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Muslim Groups Will March with Illegals

Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 9:57:42 am PDT

Joining illegal immigrants in their march on May 1: radical Islamic front groups the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), the Muslim Students Association (MSA), the Muslim American Society (MAS), and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR): CAIR are now in the mix- will march with illegals. (Hat tip: Fjordman.)

Los Angeles, CA: In solidarity with immigration activists around the country, the Muslim Public Affairs Council as well as the Council on American-Islamic Relations - Los Angeles (CAIR-LA), the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California, the LA Latino Muslim Association, the Muslim American Society-Los Angeles, and the Muslim Students Association - West (MSA West) are calling on American Muslims to participate in a day of action on May 1, 2006.

On that day, the Multi-ethnic Immigrant Worker Organizing Network (MIWON) is holding a march near downtown Los Angeles in support of immigration reform and worker’ rights. MPAC is coordinating Muslim American participation in this important event, which affects Americans of all ethnic, racial and religious backgrounds. Similar events will be taking place across the country.

WHAT: International Worker’s Day Immigration March
WHERE: McArthur Park (7th & Alvarado near Downtown LA)
WHEN: Monday, May 1st, 2006 at 4:00 p.m.
CO-SPONSORS: Muslim Public Affairs Council, Council on American-Islamic Relations - Los Angeles (CAIR-LA), Islamic Shura Council of Southern California, L.A. Latino Muslim Association (LALMA), MSA West, Muslim American Society - Los Angeles (MAS-LA), Multi-ethnic Immigrant Worker Organizing Network (MIWON) - http://thistuesday.org/node/127

WHY SHOULD MUSLIMS GET INVOLVED?
Islam’s message is one of social justice, economic fairness, and fair treatment in the workplace. The Qur’an urges the proper treatment and respect of workers. Several Muslim leaders discussed the relevance of the Qur’an to the struggle for dignity in the workplace with union leaders and other religious leaders during the “Islam and Labor: Forging Partnerships Conference,” held November 10, 2001 in Washington, DC. Co-convened by the National Interfaith Committee for Worker Justice and the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), the conference sought to build relationships between Muslims, interfaith committees and labor communities. As the Prophet Muhammad is quoted as saying, “None of you has faith unless you love for your brother what you love for yourself.”

It is against this backdrop that American Muslim organizations are calling for a comprehensive immigration reform that includes provisions for a pathway to lawful permanent residence for the undocumented currently in the United States, a temporary worker program that matches willing workers with willing employers, and a reduction in the current backlogs in family-based immigration to the United States.

HOW DO WE VIEW IMMIGRATION REFORM?
The United States has always been a nation of immigrants, but today the country has more than 33 million foreign-born residents, the largest number since the US Census started keeping such statistics in 1850. In 2003, foreign-born residents made up 11.7 percent of the population, the highest percentage since 1910. And over the past 16 years, the newcomers, many of them undocumented, have poured into places in the South and Midwest that have not seen sizeable numbers of new immigrants in generations.

On December 16, 2005, the House of Representatives passed HR 4437, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005. The bill was introduced by Congressman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-WI). The Sensenbrenner bill is an inadequate enforcement-only bill that fails to address comprehensive immigration reform. In particular, it does not include any provision for a guest worker program, an earned legalization program, nor a reduction in the backlogs for family-based immigration. Instead, the bill criminalizes undocumented people for unlawful presence in the United States, and criminalizes people who work or volunteer with faith-based organizations for helping someone in need, who turns out to be undocumented.

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1 zombie  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:58:39am

The coalition coalesces.

2 Endangered in Mass  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:59:23am

migrant suicide bombers. they'll receice 72 welfare checks in heaven

3 zombie  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:00:43am
WHAT: International Worker’s Day Immigration March
WHERE: McArthur Park (7th & Alvarado near Downtown LA)
WHEN: Monday, May 1st, 2006 at 4:00 p.m.
CO-SPONSORS: Muslim Public Affairs Council, Council on American-Islamic Relations - Los Angeles (CAIR-LA), Islamic Shura Council of Southern California, L.A. Latino Muslim Association (LALMA), MSA West, Muslim American Society - Los Angeles

Paging agents Rayra and Ringo; Paging agents Rayra and Ringo!

4 mingjaiyo  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:02:44am

An excellent reason for some covert surveillence to occur..I'll bet that they show up waving Pali flags,the dolts...that'll go over big with the common people of the USA.Unless of course,they are recieving helpful hints from the sponsers of this deplorable display.

5 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:02:55am

These will make the movement even more popular.

I can see how the American Family will like the images on TV, Americans will start chanting in their kitchens and family rooms:

illegals and muslims united in the fight
illegals and muslims united in the fight


:-)))

6 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:03:36am

Double Post


Tornado Watch 2006-256 includes Electra, Kamay and Holliday!


While never drunk in Wichita County, I have consumed a few beers.


Further South and East, towards I-10 corridor of South Central Texas, no watches in effect yet, but


A COLD FRONT EXTENDS FROM W CNTRL KS SWWD THROUGH THE OK AND TX PANHANDLES. A DRY LINE/PACIFIC FRONT EXTENDS FROM SWRN TX NEAR FORT STOCKTON NWD INTO THE WRN TX PANHANDLE WHERE IT INTERSECTS THE SEWD ADVANCING COLD FRONT. FARTHER S...A WARM FRONT EXTENDS ACROSS SRN TX FROM NEAR HOUSTON WWD INTO THE RIO GRANDE AREA.

A STRONG LOW LEVEL JET WILL PERSIST ACROSS CNTRL TX AND MAINTAIN ISENTROPIC LIFT ALONG AND N OF E-W BOUNDARY ACROSS S CNTRL TX. ELEVATED STORMS ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPING FROM S CNTRL THROUGH N TX WITHIN THIS WARM ADVECTION REGIME. AS LOW LEVEL DEWPOINTS CONTINUE TO DEVELOP NWD AND AS THE BOUNDARY LAYER WARMS...THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR SOME OF THESE STORMS TO BECOME CLOSER TO SURFACE BASED. LOW LEVEL HODOGRAPHS ARE ENHANCED BY VEERING BOUNDARY LAYER FLOW IN VICINITY OF THE WARM FRONT ACROSS S CNTRL TX...AND WOULD ENHANCE THE THREAT FOR ISOLATED TORNADOES IF STORMS MANAGE TO BECOME ROOTED NEAR THE SURFACE.


OK, CAPE not super manly at College Station (what is?), but forecast shear profiles would support tornadic supercells despite less than optimum instability.

7 TalkinKamel  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:04:24am

#1 zombie

Yes, it does.

I suspect, in the near future, we're really going to see the battle lines drawn up.

OT---Charles, I think somebody out there in cyberspace may be trying to get LGF. I'm having an unusually hard time posting, and I suspect I'm not the only one.

8 GISAP  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:04:40am

Rush was just talking about a Rasmussen poll where a hypothetical 3rd party candidate running on border security, defense, and employment enforcement beats the generic Republican by 9 pts. and almost ties the Dem. So it was Dem 31, 3rd Party 30, and GOP 21.

Wake up, dudes!

9 alegrias  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:04:57am

Great--so when some of these folks sing that verse in our national anthem, "The Bombs Bursting in Air" en Espanyol, their moslem cohorts will sing Allahu Akbar.

And they'll join in the last chorus of:

"O'er the Land of the UnFree
and the home of Jihadi..."

10 Greg  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:06:44am

McArthur Park...hmmm...

"McArthur Park is glowing in the dark"
"All the sweet RoPer entrails are blowing up"
"Aztlan lovers wanting California lands"
"I don't think I can take it"
"Sacramento pols endorse it"
"...and the coalition of the fruit pickers and the spodleydopes is formed!
"ooohhh---nooo!"

11 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:07:04am
12 St. Pancake  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:07:31am

As a poster on the link suggested, this could become especially interesting as the movie about Flight 93 will still be in theaters.

Praying some of these morons pull off something stupid.

13 Earth2moonbat  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:07:36am

#5 Poitiers-Lepanto

These will make the movement even more popular.

I agree. Coming in the heels of the anti-CAIR fiasco, it sure seems like CAIR never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. This is going to blow up in their faces like a TATP bomb.

14 fapping gn0bheadz  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:07:50am

itll be like a Cormac McCarthy story but with Che Shirts and hijabs

15 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:08:45am
16 Jheka  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:09:29am

Well, who couldn't see that this was going to be a moonbatathon? ANSWER has their stickers (in English and Spanish) all over DC and have people giving out flyers to whoever looks hispanic.

Watch for the ambiguous "Save Darfur" rallies this weekend to also be infiltrated by various anti-American groups.

17 Dov  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:09:42am

From the Charlie Daniels website

Mexican Standoff

I don’t know how everybody else feels about it, but to me I think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally, made a huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations.

I don’t blame anybody in the world for wanting to come to the United States of America, as it is a truly wonderful place. But when the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is illegal it is flat out wrong and I don’t care how many lala land left heads come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me sensitivity lessons.

I don’t need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don’t have anything against Mexicans, I just have something against criminals and anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal and if you don’t believe it try coming into America from a foreign country without a passport and see how far you get.

What disturbs me about the demonstrations is that it’s tantamount to saying, “I am going to come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and there’s nothing you can do about it.”

It’s an “in your face” action and speaking just for me I don’t like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of gonads in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn’t be happening.

Where are you, you bunch of lilly livered, pantywaist, forked tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have you been drinking the water out of the Potomac again?

And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will probably be so pork laden and watered down that it won’t mean anything anyway. Besides, what good is another law going to do when you won’t enforce the ones on the books now?

And what ever happened to the polls guys? I thought you folks were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain’t paying any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around eighty percent of Americans want something done about this mess, and mess it is and getting bigger everyday.

This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed for being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in France with the Muslims can’t happen here when the businesses who hire these people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned Hispanics take to the streets?

If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle under on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that you care nothing for the kind of country your children and grandchildren will inherit.

But I guess that doesn’t matter as long as you get re-elected.

Shame on you.

Pray for our troops.

What do you think?

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels
April 3, 2006


[Link: www.multimedia-interactiv...1125&forum_id=4...]

18 religion of bacon  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:11:19am

Citizens for Immigration Reform is having another rally / protest in Dallas tomorrow. I guess I'll have to make a new sign with some sort of "goatf***ers go home too" theme on one side. Or how about "Allah Says Kill the Catholics?"

19 Jheka  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:12:16am

For all of the division among Republicans over this, this may well be the issue that saves republicans in '06 and especially in '08.

20 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:13:02am

Now why would terrorist support groups be for be supporting illegal immigration?

21 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:13:18am

#1 zombie, President Bush's amnesty coalition?

/strange world we live in.

22 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:13:30am

In the past I've read stories of how the moooselimbs have been working to convert people in Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America, so this doesn't surprise me at all.

23 Dan Patterson  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:14:14am

The insurgent movement is afoot and no one in Washington is willing to either admit it, nor put an end to it. How is this different from the days prior to the Civil War (big picture)? The insurgents want a takeover or a separation. The solution is to...what?

Does the end have to come from a Big Orange Ball for a remedy? Can't some of our leadership LEAD!?

Dan Patterson
Arrogant Infidel

24 Mr Kufr  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:14:38am

The ungrateful ones do not realize that trying to throw economic marbles under Americas feet during a time of war will hurt their cause.
Fill your tank next monday on the way to work, eat an expensive lunch. Stop and Shop on the way home, spend as much as you're able to. Screw those that would support lawbreakers.

25 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:15:02am
26 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:15:07am

#18 religion of bacon

It's supposed to be a bad weather day tomorrow. May'be they'll all get sucked up by a tornado. Or be pelted by baseball-sized hail.

27 Zardah  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:15:36am

Sounds like a match made in heaven. Two groups, each believing their agendas deserve special priviledge and exemption from rules that apply to everyone else.

Now that they are such good friends against the duly elected and established order of the United States, perhaps Mexico can become a staging area for ...

BRB, have to visit the sporting goods store.

28 Killer Tomato  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:15:40am
WHY SHOULD MUSLIMS GET INVOLVED?
Islam’s message is one of social justice, economic fairness, and fair treatment in the workplace.

Apparently I just wandered into Bizzaro World...

29 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:16:04am

#24 Mr Kufr, but first incorporate. Then expense like a Kennedy.

30 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:16:56am

Amazing how the mujahideen accepted American help when ousting the atheist Soviets from Afghanistan.

Now they are warming the sheets with these bstrds.

31 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:17:05am

Remember, everyone:

Islam’s message is one of social justice, economic fairness, and fair treatment in the workplace.
32 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:17:25am

Did anybody hear Michael Savage the other day (Tuesday, IIRC)? He was ranting about Bush meeting with Dem senators on the amnesty bill, and how he had shut out people like Cornyn and Kyl.

33 Fjordman  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:18:50am

I am always working on several posts at the same time, now including one called "Another American Century or Another American Civil War?" You Americans need to understand just how much is at stake here. We are in the early stages of a world war with Islam, Muslims are working to get nuclear weapons and are openly calling for the physical destruction of the West. Your enemies are watching the way you are handling the illegal situation, and they are not impressed. Do you think the North Koreans or the Iranians are scared of a country that allows itself to be intimidated and held hostage by a bunch of Mexicans who shouldn't even be in the country in the first place? When you're a supwerpower, the line of separation between domestic and foreign policy hardly exists. During the Cold War, the Soviet Union was impressed by the way Ronald Reagan handled the blackmail by the air trafic controllers. He simply fired them. This signalled to your enemies abroad that you were not going to give into black mail anywhere.

What is at stake here is your credibility as a superpower. In the longer run, it could be your physical security from nuclear attacks, perhaps even your very survival as a coherent nation state.

DO NOT give in to Mexican intimidation. Build the fence, and deport the illegals. Yes, ALL of them. No amnesty.

We are facing decades of what could potentially become the deadliest war in human history, where the very survival of Western civilization and perhaps human civilization in general hangs in the balance. We cannot win this without you. You are the indispensible nation, and if you break down, the rest of the planet is basically screwed.

34 Rancher  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:19:20am

Something worth noting when it comes to a quest worker program, it won’t be Mexicans recruited by the contractors to come here. Mexico is a rather prosperous country when compared to other third world countries. It can’t compete with cheap Chinese labor for instance. An Egyptian makes half the Mexican average wage, India and Indonesia one-third. Pakistani’s one-quarter. We may see a lot more Islamic guest workers than Mexican.

35 ibrodsky  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:19:48am
Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), the Muslim Students Association (MSA), the Muslim American Society (MAS), and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

Deport the leaders of these Islamo-fascist groups now. Where applicable, strip them of US citizenship. Place all of their active members in internment camps. No one gets out until they pass a security check and publicly declare loyalty to the US Constitution against all threats--particularly the totalitarian Shari'a threat.

36 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:20:02am

#32 Ward Cleaver, Gallagher was extremely upset. Says insiders are saying President Bush personally would like to sign complete amnesty in one day and be done with the issue.

37 ibrodsky  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:21:52am

33 Fjordman

Spot on!

38 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:22:16am
39 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:23:38am
41 amyc  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:24:42am

18 "Allah says kill the Catholics" is excellent.

42 Markx  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:24:42am

#5 Poitiers-Lepanto

These will make the movement even more popular.

I can see how the American Family will like the images on TV...

And extactly how will the average American see it? The MSM will not be showing those images. I guarantee you.

43 religion of bacon  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:26:00am

The Mexican "immigration reform" groups are demanding that all illegal immigrants immediately be granted full citizenship, right? So how many Islamic illegals are there who would become instant US citizens? This alone should scare the sh*t out of any rational person.

Great news, Mohammed! Our entire cell was just granted citizenship!

44 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:26:11am

They don't have a good answer, so they MUST change the question.

Note how everything above is about the importance of immigration, past and present.

Immigration isn't the question. Legality is.

It is like trying to defend a bank robber by telling the jury it is only fair that people should be able to get their money out of the bank and how evil the bank is for only wanting to accept deposits but no withdrawals.

45 Pope Insouciance IV  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:26:33am

Throw in the Animal Liberation Front and you've got the perfect trifecta of entitlement.

46 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:27:09am

Great. Illegals and islamofascists together. Our own little Axis of Evil.

47 WriterMom  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:27:20am

From the release:

Islam’s message is one of social justice, economic fairness, and fair treatment in the workplace jihad, Jew-hatred, anti-Americanism, anti-democracy and misongyny.

Much bettah!

48 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:27:22am

My problem isn't so much an influx of people by instant citizenship for illegals but that the amnesty selection process favors those who more readily break laws and have less respect for the USA. I would much prefer opening up legal immigration for those who are more likely to become a part of American society.

49 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:27:30am

Well, irregardless of the moral failures of amnesty, granting it before an airtight border fence is put up would only guarantee a massive influx of new illegals.

50 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:27:39am

The battle against illegal mexicans was lost twenty years ago.

51 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:27:58am
52 Murqtaad  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:28:37am

I'm sure the moderate muslims I kkep hearing about will stage a counter protest. You know the ones, the peaceful, anti terrorist muslims who are protesting terrorism, mysoginy, and all that other stuff...

Oh thats right, moderate muslims only exist in the dreams of leftist freaks and a few morons who post here.

53 amyc  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:28:41am

34 Rancher. You know, I hadn't thought of that. It certainly throws new light on CAIR and the rest getting involved.

54 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:28:52am

#43 religion of bacon

I am ready to peel off my "W The President" sticker. I've had it.

55 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:28:57am

So the better idea is to invade and annex Mexico. We could run it better. Ask any Mexican.

56 WriterMom  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:30:11am

No Code Pink :(

57 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:31:45am

#55 PK

I agree. We should annex them before they annex us. The problem is, we'd go bankrupt trying to lift Mexico up to our standards. Like the unification of Germany. East Germany was basically a third world country.

58 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:32:51am

Ward
OK, we arm 10 million illegals and send them south as occupation forces at $3.99 an hour -no benefits.

59 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:32:52am

#56 WriterMom

What? I'll bet no Butt Pirates for Palestine, either.

/or queers for palestine

60 ibrodsky  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:33:03am

#45 Pope Insouciance IV

Throw in the Animal Liberation Front and you've got the perfect trifecta of entitlement.

I would not insult animals by lumping them with Islamo-fascists.

61 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:33:16am

#55 Peacekeeper, pssst, peace keeping force performing a police action.

/Haven't you played Sid Meier's Civilization II?

62 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:33:21am

#58 PK

LOL!

63 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:33:51am

#43 Religion of Bacon

How right you are.

Imagine the ACLU being allowed to protect Moussaoui, and pull in all of the protections of the rights granted to regular law-abiding citizens at a greater expense to the U.S. taxpayers.

They could petition for classified information in a court case in defense, etc.

This would be a real problem.

64 rw in san diego  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:33:54am

#17 Dov

What a great letter from Charlie Daniels. Expresses my sentiments. Take that you Congressional pussies!

And that goes for you too, Mr. President. For heavens sake, actually, for the sake of our country, take a stand, and defend our country with your words. Our troops are already doing just that with their lives. Mexican people wake up. Fix your own country. Make it better respond to your needs. Don't side with elements that want to bring down this country. We all lose.

65 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:34:17am

Work! BBL

66 ouray  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:34:33am

#33 Fjordman

Your enemies are watching the way you are handling the illegal situation, and they are not impressed.

No! No! No! It has been asserted by several people – some on this site – that everything is going according to plan. Our leaders know what they are doing. You see, they have access to information that we ordinary people don’t and they are better at determining the proper course of action. Just be happy and have a positive attitude and everything will be OK!

/what is the plan again?

67 Prester John  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:34:44am

Time to form a Conservative Party in each state ala New York. If the local Repubs are true conservatives, support them, if not, run candidates to give people a choice. The danger of course is that it may result in losses short term as the Libs win close races (see 1992 presidential election for the effect of a 3d party), but in the long run the Repubs will have to move right to win or become irrelevant in their localities. I've taken a look at the Constituion Party (formerly know as the U.S. Taxpayer's Party) but I'm not sure they're the answer.

I would like to call it Conservative Party USA, but the acronym CPUSA is the same as the Communist Party USA.

Any ideas out there?

68 scorched earth 138  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:34:57am

#22 Ward Cleaver: "In the past I've read stories of how the moooselimbs have been working to convert people in Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America, so this doesn't surprise me at all."

And what's comical is the latina bints that convert 'cuz islamofeces "treat their women with more respect." Can't wait 'till they start turning up in emergency rooms due to the "respect" they get dished out to them from the middle eastern goatfvckers some of them will end up marying!

69 Mosin Nagant  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:35:31am

Allah Akhbar...with Salsa!

70 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:35:52am
71 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:36:53am

The problem with this instant citizenship crap (and the amnesty for that matter) is that once they're citizens, they'll have to be paid minimum wage.

How long do you think it'll be before companies fire them, and then replace them with new illegals, who can and will be paid less? Not long, I'll bet.

Totally.F*cking.Stupid.

72 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:37:01am
73 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:37:29am

#64 rw in san diego, the only hope we got is to drag it out until President Bush's term runs out. I think his mind is made up on this issue.


/His real purpose I cannot say.

74 Miss Trixie  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:38:17am

to the struggle for dignity

Why is EVERYTHING a freakin' STRUGGLE with these sand savages?

I'm getting awful tired of looking at the word and what it intimates.

Always a victim.

/target rich environment, AFAIC
//So sue me - I'm cranky today.

75 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:39:17am

Why are Mexicans special over other immigrant groups?


Why no "Star Spangled Banner" in German, Gaelic, Thai, Tagalog, Italian?

76 moonsbreath  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:39:19am

#54 Ward Cleaver

I'm peeling mine off today and replacing it with the flag. American flag that is with red, white and blue no green.

77 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:40:25am

#67 Prester John

How about calling it the Liberty Party, or the Freedom Party instead?

78 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:40:35am

Bush has seriously let us down.


Still, it'll be worse when the Democrats take over again in 2009.


Trust me on that.

79 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:41:21am

#75 Ed...

I DEMAND it in Klingon!

80 moonsbreath  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:42:46am

Newt for President!

81 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:42:52am

Demonstrations like this are the perfect time to spread chaos via a WMD explosion, as I said in another thread. Although biological weapons might be the best - infect a lot of people in he crowds, and they won't know it until later, when it has spread. And the conspiracy types will be glad to spread the rumors that it was "racists" or "jooos" that did it to kill illegal immigrants. Especially when the groups are working together.

Maybe all this waiting for something to happen is getting to me, and I'm just looking for some time for it to happen.

As for buying stuff, I'm trying to figure out what I should get. Not that I can get very much right now. As for filling my car, I take the train, so that's out.

82 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:43:05am
83 Prester John  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:43:42am

#77 Can't argue with either of those.

#78 I think the Dems taking Congress in 2006 with the impeachment hearings to follow in Jan 2007 would be worse than losing everything in 2008.

84 Model4  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:43:54am

The other day the GOP called me up ask for a campaign contribution. Told them that that was "a job Americans aren't willing to do," and that perhaps the illegals they've sided with would be willing to finance them instead. Guessing from the sound of her voice that this wasn't the first time she'd heard a similar rejection.

85 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:44:03am

#77 Ward Cleaver

Peacekeeper will BBL. Then you'll have his imitable help in naming that party!

86 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:44:27am

Of course I could peel off my W sticker (assuming I can stick it back on; it's a couple of years old) and put it back on upside down.

The alternative is to take my American flag (it's a static cling, not a sticker) and put it on upside down. But that might piss off the wrong people. Ideas?

87 religion of bacon  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:46:02am

#75 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Or Arabic.

88 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:46:15am

#83 Prester John

I think the Dems taking Congress in 2006 with the impeachment hearings to follow in Jan 2007 would be worse than losing everything in 2008.

I think this might happen.

89 Stringart  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:46:37am

Is that "No Gringo Day" or whatever it's called still going on in Mexico on May 1?

If so, let's pick up the slack. All lizards outside the US, be sure to go to McDonald's, Walmart, Starbucks or any other US company that day and buy American.

90 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:48:04am

#82 American Infidel

I didn't say why I couldn't say;-) It is beyond the subject matter of this blog...

91 Obi-wan  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:49:02am

#85 Roger

It's called the Libertarian Party.

You're welcome.

92 Sol Roth  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:49:54am

May 1st or May Day is a Traditional Socialist Celebration

International Workers' Day

International Workers' Day is the commemoration of the Haymarket Riot of 1886 in Chicago, Illinois and a celebration of the social and economic achievements of the international labor movement. The 1 May date is used because in 1884 the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions, inspired by labor's 1872 success in Canada, demanded an eight-hour workday in the United States to come in effect as of May 1, 1886. This resulted in a general strike and the riot in Chicago of 1886, but eventually also in the official sanction of the eight-hour workday.

May Day has long been a focal point for demonstrations by various socialist, communist, and anarchist groups. In some circles, bonfires are lit in commemoration of the Haymarket Riot usually right as the first day of May begins. In the 20th century, May Day received the official endorsement of the Soviet Union; celebrations in communist countries during the Cold War era often consisted of large military parades and shows of common people in support of the government.

In countries other than the United States and United Kingdom, resident working classes fought hard to make May Day an official governmentally-sanctioned holiday. Most such efforts eventually succeeded. May Day in most of the world today is marked by huge street rallies of workers led by their massive trade unions and various large socialist and communist parties — a phenomenon not generally seen in the U.S. (which has a history of anti-communism) or the UK In most countries other than the U.S. and UK, May Day is often referred to simply as "Labor Day".

Given that one of the stated goals of the "march" is to shut down commerce, I tend to believe that an organizing force behind this is the Collectivist Party Affiliates (CPUSA, DSAUSA, ISM, WWP, Assland, Mecha, CAIR, Muslim Brotherhood, NOI, etc). I think that the "immigration issue" is simply a call to suckers in support of their agenda.

It's not about race, it's about property and individual rights. You have it, the commies want to take it from you. I am not fooled.

93 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:50:43am

#91 Obi-wan

Hades no! Put a fork in it.

94 bj  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:50:50am

I trust this marching group and it's hangers-on, fringe element, terrorist wannabes will be heavily ZOMBIED for our viewing pleasure!

95 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:52:12am

Did anybody else here get the email from GOP Chairman Ken Mehlman, with the survey in it (Subject: We Want to Hear from You)?

Dear (Ward),

You've heard from us. Now, we want to hear from you.

As we formulate our strategy to win in November, we need your opinion. Enclosed in this e-mail is your official Republican Grassroots Voices Survey. Please take a moment to share your opinion on...

The most important priority facing our nation... why it's important that we retain our Republican majorities in November... how you'd like to get involved online... where you get your news... and anything else - by sharing your thoughts at the end of the survey.

Please be sure to return the survey as soon as possible. We will be sharing your thoughts with our leaders in Congress for their action. Your answers will be used to formulate a blueprint for victory in 2006 and 2008.

Politics is changing - and new technology empowers you to connect with our Party's leaders and elected representatives at the click of a button. Take a moment to fill out this important survey and tell our Party's leaders what you think.


Sincerely,

Ken Mehlman

I'm not a Party member (have never offically joined), but I started getting their mail by signing up on W's site back in 2004. I'm getting ready to fill out the survey, and tear them a new one.

96 Dave the.....  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:52:20am

#92 SOL


Oh so right. It's just the cause of the day, or the front to use as an excuse to protest, for all the usual left wing groups.

97 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:52:24am
98 Dr. Mabuse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:56:52am

Well, of course! 'The enemy of my enemy' and all that. Parasitism is second nature to Islam, of course they'll hop on any bandwagon that's heading in the direction of the West's destruction. While there, they'll probably be taking notes of who in the crowd is carrying a rosary or wearing a cross, in order to earmark them for future slaughter, once their usefulness is exhausted.

99 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:57:12am
100 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:57:58am
101 Lazarus  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:00:28am

Allahu Akbar! Viva la raza! Sieg Heil! Did I miss anything?

102 Sol Roth  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:00:59am

#96 Dave the... 4/28/2006 10:52AM PDT

#92 SOL


Oh so right. It's just the cause of the day, or the front to use as an excuse to protest, for all the usual left wing groups.

And if you believe that it is just a collection (collective, hive mind) of people simply thinking the same thing without being immunized against the meme of collectivism, then you are discounted (illogically), discredited (fallaciously) and dismissed.

e.g. McCarthyite

It takes a strong will and a solid sense of individualism to stay the course. Good luck to you.

103 EmeraldLakeEyes  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:01:34am

#97 TFK

Unions in Boston, MA are doing the same thing.

104 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:01:52am

#98 Dr. Mabuse, yes, hence my [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] in response to Fjordman's first post for this thread's topic.

The question needs to be asked.

105 KevinV  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:03:11am

I don't see any significant difference between this and the views expressed by the President of the United States. Perhaps Bush should join the march?

HOW DO WE VIEW IMMIGRATION REFORM?
The United States has always been a nation of immigrants, but today the country has more than 33 million foreign-born residents, the largest number since the US Census started keeping such statistics in 1850. In 2003, foreign-born residents made up 11.7 percent of the population, the highest percentage since 1910. And over the past 16 years, the newcomers, many of them undocumented, have poured into places in the South and Midwest that have not seen sizeable numbers of new immigrants in generations.

On December 16, 2005, the House of Representatives passed HR 4437, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005. The bill was introduced by Congressman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-WI). The Sensenbrenner bill is an inadequate enforcement-only bill that fails to address comprehensive immigration reform. In particular, it does not include any provision for a guest worker program, an earned legalization program, nor a reduction in the backlogs for family-based immigration. Instead, the bill criminalizes undocumented people for unlawful presence in the United States, and criminalizes people who work or volunteer with faith-based organizations for helping someone in need, who turns out to be undocumented.

106 Prester John  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:04:11am

#101 How about "shamalamadingdong"?

107 Beagle  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:04:15am
Islam’s message is one of social justice, economic fairness, and fair treatment in the workplace.


They certainly know how to tailor the message to whichever group they're trying to deceive.

RP

They're all about "family values" when trying to dhimmify or convert the other side. Now it's "social justice." Tomorrow it will be "women's rights" or "peace."

But usually it's kill the Jews, Christian dogs, Rafidites, polytheists, Crusaders, pigs and monkeys, Zionists, did we mention Jews? And so on...

No lie too far.

108 OceansideCon  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:04:33am

Let's start calling the illegal immigrants insurgents.

109 tigger2005  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:04:54am

Maybe we should give the illegals California. Sell lots of worthless desert land to legal Californians, and move them out. Then, use our Handy-Dandy Earthquake Maker, last used to cause the tsunami, to set off the San Andreas fault and dump California into the sea. BONUS: Hollywood gone forever! DOUBLE BONUS: The worthless desert land becomes valuable beachfront property!

I have to give credit to Lex Luthor for inspiring this diabolical scheme.

110 OceansideCon  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:06:37am

109 tigger2005
There are LOTS of us good Conservatives here in California. Why should be give up all this nice real estate?

111 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:08:19am

What Northeast Texas county?


Further East, less a chance for a washout.


Scattered showers before, but humongous squall line wash-out probably holds off DFW area until after midnight.

Best chances for tornadoes are further West, in the Big Country, South of I-20, mainly, before individual supercells merge into a linear MCS (squall line), while afternoon heating still adding to instability.

Some severe storms forming near I-20 West of DFW North of warm front- somewhat elevated, so mainly hailers. But cells forming in dry slot, in warms ector near intersection of cold front, warm front and dry line, aka, the "Triple Point", as seen on Lubbock radar loop, will likely contain tornadoes.

112 tigger2005  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:08:41am

# 110

Read more closely. We sell you desert land dirt cheap. California falls into the ocean, and your dirt cheap land zooms up hundreds of times in value.

113 tigger2005  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:10:21am

# 112 cont.

Actually, make that thousands of times in value. If not millions.

114 Lazarus  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:11:02am

#106 Prester John

#101 How about "shamalamadingdong"?

Oh, yeah, I forgot, that used to be Idi Amin's war cry. Or was it Pol Pot?

115 Jack Reacher  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:11:08am
The Qur’an urges the proper treatment and respect of workers.

As we say here on LGF, linky, please, CAIR.

116 JustMyView  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:12:52am

Just one comment: I don't believe that any of the proposals put forward---either in Congress or by immigrant groups---call for instant citizenship.

Most call for some combination of:
- payment of back taxes
- payment of a fine
- demonstration of at least modest skills in English
- passing an exam having to do w/ citizenship
- being free of arrests or other evidence of wrongdoing
- going to "the back of the line"

Not exactly sure what the last item means, and the specifics differ across different proposals, but all that I've heard require meeting several criteria and envision a lengthy process. Instant citizenship does not seem to be on the table.

117 CommonSense  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:13:31am

Here's a question, why ot arrest the illegals as the march.

118 Bungaloebill  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:13:50am

Well, on the plus side, when the Caliphate replaces the Constitution, the country may be such an unpleasant place to live that the illegal immigration may finally stop.

119 OceansideCon  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:14:17am

I agree the land value would increase. What I do not agree with is the idea that we should give them anything - especially California.
I do not want to buy "new" desert land - I want to enjoy the land I already own.

120 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:14:58am
121 CommonSense  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:15:22am
The Qur’an urges the proper treatment and respect of workers.

Does that include contract workers in Iraq that get kinapped and beheaded?

122 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:15:47am

Target-rich environment. Notice how they rally around the marxist slogans.

123 Lazarus  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:16:03am

#115 Jack Reacher

The Qur’an urges the proper treatment and respect of workers work accidents.

As we say here on LGF, linky, please, CAIR.

I think it got garbled in translation.

124 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:16:11am
On December 16, 2005, the House of Representatives passed HR 4437, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005. The bill was introduced by Congressman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-WI). The Sensenbrenner bill is an inadequate enforcement-only bill that fails to address comprehensive immigration reform. In particular, it does not include any provision for a guest worker program, an earned legalization program, nor a reduction in the backlogs for family-based immigration.

Shocking!

A bill whose purpose was to tighten control on illegal immigration for better protection against terrorism didn't include programs that ease immigration.

Instead, the bill criminalizes undocumented people for unlawful presence in the United States

In their world, were illegal aliens not illegal before this particular bill?

How mean to "criminalize" people for unlawful behaviour.

125 CommonSense  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:16:26am
The United States has always been a nation of add legal immigrants
126 maddog44  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:17:56am

#110 Oceanside Con
Hey, I lived on the left coast for 8 years, and I gotta tell ya, I'd make that trade!:)

127 tigger2005  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:18:02am

# 119 Oceanside

Good grief, it wasn't a serious proposal. I don't think the Handy-Dandy Earthquake Maker is approved for use on U.S. territory.

128 wargammer2005  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:18:41am

#33 Fjordman

most of ther people here agree with you

the problem is simple

our reps in goverment dont care, at least most of them dont.

it is an invasion.
congress and the president are asleep.

129 CommonSense  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:20:09am
As the Prophet Muhammad is quoted as saying, “None of you has faith unless you love for your brother what you love for yourself.”

Translated to you love to splodeydope yourself so splodeydope someone else while you are at it.

130 hippieforlife  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:21:13am

Miss Trixie

I am also very cranky today! I am to the point that I don't care that it would be difficult to round them up & send them home.
We need to start somewhere.

Also, the idea that all of the illegal aliens are honest, hard working people is totally stupid! The fact that they are here illegally eliminates honest right away. I can't think of any one group of people who are always honest and hard working. There are bad apples in every barrel.

Here in Washington state the headline today was an audit of DSHS that shows the good taxpayers in this state forked out about 1 BILLION dollars in aid to illegal aliens!

131 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:22:03am
132 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:23:16am
133 The Angel Michael  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:23:24am

#92 Sol Roth

"I am not fooled." ... me either!

I totally agree with you, collectivists of all ilks are, and have been, behind all these rallies.

134 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:24:00am
135 tigger2005  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:24:16am

# 131 AmInf

That's OK, the ACME Typhoon Generator is still a secret.


... whoops.

136 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:24:17am
137 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:24:43am

It feels so frustrating when you express your thoughts to your leaders and they act in a way opposite. Besides movements like the minutemen to patrol the border, what can regular people do to fight back against the invaders already here? It isn't like we can each kidnap one person and tote them back across the border. Not hiring them, not patronizing businesses that do hire them. Should we require proof of legal status for each worker before we hire someone to put on a new roof or add that sunroom? Maybe. As I said, frustrating.

138 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:25:17am

Okay fellow Lizards, here's what I typed into the "Please share any additional comments below" box:

I am EXTREMELY disappointed that President Bush thinks that it is more important to grant citizenship to illegal aliens than it is to secure our borders. I am even more upset now that I learn that Islamic terror front groups like the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), the Muslim Students Association (MSA), the Muslim American Society (MAS), and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) are planning to march alongside illegal aliens in Los Angeles this Monday (May 1). I feel as though the voices of the illegal aliens is valued more in the White House more than those of Americans.

I am also disappointed to see a "Republican" Congress that spends more freely than the Democratic Congresses before it.

We should also be fighting the "War on Terror" (it's really a war on radical Islam) more aggressively throughout the world.

I would also like to see the United Nations evicted from the US, and sent packing to some place like The Hague, Zurich, Paris, Vienna, or some other place where their naked anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism will be more in line with their host country.

I haven't decided whether to stay home on November 7th, and not vote, or hold my nose and again vote Republican. I have been a staunch Republican ever since I was first able to vote, and proudly cast my first presidential vote for Ronald Wilson Reagan in 1980, and I was genuinely excited to vote for my fellow Texan George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004. But, I have become very disillusioned with the GOP lately. Since taking control of the House and Senate following the midterm elections of 1994, the GOP has never exercised power in any way close to the iron grip the Democrats did for decades, and it shows, in that the GOP frequently seems to be cowed by the Democrats.

If the GOP representatives cannot stand for the values of the voters who put them there, what is the point in voting for them? If a true Conservative party were formed today, I would gladly join it. The Republican Party doesn't seem to be that party anymore.

I wonder if I'll still get email from them?

139 Logic  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:25:59am

Alamo Akhbar!

140 markmc  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:26:25am

I read somewhere LA county spent about 100 million in just freebie (for them) maternity care for illegals last year. California has a huge problem, starting with our coward traitor politicians.

141 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:31:42am
142 daughter of patriots  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:34:04am
As the Prophet Muhammad is quoted as saying, “None of you has faith unless you love for your brother what you love for yourself.”

Tell that to Daniel Pearl, et al beheaded martyrs for liberty & truth.

143 Prester John  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:34:55am

#137

Should we require proof of legal status for each worker before we hire someone to put on a new roof or add that sunroom?

That's exactly what you do. I did that a couple of days ago when I had someone come out to look a backyard deck and porch. I asked him if all he workers were legal and he said absolutely. Now then, he did finesse it a bit by saying all his guys were self-employed(thus avoiding the employer paid Soc Sec taxes), but who worked only for him. Given his company's reputation and the list of references he gave me I would have to believe that he has a permanent workforce and doesn't pick up a different group workers at the 7-11 every morning.

I can't wait until I get the estimate from him.

Sigh.

144 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:35:16am
145 tigger2005  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:35:34am

# 142 daughter

Well, considering that they love death, I guess they ARE following the Golden Rule.

146 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:36:01am

More trouble with aliens

Astronomers have been observing 73P/Schwassmann-Wachmann 3, a comet that circles the Sun every 5.4 years, for more than 75 years and are confident that any of the icy object’s fragments will remain at least a distant 5.5 million miles (8.8 million kilometers) from Earth — more than 20 times the distance to the moon —at closest approach between May 12 and May 28.

See? Don't even need a fence.

147 Asylum Aleikum  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:36:14am

This is no laughing matter... ~80% of illegal immigrants are Latinos. I suspect that the remaining 2-2.5 million include a large number of [bigoted word]s.

148 Poimanester  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:36:32am
Islam’s message is one of social justice, economic fairness, and fair treatment in the workplace. The Qur’an urges the proper treatment and respect of workers.

Unless of course you are an Iraqi policeman, soldier, school teacher, merchant...yada, yada, yada.

149 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:38:45am

Maybe we'll have to give some of them amnesty eventually, but fer crying out lloud, build the fence first.

IIRC, the Senate version of the bill makes even convicted felons eligible for citizenship. That won't do. If we do give some form of amnesty, it better be saved for illegals who lived like choir-boys.

But any kind of amnesty, before the fence is up, will just encourage more illegals.

150 JustMyView  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:39:13am

#138 Ward Cleaver

I wonder if I'll still get email from them?


Yes, you will get mail from them for several years after you are dead.

I don't know, by the way, that GWB has indicated that it is more important to grant citizenship to illegal aliens than to secure our borders. I think his position is that securing our borders is paramount, but that w/o some procedures that provide for regularization of current and future immigrants, it will be more or less impossible to do so. At least that's the impression I've gotten.

151 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:41:15am

No point in baling out the boat until the hole is plugged.

152 JustMyView  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:42:41am

#149 Ed

IIRC, the Senate version of the bill makes even convicted felons eligible for citizenship. That won't do. If we do give some form of amnesty, it better be saved for illegals who lived like choir-boys.


No, that's incorrect. I'm not sure about people who have convicted of misdemeanors, but convicted felons would not be eligible for citizenship under any of the proposed legislation.

153 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:43:02am

#151 Peacekeeper, no? It's easy. Just declare the water in the hold is air. Instant freeboard.

154 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:45:13am

Roger.
Riiight. I have to learn more about nuance.

155 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:45:20am

I don't understand the logic that says because there are undoubtedly illegals whom we will never feasibly be able to find and deport that we'll therefore have to make them legal someday.

156 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:46:24am

Bloggus interruptus: work again. Inconvenient dang it!

157 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:46:33am
158 tigger2005  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:48:12am

We need to see every single illegal at these protests arrested and deported.

But, of course, we won't. The California Senate is on their side. They dig being invaded! It's like the Vichy French!

Bush is on their side! (But before you question his patriotism, remember he said he doesn't want the National Anthem sung in Spanish!)

When American patriots have finally had enough and take up arms, it will be too late. They'll be branded as racists and criminals, hunted down, and imprisoned.

159 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:48:24am
160 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:49:54am

#157 taxfree

We have chosen a fence design that is based on the Israeli fences in Gaza and on the West Bank

Heh.

161 Terp Mole  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:50:28am

Islamo-fascists protest Hispanic Christian speaker at Riverside Community College;

Muslims and Christians Hold Dueling Rallies at RCC

[A] member of Faith Defenders, Luis Zepeda, raised the ire of about three-dozen Muslim women in attendance when he said, "Islam means that freedom of expression, freedom of religion is not allowed."
---
As Zepeda spoke, about a dozen young Muslim women held signs that read "The Hijab Does Not Oppress Women" and "Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion in U.S."
---
"I drove my car here from Corona," she said. As Zepeda continued to discuss his interpretation of the Surah, the protesters inched closer and tried to shout him down. A half-dozen college police officers stood nearby.

Zepeda's supporters demanded that he be allowed to finish and began singing "God Bless America."

162 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:50:51am

Bandera County now in tornado watch area.

I think, however, the Friday party started early at SPC.


DISCUSSION...SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS EXPECTED TO RAPIDLY DEVELOP ALONG/E OF DRY LINE WRN PORTION OF WW. WITH VERY UNSTABLE AIR MASS AVAILABLE AND FAVORABLE VEERING WIND PROFILES AHEAD OF STRONG UPPER TROUGH...SUPERCELLS ARE EXPECT WITH ANY SUPERCELL.


Well, duh!


163 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:51:01am
164 Prester John  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:52:57am

OT, but this morning Fox News pointed out that after their "bash Big Oil" photo op at an Exxon station near the Capitol, Chuckie Shumer and Wawa Boxer each drove off in different vehicles--Boxer in a SUV and Chuckie in a Hyundai.

Oh, and the station was supposedly a block away from their offices.

165 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:53:52am

IIRC, before Kyl-Cornyn amendments (which Senate rejected), while certain violent felons, rapists and murderers, would be ineligible for citizenship, felons convicted of crimes such as weapons charges, assault and drug possession and distribution charges would be eligible.

166 foreign devil  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:54:11am

I'm awfully tired of the Muslims having a say in every single damn issue that comes along.

Tell me again: WHAT RACE ARE MUSLIMS?

167 Terp Mole  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:03:01am

Black Panther lynch mob marches on Duke;

Panther group plans to visit Duke

The national chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense says his group intends to march at Duke University on Monday to "deal directly" with lacrosse players about charges of rape of an escort service dancer at a team party.

Duke's campus police are coordinating with the Durham Police Department to prepare for the black-separatist group, which has a reputation for coming to its protests armed.

Malik Zulu Shabazz, a Washington lawyer who is the leader of the New Panthers, said he will be in Durham to rally with local black leaders and monitor progress of the criminal case against Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann, the two students charged with raping and kidnapping the dancer.

"We are conducting an independent investigation, and we intend to enter the campus and interview lacrosse players," Shabazz said Thursday. "We seek to ensure an adequate, strong and vigorous prosecution."

Zulu Translation:
interview = intimidate/harrass
vigorous prosecution = assault/lynch

Pro-terror Duke should have no problem welcoming these cats.

"Kill every goddamn Zionist in Israel! Goddamn little babies, goddamn old ladies! Blow up Zionist supermarkets!"
[ Malik Zulu Shabazz ]
168 Pro-Bush Canuck  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:03:02am

I keep reading on this site and others like it how American people are exceptionally opposed to illegal immigration. Yet nothing is even proposed as a long-term solution except more amnesties and more border-crossing illegal immigrants.

If even George Bush will not confront this issue then how can anyone realistically expect anything else to happen?

We've been living with French demands in Canada for several centuries. Looks like you are going to have to get used to a similar arrangement (or worse) if the current inaction is any indication of what's to come.

Energía en números.

169 peabody  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:05:40am

WHY SHOULD MUSLIMS GET INVOLVED?
Islam’s message is one of social justice, economic fairness, and fair treatment in the workplace


OK so this first sentance makes me want to vomit. It's completely clear the communists are now propagandizing for the muslims in exchange for thier political currency. Maybe they will "revolution" the US to return the favor. So I just want to lay this straight..

Socil Justice - Is this something like Dhimmitude?

Economic Fairness - Is that when you spend your entire life raiding caravans and pillaging cities? Or is that when you take 50% of your minions plundering for soothing their consciousness that those people they raped and murdered and stole from were not as important as his followers.

Fair treatment in the workplace - Fair treatment between muslim men right? I mean, women don't belong in the workplace, and non-muslims are slaves... right?

yes, islam is certainly founded on these noble principles.

/sarcasm

170 JustMyView  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:09:08am

#164 Prester John

OT, but this morning Fox News pointed out that after their "bash Big Oil" photo op at an Exxon station near the Capitol, Chuckie Shumer and Wawa Boxer each drove off in different vehicles--Boxer in a SUV and Chuckie in a Hyundai.

Oh, and the station was supposedly a block away from their offices.

WaPo had a funny piece on this yesterday, but it's a bipartisan shot. On today's homepage, there's also been a picture of Dennis Hastert doing some photo up in a low-mileage vehicle and shifting to his armored SUV after the photoshoot was over. Note, though, that pictures on the web site change frequently, so it might not still be there. If you want to see it, you can search oh his name and click on "Day in Photos."

171 Doss  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:09:34am

Amnesty would mean granting citizenship to people from terrorist-supporting countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia who snuck over the US/Mexico border. And, why would a Yemeni pay $30,000 - $50,000 to be brought across the border? If they've got that kind of money, it's safe to assume that they're not going to be mowing lawns or doing construction when they get here.
From 2001:


The Agua Prieta, Mexico newspaper, El Ciarin, clearly did not agree with Balaguer's assessment. The editor, Jose Noriega Durazo, claimed in a front-page El Ciarin headline, "ESTUVIERON AQUI TERRORISTAS ARABES!" (The Arab terrorists were here!) El Ciarin quoted Agua Prieta police officials as identifying the 13 Yemenis as terrorists. Reportedly, the Mexican immigration police returned the Yemenis to a federal detention center near Mexico City, but new information would indicate that they were "released" and returned to Agua Prieta.

Carlos X. Carrillo, assistant chief U. S. Border Patrol, Tucson Sector, told WorldNetDaily in a telephone interview Monday that nine Yemenis were reportedly holed up in a hotel in the border town of Agua Prieta, Sonora, Mexico, across the border from Douglas, Ariz.

"We have passed this tip to the FBI," said Carrillo.

When pressed for more information, he said he could not confirm the number of OTMs or Middle-Easterners apprehended while crossing the American/Mexican border. "We are under OP/SEC and cannot divulge this," the chief said. (OP/SEC is a counter-intelligence acronym for operations security.)

A Border Patrol field patrol agent, who spoke anonymously, confirmed the presence of the nine Yemenis. The agent said, "They can't get a coyote to transport them and they are offering $30,000 per person with no takers."

On Oct. 12, a Mexican national, associated with the hotel in Agua Prieta, abandoned it and moved to Arizona -- to hide out. Speaking on condition of anonymity, he told WND: "There were 13 Arabs there when I left. They were paying the coyotes 30 to 50,000 bucks, apiece, to transport them safely into the U.S. I became so frightened I left. They are genuinely bad hombres." Since Carrillo had reported only nine Arabs at the hotel, it is unclear if the missing five Yemenis made it into the U.S. as reported.

Another article :

Take for example, the capture of terrorist suspect Jose Padilla. The Justice Department says Padilla and an accomplice planned to enter the U.S. thru Mexico to blow up apartment buildings in major cities, like New York.

Or the case of suspected al-Qaeda sleeper agent Mohammed Junaid Babar.

Babar has told investigators of a scheme to smuggle terrorists across the Mexican border. He's tied to a terror plot to carry out bombings and assassinations in London.

Colonel Anderson says these Special Interest Aliens originate in the Middle East or Northeast Asia. They travel through Spain to what's called the tri-border area of Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay, then, to Mexico City.

They pay to learn Spanish language skills, and by the time they reach the U.S., they're acting and talking like Mexicans to fool border agents.

And don't forget that Mara Salvatrucha has been reported to have ties to terrorist organizations.

172 descolada9  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:12:10am

does this mean there will be random suicide bombings during the demonstrations? forgive me, but that might actually be kind of funny!

173 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:13:09am
174 hippieforlife  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:25:29am

#166

For that matter, what race are Latinos?

175 Poimanester  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:38:02am
They anounced today that Memorial Day week 30 days from now there will be a groundbreaking on the "private" American Peoples Fence, to be built with donations and by donated labor and materials,, its the American way, same old "personal responsibility" that caused the firsr revolution in 1775, so leave this blog,
go to the one above and give a few bucks

Well, well, well. Things are looking up. I may have to saunter on over to the fence project and check it out. This is great news. The money I used to donate toward Republican candidates will be better used on the fence project.

176 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:41:09am

#50 Peacekeeper

The battle against illegal mexicans was lost twenty years ago.

Maybe not, but I think this is definitely the last stand, or the last chance to remain a sovereign nation with a right to decide who comes here.

If we do what W wants, then twenty years from now there'll be 30 million or more new illegals and no chance that a president or congress will do anything but grant citizenship to all the new lawbreakers.

The decision being made now is really: sovereign nation or open borders.

I'm beyond sick of W, no matter what he does on the WoT. If not for the WoT, he'd be the most despised Republican president of the past century, despised by those who put him in office, whom he has almost totally betrayed with his policies.

177 m  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:43:43am

#159 american infidel

No machine guns?

Who are you and what have you done with ai?

178 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:43:50am

Except for 9/11, Mohammed Atta and his gang would be in line for citizenship under W's plan, and the Kennedy/McCain plan.

179 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:55:52am
180 mad_scientist  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:57:50am

These a**holes want to close down our cities with their protests and cause as much chaos as possible.

Now they are teaming up with the Slims'? And these are the people who want amnesty, who want to milk the US out of every dollar we have.

Deport them all...bastards.

181 m  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:58:16am

Sorry ai~ I agree with all that.

Where in the world did you get the idea that I would not?

182 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:58:57am

George Clooney: Warrior against ISlamofascism?

183 mad_scientist  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:59:35am
migrant suicide bombers. they'll receice 72 welfare checks in heaven

Now that's funny, kind of morbid, but funny nonetheless.

184 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:01:20am

#38 American Infidel

"They don't want to be Americans Mr. President, don't you get it?!?!?!?"

I don't know if he gets it or not. But he's totally wrong on this issue. Does he have any idea how many illegals DO NOT want to become American citizens? They openly say "I'm Mexican. I'm only here for the work." They have no desire whatsoever to assimilate, much less become citizens. This is Bush's biggest failure, and will likely be the issue that identifies his presidency. And that issue spells FAILURE! For all the good he's done re: WOT (stupid name by the way: who ever heard of declaring war on a tactic?), when all is said and done, he will be identified to history as the president who surrendered the sovereignty of the United States to a foreign elelment. I just don't understand the man on this issue. Does Vicente Fox have compromising photos of him or something?

185 m  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:02:09am

#182 Peacekeeper

Well I'll be damned. WoW.

186 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:02:16am

Wouldn't it be interesting if thousands of illegals take the day off to show us how much we need them, and no one notices they are gone?

Or better yet, if some of their supporters among the citizens who believe that we need them have their minds changed by the lack of deprivation.

With a lot of free time on their hands, watch for long lines at free government services.

187 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:04:08am

#182 Peacekeeper, maybe Clooney can send them old scripts of 'Three Kings" as solutions manuals.

188 EE  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:04:33am

Could it be that they are looking for disaffected people? That's perhaps why they go after the people who are in jail, to convert them and garner people for the cause of jihad. Perhaps they feel that in the community of illegals they can get some that don't owe much or any loyalty to America, so they can be ripe for conversion and for jihad.

189 m  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:05:41am

#184 hiker

This morning, a local radio station was discussing the anthem in Spanish and all that jazz, and one of them said that when they come here, they should learn English.

(You won't find a cardiologist in America that doesn't speak English, or a lawyer, or successful businessman...)

He said the lack of English was weighing them down. Of course the next call was a mexican calling him a nazi.

190 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:06:41am

Clooney cn't be advocating military force. The bad guys there are Islamofascists - so logically he should be running around yelling no blood for oil!. He's got some issues to work out.

191 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:06:48am

#184 hiker

They have no desire whatsoever to assimilate, much less become citizens.

Or they would like to be citizens here, but of an entirely different country than the one we are now.

192 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:08:17am
193 m  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:09:14am

HELL YEAH! If you can find one where I said anything like that you win!

194 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:10:07am

Ai
If she wants to bury that hatchet don't use her head.

195 m  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:10:10am

Please please please!

I have never, EVER said to give them whatever they want. I've always said make illegals leave. Oh this will be fun!

Come on ai~ show me!

196 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:11:22am

#91 Obi Wan

"It's called the Libertarian Party."

They are for open borders and unlimited immigration!

197 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:11:50am
198 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:12:24am
199 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:14:20am
200 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:16:10am

LOL...MEOW...LOL...

201 Prester John  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:16:13am

#197 As I recall it was Bush 41 who was referring to Jeb's children. Regarding Bush 43's affection for Hispanics, he has hispanic nieces and nephews as noted above and he was Governor of Texas. That probably explains a lot.

202 m  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:20:29am

199 American Infidel

Didn't you think that was at least a lil bit funny?!?

Absolutely hilarious!

(Couldn't find one, huh? Cause there aren't any.)

:D

203 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:21:06am
204 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:22:05am
205 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:22:46am
206 m  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:22:51am

Happy hunting!

207 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:22:52am

American Infidel #197

I think el President Bush has a soft spot for the peoples of brown or olive skin...(I forget which term he used)...

That might be part of it, but he also never saw a free trade agreement he didn't like, or anything else he didn't like with free market or free trade attached to the description.

This isn't said too often, or too loudly, but real free trade/free market people say if we have free movement of capital, we must also have a free movement of labor. That might be part of el Presidente's attitude toward illegal immigration, and it's definitely a part of it for all those who want to keep the supply of labor in excess of demand, thus keeping it cheap.

208 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:23:29am

#110 Oceanside Con

"There are LOTS of us good Conservatives here in California. Why should be give up all this nice real estate?"

Then, damn it, do something to save your state! Los Angeles is no longer an American city, and the state government is hell bent on turning eveything over to foreign interests. And what are the real patriots in California doing? Nothing, from what I see and hear (and I'm originally from California, and still have family and friends there; and, you know what they're doing? They're talking about leaving! They feel they've been betrayed by their politicians and leaders, and they are getting ready to pack! They feel they are so outnumbered that it's suicide to try and resist so many assaults from so many quarters; and what hurts them the most, is that they have been betrayed by their own leaders).

209 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:24:03am

Here kitty kitty...

210 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:24:25am
211 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:25:22am

Woohooo! See you cats later, it's quitting time in shangri-la.

212 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:27:49am

#201 Prester John

#197 As I recall it was Bush 41 who was referring to Jeb's children. Regarding Bush 43's affection for Hispanics, he has hispanic nieces and nephews as noted above and he was Governor of Texas. That probably explains a lot.

Probably so, and for any citizen not in favor of open borders, I think in future predidential elections, much as it pains me to borrow a phrase for the Reverend, we better take Jesse Jackson's advice from now on and "Stay out the Bushes!"

Anybody think Jeb would enforce our southern border?

213 Prester John  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:28:04am

#203 Perhaps. The only comments that I distinctly remember was Bush Senior regarding the grandkids--and boy did he catch hell from the MSM for it, and boy he dished hell right back at them. And then the MSM shut up.

Rather refreshing actually.

214 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:28:08am
215 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:28:33am

Wooo Hooo American Infidel!

Happy Weekend Peacekeeper!

I'm almost outta here! Month end is wrapping up nicely.

Whew.

216 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:29:36am
217 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:30:58am
218 3 wood  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:32:30am

#206 m

Happy hunting!

Oh geez, AI can't even keep straight what she says.

219 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:36:38am

#158 Tigger2005

"When American patriots have finally had enough and take up arms, it will be too late. They'll be branded as racists and criminals, hunted down, and imprisoned."

Well, it's likely to come to that. There are a lot of Americans who are ready to take back their country. It's going to get dicey here sooner than most realize, I'm afraid.

220 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:36:43am

American Infidel ~

You are leaving at 4?!?

Well, probably 4:30, it's getting closer and best of all, my work is beautifully, splendidly done!

221 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:37:43am

#159 American Infidel

Actually, your proposal has merit.

222 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:38:02am
223 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:39:40am
224 m  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:39:53am

#218 3 wood

Well she's certainly not going to find me saying anything about helping out illegals. Quite the opposite.

ai~ my son has a ballgame tonight, so I'm leaving early. I'll check back later though.

Again~ Good luck!

:D :D :D

225 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:41:13am

#221 hiker ~

American Infidel
Actually, your proposal has merit.

Yep, I heard Newt Gingrich talking one evening and he was saying some of the same things; disincentives will work and start the illegals on their way back home.

226 3 wood  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:41:28am

3214 AI

I have heard of this b.s. idea of:


we must also have a free movement of labor

Actually, there were a few articles about it and quite recently too...None of them were remotely positive when it came to this concept, when I scanned their contents...

I did not pay too much attention to it because I did not think that it is something that EL PRESIDENTE Bush believed in or was gung ho about...

Hmmm...Now, I shall have to remember where I found them and re-read them...

*bangs head against desk in frustration*

Try looking in an Econ 101 book from any local junior college near you. It's called "comparative advantage".

227 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:42:11am

#176 a.k.a. Will

"The decision being made now is really: sovereign nation or open borders."

Exactly.

228 Dustoff-507  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:42:24am

#110 Oceanside Con.

I was born and raised in San Diego back in the 50's & 60's.

I too left in the 90's. I just couldn't stand to see what was becoming of our once great state.

In a few years at the rate it's going, you'll have Mexico City North.

Just look at what the mexican gangs are doing to both LA and San Diego. )-:

229 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:45:27am
230 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:45:37am

#214 American Infidel

I did not pay too much attention to it because I did not think that it is something that EL PRESIDENTE Bush believed in or was gung ho about...

Any real free trader or free marketer believes that. But like many things associated with the debate of trade agreements, more is left unsaid than said by the advocates, especially the result that's expected: more US jobs to the cheap labor nations, then products shipped back to the US with lower tariffs than before the trade agreement.

And, maybe a few US companies benefit, but our trade deficit will skyrocket as it has with Mexico since NAFTA, from a surplus of $1 billion to a deficit of $50 billion.

231 TotallySirius  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:47:52am

I say send the INS to these protests and anyone who doesn't have a green card gets a free ride to Guadalahara.

232 Pro-Bush Canuck  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:50:41am

#231

It's not called the INS any more.

Everything's changed.

233 TotallySirius  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:51:09am

Anyone who says the USA can't move 20,000,000 people,I say

Why not?

If Mexico could do it,we sure as hell can!

234 dmjboose  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:52:02am
Islam’s message is one of social justice, economic fairness, and fair treatment in the workplace.

I assume they mean fair treatment only to men, because last i checked muslims want to cover women from head to toe.

235 maddog44  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:52:34am

#231 Totally Sirius

I say send the INS to these protests and anyone who doesn't have a green card gets a free ride to Guadalahara.

Guadalahara is too damn close. Send them down to the southern tip of South America, radio tag em' and see how long it takes for them to get back.

(well, it works on dolphins)

236 TotallySirius  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:55:10am

#235 maddog44

LOL

I like it,make it a migration experiment,we could fund it with NEA money.

It would be the first time a NEA grant went to anything useful.

237 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:56:18am
238 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:03:04pm
239 ladycatnip  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:04:18pm

#159

How about adding one more thing to your proposal:

We will calculate every penny spent on education, medicine, etc. on all illegals over the last 20 years; that will be deducted from foreign aid to Mexico and South American countries.

Maybe then they'll start taking care of their own.

240 3 wood  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:05:32pm

#237 AI

I will post here at LGF any time I feel like it as long as Charles allows me to, so you know where you can put that.

This is his blog, not yours.

Boy, when someone calls you on your silliness, you sure get upset.

Rave on.

241 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:10:37pm
8:29 AM ET 4/28/06
U.S. Q1 EMPLOYMENT COST INDEX LOWEST SINCE Q1 '99

This is the title of an article I read this morning at Marketwatch.com. I can't link the article because only the title shows now. But this was great news for Wall Street and the Federal Reserve. Labor costs the lowest since the first quarter of 1999. Less inflation for the bondholders to worry about and more profit for business and shareholders.

Keep those borders open W. Quite a few want those pesky labor costs (income to the workers, what they live on) as low as possible and those illegals sure do the trick.

242 W-lover  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:11:56pm

Hey {3 wood}!

Join the club.

243 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:12:21pm
244 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:14:37pm
245 backhoe  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:20:35pm

I have been covering, ( Or, as FReeper Seamole calls it...-backhoe's pseudoblog--... ) psuedo-blogging, for years, a couple of the elements in WWIV ( III being the Cold War ), in which we find ourselves engaged.

The first element?


-Islam, a Religion of Peace®? Some links...--

The other, somewhat interlocking element is this one:


-Thunder on the Border-- (Minuteman Project)--

What is happening under the radar is that the alien lobby, certain elements of radical Islam, and some on the Left share common goals, tactics, and exploitations of our system and society.

246 3 wood  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:21:22pm

#242 Dubluv

Join the club.

Quite a few in the room, I notice.

Well, I've been called a fool by Gordon, got my name mangled twice by TFK...guess I hit the trifecta.

247 amyc  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:21:53pm

241 akawill. Great news indeed, eh? And with no need to build any new refineries with profits (I still say the government will build them, calling it a national defense project), the oil companies can pay their shareholders and CEOs nicely as well.

248 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:22:32pm

Oh my... No, I dont have time to perform an exorcism right now!

...I'll come back tommorow. maybe.

249 W-lover  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:24:28pm
250 W-lover  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:24:58pm

{Babba}! LOL!

251 alegrias  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:25:52pm

Good News~! Expect a big rush back into Mexico for people who want to use recreational hallucinogenics and other lifestyle substances...

Mexico's Congress has voted to allow folks to use stuff!

(from [Link: www.foxnews.com...] website)

Bwa hahah, our libs might leave our country for LaLa Mexico too.

252 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:27:00pm
253 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:29:34pm

#251 algreis

decriminalizing the carrying of small quantities of marijuana, ecstasy, cocaine and even heroin.

Well, that should take care of any drop in tourism after Wilma hit Cancun and Cozumel.

254 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:33:28pm

#247 amyc

241 akawill. Great news indeed, eh? And with no need to build any new refineries with profits (I still say the government will build them, calling it a national defense project), the oil companies can pay their shareholders and CEOs nicely as well.

They'll probably eventually solve our refinery capacity problem by building a few just across our southern border. Cheap labor, fewer environmental restrictions, short transportation distances, etc. It's a win/win for Mexico and Wall Street. New jobs attract Mexicans from the inland to the border, where they work a few months, then head north for greener pastures.

That's been the main result of the maquiladora (sp?) project that was supposed to solve the illegal immigration problem years ago. Then NAFTA was going to solve it, but instead greatly increased illegal immigration by putting marginal Mexican farmers out of business.

Nothing happens the way our free traders say it will. They're either fools or geniuses who know exactly what will happen, but tell us the opposite when trade agreements are being debated.

255 maddog44  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:35:44pm

#253 Silhouette
Surely you jest! SanFrancisco will clear out and all of the LLLs' will "head for the border" in a sort of pot headed migration. The Mexicans will demand border control and immediately erect a 10' tall fence!

256 kansas  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:39:29pm

So what can the average Joe or Jane do?
I suggest that on May 5th, we have
Cinco de Who Givesashit.

Go out, drink American Beer, have a burger.
Then for the rest of the year, celebrate

No Habla Espanol.

No Taco Bell
No Mexican Food
No Mexican Beer

Hey, get used to it.

Might be hard, at least no one will miss
Marachi Bands. Right?

257 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:41:16pm

#252 American Infidel

Si, EL PRESIDENTE Bush and the "money cult" (as TFK calls them) want to assure that the CEOs continue receiving $400 million retirement packages...

And they'll probably keep it up until they've made citizens of so many illegals that the new citizens vote to nationalize all corporations.
Poetic justice, but a disaster. But the Latinos do have a socialists bent, and Mexico seems poised to elect a socialist president to succeed Bush's best amigo.

But as I said above, I believe this is the last stand. We either stop this nonsense and remain a sovereign nation, or there'll never be another opportunity to do it peacefully through our elected reps (those that aren't too bought and paid for).

258 reader  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:43:17pm

I don't see this problem ever going away until we go after employers, and impose serious fines, instead of slaps on the wrists and while they and everyone else looks the other way, including the federals that are swooping in on some businesses in some recent high-profile busts, playing catch-and-release with the illegal employees.

Half of all illegals come into this country through legal means. I hear the argument, over and over, that Americans won't do certain jobs. That's pure propaganda. Yesterday I heard about the meat packing industry (on Lou Dobbs' show), an industry that has been used, along with the agricultural industry, as the model for this argument. The real facts behind it are it used to be a pretty well-paying industry, with the average job paying $19/hour. Today, its down to $9/hour, largely because of illegal immigrant labor. Overall, its estimated illegals have cost the country $200,000,000,000 in depressed wages. That's in addition to all the costs incurred on our healthcare, education, prison systems, with many borders states going completely broke, while citizen taxpayers are forced to carry the burden, the same citizens that are now being told to sit down and shut up, lest they be called racist, nevermind the fact that Americans have traditionally been the most generous nation, with regard to immigrants. Meanwhile, they're still flooding in, to the tune of 3-5 million a year, and the Mexican leaders, the lying phonies who masquerade as civil rights leaders try to shame us into dimunition.

259 Silly Putty  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:45:07pm

Interoffice Communication:

TO: All proposed participants at Anti American, pro-illegal immigrant rallys scheduled on or about 5/1/06

FROM: Your big assed boss

RE: Rally scheduled during work hours

To all concerned:

Please accept this communication as advance notice of our intent to terminate you for cause in the event you fail to report to your scheduled duty station and/or department on 5/1/06. We understand today's climate of a multi cultural environment and have done all we can to accommodate your various and sundry requests to date, including but not limited to:

Prayer rugs in breakrooms.. a trip hazard which has resulted in the filing of over 535 WC claims to date.

Paid time off and the resultant interruption in production in order for you to accommodate your religious needs.

Provision for 14 sick days per year for days when you "just don't feel like doin'it".

Complete and utter elimination of the words: Christmas, Easter, Hannukah, and Passover from all texts, cubicles, work stations and bathrooms; refer back to the last invitation to our "Holiday Party".

Special privileges in our company subsidized lunch facility which has recently eliminated any semblance of pork from its menu.

Special considerations for those who desire to don religious garb whilst working on production lines; we incurred additional costs to ensure that your 'garb' doesn't get caught, snagged or ripped off on one of our American made machines during your shift.

Special consideration for your chosen language, which resulted in our reprinting of our HR manual which now includes Spanish, French, English, Arabic and Italian.

Special consideration for males of the muslim faith who, upon even a slight glance at an un-veiled female would spark a rape during business hours on company property. All females are now completely covered in burka, or in the alternative (at female's discretion) a plain white sheet with only slits for eyes.

Special consideration for siestas. Every day from 12pm-3pm we have shut down for siestas, which resulted in over 2.6M in lost production.

To date, our firm has gone above and beyond its multicultural call of duty, and hereby must inform you, that should you be AWOL on or about 5/1/06, you will... be fired.

disclaimer: This message is not intended to offend anyone, at any time, for any reason, for any purpose. If you are offended by this interoffice communique, you are cordially invited to FOAD. Now get back to work, you lazy, demanding, ungrateful, slovenly sonsobitches.

The Management.

260 amyc  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:45:23pm

Boortz is very good on the border, and has interesting opinions on lots of stuff. I highly recommend his website.

[Link: boortz.com...]

He is a bit off on the oil thing, but definitely hits on the fact that congress and the envirowhackos drove this train to where it is now.

261 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:49:41pm
262 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:52:32pm

My proposal:

1. Build a double fence along at least the critical 700 miles, but preferably the entire southern border. Hire more border control agents and utilize available technology to assist the effort.

2. Strict enforcement at the employer level, with fines and prison terms. Hire additional personnel to enforce, either Border Patrol, IRS, or both. Work out fool-proof SSN verification.

3. No amnesty, and deport illegals as they are encountered, but no major round-up effort. Just let 1 and 2 work it out gradually, along with contiual deportations.

4. No large increase in legal immigration or work permits.

5. Those merely born in US no longer become citizens. Must be the child of legal citizens.

6. Cut-off all benefits to illegals except emergency medical care.

263 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:52:51pm

We the People could use a little more of a referendum approach to many governing issues.

264 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:56:20pm

#261 American Infidel

I think that Congress and EL PRESIDENTE Bush shall come up with some plan and they will proceed to jam it down our throats...

I still hope the House will refuse to go along with any plan El Presidente Bush would like. And there might still be some hope that the Senate will be unable to agree on anything, and then it should become a hot campaign issue for the 2006 midterms.

265 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:57:16pm

In the the period leading up to the Gulf war in 1990, the only foreign group permitted to be resident in Saudi Arabia without direct Saudi Sponsorship. A decree was issued telling the Yemenis to get a Saudi Sponsor or get out by about the first of November. Now, in the Magic Kingdom, the Saudis looked upon the average Yemeni as having about the same status as the average illegal alien laborer here in the US. The date came and tens of thousands of Yemenis took to the roads south with all their possessions. It was quite a parade. After Monday, it will be time for a similar parade of illegals leaving the USA. If the islamofacists have joined the illegals, soon blood will run in the streets.

266 Kaboomboom  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:58:12pm

When the Islamofascists begin using Marxist buzzwords, who are they trying to fool (other than ignorant Mexicans)? Mohammed would not approve!

[putting my rubber boots to get through the bull crap]

Islam’s message is one of social justice [socialism?], economic fairness [forced redistribution of wealth?], and fair treatment in the workplace [for women and infidels too?]. The Qur’an urges the proper treatment and respect of workers [union propaganda?].

Yeah, well good luck trying to make your case.

When Shari'a is instituted, Mexicans can kiss their beer, tequila, dope, plunging necklines, nail polish, bikinis, rosaries, Tejano music, cheesy soap operas and the Lambada goodbye!

267 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 12:58:39pm

Why is doing it the illegal & amnesty way considered more affectionate than processing & accepting more legal immigrant proposals?

268 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:02:49pm

WTF?

269 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:03:25pm

You folks calling My President, 'El presidene' are some sick moonbat mofo's!

270 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:04:09pm

# 265. PIMF. Second line, ... sponsorship were the Yemenis.

271 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:05:15pm

#262 aka will

5. Those merely born in US no longer become citizens. Must be the child of legal citizens.

Or at least must be the child of someone here legally, citizen or not. I'd settle for that.

272 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:06:11pm

#269 'Nam Grunt

You folks calling My President, 'El presidene' are some sick moonbat mofo's!

Sorry, he's earned the title.

273 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:07:08pm

Calling all cars - Calling all cars...

I have decided I need to arm myself. Can anyone make any suggestion on what the smartest course of action would be?

Any input is welcome...

I am thinking I want to get a gun (or two) this weekend... and then go educate myself on how to use it...

Comments?

274 amyc  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:07:10pm

258 reader. yep.

babba--you no like Boortz?

275 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:07:17pm

'El Presidente', pimf!

276 Jack of Shadows  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:07:26pm

Shouldn't there be a United 93 thread by now?

277 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:08:33pm

#272, AKA Will. Are you looking to earn a title? Or discuss a problem?

278 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:09:45pm

#272 a.k.a. Will,

And y'all that are typing that deserve the title of moonbats!

279 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:11:09pm

#274 amyc, Katrina was an example of what politicians and the Sierra Club has to offer.

280 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:11:20pm

@271 Sillouette

Or at least must be the child of someone here legally, citizen or not. I'd settle for that.

That still leaves it wide open for the "anchor baby" vacationers, and many other legal schemes to have a child in the US.

But that one won't be addressed for a while, at least until after the present issues are settled, if then.

281 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:12:52pm

#274 amyc 4/28/2006 03:07PM PDT
babba--you no like Boortz?

Can't like him or not like him since I dont even know who he is ... My WTF? was because I was wondering what the post above me meant...

" Why is doing it the illegal & amnesty way considered more affectionate than processing & accepting more legal immigrant proposals?"

I dont know, why is it more affectionate, Roger?
LOL!
And then even when I replaced that with "effective", the statement still made no sense to me...hence, my WTF?
;~P

282 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:14:14pm

#273. windhorse. Get a German Shepard, find your nearest shooting range, find out about a conceald weapons carry permit, take a course, rent and try out several weapons, join the NRA, practice, practice, practice. Nothing in life is easy.

283 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:15:51pm

#273 Windhorse
I've looked at this one, seems prety nice (although I haven't fired it). A friend of mine is picking one up in a few weeks, maybe I can get back to you on it.

284 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:16:26pm

#280, AKA Will. Exactly.

285 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:16:38pm

#281 BabbaZee , up thread you'll see people claiming President Bush may be approaching the issue from an affectionate point of view. I can't understand why it is affectionate to cause more illegals to come and give amnesty rather than process more legal immigration.

286 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:17:26pm

#277 gymnast

#272, AKA Will. Are you looking to earn a title? Or discuss a problem?

Are you the hall monitor? When El Presidente starts paying more attention to 70 - 80% of American citizens than he does to Vicente Fox and illegal immigrants, maybe he'll no longer merit the title.

I don't post here often enough to worry about earning titles or stepping on toes.

287 maddog44  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:17:48pm

#273 Windhorse
Actually, firearms are a very personal item, kind of like a toothbrush. So, just what do you wish to accomplish with a firearm? Are you able to handle large amounts of recoil and muzzle blast, or do you feel intimidated by same? Forget the self education part, get professional instruction, as mistakes are costly and last a lifetime. Do not take that responsibility lightly, as it is not a light subject.

288 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:19:02pm

Oh K Roger, thank you.

289 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:21:11pm

#286 a.k.a. Will,

If you don't like My President, then take it over to a DU or Kos blog and take the trash with you!

290 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:22:44pm

#286, AKA Will. You old enough to have a hall pass? ///

291 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:22:54pm

Gymnast, UFO..., Maddog44

Thanks for the feedback... All good suggestions. I guess I should read a lot... take a course - I guess... I will have to look into local resources on this subject. Thanks again!

292 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:27:01pm

Speaking of immigrants
[Link: david.artoo.net...]

293 Lazarus  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:28:58pm
294 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:31:01pm

#290 gymnast

#286, AKA Will. You old enough to have a hall pass? ///

Are you the one who issues them?

295 maddog44  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:32:50pm

#292 Babbazee
Good, but would be better with squirrels IMHO.:)

296 Roger  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:33:58pm

#293 Lazarus, which six month period?

297 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:35:49pm

#289 'Nam Grunt

If you don't like My President, then take it over to a DU or Kos blog and take the trash with you!

I've been posting here on and off for four years. I never realized liking any particular president was a requirement. But I have mostly liked him, but now only about 28% of Americans approve the job he's doing, and the topic being discussed here plays a large part in his plummeting popularity.

Whatever good he might have done so far, he seems bound and determined to throw away and carry his party to an impressive defeat by doing the bidding of illegal immigrants and ignoring American citizens. 80% want immigration laws enforced, but he knows best.

298 Megan  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:37:36pm

In other illegal immigratin news, the attorney general of NJ (my state, so this particularly annoys me) attended and spoke at a pro-illegal rally in Newark. Farber to take part in pro-immigration rally. And the California senate supported the illegals' boycott/temper tantrum. State Senate Supports Immigrant Walkout On Monday

"It's one day ... for immigrants to tell the country peacefully, 'We matter ... (we're) not invisible,'" said Senate Majority Leader Gloria Romero, D-Los Angeles, the resolution's chief author.
America wouldn't have been created without illegal action, said Sen. Richard Alarcon, D-Van Nuys. "They dumped a bunch of tea in Boston harbor, illegally. God bless them," he said.

We shouldn't worry about the British invading. Taking away our weapons, arresting our leaders, taking away our rights, and the Boston Massacre- those were just jobs Americans wouldn't do. Besides, family values don't stop at the Atlantic Ocean./sarcastic

Not surprisingly, the atty general doesn't make any distinction between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. Silly me, I would have expected a government official to know and acknowledge the difference between legal and illegal. Our politicians really need to take a government class! An elementary school student could tell you that the American government is supposed to serve the American people- not the governments or people of foreign nations. And the attorney general (and president) should enforce the laws the people write, not pick and chose which laws she likes or doesn't like.

299 Kaboomboom  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:44:13pm

#273 Windhorse

UT's sugesstion (#283) is a good one because of it's high capacity for a .45 Auto.

I might also suggest a Glock in .40 Smith & Wesson. It has a lot of stopping power especially with Hydra-shok hollow points or Cor-bon. NOTE: Because of the recoil, these will both take a lot of practice to master.

If concealability is important, try a Walther PPK/S in .380 Auto.

A good weapon will not be cheap, so take your time in deciding. What is good for someone else may not be good for you.

It is important that you like the general feel of a pistol. Some are uncomfortable unless you have a large hand.

Go to a dealer where you can compare your candidates side by side.

300 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:45:04pm

#294, AKA Will. No, you brought the subject up. I was commenting about your derisive use of the term that you used. The Key to the Immigration problem is in the will of Congress to address the problem and the willingness of Bush to sign the bill. You apparently did not vote for Bush as was your right. Can Bush show more leadership on the issue? Yes! Would it be a smart political move? Thats debatable. I would like the issue of Islamism to occupy more of his agenda personally.

I think the laws presently on the books would go a long way in dealing with the problem of illegal imigration-if enforced. Additional laws may be necessary as needed.

Monday will be a watershed day in any case.

301 Lazarus  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:46:53pm

#296 Roger

#293 Lazarus, which six month period?

Don't know. The story doesn't say. Personally, I'm for the legalization of drugs, so I'm sorry for him that he's persecuted for something that harms no one but himself, although he's pretty dumb to flaunt the law like that.

"Doctor shopping" a crime... what a country.

302 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:46:55pm

#297 a.k.a. Will,

Okey dokey, whatever you say, I'm out! keep it up moonbat! I'm behind My President all the way with anything he says he is the most sanest person in this Country, no matter the few idiots on here that degrade him because he doesn't fit into their plan with their stupid ideology!

303 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:49:06pm

I recevied this lovely harginger in my email today...

According to Mexican radicals, AZTLAN encompasses the states from California to Texas up to Colorado believed still owned by Mexico. This is a call to arms by the heads of the illegal Mexican movement centered in the US. Apparently the radical group Aztlan is encouraging illegals to make a fight of it and bloodshed is not far behind. They are calling for the illegals to arm themselves. Just read some of the rhetoric!

From: la-voz-de-aztlan-admin@aztlan.net To: la-voz-de-aztlan@aztlan.net Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:27:37 -0700 Subject: [La Voz de Aztlan] URGENT ALERT: From The Revolutionary Council and Provisional Government of Aztlan
Dear La Voz de Aztlan Subscribers:

We have received the following communique from the Minister of Information of the Nation of Aztlan. We rarely receive any communiques from the "Revolutionary Council
and Provisional Government of Aztlan" so we must assume that it is of upmost importance. We urge that you carefully consider the information that it contains. Please pass this to others in your network!
_ _ _ _

URGENT ALERT: From The Revolutionary Council and
Provisional Government of Aztlan

April 26, 2006

Estimada Raza de Aztlan and Beyond,

Our Director of Special Intelligence Services why do they need an intel agency? has brought to our attention disturbing information that threatens the safety of our families. This information requires that we
prepare a defense strategy to protect our communities.

Due to the recent large demonstrations of our people in
major cities in occupied Anahuac, extremist European
invaders are preparing violent actions against us. their petname for Americans
They are expected to use physical violence in the upcoming
marches and rallies planned for May 1, 2006 and we must
take steps to protect our families.

The Director of Special Intelligence Services has reliable
information that anti-Mexican forces in Aztlan and in
certain other area of Anahuac, are preparing to utilize
explosives and snipers to kill our people.baloney We urge our
community to arm themselves to protect our families. We
are also urging our soldiers presently serving In Iraq,
Afghanistan and other foreign lands to do everything
possible to return home and fight for your own.I thought they were Americans! The situation here is critical.

In addition, all political prisoners shall be in constant
alert and ready for action. you mean all the illegals in our jails? Also, youth groups in our barrios shall call truces and direct their energies against the racist enemy that has vowed to annihilate our families.

Our Prime Minister is instructing every able bodied male to arm himself to protect the women and children in his home.
We can not depend on local White law enforcement authorities because in many cases they will join the criminal elements and participate in the slaughter of our
people. is this a load of crap or what? Make sure you have weapons and plenty of ammunition in your homes at the ready.

Criminal racist elements have already made death threats against certain "occupation administrators" and they will not stop at killing our civilians. We hope that the
massacres of Mexicans that the White criminals have vowed to undertake are just the rantings of cowardly insane minds
but we must take these threats seriously.

Cuauhtli
Minister of Information
Nation of Aztlan
La Voz de Aztlan

304 yesandno  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:50:08pm

I am beginning to think we need to run candidates in an anybody but the "INCUMBENT" party.

Vote for anyone who is not an incumbent...this will change the entire political base of this country.

They have not produced any legislation of value in the past number of years...it is a joke.

And to think that this weekend the Flight 93 film will be shown to America celebrating the bravery of people who sacrificed themselves willingly to prevent the destruction of the building housing all those damn congressional types. What a wonderful tribute to those heroes to say that America is not for Americans but for America haters and communists, nihilists, anarchists, Islamists, and every other group trying to take my country from me and my government is busy wrapping it up in a shiny box with big bow--and makes me pay for it---to hand over to the bastards...

Enough is Enough...

We all need to march on Memorial Day for this country, for following the law, for America...and pray tribute to all those that died defending America. It is our turn, and we need to defend it as well, quite loudly and quite visibly...

305 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:50:28pm

sorry I screwed up the html tags. I threw in some of my own comments that were supposed to be in italics, but it made the whole thing italic. I think you can tell what is mine and what is theirs.

306 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:52:01pm

Racist, sexist, anti-gay
CAIR and MPAC go away!

307 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:53:42pm

Bueno Allah!

Not only have we, as a country, lost our stones but now we're losing our minds!

Next Monday should be renamed Happy Deportation Day. Bring in the railcars and start making time straight toward Tijuana and Nuevo Laredo...

308 maddog44  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:55:04pm

#305 Stuck-in-CA
These silly sons of bitches are gonna mess around and become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

309 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:56:39pm

304- yesandno

There is already a movement to do just that. Vote out ALL incumbents. Personally I think they should all be tried for treason and hanged.

310 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:57:02pm

#305, Stuck-in CA. I'm not so sure about that, depends on how long you been Stuck in California.

311 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:57:31pm

308- maddog

They seem like they are itching for a real war.

312 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:58:57pm

310- gymnast

not long enough to have become a rabid Marxist loony tune like many of my fellow statemates.

313 Lazarus  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:59:34pm

#303 Stuck-in-CA

That is horrific. I guess one can expect either Mexican or American politicians to begin making formal demands to transfer parts of Aztlan back to Mexico before too long.

"Who is John Galt?"

314 cracker-crusader  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:01:04pm

#291 windhorse

The great thing about the US is that in the US Constitution, the government has no right to disarm the population. That is one reason why the Jihad will fail in the US, but will succeed so spectacularly in Europe. Europeans have no rights beyond what the EU gives them. A throwback to the days of monarchy...

So, I await the day when about 600 000 US citizens report for duty with the militia...

315 rickl  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:01:58pm
#304 yesandno 4/28/2006 03:50PM PDT

And to think that this weekend the Flight 93 film will be shown to America celebrating the bravery of people who sacrificed themselves willingly to prevent the destruction of the building housing all those damn congressional types. What a wonderful tribute to those heroes to say that America is not for Americans but for America haters and communists, nihilists, anarchists, Islamists, and every other group trying to take my country from me and my government is busy wrapping it up in a shiny box with big bow--and makes me pay for it---to hand over to the bastards...

Well said.

316 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:02:27pm

#311 Stuck in CA. Provoke a war? No.

Provoke a Kent State X 10? Yes, a dozen of them.

Thats what the "Azatlan Memo" cited above is trying to do.

Do you know who the biggest baddest gang in LA is? The one that is always armed, cool calm and collected, for the most part?

317 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:02:36pm

And now for some video fun:
http://media.putfile.com/Hispanic-woman-harrassed
From a confrontation at the Burbank (CA) Home Depot last weekend.

318 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:04:57pm
319 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:05:05pm

#256 kansas

Might be hard, at least no one will miss
Marachi Bands. Right?

Hey, I really like Mariachi music. But I could give it up for one day...

320 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:05:16pm

#300 gymnast

#294, AKA Will. No, you brought the subject up. I was commenting about your derisive use of the term that you used. The Key to the Immigration problem is in the will of Congress to address the problem and the willingness of Bush to sign the bill. You apparently did not vote for Bush as was your right. Can Bush show more leadership on the issue? Yes! Would it be a smart political move? Thats debatable. I would like the issue of Islamism to occupy more of his agenda personally.

I absolutely voted for Bush and live in a very red state. But in this second term, he seems determined to alienate those who put him if office with continued record spending, Harriet Meirs, the ports nonsense, and his ongoing pigheadedness on the immigration issue where 80% of Americans want the laws enforced and no amnesty. We certainly appreciated being called 'sexist' because we opposed Meirs, 'racist and xenophobic' because we disagree with the ports deal and with his open borders policy. That's certainly the way to lead the party to an impressive mid-term defeat.

Have you checked his approval ratings lately?
He needs to stop acting like a fool and insulting his base with leftist, PC slurs, and that's exactly what he's been doing. Did you think that was leadership and smart politics on his part?

321 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:08:25pm

#302 'Nam Grunt

Okey dokey, whatever you say, I'm out! keep it up moonbat! I'm behind My President all the way with anything he says he is the most sanest person in this Country, no matter the few idiots on here that degrade him because he doesn't fit into their plan with their stupid ideology!

Whatever.

322 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:12:18pm

313- Lazarus

That is horrific. I guess one can expect either Mexican or American politicians to begin making formal demands to transfer parts of Aztlan back to Mexico before too long.


I have a bad feeling that Bush has already made that backroom deal with his best friend Vicente Fox. Nothing Bush has been doing lately makes any sense for America. He's either as dumb as the Dems always said, or he's the damn anti-Christ. I'm sorry I ever voted for this turkey (twice), I feel betrayed and pissed off.

323 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:15:00pm

316- gymnast

Yeah, you are completely right. Shoot a few of the POOR ILLEGALS and they can further paint us all as "inhumae monsters", to humiliate our govt and our country...and white people in general. And it will castrate our ability to enforce anything ever again. They are as willing to lose a few collateral illegals as the Palis are in order to paint the Israelis as monsters.

324 Cartman  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:18:05pm

#273 Windhorse

Gymnast and MD44 have given you good advice. If you purchase a firearm, IMHO you must treat it with the utmost respect the second you walk out the dealer's door. Nothing wrong with going to a range to test it out right away, but I would suggest either going with someone who is an experienced shooter, or signing up for a $35 lesson, which many ranges offer. Personally, I would then look into concealed carry (as suggested) if it is legal in your state. Even if you have no intention of carrying a weapon on your person, the training is well worth the time and money. If nothing else, if you have a good CCW instructor you will learn all about the laws regarding liability and the use of deadly force for your state, not to mention firearm safety and use. Hope that didn't sound like a lecture! Good luck, and enjoy with care!

325 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:19:10pm

#320. If I want to hear DNC talking points I can listen to the MSM. You have them down cold. What are congresses poll numbers? Do you know the poll numbers for the MSM? Do you know the difference between a Popular Democracy and a Republic? Do you seriously think that Captain Bly (The real one, not the movie version) should have handed the rudder over to Mr Christian?

I still haven't figured out if you are whining or venting.

326 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:19:30pm
327 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:21:50pm

I'm going to Guaymas, Mexico this summer for a little R&R. I thought about getting a pocket Spanish/English translator, but then I realized that everything down there is probably already printed in Spanish and English anyway...

328 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:29:14pm

I am boycotting Mexico. Permanently.

329 rickl  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:30:41pm

#322 Stuck-in-CA

At the risk of sounding like a "black helicopter" crank, this wide-open borders policy is really starting to smell like the New World Order. Destroy American sovereignty, dilute American culture, import millions of Third Worlders who have no intention of assimilating into American society.

The only way things could get worse is if we allow them to go to American schools, where they would get a thorough indoctrination that America is EEEVIL.

Democrat and Republican politicians are starting to look like they are playing "good cop-bad cop" games with the American people. For the last 40 years or so, regardless of who's in power, the net result is more and more illegal immigration.

330 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:32:57pm

#325 gymnast

#320. If I want to hear DNC talking points I can listen to the MSM. You have them down cold. What are congresses poll numbers? Do you know the poll numbers for the MSM?

All irrelevant. The problem is, El Presidente has been using the DNC talking points on immigration and how to insult the Republican base.

If you want to hear DNC talking points, just listen to W. He sounds as much like Howard Dean as anyone else on several issues.

331 rickl  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:34:37pm

Any why oh why does Bush still insist on going to the UN about Iran? What was the definition of insanity again?

332 rickl  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:36:23pm

Any = And

333 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:37:07pm

#330. You will never get lost. You are going in concentric circles. You will never get anwhere that way either. Good luck.

334 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:38:06pm

329-rickl

You don't sound like black helicopters at all. I just wrote to someone the other day that after all these years of telling the NWO conspiracy theorists they were nuts, I too am starting to believe it. How else to make sense of all the things that have been happening that make no sense? The evidence, if we try to look at the big picture, points to a one-world conspiracy where America no longer has sovereignty. I fail to see how that is a good scenario.

335 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:39:10pm

#257 a.k.a. Will

"But as I said above, I believe this is the last stand. We either stop this nonsense and remain a sovereign nation, or there'll never be another opportunity to do it peacefully through our elected reps (those that aren't too bought and paid for)."

This is, indeed, our last chance vis-a-vis the illegal immigration problem. If we don't nip this in the bud now, and if we don't do something about sending back as many of the illegals as we can to wherever the hell they came from, America as we knew it will be no more. We will become a fractured and fractious hodgepodge of competing interests, cultures, languages; you name it. We will make the Balkans look like the most stable place on the planet.

Thanks a lot, you multi-culti, PC politicians and elites. You f'd up my country big time. And I will never forgive you. Nor will I ever forget.

336 beavereater  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:41:30pm

Im going to run with this group Muslim Student Pussy Before You Die Association and see how many Burkas I can penetrate.

President DIMP

Deflower Is My Power!

337 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:43:20pm

#325 gymnast

I still haven't figured out if you are whining or venting.

I'm thinking long-term like many other Independents who believe that the Democrats are the best reason to vote for a Republican. Many are wondering whether, if the Republicans grant amnesty, and continue to ignore voters on other issues, etc., whether it'd be best to try and elect different Republicans, or to just let the Democrats win back the house and senate so maybe some Republicans can remember who's been electing them for years, and who brought about the Republican majority. Carl Rove seems to think it's only Hispanic voters.

Many are considering the stay home option, or even a third party candidate in 2008. It's like cancer. Sometimes it's necessary to perform major surgery, recover, and then try to do things differently.

W seems determined to get rid of many who've supported him for two elections, along with the house and senate.

338 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:43:41pm

Hiker

I'm pretty sure it's a done deal. Our elected "representatives" (that's a joke) have already signed the backroom deal. All we are getting is lip service and stall tactics. There WILL be Amnesty, then they will fast-track their citizenship and then the vote. Finito. Better learn Spanish.

339 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:46:01pm

Some of us are trying to encourage Tom Tancredo to run as a third party candidate since the Rep party treats him like a pariah. Maybe he could run as a Constitution Party candidate on an anti-illegal/border security platform. I bet even some disgusted Democrats would vote for him.

340 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:48:01pm

#333 gymnast

#330. You will never get lost. You are going in concentric circles. You will never get anwhere that way either. Good luck.

Yes, resort to superfluous nonsense and ignore what was said.

Again, did you think it was good leadership and smart politics for W to call those in the Republican base who opposed some of his decisions: sexist, racist and xenophobic? The very slurs used by the PC left.

341 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:49:59pm

aka Will-


...not to mention calling the Minutemen "vigilantes" for wanting to protect our borders. It's GWB's damn job to begin with, but he isn't doing it.

342 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:51:34pm

#269 Grunt

I think perhaps some people have called him El Presidente because he seems more concerned about illegal Mexicans than he does American citizens. In all candor, can you name me one American president who has been so "in with" the Mexicans, and been such an advocate (and yes, his position on illegals is advocacy, pure and simple) than George W. Bush? I have said many times, in many places, that I thank God every day that Bush was president on 9/11 instead of Al Gore. And I still utter that prayer. But he is an abject failure on immigration and border security, so much that sometimes one has to wonder just how committed he is to security in general. I mean, if he won't even secure our damn borders, how serious can he be? I expect my comments will likely piss you off, as I know you are an unabashed supporter or Bush. But the man has failed us greatly on the immigration issue.

343 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:55:06pm

#273 windhorse

It all depends on what you want to use the guns for. Home defense? The two best would be a 12-gauge pump shotgun, using 00-buck; and good handgun. A .357 Magnum revolver is ideal. A .40 S&W or a .45 ACP are also good choices. If you want a firearm for hunting, well...it all depends on what you want to hunt.

344 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:56:14pm

hiker-

I don't think there are alot of us left still willing to drink the koolaid. When faced with all the latest evidence, it just doesn't taste as good as it used to. And it breaks my heart to say it. But I can find no other explanation for Bush's 2nd term.

345 rickl  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:57:35pm

#337 a.k.a. Will

I hear you, but on the other hand, I am deathly afraid of EVER letting the Stalinist Dems back into power. That could well be the last election we ever see.

346 rickl  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 2:59:27pm

#345

Or at least the last honest election.

347 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:04:46pm

#341 Stuck-in-Ca

..not to mention calling the Minutemen "vigilantes" for wanting to protect our borders. It's GWB's damn job to begin with, but he isn't doing it.

Yep, I forgot about that one. At times, he's definitely been acting as dumb as his detractors have always said he was. I never believed it, but he seems determined to prove it now that he won't have to stand for election again.

348 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:07:22pm

aka Will

I don't think he's dumb. I think he sold us out...and I think alot of our elected officials are in on it.

349 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:07:25pm

#311

"They seem like they are itching for a real war."

Oh, they are. Believe me, they are. They are so convinced that Americans are wimps, and they hold us in such utter contempt and hatred, that some kind of violent confrontation is EXACTLY what they are hoping for. And they KNOW that our politicians and our media and our elites will side with THEM, no matter what!

350 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:09:42pm

#345 rickl

I hear you, but on the other hand, I am deathly afraid of EVER letting the Stalinist Dems back into power. That could well be the last election we ever see.

There aren't any perfect choices, but I've often thought we were no worse off with Clinton as president and with Republican control of congress. In that scenario, the Republicans would never have voted for some things they approved that W proposed.

351 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:18:11pm

aka Will

But we could be facing a Dem Congress in 2006 and then a Dem Prez in 2008. Might as well bring over Fidel Castro and put him in charge.

352 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:18:32pm

Stuck-in Ca

I don't think he's dumb. I think he sold us out...and I think alot of our elected officials are in on it.

On the illegal immigration issue, I think there's still a good chance that the house will not approve amnesty, and it might refuse to go along with other provisions. The senate might even surprise us.

But it's been eery how totally the gas price issue knocked the immigration issue out of the news for several days. I think the big May Day demonstrations will put the illegal immigration issue fully back into the news, as the Hispanic version of the national anthem served to revive it some today.

353 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:22:12pm

#350 a.k.a. Will

"There aren't any perfect choices, but I've often thought we were no worse off with Clinton as president and with Republican control of congress. In that scenario, the Republicans would never have voted for some things they approved that W proposed."

Well, Bush DID nominate some good judges (Harriet Miers notwithstanding). But, you're right that much of what Bush seems to advocate would have been just fine with Bubba, and if Bubba were president the Repubs in congress would not have let him get away with them; but similar things by Bush, and they okay them. I guess that's what is meant when the word "partisanship" is tossed around.

354 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:22:13pm
355 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:25:52pm

Stuck-in-Ca

But we could be facing a Dem Congress in 2006 and then a Dem Prez in 2008. Might as well bring over Fidel Castro and put him in charge.

If W and our elected reps sell out the 80% of citizens on illegal immigration, I hope the Republicans lose the house snf/r senate in 2006, and then we try to elect a conservative president in 2008, and regain the lost part of congress. Maybe George Allen in 2008.

But if they sell us out on immigration, they will never change unless made to pay a real price in loss of power for a time.

356 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:33:09pm

#354 American Infidel

What has transpired to transform him, I do not know...

I think 9/11 transformed him, transformed him from a stealth, New England, Rockefellar, country club Republican in a cowboy suit to a war time president. I think we're seeing the real El Presidente now in his second term. We're seeing what he always was.

Had 9/11 never happened, I think he'd have been extremely unpopular and probably would not have won re-election. 9/11 won him all sorts of good will and patriotic support his other policies would never have won.

357 rickl  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:35:10pm

#354 American Infidel

I wouldn't go so far as to call him a dhimmi. An internationalist, New World Order type, perhaps, but not a dhimmi.

I said on another thread a few days ago, that as bad as our situation is with illegal Mexican immigrants, I'm thankful that least they aren't Muslims. Europe is in much deeper shit than we are.

358 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:35:46pm

I wonder if Bush actually realizes how much he has disturbed his base? And not just HIS base, but the base of the Republican party? The Repubs in congress, and on the state and local level, better distance themselves from Bush or they'll be going down to defeat next time they come up for election.

What is Bush thinking? Can he be so blind on the immigration issue as to alienate 80% of the American people? That's why his approval rating is foundering around 28% - 30%: 20% must actually approve of his handling of the immigation issue, and the other 8% - 10% will support him no matter what he does about anything.

I just don't understand the man on this issue. But I'll say this: if we were to run again, I would not vote for him again, unless it was to keep Hildabeast out of office. Other than that, I'd probably vote a write-in candidate.

359 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:36:19pm

#354 American Infidel

What has transpired to transform him, I do not know...

I think 9/11 transformed him, transformed him from a stealth, New England, Rockefellar, country club Republican in a cowboy suit to a war time president. I think we're seeing the real El Presidente now in his second term. We're seeing what he always was.

Had 9/11 never happened, I think he'd have been extremely unpopular with the Republican base and probably would not have won re-election. 9/11 won him all sorts of good will and patriotic support his other policies would never have won. And he had no SCOTUS appointments to help him during his first term.

360 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:36:22pm

Mucho Gracias to all(I couldn't resist).

I talked to the local police here and am going in Tuesday to register for a concealed weapon (even though, apparently, I don't need one if I never carry the thing out of my house I guess). As it turns out, one of the Lieutenants on the force teaches a course in gun safety...

So, I think I am headed in the right direction.

Thanks again everbody!

361 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:41:29pm
362 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:41:51pm

355- aka Will

Sounds like a good plan. I am still pulling for Tancredo...he's a real Reagan Conservative. I have been following his career for a long time and am a fan.

363 rickl  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:43:51pm

We're in bad shape if the only reason Republicans can give us for voting for them is fear of the Democrats taking power.

364 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:44:51pm
365 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:49:33pm

I think with our soldiers fighting for our country over in Iraq, the very least we can do is fight for our country here.

Write and call your Congressmen (all Congressmen) and pressure them to secure our borders and enforce our immigration laws. Here are alot of good email addresses for politicians and media... [Link: www.rumormillnews.com...]

And sign the Minutemen Petition...

[Link: www.minutemanhq.com...]

366 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:51:18pm
367 Imamhunter  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:52:51pm

Let's all run out on Monday and use citizen's arrest to detain an illegal alien. The charge? Disturbing the peace and/or vagrancy.

368 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:52:56pm

I think with our soldiers fighting for our country over in Iraq, the very least we can do is fight for our country here.

Write and call your Congressmen (all Congressmen) and pressure them to secure our borders and enforce our immigration laws. Here are alot of good email addresses for politicians and media... [Link: www.rumormillnews.com...]

And sign the Minutemen Petition...

[Link: www.minutemanhq.com...]

369 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:53:03pm

#363 rickl

"We're in bad shape if the only reason Republicans can give us for voting for them is fear of the Democrats taking power."

But that's what it has come down to, isn't it? There are some Republicans who actually "get it." And, there are even a small handfull of Democrats who do (i.e., Zell Miller, for whom I would have voted over Bush in a nano-second)).

370 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:53:55pm

Carl Rove and others think winning more Hispanic votes is the key to a continuing Republican majority. Several things puzzle me about this thinking:

1. W (based on disputed stats) claims to have gotten 42% of the Hispanic vote, called a sigfificant improvement. But Reagan clearly got 40%. In twenty years, where's the great improvement?

2. Dole got in the low 20%. Perot confused 1992 and 1996. But we have two popular Republican governors from states with our largest Hispanic populations who did well among Hispanics. But has anyone else done well? Or only governors from Texas or California. How will a presidential candidate not from one of those states do among Hispanics?

3. Republic Hispanic support comes more from Hispanic Americans of several generations than from recent immigrants. With a total split, at best, around 60%/40% for the Dhimms, what does anyone think the Republicans will gain from seveal million new, recent immigrants?

4. Does W think granting this amnesty will up the Republican % above 50%, and for a candidate who might reside far from Texas or California, and not get the favorite son vote?

5. Does anyone know what % of the Hispanic vote W received in California, and Texas? And who are Hispanics voting for in state and local elections?

I'm afaid the brilliant Republican strategists might have their heads up their rear-ends on this one. And they seem to not even consider the possiblity that this strategy is alienating their base, and will likely cost them far more votes than they gain.

371 annelid[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:56:42pm
372 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 3:58:09pm

One possible good thing on Great American Boycott Monday...alot of teens who couldn't find summer jobs can hopefully usurp the abandoned jobs of the illegals. Get out there kids!

Also how about we hold a "Great Government Boycott" come November? Or a "Great Incumbent Boycott".

373 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:03:06pm

#366 American Infidel

We don't know if all of those illegals are Latinos, the majority are buttt how many MOSLEMS are sneaking into this country via either border?!

Lots of visa overstayers in all categories, and I'm sure a good number of students who finished college and just kept hanging around.

374 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:03:41pm

370- aka Will

I saw photos of the last big rally where they had anti-Bush signs. And the teenagers who skipped school by the thousands were marching and chanting "F-ck Bush", "F-ck White People"...just before they took the American flag down and replaced it with the Mexican one at an L.A. area school. Just the kind of new immigrants we need. And just SURE to vote Republican...NOT.

375 Imamhunter  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:04:39pm

#371 Annelid

The same thing occurred at the end of the western Roman Empire. When the central government could no longer protect citizens--or lost the will to do so--people sought protection from rich landowners who could afford private armies/security forces. Of course, those seeking safety had to agree to work for the benefit of the landowner. These estates morphed into became known as feudalism.

376 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:05:23pm

#annelid:

Where in Louisiana are you living?

377 annelid[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:06:57pm
378 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:07:12pm

Stuck-in-Ca

I saw photos of the last big rally where they had anti-Bush signs. And the teenagers who skipped school by the thousands were marching and chanting "F-ck Bush", "F-ck White People"...just before they took the American flag down and replaced it with the Mexican one at an L.A. area school. Just the kind of new immigrants we need. And just SURE to vote Republican...NOT.

Yeah, f-ck Bush, and NOBODY does their bidding more than he does. I wonder if they even know that.

379 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:07:31pm
380 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:08:37pm

#377 annelid

Leesville?

381 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:09:06pm

aka Will-

I thought the same thing..."are you people STUPID? Bush is your champion! Why are you condemning HIM?"

These illegals are uneducated and really can't afford to be skipping school.

382 annelid[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:10:10pm
383 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:13:33pm

#379 American Infidel

I was listening to Rush a while back, and an Aussie called him...He came here on a visa, tried to begin the process of becoming a permanent resident...

He should have just gone down to some border town and gotten a high quality, forged green card, and any other necessary documents. But they might not let an Aussie get away with that.

384 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:13:35pm

You know, we denigrate Europeans for allowing themselves to be over-run by mohammedans, yet were are being over-run by illegals from Mexico. And both Europe and the US will be transformed into something neither wanted nor can survive, atleast not survive as what they once were.

385 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:13:45pm

This reminds me of that story about the fellow from Cuba who twice (TWICE!) outfitted a 1950's vintage truck and/or car (I think one of each actually) to float and that included a drive system - propulsion system AND who embarked on a journey to America. Both times (I think) the US Coast Guard caught him underway and arrested (?) then deported him back to Cuba.

What irony.

These are the kind of people we want immigrating.

Instead, we get these loser "Fuck America" people.

Why can't we show THEM the door?

This just doesn't make any sense to me.

386 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:18:36pm

annelid:

I lived in Louisiana for many years. I have a love-hate relationship with the place: the things I love about it, I really love; the things I hate about it, I really hate. There are no in-betweens.

387 uradumone  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:18:53pm

What if one of the muslims becomes a spodidope during the march?

388 annelid[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:20:08pm
389 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:22:24pm
390 rickl  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:24:02pm

#375 Imamhunter

Bingo. When the New World Order is complete, that is what it will look like. Feudalism on a global scale. The Bushes, Gores, Kerrys, Annans, Chiracs, Putins, Foxes et al will be running the world, while the rest of us work for them and cower in fear.

Not exactly what the Founding Fathers had in mind.

391 NoKoolAidForMe  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:25:10pm

'evening lizardoids.

I'm pissed off tonight about this "boycott" crap. What can we, as Americans, do to make our voices heard?

Ever get the feeling we're being run out of our own land?

392 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:27:09pm
393 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:28:11pm
394 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:31:03pm

#393 AI

I am going dead in the water next Friday...

395 NoKoolAidForMe  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:31:09pm

393 American Infidel


How appropriate on Cinco de Mayo. So what do legal Americans do on that day?

396 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:31:23pm

#388 annelid

Yup, that's one of the things I really hate. Louisiana is very provincial; in many respects it's a third-world country, with third-world social attitudes and third-world politics.

397 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:32:34pm

NoKoolAid

The only thing we can do beside complain into the deaf ears of our elected officials, is boycott everything Mexican (produce, food, etc). Mow your own lawn, etc and only hire Americans. Boycott all the products made by companies that hire illegals...like Tyson Foods, Hormel Foods, Sara Lee Foods. They are all notorious.

398 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:32:45pm

matter of fact - I am going to take my two kids and stand out on the corner opposite the "Women in Black" and wave my own sign...

We'll ride our bikes over there and back...

399 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:33:05pm

#391

"Ever get the feeling we're being run out of our own land?"

Constantly.

400 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:34:01pm

I hope someone hassles me...

401 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:34:51pm

Now we know how the people of the Gaza felt. Maybe Sharon was in on the NWO with Bush and Fox.

402 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:34:57pm
403 Thin Blue Line  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:36:27pm

Just saw United 93 Movie...Excellent a must see for all. Bad timing for CAIR and the march. This film should re-educate the medium voter that we are at war.

404 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:37:14pm

I make it a point not to buy anything made or grown in Mexico, or made or produced by companies that hire illegals. I do all my own yard work, all my own carpentry and home repairs, and if I needed something done that I couldn't get to, or was beyond my expertise, I know enough Americans in the trades who will do it for me.

405 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:37:56pm

I think we should go a step further and demonstrate our irritation with the status quo... make a sign and wave it. Act.

A small thing.

406 NoKoolAidForMe  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:46:24pm

I stopped buying Corona months ago. I have an American landscaper. I'm thinking that on Monday we Americans should spend as much money as we can. Buy stocks. Go out to dinner. Fill up with gas. Don't go to the emergency room. Donate to charity.

The other night I found myself in the local ER. I was the only English speaking, non-Hispanic there. When they saw my insurance card, they were elated. Really sickening when you think about it.

407 Imamhunter  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:46:29pm

#390 annelid

I'm hoping we're a ways off from that yet, but I'm seeing troubling warning signs.

It might sound melodramatic, but I'll die in a hail of gunfire before I submit to some global hegemon, whether its an economic or a military one. "Live free or die" ain't just words on a license plate.

408 Cartman  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:48:37pm

#402 AI

Remain home from work, using vacation, leave, sick time or whatever is available to you.

What an impractical and damaging suggestion. If there was even a remote possibility that citizens would participate, do these folks have any clue how damaging just one day of unscheduled shutdown would be to small business across the nation? Great idea in theory, but again...impractical and fantasy-based.

409 NoKoolAidForMe  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:49:03pm

407 Imamhunter

That's what separates us from Eurasia and Mexican invasion. We Americans will die for our country. For freedom. The Eurasians have succumbed.

410 hiker  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:50:02pm

#407 ImamHunter

"'Live free or die' ain't just words on a license plate."

That's a fact.

411 wee fury  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:52:54pm

#395 NoKoolAidForMe

what do legal Americans do on that day?


I'm going to celebrate my birthday on that day.
Going to make a big sign that says:
'Wee's Birthday. Celebrate now!"
:-)

412 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:54:02pm

Cartman... I own a small business... and I am NOT doing a dang thing next Friday... and it in the grand scheme of things, it won't matter... will it. (I don't mean to start anything with you - but I feel we should make a statement...)

413 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:56:30pm

as an alternative point of view... what if, in a completely perfect world, all it would take is ONE DAY of protest by most Americans... to me, the cost of not acting is far greater than acting.

414 Imamhunter  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:56:53pm

#409 & 410

I should elaborate on my statement. I might die in a hail of gunfire, but I'm taking a few of the bastards with me when I go!

415 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:58:22pm

#414 ahem...

don't forget, us bastards are a mighty sensitive lot...

416 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 5:01:15pm
"'Live free or die' ain't just words on a license plate."

Yeah, is that New Hampshire or Connecticut, or another NE state? But how will your senators and representatives be voting on this issuez? Especially the senators?

417 wee fury  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 5:09:49pm

#416 a.k.a Will
New Hampshire.

418 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 5:13:24pm

#402 American Infidel

Remain home from work, using vacation, leave, sick time or whatever is available to you.


Most non-minority, working Americans would never do that part. If only a shopping boycott and a few other things could be arranged, it might work. But there'd have to be some way to generate huge amounts of publicity. Probably ain't gonna happen.

But some day, maybe something will motivate the majority to make its voice heard other than through the political process.

419 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 5:21:29pm

Regarding staying home from work as a protest. Depends on whose attention you are trying to get. If it's to show the illegals we have more impact than they do, it wouldn't make much sense. But if it's to show Congress that we as a nation can pull together and shut things down when we are pissed off...then it would make alot of sense.
And we DO need to get their attention, because we haven't gotten anywhere with all the angry calls and emails to them so far. They are playing deaf, dumb and blind. But when it comes to commerce, they are all ears...and pockets.

420 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 5:25:50pm

I just heard that Ralph's Supermarkets (only in CA?) are officially supporting the Boycott. That's the grocery store I shop at. Or rather where I USED to shop. I now officially boycott Ralph's.

421 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 5:34:14pm

Mexico: so far from heaven, so close to the United States of America.

422 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 5:35:19pm

ALSO...I, for one, am going to make a concerted effort to find those stores that are closed on Monday, and never, never shop there again.

423 ladycatnip  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 5:36:58pm

I just received an email to make May 1st our shopping day. Since there are more of us than illegals, we can actually make a positive mark on our economy May 1st. We all need to grocery shop, Mother's Day shop, buy gasoline that day, buy summer clothes, whatever. But shop.

At the same time, how about a gigantic email/blog campaign to our elected officials and give them this challenge: do nothing and we'll vote you out of office. Then actually vote them out.

424 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 5:38:30pm

ladycatnip-

I and my political group have been sending thousands of emails threatening to vote out all incumbents. Seems to be falling on deaf ears so far.

425 Windhorse  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 5:38:38pm

To me - a day of non-action is definitely directed toward the "I haven't ever worked a day in my life - and, oh, isn't it time for my pedicure?" crowd. (translated - Washington crud)

Most people are too self-absorbed to contemplate doing something of this sort - that is, nothing...

They have bills to pay and things to buy.

But I, a complete workaholic Luddhite, am gonna do it anyway.

426 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 5:40:13pm

also you can all send a donation to the Minuteman Border Fence project...


[Link: secure.responseenterprises.com...]

427 maggie  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:11:52pm

I will take a lesson from the PALIS and teach any children NEVER to volunteer for the UNITED STATES OF MEXICO... why should my beauticul grand children die for the politition that send our loved ones to war only to give the USA over to the Mexicans for a vote ... I am sick of our country giving every thing away and WE have to die to let them do it!

428 amyc  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:12:32pm

320 aka will

spot on

429 Megan  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:16:16pm
430 maggie  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:24:10pm

Where is the AMERICAN protest ? Shall we let illegals tell our country what to do?... when will it be Sharia law that the ROP will be able to take over the USA?

431 mattm  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 7:01:39pm
Islam’s message is one of social justice, economic fairness, and fair treatment in the workplace. The Qur’an urges the proper treatment and respect of workers.

What Muslimterroists is this talking about.

On December 16, 2005, the House of Representatives passed HR 4437, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005. The bill was introduced by Congressman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-WI). The Sensenbrenner bill is an inadequate enforcement-only bill that fails to address comprehensive immigration reform. In particular, it does not include any provision for a guest worker program, an earned legalization program, nor a reduction in the backlogs for family-based immigration. Instead, the bill criminalizes undocumented people for unlawful presence in the United States, and criminalizes people who work or volunteer with faith-based organizations for helping someone in need, who turns out to be undocumented.

Good. I wish this is what we did.

432 gymnast  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:17:23pm

AKA Will. 3rd Party shill for the DNC. Moby of moment. But not the only Moby of the day.

433 W-lover  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 8:17:23pm
I posted about it before, no one even blinked an eye...

:X

434 biggyrat  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 9:55:48pm

I believe that I'm at the end of my rope. Here we stand, a beacon of freedom, & opportunity. On the verge of grinding the islamo-fascist into dust, & what do my eyes behold? Our wonderful elected officials preparing to roll over, & give it all away.

Fuck it, what's the point.

435 Muck DeFuslims  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:54:31pm

It's getting increasingly difficult for the supposedly conservative Bushbots around here to continue defending their man, Jorge Wahabi.

JWB's failure to secure our southern border, his unwillingness to deport the criminal 'illegal' hordes invading the nation, and his constant 'Islam is a great, peaceful religion' bullshit mantra is rightfully pissing off even his most ardent supporters.

I voted for JWB and would probably do so again considering the Demonrat alternative, but I'm not happy about it.
As Rickl put it in post #363: "We're in bad shape if the only reason Republicans can give us for voting for them is fear of the Democrats taking power."

436 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:01:07pm

427- Maggie

why should my beauticul grand children die for the politition that send our loved ones to war only to give the USA over to the Mexicans for a vote

I agree with you. Some days lately I think why should our boys be risking their lives and dieing in Iraq so these shithead politicians can give our country away to a third world nation? It stinks to high heaven. And what good is figting a war on terror if our back door is wide open? Nothing makes sense in Washington anymore.

437 Valentina  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:25:54pm

#94 bj
" I trust this marching group and it's hangers-on, fringe element, terrorist wannabes will be heavily ZOMBIED for our viewing pleasure!"

Go Zombie!

ZOM-BIE! ZOM-BIE! ZOM-BIE!

438 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:35:46pm

A good rant on illegal immigration here...

[Link: f-o-l.blogspot.com...]

439 tupac23x  Sat, Apr 29, 2006 6:25:36am

#435

Rimshot

440 infidel and proud  Sat, Apr 29, 2006 6:29:54am

An opportunity to kill two birds with one stone.

441 slotgun  Sat, Apr 29, 2006 6:57:33am

#440

Exactly. We need to have a series of "accidents" involving mishandled Daisy Cutters at a few choice locations around the country on Monday . . .

442 ladycatnip  Sat, Apr 29, 2006 7:30:47am

#424 Stuck-in-CA,

I'm a native So. Californian and if those emails were sent to our reps in Sacramento, I'm not surprised at getting no response. I have little faith in our great state to do anything about illegals because the dems are an intrenched species here. We used to be in a small conservative (voting) enclave, but it was gerrymandered to a left-wing liberal's district. Basically our vote is nullified in every election.

I'm all for supporting the building of a wall, either privately or by public dollars.

One thing to remember, the liberals are using this to rip Bush to shreds. However, NOTHING was done under Clinton for 8 years, nothing under Bush #1, and Reagan made a mild attempt in the late '80's, but also got nowhere. Carter opened his arms wide to Cuban ex-cons. Neither party has any moral authority in this.

443 Greg  Sat, Apr 29, 2006 7:42:45am

G.W. has turned into a dickless wonder...

Sorry I voted for the man twice.

He will not guard the borders or halt the Mexican menace...

He cares little for his "Base"...

Can only see civil war against the Aztlan backers in the streets...

The central government is totally impotent...

444 gunjam  Sat, Apr 29, 2006 10:18:08am

Let's see . . .

First, it was LaRaza and ANSWER. Then, the American Roman Catholic hierarchy got in on the act. Now, we see the homegrown jihadists are getting in on the act to support an ever-growing army of some 20 million (illegal alien) law-breakers and America-haters.

I'd say we have the makings of a fearsome new domestic "axis of evil" shaping up.

Of all the elements of this new domestic axis of evil, the Roman Catholic clergy has gotten the freest ride of all -- which I find surprising, as many conservative Catholic laymen as there are. (However, I assume they harbor an innate hesitancy to criticize their own spiritual leaders, which is, of course, understandable.)

However, Jack Cashill (who is a Catholic layman) has a good piece in WND regarding his visit to a press conference held by one of the Los Angeles Catholic bishops on Monday's planned activities. -- gunjam

445 MegaTroopX  Sat, Apr 29, 2006 2:59:33pm

Terrorist symps + illegals + daisy cutter = fun!

Before someone (Bubble Girl?) gets mad, my problem is with the criminal invaders and no one else. They should get the same treatment we would give Russian or Chinese troops if they "Red Dawn"'d our ass.

Mexico declared war when their army (I refuse to let it share a capital letter a with my Army) stepped one centimeter into American soil.

This La Raza/Aztlan crap will only go so far before a backlash. And it'll have a whip like a cut steel cable.

446 MegaTroopX  Sat, Apr 29, 2006 3:26:05pm

262 aka Will

6. Cut-off all benefits to illegals except emergency medical care.

Softy.

447 MegaTroopX  Sat, Apr 29, 2006 4:37:59pm

437 Valentina

ZOM-BIE IE IE IE O-OH...

/someone was gonna

448 MegaTroopX  Sat, Apr 29, 2006 4:39:44pm

Damn. Deadthreaded again.

449 medvolts  Sun, Apr 30, 2006 5:43:09am

Seeing as all of these organizations who are engaged in illegal activities are marching in the open and daring law enforcement and the American people to do something about it (which they won't), it makes me believe that a theory of mine would work. In a nutshell it is this: if 500 people who are sick and tired of all this crap assembled in the downtown area of a major metropolis with AK's and AR15's and demanded to be heard, the cops would run with their tails between their legs. Imagine this done in the 10 largest cities in the United States. We all know that most cops are only good for hassling unarmed law abiding citizens but will leave dopers and criminals alone (they have guns too, you know) and refuse to enforce laws regarding immigration. Do you think that they would challenge 500 heavily armed citizens? Since those who are charged with enforcing the laws refuse to do so, it is our duty to do what those spineless bastards in Washington won't do. Yes, this is revolution, however, desperate times call for desperate measures. If something is not done now, we will have open warfare in the streets in 10 years.


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