Seeing it this weekend/

same here

Oh good. Thanks Charles!

Sorry this is off-topic, but I thought NYers would want to know.

Panel discussion tomorrow (Saturday), part of the PEN festival:

Idols and Insults: Writing, Religion, and Freedom of Expression

Juan Luis Cebrián, Upamanyu Chatterjee, Hans Magnus Enzensberger, Nilüfer Göle, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Tariq Ramadan; moderated by Ian Buruma

Writers in many countries have come under threat for perceived insults to religious traditions, and some countries—England most recently—have tried to criminalize religious defamation. But the global repercussions of a Danish newspaper’s decision to publish cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed internationalized the debate over free speech and respect for religious beliefs. Writers from several countries discuss the shifting and increasingly perilous terrain surrounding art and religion.

1:00 PM, Saturday April 29
The New School Tishman Auditorium: 66 West 12th St.
Tickets: Free; (212) 229-5488
Co-sponsor: The New School Graduate Writing Program

Haven't seen it yet, but did hear they were giving 10% of the profits to the memorial. Anyone know if they've changed the memorial from "The Crescent of Embrace" (which looks disgustingly like the Islamic crescent), to a more American memorial?

OT: WaPo slams film United 93: Hijackers may be unfairly accused of murder, passengers probably did nothing...Concerned film may be biased:

United 93’ movie includes invented details

"United 93," Hollywood's first big-budget film about the events of Sept. 11, 2001, is faithful to the major aspects of the tragic morning it depicts. The movie tracks the key events detailed in the 9/11 Commission Report, the most definitive source on the subject: the commandeering of the United jet by four terrorists, the panic of the passengers and the heroic rebellion that ended with the plane crashing in a field near Shanksville, Pa.

But the movie, which opens nationwide today, is a dramatic re-creation that includes scenes and images that go far beyond what is known about the attacks.

"United 93's" director, Paul Greengrass, has said he sought to create the "plausible truth" of what happened, given that many details are unknown.

Target: Capitol or White House?
The film asserts that the hijackers' intended target was the Capitol. In one scene, Ziad Jarrah, the Lebanese terrorist who piloted the plane, props a picture of the building on the cockpit's console, imposing a cinematic answer to a question that the 9/11 Commission could not resolve: whether the terrorists were trying to hit the Capitol or the White House. Investigators said that point was a source of contention among the 9/11 plotters, with Osama bin Laden favoring a strike on the White House and others, including Mohamed Atta, favoring the Capitol.

"United 93" also suggests that the terrorists killed the pilot and co-pilot, for example, but what occurred is unclear. A United 93 flight recorder picked up the terrorists ordering someone repeatedly to "sit down" and discussing whether to "bring the pilot back" late in the hijacking.

"United 93" also shows the passengers breaching the cockpit with a beverage cart and wrestling the terrorists for control as the plane plummets. Although the 9/11 report states that the passengers fought back in the flight's final moments, the commission had no indication that the passengers entered the cockpit. The report suggests the opposite: "The hijackers remained at the controls but must have judged that the passengers were only seconds from overcoming them."

[Link: www.msnbc.msn...]

Tariq Ramadan;
Thought he was not allowed into this country?

May God continue to bless these people and their families. The truth will never be hidden. I pray that I would have their courage if I were to be faced with what they faced. Their memory gives me strength and hope. True heroes.

Boycotting movie theaters for another month and a half (if Hollywood sees fit to give praise to movies about Palestinian suicide bombers - clearly they don't need MY money). But if I weren't, I'd see it in a heartbeat. Perhaps when it comes on DVD...

Some of the NYC Liberal Hawks are going next week. If you are in the NYC area and want to join us, let me know.

IIRC - The Minn.LGFers were having a getogether and then going to see the movie en masse; would love to hear their impressions. Only Ancient Media review I've seen or heard of was on the previous thread and the WaPo panned it for "creating events where there's no evidence that they occured" - fake but accurate?
I REALY hate the fucking Ancient Media.

I'm debating if I should see it this weekend, but I think the average American should be forced to watch it.
Twice.

Plan on seeing it this wekend.
Local Lib rag even gave it a good write up.

Thanks for this thread Charles.

8 CrimsonFisted
Thank you. Very sweet.

"Tariq Ramadan;
Thought he was not allowed into this country?"

That's what I thought. Maybe he's on the program but didn't get a visa? I don't know.

But I expect it'll be a circus there.

I'm supposed to go to a Shabbat lunch tomorrow, I might run into shul, give my hostess the bottle of wine I said I would bring, and run back out again and head downtown.

Maybe it is too early.

Haven't seen it but am glad that the events of 9/11 are being brought up again into the popular consciousness. No matter how the film was done it will remind Americans of how they felt on that day. And that feeling should help to bolster our war effort.

#12 Jimmy The Clam

Agreed. Unfortunately, the people who most need to see it are the ones who won't go.

Yehudit

Tariq Ramadan Hearing Barred by the US

Thank heavens for small favors.

#11 when/where are the MN LGFrs getting 2gether? I wanna go!

Red

#6 ted

I read an account awhile back; I don't remember where. Apparently Flight 77 was targeting the White House, but it's a small building when seen from the air and was surrounded by trees. The hijackers couldn't positively identify it, but then spotted the Pentagon, and attacked that as a target of opportunity.

There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that Flight 93 was headed for the Capitol.

Thanks for the topic, Charles. Don't want to acknowledge that I suggested it a couple threads back, do ya ... ;-)

(And I never got a hat tip for the Swedish Minister of Justice topic ... I think it's a conspiracy!)

But seriously ... I saw it today. A brilliant film which deserves an Academy Award but will never get one. So shove one up the Academy's ass and see it. And tell everyone you know to see it. And remember the heroes.

# 5 lady

They've only made cosmetic changes. It will still need to be blown up if it is built.

While I encourage everyone who doesn't have a personal connection to see this film, I cannot bring myself to see it.

This country needs to see this film, we need to understand who the enemy is. But for me, I cannot deal with it this closely.

My brother not withstanding, I knew three people on flight 93, it was a flight I took many times traveling between Newark and San Francisco.

As much as I know I need to support this effort, I cannot view this film.

Sorry everyone, my heart simply cannot deal with it.

Evem as I type this, I cry.

unsurprisingly, the Washington Post chose to take shots at the movie on Page A1 for not sticking absolutely, positively, without a doubt, for sure to what is known about what happened on that flight... for example, showing that the Capitol was the target when the 9/11 commission thinks it 'could' have been the White House that was being targeted.

More here on the Post story.

23 Dublin(CA)Dude
"Hugs"

#24 stevesturm

Well if that were a requirement, most of the time the screen would've been blank, because the only people who absolutely, positively, without a doubt, for sure know what happened on that flight aren't here.

St.Pancake

Hugs, love ya.

i plan to see it this weekend as well.

as for whether it's too soon... they could have finished it on 9/13/01 and it wouldn't have been too soon.

as for WaPo... to hell with them, their review, and their crybaby "reporter" who wouldn't stop whining until the TV aboard air force one was switched from fox news to cnn.

I saw it.

A good movie. Stylisticaly very different than the typical Hollywood movie. Although much of the action on the plane had to be created, it was very realistic and plausible. The characters were torn with confusion, fear, doubt, uncertainty and finally, resolve. It was a very realistic movie and much better than the typical Hollywood bilge. Better than I expected.

# 23 Dublin

It's OK. But remember ... YOU CAN STILL BUY A TICKET. Keep it in your wallet.

Dublin(CA)Dude
No need to say anything.
Our hearts are forever linked with your brother, friends, and the other heroes.

By the way, the made up portions of the movie were much more believable than any other movie with a similar task such as "The Perfect Storm"

#20 Fiery Red XIII - Sorry I think it was tonight! Saw it on the Dead Thread so you might scan it and look for comments by Minnesota Ronin or others about the meet-up and move.

"Tariq Ramadan Hearing Barred by the US"

I think they knew he wasn't going to be able to come but they put him on the program anyway. so now he's a martyr to nasty US visa process. :-(
I'm sure the event will be a circus anyway.

Hirsi Ali will also speak Sunday, I got tix to that.

OT, but besides tornado approaching Fort Hood, possible tornado nearing I-35 on Tarrant/Denton County line (not far from Texas Motor Speedway) If it doesn't turn further right, as tornadic cells sometimes do, will stay North of DFW airport and downtown Dallas.

#33 realwest

Dude, how are you feeling? Have you recovered from your last round of chemo? My best with you.

34 Yehudit
Oh, I do hope I am here when you report on that.

#29 Dar ul Harbarian
And there were none of the usual Hollywood faces to distract you.

#23 Dublin

pssst... Don't tell anyone, but I bought two tickets. So that unused one can be yours. There. You supported the effort and didn't need to go near a theater. *hug*

21 24:

The WaPo[spit*] will do everything possible to rehabilitate the terrorists and smear the heroes in its attempt to deny patriotic Americans and family members any iota of closure or pride...

This fcking POS fish wrapper dog trainer has the gall to talk about" inventing details"

The WaPo should FOAD..

Open Thread, Realwest.

23 Dublin(CA)Dude
Understandable.

#38 Killer

A simple "Thank you".

16 Lawrence Schmerel- I believe the pictures of the attacks should be shown everyday on TV so that nobody ever forgets what this war is about. And if the MSM were on our side, every newspaper would print a picture of a WTC jumper everyday- to remind everybody of the hell of that day.

# 39 ted

I don't want closure until every smug-looking crazy-eyed jihadi has gone to his virgins.

#38
#44

Grrr. You speak for me.

PIMF

#39

Since my hockey team was eliminated tonight from the OHL playoffs, I guess I'm free this weekend.
So the WaPo hated it, and found it to be filled with made-up events.
Wonder if that same attention to detail was evident in their reviews of any Michael Moore film.
Once again...the WaPo hated it. Reason enough for me to pony up the bucks to see it.

I will try to see it this weekend. Even my wife wants to see it, and she is, shall we say, a bit left of center. I will take the kids, too, even though it is rated "R". It is very important to me that everyone close to me understands the true evil we saw that day and that we continue to face. I hope this movie will help that understanding.

I plan on seeing the film on Sunday afternoon. My only reservation is that I'll walk out of the theater even angrier than I already am. Oh well, maybe that's a good thing?

#47 stinky

I've read many reviews, all were raves, didn't know the LLL's at WaPo hated it. Damn, I may just get angry enough to go see it.

Or at least buy a ticket and walk away.

There is just no way I'll ever convince my mom to see it.

I gotta get off this thread, I'm not dealing well with it.

Thanks all.

Just saw it. Very well done. Must see.

No PCing the Muslims, etc.

Helps keep it raw.

I'd also add that I live in Manhattan and saw it at the main theatre on the Upper West Side; the main bastion of liberalism.

The theatre was sold out and packed half an hour before the stated show time. You could hear people crying minutes into the movie.

When it ended people looked shocked. I was.

Everyone walked out just kind of looking at each other in silence.

Dublin(CA)Dude
My prayers are with you, and your family, dear

I just flew back from DC yesterday.

I didn't have time to be a tourist, but I did get to see the rebuilt side of the Pentagon (from the cab) which the cabbies said was rebuild to look exactly as it did before.

However, they did build a new set of obstacles in front of that wall, as well as re-routed the roads so that public traffic maintains a larger distance from the facility.

I plan to see it tomorrow night. Just watched Larry King Live . He had the actors and families on. Todd Beamers father was very impressive. Even Larry said it was a womderful movie and that everyone should see it!

Sorry again Dublin Dude...I remember discussing your brother a few weeks ago. I will say a little prayer for him tomorrow night as well.

Any HOU area lizard seeing movie? My wife says she doesn't want to be depressed by watching that again, but I feel like I should go.

BTW, tornado that was near I-35 is North of Tarrant County. Spotters report frequent power line flashes, a strong sign of a tornado at night when the actual funnel can't be seen, about 3 miles North of Alliance Airport, or very near the NASCAR track.

I've seen it. Boy, have I seen it.

This review should be prefaced by a warning. Forget about what you saw in trailers for this film, they are woefully inadequate for what you will see if you chose to watch this film. It's so much more than what you might imagine it to be.

I was afraid to see this movie, afraid of my reaction. I don't deal well with true-life horror, especially if I've already lived the experience. But for the very reason of my fear I decided to go to see United 93, because I dislike always thinking about ghosts, and prefer to banish them from my mind.

This movie completely confounded my expectations. I expected a rather amateurish indie-style film with some nuggets of truth, along with a lot of painful memories. Yes, the painful memories are still there and were re-awakened, but this film is so competent and completely realized in so many ways that anyone who chooses to avoid it for its painful imagery will be doing a disservice to him or herself by doing so.

This move is not like anything I've ever seen in my life. This is a new template for cinema, borrowing from little with which we might be familiar. Filmed in a near real-time style of cinema verite, we are subjected to an immediate style, using handheld cameras and ad lib dialogue like little else I've seen.

But what makes this film so unique is the barebones nature and utter honesty of the director's chosen style. There's no plot, no character development, no lead actors, and for that matter no recognizable actors period in this movie. There is no attempt to embellish, dramatize or otherwise turn this docudrama into a "Hollywood" movie.

It is what it is, and what it is clearly is a triumph of a movie from director Greengrass. It took my breath away, and I still haven't gotten it back.

The movie is highly apolitical, and with the sole exception of some rather unsubtle hints that the ship was bereft of a captain, the entire film focuses on as accurate a retelling of the facts as it could possibly present, with the sole exception the conjecture about the events that took place aboard United flight 93, and those are not only possible, but highly probable conjecture.

Let me warn you: this movie will tear at your heart, and affect you in ways you may not expect. I won't be bothered if some choose not to see it, because that's simply a personal choice. But if you feel that you can handle the emotion that this film will engender - and it WILL engender emotion - then by all means see this movie. It really is that good.

This is an important and profound movie told with honesty and an immediacy that takes your breath away. It's so compelling and intense that it is practically unwatchable. I can't ever remember being more emotionally shaken at the end of a film. At times while viewing this movie I was in tears, at other times I was literally shaking in my seat.

But it is honest story-telling, and unpretentious to a fault. It's one of the best movies I've ever seen, as hard as it was to watch. But hours after leaving the theater I'm very glad that I took the chance on this film, because if it's not the best and most important film that will be released this year, I can't wait to see the film that tops it.

A couple of other things to note. One, although this is an R-rated film, it is for sheer intensity and no other reason. And when I say intensity, you have to understand that there's a significant chance that this will be the most emotionally-charged film you've ever seen in your life.

Two suggestions - mature teenagers can see this film, and don't sit too close to the screen. The handheld camera work could make your eyes go on the blink or induce nausea.

The audience at the showing I went to was completely silent when the film ended. I've only had that experience one other time; when I saw Schindler's List.

/Never Forget

The audience at the showing I went to was completely silent when the film ended. I've only had that experience one other time; when I saw Schindler's List.

/Never Forget

What really surprised me was that much if not most of the audience with me gave applause to the movie at the end.

Me, I was so emotionally overwhelmed that I'm not sure that I could have clapped if I tried. Powerful movie.

The director Paul Greenglass sounds like a dhimmi (from an interview with Roger Ebert):

Paul Greenglass believes that two hijackings took place on Sept. 11, 2001. The director of "United 93," the extraordinary new film about the events of that day, lists them:

1. "Four airplanes were hijacked, leading to the deaths of a large number of innocent people. That hijacking we all acknowledge."

2. "There was also the hijacking of a religion. Because that's what occurred when a group of young men, jihadists, who selectively ignored the great bulk of thousands of years of Islamic tolerance and learning, asserted an absolute perversion of Islam as the one true interpretation."

Source
I guess he knows more about Islam than the millions of Muslims around the world who celebrated on 9/11 and who continue to glory in the attacks of that day.

The last movie I saw in a theatre was Saving Pvt Ryan. I'll go to see this though. My daughter said she'd see it with me (teen heresy!) because its rated R and she's too young to go with friends. Her boyfriend won't see it because he's still reeling from losing his mother in the towers that day.

Poor kid had a tough time being introduced to my daughter's mom (my awesome wife). He says he doesn't know how to talk to moms.

ot:
The twist is he's from Lebanon. He takes pride in how beautiful it was before his family got out.

Here's a link with over 120 official reviews so far.

[Link: www.rottentomatoes.com...]

The reviews are extremely positive.

I'm seeing it this weekend. A friend of mine was a sorority sister of Tom Burnett. She showed me a picture of them at a party.

Plan on seeign it this weekend. Amazes me how the MSM tries to ignore/discredit this as much as possible.

Gracious God!

EVERY Movie, even documentaries, are REPRESENTATIONS of (whatever the facts were)!

Movie on Nixon, Sands of Iwo Jima, Butch Cassidy, JFK... a film can only be 'the truth' about the film, itself, period!

Shame on the Post!

#57 really grumpy big dog johnson

Thank you! Damn good job. Siskel and Ebert who?

We are planning to see it Sunday afternoon.

/Where have you been and we need you here at LGF more!

The made for TV movie had me in tears, and donating to the memorial in that quiet, green field in Pittsburgh.

Did Coke or 7-UP have the product placement of a couple of fastball pitchers cold-cockin some [bigoted word] sandbitch in da chin?

"Let's roll..."

and let's Rock - with some high-tech instant sunrise next time we are attacked.

"let's nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"

I just saw it.
I felt my heart beating from the very beginning.
I just couldn't help it. Some people were crying.

Knowing what is going to happen just make things worse. It gives a terrible feeling of weakness.

If you wonder whether you should see that movie, here's my opinion: I thought I had never forgotten what happened that day, but I did forget what I felt that day. Now I remember.

G-d bless this country and his citizens.

#66 Ann
Don't you love his nic?

#66 Ann
Ann, believe me when I say that I plan on spending much more time here in the future. I have different allegiances at differing times of the year, but I always feel like I'm at home here. I've been missing my comfort zone for some time now.

I know it's not fashionable to stick up for the MSM here, but the slams against the WaPo's treatment of this movie are way off base.

The Post published two articles today about United 93, the one cited above was a discussion of what the film portrays vs. what is known based on the cockpit voice recordings, phone calls made during the flight, and whatever other evidence was available. This article wasn't a review of the movie in artistic or political terms; it was a discussion of the practical and moral issues of making a film about real events, especially such serious events, when our knowledge of those events is incomplete.

There was a separate article reviewing the movie. The title of that article is: Raw Courage:'United 93' Is a Gripping, Sensitive Portrayal of Terror Victims' Brave Final Act. Not exactly a slam.

In the last sentence of the review, the author, Ann Hornaday, writing about both the high quality of the movie and the pain of seeing it says,"'United 93' is a great movie, and I hated every minute of it."

There are lots of things to beat up on the Post about, but this isn't one of them.

As Charles often says, read the whole thing.

Saw it. See it.

#71 JustMyAss

when our knowledge of those events is incomplete

Guess we have to eliminate all movies about: the civil war, WWII, WWI, Vietnam, Korea, the 1920s, Rome, Ancient Greece, the Middle Ages and the jurassic era.

Varifrank has a moving post about United 93; he too suffers from survivor's guilt. But he adds a very important point:

Its extremely important to me that United 93 does well at the marketplace, because if it were to fail, it would give comfort to those who say there is no heroism in fighting back, that there is only heroism in defeat and dissention.

If United 93 fails at the box office, the war on terror will be re-written in our popular culture the way that returning Vietnam vets were re-written from normal people into murdering psychopaths let loose on the general population. Like it or not, what passes for popular culture very often serves as the basis of history. Popular culture is often the lens by which historical events are later interpreted.

If we are not careful to support this movie because of our collective sense of “survivors guilt”, then the failure of United 93 will serve as a springboard for furthering the cause defeatism that permeates most of modern era popular culture. No matter our victories in this war of which United 93 represents just the first, popular culture is already working to marginalize them as inconsequential. A ‘defeat at the marketplace” of United 93, will further make the case for those who think we must “lose to win” in their perverted logic in the worship of failure.

I do not know yet if I can go into a theater this weekend and watch a movie like United 93, but I do know that whether I choose at this point to see the movie or not, I will be buying a ticket to ensure that the legacy of that story is given the respect that it deserves by popular culture.

Link: [Link: www.varifrank.com...]

And disregard the liberal naysayers. It is powerful and THEY KNOW IT.

#71-JustMyView:
I stand corrected. Thank you.

Karridine

I may see it again. Some lines I missed. I'll do a review on my blog when I can do it justice.

MarcusAurelius

Of course they do.

They wouldn't be working themselves in a lather trying to: downplay, discredit, mock and deride this film otherwise.

There is a reason the MSM/Lib/Dem alliance made the "executive decision" to stop airing footage of those planes.

The last thing they want is any emotional response from the populace when they've got propagandin' to do!

Its a lot easier to puke about the "horrors" of a few idiots putting panties on terrorists heads and fart about the governments evil "domestic wiretapping" programs when you are actively BURYING the reason we are in this war in the first place.

#74 CY

Well said.

All-
I accepted correction on my "Shame on the Post" comment.

I do NOT retract ANY of my observations that films are RE-presentations of somebody's re-created view of whatever the reality was.

#73 TMF and I are in complete agreement here: we can NEVER tell the 'whole truth and nothing but the truth' in a film, if for no other reason than that our human minds can ALWAYS find a yabbut in there...

"Yeah, but maybe he DID take it..."
"Yeah, but maybe they WEREN'T Muslims..."

Attitudes aside, Paul Greengrass has achieved the penultimate in movie directing. His inspiration may come from places he may not be aware of.

#70 really grumpy big dog johnson

We all miss you, too!

You are one of the reasons that I felt at home here when I found LGF in February of '04.

So good to see you again!

I need to go to sleep now, but you made my day!

Shoot me an email, if you will and tomorrow I'll catch you up on what's happened over the last year or so!

It's all good :-)

My plans are for Sunday.

Hopefully my brothers and father can go with me.

23 Dublin(CA)Dude, you hang in there.

Us and many untold millions have your back.

More from the WaPo on Flight 93. This link will take you to a web chat in which there's a lot of discussion of Flight 93. This chat took place earlier today, and I don't think any of the chatters had seen the movie yet.

Thus the discussion mainly dealt with how people felt about seeing it. It's clear, though, that Desson Thomson, the Post reviewer who is hosting the chat, is not being critical of the movie---or of anyone's decision or not to see it.

I saw it tonight. It was tough on my heart. It has all the feel of a documentary. The entire audience was silent at the end. I saw it alone, but I turned to the people behind me and asked them what they thought. We all agreed, it rekindled that white hot anger we felt after 9/11.

And while we're on the subject, true heroism is in every American, potentially in every person!

Its the ordinary people, rising to meet extraordinary challenges, that makes it heroic.

Not whether their effort saves their lives or ends in their death, it is the "I Take A Stand Against This Evil, Here, NOW!" that is heroic!

God Bless America!

# 60 Van Impe

I don't know if Greenglass is a dhimmi or he's just been brainwashed by conventional wisdom. I mean, even Bush spouts crap like that.

I hope his eyes continue to open.

Greenglass is a hard lefty socialist, per Medved.

Interesting that he would do this movie.

#57 hit the nail on the head.

'Nuff said.

Go see this movie.

This movie is not like anything I've ever seen in my life. This is a new template for cinema, borrowing from little with which we might be familiar. Filmed in a near real-time style of cinema verite, we are subjected to an immediate style, using handheld cameras and ad lib dialogue like little else I've seen.

Yep that's a Paul Greengrass film for you. I'd strongly recommend anyone who likes this style of filmaking to rent Bloody Sunday.

#73 TMF

Guess we have to eliminate all movies about: the civil war, WWII, WWI, Vietnam, Korea, the 1920s, Rome, Ancient Greece, the Middle Ages and the jurassic era.

Did you READ the article? The writer was not arguing that the movie should not have been made. I don't think it's unreasonable to consider how much of a movie based on real events is historically accurate and how much is a product of the artists imagination and inferences, and that's all this writer is doing.

Seems to me that, when people discuss portrayals of historical events, it's pretty common to hear people say things like, "That's not really how it happened," or "That's really how it was," or "The way they portrayed that makes a lot of sense."

#87

Greengrass is a lib...but he has a thing about people who kill innocent people. If American liberals were more like him this war on terror might be over by now.

I saw it today...powerful. I plan to see it again soon...and maybe even a third time.

#56 Ed

I plan to see it on Monday. In honor of the May Day pro illegal strike.

I just saw it with my dad, a WWII vet...was worried about going after seeing a few people shaken up by it, and when I asked him if he would be upset, he shook his head (I think he saw a lot of bad things overseas as a vet).

It was intense. But great. I feel I missed some things because towards the end it goes kind of fast, so in fact I want to see it again. At the same time, I still feel sad, but it's so inspiring too.

Those of you not going to the movie theaters I you SHOULD go see this movie. It is a wonderful movie (I have seen the latter half of it) nthat simply amazed me. In fact the little bit of the movie I saw made me want to see it from begining to end. So one again...GO SEE IT!

Didn't see it yet, probably Sunday. (Have to make sure the trainees don't hurt themselves firing the tanks at the range tomorrow.) I did watch the history channel tonight and they had a documentery on Flight 77 (the first one to hit the World Trade Center) and then one on getting all the US airspace cleared on that day. Learned a couple of things in that one, like that one coast to caost flight that was grounded had 5 Arab looking men get off and out of the airport in a hurry when the plane got bgack to the gate. I don't think that they were ever actually tracked down because their identities were faked.

While United 93 is filmed in real time and follows the known facts as closely as possible, it is still a work of fiction, so nobody going to it should expect every conversation in the cabin to be word for word truth of what happened. I think that viewing the movie will re-stoke the anger that I felt that day, and hopefully make people realize that if our actions in Iraq, or the "secret CIA prisons" or the NSA eavesdropping have prevented just one attack on this country, (all three of which most likely did) then they are worth the effort.

#59 Really Grumpy..
Haven't seen you here in a while. Boy it seems like a lot of familiar faces are showing up here at LGF. I'm going to have to get myself out of lurking mode. That was a superb piece of writing, Mr. Johnson.

I'm not sure if I will go. I still carry such a white hot rage, and such deep deep hatred in me that I am actually afraid of anything that will tap into it.

There.
I said it.
That's as honest as I can be.
Afraid.

JWM

I've just bought my tickets online for the 4:30 showing tomorrow. I want to see this movie, and I don't want to see it. I am a bit worried about the feelings that it will rekindle in me, but I feel that this movie needs to be seen. I will see this movie alone, at least the first time, it is sort of a, hmm, personal experience? No, blah, it's hard to explain.

I lost one of my old army buddies in the attack on the pentagon, it brought on a rage I have never felt before or since, and I wonder what emotions this movie will bring out, or bring back.

Just got back form our MN Lizard United 93 meet up...

I'll let the guys speak more for themselves, but I'll say we all thought it was good.

The shockwave that ran through my body seeing the second plane hit the World Trade Center...it felt like 9/11 all over. I felt a raw urge to jump up and attack these four hijackers with my American brothers and sisters as though I was on the plane with them. I will never forget them, and may God comfort their families and loved ones.

And Charles- thank you for the thread.

I saw the movie Flight 93 this afternoon. I am a Disney type person and the number of R movies I have seen in my 45 years I can count with one hand (The Passion of Christ being one of them). This is a movie that needs to be seen. It is extremely powerful and intense precisely because it is real life, these people you can related to because you have been there. After the movie there was just total silence in the theater.
Cautions:
1. The F word is used about 5 times, but in extremely appropriate places, as normal speech for some people.
2. While the murder of people is done very mutley, there is blood.
3. Depending on where you were when 9/11 happened, you may have some flashbacks.

Good Points
1. It is not a downer movie. It shows people can work togethe to overcome evil.
2. The movie ends before the plane crash.
3. It has an excellent contrast scene where the hijackers are praying and the passengers are praying, reciting the 23rd Psalm. It shows the contrast between people are willing to kill theirselves and others for their god and people who are willing to lay down their lives to save others. One worships death, the other celebrates life.
4. It is an extremely powerful and moving film, but not in a bad way, but in a postive way..
I will never forget that day as long as I live, I had just come into work and they had CNN on, saying a small commuter plane had hit the World Trade Center. Then a little while later we watched in horror as the 2nd tower got hit. Then later the news came on that the Pentagon had been hit. This did bring back those moments because I believe they used the actually CNN footage (but it is on a TV screen in the movie). That was when I shed a few tears in the movie, and a few tears when everyone was saying goodbye to their loved ones.
I think they rated it R because it is so intense - if it were not for the F word, they probably would have given it a PG-13.
So screw up your nerve and go see the movie. For Remembrance and to Honor those who stood up together to stop evil from causing more death and bloodshed.

#98 jwm
I respect your decision, certainly. I understand where you are coming from.

Does anyone think that there will be the same angst in the MSM about the speculative nature of some events when Oliver Stone releases his movie about 9/11?

3. It has an excellent contrast scene where the hijackers are praying and the passengers are praying, reciting the 23rd Psalm.

I agree with your post. But some passengers were praying the Lord's Prayer.

I also loved the ending. The director did it perfectly.

I saw it at noon Friday. I wished the audience I saw it was was all silent when it ended. Unfortunately there was a wacko anti-Bush person who loudly muttered that the worded "epilogue" that is on the screen about events after the flight crashes was "a lie". At one point it mentions something about "at 12:18 all commercial flights were grounded... until further notice."

The nut ball loudly said, "you know that's a lie, right? The President actually allowed the Saudi family to fly away. So all flights really weren't grounded." Yes, he said that word for word.

If it wasn't such a somber moment not deserving of instant politically charged debate I would have tried to take on his "facts". As I recall, it wasn't the President that allowed the the Saudi family to leave... it was Richard Clark... And if one would like to get nit-picky, (I quite possibly may be mis-remembering this) the Saudi-family plane wasn't a commercial flight, it was effectively a private charter.

I dunno, I wished I had sat further away from the man so I wasn't able to hear his conspiratorial bleat... it really tainted my enjoyment...

jwm-

One poster told me he couldn't come here tonight to comment because he thought he'd say something ban-worthy. He's pissed. That's not neccisarily bad, though.

Sick as a dog today, so I didn't get to see it. However, I do plan on seeing it and I'm approaching it the same way that I approached the Passion of the Christ. It's something that is important to me, but it's like deciding on elective surgery. You know it's something that needs to be done, but you still queesy going to the doctor's office.

I saw United 93 this morning at the first showing.

I thought the movie was very well done, and accuratly depticted the events (or as accurate as you can be in a feature film format).

The movie did great credit to the heros on the plane, and did not flinch at who the evil scum who perpetrated the crime were.

I felt that the movie was somewhat like a horror movie as well. You know whats going to happen, because you know the story, but you are riveted and horrified anyway.

Unfortunatly even in relativly conservative Orange County California we have a moonbat infestation. At the showing there was an old man who couldn't contain his ravings.

In the middle of the film he said, loudly and apparently to someone behind him "Bush and Cheney knew...", then quieted down...till the end.

At the end of the movie he stood up, turned around and started ranting to the audience about how Bush knew, and German intelligence gave warnings months before blah blah blah.

I, and several members of the audience shouted at him to shut the hell up. At this point he stormed out of the theater mumbling to himself about how dumb he thought we were.

What a horses ass, even if I had any sympathy for his rubber room fantasy, which I don't, I still didn't come to the movies to listen him him prattle about it.

107 Eric Anderson

Actually, the Saudi Flight didn't take place until a few days later when the ban was lifted. (aka "further notice".)

#111

Thanks for that tankdemon. I knew there was something terribly off about what the anti-Bush guy ranted about, and that as phrased the movie covered themselves just fine with their wording.

111 PIMF

Eric, sorry that I misspelled your name.

Does anyone think that there will be the same angst in the MSM about the speculative nature of some events when Oliver Stone releases his movie about 9/11?

Oliver who?

Seriously- no. And that's fine. Let the msm blatantly show their bias some more. I'm sure it'll help thier bottom line.

Folks, see it. Just go see it.

I think the most intense thing of all about the
movie is everything is so ordinary every-day. People going to work, getting on a flight. Things most people have done without even thinking about it. Then the unthinkable happens as it happened that day and the world changes. It could have been anyone of us on those planes, that is why you are so drawn into the movie, it is real life.

I'm going to see it again.

I went to see it at its first showing in Pittsburgh today a little after noon. I went alone and there were only about 8 other people in the theater. A local TV station sent a reporter to ask people questions after seeing it. I was asked if I would answer a few, but I said no. Nobody else did, or could, either.

The film is intense. It's eerily real. It's not preachy or apologetic in any way. It's by far the most necessary film I have ever seen.

You need to see this film.

I think I need to see this movie, but I am a bit concerned about my reaction, particularly if some of our local moonbats start spouting their insane nonsense.

I so tried to get back into the military after 9-11 and, for some reason, I feel guilty about not being able to (too old my ass!) and not being over "there" when the time came.

Its funny how long anger can last, how it can grow as the LLL's continually crap on our country, and how it can color your whole outlook on life. I know I'll never look at this world the same again.

#113

It's been mis-spelled, mis-pronounced, whatever, all my life. Not a problem!

I have not seen it yet, I did view the trailer. I can't help but wonder, what if that plane took off on time?

I am not at all happy that it was not shown in my city this weekend.

Hi Fatal!

You do need to see this movie. You won't be sorry. And don't worry about moonbats- just tell them shut-up.

Just got back from an early evening showing here.

Wow.

One truly needs to see it for oneself -- it literally is indescribable. As posted before, it's almost a genre unto itself. It's not a docudrama per se, but more of a docudocudrama I guess ...

Incredibly well done -- yeah I may see it again -- the tension (which builds literally from the 1st second of the film) envelopes you, then all of the sudden it acclerates in the last maybe 15 minutes to an absolute fever pitch as the passengers & stewardesses, entirely on thier own, devise, refine, and execute their plan to retake the plane. I noticed the T. Burnett character was portrayed as the "head" of the re-taking effort, dunno how accurate that is, but several passengers are shown playng leadership roles in what is probably the most honest possible retelling.

This film deserves a $50+mil. opening as mich as any film has in a long, long time -- even if you think it will be too disturbing, at least try to see it once -- yes your heart gets pulled every which way, and broken more than once, but at the end you leave the theater feeling quietly triumphant, thankful for those courageous souls, and renewed with a sense of purpose that we must (and shall) defeat our present enemy.

I just got back from the 10 pm cst showing of the movie. Needless to say, the needle is now pegged on my disdain meter, and I was pretty damn angry before I went into the theater.

Luckily, this is the Delta south, so the moonbat to redneck ratio is pretty low. I did not have to deal with any childish moonbat rantings in the theater. Instead, during the opening scene of the film, some one in attendance bellowed "Fuck Arabs!". After the final scene of the movie, someone shouted "Never forget!" and a few folks applauded.

I couldn't clap. I was too sick to my stomach with anger. I truly hate Islam with every fiber of my being.

# 121 g m

Good question -- we'll never know -- but we should be thankful for about the only break we got that day, huh?

# 124 b t

Luckily even out here in cali west we had a quiet, respectable crowd ...

At the end, a couple folks started to clap, but 90+% just stayed silent, overwhelmed as we were, and they just stopped ...

Buckaroo

They had more of a chance to fight back because of it. Much better than no or little chance.

#126 Buckaroo

Same here with the clapping. It was a bit anemic. Most people were solemn. I didn't hear anyone else say a word, even during the march out the door into the parking lot.

Oh yeah, I didn't much care for the "dedicated to all those who lost their lives on 9/11/01" screen at the end because it, IMO, does give backhand honor to the foul 19, I know the article about it has been linked to before but I really can't understand what drove Greengrass to change it ...

Hey W-lover!

I AM going, one way or another. I may have to wait a week or so before I go, but I will go.

# 128 bt

Heard precisely one thing spoken on the way out by an elderly gentlemen -- "wonder why thery're aren't more people here?"

[was an early show in a large theater -- prob. only ~30% (that is to say, maybe 80 or so)folks present]

Saw it.

It's not too soon.

The theater was totally quiet at the end. You could've heard a pin drop. A couple of people were crying.

5 minutes into the movie my stomach was in knots, and it only got worse. It is really a ride. The tension that's created in this movie is just unbelievable, and #116 pepperpot has nailed it -- the thing about it is how ordinary everybody is. Everybody has been on a Flight 93 in their lives at least once.

One thing occurs to me after watching it. There will never be another Islamist hijacking of this nature in the US. Ever. They might as well disband the TSA. Screen for bombs and whatever, but you might as well send the air marshals home. No one who's seen this movie will get on an airplane and think about the air travel in the same way ever again.

#129 Buckaroo

I agree with you about the dedication at the end. It pissed me off. I forgot about it until you mentioned it. I suppose I forgot because I was already so consumed with anger.

# 133 bt

Yeah, I'll just mentally skip over those few seconds next time I see it ...

:-(

I'm following reaction to this movie on another board and the responses are just amazing.

The conspiracy nuts are out in full force, as are the people who believe this is all about money and exploiting the families and blah, blah, blah. And then you have the "we don't know what happened and we'll never know" crowd...

You'd think this film would be a unifying event.

You'd think that people would remember the anger and the shock of that morning, and be inspired by what happened on UAL 93.

But you'd be wrong.

# 135 P F

Thus proving it's not "too soon" for this film, but some 2+ years too late ...
:-(

#136

I'm afraid you're right.

I've been following the messages about the film on another board too, and I have to say I have never known there were so many nutty people in my life...one conspiracy theory is that the plane landed safely and the people were escorted off to a secret location by NASA(!) Maybe they are not being serious and they are just trying to get a rise out of people. I hope.

# 138 MLL

Welcome!

Yeah, I've never figured out the motivation behind the three main conspiracy posits of 9/11 -- the towers were brought down by explosives (where was it hidden? how much was there? do you know a single thing about metallurgy?) the pentagon was hit by a missle (and the portions of the fuselage, engines, landing gear, etc. found at the site came from what?) and flight 93 was shot down, put into the ground "by accident," leviatated to Ohio, whatever (the 6 fighters in the air at the time of the crash were paired up in the following manner -- 2 over NYC, 2 over DC, 2 en route from the midwest -- none within dozens of miles, and the black box recording makes it pretty clear the good guys were in the cockpit at the very end)

I don't think many people realize how out of hand this conspiracy thing is getting. I'm not sure what anyone can really do about it though, seeing as the State Dept. has an entire 9/11 conspiracy debunking website. Popular Mechanics has debunked it. NOVA has debunked it. LGF'ers and anti-idiotarians debunk it at every opportunity.

I had pretty much dismissed all these conspiracy-mongers all as moonbats, but the constant repetition of their bullshit has started to sway a lot of people in the general population.

I'm really worried about it.

I will go on Saturday to honor my AKPsi Fraternity Brother, Thomas Burnett...one of the Heroes.

# 140 P F

Eh, there's a disturbing large % of the population who has it horribly wrong re: 11/22/63 too, but we've survived ...

#65 Carridine,

I take it that you won't be spending any mone on this film at all then. You've passed judgement yet you have not seen it. According to the attitude of your postm anyone who sees this movie is an idiot you know what's right and wrong for everyone here. You should be in government. You will go far in your world.

# 141 M

As I posted above, he is the one shown basically helming the entire re-taking -- I'm sure you are so proud of him as we all are ...

# 143 E

FWIW, I think you are putting words in his mouth. His last line "Shame on the Post" seems to indicate he was unhappy with the article as it unfairly inpungns the film ...

#107 Eric Anondson

I dunno, I wished I had sat further away from the man so I wasn't able to hear his conspiratorial bleat... it really tainted my enjoyment...

Don't take this as an insult to you and I know that you (in hind site), with the proper knowledge would have possible countered this asshole but I guess that's where many of us differ.

Instead of farther away I wish I could be closer to the that turd. I really do! This is the primary difference between people who beleive in democracy but won't do anything do stand for what's right and acutally have the balls to defend it.

Fear and ignorance is a plaque in our society that we must overcome (the tactic of terrorism), or we all loose sooner or later. Never back down or cower in public to some asshole who spews vomit and feces from his mouth about which he has no logical juristicion or merit.

I hope next time you see this movie (hint) that you will be more prepared to confront this shit. Don't let physical intimidation and mafia style tatics dictate to you how you act in public when confronted with pure idiocy.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but some of the reviews are really disturbing, and I made a post about them. And I quoted someone in this thread.

The jihadists are encourage and supported by America's and the worlds real enemies. Where is all the tactical and material support really comming from.

I have a clue for you.

From Russia with love

They are praying and begging for the demise of America. They seem to be doing a pretty good job of convincing other here and abroad of this very thing.

I haven't seen that film, but there are certain things I believe to be true about the battle to save our civilization. I just had a thought about what we have been doing wrong. For starters, we have spent far too long seeing Muslims as overgrown children who should be seen to by social workers, and not as adults who should have to be like us and earn our respect if they're to be seen as equals, therefore leading to so many mistakes as to how we handle them. Childish insults like "Jews are the sons of pigs and monkeys" which could almost have come out of any school playground, are being used to justify the murder of innocent Israelis. Likewise, other childish insults are being used as a device to murder innocent infidels at will. Because we are behaving like social workers, we will continue to think that "we must have done something to offend them" and as a result the terror atrocities are mounting up, with the loss of thousands of innocent lives and misery for thousands more, not to mention a hefty bill to clean up the mess the barbarians leave behind. Its time we dropped the social worker attitudes towards Muslims and behaved more like the strict headmaster of old (say the 1950s or earlier), where pupils who did wrong were caned across their backsides, and began to assoiciate wrongdoing with a sore backside. Those same pupils from that era would overwhelmingly say the cane did them no harm and taught them the difference between right and wrong. Its about time we showed that attitude towards Muslim upstarts who want to destroy infidels. Give them sharp cracks when they step out of line, and drive into them the truth about the wickedness of their religion. Make them see that if they kill innocent infidels they will be punished - and severely. Target the hate-peddling Islamic governments, terrorists, clerics and imams for destruction. Nothing less. Let them reside in Satans firepit where they belong. Its time to take off the kid gloves and give them the sharp end of the mailed fist. Our civilization comes first. You couldn't expect past folks lke Winston Churchill, Theodore Roosevelt, or in ancient times Augustus Caesar and Alexander the Great letting these barbarians holding us to ransom and killing our citizens at will.

# 62 jr2:

One review quoted by RottenTomatoes had me in stitches:

"Not since 'Bowling for Columbine' has a movie left me so shaken up or so close to tears; that alone is a testament to Greengrass' achievement."

-- Edward Douglas, COMINGSOON.NET

"Not since 'Bowling for Columbine' has a movie left me so shaken up or so close to tears"? Good grief! Still LOL!

AOL Had THIS 9/11 Film As The #1 News Story Today

Called Loose Change, it is being downloaded from the Internet and shown in small screenings here and overseas. It is not alone in the genre, and it is not unusual in American history either to offer simplistic explanations or demonize opponents...Christian Pecaut, 25, a Stanford graduate who is promoting the film at the University of California, Berkeley campus, said the film is "catchy, hip," with an "upbeat soundtrack."

I hope none of my tax dollars are going to these idiots. I despise college kids.

Alas, I will not be going to see it. I can't even watch the commercial without breaking down into racking, uncontrolled sobbing. I had the same reaction to a graphic novel (comic book) about the events at the Twin Towers, and that was in the middle of Barnes & Noble.

JustMyView is an idiot. Ignore her.

Dunn Loring, Va.: I've read that Laura Bush is quite taken with "Akeelah and the Bee" and as someone who's seen it, I couldn't agree more. But I wonder if Mrs. Bush knows that Akeelah is from the same company that gave America "Fahrenheit 911" and "Crash" among other films presumably not on the Bush family's "must-see" list. Am I the only one who finds this irony delicious?

Desson Thomson (BAldy: File Reviewer & Laura Bush Critic): I'm sure you're not the only one who enjoys that irony!

WaPo is TRASH, as Are Their Hired Help What kind of jerk insults the First Lady? I wonder if he's even a citizen.

#143-Egfrow, you REALLY mis-read me!

I was correcting papers late at night (in Bangkok) when a call came to turn on the TV...

I did, and will NEVER FORGET!

IF/WHEN the film comes to Bangkok, I'll take my sons (13 and 11) to see it, and when the CD comes out, I'll buy a copy!

I've read the reviews here, the transcripts, the moonbat blathering, but Egfrow, I BELIEVE in the learned goodness and courage of Americans (having SERVED active duty with them) and I pray that I have a chance to do more than post supportive, intelligent comments on blogs, before I die!

I may be the only terrorism survivor who regularly posts at LGF.

I won't be seeing this film. I just don't think I could take it. It's called PTSD. Post-traumatic stress disorder.

It's now getting on to 5 a.m., the time when the bomb went off back in 1968. I am rarely able to sleep before 5 a.m.

My father, the good liberal that he was, always said, "Snap out of it!"

At his funeral, I stood over his grave, and said, "Snap out of it!"

#97 tankdemon 4/28/2006 09:32PM PDT

Flight 77 (the first one to hit the World Trade Center)

I stand corrected in my comment #21. I got my flight numbers mixed up. What was the one that hit the Pentagon?

Even the Boston Globe gave it a very good review, with no LLL caveats.

I mentioned this on another thread: the movie theaters make money (or at least most of it) on their concession stands, not the movie itself. Go to the movie, forget the popcorn. But do see the movie.

156 rickl

You were correct and I was the one confused. AA Flight 77 was the Pentagon Flight. The first one to hit the Trade Center was AA Flight 11.

//blushing with embarassment.

I haven't seen a movie so highly rated on Rotten Tomatoes in a long time.

I'm going to go see it, with or without my sweetie, but not without a big box of Kleenex. I was blubbering all through the History Channel's program last night about the American Airlines flight that slammed into the WTC first, so I'll probably be even worse during this movie.

# 155 mardukhai

You get PTSD from a terrorist attack. LLL's get it from Bush winning an election.

Stand strong friend, and don't forget, even if you can't bring yourself to see the movie, YOU CAN STILL BUY A TICKET.

#155 mardukhai
At his funeral, I stood over his grave, and said, "Snap out of it!"

LOL! Good for you.
SO... did he?
;~}

I am very sorry to hear of your trouble... indulge me in saying something to you about it...(disclaimer: no I am NOT Tom Cruise, or a freakin scientologist!) I dont believe that pyschiatry/pyschology can help people in your situation. IMO they get you to mediitate on the problem and make it bigger, they get you to almost "worship" the problem, if you can see what I mean by this. If you have been "treated" over the years and "diagnosed" with PTSD IMO all they did was ingrain the problem deeper into you and give you an "excuse" (dont take that the wrong way please) to never conquer it.

There is a way out of it. However it takes focused and willful self-mind control on the victims part, and alot of practice, to cease thinking about it. Deep faith in God helps immensely, more than any shrink. But it can be done. You can get past it, I dont care how long it has haunted you. But not by some ass telling you to snap out of it!

Be well please, I will keep you in my prayers.

# 154 Carridine

Are you a Thai? It looks like your country has it worse than ours at the moment friend. I hope you discover what you have to do to fight back successfully against your Muslims. We can learn from you.

I've become increasingly convinced that there is a philosophical battle we need to fight as well as a military battle. Just as we fought against Communism with every intellectual and philosophical tool in our arsenal, we must do the same with Islam. But we can't as long as we are shackled by PC.

My response to the movie, and the Flight 93 Memorial, is here. Far too much for a comment, sorry.

I'm a 40 yr. old first time father with a new three month old at home, but I am going to the local theater just to purchase a few tickets. Still I recognize that the message of the pure evil of Islamism is too much for some people to accept. This is their right, it is simply sad that after the next attack, these same people and our legacy media will blame President Bush and the military despite not having lifted a finger to help fight the war on Islamism.

Thank you, Paul Greengrass for making this movie and God bless the families of the 9/11 victims and our fallen soldiers.

"Never Forget" is more than a bumper sticker slogan to those who choose to remember.

Perhaps the bumper sticker should be changed from "Never Forget" to "Choose to Remember"?

I saw it. It is a powerful, and filmed with a realism and attention to detail you only find in documentaries. It captures the events that day and shows the confusion and disbelief that happened in responding to such an outrageous attack. I encourage everyone to see it.

My younger son was in first grade when we were attacked. He is 10 now, and not a day goes by that he doesn't ask me how the war is going or if I think America will be attacked again. That my child is growing up with this anxiety is the main reason why I viserally hate Islamists and why I pray for all the children and parents who love them around the world who live with the threat of terrorism higher than ours.

I took a group of students to visit the Flight 93 memorial (we lived about 45 minutes away). The volunter guide was fantastic. She explained what facts we know and how we know them. Let me share just 2:

1. A flight attendent called her family, knowing it was probably to say goodbye. Instead of tears, she was elated. She said, "I get to throw boiling water on them!"
I don't know if this is in the movie.

2. The plane crashed two air seconds from a school. As a mom and a teacher, I thank heaven that they were spared.

After seeing the movie, I have but one comment:

It must be shown in every classroom around America!

Sadly, I think I know when that will happen.

I took off from work yesterday afternoon to see the movie. There were probably twenty people in the theater, all middleaged or more. During the movie there was nothing said, except one lady who had a nervous laugh at one scene. I don't think she could help it. Everyone was fidgiting in their seats. At the end, not a word.

This movie is not "too soon." It is years late.

I'm going to see it today or tomorrow. For all the bedwetting foaming-at-the-mouth conspiracy nuts have them watch Penn & Teller.

Goddessoftheclassroom-

My oldest son is about the same age as yours, and my other son is about two years behind. I also get upset and angry when they ask me tough questions on the WoT.

But the worst question, by far, was right after 9/11, when the NFL went back to work. My oldest and I were watching the game in New York, and it started to rain- hard. I asked him, "Can you see the rain on the TV?" He asked me, "Mommy- will the rain help put out the smoke and fire?" I was pissed that these assholes would make a five year old ask a question like that. And also quite touched by my son's innocence.

I too plan on taking my children to see this movie. The violence is nothing worse than they've seen before, and heck- they've heard me use a couple of the profane words.

#168 Bubbaman

I can't show R-rated movies in their entirety, but I can show clips. When United 93 is available, I will do so. It will make an interesting discussion as part of my unit on the literature of the American Revolution (Patrick Henry, Ben Franklin, Thomas Paine, etc.).

You can go to Yahoo and rate United 93 for yourself...

(I gave it an A+)

W-Lover

My younger son wants to go to the Naval Academy and become a doctor so that he can save our soldiers (Marines, sailors, airmen) who fight.

My older son (8th grade, in my English class--what fun) wants to become an intelligence officer so that be can hunt down terrorists.

When we all got from from school on 9/11/01, my older boy said, "Mommy, I'm scared"

(Do I have to say how much hatred coursed through my veins?)

I answered, "We're Americans. We don't get scared; we get even."

I will NEVER stop fighting for our country, in every way however small.

It was like watching the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan... for an hour and a half.

It was the most intense movie experience I have ever been to.

Goddess-

Your sons are great. God bless them. Mine also talk of being soldiers- but they also still want to be sports stars, policemen, fire fighters, and engineers. LOL! They might stick with soldier after they see this film.

W-lover

As long as we raise our boys to be good men who love their families and country, and who do their duty to both, we'll have done well.

(the same goes for raising girls, but I don't have any)

(the same goes for raising girls, but I don't have any)

LOL! Neither do I, but I agree. I think boys with strong mothers go on to become great men. (Not trying to knock you dads)

Ah, that WaPo story on Flight 93 brings back so many warm fuzzy memories of similar page A1 articles shredding the factual accuracy of such films as Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 421, Oliver Stone's Kennedy assasination epic, the environmental masterpiece 'The Day After Tomorrow', and Al Gore's little Global Warming ditty.

Ah, the memories. The sweet sweet memories. Thank you, WaPo, for keeping the country so very well informed!

mardukhai -- I don't agree with BabbaZee -- if treatment works for you -- please keep at it.

If not, keep searching, G-d will lead you where he wants you to be.

I went to see it last night.

I’m embarrassed to say I walked out just as it started.

This overwhelming sense of dread made me so anxious I was almost shaking (I’m not usually the nervous / anxious type).

I wasn’t upset so much as terribly nervous – very keyed up - the air just kind of gets thin and hard to breath, if you know what I mean.

I saw lots of angry – accusatory looks as I grabbed my coat and left.

I’m terribly ashamed & feel like I should apologize to someone.

I’m sorry.

I’ve no doubt it’s a profoundly moving/upsetting movie to experience, especially in a group setting.

When it comes out on DVD, I’ll probably watch it at home, alone.

#181 Blue Chip

No need to apologize. I know that feeling, too.

That's a very good description of what this film does to you.

ggt
Not being argumentative with you, sincerely -
I am not trying to convince you to agree - but I want to explain to you why I made the remark - if M still cant sleep till 5 AM passes, and this event occured in 1968 - and M has been receiving treatment (I assume he has since he has a "diagnosis") ... it aint workin'.
I speak from watching an Uncle of mine, a vet, who "recieved treatment" for a similar problem for almost 40 years. All they did was make him deeply believe in his problem and hang onto it deeply, make it his entire premise of life.
He was not freed from it till he stopped "taking treatment" for it from so called professionals and tried another way.
So it is merely my opinion, based on observation, that sometimes the shrinks have a vested interest in you being "disturbed"...
not in you being cured.

Saw it at a matinee yesterday. The theater was about 3/4 full, despite it being the middle of the afternoon. Intense is definitely the word - I was shivering throughout the movie. And when it ended, the theater was eerily silent and more than one person was wiping away tears (myself included). No moonbat comments (I'm in a suburb of Dallas - I can count the number of moonbats I've run into around here on one hand), thank God. I would have had words for such an idiot if they had.

Blue Chip-

If nothing else your ticket purchase will help send a signal to hoLLLywood, the msm and barking moonbats everywhere. Maybe you can try again- just remember the Courage you're there to see.

UNITED 93: A REVIEW

babbazee --I too know someone who suffered from WWII with PSTD. Treatment then was alcohol.

I agree, talk therapy is not the only answer. There are pharmacological products only available in the last 15 years or so that can help some victims.

I also think individuals have to use many tools to find relief --medication and therapy being only two. Faith, meditation, exercize, fishing are helpful to some. It is also important to control other conditions one may have (diabetes, high blood pressure etc)

Once certain brain chemicals are depleted or permantly off balance, meds are necessary, but often, not the only treatment necessary.

Unfortunately, there is no "magic bullet". My concern is when people turn away from the medical establishment and in their illness get shafted by charlatans or live the rest of their life in misery when a new treatment may help.

My son saw it yesterday at the first showing by his school. He thought it was an excellent movie.

I plan on seeing it tonight after a day at the range.

w-lover and goddessoftheclassroom,

I too have two little boys, ages 2 and 7.

And I am a strong woman/mother too...a former "Dem" who snapped out of it after Sept. 11th and turned to the other side.

I'm already speaking to my 7 year old about the responsibilities he has as an American...to stand up for himself, to protect liberty and freedom...and that sacrifices were made before him of brave souls who cleared the way for all of us.

He "gets it"...he's somehow aware of the danger lurking and I am not going to shield him from the world's dangers.

One day, he may have to face ruthless barbarians and I want him to be prepared.

I think there are mothers all over this country doing the same...as it seems.

God bless our children! May they stay safe...and free!

Mr wife and I saw the first showing Friday. There were about three dozen other viewers. This film is incredible, from every dimension: artistic, emotional, political. "Saving Private Ryan" and "The Passion" films only come close to the emotional impact this film had on us and, from what I could see, the other viewers. As we all sat silently, the screen dark, I yelled out "God bless America!" Applaluse and "Amens" were the response.

ggt -
I understand and respect your POV.
For me...after my uncle's example and plenty of other first and second hand experiences, I began to study the history of psychiatry and in particular the language of psychiatry, the language of anything always reveals the premise of life... and I find Freud to be a madman; a perverse lapsed Jew who stole the principals of human nature as related in Torah, stripped God from it,
(actually, mentally he deified himself) and renamed it in a very disturbing Orwellian poltico-propaganda type speak. 90% of fundamental leftist secular humanism gets it's thought language from the language of Freud and a few others.
Intellectually it is rooted deeply in a victims mentality which paves the way for submissive thought... which makes possible totalitarian thought...it is one of the foundations of nihilism. IMO Freud was actually evil.
Many despise this opinion of mine, which is fine. I don't want to convert anyone. But that all enters into my thinking on the subject so I disclose it in the disussion.
this is an interesting read and not written from a religious or partisan POV
[Link: www.richardwebster.net...]

madmama-

It's funny how the kids do "get it". And welcome to our ranks.

I just talked to my ex, told him I'm taking the kids to see this movie, because they need to know what they will be inheriting.

I'm also taking my oldest with me to a political convention next week. I want him to see how our political system works. If you're right, and mothers all over the country are taking "America 101" into their own hands- this country will have an incredible generation of Americans coming up.

God bless you & yours.

I saw it on Friday at a 1:30 pm showing at Times Square in NYC. 50 people or so...

Just before the film began, a woman wearing Muslim headgear came in and I saw a lot of people look nervously at her, like maybe she had a bomb or was going to disrupt the screening.

But ththe audience was stone cold silent throughout... New York audiences are notoriously disruptive - especially at Times square theaters but there was not a peep. No one moved.
I could feel my heart racing in a lot of scenes. As for the final scenes, I have never seen such primal rage conveyed by the actors as they try to storm the cockpit. Fueled by the primal instinct to survive...

There were a bunch of news crews interviewing people outside. I told some people from Japanese TV that I had volunteered at Ground Zero for months and even though I still had nightmares from that experience, I was very glad I saw it.

Babba --Freud was a madman. He was also not a psychiatrist. I think he called himself a psychoanalyst. Difference between an MD and a PHD?

GGT
Wouldnt matter if he had 90 degrees or if he was Rasputin, they rooted their language and their thought life in it...their faith...
a lie gets around the world twice before the truth even has a chance to get his pants on.. ;~x

I dont think I can watch this movie in public, I had to be physically supported leaving Shindlers List, and my connection to that event is far more remote to me than my connection to 9/11 is... that being said, I support the film, I am happy it is public ~ and I hope many people go see it.

#170 cabalofdoom

Alright, I took the bait and linked to the penn & teller video.

I'll admit my bias up front, I am not a big fan of this duo.

However, it hit the nail right on the head. After watching their video, it makes me feel like grabbing the throat of these conspiracy assholes, and squeezing until the blackout occurs.

Which I guess will be a problem for me when I go to see the film. What will be my reaction to some asshole who feels the need to inform me that I am being fooled by Rove and the minions.

I know, I know. Nonetheless, thanks for the post.

Saw the movie yesterday, a must see to remind us that we are at WAR! Take all of your moonbat friends and buy them a free popcorn!

Not so smart for muslims to link up with christian mexican groups to protest on May one. Even "Jose can see" will get it after this movie!

#194- ggt:

Freud was an MD and a psychiatrist first. He was already a psychiatrist when he invented psychoanalysis.

sommerville - thanks for the correction. I don't think the field of neurology was as advanced as it is now. So much of it was "observe and theorize".

Now we have hard data -- Its a different world in Mental Health that it was even 20 years ago.

Freud had some F*^%ed up ideas about women -- closet homosexual IMHO.

I had the luxury of viewing this film in San Clemente, CA. We have lots of retired Marines and lots of Marine spouses (I'm ex-Army, as were my father and grandfather). We had a large crowd in an early showing, no moonbats. I can just imagine what would have happened if someone had started ranting during this film.

There is something about these people doing the honorable thing that just gets to me. I haven't cried since that day but I cried many times yesterday. I saw the movie early in the afternoon and was spent for the day, in anger and in sadness.

I'm over my sadness and now I'm just pissed. I feel guilty again for not going back in. I'm angry that the pinks are going to lose us Iraq because they really hate the president.

And after seeing courageous Americans putting their country before themselves once again, I have no patience for law breakers demanding their "rights".

Closed on May Day? Stay closed.

I saw it Friday afternoon in Little Rock before heading back to Marina del Rey.

Observations:

It is obvious to me that many in America still don't realize we are at war (one I believe will be fought for a generation or more). I invited a friend (female from a very conservative family) and my brother and his wife (both against the war). I was totally prepared for the movie and its brutality. My three guests were not. My female friend left at the end of the movie crying, and my brother who does not get chocked up much was numb – his wife almost in shock.

I did not say a word until we got to the car. All I said is “this is what I’ve been talking about for the past several years and why I have been so passionate about the war”.

The only one to respond was my brother’s wife who said, “I had no idea those people were so mean”.

The other comment which totally blew me away was a comment from a middle aged women who bumped into a friend coming out another movie (one I never heard of). The conversation went like this:

“So how was your movie?”
“It was pretty good.”
“Which movie did you see?”
“United 93.”
“Was it any good?”
“It could have been better.”

Could have been better? I wanted to pop her along side the head but I just shook my head in amazement.

Like I said there are people who do not realize we are at war, grasp the reality of it or realize who we are facing. Very sad but true.

The only one to respond was my brother’s wife who said, “I had no idea those people were so mean”.

Glad you took her to this movie. WTF? Flying planes into buildings full of civilians not "mean" enough? Geeze. Again- good job getting it through!

W-Lover,

You know something; I really have to blame this on the media. Yes planes hit the buildings but if you think about it the media sheltered many from the personal tragedy on 9/11 and throughout the war.

Most saw buildings falling into rubble, etc., but not the poor souls jumping out of windows. The media should have shown that. (Again, and again and again if necessary)

The media should also show the brutally of terrorist's bombs killing our soldiers, Iraqi school kids and the hate messages these individual POS spew. Unfiltered and not politically correct. Show evil for what evil is and stop trying to dress it down for “American” consumption.

188 alilianstrom

While reading the thread (bottom-up), I would suggest that you see it FIRST ...

then head to the range.

/just tryin' to help

I really have to blame this on the media.

Not all the blame should be on the media. Far too many Americans just don't take the time to be informed- by the msm or otherwise. I'm hoping this movie is showing hoLLLywood & the rest of the msm that most Americans want to remember 9/11.

Just bought my ticket online.

#57

You nailed it. I had to clench my fists several times and do some deep breathing; I hadn't felt that anger since THAT DAY. It was frightening to realise how angry I was, and how angry I had been. As far as I know I didn't say anything out loud too loud, but you'll have to ask the others.

Loved the ending. Loved how many people played themselves (because some of their roles didn't reflect too well on their performances although who could have known? It was heart-rending to look back on the naivete which turned to shock and horror).

One thing I would have changed: I would have appended these words to the final dedication: "except nineteen".

Family Member Review

Read it.

#202 gbl

The only one to respond was my brother’s wife who said, “I had no idea those people were so mean”.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Holy Crap.

Next time you meet up, please ask them politely what planet they've been staying on these five long years.

Did she say "no idea?" Did she mean it?

News Flash: Mass-murdering terrorists are mean.

Holy Crap Again.

#107

I am glad no one in our theatre felt compelled to spout shit like that because I'd probably just now be getting out on bail.

{Incanus}!

Thanks for pointing out #57. I'll add that I haven't stopped thinking of this film since last night.

#117

For everyone who has seen it and realises how important it is to NEVER FORGET, please do go see it again and bring a friend.

why I won't be seeing United 93: [Link: www.doctor-horsefeathers.com...]

why I won't be seeing United 93: [Link: www.doctor-ho...]

#214 samjohnson
Regardless of the perceived philosophical bent of the director, whatever he thinks about Islam changes the honesty and impact of the film not one bit. If you refuse to see the movie because you disagree with the director's take on things, you will be doing yourself a disservice.

If he was a typical LLL director, he wouldn't have made the film he did, and he wouldn't be getting savaged by the insane libs who think our country is safer if we appease a faction that interprets appeasement as weakness, and only emboldens them to attack with greater vigor.

#146

I know that you (in hind site), with the proper knowledge would have possible countered this asshole but I guess that's where many of us differ.

It wasn't a matterof having the proper knowledge. As I mentioned I felt it was a somber moment not deserving of confrontation. The moonbat only made that brief statement of absurdity... had he carried on I assure you I would have tried to counter his inappropriateness and errors.

Besides, the movie had just ended and everyone in the theater was still reeling... me included. I doubt I could have been clear headed about it, (obviously the moonbat wasn't ;) ).

#216 Eric Anondson

I understand. My patience for idiocy has become almost zero and has steadily decrease since the Fall of 2001.

OT: Thank god someone is going to actually attempt to make another critical movie. LGF (not this LGF) has decided to green light the Atlas Shrugged movie with Angelina Jolie and Bradd Pitt trying to get the main parts.

Regardless of the perceived philosophical bent of the director..

Rush Limbaugh interviewed the director, Paul Greengrass, for his newsletter and he played several segments of the raw interview on his show Thursday and Friday. Mr. Greengrass is an admitted lib but he agreed with Rush that these people have to be stopped in their tracks or they'll keep killing.

And to formercorpsman, I don't agree 100% with Penn & Teller but they took the conspiracy nuts down a few notches. They did the same thing to PETA.

Something that stuck out for me was the Euroweenie on the plane. He seemed to be a perfect example of the idiots in this country who can't bring them selves to realize that the terrorists are playing for keeps and can not be reasoned with. I give credit to the director for adding that, it did not have to be in the movie, but must have been put there for a reason.

howcome

It was the actor himself who came up with that. Greengrass said so in an interview with Michael Medved.

Jack of Shadows

Hats off to him.

#155 Mardukhai

I was at Cafe Moment and the Frank Sinatra Cafeteria of Hebrew U in 2001. Close enough to see and hear everything, far enough away to remain intact physically, if not mentally untouched.

My main reaction was to volunteer for Magen David Adom and do their course for student volunteers. At 27, I was easily the oldest in the course. As a MADA volunteer, I never worked an attack site.

From August '96 to August '01, I was in graduate school and took United 83 on a regular basis. My girlfriend had United 93 as her usual flight home for vacation, so she talked to the crews all the time. I don't know what she thinks about it, but she won't see the movie.

A quote from another board: "Anyone telling you to 'snap out of it' is essentially ordering you to perform brain surgery on yourself by telekinesis."

I am sorry about your father's reaction, since he must have lived through '48 as a younger man, perhaps nothing you went through could compare. I personally am amazed at those who withstand the current Intifada AFTER the bombs of the 60s, 70s, and 80s and think of Israeli '68ers as being as steadfast as those of '48.

My first post at LGF yay! Been visiting for a year, finally got registered!

Anywho, yup, went and watched the movie. I haven't been to the theaters in at least 3 years. Hard to believe since I'm even a college student. They just don't have anything worth watching. But this, I had to see.

From what I gathered, the people watching the movie didn't need a reminder of why we are at war or who the real enemy is.

The white hot hate burns inside me since 9/11.

It burns hot and it burns strong in a lot of us.

I used the movie as a personal reminder, or rather, as personal justification for being heartless and cold for wanting to wipe these people off the face of the earth. These people, their families and children, all their possessions, and their entire religion, I wish complete annihilation in very cruel and punishing ways.

I’m young, white, and chipped up.

How’s that for a first post.

Hello LGF’ers!

#149 Spiritof1683 . . .

You're obviously on the other side of the world, and probably won't see this post, but I want others to read your words. An excerpt...

Its time we dropped the social worker attitudes towards Muslims and behaved more like the strict headmaster of old (say the 1950s or earlier), where pupils who did wrong were caned across their backsides, and began to assoiciate wrongdoing with a sore backside.

Your entire post expresses so well what I've been thinking for many years. The West has simply got to stop condescending to Muslims and instead treat them like adults. They must be punished for their rotten deeds, not treated like some kind of misbegotten social work case.

The Western world would be much better off if it reinstated the death penalty (with appropriate protections for the possibly unjustly accused, of course), and visibly punished, i.e. hung terrorists and terrorist enablers. Furthermore, countries like Iran should be punished for their evil deeds. I think we should give them one more chance and if they still support terrorism, we should invade them and take their oil.

Why not? This would solve several problems at once. Sometimes "colonialism" is the only answer. I can think of several countries that would benefit from a colonialist approach, i.e. a big whack in the behind.

My favorite American flag is the one that says: "Don't tread on me." Maybe your country has a similar flag that should be resurrected. I'm assuming that you're not an American since you posted in the middle of the North American night.

Bring a barf bag and do not sit close to the screen.

And if the underage counter clerk won't give you a barf bucket for your son, who on returning from the restroom states he just puked but now feels fine, jump the counter and grab an empty popcorn bucket.

If management gives you any crap, stand your ground. It is their responsibility to have policies in place to deal with emergencies.

Extreme circumstances demand extreme measures.

If you can't stand up to stupid behavior for the benefit of your child, you will never be able to stand up to Islam.

Because of the fact that I'll be flying tomorrow, into of all places Boston, it literally is 'too soon' for me... but only by a week. Intellectually, I know that Logan has got to be the safest airport in the country, because there are people working there that are mad as hell that two groups of terrorists got through on their watch. So it's purely an emotional thing.
Provided that nothing horrible happens between the May Day Communist Illegal Immigrant Reconquista de Aztlan Mexican-American Pride protests, and Cinco de Mayo, when I'm to fly back home, and Dinner Jacket's network of sleeper cells don't blow up any of the Mass Pike tunnels while I'm in them... Next weekend, when I'm back from Beantown, and safely on the ground in Cowtown again, I can think about going to see the film, and helping out with that second-week box-office that tells the beancounters that a film has 'legs'.

Cleanup in aisle 223.

Thought Police aisle 227.

"Relax chief...he's just a college kid. He can't harm you."

Stay away from the message board. I peeked at it...Nothing but looney conspiracy folks on there.

151

I despise college kids.

Hey! Well, I guess I don't qualify as a kid.

155 Mardukhai

I hope this isn't out of line, but what happened?

174 Goddess

Thank your son for us. Medics and military doctors are the heroes to our heroes.

And don't worry too much. I think all the .mil here will agree that a "Doc" gets his back, front, and all sides covered.

#163-Tigger2005:
I am an expat American, married to my Lao-Thai wife, raising our 13 and 11-year old sons as proud Americans AND Thais...

My wife doesn't speak English, but the boys and I do, and we all speak Thai, because she can't speak Korean with me and I can't speak Issan (close to Laotian) with her; so I pay my dues, respect-wise, in Thai.

Yes, we consult regularly and frequently on the Islamo-fascist problem, in no small part because we're dedicated to the Glory of God, as Baha'is.

Thanks for the howja-do, Tigger!

Will buy a ticket, but won't watch.
For me, the WoI is an act of will, initially fueled by emotion, but that's no longer needed.

Hi, All!

I saw United 93 Friday night.

It was intense, and while everyone knew the ultimate outcome, Greengrass did a splendid job of conveying the first-person perspective, how limited each of the various parties' knowledge of what was happening that morning really was.

As if this movie needed any more verisimilitude, stick around for the closing credits, when you will see how many of the actors are billed "as Himself" or "as Herself."

If anything was noticeably lacking realism-wise, it would be that more profanities were probably cried that morning than any decent film would portray!

If anybody reading hasn't seen it yet, I urge you to do so.

Yes, it will be uncomfortable. You will not enjoy it. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't see it.

It's awful and beautiful and terrifying and magnificent all in one. I've written and posted a (somewhat lengthy) review here.

Looks like United 93 is doing very well at the box office. It's playing on far fewer screens (almost 1,000 less than the #1 movie), and only lags by $5 million, and the weekend isn't over yet.

This Wk Title Weekend Gross Cumulative Gross Rlse Wks # of Theaters
1 RV $16,400,000 $16,400,000 1 3,639
2 United 93 $11,605,000 $11,605,000 1 1,795
3 Stick It $11,255,000 $11,255,000 1 2,038
4 Silent Hill $9,300,000 $34,231,000 2 2,932
5 Scary Movie 4 $7,808,000 $78,171,000 3 3,418

[Link: movies.yahoo.com...]

Correction: United 93 is playing at 2,000 fewer screens than the #1 movie, and lags by only $5 million.
 

#219 howcome

"Something that stuck out for me was the Euroweenie on the plane. He seemed to be a perfect example of the idiots in this country who can't bring them selves to realize that the terrorists are playing for keeps and can not be reasoned with. I give credit to the director for adding that, it did not have to be in the movie, but must have been put there for a reason."

(not sure why the features are not working on my computer, so no block quoting)

I saw the European's lines as less about appeasement as we see it today, and more like a contract bewteen 9/10 and 9/11, how the tactics for dealing with terrorism (specifically, hijackings) changes that morning and how Americans adapted that day to a rapidly changing environment. Nice artistic touch having the European make that suggestion for the sake of counterpoint, though!

Greetings, AMER1CAN!

(Just working my way down the thread)

Okay, first in my #239 I meant contrast, not contract . . . and second, I hope AMER1CAN is not really that big an asshat.

Went to see UNITED 93 last night.

DAMN GOOD. There's no way we can lose sight of what the Achmed DinnerJihad's of the world are constantly planning for us, if we make sure that movie is seen by a significant percentage of the population of the free world on a regular basis.

Many weaknesses in the existing 'system' were revealed, such as the FAA controllers being swamped with an unknown amount of hijacked planes on their scopes, and NORAD looked to be no more effective than a team of girl scouts suddenly being faced with a grizzly bear attack. It was incredible to learn that it took an hour to get two unarmed F16's in the air, and they were speculating ordering the fighter pilots to ram the airliners and eject just before impact. Wow. What a well thought out plan. (I'd like to think that that they've made some drastic improvements since then, to keep the revealed weaknesses from being exploited by Russia, China etc. in the future.)

I had a friend working as an air traffic controller on the west coast that morning, and he kept me up on the latest happenings via short telephone calls. At one time (around 10am?) he called and told me that the FAA thought there were SEVEN hijacked planes in the air, because of three others who hadn't instantly responded to queries. The controllers were going half-mad with the frantic diversion of all the planes in the sky.

I also appreciated the "Euroweenie" with the Scandinavian accent. That was a nice and very necessary touch, in order to illustrate how the poisoned mind-set of a genuine true liberal asshole tends to amplify and sabotage a dire emergency in the real world. He was their own frantic John Kerry, exhibiting the typical side-effects of a psychiatric drug. The Euroweenie had the same suicidal goal for the group as did the hijackers, so that segment of the movie closely parallels the larger picture of what the Kerry and Kennedy liberals and the traitorous Mainstream Media are trying to do to America in today's overall national and world politics. He was a perfect example of the cowardly unpatriotic and psychotic mindset that's driving "The war was a mistake", "Don't attack them", "We'll have too many casualties", "Let me go reason with them", and so on. The token liberal made a valuable -- if short -- contribution.

BTW, it's mis-information to assume that a cellphone won't operate when it's higher than a given altitude. Altitude doesn't matter. For all practical purposes, a cellphone is just a complicated walkie-talkie. Thus a cellphone will get reception whenever it's within line-of-sight of a repeater tower, and an airplane is generally within line-of-sight of several repeater towers on the ground at any given time.

Speculation: What if Boston's ground-traffic had been less congested that morning, and United 93 had taken off on time instead of being on the ground for almost an hour waiting to take off? Much of the incentive of the passengers who attacked the hijackers was due to the fact that they'd been told via their personal phone calls, about the damage that the other hijacked planes had already caused on the ground. Before that they were just being docile and expecting the plane to land at some airport. So, if Flight 93 was targeting the White House (in the movie, the terrorist pilot taped a photo of the White House to the controls) or the US Capitol building, or Foggy Bottom, or a dozen other important buildings, there would have been FOUR planes that struck buildings without prior warning, instead of just three. Judging from the incompetence of NORAD, they could have just cruised around sightseeing for awhile, looking for the best target. No big hurry.

As it was, NYC was lucky that the first plane to hit the WTC didn't dive down and hit close to ground level, because that might have instantly dropped both towers and killed tens of thousands more.

Anyone know exactly who was in the White House or the Capital building, at 9am on 11 Sept 2001? Wasn't the Vice President in the White House? Who would we have lost?

Ooops, typo-alert: In my above message please replace "Boston's ground traffic" with "Newark's ground traffic"

Darn spell-checker doesn't know the difference...

As a stirring counterpoint to the concept of UNITED 93, here's an excellent glimpse of our troops overseas. Well worth sharing:

[Link: objflicks.com...]

After the fighters (unarmed) were scrambled, they initially flew east, over the Atlantic.

According to the movie, the target was the Capitol.

The movie seemed more flattering to the FAA than the military, perhaps justifiably. Everyone was caught by surprise and the frustration and confusion was true to life. The violent scenes were confusing to watch, which is also realistic.

I saw the movie Friday.
After the first scenes that showed the terrorists preparing for their day, I watched the rest of the movie in tears.
It was very well done.

I just saw the movie today.

Wow...intense doesn't even quite sum up the feelings I had.

After the movie ended, I shouted to a totally silent group of moviegoers "They aren't done yet people!" which I'm sure caught a few people by surprise.

My husband who is from Germany...and who is no wimp by any means... but at times seems to revert back to his Euroweenie roots...now suddenly understands what I'm talking about EVERY DAY!

After seeing this, he's more than willing and ready to kick some Muslim ass if anything goes down in this country!

review here

too long for posting at LGF

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

I LOVE LOVE LOVE college kids. Just don't like the lefty ones I encounter. That #151 was probably too sweeping.

Saw it last night.

It was very well done, imho. It seemed very realistic, and the acting was superb. (esp the men who played the 4 terrorists).

iirc, there wasnt one PC, LLL, moonbat commentary anywhere in the movie. Except the European guy who was obviously portrayed as a naive fool.

Reading previous posts, I find it hard to believe the director is a leftist.