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1 fluffy  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:46:59pm

First in the water!

2 DistantThunder  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:47:49pm

I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are.

William T. Sherman

3 unclassifiable  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:48:01pm

Charles,

What is that thingy in the cable? Never seen one.

4 a.k.a. Will  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:48:36pm

Here's hoping that's not a bicycle seat.

5 RTLM  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:48:49pm

Nice components! Always wanted those quick shifters.

but I'm too cheap

6 DistantThunder  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:49:04pm

If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast.

William T. Sherman

7 Catttt  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:49:42pm

Or as we say here in Baltimore, downy oshun.

8 unclassifiable  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:50:30pm

#5 RTLM

Got some. Deyz nice!

9 mich-again  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:51:16pm

hmmm. is the message Brake Cable or break the cabal.

10 DistantThunder  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:51:18pm

This war differs from other wars, in this particular. We are not fighting armies but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war.

William Tecumsah Sherman

11 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:52:09pm

Gee, I am visually impaired. Thought the bike with the thingy was a gas pump.

12 Anaxagoras  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:52:28pm

news.bbc.co.uk...] target="_blank">

BBC story about a dicumentary being produced about Atefah Sahaaleh, the 16-year old Iranian girl hanged for the crime of being raped.

13 mkultra  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:52:38pm
14 Timbre  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:52:45pm

The beach would be nice in hot Midland. But I'm OK with a glass of my Infidel Zinfandel and Law & Order Criminal Intent.

15 Anaxagoras  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:52:58pm

Hmmm, try it this way

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

16 rickl  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:52:59pm

#2 DistantThunder

I was just thinking that this might make a good bumper sticker or t-shirt:

WWSD?

(What Would Sherman Do?)

17 average_guy  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:53:35pm

#3 Charles,

What is that thingy in the cable? Never seen one.


Charles will have to answer that for sure, but it looks like a device to indicate which cog is engaged...pretty high tech if so. Charles? (whatever it is, I will probably be envious)

18 mkultra  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:53:38pm
19 Thanos  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:54:19pm

Blue tooth air pressure gage? GPS tracking device? LED brake light indicator? Something he twists to move the playing cards into position against the spokes so the bike makes that cool noise when he's cruising fast?

20 unclassifiable  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:54:22pm

#10 DistantThunder

When this country starts to heed the advice of W.T. Sherman I think that there will be less BS to deal with.

21 Avner  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:54:45pm

Dear Fellow Jews,

If you ever wanted to learn more about your heritage and what it truly means to be a Jew and to live in these times, watch this video:

I watched it a week or so ago and I have to say its so amazing, jam packed with Jewish pride goodness. It teaches you why do we keep Kosher, what makes us different than other civilizations, what does it truly mean to be a Jew. Its around 1.5 hours but trust me, its pure gold in regards in emphazing "What does it mean to be Jewish?"

And for the political spectrum, check out this

as we need to do something as our past leaders are extremly poor and truly un Jewish like, what you will learn is a true sense of morality. As our Talmud states, "When one is merciful to the cruel, they shall be cruel onto the merciful".

Shalom and Am Yisrael Chai!

22 mkultra  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:55:07pm
23 mkultra  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:56:05pm
24 mich-again  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:56:14pm

We are off to Traverse City in the morning. If all y'all think the water is cold in California, you obviously have not ventured into the Northern part of Lake Mich-again. We're talking serious "Shrinkage".

25 Charles  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:56:26pm

That's a gear indicator, shows which rear cog your chain is on -- not high-tech at all, been available for years, it's only about 10 bucks...

26 Split Level Head  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:56:29pm

Inspired by Spooked911 this blogger has experimental proof that the moon landings were faked!

27 wee fury  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:56:33pm

ahh . . . the beach:

-artist: nat king cole
-peak billboard position # 6 in 1963
-words by charles tobias and music by hans carste

Roll out those lazy, hazy, crazy days of summer
Those days of soda and pretzels and beer
Roll out those lazy, hazy, crazy days of summer
Dust off the sun and moon and sing a song of cheer

Just fill your basket full of sandwiches and weenies
Then lock the house up, now youre set
And on the beach youll see the girls in their bikinis
As cute as ever but they never get em wet

Roll out those lazy, hazy, crazy days of summer
Those days of soda and pretzels and beer
Roll out those lazy, hazy, crazy days of summer
Youll wish that summer could always be here

28 average_guy  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:56:42pm

#2 DistantThunder

I was just thinking that this might make a good bumper sticker or t-shirt:

WWSD?

(What Would Sherman Do?)


Or...

What Would Patton Do?

29 unclassifiable  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:58:00pm

#17 average guy

That's what I was thinking but I am out of town and could not look at my bike. Couldn't remember if that is the shift or the brake cable.

/too many things on my mind to store that info

30 average_guy  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:58:35pm

#25 Charles

I'm riding a 20 year old Trek Elance. I guess the guys in my local bike shop haven't tried to see me one because of my ancient wheels.

Thanks for the update!

31 shug  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:59:22pm

Cool. Libs with their heads buried in the sand as far as the eye can see

32 average_guy  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 6:59:39pm

PIMF Sell me one...sheesh

33 DistantThunder  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:01:13pm

If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking.

William Tecumseh Sherman

34 Catttt  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:01:25pm
11 St. Pancake 7/27/2006 08:52PM PDT
Gee, I am visually impaired. Thought the bike with the thingy was a gas pump.


Oh, good. So did I.

/great minds think alike.

35 unclassifiable  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:01:59pm

#25

Cool

Probably wouldn't do me any good -- kind of a jazz rider -- do it by feel instead of cadence and monitoring. But cool nonetheless.

Thanks!

36 average_guy  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:02:15pm

That would work a lot better than risking the loss of your shades while you look down to find out which cog is engaged.

37 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:03:36pm

34 Cattt
Lol! Lol!

Ok, can you beat me with this next question?

That's a gear indicator, shows which rear cog your chain is on

What is that, and what does it do?

"muttering to myself on my hi tech bike cluelessness"

I have a plain bike, the same type of bike Pat Nixon would have ridden.

38 DistantThunder  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:04:07pm

My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

William Tecumseh Sherman

39 mich-again  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:04:53pm

25 Charles

That's a gear indicator

Free automotive assembly lesson here:

My bizness is full of nutty terms that few outside our closed world have ever heard of. In car assembly, a gear indicator is generally referred to as a Prindle (as in Park, Reverse, Nuetral, Drive, Low)

And there are dogbones, beavertails, bat wings, noses, rockers, doglegs, shark teeth, torque rods, check links, backlights, heck I could go on and on...

40 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:05:01pm

Hizbullah's real goal is racist: To free the Middle East holy lands of Jews

Sometimes an apology can be quite revealing. Consider the one recently issued by Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hizbullah. He apologized to the families of two Israeli children who were killed by a Hizbullah rocket that hit the Christian holy city of Nazareth. He called them shahids, martyrs, even though they did not choose to die at the hands of Hizbullah terrorists.
The apology was issued not because they were children or innocent bystanders, but because they were Israeli Arabs and not Jews. Hizbullah's rockets are aimed at Jews, and earn cheers whenever they kill a Jewish baby or grandmother. No apologies there.

41 Killer Tomato  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:05:40pm

Just kind of wondering out loud here...

if we went through all the archives, could we pull enough photos and put them together to get a complete picture of Charles' bike?

42 DistantThunder  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:06:10pm

War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.


William T. Sherman

43 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:06:47pm
44 Catttt  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:08:12pm

37 St. Pancake

I had a mountain bike that did stuff (like running over bumpy things, which was fun). When I was going too fast, I'd squeeze this thingy. If the chain made funny noises, I'd squeeze this thingy. That's the extent of my understanding.

45 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:08:41pm

Tomato
Lol. Normally I would say "hooray". For security's sake, I do not want to know.

Hope you are doing well.

46 average_guy  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:09:13pm

Distant Thunder

Interesting that you quote General Sherman. I travel through his birthplace, Lancaster, Ohio, every day as part of my job. There is a three-story mural of him in uniform on one of the downtown buildings, so I see him every day. We as a country are in need of men, statesmen with a gravel gut, like Gen. Sherman.

Thanks for the quotes!

47 mich-again  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:09:20pm

42 DistantThunder

That quote is the exact opposite of the apparent UN mission statement. "Make every war last as long as possible."

Now I could be wrong. And maybe someday they'll name a tank after Kofi...

48 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:10:11pm

Cattt
Oh, thank you for joining me in the high tech bike clueless club. As a kid, we used a playing card to hear the cool noise the card made when placed into a spinning wheel.

49 Catttt  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:10:27pm

Is anyone else's cat pouting under the bed because he didn't get fried chicken for dinner? Mine is.

/He may be a tad spoiled.

50 Catttt  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:11:41pm

#48 St. Pancake

Oh, yeah, we did that card and clothes pin thing (do people still even HAVE clothes pins?)

51 Wumpus Hunter  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:11:47pm

#41...

I'd make a guess that Charles' bike is always in a state of slow change. An upgrade here, a tweak there... Maybe only the frame is static...

Just guessing...

52 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:12:43pm

49 Cattt
Mine are not pouting. They ordered me to open a can of tuna for them. At this moment, they are crashed on the easy chair.

53 Killer Tomato  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:12:56pm

St. P

I just want to know if he really has the playing cards against the spokes so the bike makes that cool noise when he's cruising fast (as per #19 Thanos)!

These photos are probably of a prop bike anyway. Bet Charles has an invisible bike.

Doing OK! And heading to bed. See you on the FNDT?

54 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:13:14pm

Little Pig the Cat can hardly wait for the skin and 'knuckles'. Already in the kitchen, on the carpet, keeping brother dogs out.:)Yes, it is chix for dinner.

55 Stuck in california  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:13:55pm

#49 Cattt

One of my cats is trying to walk on my keyboard...the war is on!

56 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:14:16pm

50 Cattt
Yes, my Filipino sister-in-law still hangs up the clothes utilizing the old-fashioned clothes pins. Something comforting about them.

57 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:15:28pm

#52 St. Pancake

Re that Tuna. Pig will only eat Figueroa brand. Which does smell good enough to mix with Mayo in a pinch.

58 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:15:31pm

53 Killer Tomato
I really do hope that Charles has not missed out on this really cool piece of Americana. :)

Nite, and sleep well!

59 Catttt  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:15:44pm

52 St. Pancake

He had tuna last night. He ate it, but he prefers roast or fried chicken. He gave me the "this isn't chicken, but I'll eat it" look.

My other cat likes cat kibble, any brand.

60 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:17:06pm

Mine insist on the low-sodium tuna. I want them to live a long and productive life.
Ask any cat what productive means.

61 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:18:09pm

Sherman at Shiloh is what really matters.

62 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:18:26pm

#50 Cattt
If you don't have cloths pins, how do you dry your clothes? (Yes, we do. And the sheets and towels feel great).

63 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:18:29pm

59 Cattt
Strangely, mine are not into chicken. They adore the aroma, but eat very little of it.

64 Catttt  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:19:41pm

63 St. Pancake

What can I say - he's Siamese. He also likes Entenmann's cheese Danish.

65 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:20:38pm

Another example of Muslim cluelessness about our take on world affairs.

Lurid language

So what are these “false grievances”? Could this include Britain’s increasingly despicable policy towards the Middle East conflict, endorsed by its silence on the inhumane disaster caused by Israel’s renewed bombardments of Gaza and Lebanon, when ministers even refused to call for a ceasefire or condemn killing of civilians by the Israeli forces, whilst they demonise as ‘terrorists’ fighters who attacked Israeli personnel? By acting as an apologist, the Government has become more Israeli than the Israelis. “If we want to defeat extremism, we have got to defeat its ideas,” the Prime Minister said. If this includes any criticism of the Government’s foreign policy, then we are all extremists not only Muslims, but peace campaigners, anti-war demonstrators, civil rights movements and human rights groups.
66 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:21:27pm

Cattt
Oh, that is great. Mine do enjoy a bit of butter and cream cheese too.

67 Stuck in california  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:22:36pm

Billy, my wonderful cat, when I put his waterbowl on a towel would grab the towel and drag it around the room. Alas, his name is now "Stop that you POS!"

68 cbinflux  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:24:26pm

At least for that moment Charles' evil bicycle isn't polluting Mother Earth, and stoking global warming.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Are Cyclists Destroying the Earth? By DAN MITCHELL
KARL T. ULRICH, a professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, has put forth a provocative theory. Traveling by bicycle, he argued in a recent paper, may cause more environmental harm than driving around in pollution-spewing, fossil-fuel-swallowing cars and sport utility vehicles.
How can this be? Bicyclists are healthier, he wrote, so they live longer. Over their lifetimes, they consume more energy than they save...

69 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:25:58pm

#15 Anaxagoras

I'm shocked that the Beeb would show the land of the hezbos in such an unfavorable light..somehow the execution must have been Bush's fault

70 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:26:07pm

(Almost totally O/T, but come to think of it, this one does involve a bitch and a tomcat, as well as a skunk and a weasel.. This is just delicious. Lengthy, but delicious:

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

71 DistantThunder  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:26:25pm

Once we have a war there is only one thing to do. It must be won. For defeat brings worse things than any that can ever happen in war.

--Ernest Miller Hemmingway--

72 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:26:37pm

68 cbinflux
My response? Pass the Danish and pasta, please.

73 Render  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:29:32pm

"Put your trust in God, but keep your powder dry."

- Oliver Cromwell

MULLIGAN!,
R

74 a.k.a. Will  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:30:15pm

#68 cbinflex

How can this be? Bicyclists are healthier, he wrote, so they live longer. Over their lifetimes, they consume more energy than they save...

And the logical end of that guy's thinking is that, if all humans just died, the world would be a better place.

No energy consumption and no man made pollution.

75 Carridine  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:30:15pm

Pancake! Great to see you back!

Hey, All! I predicted it! Landis accused of doping! The French had a backup strategy to win, in place all the time!

Try Landis in the Court of Public Opinion, falsifying samples, and grinning to an American non-victory!

76 cbinflux  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:30:34pm

North Korea/NYTimes
[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

77 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:31:06pm

If one can stomach anymore crap this fine evening, there is this bowl of gruel.

Islamic Rules of Combat

78 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:32:10pm

Hiya Carradine!
Good to see you, dear. Hope you and your family are well.

79 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:33:18pm

Israel 'targeting Arab journalists'

A leading journalist freedom group today demanded an "immediate investigation" into reports that Israel is targeting Arab television crews operating in southern Lebanon.

It is the latest in mounting criticism that Israel is making little distinction between civilians and combatants in its campaign in Lebanon.

The Committee to Protect Journalists' (CPJ's) call came after several Arab TV stations said Israeli aircraft fired missiles within 75 metres of them on July 22, in an apparent bid to stop them covering the effect of Israel's bombardment around the town of Khiam.

So far, at least two journalists and media workers have been killed, and another seven wounded since fighting began on July 12, following the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers by Hizbollah guerrillas.

In all, at least 420 Lebanese have been killed since the start of the fighting, most of them civilians, while 52 Israelis have died, including 34 military personnel.

The strikes in question were directed at TV crews, especially those of the independent satellite channels Al Jazeera and Al-Arabiya and the Hizbollah-affiliated Al-Manar channel, said Ghassan Benjeddou, Al Jazeera's Lebanon bureau chief.

80 cbinflux  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:33:19pm

#75
It's all relative...

Landis' testosterone levels vs. that of an avg. white-flag-waving fwenchman

81 Tasty_Beverage  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:33:38pm

All these Sherman quotes made me think of something: do you think it's a healthy thing that many American citizens enjoy dressing up and re-enacting Civil War battles? I happen to think it's a very positive way of putting away hard feelings and accepting the past, and actually appreciating it as the major historical event of our history.

But does any other nation that has experienced civil war do this, or is it just us, and are we nuts (or just silly)?

82 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:35:19pm

#75,

Yeah, wouldn't they just LOVE it, since they came up empty on each of Lance's tests.
The Frogs say that Landis' tests showed an ' irregularity in testosterone levels', which is pretty funny, since that has been missing from French blood for decades now.

He gets more detailed tests this week... maybe they will be okay.

83 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:35:39pm
84 sammysdad  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:36:20pm

We feed a young stray cat. He shows no inclination to be a pet, house cat. He just comes around when there is poor hunting in our woods. His favorite is Alaskan Sockeye Salmon. Won't eat dry kibbles. Cats are almost as funny as dogs..

85 St. Pancake  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:36:35pm

Hi Tasty
No, the English also do reanactments of their Civil War, along with Napoleonic battles etc.

Here are some examples.


ECW

86 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:36:52pm

I have a weasel in my freezer...

87 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:37:38pm
88 unclassifiable  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:37:39pm

#68 cbinflux

So if I'm following Prof. Ulrich correctly if we killed everyone at birth we would not have any energy problems.

Prof. Ulrich has educated himself to mental retardation.

89 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:38:20pm
90 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:38:24pm

#86 Amalie,

I have a weasel in my freezer...

I found myself almost afraid to ask this? Who put it there? LOL

91 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:38:40pm
92 Stuck in california  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:38:59pm

#86 Amalie

I'm divorcing a weasel. What a coincidence...;-D

93 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:39:55pm
94 Live4Truth  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:40:13pm

It's been awhile since I've been involved in bicycles. So, where's the shifting lever? All I see in the picture is (what appears to be) the brake lever, and (according to Charles) a gear-shift cable leading into it.

95 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:40:16pm

I put the weasel in the freezer.

:D

96 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:40:28pm

#86 Amalie
If that weasel is your ex, keep him on ice.

On another note, Atlas has a good historical approach on why we can never appease Muslims.

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

97 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:40:31pm
98 Stuck in california  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:42:07pm

#97 ploome

HER! I'm stupid...

99 Tasty_Beverage  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:42:35pm

#85 St. Pancake

Here are some examples

Aw, thanks! I love this stuff. I had a feeling (seriously) that if anybody else does it, it would be the Brits. Like ploome said:

I think its like a costume party

the Brits love those

Exactly.

100 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:43:40pm

#25 Charles,

You sure you don't have impeller hidden for those 18 degree grades? Looks something similar to my fuel gauge on the WaveRunner.

If I was a biker, I'd be cheating like a mother...

101 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:43:40pm

In a bid for equal time down here, a quote from Robert E. Lee, one that the surrender monkeys on the left should have drilled into them:

Never do a wrong thing to make a friend or keep one.

102 mich-again  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:44:13pm

56 St Pancake

Even though we own one of those newfangled clothes dryers, we still hang up most all of our clothes to dry.

Doesn't everyone?

103 pbird  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:44:37pm

Yikes. I have a weasel in my bathroom. (its really a ferret) I feed him raw meat and he makes messes and raises hell.

104 Catttt  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:44:50pm
105 Catttt  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:46:14pm

Addendum - men may go blind with the American man pic. :)

106 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:46:33pm

#89,

bitch -- Val

tomcat -- Slick

skunk -- Wilson

weasel -- Jefferson

107 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:46:47pm
108 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:47:09pm

#39 mich,

My bizness is full of nutty terms that few outside our closed world have ever heard of. In car assembly, a gear indicator is generally referred to as a Prindle (as in Park, Reverse, Nuetral, Drive, Low)

And there are dogbones, beavertails, bat wings, noses, rockers, doglegs, shark teeth, torque rods, check links, backlights, heck I could go on and on...

You got nothing on the aerospace companies. Once, when I was a newbie out of college, the guy told me this "tombstone" would be used to attach the wing to the fuselage. And it did look like a tombstone.

I wasn't sure I wanted to fly anymore.

109 Evan from NZ  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:47:13pm

Another interesting piece I dug up just now:

The Hidden History of the Israeli Conflict

Here's how the joker introduces his piece:

This is not a comprehensive history, just a few dry facts soaked in the tears of Palestinian mothers and the blood of Palestinian children.

He'll give Arundhati Roy a run for her money in the melodrama stakes.

110 Catttt  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:48:48pm

#85 St. Pancake

And I'll never forget the Batley Women's Guild's reinactment of the Battle of Pearl Harbor.

111 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:53:52pm

Ploome

I found one for Zulubaby from the Washington Post..

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

By John Ward Anderson
The Washington Post
Updated: 1 hour, 36 minutes ago

HAIFA, Israel, July 27 - At the port of Haifa, the parking lots are empty and the docks are vacant. Long chains with hooks at their ends dangle from tall, silent cranes, swaying gently in the Mediterranean breeze. The only sign of life is a white security vehicle making lonely laps

112 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:54:17pm

Cat palates are too finicky for my tastes.

My female lab just came back from consuming 7-8 cicadas off the church parking lot. I point to them. She eats them.

Are dogs great or what?

113 Nobody's Dhimmi  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:54:32pm

#104

oh baby

thanks for that

114 Patrizio  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 7:56:09pm

California dremain'...wish I was there

115 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:02:58pm

The other night I watched a piece of junk called "Project Runway" or something like that with my two teenage daughters.

They thought I was interested in fashion. What they didn't know was the old man was ogling this:

My Girlfriend

116 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:07:39pm

Hey you Southern Americans read up... the Deaniacs have a plan for you!

From KOS:

wonkytonker's diary :: ::
We also believe that the way to win back Southern voters, and working class voters in general, is with a progressive populist campaign. Just like working folks everywhere, Southern Americans want universal healthcare, real education reform, an end to payola politics, and Fair Trade. And just like working folks everywhere, Southern folks are angry about what they see happening to their jobs, their security, their way of life, and the American dream.

117 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:13:58pm

#116 Amalie

And just like working folks everywhere, Southern folks are angry about what they see happening to their jobs, their security, their way of life, and the American dream.

Damn straight. We want an open season no bag limit on them commie bastard liberals.

118 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:16:18pm
Why are Americans still fighting -- killing and destroying -- on foreign soil? How long can America sustain it's killing people abroad.

Another jewel from KOS..

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

119 Bordm  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:17:13pm

Checked the menu over, don’t see weasel on the list. So far it’s pork spare ribs, yard bird, Zummo sausage, boudain, grilled shrimp, jambalaya, potato salad, baked beans and various deserts. Nope, no weasel on the menu so far. The grills will be fired up Saturday morning and Nam will sit in a chair and drink beer slave over them until everyone is fed. Miss Trixie made it in safe and semi sound, Nam and I gave her the 3 hour tour of the area today. Yeah, yeah, I know, what did we do with the other 2 hrs and 55 mins.

120 Tasty_Beverage  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:17:40pm

#116 Amalie

Can you give the link for that? I want to see if the koslims can restrain themselves from using their favorite epithets/stereotypes for Southerners.

121 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:20:48pm

Hey, Bordm! (grin)

Yum!

122 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:22:01pm

119 Bordm

If you guys need some weasel you know where to find me...

:D

123 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:24:44pm

120 Tasty _B

Here's your link..

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

/I think it showed a slight "misunderstanding" of southerners.. calling them.. "southern americans" tipped me off.

:D

124 Bordm  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:27:13pm

Hi ya SwampWoman

Since you can't make it this time we crossed milk shakes and Krispy Kremes off the list and decided to go with Pat O'Brien’s hurricanes and boudain instead. ;)

125 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:27:17pm

Tasty_B

I checked the comments for that particular diary. Nothing nasty but what is up with the habit of posting a quote with every comment over on KOS?

126 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:32:42pm

#124 Bordm

Thanks. I couldn't have taken it if y'all would have had chocolate peanut butter milkshakes and Krispy Kremes on the menu.

/Along with Diet Coke, of course.

127 Bordm  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:33:21pm

#122 Amalie

Hmm, never barbequed weasel before, does it taste anything like nutria or racoon?

128 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:34:41pm

LOL...

Care to guess where this is from?


My website is devoted primarily to exploring the various ways in which you suck in more detail, updated on a daily basis, and the mere fact that you do not visit it more often to learn how much you always suck is a perfect, ruby-studded example of your further suckiness. As a fully trained and vested suckographer, I have a suckometer poll on my site that will measure your suckitude based on how much you refuse to recognize my genius, and will assign you a number on the Suckter scale meant to represent your sucktasticness.
129 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:34:49pm

Hello everybody :)

"Those who have the feebleness of quoting others, are fools who waste their time miserably in futile attempts to absorb what intelligent people think"
Septimius Severus.

130 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:35:27pm

Mmmm... this Diet Coke and Krispy Kreme donut tastes sooo good.

/torture post

131 unclassifiable  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:36:20pm

#126 SwampWoman

My kind of balanced meal -- whatever you want to eat and a diet coke.

/guilt makes you fat and diet coke removes guilt

132 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:36:36pm

129 Miguel

Those who have the feebleness of quoting others, are fools who waste their time miserably in futile attempts to absorb what intelligent people think"
Septimius Severus.

Yes! A big cheer for Miguel..

/we should start writing our own quotes..

133 surfer dude  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:38:50pm

Hey Charles,

Sweet ride...I'm no expert, but is that a Huffy?

134 Steffan  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:39:07pm

Interesting post Tim Blair has: Pluto is heating up. Most of his commenters blame Kyoto. Some of them, pretending to be DUmmies, insist that GWB did it.

I blame it on Setsuna. She hasn't gotten any since the fall of the Silver Millennium.

135 Fjordman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:39:14pm

Welcome to Third World Europe, where people from developing countries are warned against visiting Western Europe because of the lack of law and order:

Bangkok Warns: Avoid France

Foreign Ministry has cautioned Thai citizens to consider postponing or cancelling travelling to France particularly this period because of the threat of crime. [...] In the past month, at least four robberies occurred to embassy cars [...]. A thief broke the window of an embassy car in which the Thai commercial attache was traveling when it had stopped at the intersection of a busy road. The diplomat was slightly injured when he resisted the thief [...] Last month, a thief broke an embassy vehicle’s window while it was stopping at a crowded road. A group of visiting high-ranking Thai officials were on the vehicle. [...] The ministry has earlier suggested that Thais avoid traveling alone, stay clear of isolated places and pay particular attention to passing motorbikes – the vehicle of choice for French thieves.

136 unclassifiable  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:40:29pm

#128 Amalie

Monica Lewinski's web site?

/the scandal gift that keeps on giving

137 cbinflux  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:40:49pm

#23 mkultra

A car company can move its factories to Mexico and claim it's a free
market.

A toy company can out source to a Chinese subcontractor and claim it's a
free market.

A shoe company can produce its shoes in south east Asia and claim it's
free market.

A major bank can incorporate in Bermuda to avoid taxes and claim it's a
free market.

We can buy HP Printers made in Mexico.
We can buy shirts made in Bangladesh.
We can purchase almost anything we want from 20 different countries

BUT, heaven help the elderly who dare to buy their prescription drugs
from a Canadian pharmacy..

That's called un-American! And you think the pharmaceutical companies
don't have a powerful lobby? Think again!

Maybe this is an issue that should come up in the next election!

138 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:43:03pm

135 fjordman

Knowing Bangkok.. this article is quite amazing.

139 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:45:28pm

Thanks Amalie :)

"I'm sick and tired of being quoted by fools"
Sir Winsnton Spencer Churchill.

140 MisterCookie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:47:07pm

Maddox is, once again, completely correct:
[Link: www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net...]

141 Bordm  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:47:51pm

Guilt: the best gift to give, the worst gift to receive.

142 Piglet-U93  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:48:44pm

OT Bolton

[Link: news.bostonherald.com...]

On the Foreign Relations panel, Sen. George Voinovich last year voiced strong opposition to the White House’s nominee - the sole Republican to align with the committee’s Democrats on the issue.
The Ohio lawmaker claimed he had concerns about Bolton’s management style/interpersonal skills. It was hooey then, and it’s hooey now.
But Voinovich converted, writing in a Washington Post column that he’s impressed by Bolton’s first year at the U.N. Voinovich now would vote to confirm Bolton, and warns Senate colleagues that failing to show unity on the nominee will only weaken our international position at a critical time.
This time, Voinovich is on the mark. America needs to speak with one strong voice at the United Nations.
Bolton has that voice. No shrinking violet, he’s just the type of no-nonsense, “get ’er done” diplomat Washington needs.

143 Catttt  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:50:16pm

128 Amalie

www.fellatio.com? (Don't click on that!)

144 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:52:52pm

#141 Bordm 7/27/2006 10:47PM PDT

Guilt: the best gift to give, the worst gift to receive.


Bordm...

Really good one..

145 Tasty_Beverage  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:54:55pm

#123 &
#125 Amalie

Thanks for the link. Those idiots just turned it into a music thread, as if music is the answer to their problems down south. They have not a clue -- just stir up class hatred, their plan for everywhere else anyway.

As for why they end every comment with a signature or quote? With them, from the selection of quotes you see on any given kos thread, it's obvious the pretentious losers are just trying to appear intelligent and sophisticated. Annoying.

146 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:54:57pm

143 Cattt

[Link: www.ihc.ucsb.edu...]


/I wouldn't if I were you...

147 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:56:55pm

145 Tasty B

Perhaps I am being too harsh on the quote freaks over on KOS...

148 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 8:57:15pm

Good evening, Lizards.

I have a hypothetical question for you all. Say you had a good friend once. One of your best friends for a couple of years. Now say that a few years back he screwed you over. Really betrayed you, so he becomes your worst enemy. Then, let's say a few years later, you learn he has just died.

So, do you go to the funeral (which will be filled with people you really don't want to see), or do you just say, "fuck it and fuck him"?

149 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:02:14pm

148 lizard by the bay

So okay... let's fast forward five years. Do you think you will wish you had paid your last respects... at their funeral?

150 mbruce  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:02:47pm

#148,depends if there is a reception with free food and drinks after.

151 cbinflux  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:03:03pm

#148
Remember the good times, and forget the rest.

152 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:03:29pm

150 mbruce

LOL ~

153 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:03:41pm

Catt,

www.fellatio.com? (Don't click on that!)

Too late. How exactly did you come across that link anyway?

I have a manager where I work who can't resist dispensing sexual advice to her female subordinates. She loves oral sex from what I can gather.

Women will be women and they'll talk about some kinky, X-rated topics. But that kind of fraternization between labor and management strikes me as a tad unprofessional.

154 mbruce  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:04:48pm

Or,Lizard, i am in the EB so I will go as your representative and get all sloppy drunk and cry and stuff, I'll even take pics.

155 mungagungadin  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:06:25pm

148 Lizard by the bay

a. You go, and tell the wife he owed you money.
b. You go, and tell the family that the dead truly desired to be buried with the rubber duckie you provide.
c. You don't go, and relax in karma completed.

You know what's going on in my head tonight? I'm thinking how great a shock the democrats are going to receive when Republicans sweep the congress in November. Dummies always equate fear or disapproval as being bad for the status quo government, but in this case they are wrong. Even the unhappy patriots are still patriots in wartime. It's only peace that makes the conceits of socialism plausible.

Let's take bets- loser has to do my dishes- what are the believed odds on losing either house?

156 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:07:30pm

153 Dirk

Women will be women and they'll talk about some kinky, X-rated topics.

The only person who gets to talk to me about their kinky x-rated topics is a lover of mine.

I don't want to hear it from anyone else.

Does this make me a weirdo?

157 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:08:24pm

#154 mbruce 7/27/2006 11:04PM PDT

Or,Lizard, i am in the EB so I will go as your representative and get all sloppy drunk and cry and stuff, I'll even take pics.

Oh! LOL ~~

I can do this too.. LOL

158 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:09:03pm

Amalie
No. Just a Weirod.

159 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:10:05pm

Pat

Thanks.

/LOL

160 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:10:38pm

#155 munga


c. You don't go, and relax in karma completed.

Yup, I think that's the winner!

161 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:13:43pm

Amalie,

Does this make me a weirdo?

Definitely. I'm sorry to say it Amalie, but not divulging the intimate details of you're sex life to anyone who passes by makes you weirod.

/:-P

162 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:14:55pm

#148 LBTB

Put me down in the FIAFH category.

163 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:15:42pm

Pat,

Amalie
No. Just a Weirod.

Pat you bastard you stole my weirod.

164 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:16:21pm

Damn, Jane Seymore was hot when she was young! (watching my new Ultimate Edition DVD of Live and Let Die)

165 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:17:41pm

Dirk Diggler

Isn't there supposed to be some mystery in a relationship?

166 mungagungadin  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:18:05pm

Whenever I have a dirty thought, I run tell my husband.

167 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:18:44pm

166 munga

LOL ~

168 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:20:04pm

In the Catholic Church, thinking it is the same as doing it.

/there's my quote of the day

169 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:21:20pm

Wierods. Noun. A heavy length of metal or dense wood used to beat sense in cultists or Moonbats(see Moonbats). Never used on spouses or familial members. No known derivation. It is suggested by the context that a weirod may bring reason to the delusional. Usage: I beat Cindy with a weirod and she started to cry for Casey.

170 ChenZhen  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:22:02pm

Evening everyone...

I'm trying to find a link that lists the countries that don't recognise Israel. More specifically, I was wondering if the new Iraqi government recognises Israel. Can anyone help me out?

Sorry if this is a stupid question , but I haven't found it anywhere.

171 mungagungadin  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:22:24pm

GOOD NIGHT MY LGF FRIENDS!

(everyone)

172 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:22:59pm
In the Catholic Church, thinking it is the same as doing it.

*sigh* If only real life worked that way... Oh wait, is this one of those times where I'm missing the point again?

173 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:23:21pm

Goodnight Mungagungadin!

Love your nic and your posts!

174 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:23:22pm

#163 Dirk Diggler

I get called a bastard here as much as work.

175 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:24:32pm

#170 ChenZhen

NO

176 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:25:00pm

174 pat

What do you do for a living? Of course you know Dirk meant it in a loving way..

:}

177 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:26:28pm

172 Lizard By The Bay

It's damned if you don't and damned if you do...

If you think it.

/does that help?

lol

178 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:27:29pm

Amalie
Of course I know Dirk was joshing. He is one of us.

179 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:28:04pm

Pat

He is?

180 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:28:07pm
Isn't there supposed to be some mystery in a relationship?

In a relationship? I thought we were just talking about not divulging sexual secrets to acquaintances or friends?

But since you brought it up, I don't think mystery is good when it comes to the physical aspects of a relationship.

Be honest and communicate. What do you like what does he like in bed. Why hold back? "Trial and Error" does not strike me as a recipe for a fulfilling sex life.

181 PDM  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:29:09pm

#148 Lizard By The Bay,

I have a hypothetical question for you all. Say you had a good friend once. One of your best friends for a couple of years. Now say that a few years back he screwed you over. Really betrayed you, so he becomes your worst enemy. Then, let's say a few years later, you learn he has just died.

So, do you go to the funeral (which will be filled with people you really don't want to see), or do you just say, "fuck it and fuck him"?

You go.

182 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:29:44pm

#155,

The Congressional Quarterly, which has accurately predicted the last few years of midterm and four-year elections, says that the Republicans will narrowly hold the House , with a reduced advantage in the Senate than they now hold but retaining the majority there as well.

I would take your bet re the Senate, but I am worried about the House. The mere sound of the words Speaker Pelosi and Chairman Rangel is panic-inducing.

183 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:30:02pm

180 Dirk

I was referring to the beginning of a relationship. Not whipping off your pants the first date. Not becoming too intimate too soon. Establishing some trust.

Then all bets are off.

184 mfarmer1  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:30:29pm

Sorry if this is a repeat:

[Link: www.somebodyhelpme.info...]

Wow! Brigitte Gabriel should replace Rice, Bolton, and Rumsfeld all at the same time!

185 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:31:11pm

Amalie
Was it not you, the other night, who implied that "Dirk Diggler" was a porn star? Care to explain?

186 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:31:46pm

# 182 tw

The dems are not going to pick up 10 seats, let alone the ~18 to get a majority ...

187 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:33:15pm

Pat

You've never heard of Dirk Diggler before?

188 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:34:03pm

#181 PDM

You go.

Yeah, well, that's what I thought at first. But you know something, it's been about two days since I found out he was dead, and strangely enough, I still hate his guts for what he did to me. Being dead hasn't really changed that. I don't know, maybe it just means I'm a bad person, but that's the way I feel.

Anyways, I still haven't decided to go yet. My ex-wife will be there which alone is an argument for being in another state on that day.

189 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:34:14pm

#186 Buckaroo
I agree.

190 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:36:38pm
191 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:37:31pm

Amalie,

I was referring to the beginning of a relationship. Not whipping off your pants the first date. Not becoming too intimate too soon. Establishing some trust.

Then all bets are off.

What do I know. I haven't dated anybody seriously for two years.

Me dispensing relationship advice is like the blind leading the blind through a minefield and off a cliff.

It's L-A-T-E. I gotta get some sleep. See ya tommorrow, chica.

192 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:38:55pm

Dirk

It is late. Goodnight, Dirk.

/I don't know anything either..

193 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:39:05pm

Amalie

Of course not. Do you not know where I come from? I did not have TV until I was 11. And that was 2 stations for 8 years. In high school TV wasn't even allowed. We had to learn from real girls.

194 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:39:32pm

#188 LBTB

Well, you could always break out in applause whenever somebody says something about "the deceased".

You could take a whiz on the casket before it gets in the ground.

You could wear a bright-colored Hawaiian shirt and hum "Oh what a beautiful morning!" from Oklahoma.

195 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:39:40pm

#116 Amalie,

Born and raised in the Delta and laughing my butt off at that ' Southern Americans ' thing. Think I will write Dr Dean and ask him ' Who are ya'll talkin' about, Brazilians'?

196 fluffy  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:40:34pm

#188 LBtB


My ex-wife will be there

Say no more.

197 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:41:53pm

Pat

Here you go:

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Boogie Nights : The story of a young man's adventures in the Californian pornography industry of the 1970s and 1980s.

/This is where the name Dirk Diggler came from..

198 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:43:09pm

#186, buckaroo,

From your lips keyboard to God's ears...

199 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:43:29pm

LBTB

And you could tell your ex-wife "Whoa, have you ever packed on the lbs.!"

/Even if she would disappear if she turned sideways this pisses women off.

200 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:43:49pm

195 tradewind

Yeah, Southern Americans, made me laugh too. And these people think they know what's good for the south.

201 PDM  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:44:15pm

#188 Lizard By The Bay,

Yeah, well, that's what I thought at first.

That's because your conscience knows immediately what is the right thing to do. Later, you talk yourself out of it.
If that person ever meant anything to you, you should go.
No need to socialize there or hang out longer than needed. But I'd say you should probably do this for you.

202 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:45:02pm

Funerals can be fun if you're not sad the person is dead.

/Bring a beer! Try your pickup lines during the eulogy!

203 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:45:18pm

Amalie

'The plot proved richer than I expected and the underlying themes are teased out quite profoundly as each "B grade" human being is brought, through crisis, into perspective'

I told you Dirk was one of us!(But where are the previews?)

204 Jimmy The Clam  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:45:24pm

#148 Lizard By The Bay

First, he was never REALLY your friend, so you are not obligated to go, but if he has a hot widow or daughter that you can sleep with in their moment venerability, I say go for it!
If he took you for money this might be a good time to get it back by getting to his estate if at all possible.

Beyond that, you don't need to go unless you think you can gain some advantage from the situation by showing up.
Screw 'em.

205 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:46:16pm

202 Swampwoman

LOL ~

206 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:47:47pm

203 pat

You'll just have to see it yourself. I liked it.

/For a porn guy Dirk is pretty astute.

207 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:48:26pm

# 199 SW

Yeah, but it's even cooler when it's true ...

/like, for example, with my ex -- aka heavy equipment ...
:-)
:-)

208 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:49:21pm

Well, the trip might be worth it to go up to the casket, pop open a cold one, and look down at the corpse and say "Who's laughing NOW, bitch?"

209 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:50:07pm

208 Swampwoman

LOL ~

You are so bad..

210 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:50:11pm

#200,

I doubt very much if Howie would even show his face down heayah. He'd be about as popular as a hound full of ticks.

O/T, I just heard Jim McDemott (spit) look straight into the C-Span cameras and tell his audience that we HAVE to sit down and negotiate with the [bigoted word]s, like Al Q'aeda. Compared 'em to the IRA...(LOL).

211 freedomplow  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:50:21pm

#170 ChenZhen

You have to grow up before you are invited to the adult table.

Are you fanning the flames of slavery or freedom?

212 Kaintuck  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:52:12pm

Sheesh,

CNN is running an infomercial for Hezbollah.

213 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:52:18pm

210 Tradewind

Dean was in Florida this week.. said the new PM of Iraq was a anti-semite and that Kathryn Harris was Joseph Stalin.

That kooky Dean!

214 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:52:20pm

At one point I was joking with my (current) wife that I should go just to make sure the bastard is dead. Would it be impolite to poke the deceased with a sharp stick during the service?

215 Amalie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:52:55pm

Night Everyone...

/Don't think it.

:D

216 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:53:36pm

#207 buckaroo

ROFL. Well, in that case, you can tell her that you heard she'd volunteered to undergo liposuction and congratulate her on single-handedly being able to reinflate an entire Somalian village.

217 pat  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:54:41pm

Lizard

Wierod. Noun. A heavy length of metal or dense wood used to beat sense in cultists or Moonbats(see Moonbats). Never used on spouses or familial members. No known derivation. It is suggested by the context that a weirod may bring reason to the delusional. Usage: I beat Cindy with a weirod and she started to cry for Casey.

Choose your weapon.Poke the bastard with a weirod.

218 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:55:48pm

#214 LBTB

At one point I was joking with my (current) wife that I should go just to make sure the bastard is dead. Would it be impolite to poke the deceased with a sharp stick during the service?

I thought you wanted to be sure he was dead, not piss him off. This calls for a wooden stake through the heart.

/Bring a sledgehammer. And a lot of wooden stakes in case they shatter, you can never be too careful.

219 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:56:34pm

#213,

I guess he'd be safe enough in FL if he stuck close to Palm Beach County or Broward/Dade, etc.
Bet they steer him away from Okaloosa/Walton, AKA God's Country.

(grin)

220 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:57:01pm

Or you could shoot him a couple times.

You know, just to make sure. I'm pretty sure that shooting dead people isn't one of those major felonies.

221 SwampWoman  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 9:58:56pm

#219 tradewind

Yeah, nothin' down there but a bunch of damnyankees anyway.

222 Jimmy The Clam  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:00:12pm

#214 - Lizard By The Bay
Offer to give one of the eulogies and then reiterate all the crappy things he did to his "friends" through the bastard's miserable life, and in the last few sentences, turn it into a lesson on forgiveness.
Done right, you get to drag his memory through the mud in front of his family and remaining friends, and make yourself look altruistic, all at the same time.

223 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:00:37pm

#214, LT,

If you're into drama , hire a bunch of little people to show up and sing ' Ding Dong'

224 Ilan Toren  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:00:52pm

May HaShem Revenge His Blood: Dr. Dani Yacobi

The news is now official that the murdered doctor was our friend Dani Yacobi. His brother is the principal of the girls school in Petach Tikva my daughters attended and he was well known and liked for his frequent role as acting as a medicial aid for school trips. He was a wonderful man and a father of four.

There isn't a community in Israel that has not suffered a loss like this, but each time the wound is made fresh. We see too often the funerals of good people much before we would expect it to happen in a normal place. May G-d give us all strength to go from this tragedy.

225 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:04:00pm

#224, Ilan,

I am so sorry for your loss, and may the IDF crush Hez'bollah quickly and the bloodshed end.

226 raidergirl  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:06:29pm

#222, Jimmy The Clam, damn, I say stay away unless youre sorry ass cannot find one decent or kind thing he did for ya! Goodness, attack family members at a funeral? Sick! ok Just my opinion!

227 zombie  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:08:24pm

The thing that scares me most about sharia is the sheer ignorance on which it is often based. Take, for example, this article, in which Malaysia's Islamic courts ban Botox:

Botox ban for Malaysian Muslims

Muslims in Malaysia are going to have to learn to live with their wrinkles, after the country's top Islamic body ruled against Botox injections.

The council decided that the serum contained prohibited substances, including those derived from pigs.

At the last meeting of the National Fatwa Council, Malaysia's top Muslim clerics decided to ban black metal music - a kind of heavy metal.

They also ruled that it was alright for Muslims to eat cheese.

But they could not make up their minds about Botox.

Now they have come down against it, amidst fears that it contains pig products.

Where's the absurdity? Botox doesn't come from pigs! The toxin is produced by a bacteria. Any five-year-old could find this out in 1 minute on the internet. But the wise, intelligent Islamic clerics have no use for such facts! No! They fear it might come from pigs. And so it is banned. Even though it doesn't come from pigs.

What to make of this? It exposes the lunacy and evil of sharia. It represents everything that modern society has evolved to overcome and reject. Pompous, ignorant individuals -- in this case, Muslims imams -- have the right to determine law that applies to everyone. And there is no appeal. No democratic process. No legal review. Nothing. Just idiots spouting sheer ignorance, and it becomes law.

It's not just metaphorically medieval -- it is medieval. Feudal. When lords could dictate laws, and all had to obey.

Forget about Allah, submission, slaying infidels, and all the rest: this reason alone is enough to fear and loathe Islam as a concept.

228 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:08:31pm

#226,

In all seriousness, you're right... nasty at funerals is a little too Code Pink-ish for me.

229 Jimmy The Clam  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:09:18pm

#226 - raidergirl
Who said anything about attacking anyone?

230 tradewind  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:12:01pm

Zombie,

Maybe they filter the stuff through pig placentas or something. A friend of mine who is an orthopedic surgeon is injecting knees with pig cartilage cells, and has had good success so far...

Watch out, [bigoted word]s, you never know where Porcine may be lurking...

/sarc-with-great-enjoyment-at-the-thought/

231 raidergirl  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:16:16pm

If you say hateful things at a funeral, that is an attack! Think about his mom, dad, or siblings! Why hurt them in their darkest hour?

232 Max DarkSide  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:22:44pm

#227 zombie

Malaysia's Islamic courts ban Botox...

Yes, well, one of my worst drunks was in a cowboy bar in Kuala Lumpur. Nothing like listening to Asian Willie Nelson karaoke as you toss down that last shot of Jack Daniels that "does it for ya".

KL is a good drinking town, even though it might be run by muslims.

Can't get botox? Pass the bottle instead!

233 Lizard By The Bay  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:23:53pm

#231 raidergirl

Fear not. I would never make a spectacle of myself at a funeral. And his sister is someone who is very kind and who I admire quite a bit. It's not her fault this asshole was her brother. Whether I go or not, I do have to be sure to send her a condolence card.

234 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:25:04pm

# 232 M D

zombie's point is, left to the imams, KL becomes as dry as a 1-horse Jawja town on Sunday morn ...
:-0

235 Jimmy The Clam  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:25:04pm

What's he supposed to do, pretend everything is A-OK and the deceased was a swell guy?
I'm assuming whatever this dirtbag did was serious and pretty slimy.
I just see no need to play forgiveness games or to lie about the dead to protect the feelings of the very people that likely made him that way in the first place.

236 Jimmy The Clam  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:26:42pm

#233 - Lizard By The Bay
What exacly did this guy do to you anyways?

237 raidergirl  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:28:03pm

#233 Lizard By The Bay, good for you, we should be really careful not to become the kos screw um folks! Ya know, she loved him, and her heart is broken! Sorry he was a dirtbag, but isnt that for our Lord to decide?!

238 Max DarkSide  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:32:29pm

oops..

toss down that last shot of Jack Daniels Johnny Walker Black that "does it for ya".

I hardly remember what I was drinking. At that point, ya won't care about botox because you don't care if anything is wrinkled.

Actually, that night in Kuala Lumpur, we "climbed the ladder", started with a couple/few beers before dinner, then the host-guy brought 7 bottles of wine for 14 of us (1/2 bottle each), then we went to the cowboy bar and he kept buying bottles of Johnny Walker Black. When the 3rd bottle hit the table in front of me with the screeching Asian karaoke "On The Load Again", well, you reach a breaking point.

239 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:35:55pm

evening all *is reading Harry Turtledoves The Grapple*

240 Arizona9  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:36:06pm

Cats are almost as funny as dogs..

Almost? Exhibit A: Guermillo(aka. Gizmo)the Cat

-As a kitten, has no reaction to external stimuli. We think he may be deaf. Turns out, he just doesn't give a shit.
-Obsessed from kittendom with food. While littermates are still nursing, found in adult cat bowl. Actually, IN bowl. All 4 paws, scarfing away on adult cat food.
-Also obsessed wih a number of inanimate objects: leaves, straws, nailfiles. Begins hording said items.
-We learn to be very carefull about opening the refrigerator door as Giz develops habit of jumping into fridge at every opportunity. Becomes so good(read stealthy)at it, that on a number of occasions, he is shut inside, only a bit of tail sticking out to alert us.
-Prefers to rest in human sitting postion-up against a hard surface, like a wall, front paws between his legs.
-Spends hours and hours watching crickets and lizards on wall. Never attempts to actually catch them. Just watches. Apparently waiting for them to turn into straws and nail files.
-Unsatisfied with human family to provide him enough food to satisfy his insatiable appitite, starts stealing food and stockpiling it in back closet. Rotting meat alerts humans to stockpile. Angry with stupid humans for dumping precious stockpile in trash. Plots revenge.
-Actual revenge proving too taxing, settles on 'management'.
-Worms way into heart of elderly neighber(aka playing the 'cute' card)and successfully secures secondary household residency to secure secondary source of food.
-Giz, hilarious, beloved, missed.

241 Max DarkSide  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:40:03pm

#234 Buckaroo

zombie's point is, left to the imams, KL becomes as dry as a 1-horse Jawja town on Sunday morn ...

They will have a real problem drying up KL. That will be VERY hard. What are there more of in KL?

a) Mosques
b) Bars
c) Lap Dancers

Think hard... Clue: it ain't a)

One guy took me to a "gentleman's club" in KL where he had a membership and a "private bottle". The ladies were fine (no, I didn't do THAT). The whole thing was rather fancy and pricey. Lot's of red velvet all over. Classic.

Ya, a "Muslim country" (pshaw)

242 Buckaroo  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:42:16pm

# 241 M D

Oh, I realize the smart money is on the gin joints, but noone ever thought people were crazy enough to blow up 1000 year old statues either ...
:-0

243 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:42:54pm

# 241 MaxDarkSide

In this worldwide oil biz consulting company, KL is considered the best office by westerners.

244 raidergirl  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:43:14pm

#235 Jimmy The Clam, dude, stay away and let this family Have some Peace! How about we let people know, sometimes, people fuck up, and their families had nothing to do with it! See ted the bastard "spit" bundy for reference! I think his family turned him in! I could be wrong!

245 yehoshua  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:43:52pm

Here is a piece of succinct sobriety, a study in unvarnished truth:
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

246 yehoshua  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:45:26pm

Here is a piece of succinct sobriety, a study in unvarnished truth:
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

247 Rednek  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:45:29pm

I appologize if this is old news. It seems it was posted nearly 24 hours ago.

Watch This Video!

UN and terrorists working hand in hand.

Pardon my lingua franca, but Fuck the UN!

248 Rednek  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:49:17pm

another link to the video is at the Jawa Report

249 Max DarkSide  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:50:08pm

#243 Mike C.

In this worldwide oil biz consulting company, KL is considered the best office by westerners.

Ya, I go there on oil business, too. With 3.8 RM to the dollar, and 1 RM buys about $1 worth, it would be a pretty good place to retire. Effective multiplier for your dollar is about 3:1. Honestly. I'm not kidding. Over in Sarawak (Borneo), the prices are better, the health care is good, it's always Summer, never earthquakes or sunami's and the average middle income American can afford a house with a view of the South China Sea and "house staff". If you really get in tough straights medically, Singapore is a short hop away, a Class AAA city for sure.

250 OldTime_Rock&Roll  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 10:50:15pm

#227 zombie

The thing that scares me most about sharia is the sheer ignorance on which it is often based. Take, for example, this article, in which Malaysia's Islamic courts ban Botox:

Botox ban for Malaysian Muslims

Muslims in Malaysia are going to have to learn to live with their wrinkles, after the country's top Islamic body ruled against Botox injections.

The council decided that the serum contained prohibited substances, including those derived from pigs.
*snip*
Where's the absurdity? Botox doesn't come from pigs! The toxin is produced by a bacteria. Any five-year-old could find this out in 1 minute on the internet. But the wise, intelligent Islamic clerics have no use for such facts! No! They fear it might come from pigs. And so it is banned. Even though it doesn't come from pigs.

What to make of this? It exposes the lunacy and evil of sharia. It represents everything that modern society has evolved to overcome and reject. Pompous, ignorant individuals -- in this case, Muslims imams -- have the right to determine law that applies to everyone. And there is no appeal. No democratic process. No legal review. Nothing. Just idiots spouting sheer ignorance, and it becomes law.

It's not just metaphorically medieval -- it is medieval. Feudal. When lords could dictate laws, and all had to obey.

Forget about Allah, submission, slaying infidels, and all the rest: this reason alone is enough to fear and loathe Islam as a concept.


---
When your whole world-view is based on the rantings of a child molester, thief, war-monger, and all-around putz, this sort of stuff is inevitable. The West hopes for some sort of Muslim Martin Luther to ignite Islam's long-overdue Reformation, and he may yet appear...but I ain't holding my breath.

251 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:05:47pm

Max DarkSide

To counter that, one of the local hire staff here has broken out into the corporate International Mobil league, and leaves Beijing tonight for his very first international assignment. Khartoum. Yuk.

252 Max DarkSide  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:13:36pm

#251 Mike C.

To counter that... Khartoum. Yuk.


I think the worst assignment would be Nigeria. I know one guy at an unnamed global multi-national oil company who was assigned there aborted his assignment pronto.

I always thought that Jakarta would be nasty, but a friend of mine says it's a "party town". Somehow I find it hard to believe him, but he's a good guy and should know.

253 Jimmy The Clam  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:13:51pm

#244 - raidergirl

#235 Jimmy The Clam, dude, stay away and let this family Have some Peace!


When did I say I was going to the funeral? Geesh girl...

That last post of yours comes off as a little hysterical with every one of your sentences ending with an exclamation point and all.

254 raidergirl  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:15:32pm

I have to say, lebanon had six years er sixty years, whateverZ! to correct this problem! Hexbabullshit! What the hell? Hey Goodnight all LGF folks! O.K, I stand on the right side of this battle!

255 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:19:47pm

# 252 Max

People I know who've been to Jakarta say it's not bad. Never been there myself, but I'll bet ya a buck right now it beats the hell out of Karachi.

256 raidergirl  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:22:46pm

Jimmy, really, good on ya for the exclamation point! Call all the lgf folks and let them know, raidergirl was drunk, and ya won! PS, God Bless! And My Sweet Brother is fighting this war! PS, know I pray for you!

257 zulubaby  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:25:10pm

Qassam hits kindergarten; 2 children lightly wounded

Rocket lands next to kindergarten in town south of Ashkelon; 2 children hurt, 8 suffer shock. Earlier a number of rockets hit central Sderot; no wounded. Residents demand army operations on southern front be boosted to level of northern offensive

Hizballah needs to be annihilated, today.

258 zulubaby  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:29:00pm

yehoshua (#245)

Send that to Bush.

259 raidergirl  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:33:08pm

GOODNIGHT ALL!

260 zulubaby  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:35:12pm
IDF official: At least 200 Hezbollah operatives have been killed (Reuters)

Keep going ...

261 raidergirl  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:35:47pm

Hey All,get good and drunk! For tommorow you may be in Utah!

262 Jimmy The Clam  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:38:22pm

#256 - raidergirl

I really wasn't looking for a win in this case.
In any event, thanks for praying for me and I also pray your brother comes home safe and soon.
Pleasant dreams.

263 raidergirl  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:42:39pm

Right back at ya! Jimmy!

264 raidergirl  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:45:24pm

Seriously, Goodnight all Ya'll!, might be a redneck!

265 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 27, 2006 11:49:00pm
It's another tequila sunrise
Starin' slowly 'cross the sky, said goodbye
He was just a hired hand
Workin' on the dreams he planned to try
The days go by

Ev'ry night when the sun goes down
Just another lonely boy in town
And she's out runnin' 'round
She wasn't just another woman
And I couldn't keep from comin' on
It's been so long
Oh, and it's a hollow feelin' when
It comes down to dealin' friends
It never ends

Take another shot of courage
Wonder why the right words never come
You just get numb
It's another tequila sunrise,
this old world still looks the same,
Another frame, mm...

266 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:02:35am

[ahem!]

267 Jiving  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:05:49am

Actually mildly related to Botox & Muslim 'morality', there is a fascinating article about the Iranians executing a 16 year old child for "crimes against chastity". Also in that article it mentions that "..the age of sexual consent for girls under Sharia law is nine,"
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

I wonder if this Sharia law comes from the fact that history's most infamous pedophile "married" Aisha at 6, but consummated his "marriage" when the infant was 9!

268 Mike C.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:05:50am

Sorry - work

Good morning, dead thread.

269 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:08:38am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

270 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:13:08am

RE #257, it was Islamic Jihad.

Islamic Jihad says it was behind rocket attack on Zikim

Also past due for annihilation.

271 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:15:33am
Also past due for annihilation.

Quoting westbankmama: "Take a number and wait your turn."

272 Maui Girl  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:20:12am

Did ya'll know that Cindy Sheehan is going to be George Bush's neighbor in Crawford, Texas? Some anti-war supporter bought it in her name because he figured if the local folks found out about it, they'd be none too happy about it.

These people are entirely insane. What she gonna do when his presidency is over in 2008?

273 Manker  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:31:30am

#257 zulubaby

I know it's tough, and you feel the complete and utter frustration and rage in your heart, much like everyone here.

But the fact is that is S. Lebanon is basically one huge trap. We must give them time to finish this fight properly.

274 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:37:12am

UN aid chief says Israel has 'created a generation of hatred'

United Nations humanitarian chief Jan Egeland accused Israel on Wednesday of committing "catastrophic mistakes" in its attack on Hizbullah, which have caused civilian casualties and alienated the Lebanese public.

"It will create a generation of hatred," he said in an interview held with The Jerusalem Post after he had concluded tours of northern Israel, Gaza and Lebanon.

"I'm talking more as a friend of Israel than as an aid worker," said Egeland, who noted that he studied at Jerusalem's Hebrew University as a Truman Fellow, while his brother lived on a kibbutz.

So that makes him what, a Jew-lover? Do you know how many times I've heard anti-Semites say that they've studied in Israel or lived on a kibbutz, as if that alone demonstrates that they are, in fact, not anti-Semitic.

With "friends" like Egeland ...

He said he was deeply struck by what he had observed first-hand during his tour of the region, particularly the "Christians, Druse, Maronites, Sunnis, who all hated Israel" when before they had hated Hizbullah, and the rubble of Beirut, which he said looked "a little bit like the end of the Second World War. It was block after block after block down in some kind of a carpet bombing."

275 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:43:00am
"Christians, Druse, Maronites, Sunnis, who all hated Israel" when before they had hated Hizbullah

Gee, that's a shame. We all know how much they loved Israel before.

276 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:44:55am

To be fair ...

While the results of the attacks might be different, Egeland said that Israelis and Lebanese suffered "the same sense of terror." He described his distress by the scene that had greeted him in Haifa.

"I remember Haifa as a city of moderation and reconciliation and peace, and now to see people running to shelters and see many of its citizens being wounded is just terrible," he said. "It's heartrending to hear the stories."

--

Livni later told reporters that she had wanted to meet in him Haifa so that he could see first-hand what life was life for residents in the North suffering under the daily barrage of Hizbullah rockets.

I appreciate Livni's efforts, but honestly, I don't think it matters. Egeland comments illustrate his lack of understanding of what this is truly about. He does not see that Hizbollah has brought this war on and instead blames Israel for the Lebanese suffering. He also does not understand that no matter what Israel does in the name of "peace", the Arab world will never be satisfied until Israel is totally destroyed.

I also don't believe that any member of the UN has real compassion or concern for the Jews.

277 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:46:17am

Manker, I know that. It's just difficult.

278 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:47:52am

Has anyone seen this. If true it will only be a matter of time before the thought police start to shut down sites.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/27/ntia_icann _meeting/
here is an excerpt:

However, assistant commerce secretary John Kneuer, the US official in charge of such matters, also made clear that the US was still determined to keep control of the net's root zone file - at least in the medium-term.


Ultimately, what came out of a gathering of the (English-speaking) great and the good regarding the internet was two things:


That the US government recognises it has to transition its role if it wants to keep the internet in one piece (and it then has to sell that decision to a mindlessly patriotic electorate)
That ICANN has to open up and allow more people to decide its course if it is going to be allowed to become the internet's main overseeing organisation
279 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:50:08am

Pimf:

Has anyone seen this.= Has anyone seen this?

280 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:52:47am

littleoldlady (#275)

Isn't that the most ridiculous comment?

I bet those Christians, Druse, Maronites, and Sunnis that he talks about have a clearer understanding of exactly who is to blame, of who brought this upon them. At least, I hope they do. Egeland keeps missing it.

281 American Jewess in Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:54:03am
282 Mike C.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:54:08am

Okay, where Miguel, GJ, etc. ? I've got to attend a mandated happy hour session, so we need more boots on the ground here on the dead thread.

283 Salem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:56:25am

If we assume that the islamic nations are determined to remove Isreal above all else, if that's one thing they can agree on, the implications of their success should be considered. Likely, there would be nukes lighting up the Middle East before that would happen. It's remarkable that more M.E. leaders aren't discouraged by this prospect, but if you try to follow their delusion, well, assume that it somehow was possible. It seems like the eradication of the state of Isreal would take some of the wind out of their sails. The hatred of Israel seems to be the strongest thing that bonds muslims together. Losing that, the conflicts within the vast body of islam would become more pronounced. Of course, such a victory against their old foe would encourage their ambitions for world conquest, in fact that is precisely the problem. Their confidence would become so magnified, that each entity will start carving out their share of the great caliphate to come, before they had conquered it. Rivalries would become more pressing. The Ideal of being the "political", the real, capital of Islam, would enamor every sect, and every state.

But even though though such an irrational scenario will never come to pass, it's inevitable that the clash of civilizations will largely be one of islam vs. islam, in the end. They ignore their mountainous divisions, but more and more they are set in each others paths. When they are beaten back by israel, the world will watch them slaughter each other for awhile (and all that portends for us in Iraq), and then, if we survive this, will be left to clean up. The legacy of islam will be a trash-heap.

284 Mike C.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 12:56:27am

RE # 282

Uh, "where's", not "where." And I have not yet begun to drink.

285 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:02:46am

#278 - Lousy-ana-Texan

The author of that article, Kieren McCarthy, is an American hating UK Moon-Bat that also writes for the Guardian.
Who knows how much of what she writes is actually true or just wishful thinking on her behalf.

286 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:05:28am

Yet another fawning terrorist-loving "editorial".

Hezbollah chief's town proud of native son

Without Hezbollah and its rockets, Rida said, Israel would destroy Lebanon.

"If we didn't have rockets to strike Haifa (the northern Israeli port) what would Israel do? If we were weak they would destroy us," he said.

How stupid. Why can they not understand that if they left us alone we would be nowhere near there.

287 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:06:20am

I understand she's a raving LLL, but the comment by the assistant commerce secretary is rather disturbing.

However, assistant commerce secretary John Kneuer, the US official in charge of such matters, also made clear that the US was still determined to keep control of the net's root zone file - at least in the medium-term.
288 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:07:41am

zulubaby,

I've gone beyond worrying about my comprehension skills or even my sanity. As far as I'm concerned, the politicians and diplomats are just stringing random words together in sentences. I'm either hearing "yadda, yadda, yadda" or "And a large orange drink!".

I say lets bound and gag them all - throw in the journalists for good measure - and turn the whole shebang over to the generals.

"We just have begun to drink!" Didn't some general say that?

289 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:09:40am

...or "We have just begun to drink."

/needs to drink more coffee...

290 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:13:30am

Howdy littleoldlady and Jimmy The Clam.

Not very many people awake at this wee hour.

291 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:16:59am

'Morning, Lousy-ana-Texan.
Have some fruitcup! (It's up in post #269)

:-)

292 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:17:25am

#287 - Lousy-ana-Texan

However, assistant commerce secretary John Kneuer, the US official in charge of such matters, also made clear that the US was still determined to keep control of the net's root zone file - at least in the medium-term.

That is a polite way of saying we will think about it but in the meantime, we will not be giving up control.
BTW, Iran is one of the loudest agitators to hand this over to the UN. I wonder why?

The 'root zone' of a Web dispute

293 christheprofessor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:17:26am

Some of us are awake - however unwillingly...

294 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:19:03am

#290 - Lousy-ana-Texan

I tried to sleep, but I can't. Too hot and humid here in San Diego.

295 Ann  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:22:08am

#293 christheprofessor

Some of us are awake - however unwillingly...

You got that right.

{grabs ear, drags self to shower}

296 christheprofessor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:23:14am

#295 Ann

Hi, Ann. Same here -- we have an all-day interview scheduled, and I'm "hosting" the candidate. Looks like my summer is officially over... :(

297 mkm19602000  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:24:26am

CPT I hear you. Woke up a little after 3:30CDT slept about an hour and and a half. Getting sleepy again so I will probably go try to sleep again. LOL

298 Merovign  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:25:35am

#278 Lousy-ana-Texan

As usual, the "internationalists" have it exactly backwards. Should the UN or some other international body (UN Human Rights Commission, anyone?) gain influence over ICANN, then ICANN would lose control over what we know as "the internet," and it would split - one controlled, censored, bolted-down mess for the rest of the world, and what we know in the US as "the internet" for us.

Because, no matter what European bureaucrats may thing, Americans aren't going to let China and Cuba gain control over the content the read and write.

We'd build our own backbone first. Remember FidoNet, anyone? Sure, it's pretty small now, having been "shrunk" by the explosion of Web access, but should ICANN go "internationale," either it or something else will rise up to take over the traffic that doesn't want to be censored by Singapore - or taxed by the EU.

We built it, we made it free (as in speech), and we're not going to let the UN Dictator's Club shut us down because they can't stand the thought that someone, somewhere, is free to disagree.

299 Ann  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:25:54am

#296 christheprofessor

we have an all-day interview scheduled, and I'm "hosting" the candidate.

Okay, I don't feel so bad about my day, now!

I'll just get in my office and shut the door this morning :-)

300 Luigi  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:26:30am

Fox reports Gaza rocket hits Israeli kindergarten injuring two kids.

301 christheprofessor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:26:33am

#297 mkm 19602000

Under normal circumstances, I'd still be in bed myself...

"Work is the curse of the drinking class."
Oscar Wilde

302 christheprofessor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:28:58am

#299 Ann

I actually have to wear a -- gasp (pun intended) tie!

303 christheprofessor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:30:06am

#300 Luigi

That's terrible. I'm not surprised Fox is reporting it (their dhimmitude is not yet complete); I wonder if the other news organizations will even mention it...

304 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:30:10am

#287 - Lousy-ana-Texan
A better article

What would constitute an ideal alternative to US control differs depending on who one asks. The European Union is on record as desiring a public-private partnership; nations such as Iran, China, and Cuba would like to see "anyone but the US"; and another bloc of countries prefer UN oversight, perhaps via the century-old International Telegraph Union.

305 Ann  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:32:40am

#302 christheprofessor

I actually have to wear a -- gasp (pun intended) tie!

That's not good. I bet you clean up well, though :-)

306 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:33:21am

#291 littleoldlady

Thanks for the fruitcup. You are just wonderful for taking care of the homeless.

#292 Jimmy The Clam

The thugocracies are the biggest agitators against U.S. control.

#294 Jimmy The Clam

Sorry about the heat.

#298 Merovign

I hope that ends up being the case.

307 christheprofessor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:34:55am

#305 Ann

That's not good. I bet you clean up well, though :-)

Thanks. I've been told that I do...

This really is cleaning up, also. My schedule's been pretty open for the past few weeks, so I haven't shaved in a bit...

308 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:37:42am
301 christheprofessor
Under normal circumstances, I'd still be in bed myself...

"Work is the curse of the drinking class."
Oscar Wilde

WORK,

Manard G Krebbs.

Dobbie: Yes Manard,
some people have to work.

WORK,

309 Merovign  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:38:03am

#306 Lousy-ana-Texan

I hope that ends up being the case.

Actually, I'd hate to see the net fractured like that, but it's preferable to Iranian, Chinese, and Cuban vetoes on your website (bye bye LGF)!

Had I unlimited funds, it would be nice to get planning on a "competitor" with different design to run alongside the backbone as we know it - to prepare for technical or political blackouts.

310 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:38:42am

#304 Jimmy The Clam

Thanks for the article. I hope it doesn't change, but there are too many ifs, ands, and buts;

Kneuer did reiterate the US government's commitment to ultimately relinquishing control over ICANN, saying that "that we're all gathered here today and we've undertaken this process is a clear indication that we are committed to this transition." That's a big change from last summer, when the Commerce Department declared that it would "retain its historic role in authorizing changes or modifications to the authoritative root zone file" while reiterating its stance against interfering in how other countries handle their own top-level domains.

So for now, it looks as though the status quo wins out.

At least for the next year.

311 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:38:43am

Homeless? I thought I was just taking care of the Sleepless.

Where do you plug in your computer? (Or is it wireless?)

312 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:41:22am

#311 littleoldlady

Outstanding. As my nick implies, I'm a true Texan in Louisiana. I currently feel homeless.

313 christheprofessor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:41:26am

#308 ibm

This is the part of the job I don't like. The teaching is fun (not like work at all, though grading is the castor oil of teaching), the other parts are like regular work...

314 hayseed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:43:20am

morning ya'll... work is highly overated!


at least thats what i've been told.

315 christheprofessor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:44:56am

#314 hayseed

Sometimes I think the best job in the world would be "kept man."

316 hayseed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:45:15am

pimf over rated

317 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:45:17am
#313 christheprofessor

#308 ibm

This is the part of the job I don't like. The teaching is fun (not like work at all, though grading is the castor oil of teaching), the other parts are like regular work...

When I was in college,
Grading was like the F in frig.

318 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:45:26am

Lousy-ana-Texan,

LGF - our home away from home. (Have some more fruitcup! Maybe I'll make some chicken soup later...)

Wherever you go, there you are.

/somebody help me! I think I've swallowed a clichebot!

319 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:46:16am

#309 Merovign

That would be a better alternative than control by the socialists. I just have too many apprehensions about a "world body" controlling what I can and can't say.

320 W-lover  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:47:54am

Knock Knock!

Who's there?

{Little Old Lady!}

Little Old Lady Who?

I didn't know you could yodel!

(Hat tip: Pee-wee)

321 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:49:23am

#318 littleoldlady

Yes but they are such wise cliches.

How about; home is where the heart is?

322 hayseed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:51:29am

ctp ...hey but my wife still works, like i told her some one has to. lol. in fact she just walked in the door. she has worked third shift fo 20 years and she likes third shift.

323 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:51:30am
#319 Lousy-ana-Texan

#309 Merovign

That would be a better alternative than control by the socialists. I just have too many apprehensions about a "world body" controlling what I can and can't say.

The UN world body will be good to you,
If you just let them rape you once in a while.

/sorry.

324 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:52:15am

{W-lover!}

Boy are YOU up early! How've you been?

325 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:53:39am

#323 ibmkeyboard

They have had enough practice with Isreal, so they should be quite the experts at it.

326 christheprofessor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:54:09am

hayseed

Tell her I said hello. And to put your sorry ass to work! ;)

#323 ibm

They'll try to control content (what we say) and tax us for the privelege of it, that bastards...

327 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:54:35am
320 W-lover 7/28/2006 03:47AM PDT

Where have you been,
girl?

328 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 1:59:30am

Speaking of good old Pee Wee...

The dog has to go out (pee)
And then I have to get to work (WHEEE!)

Good day, ALL!™

May G-d protect the IDF and all the people of Israel!

329 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:01:54am

#328 littleoldlady

Good day and take care.

330 hayseed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:03:50am

326 ctp...today is lucky day, i'm going in to the surgical clinic for radio frequency ablation on some nerves in my neck. RFA means they stick a wire in your neck and heat the nerve up so it can't send pain signals. i think work sounds better all the time. lol

331 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:04:14am
And then I have to get to work (WHEEE!)

Good day, ALL!™

May G-d protect the IDF and all the people of Israel!

Me also,
See you on the working end of the internet.


/I bet employers lose 10 million dollars a day,
just on LGF alone.

Charles,
you are killing the economy.

332 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:05:36am
Back at the hotel, French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy cowers in a doorway and British Foreign Office minister Kim Howells is rushed off by the security as the sirens go off again. As wailing continues, I can barely hear an editor from the German Bild, who phones me to demand why the IDF is acting aggressively.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Had to post it

333 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:07:47am

Good morning all! What did I miss?

334 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:12:04am

Ayatollah Ghilmeini (#332)

Great article.

Out of food, out of beer

Back in Haifa, the hotel is out of beer. The manager asks me if foreign journalists always drink so much. I go for a bite to eat with a guy from the foreign ministry but I’m called off to work. Returning 45 minutes later, the diplomat is still sitting there politely and without food. I go into the kitchens and there is no one around. The cooks have done a runner after the last bombing. The manager finds them and persuades them to rustle us up some dinner.

I'm not sure which part of that paragraph is the funniest.

335 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:13:18am
Friday afternoon and sirens go off, followed almost immediately by four explosions.

See, this is the part that worries me. The siren goes, you have sixty seconds to get to the shelter.

336 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:14:38am
Being interviewed on a European radio station, the interviewer snarls at me when I mention that Haifa has a mixed Jewish/Arab population and that as we speak, many of them were sitting in bomb shelters together, hiding from Nasrallah’s rockets.

I was surprised this information could be so irritating. I didn’t dare tell him about the guy who came up to me in downtown Haifa, showed my his bombed shop front and told me he was an Arab who wants the IDF to destroy the Hizbullah.

337 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:20:13am

Good morning all. The leftist media & politician up here in Canada are all blathering on that "Harper has abandoned Canada's traditional role as an honest mediator and our neutrality."

Surprisingly the lead editorial in the Globe & Mail knocks that meme down (sorry no link),

"To take a neutral stand between terrorist militias fuelled by radical Islam and a democratic country defending itself from attack would have been a perversion of our traditions."

The Harper gov't is getting a lot of flack for their principled stand, but they are also getting a lot of praise.

338 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:23:03am

#337 Kenneth

The difference between leadership and quibbling politicos.

339 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:25:13am

I've been looking for stories depicting what the Israelis are going through and it's been quite the challenge. All the "human" pieces are about the Arabs, about Lebanon, about the Precious Palestinians, but nothing about the Israelis. I just found one in the LA Times, of all places.

Tears, Resolve, Questions at Israeli Military Funeral

340 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:27:10am

Just over at Foxnews attempting to find the story referenced earlier in the thread about the rocket doing a direct hit on an Israeli kindergarten. No such luck of course. I did, however find this -


Israel Rejects UN Involvement...

Gillerman said Israel would welcome any information from the U.N. as it conducts its investigation, and will consider any U.N. requests for information.

If any of you have saved copies of those UN reports you might want to send them along.

341 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:27:50am

337 Kenneth

If Bush took as tough a stance as Harper the left down here would go 'shriiieeek! *BOOM*'. But I'm told by wiser heads that he can't tell the truth and has to be subtle and nuanced, you know like Kerry.

.

342 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:30:22am

#338 Lousy-ana-Texan

Yup, Harper is a leader, not a poll-follower.

I just read at [Link: www.debka.com...] that Hezbollah has been given approval from Iran to fire more of their long range missiles into Israel and that the US is airlifting more bunker busting bombs to Israel. It looks like it's going to be a dangerous weekend.

G-d protect Israel.

343 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:30:54am

339 zulu..

Go here...
[Link: www.azure.org.il...]

look at the column on the right side, round up of stories from outside Israel.

.

344 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:33:43am

#339 zulubaby

Seems odd for the L.A. slimes, though they didn't cover any of the civilian funerals. IMHO the implication from the article seems to be that military personnel are dying in Isreal at a high rate, while those in Lebanon are mostly civilians.

/ maybe it's just that my tinfoil hat is on too tight.

345 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:34:58am

Good Morning Youse'all - from an overcast day (temp 76, supposedly going up to 90 degrees) in New York City! How is everyone this morning?

346 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:36:29am

#345 realwest

Good morning and fine and dandy here.

347 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:37:16am

#40 St. Pancake - Hizbullah's real goal is racist: To free the Middle East holy lands of Jews


Great article. If you haven't seen this, you should -

[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

348 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:38:52am

#341 BenZacharia

Bush is still supporting Israel and has not called for a ceasefire. He may be understated in the words he used, but maybe that's because he doesn't want to add more Bush haters to the fire. If Bush wanted the Israelis to stop, Tel Aviv would have heard the message.

I just read that US transport planes are delivering more bunker busters to Israel. That is sure a "green light" signal to keep on the fight.

349 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:40:11am

#345 realwest

Good morning Realwest. Thundershowers here in Toronto this morning, and about time too.

350 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:40:52am

#49 Is anyone else's cat pouting under the bed because he didn't get fried chicken for dinner? Mine is.

Not in our house. One of our darlings does not appreciate human food, though the house plants are quite to her liking. The other one would leave you pouting under the bed should she not get to share friend chicken for dinner :)

351 Gang of One  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:42:02am

Check this out: even Israel has a Filth Column, and no shortage of moonbats not only in academia, but in the judiciary.
[Link: www.jewishpress.com...]
How do democracies really expect to survive with this schkeit going on?

352 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:42:10am
353 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:42:48am

#348 Kenneth

"I just read that US transport planes are delivering more bunker busters to Israel. That is sure a "green light" signal to keep on the fight."

I think that is a spot on assessment.

354 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:43:45am

#345 realwest

What are you up to? Try to take it easy in the heat today, eh.

355 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:44:36am

352 American Infidel

Good morning.

356 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:46:39am

#346 Lousy-ana-Texan and
#349 Kenneth good morning to youse'a too, to!
I haven't heard the expression "fine and dandy" (usually pronounced "fin 'n dandy" in a long time and sure hope we get some promised rain in NYC today or it's just gonna be another hot and muggy day here!

357 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:47:51am

Lousy-ana-Texan, right, and there are no stories about how many Israelis are displaced, how many children are living underground, etc. People are really suffering, especially the kids.

358 Sean II  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:49:18am

More UN bullsh*t this morning. Go away already! WTF?

U.N.: U.S. Uses Death Penalty More on Minorities, Poor

GENEVA — The United States should adopt a moratorium on death sentences, a U.N. rights body said Friday, noting that capital punishment appears to be disproportionately imposed on minority groups and poor people.

359 Carridine  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:49:54am

#352- Good morning, Infidellette!

How fares America today, land of the free, home of the brave promoters of free samples and low-cost installments for the storm-toss't and homeless...?

360 Nordish12  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:50:12am

Guardian blog: "Hizbullah are heroes"

Can they stoop any lower?

361 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:51:29am

#356 realwest

Being a Texan, the phrase was usually, fair to midlin (spelling?). I picked up "fine and dandy" from my youthful reading.

I hope you stay as cool as possible if it doesn't rain.

362 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:51:31am
363 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:52:40am
364 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:53:09am

#357 zulubaby

Bingo. You are all in my prayers.

365 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:53:17am
"I just read that US transport planes are delivering more bunker busters to Israel. That is sure a "green light" signal to keep on the fight."

That's if they can get them past the wimps in the UK.

366 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:56:00am

#345 - Morning Realwest. North of you. Overcast is burning off, humidity is up around 90, temp is reaching that point fast. House too hot to sleep virtually all of the night. Good news is there is a pool. Bad news - computer isn't waterproof.

367 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:56:16am
368 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:57:21am

BenZacharia (#343)

Great link, I've bookmarked it, but that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm looking for are stories -- anything! -- about the Israelis, in the mainstream media. Nada.

369 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:57:47am

#341 BenZacharia - Morning Ben, hope the wife is doing better than yesterday. How are you doing today? Please check your e-mail.

370 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:58:29am

#362 American Infidel

I love how people are so full of advice when they are not the ones being bombarded. Yet the same solution over and over (rinse and repeat) again is for appeasement.

371 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:59:16am
GENEVA — The United States should adopt a moratorium on death sentences, a U.N. rights body said Friday, noting that capital punishment appears to be disproportionately imposed on minority groups and poor people.


a U.N. rights body said Friday, Is that like a body that only rapes you when it thinks you are right, or thinks it is right?

There is that UN word again, disproportionately,
we will rape you, when your ass is disproportionately bent over.

/screw the UN.

372 Westward Ho  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:59:55am

#357,zulubaby,

"and there are no stories about how many Israelis are displaced, how many children are living underground,"

I was shocked to find out 15% of the population of Israel have spend a lot of time daily in bomb shelters and that something like 250,000 people have fled the north. And people think Israel's response is disproportionate WTF? Think about it LLL's if terrorist milita from Mexico forced 15% of America's population into bomb shelters i.e.( 45 million people ) what would America's response be. I think they would have nuked Mexico.

373 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:00:13am

Realwest

May I sak how the Dr. visit went yesterday?

374 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:01:49am

#371 - IBM

No, that is the "New and Improved" version of the UN Commission for Human Rights, whose membership now includes nearly all of the worst human rights violators on earth.

We're rather practiced at ignoring them.

375 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:02:06am

Israel: One Nation Under Attack

Why? What makes this Lebanon war different from the last one?

To begin with, Israelis, too, are under fire this time. During the last few weeks, Hezbollah has shot more than 2,500 rockets and mortars at Israel, killing at least 17 civilians, wounding 500 and forcing more than half a million people to flee. The attacks from Lebanon coincided with aggression from Gaza, where Hamas terrorists fired about 1,000 Kassam rockets at Israeli towns and farms.

On both fronts, Israeli soldiers were the victims of unprovoked ambushes and kidnappings. And these attacks have come despite the fact that Israel is no longer occupying any part of either Lebanon or Gaza. The war, Israelis now know, is not about borders but about the existence of the Jewish state.

--

An Iranian takeover of Lebanon not only threatens Israel's security but also that of moderate Sunni states throughout the region, and it endangers Europeans and Americans.

In mounting its counteroffensive against Hamas and Hezbollah, Israel is drawing a line in the sand against the Iranian leaders who have sworn to wipe it off the map and who, for that purpose, are developing nuclear power.

Israel's purpose is not retribution but survival.

376 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:02:18am

#365 zulubaby - morning to you. Don't worry they'll get 'em past the UK bueracracts or if not we'll just refule in the air and say fuck you GB.
How are you today? Has GJ or Carl been around? I've been having trouble reaching Carl's site and westbankmama's site as well. Do you have any problems getting to sites outside of Israel?

377 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:02:37am
378 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:04:24am

Zulu:

Here you go:

Not all the Brits are against us.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

379 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:05:59am

Realwest

Just got back to computer, checking email. Wifffeee is feeling better, still 90% on her back, which in the old days would have been an encouragement *wink, wink*. Seeing Dr. this afternoon, which means I'll miss the local counter protest in Columbus with ciaospirit.

373

380 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:08:43am
381 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:08:45am

#377 American Infidel

Rush had a good point the other day, paraphrasing; "History teaches, that peace is won through one side totally defeating the other."

I agree that the gloves need to come off, and that the true peace loving nations get off of their collective arses and destroy the enemy.

382 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:09:10am

Lousy-ana-Texan, thank you.

--

Westward Ho, it's more than that, more like half a million people.

My sister-in-law's family is in Haifa. A lot of them are staying with friends or relatives, but her grandmother refuses to leave. Because we only have one minute to get to the shelters once the siren sounds, her kids have moved her bed and her TV into the shelter and that is where she is, only coming up when she needs to. A minute is not long enough for an old person to get to the bunker.

She is one of hundreds of thousands.

383 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:09:54am
#368 zulubaby 7/28/2006 04:57AM PDT

BenZacharia (#343)

Great link, I've bookmarked it, but that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm looking for are stories -- anything! -- about the Israelis, in the mainstream media. Nada.

I don't know about the print media, but I've seen a few such stories on Fox TV. Some interviewing residents where the rockets had caused damage.

Then there was a good story focusing on Israeli teens and younger kids from the north who'd moved to safer areas further south. Most of the kids seemed in good spirits, smiling and very talkative with the newsperson. It also showed American Jews arriving to help out in some of the centers accomodating people from the north, or to help out in general.

Also a story about Jews and Israeli-Arabs in the same bomb shelter.

But that's all Fox. I don't know what others are showing, except I have seen a few reports on CNN or maybe MSNBC showing the damage from rockets.

I checked Fox's online video clips, but didn't see any of the stories I'd seen re: this subject.

384 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:11:29am

Good Moaning Lizards!

Meanwhile in Oakland:

Two Oakland police officers working undercover at an anti-war protest in May 2003 got themselves elected to leadership positions in an effort to influence the demonstration, documents released Thursday show.


Folks who are willing accessories to totalitarian police states should not complain about the tactics that the police of civilized nations use on them.

385 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:12:19am
386 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:12:38am
We're rather practiced at ignoring them.

Israel sure got some of their attentions yesterday.

4 UN officers killed in Israeli bombing attack,
No, 3 UN officers killed in Israeli bombing attack.

No, Wait,
2 UN officers killed in Israeli bombing attack.

I never did find out how many UN officers were killed.

/Did they get killed,
Or was it the children they were raping in the Back rooms?

387 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:13:31am

realwest, good morning, hope you're feeling well today.

I'm not too worried. The US said it was a paperwork issue. LOL.

388 greenmamba  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:14:12am

#274 zulubaby

UN aid chief says Israel has 'created a generation of hatred'

We all know how that goes. Look at the awful hatred Jews nurture for Germany, the constant attacks etc etc.

HUMBUG & catering to idiocy.

Stay safe zulubaby.

389 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:15:21am
390 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:16:23am

#373 BenZacharia -Doc's visits went ok, oncologist thinks I'm doing fine ( I just have to get used to feeling extremely tired all the time cause its my cancer meds that make me feel that way, but those meds are, so far, keeping the cancer in check. Great. My internist drained by bursities and gave me corisone shot in the elbow (which is always just sooo much fun) but it was also very emotional for me to be saying goodbye to them. Especially my internist who's been my doctor for over 30 years now. And he's always been there for me, at any time of the day or night (except for a number of holidays; he's orthordox). My oncologist is a young guy working at the po' folks clinic, but he too has been great with me. Anyway, as I said above, you need to read your e-mail.

391 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:16:30am

zulu...

This link is associated with azure, I like it just for the picture of the building.

[Link: www.shalem.org.il...]

.

392 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:17:00am

#389 American Infidel

Ditto.

393 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:18:48am
I agree that the gloves need to come off, and that the true peace loving nations get off of their collective arses and destroy the enemy.

The Limbaugh Doctrine...

Amen.

394 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:19:04am

BenZacharia,

I like it just for the picture of the building.

See, Israel is more than a dustbowl with soldiers ;-)

395 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:19:40am

390 realwest

Reading all of them and concatenating for reply.

396 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:21:48am

#379 BenZacharia - Crap, I haven't even finished first cup of coffe and musta been typing your e-mail when you posted and came back to LGF at your post #373!
Anyway, I'm glad Mrs. Ben is feeling better today.
My quesiton is how are you doing today?

397 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:21:55am
398 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:23:23am

391 BenZ,
I like that.

Jewish people, including Zionist history and ideas, history of the Jewish people, Biblical archaeology, Jewish moral and political thought, democratic theory and practice, strategic studies, and economic and social policy.
399 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:24:44am

Oh
right
of course, we should continue to let the UN handle these things
as they have done so well in the past...

WE ARE COMPLICIT IN OUR OWN DEMISE

UN out of the USA!
NOW!

[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

[Link: www1.idf.il...]

[Link: www.serbianna.com...]

[Link: www.postchronicle.com...]

[Link: www.balkanpeace.org...]

[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

[Link: www.peacewomen.org...]

[Link: www.antiwar.com...]

[Link: www.acepilots.com...]

I could go on FOREVER

400 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:24:50am

Good Morning One and All!

Happy hot and humid Friday to my American Infidel neighbor! Gonna be a scorcher this weekend, for sure.

BabbaZee ~ I thought I saw you ~ hope you're doing well this AM!

401 USMC RECON  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:25:06am

Good Morning Troop !

Damp here on the mountain.

To quote Little Orphan Annie,
" The sun will come out tomorrow"

402 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:25:58am

#393 ibmkeyboard

I agree that the gloves need to come off, and that the true peace loving nations get off of their collective arses and destroy the enemy.

The Limbaugh Doctrine...

Amen.

"and destroy the enemy"

The main problem, is that there are very few people who are willing to admit that there is a TRUE enemy, which is islamofascism.

Rick Santorum got absolutly grilled for calling our enemy "islamofascism".

"Political correctness" and "tolerance", are two of the most serious roadblocks to prosecuting this war the way it truly needs to be prosecuted.

Ignorance, is what the left and many others plead, with not admitting, or flat out denying to call the enemy what it truly is, which is islamofascim.

403 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:27:34am

Realwest

I'm feeling chipper and fiesty, wanna arm rassle?

404 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:27:37am

Mornin' Chi-Blue and everyone!

405 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:27:59am
406 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:30:15am

#397 American Infidel

[Genius, pure genius...Not even taking into consideration 1400 yrs of history, history from the early 70's but just the last 5 yrs and these geniuses still think that when it comes to subduing the infidel the sunni v shi'ia differences matter...And people wonder why I say that the West is losing/retreating...]


I've recently succumbed to the conclusion of others here, that it may very well take another 911 type attack to get people to realize who the enemy really are.

407 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:31:00am

#387 zulubaby I'm feeling ok, yeah, but want to know how you're feeling too. And it's always paperwork, but those planes will keep coming to Israel cause I honestly think Bush, deep in his heart, wants to help the Israeli's as much as possible and he knows on this point he's got the overwhelming majority of the people and Congress on his side.
I'm sorry that life is so fearful for all of my friends in Israel; Hisbollah has turned out to be a more difficult opponent, I suspect, than any of us or the IDF though it would be, primarily because of the weapons and training they've received from Iran and their unhesitating use of civilian shields. In other Israeli Arab wars it's alway been pretty much military vs. military.
The story you told about your sister-in-law's grandmother really clutched at my heart. Having to actually LIVE in a bomb shelter. Shit.
SOOO how are you holding together?

408 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:33:16am
#401 USMC RECON

Good Morning Troop !

Damp here on the mountain.

Recon,
I went out and excersied yesterday, and let me tell you,
It was Hot. 90 degrees, and the humidity was like 140 percent.
Fish were walking beside the track. Humid.

I cant take this anymore,
I promise I will work out when winter comes.

409 wargammer2005  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:33:25am

anyone see O'reilly's first segment last night?

he had on some idiot that kept smiling as she claimed that 70% of Lebanon supports helz-bola (dont care how to spell terrorists)

she futher claimed she wanted all nations to disarm, starting with Israel.

70% of a counry supports a group that wants to kill Jews and destroy Israel.

and the world wonders why Israel is at war...

410 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:33:56am
411 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:34:04am

#399 BabbaZee - Morning Babba! How are ya doing this morning? It's kinda warm and humid here, but the weather people are saying lots of rain on the way this afternoon and evening, hope that and the magic leaf are making things tolerable for you.

412 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:34:41am
413 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:35:43am
414 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:35:52am

#406 - I've recently succumbed to the conclusion of others here, that it may very well take another 911 type attack to get people to realize who the enemy really are.

It may take another 911 to even get people to realize that there IS an enemy. Bush has done us all a big disservice by defining the enemy as a few nuts hiding in the caves of Afghanastan.

And then there is the "head in the sand" syndrome. I was talking to my sister last night and we got off onto the current world situation, something we do not normally do because we often have polar opposite political views. Her statement:

There is nothing I can do to change things or influence things so I am not going to worry about it. The idea that my grandchildren might not have a future is too horrible to even contemplate. I refuse to spend my time and energy even considering the matter.

415 Manker  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:36:51am

#382 zulubaby

Westward Ho, it's more than that, more like half a million people.

I actually think it's a lot more than that

My sister-in-law's family is in Haifa. A lot of them are staying with friends or relatives, but her grandmother refuses to leave. Because we only have one minute to get to the shelters once the siren sounds, her kids have moved her bed and her TV into the shelter and that is where she is, only coming up when she needs to. A minute is not long enough for an old person to get to the bunker.

She is one of hundreds of thousands.

The same story, as a haifa resident I know that feeling when you hear the siren and run for it.

It's a sensation that cannot be described and something you never want to feel.

But the fact is that this situation is in a sense a blessed curse.

While their is no amount of tears, saddness, and thankfulness for their sacrafice that can bring back the dead soldiers or the lost civilians, we must also look at this situation in a much larger perspective.

The current war now, has saved many lives in the future. The fact is that hizb'allahs current attack has screwed Irans plans. When the Iranian president said he was going to wipe Israel off the map he meant it. The fact is that the extent of the hizb'allah stockpile it's readiness, and the preparation of s.lebanon for war points to Iran's very simple plan.

If lets say when Israel or the US was to attack Iran's nuke facilities (assuming before this war). Hizb'allah would have rained down literally all of it's missiles, blanketing the entirety of northern and central Israel with missiles all at the same time. Imagine Israel just covered with 15,000 missiles at the same time. And then at the same time Iran would most likely join the fray hitting all the major cities that Hizb'allah couldn't properly saturate. This would have been chaos on proportions unknown before.

And from the way that IDF generals talk, the original plan of Hizb'allah was that the IDF was going to run through S. Lebanon, causing mass casualties because soldiers would literally run into and right through traps. The fact is that while the IDF's progress is agonizingly slow, this methodical progress is the best way to make sure that the troops don't miss anything.

The fact is that this run into lebanon would have also left IDF troops open to attack from Syria, Hamas, and possibly even other arab countries jumping in to finish off Israel. This situation would have made Yom Kippur war look like a joke.

However with this blessed curse, Iran's plans have been unravelled. Hizb'allah will be more or less neutralized and things like nautilus will finally be finished and will again change the strategic situation to Israel's favor.

Though the part that bothers me is that we had to learn all of this by paying the price in tears and blood.

416 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:37:03am

{realwest}

I had a very bad day yesterday,
thank GOD for the Holy Leaf!
How are you...

417 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:37:08am

Good Morning USMC RECON ~

Big sun here in Chicago and it's going to be big all weekend.

Wheee!

418 DistantThunder  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:38:05am

Hot humid day here in the East.

DH out tromping through the forest with military and alphabet types teaching them man trapping, and man tracking.

Some of those traps and snares from the Vietnam era are Nasty!

419 wargammer2005  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:39:28am

American Infidel

i just could not believe someone sitting there, telling us that all Jews must die.

(and that is the end result of what she wants)

all the while, smiling at us.

i am not a Jew, but i will stand with the right of Israel to exist and to defend the rights and lives of Jews and its non-jewish population (that live better than just about anywhere else in the arab world).

420 friarstale  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:39:30am

A New Song for all to enjoy! (soon to be available on youtube)

Yesterday (or Whose War is This?)

(Brit voice)
Yesterday
All we had to fear was the IRA
Now the jihadis are here to stay
We remember yesterday

(French voice)
Hier-sterday
Les gendarmes n’ont peur de rien sacre
Maintenent ils ne peuvent personne proteger
Je n’oublis pas hier-sterday
Plus le meme chose, le moins changer
Ou quelque chose comme ca, je veux parler….

(Canadian voice)
Yesterday
Overtime might mean the Yanks and Jays
Now our time’s spent watching… I can’t say
Oh, I remember yesterday, eh?

(Indian voice)
Yesterday
The western peoples called Mumbai Bombay
It is bloodied now, no matter how they say
The ISI has reached our way
I remember yesterday
Why they hate us so I do know, and I will say
Some Mo long ago called us Kuffir, and it’s been that way

(Australian voice)
Yesterday
Me mates would hit Bali on holiday
But backpack bombs blew all that fun away
I remember yesterday

(Spanish voice)
Yesterday
Queen Isabella slapped mosquitos away
But new Andalusians blew up our subways
Ain’t that some bullcrap now? Ole!
They remember yesterday

(Russian voice)
Yesterday
Those swine attacked our kids at school, first day
Not satisfied to interrupt a play
Cold comfort when we finally made them pay
Still, we remember yesterday

(New Yorker’s voice)
Yesterday
Some camel jockeys thought they’d make a trade
Our two tall towers for two of their lands invaded
And “Religion of Peace” exposed as a charade
Let’s not forget that Yesterday

(Jewish voice)
Yesterday
A mad poet took our book away
There’s no “Thou art the man” when told his way
Poor choice in editing, I’d say

Suddenly
They’re not half the men they used to be
Blood spot and crater where their shoes should be
Those damned Shahids relieve themselves that way
Can’t wait ‘til that’s so yesterday

421 H-4  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:40:16am

The conscience of the Internet, links to this article:

Let's raise another "impossible" issue: If the Arab world can't sustain one rule-of-law democracy - after we gave Iraq a unique opportunity - might it be a useful strategic outcome to watch Arabs and Persians, Shia and Sunni, slaughtering each other again? Just don't try to referee the death match.

Supporting Dem's = Celebrating the prospect of civil war?

422 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:43:13am

#399 BabbaZee ~

Those links on the UN are outrageous.

I will never understand this world and I get more and more frustrated by this sense of powerlessness.

423 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:43:49am

402 republic,

Rick Santorum got absolutly grilled for calling our enemy "islamofascism".

"Political correctness" and "tolerance"
, are two of the most serious roadblocks to prosecuting this war the way it truly needs to be prosecuted.

Ignorance, is what the left and many others plead, with not admitting, or flat out denying to call the enemy what it truly is, which is islamofascim.

I love those words,
"Political correctness" and "tolerance".. Prisoners on death row used the law books and found those words. We killed 4 members of your family, but you should use tolerance in my judgement.
And I hope it is "Political correctness" to say bullshit.

/Bush and Karl Rove used that word,
and he was elected President. so it has to be. Karl also.

424 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:44:03am

#414 galloping granny

There is nothing I can do to change things or influence things so I am not going to worry about it. The idea that my grandchildren might not have a future is too horrible to even contemplate. I refuse to spend my time and energy even considering the matter.


I'm very sorry you have a sister with such a defeatest view of life. I hope that someday you can convince her otherwise.

425 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:45:36am

#403 BenZacharia - glad you're feeling so chipper and fiesty that you'd wanna take me on in an arm rassling match! LOL! No thanks to that one, in 30 seconds or so I'd just fold up like a cheap tent. These f**king meds have me tired literally ALL the time.
Did ya get my e-mail?

426 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:46:32am

Hi AI ~

Well, they are not totally unswollen yet - but down from yesterday
I can almost close them

They got so bad last night they blistered...

427 USMC RECON  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:46:59am

#408 IBM
Excuses are like A**holes, we all have them,weall use them, and they all stink.

Get out there and run.

Move ! Move ! Move !

428 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:47:16am
429 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:47:50am

There are few of us that remember the Birchers in the '60's saying,

'Get the US OUT of the UN and get the UN OUT of the US!'

I've actually own a desk lamp with an original Bircher sticker with that on it, ca 1964.

.

430 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:50:39am

realwest, you're a honey. I'm fine :-)

Manker, you're in Haifa!?

I know that there is no way to get through but to get through it, and I have faith in the IDF.

431 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:50:49am

realwest

1 from today and 4 from the other day, right?

working
/Trekkie comp voice

432 Westward Ho  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:51:03am

Zulubaby,

The statistics are staggering, half a million displaced people in such a small country! My deepest sympathies for all the citizens of Israel who have to put up with this untenable situation. I have no idea how this is going to end because the supply lines from Syria and Iran are open thereby making the air campaign to end the rockets not very likely to succeed and the Israeli political class does not want to launch a full ground offensive.
Perhaps some one here could help me make sense of the Israeli strategy.

433 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:51:40am

Wifffeee calling.

BBIAW

.

434 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:52:12am
435 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:53:03am

#422 ChicagoBlue

Once there was a Rabbi...
the Kotzker Rebbe (1787-1859)
He got so disgusted with the world
that he withdrew to his room...
every now and then he would open the windows and scream:

UNDECEIVE YOURSELVES!

out at the people in the street.


I feel like the Kotzker Rebbe.
[Link: www.vbs.org...]

436 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:53:21am

#428 American Infidel

I live near Ft Polk, and I am stunned as to how many in this community really have no clue what is going on in the world. To most here, the big issue is when will the war in Iraq end?

437 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:53:26am

granny,

There is nothing I can do to change things or influence things so I am not going to worry about it. The idea that my grandchildren might not have a future is too horrible to even contemplate. I refuse to spend my time and energy even considering the matter.


/it is sad people have their heads in the sand,
I guess it will just be that much less for the Islamsicks to bury.

438 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:54:02am

#401 USMC RECON - MOrning backatcha RECON! A little hot and humid, eh? Remind you of anyplace in particular? LOL!

#408 Ibmkeyboard - "...Fish were walking beside the track. Humid.
I cant take this anymore,
I promise I will work out when winter comes"
LOL, yeah me too! LOL!

439 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:54:42am

We are all on the menu, Jews are just the appetizer. Our enemies intend to kill us all, and soon they will have the means- from dirty bomb suicide belts to actual nukes.

440 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:56:12am

Babbazeeba!

AI
Too bad you changed the channel, cause you missed the BIG OIL IS RIPPING US OFF! segment.

441 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:56:19am

#421 - Are you sure of that link? What I got was a long tale about Howard Dean's expertise.

442 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:56:40am

#428 American Infidel

I see what they read, and they prefer sports pages to the front page...I see quite a few avid readers of the NYT, the Economist, lapping up the "it's all Americas/Israels" fault drivel...

It is disheartening...

I agree.

I told my wife, that the thing that pisses me off the most about many Americans, is that they refuse to investigate anything for themseleves.

They watch NBC News, and take every word, for fact, and they go get busy with life, without even wanting to wonder if what the leftist msm is fact, or bs.

I have said, and still believe, that if the msm told people one day, that hitting oneself in the head with a hammer has been found to be good for ones life, there would be millions of people with sore heads the next day.

Something that I believe has happened over time in America, is that people have gotten really lazy, in the sense of, they are so busy with their lives, they don't even take a few minutes a day to investigate anything, they just cruise along, and if the msm says anything, they take it as fact, and keep right on moving along.

Sad.

443 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:57:29am

IAF jets pound Hizbullah rocket base in Bekaa Valley

The IAF also kept up the intensity of its operations, as over 130 targets were targeted overnight including a Hizbullah base in the Lebanon valley, from which long-range rockets were fired at Israel. An additional 57 targets used by the terror group were struck, among them tunnels, gas stations and tents.

444 wargammer2005  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:57:51am

American Infidel

she did not appear to be a muslim

sorry, i dont remember her name.

445 mad_scientist  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:59:01am

Morning all, how goes it?

446 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:59:07am
447 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:59:16am

Peacekeeper,

We are all on the menu, Jews are just the appetizer.

Brilliantly put, and sadly, very true. It starts with the Jews but it never ends there.

448 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:59:43am

That woman O'Reilly had on was far gone in delusion.

449 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:00:34am
450 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:00:51am

War Analysis

Iran is bringing in (to Lebanon) sophisticated weaponry," said Jumblatt who is head of Lebanon's Progressive Socialist Party and is largely considered the most prominent anti-Syrian Lebanese politician. "The Iranians are actually experimenting with different kinds of missiles in Lebanon by shooting them at the Israelis. Iran is using this violence to test certain of (Israel's) abilities," -Walid Jumblatt

Mr Jumblatt is famous for saying that no member of his family died peacefully in their bed in 200 years. Having spent his whole life denouncing Israel and the US, he came over to our side after the Iraqi and Lebanese elections.

If you read one article today, read this one. Even if you don't have much time just scroll to the deposition of the captured al Qaeda terrorists and his details of just how closely aligned Hezbollah and Hamas are. The inescapable conclusion: Israel is handling some very important 9-11 payback for the US.

The theme that ties all of these items together is something that no one is talking about enough: what are the goals of this war and how are they to be achieved?

Hezbollah, launched this war and, if they survive, will rearm an start another, it is what they were designed to do and will do it again and again. Any agreement that leaves Hezbollah with a single bullet, is a death sentence for the Israeli, American, and Lebanese victims of Hezbollah terror in the future.

The Saudi, French, Iranian and Syrian initiative to have a cease fire is a poison draught for the US and Israel to drink. Syria and Iran are demanding that they be part of the negotiations to solve all of the "issues in the region" and the crisis in Lebanon, for once I agree with them.

Iranian and Syrian reps should sit right next to their dogs in Hezbollah and sign pledges of non-interference in Lebanon, pay for the damages from their war and close their embassies in Lebanon and remove, under NATO supervision, all of their personnel from the country. In addition, Iran should sign a pledge that acknowledges the Holocaust happened, agreeing to NATO supervised dismantlement of their nuclear program, pay damages to Israel for the war and lose their seat in the UN General Assembly for a couple of years punishing them for trying to destroy a member state of the UN.

While I have studiously avoided second guessing the leadership of the US and Israel in the current war, the time really has come for Israel and the US to take things to the next level. As I discussed yesterday about "Heyba," there is a need for a shocking and complete defeat of the enemy. I do not see Israel nor the US making the big moves needed to effectuate that defeat.

If you want another war; leave your bitter enemy a chance to regroup and think they might get it right the next time.

So, Ehud Olmert, your "swing thoughts" for this golf game are: "Baalbeq 2006=Berlin 1945." SWING!

Does the US want to see Hezbollah reorganize again to plot bigger and better terrorist attacks against our people and national interests or do we want these barbarians killed and finished as an organization forever?

451 humanity  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:01:12am

#399 BabbaZee

very true BABBAZEE...
here is missing from your links..
[Link: photos1.blogger.com...]

i think you know those two idiots..

452 Torgo  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:01:30am

Charles,

you have undoubtably answered this many times (probably need a link to a FAQ), but what bike are you rolling on?

Almost certainly something foreign and far more exotic than my Giant TCR2.

Lets see the whole thing!

Ride on.

453 wargammer2005  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:01:30am

how many deaths will it take before this nation wakes?

how many lies from the left?

and how many must we kill to defend ourselves?

i think this is why i hate islam so much, it will force us to destroy it in the end.

454 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:01:40am

#437 IBM - /it is sad people have their heads in the sand,

Very true. And my sis is the "norm" rather than the exception.

Oddly enough, not long before that particular bit of our conversation we were discussing growing up in the 50's, the duck & cover drills, the horror that still remains with us as adults because my father decided that I - at 10 - in case of a nuclear attack would be responsible for getting my twin 5 year old sisters home from school to hide in the basement until he arrived (didn't want us evacuated to somewhere people had already evacuated from.)

It makes me wonder how much of this current mess has been caused by millions of people thinking just exactly the same thing. "I can't do anything so I'll ignore it... the possibility is to horrific to contemplate."

455 Carridine  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:01:53am

#367- Infidelity: I live next to a 35-hectare wetlands reserve, with songbirds and lizards, bats and boas, breezes and blue sky... in the Bangkok suburbs...

Your (collective) Summertime Blues are making Thai TV news here, as I type away at my un-airconditioned keyboard, grateful for the jasmine growing around...

Wazzat? SURE, you can come here... its bee-yootiful, Boobchik!

456 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:02:30am
457 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:02:31am

#431 BenZacharia - Correct. GO take care of Wife - much more important than dead thread or e-mails.
Would like to know what doc says today - try to mention enteric coated adult baby aspirin and see what he (or she) says. And if you get the chance, please e-mail me after the visit.

458 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:02:40am

#423 ibmkeyboard

I love those words,
"Political correctness" and "tolerance".. Prisoners on death row used the law books and found those words. We killed 4 members of your family, but you should use tolerance in my judgement.
And I hope it is "Political correctness" to say bullshit.

/Bush and Karl Rove used that word,
and he was elected President. so it has to be. Karl also.

President Bush's remarks to Tony Blair, while eating, included neither of those two scam words.

Priceless.

459 mad_scientist  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:03:40am

402 republic,

Rick Santorum got absolutly grilled for calling our enemy "islamofascism".

"Political correctness" and "tolerance", are two of the most serious roadblocks to prosecuting this war the way it truly needs to be prosecuted.

Ignorance, is what the left and many others plead, with not admitting, or flat out denying to call the enemy what it truly is, which is islamofascim.

Speaking of Rick Santorum...It appears he isnt doing to well against Casey in the polls here in PA.

Not really sure why. Casey has no real position on anything and is even scared to debate him in public...he has turned down multiple offers from Santorum to do so.

If the polling data is accurate, it doesnt look like Santorum will have a chance...

460 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:03:45am

One point that has been out there more and more (a good thing) is people like Hannity will ask the shills what more evidence do you need that they are coming after us? Is this not a replay of the 1930's when Hitler was telling everyone what he was planning?

461 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:04:44am

Here, we have Warren Christopher advocating the same old schtick that has never worked.
A Time To Act

...Because Hezbollah has positioned itself as the "David" in this war, every day that the killing continues burnishes its reputation within the Arab world. Every day that more of the Lebanese infrastructure is turned to dust, Beirut's fragile democracy becomes weaker, both in its ability to function and in the eyes of its people.

The impact is not limited to Lebanon or Israel. Every day America gives the green light to further Israeli violence, our already tattered reputation sinks even lower. The reluctance of our closest allies in the Middle East even to receive Secretary Rice this week in their capitals attests to this fact.

It is time for the United States to step forward with the authority and balance that this moment requires.


Warren Christopher
Thanks, Warren, but we tried it your way. Now go back to sleep.

Interesting article in The Spectator...
Why Blair is standing by Bush now
Irwin Stelzer

...But there is brawl now being fought in the Middle East. Both the President and the Prime Minister see the current hostilities as a battle in the ongoing war with Islamic jihadists, a war the West must win if it is to preserve its way of life. Neither man blames the Israelis for the death of civilians unfortunate enough to be acting as involuntary human shields for Hezbollah weapons caches, bomb-making factories and rocket-launchers. Blair has a harder political task than does Bush: some of his own ministers, joined by a William Hague who once knew better, are pressing him to support an immediate ceasefire, rather than stick with Bush in holding out for a more durable solution — never mind that the same made-in-Iran missiles that are killing Israelis in Haifa are killing British soldiers in Basra.

For more than one reason, the Prime Minister will side with the President. In part he will be holding to his position that ‘the price of influence is that we do not leave the US to face the tricky issues alone’. In part he will be reacting to his greatest fear: an America defeated in its efforts to spread democracy, and given a bloody nose in the process, will retreat, sulk in its tent, leaving the world leaderless and at the mercy of Islamic fanatics. ‘The thing I fear,’ he told some reporters, ‘is not American unilateralism; it is actually American isolationism... .’ And in part Blair will do what he does when he is at his best — do what he believes is right.

Tony Blair may be no Winston Churchill, just as George W. Bush is no Franklin D. Roosevelt. He may not even be a Margaret Thatcher, and Bush no Ronald Reagan. But the current occupants of the offices once held by those great statesmen are both convinced that they know what is right, and are prepared to suffer such slings and arrows as their opponents may aim at them in order to bring some semblance of order and decency to a world in which those commodities are not in oversupply. We asked no more of their distinguished predecessors.

462 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:05:21am
463 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:06:46am
464 Carridine  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:06:58am

#454: Granny: Ma'am, in 1956 (age 10) I was in England as an AirForce brat... we, too, had duck and cover drills, and I had nightmares, and we all were scared...

So here's PART of a ditty we chanted to make the horror seem less ogresome...

"Remember kids, never stare!
What's that bright, actinic glare?

Hit the dirt! Join the crowd!
Mommy, look! A mushroom cloud!"

465 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:07:49am

Humanity:

i cant access your link I get this:

ERROR
The requested URL could not be retrieved

The following error was encountered:

Access Denied.
Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect.

Your cache administrator is webmaster.

Is it the photo of Kofi el Satan and Nasrallah shaking hands?
[Link: www.meib.org...]

if so it is here in this article
scroll down to the middle
on the left

466 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:08:14am

I'm baaack.

Just did the meds with wifffeee, 13, and measured her legs.

467 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:08:43am

#460 Peacekeeper
yes
it is a replay

but the stakes are way higher today...

468 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:08:48am
469 friarstale  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:09:26am

464 carridine
Good One!

did you catch the slightly longer doggerel at post 420 (ahem...)

470 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:09:39am

Babba
And once again there are those who think the jews are getting what they deserve...

471 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:09:46am
15:58 Sirens sound in north (Haaretz)

15:31 Katyusha rocket damages Magen David Adom center in Safed (Haaretz)

15:29 Rocket barrage hits Tiberias area (Haaretz)

15:17 5 rockets land near Afula and Nazareth (Haaretz)

15:06 Sirens sound in Nazareth (Haaretz)

14:34 Rocket hits house in Galilee panhandle; two people injured (Haaretz)

14:22 Sirens sound in Tiberias, Safed (Haaretz)

14:20 Barrage of rockets fired at Kiryat Shmona (Haaretz)
472 Carridine  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:10:01am

#462, 463: Infidel: You see #455?

473 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:10:39am
#427 USMC RECON

#408 IBM
Excuses are like A**holes, we all have them,weall use them, and they all stink.

Get out there and run.

Move ! Move ! Move !

Recon,
You are killing my ass. If I have a heart attack from the heat, how will LGFers know that I have died? Some dont care, but some will.

/Where is Keyboard? Hasnt been here for months.
didnt he say he was going out to excersise in the 90 degree heat?

Tombstone:
Here lies Keyboard, Sgt Recon pushed his ass beyond the thousand yard stare.
Hero of Vietnam, fat ass in civilian life.
Oh well, we all gonna die someday.

474 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:11:18am

#427 USMC RECON - "Move ! Move ! Move ! "
Boy did THAT bring back nightmares memories!
I truly wish I could just Move! once much less three times. Enjoy your physical fitness and physical abilities while you have them, cause life sucks when you don't.

475 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:11:19am

AI

yes
they look just like burns

start off with a generalized swelling
then the enraged red hives appear within the swelling
and those then continue to swell to bursting

when this happens to me
I look like I've been nuked

this time it was only the hands
but I have had it happen all over my body...

476 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:12:29am
#470 Peacekeeper 7/28/2006 06:09AM PDT
Babba
And once again there are those who think the jews are getting what they deserve...

Jew Hate
is TRULY the world's oldest profession, LOL

477 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:13:16am
478 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:13:28am

#459 mad_scientist

If the polling data is accurate, it doesnt look like Santorum will have a chance...

I stopped believeing any polls, after the "John Kerry winning by a landslide" polls of 2004 Presidential election.

The Bilbray/Busbey contest in CA not long ago, had Busbey up in the polls for most of the time, and Bilbray won, by the usual 4-5% points that the area usually ends up with.

Polls are like opinions, everyone has one!

What were the polls saying for Cynthia McKinney in her primary race, double digits?

She only beat her closest competetor by less than 2% points, and now she's in a run off.

After the John Kerry Landslide polls, I believe none.

Whatever happens, I go from there.

Also, don't you think that any true Republican base that Santorum has, won't get fired up to vote, if they see a leftist kook like Casey ready to defeat him?

479 Carridine  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:13:51am

#469-Friar's Tail: GOOD ONE!

"Ou quelque chose comme ca..."


Yeah, I guess so! Something like that! Mweh!

480 friarstale  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:14:09am

Iranian reinforcements on the way to Lebanon (sheep to the slaughter?)
from memri
[Link: switch5.castup.net...]

481 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:15:25am

BabbaZee

Does the, uh, unusual medicine help the leg swelling. The, uh, unusual medicine grows wild here abouts, don't know why authorities haven't burned it. NOT catnip or hemp, the realdeal. So I've got access if needed.

.

482 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:15:28am
483 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:17:16am
484 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:17:21am

AI
sadly,
taking a bath makes it worse...

the only thing I can do to arrest it when it gets that bad is steroids

and for pain

GANJIHAD!

485 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:17:43am
Your (collective) Summertime Blues are making Thai TV news here, as I type away at my un-airconditioned keyboard, grateful for the jasmine growing around...

You can be arrested for that abuse.

lol

486 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:18:42am

#475 - BabbaZee, that almost sounds like shingles. Have your md's given you an explanation for what causes this?

487 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:19:51am

But CAIR is a noble cause...Islam is Peace...Hizbos build Schools...Hamas is a force for Peace...It must be true...People say so.

488 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:19:53am

#462 American Infidel

Most here don't even know what the term islamofascism implies, even some of the retiries. The sad fact is that they don't care as long as they aren't involved.

489 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:20:08am

#481 BenZacharia

While it does not actually take down the external swelling very much
(it does a little bit)
what it does do
is mediate the pain burning and itching of the swelling
which can drive you mad...

That being said
it DOES seem to take down the internal swelling quite a bit
in my intestines and in my organs
i can immediately feel relief
internally

but if you are looking at the overall swelling externally, it doesnt seem to actually reduce it by any appreciable amount

Just makes it tolerable enough that you can fall asleep...

490 Manker  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:20:44am

#430 zulubaby

Yup I am a Haifan

491 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:21:35am
492 Carridine  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:21:55am

#483- Nuff said.

493 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:22:46am
494 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:24:09am
495 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:24:32am
#487 storagemanager

But CAIR is a noble cause...Islam is Peace...Hizbos build Schools...Hamas is a force for Peace...It must be true...People say so.

.Hamas is a force for Peace...
Has anyone else noticed?

Hamas has been real shy, like little mice.

Afraid Israel will stomp their arse.

496 Carridine  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:24:42am

#491- AI: Always a source of excellent insights, Victor...

497 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:25:16am

#480 re video -

"All the world's powers are helping the Israelis to attack Lebanon whose innocent people are armed only with faith."


I have spewed upon my shiny new monitor and totally trashed the keyboard.

I wonder if Turkey is going to stop these nice folks at the border? For that matter, I wonder if the US is going to stop all international flights from Turkey.

498 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:25:53am

#468 American Infidel

It sure does seem like it does it not?!?

The irony, is when I use the "hammer on the head" analogy with the people who never investigate things, they act like I have insulted their intelligence, and I just used the analogy, I never directed at them, personally.

They get defesnive, when I wasn't even directing it at them.

I think that many people have very guarded ideas about the world, and our nation, and they simply refuse to look at the fact that they could be wrong, or that the media could be wrong.

What would they tell their family if they changed their world or national views?

What would they tell their buddies if their world or national view changed?

I have a sister who is absolutly wacked!

I can't even say HI to her, without her going off on some kind of leftist kook rant, which is why we haven't spoken for over two years.

499 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:26:02am

#459 mad scientist

If I knew nothing about Rick Santorum other than this, it'd be enough to get me to vote for him... I lost the link - sorry :(

Senator Santorum Repugnant Remarks on Islam, Iran, and Syria

By Mohammed Khaku

Al-Jazeerah, July 25, 2006

Sen. Rick Santorum (R., Pa.) remarks at the National Press Club on Wednesday July 19th 2006 calling for regime change in Iran and described "Islamic fascism" as the "great test" of this generation, as threatening to the United States as last century's German Nazism and Soviet communism was inappropriate. These prejudicial remarks were derogatory, and highly unbecoming for a member of US senate. The Senator rhetoric in a public forum demeans both himself and the party he represents, particularly at a time when entire Middle East is in turmoil.

Don’t ask Santorum to “apologize,” folks. Vote Democratic.

500 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:26:32am

Morning all, as NYC prepares to bake at 90+ degrees for a week straight at high humidity.

The NYT is claiming that the Arab opinion around the world is shifting to support Hizbullah. Gee, why would they do such a thing? Could it be that anyone providing even a modicum of support for Israel's efforts could be themselves the recipient of the Islamists overthrowing them?

Could it be that the number of casualties being trotted out by the Lebanese has something to do with it, despite the fact that no one can tell who a dead terrorist is unless they're holding a gun in their hands?

My daily update is posted.

501 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:27:15am

Israel the Largest country in the world should stop being such a Bully!

502 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:27:57am
503 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:28:35am

486 galloping granny

I am missing some pieces
and because I had two back to back 9 hour surgeries
I also suffered from what is called
"adrenal exhaustion"
Plus there is a huge cyst growing on the left adrenal

all this combined caused a sort of domino effect going on in my body ...
what this reaction to the organ loss and the surgeries mimics most closely is LUPUS,
but it is not lupus
there is a form of "pressure hives" and what they call "trauma induced angioedema" in play
Basically
my immune system thinks everything that touches me is attacking me
I felt good Wednesday so I went grocery shopping
this incident is directly a result of me pushing a cart and handling the bags
as pressure against my skin will ilicit this response

which is why it is always my hands and feet that are swollen the most.

The doctors cant really do anything for me
other than heavy steroids when it is unbearable

They tried a million meds, nothing worked.

this is why I can not work anymore
even a bra will give me a welt... so getting dressed everyday is a hazard for me, LOL

504 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:29:06am
...Very short-range missiles fall outside any existing export-control regime. China is a primary seller, or proliferator, of missiles and technology. At its International Aviation and Space Exhibition two years ago, China for the first time displayed its B611 short-range missile with a range of 95 miles.

Where would one use a VSBM? Richard Speier, a former Pentagon missile specialist, says Seoul "is a sitting duck for Frog-7s," a short-range missile with a three-minute flight time that North Korea successfully test-fired in May 2005. The Straits of Taiwan comes to mind, as do various border cities in Pakistan, India or Kuwait. These small missiles can carry chemical or biological agents. Uri Rubin calls them "ideal weapons for terrorizing population centers." It generally requires state power to manage and deploy such weapons, but that power is of course a goal of radical Islam.

Israel's population, with Katyushas raining down on them by the thousands, is a metaphor for the world ahead of commoditized missile weaponry. Not thinking about how to survive in that world is foolhardy. Hezbollah's Katyusha barrage, coming so soon after North Korea's aggressive, highly publicized Taepodong test, elevates all this as a political issue.

Historically the Democratic Party has committed itself to suppressing the development of anti-missile technologies. This opposition dates to the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty of 1972. During the Cold War, when the enemy was the Soviet Union, opponents of missile defense opted for the policy known as mutual assured destruction, or MAD. Sens. Biden, Levin, Kerry and Kennedy all in recent times have spoken out against missile defense. The party's platform in 2000 opposed "an ill-conceived missile defense system that would plunge us into a new arms race." But closing off missile-defense technologies today means we default again to MAD, or a kind of MAD Jr.

This was made explicit last Jan. 19 when French President Jacques Chirac threatened a nuclear strike to deter terrorist attacks on France. "Against a regional power, our choice is not between inaction and destruction," he said. "All of our nuclear forces have been configured in this spirit." In a similar vein, it is generally believed that Japan could--and probably would if necessary--assemble several nuclear devices within 30 days. Whatever the argument in the Cold War years for protecting populations with a strategy of mutual assured destruction, it makes no sense now when negotiating partners such as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong Il represent the antithesis of any known concept of good faith.

As Robert Kaplan pointed out in the Journal last week in his review of "Terrorists, Insurgents and Militias," the biggest strategic problem today isn't past notions of big-power miscalculation but new rogue regimes whose ideology means they "cannot be gratified through negotiations." Absent any in-place protection against the missiles described here, "defense" means either an Israel-type counteroffensive, nuclear retaliation or--the Democratic preference--open-ended diplomacy, cease-fires and negotiation. None of these suffice. Widely available tables showing the proliferation of missiles listed by nation boggle the mind. Put simply, in terms of post-launch, we are behind the curve.

We are heading toward two election cycles amid a world unsettled by missile threats--in the air or on the brink. To the specter of North Korea and Iran delivering WMD by long-range missiles, now add Katyusha-like strikes from very small rockets and missiles. Come 2008, we may see a Republican candidate who understands these issues running against a militarily ambivalent Democrat who has to learn them, like an unguided rocket, on the fly.


A World Unsettled by Missile Threats By Daniel Henninger

505 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:29:48am

#461 J.D. - Morning! Warren Chistopher was terrbile back in the day just like Jimmy Carter and age hasn't made him any smarter or wiser, just like Jimmy Carter. Fuck Christopher.
The article from The Spectator was very much "Right On" the world has no idea of the calamities that so many would face if the USA became isolationist again.
And somewhere along the line we've all of us made a mistake. When civilians allow themselves to be human shields, when they don't refuse to support blood thirsty tyrants (much less, God forbid, try to overthrow them) then those civilians have become a MAJOR problem in the war and unfortunately have to suffer the consequences. All of our smart bombs and lasers this and that and UAV's etc., won't work against a medevil mindset; death and destruction isn't what they fear as much as they fear opposing death and desruction. The UN is a much to blame for this as any other institution in the World. UNIFILS and other UN Peacekeepers have been taking casulaties since Koffi took office and the UN's response (unless Israel is involved) is a big YAWN.
Saying UN out of US and US out of UN doesn't go far enough. THe UN out of business, let's try something new is perhaps one answer. In the meantime, while Russia and China, thorugh their surrogates try out new weapons and tactics, we need to unveil some old weapons and tactics - carpet bomb, shock 'n awe, that's what's really needed in Lebanon (and sooner rather than later in Syria and Iran) - let's see if they have 1/10th the courage and fortitude of the Israeli people and the IDF.
The Taliban didn't.
Saddam and his vaunted Republican Guard didn't.
I have not reason to believe that Iran or Syria will, either.

506 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:30:05am
507 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:32:00am

OK... found something that's making me scratch my head...

In some of the film on FOX of Israeli artillery (155mm SP) firing, you have the exhaust blast, recoil, exhaust smoke (grey-brown), and a moment later a 'puff' of _red_ smoke (same color as that from a red smoke grenade).

Anybody have a clue as to what that might be? I don't.

508 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:33:01am

All of Micah today
Countdown to 9th of Av 5

In case any of the opponents of 'end timers' think it's a Christian thing.

Mic 4:1 But in the end of days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established as the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and peoples shall flow unto it.

Check check check

Mic 4:11 And now many nations are assembled against thee, that say: 'Let her be defiled, and let our eye gaze upon Zion.'
Mic 4:12 But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they His counsel; for He hath gathered them as the sheaves to the threshing-floor.
Mic 4:13 Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion; for I will make thy horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass; and thou shalt beat in pieces many peoples; and thou shalt devote their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.


.

509 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:33:25am

#491 American Infidel

The other desideratum is the destruction of Israel itself. Iran promised to wipe Israel off the map, and then gave Hezbollah thousands of missiles to fulfill that pledge. In response, the world snored. If tomorrow more powerful rockets hit Tel Aviv armed with Syrian chemicals or biological agents, or Iranian nukes, the “international” community would urge “restraint” — and keep urging it until Israel disappeared altogether. And the day after its disappearance, the Europeans and Arabs would sigh relief, mumble a few pieties, and then smile, “Life goes on.”

Only the truly ignorant, don't understand that Israel has the Power of GOD not only on her side, but against ALL who oppose Israel.

The world has wittnesed this very fact forever, and denied it.

One day, the Power of GOD, in regards to Israel, is going to be revealed, and it is truly going to be a very bad period, for any, and all who have ever opposed Israel.

It will in fact, be beyond most, comprehension.

510 H-4  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:33:56am

#441 galloping granny,

#421 - Are you sure of that link? What I got was a long tale about Howard Dean's expertise.

Yep. In the first paragraph Mr. Sockwald links with the words "rapidly unfolding". He doesn't quote any of the article mind you, he probably stopped reading after the first paragraph thinking the rest of it was in the ballpark somewhere.

[NY Post]

WHEN I visited Baghdad in March, there was no civil war. There is no civil war in Iraq today. But it's beginning to look as if there might be one tomorrow. [...]

Here's the brutal reality: If Iraq is destined to become yet another monument to Arab failure, there could be far worse outcomes than a bloody civil war - as long as our troops are out of it. We should be drawing up contingency plans to move a reinforced division and adequate airpower to the Kurdish provinces in the north, to withdraw the remainder of our forces to the south, and then to let Iraq's Sunni Arabs and Shias go at it.

511 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:34:17am

War Analysis Continued


Iran and Syria are playing a game with the US and Israel called Vietnam in Arabia. Just as the US held back from striking into North Vietnam (where the enemy was and where the enemy supported the war in the south until the US lost its will to fight), al Qaeda, Iran and Syria are using the same strategy. The US gets troops killed in Iraq by Sadrist-Iranian proxy militias and terrorists are "rat routed" from Lebanon and Syria; by never hitting the sources of the terrorists, the terrorism builds and finally convinces the public the cause is lost. US goals are frustrated and stability eludes us in Iraq because we let our enemy get away with it.

Iran has paid zero price for a policy of a series of acts of wars against the US; we pretend it isn't happening and then wonder why the war has become so unpopular. Wars become unpopular when the people don't see victory. After Gettysburg and Vicksburg, no one questioned Lincoln on whether the war could be won. A year later, Sherman marched to the sea and Grant brought the hammer down on Richmond; Lincoln had gotten tired of losing and brought in men who knew how to win and turned them lose on the enemy. After 1863, the South fought the war on their own territory and lost; prior to that the war was fought on their terms at the periphery of the CSA, once Lincoln let Grant and Sherman go in, the war was taken to the enemy and the Confederacy was literally destroyed; it 19 months.

When we bomb Iran's oil export facilities and destroy their refineries, the terror in Iraq will stop instantly because the money paying for all that terrorism is gone. The oil pipeline heads of Iran are the same as the plantations of Georgia in 1864- the lifeline of the enemy.

In the modern age, the networks of life are far more complicated and distributed. So it is that Israel is far better situated to destroy the Hezbollah network than the US is. The US is quite extended in the war and may have to go into Iran, Israel is fully capable of doing the job in Lebanon. Israel was attacked and her people are committed to winning the fight in Lebanon. Let them do it and win big.

If Iran is Richmond, Hezbollah is Georgia and Israel should "march to the sea" and destroy Iran's breadbasket of terror once and for all. The we just need a Grant to cave in the Mullah's skulls once and for all.

Lebanon must be a clear and decisive defeat of the Iran-Syrian Axis. So much has already been lost; Lebanon has been utterly ruined for her daring Cedar Revolution; Syria, Hezbollah and Iran did not get the memo about their desire to be free. They wanted this war to destroy Lebanon's desire to be free every bit as much as much as the desire to destory Israel. Israel did get the memo about the stated desire to annihilate the Jewish state and is fighting but for the first time in this war, I do not see clear goalposts for victory and that ALWAYS leads to half measures, cease fires and inconclusive results, rather than the only thing that can make all the human misery and death of this war remotely worthwhile- Total Victory.

A victory in Lebanon will crush Hamas and the Palestinians no less than Hezbollah, so it is that the northern front is the key battle of the war on terror; the stakes could not be higher.

512 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:34:20am
storagemanager

Israel the Largest country in the world should stop being such a Bully!

The Jews are doing what they do everyday,

Trying to take over the World.

/Pinky and the Brain.

513 Middle-Earth  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:34:59am

U.N. Observers Leave Israel-Lebanon Border

The United Nations has decided to remove unarmed observers from their posts along the Israeli-Lebanese border, moving them in with the peacekeeping force in the area, a spokesman said Friday.

514 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:35:32am

#502 American Infidel

My surprise comes mainly from the fact that this community fully supports the Military. Even though they have concerns about the soldiers well being, most have absolutely no clue about the history of the middle east, much less where these terrorist scum are located on the globe.

515 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:35:34am
Republic:
One day, the Power of GOD, in regards to Israel, is going to be revealed, and it is truly going to be a very bad period, for any, and all who have ever opposed Israel.

It will in fact, be beyond most, comprehension.

AMEN,
Daddy-o

516 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:37:32am

#3

That's a Karl Rove brain-wave weirod receptor. Looks like it's running at about 80%.
The problem with those is that you have to wear the funny looking weirod hat to get full reception.

517 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:37:35am

507 vet...

inert gas flush? colored for varification? don't know if they could see it from inside turret.

518 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:38:23am

#508 BenZacharia

Amen~


I think the problem is many do not realize that all things Christian
derive from all things Jewish...
especially the most Jewish thing of all... Yeshua...

Happily that is changing and many Pastors are making the Christians aware of their
"Jewishness"
and teaching Jewish history and Jewish ways.

519 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:38:52am

#508 BenZ:

In case any of the opponents of 'end timers'

I'm not an opponent of the End Timers themselves, I'm an opponent of End Time hysteria.

Check check check

So...you're saying "the mountain of the LORD'S house" has been "established as the top of the mountains"... er, meaning a mountainous church or synagogue was recently built on top of Everest? Did I miss this?

520 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:39:21am

{BabbaZee}

(virtual hugs do not cause hives!)

I'm SO sorry for your discomfort, but I'm glad it's not lupus.

I'm sure God is giggling at my prayer list. Right after Israel (they're at the top) and my family & "real life" friends, I launch into "realwest" and "BabbaZee" and other online buddies. I know He knows whom I mean, but it's got to sound funny.

521 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:39:24am

#503 - BabbaZee, I am so sorry. I wish I could suggest something. I hear you about the bra. I was crushed under a car a few decades back - bilateral pneumothorax, 14 broken ribs (and that was just the start.) I have not found a bra that I can wear for more than 45 minutes in 20 years or so. Unless it is something like a wedding I do without (hang public opinion) because to do otherwise puts me back on the shock box flat in bed for a day or two.

Hell to get old isn't it?

522 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:39:29am
523 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:39:53am

#481 BenZacharia - sorry my friend, but please check your e-mail for one more missive. Thanks.

524 mad_scientist  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:40:38am

#478

Also, don't you think that any true Republican base that Santorum has, won't get fired up to vote, if they see a leftist kook like Casey ready to defeat him?

While I share your distrust some polls...pretty much every poll is saying the same thing, unless they ALL are biased to the democrat side, it doesnt look good.

As for the base getting fired up, we are, and will get out the vote, but that isnt enough in PA anymore.

Voter fraud in Pittsburgh and Philidelphia is so rampant that it is almost impossible to neutralize. When PA went Gore in 2000 the results for Philadephia were especially disturbing.

There were precincts that had over a 100% voter turnout. Not doubt the dead were out in full force voting democrat that day.

I want Santorum to win and will vote for him, as will many of my friends, but combating the fraud in the two major cities in PA is very tough...

525 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:40:50am

#517 Zach

Sounds plausible. Do they do something like that in field artillery? I'm just a dumb grunt.

Might not see it from in the cab, but the TC will be able to see it from his hatch, even when buttoned.

526 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:41:48am

And Happy Peruvian Independence Day to all.

527 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:42:31am

BabbaZee ...Isaiah 60 thru 66

528 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:42:32am

{galloping granny}
I am sorry for your suffering...but I am also certain that it has made you strong and wise, it is not for nothing that we survive these things...
And yes...
Old is not for wussies!
LOL!

529 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:42:56am
...Or telling people not to put their hands on a hot stove...

It's my stove and if I want to touch it, I will.

530 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:43:43am

Good morning all from hot and humid NYC...

Great Op-Eds in the Post today from Ralph Peters and John Podhoretz...

Peters discusses the tactical mistakes by the IDF in NOT pursuing complete Hiz'b'allah destruction. He cites that it will be viewed as a victory for terror because in the ME, perception is everything.

Podhoretz is basically continuing his great piece from the other day, asking questions that need to be asked...

Check them out at www.nypost.com

531 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:44:27am

511 AG


Great analysis

the stakes could not be higher.

IMO I think we have moved past '38 and even '41 and are still 'whistling past the graveyard'. The longer the non-moslem world waits, the higher the death toll will be in the resulting conflagration.

532 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:45:17am

yes Storage, yes.

This is the haftorah for the morning fast of the 9th of Av
which is August 3rd:

[Link: bible.ort.org...]

533 Buck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:45:29am

#499 Killer Tomato

I am sure that nice, open minded Germans in the 40's hated the expression "Nazi Germany". Just as a moderate muslim would hate "Islamic fascism".

534 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:45:32am

513 Middle-Earth

U.N. Observers Leave Israel-Lebanon Border

The United Nations has decided to remove unarmed observers from their posts along the Israeli-Lebanese border, moving them in with the peacekeeping force in the area, a spokesman said Friday.

Hallelujah!

Of course, the Arabs and MSM likely will blame Israel on the removal of the "peace" force as proof that Israel was the aggressor whose goal was to remove the U.N. all along.

535 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:45:41am
Iran has paid zero price for a policy of a series of acts of wars against the US; we pretend it isn't happening and then wonder why the war has become so unpopular. Wars become unpopular when the people don't see victory. After Gettysburg and Vicksburg, no one questioned Lincoln on whether the war could be won. A year later, Sherman marched to the sea and Grant brought the hammer down on Richmond; Lincoln had gotten tired of losing and brought in men who knew how to win and turned them lose on the enemy. After 1863, the South fought the war on their own territory and lost; prior to that the war was fought on their terms at the periphery of the CSA, once Lincoln let Grant and Sherman go in, the war was taken to the enemy and the Confederacy was literally destroyed; in 19 months.

/You bunch of damn yankees. lol

We were totally humbled, lost our pride at Gettysburg. attitude adjustment.

The islamsicks need the same medicine.

536 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:46:07am

#518 BabbaZee

I think the problem is many do not realize that all things Christian
derive from all things Jewish...
especially the most Jewish thing of all... Yeshua...

Happily that is changing and many Pastors are making the Christians aware of their
"Jewishness"
and teaching Jewish history and Jewish ways.

The Book of Romans explains it well for me BabbaZee, as a Christian.

The whole Book explains it for me, but Romans gives a very clear direction on the topic which you mentioned, for me.

In Yeshua

537 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:46:20am

John Kerry: Grade A Asshole, and roadkill.
("Kerry ordered the banana cream pie before he sent it back")

538 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:46:24am
8 BabbaZee 7/28/2006 06:38AM PDT
#508 BenZacharia

Amen~


I think the problem is many do not realize that all things Christian
derive from all things Jewish...
especially the most Jewish thing of all... Yeshua...

Happily that is changing and many Pastors are making the Christians aware of their
"Jewishness"
and teaching Jewish history and Jewish ways.


TRUE CHRISTIANS UNDERSTAND ROMANS 11...LOVE JEWS AND ISRAEL.

539 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:46:31am
540 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:47:03am

Good morning all. I've come out of lurk mode for the day as the boss is away!

Thought for the day,

People who live in stone houses shouldn't throw glass.

541 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:47:47am

Occasional 25:17

Lo! Thou shalt not go into the valley of ignorance driving a Hummer. Verily the gas mileage is shitty. Happy is he who takes the public transit for only a fool will stand before a train and argue with it. Trust not the counsel of the woman: for she is not mechanical. Hath she not hidden thy remote?

542 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:48:15am

520 {Goddessoftheclassroom}


Thanks sweetie
yea, my prayers sound like that too

also sometimes they include things like:
"the little kid at the gas station with the sad eyes and the horrible mother"

etc.

He knows excactly who we are taliking about!

543 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:48:27am

U.N. Observers Leave Israel-Lebanon Border

Was that because the countries who provided those "peacekeepers" withdrew them all?

The sheer lunacy of stationing unarmed "peacekeepers" on the Lebanon-Israeli border and expecting them to do anything other than have tea with Hizballah is almost beyond comprehension. This had to have been deliberate so the UN could lend a hand to the Hizzies while pointing at their sitting ducks saying "See! We are doing something!"

544 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:50:20am

#534 Mandy Manners

Of course, the Arabs and MSM likely will blame Israel on the removal of the "peace" force as proof that Israel was the aggressor whose goal was to remove the U.N. all along.

I am quite certain that the very reason they are finally removed, is because the voice of truth is being spoken here, and on other good blogs, and FOX News has been , at least the reasonable reporters and commentaters, have been speaking loudly, about the fact that Hezbollah has been using those U.N. outposts as battle stations.

Maybe it was singly, the Canadian military guy, who had been getting emails before the Canadian was killed, which clearly told the truth about Hezbollah using the U.N. outposts as battle stations.

Speak the truth and speak it loudly.

545 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:50:53am

#541 Peacekeeper

Verily I say unto you that thou hast cheered me unto my very spleen.

546 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:51:30am

Galloping Granny
The stated rationale for not arming peacekeepers is that it will make them safer. There is no point in shooting at unarmed men, right?

547 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:51:49am

#543 galloping granny

U.N. Observers Leave Israel-Lebanon Border

Was that because the countries who provided those "peacekeepers" withdrew them all?

The sheer lunacy of stationing unarmed "peacekeepers" on the Lebanon-Israeli border and expecting them to do anything other than have tea with Hizballah is almost beyond comprehension. This had to have been deliberate so the UN could lend a hand to the Hizzies while pointing at their sitting ducks saying "See! We are doing something!"

I heard on FOX early this morning, that Australia had already pulled any Australians who were U.N. peacekeepers.

Maybe they started the trend.

548 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:51:50am

538 storagemanager
Absolutely correct!

549 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:52:10am

#505 realwest
Good morning to you. Glad to hear you had encouraging news.

The article from The Spectator was very much "Right On" the world has no idea of the calamities that so many would face if the USA became isolationist again.


We have needed to do this for as long as I can remember. At the same time, any failure will be seized upon by our enemy as a sign of weakness and encouragement to them. How can this not be evident to everyone? That short-sighted, short-term "diplomacy" is ineffective in this situation?

You know what's funny is that, when I moved down here, I noticed one thing people almost always mentioned at least in passing the very first time you talk to them is some reference to 9/11. It was uncanny. There are many who recognize the problem. Many.

So I post some political links that seem to come from out of the blue, from time to time, as a gentle reminder of where we go (nowhere) when we allow the other side to act on our behalf.

Pander and Run

After years of struggling to define their own approach to post-Sept. 11 foreign policy, Democrats seem finally to have hit on one. It's called pandering. In those rare cases when George W. Bush shows genuine sensitivity to America's allies and propounds a broader, more enlightened view of the national interest, Democrats will make him pay. It's jingoism with a liberal face.

The latest example came this week when Democratic senators and House members demanded that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki either retract his criticisms of Israel or forfeit his chance to address Congress. Great idea. Maliki -- who runs a government propped up by U.S. troops -- is desperate to show Iraqis that he is not Washington's puppet. And the United States desperately needs him to succeed because, unless he gains political credibility at home, his government will have no hope of surviving on its own. ...

550 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:52:29am
551 jehu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:52:40am

Morning Lizards. I have a question: Did anyone hear or see any reports of a protest in Boston, I think last week, with supporters for Hezbollah and that it became violent and some counter-protestors (mostly Jews) were attacked?

Just saw a blurb on Fox but was busy and did not catch much. Seems that would be real news, but then we would need real news organizations, not just propoganda wings for the traitor party.

552 psyopsvsislam  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:52:59am

#511 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I do not see clear goalposts for victory and that ALWAYS leads to half measures, cease fires and inconclusive results, rather than the only thing that can make all the human misery and death of this war remotely worthwhile- Total Victory.


Iran and Iraq used WMD's and threw children against each other for years. Are you prepared to kill the children of Syria and Iran? That is part of what it will take for the West to survive.

553 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:53:09am

realwest

email down right now.

554 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:53:16am

#536 republic
Also absolutely correct!

555 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:53:39am

Morning, morning! A good night's sleep has done wonders for me today. I'm ready for a good

COCOA ACKBAR!

and an argument or two.

Goddess: Yeah, my prayer list looks like that too. I keep thinking that my friends at church will say I'm nuts, but then I know a very wise Christian who would say, "Not at all. Pray for anyone and everyone, regardless of whether you know their name." And you're right--G-d knows what I mean.

556 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:53:43am

PPPLLLOOooOOooome!

557 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:53:52am

Aaaah...

Weekend, no obligations.

'Cept my commitment to slowly sip this here nice, chilled


пива Балтика

Cheers!

558 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:53:54am

Peacekeeper

LOL!

GOTC 1.1:

Ignore the advice of thy helpmeet at thy peril, for she is usually right. It is better for thee to bow to her wisdom than to have the sound of "I told thee so" in thy ears for all eternity.

559 Black George Bush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:54:26am

morning everybody!

560 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:54:27am

#541 PK: I insist that the word "shitty" appears nowhere in the Bible. Well, maybe in one of those "modern" hippie translations.

BZ, trying to glean from your posts exactly what is the matter, how you feelin'?

561 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:54:31am

Hmmm, Cyrillic fonts not exactly fully supported, it would appear :D

562 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:55:20am

#551 jehu

Not surprisingly, it was covered here (somewhere) - maybe someone with a better memory than I will come along and assist...

563 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:55:28am

#526 OR

And Happy Peruvian Independence Day to all.


The same to you, and Thanks! I would never know when it is if not for you.
:D

564 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:55:43am
of "I told thee so" in thy ears for all eternity.

And thus did Adam eat of the apple...

565 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:56:12am
The United Nations has decided to remove unarmed observers from their posts along the Israeli-Lebanese border, moving them in with the peacekeeping force in the area, a spokesman said Friday.

So is the ISM moving in to replace them? Same deal, but less likely to screw little kids (in both sense of the word "kid")

566 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:56:36am
567 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:56:39am

#528 - Babba, my suffering is as nothing compared to yours. As long as I leave off the bra and stay out of the grocery store (the air freshener/detergent/candle aisle sends me into spasms, literally cannot breath) I am for the most part pretty OK. It has let me retire early (my hands are not what they once were - very dangerous to handle highly infectious stuff when the test tube may crash on the floor momentarily) but that has allowed me to devote my life to raising my grandchild while Mom works. I don't know if you can understand this, but I suspect you of all people will: in some ways that horrible life changing event was the "best" thing that ever happened to me.

568 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:56:42am

And later:

GANJIHAAAD!

/This bud's for you Babba :D

569 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:56:43am

#539

American Infidel

Here is a timely reminder of which side shall in the end be victorious..."

Spot on!

I'm with you.

570 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:57:25am

#564 Peacekeeper

Which teaches us women to be wary of listening to snakes, whether in trees or bars.

571 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:57:31am
572 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:57:35am

BZ, now I saw #503, never mind my question... yikes, please accept an atheist's, er, prayer that you are doing better soon.

573 mad_scientist  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:57:52am

#537 FrogMarch

Just watch that video. What a smug, arrogant POS that Kerry is. He really thinks himself a genius and better than the rest of us...you can just hear it in his elitist voice.

Glad Bolton snapped back at him...wish they would have shown a bit more though. Would have like to heard Kerry's rebuttal Bolton's last jab that Clinton did a poor job since North Korea violated their agreed framework...

Bet Kerry was just stewing after that...

574 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:58:10am

OR

I'm feelin' fine, wifffeee in bad way.

575 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:58:28am

#540 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Good morning all. I've come out of lurk mode for the day as the boss is away!


Woo-hoo! Now's your chance to rack up the posts!

576 jehu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:58:43am

Yeah but they did have motorcycles in the Bible: "The sound of David's Triumph was heard throughout the land."

577 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:58:44am
578 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:58:54am

Babba
This mortal body is but an eggshell. When it starts to crack you get your first glimpse of freedom.

579 mad_scientist  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:59:00am

PIMF...should read "just watched that video in my post #573

580 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:59:06am

Good morning fine lizards. Don't read this unless you want to get depressed.

581 jehu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:59:36am

formercorpsman and AI...thanks.

582 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:59:41am

#563 J.D.:

I would never know when it is if not for you.

Drink up!

583 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:59:41am

#551 - Re Boston protest. There was a post last week about the Hizzie protest in Boston - complete with pictures. As I recall the person who reported did mention something about being vocally abused but nothing that sounds like what you're hearing.

584 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:00:09am

#567 galloping granny

I don't know if you can understand this, but I suspect you of all people will: in some ways that horrible life changing event was the "best" thing that ever happened to me.

I am right with you granny.

I have had two of those "life changing events" happen so far in my life, being in the most current one right now.

What looked like the end, has made my life more blessed than I could have ever planned, in 10,000 years.

585 jehu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:00:35am

And they obviously smoked cigarettes in the Bible: "Rebecca lite up on her camel."

586 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:00:44am

#574 BenZacharia

I'm so sorry. May you both find strenghth and comfort this day.

I know I'd rather be sick that see someone I love sick. You need our prayers, too.

587 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:01:26am
The IDF believes that at least 200 Hezbollah operatives have been killed since the fighting began more than two weeks ago, a military source said Friday.

A good start.

Kill. More 'Em All

588 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:01:38am

#572 Occasional Reader

BZ, now I saw #503, never mind my question... yikes, please accept an atheist's, er, prayer that you are doing better soon.

That is only a temporary condition. :^)

589 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:01:51am
Friday Prayers Leader:

Supporting Hezbollah Means Defending Regional Countries

TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Tehran's Substitute Friday prayers leader Hojjatoleslam Ahmad Khatami warned regional states that if Israel turns into the superior power of the region, it would certainly attack all surrounding countries to make them subordinate to itself.



"Therefore, rendering support to Hezbollah means defending your own security," he stressed.

Khatami further praised resistance of Lebanese Hezbollah, and said it destroyed the false assumption about the Zionist regime to be an invincible power.

"Regional states regard the Zionist regime as an invincible power but this movement (Hezbollah) shows that Israel is just like a balloon," Khatami said in his second Friday prayers sermons at Tehran University campus.

"Today Hezbollah defends Islam. The issue of Shiite and Sunni is not the question. The Shiite Hezbollah shoulders this responsibility to reduce pressure on Hamas, which is a Sunni move," he added.
He said the Zionist regime's attack on Lebanon was a pre-planned plot, adding, "The Zionist regime drew plans for its attacks on Lebanon two months ago when it carried out a maneuver in the occupied Palestine.

"The Zionists intended to surprise Lebanon but Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers as part of its legitimate defense."

Pointing to Lebanese prisoners in Israel, the cleric added, "It was a long time that Hezbollah was determined to release the prisoners but it failed.

He asserted, "It thought capture of two Israeli soldiers would be the only option to urge the Zionist regime to release Lebanese prisoners."

He said capture of two Israeli soldiers by Lebanese Hezbollah was a legitimate defense, adding, "If the Zionists do not regard the measure as a legitimate defense, they can also capture two (Lebanese) soldiers and not destroy a country.

"This is the Zionist regime's media which intends to introduce Hezbollah as an adventurist organization."


READ BETWEEN THE LINES. [Link: english.farsnews.com...]

590 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:02:17am

560 OR

heh. probably the same version of the bible that tries to claim that Jesus was gay.

heh.

591 Geepers  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:02:23am

J.D. (#549),

Interesting article, thanks.

Looks like the Democrats have finally got a winning strategy there. Every example given was a veritable "yer damn right" chorus right here at LGF.

592 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:02:28am
Occasional ~ how you feelin'?

I live to tell the tale, daddy-o,
and thanks for asking...

593 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:02:35am

#551 - Boston Protest - here is the original report. If the linkie messes up it is a July 23 report

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

594 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:02:52am
595 jehu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:02:59am

And of course Eve was the very first carpenter, since she "made Adam's bannana stand."


Not to mention both the second shortest and the shortest persons that ever lived were mentioned in the Bible:

Nee-high-mia.

Bill-dad the Shoehight.

But enough scripture for this morning, I might convert O.R.

596 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:03:28am

588 BenZacharia
His athiesm or my swelling, LOL!

597 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:03:36am

#575 JD

Yep...

I feel quite naughty, a bit sarcastic and perhaps verbose (although the verbosity will most likely rear it's ugly head on the FNDT. There's also the chance of a dirty limerick or two!)

598 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:04:06am

573 Mad...

To be sure the leftist Democrat party will now block Bolton's nomination. The leftists desire a status quo relationship with the corrupt UN.
Once again revealing how far left the modern democrat party has swung.

and yes, I agree - John Kerry is an elitist know-nothing jackass.

Kerry also dropped his law suit against the Swift Boat Vets ---just in time for discovery.

hmmm - I wonder why?

599 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:04:18am
600 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:05:19am

The Democrat party is no on par with the Randi Rhodes show. uber uber UBER far left-wing socialist liars.

601 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:05:21am

#580 FrogMarch:

Don't read this unless you want to get depressed.

Be of good cheer.

If Hugo ever tries to use his Su-30s against US forces, they will quickly be converted into expensive scrap metal. The man is living on borrowed time anyway IMHO.

Anyway, while there have been some reverses in Latin America, it's a mixed bag. Hugo's favorites lost in the most recent Peruvian and Mexican elections; Lula in Brazil seems to be getting more nervous about associating with him; Uribe in Colombia is a mensch, the best friend we have in the region and was just resoundingly re-elected. We lost Bolivia to the stupiditarians, but, well, who cares?

602 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:05:57am

Golden!

huffa puffa
I missed too many posts!
I have to go read them

Be back in a little bit

603 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:06:26am
And they obviously smoked cigarettes in the Bible: "Rebecca lite up on her camel."

And midgets:

Knee-high-miah

/groan

604 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:06:40am

I'm pretty sure that talking about John Kerry without Taxfree's permission is bad. That's his shtick.

605 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:06:58am

try again: (Re: The Democrat's hatred of John Bolton)
The Democrat party is now on par with the Randi Rhodes show. uber uber UBER far left-wing socialist liars.

606 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:07:14am

#574 BenZ:

wifffeee in bad way

I'm sorry to hear it; may she spring back soon.

607 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:07:14am

#573 mad_scientist

Just watch that video. What a smug, arrogant POS that Kerry is. He really thinks himself a genius and better than the rest of us...you can just hear it in his elitist voice.

Glad Bolton snapped back at him...wish they would have shown a bit more though. Would have like to heard Kerry's rebuttal Bolton's last jab that Clinton did a poor job since North Korea violated their agreed framework...

Bet Kerry was just stewing after that...

John(why the long face)Kerry got his butt handed to him by the outstanding Mr. Bolton.

It was a thing of beauty.

Kerry was seething, and he looked like even more of an idiot than he usually is.

He came in, last second, to try and throw Bolton for a loop.

I can just see those kook leftist wacko's scheming in a back room, Kennedy, Pelosi, Dean, etc, "Hey John, wait until the hearing is just about over, then go out and spring this BIG ONE on him, boy, we've got him now"

The leftist kook plan backfired, bigtime, and Mr. Bolton wiped the floor with Kerry, like a wet mop.

It was beautiful.

608 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:07:41am

596 BabbaZee

OR mistakenly used 'BZ' when OR meant 'BenZ'. Both.

609 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:07:58am

My favorite version of the Bible is the RSV, probably because I grew up with it. Other versions just don't "sound" right to me, although the New King James's Version is nice, too.

One of my favorite verses is from the laff fest, Lamenations, chapter 3:

18 And I said, My strength and my hope is perished from the LORD:
19 Remembering mine affliction and my misery, the wormwood and the gall.
20 My soul hath them still in remembrance, and is humbled in me.
21 This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope.
22 ¶ It is of the LORD’s mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
23 They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.
24 The LORD is my aportion, saith my soul; therefore will I hope in him.
25 The LORD is agood unto them that bwait for him, to the soul that cseeketh him.
26 It is good that a man should both ahope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD.
27 It is good for a man that he abear the yoke in his byouth.
28 He sitteth alone and keepeth silence, because he hath borne it upon him.
29 He putteth his mouth in the dust; if so be there may be hope.
30 He giveth his acheek to him that smiteth him: he is filled full with breproach.
31 For the Lord will not cast off for ever:
32 But though he cause grief, yet will he have acompassion according to the multitude of his mercies.
33 For he doth not aafflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.

610 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:02am
611 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:02am

Jehu! You took my line!

/what I get for reading slowly; cannot catch up today

612 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:09am

Peacekeeper, you are hilarious.

613 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:30am

Maybe we should just use "Zach"?

614 Duane  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:34am

Here's a story about Hezbollah support in Michiganistan specifically in Dearborn.

615 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:44am

x

616 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:09:15am

#607..republic

My 7 year old could hand Kerry's butt to him.

617 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:09:52am
Galloping Granny wrote:
I don't know if you can understand this, but I suspect you of all people will: in some ways that horrible life changing event was the "best" thing that ever happened to me.

I understand completely.
GOD bless ya, Granny~

618 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:10:05am

601 OR

Ah - the bright side. Thanks.

Be of good cheer.

I woke up feeling of good cheer, so thanks. I will be of good cheer.

619 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:11:05am

#606 Occasional Reader

Permanent condition, totally disabled now SSDI.

620 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:11:24am
621 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:12:24am

#597 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

#575 JD

Yep...

I feel quite naughty, a bit sarcastic and perhaps verbose (although the verbosity will most likely rear it's ugly head on the FNDT. There's also the chance of a dirty limerick or two!)


Perfect!
OR brought the booze.
We're starting early, it seems.
:D
You only have 1,096 posts!
Drink up!
Time's a wastin'!

622 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:12:31am

#584 - Republic : What looked like the end, has made my life more blessed than I could have ever planned, in 10,000 years.

Republic, I have had many of these event in my lifetime. I have learned two things:

God's greatest gifts to his children often come in ugly wrapping paper.

Never ask God to grant you patience or wisdom. He will. You won't like the learning.

623 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:12:43am

#595 jehu:

Eve was the very first carpenter, since she "made Adam's bannana stand."

Did she now? Hm. I... never mind.

624 jehu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:12:49am

Kerry needs to start a hamster rescue service...that was such a cute story...bet lots of little girls voted for him...

625 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:13:09am

heh.. Bolton

Dems will admit, when forced, that he is doing a good job. I've seen them do it on Fox.

then, when immediately asked if Bolton should then be confirmed because he is doing a good job and not just going along with the crowd, the response is always the same "Let's not make this an issue of politics."

but... that's exactly what they're doing. He does a good job and the republicans are for him and the democrats are against him.

That's Playing politics... Dee de deee.

now they're saying that it is going to be pushed off until September.

fine... let it be pushed off, and even let the Left filabuster. We'd love that just before an election...

what'll end up happening is that there will eventually be a vote in which the republicans, except maybe one or two, will vote for Bolton and the Democrats, except maybe one or two, will vote against him.

and, in the end, it will again be a situation where the politicians are more concerned about doing public things to get votes than to look for the best interests of the United States Citizen.

626 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:13:09am

TTFN

Gonna jump on the tractor and clear some meadow.

.

627 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:13:09am

Goddess

I have to admit, I'm not happy with just one version; I tend to bounce back and forth between versions--NASB, RSV, NRSV, NIV. For the NT, I love my Greek Interlinear with the NRSV in the margins. I haven't learned Hebrew (yet), so I don't have anything similar for the OT/Torah and prophets.

Any opinions on The Message?

628 m  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:13:45am

#620 zulubaby

Thanks zulubaby! That's awesome!

629 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:14:32am

#598 Frog March

To be sure the leftist Democrat party will now block Bolton's nomination. The leftists desire a status quo relationship with the corrupt UN.
Once again revealing how far left the modern democrat party has swung.

and yes, I agree - John Kerry is an elitist know-nothing jackass.

Kerry also dropped his law suit against the Swift Boat Vets ---just in time for discovery.

hmmm - I wonder why?

Most believe that there are enough votes to stop any attempt to filibuster Bolton, but they are going to try and hold off until September, to make any attempt.

It's actually working right into the Republicans favor, as Bolton has much to do between then and now.

Kerry's, or should I say, the DNC plan, was to hold Kerry back, until the end, and then go out, and try and get a "negative" reaction from Bolton.

Bolton was splendid, and near flawless in his answers to the ever insane Kerry.

It didn't work, it only showed the DNC plan to do that, and it failed, utterly.

Most believe that nearly every Repub., and many Dems are going to support the vote, which will block any filibuster with 60 votes.

Kerry is a total loser, on every account.

Every one!

630 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:14:39am
631 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:14:50am
OR mistakenly used 'BZ' when OR meant 'BenZ'

No, actually I meant "BZ" for BabbaZee.

632 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:15:55am

Bad idea, if you ask me.

633 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:16:24am

In the dictionary:

Loser: See Kerry, John F.

634 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:17:00am

all the time and money wasted... your money and mine, to sit there and have these public confirmation hearings in which the republicians as a few questions and the democrats strut around and take cheap shots at the administration and at bolton.

in the end, no real information is exchanged that isn't already known, and not 1 vote will really be influenced by these hearings. . .

just have the vote and move on. stop wasting our money.

635 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:17:01am
Hmmm, Cyrillic fonts not exactly fully supported, it would appear :D

All Cyrilliced out here.

636 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:17:58am

Update on Sheehan land purchase:
Judge Napolitano right now on his show has the lady who originally owned the land. She sold it to a Mr Fonseca, who represented himself as a Katrina victim, and he then intends to "lease" it out to Cindy. The original owner is trying to block the deal now that she has found out that the land was not sold for the reason she was told.

637 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:18:20am

peacekeeper

I tend to agree with you--especially if they are, in essence, advertising it by allowing news releases.

Lance

Ditto. Ditto. Ditto.

638 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:18:32am

Angiiieee...

/on the radio

639 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:18:49am

m, you're welcome! :-)

640 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:18:56am

#632 PK:

Bad idea, if you ask me.

Not to mention: Where will they move the Stargate?

641 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:18:58am

#627 vxbush

I have to admit, I'm not happy with just one version; I tend to bounce back and forth between versions--NASB, RSV, NRSV, NIV. For the NT, I love my Greek Interlinear with the NRSV in the margins. I haven't learned Hebrew (yet), so I don't have anything similar for the OT/Torah and prophets.

Any opinions on The Message?

Download the LXX (Greek tran of TENACH ca 300? bce) interlinear, 80% of Christian Bible quotes of TENACH are from it.


Also download [Link: www.e-sword.com...]

and get the JPS with it too.

Now I reqally gotta go. I'll check back at this spot when done.

.

642 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:19:14am

vxbush

I agree with you for study purposes. One of the many things I love about my priest's sermons is that he explains the Greek or Aramaic text.

As an English teacher, I find such comfort in the beautiful familiar language of the RSV.

643 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:19:34am

Syria and the United States: Bad Habits Die Hard
[Link: www.meforum.org...]

From 2003 but very relevant

644 Pickle  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:19:45am

Crazy Debbie has been at it again. And it looks like she's succeeded in driving Jeff offline.

This woman needs to go to jail. Now.

645 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:19:59am
Angie, angie, when will those clouds all disappear?
Angie, angie, where will it lead us from here?
With no loving in our souls and no money in our coats
You cant say were satisfied
But angie, angie, you cant say we never tried
Angie, youre beautiful, but aint it time we said good-bye?
Angie, I still love you, remember all those nights we cried?
All the dreams we held so close seemed to all go up in smoke
Let me whisper in your ear:
Angie, angie, where will it lead us from here?
Oh, angie, dont you weep, all your kisses still taste sweet
I hate that sadness in your eyes
But angie, angie, aint it time we said good-bye?
With no loving in our souls and no money in our coats
You cant say were satisfied
But angie, I still love you, baby
Evrywhere I look I see your eyes
There aint a woman that comes close to you
Come on baby, dry your eyes
But angie, angie, aint it good to be alive?
Angie, angie, they cant say we never tried

It's a sign i'm getting old.

I really dig some Stones tunes :P

646 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:20:20am

'Morning, all.

Saw a great bumper sticker this morning, on the back of a white Toyota Corolla (it also had an "Annoy A Liberal" bumper sticker):

Is there a way I can
claim 12 million dependents
on my tax return?

647 elBarto  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:20:38am

601 OR The problem for south America is the hardworking people are coming to the US. That leaves them with all the leftists.

648 m  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:21:13am

#632 Peacekeeper

Bad idea, if you ask me.

Whysat, PK? They are moving it, not permanently closing it, right? Or no?

And I agree with vxbush~ why in the heck are they advertising it?

649 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:21:34am

#625 Lance Kates

Kind of like Howard Dean yesterday comparing Katherine Harris to Stalin, and then, saying "We need to end this divisiveness.

The left is completly unhinged, and in full blown insane mode.

They will pay for it.

Most believe that there will be enough votes to stop any filibuster attempt on Bolton.

They have no facts to base their "opposition" to Bolton, not any, that are facts.

The typical leftist Dem response,

"We need change"

Change what

"er, well, um, er,"

What are your plans, please explain any plans that you have,

"well, er, um, er, um"

They are truly kooks!

dangerous kooks

650 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:21:35am

636 Just A Grunt

setting aside any misrepresentation as a 'katrina victim'

she should be able to do as she wishes with her land as long as it does not break any municipal regulations.

now, as far as a possible misrepresentation as a 'katrina victim' . . . is that something that can nullify a sale of land?

I know that if someone sells you land telling you what you can do on it, then it turns out they were lying, you can sue the seller (we've been there. we've done that) but i'm not sure that a misrepresentation on the part of the buyer can constitute some sort of fraud.

If it does, than Disneyworld is in trouble.

651 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:21:35am

Just_A_Grunt

Ah, that explains how she could "purchase" land in W's home town. I wondered who would sell her property.

652 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:21:44am

What I Saw in Dearbornistan
By Debbie Schlussel

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

653 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:22:05am

#613 Peacekeeper - Morning! How are ya this fine, hot and humid as hell day?!
Maybe we should just use Ben or Ben Z ?!

654 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:22:56am

#644 Pickle

Crazy Debbie has been at it again. And it looks like she's succeeded in driving Jeff offline.

This woman needs to go to jail. Now.

Yep. I was just going make that ovservation myself.

Sick.

655 jehu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:23:20am

O.R.

This is why Christians (and Jews) will prevail. We have a Holy Book too, but our God actually invented humor... What eventually will kill Islam? "Laughter!" In fact the name Issac means laughter, and the "son of the bondwoman will not inheirit with the son of promise."

Satan and his minions (revealing themselves to all but fools now days) can take their darkened shriveled souls, without joy, without love, without humor, and go to the place prepared for darkened bitter souls.

I am amazed at the almost soveriegn dividing of people in this time. Centered right now over people's thinking of Israel and Jews. Woe to the nation(s) that hate the Jew, it will not be as in the past, but now I think judgement will be passed, nothing is left to be said, people hate now...because they want to hate.

I think many people will not have to outwardly proclaim some faith in God, but their love of life, their love of language, of humor, their intellectual curiosity speaks of their love of God for them.

656 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:23:22am

#645 Golden Jerusalem

657 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:23:59am

Lucky Strike - It's toasted! :P

/Now where's that uhm whassit, unh...

658 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:24:06am

#655 jehu

selah
huzzah
and
amen

659 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:24:13am

m
Since they are moving operations to an office building, it makes the odds of a sneak attack much more likely to succeed.
In any future crisis, trying to move the staff back into the mountain will be disruptive and probably seen as provocative.

660 funkyfantom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:24:33am

I winced when I read this morning that the Israeli Minister of Justice said that
"The world had given Israel permission to act in Lebanon".

He was rightly rebuked by Germany, the US, and all sort of other players. I say "rightly rebuked" because, if you act like a lapdog, you will be treated as such.

Hello, Mr. Minister? Hello?

YOU DO NOT NEED THE WORLD'S PERMISSION TO STOP A
TERRORIST GROUP FROM TRYING TO SLAUGHTER NORTHERN ISRAEL WITH MISSILES.

No other country in the world would ask for this permission.

661 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:24:47am

BenZ

The LXX is a great idea, but I'm on Mac, not Windows, so E-Sword won't work for me. (I checked yesterday, as a matter of fact.)

But there's a Bible Collge not far from me; maybe they'll have the Septuagint in a print form? It's not the Hebrew, but it would work for now.


Hmmm...

662 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:25:18am

Realwest
As Loppy might say: "Zach is wack".

663 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:25:23am

#544 republic

#534 Mandy Manners

Of course, the Arabs and MSM likely will blame Israel on the removal of the "peace" force as proof that Israel was the aggressor whose goal was to remove the U.N. all along.

I am quite certain that the very reason they are finally removed, is because the voice of truth is being spoken here, and on other good blogs, and FOX News has been , at least the reasonable reporters and commentaters, have been speaking loudly, about the fact that Hezbollah has been using those U.N. outposts as battle stations.

Maybe it was singly, the Canadian military guy, who had been getting emails before the Canadian was killed, which clearly told the truth about Hezbollah using the U.N. outposts as battle stations.

Speak the truth and speak it loudly.

While we know that hell-raisers were responsible for the decision, I guarantee you that the Arabs and MSM will blame the Israelis. Heck, I heard it myself on CNN this morning.

The script-reader said something to the effect of "The U.N. has decided to withdraw its observers after an Israeli missile killed four." There was no mention of how Hizb'Allah wounded the observers, used them as shields.

GACK!

664 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:26:09am

649 republic

yup, but talking with my father yeilded this gem:

"Yeah, the left is completely off their rocker... but that's ok because their voting base can't tell the difference."

665 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:26:46am

Pickle (#644)

She's a lunatic but why has he stopped blogging? I don't get it.

666 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:27:07am

#656 BabbaZee:

Great tune, ain't it?

Be around for 40 years and you're bound to hit the nail on the head a few times... :P

I think there are maybe 20-30 Stones tunes I really love.

There is a lot of crap though, too...

/Mik Jagger's disco phase, anyone? {shudder}

667 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:27:09am

PIMF, PIMF: Bible college

668 Shaken  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:27:10am

Has Kofi given the order to move UN posts away from Hezb posts yet? Has he given the order to move assets away from hot spots?

If not, why not?

669 Sean II  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:27:12am

MSNBC: Hezbolah now firing Khaibar-1 type rockets into Israel this morning, whatever that may be.

670 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:27:19am
671 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:27:45am

GOOD MORNING {all y'all}

vxbush

Any opinions on The Message?


Very popular with young people.

672 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:28:39am

661 vxbush

I think I got mine from Amazon.

I forget now.

673 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:28:44am

While I’ve an extremely difficult time believing much, if anything, published by most Arab Street Rags® or their subsidiary branch, the New York Times; this article, Tide of Arab Opinion Turns to Support for Hezbollah, if true, would appear to indicate we’ve extremely little time remaining to decapitate the serpent - Tehran.

So much for ’Peace in Our Time.’

674 mad_scientist  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:29:04am

#625 Lance

in the end, no real information is exchanged that isn't already known, and not 1 vote will really be influenced by these hearings. . .

The worst possible thing that happened to these hearings was putting cameras in there. Now these jackasses are just struting around for the media, trying to score cheap political points to try and get re-elected.

We really need to get 90% of these Senators out of there. They spend ALL of their time getting re-elected. I wonder how often they sit down and say, "I dont care if this hurts me politically, it is a good plan for the American people so I am voting for it"?

My guess would be never...maybe we should just have term limits on these bozos so that it wouldnt be a constant campaign, and they can get back to doing the work of the people...

675 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:29:31am
676 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:29:32am

Myself:

/Mik Jagger's disco phase, anyone? {shudder}

with the exception of Miss You...

/I love Danish radio on the web: NEON KNIGHTS

677 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:29:50am

#591 Geepers

J.D. (#549),

Interesting article, thanks.

Looks like the Democrats have finally got a winning strategy there. Every example given was a veritable "yer damn right" chorus right here at LGF.


You know I think it's human nature, to some degree.
At least I hope.

678 m  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:29:53am

#659 Peacekeeper

Moving it to an office building? Wth? You're right- bad idea.

679 scoreboard44  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:29:57am

HEY...


Greetings from the state that's shaped by the hand of the great spirit.

Allah ACK! ACK! ACK!

680 elBarto  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:30:20am

660 IF J Kerry had been elected we would. Remember it has to pass the global test.

681 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:31:12am

#663 Mandy Manners

While we know that hell-raisers were responsible for the decision, I guarantee you that the Arabs and MSM will blame the Israelis. Heck, I heard it myself on CNN this morning.

The only important thing, is that we continue to speak loudly, to, that what comes from 95% of the left, the msm, and islamofascists mouths, are lies, spin, deception, and distortion.

I firmly believe that it DOES make a positive difference.

682 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:31:20am

mad_scientist

I wonder how often they sit down and say, "I dont care if this hurts me politically, it is a good plan for the American people so I am voting for it"?


Look where that got Joe Lieberman.

683 m  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:31:40am

#666 Golden Jerusalem

/Mik Jagger's disco phase, anyone? {shudder}

Yeah, that was even worse than KISS' disco phase.

684 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:31:46am

BabbaZee will rebuke me, but DIO is GOD!

:D

685 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:31:53am

by the way... if you REALLY want to piss off bookstore workers, ask for a copy of the septuagint.

when they look at you in confusion because they've never heard of it, help them spell septuagint.

when they tell you that they don't have it and that they can't order it (which is crap by the way, it is not on moratoreum like their computer system says), ask them why they have many books about islam and new age and bhuddism, but not this basic greek translation of the Jewish Scriptures.

then ask where you can get the current Ann Coulter book.

man... that's better than giving them a papercut and pouring lemon juice on it.

686 nobs  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:31:56am

This is a great story. This wonderful man and his wife attend my church and I thought some hear would enjoy it. It will air on the History Channel's "Save Our History" documentary on Saturday, Aug. 5 called "Inside a B-25 Bomber," which profiles six veterans of this aircraft.
He and his wife are such great people he is in his 80’s but you would never know it when talking to him. He has been a member of our church since I was a baby. I’m now in my late thirties and I can’t remember a time that he has not been around although he still calls me by my older bothers name. I respectively don’t correct him and continue to discus current events with him. If possible I ask everyone to checkout the documentary next Saturday. Thanks.

It is said to survive a combat mission during World War II you had to have three things going for you: luck, skill and prayer ... lots of prayer.
Talmadge (Tal) O. Epps must have had all of them and more in his corner. Epps, a technical engineer and gunnery sergeant aboard a B-25 Mitchell bomber, survived more than 100 risky combat missions in the South Pacific. He and his crew of the 345th Bomb Group escaped many a close call.

The link to the Wayne Times website for this article is:

[Link: www.zwire.com...]

687 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:32:12am

Shaken, yeah, the UN is outta there.

688 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:32:22am
689 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:32:48am

#661 - Re e-sword and Mac. Will check with my daughter to see if there is a way to change an exe ---> a Mac file.

690 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:33:15am

#684 Golden Jerusalem
LOL

691 Geepers  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:34:23am

zulubaby (#665),

At some point you just get tired of people making threats and vile comments about your wife and two year old.

692 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:34:37am

#666 Golden Jerusalem - He GJ! Congrats on hitting the magic number! LOL!
But, speaking of the Stones, think about this: how many groups do you know of that you really like 30 or so of their songs?
Yes, they've had their dumb periods and yes they aren't now what they used to be, but I have a 4 CD compliation of their "greatest hits" - must be close to 55 or 60 tunes and all but one or two of 'em get me rockin' as soon as I hear the opening bars.
If I had my way, when you opened the proverbial dictionary of enclyclopedia to "Rock and Roll" there'd be a photo of the Stones right there!

693 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:34:47am

I guess I'm too young to have undergone a disco phase myself.

Too bad, really.

I reckon I'd look real smart in 6" platforms and one a them Sat Night Fever-stylie suits with the massive lapels...

Oh, and the bell-bottoms!

:P

694 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:34:51am

VX BUSH GODDESS

[Link: www.artscroll.com...]

695 m  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:34:52am

#671 {redstateredneck}! Hiya sweets! How's my fav Mississippian today? Hitting the lake house over the weekend? And can you do something with Shep?

696 mglazer  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:34:57am

Israeli grandfather murdered, burnt found in car trunk in palestinian town

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

697 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:35:22am

Okay, gotta go in five minutes and move printers around. 'Cause, you know, the guys in the building can't do it.

Lance: You are one, cruel man sometimes.

698 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:36:01am
699 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:36:30am

Geepers, do you know if he's taking legal action against her?

It's almost like terrorism, isn't it?

700 sunny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:36:48am

Well, the Crazy PHD Deb Frisch is at it again. Jeff appears to have had enough.

And if there is a doubt that its her again, TacJammer has the trace.

You can see here most recent comments here, but the language is pretty bad.

701 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:37:12am

Galloping granny: no, there's no way to get a Windows executable to run on a Mac without Virtual PC, BootCD, or something similar (and most of the software that works well requires a really up-to-date Mac).

702 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:37:21am
703 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:37:21am

I had only one pair of bell bottoms.
They were just too ridiculous.

704 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:37:47am

{m}

And can you do something with Shep?


Sorry, he's from North Mississippi (practically a Yankee).
:D

705 sunny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:38:14am

I'm always so late...

706 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:38:15am

PK, m:

Moving NORAD out of the mountain: the epitome of stupidity.

Here's a telling remark:

Adm. Tim Keating, who commands both NORAD and the U.S. Northern Command, said the government’s best intelligence “leads us to believe a missile attack from China or Russia is very unlikely.”

Like the intelligence that missed the 9/11 attacks?

They should just paint a giant bullseye and the GPS coordinates on the roof of the building. Un.believable.

707 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:38:50am

#687 zulubaby:

Shaken, yeah, the UN is outta there.

Deur. Arsch. Laat het niet u raken. Vaarwel, de V.N...

How's my Babelfish, btw?

708 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:39:39am

Gramsci's Mengele:

[Link: www.aim.org...]


You must say to Pharaoh, 'This is what God says: Israel is My son, My firstborn.
I have told you to let My son go and serve Me. If you refuse to let him leave, I will ultimately kill your own first-born son.

~ Exodus: 4:22.23

709 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:39:46am

#700 sunny
You did good!

710 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:39:53am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Hezbollah Claims New Khaibar-1 Rocket Hits Town of Afoula

Okay, let's get this over with. Israel, take off the gloves and pull out the stops. There is no room for negotiation or "agree to disagree." The enemy has chosen zero-sum; give it to them.

God bless Israel.

711 vxbush  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:39:55am

Okay, I'm gone.

BZ: yeah, I keep meaning to buy ArtScroll. My problem is I'm getting tired of buying stuff online. Sounds weird, I know. Maybe next month.

712 nonic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:40:02am

From tfc3rid's link at 530, I see that Harry Potter is going to appear nude on the London stage (in the pretentious 60's piece of crap "Equus").

I think this is a very bad idea.

Look, right away, the columist is saying "Harry Potter will be waving his other wand."

Such a bad idea that I wouild have thought that his contracts would not have allowed him to appear nude and blinding horses.

Do any of these actors actually have brains?

713 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:40:21am
714 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:40:32am

#702 AI:

*shudders with distaste at the images your words conjure up*

No, I'm serious.

I even have the 'burns to go with it, lol!

Should I drop the spoon-on-a-chain, though?

715 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:41:07am
716 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:41:16am

#701 - VX, I wasn't thinking of getting an exe to run on a Mac, I was thinking of translating the exe to Mac format. We have both and I seem to recall daughter or one of her friends doing something of the sort with something similar a while back.

717 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:41:38am

vxbush:

especially if they are, in essence, advertising it by allowing news releases.

On that part at least I see the logic... Cheyenned Mountain is located right near a pretty large city (Colorado Springs), people would notice if there was no more daily traffic to/from it; it's not like they could realistically keep this a secret. Plus, you know, we're supposed to have, mostly, deomcratic transparency about where our military budget is going.

718 mpax  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:42:21am

Can anyone direct me to any good English language blogs from Spain? Thanks.

719 m  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:43:01am

Ward~ thanks! When I clicked on it the first time, the whole page didn't load. It stopped at the advertisement. I went back after your comment and there's a LOT more on there that I had missed.

That, along with the emergence of varied terrorist threats such as suicide bombers, “is what recommends to us that we don’t need to maintain Cheyenne Mountain in a 24/7 status. We can put it on ‘warm standby,”’ Keating told the newspaper.

Warm standby? Are they freaking kidding?

720 Peter Verkooijen  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:43:03am

Meanwhile in Somalia:

... Also Friday, Islamic fighters closed roads around the capital's airport and chased away onlookers while a plane was unloaded. A similar aircraft delivered goods Wednesday, and officials from the government accused Eritrea of sending arms to the militants on that flight. ...
721 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:43:27am

#692 realwest:

#666 Golden Jerusalem - He GJ! Congrats on hitting the magic number! LOL!
But, speaking of the Stones, think about this: how many groups do you know of that you really like 30 or so of their songs?
Yes, they've had their dumb periods and yes they aren't now what they used to be, but I have a 4 CD compliation of their "greatest hits" - must be close to 55 or 60 tunes and all but one or two of 'em get me rockin' as soon as I hear the opening bars.
If I had my way, when you opened the proverbial dictionary of enclyclopedia to "Rock and Roll" there'd be a photo of the Stones right there!

Hey bud.

Yea, I totally agree with what you say.

I saw the Stones live quite a few years ago, back when they were in their mid-50's, I guess...

They KICKED ASSSsssSSSsss!

722 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:43:56am
723 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:44:21am

I'd like to see a Hannity or a Limbaugh spotlight this stupid NORAD move. Taking the command center from a nearly invulnerable place and sticking it where any Jihadi in a truck bomb can take it down.

724 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:44:37am
725 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:45:25am

#704 redstateredneck

Like that yankee Terry Bradshaw.

What town is Shep from? I know he went to Ole Miss.

I emailed him once when he mispronounced (butchered) a name on his program (wish I could remember what it was now), and got a funny reply back.

726 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:45:27am

#690 BabbaZee:

LOLOL!

DIO ROCKS!

727 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:45:48am

Nevermind what the North Koreans must think of this move...

728 mglazer  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:45:51am

#720 Peter Verkooijen


rastas against jihadists

somalia is islamists

ethiopia is christian rastafarian

who will win

729 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:46:02am

Thus spaketh the Prophet TFK!

let those who have ears hear him.

730 Manker  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:46:05am

I always smile when I read updates like this

IDF kills Hizbullah commander behind long-range missile smuggling

The IDF struck Thursday night a vehicle carrying Nur Shalhub, a Hizbullah senior commander responsible for the smuggling of strategic weapons, including long-range missiles, in the organization.

The strike took place while the car was moving in the Bekaa region , loaded with smuggled missiles. Shalhub and several other terrorists were killed in the attack.

731 Sean II  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:47:09am

Blair starting to waver under pressure from his government:

Blair to seek U.S. support on ending Mideast crisis

732 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:47:11am

Probably it all comes down to some four star general wanting an office with a view and have Starbucks in walking distance.

733 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:47:33am

ibmkeyboard- I am a very interested in the civil war; I am a yank but I am a yank who deeply admires the courage and military abilities of Jackson, Lee and Forrest.

psyops- if the enemy ever tries human wave attacks then they must be stopped but against the IDF, a couple of bombs would end it.

WARREN CHRISTOPHER!

What a WIMP!

He couldn't even get a meeting with Assad

He shuttled to Damasucs 25 times and got borscht! Bush used the Hariri assassination and pushed the Syrian occupation out of Lebanon in a few months.

734 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:47:50am

GJ, um, ja, alles is goed! LOL.

735 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:47:56am
Adm. Tim Keating, who commands both NORAD and the U.S. Northern Command, said the government’s best intelligence “leads us to believe a missile attack from China or Russia is very unlikely.”

The whole time I was in, I used to take offense at that 'military intelligence - an oxymoron' thing... but jeeze...
Anybody here think a missile attack from China or Russia is very unlikely?

736 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:48:30am

The Joint Chiefs of Staff...

Joint venture...

My knee joint is a bit messed up...

/Common denominator?

:D :D :D

737 Geepers  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:48:33am

zulubaby (#699),

Don't know about litigation at this point.

It's almost like terrorism, isn't it?

Well it's very much the same approach.

Act all tough making threats and taunts. Then when you get a response run like a little girl crying about the bullies.

738 nonic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:48:39am

Say, offhand, does anyone know the figure of speech or story of the mountain coming to mohamed or vice versa -- how that goes? where does it come from? what does it mean?

(I have a feeling that if I try to search "mountain" and "mohamed" I'd get a gazillion useless hits.)

739 jehu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:49:19am

PK

Sometimes don't you feel like we are putting Custer in charge? Just when 2 million Jihadists are breaking camp just over the hill?

740 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:49:28am

Maybe it's unlikely because NORAD used to be hard to destroy. In other words: you just made it more likely.

741 American Soldier  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:50:48am

Yesterday M. Bensson-Levi responded to me with this post:http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=2179 8#c0232
Toda raba, achi. "Ain't nothin' funny when a soldier cries"

A good Shabbos to all; may Israel have a peaceful one.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

742 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:50:57am

Manker,

IDF kills Hizbullah commander behind long-range missile smuggling

Brilliant news.

743 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:51:06am

Golden

I much prefer Halford to Dio:



BTW I was there for this that's the US festival, 1983


BTW
in these days, when I would tell everyone Halford was gay, people would practically kick my ass, hahahahahahaha!


I think watching that gave me a flashback, be back in a bit,
LOLOLOLOLOL!

744 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:51:29am

Jehu
Yes, you take half the men and reconnoiter that valley. No, you don't need to bring the gattling gun. Intelligence feels an Indian attack is unlikely.

745 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:51:33am

674 mad scientists

I'd say that Lieberman made that decision when he supported the war... one that is costing him dearly.

I agree though. most of the time spent trying to get into the 'good ol boy network' so they can get all those gifts and power, then a year of trying to score votes from the Undecided camp (as the Decideds aren't going to change their mind), then back to the good ol boy network once they're reelected.

someone new comes along and it is determined that they aren't 'electable' because they dont have the right look, or they haven't raised enough money (I get upset when the news talks about "Candidate X has raised 10 million dollars for his campaign, but Candidate Y has only raised 3 million dollars for their campaign, so they're going to have a hard go at it if they want to win." without one mention of whether or not either person has any political views whatsoever.

but, the press latches on to two names, one on either side an all the lemmings march out and vote for the one from their side.

stances and views don't matter nearly as much as the D or R behind the name.

which is sad, because I like America. . . .

but..i'm just a bitter young man.

746 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:52:33am

Manker
Our Lord loves irony.

747 jehu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:53:41am

PK

Yeah...we need Patton right now, instead we get Montgommery and other assorted Peacocks.

748 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:53:54am

712 nonic
Do any of these actors actually have brains?

NO! lol

749 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:54:17am

#742 BabbaZee:

I think watching that gave me a flashback, be back in a bit,
LOLOLOLOLOL!

Lolzooor!

750 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:54:48am
751 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:55:02am

American Soldier (#741)

Amazing, thanks for linking to M. Bensson-Levi's post -- crying from it.

Shabbat Shalom to you.

752 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:55:32am
Hizbullah launches five Iranian-made missiles at Afula
After a number of Katyusha barrages hit northern Israel over the course of the morning, five Iranian-made Fajr-5 missiles landed in and around Afula shortly after 3:30 p.m. Friday. This was the first time missiles of this type have been fired at Israel by Hizbullah.

Fajr-5 missiles are reported to have a range of some 50 km. and an explosives head of 50 kg.

No one was wounded in the attack, and the Home Front Command instructed residents of the city to remain indoors. The attack caused a fire, and a helicopter was scrambled to help firefighters contain the blaze.

Shortly after the attack, IAF jets destroyed the launcher that fired on Afula

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[Link: www.jpost.com...]

753 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:55:37am
thus when its all one, the borders are not needed

NORAD was aimed at protecting us from Mexico? Who knew?

754 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:55:37am

Bin Laden's "Brothers"
The conventional wisdom is that Hezbollah and al Qaeda are rivals, not partners. The conventional wisdom is wrong.

...AL ADEL HAS BEEN IMPLICATED in some of al Qaeda's most spectacular attacks, including the 1998 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania (which, incidentally, used truck bombs similar to those employed by Hezbollah to destroy "big buildings") and the September 11 attacks. Al Adel is thought to have trained several of the hijackers.

Al Adel's early relationship with Tehran's terror proxy may help explain why he was able to find safehaven in Iran shortly after the invasion of Afghanistan. The Iranian government claims to have "detained" him, along with dozens of other senior al Qaeda leaders--including bin Laden's son Saad.

But this "detention" has not stopped al Adel, who has become one of al Qaeda's senior operations leaders, from ordering up attacks. Al Adel played a key role in orchestrating al Qaeda's May 2003 suicide attacks on three Western housing complexes in Riyadh from Iranian soil.

The testimony provided by Ali Mohamed and Jamal al Fadl was corroborated by the 9/11 Commission. The Commission's final report confirms that al Qaeda operatives received training from Hezbollah in Lebanon in addition to other training provided in Iran. The Commission also left open the possibility that al Qaeda and Hezbollah worked together on the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing.

Remarkably, the Commission even left the door open for further investigation into the September 11 attacks. It cited evidence that senior Hezbollah operatives monitored the travels of eight to ten of the "muscle" hijackers prior to the attack. Such provocative threads of evidence led the Commission to report, "We believe this topic requires further investigation by the U.S. government."

Some analysts will continue to dismiss Zawahiri's remarks because they do not conform to the prevailing model for understanding terrorism. But the truth is that there is a long history of collaboration between al Qaeda and Hezbollah.

755 MTNester  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:55:40am

#738 Nonic

Here's one explanation for the Mountain and Mohammed saying.

756 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:55:46am

Gah!
Bureaucrat speak:

“The largest change will affect the former Southeast sector,” Mr. Scott said. “By transferring former Southeast sector personnel into the air operations center, we are able to provide needed manpower to the warfighting headquarters without presenting Air Combat Command a major manpower bill.”

The new warfighting headquarters will not be officially and formally designated until early 2006, but 1st Air Force is prepared and ready.

“Thanks to the commander’s vision and everyone’s support and hard work over the last few years, 1st Air Force is in position to implement this AFNORTH (1AF) transformation without interrupting ongoing operations and missions,” Mr. Scott said. “We have been involved in the warfighting headquarters concept from the very beginning, and we are ready."

757 jehu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:58:37am

PK

WTF did they say? Something about warfighting and shopping for new spike heels, is what I think I heard.

758 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:58:41am

taxfreekiller (#688)

I can't find anything on Hugh's site about that. Do you have any other info on it?

759 MTNester  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:59:01am

Good Morning, everyone! I missed where the link to the NORAD story is...could someone please direct me?

760 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:59:51am

This is reassuring:

“Whatever the attack is, it’s not going to be a disarming first strike,” he said, adding that Cheyenne Mountain “was created to solve a problem that mercifully we no longer have.”

No need to worry.

761 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:00:07am

nonic

It's"mohamet," and it's a proverb. I'm not sure of the origin, but it's basically making fun of Mohammed's so-called power.

762 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:00:47am

Morning all

763 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:00:50am

#681 republic


#663 Mandy Manners

While we know that hell-raisers were responsible for the decision, I guarantee you that the Arabs and MSM will blame the Israelis. Heck, I heard it myself on CNN this morning.

The only important thing, is that we continue to speak loudly, to, that what comes from 95% of the left, the msm, and islamofascists mouths, are lies, spin, deception, and distortion.

I firmly believe that it DOES make a positive difference.

Our version of "speaking truth to power"?

764 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:01:06am
On Sept. 11, there were more than 50 people training inside the battle management warning center during a NORAD exercise. Shortly after the second airliner smashed into World Trade Center Tower No. 1, the exercise ceased. The mountain’s massive blast doors closed as a protective measure for the first time in more than 20 years, and the inner space watch began.

(link)

So it seems those giant blast doors DID look like a good idea in the face of coordinated terrorist attacks.

765 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:01:30am

Oh man, this'll be one helluva night...

I can tell :P

Laying some good ground work + METALLICA on the ray-dee-oh!

766 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:02:47am

sorry, nonic: it goes, "If the mountain will not come to Mohamet, Mohamet must go to the mountain."

767 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:02:52am


We see the light of those who find
A world has passed them by
To late to save a dream that's growing cold
We realize that fate must hide its face
From those who try
To see the distant signs of unforetold
Oh... oh, take hold
From a haze came a rage of thunder
Distant signs of darkness on the way
Fading cries scream of pain and hunger
But in the night the light will guide your way
So take hold of the flame
Don't you see life's a game
So take hold of the flame
You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain
Ride, to a place beyond our time
Reach, for the edges of your mind, and you are there
See, that the light will find its way
Back to a place where it will stay, make it stay
Throw down the chains of oppression that bind you
With the air of freedom the flame grows bright
We are the strong, the youth united
We are one, we are children of the light
So take hold of the flame
Don't you see life's a game
So take hold of the flame
You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain

768 WriterMom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:03:08am

IAF strike kills senior Hizbullah official

769 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:03:32am
770 jehu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:04:16am

PK

In other news:

Admiral Cabsolutelynothing proclaimed the de-commisioning of our aircraft carriers, "seeing no other nation has them, nor carrier based arcraft of our quality. Instead we will build new battleships with 24 inch guns."

771 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:05:27am
#681 republic 7/28/2006 07:31AM PDT
#663 Mandy Manners

While we know that hell-raisers were responsible for the decision, I guarantee you that the Arabs and MSM will blame the Israelis. Heck, I heard it myself on CNN this morning.

The only important thing, is that we continue to speak loudly, to, that what comes from 95% of the left, the msm, and islamofascists mouths, are lies, spin, deception, and distortion.

I firmly believe that it DOES make a positive difference.

Our own version of "speaking truth to power"? :-)

772 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:05:46am

Let's You and Him Fight
The Syrians cheer on Hezbollah.

...I'm sitting in a Damascus restaurant with Dalia, a 25-year-old television producer who loves the resistance--all resistance. "If you think that the U.S. or anyone can offer the Syrian government a deal to abandon its support for Nasrallah and Khaled Meshal, you are crazy, because all Syrians support the resistance. They are fighting Israel."

Dalia seems surprised or embarrassed when I point out that at least two-thirds of Lebanon do not like the resistance at all right now and are furious with Nasrallah for bringing destruction to their country. Why, I ask her, are Syrians cheering on a fight that so many Lebanese never wanted? She changes the subject. "Today I went to the camps where Lebanese refugees are arriving, and I was proud that even wealthy Syrians have been going down to help." In other words, Lebanese suffering is an opportunity for Syrian munificence.

In the year and a half since the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri and the withdrawal of Syrian troops from their country, the Lebanese political class and ordinary citizens alike have pointedly ignored their country's problems, including corruption and likely complicity in Syria's plot to kill Hariri. They lay blame for everything at the feet of their next-door neighbors. There are many Lebanese who hate not just Bashar Assad's regime, but ordinary Syrians as well.

And here in Damascus on a Thursday night, where young Syrians are packed together in their expensive cars, flying their yellow Hezbollah flags, blasting resistance music, and shouting martial slogans to other passersby who shout back in loud agreement, it is clear that the regime and the people are in perfect sync. Bashar Assad, along with the Islamic Republic of Iran, is one of Hezbollah's masters, and now all of Lebanon is dancing to the tune of "resistance" that the Syrian people require of their neighbors. Let all of Lebanon bleed if it must, someone else is taking on the Jews and we here, proud to live in one of the oldest cities in the world, are safe and happy, as if it were a Syrian national holiday.

But why exactly are Arabs so enamored of resistance? The word in Arabic is muqawama, and as in English the idea indicates reaction, and thus suggests an original grievance that inspired resistance. In the 20th century the Ottoman Empire, then the West, and later Israel, was the
Click to learn more...
Arab world's first cause and prime mover. There was resistance long before Nasrallah and Hamas and all the earlier Palestinian groups, and even before Nasser; in fact, at least as far back as 1928, when Hassan al-Banna founded the Muslim Brotherhood, there was resistance.

And it is not just fighting. It is the touchstone of Arab political discourse with the outside world. (There is no political discourse among Arabs themselves, because it is too dangerous.) Of course, resistance is extremist discourse, and it is insatiable; it is a struggle against something that seems to threaten life itself, and so the only solution is to obliterate the other. Hence, it is very difficult to imagine what comes after resistance. Maybe there is peace when there is no one left who has to be accommodated.

Dalia told me that she had recently met Meshal--the Hamas leader who hides from Israel in Damascus--and she was impressed but saw no way that he could implement his plan to get rid of Israel. Dalia is 100 percent with the program, but prefers Nasrallah, because he seems more pragmatic. It is strange to look in the eyes of an attractive young woman and find her intense with the same bitter calculations that motivate the Meshals and Nasrallahs.

"The Roman empire did not last forever," Dalia said. "There is no reason to believe that Israel will. It should have never existed to begin with, and all Arabs believe that it will be wiped out."...

773 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:06:00am

#762 Dov - morning guy! How's it going today?

774 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:06:04am

710 Goddessoftheclassroom

This new missile that was fired this morning traveled 70 km into Israel... his is apparently a longer-range missile...

I guess The Hiz leadership got the blessing from Iran and Syria to utilize the longer-range weaponry.

This clearly shows that the endgame is not simply driving them back, but wiping them out!

775 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:07:22am

WTF? I posted #753 but I couldn't find it so I posted it again.

776 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:08:01am
777 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:08:32am
778 Dov (In the Astrodome City) Republic of Texas  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:09:01am

# 773 RW

Fine hope all's well up there

779 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:10:26am

#769 tfk:

the North Anmerican Alliance is being born now,

Oh, not this again.

Yes, the USA is going to be dissolved by 2010, but it's a big secret. Sure.

John Birch Society nuttery.

780 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:10:56am

Babs, GJ

I get a chuckle whenever I think of the MTV video for Dio's Rainbow in the Dark, with the nerdy guy cowering in the face of Dio's withering guitar solo. LOL!

781 nonic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:10:57am

#755 MTNester

Thanks.

782 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:11:15am

taxfreekiller, okay, thanks. I'll keep looking for it. If I find it, I'll post a link.

783 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:12:18am
784 mad_scientist  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:12:21am

#745 Lance

Agree on the point you made on the money. It would be almost impossible for one of us here to run (unless we have some multi millionares in our midst), because politics is becoming an elite only sport.

The more money a person has, the more misleading campaign ads can be without rebuttals from the cadidate without any money...which is sad. The founding fathers would wretch...

I to am a bitter young man...but it wasnt always so. The constant barrage of negativity from the MSM, and the left, over the years has made me that way. Just get so sick of the same BS from them all the time...just never seems to change.

785 6:18  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:13:09am

We're going to the beach today
a happy thing to say
peanut butter, jelly,
coppertone for little bellies

Chubby little toddlers
funny sand wobblers
full of glee
and look at me

Chase the wave
Be ever so brave
watch out!
mini wipe out

Sand castle
sandy face hassle
sleepy fellas
shady umbrellas...

Babies grown
babies of their own
seems like yesterday
we went to the beach today

786 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:13:30am

#745 Lance Kates

I'd say that Lieberman made that decision when he supported the war... one that is costing him dearly.

Hillary supported the war, where is that costing her dearly?

John Kerry supported the war, before he didn't support the war.

Leftists are the biggest hypocrites and, the greatest danger to America, beyond islamofascist terrorism.

787 red meat conservative  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:14:40am

For anyone interested, I am resuming my comprehensive updates of the war at my site. It appears that the Hizbooolies are preparing to go long range.

788 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:14:58am
I guess The Hiz leadership got the blessing from Iran and Syria to utilize the longer-range weaponry.

This clearly shows that the endgame is not simply driving them back, but wiping them out!

And why not escalate the situation? The Israelis have already stated that there will be no reprisals against Syria or Iran.

With that threat taken off the table what has Syria got to lose?

789 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:17:56am

#774 tfc3rid

710 Goddessoftheclassroom

This new missile that was fired this morning traveled 70 km into Israel... his is apparently a longer-range missile...

I guess The Hiz leadership got the blessing from Iran and Syria to utilize the longer-range weaponry.

This clearly shows that the endgame is not simply driving them back, but wiping them out!

FOX News said the latest large missile fired from Hellsbollah, carried a 100+kg warhead.

790 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:18:02am

786 republic

Hillary get boo'd when she goes to speak by a hardcore group of Lefties.

However, as a Clinton, she is partially divine in the eyes of most lefties.

and John Kerry went back to not supporting the war when he saw that those who would vote for him were against it.

I disagree with one part though, I think that liberalism is worse for america than the terrorists.

The terrorists can attack, which galvanizes us (see 9/12/2001)

however, like the slippery serpent, the left whispers sweet lies that kill us slowly.

791 nonic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:18:35am

755 MTNester
761 & 766 Goddess

Thanks.

792 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:19:23am
hyperpuissance

Yet another overused non-word that I hate...
LOL!

puissance is a word
(albiet one I dislike, must be the French root...)

hyper is a word

but they are not a new word merely by virtue of smashing them together at every opportunity...


that
be
unword

793 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:19:39am

Back on topic:

Charles, looking at that gear indicator, it only shows five positions. Is that true?

794 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:20:38am

TKF

Three ways to get slammed at LGF by otherwise sound or enjoyable posters;

1) Make a valid textual/Constitutional criticism of President Bushs' policies and statements.

2) Make a valid textual criticism of Popes'/Vaticans' policies and statements (NOT Church Doctrine, Political).

3) Make a philosophical argument from teachings in the TENACH/Bible instead of ANY other writings.

.

795 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:20:48am

6:18
bad segway, good poem.

796 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:21:11am
The new face of the hyperpuissance is a kinder, gentler more sissified one...

Right, sure it is.

797 WriterMom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:22:02am

#609 goddessoftheclassroom

{sigh} The beauty of the Judeo-Christian tradition versus the Koran. So plain to see...

OT: Did anyone else read about Wonkette? She's going to be the new on-line editor for Time magazine's web site...I'll see if I can find a linky.

If I don't barf all over my 'puter.

798 red meat conservative  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:22:36am

republic

Those Fajir 5's have a 130 km range. I'm wondering if they were aiming for a place farther than Afulah.

799 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:23:19am
800 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:23:25am

Charles must be sleeping in...

801 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:23:46am

OR,

Yes, the USA is going to be dissolved by 2010, but it's a big secret. Sure.

Well it was a big secret until you decided to open your big mouth about it. Now Karl Rove is going to have to bump you off. Probably via a plane crash or hunting accident, but you never know. Perhaps he'll ensare with a beautiful Brazillian assassin. Karl's very fond of the "honey pot".

In any event it was nice knowing you.

802 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:24:31am
803 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:24:44am
AI
forget the Fuenchies name that first used it, but he was some political diplomat...

...exactly why I hate the word.

[Link: www.mtholyoke.edu...]

804 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:25:07am

#771 Mandy Manners

#681 republic 7/28/2006 07:31AM PDT
#663 Mandy Manners

While we know that hell-raisers were responsible for the decision, I guarantee you that the Arabs and MSM will blame the Israelis. Heck, I heard it myself on CNN this morning.

The only important thing, is that we continue to speak loudly, to, that what comes from 95% of the left, the msm, and islamofascists mouths, are lies, spin, deception, and distortion.

I firmly believe that it DOES make a positive difference.


Our own version of "speaking truth to power"? :-)

Not "our own version", but the real truth.

Their version, is pure deception, spin, and nothing but political posturing, and the facts back that up.

They can't back any of their rhetoric up with facts, because there are none, from them, just,

"Well, er, um, ghhh, er, um,", add infinitum.

805 WriterMom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:25:09am

#801 Dirk Diggler

You idiot-now he'll have advance warning. Now YOU'RE the one who is gonna be in big trouble with Kommander Karl. We're gonna have to adjust your BIG FAT BRAINWAVES.

806 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:25:14am
I forget the Fuenchies name that first used it

Húbert Védrine.

807 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:26:19am

*cheers*

so I go into the breakroom and there are donuts in there.

the boss always gets a bunch of donuts (mostly the krispie kream types, but also some cream filled donuts and cake donuts)...

in there is my FAVORITE... chocolate frosted with vanilla puding filling.

I. . . resisted!

yay for willpower!

808 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:27:02am

I think it's time we jumped on Charles' bed.

809 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:27:05am

Khaibar-1

Named after the town/battle where all the Jews were murdered or enslaved.

Any body have a news link for this?

810 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:27:10am

Have the members in standing here watched the documentary Obsession. One of you posted the link the other day. Thank you and I watched the entire 75 minutes.

That movie is chilling. Not because of radical Islam. But because of the incredible child abuse. If you haven't seen it, you need to. They interview 3 year old children spouting about death to Israel; death to America.

God forgive me for saying this, but we are going to have to destroy their children as well. These people are truly pure evil.

811 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:27:30am

#801 Dirk:

Perhaps he'll ensare with a beautiful Brazillian assassin.

"Au contraire, garotas... it is you who can't resist me."

812 WriterMom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:27:39am

Here it is: Wonkette Going To MSM

813 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:28:27am

#802 American Infidel

FRONTPAGEMAG.COM has an interesting diagram showing exactly how little of Beirut has been bombed...

It is a MUST SEE:

The Truth will prevail!

The leftist msm lying bastards will fail!

814 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:28:40am

#799 American Infidel

You've inspired a thought: whatever other faults we Americans have, it's not envy of other countries.

If we see something we like, we copy it first then adapt it to us. We don't have to steal it or stop it where it is.

I guess it's because we have the opportunities to work for what we want. If I wanted to be a millionaire, I could choose to take the risks to achieve that. Nothing other than my own (lack of) talent and determination matters.

Whatever ceilings we placed on people decades ago have been smashed (yes, there are pockets of prejudice but not legally-backed, institutional bias).

Other countries hate us not because of anything we've done, but for what we are.

I'm not changing to make friends.

815 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:28:51am

#812 WriterMom
Good for TIME.
They deserve her.

816 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:29:11am

#808 zulubaby 7/28/2006 08:27AM PDT
I think it's time we jumped on Charles' bed.

[Link: www.geocities.com...]

[boink
boink
boink]

817 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:29:51am

"... Cheyenne Mountain 'was created to solve a problem that mercifully we no longer have' ..."

This news is profoundly disturbing.

The way things are going, we are really gonna need that Stargate ...

818 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:30:03am

WriterMama (fancy seeing you here!)

Wonkette Going To MSM

I guess the MSM is even more depraved than I thought.

819 WriterMom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:30:08am

#808 zulubaby

Heh...what kind of pyjammies do you think he wears?

Still waiting for someone to make Lizard Loungewear.

820 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:30:16am

Hubert Védrine.

In a way, I admire him; he was very up-front about declaring that he thought the US was France's greatest threat/rival/enemy/whatever. So, points for honesty.

821 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:30:27am

#788

The Syrians and Iranians see that they can continue to take advantage of the political situation and half measures by Israel to Israel's detriment.

While Israel needs to deal with the Lebanon/Israel border, they really need to focus on the Syria/Lebanon border, and I haven't really seen too much in that area, but for mention of strikes against the Bekaa Valley yesterday.

822 BenZacharia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:31:56am

NT

823 WriterMom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:32:35am

LOL.

Charles must have been worried that we would start a pillow fight and got out of bed...

824 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:32:39am
Good for TIME.
They deserve her.

LOLOL!

825 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:33:24am

Ward Cleaver

What town is Shep from?


Sorry for the delay - Shep is from Holly Springs (up near Memphis).

826 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:34:34am

817 RedPepper

ok, but I get to be Richard Dean Anderson's character, or I'm talking my ball and going home.

*grin*

827 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:35:31am

#798 red meat conservative

Those Fajir 5's have a 130 km range. I'm wondering if they were aiming for a place farther than Afulah.

If they do reach further, Israel will also probably reach further.

I'm starting to think that Iran is going to see what it takes to draw American military into this thing.

Iran is playing intelligence games right now, at the expense of Israel, and America, they are "experimenting" with their logistics, weapons, etc, while they build their own nuclear capability.

August 22(the day of the kook prophet of Satan) is fast approaching for Amhadinnerjacket.

828 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:36:18am
829 WriterMom  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:37:34am

#815 J.D

Yes-you're right. They really do.

830 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:37:53am

Good morning to all my good LGF friends.
Our weather has changed from HOT to a chance of rain? Washington state, what can I say.

Realwest, ready for your big move day (-:

PS. I hate working on Fridays.

831 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:38:26am

In any event, it worked, 'cos Charles is up.

832 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:38:56am
833 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:42:19am

#828 AI,

No, I didn't get to watch Hannity and Bones. Would have liked to have seen that segment.

I actually came away (for once) literally feeling sorry for many of their sheep. Most of these people must live in fear for their life every day they step out of bed. What kind of existence could that be?

You're right that sooner or later, if these people really do want peace no matter how confused they are, then they are going to have to take matters in their own hands or be destroyed.

And I don't hold much hope that they know how to accomplish that.

834 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:42:48am

#790 Lance Kates

I disagree with one part though, I think that liberalism is worse for america than the terrorists.

The terrorists can attack, which galvanizes us (see 9/12/2001)

however, like the slippery serpent, the left whispers sweet lies that kill us slowly.

I stated that leftism is more danderous to America, "beyond" islamofascim, meaning they go beyond the danger we face from islamofascism.

9/11 "galvanized" the USA for about 3 days.

The left was never REALLY galvanized by 9/11, most were spouting conspirocy theory from the first or second or third day.

Al-quada did exactly what it intended to do on 9/11, besides killing Americans, which was to divide the USA.

Also, the left is quite brazen in what they want to do to destroy America, they explain it in easily recognizable words, every day, and the msm broadcasts it for them, free of charge.

They tell their lies right out in the open, for all to hear.

835 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:44:09am
836 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:46:31am

#832 American Infidel

Yes, but will the truth be out for all to see in time?!?

My friend, the Truth has been available for not only all to see, but for all to accept, for a long, long time, and that will never change.

The Truth will never change, just the numbers of people who accept it.

:)

837 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:48:35am

834 republic

correct, the left is always the left.

however, Charles included, there were people who saw what happened, heard what the Left said, and decided to distance themselves from it.

However, when the shock of 9/11 wore off, the next day saw the galvanization of "Americans"

many of whom moved to the Right as the Left would not deal with the issue, but saw fit to point fingers.

838 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:52:31am

RedPepper
Cute nic.
:D

839 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:57:33am
840 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:59:10am
841 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:07:59am

#840 American Infidel

Yes, you are correct but there are people working hard to obfuscate that truth and I think they are succeeding...

There certainly is a very real, evil deception moving throughout the world right now, as "it is written".

We, simply keep doing what we know to be Right.

842 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:09:46am

A belated good morning Lizards

#656 Babba

Angie

Written in Am

Chord progression if Am, E7, G, F, E7, Am

To sound authentic to the record, or any other Stones tune for that matter, you have to take the bass string off (the thickest string) the guitar, cause Richard never plays with it on.

843 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:14:40am

706 Ward Cleaver. What? Just when we see the support Russia and China send to our enemies, suddenly some genius senior brass declares they aren't a threat? sigh...

844 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:22:53am

632 PK. Is Adm Keating a Clinton holdover, or just one of those government workers who thinks nothing is good enough until his department gets a new office building?

Peterson is a crowded base from what I remember. And Norad is much farther from large scale residential development. The whole area around Peterson is booming. Dumb, dumb, dumb idea.

845 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:23:28am

bye bye all

846 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:24:49am
847 Golden Jerusalem  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:32:08am

#846 AI:

Check your e-mail. I'm sure it's nothing that will shock ya :P

Other than that, at least disco sort of released people's hips, you know.

Credit where credit's due.

848 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:35:55am
849 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:01:17am
850 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:24:55am

wow... what gives here?

Echo!

echo..

cho...

ho...

o...

...

851 m  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:27:22am

Hiya Lance! Sorry, work is kicking my butt today.

(always a good thing)

852 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:27:24am

wow... what gives here?

Echo!

echo..

cho...

ho...

o...

...

853 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:29:11am

Work is putting me to sleep today.

854 W-lover  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:30:27am

Drive by 4 year old joke-

Q: What's brown and is sticky?

A: A stick!

/told by actual 4 year old

855 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:31:18am

hey m


hey redstate

friday and payday... if not for this odd headache i have, life woudl be grand (it is strange... feels like my eyes are quivering)

856 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:33:31am
/told by actual 4 year old


I believe it!
They are funny when they first learn about jokes, but don't really understand what a joke is (like it's supposed to be funny to other people; not just them).

BTW, Hiya {Dubs}!

857 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:38:01am
don't really understand what a joke is (like it's supposed to be funny to other people; not just them)


Come to think of it, there are a lot of adults like that!

858 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:51:22am

*peeks carefully around the corner*

Is it safe to come out now? Are all the geniuses upstairs fixing the problems of the world?

859 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:56:28am

858 3 wood

leaving us children here to make mud pies.

860 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:01:37am

Lance

Good, I can barely figure out how to tie my shoes most days anyway. I'll leave the world problems to the resident Mensa Society members.

So how is the Geography PHD in your office doing today? You know, the one who did nnot know where Minnesota is?

861 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:04:01am

860 3 wood

heh. same as ever. one day I hope to be as enlightened as they are.

and one day I hope to be able to be so stylistic in their grammar.

the creative conjugations and such... clearly the cream of the crop.

862 Catttt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:04:21am
153 Dirk Diggler 7/27/2006 11:03PM PDT
Catt,

www.fellatio.com? (Don't click on that!)

Too late. How exactly did you come across that link anyway?

I made it up. :)

I have a manager where I work who can't resist dispensing sexual advice to her female subordinates. She loves oral sex from what I can gather.

Women will be women and they'll talk about some kinky, X-rated topics. But that kind of fraternization between

Good heavens! I can understand "informed consent" to discuss that sort of thing in private (share techniques, etc.). But at work? No. No. No. She could be reported for sexual harrassment.

863 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:04:57am

how're things with you and the ever greatful municipalities and fellow professors?

864 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:06:53am

Apropos of nothing, I noticed that in Illinois there are indications that the consumption of gasoline is dropping a bit. The collection of Motor Fuel Taxes was down for May and June for the State of Illinois. Since the tax is so much per gallon, that would indicate that consumption is down a bit. It would seem, if that holds true, that the elasticity of gasoline demand rises and is sensitive to prices at or about $3 a gallon, as I have long suspected. Have you heard about any such thing in Oklahoma?

865 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:08:32am

862 Cattt

"She could be reported for sexual harrassment."

Reported, yes, but not likely ever prosecuted.

such prosecution is reserved for ugly men who compliment pretty women on how they look.
(According to the sexual harrassment videos i've had to watch)

866 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:10:04am

#862 Catt

That is a no-doubt-about-it hostile environment sexula harrassment case.

867 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:11:13am

864 3 wood

nothing that concrete. the big stink here not too long ago was that the lotto and the cig taxes weren't giving the education people as much money as they want, so they are 'looking into other possibilities'

they recently tried to up the gas tax to fix bridges and roads (since the Dems that used to run the state congress let education 'take' from the roads and bridges fund without having to return)

I do know that one of the north west sttes, oregon or Washington (I think washington) is flirting with the idea of a 'per mile' tax instead of 'per gallon' saying that (I kid you not) People are buying fuel efficient cars and are therefore not paying their 'fair share' of the taxes.

868 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:12:53am

#863 Lance

Oh, about the same. Most are off work today jamming in vacation days. Setting up my fall classes. Calculating final grades for the summer session...you know...oppressing people.

869 Catttt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:18:11am

865 LanceKates
866 3 wood

I'm no blushing flower, and I am known for saying shocking things. Even I would never bring up fellatio as a conversation topic with any of my co-workers - even during breaks. Even though it might be educational, in a way. Even so.

I know how the manager might feel, though. She might just want to share techniques - it's annoying that many women don't know what the hell they're doing. ;) But if so, she should offer a Fellatio 101 continuing education class via City Paper.

870 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:18:47am

Lance

flirting with the idea of a 'per mile' tax instead of 'per gallon'


The trucking industry has been taxed like that for years to ensure that each state gets the tax due them based on the miles driven in that state. On the tax return, you figure total miles driven in that state X mpg and then if you didn't purchase enough fuel in that state to cover your usage, you owe them the tax. Used to be a real pain in the ass, as you had to do a separate tax return for each state, but about 7 or 8 years ago, IFTA was founded and now you just file one return in your home state where you show your miles and use in each state and the state doles the money out to each state instead.

871 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:19:03am

868 3 wood

not a proper lefty at all... you're supposed to fill the class with your communistic worldview, failing anyone who ever disagrees with you in any way, and giving extra credit the the 'well endowed' girl who sits in the front row with the low-cut blouse and keeps 'dropping her pen'

that girl, by the way, is also supposed to become your TA because she loves your mind and will parrot anything you say because her boobs are bigger than her brain, but are just about as smart.

you'd better be careful... if you don't shape up and do what I suggest here, someone may accidently think you're a conservative...

872 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:21:01am

870 Redstate

the government can't move an inch to try to secure our borders, but they'll sure mobilize in a heartbeat to make sure they get all the tax money they want owed to them.

873 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:35:32am

*reaches for more advil*

874 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:39:25am
That is a no-doubt-about-it hostile environment sexula harrassment case.

Maybe it is, but it shouldn't be. Gah. Don't get me started on the thoughtcrime bullshit that is "hostile environment" litigation.

875 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:39:50am

Lance
I'm sorry you have a headache - staring at a computer screen probably isn't helping it.

876 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:40:42am

#876 Lance

I do know that one of the north west sttes, oregon or Washington (I think washington) is flirting with the idea of a 'per mile' tax instead of 'per gallon' saying that (I kid you not) People are buying fuel efficient cars and are therefore not paying their 'fair share' of the taxes.

Yeah, I'ver heard that one too and I'm not surprised. Politicians can come up with the dangdest reasons to get their hands on some money to play Santa Claus with. They forget, it isn't their money.

877 USMC RECON  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:42:15am

3 wood,
I am amazed at the doom and gloom professed by the people on here who always attribute superior knowledge and intellegence to our enemies. This from people who have little or no experience in the real world.
I refrain from speaking to these people on these subjects because I wouldn't be able to control myself when dealing with their cowardice and constant lack of confidence in our country.

878 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:48:45am

#869 Cattt

I know how the manager might feel, though. She might just want to share techniques - it's annoying that many women don't know what the hell they're doing. ;) But if so, she should offer a Fellatio 101 continuing education class via City Paper.

I ran a self-insurance risk pool out of my office for several years for about 23 different member entities for a few years. I settled a lot of cases like this and so have some experience on the topic. Any such conversations need to be held off the job, on their own time, and preferably not at all.

879 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:49:46am

Okay, here are some of the people you can still go see in movies:

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NewsMax’s “Hollywood Heroes” reveals America’s true role models, including:


Mel Gibson – what really happened to this megastar when he dared to produce “The Passion of the Christ.”

Tom Selleck – why he has not been afraid of standing up for Ronald Reagan, even when it wasn’t in vogue.

James Woods – he turned his back on Hollywood’s peaceniks to stand up for the war on terror.

Patricia Heaton – a crusader for family values, this actress would not give up her values for her career.
There are many more stars NewsMax salutes.

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They include: Andy Garcia, Gary Sinise, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Chuck Norris, LL Cool J, Freddie Prinze Jr. and Sarah Michelle Gellar, Dennis Miller, Denzel Washington, Robert Duvall, Catherine Bell, Danny Aiello, James Earl Jones, Ron Silver, Kelsey Grammer, Morgan Brittany, Ben Stein, Pat Boone, Kathy Ireland, Rick Schroeder and Bo Derek.


Ooh, I'm glad to see Robert Duvall on this list!

880 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:49:50am

875 redstate

eh, most of my typing of posts is done with my eyes closed (which is why I don't catch all my typos).

but yeah, it'd be nice to be in a nice dark quiet room.

but, I gotta pay the bills..

*grin*

its ok. it isn't anything like vxbush has to deal with, so I am thankful.

881 fraxinus americana  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:53:15am

Hello DDT
One hell of a day here. Hot Humid 80o and the kids arn't making it any easier. 'sposed to rain just wish it would and get it over w/.

BTW A hostile work environment is having money taken from your pay check and giving to somebody else who didn't earn it. A hostile shopping environment is paying extra money for a product and giving that money to someone who had nothing to do w/ producing that product.

882 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:56:46am

876 3 wood

I just get a kick out of it... they raise taxes left and right on gas until it is UBER high... then have the testicular fortitude to say that people who buy fuel efficient cars (in order to have to pay less of their budget on gasoline) aren't paying a 'fair share'

they're paying the same amount of money per gallon that everyone else is (too much), but the government there is so liberal that even though they frown upon people having fuel inefficient cars, they're going to also go out of their way to now punish people who bought a fuel efficient car by making a special tax.

it isn't just cars... Colorado Springs CO wanted to pass a tax that taxed you because it rains.

they were calling it a "Stormwater tax" the more squarefootage of building, pavement, etc you have, the more of a tax you pay, because it rains.

So, I am going proactive, and am planning on producing an "Air Efficiency" tax plan. Since we make regular exchanges of air, taking oxygen and replacing it with harmful Carbon Dioxide, there should be a tax per breath, to go to fund the EPA and other government environmental programs.

Now, don't get me started on the "hair and skin cell pollution" tax based on the average body's shedding of skin and hair cells that can be carried by the human body and litter the landscape.

883 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:00:37am

{frax}
Hot here, too.
91 ~ Heat index 107.
But I'm not toting around hot sticky younguns!

/been there, done that
;-)

884 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:03:00am

#871 Lance

the 'well endowed' girl who sits in the front row with the low-cut blouse and keeps 'dropping her pen'

I get that from time to time, and then they come up at break of the first class and ask if there is any extra credit work (wink, wink) they can do to guarantee an A. I always tell them no, and if they are trying to get through life on their back they need to pursue a different profession. It's sickening. These girls are younger than my own daughters.

#877 Recon

I am amazed at the doom and gloom professed by the people on here who always attribute superior knowledge and intellegence to our enemies. This from people who have little or no experience in the real world.

I see our military kicking tail overseas. I see a strong President (though not perfect) in the White House. I have utmost confidence in our military. I see the IDF kicking tail and taking names now in their part of the world as well. The economy is doing well, record low unemployment, relatively low interest rates. And yet to read some of the stuff here, the world is ending tomorrow. I just shake my head. That's why I pretty much have just scaled back to the dead thread most days recently and try to stay out of it.

An old debate teacher told me one time, when someone else is willing to speak like a fool in public, let them.

885 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:06:07am

884 3 wood

heh. I knew girls in HIGH SCHOOL that attempted such things.

but us men are evil pigs. *smirk*

886 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:06:34am

Lance

eh, most of my typing of posts is done with my eyes closed (which is why I don't catch all my typos).

but yeah, it'd be nice to be in a nice dark quiet room.

Sounds lile a migrane. Do you get those?

887 fraxinus americana  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:07:50am

Now, don't get me started on the "hair and skin cell pollution" tax based on the average body's shedding of skin and hair cells that can be carried by the human body and litter the landscape.

Lance SSSHH Don't give them any ideas.
sorry couldn,t block quote must be too humid kept getting page error. It must be hot my " , " thingy is droopping it looks a comma... ahh here,s the rain. hope no lighting.

888 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:08:24am

886 3 wood
i get headaches like this now and then. I imagine I should go to the doc and see what they say about it.

seems silly to go to the doctor for it though... especially since I pay for health insurance to cover doctor expenses, but when I went to the doctor, I had to pay 100% of it.

889 Widow'smight  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:08:58am

Scarlett,

Ooh, I'm glad to see Robert Duvall on this list!

Do you remember him in "To Kill a Mockingbird"? I think that was his first movie. Did you ever see the movie I mentioned the other day, "Second Hand Lions", velly funny.

No Day Care for Mini-Mom today, it's just her and I manning the controls.

Hope everyone is having a great day!

890 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:10:33am

887 frax

heh. at least it isn't so cold that your , shrinks into a .

891 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:10:41am

#881 fraxinus

BTW A hostile work environment is having money taken from your pay check and giving to somebody else who didn't earn it. A hostile shopping environment is paying extra money for a product and giving that money to someone who had nothing to do w/ producing that product.

But, see...it's not fair that you have some money and others don't (regardless of the fact that you work and they don't).

I take it then that you are not likely to be a proponent of socialism any time soon, then?

892 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:10:54am

frax

my " , " thingy is droopping it looks a comma... ahh here,s the rain. hope no lighting.


With your "," thingy drooping, you're starting to resemble tfk!
:D

893 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:12:53am

Secondhand Lions is a great film...

894 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:13:25am

{Widow's}

Do you remember him in "To Kill a Mockingbird"?


Sure, he played Boo Radley.

895 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:14:57am

Socialism is great! it allows me to sit on my butt and shoot rubberband guns while my neighbor works 16 hours a day!

YAY Socalism!

(actually, knowing the Kates' Luck, I'd be the neighbor working 16 hours a day)

896 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:16:21am

BRB, boys. I'm gonna run to town and buy some tomatoes.

897 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:18:32am

oh, but redstate.. you ARE a tomato!

small and red, juicy and full of seeds... ready to be sliced up and put on a BLT.

*ponders*

that comparison didn't go where I originally intended. . .

stupid cannibalism.

898 fraxinus americana  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:18:48am
heh. at least it isn't so cold that your , shrinks into a .

I don't mind the cold you can always put more clothes on. when it's hot you can only take so many off.

899 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:19:26am

"There was no evidence of a cemetary or burial ground on or near this site."

umm... good. I've seen the movie Poltergeist. . .

900 fraxinus americana  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:20:30am

mmmnnn BACON

901 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:20:43am

#882 lance

it isn't just cars... Colorado Springs CO wanted to pass a tax that taxed you because it rains.

they were calling it a "Stormwater tax" the more squarefootage of building, pavement, etc you have, the more of a tax you pay, because it rains.

That is happening in Illinois now. The EPA is mandating it, some municipalities are complying faster than others. The tax is based on the impervious square footage, and the resulting runoff from rain water that is required now to be treated. I don't think most people realize how many mandates the EPA generates year after year that raise the cost of living for everybody else. And there is no appealing the EPA findings.

I know of a municipality that had an abandonded underground water main they had put in 40 years ago that did not comply with current EPA restrictions. The main was hooked up to nothing on either end, they just put it in while a road was being built in anticipation of future developmet that never happened. Both ends of the main were capped so no water was flowing. 40 years later the EPA found out about it and fined the municipality $600,000. No appeal.

902 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:20:44am

898 frax

heh.. true, without getting arrested.

or, in my case, tossed back in with a bunch of lefty hippies praising one another for saving yet another beached whale.

*pulls some seaweed from hair*


stupid hippies.

903 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:24:22am

901 3 wood

in MN, the EPA passed a 'regulation' that flourescent lights couldn't be tossed in the garbage because of possible pollution if you got enough together.

but it wasn't 'announced' very publically... they just started fining.

the idea was that companies like 3m, which changes dozens of bulbs a day has a large enough concentration of whatever pollutant is in those bulbs that it COULD create some sort of issue down the road.

but it was the small business owner who can't afford a legal department to constantly check for new stupid 'regulations' who ends up paying the fine.

(and don't get me started on OSHA and their commie hippie 'liking-the-smell-of-their-own-farts' nature)

904 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:24:45am

Hey all y'all! Gonna be a quick drive by...have to go to the grocery in a minute, but wanted to check in & see how my DT buds are doing today! Lance ..sorry you have a headache..poor baby.

905 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:24:52am

#888 Lance

imagine I should go to the doc and see what they say about it.

Please, go get it checked out. Probably it's nothing, but you never know. We need you to be healthy enough to be President when you get old enough.

906 Catttt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:26:26am

#878 3 wood

Yep.

Does a lot of this go on? That surprises me. Maybe I'm spoiled - my workplace is very egalitarian and proper.

Actually, most people in this area are proper and polite. Bums outside the 7-Eleven are polite and proper. Panhandlers downtown tend to be very polite, because the panhandling laws are enforced (it's allowed, but there are restrictions on aggressive, loud behavior). They're so polite it is disconcerting.

907 3 wood  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:29:58am

Lance

but it wasn't 'announced' very publically... they just started fining.

Yep, that's the EPA I know and loath. No annoucemements, no grace period to comply, you just have the inspector show up one day and whammo, a multi-hundred thousand dollar fine.

908 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:30:51am

905 3 wood

heh.yeah. i may see about getting an appointment for the day after my birthday, as I've already taken my birthday and the day after off (Thursday and Friday)

i've never done that before, so I thought I would.

909 LanceKates  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:31:47am

907 3 wood

yup, and they'll use the judicial system of the government to strongarm you into paying their extortion fee.

i mean "fine".

910