maybe they thought their were some jews there?

Hope our friends the Saudis can bullshit in Hindi as well as they bullshit in English...

So what? Nothing is going to happen - it isn't as if the entire world is going to suddenly shun Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or the UAE based on hearing they've funded terrorists.

BFD.

But if my grandmother had done it she'd be hanged. She doesn't have any oil.

Maybe we should let them manage our sea ports.

the ex-activist stated.

Like terrorism is a legtimate activity like playing golf or collecting stamps.

I've had it with the dhimmi marxist self loathing MSM, screw you, i hope a bomb explodes in your faces.

Yaaawn. It would be news if there wasn't any Saudi connection. In the global jihad against civilization, the Saudis are the bagmen, the Pakistanis the foot soldiers and the brains, and assorted others like Malaysia the back up chorus to multiply the ummah's voice in an endless echo chamber.

3 theheat

So very, very true.

This isn't news. When it comes down to it, Saudi money is behind almost every violent/funadmentalist Islamic gang in the world.

So the Saudi's are funding terrorists in other countries. Maybe we can track the finances through an international banking agency. Oh that's right the NYT blew that option out of the water.

Alternative engergy NOW!
(sorry Mike C)

#5 pegcity

Like terrorism is a legtimate activity like playing golf or collecting stamps.

Terrorism and the related occupation of making babies for human shields are the only two fields in which Islamists excel. You're not going to see any Nobel Prize winning economists from Pakistan, no world class orchestra from Saudi Arabia, virtually no inventors or athletes or writers or dancers of note from anywhere in the Muslim world. Think about it. I can name Israelis and Indians and Koreans and Chinese and Chileans and Hungarians and, of course, Americans and Brits by the dozen, who excel at common human endeavors. Islamists only win when they're the only team.

10 Killgore Trout

I wonder what the BTU output for your average Koran is?

The best way to screw the Saudis would be to STOP USING OIL and crash the oil market.

I support the war in Iraq, but if we poured in just 10% of the cost of the war into emergency research, I bet this great country could come up with alternative and improve the energy sources we have.

We need to build a lot more Nuke plants, put up solar panels in orbit and beam back the power, encourage bio-diessel type energy, drill in ANWR and off the coasts.

Screw the Saudis.

11 truthteller

Terrorism and the related occupation of making babies for human shields are the only two fields in which Islamists excel.

Wrong, my friend.

They have perfected the fine art of seething to levels never before witnessed on Earth.

3 things.

#12 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)

"I wonder what the BTU output for your average Koran is?"

High. Each Koran is explosive!

Watch India track it back and declare war themselves on KSA and UAE.

Would you blame them?

Hello folks

Saudi & UAE - the same nations that contributed citizens to bomb us on 9/11.

And they keep on givin'

When is the West (and India) just going to start assassinating Saudi sponors?

And this big run-up in oil prices...Saudis are lying through their teeth. They HAVE cut production, despite their public pronoucements to the contrary.

Sorta OT

Just out of curiosity, how long ago did they change the name from Bombay to Mumbai (and what was the reason)?

/as an aside, "Calling Dr. Mumbai, Calling Dr. Mumbai" just doesn't have the right ring to it...

Who cares who funded them? Look at the BBC. It's all Israel all the time. Liberals know what's wrong with the world.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

#13 Greg In Seattle

If we didn't buy their oil another country would, instead. It's a card that can no longer be played.

The biggest advantage to becoming oil-independant is that we don't need to suck Saudi d*ck for one more minute. That'd solve a whole lot of problems - mostly that our politics weren't based on securing foreign oil. We might even grow a spine again.

From a poster on Daniel Pipe's site

Submitted by Chanakya Acharya, Jul 12, 2006 at 01:35

Once again Excellent Articles by Prof. Daniel Pipes. Although we all know that Islam literally means "Peace" and in practical it stands for " Terrorism" or " Mass Murder of Innocents". Followers of Islam are muslims or Momineen .According to the behaviour , there are 13 types of Muslims ,

1) Suicide Bombers : These are the most dangerous type of Muslims , they are willing to die in order to take lives of innocent non muslims.They are filled with deep hatred to massacre non muslims and are willing to go to any extent to do it.

Examples : Sept 11 Hijackers Mohammad Atta & Company, 7/7 Bombers , Daily Suicide attacks in Israel by Hamas , Islamic Jihad ,etc.

2) Suicidal Terrorists / Hostage Takers : These are those muslims who are not going for suicide bombings , but they are not afraid of death as well. These are mostly the Hostage takers , they know that there chance of survival is 50% / 50% . They take hostages and threaten them to kill if the demands are not met. They are so ruthless that they murder the hostages by slaughtering them like goats in front of Video Cameras to frighten the non muslims. ( Slaughter of Nick Berg , Paul Johnson, Ken Bigley , Nepali Cooks in Iraq by Abu Musaab Al Jarqavi.)

Examples: Hostage Takers of Beslan , Hostage Takes of Entebbe , Hostage takers of Brother Gilad Shalit,etc.

3) Terrorists ( But not suicidal) : These form the majority of Terrorists , they are well trained in handling Explosives , Bobm making , Sniping ,etc. They plant bombs , they carry on with snipe shooting , they do poisoning , they fire kassams ,etc.

Examples : Yesterdays Serial Blasts of Mumbai murdering 174 innocents and wounding over 500 people in India , World Trade Center Terror plot by Ramzi Yusuf , Anthrax scare , Sniper shootings by John Allen Mohammad in Washington DC, Bali Bombings , etc.

4) Active collaborators : These type of Muslims are not the terrorists themselves , but they actively collaborate and cooperate with Terrorists who are involved in Bombings or Suicide Mission.They provide Logistics , Shelter / Cover , Transport , Ammunition , hardware , information , reconaissance ,etc. They pose as normal citizens busy in their routine lives , infact aiding actively to these mass murderers. They form a significant amount of Muslims .

Examples: Majority of Suicide Bombings in Israel are carried out by the help of Israeli Muslim Arabs who are having Israeli Passports and all the rights which Jewisg Israelis have ( Except Israelis go to army and defend Israel and on the other hand , Israeli arabs claim all the benefits and breed like rats to control Israel demographically.)., Plan of Poisoning Rosh Ha Shanah Dinners in Beit Rimon Caffe in Jerusalem by an Israeli arab Chef , Blasts in Jerusalem University was done by Hamas Terrorists helped by Arab Employees of University ,etc.

5) Supporters of Terrorism : These Muslims are the most vocal supporters of Islamic Terrorism , they hold open rallies in London , Nazareth , etc , holding playcards supporting Terrorism. They openly advocate JIhad and spread propaganda in support of Jihad . These are like opinion makers in favour of jihad.

Examples: You can see CAIR , Muslim Student Organisations like WAMY , Muslims Groups in Universities, Faithful in Londons Finsbury Park Mosque ,etc.

6) Financers of Terrorism : These are those muslims who finance terrorism and give millions of dollars to wage a Jihad and Islamise the Non Muslim Countries.

Examples : Rich Sheikhs of Oil Rich Gulf Countries , Rich Ex patriate Muslims , Islamic Charities and Muslims giving alms or Zakat in every mosque in World.On every friday muslims donate for Zakat or Charity wgich is fifth pillar of Islam and major portion of this money goes to Islamic Militants around the world.

Ya know, we've talked a lot on LGF about "regime change" in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and just plain ole steamrolling Syria.
How come we never talk (the we including "annoymous" government officials) regime change in the Magic Kindom?

OT: I just went on my evening trudge through the Kos swamp and It seem the MSM has picked up on the Koskidz are Revolting thread from last week...
Is the Daily Kos About to Implode? Fox News Thinks so.

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13 GreginSeattle

Just sharing here. This website allows the debate of the merits of all types of alternative fuels and vehicles. It's an interesting read.

#14 Kragar

11 truthteller

Terrorism and the related occupation of making babies for human shields are the only two fields in which Islamists excel.

Wrong, my friend.

They have perfected the fine art of seething to levels never before witnessed on Earth.

3 things.

I stand corrected. Watch out for all three events at the Islamist Olympics where the members of the OIC go head to head in: Seething, Breeding and Bombing.

#23 realwest

How come we never talk (the we including "annoymous" government officials) regime change in the Magic Kindom?

Heads of the hydra. Crush its heads and then go for the heart.

re #22

Read the rest here

[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

#23 realwest
Democracy in the Muslim world is a dicey thing as is. In the Majic Kingdom it would be a complete waste of time. Ossama (or someone even worse) would probably get elected.

This is a world war. The counter-jihad needs more robust and lethal shadow ops. In addition to all we're doing now, we should be assassinating their leaders continuously, totally without compunction and explanation.

Enough is enough.

The way I see it the US has become the laundry cleaning service for the Saudis. They drop off their blood-stained robes, the US cleans them in exchange for oil and business goes on as usual.

Who killed the electric car?

# 13 GreginSeattle

...put up solar panels in orbit and beam back the power,...

Um, if we could do that, we wouldn't need nuclear weapons or our new anti-missle system.

So?

You have pretty low opinion of us, eh ?

26 truthteller

I believe they prefer to breed, then seethe, then bomb.

That seems to be how they've worked in the West so far.

#29 Killgore Trout - I wasn't clear. I didn't mean regime change to Democracy, I meant change several of the top Royal Family leadership. And ya know, leave some sort of calling card. Make it VERY clear to them that if they keep on funding terrorism, we're gonna keep on "regime changing".
And to think Desert Storm I was largely done by US to protect Saudia Arabia from Sadaam - nice way to thank us, guys.

Please avoid bad science & bad solutions for energy on LGF. It is ...

#19 ctp

as an aside, "Calling Dr. Mumbai, Calling Dr. Mumbai" just doesn't have the right ring to it...

A good Three Stooges reference always brings a smile and a "nyuk, nyuk". ;-D

35 realwest

I was thinking more like Macarthur when he rebuilt Imperial Japan into what the framework for what it is today.

We will need to crush them utterly and start over.

#35 Realwest

I meant change several of the top Royal Family leadership. And ya know, leave some sort of calling card. Make it VERY clear to them that if they keep on funding terrorism, we're gonna keep on "regime changing".

There are plenty of them,they won't miss a Prince or two.

re 33

It's time to stop sucking up to the Saudis. Pakistan. UAE. and All the other oil producing nations. We have the technology. Why has the US tripled Saudis immigration into the US this past year?

Muslims are responsible for 95% of the conflicts going on around the world. Spin the glove (if you have one) If there's conflict, most probably some muslim group was involved. Oh thire extremeists! Excuse me. I didn't know...let me go back and hide under my bed. It's time to say it out loud. It's time to secure the borders. And put in place new immigration policies. If there are no terrorists in the US, there's no chance of tunnels been blown apart. End of story.

Not PC? Too bad.

It's time to develop oil INDEPENDENCE DAY!

Oil goood!

Oil slip er eee!

Dear Saudi friends: A new day has dawned. For every terror attack ANYWHERE by ANYONE, the US will move $100,000,000 from your New York accounts to Israel. There will be NO exceptions. If attacks continue, we will move the same amount FOR EACH PERSON KILLED into our slush fund that will be used to shut your ass down. Salaam, baby.

#37 Cartman

Pssst!_{That was from Bewitched!}

19 christheprofessor

I have a friend whose church frequently does mission trips and they go to Mumbai every year or so. She told me Bombay was the British colonial change and the native people prefer Mumbai.

Charles: Funding by wealthy Wahabi individuals is not the same thing as "Mumbai Train Bombers Funded by Saudi Arabia and UAE." Right here in the United States, we have United States citizens funding Al-Qaeda, but that doesn't mean the United States is funding Al-Qaeda. Words mean things.

Hell up here in Canada we have all the oil America will ever need.

We have 30 million people and a bazaillion barrels of oil, hell we can still use oil, just not foriegn oil. Or is that not a market friendly idea.

#45 Timbre

Understanding different forms of government is a knowledge thing.

#43 ctp

Pssst!That was from Bewitched!

My bad. I guess I was thinking of the infamous "Calling Dr. Howard, Calling Dr. Howard" episode. ;)

40 So?
Pakistan produces oil? Who knew?

46 pegcity

Hell up here in Canada we have all the oil America will ever need.

We have 30 million people and a bazaillion barrels of oil, hell we can still use oil, just not foriegn oil. Or is that not a market friendly idea.

Very market friendly - combine that with the some 70B barrels in oil shale in UT & CO and we're rid of this plague on earth.

I seem to recall the Gujarat riots were triggered by Moslems setting fire to a train full of Hindus. Nothing major, only a few hundred burned alive.

#40 So? Would you please talk to all the jackasses in Congress that continually vote against domestic oil production?

I remember a WSJ article sayin' the original intent of the radicals and their madrasses was to over-throw the royal family, but the saudis payed them off to direct the anger at us.

Perhaps if the kingdom stops paying, they're doomed. I also hear the saudis have pre-sabotaged the oilfields as a standoff measure.

Also, since we moved out, isn't china movin' in?

#39 12th Imam(hidden) - Who said a couple? I mean by the dozens. Get it to the point where none of the Royal Family want the role of King or if they do, they stop the funding to save their own lives.
And how about the Saudi people? The way I hear it, not a whole lot of them are overjoyed at the Royal Family, either. Who knows, make the Royal Family scared enough and...real regime change, from within.

Time to "internationalize" all that sweet sweet dino-juice in Arabia, you know, for the benefit of the little people who live there, no reason for filthy rich sheiks to get all the benees... Under UN oversight/cut, Even Koffee Anus would back that plan.

Does anybody remember that quote from King Fahd (AIR), where he says something along the lines of all he has to do is snap his fingers and US soldiers come die for him and they put them in the cooler and ship them home (something like that)? I've been searching for it and can't find it, would be nice to see somebody post it on this thread...

btw, while searching, one of the hits that came back was this lgf "page" (it's a bunch of days) - I think the one that the search found was the "10 Worst Quotes From The Democratic Underground" thread on 12/31/03. This one (which is displayed) is a doozy:

3) “When the 2nd plane hit the WTC I remember thinking...OMG, he’s got his war now. Then, the next day or the day after that, when the roar of “war with Iraq and Afganistan” really got going I couldn’t help but think “well Bush II get’s to finish Daddy’s work now". As for when the plane hit the Pentagon and the other plane went down in that field in Penn I screamed at the TV, “Get the WH, for God’s sake you missed the WH.” I invented some cuss words on that one. There were times before 9/11 as well as in the days to follow that the boy king mentioned Saddam “tried to kill my Dad” and couldn’t help but scream at the TV each time, “Well, give him a medal for effort anyway.” -- LiberalLibra

Since 1982, I've spent nearly four years of my life in Saudi Arabia, and nearly the same amount of time in several other countries in the region. The Saudi people, for the most part, are simply backward camel jockeys that have zero regard for anyone, including themselves. They have the oil, money, power, and influence, plus the Medina and Mecca mosques, that they can get their way anywhere they desire with impunity. There is no one and no "leader" in the Muslim world that would be willing to stand up to the Saudi jihad machine, and live. There is no peaceful nation on Earth that is Islamic-ruled. I read elsewhere in LGF that someone likened Islam to a form of governance, versus a religion. I'd say both. It's rule by fear, because a rational, thinking person could not, by very nature, voluntarily subjugate themselves to such tyranny. Saudi Arabia is a filthy, stinking, despotic rathole whose ass the West must stop kissing. We have all the oil we need in Mexico. Take it over and we don't have to travel nearly so far and the troops don't have to deploy halfway around the world - just send 'em south! Let the Middle East rot of its own stinking backwardness,

But the PC crowd, giving the Islamics "equal treatment" and giving their "culture" of death equal status with civilized society, can't see the difference between us and them. So, until both the PC madness is eradicated and Islamic rule is destroyed, we've got a hundred years' war in the very early stages. I'm preaching to the crowd, I know, but the word has to get out...if we are to save civilization from the return of 7th Century medivalism and tribalism.

This violence perpetrated by the Islamics is crazy.

#44 Perry

Thanks. That would make sense. Sort of like the folks at Cape Canaveral (sp?) finally got it changed back from Cape Kennedy, which I understantd the locals never liked and resented.

#13
What Americans do about cutting back on Saudi oil use would have little effect on prices or the Saudi money pots since the vast share of imported petroleum in the US are from Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, Nigeria, Angola, etc. Last figure I saw only 15% of US usage came from the entire Middle East and even less from the Saudis.
The big purchasers of Saudi oil are the EU, Japan, China, and India. Unfortunately much of the world is in thrall to Saudi and Middle Eastern petroleum.

Why can the media never connect the dots between the jihad in India with the jihad everywhere else?

I was talking with two Indian colleagues at work today. Both of them knew this 7/11 event was the actual anniversary of the 7/7 in London last year. The 7/7 was a Tuesday. 7/7 this year came on a Friday and everybody knows they don't launch major attacks on Fridays. Or Mondays, for that matter. 7/11 was the first Tuesday. It was the natural anniversary for 7/7.

I did not see anywhere in the BBC coverage (or anyone else's, to be fair) the connection of the dots from 7/7 to 7/11. Nor did I see any dot connection of 7/11 to any other jihad action anywhere in the world. You'd think it occurred in a bubble.

#40 So?

You're preaching to the choir here.

The only hot spots in the world I can name without the Muslim terrorist element is Sri Lanka and maybe Columbia. Could be wrog there too.

I was just dissapointed to read your pessimism. Think victory. Vote that way too.

#45 Timbre - oh please - they're arent any wealth Wahabi individuals who arent' members of the Royal Family or who aren't paying a lot of gelt to the Royal Family to keep their own individual wealth. To pretend that the Royal Family isn't into the funding of these monsters is just foolish.

$57 christheprofessor

[Link: www.sauduction.com...]

#48 Roger

I understand that. But one of the things we readers of LGF hate is listening to liberals sling accusations with no evidence. If there is evidence that Sheik Whoever sent money to a maildrop in western Pakistan at the behest of Prince Whatshisname for UBL, then lets lay it on the table. Otherwise the headline should be accurate: "Saudi citizens fund Mumbai Train Bombers."

BTW, when King Fahd died recently, he supposedly died of complcations from syphillis, and cirrohsis of the liver, getting treatment in Switzerland for several months in 2001-2002.

Not something you'd think, right?

# 62 RTLM:

The only hot spots in the world I can name without the Muslim terrorist element is Sri Lanka and maybe Columbia. Could be wrog there too.

While I agree that Columbia's J-School is definitely a hot-spot for terrorists and their supporters, I think you meant Colombia.

#64 PETN Sandwich

That's the one, thanks. Is that quote real?

btw, I forgot the link to the lgf page I mentioned in #57, if anybody was curious about those 10 Worst DU Quotes -- here 'tis... (have to scroll down to get to it)

Thank you RickZ

pimf

Yes Colombia, the war zone.

#69 RTLM

I wouldn't sweat it -- we are all wrog on occasion...

#58 6patrick6

We have all the oil we need in Mexico. Take it over and we don't have to travel nearly so far and the troops don't have to deploy halfway around the world - just send 'em south!

I assume you were joking...

#61 Luigi 7/12/2006 06:07PM PDT

Why can the media never connect the dots between the jihad in India with the jihad everywhere else?

Liberals will finally connect the dots when they are themselves victims of Islamic terror, but then they'll be dead so, it will be too late... but if they respond any sooner they'd almost be supporting Bush and that would be worse than death.
yeah, that sounds about right.

/the sarcasm liberalism deserves

#68 christheprofessor

That's the one, thanks. Is that quote real?

I don't know if it is real, but it appears credible, knowing what little I do of the culture...

It was probably said in arabic, which CAIR would find many more benign translations.

#77 ploome hineni - ploome - see my #35, see any sort of passing resemblence?

So, why are the US networks still reporting that there is no established link to any specific group of perpetrators? We have entered an age where journalists only report what fits the MSM agenda. Who is setting that agenda?

well are we talking Saudi citizens or members of the Saudi government?

if it's the former, that's not really surprising. if it's the latter then we'd have some problems.

Alright, I give up.

As some of you know, the Indian authorities suspect that the Student Islamic Movement of India might have had a hand in this.

So what's happening in the province of Uttar Pradesh? The leftist Chief Minister (equivalent of a governor) needs the Muslim vote, so he's going to release 16 SIMI terrorists from prison

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

The Saudis are blackmailing the US financial markets. They're carrying way too much of our debt, a good chunk of the equities, along with their obvious influence in OPEC, and could put all our markets in the tank. Watch the movie Rollover, it's about the last (and maybe only time) that Jane Fonda and Kris Kristoferson got it right.

The Democrats were involved in the Mumbai train bombings yesterday on July 11th.

Joe Biden talking to an Indian fast food worker last week:

"You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent."

This was Joe's signal to the Islamic sleeper cells in Bombay to set off their bombs on 7-11.

Sure, it's absolutely nuts, but no more so than the crap about missiles hitting the Pentagon instead of an airliner, or all the Jews staying home from work in the WTC on 9-11 to miss the Dubya-directed thermite controlled demolitions at the behest of Israel. It's the most interesting theory that I've heard so far – which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved.

#70 - Thanks!

#72 - Yes - should've added the "sarcasm" at the end of that particular sentence. But, isn't that scenario a possibility, given today's climate? A point to mull...

The Wahhabi doctrine is linked directly to the Saud family by an alliance between its originator Abd al-Wahhab and Ibn Saud in the 1700's. The story is that Saud was promised leadership of all the muslim community and Wahhabi the leader in religious matters. They didn't achieve their goal, but the Saudi's were given the opportunity to do so with the Anglo-Saudi Treaty in 1915 against the Ottoman Empire. You see, the British had this war thingy going on and decided to sleep with dogs.
Unfortunately we've all woken up with fleas.

Wait! Wait!
Bombings are revenge for the Gujarat riots?
The Mumbai/Bombay India Gate bombing three years ago was stated as retaliation for the Gujarat riots.
This can go on awhile, retailiation for the same thing, something that indeed the local Gujarat Muslims got rolling in the first place with their attacks on trainloads of Hindus.

#86 6patrick6

Not really. Working with Mexico (and Canada)to secure the petroleum we need is, but not that...

#88 wanumba 7/12/2006 07:57PM PDT
Wait! Wait!
Bombings are revenge for the Gujarat riots?

wanumba, that is the MO of the ROP. Like the Lebanese Ambassador to the US said today (before his boss pulled his ticket), the Hezballah was justified attacking Israel as it was revenge for the Israeli incursion in Lebanon (which ended how many years ago?).

6patrick6 - on the islam as a political system, i mentioned this yesterday. at the moment, we are hamstrung with discussing/fighting islam because of PC considerations as the propaganda war is being won that it's a religion. if it was confronted with what it is, a political system as insideous as communism, the battle would take on new dimensions.

#90 Biff
Just making sure no one missed that. :)
Now, for some calculations using Anant's input:
The man caught in Delhi on the day of the Bombays bombs was carrying Rs 49 lakh, plus about 2.5 kg of explosives.
lakh = 100,000
49 lakh = 4,900,000 rupees divided by 46.09 at Rs/dollar rate, let's use 50/$1 just for a quick and dirty estimate ... hmm a chunk of change.

spyder,
The West generally looks at groups as either religious, political, or racial. Islam is an ideology (as is Marxism, though one is based in a social-theology, while the other is rooted in social-economics). The problem with the Islamic ideology is that at its core it is genocidal, sociopathic, and totalitarian. They are as bad as Nazis, but our media, academics, clerics, and politicians are terrified because of the religious affiliation. Would we be cutting mass murdering satanists this kind of slack?

Funded by the Saudis? Who woulda thunk it?

#83 Anant

Alright, I give up.

As some of you know, the Indian authorities suspect that the Student Islamic Movement of India might have had a hand in this.

So what's happening in the province of Uttar Pradesh? The leftist Chief Minister (equivalent of a governor) needs the Muslim vote, so he's going to release 16 SIMI terrorists from prison.

Mulayam Singh Yadav is the best example of a peculiar disease in Indian politics. Praising Osama bin Laden and releasing terrorists from prison is termed "secular." Attacking OBL, or jailing terror suspects, or even pointing out that torching a trainload of Hindus is kind of rude earns you the label Hindu fascist. Unlike Israel, and despite Partition, India does not understand the nature of the existential threat she faces. The proverbial Muslim vote bank makes slaves of most Indian politicians.

#87 - regardless of Wahhabi fundamentalism, i don't really have a lotta faith that any government (democratically-elected or otherwise) replacing the Saudi royal family would be desirable at this point. if anything, it would probably be more radical -- al-Qaeda would overthrow them if they had the capability. so we work with what we got.

Are these the same people that our present administration (I voted for GWB) wanted to oversee our ports ?

Now, when people in India start saying "Nuke Mecca!" (they do have nukes, don't they?) will the press and the government gather their skirts and leap on a chair in horror, the way they do here in the U.S.?

#96 Trey Stone

regardless of Wahhabi fundamentalism, i don't really have a lotta faith that any government (democratically-elected or otherwise) replacing the Saudi royal family would be desirable at this point. if anything, it would probably be more radical -- al-Qaeda would overthrow them if they had the capability. so we work with what we got.

Agreed. Democracy would empower an even worse lot of fundamentalists, as it arguably has in Iraq. Saudi Arabia will need to be brought under a form of international trusteeship similar to the one that occupied Germany after WWII. Just as the Cold War didn't end until the fall of the Berlin Wall, so the war against Islamism won't end until we see fundamental changes not merely in the rulers of Saudi Arabia but also the ruled.

I thought the rogue Luddites were protesting the railroad!

"Attacks retaliation for Gujarat riots"
Excuse du jour!

And here's a U.S. connection to the Bombay train blasts. It turns out that the founder of SIMI, the Islamist group believed responsible, now teaches in Michigan:

[Link: ia.rediff.com...]

Mumbai Train Bombers Funded by Saudi Arabia and UAE AND Organised by Al-Queda with Kashmiri terrorist and SIMI

Pak sheltering terrorists: Pak leader
[Link: www.deccan.com...]

He told this correspondent that a terrorist today was dependent on four factors. One, he said, was motivation that came from belief that the act of terror would accord him a special place in paradise. And as the eloquent and charming Frontier leader said laughingly, “a belief that every dream of his would be answered in the afterlife, there would be beautiful women...” The second necessary factor for terrorism, he said, was the terrain, as the more inhospitable it was for common folk the more secure it was for the terrorist.