Our friends, the Saudis.

1st!

Wow...maybe Canada needs to take the Saudis process of Bible shredding and apply it to their Korans. Turnabout is fair play!

A mythical moderate muslm?

Yep, it's not like a Holy War or anything...must really be a sectarian text they were reading.

Nothing like the guy who knows ratting you out...

Is it true that Sufism rejects Jihad?

What is it about 500lb bombs these fools don't understand?

This brave Sufi is unfortunately a heretic from an Orthodox Islamic pov so I don't know how serious he will be taken? Sufis have been horribly persecuted down through the ages by the Sunnis...

In reality, Sufis owe just as much to non islamic teachings as they do to islamic ones...it is no wonder they are considered apostates by mainstream Islam...

Regardless, I hope this guy has security!

I bet people would be utterly STUNNED at some of the things uttered in US-based mosques these days. We really need more people who are willing to take cameras and audio recording devices into these places to expose the truth about what's going on in there.

Now, now.

Islam is the RoP.
Saudi Arabia is our friends.
take your pills.
go back to sleep.

sleep.

Oh, look the world cup.

sleep

Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”
Qur’an:4:95 “Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”
Bukhari:V4B52N44 “A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, ‘Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.’ He replied, ‘I do not find such a deed.’”
Bukhari:V1B2N25 “Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah's Cause.’”

How is this possible? I thought they were members of the U.N. Human Rights Council. Jihad...never.

If the Canadians ever grow a pair, Saudi jihadi activity would constitute an act of war...Go Canada.

#1 GJ - Took the words outta my mouth.

Not so OT - Learn the Truth about Islam - if only Canada could be flooded with THIS

"They would enter into the mosque to pray, and they would pray in a very aggressive manner, and they would come in military fatigues and military touques and stuff. It looked to me that they were watching a lot of those Chechnyan jihad videos online and stuff."

And all the "responsible" "moderate" "adult" Muslims stood around with their fists in their ass watching this "transformation" and did nothing

Terrorism Simply A Myth-by Moonbat Extraordinaire Gwynn Dyer

[Link: www.straight.com...]

My linkys aren't working :(

It's good to see folks speaking out about this, but the problem is that those jihadis and Wahabists would consider Canadian Sufi Muslim teacher Sayyid Ahmed Amiruddin apostate and subject to execution for his crime.

Im always hopefull when a muslim will stand up and call out those that are causing the real damage to islam. Those people are few and far between but ill take'em when i can get em. Muslims who see what going on but are afraid to speak up need to understand that jihad will prevail because good muslims did nothing.

There are taqiyyalopes known to me personally who called themselves Sufis as cover, but this guy seems real.
Also FYI, disclimer...
Many Sufis may indeed reject Jihad
but they do not reject setting themselves up as gods to their "students", in a very cult like atmopshere of devotion.
As it is in all so-called organized religious endeavor, the devil takes up residence, early and often.
But where was this guy BEFORE the event?

President Bush is using the term 'Islamo-fascism' more and more often, he used it again just now.

It's important that he calls this enemy by it's real name.

Ugh...

I am sick of all these names: Mohammed, Khalid, Mahboob, Amiruddin, Al-Rahman, Imam, Al-Rueters, Al-Zarkowacky, Al-Hussein, Al-Mohammed, Al-Whostolemydinnerjacket, Al-Kareemskyhook, Al-Alahwherearemyvirgins and finally Al-Gore.

Sick I tells you, sick!

#3 nuke gingrich 6/9/2006 08:03AM PDT

A mythical moderate muslm?

I don't know about that. From what (admittedly little) I know, this is an accurate statement for some Sufis:

Sufism, a traditional brand of Islam that rejects the ideology of jihad.

Now, there are Sufis who embrace jihad -- for example I believe Sufis are in the forefront of the Chechnyen (sp?) jihad. However, there are sects of Sufi that really do follow the "inner jihad" paradigm.

Of course, this is one reason why Sunnis and Shiites oppress Sufi's, who are a distinct minority. But yes, there are Muslims who reject jihad, and they aren't a complete fringe. We just don't hear from them too often, probably because they are afraid of the pro-jihad Muslims...

We must understand the terrible trauma of the muslims: some of them want to invade the West (and the whole world) while at the same time killing us, while others want to invade the west (and the whole world) FIRST and kill the infidels LATER.

It's excruciating: debate after debate, prayer after prayer...what to think ? what to do ?

Sufism today and killing tomorrow or wahabism and beheading today ?

These are the great questions that islam has brought to the attention of every sensitive and concerned ilsamofascist in the world.

What a culture !

Jonah Goldberg opines in NROnline today;

The Price of Nice
Canada learns

Canada is arguably the most deluded industrialized nation in the world. Because elite Canadians think the U.S. is the font of the world’s problems, they think being different than the U.S. and sucking up to the United Nations will buy them grace on the cheap. They claim to be “a nation of peacekeepers,” but they rank 50th among U.N. peacekeeper nations in the number of troops sent. They’ve bravely contributed to the war in Afghanistan, where 2,300 troops still serve, but refused to join the effort in Iraq, believing that jihadists would honor such fine distinctions. That was awfully nice of them. Too bad nice has nothing to do with it.

The presence of a profoundly evil, homegrown terror cell in Canada has understandably provoked a lot of soul-searching to our north. As one Canadian editorial put it: “We are Canada, peacekeepers to the world, everybody’s nice guy. Who would want to harm us, and why?” Or as Audrey Macklin, a University of Toronto law professor, confessed to the Los Angels Times, Canadians “picture themselves as being thought of as nicer than the United States.” Why on earth would terrorists want to hurt a “nice” country? Well, for starters, nice isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. The frog who carried the scorpion on his back in Aesop’s fable was nice. It didn’t make the scorpion’s sting any less poisonous.

“They would enter into the mosque to pray, and they would pray in a very aggressive manner, and they would come in military fatigues and military touques and stuff.

On the fifth day of jihad, my imam gave to me:

Five military touques!
Four pounds of TNT
Three French bombs
Two explosive vests
And a free Saudi koran.

Here is where I think criticism of President Bush is not only well-founded, but necessary. Until we take the Saudi financiers of jihad seriously, we are not taking the War seriously.

OT: When do WE get our own Las Vegas convention, Charles? It would be sooo much fun!

According to the Globe and Mail (via Hotair.com), Canadian jihadis used statues of Hindu gods for target practice.

Going OT here. Maj. Gen. Caldwell is quoted as saying Zarq had "mumbled" some last words.

I felt inspired:
(Apologies to Flying Machine)

Oh, c'mon mumble a little something to me, Zarqawi
What's the use in cryin'?
In a little while you'll see, Zarqawi
In Hell, you'll be fryin'
I know that you're feelin' sad
Hey, shitbag, too fuckin' bad and
Mumble a little something to me, Zarqawi, Zarqawi
[Brief Instrumental Interlude]

Fatwa coming in 10...9...8...7...6...

#21 AI

Hmm, maybe more of Sufi is pro-jihad than I thought...

Will this make you happy on judgement day?

I wish that when a Saudi spokesman is being interviewed on TV, and spouts off how they're really our good friends and allies in the war on terrorism, that SOMEONE would pull out a stack of evidence to the contrary and stuff it in his face. They seem to enjoy saying one thing and doing everything the exact opposite. It's almost like a game with them. They must think we're all fools or something.

OT

zark was alive after bombing...

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

#25 Terp Mole

Jonah Goldberg rocks.

Don't get too down on "moderate" Muslims who watch this and do nothing. Do not underestimate the terror of a Mafia-like structure such as the Muslim Brotherhood that operates inside these people's neighborhoods running brute protection rackets to raise money and intimidate people. Look at what happened to the Christian family in New Jersey last year, slaughtered in their own home in supposedly safe America. A mild-mannered guy making a living as a dentist is not Soldier of Fortune material and if the local police seem incapable because of political pressure to provide rapid and effective policing of these threats. A typical family man like that is not going to risk literally sticking his head out, much less the necks of his wife and kids - unless he is assured he will have the full protection of the police and criminal justice system.
Wahhabists preach a very aggressive message and they bully their way in.
Remember Italy - how they finally cracked the Mafia stranglehold? The courts got tough, the police made arrests that stuck, guys who were considered untouchable found themselves in prison ... and once that happened, people started talking, big time.

What's a moderate Muslim supposed to think when an entire ring of agressive Muslim men who were plotting an act of war are rounded up and the Canadian press announces they can't figure out what the common thread is? They will deduce that the government is incapable of recognizing, and therefore protecting anyone against the threat and will...say...nothing.

Where Saudi money goes, Jiahd and terrorism follow.

The Saudis love Canada because the heard you only get two minutes for slashing!

/NHL

Murqtaad

zark was alive after bombing...

Is it wrong that I find that deliciously satisfying?

Did you get to see Dreamy Damon last night?

#5 amir

Is it true that Sufism rejects Jihad?

Categorcially, no, according to Andrew Bostom.

See his piece in The American Thinker (article number 4495).

Going OT here. Maj. Gen. Caldwell is quoted as saying Zarq had "mumbled" some last words.

Infidel! You're kneeling on my chessst...

ALERT - Zarqawi did NOT survive the airstrike. He's dead - the airstrike is the cause. I guess he lingered for awhile.

It seems to me what we have here is the sighting of that rarest of species, the moderate Muslim.

Wow, and in Canada, yet. His native habitat.

Hey MoonbatBane,

Are you getting the LGFOhio BBQ mailers? Are you gonna make it? We've got more out-of-staters coming than locals.

Check that. Canada is the native habitat of Jihadis, not moderate Muslims.

What was I thinking?

#33 MoonbatBane
I was Fatwa-ed out of a Paris Mosque in 2003 or 2004 (not sure, would have to make a phone call on it ) via a so-callled Sufi who was /is deeply embedded in Jihad... In my personal experience dealing with this Sufi matter I did encounter ONE Sufi who was absolutely, IMO, not jihadist.
But he WAS a cultist, and a nihilist, and a fool.
There is MUCH DECEPTION in Sufism, that I can tell you. Deception is an art-form to them.
Anyway, I can not post a link to my personal experiences, and I can not state them publicly in this forum.
But you can take my word for it, there are some seriously jihad-immersed "Sufis" out there.

Geepers

Are you getting the LGFOhio BBQ mailers? Are you gonna make it? We've got more out-of-staters coming than locals.

IIRC, you make some secret BBQ sauce that brings people to their knees...Oh, how I wish my POS could make the trip to Ohio!

#28 kevinV:

When do WE get our own Las Vegas convention, Charles? It would be sooo much fun!

I agree, as long as it's not at the Riviera, where the Kos Kiddies are currently ensconced. That place is a dump, and needs to be demolished.

...Oh, how I wish my POS could make the trip to Ohio!

That's no way to talk about him...

And by the way, this isn’t only happening in Canada. The Saudis are also spreading their poisonous hatred in the United States.

Damned shame that the Canuks have the stones to speak out against it... Hear the 'moderate muslim' rail against jihad.

Effing PC wonks on THIS side of the border don't even want to believe in jihad as a concept.

Asshats.

KevinV (#28),

Hey, just come to the the LGFOhio BBQ.

A couple more people send in their RSVPs and we'll have more people than they do. And definitely way more fun. Are 7.62 x 39's and crossbows on their agenda? :-)

Nothing quite beats having your finger on the trigger when a high value target comes into view... and you're sitting in an air conditioned office 8,000 miles away.

loppyd (#51),

IIRC, you make some secret BBQ sauce that brings people to their knees...

True, but not me, got milk? and MeanMrMustard are the grill chefs.

Oh, how I wish my POS could make the trip to Ohio!

Me too.

The Ohio BBQ sounds like its gonna be a blast, when is it?

Can't make it to the Ohio BBQ, but since Flag Day is next week, the local Marines will be having a lovely Flag Retirement ceremony tomorrow to which I will take the family.

Followed by Free BBQ.

Flags, patriotism, history, respect, Marine dress blues, and free cooked pig. I love this country.

And now to get the day started right;

Israeli airstrike kills three

An Israeli airstrike targeted a group of Palestinians after they tried to fire home-made rockets into Israel, killing three militants, hospital officials said.

An Israeli missile struck a car carrying the militants as they sped away from the launch site in northern Gaza.

PK

That's no way to talk about him...

POS could mean piece of sweetnees...

Islam is spreading like a virus in Mexico and other countries south of the border AND now north of the border and in U.S. prisons AND President Bush wants an American-style E.U. uniting Canada/US/Mexico into the North American Union by 2010 --- guess that means government mandated sharia for all three by what, 2015?

Now there's a depressing thought.

Can we "get medieval" yet and wipe Islam off the world map?

#52

I vote for Caesar's Palace...

Self Loathing and the Denial of Terrorism-James Lileks

[Link: www.newhousenews.com...]

The Globe & Mail print edition (but strangely not in the online edition) had an article about the "new phenomenon" of beheading, made popular by Zarqawi. The reporter quoted a Univerity of Tornto Professor of Isalmic Law saying he had studied "Islamic law for over a decade and couln't find any references to beheading".

After I picked my jaw up from my bowl of Cheerios, I resolved to write a letter to the Globe to enlighten the dear professor he might try the Koran,

"[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

Does anyone here have a few more good Islamic endorsements of beheading?

58 Geepers

True, but not me, got milk? and MeanMrMustard are the grill chefs.

I stay away from the grill until it's time to get samples from the chefs...they scare me.

I'd love to come next year!

I think the answer is for the consulate to stop issuance of student visas to Saudis until such time as this is really cleaned up.

POS could mean piece of sweetnees...

Heh. I'm sure it does.

All of this evil started in Arabia so it's no wonder is continues to spill out from there.I think Mecca should be target #1 in the comming WW III.

The Suburban Crusader

#22 surfer dude

Don't forget Al Bundy Bundhi. Good barrels to ya!

You oughta see the monstrous mosque the Saudis built overlooking Spain's Alhambra palace--Islam's last fortress in 1492--to launch the Reconquista?

#50 BZ

But he WAS a cultist, and a nihilist, and a fool.

How could I say this, let's see...

a muslim !

Well here's a good one,

"[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

Hey Black George Bush.

For you and any others who want to have a blast:

Mid-West Lizardoid Minions Unite.

Don't Miss:

The 2006 LGFOhio BBQ Extravaganza!

June 23,24,25.

35 cheesehead
It's almost like a game with them. They must think we're all fools or something.

Got it in one - it *is* a game, and they get to make up the rules, and they won't let us not play...

P-L

Uh-huh!

Somehow I can't quite picture Babbazee being 'escorted' out of anywhere...

Loppy, Huh? where was I escorted? I confuse!

I think we've finally hit a upon a good use for the Jehovah's Witnesse's publication.

Perhaps these mosques can be flooded with 'The Watchtower' instead of korans.

um...
Isn't it somewhat Idolatrous to name one's country after oneself?

1. Saudi Arabia is the only country named after its ruling family. It is got its name from the ruling Al Sa'ud family, who came to power in the 18th century.

[Link: worldcup.uk.msn.com...]

#63 Nagasaki_Hata

Can we "get medieval" yet and wipe Islam off the world map?

Are you insane ?
Do you really want to be on the LGF blacklist with me and AI ?

You MUST be more nuanced, something like:

Can we uphold the Constitution while interrogating a monster who has set a nuke under the ass of our children ? Yes, we must.

Or even:

Can we read the deep structure of the koran and notice that it implies the main tenets of the Federalist Papers ? Yes we can !

/yes, we could but we don't do it...

Maines Micahel..
you just reminded me
I owe someone a JW debunking mail -
now... who was it...?
Damn it sucks getting old, LOL

#74 Kenneth

Re Qur'anic justifiction for Islamist beheadings (using Pickthall):

Surahs:

3:180

8:12

9:123

38:34

47:4

Likely more?

68 " think the answer is for the consulate to stop issuance of student visas to Saudis until such time as this is really cleaned up."

Didn't you get the memo on that? Our State Department is trying to increase the number of Saudi "students" in the US:

[Link: www.saudi-us-relations.org...]

Interresting. Sufis are, of course, the little viewed 'moderate' Muslim. It is much more spiritualy based than the traditional cult version. It requires actual thinking, kind of like Yoga versus Hinduism.

Is it asking too much for the authorities to follow up? And let them not sent in Police Chief Toronto Tom who needs an 'intricate graph" to find his butt.

83 Poitiers-Lepanto

I don't think anyone has argued about "wiping Islam off the map". It's when you want to wipe out all muslims that people have a problem. Understandably.

#78 American Infidel

Thanks, I knew you had the good stuff!

#85 Earl

Thank you too.

I have to get wait till I get home & get the print edition too, but that column must be answered. A professor of Islamic law saying he hasn't found any references to beheading in the history of Islamic law is surely a practicing takkiya.

Babba

My bad - not wearing my glasses today. Not escorted (although I still can't picture that!), Fatwa-ed.

I was Fatwa-ed out of a Paris Mosque

#89 American Infidel

Thank yet again. You are a fount of knowledge.

#38 wanumba : A very accurate analogy.

#48 Geepers

We've got more out-of-staters coming than locals.

If you could stand one more, I'd love to have the info... ((-'pb

#38 wanumba 6/9/2006 08:27AM PDT
Don't get too down on "moderate" Muslims who watch this and do nothing. Do not underestimate the terror of a Mafia-like structure such as the Muslim Brotherhood that operates inside these people's neighborhoods running brute protection rackets to raise money and intimidate people.

Well, that's a good point about the intimidation and the "mafia" structure. It should be emphasized a lot more. And you know who should be emphasizing it? Muslims.

Yes, that can carry some risk, but they get the same protection that any other citizen does who reports criminal behavior. And, the rest of society does not "owe" it to the Muslim community to make it safer to out the criminals in their midst than it would be for Presbyterians or Mormons.

If these "men" who are "leaders" of their community can not stand up to a little crew of suburban teenagers, then what does that say about their willingness to address the other problems you mention.

The message the Muslim community in Canada (and everywhere else) needs to hear is this: either you clean up this shit, or we're going to do it. And if we do it, you aren't gonna like it.

Loppy, LOL!
Yea, big difference between that, and being booted by the bouncer out of Mutha's Pub, LOLOLOLOLOLOL

#95 Trumanite
Muslims wont do it.
Apostate Muslims
and Christian Arabs will do it.
But they are a small group.

Brigette Gabriel
Ali Sina
Walid Shoebat
etc
etc
etc

Brigette Gabriel's video, for all who never watched it:

[Link: www.phyllis-chesler.com...]

Pete(Detroit) (#94),

Sure, plenty of room, expecting about thirty right now. Click my nic.

#65 WriterMom
Self Loathing and the Denial of Terrorism-James Lileks

LOVE Lileks. My Favorite Columnist, ever!

Babba
Nobody rats on big Mo...

About the arrests in Canada:

The Canadian Islamic Congress blamed the Canadian government for not showering enough money on the problem. They wanted more funding for research “to scientifically diagnose problems and devise solutions.” They also wanted a nation-wide “Smart Integration program,” whatever that means. Given the fact that Muslims in Canada had quite recently been pushing for the partial implementation of sharia laws in the country, one would suspect that “smart integration” would mean that non-Muslims should demonstrate a little more appeasement. After all, if Canadian authorities listen to the advice of their compatriot Naomi Klein, these planned mass-killings of Canadian civilians were all due to Canadian racism and because the country wasn’t Multicultural enough. Muslims want to kill Canadians, Canadians smile back, tell them how much they “respect” them and ask what more they can do to please them.

This is what Political Correctness leads to. It’s not funny and it’s not a joke. Political Correctness kills. It has already killed thousands of Western civilians, and if left unchecked it may soon kill entire nations or, in the case of Europe, entire continents.

Political Correctness is Marxism with a nose job. It is cultural AIDS, eating away at our immune system until it is too weak to resist Islamic infiltration attempts. It must be destroyed, before it destroys us all.

The gay looking old fart in the last thread said so.

Political Correctness is Marxism with a nose job. It is cultural AIDS, eating away at our immune system until it is too weak to resist Islamic infiltration attempts. It must be destroyed, before it destroys us all.

Amen Fjordman.
It is actually Gramscian Marxism
with a boob job, LOL...
Secular Socialism is the Ummah's whore.

45 jamgarr

ALERT - Zarqawi did NOT survive the airstrike. He's dead - the airstrike is the cause. I guess he lingered for awhile.

'E's not dead; 'e's pining for the fjords.

/Monty Python

#88 M

I don't think anyone has argued about "wiping Islam off the map". It's when you want to wipe out all muslims that people have a problem. Understandably.

I understand what you mean, now please read this little sentence and ponder it to see if it can be considered rational:

when I fight in a street I DO NOT think to my opponents "when they were babies and sweet and a promise of light to the world", because if I think that they will see it in my eyes and will beat me to a jam.

War is not only what we do, it's even an attitude.

Babba

Maybe the Fatwa was issued because you were wearing your "I'm the Jew your Imam warned you about" t-shirt? Just a thought...

Pining for Fjords?
He's dead, he's expired, gone, an ex militant.

#82
oh, wait, that's me

I think Saudi Arabia should be renamed "Allahland"

or, in the Fench, "L'Allahland"

#90 Kenneth

Ce ne'est rien!

I'll get an email along to that UofT "law prof", who appears to have limited knowledge of the course matter from which he's pulling down a comfy, tenured six-figure salary (either that, or he's spewing taqiyyah and kitman. We'll have to see). I'll direct him to the Bostom and other pieces.

#88 m
I wonder if people are assuming that some posters (myself included) fervent belief that ISLAM must be entirely eradicated
is equivalent to a belief that every muslim human being must be eradicated.
These two thoughts are not related
or synonomous.

Thanks to those who avswered my question.

Bush created terroism. Before him there was no Radical Islam. He did it to take over the wrorld and get oil.

/moonbat off

#111 BabbaZee

I've never taken your posts that way. But I have taken the ones that stated it very specifically that way.

C: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That parrot is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk.

O: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for the fjords.

C: PININ' for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home?

O: The Norwegian Blue prefers kippin' on it's back! Remarkable bird, id'nit, squire? Lovely plumage!

C: Look, I took the liberty of examining that parrot when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the first place was that it had been NAILED there.

(pause)

O: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that bird down, it would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent 'em apart with its beak, and VOOM! Feeweeweewee!

C: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this bird wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!

O: No no! 'E's pining!

C: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!

'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies!
'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig!
'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!

THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!

(pause)

81 Maine's Michael
Perhaps these mosques can be flooded with 'The Watchtower' instead of korans.

MM, that is just evil and wrong - I LOVE it! ((-'pb

#102 Fjordman

Anything that vicious Jew-hater Mo el-Masry, who created the CIC, has to say should be ignored in toto. He's trying to leverage jizyah out of the Canadian government, to advance his islamist agenda. He's a real piece of work- I can't imagine what a Jewish UofW engineering student must feel being in one of his classes.

#107 loppyd:

Maybe the Fatwa was issued because you were wearing your "I'm the Jew your Imam warned you about" t-shirt? Just a thought...

I'm not Jewish, but I would love one of those t-shirts!

97 BabbaZee 6/9/2006 09:12AM PDT
Brigette Gabriel

Thanks for the link. The wmv file is now in my library.

Loppy
LOL~
The Fatwa was issued because this taqiyyalope requested it, because I thwarted his plans and ruined his year, and blew his cover.
But in reality I would say the only true reason was because they Fear the God of Israel, and they fear those who know how to speak His Word to their faces in total fearlessness.
Insant fatwa!
Fatwatine.

#119 Trumanite
Awesome woman. Her site:
[Link: www.americancongressfortruth.com...]

#114 m
Oh I didn't mean you, I am pretty certain that you understand me.

#5 amir
"Is it true that Sufism rejects Jihad?"

In his book Hatred's Kingdom, Dore Gold writes (p 24):

"Sir Hamilston Gibb, the great British expert on Islam, observed that "in the historic Community the conept of jihad had gradually weakened and at length been largely reinterpreted in terms of Sufi ethics." Another analyst noted, "Jihad peterd out." With the stagnation of Islamic expansionsionism, the concept of jihad became internalized as a moral or spiritual struggle. Thus, unsurprisingly, fundamentalist groups in the 1990s, like Egyptian Islamic Jihad, called jihad "the neglected duty." The fundamentalists were clearly nostalgic for the militant jihad of the seventh century."

After giving some idea of the path of the concept of jihad, he explains how the Wahhabis revived it.

"Wahhbi writings, however, elevated jihad to a central obligation of Islam by attributing to the Prophet Muhammad such sayings as: "Jihad is the ultimate manifestation of Islam, as the Messenger said... It is a furnace in which Muslims are melted out and which allows the separation of the bad [Muslim] from the good one. It is also a pass to the Eden [Paradise] and the Eden is in the shade of swords." This jihad is, again,nothing less than an "armed struggle," rather than an inner struggle of the soul."

spelling, oops in #123, that's Sir Hamilton Gibb

Babba
I don't know about m, what kind of m is she anyway?
An AM? A PM? An XM? Is she employed or embarassed to admit she's jobless.

Loppy,
No, he never saw me in any of my famous infidel shirts...I dont think I needed it, LOL
He recognized me immediately, must be the eyes.

#38 wanumba 6/9/2006 08:27AM PDT

If the point in #95 above needs further illustration, please see current top post:

Canadian Authorities "Savvy"?Authorities confronted ‘wall of silence’.

M

further theme:

the muslims say to (all of) us:
convert or die

the answer can only be
desist or die

And the hope is that they do desist.
Or do you prefer to die yourself to defend their right to start the whole shenanigan ?
They started it.

They must stop or we will not stop.
We must convey this message to their sleepy heads.

Everything that doesn't convey this message WILL indeed cause an horrible massacre.
This is the point that causes so many problems in our debates, this last point.

Is it bad ? It is.
Did we start it ? We didn't.
Must they fear us ? They must.
Or they will not desist.

aagagagagagagagah
~ Popeye laff for PK

It is NOT just Wahhabism

[Link: www.jcpa.org...]

#124 AI

Thx., you alerted me to this earlier, and I've filed it. But, is it available in English translation?

In the meantime, Lizards, don't forget to buy the Umdat al-Salik, the Shafi'i Sunni shari'ah:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

#131 BabbaZee
The Wahhabis have used the Saudi oil money to spread their concepts all over the world.
Khomeini also was big on jihad.
It's common today.

I'd call it hyperjihadism today. There is a rabid obsession with jihad and also the traditional rules of jihad have been scrapped, so there is terrorist jihad.

Tomorrow, it will be nuclear jihad, thanks to Iran.

121 BabbaZee 6/9/2006 09:30AM PDT
#119 Trumanite
Awesome woman.

You bet. No doubt Oprah's had such a remarkable and courageous woman as a guest many times.

Obliged, again, for the link.

[Link: www.americancongressfortruth.com...]

#133 EE
Absolutely, I agree.
But the Saudis and Wahhabism are not the only source, ideological or financial.
The Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt are equal contributors to the birht of this modern Jihad.
IMO the Muslim Brotherhood is the most dangerous organization on the planet,
it may even control Al Queda.

Trumanite must somehow know I hate Oprah, LOL!

118 rabidsquirrel

I'm not Jewish, but I would love one of those t-shirts!

Me too! At one point there was talk of a mass printing...

Babba

He recognized me immediately, must be the eyes.

Windows to the soul...or in his case, the soul-less.

#136 BabbaZee
You are absolutely right. Jihad is common today. More than common, it is disgustingly sick, a psychotic illness of the Muslim world that has become jihad terrorism.

But tomorrow it will be much worse, because when Iran gets nukes, it will be the age of nuclear jihad, and we will look back fondly at the time when jihad was not yet nuclear.

Loppy ~ I never did it... those never got made
My computer died right about that time,
then I was in seclusion for 7 months... LOL ~
Get me a list of enough people, and I'll see if I can still get them made...It's been over a year since I spoke to that guy but I can ask if there's demand.

EE
Concur.

#102 Fjordman

About the arrests in Canada: The Canadian Islamic Congress blamed the Canadian government for not showering enough money on the problem. They wanted more funding for research “to scientifically diagnose problems and devise solutions.”

Yesterday I heard from somebody (who shall remain nameless) who has direct knowledge of the investigation, that nobody from the Muslim community, including the hundreds of people who know the 17 arrested suspects, nobody ever called the police, CSIS, or the RCMP about with concerns about the actions of these 17 men. Nobody.

The call for funding and research is a smoke job.

#126 Peacekeeper

Nope~ just m!

:D

And I can never be jobless. How would I buy shoes or all the superfreak implements?!

I shop- therefore I am!

Babba

It's been over a year since I spoke to that guy but I can ask if there's demand.

I'd venture to guess the demand would be HUGE.

Watching the looks of outrage, fear and disgust on the Moonbat faces would be more than worth the price!

#136 BabbaZee

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt and it is the father organization of all Sunni Islamists today. Al Qaeda is a subset of MB, comprising one of its more famous "military training" branches. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah and many other Palestinian terror groups all have origins in MB, as do the various Algerian terror groups. MB also has educational and cultural "outreach" programs in Europe where Tariq Ramadan is a central figure. Make no mistake, MB is the spider at the center of this web.

You should know that their are two Islamic Saudi Acadamies in Fairfax, Virginia. One is about one mile from Ft. Belvoir and the other is about two miles from the Fairfax County Government Center. Web site is: [Link: www.saudiacademy.net...]

This puts the howling Wahhabis about five miles from the White House and on the take-off/approach path for aircraft landing from or taking off to the South of Regan Airport (DCA). The one in Fairfax is about three miles from the approach path to Dulles (IAD).

Anyone notice exactly where this reprot came from? CBC. CBC is having an attack of anti-idiotarianism.

This is a great moment! And this morning they actually interviewed Steven Emerson on CBC Radio! If I hadn't already been lying in bed (having just woke up) I'd have fallen over.

Don't any of you see how significant this is? This is flying pig moment extraordinaire coming form the far left looney bin broadcaster islamic apologetics of Canada.

Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that the little park between CSIS and CBC where all those CBC employees walk by and sit and have lunch had anything to do with sudden insight?

#149 Kenneth
I know! I'm glad you know!

BBL

#98 Geepers
expecting about thirty right now. Click my nic.

Slick trick! will check it out from home (is blocked at work)

#102 fjordman

LOL! I went to school with the insane leftist known as N. Klein...she was always a nutter.

#145 kenneth

They started some new organization today-with a catchy name like DON'T JUDGE MUSLIMS BEFORE THEIR TRIAL OR YOU ARE A BAD INFIDEL...

And-it's really quite shocking that nobody in their midst ever called the police. Imagine that? As if they kind of, sort of, nudge nudge, wink-wink, AGREED with their little jihadi progeny?

Amiruddin said many mainstream Muslim organizations in Canada are really part of the problem, standing by as extremist propaganda spreads in the mosques.

Like many LGFers have said before: Their silence is deafening.

129 Poitiers-Lepanto

Succinctly put.
It's not a "war on terror" it's a "war on civilization"
WE did NOT start it
WE cannot STOP it

Why do they hate us? Because they say "convert, submit, or die" and we refuse.

We will stop defending ourselves when they quit attacking, and not before.

and God Bless the USAF.

#156 Pete(Detroit)

If one more moonbat asks 'why do they hate us' I'm going to have to shove a Koran up their nose and ask them to find out for their own frikkin selves...

#157 WriterMom

LOL! Sounds like a good idea to moi!

#95 Trumanite

Well, that's a good point about the intimidation and the "mafia" structure. It should be emphasized a lot more. And you know who should be emphasizing it? Muslims.

Yes, that can carry some risk, but they get the same protection that any other citizen does who reports criminal behavior. And, the rest of society does not "owe" it to the Muslim community to make it safer to out the criminals in their midst than it would be for Presbyterians or Mormons

With all due respect, the points you are making are valid enough on various levels, but we must beware of buying into the Wahhabist propaganda that Muslims are monolithic. Also, how many times have we read on this very blog that extremists are getting kid-glove treatment? One cannot assume that the average Muslim family who are working to get their kids through school, hoping for respectable jobs, comfy home, tv etc wants to be part of jihad just because some radical Arabian pennisula tribal group wants everyone to do it their way and has the funding to make life miserable for anyone who objects.
Please don't think I'm being naive. I've spent years in both stated Islamic Republics, majority Muslim West African nations or nations with large Muslim populations so I've had to live with these people and met many, many fine, cheerful husbands who love and are loyal to their wives who are quite easy to get along with. But,everywhere, the whispered words were "Watch out for the Muslim Brotherhood." People pay them off and duck their heads because they don't want their children chopped to pieces in front of them.
It's not fair to sit in a safe home and say to others who are at the mercy of trained killers that they should stand up against evil.
Most Americans have never felt that fear. I know of one family of an international staffer that was targetted to get the staffer to back off his research (financialaudit - of course). The house was broken into one night. The parents were treated all night long to mock executions of their children. The kids were marched out outside and the parents heard the shots. No police came to help them. The family left the country, had to be evacuated and the every one of them went through trauma therapy. They are lucky, they lived.
Therefore, the rule of thumb is: Until the average family feels safe enough to talk, they won't take the risk. If those wild men get out of jail in a week or a month or a year when they shouldn't be let out ever, families will not talk - and we shouldn't expect them to until they truly feel safe.

He says the Saudis have flooded Canada with free Qur'ans, laced with jihadist commentary.

I think we should find the source of these jihadist Korans and start posting quotes from them...

If the commentary contains direct incitement to violence, then in theory we can get them banned in almost any country.

If it "merely" contains hate speech, then we should at least have a case to get it banned in Europe and Canada.

I'm no lawyer, but I am interested in seeing one of these.

Anyone who can get a hand on one, give me an email.

Actually I'm not entirely sure of what I wrote.

Clearly it's illegal to give a speech inciting violence in this country.

Does anyone know if it's illegal to sell (or give away) a book directly inciting violence?

Here is the video of the report:

[Link: rapidshare.de...]

I'm totally shocked.

Seriously, seriously shocked.

I would never have believed I would see this reported by the CBC.

Of course, I should have searched the thread for "CBC" before posting...

#151 Judith:

Anyone notice exactly where this reprot came from? CBC. CBC is having an attack of anti-idiotarianism.

This is a great moment! And this morning they actually interviewed Steven Emerson on CBC Radio! If I hadn't already been lying in bed (having just woke up) I'd have fallen over.

Don't any of you see how significant this is? This is flying pig moment extraordinaire coming form the far left looney bin broadcaster islamic apologetics of Canada.

Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that the little park between CSIS and CBC where all those CBC employees walk by and sit and have lunch had anything to do with sudden insight?

Well, in our house, after laughing our asses off when it came out that the Ceeb was one of the jihadis' targets, we noticed a rather dramatic change in the tone of their news reports.

There's still the obligatory "Muslims worried about backlash" stories, but for the first time ever in a regular news broadcast (at least in my memory) I heard the reporter say "Wahhabi."

I was also shocked at this morning's broadcast. I'd only just woken up and I said to hubby, "Did they just say there was tons and tons of jihadi propaganda at a Muslim conference in Canada, or did I dream it?"

"Yes," he said, "they did. Maybe they're finally waking up."

A flying pig moment indeed.

Yeah, it's a 'days dead' thread, but just in case ...

#157 WriterMom - Don't know if that would work. In my experience the ability of moonbats to synthasize logical result from an emotional appeal is very limited. Hell, lack of 'critical thinking' skills is a hallmark of moonbattery, no? Still, I can see that it would at least be FUN.
For YOU.
Let us knwo how that works out, ok? ((-'pb

#159 American Infidel
So far as *I* can see, the only way WE can 'stop' it is to kill all of "them." Much faster / easier / CHEAPER (both in $$ and lives) to have them change thier minds.