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Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 7:27:11 pm PDT

New York Times photographer Joao Silva was right there in the room as a member of Muqtada al-Sadr’s “Mahdi Army” tried to kill American troops: The New York Times - New York Region - Slide Show - Slide Show: Memorable Photographs.

Assistant Managing Editor for Photography Michele McNally comments on this one:

A sniper loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al Sadr fires towards U.S. positions in the cemetery in Najaf, Iraq.

Michele McNally: “Right there with the Mahdi army. Incredible courage.”

UPDATE at 7/15/06 8:11:33 pm:

Here’s a site where New York Times photographer Joao Silva is hawking a book about his uncomfortably close friendships with people who want to kill your neighbors, your sons, and your daughters: In the Company of God by award-winning New York Times photographer, Joao Silva. (Hat tip: Michelle Malkin.)

In the Company of God is a photographic compilation that portrays Iraqi Shi’a Muslims in a period of occupation and transition. This photographic body of work, recorded over twelve months, richly captures the Shi’as’ intense commitment to their faith and their indomitable spirit of sacrifice.

About the pictures

The pictures in this book are not displayed in a chronological order but rather in a manner that best illustrates a narrative about faith, sacrifice, war and martyrdom. They were taken while on assignment for The New York Times, from July 30 to November 3, 2003, from January 16 till April 1, 2004, from June16 until August 30, 2004, and again from January 18, 2005 until March 31, 2005.

UPDATE at 7/15/06 9:02:08 pm:

Jeff Goldstein comments: Sleeping with the Enemy.

Incredible courage?  Well, far be it for me to question such self-congratulatory enthusiasm, but it seems to me that actual “incredible courage” would have entailed, say, Joao Silva getting word to US troops, or his bumrushing the sniper and beating him unconscious with a heavy telephoto lens.

Whereas what we’ve witnessed here is the product of dangerous opportunism in the service of plaudits and cocktail party invites.

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1 sndpaper  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:29:08pm

The ny times is beneath contempt.

2 atlasshrugged  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:29:31pm

its patriotism fools!

3 hurricane_jimmy  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:29:42pm

Picture worth 1000 words.

4 atlasshrugged  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:29:44pm

dreck

real dreck

5 RedPepper  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:29:49pm

One of them, in fact ...

6 godfrey  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:30:18pm

The NYT makes great litter box liner.

7 atlasshrugged  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:30:27pm

oh oh but we cant compromise our journalistic ethics

because we are so special ya know

8 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:30:49pm

feh. *TM*

how about, you know, taking out the guy trying to kill OUR guys?!? of course, that's why he's a photographer... doesn't have the balls to be a soldier.

double feh.

9 atlasshrugged  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:30:52pm

we know better
we are THE TIMES

10 Ghost of a flea  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:32:18pm

So... what does the word "treason" mean these days?

11 LSD  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:32:29pm

NYT Photo-Scum

12 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:32:47pm

Beggars description, yet don't question their patriotism! This 'sswipe probably should be held as an accomplice to murder! A sniper, no less

13 atlasshrugged  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:32:52pm

the whole thing is sick. Think about it. These are sick people.

What galls me is once again the left exploits the very freedoms the right fights for, dies for.

If left to their own devices the country would be totally fucked. I mean really.

14 Cybrludite  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:32:52pm

Pity the reporter didn't catch any return fire.

15 big L  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:33:19pm

tranquilizer darts. US forces equipped with tranqulizer darts.
/justand idea to protect orur men and women.

16 Walpurgis Knight  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:33:19pm

I can understand the use of US media for propaganda during wartime. What I can't understand is why the US media is doing propaganda for the other side. It's a crazy, mixed-up world.

17 fireangel  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:33:32pm

Terrorists are media whores and the person who took the picture in question needs to take a dirt nap.

18 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:33:57pm

How many photographers did they send with the Nazis?

Fourth estate, fifth column.

19 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:34:07pm

10 Ghost of a flea 7/15/2006 07:32PM PDT
So... what does the word "treason" mean these days?


In their book this is just dissent and journalistic integrity. Catbox is too good for the NYT

20 zenbone  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:34:12pm

INCREDIBLE WHAT?

21 RedPepper  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:34:36pm

What, one wonders, would the photographer have done if the sniper had asked, "Ya wanna try a shot ?"

22 W-lover  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:35:01pm

Sedition!

23 godfrey  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:35:09pm

If you've taken enough sedatives, read McNally's comments on the other photographs in the series. How much does she get paid for writing this kind of nonsense?

This picture is symbolic, iconic and grudgingly aesthetic.

/shaking head in disbelief

24 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:35:16pm

and they attribute courage to their puling photographer!

25 slotgun  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:35:52pm

Dec. 16, 1945: This image from New York Times photographer I.M. Treasonous shows German Panzers crashing through Allied positions along a line from France to Belgium . . .

Hmmm. Wonder why that caption never ran. Oh, yeah: I remember now! It's because the Times was on our side in that war!

26 atlasshrugged  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:35:53pm

When did treason assume the cloak of patriotism? Who is reading this shit except for UBL minions?

27 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:36:09pm

Look at the squalor you get with islam!

28 Buckaroo  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:36:11pm

ALBERTO!

DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND PROSECUTE SOMEONE OR TURN THE JOB OVER TO SOMEONE WHO CAN!

/way past the point of tolerance for this garbage

29 W-lover  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:37:14pm

I'm with you Buckaroo!

It is sedition!

30 fireangel  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:38:21pm

Sadr city has sewage running down the middle of the streets, which is no doubt where the picture was taken. I've seen pictures of goats and sheep eating garbage in Sadr city. Another fine example of a terrorist's priorities.

The asshole in the picture looks like he smokes crack. On the other hand Mookie looks like he ate a small family.:D

31 Buckaroo  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:39:21pm

The only good news is the Madhi version of Gunny Hathcock there is not exactly in an optimal position -- wiggling on both his knees using a windowsill as a tripod ...
:-~

32 rickl  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:39:33pm
#19 SpartanWoman

Catbox is too good for the NYT


I've posted this story here before, but now is a good time to re-run it:

Some time ago I got a call from a telemarketer trying to sell me a NYT subscription. I replied very politely, "But I don't have a puppy or a bird, so I have no use for the Times." She giggled and said, "That's cute."

33 big L  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:39:45pm

The media-dopes are so afrtaid that these brave men and women of the USA survive teh war and come back and be rational, adult mature, brave, upstanding, brook-no-shit
members of society and candidates for public office. Imo, I really believer that they don't want the coverage of the latest "greatest generation" .

And all the amazing stories and good works tehy have done andwill continue to perform succcessfully against insurrmountable odds will drop into a memory-hole. Never to be written about.

This why the efforts or Roggio or Ledeen, or Mowbray et al need to be collected and preserved.

34 atlasshrugged  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:39:59pm

Did you hear Sadr's remarks on Israel. We should Have killed this bastard when we had the chance.

35 varmint  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:40:06pm

Nice Dragunov.

For all the talk of the media being led around by our military, this is an example of a reported imbedded with the enemy. We should remember this the next time one of them get taken hostage.


I wonder how the Drive By Truckers would react if the new how many of their fans were right wing rednecks?

36 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:40:29pm

#25 slotgun

It's because the Times was on our side in that war!

Technically,they were on Stalin's side.

It was a lucky coincidence that we were allies at the time.

Photographers who stand by while our enemies/their friends shoot at us are fair game.

37 godfrey  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:40:56pm

Ah, the Camelot that was not to be. Note McNally's comment.

As for Rosenthal's pic, McNally had no comment.

38 big L  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:41:43pm

The LA. times is offering the LA times weekend, FRi, sat, sun for 1.25 a week!

39 cargocultist  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:41:48pm

Joao Silva's personal slideshow

40 Buckaroo  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:42:08pm

# 34 a s

It may turn out to be a non-trivial mistake when we chose not to treat al-sadr the same as we treated zarqawi ...
:-(

41 Nick18313  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:42:10pm

Hope this post doesn't get the FBI knocking at my door.. I'm not advocating someone or some group somehow attacking the New York Times offices.. I'm just suprised it hasn't happened.

42 mbruce  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:42:15pm

I want this photog arrested.He knows of enemy positions and encourages them to friggin pose for him? While thay are aiming at our guys? Gitmo for this bastard, put him with his buddies,see how courageous he is then.

43 Luigi  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:42:58pm

Al Anon

The relationship between jihadists and western liberals is like that between dope addicts and 'enablers'. 'Enablers' are often loved ones who out of sympathy or perverse pleasure try to soften the way for the addict. The addict takes, the enabler gives. The addict sucks the life out of the enabler, and the enabler cannot rid themselves of their feeling of guilt. Ultimately, both are destroyed.

44 hayseed  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:43:11pm

anyone can take pictures now days. Ansel Adams could take and develop photogaphs

45 jrdroll  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:43:53pm
Michele McNally: “Right there with the Mahdi army. Incredible courage.”

Traitor - Death- Shoot the MFer

46 atlasshrugged  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:44:16pm

Al-Sadr points finger at US for Lebanon

Like I said, we should have killed him

47 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:44:41pm

#34 Atlas

Did you hear Sadr's remarks on Israel. We should Have killed this bastard when we had the chance.

There will be another chance,and we will have no choice but to take it this time.

It's going to be a jump-ball in that region when the Isreali's are done,Syria is looking at it's last days,no one has any use for weak strongmen.

Iran will be dealt with,they are fresh out of friends at this point.

48 rickl  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:45:02pm
#36 12th Imam(hidden)

Technically,they were on Stalin's side.

It was a lucky coincidence that we were allies at the time.


Heh™.

49 atlasshrugged  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:45:23pm

hayseed thats rich!

loved ansel, now those were pictures

50 rickp  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:45:40pm

Beyond betrayal. the photographer was probably pointing out targets to the sniper. How did he happen to get embedded with terrorists in the first place?

51 W-lover  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:45:42pm
The LA. times is offering the LA times weekend, FRi, sat, sun for 1.25 a week!

What a rip off!

52 Midwest  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:45:43pm

Maybe US forces could use the photo as proof to go after Sadr and his militia, and then send a hearty and very public "Thank You" to the nyt for their help in elimating islam fascits.

I wonder how popular nyt reports and photographers would be with the remaining scum?

53 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:45:52pm

Incredible treason.

54 saywhat?  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:47:06pm

"Az anyad meg baszut kurva ur istanit!" (unsure of hunkie spelling . . .but the emotion fits.

The f'n "sniper loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al Sadr" was aiming in the wrong direction.

55 ladycatnip  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:47:08pm

The NYT is consistent. They are the Tokyo Rose of the 21st century.

Traitors.

I'm waiting for our administration to indict them for printing classified info and to go after the leaker.

56 jrdroll  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:47:21pm

There might be "excess" fertilizer this season. The NYT address is what?

57 rickl  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:47:57pm
#47 12th Imam(hidden)

Iran will be dealt with,they are fresh out of friends at this point.


Uh, what about Russia and China?

58 Omega  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:47:59pm

Courage?

The photographer was in no danger from the militants terroists, whatsoever. They wouldnt kill such a good & useful ally.

The photo was likely staged in any case. If Marines had determined the location of that clown, that building would have been reduced to rubble pretty fast.

59 upchuck  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:48:07pm

Won't see this in NYTimes...Documenting Sadam's links to terror. (7/12/06)... [Link: regimeofterror.com...]

60 jrdroll  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:49:01pm

#54

unsure of hunkie spelling


You don't like Hungarians?

61 Sheepdogess  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:49:14pm

From the American Spectator...

If the Times Covered the American Revolution

If the New York Times had been around to report on the American Revolution, its coverage might have looked something like this...

* Dec. 16, 1773: Sons of Liberty to raid East India Company ships

BOSTON -- Members of the undergound organization called the Sons of Liberty are plotting to raid three East India Company ships tonight and dump the cargo -- thousands of pounds worth of Darjeeling tea -- into Boston Harbor, the Times has learned. Contacted at his headquarters, Gov. Thomas Hutchinson said, "We'll be ready and waiting for them. Thanks, New York Times!"

The plot called for members of the shadowy group to dress as Mohawk Indians, board the ship, and dump the tea into the harbor. The move is portrayed as a protest of the Stamp Act, but some analysts say it might be nothing but a racist plot to turn the public against Indians.

the rest... [Link: www.spectator.org...]

62 groinpullerredux  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:49:19pm

i suppose being a devotee of 'l'art pour l'art' can excuse a certain amount of intellectual gaucherie...but how that neurosthenic philosophy has the effrontery to include aiding and comforting nay abetting the enemy escapes this gentle observer... cyril connolly with his dictum that 'perfect fear driveth out love' would stand amazed at this vignette.

again...yeats seems to have foreseen this moral confusion.

63 right wing zephyr  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:49:20pm

"Welcome to my humble abode, NY times friend. Here. Get a good pic of my Bullet-proof vest and swimming trunks that I stole off your infidel-sponsored Shiites. LMAO. After this we will go to virgins.

What do you think of this?"

64 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:49:21pm

#32 rickl

I stopped my subscription years ago

65 right wing zephyr  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:51:19pm

atlas---

If left to their own devices the country would be totally fucked. I mean really.

absolutely right.

At what point do we have to kill them so they won't murder our children?

66 Cartman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:51:59pm

How in the fuck could this asshat stand there and watch an Islamofacist son of a sow zero in on what might well have been her neighbor's son? Further words fail me right now.

67 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:52:51pm

I'd like to see a different slide show: "Silva in chains"

68 Geepers  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:53:23pm

Has the NY Time ever used the words "incredible courage" with regard to any US soldier?

69 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:54:27pm

# 25 slotgun

I remember now! It's because the Times was on our side in that war!


The Justice Department under FDR actually prosecuted acts of treason during the war.

I'm afraid that the GOP hasn't been up to that job since then. Remember, Jane Fonda and John Kerry did their crimes against America during Richard Nixon's watch.

70 SwampWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:55:02pm

#66 Cartman

Don't be silly. They don't know anybody with the requisite courageous bloodlines to be a soldier.

71 godfrey  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:56:14pm

Here's a piece on McNally. Excerpt:

"Michele's title is an upgrade from 'picture editor,' and it is meant to signify an upgrade in authority. We expect her not just to run a department, but to be a champion within the paper for adventuresome visual journalism," [Bill] Keller concluded.

Hmm, I predict a golden age of Arab stringer propaganda photos.

72 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:56:55pm

OT: More bass-ackwards reporting...
Armstrong renews French bashing during US awards show

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

73 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:57:35pm
A sniper loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al Sadr fires towards U.S. positions in the cemetery in Najaf, Iraq.

He's a southpaw.

Or maybe that's just his good side.

Are there any follow up shots of this guy?

74 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:59:21pm

No. 28 Buckaroo

I AGREE 100 % ! ! !

75 mattm  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 5:59:28pm

But they won't print a picture of US troops helping Iraqis, or givign crayons and papter to children.

76 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:00:05pm

#72 cbinflux

Lance was being kind..and far less crude than zidou's terrorist mommle

77 jpsfudimo  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:00:10pm

Hi Geepers:

Waving hand across the internet.

78 johnCV  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:00:36pm

Just curious - what if this jihadi dipshit was firing at a 'journalist'? I wonder what the caption would read then.
In that case, perhaps the photographer would have suggested to the sniper that a US soldier would be more approriate target? Maybe even going so far as to help spot one. Ever helpful, these nyt types...


The friend of my enemy is my enemy.

79 Macker  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:01:57pm
A sniper loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al Sadr fires towards U.S. positions in the cemetery in Najaf, Iraq.

Michele McNally: “Right there with the Mahdi army. Incredible courage.”

Oh, so he follows al-Sadr, eh. More like He's A Lazy Sod!

80 Julie  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:03:01pm

The first photo in the series is of burned American bodies hanging from a bridge and Michele tells us it's "iconic." the third photo is the Iwo Jima flag photo. I'd say that's IRONIC.

81 jrdroll  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:03:18pm

Stir the pot :

Putz Sulzberger as Mo: The Revenge of the Danish CartoonMoes

82 Cartman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:05:03pm

Michele McNally

Her, him...whatever.

Right there with the Mahdi army. Incredible courage.

Courage? Courage? Please repeat, because I couldn't digest your bleat. Courage is a trait that distinguishes those who take action at their own peril in the pursuit of saving what's left of human good. On the other hand, cowardice is fighting that noble ideal every step of the way. Spit be upon you, and your fearful and simpering colleagues at the NYT.

83 USA  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:05:11pm

Pornography.

84 Luigi  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:05:55pm

Joao Silva and friends wrote a pix book called The Bang-Bang Club about revolution in South Africa. It included this photo of a starving child about to be eaten by a vulture. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] It doesn't say anywhere they did anything for the child, only for themselves by getting the picture.

85 AlexMartinez  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:06:07pm

Speaking of the media did anyone see the googlecurrent crap, had a couple of hezzbollah kids at the American lebanon university saying for a fact that Israel had started this war and GW was to blame too

86 J.D.  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:07:28pm

Despicable.

87 nihilist  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:07:52pm

I wonder how many US journalists followed the NAZIs around while they laid out landmines for the US troops to walk over...

I wonder how many US journalists would have done something so vile and disgusting and immoral back them...?

I am completely and utterly disgusted.

And the NYT photo editor calls this treason "courage".

Oh, boy.

88 realwest  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:08:08pm

#35 varmint -"I wonder how the Drive By Truckers would react if the new how many of their fans were right wing rednecks?" ? I don't understand your comment.

89 upchuck  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:08:33pm

#59 Sorry, can't get link...it's regimeofterror.com

90 saywhat?  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:08:34pm

#60 JrDroll

You don't like Hungarians?

My folks are hungarian and of course I love hunkies - they can be so, how do you say, entertaining when expressive.

Unfortunately, I never learned how to read or write the language - but I never forgot the good stuff I heard when times got rough.

91 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:08:42pm

Of course, just by looking at the photo we can't be sure this guy is shooting at our troops. Maybe the photographer needed something to wrap up his report and called Mohamed over to strike a pose.

//conspiracy theory off

92 Paul  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:09:47pm
A sniper loyal to Shiite clric Moqtada al Sadr fires towards U.S. positions...

Michelle McNally: Right there with the Mahdi army. Incredible courage.

Is Michelle referring to the photgrapher or the sniper? This being the NY Times, it's hard to decide.

93 jpsfudimo  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:10:10pm

atlasshrugged

some pictures of the good folks.

Support our troops & Support those who Support our Troops

Just a few pic's from a PGR Mission

94 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:10:15pm

Probably said before, but you know if the POS behind the camera got killed while taking the picture, the MSM would crucify the soldiers for shooting a reporter.

95 Mike McDaniel  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:10:28pm

Sniper my foot. No sniper worth his salt - hell, anybody with a basic knowledge of rifle marksmanship - knows to keep the barrel off a solid object. It's guaranteed to throw the shot off.

A mistake our snipers do NOT make.

96 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:10:34pm

Call me bad, but I have yet to be upset when I hear that journalists are killed or injured...

97 AmericanGal  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:11:05pm

Well. He's not an American.

And what an amazing whitewash of Iraq:

"In the Company of God" is a photographic compilation that portrays Iraqi Shi'a Muslims in a period of occupation and transition. This photographic body of work, recorded over twelve months, richly captures the Shi'as' intense commitment to their faith and their indomitable spirit of sacrifice.

Yeah. Spirit of sacrifice. But our men and women over there have had...let's see...how many such accolades?

He's a Portugese pimp of war images hiding in South Africa. And the NYT just thinks it pulled a fast one on our country.

98 Stan LS  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:11:17pm

Ofcourse if this guy gets killed, NYT will claim that he was a civilian. Cause you know.. He looks like a civilian.

99 cracker-crusader  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:11:27pm

Like I said, America, you're going to have to decide whether your nation can survive with traitors like this writing your news, or not. If not, you need to take decisive action. And come to think of it, if the FBI considers defending your country from sedition a crime, then they have lost all legitamacy, and have become agents of tyranny as well.

100 scooter  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:12:30pm

#1 sndpaper

The ny times is beneath contempt.

Well, as they always say, "Follow the money". The NYT has one butt-ugly chart:

[Link: stockcharts.com...]

Draw your favorite indicators as you like, however, one thing is clear...investors despise the Times.

'Ronery'...so 'ronery', ugly and unloved.

Oh, well. Whatever. By year end, IMVHO, the NYT will be facing a major smack-down on the part of institutional types (if they're still holding, and it's hard to believe that anyone would). Next year it's BK for the Slime Times.

So sad.

/do I need a 'sarc' tag?...sheesh

101 illegal upchuck  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:13:44pm

Fuck the New York Treason.

102 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:13:59pm

97 AmericanGal

but is he in the employ of the times and actingon their instructions? Or just a freelance asshole?

103 MadHamster  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:14:01pm

What's more impressive is... the NY Times photographer took the the picture with one hand. The other hand was obviously busy holding the extra bullets for the gunman.

104 realwest  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:14:31pm

Goodnight youse'all - hope to see ya tomorrow.

105 DockScience  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:14:48pm

How proud his mother must be.

Is there no depth to which these subhumans will not descend?

106 tigger2005  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:14:51pm

I want that morally bankrupt POS bitch Michelle McNally's e-mail address, STAT.

107 deportman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:14:59pm

Would it matter if the terrorist sniper had Pinche Sulzburger in his sights? Maybe the "Times" would re-think the whole idea of what the mahdi clowns really stand for in this reality. The first casualty of war is the truth. Obviously there isn't any at the "Times".

108 Cartman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:17:49pm

For those who have a feeling that this photo was staged, then let's bring it on! The last shovel of dirt on the Dead Grey Lady. Otherwise, this photograph depicts an American witness to an act of attempted murder by an illegal combatant, and/or a willing accomplice to such an act. Period.

109 mungagungadin  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:18:01pm

excuse me while I throw up

110 Cornish intifada  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:18:26pm

Why isn't the US destroying the Mahdi milita? Why are they pussyfooting around like they did before they finally smashed fallujah?

111 FrogMarch  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:18:42pm

The New York Slimes - DNC media at it's finest.

112 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:19:54pm

#97 AG

great catch on him not being a US citizen! methinks the comments might shift a bit.

but he's still an asshole.

113 AmericanGal  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:20:54pm

#102 SpartanWoman

According to the link I provided, it says, "Joao Silva is a photographer contracted to The New York Times and lives in Johannesburg, South Africa."

So the NYT hired him but if questioned, could slide out of any accusations (as they're so talented at doing) by pointing to Silva's lack of U.S. citizenship.

Personally, I'd love nothing better than to see the NYT sink faster than the Titanic. I absolutely loathe them and their underhanded tactics such as this. I'd love to see their associate photo editor get reamed over it, but I'm sure they already put her name in for a free trip to Lebanon.

Hey. A girl can dream, can't she? ;)

114 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:21:48pm
About the author
Born in Portugal in 1966, Joao Silva is a photographer contracted to The New York Times and lives in Johannesburg, South Africa.

Before joining The New York Times in 1996, Silva worked for the Associated Press and the Johannesburg daily, The Star. He has worked in several central and southern African countries as well as Afghanistan, Croatia, Israel, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia and Sudan.


from link @ #97

115 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:22:26pm
Here’s a site where New York Times photographer Joao Silva is hawking a book about his uncomfortably close friendships with people who want to kill your neighbors:


Too bad the CIA is practically on the other side, this fellow could use the Gerry Bull treatment.

(Charles, you may delete this post if crossed the line.)

116 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:22:31pm

I am not excusing the photographer but, as a former reporter, I can understand the desire to do what he did. I would not follow that desire, though. At some point, I would see that I was an American who happened to be a reporter instead of a reporter who happened to be an American.

117 easy  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:22:38pm

Collateral damage is usually a bad thing.

118 bonz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:22:50pm

Well he's a lefty and with that scope he'd be lucky to anyone beyond 50 feet. Nice proganda foto though

119 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:24:02pm

OT: In the different laws for them category. Concealed Carry is a good thing.
New York panel OKs pistol-packing judges
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

120 Buckaroo  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:24:07pm

CHARLES

This calls for a blogswarm -- H. Hewitt, as you know, has made a cottage industry of exposing the "Two Times'" idiocy, and this is a great example ...

Has this made the rounds at PJM?

121 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:25:14pm

# 113 AmericanGal

Personally, I'd love nothing better than to see the NYT sink faster than the Titanic. I absolutely loathe them and their underhanded tactics such as this.


Oddly enought the NYT actually reported the sinking of the Titanic, other major papaers at the were reporting that the ship was damaged but still afloat.

122 deesine  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:25:27pm

Mr. Silva will have great stories to tell at his swank but humble cocktail parties. Hey Joao, glad you got back Ok.

He'll regale his audience with stories of near-death misses from American artillery. Ooohhh!

He'll spin his seditious behavior like a bad tasting martini. Aahhh.

What a puke! Uuugghh!

123 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:25:53pm

please, again, take note: this guy IS NOT AN AMERICAN! just contracted to an anti-American rag.

let's have educated rants. ;)

124 AmericanGal  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:26:31pm

#112 blue_like_jazz

Agreed. Here's what I don't understand:

On one hand, you have photographers who support this "unbiased and uninvolved" approach to their profession.

But yet they continue to support an industry that insists on interpreting the news instead of just reporting it.

Add that to the many photo-journalists who have declared themselves in effect, "activists" who want to tell the story that no one else is telling...

It's so messed up. I can't understand the bias and the lack of action except for this: They have a vicious hatred for America. When I consider that last thought - everything makes perfect sense.

125 Cartman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:26:52pm

OK, so he's not an American citizen. It's still aid and comfort to an international enemy that recognizes no boundaries. I'm fucking tired of excuses.

126 scathach  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:26:53pm

I am not sure it would hold up in court, but the next of kin of any soldier killed in Najaf who could reasonably have been shot by this pos should sue the NYT for wrongful death. An employee of the NYT, acting within the course of his employment and for the benefit of his employer, aided and abetted murder.

Like I said, it probably would not hold up, but it would be very interesting to here the NYT try and defend the indefensible.

127 Captain Joe  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:27:23pm

The NEW YORK TIMES got there first
[Link: 72.14.209.104...]

128 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:27:34pm

#108 Cartman

For those who have a feeling that this photo was staged, then let's bring it on! The last shovel of dirt on the Dead Grey Lady. Otherwise, this photograph depicts an American witness to an act of attempted murder by an illegal combatant, and/or a willing accomplice to such an act. Period.

It can be both,it looks posed,apparently he's lefthanded,what is he is doing with his right hand?,his barrel rest is wrong.

At least he remembered to put the clip in for the photo.

The Slimes reporter is still glorifying our enemies,staged or not.

They are scum,either way.

129 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:28:46pm

#135 cartman

agreed.

130 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:29:16pm

#106 tigger 2005
e-mail staff@nytimes.com, they e-mail back a list of staff addresses

131 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:29:27pm

#123 blue_like_jazz 7/15/2006 08:25PM PDT
please, again, take note: this guy IS NOT AN AMERICAN! just contracted to an anti-American rag.

let's have educated rants. ;)


But did the Times assist him with contacts and transport?

132 AmericanGal  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:29:30pm

#121 The Other Les

My, how "Times" have changed, eh?

133 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:30:42pm
#114 blue_like_jazz

About the author
Born in Portugal in 1966, Joao Silva is a photographer contracted to The New York Times and lives in Johannesburg, South Africa.

Before joining The New York Times in 1996, Silva worked for the Associated Press and the Johannesburg daily, The Star. He has worked in several central and southern African countries as well as Afghanistan, Croatia, Israel, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia and Sudan.

I didn't read this before I posted a moment earlier. This reporter/photographer owes no duty to America as a citizen as I would feel facing the same temptation to do what he did.

I'm drawing blank if there are any Portuguese/South African troops in the coalition. Maybe this joker believes he's a "citizen of the world" and thereby immune to feelings of patriotism toward any nation.

But, there is the notion of being loyal to an ideology that is anti-death. OTOH, perhaps he believes himself to be above ideology.

In that case, HE'S A USEFUL IDIOT.

134 Thanos  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:30:44pm

Earlier this morning I saw a story where the NYT had gotten a fake anthrax letter scare, analysis proved the white powder to be some innocuous substance like cornstarch. Can't find the darned link now.

135 Cartman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:30:57pm

#123

let's have educated rants. ;)

Thanks for the "seasoned" advice.

/is this still LGF?

136 Aisha  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:31:24pm

Wassallam kafir! Umm Salma (RA) narrates that Rasulallah (SAW) said that "whosoever intends slaughtering an animal should not clip his nails upon sighting the crescent of Dhul Hijah.". The same goes for martyrdom against the Jews. (Abu Dawood p386)

It is therefore mustahabb (commendable) for a person making Quarbaani from the 1st of Zul Hijaah until the slaughtering of the Quarbaani animal, however if the hair under the arms or in the pubic region or around the arse is very long (and which renders the Salaat Makrooh - ie more than 40 days)then it is compulsory to remove such hair. However, if one forgets to clip the nails or cut the arse hair before the 1st of Dhul Hijaah, and they become so long that they may cause injury or make the butt smelly, then one may cut them.

It is outrageous that the media does not tell you kafir this.


Allah Taala knows best.

137 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:31:38pm

#131 SW

I would assume so. Understand I'm not defending this guy OR the NYW *spit*), right? Just trying to get the facts straight.

138 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:31:49pm

I hate dial-up!

139 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:32:38pm

PIMF NYT

140 AmericanGal  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:33:49pm

I agree with SpartanWoman. If the NYT deliberately hired him to take photographs of the enemy of the U.S., even while shooting at our troops - then the NYT should be held responsible. Why should they be excused simply because they hired some Portugese/South African photographer?

I'd love to see a swarm of hornets descend upon the NYT, but in my heart of hearts, I wonder if they'd even respond. They are the high priests of Moonbatdom over there.

141 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:33:58pm

Thank you, Aisha.

Nice to know. :)

142 scathach  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:34:13pm

136 Aisha

Greetings. Yes it is a tragedy that the NYT is too busy showing pictures of murderous thugs to tell us Infdel Kafir such crucial info.

Thanks for the laugh.

143 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:34:49pm

#137 blue_like_jazz

Me too. So how much did the NYT know about his whereabouts and what sort of contacts with the mahdi army did/does the NYT have?

I have no experience with this but I doubt you can get in with this crowd (and out again) without knowing the right people. What did Ms Mcnally do to help out here?

144 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:34:50pm

Aisha
Would you be related to this Abu Dawood?

145 Buckaroo  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:36:09pm

# 133 MM

IIRC, Portugal has a small contingent in the coalition -- they have certainly been a steadfast ally in the WoT ...

SA is on the sidelines as far as I know ...

146 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:37:13pm

#143 SW

good questions. it's all very shady, to say the very least.

147 scathach  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:37:16pm

84 Luigi

Just checked out the link - thanks for the nightmares.

That picture confirms that these photographers have not humanity.

148 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:37:40pm

145 Buckaroo
Increasingly, SA ia anti-Israel, actually. Terrible.

149 Catttt  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:37:49pm

134 Thanos

To be fair, those are becoming pretty common. Monkey see/monkey do - every loony in the country with some cornstarch is sending them out. They are annoying and timewasting, but that's better than if they were the real thing.

150 Evan from NZ  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:38:03pm

Meshugas at "Lenin's Tomb":

Blah, blah... Western media is pro-Israel because Israelis are white and western and Palestinians are brown and therefore expendable... blah, blah... Israel is violating Lebanon's sovereignty... blah, blah... state terrorism...

Groupthink, gotta love it.

151 joshlbetts  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:38:05pm

Why isn't this treason?

152 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:38:23pm

#136 Aisha
You sure know how to entice the infidel men to revert.
;)

153 Buckaroo  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:38:57pm

# 148 S P

Yeah, I know, i was trying to be polite & optimistic ...
:-(

154 Carridine  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:39:49pm

You want dedication, courage and martyrdom REALLY?

Investigate what happened at Fort Shaykh Tabarsi!

THAT was martyrdom!

155 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:40:20pm

Help! I do not understand this.

Breslov Hassidim Distribute ‘Tikun Klali’ Prayer in the North
05:49 Jul 16, '06 / 20 Tammuz 5766

(IsraelNN.com) Hundreds of hassidim, followers of the teachings of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, on Saturday night began distributing specially printed copies of the ‘Tikun Klali’ prayer that they recite daily.

Leading the campaign is Breslov hassid Binyamin Ze’evi, a son of assassinated government minister, Rechavam Ze’evi.

156 bonz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:40:45pm

136 Aisha
Must be getting cold Down under. Aisha is forced to retreat from the beach

157 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:41:37pm

C'mon you redstate redneck neocon warmogers; Who knows what this prick is shootin' with?

158 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:42:03pm

153 Buckaroo
Oh, ok. I am sorry :(

This sucks.

159 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:42:16pm

Speaking of the media

Foreign media scramble to win over Arab viewers

Lawrence Pintak, director of the American University in Cairo's Adhem Center for Electronic Journalism, said...

"The BBC brings a lot of credibility," he said, citing the track record of the BBC's Arabic radio service, for decades a listening habit for Arabs seeking independent news...
Ali Abunimah, who runs Electronic Intifada (electronicintifada.net) to promote Palestinian views on the Middle East conflict:
Foreign media eyeing the Arab world should complement their coverage with "an honest acknowledgment of what is at the root of the divisions -- anger at the policy choices of Western governments and intolerance in Western societies," he said.

Classic projection.

160 scathach  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:42:58pm

The fact that the photo-slime is not an American citizen means that he is not guilty of treason against the US (against Portugal, now that is another question).

I am too tired to contemplate it right now, but tomorrow I intend to do some research on the extent to which the NYT can be held liable for the actions of its employee. Generally, a corporation is liable for the acts of its employees, if the employee is acting within the scope of their employment and in furtherance of the employer's objectives - here, because the NYT used the photo, the photoslime's actions may be imputable to the NYT. I am sure the NYT will say he is just a contractor, but this would make a very interesting case.

161 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:43:05pm
162 Amalie  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:43:21pm

Someone call for an uneducated rant?

The NYTimes has not given its Official Seal Of Approval over the war in Iraq.

The NYTimes is partisan and believes itself a "hero" in these days of "fascism."

But then again one of our Senators who was chosen to run on the top of the Presidential ticket for the Democrats met not once, but twice with the enemy in Paris during the Vietnam War. This man also sat before a Senate "Hearing" testifying that our soldiers were raping babies, killing innocent villagers, and mutilating bodies. Kerry knew he was lying. Kerry went on to serve for over two decades in our Senate.

This, is how our country works.

163 Thanos  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:43:46pm

Charles,

You might want to look into this at the Observer.

164 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:43:58pm

Olmert & Peretz Visit IDF’s Northern Command
05:05 Jul 16, '06 / 20 Tammuz 5766

(IsraelNN.com) Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz on Saturday night visited IDF Northern Command Headquarters located in Tzfat (Safed).

The two senior ministers were briefed on the current situation and they met with officers assigned to the command post.

Lol, Daisy's Trout

Tired trout

165 Amalie  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:44:20pm

One more point. The LLL claim there are two "America's." They are right, the Times is the "other" America.

166 wanumba  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:44:36pm

Up to 150 comments and nobody mentioned the title: In the Company of God
Not God, In the Company of Baal perhaps.

167 Cartman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:45:03pm

#157 killgore

C'mon you redstate redneck neocon warmogers; Who knows what this prick is shootin' with?

Looks like an SKS with a paintball scope. ;)

168 Malleus Dei  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:45:10pm

I can remember back before when the media was seized by the Leftists, back when the media was actually on our side.

169 varmint  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:45:40pm

#157 Killgore Trout 7/15/2006 08:41PM PDT

C'mon you redstate redneck neocon warmogers; Who knows what this prick is shootin' with?


dragunov

170 Thanos  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:45:53pm

Well folks, I've had enough this day. See you on the morrow.

171 AlexMartinez  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:46:00pm

I'll ask again did anyone see google/current today? Had a couple of hezbollah guys from the American University of lebanon on. They stated for fact with no rebuttal that Israel started this war unprovoked, and George Bush put the Israelies up to it.

172 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:46:23pm

# 157

An Soviet SVD sniper rifle, also known as the Dragonov.

It's still being manufactured in Russia.

173 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:46:42pm

#164 St. Pancake
Tired, yet handsome. I won't last long tonight.

174 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:48:31pm

Night, Thanos

Alex
I did not see it. Have a linky?

Trout
*smile*
Fatherhood does that to you.

175 AlexMartinez  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:48:40pm

Its 7.62 by 54 rite

176 bonz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:48:42pm

#157 Killgore Trout
Russian Dragunov SVD

177 Evan from NZ  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:48:59pm

I've already posted this but it seems relevent here - it never ceases to amaze me how some on the far left actually believe that the media is pro-Israel:

Welcome to Sharpville:

Quotes of the Day
“Photography is unable to capture the flies, or the thick white smell of death. Nor can it tell you about the little hops you have to make when walking from one corpse to the next.”

Jean Genet, walking among the bodies of dead civilians in Beirut, after the last major Israeli “incursion” in 1982. From Jean Genet (Trans. Jeff Fort), The Declared Enemy: Texts and Interviews (2004), p. 210.


“What George Bush knows about Palestine can be engraved on the head of a pin.”

Edward W. Said, Culture and Resistance (2003), p. 135.


David Wearing, in a sober assessment of the meaning of 7/7, accuses the Blair government of pursuing policies that are increasing the threat of terrorist attacks on Britain. More on such matters here and here.

Blair calls for calm. But calm in the Middle East ended back in the 1920s, when the RAF began a terrorist campaign in Iraq, dropping bombs on Iraqi civilians. Terrorism using high explosive in the Middle East is a European export. Edward Said again:

It’s a very ugly conflict and has been since the twenties, when the Zionists in effect introduced terrorism into Palestine. It was one of the standard techniques of the early groups of Zionist extremists, in the 1920s, who put bombs in Arab marketplaces to terrorize the population.
(Op. Cit. p. 34)

Hezbollah rocket lands [harmlessly, as it happens] in the Israeli city of Haifa! But violent attacks have happened here before, of course.

Context. History. Something the BBC and the rest of the mass media never supplies.

As you can see, Sharp isn't biased in the least, getting his information from such dispassionate voices of reason as Edward Said and Palestineremembered.com.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Anything Hezbollah or the Palestinians do is noble and justified. Whatever Israel does (even just existing) is a war crime.

Again, all groupthink and no individual analysis.

178 terri g  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:49:43pm

Disgusting!

179 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:50:23pm

American Jews mobilize for Israel

The American Jewish community has been demonstrating wall-to-wall support for Israel as it fights on two fronts. Major Jewish organizations have backed Israel's actions and are considering a community-wide emergency fund-raising effort.

The United Jewish Communities (UJC), which represents 55 Jewish federations and 400 independent Jewish communities across North America, has already provided $1 million via the Jewish Agency that will be used to send children from communities near the northern border to youth villages in the central region.

The UJC is considering embarking on a special fund-raising campaign, similar to the Israel Emergency Campaign that raised more than $360m. during the second intifada.

180 eric_odessit  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:50:32pm

Can you imagine a US journalist sitting next to a German sniper shooting American soldiers during WW2?
Eric.

181 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:50:59pm

amalie, those aren't uneducated rants at all; factual, back-uppable rants=always awesome.

182 Amalie  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:51:29pm

180 Eric

This is what I think too. Just boggles the mind.

183 AmericanGal  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:51:59pm

You know, Michele McNally is an ambitious one, but I don't care for her philosophy:

McNally credits Keller, as well as new managing editors Jill Abramson and John Geddes, with giving more space to photography in paper and allowing more sophisticated and graphic images to be published regularly.

"The pictures are being allowed to speak," says McNally. "There's a recognition that photography can do more of the work of journalism, that pictures offer another way of telling a story and interpreting events."

And there you have it. It doesn't matter how many insurgents are firing away at our troops, it isn't telling the story that McNallay wants told.

And by the way, she didn't want the usual title of her newly promoted position of "picture editor." In her interviews with Keller, McNally says, "I asked for a different title and a different reporting line—I wanted to report to the executive editor."

I suppose this serves as a notice warning that we're in for more B.S. pseudo-coverage of Iraq.

184 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:52:07pm

Israel acting in self-defence, says Howard

Prime Minister John Howard has blamed Hezbollah for starting the current crisis between Lebanon and Israel, saying the group provoked the Jewish state into "self-defence" by going across the border and seizing soldiers.
Speaking on the ABC's Insiders program, Mr Howard echoed comments by the US President George W Bush, who said the violence started because Hezbollah kidnapped two soldiers.

"You could hardly have had a more provocative act," said Mr Howard.

He says Hezbollah is the "plaything of Syria", and that he understands the Israeli position.

"Much as I deplore the violence ... one has to understand Israel's position, Israel has the right of self-defence," he said.

"This country has been under constant attack for almost 50 years, since it was founded, and there is still an unwillingness on the part of many in the region to accept Israel's right to exist.
"Until there is unconditional acceptance, and also an unconditional acceptance by others of the need for a Palestinian state, separate to Israel of course, we're never going to have any lasting settlement."

185 AlexMartinez  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:52:15pm

no linky st.Pan caught it by accident, yelled at the tv, wife says i gotta quit watchin the nuzzze.

186 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:52:40pm

#172 The Other Les , #162
Really? the NYT pic has a wooden handstalk (not sure if that's the right term) and a banana clip (not sure about right words again), the Dragunov seems a bit different.
/In case you can't tell I'm not a gun person

187 Stan LS  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:53:53pm

Eric odessit,

Odessa represent :)

188 Cartman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:54:03pm

Well, I stand corrected. All developed by the same dude. I should have recognized that the barrel was longer. Time to slink off to bed and dream of better days to come.

G'nite, fellow Lizards!

189 Carridine  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:54:08pm

Hey, Kilgore! SAVOR and DELIGHT in every moment of your New Human's life with you! It won't last long, and changing poop-filled diapers after bottle-feeding (should be breast-feeding, but that's a different thread) is how YOU SAY "I love you, Little One!"

Enjoy! Every fleeting moment!

190 George Ford  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:54:21pm

So you're saying McNally's comments weren't sarcasm?[/jackie mason]

191 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:54:52pm
#168 Malleus Dei 7/15/2006 08:45PM PDT
I can remember back before when the media was seized by the Leftists, back when the media was actually on our side.

I like a press that is not fettered by chains of allegiance to any party/cause. I do not want a media that is dedicated to propping up the American Way.

That said, this goes beyond allegiance to a party/cause. This goes to--perhaps--the very survival of Western Civilization.

OTOH, perhaps it's good that the world can see how these fuckers operate. The pictured fucker wears no uniform which means that he belongs to no legitimate army.

There ARE good things that can be gleaned from this situation.

192 mich-again  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:55:26pm

The detail that jumps out to me is this..

The pictures in this book are not displayed in a chronological order, but...

Its not a coincidence that chronology is absent just as it is from the Kor*n. Maybe its a tell from the author that he considers his work somehow "divine" as well.

And while most all coffee-table photography books lack any sort of chronology, none I've seen ever made the effort to point that out. Duh! Who would even expect chronology in this kind of garbage?

Nope, the a-hole is just trying to let us know how much he thinks of himself and his stupid f*ing photos. Hopefully, irony will prevail and his last photo will be of a missile coming through the wall of his sniper pal's window.

193 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:56:05pm

Lebanon: U.S. blocking call for cease-fire

Lebanon accused the United States on Saturday of blocking a U.N. Security Council statement calling for a cease-fire between Israel and Hezbollah, saying the impotence of the United Nations' most powerful body sent the wrong signal to small countries and the Arab world.But Argentina's U.N. Ambassador Cesar Mayoral said the United States objected to any statement and Britain opposed calling for a cease-fire.

The U.S. and Britain want to wait for the outcome of this weekend's Group of Eight meeting in Russia, an Arab League foreign ministers meeting, and a mission sent to the Middle East by Secretary-General Kofi Annan, Mayoral and other diplomats said.
France's U.N. Ambassador Jean-Marc de La Sabliere, the current council president, confirmed "there was no agreement on a text tonight, but we will meet on Monday."
In another development, Undersecretary-General for Peacekeeping Jean-Marie Guehenno told reporters that Israel had rescinded a directive that would have restricted the movements of the 2,000-strong U.N. peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon, blocking it from carrying out its observer mission.

Anyone know anything about this knucklhead Jean-Marie's statement?

194 Amalie  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:56:37pm

181 blue_like_jazz

Thanks..

The media brought down a sitting President, Nixon, a Republican. They have been in a decades long contest to do it again. It's their life, their dreams, to be the next Woodward and Bernstein.

No one has been arrested for being a traitor, at least not a politician nor a reporter for quite a while. I can't even think of one you would have to go that far back.

195 SmithL  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:57:07pm

The Times, like much of the Legacy Media likes to make comparisons between Vietnam and Iraq. What is consistent is Legacy Media's siding with America's enemies.

196 ratherdashing  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:59:01pm

I'd like to know the date of this photo and maybe do some timeline checking. But, I believe the fight in the cemetary in Najaf was when Mookie made his push for power in Najaf in mid 2004. His Mahdi Army left town without weapons in a mass evacuation of sorts after taking considerable losses. If so, why does the NYT publish it now? That fight is old news.

197 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 6:59:12pm
No one has been arrested for being a traitor, at least not a politician nor a reporter for quite a while. I can't even think of one you would have to go that far back.

and it's a damn shame, i tell ya.

198 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:00:10pm

Lol, Killgore
Kitty fatherhood

Again, some news from China. Had not heard of this one.
Syria denies Israel has bombed military targets

A Syrian Information Ministry official dismissed reports that Israel had bombed its military targets on Saturday as baseless, the state-run television reported.

The Qatar-based al-Jazeera television reported earlier that Israeli warplanes struck four military bases on the Syrian side of the border with Lebanon.

According to the Lebanese police, Israeli warplanes fired four missiles on Saturday in the no-man area between the Lebanese Masnaa border crossing and the Syrian border town of Jadideh Yabouth.

199 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:00:29pm

#186 Killgore Trout

Really? the NYT pic has a wooden handstalk (not sure if that's the right term) and a banana clip (not sure about right words again), the Dragunov seems a bit different.


Well, the new rifles come with black plastic furnature. Back in the old days the Soviet military as a rule tried to keep weapon designs as simple as possible using very basic materials for ease of manufacturing under wartime conditions. They expected to survive a nuclear strike and to fight the subsequent conventional war to a conclusion.

200 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:00:56pm

Yet another MSM orgy of self-congratulation.

"In this photograph, you can see Michelle Mcnally felching Silva's anus -- incredible courage."

Just incredible. It's amazing that this bimbo from the editorial department finds it necessary to actually tell you Silva has "incredible courage", because you are too unworthy to form your own conclusion.

Of cousrse, when a Marine falls on grenade, it isn't covered. Because Marines are the enemy. Because the NYTimes are traitors.

201 mich-again  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:01:40pm

Apologizing for the PIMF's. Well anyway, you know what I meant with all that.

Man I leave town for a few days and all hell breaks loose.

202 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:02:36pm

Britain opposed calling for a cease-fire?

Good.

Not that I think the UN is competent. A UN resolution and Metrocard can get you on the bus. But I actually prefer the UN to be useless, would anyone really want to feel bound by their "resolutions"?

203 Carridine  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:03:16pm

#196- RatherDashing- "old news"? THAT's why the NYT publishes this rancid propaganda NOW... to make it look like the Peaceful Pigs of Purgatory WON at Najaf, rub it in that we DIDN'T kill Mookie, and sneer at America with these pix.

Straigthforward, yes?

204 infidel4life  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:04:52pm

Just the fact that jihadis would even allow a NYT photog to "observe" their operations is a pretty good indication that, indeed, the NYT is not neutral in this war.

205 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:05:20pm
206 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:05:26pm

I like that Jeff Goldstein's ideas about courage.

207 St. Pancake  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:05:42pm

Damascus offers help, solidarity

SYRIA will put its resources at the disposal of Lebanon to help cope with Israeli attacks devastating the country, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad told Lebanese President Emile Lahoud by phone overnight.

The official news agency SANA said Asshole Assad expressed solidarity with Lebanon, where Israeli bombing has killed around 100 civilians since Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border operation on Wednesday.
It was the first comment by Mr Assad since the confrontation began between Israel and Hezbollah, which is backed by Syria and Iran.

SANA did not say whether Mr SOB Assad discussed Hezbollah during the telephone call with Mr Lahoud and gave no details on what kind of help he was offering.

208 easy  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:06:36pm

#199 The Other Les

They expected to survive a nuclear strike and to fight the subsequent conventional war to a conclusion.


I assume the rag tied around the scope is a local adaptation.

209 Ackomanyuki  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:07:09pm

#95 Mike McDaniel

Sniper my foot. No sniper worth his salt - hell, anybody with a basic knowledge of rifle marksmanship - knows to keep the barrel off a solid object. It's guaranteed to throw the shot off.

Yeah, My thoughts too. I figure that barrel being deflected upward by that twelve pound rifles weight ought to raise his POI from the scope POA to between 2 to 4 MOA.

I can pull my Tula SKS 4 MOA to port if I really draw up hard offhand in a hasty sling.

210 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:08:29pm

Don't the photographers sometimes travel with reporters? Was this Silva alone or did he have an accomplice during this show of "courage"?

211 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:08:50pm
212 Carridine  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:09:14pm

Sometimes my mind wanders... off into bizarre scenarios... where I see myself photographing this murderous mook aiming out the window at American troops, then I pull out my silenced .38 and send him to his raisins...

Ahhh, well...

213 mich-again  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:11:06pm

205 Rayra

We were in Chicago this past week and I read a story in their fishwrap about how the Tribune Co. was losing circulation, profits were divebombing, and layoffs looming.

The newspaper industry is evaporating.

214 nofreelunch  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:12:38pm

How about this?

Get the list of NYT subscribers and make each of them an offer:

1. In place of your NYT, you will receive a paper bag of shit each day for 1/2 the price.
2. You'll save money and you'll still be getting shit on paper.

215 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:12:55pm

Morning everyone just got back from visiting the wifffeee and she says HI and {}{}'s

Rayra, Cartman, realwest, Swampy and others thanks for continuing the thrashing of sheik abooboo.

216 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:13:42pm
217 vapig  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:14:44pm

jaw-drops/shaking head in disbelief

waking up and not surprised - from the same paper that probably has bin-laden on their subscriber list.

218 Ackomanyuki  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:17:01pm

Carradine,

Did you get my comment over at brain surgery about the mashrik ul adzkar. I saw the same thing there back in the early 90's?

219 Carridine  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:19:03pm

"The low casualty differential of Babis during the battles of Sheikh Tabarsi coupled with their non-existent military training and experience is quite startling. In one of the battles seventy believers were killed in one night.

After dawn it became evident that the government forces had suffered 400 dead and 1000 injured. The dead included 35 colonels. Abbas-Gholi Khan Larijani arranged for the removal of the bodies to nearby town of Amol for burial. As soon as the news got to Bar-Furoosh, the local Mulla [Saeed-ul-Ulama] became frightened and assumed that the Babis will soon invade the town. He quickly paid for a private army to guard his private residence. (8)

The high morale of Babis and their willingness to be martyred contrasted starkly with the behaviour of the Ulama who were provoking the public against them."

The media are STILL provoking the public AGAINST all who seek freedom and self-determination in this Day!

220 Ledger1  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:21:21pm

Clearly, the NYT is shilling for the enemy.

I would suggest:

If you have a subscription to the NYT or WoPo - Cancel it.

If your family has a subscription to the NYT - Cancel it.

Boycott products advertised in the NYT.

In fact, write the manufactures who advertise in the NYT and tell them to quit giving advertising dollars to the NYT.

Shun all persons who work for the NYT.

Encourage the White House to revoke "press-credentials" of NYT employees.

Do not provide any support of NYT employees in Iraq or Afghanistan.

If you own stock in the NYT - sell it (ticker NYT on the NYSE).

If you feel the NYT is in less than perfect financial condition - sell short NYT shares.

Or, buy puts option on the NYT or sell call options on the NYT

Or see NYT options

221 Ackomanyuki  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:23:14pm

Are you paraphrasing or is that from G-d Passes By or nabil's Narrartive.

222 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:26:18pm
223 Catttt  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:26:19pm

I'm totally in agreement with Mr. Goldstein on this.

Mr. Silva is very good at insinuating himself in with groups of people then photographing them the way he does. However, I wonder what he feels about having no loyalties to anything but his camera? He doesn't seem to be struggling with a conscience.

His fellow "Big Bang Club" photographer, Kevin Carter, won a Pulitzer for this photograph, taken in March 1993 in Sudan. The photo was sold to the New York Times, and it appeared there on March 26, 1993. A firestorm of people contacted the paper and Mr. Carter, wanting to know what happened to the little girl being followed by a vulture. No one knew. Mr. Carter had chased the vulture away and watched the girl make it to a feeding station, and that was it, so no one knew.

Mr. Carter had wrestled with the idea of photographing such things. About "necklacing" executions in South Africa, he said "I was appalled at what they were doing. I was appalled at what I was doing. But then people started talking about those pictures... then I felt that maybe my actions hadn't been at all bad. Being a witness to something this horrible wasn't necessarily such a bad thing to do."

Or maybe it was. Mr. Carter killed himself in April 1994.

Part of his suicide note: "I am haunted by the vivid memories of killings & corpses & anger & pain ... of starving or wounded children, of trigger-happy madmen, often police, of killer executioners..."

Quotes and picture from the Wiki piece on Mr. Carter.

224 Pastorius  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:30:35pm

Is this guy an American citizen?

Can we please put him on trial for treason?

225 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:31:16pm
226 Pastorius  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:32:46pm

Having read the story of Mr. Carter, we can only hope that Silva is saddled with the same kind of guilt.

I don't ask that he kill himself, though. Just that he ask for forgiveness.

227 descolada9  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:32:53pm

I have the overwhelming desire to retch

228 Catttt  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:39:07pm

#224 Pastorius

No. He was born in Born in Lisbon, Portugal, and he lives in Johannesburg, South Africa.

229 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:39:43pm
230 biff  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:43:16pm

#133 MandyManners 7/15/2006
Maybe this joker believes he's a "citizen of the world" and thereby immune to feelings of patriotism toward any nation.
...
In that case, HE'S A USEFUL IDIOT.

More to the point, a legitimate target.

231 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:43:32pm
232 greenmiler  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:47:36pm
A sniper loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al Sadr fires towards U.S. positions in the cemetery in Najaf, Iraq.

Michele McNally: “Right there with the Mahdi army. Incredible courage.”


correct caption; NYT's photographer Silva does nothing as a Mahdi aims at a Marines head.

233 Orson Buggy  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:50:39pm

NY times sucks jihadi ass.

Fuck the NY Times.

234 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:51:19pm
#151 joshlbetts 7/15/2006 08:38PM PDT
Why isn't this treason?

Huh? Why should it be? He's not a citizen of America. And, even if he were, what would be the elements of the crime of "treason"?

235 Orson Buggy  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:53:56pm

I hope the SOB in the pic dies soon. In Iraq there are two types of paople, those who want freedom and those who want bondage.

Let then all suck lead who want to be bound to "allah" who is a false god.

236 AlexMartinez  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:54:41pm

#225 rayra almost fell asleep! All I was asking was? Did anyone else see this crap on google/current or was I dreaming. Because when Israel starts kicking ass, it seems even the American press helps out old mo too.

237 biff  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:54:51pm

Treason - aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war.

238 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:55:45pm

Why not stop with the knee-jerk reactions and figure out how this photo-op can be interpreted into a chance to deal a nasty blow to the IslamoFascists?

Stop with the bombast. Look at the photograph. Analyze.

239 Ackomanyuki  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:56:46pm

Per the #35 and susequent IDs here is my redneck two cents

Iraqi made SVD variant Al Kadiseh. Very desireable for collectors and near impossible to get now that they have for the most been ground to bits.


Scroll down for a comparison between it the SVD and the Romanian Variant. The Romanian uses a totally different locking system than the other two (notice the recievers top covers rear angle as it uses an elongated Kalashnikov type bolt and spring which the SVD doesn't IIRC) and the Iraqis have a different trigger group than the SVD. They are all not interchangable, and the Yugos vary too due to it being designed for the 7.92 Mauser

240 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:57:08pm

He is one ugly son-of-a-bitch, ain't he?

241 Orson Buggy  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:58:07pm

#231 rayra
The asshole is probably aiming at nothing, just like the Jordyptian crap photos fron Israel.

Still, mayhe roast in hell and that right soon.

Bastards, yeah I mean the NY Times.

242 greenmiler  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 7:58:38pm

I wish Silva would have had the courage to have been 6 inches behind Rachel Corrie

243 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 8:03:51pm

MandyManners

Oh my gosh! I should have looked closer, he's only praying!

244 greenmiler  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 8:05:20pm

richly captures the Shi’as’ intense commitment to their faith and their indomitable spirit of sacrifice.

Think this isn't pure bullshit bias.. ?
Try imagining them replacing the word Shi’as’ with Israel...yeah right!

245 addison  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 8:07:40pm

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but an interesting aspect of the picture is that the photographer is capturing a clear violation of the Geneva Treaty (non-uniformed, unless jogging pants count as fatigues, firing from a civilian dwelling).

And were this chap killed while photographing snipers, et al., with, say, an artillery strike on the position, Eason Jordan would show up and say he was "targetted" by the US Army.

246 Ackomanyuki  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 8:12:21pm

More on the Al Kadiseh, for what its worth.

The media always gets it wrong so why should we. Although the picture of the shitwad taking potshots at our troops is too indistinct to make a determination if it is truly an SVD, or one of the similar weapons its design inspired, lets not be as quick to folly as they.

/Enough gun nut pedantry from me for now.

247 ScottG  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 8:23:53pm

"The Media Are the Enemy?"

I've said it before and I'll say it again. They are the Enemy Press. They should be treated as such.

248 poteen  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 8:35:01pm

About the pictures
The pictures in this book are not displayed in a chronological order but rather in a manner that best illustrates a narrative about faith, sacrifice, war and martyrdom. They were taken while on assignment for The New York Times, from July 30 to November 3, 2003, from January 16 till April 1, 2004, from June16 until August 30, 2004, and again from January 18, 2005 until March 31, 2005.

Welcome to martyrdom, losin' sucks.

249 mardukhai  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 8:44:21pm

The guy with the Dragunov certainly isn't a trained sniper.

Notice that he's firing into the sun? He really wants to be seen!

250 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 8:56:50pm

That whirring sound you hear is Ernie Pyle spinning in his grave.

Would the NY Slimes publish it if the next image in the series was of this jihadi f*ck slumped against the wall with a 30 caliber hole between his eyes?

251 aaron  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 9:03:44pm
The Media Are the Enemy

Exactly. Govern yourselves accordingly.

252 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 9:21:57pm

I'd like to see this son of a bitch (the NYT photog) take a direct hit from an Abrams, or an Apache.

253 American Jewess in Jerusalem  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 9:42:20pm

It doesn't matter that this guy is a Portugese pig rather than an American pig; we all know that there are thousands of American leftie photographers who would have done the same thing.

There is nothing of value to be gained from "analyzing" this picture. The point is that a human being who works for a major American newspaper stood passively by while a murder was being planned and potentially committed. I understand the role of the photo-journalist as an observer, and that he is often not in a position to intervene effectively in violent conflicts that he witnesses. Duh. But this whole article is so self-congratulatory and says nothing at all about the photographer's horror at watching this sniper take aim, or his internal conflict at not knowing what to do to prevent the inevitable, or his anxiety and feelings of helplessness. Nothing. Nothing to indicate that he is, in fact, a normal human being. Did the photographer return to base and notify authorities of the sniper's location, at the very least? We don't know because we aren't told -- it's "not the point" apparently.

About the NYT, didn't we just have a post recently about their stocks falling and their financial woes? Any more info on this? Is it evidence that they are losing their American readership due to their politics, or merely a sign that all paper presses are having a struggle against the competition of internet news sources?

254 bluegrass boy  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 11:05:16pm

nothing wrong here...just out for a stroll and saw some youth shooting for fun...

man,...it would be cool if maybe he'd come hunting with me and some of my friends and take some candid shots of our muzzle flashes up close where you could really feel the intensity of the action,...whats his email and address,...id like to invite him

255 Egfrow  Sat, Jul 15, 2006 11:51:05pm

What type of sick mentality can go

from this:Fallujah
to this: Vietnam

Or from this: Iwojima
to this: Vietnam again

All of the in sequence. What are you telling us NYT? We already know the NYT hate Amererika and are pretty much Communists bastards!

256 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 12:05:31am

Keller and company just won't give-it-a-rest:

It is only now, nearly five years after Sept. 11, that the full picture of the Bush administration’s response to the terror attacks is becoming clear. Much of it, we can see now, had far less to do with fighting Osama bin Laden than with expanding presidential power.

The Real Agenda of the Times: Destroy both the President and the US.

Damnit...prosecute these bastards, I could can less for their opinions but for what future damage they'll do.

257 richdavis53  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 2:07:23am

I heard after the assassin finished shooting at Americans, the photographer gave him a "happy ending".

Bitch

258 deegee  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 2:18:37am

The caption is everything.

A sniper loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al Sadr fires towards U.S. positions in the cemetery in Najaf, Iraq.

Let's look at what we really see.
I see a man on both knees (correct firing position?) sqinting through telescopic sights. His right hand is on the butt of the rifle (correct firing position?). He is is an unidentifiable, empty room (Why is the room so bare?). Neither the cemetary nor the U.S. positions he is supposedly firing at are visible.

Could this be another Pallywood production?

259 Roger  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 2:35:40am

In the Company of God?

How do the godless ascertain this?

260 Napier  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 2:36:17am

The media mentality is also revealed at the blog of the World's Worst Columnist, the sarcasm/lovely and talented/sarcasm Antonia Zerbisias, where she says that "journos are getting fired on in Israel" [central Gaza is in Israel? Gee, thanks Fat Tony], with links to a story about a Fox film crew broadcasting the location of IDF units that had a burst of gunfire land near it, assumption being that IDF fired at them to disperse them. Good thing if they did.

261 JonB  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 2:45:23am

I won't shed a single tear if that photographer is blown to bits by an American militay assault. He deserves it.

262 6patrick6  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 2:58:29am
Right there with the Mahdi army. Incredible courage

Courage, my ass. Seditious, hell yeah, it is! Courageous; fat chance!

#96 sparten woman --- You have it dead-on! When a so-called journalist gets taken out in this war, I actually don't care, somehow...That might be perverse or sick to a few of you, but when they catch a bullet that was intended for our troops, my thought is that they saved a soldier's life in that instance only. But, of course, when a journalist gets killed in this war, the media goes apeshit, get all apoplectic about it, and stomp and uvulate for a few days about it. When our soldiers get killed, where is their concern then? To them, our soldiers are simply a number to be reported; to be tallied. Sick bastards.

263 Spiritualized  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 3:15:59am
"Until there is unconditional acceptance, and also an unconditional acceptance by others of the need for a Palestinian state, separate to Israel of course, we're never going to have any lasting settlement."

Shame John Howard had to spoil his little speech with the above. Why is there a "need" for a "Palestinian" state? There should be less Islamic terror states, why is even the sane half of the world so enamoured with creating the 56th Muslim theocracy?

264 BigZ  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 3:32:20am

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.

265 tigger2005  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 3:42:30am

Bring on American Civil War 2. We desperately need to clean out the treasonous vermin (or the verminous traitors), starting with the NYT.

266 Peacekeeper  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 4:16:47am

A moral abomination. Lucky for them they live under the despotism of Bush Cheney Hitler: If a paper had tried this under George Washington, they'd have all been hanged.

267 Teacherlady  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 4:29:19am

What next, Jane Fonda on an anti-aircraft station?

And wouldn't it be nice if the NYT got this starry-eyed about Christians' and Jews' "firm commitment to their faith" instead of constantly screeching about the dangers of Christian and Jewish "fundamentalism"?

268 SlothB77  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 4:35:31am

i wonder if he actually saw someone kill an american soldier? If he was right there as one of ours was taken out?

269 just another infidel  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 4:50:46am

Come on snipers
let's get to it
strike a pose there's nothing to it


vogue...vogue...vogue...
/sarc

270 BigZ  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 5:00:43am

Mark Steyn puts it very bluntly in his column today:

That's a much more cunning and effective strategy than sending a fellow in a suit to concoct a plan in his name. We need to learn from the Iranians. We need to wage war on the ideology, because until we do, the reality is that the Middle East's fetid "stability," its demography, its remorseless nuclearization and proxy militarization all favor Israel's and our enemies.

© Mark Steyn, 2006

Looks like the NYT would be a great place to start. Every week, they seem to try harder and harder to instigate it.

271 mayweed  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 5:11:09am

The only thing remotely surprising about the above story is that anybody is still surprised. The MSM (or most of it) hardly even bothers to try to conceal its loyalty to the enemy these days. There's going to be a LOT worse to come from them yet. We haven't seen the half of it.

272 pediomelum  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 5:17:01am

I believe that the NYT's editors should be executed for treason for the damage that they have done to our counter-terrorism operations for revealing secrets. I loathe the MSM for its PC BS, and I would like to see it changed. For this reason, it deeply saddens me that we attack the justified actions of the MSM and in the process discredit our more important attacks by make ourselves look stupid and intolerant, as we are doing here. We are in a propaganda war and we are going to lose if we don't pick our targets better than we do here at LGF. While this issue is not as bad as attacking the Washington Post for its op-ed by Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas leader of the Palestinian Authority, it is only slightly less losing of a move. Most people would realize that if the photographer tried to stop the anti-American shotting, he would never get to photograph the islamiloon terrorists in action again.
Anyway, we have such good things to criticize in the MSM. Why not focus on the really treasonous actions of the NYT? Why not talk about the reluctance of the MSM to call terrorists "terrorists"? Why not talk about how the MSM portrays Hezbollah terrorists, Hamas terrorists as victims and Israelis as brutal aggressors? Why not talk about the dishonesty productions of Paliwood?

Why do we feel compelled to attack MSM on losing issues when we have so many winning ones? Let's us remember we are responsible for the battles we pick.

273 The Albatross  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 5:20:43am

That Wikipedia pic referenced here from the Bang Bang Club broke my heart. It is truely the most horrific thing I have ever seen.

I would imagine after emersion in so much suffering and violence... it would turn a human heart into stone and turn a human mind in on itself.

274 Daisy  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 5:20:50am

NY TImes: Ad agency for Islamists and Other Leftists.
Al Jazeera: Same thing ...

275 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 5:21:29am
276 Daisy  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 5:23:23am

#259 Roger

"In the Company of God?

How do the godless ascertain this?"

Succinct.

277 poteen  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 5:37:38am

What would Ernie Pyle do?

278 CosmicPatriot  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 5:56:33am

"Yes, just put down your Drugunov for a moment . . . let me show you my Makarov."

Photography can be a form of art which enriches the human experience. Here we have an example of someone who neither excels as an artist or photographer - someone who indeed is worse than a coward.

No normal person could take this photo and leave it at that. Take the photo (if you must) but then take the guy out. Then you would indeed have to display 'incredible courage' and fight your way out of there.

Instead, we have here photography which joins forces with the destruction of the human spirit which is the desired aim of Islamic totalitarianism.

279 tatterdemalian  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 6:22:07am

As Tim Blair has pointed out, reporters today feel more loyalty to "journalism" than to their own government.

Funny how the definition of "journalism" has changed. It shares its definition with propaganda now, and anti-Zionist propaganda at that.

280 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 7:04:37am

I would rather live in a world in which this twit can take such photographs than one in which he is forbidden by law to do so. Freedom is a messy thing.

281 pediomelum  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 7:15:11am

I looked through the photographs. I thought that this one was far more anti-American propaganda than the Joao Silva one.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Obviously, our soldiers were correct and moral in how they treated the prisoner. It's just the symbolism is bad in that leftist minds would think idiot thoughts. It's a pity that they can't be more rational.

282 ErnieG  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 7:46:02am

The word treason has been used here several times. Treason is the only crime to be defined in the Constitution. I doubt that it applies in this case. Here it is, from Article III, Section 3:

Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

It is a difficult charge to prove, being narrowly defined, and for good reason. We had only recently won our independence from England. There, treason was loosely defined. Antagonize the Crown and you could lose your head. (Remember Sir Walter Raleigh?)

283 savetheus  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 8:52:16am

#261 I won't shed a single tear if that photographer is blown to bits by an American militay assault. He deserves it.

These photogs should be considered fair game if they are in the enemies company.

#282 The word treason has been used here several times. I doubt that it applies in this case. ...No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act...

B.S. Dollars to donuts the NYT knew beforehand what kind of pictures they wanted and were going to get from from Silva. You can be sure they knew he was going to worm himself in with the enemy. I'm sure there were two or more people involved with the decision. Sounds like a good start for some arrest warrants. I'd happily vote for conviction if I was on the jury.

284 wargammer2005  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 5:56:03pm

why is creep so called cleric still alive?

285 BruceHayden  Sun, Jul 16, 2006 7:27:55pm

See Dad29: A Sniper? Really? for a number of things the "shooter" is doing wrong in the picture. In short, the guy doesn't know what he is doing with that weapon, and is unlikely to hit anything either, should he shoot. Thus, you are left with the conclusion that this shot was staged.

286 mrbob  Mon, Jul 17, 2006 12:19:35pm

As an American I don't understand how the person could stand there and watch that, and not stop him, these people are our enemies, that is the only conclusion I can come to.

signed,
Mr Bob
Active Navy


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