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Canadian Jihadi Accused of Planning to Behead Harper

Tue, Jun 6, 2006 at 12:59:37 pm PDT

Muslim convert Steven Chand (aka Abdul Shakur, although this Reuters report doesn’t mention it) was allegedly planning to decapitate Canada’s Prime Minister. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

BRAMPTON, Ontario (Reuters) - One of 17 men accused of plotting bombings in major Canadian cities and of training militants also faces an allegation that he sought to behead Prime Minister Stephen Harper, his lawyer said on Tuesday.

Steven Chand, 25, was among 15 members of the alleged terrorist ring who appeared in a heavily guarded courtroom north of Toronto to set dates for bail hearings. The Muslim men, five of them under the age of 18, were arrested on Friday in Canada’s largest counterterrorism operation, and police said more arrests are possible.

Chand’s lawyer, Gary Batasar, said his client faced several serious charges and was concerned that intense media interest in the details of the case in Canada and the United States could jeopardize Chand’s chances of a fair trial.

Allegations include plans for the “storming and bombing of various buildings,” Batasar told reporters. “There’s an allegation apparently that my client personally indicated that he wanted to behead the prime minister of Canada,” Batasar said. “It’s a very serious allegation — he’s said nothing about that. My client retains the right to silence.”

Members of the group are alleged to have considered plans to take hostages and to attack Canada’s parliament in Ottawa, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. building in Toronto and power grids, according to a synopsis of charges Batasar said he saw.

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1 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:01:13am

Clinton got head, now not ten years later we have this.

2 vero  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:02:51am

"My client retains the right to silence.”
"

ah, beheading HIM would do the trick

3 Cornholio  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:03:44am

So how is the Left going to blame this on Canadian imperialism? On Canada's "war of aggression in Iraq"?

Just goes to show the terrorists hate us because we're not muslim fundamentists - it has nothing to do with American foreign policy, W., or Rumsfeld.

4 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:03:45am

Always with the beheading, these people.

5 Quilly Mammoth  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:04:09am

They called them "muslim men"...someone didn't get the memo.

6 rabidsquirrel  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:04:23am

In this case, I guess heads aren't going to roll...

7 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:07:03am

“It’s a very serious allegation .....Ya think?.....running around wanting to kill dozens of people....screaming for a demon.......wanting to behead a world leader..yup..Islam....who needs insanity?....Ali Sina calls Islam evil...now I am not alone!

8 Jimmy The Clam  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:07:26am

We have to respect his culture and it's rich heritage of beheading.

It's a sign of Canada's racism, intolerence and their lack of diversity that beheadings are not encouraged.

9 Beagle  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:08:22am

Amazing how these converts read the Qur'an and get the strange idea that the world is divided into the Dar-al-Harb and Dar-al-Islam. Even stranger, that striving in the way of Allah involves neverending warfare against the unbelievers. Gee, how does that happen? Even imams don't seem to understand that Islam is all about submission/slavery to Allah and world conquest peace.

10 mbruce  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:08:57am

I still think trying them in a court is wrong and bad.They are enemy combatants and are not entitled to due process,period.

11 scoreboard44  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:09:07am

This ought to even chill the spines of the most frozen Canadian.

12 wargammer2005  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:10:06am

a moonbat friend told me that the koran was 80% like the bible.

guess he doesnt feel the beheading, killing infidels, taking over the world parts are worth bothering about.

13 chubby vegan  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:10:11am

Cornholio Johnson is right.

14 Macker  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:10:19am

Darn. And I thought the Grits (Liberals) wanted to do that....

/sarc

15 Beagle  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:11:37am
008.012
YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

047.004
YUSUFALI: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.


Everyone knows that neck-smiting is just a metaphor for social justice.

/LLLunatic off

16 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:11:39am

#3 Cornholio - (love the nic)

They'll say it was because Canada has redeployed to Afghanistan. I'm surprised no one has offered this as their "defense" yet.

17 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:12:29am

Per capita, Muslims behead more than any other religion.

18 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:12:49am

Ambitious little grasshopper, isn't he?

19 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:13:16am

THIS made it past the eds at Al-Reuters?

Steven Chand, 25, was among 15 members of the alleged terrorist ring who appeared in a heavily guarded courtroom north of Toronto to set dates for bail hearings. The Muslim men, five of them under the age of 18, were arrested on Friday in Canada’s largest counterterrorism operation, and police said more arrests are possible.

I don't know what Canada's laws regarding minors are, but does the fact that 5 of the 7 are under 18 mean there's a possiblity for a lenient sentence if convicted?

20 Frank_Mtl  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:13:21am

What? This POS is only part of the broad strata of islamist beheaders!

21 chubby vegan  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:14:01am

Was thinking about going to Hell, Michigan tonight. Kitschy?

22 blutonazi98  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:14:10am

#3

this is not Canada's fault it is America's!
america has forced the canucks into supporting the war on terror(islam)
since the US is killing and torturing good muslim all over the world; Canada is a target. until the US stops supporting the evil jooos, Canada will be a target. Until the US runs away in Iraq; Canada will be a target. until the US elects liberal muslim ass-kisser's, Canada will be a target.


/i am sure once we kiss enough muslim ass they will stop exploding and head chopping

23 Drogheda  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:15:20am

Let us not forget that certain parts of the West had an affinity for beheading people who offended the sensibilities of the public and ruling classes.

Perhaps a date with Madame Guillotine could be arranged for certain troublemakers?

24 7000 romaine  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:16:30am

off with his head--obviously mr.chand was influenced by the kufr book "alice in wonderland" that he read in his dar al harb canadian school--islam-a better cure for headaches than aspirin or ibuprofin

25 Model4  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:16:50am
Chand’s lawyer, Gary Batasar, said his client faced several serious charges and was concerned that intense media interest in the details of the case in Canada and the United States could jeopardize Chand’s chances of a fair trial.

Yes, we shouldn't be allowed to know what's going on. That kind of thing hampers the jihadis' ability to persue their death cult obligations. And of course "fairness" (as demonstrated by no conviction, no matter what he's done) is our top goal.

26 Necklace of Shoes  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:16:55am

Two minutes for slashing!

/NHL

27 Blue Chip  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:17:18am
Lawyers complained their clients were being kept in isolation in jail and were barred from seeing family members or praying as a group.
"We'd like to be able to facilitate that religious freedom that they're entitled to," said Donald McLeod, attorney for accused Jahmaal James, 23.
The men and youths arrested were all Canadian citizens or Canadian residents. Seven worshiped at the same mosque and two were already in jail on weapons charges.

And to think, some people don’t want to associate this with Islam?
Allah forbid, this could give Islam a bad name.

Muslims make up some 2 percent of Canada's population of 33 million, and leaders fear the arrests will spark attacks on their community.

I'm assuming they mean the non-muslim community fears being attacked-

My public school math makes this 660,000 against 32, 340,000 making Mr. Chand and his supporters considerably outnumbered.

You might want to rethink that 'threat strategy' – you’re not in your own neighborhood and you’re not that bullet proof.

just saying...

28 whiterasta  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:18:33am

The CBC is the most pro islamic media outlet up here and what's their reward?

They get to be killed first.

I hope this has frightened some of those brain dead appeasers. But I doubt it.

29 friarstale  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:18:51am

23
just another reason we shouldn't let the French get too cozy with the Ayrabs

darn, we're too late, I think

30 Zonie  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:19:17am

So the Canadians take 17 terrorists into custody; meanwhile Indonesia lets a mastermind loose:

Indonesia to Release Militant Cleric

31 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:19:17am
“...he wanted to behead the prime minister of Canada...to take hostages and to attack Canada’s parliament in Ottawa, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. building in Toronto and power grids, according to a synopsis of charges Batasar said he saw.


It's called CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE sheeple!

/need I?

32 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:19:44am

#12 wargammer2005

a moonbat friend told me that the koran was 80% like the bible.

I'll bet that a bible is like Kryptonite to your moonbat fried, which is why they have no idea what they're talking about.

33 Americain  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:19:55am

Well since Harper is one of those yucky evil conservatives, a beheading would be fitting.

In fact, to put this diplomatically, Charles Schumer would like to help if he could.

/s

34 Eagle  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:20:29am

I still can't figure out why they wanted to attack the CBC building.

A diversionary manoeuver?

35 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:20:36am

#32

fried = friend (Dammit, even spellcheck cannot save me from myself today!)

36 neverquit  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:21:01am

did they consult with the dude at Reuters that threatened Charles?

37 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:21:02am

#19 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I thought it was odd to use the term "men" when 5 were under 18.

38 Redcoat  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:21:17am

From the linked article,

"We'd like to be able to facilitate that religious freedom that they're entitled to," said Donald McLeod, attorney for accused Jahmaal James, 23.

That's how they got there in the first place.

39 Eagle  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:22:54am

#28 whiterasta

I watched the cbc last night, after Edmonton was (well, lets not talk about that).

Seemed like they had turned over a new leaf, for about 20 minutes anyway.

40 Havoc  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:23:49am

You know, if they HAD attacked parliament and the power grids, Canada may have been forced to admit the problems and correct it's Immigration and Visa Policies and Enforcement

February 1994 + Ressam travels to Canada

Using a doctored French passport with his picture crudely glued in, the 27-year-old Ressam flew from France to Montreal. At the airport, he was stopped by immigration officials who suspected that his passport was false. Ressam requested political asylum, claiming in a sworn statement that he had been tortured in Algeria and that he was falsely accused of arms trading and other terrorist activities. Apparently without checking with Algeria, France, or Interpol, Canadian immigration agents accepted his story and released him pending a hearing on his refugee status. Canada's Immigration Minister, Elinor Caplan, later said it was not a serious offense to present a false passport to gain entry to Canada, noting that many legitimate refugees resort to doing so.

Ressam lived in Montreal for four years. He took up residence in an apartment building later identified by Canadian and international police as the Montreal headquarters of a terrorist cell connected to the Osama bin Laden network, and, more specifically, to an Algerian terrorist organization called the Armed Islamic Group, or GIA. (See the Links and Readings section for more about GIA's origins and activities.)

According to Ressam's trial testimony, during the time he lived in Montreal he worked only a week, delivering advertising leaflets. The remainder of the time, he says, he supported himself on welfare payments and by robbing tourists. Although Ressam estimates that he performed this kind of theft between 30 and 40 times during his stay in Montreal, he says he was arrested for these thefts only four times, and convicted only once. He served no jail time for that conviction, but paid a fine. Despite his arrests, he continued to draw welfare benefits of $500 per month, which he was entitled to as a potential refugee.

Ahmed Ressam, the Millenium Bomber, ... from Algeria.

41 BIG  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:23:53am

Whose this Harper guy? Isn't he governor of our 51st state?

42 friarstale  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:25:19am

12, 32

actually, more like 20% of the Bible, but repeated 4 times to get 80%

have you read the Koran?
I read most of it, and there is tons of repetition

ol' Mo talks about Moses and Noah many many different times

I think it's because of the way it was written.
they didn't write any of it down until after Mo died, then they all wrote down the passages they had memorized

I believe this was because one of the early followers wrote some things down, then questioned Mo after one of many changes of heart. The poor fool got killed for it, and after that, nobody dared question him.
From the memorized parts came a completed written "work" years after Mo's death

43 grayp  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:26:07am

Is it just me or is there an element here of a Big Swinging Dick contest among the jihadis?

And you know that old conundrum - if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, was there any sound?

If the beheading isn't videotaped and given to al ja-sneera, you still have no penis.

I'm not worried about these guys. They were dumb enough to get caught.

I'm worried about the smart ones.

44 Fast Eddie  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:26:20am

I'm sure he wasn't serious. After all, there haven't been any beheadings anywhere since King Henry VIII.

If there had been, I'm sure the MSM would have told people.

45 scott in east bay  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:26:28am

If Islam gets crazier, perhaps we need to change the law so that people who attempt terror attacks in the name of Islam fall outside the criminal justice system and into the realm of enemy combatants. Taking up arms against the government is an act of war. Act like it. I'm willing to suffer the endless humiliation of having dozens of Gitmos here and there to get these scum off the street.

46 scaramouche  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:26:59am

Wow. Chand must've been really disaffected.(Also marginalized, alienated and aggrieved.)

47 zombie  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:27:12am

Yow, by sheer accident I just stumbled on Michelle Malkin's "Hot Air" site a couple minutes ago and almost fell out of my chair: today's video is about me! Or at least about my Marc Jacobs report that Charles so kindly linked to on Sunday.

My name has been uttered by Michelle Malkin. Now I can retire without any regrets.

48 St. Pancake  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:27:31am

More on "Steven Chand".

NRI in Canada terror net?

From the Indians Abroad site.
Outside a Toronto court, where the suspects were produced on Saturday, Alwin Chand said of his brother: "He's not a terrorist, come on, he's a Canadian citizen. The people that were arrested are good people. They go to the mosque. They go to school, go to college."

The group had connections with a Pakistani American and a Bangladeshi American arrested in recent months on charges of giving material support to terrorism.

49 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:28:10am

#19 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I don't know what Canada's laws regarding minors are, but does the fact that 5 of the 7 are under 18 mean there's a possiblity for a lenient sentence if convicted?

Yes, lighter sentences is most likely, by how much I don't know. On the otherhand, the Conservative gov't is pushing legislation to make sentencing harsher. Let's hope for the best. Maybe they can share a cell with Paul Bernardo.

50 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:28:15am

As stated earlier, Islam is a complete way of life. Given this, it is not surprising that the Creator is concerned with the method which we choose to govern ourselves. The preeminent rule which the Islamic state must observe is stated in the Qur'an (translation follows):

[4:59] O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If you differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day; That is best, and most suitable for final determination.
From this verse, it is clear that the state's obligation of obedience to the Creator is as important as the obedience of the individual. Hence, the Islamic state must derive its law from the Qur'an and Sunnah. This principle excludes certain choices from the Islamic state's options for political and economic systems, such as a pure democracy, unrestricted capitalism, communism, socialism, etc. For example, a pure democracy places the people above the Qur'an and Sunnah, and this is disobedience to the Creator. However, the best alternative to a pure democracy is a democracy that implements and enforces the Shari'ah (Islamic Law).

[Link: www.usc.edu...]

51 scaramouche  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:28:43am

#34 eagle

I still can't figure out why they wanted to attack the CBC building.

A diversionary manoeuver?

LOL! Talk about blowing up the broadcaster that enables you.

52 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:29:00am

#3 Cornholio

So how is the Left going to blame this on Canadian imperialism?

The Left instantly blamed this on Canada's participation in "Bush's War".

53 whiterasta  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:29:12am

#39, Eagle:

That would have scared me to death, you know.

All that glass imploding into the building, slicing up those pretty media faces and bodies.

I wonder if those idiots finally realize just who they are playing footsie with?

Murderous sociopaths who will behead and kill for no other reason than you are an unbeliever.

That is the "root cause". The rest of the multi-cilti drivel is just that.

54 TimK  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:29:21am

What makes me worry that this is all bullshit is that the plans are all so pretentious. Even these meatheads would have thought ahead to the possibility some sort of anti-Muslim backlash in Canada.
Of course not thinking seems to be that part of Muslim culture that has kept them in the dark ages when the whole world has moved forward.

55 Fast Eddie  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:29:36am

#19 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey -- right you are. For the minors, expect a few hours community service at best.

56 Eddie Haskell  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:30:47am

#49 Kenneth

Maybe we can get Abdul Shakur a date with Karla Homolka.

57 Jiving  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:31:33am

"Members of the group are alleged to have considered plans to take hostages and to attack Canada’s parliament in Ottawa, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. building in Toronto and power grids, according to a synopsis of charges Batasar said he saw."

My observation is: this is not standard Muslim terrorism, this is an attempted coup.
They are not trying simply to kill & maim 'infidels’ as they do across the planet. Apparently they aimed attacks at the parliament, the national broadcasting organization & against the power grids. Exactly the targets you would aim for in a coup.

58 Americain  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:32:12am

zombie

I stand in awe of your accomplishments.

Cool.

59 Frank_Mtl  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:33:03am

#47 zombie
Kudos zombie! You richly deserve it for your remarkable contribution to the blogosphere in general, and to LGF in particular.

60 BIG  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:33:38am

Within two days, Canadas' version of CAIR will convince everyone that these were Mossad plants and that this was just another evil Zionist plot to discredit peaceful Muslims that were guilty of going on about their business. Nothing to see here, move along.

61 Havoc  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:34:10am

If the defense lawyers do their job to "defend" their clients, they will request that bail be set as high a possible, say, $20 million apiece,

the safest place for the "accused" now is in jail, as "unsafe" as that environment may be, at cannot compare with how "Unsafe" it would be for jihadi's, ( accused of kidnap / murder plotting against the national legislature, ) on the outside would be.

62 TOCON  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:34:42am

The CBC building in downtown Toronto is full of moonbats, but also chock full of brand-spankin' new, high tech broadcasting equipment. The compulsion to destroy such humiliating examples of Western technological superiority is simply too much for these 'men' to resist. And undoubtedly more fun even than destroying greenhouses in Gaza! Don't look for reason in the actions of the deranged.

63 whiterasta  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:35:25am

#57, Jiving:

.."My observation is: this is not standard Muslim terrorism, this is an attempted coup..."

That's a very scary observation, I had not thought of it that way.

I wonder if they thought the rest of their muslim brothers would rise up with them and kill all the unbelievers?

64 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:35:59am

Isn't every jihadi planning on beheading someone?

65 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:36:43am

Mazel Tov Zombie, LOL!

66 Model4  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:37:39am

#43 grayp:

Is it just me or is there an element here of a Big Swinging Dick contest among the jihadis?

Absolutely. See Hamas election for one of many examples. If you want to have a more loyal following amongst the Muslim masses, you've got to crank out the hate and violence. No good to be seen as a soft-on-the-Yahoodi poser when other imams and guerilla leaders are move that ready to pick up your slack.

Funny how so many of these folks went to the same mosque by the way. I mean, surely once there they'd have learned that the terrorist rhetoric they were hearing from others was all a lie, that the teachings going on in the mosque were that Islam is all about peace, love and tolerance.

67 Infidel and Proud  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:37:44am

Sigh....

And liberals still believe the muzzslime should be allowed to breath the same air as human beings.

All in the name of "multiculti."

68 maddogg  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:37:48am

Boy, it shore seems the jihadis are fond of beheading! Seems to be a passtime they are taking as their signiture.
I feel left behind! I propose come up with our own version of dismemberment, but with more style!we can begin castrating the jihadis and making them serve drinks in gay bars. After about 10 years of that, send 'em home to mama, so she can brag about how her "son" is an ass martyr for Islam.

69 Americain  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:38:11am

#64 BabbaZee

Isn't every jihadi planning on beheading someone?

No, just the moderates.

70 BIG  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:38:29am
#63 whiterasta 6/6/2006 01:35PM PDT
#57, Jiving:

.."My observation is: this is not standard Muslim terrorism, this is an attempted coup..."

That's a very scary observation, I had not thought of it that way.

I wonder if they thought the rest of their muslim brothers would rise up with them and kill all the unbelievers?

Muslim brothers? Based on the reporting I see on the CBC, they must have believed that all Canadian citizens would join them.

71 wargammer2005  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:38:41am

friarstale

i read Spencers PIG guide to islam
packed it to move and want to find it again.

it told me all i need to know about the religion of death.

72 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:39:28am

Whoa I can't believe how quickly people have jumped to conclusions in this case.
3 tons of fertilizer and busted greenhouses in Palestine only means one thing.
These youths were going "over the head of the PM", and planning on delivering some humantarian aid to the Palestinians so that they can grow their crops.
/my G_d what a headache I got just for thinking that up

73 sloop  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:39:48am

fyi/barely relevant:
I just heard Boston 96.9 fm talk-radio host Michael Graham (sp.?) plug LGF+ Charles re: the absurdist Toronto newspaper editorial of denial("nothing realy links these men together, really... please stick your head in the sand next to us!"). He is, justifiably, very pissed off!

74 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:40:23am
described plans to blow up the Canadian Parliament's buildings in Ottawa, storm the studios of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, demand the release of Muslim prisoners, and behead hostages if the government did not comply.

Blow up, storm, demand, and behead. Do they know anything else?

Oh yeah, whine and seethe. But that is what all the rest are doing in response to the arrests.

75 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:40:44am

Americain, ROTF, and taking stock of my ammo~

76 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:41:23am

If you want to understand what happened in Ontario, look what happened last week in Winnipeg: Canadian Jihadis and Islam's War Against the West.

77 David E  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:41:45am

I am offended that someone would think that Schumer would like to behead Harper, I thought he was a one shot between the eyes kinda guy.

78 Bubble Girl  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:42:44am

Did they have a Beheading Planner?

79 Blue Chip  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:42:51am

#43 /grayp

I'm not worried about these guys. They were dumb enough to get caught.

True, but some people aren’t so dumb. What scares me even more is the other groups (Muslim Council of Britan/MSM/PC Politicians/the LLL’s) that immediately come to their defense or downplay the threat.

These people know better and turn a national security issue into a racial/religious persecution issue.

80 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:43:06am

Heh.

Anyone who appeared to be Muslim or who seemed to have a connection to the terrorism case was quickly mobbed by the reporters and television crews on the scene. Most refused to respond to questions; a few complained about ethnic stereotyping by the news media.
81 Havoc  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:43:52am

#56 Eddie Haskel

You mean THIS Karla Homolka ?

PAUL BERNARDO & KARLA HOMOLKA - In-depth feature story on the notorious Canadian serial killer team known as the "Ken and Barbie of Murder and Mayhem." After a highly controversial "Deal with the Devil," the Canadian government was forced to set Karla free. The Canadian government and people are now on a "Karla Watch" to see if she will try to make a quiet life for herself or kill again. A new film exploits her role in the torture and murder of school girls.

82 scaramouche  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:45:25am

#76 Carl in Jerusalem

If you want to understand what's happening in Ontario read this clueless editorial that was in yesterday's Ottawa Citizen.

83 whiterasta  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:45:27am

#72, Just a Grunt:

.."/my G_d what a headache I got just for thinking that up.."

Dammit, man. You could get a job at the CBC for that one.

Brilliant.

84 Zardah  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:46:02am

Well, it's not like they were planning to blow up a brewery or nuttin important n'like that.. eh?

85 Bubble Girl  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:47:55am

80 Silhouette

ethnic stereotyping by the news media

"From now on the news story will be "what", "where", and "when.."

"What about "who?"

"What "who?"

"You know, "who?"

"No, "who! That's out!"

"Who's out?"

"What did I just say?"

86 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:48:31am

New York, London, Madrid, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Amman, Beirut, Kandahar, Darfur, Casablanca, Kashmir, Dahab, Mogadishu, Baghdad, Manila, Moscow, Beslan, Jakarta, Bali and others - all have tasted Islamic ordinance. Happy we won't be adding Toronto to the list just yet.

87 Americain  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:48:49am

#77 David E

I am offended that someone would think that Schumer would like to behead Harper, I thought he was a one shot between the eyes kinda guy.

Do you know how hard it is to get a gun in Canada? ;^)

88 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:48:58am

#84 Zardah

Well, it's not like they were planning to blow up a brewery or nuttin important n'like that.. eh?


I understand there would have been no disruption in the Stanley Cup er, oops my fault Canada isn't involved in that this year.
/sorry Go Carolina

89 Sir Napsalot  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:50:06am

Chand’s lawyer, Gary Batasar, said his client faced several serious charges and was concerned that intense media interest in the details of the case in Canada and the United States could jeopardize Chand’s chances of a fair trial.

Oh, great. Now we have to have the International Court in Hague involved.

90 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:50:56am

#87 Amercain

Do you know how hard it is to get a gun in Canada?


Not that hard all you do is walk across the border up around Montana into Alberta. Ain't nothing there to stop ya.

91 sloop  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:51:07am

#78 Bubble girl

heeheehee! excellent.

92 Judith  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:52:27am
(well, lets not talk about that). [THAT Hurricane versus Oilers game.

WAAAHHH!

Actually I am more upset about that game than I am about the thought of the CBC getting blown up.

Do you think the folks from Air Farce will do a chicken cannon skit on the jihadis?

93 David E  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:52:35am

I had a friend who knew not to take his gun into Canada, he forgot to take the bullets out of the glovebox. He had to put up with over 3 hours of "Where'e the gun, eh?"

94 neocon hippie  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:53:11am

The guy wanted to behead the prime minister because he is a Conservative. IF Canada had acted properly and returned the Liberal PM to office, the [bigoted word]s would have had no need to attack Canada's institutions and infrastructure.

/sarc

95 sloop  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:54:33am

#86 Eric Cartman's Conscience

GSP up in yer' grille.

96 zombie  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:56:19am
#58 Americain
I stand in awe of your accomplishments.

It's not my accomplishments. I just got lucky! All I "accomplished" was snapping a picture of a storefront. It was Charles and Michelle that broadcast the outrage to the world.

I am but a small cog in the VAST RIGHT-WING ZIONIST DEATH MACHINE!

97 locutus  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 11:57:19am
"There's an allegation apparently that my client personally indicated that he wanted to behead the prime minister of Canada," attorney Gary Batasar said. "It's a very serious allegation. My client has said nothing about that."

Batasar spoke outside the courthouse, where bail hearings for 10 of the 17 suspects were postponed.

He said the charges were based on fear-mongering by government officials.

"It appears to me that whether you're in Ottawa or Toronto or Crawford, Texas, or Washington, D.C., what is wanting to be instilled in the public is fear," he said.

Hm, I guess that's why we call it TERRORism.

98 scaramouche  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:04:29pm

Andrew McCarthy: The elephant in the room

99 Americain  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:05:02pm

#90 Just_A_Grunt

Not that hard all you do is walk across the border up around Montana into Alberta. Ain't nothing there to stop ya.

Schumer wouldn't intentionally walk across the border illegally (unless he was going there to do work that Canadians just won't do), and I don't think he would go anywhere without his limo. LOL.

100 Cornholio  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:05:47pm

#16 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They'll say it was because Canada has redeployed to Afghanistan. I'm surprised no one has offered this as their "defense" yet.

Or perhaps they'll blame it on beer! The nation that brought us these guys [Link: www.cepheid.org...]
is clearly un-Islamic.

101 Van Impe  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:12:18pm

#34

I still can't figure out why they wanted to attack the CBC building.

Perhaps because they realize that its full of the worst sort of kaffirs: liberals, atheists, feminists, gays etc... While all of these groups consider themselves to be allies of the Islamists, the feeling is not reciprocated. Instead these liberal sympathizers will be the first to face the chopping block, just like the lefties in Eastern Europe who in the dying days of WWII embraced the Red Army only to be sent to Sibera by their Russian comrades.

102 David E  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:12:37pm

Let's all tell the Canadians that Islamists want to take away their beer, which is true. That ought to get them up in arms.

103 IowaInfidel  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:15:27pm

Did they ever find the common denominator that ties all these suspects together? Anything at all?

Hmmm, what a mystery...


/you know what goes here

104 Beagle  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:16:44pm

#101 Van Impe

Instead these liberal sympathizers will be the first to face the chopping block


Ask the Iranian Communists who helped the Ayatollah overthrow the Shah.

Oh, sorry, they're all dead. Ask someone else.

105 jamgarr  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:17:19pm

#13 chubby

Gabby Johnson: "The terrorists are Muslim !"

Mayor: "He says the terrorists wear muslin."

Gabby: "No, consarn it! The terrorists are Muslim!"

106 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:20:45pm

Puke alert! Ze Beast chimes in; read at your own risk.

This Canadian blog really tells her off.

107 John B  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:21:07pm

#'s 19 & 49

Here is a summary on the new "Youth Criminal Justice Act" which replaces the "Young Offenders Act" of 1984.

It appears those under 18 will be tried as young offenders however, a judge does have the authority to impose an adult sentence in a severe case.

I agree with several posters above, being sentenced to serve jail time with Karla Homolka would be scary as hell.

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

108 snagler  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:27:17pm

#23

Let us not forget that certain parts of the West had an affinity for beheading people who offended the sensibilities of the public and ruling classes.

Perhaps a date with Madame Guillotine could be arranged for certain troublemakers?

that was for very different reasons....it was the most effective, and yes, humane, way to execute back in the oldy days.....

109 John B  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:28:44pm

98 Scaramouche:

Re: "The Elephant in the Room"

Better yet - remember Ross Perot and his comment about the crazy aunt in the basement that no one wants to talk about. That was about the debt but it would make a good title for this issue.

110 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 12:39:32pm

# 82 scaramouche

Could have appeared in the New York Times or HaAretz. Nothing more than delusional LLL's.

And wasn't it W who first referred to Islam as a 'religion of peace.' Bet he regrets that comment now.

111 mich-again  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 1:03:40pm

Now that the threats of beheading are rolling around, anyone care to guess how much longer until the Canadians issues a full fledged gag-order on all Jihadi-17 court proceedings? Too much bad press for the ROPers

112 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 1:19:02pm

Son-of-a-bitch.

What did they do to Guy Fawks?

Anybody know?

Maybe these guys should get the same.

113 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 1:39:51pm

#82 Scaramouche

Oy, Canada! When the RCMP become PC....

Before the raids came the sensitivity training: Tactical-squad Mounties learned how to properly handle Korans prior to arresting 17 terrorism suspects on the weekend.

And that's not all. The RCMP also made sure there were clean prayer mats on hand for their suspects when they were sent to jail cells.

Then, after everything wrapped up, authorities met with a number of Muslim leaders to impress upon them that officers were going after specific individuals, not the community as a whole.

I imagine that their meals are halal..no back bacon?

(see whole article)

Any noticeable presence near all the Schuls, of protection?

114 SnowDawg  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 1:59:38pm

I have a joke for y’all

islam is a religion of peace


HAHAHHHAHAHA

*-@)):~{>

115 KevinV  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 2:36:12pm

So, basically, what it boils down to is that he is a Liberal.

116 funkyfantom  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 3:37:48pm

Today's Time magazine, which devoted half the issue to Haditha, gave 50 words to the Toronto terrorism story, next to a picture of an ice-cream cone.

There was no mention of Muslims, or the mosque
that they attended, or the Muslim-sounding names of the suspects.

To say Time is trying to downplay the story would be about the grossest understatement I could imagine.

Time magazine is truly a treasonous enemy of America.

117 dhimmishelter  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 3:51:53pm

This is proof that appeasement works. In my visits to Canada I have seen the sobering war memorials to Canadian soldiers that died defending western civilization in two world wars, and other conflicts where freedom was under attack. This once proud nation has lately become a paragon of multi-culti pacifism and Euro-style genuflecting before the altar of appeasement and peace at any cost. The notion that the islamo-nazis can be appeased is widepsread in Canada (at least in the large cities in the eastern provinces), and this perceived weakness is what invites teror attack by these opportunistic cowards.

The islam-beasts that seek to attack commuters and office workers and assasinate elected leaders and their apologists argue that muslims subscribing to mass murder of infidels are unfairly targetted for what they believe and who they are, not for what they do. It seems that they target appeasing Canada for the same reasons. And attempt to commit atrocities to prove it.

In our war against the Barbary Coast pirates, I believe that John Adams wanred Jefferson that if we choose to defend ourselves against the followers of the prophet, we must choose to fight them forever. How prescient.

Canada and other nations will be under attack from these beasts as long as sharia law is not the law of the land. Very simple.

118 SuperdaveTWC  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 3:55:05pm

They put something in the loonys' beer, eh. It makes them do stuff when you play music.

/Bob and Doug defense

119 Grumpy Tory Student  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 4:23:31pm

#34 -

First I've heard of it. Probably a protest against goddamned CanCon.

120 mattm  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 4:46:44pm

Just peaceful Muslims looking to become involved in wester culture.

/CAIR off

121 cba  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 5:02:23pm

In my household we found it exceedingly amusing that the Ceeb was high on the hit list.

Especially since a couple of days ago my husband said, after listening to the weasly CBC Radio reports, "Wouldn't it be ironic if the CBC got hit by terrorists?"

Coincidentally (or not), the same news bulletin included lots of Muslims talking about having to root out the extremists in their midst. Up until now it's been 90% "Muslims feeling threatened and victimized" and I've only ever heard the Ceeb say "Wahhabi" on an in-depth analysis program, never a plain broadcast.

Who knows? Maybe a few of them have been shaken out of their dhimmi mindset.

122 cba  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 5:18:01pm

#76 Carl in Jerusalem:
I was at the Obsession screening last week in Winnipeg. If you're interested, I wrote about it here.

I don't get the Winnipeg Sun, but the Winnipeg Free Press has been excellent on the topic. Their editorial from May 31 was most anti-idiotarian.

123 wanumba  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 5:38:43pm

#57 jiving

Members of the group are alleged to have considered plans to take hostages and to attack Canada’s parliament in Ottawa, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. building in Toronto and power grids, according to a synopsis of charges Batasar said he saw."

My observation is: this is not standard Muslim terrorism, this is an attempted coup.
They are not trying simply to kill & maim 'infidels’ as they do across the planet. Apparently they aimed attacks at the parliament, the national broadcasting organization & against the power grids. Exactly the targets you would aim for in a coup.

Coup d'etat = strike at the head

This is a good point, really. Third World coups always include the TV or radio stations to control the airways, along with the presidential palaces and other points of control.

124 Trumanite  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 5:59:09pm


#122 cba 6/6/2006 07:18PM PDT
#76 Carl in Jerusalem:
I was at the Obsession screening last week in Winnipeg. If you're interested, I wrote about it here.

Seems Kashif Ahmed, communications director of Regina Muslims for Peace and Justice gave it "no snaps"

125 cba  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 6:06:30pm

Trumanite, the local hard left have fallen in line, but there are an awful lot of people who are getting fed up with the "if you point out out Islamist hateful behaviour you're indulging in anti-Muslim hate propaganda" crowd. As I say, the Free Press has been excellent, and there have been some very good letters too (as well as some pathetic ones).

126 Trumanite  Tue, Jun 6, 2006 7:01:07pm

125 cba 6/6/2006 08:06PM PDT

After reading that review in the Regina paper, and following that thread (trying to find out who the Muslims for Peace and Justice are), I saw link to a Muslims for Peace and Justice at McMaster University. Then, just a few minutes ago, I read this eye-popping stuff about McMaster University at Jihad Watch.

I had never heard anything about McMaster before this. Is it common knowledge?


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