YAY!

Welcome to the USA!
We need more people like you!

Woo hoo!

You are so lucky to have her! I hope she thrives in the land of the free-I sense more good things for her...

Good on your politicians for making this happen!

MAZEL TOV AYAAN!

Not YAY, as far as I'm concerned. Which is to say... in a sense it's our gain and Europe's loss, that this brave lady will be coming here. But it's a net loss for civilization that she has to come here.

More confirmation here.

Great news. Welcome Ms. Ali.

On the other hand, no more Danish ham. Of course in a few years there won't be any Danish ham.

/haraam

Still, note to Europe: Keep sending us your Albert Einsteins, Enrico Fermis and Ayaan Hirsi Alis, and we'll keep taking 'em. Works for us...

I'm glad she's going to a country where she'll be appreciated.

Of course, if Slick Willy Clinton was still President, she'd probably have to jump through a few more hoops to get there.

#5 Occasional Reader - Absolutely spot on post!

'Morning, all. I was scanning through the Saturday and Sunday threads last night. After that I was too depressed to post anything.

You'd feel right at home in Texas. They have signs along the highway that say "Don't Mess With Texas". Listen to some Ron WHite (comedy) and then try to tell me Texas isn't where you want to go. You'll be a natural.
Also, you would be in range of many LGF meet-ups, ahem, ahem! We'd love to see you, and I tend to think that security is free-wheeling but "provided for" at those things.

Her departure puts the dutch one step closer over the edge. Thats if they arent already there. She is the canary in the coal mine.

I welcome her with open arms.

Someday, as they groan under the boot of Shari'a, second-class citizens in their own country, the Dutch will curse the day they drove Ayaan Hirsi Ali away.

8 Occasional Reader 5/15/2006 08:10AM PDT

In turn we can send them our Johnny Depps

she will start working at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative thinktank in Washington

Note to Ms. Hirsi Ali: If you are in need of a humble lizardoid to show you the town, I'm available!

What about her body guards? Can AEI afford the security?

She can check her hijab at the door and forget about it!

Give us your tired...

Welcome!

#8 Occasional Reader
Brillant post!

God, at least they let her in. Welcome!

The european brain-drain continues. Fine with me.

#5 Occasional Reader
Look. I see your point. I saw it from miles away, and didn't think it needed to be said. Cripes.
I also hope her plane doesn't crash. Just thought I'd add that to make sure you understand.

Short version: YAY!

Home of the Brave

#8 O.R

Perfectly stated.

OT: We Call It Islamic Terror Because It's Terror Inspired By Islam.
Can you believe this-in Al-Guardian?

Good morning, Charles and others.

It looks like the "Islamopbobia" conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, wasn't such a big success. Maybe the infidel Danes are a little bit fed up with Islam following the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons case, no?

Islam conference fizzles

After being the focus of Muslim anger earlier this year, Copenhagen was again the centre of Muslim attention this weekend. This time, however, the mesage was one of improved understanding between Muslims and non-Muslims. British television station The Islam Channel hoped to capitalise on the infamy brought upon the city after the publication of the Mohammed cartoons by holding the international conference 'Islamophobia: a dilemma in the West' as a way to create a dialogue and debunk myths. 'Fear of and prejudices about Islam have always been there, but we need to have the courage to talk about things,' said Mohamed Ali, president of the Islam Channel. Despite being billed as an international conference, and the largest of its kind since the row over the Mohammed cartoons exploded this winter, the majority of those participating were Muslim. Organisers had invited a broad spectrum of Danish politicians, members of the press and other public figures, but only a handful of ethnic Danes were to be found amongst the 900 people in attendance. 'We had hoped to see more Danes take part in the debate. We invited the prime minister to open the conference and all Danish ministers to participate. We invited political parties, even the Danish People's Party, the mayor of Copenhagen - and the Queen,' Ali said.

Foreign conference participants said they were shocked to see the conditions Muslims in Denmark were forced to accept. 'I thought Denmark was a free and open country, but that's not so,' said Yvonne Ridley, a British woman who converted to Islam after being held hostage by the Taleban. Ridley, now the political editor for the Islam Channel, said Denmark's Muslims were made to feel like outsiders. 'Just the fact that Denmark doesn't have a single mosque built as a mosque - it doesn't even have a Muslim cemetary.' Ridley added that she and other Muslims were tired of being held responsible for terrorist acts committed in their religion's name. 'I don't demonise all Danes because of the Mohammed cartoons. And you shouldn't demonise all Muslims on account of al-Qaeda.'

Meanwhile, infidelophobia is alive and kickng:

Jihad on the Playground in Denmark

Chased by up to 50 angry school mates, armed with sticks and iron rods, a pupil in one of the first grades at the Hans Christian Andersen School in Odense, had to flee through the schoolyard. The reason for the anger was that the boy had used strong language against Islam. Shortly after the boy had to escape with a large number of angry school mates after him. Some of the pursuers had, according to the schools letter, picked up sticks and iron rods. The school chief considers the episode as an example of that even very young children wants to test limits, and that he is satisfied with the school’s resolute reaction. The school have stated to the involved parties that it will no longer accept such statements or the ensuing reaction.

#20 Black George Bush - Wait a minute, let's not get carried away here - look at OR's #17!
LOL!
NOW it's naptime.

#8 Occasional Reader

On the other hand, your #8 is, as they say, SPOT ON!

This will be good for Ayaan Hirsi Ali and good for the U.S.

First and foremost, the Islamo-Nazis will not dare harm her in this country.

Second, she will be much freer here to expose the threat posed by Islam. She will join colleagues such as Robert Spencer, Charles Johnson, and Andrew Bostom.

A suggestion: can we find someone to sponsor an online chat with her... preferably with registered LGF users only.

But the left tells me that we don't have freedom here in the USA! Since Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a right-wing politician this is proof of a conspiracy!

What's that you say ... she's not a right-wing politician? Hmm, now I am really confused. Why would she want to come here?

/sarc (did i really need to ...)

#24 Poitiers-Lepanto - Some of us like to think of it as the "Land of the Free, because of the Brave".
just sayin'

I imagine the shitbird left is already calling her an illegal alien and asking why she gets to jump the queue instead of some lamented hardworking "undocumented" migrant worker.

I just hope she avoids PMSNBC, CNNBS, CBS, NBS, ABS, the NY Times, WaPo et al., as she may want to leave the country quickly.

It was a depressing bit of news, but Occasional Reader (#8) was spot on -- Europe sends the best to the US. Who's next? Orianna Fallaci?

Here´s another interview (from Sweden) that wasn´t featured at LGF. It´s a good one. And she looks good, too... (It´s the video where she wears a red jacket).

Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Interviewed On Swedish Television

(The one from Denmark is also there, but it has been featured earlier)

9 Carl in Jerusalem

Of course, if Slick Willy Clinton was still President, she'd probably have to jump through a few more hoops to get there.

Worse, Janet Reno would probably send the FBI to arrest her and send her back to Somalia.

Good! Europe, please keep sending us your cannaries. No need for them to die there giving you warning after warning you are running out of oxygen. I just hope we listen to them.

#31 Realwest

"Land of the Free, because of the Brave"

Yes Sir !

Slightky OT, but the Netherlands will soon face an even bigger challenge than Islam.
Prediction: within a year, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela will threaten to invade Aruba and Curacao. He will of course have the moral support of his compadres in Iran and Syria.
Will the Dutch have the spine to defend their overseas posessions?

Their loss is our gain.

#33 Golem Akbar

IIRC, Orianna is already in NYC.

8 Don't forget Lise Meitner and Neils Bohr, and all of their other friends.

#33 Golem Akbar
She already lives here, I believe.

This truly is their loss.
I hate it for them.

I wonder if yale will invite her to be a guest speaker, maybe when a certain Taliban spokesman is scheduled to graduate?

We can always use more good people here but it's a sad commentary on the state of Western Europe that an enlightened black woman can't feel safe in The Netherlands, home of The Enlightenment and supposedly the most tolerant country on earth.

I jest cain't understaind why this illegal alien gets to jump the queue instead of some hardworking undocumented migrant worker. (What's her phone number?)

Sincerely,

Bubba

33 Golem Akbar

Oriana is already here.

As far as being a country, I think Holland's washed up. It's already practically living under Shari'a. I think it's just a matter of time before it goes completely Islamic. I think we'll just have to accept the fact that a lot of European countries are going to vanish in the next few decades, swallowed by the Ummah.

I'm glad Ali is coming here. Yes, the left will attack her, but we just have to be ready for that, and stand up for her.

Unlike the Dutch.

Here is the report at NRC Handelsblad:

[Link: www.nrc.nl...]

Interestingly, that article (in Dutch) claims that AHA herself confessed to (whitish) lies on her asylum application after somebody else was expelled for same. (Something elong the lines of "if you kick her out for this, you gotta kick me out as well".)

#26 fjordman

Thank you for that update. Hearing that a conference on "Islamophobia" fizzled really makes my day.

This is so pathetic:

Yvonne Ridley, a British woman who converted to Islam after being held hostage by the Taleban.

Yes-I'm sure we are all going to take her opinion VERY SERIOUSLY. I'm trying hard to think of people whose opinions I would take LESS seriously-it's pretty funny. I might take Mamma Moonbat slightly more serious...nah!

#33 Golem Akbar

Who's next? Orianna Fallaci?

They already did. She's living in New York.

I think the next one will be Paul Belien.

According to Father Leman I have incited racial hatred, with the result that extremist or unbalanced people, such as Hans Van Themsche, have decided to take the law into their own hands and shoot immigrants. Father Leman blames the Belgian authorities and the CEOOR for not punishing me. In the reverend father’s own logic, if his hate speech against me should lead to extremist and unbalanced people threatening or hurting (“punishing”) me in any way he is the culprit.

And check this out

BIBLES have been banished from Victorian hospital bedsides and some schools because they may offend non-Christians.

Hospitals including the Royal Melbourne, Royal Children's, Austin, The Alfred, Monash Medical Centre, Box Hill, Maroondah, Dandenong and Casey have all removed Bibles. Royal Melbourne spokesman Rod Jackson-Smith denied a ban, but said: "We don't (have Bibles in each room) any more.

"Because we have so many people from different religious backgrounds it is considered inappropriate.

"It is also an infection control measure."

#47 ibrodsky

Glad to hear Oriana's here. Hope she stays, and doesn't try going back to Italy, for a visit.

#36 jehu

Europe, please keep sending us your cannaries.

Absolutely...please keep sending prophets to America where they will be safe.

Lucky for her and us, but what a ominous omen for decadent Europe.

This is a great day for the Islamic Ummah!

For every brave soul we import to this country, I wish we could export stupidity. Where they go, I don't really care, as long as they go.

Yet, with so much stupidity, where does one start off?

Suggestions, anyone?

"Islamophobia" is a misnomer: a "phobia" is an irrational fear. Fear of the Religion of Mass Murder is perfectly rational.

Europe and the Muslim states do have a problem called Judeophobia, though.

AI 54

Yeah, but we have the first amendment, garlic, and holy water...can't happen here!

/you know the crowd

#51 grayp

BIBLES have been banished from Victorian hospital bedsides and some schools because they may offend non-Christians

to borrow a nic...
and then blammo!

#23 haakondahl:

I see your point. I saw it from miles away, and didn't think it needed to be said. Cripes.

My post was not directed at you personally. (Geez, LGF has become an awfully prickly place lately.)

#15 Tigger 2005 - They (Dutch) will not curse the day they drove Ayaan Hirsi Ali away. Instead, knowing the Left's inability to take responsibility for anything, they will BLAME both her and the US for inflaming Muslim passions and placing the Dutch in such a position. They will then demand the US rescue them from such oppression since we will have caused their ills to begin with.

#9 Carl in Jerusalem

Now just a Gol-danged minute. When I was President, we never made anybody jump through hoops. Crouch under a desk, maybe, but uh... well... garsh, I think I'm about to take me a shower!

{One of you lucky lizard ladies could have a little Clin-Tonite!}

#52 TalkinKamel

Oriana is on trial in Italy and I believe legal action has been taken against her in other Eurabian countries such as France, where they are trying to confiscate royalties from her book sales.

#61 Occasional Reader
You are right, I am being a little prickly. Sorry about that. Let's go have a beer.

#32 JammieWearingFool

It's already started. See Clintonista, #46.

#39 miguelj

At this point, I don't think Holland can stand up to anything. As a nation it's finished. It has no more challenges. It has no more anything. It's gone.

This reminds of one of my favorite quotes by Robert Heinlein: "Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded--here and there, now and then--are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as ‘bad luck.’"

haakandohl 66

You are right, I am being a little prickly. Sorry about that. Let's go have a beer.

Umm...did you bring enough for the whole class?

Holland was the first to fall (at least on the western front) with hitler too.

#63 clintonite

Are you the reason Reaganite doesn't spend much time here anymore?

Any relation to Kryptonite?

#55 haakondahl

Let's go have a beer.

The sun is over the yardarm somewhere...

#8 Occasional Reader

On the other hand, your #8 is, as they say, SPOT ON!

Are you kidding? Post #8 was pure dreck.

"Johnny Cakes" Reader is a real jerk.

/snarkasm

#26 Fjordman

Yesterday you suggested there will be a big war in Europe within perhaps 2 years. At least, I think you said in Europe.

I'd like hear more about how you think that might unfold.

#58 ibrodsky
You are so right (uh, because I have been writing the same thing in a little green notebook).

I compare Arachnophobia (quite legit), Homophobia (aw, borderline), Islamophobia (NOT irrational, NOT uncontrollable, NOT overpowering), Cubism, Post-Modernism, and Anti-Semitism (clearly something to be dabbled in by learned people).

On behalf of people who find it entirely rational to be scared shitless about imminent beheading, I would like to swap at least two of those terms.

#71 ibrodsky

I got a pocket full of something, but it ain't from Planet Krypton! (What's your phone number?)

#46 Clintonista

I'm with you, my friend! Why should this dreadful, dark-skinned, rather primitive woman be allowed to come here? After all, it's not like she's going to be performing a useful job, such as cleaning my pool, walking my dog, taking care of my beloved child, Muffy Fitzworthington IV and living 24 hours a day in my house, so she can take care of me!

Don't get me wrong! I LOVE dark-skinned, rather primitive people! I go to Acapulco all the time, and I just adore the rhythm of life down there! The people are so gentle, and so attuned to the rhythms of the earth! They're not at all like us grabby, unspiritual materialists here in the US, who refuse to do jobs unless you actually pay them, for G-d's sake, and expect a living wage at that! You can't just give them a buck a day, and, maybe, a few of your designer cast-offs from time to time! Oh, no, they expect an actual SALARY! And sometimes, even, benefits!

We have become terribly uncaring, and materialistic. That's why we really need more illegal, undocumented Mexican workers here---NOT people like this trouble-making, unpleasant Hirsan Ali, who doesn't like Moslems! I adore Moslems! I know several rich oil sheiks, and they're all wonderful people, and very generous, too! And they throw wonderful parties!

So, I agree with you, Bubba! More illegal immigrants! Less immigrants like this horrid Ali! (I'll bet she wouldn't clean my pool, even if I gave her my slightly used Coach handbag!)

Yours sincerely,

Muffy Fitzworthington III, Limousine Liberal extraordinaire.

/Heh, heh, heh, sez Fritzie the Talking Kamel.

After all that she has done for Holland, this is absolutely disgusting.

Their loss. . .our gain.

I will add (its wishful thinking, I know) that just maybe she planned this move before leaving Holland. Her ("tolerant") neighbors had her kicked out of her home, and there has been an organized campaign to tar her.

54 American Infidel 5/15/2006 08:24AM PDT

Sorry, AI but you are getting this wrong!
The whole riot at this moment about AHA's lying to get dutch citizenship is for a large part an attack on the "Integration Minister" Rita Verdonck as much as it is an attack on AHA.
Verdonck is very much on AHA's side and ALMOST as hated as AHA ( by the LLL and dhimmy's).
Verdonck is daily compared to hitler and actually she has been spat on.
Lot's of dutch people are afraid Verdonck will end as Theo van Gogh and Pim Fortuyn.
Verdonck is hated because she actually tries to uphold the immigration laws and because with her integration means "try and become a law abiding dutch citizen" .

#73 Dirk:

I can't help but notice your obsession with "Johnny Cakes". Is there something you'd like to tell us? It's okay, Dirk we're your friends.

#58 ibrodsky
#75 haakondahl

I agree completely, and I've also posted about the subject. "Islamophobia" should ALWAYS AlWAYS be in scare quotes. It's an artificial construct of the leftist thought police. They want us to believe it's a real thing, a real concept.

But-it's all bullshit, and we aren't scared of Islam anyway-suspicious, yes-distrustful-yes-even disdainful...but not SCARED.

I have the same feelings about "honour killings". They should either be in scare quotes or called Islamic Familial Murders.

#58 ibrodsky:

a "phobia" is an irrational fear

Of course, etymologically speaking, the Greek word phobos simply means fear, not irrational fear. We took a linguistic wrong turn on this a long time ago.

#70 Poitiers-Lepanto-Mt. Gisors

Holland was the first to fall; myself, I'm not sure it's ever gotten up.

And now, apparently, they're unable, and unwilling, to protect Hirsi Ali---just like they couldn't protect Ann Frank.

My own votes for people we should send to live someplace else are Noam Chomsky, Cindy Sheehan just about all Hollywood actors and producers.

The European appeasers are painting Ali's whole move to America as an asylum issue - many in the Euro-press are saying things like "asylum row forces minister out of the Netherlands"

#77 TalkinKamel

Hilarious..as usual.

Didn't Barbara Streisand "fire" her illegal Mexican gardeners because they wanted a $1 per hour raise?

No doubt a great gain for the US, but a perfect example of how far Europe has fallen. Hirsi Ali moved to Holland and became a great success, but cannot live there without constant fear for her life.

#33 Golem Akbar

t was a depressing bit of news, but Occasional Reader (#8) was spot on -- Europe sends the best to the US. Who's next? Orianna Fallaci?

Hasn't she been living in NYC for years, virually unable to return to Italy because of law suits concerning her writing? Or was your post sarcasm?

Very wise of Ms. Ali to shake the dust of a doomed Europe off her heels and head to one of the last bulwarks of Western civilization which is willing to defend itself.

AFAIC, it's a great honor to have Ms. Ali here. And I hope she becomes an American citizen, because we need as many like her as we can get.

Welcome, Ayaan!

#81 Writer Mom

I read a book, _The Gift of Fear_ by Gavin deBecker. The premise is great: Fear is your friend--it tells you when you are in danger.

The instincts which make you distrust somebody who has done you no wrong are what keep you alive. Honed over literally millions of years, those instincts are as close to Divine Revelation as most of us are going to get. Learn to listen to your fear, or die.

I struggle to reconcile this with the Litany of Fear, which is pretty cool but contradictory.

You won’t believe the venom that readers of conservative Dutch news magazines are spouting, triggered by the announcement of AHA leaving.
The disdain, the disgust, and the hatred towards her is simply immense.
Though not fully comparable, I’m now starting to understand how it was possible that so many Dutch Jews were betrayed during WW2.

The Dutch are a sick people.

U.S. readers: Please feel free to invoke the "The Hague Invasion Law" anytime now. I'll be the one standing on the beach with a tulip in my hand.

And let us pause once more to reflect on the irony that one of the most outspoken advocates of Western values of our time is an African woman from one of the most comprehensively wrecked countries in the world, who was raised a Muslim.

Not even an oppressive culture can entirely destroy that which is human. We are all free, in here [tapping forehead], if we want to be. Ayaan Hirsi Ali proves that.

#85 WriterMom

Didn't Barbara Streisand "fire" her illegal Mexican gardeners because they wanted a $1 per hour raise?

Well, you can't just double peoples' wages overnight! When I was President, we knew that. They would just drink it anyway. (Say, you're kind of cute! What's your number?)

#85 WriterMom

Oh yes, I'd heard about that! I mean, what gives with these people? When you see them in Acapulco, they're so sweet, and they sell you flowers and bring you drinks and everything, but when they come to the United States, they suddenly get all materialistic and money-grubbing, just like us selfish, greedy Americans, and they demand money from you, and they even want days off, and a pension, for G-d's sake?

I think Bubbles Streisand did absolutely the right thing! If we pay these people too much, they'll just get all greedy and materialistic, like us Americans! We should respect their closeness to the earth, and their deep, non-materialistic spirituality!
That's what Chakra St. Claire, the girl who reads crystals for me says!

/Channeling Muffy Fitzworthington III again---heee, heee, thanks for the kind words, WriterMom, hope all is well with you?

#88 haakondahl

I think I saw that author on Oprah some years ago-talking about trusting your gut, and he interviewed victims of many crimes who all had that moment of instinct about a dangerous situation, but then they doubted their fear and something terrible happened. It must be the same book.

#89 Kim Hartveld

Get out while you can!

Looks like a past "shrieker," may have been right about Europe. No reason to think current "shriekers," may be right about our path here in the U.S. We have a Constitution.

In fact I should bet a bunch printed up and post them all about. Sort of like cities declaring themselves "nuclear free zones," back during the Reagan years. I can post copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, to create Islamic Jihad free zones. Yeah...that's it!

I have to relate a story here about what I've observed about the Dutch awareness or lack of interest in this story. There's a Dutch blog I drop by periodically (at least once a week) to see what's happening, especially since a lot of action was centered in Antwerp and elsewhere during the cartoon riots. The blog is Zacht Ei. Many of you know it.

There's not one word on it of Ayaans predicament, hasn't been all along. I noted a thread on free speech and left a comment about Ayaan's free speech being restricted by her neighbours' wish to see her gone. I put it a bit more politely than that but the comments was removed. There was also another thread there about a woman who'd befriended Theo Van Gogh who'd subsequently been attacked by Muslims for having befriended him before his death. The only thing the blog owner had to say was that 'although he had not always agreed with her or seen eye-to-eye, she didn't deserve to be attacked'. I guess not!

I checked this blog to see if there was any word about Ayaan's resignation from Parliament and plans to emigrate to the US. Not one word. So I emailed and said that during WWII, though it may have been 'A Bridge Too Far' for some, I didn't hear the Dutch or the Belgians complaining about being rescued by the allies who dropped in parachutes through a rain of artillery fire, to liberate the Dutch and the Belgians. But they seem to have short memories and the national pursuit of a good life is more important than the spiritual damage they are doing to themselves by turning their backs on Ayaan Hirsi Ali through fear.

I simply can not believe how unconcerned Europe and the Dutch are about what their behaviour says about the way they think.

I don't think they are worth rescuing a second time, mainly because they don't care. They don't see it as a problem that they are being overcome and their culture is about to disappear. Just as long as they get the new house they've had their eye on.

The only danger is that if Europe goes completely, we're next! We need Europe as a buffer zone. Beyond that, I don't care what happens to those self-satisfied soulless peoples.

#91 clintonite

HAHAHAHAH. Yes-it indeed is CHUTZPAH to want to double, or perhaps even triple, one's slave wages. Of all the nerve.

And yes-I am very cute, but the three M's are at play: married, mortgaged and a mommy. So-sorry, dude.

#92 TakingKamel

Yes-all is well. You're killing me...We must talk-I feel this would be a great basis for a book!

Mixed feelings as well.

Good for the USA, but one fears for Europe that this is necessary for her.

And I labored under the delusion that the Dutch "got it" after Theo Van Gough's murder.

TalkinKamel

Chakra St. Claire,
Muffy Fitzworthington III

Have you considered starting a baby naming business in Malibu?

#81 Writer Mom

I agree completely, and I've also posted about the subject. "Islamophobia" should ALWAYS AlWAYS be in scare quotes. It's an artificial construct of the leftist thought police. They want us to believe it's a real thing, a real concept.

Many miniority groups 'learned' from the American Civil Rights Movement, a legitimate movement. But others learned they could use the same tactics used in a legitimate movement to advance illegitimate movements. Thus we have illegal aliens trying to make hay with claims that they are the new civil rights movement.

With all the mileage the Reverend and others have gotten out of charges of racism, the Islamos just couldn't resist coming up with their own attack word, just as other groups have.

#99 a.k.a Will

I agree. And, use of language is really critical. Look how the Palestinians try to usurp the Jewish Holocaust.

I'm just jealous she's not coming to Canada but I can well understand her work and contacts are now mainly in the US where the strongest resistance to Islamization is mounted. Also, her friends in the US like Robert Spencer can help her house-hunt by putting her in touch with people who can help her, estate agents, etc. She will finally have safe harbour and by now she needs some allies. I just wish she'd chosen us but I'm happy she will finally move and be safe. I hope she gets out of Europe without anymore trouble. Bless her. She's given up an awful lot to fight this evil, practically her whole life, family, everything, and now another home and her seat in Parliament.

She belongs here.

As we contemplate our immigration policy, shouldn't we be determined to keep out those who adhere to the totalitarian movement/"religion" whose "extremists" slaughter truth-tellers? I want our country to always be a refuge for the heros of Western Civilization.

#97 arf

Look how many leftist Americans went back to (willfully) not getting it after 9/11. I guess most never got it in the first place anyway.

Leftist and Jihadists are united in silencing all opposition in the Netherlands, one way or another. First Pym Fortuyn, silenced by an “animal rights activist”, then Theo van Gogh, silenced by a member of the Religion of Peace, now Ayaan Hirsi Ali, driven out by threats from collaborators and appeasers.

#89 Kim

You won’t believe the venom that readers of conservative Dutch news magazines are spouting, triggered by the announcement of AHA leaving.
The disdain, the disgust, and the hatred towards her is simply immense.

Kim, would you elaborate please with more detail? Readers of conservative mags are upset? Why? I'm missing something.

Europe is really screwed. They had better start exporting all of their artwork to the US before it gets burned or blown up by the Vichy-Talibani.

The Suburban Crusader

Foreign Devil 95

The only danger is that if Europe goes completely, we're next! We need Europe as a buffer zone. Beyond that, I don't care what happens to those self-satisfied soulless peoples.

They are the buffer zone right now. The war started a long time ago, nobody (with power) wants to admit it. Europe is in this situation because they would not admit they were in a war. Now we get to watch as Europe goes under (maybe they will awake?) But we still have too many that think we are, or will win (by doing the same things we are doing now?).

Or they hate the side that can and would win so much, they make themselves into suicide bombers, they would rather the culture, that sustains even them, die rather than admit their true enemy. They are worse than the Jihadists. The Jihadists is merely insane. Our LLL's are both insane, and cowards.

OT: BBCWorld reporting 85 buses burned in Sao Paulo Brazil. 40 prisons have prisoner rebellions underway now. The whole country has desolved into violence. Over 70 people killed in Brazil since Sunday. Is there any word of this in the MSM?

Just a note: There will be a lot of emigres from this conflict wanting to come over the border.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali had planned on ending her political carreer in Holland by September of 2007. Those plans have been scrapped, understandably, because of recent events in Holland. Ayaan Hirsi Ali understands the degree to which Muslims assert control among liberal parties in the country she fled to. These left-wing parties are under considerable pressure by the imams, who previously convinced the members of their faith to vote for them. Now it's time to pay for that loyalty, and the Dutch left-wing broadcasting company VARA is happy to oblige.
When will the Dutch awaken? First Pim Fortuyn, then Theo van Gogh, and now Ayaan. Has the country completely committed to Dhimmitude?
In my opinion, their loss is our gain.
Following is my rough translation of a blog article by Leon de Winter of Elsevier magazine: [Link: www.elsevier.nl...]
Reading it may give a better understanding of the left's warped reality.

"Ayaan's brother regrets having cooperated with far-left Dutch broadcasting company 'VARA' in the production of a 'story' on their TV show 'Zembia', after they approached him in with the idea of producing a documentary on a celebrity. To me, the story was nothing short of 'journalistic terror'. The makers let us believe that they were revealing shocking new facts: when Ayaan appeared at the Dutch border in 1992, she lied about her name and the country she came from. This is news?
Google Hirsi Megan: an April 3rd, 2005 article in the NY Times reports her real name, and that she falsified her birth-date upon arrival in Holland. In an article by The Guardian she professes the same.
She has repeatedly corrected the lies she told to enter Holland to the media. Literally every so-called 'shocking revelation by VARA has already been addressed by Hirsi Ali, before her election to parliament.
How odd that the VARA story doesn't mention that. No quotes from the NY Times article, no older Dutch news clips in which she openly told that she lied when she said she had come directly from Somalie instead of Kenya. Those factual tidbits didn't suit the VARA agenda. Mentioning those facts would not 'help' their story on a woman they wanted to portray as a con-artist with skeletons in the closet. Those facts would have turned their news story into a documentary about a woman escaping an arranged marriage. Other details of the 'news piece': the VARA crew gives the impression that Somalia is a pleasant place visit and live, in spite of the civil war that rages there. Revenge, honor, shame, and pride, are the rule for these people. The report attempts to disprove that she actually had escaped the arranged marriage she was involved in, suggesting that her possible presence at the wedding itself indicated a certain degree of cooperation in it, since her mother, brother, and sister weren't there out of protest. That the arranged wedding was her father's doing is apparently not news-worthy. The suggestion that there are no honor-killings in Somalia, and that violence against female family members is a taboo in Somalia could have been dispelled by any expert on Somalia who would have told them that Somali men consider female family members pretty much 'property'. The report doesn't mention the circumcision forced on Ayaan.
The VARA also exposed that Ayaan claimed that she lived in Somalia her entire youth: read the pieces on Ayaan at the NY Times and The Guardian. They both mention she left for Kenya at age 7 with her parents. The VARA maliciously attempts to turn known facts into secrets, which it can then expose!
The VARA deceives the viewer in this show devoted to the character assassination of Hirsi Ali. They manipulate facts, deceive their audience, and entice people into hating one of the bravest persons in Holland. The scum-bags!

I wish there were something I could do to make her feel welcomed and esteemed in her new country.

Any ideas?

#100 Writer Mom

I agree. And, use of language is really critical. Look how the Palestinians try to usurp the Jewish Holocaust.

And it goes on and on, groups spuriously adapting the language of real historical situations to advance their own victim status agendas. Every group on earth now has a 'disaspora'. Guess I'm part of the Anglo/Saxon disaspora, lol.

#85 WriterMom

Didn't Barbara Streisand "fire" her illegal Mexican gardeners because they wanted a $1 per hour raise?

So much with the liberal love of raising the minumum wage!

And things aren't all that hunky dory in the UK either.
Tony Blair has admitted that Labour has failed to produce a criminal justice system that people can trust, amid growing concerns about the impact of human rights legislation.

Last week the Government condemned a High Court ruling that nine Afghan hijackers should be allowed to stay in the UK, and there was widespread public outrage after an inquiry condemned the early release of convicted rapist Anthony Rice, who went on to kill Naomi Bryant, 40.

#111

'disaspora' s/b diaspora. Can't believe I made the same typo twice.

#88 haakondahl 5/15/2006 08:50AM PDT
#81 Writer Mom

I read a book, _The Gift of Fear_ by Gavin deBecker. The premise is great: Fear is your friend--it tells you when you are in danger.

The instincts which make you distrust somebody who has done you no wrong are what keep you alive. Honed over literally millions of years, those instincts are as close to Divine Revelation as most of us are going to get. Learn to listen to your fear, or die.

I struggle to reconcile this with the Litany of Fear, which is pretty cool but contradictory.

Although not quite on the same order of magnitude as fear, I've found that trusting my intuition about people has been very helpful.

I've used it effectively in voting, hiring, and knowing whom to associate with many times. I often seem to have trouble reconciling my logic with my intuition as often someone will have given no evidence of a problem that is measurable who later turns out to be trouble.

I suppose you could also refer to this as the subjective application of life experience.

/things that make you go hmmm...

#110 Karen S 5/15/2006 09:11AM PDT
I wish there were something I could do to make her feel welcomed and esteemed in her new country.

Any ideas?

hmmm...maybe if we don't threaten to kill her?

...just a thought

I'm glad she's coming, and will have the excellent company of the interesting folks at AEI. Good for all involved.

Elsewhere of note...

Senate Immigration Bill Would Allow 100 Million New Legal Immigrants over the Next Twenty Years

#110 Karen S
#17 Occasional Reader

For sure we should offer to hold an LGF meet-up in DC in her honor!

On that BBC article wrt Brazilian gang violoence, one of the quotes from a sympathizer that the article highlights is:

Much of the violence is also in response to police violence - how can criminals have any respect for the law if it is not respected by the police?
Emile Myburgh
Johannesburg

Hmmm, criminals having respect for the law...

92 TalkinKamel

Bubbles Streisand

Never, never, use those two names together. "Bubbles" (aka Bubble Girl) is a very well liked and brilliant lizardette. Streisand is a walking turd.

Eurabia is right on schedule, keep up the good work Dhimmis.

Good for her.

But what will her immigration status be here?

She'll be one more immigrant doing the job that Americans won't do:
CONFRONTING ISLAMIC TERRORISM

/Many Caveats Apply, most notably service-related. But you get my point.

After blasting Yale's Taliban, female Afghan MP gets death threats at home;

Female Afghan MP gets death threats

A young female Afghan legislator now sleeps in a different house every night after a fresh influx of death threats.

Malalai Joya first called powerful tribal leaders "criminals" two years ago. Last week in parliament, she alleged there are warlords among its members.

Joya, 28, says her mission is to improve women's rights and expose criminal legislators in Afghanistan. She says she will continue to speak out.

Another candidate for American Enterprise Institute.

A big welcome to her. May she quickly qualify for and obtain US citizenship, so she can run for office here.

Ms. Ali for Congress. You heard it here first, folks.

#7 "no more Danish ham" ?

Did you hit your head with a meat cleaver?
Denmark and Holland are 2 different nations!
And, hm, let me see, oh, yes Denmark gave Ms.
Ali a freedom price 2 (TWO) years ago!

I just wish she would come to Denmark instead!

Can we trade her for the taliban at Yale? Send him back for her?

@ 105 Grayp

My name's not Kim, but I think I can explain what she means. Of course it's not conservative readers who are spouting venom about Hirsi Ali, but muslims, muslimapologists, leftists and multiculturalists who are now full of schadenfreude because they think they've 'won'. They've been trying to silence her ever since she started criticizing islam. So they can't pass this opportunity to piss their stupidity all over conservative blogs.

They're too stupid to understand that Hirsi Ali leaving is one more piece of evidence that the Netherlands as a liberal, tolerant society is dying and that we're again one step closer to totalitarianism of the worst kind.

I suddenly understand why people four hundred years ago didn't mind burning heretics at the stake. I can see the same mentality in play now.

Peaktalk (who is Dutch, I believe) has an interesting take on this.

The other aspect that should be underlined here is the deep resentment that success and ambition usually generate in The Netherlands. Dynamic careers, success, outspokenness, standing out in the crowd are things that have always been frowned upon, although that has changed a bit in recent years I guess. Still, the Dutch coined the phrase “act normal, that is strange enough” and a very ambitious black Muslim woman who built up a spectacular political career with international allure by holding a mirror in front of the complacent and politically lethargic Dutch was of course not something that would be rewarded with eternal gratitude. Intelligent as she is, Hirsi Ali must have been keenly aware that she was bound to get into real trouble and by that I do not mean a jihadist ready to kill her. No, her once receptive hosts and former friends will now have the honor of wielding the knife.

Brenda #117,

Thanks for that. That's the point I've been trying to make here, using some of these incredible numbers as argument, pointing out how swiftly and easily we could be subsumed by Mexico and a growing Latin Left, becoming, in effect, their province to the north. Mexico is committed to destroying our soveignty. They allow their illegals becoming citizens dual citizenship, with the right to vote in both nations' elections. Most legal immigrants from Mexico support illegals, viewing them as fellow Latin Americans, first.

Occasional Reader:

Still, note to Europe: Keep sending us your Albert Einsteins, Enrico Fermis and Ayaan Hirsi Alis, and we'll keep taking 'em. Works for us...

Amen!

Wow.

I gather I'm the last person on the planet to learn about this. That's what I get for not checking the LGF headlines first thing in the morning - I was only tipped off by another lizardoid's reference to the developments.

FWIW, I've recently posted on it. Better late than never.

But most important, Europe's loss is America's gain. I'm sorry the Netherlands will no longer have her courageous voice, but I'm glad she has found her way to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

Welcome, Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

And thanks to Charles for breaking this news.

#128 Mairjke

Hello, very nice to meet you. Thanks for the update. Are you in the Netherlands?

we're again one step closer to totalitarianism of the worst kind.

I played hostess for a young man from the Netherlands one afternoon last year. I told him the same thing - he just thought I was a coarse, know-nothing, ignorant American and laughed at me.

I thought the French would go down first, but now it looks as though the race to the bottom is between the Netherlands and Belgium.

I left the following comment about political correctness and white guilt on another blog but it needs to go here as well. Since I don't have the energy to retype it I'll just cut and paste it here:

Not only has western society bought the multi-culti myth but it's ways of worshipping that meme as well, all taught and vigorously reinforced, I'm sorry to say, by well-meaning P.C. mothers and WOMEN! Women (and I say this with some authority having been one for 60+ years) are their own worst enemies, as the old book "My Mother, My Friend" by Nancy Friday amply demonstrated. It should have been called "My Mother, My Enemy!" Women are terribly insincere. They are taught to be this way by their mothers and the whole is brought about as 'white lies' told to ease social commerce and communication. The idea is that you don't tell people what you really think about anything. It starts when someone asks you what you think about an unflattering outfit. Your mother and older women teach you not to speak your mind and tell the truth; that it looks so bad you wouldn't wear it to a dogfight. No...that will never do! You must hedge and make nice and say something positive, even if it's a small 'white lie'. Over time the business of not telling the truth becomes systemic and spreads to everything, and especially politics and Islam.

I blame women for leading the liberal, leftist socialization of Europe and their efforts to have North America become the same weaselly kind of ameliorating insincere people. If it weren't for the robustness of the US military and the healthy skepticism of the internet, North America might have succumbed to this insidious, multi-culti p.c. evil and it's soul-destroying distortion of reality.

We can blame our mothers for their over-reaction to fear of hurting others' feelings for telling the truth about an ugly dress, into insincerity in the face of a religious aggression guaranteed to create genocide, for the same dhimmified reaction to Islamic aggression for fear or hurting someone's feelings.

Our mothers' own insincerity and fear of social disapproval for adopting an unpopular stand, has undermined our ability to tell the truth about almost anything, even in the face of death.

Thanks, Mom!

Expatica has a roundup of reactions.

sample

Researcher Peter van Ham of the Clingendael Institute said Ayaan Hirsi Ali will be out of place at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). "You would sooner expect Geert Wilders to be there than Hirsi Ali," he said in reaction to the news she is leaving the Netherlands to work for the AEI. According to Van Ham the AEI is a very conservative institute that has flourished since President George W. Bush came to power. "It is definitely not a liberal bastion," he said. Hirsi Ali, he predicted, will not be encouraged to express liberal views about euthanasia, homosexuality and abortion. "The people who work there have a very religiously-tinted worldview. I think Hirsi Ali will feel totally claustrophobic there."

Clueless. Absolutely clueless.

135/grayp

"Clueless" - that's exactly the word I used to describe van Hambone's reaction. It's as if he needs the Right - or rather, the non-Left - to be sexist and homophobic.

Friggin' pathetic.

#125 I_Invented_Al_Gore:

If Ayaan Hersi Ali wants to run for political office, I'd swap her for Cynthia McKinney any day! ANY DAY!

#95 Foreign Devil:

I posted there once, and I too had my post removed by the blog owner. And my post was not inflammatory at all. I was polite, I just had a different opinion than him. He lost all credibility in my eyes and I stopped going there after that.

I lived in Europe for 15 yrs, and you are right. The euros' eyes are only on their pleasures and benefits: their vacations, their pensions, etc. As long as they have that, they don't care about the rest.

My prediction: Euros will only open their eyes and get serious when their benefits/vacation/pension/money are at risk of being taken from them because their welfare state can no longer afford it due to declining demographics. But by that time, it may be too late.

#95 foreign devil & #138 nichtdhimmi

I posted there once, and I too had my post removed by the blog owner

I haven't been there since I got banned. He said something about Abu Gharib being a PR problem - I posted that this is a country at war and his WWII ancestors would have taken his views as a mark of cowardice.

I think if you look at his comments policy they say something about not calling him a coward.

heh. that was me.

I have said many times that America is the fall back position for the west.

ibrodsky

I certainly hope Oriana stays in the US. . .

#89 Kim Hartveld

Kim, I gotta echo WriterMom in #93; you really ought to consider getting out while the getting's good.

#96 WriterMom

I will be Emailing soon, and we can talk. . .

#98 jehu

A baby-naming service? Heh, heh, good suggestion! Or, maybe a combined baby-naming, chakra reading, crystal adjusting, tarot card reading business---all located in a spa, of course! (A free pedicure comes along with the aura viewing).

What I admire so much about Ayaan Hirsi Ali is not only her tremendous courage in speaking out about Islamic mistreatment of women at great danger to her own life (she has had to live with constant death-threats, has a constant security detail, and filmmaker Theo van Gogh who produced her movie Submission was violently murdered in public) but that she understands the roots of Western liberty: for so many leftists (and others) the liberty and prosperity of the Western countries is, at best, an accident. She, however, understands that the gap between East and West is not only one of place, but one of mind and ideas. Her courage in understanding, articulating, and fighting for those ideas is true heroism.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is fighting the war that needs fighting. We are not up against terrorism, which is a method of fighting, we are up against an ideology of hatred and oppression. To win this war we need to understand that -- and understand the ideas we need to defend. Ms. Ali is doing more to win this war than all the soldiers in Afghanistan.

Europe has turned down the fire of enlightenment she offered, and now the ungrateful wretches can live in the dark like they want, thinking everything is lovey-dovey since there's no one there to shine light on everything that's wrong.

Welcome to America, Ms. Ali. I only hope our nation will be worthy of you.

[Link: seandwicscop.blogspot.com...]

142 lykeios

We are not up against terrorism, which is a method of fighting, we are up against an ideology of hatred and oppression.

More specifically, we're up against an idiology that's so evil and virulent that it's able to use that kind of method of fighting. So while we aren't up against the method, we're up against an evil that can be identified by the method. Eliminate anyone who uses the method, and the evil can be managed.

Not a lot of time today, just wanted to drop in to add my welcome to everyone else's. Hopefully, in some small way, our voices will help shelter and protect not just Ms. Ali, but the ideas she represents.

I had some small hope this could be another wake-up call for Europe, but it looks like they took a couple more Ambien and pulled the blankets over their heads.

#144 merovign

You can't wake up something that's dead. Remember the old Monty Python skit about the man with the dead parrot in the pet shop?

#138 nichtdhimmi and #139 grayp:

Got a blistering reply that 'he blogs for free' (meaning if I'm going to criticize I should hit the PayPal button first)...several mentions of how he works two jobs, contributes to other blogs (but I wouldn't know that), BLOGS FOR FREE, and HASN'T HAD A VACATION FOR TWO YEARS...but I wouldn't know that...and he BLOGS FOR FREE.

At least three mentions of how he 'blogs for free', two of the 'vacation' and various excuses about his work (two jobs) and other blogs. A real defensive response and accused me of ad hominem attacks which I did not do. Merely asked why it didn't seem to be important, given the attack on Theo's lady friend (yes, there was a screed about her as well).

Big guilt complex showing. Definitely not receptive to my comments. :)

foreign devil, he updated his blog to vent his - um - dismay.

And what was the screed he wrote about Ayaan?

Standing offer of dinner and beverage of choice, any time she cares to partake.
One of the most amazing women of our time.

Right on! Awesome news.

/thumbs up

Welcome to the greatest country in the world, Miss Ali! This is friggin great! Now can we ship the Chom or the ilk to them in exchange?

I'm excited to have her here, but much as I admire her, I fear we need Ms. Ali a whole lot less than the Netherlands does.

Another brave Euro voice has done all she can--more than 99.9% of Europeans will ever do, and yet they are still FUBAR. A sad state of affairs.

#147 grayp:

He didn't have a screed about Ayaan, it was about the woman who's befriended Theo:

"...Then you distort what I wrote about Ebru, a woman I know, respect and
defended. I said exactly the opposite of what you claim that I said. I do
not always agree with her methods (I get to see a lot more of her than you
do and some of her behavior after Theo van Gogh's death was hugely
disrespectful, not in the very least towards Theo) YET stood up for her,
which is the exact point of freedom of speech, and a faithful paraphrasation
of what Voltaire said: 'I may not agree with what you said, but will with my
live defend your right to say it'.

"Ebru read my post on her (I send it to her) and she thanked me for it. You
are therefore behaving quite self-righteous, if not arrogant, to pass such a
harsh judgment..."

There was more but it's not important. I don't intend to answer or inflame the situation anymore. It's obvious that some people, Arjan included unfortunately, will spit like cats if you ask them where their social consciousness is when applied to Ayaaan and the Muslims.

hey foreign devil

he's updated his blog again - it's about Ali