and hearts will suffer. The only thing the west can do to stop the terrorists of Islam is to kill them. All over the world we have dedicated our lives to killing them. The war by the west against Islamic Supremacists has not even started if one considers the amount of time it will take to find and kill all of them.

Peaceful Msulims say it is the wests job to create opportunities for the poor, easy radicalized Muslims of the world, so that the breeding grounds for them will no longer be available. I believe that idea is terribly wrong. I believe it is the job of peaceful Muslims confront the extremists among them. It is their job to create opportunities for the poor and easily brainwashed among them.

So, soon it will happen that western governments will destroy the government of Irans nuclear ambitions. It is necesary because peaceful Iranians, Muslim or not, will not remove the cavemen who rule them from power, and erase the guardian council from Iran's constitution, and free Iran from the illness that sickens all of them."

(continued)

In golf the 19th hole is the clubhouse bar

Ah, an oasis in the desert of insanity.

"I support the wests war against Islamic Supremacists where ever they threaten their neighbors or the west.

Hate me if you want, but the west cannot fix this problem any other way. Hate my definition of much of Islam as an illness, a cancer, if you want. The proof I am right is clear and I did not fabricate it.

When President Bush said to the world, you are either with us or against us, people laughed and said he was an idiot. But if there is one group who should have taken his messageto heart, but have not, it is peaceful Muslims.

Peaceful Muslims can either save Islam, or they are complicit in the wests destruction of Islam.

Peaceful Muslims can either remove the Islamic Supremacists overwhelming strength and action to define Islam, to the world. Or they can work together to take the lead and be the ones who define Islam, as a religion of peace, which whether you agree or not, Islam is not.

For a peaceful Muslim to insist that Islam is a religion of peace, while what they mean is that the quiet socially inactive Islam they practice is peaceful, while the majority of socially active Muslims are supremacists, peaceful Muslims are in denial.

In your homes and neighborhoods and Mosques and governments, you must begin to define Islam as a peaceful belief system by removing and disallowing the Supremacists to lead Islam.

For as long as peaceful Muslims sit on their hands and argue with the west that the supremacists are a minority, but do nothing active to stop the supremaicts among them, the west and a vast majority of non muslims will continue to do the only thing that is rational, believe it is the supremacist leaders of Islam who define what Islam is."

Rayra

Which languages, precisely, do you speak?

I spean Spanish (FSI 3+) and French (FSI 2+), I've recently started Arabic (presently no more than FSI 1, should be 1+, 2- by end of the summer). French I mostly learned to use in conjunction with Arabic in North Africa, not with our frog-eating "friends" to the north.

And what translation experience, precisely, do you have?

It's not "dismissing evidence", it's a fact. By ignoring the fact and attacking it ignorantly, you're dismissing evidence.

Don't believe me? Look it up:

Basmala

Insha Allah

Abd

(Note - I worte "Abdul", which is essentially the same, only it contains the "the" from the name of God that generally follows it rather than attaching "the" to the next word... something of an error)

Whatever...

Obviously, my ability to speak the English language is lacking.

254 BulgarWheat

Jokes on the Buckeyes. AJ Hawk is gonna look great in a Lion's uniform this Fall.

And you heard it here first, watch out for the Warren Harding High School baseball team this spring. My pick for State Champs.

#254 Mich-again.

AJ as a Lion? Could happen, think Chris Speilman ended up there too.

Most likely move is that Greenbay picks up AJ, at least according to the boards (typically wrong).

#247, rayra,

Back in the late 1950’s my high school began a class to teach the Russian language (amazing isn’t it, considering my kids still think we wrote on clay tablets back then). There weren’t many takers, and I wasn’t one. But the realization was that during the Cold War it was a good idea to learn and know the language of those who were considered the enemy then. Maybe that’s all JustAVoter is trying to say, but in a rather contentious way, and becoming more contentious with each comment.

If JustAVoter wants to pursue learning Arabic and can use his/her new talents to provide some insight into the translation of our new enemy’s documents and media speeches without the bias of being a muslim-in-training or a jihadist, I’ll give him/her the benefit of the doubt. Maybe a short course in diplomacy on LGF would be a bonus, too.

The Lion's first option was Bobby Buchet, until he scored 0 on the Wunderlic test. But that one answer he gave for why he thinks alligators are ornery is a all-time classic..

My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.

Terrorism- How much plainer can he make it? Send him off to gitmo.

#263

In my defense, I merely posted a quick linguistic analysis of a few sayings commonly used in Arabic that may be difficult for someone who doesn't speak Arabic to understand (see #54).

It was Rayra who misquoted me and accused me of being a member of CAIR.

If someone needs lessons in etiquette and diplomacy, I'd say it's Rayra. Not everything I said was polite, but I certainly did not cast the first stone.

Wasn't there a song "19 Red Balloons"?

What a Ka Winky Dink!

#257 justdanny

How many times was the word "peaceful" used in your post? With all due respect (and I know I'm beating a dead horse) I just don't see it. There has been thus far presented no tangible evidence, other than veiled rhetoric, that this is by and large a "peaceful" faith. The possibility that "peaceful" adherents exist is increasingly becoming a moot point. Western societies cannot continue to sit back on their own hands, so to speak, and wait for the miracle. Time is running out. The so-called "good, peaceful Muslims" had best rise up and take their chances. The situation festers like an ugly boil, and very few within the opposite camp are speaking out. Some may call it fear, I call it submission. I personally don't hold much stock in a change of heart, anytime soon.

When I read this letter it was so weird I thought it was from the Onion! This is one strange individual. I could comprehend willing blindness from a "Palestinian" who was raised from his mother's teet on murder and "Jihad TV" 24/7, but this guy was raised in the U.S. and supposedly was smart enough to go to UNC. Guess it doesn't reflect well on UNC's academics, eh?

It reminds me of what Jesus told the disciples:
"In fact a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God"... John 16:2.

#267 Thin blue line - the song was "99 red balloons" from the German song of the same name ("Nuen-zehn neun rot luft ballon") - not "19 red balloons".

Peaceful?

Why then in the Koran are there 164 references to Jihad, yet only 5 speak of justification for such.

Let's be honest it is either convert, slavery or death! No peace here!

Dress this guy in orange ASAP! American's are waking up!

263 Grandma

On that point, I always wonder when I watch a foreigner speak through a translator why 20 seconds of Chinese, German, Spanish or Russian jibberish always seems to translate into one short sentence in English. If thats really the case, I'd like to listen to a Chinese translator trying to follow along with James Carville.

Thank you for the clarity!

#268 Cartman

I personally know quite a few "Muslims" who are as meek as a butterfly. They would never hurt anyone or anything. I know it is hard for most people to believe.

I have spent a few years seeking out and speaking with hundreds of Muslims, if not more. It has been my passion for a long time (it seems) now to find muslims living in the Middle East and Asia, and learn from them the truth of their lives and cultures.

I see the same news you do. I know the same stories and facts. I just took it all a big step farther and decided to learn about the facts on the ground in Islam, from those living it.

If you read my (way too big) post, you'll see that I'm pleading with them to take down the Supremacists among them. And you will also see that I blame the peaceful Muslims for allowing the supremacists to define for the world what Islam is.

JustAVoter,

All the German America needed to know it learned on December 7th, 1941.

Don't loose sight of the forest for the trees.

Not only are their peaceful Muslims. There are also Atheist Muslims.

"Muslim" in many places has zero to do with Islam and its Allah and Qu'ran.

In many places and with many people it is like a cultural self identifier. Their culture is a Muslim culture, so they self identify as Muslim.

#274 Just Danny...A history lesson on peace!

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

—Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

#275

Tell that to the OSS and Bletchley Park.

Clarifying the use of a few phrases has nothing to do with failing to see the forest for the trees.

#269 ansar-al-kufir

Im no fan of UNC, but you must know there are absolutly brilliant madmen all over this world.

The single most despicable human I know of, that hitler dude, did you ever see any of his drawings? They were amazing. He had an amazing talent for drawing.

To believe that all madmen are automatically idiots is dangerous.

Honestly, some of the most ignorant people on this planet have multiple degrees in hard sciences.

Evil does not = ignorant. Evil is ignorant and ignorance can be evil. But evil and some kind of brilliance have never been mutually exclusive.

#270 ansar-al-kufir

the song was "99 red balloons" from the German song of the same name ("Nuen-zehn neun rot luft ballon") - not "19 red balloons

'99 Red Balloons' Video to Air for an Hour

The music video presentation, to air Sunday (2 p.m. EST), caps off the cable channel's "Pay to Play for Hurricane Katrina Relief," which raised over $200,000 for Mercy Corps, a humanitarian relief organization.

Viewers could request one video to be played on VH1 Classic for every $25 donation. For a $35,000 donation, they could select an hour's worth of music videos from the 1960s through the early 1990s.

However, one viewer chose something different for his allotted hour, requesting continuous playing of "99 Luftballons," said VH1 spokeswoman Maura Wozniak.

/in less than 19 hours

#274 justdanny

I have spent a few years seeking out and speaking with hundreds of Muslims, if not more. It has been my passion for a long time (it seems) now to find muslims living in the Middle East and Asia, and learn from them the truth of their lives and cultures.

This question is not intended as confrontational. It is merely out of curiousity. Where has this fascination with this culture/religion/dogma/cult been fostered, within your own personal experiences? You certainly don't have to answer that query, but that in and of itself fascinates me. Just thought I'd give it a shot.

#271 Thin blue line

Let's be honest it is either convert, slavery or death! No peace here!

Except that, now that they've put themselves squarely on the Western radar screen, they've been losing ground ever since.

We're winning big time. Iran is next.

/they will never achieve the Caliphate, eventually the global Jihad will be forced back under its rock where it was thirty years ago

#266 JustAVoter 3/25/2006 06:34PM PST

methinks you protest to much !...

It was Rayra who misquoted me and accused me of being a member of CAIR.

If someone needs lessons in etiquette and diplomacy, I'd say it's Rayra. Not everything I said was polite, but I certainly did not cast the first stone.

I read 'the rayra' posts and yours, and while rayra is blunt, ner a misquote exists. However I see you misquoting him, He posited a question which you turned to allegation (his rhetorical twist not-with-standing) without addressing the question posed to you at all: To whit,

But many things a typical Muslim would write can come across as extremist or downright nutty to your average American reader.A basic understanding of Arabic helps clear up the typical statements of anyone off the street with those of a lunatic like this.