not surprised

Mackenzie is a Zionist! Yeargh!

They use the UN as shields knowing that they can’t be punished for it.

Yeop.

It was very nice of the UN peacekeepers to give safe harbor to the poor Hizzbollah...

/

Will this get wide play in the MSM? At the UN? Nooo.

Astonishing information, truly. Thanks Isadore.

Think the BBC or CNN will pick up this story? I didn't think so.

(also see my #195 on prior thread )

...

(4) Team Sierra is currently observing both IDF/IAF and Hezbollah military clashes from our vantage point which has a commanding view of the IDF positions on the Golan mountains to our east and the IDF positions along the Blue Line to our south, as well as, most of the Hezbollah static positions in and around our patrol Base. It appears that the lion's share of fighting between the IDF and Hezbollah has taken place in our area.
...

This is all the information of a non-tactical nature that I can provide you. I cannot give you any info on Hezbollah position, proximity or the amount of or types of sorties the IAF is currently flying. Suffice to say that the activity levels and operational tempo of both parties is currently very high and continuous, with short breaks or pauses. Please understand the nature of my job here is to be impartial and to report violations from both sides without bias. As an Unarmed Military Observer, this is my raison d'etre.

What I can tell you is this: we have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both artillery and aerial bombing. The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity.

I thank you for the opportunity to provide you with some information from the front lines here in south Lebanon.

Maj Hess-von Kruedener

Why weren't the "peace"keepers removed from a war zone where it is obvious "peace"keeping is not being accomplished.

Kofi is to blame for these deaths...

And Kofi needs to stop blaming Israel.

Now...

Confirming a niggling suspicion I had earlier about this.

Hizballah was using their post as cover.

Shocked I tell you. Shocked.

I would buy Keef Olbermann a dinner if he played this clip on his show. I'm sure that's as safe a bet there is, tho.

Hell, I'd even spot him wearing an "I hate Fox" shirt.

Geepers. If the CBC is playing this...

Jumpin Crackers batman! The Communist Broadcasting Cockup broadcasts something coherent from a coherent decent man, saying something objective about a war in which Israel is involved...

I'm...amazed. Stunned. Absolutely...
breathless.

#12 rayra

The picture is significant, but the caption is equally significant:

Observers told me the U.N. and Hezbollah personnel share water and telephones, and that the U.N. presence serves as a shield against Israeli strikes against the terrorists.

There is is, in black and white.

Kofi Annan has to have known this!

Kofi Annan could have ordered the U.N. peacekeepers out of their at anytime, of his disposal!

Kofi Annan obviously has a very real behind the scenes compact with Hezbollah, otherwise, he'd have gotten his beloved peacekeepers out of harms way, no?

What is saying about Kofi Annan, when the Canadian U.N. peacekeeper is contacting Canadian officials about this isue, rather than the U.N.?

There is a very real evil running throughout most of the U.N., that goes far far beyond the idea that those at the U.N. are simply incompitent!

A very real evil!

Kofi Annan, imo, is no less a terrorist, by his doublespeak and hypocritical actions, which support terrorists, and condemns any, who are on the side of Good!

If this is the case, then it is a disgrace that Israel hasn't announced it publically. Israel should be able to show photographic evidence to prove the case, be able to demonstrate that they warned the UN, and not be afraid of admitting that they intended to bomb the position, if this is true.

...there is gambling going on here?...

This guy should have Kofi's job.

#2 efuesakay

Mackenzie is a Zionist!

hmmm...mackenzie...mackenzie...funny you don't look jewish...
/poorly acted german officer off/

#4 rayra

UN and Hezb'Allah flags side by side

"Academics For Hezbollah" have a petition worth reading:

[Link: kalapanapundit.blogspot.com...]

Whoops, you beat me to it...

They need to encrypt their messages better. Why not say they were staying in a crack house (wink, wink) in a reeeally dangerous part of town (wink, wink) and hope there were no drive-by shootings (wink, wink)? You know, some real sophisticated code and stuff.

Instead of UN flags they could just wear gang colors and know the secret gang handshakes.

Much more covert. Those filthy Jooos would never figure that out.

Hey Charles, did you see the hat tip you got from James Taranto today? It's about the sheets-of-$100-bills thing from yesterday.

OT - Al Jazeera says Vote Democratic.

Don’t ask Santorum to “apologize,” folks. Vote Democratic.

Thank you Canada for having the courage to step up top the plate during this last election.

This is only the beginning.

22:46 Canadian prime minister doubts UN post deliberately targeted by IDF (AP)

Stephen Harper knew what he was talking about.

Kofi Annan lied. "Deliberatley targeted", eh Kofi, you dirty li'l c*nt.

How surprising.

Which member nation will now call for the resignation of the UN Secy. Gen.?

It's:

(1) Failure to issue an order to evacuate UN observers from a FFZ in a completely compromised position?
(2) Trying to cover up by lying (see: "Deliberatley targeted", eh Kofi, you dirty li'l c*nt.)

#19 #17

If this is the case, then it is a disgrace that Israel hasn't announced it publically. Israel should be able to show photographic evidence to prove the case, be able to demonstrate that they warned the UN, and not be afraid of admitting that they intended to bomb the position, if this is true.

Who would Israel be trying to convince?

The corrupt U.N.?

The corrupt leftist msm?

Kofi Annan?

The greater part of most of the world who wants Israel "wiped off the map", with the lone exception of sane Americans, and a very few other partial allies?

Why on earth do you expect Israel to have to "defend" her position against a terrorist group like Hezbollah!

Hezbollah is a terrorist group, they are not a legitimate entity!

16 Hhar

I know what you mean, it would be the same as our NPR telling the truth for a change.

I am hoping that this news will filter its way south to our MSM.

/MSM if you are reading this, get your fat ass out of your chair and get this out. Pronto.

If your death will have propaganda value, please leave Lebanon.

Thank goodness there are a few honest human beings left that have been there, done that and are willing to tell the truth. Now, is Bill O'Reilly going to run this, or is that Saudi billionare shareholder and Foxnews going to make sure this stays under wraps?

#27 Earth2moonbat

OT - Al Jazeera says Vote Democratic.

Don’t ask Santorum to “apologize,” folks. Vote Democratic.

The only hope for islamofascist terrorists the world over, is the leftist Democrats!

Remember this folks, that the islamofascist terrorists draw much of their strength and inspiration from leftist Democrats!

This insane Al-Jazeera link is proof, among a mountain of other evidence!

The left may be the death of the free world!

31

Hezbollah is a terrorist group, they are not a legitimate entity!

True, but the 4 UN observers were not terrorists, and should have been given a chance, by Israel, to get out. If Israel explicitly asked that they leave, then it would not be Israel's fault.

OK I asked this yesterday but I'll ask again:

WHAT WERE THE U.N. PEOPLE DOING THERE IN THE 1ST PLACE?

They didn't stop the violence, they didn't help the problem...

Seriously, what were they doing there? Were they really just getting paid to sit in this buildings all day & to drive around Lebanon?

Then a war occurs (ONE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE MADE SURE NEVER HAPPENED) & they still just sit there & do nothing.

What is their point!?

Hmmm

Are UN *piecekeepers* (snicker) Armed? If so, it's a case of kill or be killed. Otherwise they're just more meat armor for the ROP *spit*.

Note.
piecekeeper is intentionally mis-spelt as it's a more accurate depiction of the facts.

#37 #17

If Israel explicitly asked that they leave, then it would not be Israel's fault.

That order is 100% Kofi Annans order, NOT Israels!

Kofi Annan is who orders U.N. peacekeepers to either stay, or leave!

If Hezbollah was using that U.N. post, which they do with regularity, then it is a legitimate target, U.N. observers there, or not!

When the U.N. flag flies side by side with the illegitimate hezbollah flag, figure it out!

I wouldn't particularly want Turkish troops in there as part of a NATO force, as the General (Ret.) suggested.

Not sure if anyone noticed, but the al-reuters count just went up +2 since this most interesting article was posted. In less than 15 minutes, 2 more logged in.

Hellooo al-reuters!

No international forces and now deadlines. Let Israel take out Hizballah. Anything short of that, will postpone the inevitable war and allow the enemy to regroup and get stronger.

#27 E2M

I read the link, and as a pennsylvanian, would you know, or anyone else for that matter, if this violates federal election law?

I have tried to research his religious position online, but am not keen on what is the conflict in the seperation of church and state.

Any of you legal types who like to chime in, I would love to hear from you.

Coughing Anus will be on trial for war crimes when the War on Islamic Terror is over.

Mackenzie is a respected military guy and was a candidate for the Conservative party. The MSM, particularly the CBC, usually disagrees with just about everything he has to say, but he worked with the UN more than anybody else in the country so they need to talk to him. And he always sets the record straight.
Wish I could have heard the interviewer's response to this statement, but i stopped listening to CBC years ago.

No surprises here. Consider this:

Hezbollah attacks Israel - Israel responds and launches offensive aimed at the terrorists - a couple hundred die and thousands are displaced. Suddenly, U.N. jumps into gear condemning Israel, labeling them "war criminals" and alleging "deliberate targeting" of civilians and UN posts.

Meanwhile, thousands are being butchered in Sudan/Darfur with 100's of K people being displaced. The U.N. MIA. Sudan is threatening Ethiopia, the U.N. is MIA. Congo? The U.N. is MIA. Chechnya? The U.N. is MIA. India/Pakistan? The U.N. is MIA. Iraq? ...

With hundreds of conflicts raging around the world, the U.N. can seemingly focus on and condemn only one country, ISRAEL.

It puts things in perspective, no?

Lew MacKenzie is a hero to troops who served under him in the former Yugoslavia, and whose lives he literally saved by taking action when action was needed instead of waiting around for word from the UN.

But it is the failure in Rwanda, where Gen. Romeo Dallaire did wait around for help and instructions from the UN (Kofi Annan had the Rwanda file then), for which Daillaire is lionized in Canada, appointed to the Senate, has schools named for him, and is held in fawning regard.

Lew Mackenzie has not been appointed to the Senate, has nos schools named for him as far as I know, and has not, I believe been the subject of CBC adulation.

Lew Mackenzie got screwed by NDHQ bureaucrats, UN bureaucrats, Liberal politicians, and if you dig around enough the name of Ken Fowler might come to pominence in all that (see the Somalia incident for further in Teflon Bob Fowler, now ambassador to Italy, IIRC).

What a shocka!

Wrath_of_God

The UN has been in Lebanon for a short while now. Since 1978.

Here is their website.

[Link: www.un.org...]

$46 formercorpsman

I have tried to research his religious position online, but am not keen on what is the conflict in the seperation of church and state.

At a minimum, I would think that it is illegal for a confirmed terrorist supporting entity, aka Al-Jazeera, to encourage American voters to vote for any particular party.

Al-Jazeera says, "vote for the terrorist sympathizers and supporters who are leftist kook Democrats"!

Unreal!

Where's the faith?

If you want the media to pick up a story YOU HAVE TO ALERT THEM TO IT!

Go send a tip to Drudge at least. It's anonymous. He might carry it.

You mean to tell me that the left and the MSM and the UN actually lie ?

jeez Louise

Thanks for that info, Charles (and thanks Isadore for sharing it). If not for LGF, how many people would know this info, since the MSM is saying zip about this matter.

#49 Bubbaman

No surprises here. Consider this:

Hezbollah attacks Israel - Israel responds and launches offensive aimed at the terrorists - a couple hundred die and thousands are displaced. Suddenly, U.N. jumps into gear condemning Israel, labeling them "war criminals" and alleging "deliberate targeting" of civilians and UN posts.

Meanwhile, thousands are being butchered in Sudan/Darfur with 100's of K people being displaced. The U.N. MIA. Sudan is threatening Ethiopia, the U.N. is MIA. Congo? The U.N. is MIA. Chechnya? The U.N. is MIA. India/Pakistan? The U.N. is MIA. Iraq? ...

With hundreds of conflicts raging around the world, the U.N. can seemingly focus on and condemn only one country, ISRAEL.

It puts things in perspective, no?

You are spot on!

OT, sorta...

Original story here [Link: www.couriermail.news.com.au...]

Seems that an early copy of the Book of Psalms has been found in a bog in the south Midlands of Ireland. Dating from around 800 AD, the book is in very bad shape, with only one psalm still ledgible. Given the timing, I find it very interesting that a copy of this psalm would surface again now, bringing attention to it.

The Psalm in question?

Psalm 83.

1Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
9Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
10Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.
11Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:
12Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.
13O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
14As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;
15So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
16Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
17Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

For those that don't know, the tribes, nations and peoples listed are modern day Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Gaza and Arabs. The one that bothers me the most, however, is Amalek, because of his ties to the Nephilim.

Since I don't believe in such a thing as "coincidence", I have to believe that someone is reminding His faithful that He's not forgotten His promises to Israel. Very interesting indeed.

In other news...

Chavez's Venezuela to buy Su-30 fighter jets from Russia.

#56 Axiom

Where's the faith?

If you want the media to pick up a story YOU HAVE TO ALERT THEM TO IT!

Go send a tip to Drudge at least. It's anonymous. He might carry it.

Bill O'Reilly would cover it!

In a second!

First Resolution:

Resolution 425 (1978) established two requirements. First, the Security Council called for strict respect for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized boundaries. Second, the Security Council called upon Israel immediately to cease its military action against Lebanese territorial integrity and withdraw forthwith its forces from all Lebanese territory.

The Security Council also decided, in the light of the request of the Government of Lebanon, to establish immediately a United Nations interim force for southern Lebanon. This interim force was created for three broadly defined purposes:

1. Confirming the withdrawal of Israeli forces;
2. Restoring international peace and security;
3. Assisting the Government of Lebanon in ensuring the return of its effective authority in the area.

#23 Infidel

From your link:

and the current U.S.-Israeli threat to Syria and Iran

Are you kidding me? The entire letter is leftist drivel. No mention of Hezbollah or Hamas, or their stated objective of destroying Israel. For educated people, they seem to have no grasp of current events. I do suspect that some of the signers are fake. My personal favorite:

Mr. H. Nasrallah - Joseph Goebbels Chair in Communications, Duke

#18 republic

I'm starting to agree with you; Kofi isn't just stupid, or a tool of the Muslinauts (they're so full of hot air they should be in space), I think he's intentionally leaving UN forces in place to cause situations like what we've seen that will give him cover to demand that Israel stop.

The more I look at this, the more it stinketh.

ot...Robert Spencers new book on Muhammad...

.Review of Spencer's new book The Truth About Muhammad
This morning, I sent off the completed manuscript of my latest book, The Truth About Muhammad, to Regnery Publishing. It is scheduled to appear in bookstores October 9. This is an examination of the life of the Prophet of Islam, with particular emphasis on the elements of his words and deeds that give rise to fanaticism and violence.

I believe this is an important issue, despite the obvious risks involved in writing this book, because of the anomalous situation that both jihadists and self-proclaimed Islamic moderates invoke Muhammad and claim to be following his example. Most Western government and law enforcement officials still hew to the line that the jihadists have hijacked Islam; they thus assume that at its core Islam is peaceful and pluralistic. This question thus has important implications for policy on the war on terror, democratization, immigration, and more. And what better way to gain clarity on this issue than by examing the life of the founder of Islam himself?

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Second UN Resolution:

In resolution 426 (1978), the Security Council approved the report of the Secretary-General on the implementation of resolution 425 (1978). That report contained, inter alia, guidelines for the operations of UNIFIL.

Here's the link to the CBC interview (RealPlayer format) with General Mackenzie cited in this posting:

[Link: cbc.ca...]
 

#5 Amalie 7/26/2006 01:54PM PDT
It was very nice of the UN peacekeepers to give safe harbor to the poor Hizzbollah...

/

Au contraire, it was advantageous for Hezbollah to let the UN use the outpost for PR purposes.

republic

In all fairness to the station, they do have the disclaimer about views expressed, etc.

But is it not illegal for a religious figurehead to endorse a particular candidate?

I don't even know if he fits the bill.

nice to hear some truth for once

This from Maariv, a Hebrew language newspaper in Israel (no English edition):

Assessment: Nasrallah Is in the Iranian Embassy in Beirut - Ben Caspit
The latest intelligence assessment in Israel is that Nasrallah is hiding in the basement of the Iranian Embassy in Beirut. Even though there is no final determination, more and more Israeli officials are pointing at the Iranian Embassy, which is under Iranian sovereignty and benefits from diplomatic immunity like all embassies. (Maariv-Hebrew, 26Jul06)

July 2001

Secretary General Report To The UN:

Also according to the report, the Government of Lebanon continued to maintain the position that, as long as there is no comprehensive peace with Israel, the Lebanese armed forces would not be deployed along the Blue Line. Areas along the Blue Line were monitored by Hizbollah through a network of mobile and fixed positions. Sometimes, Hizbollah acted as surrogate for the civil administration by extending social, medical and educational services to the local population. On several occasions, Hizbollah personnel restricted the freedom of movement of UNIFIL and interfered with its redeployment.

Aloha Schlagerman #64,

No the clowns who wrote that petition are not kidding. Norman Finkelstein is one of the signers.

ooh ooh aah aah, i love the part when he takes on the emotional bullshit from CNN with the "bombardment" thing. brilliant.

Check out this photo taken at the UN post as UN and Hezbollah flags are seen flying together:

[Link: www.cjnews.com...]

OT:

We should have taken care of this cockroach the first second time we had the chance.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Putting more U.S. soldiers in the streets of Baghdad risks a new showdown with a radical anti-American cleric who has modeled his movement after Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas.

Since the USA has had much trouble finding Usama Bin Laden, and Al-Zawari, I am encouraging the allied forces to start looking for any "U.N." flags that may be blowing in the wind in the mountains of Pakistan/Afghanistan.

I'm sure that somewhere, there is a U.N. flag flying next to a flag of al-quada!

Hezbollah is no less a terrorist org., than al-quada!

/sarcasticly serious!

Does this mean Kofi has to give back his Raoul Wallenberg award? (spit)

Is he any relation to Doug and Bob McKenzie?

/take off, you hoser

#52 exredtory
Saw a documentary on Gen. Romeo Dallaire's mission. According to it he didn't have much to work with save a frightened, under-armed Belgian battalion.

One thing for sure, everyone should know the following:

(Kofi Annan had the Rwanda file then),

#69 taxfreekiller

The Chinese contingency want things to get so bad they can make a fast grab for the total motherland,,,
so one of their own,,,living selfishly in the current land of milk and honey,,
told me.

Secretary General Report To the UN 2002

Violations of the Blue Line, whether they entail a physical crossing of the line or skirting it, could not be, the Secretary-General stated. The Government of Lebanon, however, continued to maintain the position that, as long as there was no comprehensive peace with Israel, the Lebanese armed forces would not be deployed along the Blue Line. In that vacuum, Hezbollah maintained its visible presence near the line through its network of mobile and fixed positions, also continuing to extend social, medical and educational services to the local population in areas near the Blue Line.

/looks just like 2001

Also:

The Secretary-General also remained concerned about the restriction of movement on UNIFIL personnel, who must be able to carry out their mandate. In the most serious incident, on 4 April, about 15 Hezbollah personnel forced an Observer Group Lebanon patrol south-west of Kafr Shuba to stop at gunpoint and assaulted the observers with rifle butts, injuring three, one seriously.

#65 vxbush: It's another Rovian plot.

Rove is behind the scenes advising Kofi, Hizb'allah and the IDF to coordinate a strategy for redirecting attention away from Kofi's re-organization struggles.

Isn't it obvious? You need to come over and get in the line for Rollercoaster Kosola. It's a queue than Dumberground.com.

00:35 U.S. Muslims urge FBI to be `sensitive` in probing Hezbollah activities in U.S. (AP)

yes only go after people who say...ISLAM IS THE ENEMY.. [Link: www.haaretz.com...]

2004 Secretary General Of The UN

The Secretary-General also voiced deep concern that “ Israel persists in its provocative and unjustified air violations of sovereign Lebanese territory. Hezbollah's retaliatory firing of anti-aircraft rounds across the Blue Line "is a violation that poses a direct threat to human life", he added. The Secretary-General warned that considerable risk remained that hostile acts would escalate and lead the parties into conflict and recommended extending UNIFIL for an additional six months.

#69 tfk

I applaud you.

The One who guides the only ship that matters never slumbers, never sleeps.

ploome hineni #78

I would love for there to be definitive proof of this broadcast for all the world to read. Iran has to get its comeuppance.

OT

"Crime of Love" in Britain

It is a new trend. And it isn't something as banal as sodomy.

#87 Amalie

Thank you for your tireless effort to bring these resolutions to the forefront.

Does Kofi Annan remember what he says from one day to the next?

00:35 U.S. Muslims urge FBI to be `sensitive` in probing Hezbollah activities in U.S. (AP)
yes only go after people who say...ISLAM IS THE ENEMY..

THE SAME HEZBOLLAH WHO MURDERED 241 MARINES...YES USE KID GLOVES...AMERICAS DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUSTICE!

Jumpin Crackers batman! The Communist Broadcasting Cockup broadcasts something coherent from a coherent decent man, saying something objective about a war in which Israel is involved...

I've noticed a distinct shift at CBC that coincides with the period when the 17 jihadis got busted and part of their plot included setting off a truck bomb in the park in front of CBC where so many of them eat their lunch plus taking over the station by force to broadcast their messages.

Rednek #93

*shudder*

Don't know if you guys have seen this yet - American Thinker has posted a cluebat for the moonbats:

A Few of the Basics of War

Muslims now tell the FBI how to treat terrorist who murder UNITED STATES MARINES...MY GOD...WHEN WILL WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THIS MADNESS?

Jan 2006

The Secretary-General welcomed the Lebanese Government’s decision to co-locate the Army Liaison Office with UNIFIL headquarters in Naqoura, to appoint liaison officers with the UNIFIL field battalions and to work closer with the Force in the field. He was pleased to note the appointment of the new Government Coordinator with UNIFIL. Planning for the deployment of additional forces in the south should start without delay, he said.

In that regard, he encouraged the Lebanese Government to take up the Force Commander’s proposal to establish a joint planning cell composed of members of the Lebanese Armed Forces and UNIFIL. The activities and presence of the Joint Security Force could also be enhanced on the ground, even within the limits of its authorized strength of 1,000 troops. Additionally, closer coordination between UNIFIL and the Joint Security Force patrols in the south would contribute to enhancing the role and activities of the Lebanese Armed Forces in the area. The implications of an increased presence of the Lebanese Armed Forces in the south for UNIFIL structure and force strength would be regularly assessed.

Don't these idiots of the world who are calling for "peacekeeping missions" in the ME, realize that the peacekeeping missions that have failed UTTERLY for over 28 years, will never work, when the terrorists who they want to "negotiate" don't ever intend to have peace, and only want Israel "wiped off the map"?

/my frustration knows no bounds
face in my hands, at the thought of incompitent or complicit kook ambassadors or leaders in the "free world" who are saying out of one side of their mouths that they want "peace" in the ME", and out of the other side of their mouth, they want Israel "wiped off the map"!

Unreal!

94 Republic

It was interesting.. the UN reports never mentioned Hizbollah building all those huge bunkers.. of arms being shipped to Hizbollah from Syria and/or Iran.

Not once.

Important:

Posted earlier:

Check out this photo taken at the UN post as UN and Hezbollah flags are seen flying together:

[Link: www.cjnews.com...]

#100 storagemanager

Muslims now tell the FBI how to treat terrorist who murder UNITED STATES MARINES...MY GOD...WHEN WILL WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THIS MADNESS?

I share your frustration my friend!

Pray that the "hands of Satan and his minion be bound"

Pray, pray, and more prayer!

General Mackenzie has stated that "peacekeeping" is obsolete, and that "peacemaking" is the only applicable option when most conflict occurs between extra-national organizations and/or nations who do not want to negotiate peace.

Use overwhelming force, and slap down both sides until they are dead or give up.

Of course, he could only say this AFTER he retired.

#99 BH

Thank you for that link! Great points. I get so frustrated when I hear this talk of so-called 'proportionality'. The point of war is not to be equal - the point is to achieve victory.

F
Diplomacy

/bumper sticker that parodies the parody of the black square bumper sticker with a big W centered and President written beneath it.

//which was actually pretty funny with the F

Amy & Ploome - Nasrallah is hiding in the Beruit Iranian embassy? So if Israel bombed it on purpose Iran could by *spit* international law *spit* take that as a declaration of war by Israel on Iran?

My brother was peacekeeper in Lebannon in the 1980s. He says it takes about 15 days for any emergency message to make its way up the chain of command and then another couple of weks for the emergency repsonse to come back to the ground. He also said, long before any counter reports of the UN killing came out, "The terrorists were using the UN as shields and that's why they got killed. I have no doubt about it because that's the way its done over there." (He got booted out of there for violating his official UN neutrality and saving Israelis from a roadside bomb ambush so he's a bit biased.)

#103 Amalie

94 Republic

It was interesting.. the UN reports never mentioned Hizbollah building all those huge bunkers.. of arms being shipped to Hizbollah from Syria and/or Iran.

Not once.

I believe that Kofi Annan, and others may be involved up to their eyeballs in this.

I think we are starting to see a evil deceit, that is going to make the Kofi Annan complicit "Oil for Food" scam look like a bake sale, when it is revealed.

I have a heart of heart feeling that it is not going to be good for this world, much less our USA!

he is such a stupid, stubborn limited ignoramus

As is Marvin Kalb.

sent Sean Hannity the pic of the Hezb'Allah and UN flags. hope he shows them on tv now

#111 Judith - I have a question for your brother. Seriously, not flaming you in the least. Might it be possible to ask?

If official UN neutrality means that you cannot save an Israeli from a roadside bomb or turn over a tape of a kidnapping on the Israeli side of the border, does it also mean that you cannot communicate in similar ways with Hizballah? Or am I being to literal in my interpretation of neutral?

#112 republic

I think we are starting to see a evil deceit, that is going to make the Kofi Annan complicit "Oil for Food" scam look like a bake sale, when it is revealed.

I'm with you. Like I told my son over in Iraq, "Pull up a Humvee and watch the Bible unfold in front of your very eyes."

E-Mail FOX News with the link to the Gen MacKenzie's interview. Perhaps they'll interview him.

[Link: cbc.ca...]

During the early days of the UN Peacekeeping force in Cyprus a Greek Cypriot officer was jerking a young Lewis Mackenzie around, so Mackenzie walked up to him and knocked him out cold with one punch. The Greek Cypriots soldiers stood there and did nothing, they knew better.

#108 ploome

he is such a stupid, stubborn limited ignoramus

And talks like he has a mouth full of marbles to boot.

#112 Republic

Don't fool yourself into thinking the conspiracy against the Jews in the UN is about to unravel.

mama winger 7/26/2006 02:56PM PDT
#112 republic

I think we are starting to see a evil deceit, that is going to make the Kofi Annan complicit "Oil for Food" scam look like a bake sale, when it is revealed.

I'm with you. Like I told my son over in Iraq, "Pull up a Humvee and watch the Bible unfold in front of your very eyes."

Yes...

Isaiah 17:1...An oracle concerning Damascus:
"See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.

#61 Occasional Reader
In other news...

Chavez's Venezuela to buy Su-30 fighter jets from Russia.

Mr Chavez is visiting several countries, lobbying for a Venezuelan seat on the UN Security Council.

On Monday he signed a series of co-operation agreements in Belarus.

After Russia, he will visit Qatar, Iran, Vietnam and Mali.

This brings up three items of Troll Diplomacy:

The UN will gladly move to seat VEN on the UNSC, to be summarily vetoed by the US,

Belarus is the last commie-dic in Europe. Cooperation on what? Old nukes?

Troll Hugo meets Troll Mahmoud: Who's shorter and what precision guided weapon would be best deployed to kill them both during their grinning glad hand session?

112 republic

It will be far, far better for us to expose Kofi and the UN than to let them continue.

I have to find a candidate of either party who promises to push the UN out of America and to stop sending them our tax dollars..

If that's what it takes.

I would LOVE it if President Bush, with no reelection to worry about, would simply go on TV and say, "I'm yanking us out of the UN."

In all seriousness, can anyone tell me what we'd have to do to quit? I mean, and we just take our marbles and go home, or would Congress have to vote on it?

Something to distract...

Hit the hitman!

trouble with getting out of the UN is who else is going with us? Most nations seem to take whatever comes out of there as the gospel as long as it's anti Israel or anti US. Would we really want to get out of that organization knowing we have a veto vote there? You get out and next thing you know they'll be blockading Israel or some big resolution threatening the US in some way. As long as it exists I think we have to stay in.

Goddess Of The Classroom

I guess we could start by bombarding our Congressmen.

They are our representatives. We voted them in. We can vote them out.

Smit #110

So if Israel bombed it on purpose Iran could by *spit* international law *spit* take that as a declaration of war by Israel on Iran?

That's about the size of it. And then you'd see Hezbollah International given its marching orders to start trying to blow up Israeli embassies all over the world as "justified retaliation."

#107 mama winger

I get so frustrated when I hear this talk of so-called 'proportionality'. The point of war is not to be equal - the point is to achieve victory.

I agree! If you're going to fight, you better be determined to win. Otherwise, why the hell do you bother to fight?

126

You make a good point but...

We are the ones who finance the operations of the UN.. at least the the largest percentage is paid by us. By far.

Perhaps we could cut their salaries and force them to find another country to have their headquarters. They are in the process of having a new one built here.

For about a gazillion dollars.

lpd673

That's a good point, but consiering how little good those resolutions do, would it really matter?

Plus, if we pulled out, the other countries would have to pony up more money, especially if we evict them from Turtle Bay.

I'm liking this more and more...

#116 mama winger

#112 republic

I think we are starting to see a evil deceit, that is going to make the Kofi Annan complicit "Oil for Food" scam look like a bake sale, when it is revealed.

I'm with you. Like I told my son over in Iraq, "Pull up a Humvee and watch the Bible unfold in front of your very eyes."

Praise GOD!

GOD Bless you and your brave son!

I am going to Bible study in a few hours, and given that one of the U.N. peacekeepers who was killed of the four, was Chinese and then he said he had talked to someone, from there, who lives in America, that China may use this as an excuse to prepare to "take over the mother-land", which is spot on with the writing of GODS Word, in regards to the "end times", I want to make certain that I am prepared, as I most often am.

Once the "in the twinking of an eye" takes place, and the AC appears, billions will be doomed, as the result of deceit, and other evil things.

I'm not going to be one of them, Praise GOD!

hans ze beeman

What a hoot! I did it! I blew up the m*f*er...

#127 They are our representatives. We voted them in. We can vote them out.

Right with you there. Starting with virtually every U. S. Senator. The "immigration reform" package virtually all of them voted for was downright unforgivable.

greetings from alberta!

here is a quote from an israeli general:

We made a mistake in identifying the target and thought it was a Hizbullah outpost," the officer said, claiming that over the next few days the IDF would conduct an extensive probe into the incident, following which OC Northern Command Maj.-Gen. Udi Adam would write a letter of apology to Annan.

(probably somebody up the thread already posted it, but who has the time to wade through the whole thread?)

I am reminded of the missile the USAF put into the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade during the liberation of Kosovo. ya mean that the US didn't know where the chinese embassy was? Maybe it is the principle of hit a target which gives you trouble, then fall over yourself giving apologies. The deed is done, and the message is sent.

#132 republic

My soul is at peace. but I'd rather this cup pass me by, yet not as I will, but as He wills.

Amalie,

The UN derives it's legitimacy from being in the USA.

Start by relocating this parasite to a country worthy of UN machinations like, say France.

Let them cater to these fascits, oddballs and communists.

#132 republic:

that China may use this as an excuse to prepare to "take over the mother-land", which is spot on with the writing of GODS Word

Ah... the Bible mentions China?

Where, pray tell (no pun intended)?

#124 Goddessoftheclassroom

In all seriousness, can anyone tell me what we'd have to do to quit? I mean, and we just take our marbles and go home, or would Congress have to vote on it?

I believe that Amalie already answered this.

Call, write, email your representatives and Senators and voive our outrage, concern, and feling and thoughts.

If they get millions of Americans calling them, they will have to take notice.

Especially with elections coming in November

I'm preaching to the choir when I tell the Israeli Jews this, but if you let your leaders do this half way and listen to the fools, these scum will be back to haunt another Jewish generation. Don't let your children and grandchildren have to deal with these murderers anymore. Do what you have to do.

Forget world opinion, scoff at the U.N., and polish off the Hizballah in Lebanon. For almost as long as I can remember, Hizballah has haunted Israel and America too. Enough is enough. Any sane person has admired your restraint but I, for one, am glad you've finally had your fill and are willing to take the offense in the fight. I wish America was joining you on the battlefield but I guess that must be for another day.

The only part of the world that counts for anything is on your side praying that you win so decisively that nobody is bothered anymore. Only sorry you're having to do the dirty work alone.

Maybe one day the free world will wake up and realize you did all of us a favor. As an American, I am very grateful for your sacrifice and my family and I thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Please don't think you are alone in the fight against evil. You are not.

Charles: I don't know if this has been mentioned. Your quote is wrong.

He says.
Hezbollah fighters were all

Not
Hezbollah soldiers were all

I'm debating some feebs on a loony lefty blog & this just destroyed there agruement. Thanks.

I'm also looking for some past articles about Hez setting up next to the UN. Anyone.

OT

#132

Uhmm...I know the Bible very well. don't think it says anywhere that china is going to take over Taiwan.

#138 Occasional Reader

Ah... the Bible mentions China?

Where, pray tell (no pun intended)?

The Bible speaks of the LAND which is China, of course it doesn't mention China specificly.

It's in there, in plain description, but you'll have to investigate for yourself, because you will probably not believe me.

It's ALL in there, to a T, with current world events.

Spot on, except that there is no mention of a country, or "land" that is the USA.

That fact is a puzzle to many.

#142 bobgranholm

OT

#132

Uhmm...I know the Bible very well. don't think it says anywhere that china is going to take over Taiwan.

"Taiwan"?

Very funny

/off to study more of the Word

lpd673,

trouble with getting out of the UN is who else is going with us? Most nations seem to take whatever comes out of there as the gospel as long as it's anti Israel or anti US. Would we really want to get out of that organization knowing we have a veto vote there? You get out and next thing you know they'll be blockading Israel or some big resolution threatening the US in some way. As long as it exists I think we have to stay in.

Though I could be wrong, I am convinced that if the U.S. would finally get wise and get out of the U.N., a large part of the population would follow. It might take a few years but someone has to take the lead. Who better than the biggest contributor? And I would be forever grateful to tell the U.N. it is exactly because of the virulent anti-semitism and their own ineptness we are doing so.

#143 republic:

because you will probably not believe me

Yeah, I think I'll just skip straight to that step.

(Sorry, folks, I just find all this "IT'S THE END TIMES!" hysteria annoying.)

There are already groups working on booting the UN out of the US. For example:

Get US out! of the United Nations

"World government through the United Nations is a serious threat to the freedom of all Americans. Imagine being held prisoner in a foreign land and tried in an international court with judges from such countries as Afghanistan, China, or Iraq.

The United Nations (financed by American taxpayers!) has long been a safe harbor for terrorist and oppressive regimes which target America as the enemy.

Even more alarming, the United Nations is beginning to take aim at the God-given rights enjoyed by Americans since our great nation was founded. The right to self defense, use your own property, or even the right to have children may all be trampled if the United Nations is allowed to have the power it seeks."

more: [Link: www.getusout.org...]
and another: [Link: www.renewamerica.us...]

Amalie - Where is the UN planning to relocate within the US? I was unaware of this! yikes.

How many stories like this does the left and their accomplices in the MSM have to see before they realise they are backing the wrong horse in this race.

The Bible speaks of many lands. Using names given to countries thousands of years ago and suggesting that they apply to the same land mass, now occupied by a completely different people (in most , but not all cases), and that this speaks of current events in 2006 is a bit of a stretch. esp. in the OT, most prophecies regarding the nations have been fulfilled.

Furthermore, waiting for 'the rapture' is a fools game. There ain't no such thing.

ugh. I should just quit talking about this topic.

#136 goddessoftheclassroom

#132 republic

My soul is at peace. but I'd rather this cup pass me by, yet not as I will, but as He wills.

:)

GOD BLess you!

I need to run.

Take care all.

GOD Bless Israel, and all her people who support her, GOD Bless America and all who support her and Israel!

I pray for our brave US and Israels brave troops who are in harms way, and who are fighting evil wherever it lurks!

I pray for our politicians who will and are making decisions which will affect the world, hopefully, prayerfully in a positive way.

GOD Bless all!

Amy - Guysen says that the Iranian Foreign Minister's spokesman is in the Iranian Embassy in Beirut. Very courageous chap.

Spot on, except that there is no mention of a country, or "land" that is the USA.

I also find it odd that Brazil isn't mentioned. Say something like:

1 And I beheld a great red dragon,
2 and a woman clothed in a skimpy, tiny, bit of cloth
3 in which she bathed herself in the sea,
4 and verily she was tall, and tan, and young, and lovely.

Occasional Reader #152,

I don't think there were any red dragons in the Bible!

rev 12:3:

"And behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns..."

thought i wasn't going to talk about this...

It's a fool's game,
nothing but a fool's game.
Standin' in the cold rain,
feelin' like a cloudy day.

//from memory

///but for a different reason.

#153 Ariel:

I don't think there were any red dragons in the Bible!

William Blake begs to differ...

goodbye_natalie #145

Though I could be wrong, I am convinced that if the U.S. would finally get wise and get out of the U.N., a large part of the population would follow.

Nobody would like to see the US kick the UN to the curb more than I, since it's stinking up my city, but I have to disagree with your assessment.

The UN is a very convenient weapon which the rest of the world uses to "counterbalance" the US. God only knows what they'd get up to without our ability to exercise our veto power. They'd probably vote to reinstate the "Zionism is racism" nonsense, impose all kinds of sanctions on Israel, and, finally, reverse the resolution establishing Israel.

On the other hand, I'd love to see that cesspool on the East River move to, say, Mogodishu or, maybe, Khartoum or some such other Godforsaken place. Then everybody could do business by teleconferencing and not actually have to go there...

"And behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns..."

"... and a one-eyed, one-horned, flying purple people-eater..."

#143 republic, are you sure the USA is not mentioned?

Ariel #151

I can only hope that the Israelis have it bugged or have a mole in there... The Iranians are directing this entire thing and are giving sanctuary to terrorists while thumbing their noses at the rest of the world.

That's argument.

#158

I think you are confusing your apocalyptic references

I will stop talking about this...

Well, I'll have to admit to not being familiar with the Christian Bible and thinking that you meant what the Jewish Bible. I'm pretty sure we don't have any red dragons or dragons of any color...

#52 exredtory

[Link: www.ctv.ca...]

The general was named to the Order of Canada two days ago.

#160

You know Amy, one of the things that is bothering me about this latest israeli campaign is the seemingly week intelligence gathered by the Israeli military. I thought they were the worlds best, but they didn't know about the anti-ship missiles, the extent of tunnels and warrens, the longer range missiles. You would think they would have been able to pick up on this stuff. So bugging the Iranian Embassy might not be realistic

#149 - You've been reading far too much pulp fiction passing as "Biblical prophecy."

See my comments on some thread or other from today re taking a fraction of a sentence out of a work that was neither chaptered nor numbers until just a few hundred years ago and with no reference to anything else considered to be part of the Bible say "this is what it means."

You are not the only person - including many believers - who find the "rapture" as popularly described questionable. That does not mean the entire baby should be pitched out the door.

Ariel

Isaiah 27:1 Ïn that day he will kill the dragon who lives in the sea. Also Is 51:9

OMG, I am an addict

#166 galloping granny, maybe just 1/2 - 3/4 - 99/100 baby?

#160 Amy - Hi Amy - please check your e-mail when you get a chance!

#152: Occasional Reader

and

1. and their golden feet stroked the ball, light as air,
2. and by a powerful shot from the second row they scored 2-0 and secured the Penta.

#166 I think you missread me. I am probably agreeing with you and agruing the same thing you are re bible prophecy.

Don't forget the aliens. You'll need aliens.

#71 formercorpsman

But is it not illegal for a religious figurehead to endorse a particular candidate?

On the books, it's a violation of IRS rules providing tax exempt status to a religious organization. The rule doesn't seem to be applied too strictly, however. See this link.

#165: bobgranholm

Wasn't there this Israeli joke
"Is there war in Lebanon?"
"Yes, we retreated."
"Is there war in the Gaza strip?"
"Yes, we retreated."
"Is there war in the West bank?"
"No, we didn't retreat yet."

#163 Well, I'll have to admit to not being familiar with the Christian Bible and thinking that you meant what the Jewish Bible. I'm pretty sure we don't have any red dragons or dragons of any color..

There are however, pillars of flame, magical food in the desert, mairaculous waters of various types and spinning wheels that some consider to be UFO's Oh yeah, - that whale inside which a man lived for some time. :)

BTW, most "Christians" - and I do use the term loosely - study and follow both the Old Testament aka Jewish Bible and the New Testament, what you call the "Christian" Bible.

Unfortunately, now and again truly nutty theories get loose.

bobgranholm #165

The Israelis have been entirely out of Lebanon for six years, but they did have fairly good intelligence.

I've read stuff for years saying that the Israelis were warning everyone (although nobody paid attention) that Hezbollah was placing thousands of rockets on the border - they knew they were there but couldn't do anything about them. The Israelis relied on the deterrent factor - outposts near the border which would detect any change in the status quo - and thought they had a standoff. It was basically a matter of "You leave us alone, and we'll stay on our side of the border."

The surprise was the Hezbollah incursion over the border and the attack on the soldiers. I don't think Israel had any way of intercepting the Iranian green light for that.

Plus, Hezbollah has hidden a lot of their more sophisticated stuff in tunnels and bunkers, some of them over a hundred feet deep. Israeli satellites couldn't see through the ground.

But I think you're right - the Israelis probably have no "ears" inside the Iranian embassy. It was wishful thinking on my part.

Proverbs 32:1 "beware of stretching a thread to far. It may break."

(just kidding. there is no proverbs 32)

#176

good post amy.

Israeli intelligence, like all good intelligence agencies, rely on electronic surveillance, to be sure, but more than that they rely on informants inside an organization. That is what they seem to lack.

"With the amount of firepower going into Lebanon, the death toll is unbeleivably low..."

Retired Canadian Major General Lewis Mackenzie on the tape.

bobgranholm #167,

My translation says leviathan and not dragon, but whatever, the point is taken.

galloping granny #175,

The reason I call it the Jewish and Christian Bible is because the words "New" and "Old" Testament necessarily imply the supersecessionary attitude of the Christian Bible, which I (and most Jews) find offensive. It's plenty fine for each to have our own Bibles; Jews do not accept that there was another testament so by definition the "Old" vs. "New" distinction is odd for us.

#180: Ariel

Interesting information, thanks.

bobgranholm #178

Yes, I'm sure they lack humint when it comes to Hezbollah. Although the Israelis do have agents who speak fluent Arabic and look like Arabs, the fact that Hezbollah has established itself in small villages in the Shi'ite south of the country (as opposed to big cities like Beirut) makes it extremely difficult to infiltrate. Strangers stick out where everyone is organized into clans.

The Israelis have succeeded in infiltrating the Palestinian groups because they've been dealing with them for so long, and they've also had success in "turning" Palestinians by paying them. Hezbollah is swimming in Iranian money - they don't need Israeli gelt.

Hey, realwest!

No emails have come through as of yet...

I thought I read somewhere that it costs 100 million a year to have the UN peacekeepers there - How much of that goes into Kofi's pockets

#180 Ariel

Yes, unfortunately many Christians (now & over the ages) do not focus enough time on Romans 11. It makes it very clear and is very cautionary about having a boastful, supersecessionary attitude.

#157 Amy

But you know as well as I do that if it's not NYC, it'll be the Hague or Geneva, or someplace where they can live high on the hog. Or are you aware that the purpose of the UN is to allow diplomats to live high on the hog?

Maybe Bankok. They have lots of what UNcrats want...

E2m #186

Yeah, I could see why Bangkok would be attractive to a lot of Islamic diplomats...

I honestly don't care where they go, as long as it's out of my city. Then we could tear down that eyesore and build something a whole lot nicer...

galloping granny-According to my brother, the UN defines neutrality as anything which potentially neutralizes the pernicious effects of the World Zionist Conspiracy.

China Summons Israeli Ambassador on UN Attack
01:51 Jul 27, '06 / 2 Av 5766

(IsraelNN.com) China has summoned the Israeli Ambassador to Beijing and has demanded an apology from Israel for bombing a United Nations observer (UNIFIL) post, killing a Chinese and three other members of the force.

"The Chinese side is deeply shocked and strongly condemns this," foreign ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said. The U.N. Security Council agreed to a condemnation of the attack, but the United States vetoed the Chinese demand that a statement declare that the Israeli attack was deliberate.

U.N. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice-General Kofi Annan made the same accusation immediately after the air strike was reported. British and American diplomats accepted the Israeli announcement that the strike was an accident. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called Annan and apologized for the incident.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

#162 bobgranholm

btw, thank you for your quick discernment.

#180 Ariel - And I agree with you. I was simply trying to point out that most "Christians" do consider the Jewish Bible to be part and parcel of their own. I have known a number of people that follow Judaism over the years that do not realize that.

Simultaneously, I have met a tremendous number of "Christians" that simply do not comprehend that Jesus Christ was first and foremost a Jew, as were every single one of his original followers.

The entire interview is a breath of fresh air

Not of the Terri Gross variety I'm sure.

It's nice that there are still some sane people out there.

#188 Judith. Thanks. That is exactly what I thought he might say.

John 4:21-24... 21Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

Oh yeah, this should be objective:

CNN:
Was it an accident? Anderson Cooper is live in Israel as "360°" investigates the reason behind the U.N. outpost bombing. Today at 10 p.m. ET.

Sorry for the crossposts; it's relevant on several threads...

Lewis Mackenzie is the featured speaker at the Stand With Israel rally tonight. I hope some local lizards take pictures...

#184 Tesistore

I thought I read somewhere that it costs 100 million a year to have the UN peacekeepers there - How much of that goes into Kofi's pockets

Exactly what I ask about all the UN monies.
F*CK THE UN

# 74 Any:

From yout article:

Assessment: Nasrallah Is in the Iranian Embassy in Beirut - Ben Caspit
The latest intelligence assessment in Israel is that Nasrallah is hiding in the basement of the Iranian Embassy in Beirut. Even though there is no final determination, more and more Israeli officials are pointing at the Iranian Embassy, which is under Iranian sovereignty and benefits from diplomatic immunity like all embassies. (Maariv-Hebrew, 26Jul06)

So let Israelis bomb the hell out of the Iranian embassy! It's not like the Iranians take embassy sovereignty seriously anyway.

/That track record thingy

{rubs eyes}
What year is it? How long have I been asleep?

This is on the cbc?!?!?!?!

#16 Hhar
Yes!

Cheers to Canadian Major General Lewis Mackenzie.

The statements were really outstanding. I wish they could appear in the mainstream press, for example The New York Times.

We received emails from him a few days ago, and he was describing the fact that he was taking fire within, in one case, three meters of his position for tactical necessity, not being targeted. Now that’s veiled speech in the military. What he was telling us was Hezbollah soldiers were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them. And that’s a favorite trick by people who don’t have representation in the UN. They use the UN as shields knowing that they can’t be punished for it.

I doubt that CNN or MSNBC are going to give any hint of this fact that Hizballah soldiers have been all over this position. But maybe Fox News? I hope so. These days all we hear are the words of Kofi on this, and it is good to get some perspective.

#152 Occasional Reader

1 And I beheld a great red dragon,
2 and a woman clothed in a skimpy, tiny, bit of cloth
3 in which she bathed herself in the sea,
4 and verily she was tall, and tan, and young, and lovely.

5 And I shined the light of my countenance upon her, and yet she saw me not.

/bummer

#149 Bobgranholm,

Furthermore, waiting for 'the rapture' is a fools game. There ain't no such thing.

Though not specifically called the "rapture," I can assure you that any student of the Bible should understand the one gone, one left in the twinkling of an eye.

#191 galloping granny,

Simultaneously, I have met a tremendous number of "Christians" that simply do not comprehend that Jesus Christ was first and foremost a Jew, as were every single one of his original followers.

Not all. Luke was greek.

180 Ariel

That's not exactly true. The Jewish people may not realize it, but there are two covenants. Just ask your own prophet Jeremiah.

Jer 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

If I didn't know any better, I would swear that this sounds an awful lot like "Christianity". That's why Paul said we were grafted into Israel and that it's not anything we have done. We (Gentiles) can't approach G_d without coming through this very covenant, hence the reason most fundamentalist Christians are defending Israel. You're our older siblings.

191 Galloping Granny

Just to point out something, the reason most Christians don't understand G_d's covenant with Israel is because they've been told that it was broken when Israel rejected Christ. This is in direct opposition to what the scriptures actually say, yet most Christians are biblically illiterate. Christians who are well read and grounded in true biblical doctrine consider Israel as their older siblings and recognize that the Jews deserve the respect of that position. The Anti-semitism that crept into Christianity came about with the rise of the Catholic Church during the 4th and 5th Century, due to it's almost total gentile composition.

149 bob

Like goodbye said in 203, the doctrine of the Rapture is a sound doctrine and the idea is found in both the OT as well as the NT. The name "rapture" isn't found in the english, but instead it's found in the latin Vulgate. The actual term used in the original language is "Harpazo", meaning "caught up".

Paladin1,

For a biblical student of Revelation, they should notice, if nothing else, the "Church" is not mentioned in Chapters 4-19 during the Tribulation.

My question to those who question the validity of the Rapture is what happened to the Church then? Because it magically reappears in Chapter 20-22.

goodbye

I would also point out that the Church and Israel are two seperate entities. Israel has G_d as her husband while the Church is the bride to be of Christ. Hence the reason we look at Ruth and Naomi as a type and shadow of the Church and Israel.

Don't tell Randi Rhodes. She's continuing to broadcast only the "poor UN" side of the story.

Luckily - her audience is a pack of retarded leftists who love her lies.

Could someone please provide a transcript of the broadcast as I can't open the above link.

#74 Amy: if Nasrallah is in the Iranian embassy, perhaps the tactic employed by the U.S. of blaring loud rock music at all hours could be used? Or other nuisance tactics that would not technically violate Iranian sovereignty but would apply pressure to get him out of there?

I think the UN and Hezbollah are traditionally good buddies. This is from a couple years ago...

[Link: energycommerce.house.gov...]

On page 155 of “Inside the Asylum” there is a picture of a “UN peacekeepers’” position on the Israel-Lebanon border. A copy of that picture is attached to this statement. In it, you see two flags flying side by side. One is the UN flag, the other the flag of Hezbollah. While in Israel last November, I spoke to an Israeli soldier who had been stationed at an IDF post on the Israeli side. He told me how the UN “peacekeepers” lived in comfortable coexistence with the murderers of Hezbollah, using the same telephones, sharing water supplies. Were it up to me, not another American dime would be paid to the UN while that Hezbollah flag flies. I wonder: how many other terrorists take advantage of similar UN hospitality elsewhere in the Middle East and around the world?

UN peacekeepers serve mostly as hostages, human shields or at best useless, clueless potted plants on the battlefield.

Look at them in the Yugoslavian civil war. The Serbs threatened to annihilate Dutch UN peacekeepers in order to make sure no air attacks would hinder them in their assault on Srebenica ( not that I support the Moslems there or anything, just saying).

In Mogadishu, Somalia, the Pakistani UN peacekeepers were driving armored vehicles around in circles and taking heavy casualties while American troops were killing huge numbers of the enemy.

D.C #212

Since he's allegedly in the basement, I doubt that playing loud music would be effective.

But maybe Israeli pop music or Hasidic melodies would work, although the EUnuchs would probably label that a war crime... ;)

Paladin1 #205,

I definitely appreciate the support that many Christians give to Israel.

That said, as a Jew, you can't expect me to be a Christian. I can't accept a second covenant of the type promised in Christianity because it's not of the type that I believe in or embody. What's more, given that the second covenant mentioned in Jeremiah is with the house of Israel, I wouldn't be too sure that this implies Christianity. If you quote 31:35:

If these ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.

Given that much of Christianity is about the new covenant and no longer needing the ordinances of Judaism, this suggests that 31:30-34 is not necessarily predicting Christianity.

#216 - Given that much of Christianity is about the new covenant and no longer needing the ordinances of Judaism, this suggests that 31:30-34 is not necessarily predicting Christianity.

Not all non-Jews would disagree with you Amalie. There is a distinct disconnect between what Jesus taught and what Paul taught. Paul is the one directly responsible for the "new covenant."

#216

So "thanks for your support Christian, but your entire religion is a misinterpretation?"

Not very Christian of you.

Sigh.

this was nice - but its not impressive. Give me a george patton standing up for the jews and Ill say im impressed.

remember- he said it himself. The canadian infantry( ? ) was smaller than the toronto police department?

That just doesnt sound right. Canada is a powerful country.

216 Ariel

The whole point of the passage from Jeremiah was that the old ordnances would no longer be necessary. The part from 31:35 means that just as a covenant cannot be broken by G_d (If these ordinances depart from before Me), neither can Israel ever cease to be a nation before Him. (then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.)

Anyway, there are several things foretold in both the Torah and the NT which seem to be on the verge of happening. The destruction of Damascus is one, the resulting war is another, the removal of the Church is one, the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem is a big one as well as the complete turning of Jews back to G_d. The problem is that for Israel to return to her former place, she has to go through what is referred to as "the time of Jacob's trouble" in which a large portion of Jews are killed. The good news is that those who are spared are sealed and protected by G_d, and fulfill the Jews task of turning the entire world to a right relationship with G_d.

Long and the short of it, as long as we're here, true Christians will back Israel to the hilt.

#221 Paladin1

That passage is making it impossible for the nation of Israel(including Judaism) to go away. Exact opposite of what you make it say. The decrees are sun shines during the day and the moon and stars by night, etc. Natural decrees that will never alter until there is a new heaven and a new earth.

Also you & others need to take the time to read Romans 11 in a deliberate fashion and ponder until it makes sense.

#221 Paladin1

That passage is making it impossible for the nation of Israel(including Judaism) to go away. Exact opposite of what you make it say. The decrees are sun shines during the day and the moon and stars by night, etc. Natural decrees that will never alter until there is a new heaven and a new earth.

Also you & others need to take the time to read Romans 11 in a deliberate fashion and ponder until it makes sense.

Uh, guys?

Christians and jews? Real kudos for keeping it civil and all, but a re-direct: can we just agree on something here? Islamists hate our civilisation, they hate our religions, and they have declared war on us. So we wage war back. Israel is in that war now, on the right side. Religion...well, I can't see that trying to justify our respective religions to each other is going to get very far. There has been a lot of water under the old bridge, so...maybe keeping an eye on the ball here is important. We have a civilisation in which disagreement over important things is protected, and in fact encouraged. Let's keep that our priority here.

Just a thought. (expecting disagreement, but what the heck...)

#224 Hhar 7/27/2006 05:42AM PDT

I know the validity of my own. What I'm doing is justifying the validity of Judaism for all the time the earth turns:-)

What you speak to is written clearly in Romans 11. All people need to do is comprehend it.

223 Roger

Umm, maybe I didn't get the point of my post across, but I actually agree with your point and understand what Rom 11 refers towards. You certainly get no disagreement from me, especially considering the position that Israel holds in regards toward G_d.

224 Hhar

I agree Hhar, I understand that there's a long line of bad blood between Christians and Jews and that's why I'm trying to belabor this point. I understand what's at stake and I don't want the Jews to think that all Christians think the Jews have been replaced. I want them to understand that there are those of us who understand and will back their play all the way, no matter what our country does. My allegiance to G_d and His people goes beyond my allegiance to my country. That is what this is really about to many of us, defending Israel.

On Fox News today, they mentioned, and even quoted, the email referred to at the top of this thread. The email says explicitly that the fire on his position by Israel is not deliberate, but is the result of tactical necessity. Hizballah troops are nearby.

The email went out a few days before the tragic accident happened that took his life.

Fox reported this. Why aren't the other news outlets sharing this important information with their news consumers? Why hasn't The New York Times reported it? The NYT claims to report "All the news that's fit to print", and they call themselves "the newspaper of record". Then why shouldn't they report this testimony in an email that is directly contradictory to what Kofi Annan has been saying about whether the hitting of this site was deliberate?

And if all this was known and reported, why is it that Kofi did not remove the UN men from their positions, seeing that there is a war going on and Hizballah is using the UN as human shields?