Indeed it is...

Islamic Thinkers Society

Are they in any way related to the flat Earth society?

Yeah, back atcha, goatf***ers.

We will not accept the United Nations, they are the criminals themselves

Who does, then?

uh-huh.

...In the words of the Prophet TFK:

clop,,,clop,,,clop,,,clop
come the four horsie-men of the apple cop palace

Another mushroom cloud, right in the midst of Israel!

So I guess they really don't want "their land" back?

Morons.

I'm sure it just translated badly. I'll bet in English it says something completely different. You know, like "we love everyone, let's be friends..."

Let more of them in...it's a religion of peace!

Good grief. In my hometown. Less than five years after they cause our city unimaginable death and suffering, Islamists have the nerve to raise their voices in our streets. And we do nothing.

"Islamic Thinkers...?"

Wow. Talk about two words that should never be used in the same sentence.

Israeli Zionists, What do you say?
How many women have you raped today?
Israeli Zionists, What do you say?
How many children have you killed today?

I swear I've heard this before...same chant, different words. But where?
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Oh yeah...every LLL protest I've ever seen!

If there was only someway we could have predicted this….

I bet a buck I'll here that statement within the next 20 years, after a particularly nasty attack.

#8: ScottG

I'm sure it just translated badly. I'll bet in English it says something completely different. You know, like "we love everyone, let's be friends..."

Reminds me of "Mars Attacks!"

I'm having trouble deciphering this deeply nuanced call for mutual understanding and multicultural tolerance.

When will the liberal left wake up and realize these monsters mean what they say and cannot be "negotiated" with? Islam is a blight on humanity.

We will not accept the United Nations
They get paid by the Israeli and the US government to do their job

and yet many in the US feel we are not getting our money's worth.

Nope, this isn't a Holy War, it's just a bunch of Islamic "moderates" who want the rest of the world's population of kneel or die before them for their prophet.

/move along, nothing to see here

And silence from the MSM. This is a front page story.

I'm with number 3 on this. Run them down, grandpa, and hurry.

It gets better, more from Emerson's article:

"We, the Muslims of Islamic Thinkers Society condemn the arrests of the sincere Muslim Da’ees (activists) in UK. We condemn the house raids of Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, Anjem Choudary (Ex-Leader of Al-Muhajiroun UK), Abdel Rahman Saleem (Muslim Youth Organisation), Umran Javed (Followers of Ahl Us Sunnah Wal Jama'ah), Abdul Muhid (Al-Ghurabaa), and Omar Zaheer (Muslims in the UK). The raids, which violated the honor of the women of the household when the police entered at 2am is something we will not tolerate and stay silent about."

Now they're really mad...

OT: MSM says GWB' good economy and low unemployment is bad for you and will kill you:

A Good Economy May Be Hazardous to Your Health
Inc.com
By Drew Armstrong

New research shows a potential link between prosperous times and fatal heart attacks.

Careful what you wish for. You're more likely to die from a heart attack when the economy is strong and unemployment is low, new research shows.

An uptick in the nation's economy corresponds to an increased number of fatal heart attacks, according to a recent study by University of North Carolina-Greensboro economist Christopher Ruhm. The study, which tracked heart attacks against economic activity from 1979 to 1998, found that when unemployment drops by 1%, the number of heart-attack fatalities grows by 1.3%. Why? A go-go economy generally means people are working more -- and have less time to take care of themselves.

[Link: biz.yahoo.com...]

Silver lining: It's nice to see that even with these homicidal, fanatic, imbecilic creeps, we can still agree on something:

We will not accept the United Nations, they are the criminals themselves

lamists’ message to Israel at New York City rally: “The mushroom cloud is on its way!”

Where's the St. Valentine's Day Capone Gang when you need 'em?

here ---> hear

or is it hear ---> here?

/somebody ask for a geriatric driver :-)

Islam will dominate the world
Islam is the only solution
Islam will dominate the world
Islam is the only solution

Ah! So that's how you say "Sieg Heil!" in Arabic...

Why, WHY the hell aren't the MSM (ya,Iknow) covering this Sh-t! This is a DIRECT threat to US and our allies. Where's the freak'in coverage? What are the government agencies doing about this! Oh ya, probably conducting sensitivity training about islammm.

Interesting to see who the CIA leaker is.

The report says there were numerous contacts between Iraqi agents and members of Al Qaeda. For example, the commission concluded that in March 1998 two members of Mr. bin Laden’s organization met with members of Iraq’s intelligence services, and in July an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan. In 1999, the report says that Iraq reportedly offered Mr. bin Laden safe haven, but was rejected.

But the commission concluded, “To date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship. Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States.”

The commission also examined what President Clinton said was a chemical weapons factory in Khartoum, Sudan that he ordered bombed in August 1998.

At the time, CIA officials told reporters that the al-Shifa facility was owned indirectly by Mr.bin Laden; Iraqi technicians were present on the site; and that the precursor chemical EMPTA used in the manufacturing of VX gas was found in soil samples outside the gate of the factory.

The report says Mr. Clinton’s counterterrorism czar, Richard Clarke, believed that Mr. bin Laden clearly would have access to the VX produced there.

But it also says Mary McCarthy, the national security council’s senior director responsible for intelligence, warned Mr. Clinton’s national security adviser, Sandy Berger “we will need much better intelligence on this facility before we seriously consider any options,” and that the link between al Shifa and Mr.bin Laden was “rather uncertain at this point.”

So let's see. Don't go after bin Laden and later sell out your country. Again.

Nice job, Mary.

Where are the people in our gubmint?
Why aren't these groups just summarily rounded up and shipped out?
Jesus H Christ on a cracker WTF are those lame asses thinking?
Oh,yeah,these people might actually vote for ME if I keep my head down and don't make waves.
We do need to get back to the Founding Father's plan,and soon.

The NYTimes will run a story tomorrow and/or Sunday detailing the "verbal abuse" suffered by these peaceful Islamic thinkers by passing New Yorkers telling them to fuck off. The horror!

#14---I thought I was the only one to admit seeing Mars Attack! Stop. Do not flee! I'am your friend! Zap! Everyone dies.

Exactly what the religion of peace has in mind for us. Can't we deport these people?

But they have such a nice name... Islamic Thinkers Society. They must be harmless...

#12 Desertsage

i was thinking it sounded very familiar too. apart from the obvious ummah collective aspect there is probably some international headquarters that distriubute these ridiculous chants.

and these seemed very familiar

"Israeli Zionists What do you say? The real Holocaust is on its way"

remember the signs from the 3rd of feb hate march in london where one sign said along the lines of "the real holocaust is on its way"?

"Zionists, Zionists You will pay! The Wrath of Allah is on its way!
Israeli Zionists You shall pay! The Wrath of Allah is on its way!
The mushroom cloud is on its way! The real Holocaust is on its way!"

if you get a chance watch the 3rd of feb rally video (the nefa foundation vid)

i think they were chanting something like "uk you will pay, 7/7 on it's way etc..."(about halfway through the vid)

maybe there is something to the similarities

More on the traitor McCarthy.

Prior to joining CSIS in August 2001, Mary O. McCarthy was a senior policy adviser to the CIA's deputy director for science and technology. Until July 2001, she served as special assistant to the president and senior director for intelligence programs on the National Security Council (NSC) Staff, under both Presidents Clinton and Bush. From 1991 until her appointment to the NSC, McCarthy served on the National Intelligence Council. She began her government service as an analyst, then manager, in CIA's Directorate of Intelligence, holding positions in both African and Latin American analysis. From 1979 to 1984 she was employed by BERI, S.A., conducting financial, operational, and political risk assessments for multinational companies and banks. Previously she had taught at the University of Minnesota and was director of the Social Science Data Archive at Yale University. McCarthy has a B.A. and M.A. in history from Michigan State University, an M.A. in library science from the University of Minnesota, and a Ph.D. in history from the University of Minnesota. She is the author of Social Change and the Growth of British Power in the Gold Coast (University Press of America, 1983).

Sorry. Alleged traitor.

Islamic Thinkers? Is that an oxymoron?

We will not accept the United Nations, they are the criminals themselves

They do have a point there.

Otherwise, send them to Gitmo.

Muslims today are so damned lazy:

"The Muslims... Just Sit There and Beg God to Solve Their Problems: 'Oh Allah, Kill the Jews, Kill the Americans'... They Don't Want to Do Anything Themselves... "

Hassan Al-Turabi, Sudanese scholar and Islamist leader, holds a Ph.D. in law from the Sorbonne

Gee, some might be inclined to say:

"Them right thars fightin' werds"

:-)

36 - religion of bacon

Q: How many Muslims does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: None, they just sit there in the dark and blame the Jews.

Muslims of Islamic Thinkers Society -Yet another fine example of an oxymoron!

#12 DesertSage Hi guy - you still around? This is not a hot thread, is it?

That dust bowl is where Mecca use to be!

In the April 11th unveiling of the cartoons at USC Daniel Pipes and Yaron Brook discussed, among other things, this kind of chanting. Of all things which could be considered free speech, they said that threats like these "cut off the head of those who insult Islam" and "the mushroom cloud is coming" are not free speech but actually threats. You can see the discussion on the Ayn Rand Institute website but you have to register.

actually I think the oxymoron might lie more in the islamic and society than in the thinker part

I think our RoP friends may have misspeled the word "stinkers". Are they eligible for citizenship under the immigration amnesty bill?

The evil of these people keeps revealing itself over and over again. Can we help them out someway, please?

I guess when we see all the Muslims fleeing Manhattan, then we know the 'shroom cloud is coming?

Or are they just going to Paterson to pick up their welfare checks?

Good Lord, this is outlandish. Of course the apologists will say, its just rhetoric, they don't really mean it.

Ship them all out and drop them in the middle of the Atlantic.

Why arent these people arrested?

#37:

"Them right thars fightin' werds"

Hell, I'd settle for "deportin' werds".

You know, you Yanks are just freaking crazy.

You won't let me into your great country, but you let these barbarians in and they are now free to call for the destruction of the very society that has saved them from their barbarian culture.

Yet they still embrace the barbarian culture.

Man, it just drives me freaking crazy. I'd be a good American.

I'd be damn glad to be in America.

#50 whiterasta

So where are you?

Bring the assholes down here to Florida. I'll gather up some of the good old boys with the pickup trucks and shot guns and have a good old time with these mooslims.

Also I to am wondering WTF is wrong with you New Yorkers up there. They kill 3 thousand people and you are not out kicking these peoples asses. I guess you are only brave flipping people off as you drive by in your cars. Grow some nads and beat the hell out of them...

#50 whiterasta - you said the same thing the other night and I asked you WHY won't the US let you in?
I think you'd be a pretty good American myself.

Can anyone explain why this is allowed? Oh, crap, forgot, we are living in the multicultural world, a world I never wanted to be a part of anyway.

Hmm. No open thread, so I'll have to post my replies to this deadthread. (Regarding the Salman Rushdie invite to Nova U)

I'd especially like opinions on my replies to 14 Ferris (Wherein I try to join the Emperor Misha Prodigious Rant Club), 330 loppyd (Where I theorize about TV-over-IP), 378 Kenneth (How to arm yourself for air travel).

redstateredneck, please pick up your e-beads at the reply to 1062 Texas Heathen.

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Ha! The Islamsicks haven't murdered free speech yet! But still, it is a university...

Is there a "last minute cancel" pool yet?

Hope he wears a vest, though. Since the "intimidate" method didn't work, they'll move onto Muslim(e) tactic #2. Survery says! *ding* Violence! Remaining: (3) sue, (4) whine.

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14 Ferris

Let's make a little adjustment:

"America does not exist = Muslims comfortable."

May they be unconfortable forevermore.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

He's way more charitable than I.

"Take your thirty pieces and your slave's rag and get the f**k out of my sight. We don't need you or your kibutzing. Enjoy sucking muslim c**k. You put the chains on yourselves. I hope they're as heavy as neutron star matter. Welcome to the hall of traitors motherf**kers, and look forward to us remembering you when we kick your master's asses. You'll want the release."-MegaTroopX

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31 Fiery Red XIII

Like the nic. FFVII references for the win!

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113 honestscrutiny

Jawa Report seems to be keeping it covered.

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114 tommoon

Ack! The only justice Dems "enforce" is "class" "justice".

/Whaddya mean, I'm out of scare quotes?

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116 littleoldlady

The beach went south? Why am I here?

It's a tidal wave! RUN!

/LOL

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122 littleoldlady

10 IF StructureHeight > 1, THEN CALL AirStrike.EXE
20 IF StructureHeight < = 1, GOTO 40
30 GOTO 10
40 END

/Mangled BASIC

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137 MDIM

It's like a pyramid scheme in reverse. The countries at the top of the chain (US) are progressively more inundated/screwed.

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154 MiguelDIM

It an operating system that is the ancestor of Linux. Collectively, they are known as Linux/UNIX or *nix

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231 American Infidel

Brave and attractive, a potent combo.

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232 realwest

Get well soon!

/Sick call sucks

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247 SaneInMN

How much you wanna bet Michelle is a 2nd Amendment Ranger?

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251 EE

My grandpa's a little crazy, but unlike an Islamist, I wouldn't shoot him.

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285 UFO TOFU

If anyone ever deserved a good haunting...

/Someone's karma is headed through the basement.

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323 lancekates

I got somewhat upset with the Winter Olympics because their broadcast of it interrupted Earl.

I know how you feel. Cold Case is basically a lost cause during football season.

/don't get me started on basketbastard...I mean ball, season

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330 loppyd

iTunes TV rocks!

/It's a taste of things to come

Now that I think of it, IPTV really will be the next big thing. Right now, anybody with blog software can be a journalist, anyone with a mike and broadband can be a radio station (witness rightalk.com or the IMAO podcast), so why can't anyone with 10, 20 or 30 servers running permanent BitTorrent seeds be a TV station? Bet HD IPTV's in the pipe. What I'd like to see is an upgrade to Sirius/XM that let you stream IPradio to your car.

/Do you hear that, old stream media? It is the sound of inevitability. It is the sound of your death.

Jammie

re: Mary McCarthy

my nose is twitching. I smell Richard Clarke in here somewhere.

realwest: probably because in the glorious feel-good 60's we changed our immigration policy. We longer evaluate a person by the value they may bring to the country, but by their family connections.

Whiterasta

its the dreadlocks, right?

OT: Reuters orgasms over Teddy!

At 74, U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy still roars
Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:08am ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - At 74, Edward Kennedy still roars as one of America's leading liberal voices, longest serving U.S. senators and most polarizing political figures.

While most people his age are retired, Kennedy shrugs off an achy back and heads toward anticipated re-election in November to an eighth six-year term.

"There's a lot to do," he said in a recent interview when asked to explain what even critics describe as his seemingly tireless efforts on behalf of the downtrodden.

"I think most of all it's the injustice that I continue to see and the opportunity to have some impact on it," the white-haired Massachusetts Democrat said.

Kennedy is now helping lead a drive to revamp U.S. immigration laws while he keeps speaking out on such trademark issues as civil rights, education and health care.

Time magazine recently named Kennedy as one of "America's 10 best senators," calling him "the dealmaker." The recognition comes nearly 37 years after the Chappaquiddick scandal that tarnished his reputation and prospects of becoming president.

At rallies, congressional hearings and in the Senate, Kennedy orates with a booming voice. Sometimes it has the cadence of a drum roll, other times the fury of fireworks.

In his office this day, he talks softly and slowly.
[Link: today.reuters.com...]

#57 grayp - Nah I'm sure it was some French guy!

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332 Name The Enemy

CSI LV is my fave, followed closely by NY.

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358 American Infidel

We need vidblogging over IPTV, and we need it yesterday!

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363 Occasional Reader

True, but every little bit and all that.

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373 redstateredneck

Al came up in my Interview/Interrogation class last night. I couldn't resert asserting that "Al Sharpton is a Nazi with a tan."

No one gainsayed me.

/What Godwin?

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378 Kenneth

Personally, I plan to get some plastic replica fighting knives before I fly again, and sharpen them into usable weapons. Long-sleeve shirt + couple of large scrunchies = concealed weapons.

/won't get caught unarmed

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393 MTNester

Can't count on people, so hopefully tech will take up some slack, like that system that gives a plane "survival instincts", and tells it flying into buildings is "bad".

Cool. Only took us 30 years for what took nature a few 100M...

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413 Jheka

/joke? /sarc?

You're NOT kidding?

/f**k

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444 American Infidel

Fatwas never die. The cellular nature of Muslim(e) terror groups death squads assures that. If you are fatwa'd, assume it's forever, and stock up on ammo.

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486 Just_a_Grunt

TARGET FUCKIN' DESTROYED!

Hooah!

A rant worthy of the hall of fame.

/The Army is what the President pulls out after "Say hello to my lil' frien'!"

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517 Occasional Reader

You expressed my feelings perfectly.

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536 j-damn

I'm a little concerned. If the GOP doesn't get in front of the Mexican invasion of America ("illegal immigration" my ass, name the enemy.), they may get a lump of coal in their electoral stocking. It sure seems to be the immediate concern of Americans, right behind the war and gas.

And geez, start calling the moonbats on their moonbattery.
Rein in McCain, and rein in that abortion of an Act.

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548 Jammie Wearing Fool

It looks like they will actually lionize the heroes of flight 93, not their killers. Unlike some we could name.

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554 lancekates

There are large numbers of Armed forces (but especially Marine Corps) bumper stickers, window decals, and front plates (no front plate req'd in NC), around where I live. Including the candidate to succeed Litchard Hurley as Randolph county sheriff.

And Guilford Technical Community College is a moonbat's nightmare. The head of the IT dept. is an Air Force vet, and the computer hardware teacher is a retired Marine. Over in Criminal Justice, we have another Air Force vet, and several Police/Sheriff's vets. That doesn't even go into the student body.

Let someone try to pull that Frisco crap here.

/vote Maynard Reid!

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567 JaG

I'll go. Course, it won't be with my family members, as it is still a little too raw for them. As for myself, I'll honor their memory.

/If this turns out to be a Munich-style bitch-slap, there will be riots.

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572 Obi-wan

MOHAMMAD LIED - PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING

I'd get one, but I drive a loaner.

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690 redstateredneck

I want my song to be an instrumental...

The Terminator theme

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715 Minnesota Ronin

Ohhh, you had to mention them.

♥ ♥ ♥ Abby ♥ ♥ ♥
♥ ♥ ♥ Ziva ♥ ♥ ♥

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724 Desert Storm Vet I

LOL! I gotta remember that one!

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737 aussiemagpie

Oh my, that must leave a horrible impression!

/Come visit NC!

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742 m

Just tell him "I love you, but you look like a doofus".

Bribe his friends and teachers to tell him the same.

Cure'd!

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763 Obi-Wan

Think boot camp diet. 25 situps, 25 pushups after every meal.

I defy anyone to keep weight with that regimen.

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836 aussiemagpie

Do not mock the gremlins.

Gremlins are very real.

Not as dangerous as the movie version.

Though they are dangerous to equipment if you're hot-tempered.

/EXP

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837 JaG

Oh that's great!

Ha Ha!

/Nelson

#51, grayp:

I'm in Canuckistan. (Canada)

Visit there often, just can't work or get a Green Card. I don't qualify. If I robbed a bank or became an illegal, I'd get babs or cindy to take up my case.

#56 MegaTroopX

10 IF StructureHeight > 1, THEN CALL AirStrike.EXE
20 IF StructureHeight < = 1, GOTO 40
30 GOTO 10
40 END

/Mangled BASIC

Oh man, did you ever!

LOL!

These folks have a plan to make Hamas appear moderate so that the US and others might restart contributions to the party who was elected on an anti-corruption platform.

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911 Obi-Wan

This is just getting disTURBING

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1026 redstateredneck

White men can't jump. (Or so I've heard)

What about the Airborne? They jump for a living, and some of them are white.

/I know, SEALs and Pararescue, too!

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1048 aussiemagpie

My aunt and her ex are like that. My grandma still claims him as SiL.

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1062 Texas Heathen

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

/e-beads to redstate

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1080 LanceKates

You have the HD post!

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1231 Keepandbear

There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who know binary and those who don't.

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On the music topic, I think in some cases that the intro is the best part of the song.

"Welcome to the Jungle" is an example.

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1281 lurking faith

Who's scarier. Tough woman in black leather, or tough woman in BDUs?

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1474 W-lover

Have you tried the Reese's Cups with caramel.

Raaagh...*drool*

/Homer

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Whew. Deadthread commentlanche complete.

Whew, thank God we have the mainstream media the report the real news to us! Without the MSM, we would never have known about this rally today, and what was said.

/sarc

"Islamic Thinkers"? Isn't that an oxymoron?

#63 whiterasta

Visit there often, just can't work or get a Green Card. I don't qualify

Well, if you could find an employer to sponsor you - that happens fairly frequently. But you're right. The visa quota for people from sane countries is tight.

We only want the oppressed. Or knowledge workers who will depress wages of native knowledge workers

/former software developer

Would you like to come up to my place, Bouncy, Bouncy

MSNBC had a 10 minute tirade about the Bird Flu Pandemic that isn't. I didn't hear one word about human rights abuses in China or the Hamas threats. I heard about how we have to pull out of Iraq too and a lot of Bush Bashing about Katrina.

This next presidential election is going to be interesting. All we are going to hear about is Bird Flu and Katrina.

Arrogant f*cks. Right in midtown New York City, where the jooos live. At no time in my life would this have been possible before this year.

Absolutely no media had the courage to look into the face of pure evil:

[Link: news.google.com...]

Imagine if this had been the KKK. The New York Times editorial offices would have emptied onto the streets to get all angles.

[Link: tips.fbi.gov...]

Get money for finding terrorists

[Link: www.rewardsforjustice.net...]

Muslim Women Want Single-Sex Workouts

"In Islam, there are codes of modesty for both genders," said Ammerah Saidi, 23, of Dearborn. "When you're working out, you're not dressed modestly, and you're bending in provocative ways, so you can't be working out with the opposite gender."

The company is reviewing the women's concerns, said Jodi Berry, administrative director for Fitness USA. But the company said that the women's written contracts say nothing about gender.

Muslims, needless to say, are once again seething.

looks to me like someone forgot to take his daily happy pill and got on the computer when the Dr. wasn't watching.

#52 harley2002

Grow some nads and beat the hell out of them...

It all sounds good harley, and I wish we still lived in a time when good 'ole red blooded Americans would do just that.
But in this sissified, politically correct, multicultural society we live in, the good 'ole boys would be thrown in jail for "inciting violence" and "assault and battery".
Then would come the civil law suits from the Muslims...because the Muslims have learned very effectively how to pervert our legal system.

The whole thing is sick...

terribly OT:

BELLEVUE, WA – The Census Bureau has reported what amounts to a “domestic migration” from three large cities in three key states, and the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) blames much of this population flight on repressive gun laws.

The Associated Press reported Thursday that, according to the Census Bureau, states losing the most people are New York, California and Illinois.

The Second Amendment Foundation

Throw bacon.

52 Most New Yorkers are raving moonbats and/or angry leftists who no longer think or care about 9/11 anymore...

When i bring up 9/11, most of my LLL "friends" look at me with ridicule and ask why im still not over that

St. Pancake --why don't they just join Curves for Women?

80 ggt
Hey, not OT at all imho. With demonstrations like this, who the hell does not need a gun in NY?

These folks also seem to hate the Ayahtollah Khomeini and Shi'ites in general...

Check out this strange article from the Islamic Thinkers Society website:

Iran's Transexual Revolution

Milad gives thanks to Allah five times a day and, while doing so, always offers a special prayer to the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, "without whom," he says, "every transexual would have had to leave Iran. He was the first to issue a fatwa authorising a man or woman to change their sex."

More than 15 years after Khomeini's death, the cleric's unlikely religious judgement means that Iran now has one of the world's largest populations of transexuals, and the fatwa itself has become the stuff of legend. "A theology student told me that he delivered his verdict after he was contacted by a couple who no longer experienced any physical pleasure. He advised them to change sex and, once the woman had become a man and the man a woman, then to remarry," says Mahnaz Javaheri, 42, the mother of Athena, a 20-year-old who, as she puts it, "needed to be freed of her man's body". A devout Muslim, Mahnaz says that if the three imams she consulted hadn't given their permission, she would never have let her son Hadi become Athena, "even if it meant him committing suicide. These three great ayatollahs all said that he should have the operation as soon as possible."

The real story behind Khomeini's fatwa is scarcely less dramatic than the apocryphal version. He issued it in 1983, after a man named Fereydoon, who had made several unsuccessful attempts to gain an audience with the Iranian leader, eventually forced his way into Khomeini's private rooms. Fereydoon persuaded the cleric that he was a woman trapped in as man's body by revealing the breasts he had grown thanks to a course of hormone treatment...

It gets weirder.

#80 ggt

I would guess some red states just increased thier populations, NO?

When i bring up 9/11, most of my LLL "friends" look at me with ridicule and ask why im still not over that

Yeah, that's the latest catch-phrase they use to identify each other and alientate "non-believers". Being "over it" is the latest membership card to the "in" crowd.

#85
GAH!

83 ggt
Righto! Curves is in their range. A big bruhaha over nothing, and yet, I feel we will once again cave in.

They are threatening Israel, a country allied with the US with nuclear terrorism?
Doing this right here in America?

Why in the hell these mudslimes are not already arrested and deported by the time I'm writing this?

WTF is our government doing?

#85: Ringo the Gringo

From the link:

He advised them to change sex and, once the woman had become a man and the man a woman, then to remarry

They are so strange. The next step would be to issue a fatwa allowing people to marry themselves after sex change.

keepandbear. I didn't look at the statistics myself -- only looked at the press release --which I get in my email. Interesting stuff one never hears on the MSM.

In the end, we're going to have to kill 500 million Mohamedans--I'm serious. How can you not accept this number when these types are RIGHT HERE in the good ol' US of A?

We're not talking about Pakistan or Iran. This is Manhattan.

"We are not your average Muslims, We are the Muslims of Was al Sunnah"

Unfortunately, these are typical Muslims, despite the denial.
It's time to dispel the notion that [bigoted word]s of this ilk are 'radicals'.
They are in fact representative of mainstream Islamic thinking.
They aren't hijackers of a peaceful religion, they're symptoms of the disease known as Islam.
Until a cure for the disease is found, the best we can hope for is to eliminate the symptoms.
The patient will not be cured when the Muslims of Was 'were' but only when Islam itself is a bad memory.

#36 religion of bacon...:

That's almost good enough for the 'Onion'. All this smiting and slaying is hard work. It makes you sweat. I hate to sweat. Can you outscource the smiting and slaying?

#33 JammieWearing Fool

Sorry. Alleged traitor.

How long before we hear "Whistle Blower" from the LLLeft.

[Link: www.zipperfish.net...]

For those of you who haven't as yet seen the cartoon...muslims are fucking morons the above link is for you.

I watched part of the House Subcommitee hearing on Human Rights in China the other day. It's scarier than Saddam. We need a military presence in the ME to insulate us.

The moonbats better realize that a lot of kids are going to be in the military for a very long time.

The generation that is now in Iraq are going to be in charge soon. Thank G-d they'll have real experience --unlike most of the moonbat hippies squawking now.

OT

Probation in Oakland liquor store vandalism

The other five men are expected back in court May 12, although one, Dyamen Williams, currently is a fugitive after he failed to appear in court on an unrelated gun charge.

Several of the men have admitted affiliations with the Your Black Muslim Bakery chain, a network of businesses owned and operated by a group that claims inspiration from -- but no affiliation with -- the Nation of Islam or its leader, Minister Louis Farrakhan.

Officials of the bakery chain, including one of the defendants, have publicly criticized the large number of liquor stores in West Oakland and other predominantly black neighborhoods. Consumption of alcohol is strictly forbidden by the Muslim religion.

Watch History Channel NOW

Going to log-off and watch a movie with my kid. I feel lucky to have a kid young enough to want to watch a movie with his Mom :)

Have a great evening Lizards!

#101 Avner.

Very exciting!

glidden team colors!

LOL

Yes, I don't qualify. Being a middle-aged white guy seems to cut me out of the loop.

I have no dreadlocks or tatoos, just Mr.Johnny Citizen-Taxpayer. Technical electronics type, I don't really have employment contacts in the USA.

Wishfull thinking on my part, moving to the USA.

All joking aside, I'm outraged anyone living there could be so disrespectful and downright trecherous to their adopted country.

I came here to Canada from Jamaica and I certainly would never, ever do or say anything to destroy this (my) country.

I admire and love the USA and you Americans.

I found this very cool web page searching for "average muslim" Common Logical Fallacies Made By Muslims Here's one of them that applies here.

6. The Fallacy of Force: The Qur'an commands Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims and apostates (Surah 5:33; 9:5, 29).

Some Muslims use a false analogy to answer this argument. They respond by saying, "Well, what about the Crusades? You Christians use violence just like Muslims."

It is logically erroneous to set up a parallel between Muslims killing people in obedience to the Qur'an and Christians killing people in disobedience to the Bible. While the Qur'an commands Jihad, the New Testament forbids it.

106 whiterasta

After that heart warming plea if I wasn't a Straight Guy that was already married I'd marry you into the country!

LOL

63 whiterasta,

There must be some reason why they won't give you a green card.

Maybe you should fly down to Mexico and sneak into the country.

While I don't like anything else this group does or states, I do like the expression

soil of Israel

It has a nice, God-given ring to it.

and of course the Iranian nuke is being designed in laboratories with interiros like this:

[Link: smg.photobucket.com...]

what can you say? Other that the lot of them are raving nutters?

Can we now close down the WP and charge it with TREASON ?

April 21: A career officer at the CIA is out of a job, fired and accused of leaking classified information to a reporter for the Washington Post. Updated: 7:41 p.m. ET April 21, 2006

WASHINGTON - In a rare occurrence, the CIA fired an officer who acknowledged giving classified information to a reporter, NBC News learned Friday.

The officer flunked a polygraph exam before being fired on Thursday and is now under investigation by the Justice Department, NBC has learned.

Intelligence sources tell NBC News the accused officer, Mary McCarthy, worked in the CIA's inspector general's office and had worked for the National Security Council under the Clinton and and George W. Bush administrations.

www.msnbc.com

#82 ted

When i bring up 9/11, most of my LLL "friends" look at me with ridicule and ask why im still not over that

Huge paradigm shift taken place, but they never caught that wave as it would upset their world view. They would have needed to start asking themselves questions they never wanted to know the answers too.

Ask them why they are not "over" GWB being the POTUS after 2 elections. The people have spoken. "Move on."

For me, I didn't know anyone in NYC the day of 9/11-- but watching my fellow countrymen through themselves out of windows...I wanted heads on sticks. I still do.

Faster please.

OT
Sorry to go way off topic but this is a Supermodel? I've seen better looking methheads at the trailer park.

What is it with some folks?

Just because we prefer to live in peace doesn't mean that we will surrender without a fight.

And just because we see a "final solution" as morally abhorrent doesn't we won't do it to them if we are pushed hard enough.

Morons...

#110 ,Ringo the Gringo

Dude, that just cracked me up!

How do you get beer off a computer screen?

Thanks. Very funny.

grayp,

#57 grayp 4/21/2006 04:44PM PDT

Jammie

re: Mary McCarthy

my nose is twitching. I smell Richard Clarke in here somewhere.

See post 27. His name is mentioned there.

#106 whiterasta
I admire and love the USA and you Americans.

Brooklyn sez ~ yea, we love youse too.

#104 Keepandbear

You think the Holocaust is a joke?

lowandslow

dang! Nick Nolte didn't look that bad!

The 'shrooms are on their way! I want one!

mich-again
Thanks so much for that one. That is a keeper.
108 rayra
Thanks so much. I had no clue what that was about.

whiterasta,

I admire and love the USA and you Americans.

Aww gee, now I feel bad for posting the above link.

I am a big fan of Jamaican music, especially from the 50's thru the early 70's: Mento, Ska, Rocksteady and Roots Reggae.

# 117 lowandslow

Most models are basically walking mannikins (sp?). No personality or brains to speak of.

The 'shrooms are on their way! I want one!

Did you hear about the acid rain?

It flies in the face of reason, but Hate Speech seems to be okie dokie in our society, thanks to case law determined by some idiot judges. This makes no sense to me in striking down a City Ordinance against this type of hate speech as we are talking about on this thread:

Therefore, city's bias-motivated crime ordinance, interpreted as banning the use of fighting words known to offend on the basis of race, color, creed, religion, or gender, but not on such other possible bases as political affiliation, union membership, or homosexuality, was invalidated for its content discrimination. ''The First Amendment does not permit [the city] to impose special prohibitions on those speakers who express views on disfavored subjects.''111

Takbeer! Allahu Akbar

Since it's Friday night, is that a call to drink some cold ones at Al's hackbar? Seems to me after Praying for the Destruction of Israel, the US, and all other civilized people in the world to a non-existent God, one would get pretty Dry.

I like #47 Ziggy'sGrammy's idea of Shipping them out into the Atlantic. Maybe we can get one of those Egyptian Ferry Boats with 50 Life preservers and load each up with 1,000's of Molsens, oops I mean Muslims and Moonbats.
We could tell them they are going out to the "Holy Sandbar", and they can kill each other fighting over the Life Preservers.

123 Avner.

when I turned that's what was on. A bunch of commercials. I had no idea what was actually on. now If I inadvertently gave offense I apologise. if you want to find how I really feel punch my football and start reading.

I am watching the History Channel now. Never hear as much on Italy's role.

#129 The Other Les

Most models are basically walking mannikins (sp?). No personality or brains to speak of.

Yeah but they should at least be good looking.

ted 115,

Look up Mary McCarthy and 911 Commission and see where she's mentioned. Or see my initial post in this thread.

Most interesting.

131 Ann
Oh, thanks so much. Was wondering what was allowed, or not allowed. Geez...

Was Tony Judt there?

67 Savage, 108 rayra

Right. Done now. I'll take the advice about linking back, though.

O/T:

Ward Sutton is smoking crack.

O(n)/T:

Some people just need to be put down. If people had gathered in NYC (or anywhere) in 1944 and started shouting "sieg heil," would we have put up with it?

How is this different?

#115 ted - What I want to know is why don't we charge Mary McCarthy with treason?
You'll note that she flunked a lie detector test which must mean she lied about leaking the information in the first place.

"No wonder they call Us sons of apes and pigs because that’s what we are".

Unquote

"No wonder Mo calls us his sons of his rapes of pigs because that’s what we are."

blockhead quote>
Oh, Its not happy mooselims we are!

what the f@ck is 'takbeer'? Is it near-beer that the [bigoted word]z guzzle? Is it what they suckle from the foaming brown nozzle of Moe-ham-head (pieces of jagged glass be blown into him)? Allah-tinkle? Jihadi-jizz? Screw takbeer, what ever it is, gotta be poodle-pi$$. It's Friday night, class is over and I am onto my third Abita Turbodog. Doin' my part to help get Louisiana's economy back on its feet (or maybe in this case, claws or paws...)

141 Jheka
Again, this is what most of us are questioning? Ann provided the link explaining this tomfoolery.

Is Rummy around? He would like this.
Cat family welcomes rejected pug puppy

145 Clutch

Takbir

The actual title of this phrase is takbīr (Arabic: تَكْبِي& #1585;‎), while the phrase itself is "Allahu Akbar". In the Islamic world, instead of applause, often someone will yell "takbīr" and the crowd will respond "Allahu Akbar" in chorus. In many places, this is a fairly recent phenomenon brought about by a reaction to Westernization.

#138 St. Pancake

Was wondering what was allowed, or not allowed. Geez...

What makes me livid is that this type of threatening speech is allowed. Against any group.

We could go to the Saudi {insert muslim government here} Embassy and scream the same crap.

We would be disbanded or called racists.

I just can't stand this double standard.

So successful cultures have to just take this crap from the failed cultures because we see them as at a disadvantage somehow?

#117 lowandslow 4/21/2006 05:17PM PDT

OT
Sorry to go way off topic but this is a Supermodel? I've seen better looking methheads at the trailer park.

Oh my God. I think you about nailed it.

#146: St. Pancake

Unless Rummy is training kung fu, of course (love the drunken temple boxing).

150 Ann
Can this be changed? Is this written instone. Thinking it is about time.

I was quite disappointed to read the article as I was expecting that they would also be burning some cars as a homage to their co-religionist " youths" in France. Where is muslim solidarity? When do these slime intend to go to the WTC site and stage a similiar celebration? Maybe they are too scared that some construction workers in the area would see them and beat the crap out of them. If they are all so manly may I suggest they volunteer become Jihadi or Hamasnik qassam firers, aka dead meat, in Gaza. Some artillery rounds will send them right where they need to go.

whiterasta,

In sympathy for your plight, I'm going to go put on some Lee Scratch Perry dubs at lease-breaking volume.

You see, Officer, I'm only playing it so loud because of this guy on the Internet...

You'll note that she flunked a lie detector test which must mean she lied about leaking the information in the first place.

eh, it depends on how it was done. Sometimes they might tell you to answer "no" to all questions and check the results, then run another series of questions, then stop and interview you some more, then run more questions by you on the machine, etc. Polygraphs aren't difinitive which is why they can't be used to fire someone but they can be an "interview" aid.

If someone is afraid that they might be accused of something they didn't do, it can cause the polygraph to indicate a physiological change when asked a sensative question. So the results of the polygraph itself is more of an indicator of possible deception than proof of deception.

152 hans ze beeman

Das ist komisch! Wo fanden Sie dieses?

Israeli Zionists, What do you say?
How many children have you killed today?

What's the matter, afraid the Jews might be closing in on their Beslan record?

#117: lowandslow

She looks drugged.

#150: Ann

So successful cultures have to just take this crap from the failed cultures because we see them as at a disadvantage somehow?

That's the left's thinking. In itself, it is a form a sublime, "benevolent" racism, like "poor guys, they are allowed to misbehave because, you know, their life is hard, childhood was a horror, discrimination, it's us that we see in them..." Crap.

Time for the return of the GLNM!

#150 Ann

(Back on topic)

If their speech is not "incitement to violence" then that phrase has lost all meaning.

The main purpose of government is to protect law-abiding citizens from violence, or threats of violence.

If the government can't or won't do that, then sooner or later ordinary citizens will take the law into their own hands. And that is something none of us should ever want to see.

But in any case, Mary McCarthy has probably lost her pension. Must suck since she was getting pretty close to retirement according to AP.

#157: St. Pancake

You can say you to me /Helmut Kohl to Ronald Reagan :)

#130 Crosspatch

Groovy, man! That is so alll-right!

/imitating Wavy Gravy

OT
'I'll tell Ken Bigley's family where to find his body'

#131 Ann - Hi Ann - I know I'm swimming against the tide hear, but at least I've been consistently swimming against the tide. The US Constitution provides, in the First Amendment that "Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech..."
I am now and have always been on the side of former SC Justice Hugo Black in discussing (but not using the term) the "slippery slope" the Court was heading towards by restricting ANY freedom of speech save for that which tends to or does cause imminent and immediate harm to human life. As he said "I don't know what my brethern on this court can possibly be 'interpreting' in the First Amendment, it's quite clear that Congress shall make NO LAW [emphasis added, realwest] abridging Freedom of Speech.
As Thomas Jefferson, who was Madison's mentor and had a great deal to do with the drafting of the Bill of Rights said: I trust the judgement of the American People in the marketplace of ideas and do not trust the government to, in any possible way, regulate that marketplace.

164 hans ze beeman
Duzen ist ok bei mir auch. :)

136 lowandslow,

Yeah but they should at least be good looking

She looks a little bit better in this photograph.

...and here too.

We are not your average Muslims...

Sounds pretty run of the mill to me.

#153 St. Pancake

Can this be changed? Is this written instone. Thinking it is about time.

Reading the SCOTUS decisions on this, it would be very tough. Stare Decisis is very tough to reverse.

Still pissed at the idiocy of this. The First Amendment, and as many have said before here, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Incitement to violence and destruction of a whole population is wrong on any level.

But Israel.

Maybe it's okay to threaten strong, successful societies and coddle the failed, violent, and disruptive ones in our world.

#168 realwest
Bravo. You might be swimming against the tide but you're not swimming alone.

realwest
When does hate speech become hate speech then? Threatening another 9/11/, a nuclear attack, and whatever else these dregs scream is somthing which needs to be considered. I wish they would be picked up, and their residency status considered.

#53 realwest
I consider myself a Texan in exile. You know the British aren't even allowed to enter the green card lottery. Your pals in France are, but not us. That's just what we need, an America which is more French. God help us all.

#156 crosspatch - I was suggesting that she was asked outright, before any "interrogation" whether or not she leaked classified information and she said no.
Then followed the lie detector test.
Fuck her pension, she should be tried as a traitor to this Country.

#144 rayra

Brilliant!

Thanks. A complement from you pegs high on my LGF ladder.

There's no legal way to fight this, and there shouldn't be. And if you get up in their face and push them around, you'll get arrested for assault.

What happened to the days when police wouldn't arrest you for punching out someone shouting 'Sieg Heil'? Or for abusively grabbing your girlfriend in a bar? Or for anything else patently offensive to honor and decency?

Is it a myth that there once existed a gentleman's consensus as to what, in the law's view, deserved an unpunishable punch in the face?

172 Ann
Ok, but I am still furious. Ok, Killgore, hop in, lol! :)

The mushroom cloud may very well be on its way, but not they way they think...

175 bweep

Th more I hear about our immigration policy, the wierder it sounds. A serious overhaul is in order.

#170 Ringo
Hard to believe it's the same person.

Have a good night fellow lizards. It's blues night at the tavern and I hear the yearning cries of a barstool calling out to me.

# 168 realwest

Gotta go with you on that one.

AI

Ain't gonna happen.

184 Mike C.
Hey! What is going on now with Hu news?

Where's the FNDT? (checking watch) It's happy hour in Cali.

#174 St. Pancake - As Thomas Jefferson and James Madison would probably say "hate speech" is when the majority of American citizens determines that it is so.
I don't like hearing people say Sieg Heil. I don't like hearing people say I hate N**ggers or I hate
Honkeys or I hate Jews, but as I indicated before, I hate even more that the government decides for us
what is and is not permissable speech (again, short of that which is intended to or is an attempt to incite violence against a person or group of people).
Imagine, if you will, Ms. Justice Ginzberg telling us what we can and cannot say. That's why, as abhorrent to me as it was, I think the ACLU (back in the day) was right in protecting the American Nazi Party's rights to parade in Skokie, Illinois.
I hate Nazi's and had I lived in or near Skokie I would have been out there counterprotesting in very impolite language the mofos of the Nazi party. I wouldn't want the government saying I can't do or say that. Intellectual consistency requires, therefore, that the American Nazi Party had a right to disseminate it's views in the American Marketplace of ideas.

183 lowandslow
Have a good one!

Killgore, for you.

Litterbox

188 realwest
Yeah, cooler heads. On the other hands, are all these dudes U.S. citizens? Does that matter?

#5 hans

*Looks at UN*

Oh, you're still here.

"Ahh! It is annoying my head!"

#159 hans ze beeman

it is a form a sublime, "benevolent" racism, like "poor guys, they are allowed to misbehave because, you know, their life is hard, childhood was a horror, discrimination, it's us that we see in them..." Crap.

Yep. Let's weaken the strong and strenghten the losers among us. You got it. Sad.

#161 rickl

The main purpose of government is to protect law-abiding citizens from violence, or threats of violence.

You are right. We need to get a handle on this issue.

The Israeli Embassy is their Sovreign soil here in the United States.

#168 realwest

I am now and have always been on the side of former SC Justice Hugo Black in discussing (but not using the term) the "slippery slope" the Court was heading towards by restricting ANY freedom of speech save for that which tends to or does cause imminent and immediate harm to human life. As he said "I don't know what my brethern on this court can possibly be 'interpreting' in the First Amendment, it's quite clear that Congress shall make NO LAW [emphasis added, realwest] abridging Freedom of Speech.

I really to think that calling for the destruction of a Country in front of Her Embassy qualifies as imminent harm.

We will see how much more we all have to take.

#170 Ringo the Gringo

I'm glad my favorite, Marissa Miller, didn't look that bad. My Wife might have to consol me (although I couldn't tell why).

Hmmm.

May not be the same Mary McCarthy, but look who donated to John Kerry.

Mary O Mccarthy
Analyst
U.S. Government
John Kerry
$2,000 6825 Wilson Ln (map)
Bethesda, MD 20817

Michael J Mccarthy
Landscape Architect
Michael Mccarthy Associates
John Kerry
$2,000 6825 Wilson Ln (map)
Bethesda, MD 20817

realwest

Well, I certainly agree with you. But I also think it's important for Nazis to know they can say all the idiotic things they want, but they can't get push anyone down. Counter-protesting addresses the verbal part. I wouldn't throw anyone in jail for addressing their butts with a swift kick, though. As long as you don't break anything.

#181 American Infidel

Whenever I see one of the goatf***er women around here in a full Darth Vader outfit (an increasingly frequent sight), I always give them a long, scrutinizing stare. Not hateful, just an "I see you, I know what you're up to" look. The kind of look a cop would give someone who they suspect is up to no good.

I'm sure it confirms their feeling that they're oppressed or that I'm under the power of their hair rays or whatever, but I could care less.

#149 St. Pancake

Ahh, many "thank you's" (may rancid goat butter and spoiled syrup full of dead bees be upon your namesake, but not upon you) for the 'splanation. I was sorta hoping that it was beer with tacks innit that would pierce the tongues and throats of the Islamofacists that imbibed of it, but damn, t'is not to be...

#178 godfrey - there is a significant difference between committing assault and battery - that is physically attacking someone - and calling them names.
Our Founding Fathers knew only too well what happens when the government regulates who can say what. What happens is that people only get to say what the government wants them to say.

And BTW, I'm also against adding punishment to crimes commmited agaisnst certain classes of people.
If someone murders a gay man, he should be put to death (or at least life in prison w/o parole). The fact that he yelled sexual insults while he was killing him shouldn't add to his penalty - that sets up one or more classes of people in our society who's lives are considered more valuable than others.

#7 religion of bacon

They seem to think (I know, I know) that nukes will magically disappear the Jews while leaving everything else intact.

===

50 whiterasta

It's not us!

Unless someone here works for ICE, in which case, get on the stick!

# 186 St. Pancake

Lots of cut-outs during CNN reports as they mention problems between China and the US, the protestor, etc.

I gotta go watch this guy clean out the interior of my workstation. The amount of crap in the box is unbelievable and I want to see how he handles it.

#175 bweep - I don't have any pals in France. Just for the record!

201 Mike C.
So, the Chinese did hear about the Falun Gong protester?

I sure do hope there was some cult profiling
going on during that outing, like photos and
videos.

#189 St. Pancake
That's a great one!
Miss Matilda's not so sure, but she'll warm up to it.

199 Realwest

I'm with you on that. Not only does it punish a person for their thoughts (which should be anathema anyway), but it isn't applied in anything like a fair manner.

This whole "protected classes" thing has to stop.

I am getting paranoid, I guess. My moonbat Iranian-American kid's father is going to Iran next week for a couple of weeks. Kid said dad is a computer guy who will be checking on business.

206 Killgore Trout
Miss Mathilda? Do I think you have that someone special?

ot: Press Self-Absorbtion and bias continues unabated

[Link: www.editorandpublisher.com...]

translation: We want another Vietnam or watergate, but Bush isn't giving us one and we have to put up with him for another 2 & 3/4 years. WAAAHHH! Meanie!

*sigh* I hate crusading press. I wish they'd jsut report the facts and otherwise shut up

#190 St. Pancake - FWIW I think it matters a great deal. I think our constitution only protects American Citizens. WIth SCOTUS, who the hell knows?!

#198: Clutch

spoiled syrup full of dead bees

That's hate speech against bees that drives the beeman mad! :)

Gnight LGFers

Jewels,

At least these enemies identify themselves:

Consider Thomas Friedman’s column in The New York Times today, and its implications.

Friedman, who still supports the Iraq war, opens by declaring that given a choice between a nuclear Iran and an attack on that country engineered by the White House, he would choose the former. That’s how little he trusts the diplomatic and military chops of Bush, Rumsfeld, Condi and Co. He cites “the level of incompetence that the Bush team has displayed in Iraq, and its refusal to acknowledge any mistakes or remove those who made them.”

But then he goes on: “I look at the Bush national security officials much the way I look at drunken drivers. I just want to take away their foreign policy driver's licenses for the next three years. Sorry, boys and girls, you have to stay home now -- or take a taxi. ... You will not be driving alone. Not with my car.”

Yes, just what we need, the NY Times setting foreign policy.

hans ze beeman
Good night!

#190 St. Pancake

are all these dudes U.S. citizens? Does that matter?

I think it does. This should earn them a spot on on various watchlists. Their visas should be checked, along with group memberships, phones should be tapped, etc.
The same free speech laws that protect Rayra's #195 protects these Islamist protestors.

#188 Realwest

There is a group on Brownshirts that show up Boyertown, PA everyonce in awhile. My seventeen year old daughter asked why they are allowed to do that. I explained to her what Free Speech meant in this country. I told her you won't be protected from hearing and seeing things you don't like. The Constitution ensures even idiots can have their SAY.

There will always be the Moonbats and Mental Midgets of the Left who will agree with anything Anti-Us. Fortunately, there are enought Decent, Hard-working folks in this country who will see the threat Islam poses.

We need to get this in the Media as much as possible. The statements they make should be read while those videos of 9/11
victims jumping for their lives are shown.

They are only making our cause better!

Am I wrong or didn't Ace sing this one on "American Idol"? With the right arrangement this could be a number one hit in Indonesia.

realwest

If those guys start calling for the destruction of the US, they've forfeited any claim to US citizenship and to the social contract that citizenship implies.

What civility do I owe to people who are openly calling for the destruction of my society?

#210 American Infidel

I want to rip those rags off of them...

So why don't you? You go, girl!

Oh. You are hiding behind the light of your computer monitor.

Never mind.

AI

That kind of pessimism isn't welcome.

#195 rayra

I agree with you. I sure hope our government doesn't go the way of England, where Muslim thugs get free speech rights and homeowners are prosecuted for defending their property from criminals.

Unfortunately, I think we are farther gone than any of us wants to believe.

# 199 r w

"Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech ... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble"

You tell me a crowd chanting those things, esp. a crowd of those whose co-religionists' misdeeds are enumerated daily on this site and others, is peaceable in any way, shape, matter or form ...

/late to the thread, cannot believe that I read what I read in the main post and no one was arrested

# 204 St. Pancake

Only when the censors screwed up by not cutting the CNN, etc. signal fast enough.

They clean the workstation with a slightly scaled-down leaf blower. This has caused the return of the dust storm to Beijing, as you would not believe the cloud of crap that blew out of that box.

#168 realwest

I am now and have always been on the side of former SC Justice Hugo Black in discussing (but not using the term) the "slippery slope" the Court was heading towards by restricting ANY freedom of speech save for that which tends to or does cause imminent and immediate harm to human life.

There has to be limits. A counter example: How can anything be classified if the freedom of speech trumps all?

This is not some inebriated dolt sitting on a bar stool and pontificating about the evils of somebody and what he would do if only….. This is about an easily identified organization, consisting of individuals, groups and nations that have shown over a long period of time by words and deeds their desire to destroy us. There is no perfect solution. Utopia is not an option. We can only do what we can do.

Free Speech and non-citizens

1. "Noncitizens," not "immigrants." First, a simple but often-forgotten note: The question here is not about the speech of immigrants; it's about the speech of noncitizens. The millions of immigrants who are citizens (for instance, me) are treated exactly the same way for First Amendment purposes as any other

citizens. More broadly, we are legally like native-born U.S. citizens in virtually all respects.

4. Deportation for speech alone: The rule is unclear. The leading case, Harisiades v. Shaugnessy (1952), which upheld Harisiades' deportation for being a Communist, speaks about nearly unlimited Congressional power over deportation, but that language is in the section holding that the deportation of Harisiades didn't violate the Due Process Clause. The Court's conclusion that the deportation of Harisiades didn't violate the Free Speech Clause (Harisiades had argued that the deportation violated both clauses) rested on the conclusion that active membership in the Communist Party was substantively unprotected by the First Amendment — both for citizens and noncitizens. (This view that the First Amendment doesn't protect Communist Party membership was the law at the time,)

"Every time an Arab leader makes a statement that says one thing in English, and its polar opposite in Arabic, we should bomb his residence." - Kim duToit, "Cry Havoc: Taking Of The Gloves"

Well, hell, the Iranioids say the same things in English and arabic, and Farsi, and whatthehellelse.

What should we be doing about them?

/rhetorical question

In my more merciful moments, I want to invent a Slidewave ([Link: www.slidersweb.net...] machine that leads to another planet instead of a parallel earth.

#220 godfrey

What civility do I owe to people who are openly calling for the destruction of my society?

Or any society. I'm with you.

Cowards are the ones who have that need for such a simplistic, quick solution.

Intelligence sources tell NBC News the accused officer, Mary McCarthy, worked in the CIA's inspector general's office and had worked for the National Security Council under the Clinton and and George W. Bush administrations.
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Surprise, surprise - a Clinton mole.

226 Mike C.
Yeah, the dust storm thing sucks bigtime, lol. I feel for you. Similar carp in Algeria from Sahara storms.
Was wondering about the Falun Gong thing. Thanks fo ryour response.

It seems to me that the thing here is that we, the people, never rise up and protest together, What would happen if we could put aside all our arguments and everyone who felt that illegal immigration is wrong would take to the streets and march? It would take the enemy by surprise and just maybe, wake up our politicians!

This bunch of jihadis need taking down.

Thank God this is a peacful religion full of outspoken moderates. Such reasonable folks.

Now let me pull my head outta my ass... muslims out of the US... NOW!

We don't have to subjugate freedom of speech here; we just need a few more Andrew Whiteheads' to put this shit into perspective...

Andrew Whitehead, will continue to work to expose and present to interested parties
any information regarding CAIR that they feel is of importance.

Helluva Countryman

ted #21,

There's one author who's not heard of fish oil (diet or supplement). Dramatically lowers risk of sudden heart attack(40% or more), by preventing sudden oxidation of plaques. Maybe I'll send this dolt a link to the New England Journal of Medicine.

Tompain #10,

They underestimate us. Americans are pragmatists, not cowards. They'd love to strike terror in our hearts. I doubt they could even strike guilt, not when it comes to the masses. People are catching on, and every day, PC erodes further.

#228 St. Pancake
Hmmm. Well I guess the Communist Party would be analigous to Al qaeda; an outlawed organization. Although these guys might sympathise with Ossama if they don't mention him or belong to an outlawed group then they're still protected (I guess).

Ann

What solution are you talking about?

#82 and #79

Sorry what both you say does not cut it. If 1000 New Yorker went down there and kicked there asses nobody would be prosecuted. See you have to understand the Mooslims the Illegals all know how to get together when they have to as a group. We dumb ass caucasians sit with out thumbs up our asses and let then screw us because it is interfering with out latte time. At least up there in NYC. If those bastards were outside where I work I would be in an altercation in about 10 seconds. Get myself on Hanniity and have the majority of the country behind me. I am mad as hell am not going to take it anymore. We are a country of wimpy womanized men with no backbone who let these bastards step all over us and do NOTHING.Quit worrying about the damn lawyers. They don't. Ever notice you don't see any Mooslims yelling that shit down here. Difference bettwen the South and NYC. Fuck Em I hope they try it here have not been thrown in jail since I was drunk on spring break but it would be worth it to crack one of these assholes upside the head

#233 msdixie

Well, most normal, average people don't take to the streets because we're busy. We have a life. We have jobs, we're raising children, feeding pets, mowing lawns, fixing stuff, going to church, pursuing hobbies, what have you.

Most of the people who engage in mass marches are chronic malcontents who have plenty of time on their hands.

RE: Protestor to jintao-This am on the radio the talk was about the screen going dark in China when the gal started to yell.

Sorry, but we do have a Constitution. We would liek to keep that too.

Fuck her pension, she should be tried as a traitor to this Country.

The article from the Washington Post seems to have more than one source. I suspect the source that turns out to be Mrs. McCarthy actually plays a small role in the article.

Read this article

In particular:

The CIA's inspector general is investigating at least half a dozen allegations of serious abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan, including two previously reported deaths in Iraq, one in Afghanistan and the death at the Salt Pit, U.S. officials said.

...

The agency has an aggressive, robust office of the inspector general with the authority to look into any CIA program or operation anywhere," said a CIA representative who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "The inspector general has done so and will continue to do so. We investigate allegations of abuse fully." The spokesman declined to comment on any case.

...

The CIA inspector general, meanwhile, recently completed a review of detention procedures in Afghanistan and Iraq and gave Goss 10 recommendations for improving administrative procedures for holding, moving and interrogating prisoners. The recommendations included more detailed reporting requirements from the field, increased safeguards against abuse and including more CIA officials in decisions affecting interrogation tactics.

Two have been fully adopted, officials said.

I believe the above is McCarthy and that there were yet other sources on reading the whole article. This would back up the information in news reports that there are more than one leak being investigated, and that a criminal investigation that does not involve Mrs. McCarthy has been started.

I believe McCarthy played a fairly minor role in the article but the journalist identified where the information came from (office of the Inspector General) so that would be a logical place for CIA to start digging and it looks like they stuck pay dirt but I doubt there will be a criminal prosecution in her case. The criminal prosecution is going to be someone else that exposed much more than she did.

PIMF like

241 rickl

Well, most normal, average people don't take to the streets because we're busy. We have a life. We have jobs, we're raising children, feeding pets, mowing lawns, fixing stuff, going to church, pursuing hobbies, what have you.

Most of the people who engage in mass marches are chronic malcontents who have plenty of time on their hands.

Good dose of truth. And time is about all that they have and use to suit their purposes.

Good dose of truth. And time is about all that they have and use to suit their purposes.

If you live in a major city, look in the newspaper classified in the employment section for job listings for "activists". Many people at demonstrations are paid to be there.

IMHO This is free speach.

[Link: today.reuters.com...]

The law at issue bars harassing, intimidating or threatening a foreign official in the performance of their official duties.

Threatening a foreign official? What is the difference? Is an embassy representing a foreign officaldom? WTH?

#237 Killgore Trout 4/21/2006 06:28PM PDT

Well I guess the Communist Party would be analigous to Al qaeda; an outlawed organization.

I wish it was. In any civilized society, it would be.

It just burns me to no end that, while Nazis are marginalized and considered pariahs (rightly so), college students, professors, and rock bands who spew Marxist filth and wear Che T-shirts are regarded as "youthful idealists".

#242 rayra
Don't be so defensive, Pumpkin. I was refering to the material you quoted.

# 244 big L

I was watching it live at the time, and the signal was indeed cut.

241 rickl

And as you were. Check out Rayra's 247. AL just enacted/updated a law where it is my right to defend...(until the primaries of course).

#253 rickl
I still think the analogy stands. We have free speech, these Islamists feel safe spewing their filth in public and I still feel that's a good thing. I would hope that the proper authorities have taken notice and are checking them out. If this isn't the case, that's when I get worried.

#220 godfrey "What civility do I owe to people who are openly calling for the destruction of my society?"
Absolutely none at all. However, as far as I can tell, although this was a disgusting "assemblage" it was "peaceful" - you certainly have every right to go down there and be (non-physically violent)as verbally uncivil to them as you are able.

#233 msdixie - if we could put aside our differences and arguements about illegal immigration and march and parade about it...a lot of us would lose our jobs! Semi-seriously,I don't know how these folks can, day in and day out march, protest etc. etc. unless they're on welfare or are trust fund babies or something.
More seriously, there is not a consenus in this country about illegal immigration, though there probably is on LGF. There are LOTS of businesses, and not just agrigultural businesses, that survive or make make profits or make HUGE profits from employing illegals at below minimum wage, don't deduct taxes and social security or pay the employers share into social security, who are NOT against illegal immigration. And a lot of people, everyday type people, who are American citizens who work for these business are against immigration reform for fear that the business that they legally work for will go bankrupt without the ability to use some illegal immigrant labor.
I think what's been missing from the illegal immigration debate is the feeling and desire for national soverignty. It's the only thing I find shocking at all at many politicians who want to legalize those illegal immigrants who are here now and talk about closing the borders later; who talk about what a disgrace the healthcare system is in this country, knowing full well that many, many states have ENORMOUS health care costs for illegal immigrants. Like Teddy the Swimmer. His family roots, like those of most Americans, are immigrants.
LEGAL immigrants, many of whom started out with nothing but tried to assimilate, tried, wanted to become American Citizens.
Judging by many of the marchers and parades over the last few weeks, they want to live as Mexicans in the USA. As Muslims want to live in the USA but under Sharia law, not US law.
I don't care who you are or where you come from, you should not be allowed in this country, nor should you be able to avail yourself of our bounty and healthcare system, unless you want to become an American. Maybe our system of legal immmigration (e.g., Brits can't get Green Cards, but French can) is in need of serious overhaul, but the answer is not to legalize the status of those living here who don't want to be Americans.

#240 harley2002

There are some Muzzle-ems in Philadelphia, but they don't say too much. I think they might be afraid of the Eagle Fans.

Don't worry, there are still plenty of Real Men above the Mason-Dixon line, we're just too busy living our lives to make the news.

One of the ways you can judge a Man is by the way he treats Women, children and those less fortunate than himself. Enough said about the Muslims. Why do you think the Israelis keep whuppin them, even though they're outnumbered a gazillion to one.

Maybe we can have a Whup-A-Muslim anti-protest sometime. We'll have the ladies bring baseball bats to see if they really do have Balls.

It would be easy to claim self-defense after kicking bout 25 Muslims each, don't ya think?

Steps off soapbox, picks it up and heads for another thread!

#238 godfrey

What solution are you talking about?

The solution that is the most simple, quick and obvious. It's expoused by simple-minded, negative and very fearful people: Get this done now. I'm scared, so let's get rid of the problem now. They panic. They think our Government is made up of idiots who have no access to any information at all. So they want to provide it to our Government via a blog.

Laughable!

But they are scared, so they found a forum where they can talk big, criticise and wring their worn hands when they are not typing that "We Are All Doomed!"

Hey, if that makes them feel better. The LLL's cry "Leave Now!". Both are of the same mold. Irrational, scared, defeatist and ready for Armagheddon any day now, thank you.

At least they aren't running amock in society if they are typing or calling talk radio.

I'd rather hang out with optimistic people who have been there and did something about it... our Military.

What really gets my pants in a bunch is the headline many outlets are choosing to use. The AP says:

CIA fires employee for alleged leak

Alleged my ass, she ADMITTED it!

There's no alleged, allegedly or allegation about it. She admitted she did it. What gives with these idiots at AP?

#252 St. Pancake

From the feds point of view, I have no clue.

From my point of view,

Credibility

Level of Harm

and other reasonable person stuff...

IMHO That WH protester is just airing a grievance, inappropriate time and place maybe, but not a crime.

widow'smight

All it would take is for one of those assh*les to take a swing at me as I'm insulting everything they say. I'll give them the first swing, then it's self-defense, right?

@261 Ann

Ah yes, the poisoned wormtongues that would
like to bring the skies down upon all of us.
And dance with glee as they boast about being
"right".

#243 American Infidel

Stop being sooo hateful, bigoted and racist Murqtaad...You know you cannot deport or revoke citizenship of such good people...

The Law in our Society simply imposes ethics on those who have none.

You should pay more attention to it.

#257 Killgore Trout 4/21/2006 06:52PM PDT

#253 rickl
I still think the analogy stands. We have free speech, these Islamists feel safe spewing their filth in public and I still feel that's a good thing. I would hope that the proper authorities have taken notice and are checking them out. If this isn't the case, that's when I get worried.

I sure hope the authorities are taking notice, and taking names.

But I hope to see the day when Communism and Islamofascism are vilified and marginalized in exactly the same way that Nazism is currently. That no person who considers himself educated or enlightened would be caught dead near them.

Ann

I hear you. The only caveats I'd make are that the military is selective, and you never can tell what civilians online are doing in real life to help.

Are you still out-driving reaganite on the fairway?

267 rickl
I pray for this too.

265 quark2

Ah yes, the poisoned wormtongues that would
like to bring the skies down upon all of us.
And dance with glee as they boast about being
"right".

'Cept historically, they rarely ever are right. Remember the big worldwide famine of the '80s that wiped out most of the world's population? Neither do I.

#264 godfrey

Sure, just make sure to swing 24 more times to get your quota. Do you think they'd have enough balls to swing at a Man? They always seem to attacking Old people and Women.

"What civility do I owe to people who are openly calling for the destruction of my society?"

The same BASIC civility you would owe anyone. Depending on how you were raised. Someone calling for the destruction of your society has every right to their opinion and is free to express it without fear of reprisal. As long as they don't actually do anything to destroy the civilization, they are fine. You might call for the destruction of their movement too. But you may not take things in your own hands and act on that call.

You may shun them and choose not to associate with them. You may also express your own opinion but not to the point of interfering with their expression. That's just the way it is. If you want to have your rights, then you have to allow them theirs. We don't choose who has a right to express or what they have a right to express except in very narrow cases of obscenity and hate speech.

You protect your rights by protecting theirs.

What was so objectionable about rayra's #195? While IANA constitutional scholar, it seems to me that:

The tenth amendment states that any rights/duties not specifically delegated to the feds or the states are delagated to the people.

Should not the responsibilities that ARE delegated to the feds or states, but are not fulfilled, then revert to the people?

Obviously, the folks who are building the fence at our border agree with this interpretation.

We need the wall. It is better compared to the Great Wall of China, than the Berlin wall the L3s compare it to.

One was to keep the Huns out. The other was to keep subjects in.

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#247 rayra

Why "idiot-felons"? Not ragging your opinion, just asking for elaboration.

#265 quark2

would
like to bring the skies down upon all of us.
And dance with glee as they boast about being
"right".

People calling for the world to end have been with us for quite some time.

There will always be the lay down and die folks among the living.

I feel sorry for them.

#267 rickl
Amen.
/I'm an athiest, not sure if that counts.

If you believe a law was violated in their demonstration you have every right to file a complaint. Actually, it might not be a bad idea to videotape any future demonstrations and have a lawyer review it for evidence of hate speech. Or other illegal speech. The definition of illegal speech is pretty darned narrow, though, and it will probably be hard unless they issue some direct threat.