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Wed, May 24, 2006 at 8:23:46 pm PDT

Voice of America was founded to help promote the ideology and spirit of America to foreign audiences. At least, that’s what I always thought.

But somewhere along the way, it became a mouthpiece for Islamist propaganda. A VOA report by Mohamed Elshinnawi about a Pew poll showing increasingly negative opinions of Islam pushes the line that Americans are just brimming over with “Islamophobia,” and it all stems from ignorance of Islam—despite the fact that Americans have more information about Islam than ever, almost all of it heavily slanted towards the positive: VOA News - Is Islam Misunderstood in America?

A new survey of U.S. public attitudes toward Muslim-Americans and Islam finds that a majority of Americans  — 55 percent — regard Muslim-Americans favorably, but that smaller numbers - only 41 percent — have favorable impressions of Islam as a religion. The study by the Washington, D.C.-based Pew Research Center indicates that many Americans perceive a link between Islam and violence, with more than one in three saying Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence among its believers.  Experts on Islamic-American relations believe such negative views stem from American ignorance of Islamic culture.

Muslims and Islamic culture have long been an integral part of American society. But today, almost years after the 9/11 attacks by radical Islamists and the start of America’s war on terror, many Americans associate Islam with violence and extremism.

We asked a random sample of people in downtown Washington, DC, what immediately comes to mind when they hear the word “Islam”. “Unfortunately, the first thought that I have is something maybe a little charged with aggression and negativity,” said one woman. A man remarked, “The fact that I work in Washington, DC, makes me especially fearful of Islamic terrorism, especially in the time after September 11.” Another woman shared her thoughts: “I know it is a religion founded by Muhammad, and that he was a General, a warrior.” Another man talked about his fears: “It brings a little bit of fear to me after being here on September 11th and watching the planes go in.” ...

American Muslim leaders blame the US news media for generating what Nihad Awad, Executive Director of the Council for American Islamic Relations calls “Islamophobia”.

“The kind of coverage that the American audience has been receiving about Islam and Muslims leads one to just one conclusion, that Islam is bad and Muslims are violent,” he said. “The media has failed to capture the reality of the Muslim world and only focused on the actions of the few.”

The “actions of the few” include those of CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad himself, who during a 1994 speech at Florida’s Barry University stated, “I am in support of the Hamas movement.”

This Voice of America article, like almost all mainstream media pieces that cite the Council on American-Islamic Relations, doesn’t bother to mention Nihad Awad’s statement supporting a genocidal terrorist group. Mainstream media also think you don’t need to know that at least five of CAIR’s employees and board members have been arrested, convicted, deported, or otherwise linked to terrorism-related charges and activities.

But oddly enough, even though the media are keeping us ignorant of these facts, Americans seem to have increasingly negative opinions about Islam. Go figure!

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1 Americain  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:25:17pm

I really don't care for CAIR.

2 BostonPatriot  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:26:00pm

Experts on Islamic-American relations believe such negative views stem from American ignorance of Islamic culture.

I'm pretty sure it has to do with watching a plane slam into a a skyscraper in my second period history class when I was a sophomore in high school. Don't quote me on that or anything.

3 Killer Tomato  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:26:13pm
Experts on Islamic-American relations believe such negative views stem from American ignorance of Islamic culture.

Ah, no. Such negative views stem from American knowledge of Islamic culture.

4 Americain  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:27:43pm

VOA is just another American institution taken over by Leftists, Socialists, Commies and Islamofascists.

5 Stuck in california  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:29:23pm

ignorant = lack of knowledge...

I don't think so, bubba...

6 massachusetts republican  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:31:36pm

WTF! This is just another example of the fact that 1/2 of us don't get it yet!

7 ted  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:31:52pm

2..Exactly...or the fact my mother almost died when we couldnt contact my brother for 6 hours on 9/11 where he worked close to ground zero

Im sure it has nothing to do with that...

Negative views of islam ?

Why would anyone imagine that?

8 LSD  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:32:45pm

Well, there it is ...

9 Americain  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:33:00pm

I don't suffer from Islamophobia, I suffer from Islampnausea.

10 massachusetts republican  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:33:54pm

“Islamophobia” def.- the fear that a moslem will kill you

11 Americain  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:34:30pm

Islampnausea = Islamonausea

PIMF, and a bad keyboard to boot.

12 daledog  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:34:42pm

It was a nice warm spring day in Chicago today. A muslim man in shorts, sandals, and a polo shirt was walking three steps ahead of a muslim woman covered from head to toe in a black burqa.
I'm supposed to have a positive view about islam after seeing this?

13 BostonPatriot  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:34:53pm

7 ted

It wasn't even just seeing the event happen. When I saw the plane hit the tower I thought that would be happening all day. When the Pentagon was hit I was almost sure of it. I thought I'd wake up the next morning and there'd be no more America.

I never want to feel that fear ever again.

CAIR disgusts me.

14 Jack Reacher  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:37:27pm
...with more than one in three saying Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence among its believers.

If two out of three don't see Islam as particularly violent, perhaps many Americans are ignorant of Islamic culture.

15 rabidsquirrel  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:38:13pm

I don't know about all of you, but I'm offended by the use of the term Islamophobia. I don't fear Islam, I despise it. What I fear is the effect its practitioners are having/will have on this country if something isn't done.

16 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:40:10pm

Dear Islam,

The more I learn about you, the more loathsome you become. The more Americans learn about you, the more they will come to hate you.

When your honeymoon with the U.S. comes to an end you will suffer greatly for all those who have been killed in your name.

17 BostonPatriot  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:42:46pm

I just hate how people will completely ignore actual antisemitism, but grab on to this phantom Islamophobia as an actual entity.

Do I hate Muslims? No. But I do hate Islamists (there's a big difference).

18 ted  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:43:59pm

13 BP.. This and the previous post confirm in my mind that we are being infected with a plague...Islamists are the resevoirs or carriers of the disease...The MSM and many educators are the Fifth columnist spreaders who are willingly and knowingly spreading this pox like an AIDS infected prostitute...Other vectors are the Reconquistas who have learned very quickly and opened a new front...

We are under siege and must fight to save our lives

19 Killer Tomato  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:44:20pm
A new survey of U.S. public attitudes toward Muslim-Americans and Islam finds that a majority of Americans — 55 percent — regard Muslim-Americans favorably, but that smaller numbers - only 41 percent — have favorable impressions of Islam as a religion.

sigh

Repeat after me - "Islam is NOT a religion."

To quote zombie*: "There is no such thing as "religion" in Islamic thought. Islam, by its own definition and by the definition of its leading scholars, is an all-encompassing social, political, spiritual, personal and intellectual worldview that does not leave room for or even allow any other lifestyles. In Islamic thought, there is no "religion", Islam is the One True Way of Existence; everything else must be destroyed. It is not possible to separate the spiritual aspect of Islam from the judicial, political, military, sexual, economic and ritual aspects. They are all integrated into one seamless fabric. The essential nature of this fabric is theocratic totalitarianism."

*I'm pretty sure it's zombie - if I'm wrong, I'm also pretty sure someone will point it out.

20 redshirt  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:44:34pm

"Muslims and Islamic culture have long been an integral part of American society."
Yes I remember well the stories of the Brave Muslims who fought for this country during the Revolution and the Civil War. How about those brave muslim soldiers in the trenches of WWI. Not to mention those brave muslims who helped liberate Auschwitz.
Yes, they have contributed mightily to this country.

21 saywhat?  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:45:57pm

Islam, a religion of peace? Well color me skeptical, because since 9/11 there have been over 5000 islamist terrorist incidents .

I make my judgements based on reality. I cannot name one peaceful islamic initiative, not from historic reference and certainly not from daily reports. Islam reaps what it sows. . . disgust, distrust, disdain.

22 jhn1  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:47:09pm

IIRC the VoA is under the executive branch (mostly). Since the sitting President makes special efforts to loudly proclaim "Islam is the Religion of Peace", it should come as no suprise that various government mouthpieces repeat that refrain.
"Islam delenda est"

23 BostonPatriot  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:47:10pm

21 saywhat?

But...but...but...America is the source of all the wrongs in the world!

24 StarsandStripes  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:47:18pm

"...many Americans associate Islam with violence and extremism."

Good, because Islam is violent and extreme.

25 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:50:39pm

Let me get this straight -

If a poll is run and a certain group doesn't like the result, they can get the "open minded" and "balanced" media to carry water around a "there is a widespread misunderstanding" theme, right?

OK - then where are the media reports saying that Americans and Europeans misunderstand the war in Iraq?

26 ted  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:53:29pm

OT: Check this one out...this one is a classic: The UN is robbing itself !

AP: U.N. threatens to pull Sudan auditors By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 49 minutes ago


UNITED NATIONS - The U.N.'s internal watchdog agency has threatened to withdraw its auditors from Sudan to protest restrictions placed on it by the U.N. envoy to the troubled African nation, according to a memo obtained by The Associated Press.






The Office of Internal Oversight Services, known as OIOS, has been prevented from carrying out a thorough examination of the nearly $1 billion peacekeeping budget for the country, according to the internal e-mail memo.

The threat comes as the United Nations plans to expand its Sudan operation and take over peacekeeping duties in its conflict-wracked Darfur region, site of one of the world's most serious humanitarian crises. It also comes in the midst of a major reform effort and greater scrutiny of U.N. peacekeeping missions with a goal of more openness and accountability.

Undersecretary-General Inga-Britt Ahlenius said in the memo, obtained this week, that OIOS auditors "have not been able to fulfill any audits during the last three months" as a result of instructions from U.N. envoy Jan Pronk to staff of the U.N. Mission in Sudan.

She said she had informed Secretary-General Kofi Annan on May 16 that she would be instructing the auditors to prepare to withdraw from the U.N. Mission in Sudan by May 31 because of Pronk's interference.

Bahaa Elkoussy, a spokesman for the U.N. Mission in Sudan, said Wednesday that Pronk "does not comment on internal memos...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

27 Catttt  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:55:04pm

Gee, why would Americans have negative opinions of Islam?

9/11?
Beheadings?
Cartoon riots (which had a huge negative impact in my neck of the woods, because it got such wide press and looked so totally violently insane to Mr. and Ms. Average American)?
Sleeper cells? Suitcase nukes? 24?

Average Americans may be semi-oblivious, but they do notice when a large group of people seem violently insane and out to get them.

28 Frank_Mtl  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:55:11pm

Here's hoping it never gets to be comparable to the Voice of Atzlan.

29 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:55:30pm

One of my local television stations just got a new anchor and program director. He used to be a big name with VOA in the middle east, and was part of CNN's Baghdad team. Since he took over our station now runs about 8 dem political ads to every one rep ad. Also all of the news stories have developed a far left slant. More worryingly his wife is an Iraqi who is teaching a class to women this summer about how Iraqi women have lived, if he wasn't so biased I wouldn't be worried, but he is her special guest in one of her class sessions. I'm afraid the whole class is going to be "Iraq as viewed by the left".

30 fluffy  Wed, May 24, 2006 6:58:00pm

#20 redshirt

That spiked my BS meter also.

It's amazing what people will write when they assume that their audience is stupid.

31 swamprat  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:01:18pm

You know, if I were muslim, and I knew that CAIR was defending my honor, my reputation, and the honor and reputation of my religion, I'd be pissed. I'd sure want a better mouthpiece. Surely there is a muslim defense organization, out there, not funded and founded by terrorists. Hell, maybe even one that has goals in line with those of the United States?

32 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:05:13pm

#31 swamprat

Surely there is a muslim defense organization, out there, not funded and founded by terrorists. Hell, maybe even one that has goals in line with those of the United States?

Off yer Meds?

33 jwm  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:05:36pm

If 41 pecent of Americans have a favorable view of islam, that's evidence of widespread ignorance.
The contributions of moslems to America?
I'll say it again. The relationship of islam to America is the relationship of a virus to its host cell. Only one party benefits, and it isn't the host cell.

islam: what's to like?

JWM

34 Tasty_Beverage  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:06:30pm

#2 BostonPatriot

I'm pretty sure it has to do with watching a plane slam into a a skyscraper in my second period history class when I was a sophomore in high school.

I'm curious about your highschool experience with 9/11. When I was in school in '86 and the Space Shuttle exploded, the principal made an announcement over the PA, and then a TV was wheeled into our classroom, on which we watched the take-off and subsequent explosion over and over again while the MSM talking heads made their "oh so shocked" voice-overs.

This was in the days before counselors were dispatched to schools when a child cut his arm, and we weren't let go early that day. I'm curious about how your school reacted to a national "tragedy" (actually, an attack upon our homeland) in 2001 vs. 1986.

35 m  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:07:25pm

Some Americans, including Patricia Hagen, believe a dialogue among the people of the three monotheistic faiths - Christianity, Islam and Judaism - is the best approach to overcome misunderstandings. "Better understanding - and I think it is got to come from within all of the three major religions, to work together," she said. "Coming from a Christian background, Abraham is the founder of Judaism [and] Christianity as well as Islam, so we came from the same foundation, now we have to build upon that foundation."

OH NO HE WAS NOT!

Islam came from mo's f*cked up head! (with egging on from his first wife-Khadija)

36 EIDE_Interface  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:07:39pm

This is all part of the Stalinist playbook - when you start sensing victory you go even more on the offensive then before. One thing you have to give credit to the Islamonazis and the LLLs, they are determined motherfuckers.

37 swamprat  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:09:07pm

32 mbl/dammit, I was drinking lemonade; that almost cost me my laptop...

38 gus3  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:10:27pm

Islam, and its associated mouthpieces, are viewed negatively, precisely because people are waking up to reality.

/Sulzberger? Dispatch? Hellooo?

39 EE  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:13:12pm

CAIR itself openly supports the terrorist Hamas regime. If CAIR bills itself as a mainstream representative of Muslims, then what their support of the Hamas terrorists implies is that support of Islamic terrorism is mainstream in the Muslim world.

Everything that CAIR says should be taken with a grain of salt, and with the realization that CAIR is the main Hamas lobby in the US. Too bad that VOA repeats CAIR's propaganda concerning "Islamophobia". If support of the terrorist Hamas regime is mainstream Muslim behavior, then fear of terrorism correctly translates into fear of the mainstream Muslim attitude. That's not "phobia". That's fear of danger, which is rational. It's the opposite of that, a reckless disregard for jihad terrorist danger, that is irrational.

40 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:13:13pm

#35 m

Correcto, correcto! Ishmael, hence the Ishmaelites/ arabs came from Abraham, not, as you point out, islam(I never capitalize that word).

41 solomonpanting  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:14:20pm
One of the problems with the media's portrayal of Islam, experts say, is that violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists aligned with al-Qaida make the news far more often than the peaceful aspects of Islamic culture.

As is reiterated in the MSM, "if it bleeds, it leads."

In regards to all of those 'peaceful' aspects of Islam, one only has to look at Islam-dominated countries and how its non Muslims are treated, how women are treated, how their economies are functioning, the contributions of Islamic science, medicine, tecnology, and the arts, and then make judgements of Islamic culture. If one refuses to buy into the "all cultures are equal" rubbish, then it's not difficult or surprising to read that almost 60% of Americans do not have a favorable view of Islam.

42 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:15:41pm

#37 swamprat

Gotchya.

43 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:15:44pm

Don't know if this was posted, maybe its a hattip (sorry wishful thinking), but I'm going to post it anyway. I'm seriously pissed.

Burglars Have Hands on 26.5 Million VA Records

May 22, 2006

Secretary of Veterans Affairs (VA) R. James Nicholson told reporters Monday that burglars stole 26.5 million veterans’ records containing names, social security numbers and dates of birth from a VA data analyst’s house sometime in May.

Although unclear about the actual type of data, Mr. Nicholson said the analyst was not authorized to remove the information from the VA and was placed on administrative leave pending an investigation.

He also emphasized that the employee did not remove any medical or financial records—although some records contained disability rating information.

“The employee took it home to work with it,” the secretary said. “He’s working on a project that had to do with collation … trying to simplify some processes that we do here.”

He also said the VA believes the burglary was random, and other burglaries had taken place near the VA employee’s house. But many aspects of the investigation remain unclear.

“There is no indication at this time at all that any use is being made of this data, or even that [the burglars] know they have it,” Mr. Nicholson said. “But considering the pros and cons of going public with this, and then that of alerting the veterans, we’ve decided to come down on the side of, you know, of making our veterans aware.”

The secretary would not disclose the name or level at which the employee worked or where the employee lived, but he said the analyst was a career employee and not an appointee. He also could not disclose when the employee removed the data from the VA.

44 Noam Sayin'  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:15:51pm

I think Hanson said it best:

After 30 years of listening to nauseating chanting from Teheran to Islamabad to Nablus, hearing the childish rants about "The Mother of All Battles" and "The Great Satan," and witnessing presidents from Carter to Bush burned in effigy, the ritual torching of the American flag, the misspelled banners of hatred, the thousands of paint-by-the-numbers posters of psychopaths from Khomeini to bin Laden, televised threats that sound as hideous as they are empty, Nazi-inspired anti-Semitism, embassy takeovers, oil-boycotts, hijacked planes, cars, and ships, lectures from unelected obese sheiks with long names and gold chains, peacekeepers incinerated in their sleep, murders at the Olympics, bodies dumped on the tarmac of airports, shredded diplomats, madmen in sunglasses in Iraq, Syria, and Libya, demented mullahs and whip-bearing imams in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, continual televised murders of Americans abroad, our towers toppled, our citizens butchered, our planes blown up, hooded Klansmen in Hamas and Hezbollah, killers of al-this and Islamic-that, suicide bombers, shrill turbaned nuts spouting hatred on C-SPAN broadcasts, one day the salvation of Kuwait, the next sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the third day fury against the sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the fourth day some grievance from 1953, the fifth another from A.D. 752; and all the time sanctimonious fingerpointing from Middle Eastern academics and journalists who are as bold abroad in insulting us as they are timid and obsequious under dictators at home in keeping silent, I've about had it. No mas. The problem is you, not us — you, you, you….

45 bj  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:16:57pm

And American taxpayers are paying for VOA? There's another little thinggie I can email my Congressmen about. Shut it down if that's the junk it's broadcasting.

Take a poll, ask Americans if there is anything, one iota, one shred of information we want to pay to have broadcast about the RoPieces.

All Americans are not that stupid! FTM, the stupid ones don't care a lot more than I don't care and I don't care big time. Let some of them good ol' boys out in the woods just haul out their old shotguns and fire away for all I care. That's how much I care!

46 looking closely  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:18:45pm

Instead of this whining from CAIR about how Americans unjustly hate Islam (no thanks to them), I'd like to hear them explain why Americans should LIKE Islam.

If Islam is so great, and has contributed so much to America, let's hear about THAT. Let's hear about the positives, instead of allegations of racism and bigotry. So, in that spirit, here's a pop quiz for the "Islam is great" crowd:

Name a great and famous Islamic American. . .

Politician
Artist
Scientist
Philosopher.
Engineer
Author
Philanthropist.

Remember that there are roughly 6 million Muslims in the USA. . .the exact number depends on whom you want to believe, but its roughly the same number as the number of Jews in the USA (if not more).

Now repeat the above quiz using any religious group you like (Jews, Buddhists, Quakers, etc), or any ethnic minority (Polish Americans, Greek Americans, etc).

47 Frank_Mtl  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:20:43pm

#43 Mars Needs Neocons
News too old for LGF my friend :-)

48 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:21:42pm

Sorry hold up.

I'm pissed because I had to find this out by noticing the headline on my local paper, and not because the VA bothered to notify us lowly vets. It would have been nice to have recieved some sort of notification, maybe even before the press release went out.

On the other hand several libnut sites are saying this is proof of the BOOOSH administrations incompetence. One qoute "And this gang is supposed to keep us safe from terrorism?"

WTF? Since when does the VA keep us safe from terrorism? These loonies are off their nut.

Anyway, if Reaganite or one of our other great Veterans are trolling about, I'd really like to get your take on this.

Personally, I'm having my wife call Senator Burns' wife and see if he'll meet with me to talk for a few minutes.

49 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:24:06pm
#47 Frank_Mtl 5/24/2006 09:20PM PDT


I figured it was, but I couldn't find it trolling back over the old threads. I've been off here for a while. (Checking my posts will show that ;) )

50 solomonpanting  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:25:11pm

46 looking closely

Who are the great Buddhist-Americans?


(Besides Richard Gere)

51 mattm  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:28:33pm
But oddly enough, even though the media are keeping us ignorant of these facts, Americans seem to have increasingly negative opinions about Islam. Go figure!

Americans are not dumb. We saw who attacked us on 9/11, the USS Cole, we know that the real enemey is Radical Islam not George Bush. The majority of Americans know this, the MSM dosen't like it and hides the facts. If the truth about CAIR and Islam in general were well known outside the blogs, the negative perecption of Islam would be worse.

52 raidergirl  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:29:42pm

O.K., so we are ignorant, How about the murders that occured on 911? I think I know all about these assholes I need to! Sorry, just about had it with the excuses for these murdering bastards!

53 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:30:16pm

#51 mattm 5/24/2006 09:28PM PDT

The problem being, the barbarians are at the gate and the libs are rolling out the red carpet.

54 Promethea  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:31:00pm

#3 Killer Tomato . . .

Ah, no. Such negative views stem from American knowledge of Islamic culture.

Exactly. The more we know, the less we like.

P.S. I like your nic!

55 raidergirl  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:32:41pm

Oh, by the way, Evening all!

56 tommoon  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:35:28pm

Mr Muslum please meet Mr. Mexican. It seems this country no longer exist, please feel free to kill each other and whites, blacks, and asians that you might see getting in your way. Notify congress of which group you are killing the most of, it would be a waste of time of hard earned bribes to waste it on votes that no longer matter.

57 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:37:37pm

Evening RG

58 raidergirl  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:42:45pm

#51 mattm, No, pull the wool over your eyes, we shall ignore all the disgusting shit these fools do on a daily basis. Man, I have had it!
Sorry, lets have a few more meetings to learn how we can get along with these demons! Sorry, kinda harsh! NOT!

59 redshirt  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:50:39pm

#46 looking closely
Kasey Kasem
(I think)

60 antipilgerite  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:51:15pm
We asked a random sample of people in downtown Washington, DC, what immediately comes to mind when they hear the word “Islam”.

My answer: "Whining."

61 redshirt  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:51:37pm

If noone can name a famous US muslim, maybe someone can tell me what islam has done for America?

62 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:53:17pm

#61 redshirt 5/24/2006 09:51PM PDT

Woke us up

63 pat  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:54:27pm

Is it really surprising to find traitors in VOA? This administration seems oblivious to political intrique. Dems want illegals to vote? OK .Clinton's District Attorneys can find nothing wrong with Dem corruption, but finger only Republicans. OK. Bush says English should be the language of the land, and Alberto Gonsalves says Bush was kidding. OK. Who the hell is in charge of this train wreck?

64 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:54:36pm

At least some of us. I was awake when I had to work with them while in the military. And then some of us will never awaken to the threat.

65 looking closely  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:54:49pm

#50 Solomon Panting

Well, you got me on that one!

But in general Americans don't hold a particularly negative view of Buddhism, nor do I remember the Council for Buddhist American relations accusing Americans of Buddho-phobia. Obviously, there have been many famous contributing Buddhists in the world, eg:

[Link: www.engology.com...]

There have been plenty of accomplished American Quakers, including Presidents Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon, scientists Joseph Lister and John Dalton, and many others. That's despite their exceptionally small numbers (I think less than 125,000 in the USA now). Quakers also came up with that now overused term "speaking truth to power", incidentall).

If you're interested in American political ethnicity, this is a somewhat helpful site:
[Link: politicalgraveyard.com...]

66 redshirt  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:56:13pm

#62 Mars
Are we awake? Seems we aren't taking them very seriously lately. More like we are kissing their asses.

67 pat  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:56:35pm

Mars Needs Neocons
That #61 comment was tasty.

68 Infidel and Proud  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:58:05pm

When the muslim can consistently demonstrate that it can act like a civilised human then I might reconsider.

Until then, they can stay in their Third World shitholes and "worship" the pedo-prophet in whichever way they wish.

69 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:58:39pm

#66 redshirt 5/24/2006 09:56PM PDT

I corrected myself. Sorry.

70 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 7:59:57pm

#67 pat 5/24/2006 09:56PM PDT

nod

71 redshirt  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:01:05pm

#69 Mars
That's OK, at least we are awake, so there is hope!

72 saltmarsh  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:01:39pm

May 24, 2006 and islam is still a perfidious pigshit cult.

When the leaf leaves the tree, it doesn't matter where it lands. One reason for being ends and another begins.

73 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:03:11pm

#71 redshirt 5/24/2006 10:01PM PDT

Always. Those of us who once guarded, always will.

74 redshirt  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:05:22pm

#73 Mars
Were you military?

75 hershel  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:07:11pm

Please, Charles, keep hitting CAIR as hard as you can as often as you can.

76 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:08:19pm

yep

77 redshirt  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:09:29pm

Good! thanks!

78 solomonpanting  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:09:56pm

#59 redshirt

Casey Kasem is Catholic.

#65 looking closely

Yep. Those willing to assimilate into American culture always have the opportunity to accomplish great deeds, or else just live their lives in less demonstrative fashion. It's what makes us unique, and great.

79 looking closely  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:11:34pm

#61

I deliberately left out actors and athletes in my question, but obviously there are many "famous" Muslim Americans:

Cassius Clay/ Muhammed Ali.
Malcom X
Dr. Ahmed Zewail (Nobel Prize Chemistry, 1999).
John Walker Lindh
David Chappelle
Jermaine Jackson
Khalid Shaikh Muhammed
John Allen Muhammed (and Lee Malvo)
Jose Padilla
Richard Reid
Mike Tyson
Mumia Abu-Jamal

The problem with lists of famous Arab Americans like this becomes pretty obvious after looking at them (even if you do weed out the Nation of Islamites).

80 Brutus  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:17:50pm
“The media has failed to capture the reality of the Muslim world and only focused on the actions of the few.”

A small list of a few:

Hamas
Islamic Jihad
Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
Hezbolla
Al Queda
Jamaal Islameya
Abu Sayef
Whatever it is the Chechnyans call themselves
Mujahadeen in Sudan
Mujahadeen in Iraq
Taliban

etc...

By the way, any other religions we know of dissected into so many fractured groups, the raison d'etre of which is to destroy, maime or kill?

Thought not.

81 reader  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:18:23pm

They cannot and will not stop lying, in playing their distortion game. Truth is their mortal enemy, and they know it. They fear it, just like they fear us. That's why they can never know peace. Without peace, they can never have control, even if they were to conquer the entire world, they would still have nothing. So for them, the only choice is war, endless war, a ruinous chaos out of which nothing good can come, nor ever be achieved. The peace they seek is fleeting, an illusion, as far from spirit as truth is from a lie. So warped are they in their thinking that they cannot accept, nor abide that anyone would reject their message for what it is, and for what they represent. So in their desperation to salvage what little dignity they can hope to retain, they reinstitute the grand lie, that it is not Islam, nor Muslims supporting political Islam, with all its ruthless jihad and unrepentant hatred for humanity that must yield, but those who would dare question, challenge or reject Islam, who by virtue of being human beings first, are entitled to the own thoughts and feelings, and therefore, should not have to endure the kind of ridicule and censure that can only serve those who would only know intolerance.

82 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:19:54pm

#79 looking closely 5/24/2006 10:11PM PDT

Yussef Islam or whatever the hell Cat Stevens thinks his name is.

Isn't Richard Reid british?

83 EIDE_Interface  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:38:24pm

The only way to fight the Islamofascists is to answer their propaganda offensive with an even bigger one - but we all have day jobs.

84 pat  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:40:55pm

I love it. Everyone of these 'famous' Muslims is defective.

85 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, May 24, 2006 8:41:44pm

#84 pat 5/24/2006 10:40PM PDT

Pretty much

86 ouray  Wed, May 24, 2006 10:03:32pm

#61 redshirt

maybe someone can tell me what islam has done for America?

Well, when Islam conquered enough territory in the Middle East the trade routes to the Far East were closed to the West. Some Spanish Guy sailed west across the Ocean, and the rest, as they say, is history.

/kind of a negative positive, or is it a positive negative?

87 hiker  Thu, May 25, 2006 2:09:13am

Actually, my contempt for islam began many, many years ago when I read about the islamic conquests of the Middle East and Southwest Asia, especially the horrific massacre of the Hindus. I realized decades ago that islam was a violent, bloodthirsty, militant, intolerant, hateful movement of aggression and tyrannical colonialism. But, back then I also thought -- naively, obviously -- that islam could be reformed, that modern moslems would be able to see that the historical islam was incompatible with freedom and human rights and progress, and they would toss off the yoke of that oppression and join the modern world. Silly me.

I've studied much about islam since those days, and I am convinced that islam is not reformable, as any reformation would in fact destroy the core principles of islam, and thus islam could only be erased, and not reformed.

Islam is the result of the maniacal ravings of a pedophilic warlord and bandit, and the fact so many millions have fallen for islam's message of hate says much about the kind of people who would embrace it.

I agree with the moslems in this regard: It's either them or us; there is no acceptable third option. I will do whatever I can to make sure that it's us who prevail.

88 hiker  Thu, May 25, 2006 2:18:53am

#18 ted

"This and the previous post confirm in my mind that we are being infected with a plague...Islamists are the resevoirs or carriers of the disease...The MSM and many educators are the Fifth columnist spreaders who are willingly and knowingly spreading this pox like an AIDS infected prostitute...Other vectors are the Reconquistas who have learned very quickly and opened a new front...We are under siege and must fight to save our lives."

Well said. Those who don't see the obvious threat to America are either blind or delusional; and those who do see it, but happily encourage the threat, are traitors, who deserve no less than a traitor's end.

America is approaching its fateful fork in the road: which road we take will decide whether we prevail pr perish, as a nation and as a people. It's that close, folks. The time to decide is running short.

89 Logic  Thu, May 25, 2006 3:10:09am
The study by the Washington, D.C.-based Pew Research Center indicates that many Americans perceive a link between Islam and violence, with more than one in three saying Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence among its believers.

This is encouraging news: people are actually beginning to get a whiff of the elephant in the living room. As far as I'm concerned, you have to be dumber than a bag of hammers not to see the link between Islam and violence!

Islamophobia my arse! All it is is seeing the truth before our very eyes!

90 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, May 25, 2006 3:59:54am

I think that we aren't getting it right. VOA or even LGF for that matter.

The Islamic world has a world of troubles. There is a reason millions of Muslims emmigrate from the mostly failed states of Arabia and North Africa.

Many Muslims that emmigrate to the US are intent on becoming Americans and not subverting the US government. Think of the burden the Wafa Sultans of the world carry as a result of the negative actions of the worst of their co-religionists. We don't need to make their lives or what they do any harder.

This is not to give a free pass to CAIR or sugar coaters in the media, rather it is to insist that we do all we can to help them. Islam is practiced by tens of millions of people who don't hate but actually LOVE the USA (hello everyone in Iran under age 30). The Afghan and Iraqi people know what have done for them. For them, we need to be attacking those Muslims and groups that are still stuck in the dark ages. Making the war against those who abuse Islam and those in Islam who follow bin Laden and are intent on us all living as servile bootlickers under a Caliphate.

If we do not present a road other than war, then all we will see is war. Sooner or later, the Islamic world will change because the globalization of instaneous knowledge cannot coexist with Female Genital Mutilation and a militant Islam that can only be reconciled with modernity through hatred.

We cannot forget that people are the products of history; we have not seen any mjor act of terror on US soil in almost five years. There are many Muslims are defending this country because they want neither the backlash against them and because their fight is also ours.

Sometimes greatness requires restraint and strength.

91 Terp Mole  Thu, May 25, 2006 4:34:17am

Gee this thread looks familiar.

92 scorched earth 138  Thu, May 25, 2006 4:46:11am

Hey "CAIR" turd burglars, I don't have a phobia about your pedophile false phrophet's death cult. I have a HATRED for it...

93 Terp Mole  Thu, May 25, 2006 4:59:00am
only 41 percent — have favorable impressions of Islam as a religion

Apparently, 71% of Eurabia's Germans are more enlightened than 41 percent of Americans.

A total of 71 per cent said Islam was intolerant, up from 66 per cent in 2004.
94 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 25, 2006 5:24:17am
95 Carridine  Thu, May 25, 2006 5:31:43am

"...stems from iggorance of Islam..."

To Know Me Is To Love Muslim Me

To know, know, know me
Is to love, love, love me
Just to kill a child
Makes my joy go wild
Yes, just to know me
Is to love, love, love me
And I do, its true, I do...

I'd send martyrs out
Jihadis to die and shout
Hate-filled epithets
Jew-killing martinets

Yes just to know me,
Is to love, love, love me
And I do..
I do, I do...

Why can't the Free
world, know
its under the feet
of the Muslims?

(bridge)

You show, show, show me
How to kill with thuggery
That can make me smile
Your pain makes it all worthwhile
I'll show, show, show you
How to submit to me,
K'ffir you!
Its true, I'll kill you,
Its not new,
We hate YOU!

96 sms111  Thu, May 25, 2006 5:53:06am

oddly enough, even though the media are keeping us ignorant of these facts, Americans seem to have increasingly negative opinions about Islam. Go figure!

Simple. More and more Americans are no longer ignorant about the media - and its being worse than useless.

97 EIDE_Interface  Thu, May 25, 2006 7:10:58am

The fact ya'll are asking such questions about Islamic-Americans shows ya'll just a bunch of racist, Nazi rednecks and should all be put into a re-education/concentration camp immediately!

/tolerant leftist

98 CLLRusso  Thu, May 25, 2006 8:00:13am

I e-mailed our local CAIR guy, Ahmed Bedier, and asked why their website only have assistance for their people to be better muslims and not anything on how to be a better American. He had nothing to say. But he has already tried out the school system as to including Islamic holidays. No. Get in line behind all the other minorities please.

He's the go to guy for excuses on why 2 Saudi men felt it just fine to climb aboard a school bus to visit a local high school, one wearing a trenchcoat. It was only about 90 degrees out. Obviously they have received no sensetivity training prior to our State Dept (the SHIP OF FOOLS) giving them their automatic stamp of approval for entry into our country. Rules? What rules!

The more we know about Islam the more we recognize it's utter lack of redeeming qualities. The fact that VOA is allowing it's propaganda is to stupid for words.

99 FinallyHere  Fri, May 26, 2006 1:56:14am

Experts on Islamic-American relations believe such negative views stem from American ignorance of Islamic culture.

CAIR must be happy that this ignorance exists.

Can you imagine the views of Americans if the did know Islamic culture?

100 LC LaWedgie  Fri, May 26, 2006 7:51:38pm

If you read the VOA Journalistic Code, you soon realize that basically, they report on nothing. Nothing good, nothing bad, nothing controversial - simply "an inspiration and information lifeline to nations and peoples around the world."

Having listen to shortwave since the early '60s, this is a common practice for every country with a shortwave radio outlet:

to be "a powerful source of inspiration and hope for all"

As such, tuning the international broadcast bands, you're most likely to hear reports about Australian sheep, English bulldogs and Japanese sushi.


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