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-RetweetBreaking: Shooting at Seattle Jewish Federation

Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 4:33:56 pm PDT

Possibly related to the Hizballah war? Several people shot at Jewish Federation in Seattle. (Hat tip: Joseph.)

SEATTLE – At least two people have been shot at the Jewish Federation at 2031 Third Ave. in downtown Seattle. One or two people have been taken into custody but it’s not known if they are suspects.

One person was reportedly shot in the abdomen and another in the arm. They are being taken to Harborview Medical Center.

Part of Third Avenue has been closed to traffic. Police are urging people to stay away from the area. It’s not known if more suspects are at large but policemen were seen handcuffing one person and others were searching the area.

At least three people were seen emerging from the building, escorted by police. It’s not know if they were hostages.

Medics have been taking other people from the building.

UPDATE at 7/28/06 5:46:06 pm:

Seattle police take a suspect into custody, from King5.com:

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UPDATE at 7/28/06 5:48:01 pm:

King5 reports the suspect is Pakistani:

Sources told KING 5 the suspect is a Pakistani man with a criminal background. He is from the Tri-Cities but his citizenship is unknown. Officials are on the way to the Tri-Cities to interview his family.

UPDATE at 7/28/06 5:52:47 pm:

Definitely connected to the Hizballah war. Looks like another case of Sudden Jihad Syndrome: At least one killed during shooting at Seattle Jewish federation. (Hat tip: Allahpundit.)

At least five people were shot - one fatally - this afternoon at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle by a man a witness said was upset about “what was going on in Israel.”

Police spokesman Rich Pruitt said there was one shooter, who was apprehended without incident outside the Jewish Federation Building located on the corner of Third Avenue and Virginia Street. Pruitt said there were at least two victims on the third floor of the building.

Police got reports of shots fired shortly before 4 p.m. Early reports were that the victims were shot in the stomach.

The alleged shooter was taken away in a patrol car after being handcuffed on the sidewalk outside the building. Pruitt could not immediately say what motive the alleged gunman had.

One witness, who declined to give her name, said a man walked into the Jewish Federation building with a gun, said he was upset about what was going on in Israel, then opened fire. After the shootings, the man said to call 911, the witness said. The witness said the man identified himself as an American Muslim.

UPDATE at 7/28/06 6:44:05 pm:

All of the shooting victims were women.

One was pregnant.

Harborview spokeswoman Pamela Steele said five victims were taken to her facility, all women ranging in age from 20s to 40s. Each suffered gunshot wounds to the abdomen, knee, groin or arm. Three were in critical condition and still in the operating room. Two are in satisfactory condition.

One of the women in satisfactory condition is 20 weeks pregnant and was shot in the arm. Doctors believe she will be OK.

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1 paint-right  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:34:51pm

Awful was the shooter carrying a baby?

2 Almostout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:36:34pm

Can we start shooting back now?

3 paint-right  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:36:37pm

I don't mean to sound mean but that happened elsewhere (Isreal) accordiing to a post in the Landis thread.

4 Pete(Detroit)  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:37:47pm

Those darned murdering Bhuddists!

5 torontoguy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:40:04pm

#3, nope I posted it in the Landis thread. It says Seattle.

6 Almostout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:43:05pm

Fox is reporting the news now.

7 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:43:07pm

Nothing more dangerous than a peace activist - Seattle has a lot of them.
Amazing how the peace crowd always wants to eradicate the Jooos as a solution.

Speaking of peace activist hags who won't buy their son's headstones - breaking story:
Cindy Sheehag lied to buy Crawford land.

Cindy Sheehan now faking Katrina victimhood to bamboozle her way into buying land with her son’s insurance money, to protest a war he died supporting?
8 Zardah  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:43:39pm

I found this:

Shootings in Belltown

Seattle Times staff

At least three people have been injured after at least two people shot at them in Seattle's Belltown neighborhood this afternoon.

Seattle police SWAT team members are preparing to enter a building in the 2050 Third Avenue, according to police spokesman Rich Pruitt.

Police say they've arrested one person. It's unclear the extent of any injuries.

9 Seattle Rep  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:43:48pm

I was just about to leave my building on 4th Ave, and heard the news. It's happening 4 blocks away.
Pray for the safety of the folks in the Jewish Community Center and for the safety of the law enforcement trying to end this thing.

10 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:44:17pm

Just heard the same scarce news on Fox.

11 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:44:55pm

Sudden Jihad syndrome or Moonbat anti-semitism are possibilities, but I'll stick with herion addict or domestic dispute for now.

12 paint-right  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:44:59pm

oh wait so this is the same incident ?

13 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:45:43pm

My heart just dropped. This is going from bad to worse.

14 Zardah  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:46:27pm

and this:

BREAKING NEWS:
Several people shot at Jewish Federation in Seattle

04:42 PM PDT on Friday, July 28, 2006

KING5.com

SEATTLE – At least two people have been shot at the Jewish Federation at 2031 Third Ave. in downtown Seattle. One person has been taken into custody.

One person was reportedly shot in the abdomen and another, a woman, was shot in the arm. They are being taken to Harborview Medical Center.

The incident began around 4 p.m.

Part of Third Avenue and Second Avenue have been closed to traffic. Police are urging people to stay away from the area. It's not known if more suspects are at large but policemen were seen handcuffing one person and others were searching the area.

At least three people were seen emerging from the building, which has two or three stories, escorted by police. It's not known if they were hostages.

Medics, escorted by police, have been taking other people from the building. Police have kept other medics from entering the building. It's not known how many people are left in the building or if more people are injured.

Rich Pruitt of the Seattle Police Department said" "Right now we have our SWAT team searching the building."

He said the building is being searched room by room and closet by closet for more people.

One shooter is confirmed and in custody, he said. As of yet he said there is no motive. It's not yet known if the incident is politically motivated.

The Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle says on its Web site that its mission is to "ensure Jewish survival and enhance the quality of Jewish life locally, in Israel and worldwide."

More to come.

15 ronnie schreiber  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:46:30pm
KING5.com

SEATTLE – At least two people have been shot at the Jewish Federation at 2031 Third Ave. in downtown Seattle. One person has been taken into custody.

One person was reportedly shot in the abdomen and another, a woman, was shot in the arm. They are being taken to Harborview Medical Center.

The incident began around 4 p.m.

Part of Third Avenue and Second Avenue have been closed to traffic. Police are urging people to stay away from the area. It's not known if more suspects are at large but policemen were seen handcuffing one person and others were searching the area.

At least three people were seen emerging from the building, which has two or three stories, escorted by police. It's not known if they were hostages.

Medics, escorted by police, have been taking other people from the building. Police have kept other medics from entering the building. It's not known how many people are left in the building or if more people are injured.

Rich Pruitt of the Seattle Police Department said" "Right now we have our SWAT team searching the building."

He said the building is being searched room by room and closet by closet for more people.

One shooter is confirmed and in custody, he said. As of yet he said there is no motive. It's not yet known if the incident is politically motivated.

16 SlothB77  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:47:38pm

was this during a special event or just business as usual? somehow i doubt this is a domestic dispute.

17 redshirt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:48:48pm

RoP strikes again perhaps?
Would it be racist and hateful of me to think it was a muslim?

18 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:49:13pm

Local news here says 3 female victims.

19 jimg  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:49:33pm

Watching the updates on local tv.

Three victims were just brought into the hospital. Three women. At least two more ambulances are expected. Reports of a gunman still loose in the building.

Only the victims at the hospital is confirmed information.

20 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:50:51pm

FBI sent warning to the Jewish community in Seattle two days ago.

21 SlothB77  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:50:54pm

for some context:

Around 2,000 people gathered Sunday, July 23, at Luther Burbank Park, to strong support for Israel in the current showdown on the Lebanon-Israeli border. Despite the late-afternoon heat in the mid-90s, regional supporters came en masse, committed to America's "sister-nation," said one speaker. American and Israeli flags hung in trees, were stapled to the amphitheater stage walls, were stuck in people's hair, their hats, baby strollers and on their dogs.

The Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle organized the event and garnered 40 other sponsors of Jewish organizations, synagogues and businesses.

22 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:51:25pm
23 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:51:51pm

#17 RoP strikes again perhaps?
Would it be racist and hateful of me to think it was a muslim?

Probably. But then again maybe just realistic. Most women who are murdered are murdered in their own homes. That is where domestic violence takes place.

Druggies tend to hold up convenience stores.

There are some skinheads in Seattle - quite a few as I recall - but if I was placing odds I might just go with your first idea. That's where DC Sniper and company started out.

24 dhimmishelter  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:53:20pm

I just heard this on the Hugh Hewitt show. He mentioned that possibly hundreds of Hizbollah cells around the world have been activitated and this is the first of many terrorist acts.

Also, Seattle police say at this point they don't yet have a motive for the attack on the Jewish Federation.

Uh-huh, right. Think I might have a notion about why, and may even be able to predict to near certainty the so-called religious faith of these Jew killing thugs.

PC behavior, September 10th mentality and lefty apologia will get us and our loved ones killed

25 Pitiricus  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:54:16pm

Was the shooter's name Hassan? Or Muhamad? Must be a buddhist!

26 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:55:08pm

LLL kooks will be saying this is a "Rovian plot" in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

27 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:56:05pm
#20 NuclearTinkerbell 7/28/2006 04:50PM PDT
FBI sent warning to the Jewish community in Seattle two days ago.

hey NukeTink how are ya?
would you have any links to that?

28 abu_garcia  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:56:27pm

There was also this one in Texas

DICKINSON — A Dickinson man was recovering Wednesday from two gunshot wounds at a University of Texas Medical Branch hospital, where the man accused of shooting him practiced medicine.

Hospital spokeswoman Jennifer Reynolds-Sanchez said Dr. Wameeth Fadhli would not perform any clinical work while officials investigate the shooting of a 22-year-old bicyclist.

“At this point, this looks like it could have been just a random shooting, and that makes it a pretty scary crime,” she said.

29 Almostout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:56:49pm
I just heard this on the Hugh Hewitt show. He mentioned that possibly hundreds of Hizbollah

If that is the case, round up the a-holes and ship them out!

30 thscott  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:57:01pm

Tragic, but nevertheless the peaceniks will probably rally in Westlake Center to protest non-existant "revenge attacks".

31 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:57:32pm

Multiple casualties calls.
Bet the shooter's name was Chad before it became Mohammed.

32 Missouri Boy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:58:47pm

Of course, Washington is not a CCW state.
If citizens were allowed to pack there, the shooters would already be dead.
my 2 cents

33 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 2:58:56pm

#26 republic
good thinking, I'll check out dkos. Cover me.

34 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:00:17pm

O/T

and for no good reason...

This has been stuck in my head since the first day Israel hit hezballah:


The sky is red, I dont understand,
Past midnight I still see the land.
People are sayin the woman is damned,
She makes you burn with a wave of her hand.
The citys a blaze, the towns on fire.
The womans flames are reaching higher.
We were fools, we called her liar.
All I hear is burn!

I didnt believe she was devils sperm.
She said, curse you all, youll never learn!
When I leave theres no return.
The people laughed till she said, burn!
Warning came, no one cared.
Earth was shakin, we stood and stared.
When it came no one was spared.
Still I hear burn!

You know we had no time,
We could not even try.
You know we had no time.

You know we had no time,
We could not even try.
You know we had no time.

The sky is red, I dont understand,
Past midnight I still see the land.
People are sayin the woman is damned,
She makes you burn with a wave of her hand.
Warning came, no one cared.
Earth was shakin, we stood and stared.
When it came no one was spared.
Still I hear burn!

35 jimg  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:01:12pm
Of course, Washington is not a CCW state.
If citizens were allowed to pack there, the shooters would already be dead.
my 2 cents

Your two cents is incorrect. Washington certainly does allow conceal and carry. My CPL license is good for another four years.

36 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:02:09pm

Thanks nuketink

...this is gonna be some white kid in a che shirt that changed his name to abdullah last week.

37 jimg  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:02:38pm

Sorry. CPL. CPL license is redundant. Distracted by tv.

38 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:02:39pm

Hi Babba!
Trying to find the specific Seattle link for you - here's the general warning that went out:

FBI Sends Out Warning That Hezbollah May Attack Jewish Groups

July 26, 2006
Western governments are heightening their alerts for possible reprisal attacks from Hezbollah on Jewish and Israeli targets.

The FBI last week sent out a memo to its regional offices as a general warning that such strikes could be coming.

While both the FBI and Jewish organization officials familiar with the warning stress that no specific threats against American Jewish targets have been detected, Jewish organizations passed on the information to member groups last week through the recently created "secure community network," which was established to share threat data for Jewish organizations.

An FBI spokesman said yesterday that there was no information of an "imminent attack" from Hezbollah, but that the bureau had increased its focus on the group now fighting Israeli special forces in southern Lebanon.

Already, according to the Globe and Mail newspaper, British counterterrorism officials have said they are raising the alert for attacks on Jewish and Israeli targets in Britain. On Monday, the German newspaper Bild quoted the German interior minister, Wolfgang Schaeuble, as saying, "The longer the conflict continues, the greater becomes the danger of terror actions in other countries."

"This was a general advisory," the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, Malcolm Hoenlein, said yesterday, referring to the FBI memo. "We have not heard anything that would indicate a specific threat. This is more of a general concern," he said.

39 Max DarkSide  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:03:39pm

#32 Missouri Boy

Of course, Washington is not a CCW state.


And WA is pretty free on when you can carry without a permit, including in the workplace. I did at work.

40 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:04:16pm

38 NK

Ohhhkay I knew about that one, I thought you had something specific that the FBI had warned that particular group of Jews...

41 Kaintuck  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:04:22pm

This is live:

[Link: www.police-scanner.info...]

You'll have to scroll down to find the Seattle page. Dispatcher was just talking about evacuating nearby buildings.

42 IreneFingIrene  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:04:30pm

The fact that they are looking for more suspects is prudent police work, but also indicative of being politically motivated (group terror attack).

I'll tell you if it was politically motivated. Just give me "Name and town, name and town, name and town". Actually, I just need the name.

It sucks that it works that way, but it's more a commentary on them than me.

43 neocon hippie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:04:53pm

#7 just a little taqiyah for their righteous cause, just like their [bigoted word] friends teach

44 wccawa  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:04:54pm

Gettin' mighty close to home- right here in WA. Prayers for those who were shot...

45 MamaAJ  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:05:21pm

I just finished talking to my husband about how I want us to get concealed carry permits. "I know I'm going to sound paranoid, but I really want to get them now."

Sometimes the hair on your neck just stands up, ya know? Something's in the air...

46 thscott  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:06:17pm

My gut says that this was just a nut... Seattle is crawling with them... you can't go two blocks without hearing someone babbling to himself. If this was connected to Hezbollah it would have been much more deadly.

47 Lynn B.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:06:28pm

I wonder if the shooter read this

Door slams hard on any who would criticize Israel

By ROBERT L. JAMIESON Jr.
P-I COLUMNIST

When it comes to Israel, there seems to be precious little room for free discussion.

To suggest anything critical of the country puts one at risk of being labeled the worst kinds of things.

Seen through another prism, it is like a white person being called racist for wondering why black kids can memorize rap lyrics but won't put the same effort into English 101.

Or like folks being deemed hostile to immigrants because they question why undocumented workers line up downtown for day-labor jobs.

Or being called a homophobe for suggesting that gays and lesbians are off base when they equate the push for legalized gay marriage to the civil rights movement.

Such issues, molecularly charged, are ripe for debate.

Yet none of these topics, from where I sit, comes close to setting off the kind of reflexive and negative reaction touched off by questioning Israel.

Doing so invites being called anti-Israel or anti-Semitic, damning labels that are hard to remove. Then the door slams on honest discourse.

After Rachel Corrie of Olympia was fatally run over by an Israeli military bulldozer, numerous Jewish and pro-Israel thinkers told me she had it coming. They said she was abetting terrorists -- a disputed claim.

Corrie wanted to bear witness to Palestinian suffering.

Such suffering doesn't negate the horror of Palestinian suicide bombers who spill the blood of Israeli civilians.

But even raising the plight of Palestinians invites vilification.

Are we to pretend Palestinian suffering isn't so bad?

There's more. And comments are open.

48 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:06:45pm

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OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP

America's Most Aggressive Defender
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[Link: www.jpfo.org...]

49 GregInSeattle  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:07:20pm

Wow, Charles is fast. This is happening less than a mile from where I work. Will be interesting to see what motivation was at work here. Pray for the victims.

50 GregInSeattle  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:08:14pm

Another data source for y'all:

51 jimg  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:08:14pm

While it's easy to jump to conclusions - and understandably so - don't forget there are other groups other than Muslims who would have no trouble walking into a Jewish office and opening fire.

52 neocon hippie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:08:48pm

Are we approaching a tipping point at last?

53 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:10:32pm

Raw footage on Seattle King5

54 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:10:57pm

Thank you "Authorities", don't give us the names, protect the terrorists.

Of course we must not get angry.

We must take it easy.

It's just islamofascism conquering the world, no reason to worry.


.
.
.

/In fact I don't worry, but that's me, I have my reasons.

55 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:12:02pm
2 Wounded in Shooting in Downtown Seattle
Jul 28 8:00 PM US/Eastern
Email this story
SEATTLE

Two people were wounded in a shooting Friday at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle and one person was arrested, police said.

The extent of the victims' injuries was not immediately known. A SWAT team was searching the downtown building for any other possible victims or shooters, police spokesman Rich Pruitt said.

"People got shot, some of our co-workers," Patti Simon said in a phone interview, her voice shaking. "I just got back from Israel and made it out of there a half hour before the rockets started."

Simon, who sells advertising for the federation's newspaper, was working on the first floor when she heard screaming, shots and what sounded like furniture crashing on the floor above.

"We heard this horrible screaming on the floor above us and shots," the 52-year-old said. "We didn't know what was happening."

Simon called up to her co-workers on the second floor, but got no answer, so she called the police and fled the building.

One person shot in the abdomen and another shot in the arm were being taken to Harborview Medical Center, KING-TV reported.

Police blocked off several city blocks to investigate.

Simon said the federation building has security.

"Somebody must have lied their way in," she said."

56 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:12:03pm

NWcable news reports 1 fatality, 2-3 wounded.

57 jimg  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:12:11pm

They've just confirmed one dead.

58 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:13:27pm

One of the women is pregnant.

59 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:14:41pm

King5 is reporting one dead, 4 wounded, 1 trapped in building

60 jimg  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:14:45pm

One dead. Four injured. One in custody.


(which is precisely what Kilgore Trout will post. Just keepin' it covered.)

61 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:14:57pm

51 jimg

This is true.

In the meantime, any of us can be a target..

[Link: www.sweetness-light.com...]

Safeway co-worker shoots and kills one, injures five..

Ford’s mother and sister told a local TV reporter that Ford was a kind, caring person, who wouldn’t hurt anyone but that he said he was being teased at work because he’s a Muslim and he couldn’t take it anymore.

However, police said that they couldn’t find any motive for the shootings and not heard about the possible religious conflict that his family say provoked the attack.

62 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:15:04pm

It begins.

In the grand tradition of the AMIA bombing in Buenos Aires, it appears the sleepers have indeed awoken.

In my beginning of the war estimates, this was one of the possibilities. My heart goes out to the families of Seattle's Jewish community.

63 TMF  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:16:50pm

LLL or JIhadists?

Wait...isnt it the same thing now?

64 jimg  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:18:44pm

#61 Amalie,

Absolutely.
See post #35

65 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:18:56pm
Yeetgadal v' yeetkadash sh'mey rabbah
May His great Name grow exalted and sanctified
B'almah dee v'rah kheer'utey
in the world that He created as He willed.
v' yamleekh malkhutei,b'chahyeykhohn, uv' yohmeykhohn,
May He give reign to His kingship in your lifetimes and in your days,
uv'chahyei d'chohl beyt yisrael,
and in the lifetimes of the entire Family of Israel,
ba'agalah u'veez'man kareev, v'eemru: Amein.
swiftly and soon. Now respond: Amen.
Y'hey sh'met rabbah m'varach l'alam u'l'almey almahyah.
May His great Name be blessed forever and ever.
Yeet'barakh, v' yeesh'tabach, v' yeetpa'ar, v' yeetrohmam, v' yeet'nasei,
Blessed, praised, glorified, exalted, extolled,
v' yeet'hadar, v' yeet'aleh, v' yeet'halal sh'mey d'kudshah b'reekh hoo
mighty, upraised, and lauded be the Name of the Holy One, Blessed is He
L'eylah meen kohl beerkhatah v'sheeratah,
beyond any blessing and song,
toosh'b'chatah v'nechematah, da'ameeran b'al'mah, v'eemru: Amein
praise and consolation that are uttered in the world. Now respond: Amen.
Y'hei shlamah rabbah meen sh'mahyah,v'chahyeem
May there be abundant peace from Heaven, and life
aleynu v'al kohl yisrael, v'eemru: Amein
upon us and upon all Israel. Now respond: Amen.
Oseh shalom beem'roh'mahv, hoo ya'aseh shalom,
He Who makes peace in His heights, may He make peace,
aleynu v'al kohl yisrael v'eemru: Amein
upon us and upon all Israel. Now respond: Amen.


L'CHAIM!

66 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:19:17pm

#60 jimg
Seems like we got enough people on the case, I'll bow out. TV downstairs, computer upstairs, stairs inbetween.

67 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:19:23pm

Seatlle Times reports there may be 5-6 injured, 1 fatality.

Police could be looking for another alleged suspect who may be on a nearby roof top. It's unclear whether any other arrests have been made.

Several witnesses said they saw a man walk up to the entrance of the building and shoot a woman in the leg. The man then walked into the building and made it up to the roof.

Witnesses said they heard one shot while the man was on the roof . The man then went back inside and witnesses said they heard several more shots.

Police have surrounded the building and police snipers are on top of nearby buildings.

Shooter was identified as an "anglo".

68 yochanan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:20:01pm

you will have to prove to me that it isn't an anti semitic attack till then it is.

69 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:21:53pm

66 Killgore

But it's good for you.

The stairs...

70 RaiderDan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:21:56pm
LLL kooks will be saying this is a "Rovian plot" in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

#26, yes, and the local CAIR chapter will have a statement ``sympathizing'' with the local Jewish community BUT, and you knew there was a but, saying that the shooting ``is only one-one hundredth of the death threats and harrassments Muslims face every day...''

DUers of course will say the Zionists did it too themselves...

71 Tumulus11  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:22:12pm

. One unconfirmed eyewitness report that the shooter 'said he was upset about what was happening in Israel.'

72 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:24:09pm

More Breaking:

U.S. Stepping Up Aid to Lebanese Military

WASHINGTON — The United States is stepping up its aid to the Lebanese military to help it enforce government sovereignty in southern Lebanon, now the bailiwick of the Hezbollah guerrillas, the State Department said Friday.

Current allocations for the Lebanese are slightly more than $1.5 million, department spokesman Tom Casey said, and the department has notified Congress it wants to send urgently another $10 million.

Will stupidity never cease?

73 echoparkdirt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:25:15pm

I hope this doesn't rouse up any Islamophobia, that's my first concern!

74 Midwest Pundit  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:26:43pm
75 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:26:48pm
76 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:26:57pm

One witness, who declined to give her name, said a man walked into the Jewish Federation building with a gun, said he was upset about what was going on in Israel, then opened fire. After the shootings, the man said to call 911, the witness said.

[Link: seattlepi.nwsource.com...]

77 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:27:16pm

#71 Tumulus11
Source?

78 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:27:44pm

So now Jews are being murdered in America too. What a world.

79 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:27:47pm

72 galloping granny


WASHINGTON — The United States is stepping up its aid to the Lebanese military to help it enforce government sovereignty in southern Lebanon, now the bailiwick of the Hezbollah guerrillas, the State Department said Friday.

Shakes head. Totally appalled.

80 khamr  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:27:55pm

So if it isn't a muslim terrorist asshole than it's probably a moonbat liberal asshole.

/not much difference these days.

81 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:28:57pm

Our first moonbat jihadi. Two have melded into one, assimilation complete.

82 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:29:09pm

#77 - see my post76

83 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:29:31pm
#71 Tumulus11

. One unconfirmed eyewitness report that the shooter 'said he was upset about what was happening in Israel.'

Could be Hezzbollah, could be a LLL maniac.

Don't jump to conclusions, tempting and probable as it may be.

Remember the pre-World Cup knife rampage? Everyone was so sure they knew who did it. Turned out to be a drunken teenager.

/LGF Watch had a field day, just wait for more facts

84 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:29:37pm

Where is Earth2moonbat when we need him?

85 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:29:49pm

This is just the Mossad trying to get sympathy for their Aparthide & outright complete destruction of all of Lebanon & their Racist war crimes against the Peaceful palestinian people who once had a bustling city of peace before the evil zionists came & killed them all & kicked them out of their homes at the same time & created the genocide against the palestinians that is going on while the palestinian numbers increase in such a speed that they deserve their own state, outside of the beautiful country of Gaza that is still occupied, & terrorised by fly overs & having no Jews there...oh did I mention that Israel commits war crimes, is racist & kills babies, women & unborn babies...?

86 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:30:19pm
On [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...] target="_blank">Tucker Carlson's show on MSNBC, today he again had on Middle East Expert (tm) Evan Kohlmann, whose main point was the important distinction between Al Qaeda and Hizb'Allah. One could dispute, point by point, his theories (Hugh, anyone?), but the statement that got me was his claim that, unlike Al Qaeda, Hizb'Allah is not a religiously motivated group. They are just a regional, nationalistic group fighting over national boundaries with Israel. So, the group that calls itself "Party of God" is not motivated by religion.

Also, the point that Tucker Carlson felt important to make was that, do we really want to get into a fight with Hizb'Allah? Evan replied no, they are powerful and have not targeted the U.S. But, it is not the U.S. battling Hizb'Allah in Lebanon, it is Israel; I haven't heard anyone suggest that the U.S. go into Lebanon to fight Hizb'Allah, so why was that an important point to make? It seems to be important in this sense: to make sure that we (U.S./U.K.) see each of the hundreds of Muslim/infidel conflicts going on around the world as independent, not related to us, none of our business. The kinship we naturally feel for those who are also under attack from Islam (in this case, Israel) is threatening to some. If we start to feel too close to the Jews of Israel, or the Hindus of India, or the Bhuddists of Thailand, or the Copts of Egypt, it becomes important to point out how different we are from these other infidels, how those attacks by Islam are completely different from the attacks on us by Islam. We must not connect the dots

.

GOD SAVE US FROM EXPERTS WHO DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT ISLAM...Also, the point that Tucker Carlson felt important to make was that, do we really want to get into a fight with Hizb'Allah? Evan replied no, they are powerful and have not targeted the U.S. But, it is not the U.S. battling Hizb'Allah in Lebanon, it is Israel; I haven't heard anyone suggest that the U.S. go into Lebanon to fight Hizb'Allah, so why was that an important point to make?...HEY EVAN THE HIZBOS ATTACKED AND KILLED 241 MARINES IN 1983 REMEMBER DIPSHIT. the hizbos drove a truck bomb into those MARINES FOR ALLHA EVAN...
THAT IS A "religiously motivated group"...ANOTHER ONE WHO WANTS TO FORGET THOSE MARINES...I WONT LET HIM.

87 Ann  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:30:26pm

#72 galloping granny

Will stupidity never cease?

No, this move is not stupid at all.

Religions:
Muslim 59.7% (Shi'a, Sunni, Druze, Isma'ilite, Alawite or Nusayri), Christian 39% (Maronite Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Melkite Catholic, Armenian Orthodox, Syrian Catholic, Armenian Catholic, Syrian Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Chaldean, Assyrian, Copt, Protestant), other 1.3%
note: 17 religious sects recognized

Secular countries like Lebanon and Iraq need to be liberated, not berated.

88 jimg  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:31:15pm

Just ID'd the shooter as a Pakastani male. Unconfirmed.

89 thscott  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:31:16pm

40-50 y/o Pakistani man from Tri-Cities

-King5

90 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:31:30pm

You know, I understand the fear of Jews everywhere, not just here in America. And yes the FBI sent out a "General" warning to all major Jewish organizations etc. in the US. And yes Ahmedwhoever (hat tip, zulubaby!)threateded to activate sleeper cells, but folks, we don't have ANY information to indicate the shooter (now, apparently, a murderer) was in fact a Muslim.
Moreover, having read the entire thread, there have been at least 3 tellings of exactly the same story.
This is one of the effects terrorists try to engender.And while yes, my money is on a Muslim shooter (whether or not a member of a cell), it's unfortuately true that there are a lot of anti-semites out there and a lot of apolitical, non-religious nut cases with guns.
I think we need to give this one more time to develop before we all start talking about muslim sleeper cells and the like.

91 LSD  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:31:55pm

The mind wanders ...

92 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:31:57pm

83 Killian

I agree with you. Wait for the facts about the person or persons who have committed this crime.

One thing is for sure, the victims were Jews.

/Prayers for those affected

93 jimg  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:32:30pm

Meanwhile, there's a 'stop sending US money to Israel' rally going on down the street at Westlake Center.

Fools.

94 Emmanuel Goldstein  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:32:31pm

Shooter is a Pakistani male.

He was reported as being "upset" about Israel.

Sounds like an Islamic terrorist attack.

95 Jimmah  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:32:34pm

# 70 raider Dan.

"#26, yes, and the local CAIR chapter will have a statement ``sympathizing'' with the local Jewish community BUT, and you knew there was a but, saying that the shooting ``is only one-one hundredth of the death threats and harrassments Muslims face every day...''"

It never ceases to amaze me that Muslims are allowed to get away with this nonsense. They collectively can only DREAM of the levels of threat, persecution and actual textbook genocide that have been done to the Jewish people in the last century. But do you ever hear anyone on the left plead clemency on their part for all their suffering and oppression? Nope - for some unexplained reason, that sort of shit only counts for muslims.

96 patriot62  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:32:53pm

King 5 TV in Seattle is reporting that the Suspect is a "Pakistani Male". They report that "haven't yet discovered a motive". Also local news is covering as we speak a Pro-Hezbollah rally taking place in Downtown Seattle just blocks away from the shooting.

97 thscott  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:32:57pm

Guess there weren't any Jews east of the Columbia...

98 Almostout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:33:23pm

Why do they not release the name of the murderer? Is it a legal thing?

99 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:33:58pm

OT
I've been looking for something on the web and ran across this.
[Link: www.swastikaindustries.com...]
wth?

100 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:34:34pm

#87 - Ann

I know that Lebanon is close to 50% not islamic. I simply do not trust that arms given to the government of Lebanon will not go straight into the hands of Hizballah.

101 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:34:39pm

Interesting...

Any bets on if the shooter is a Muslim and the MSM dumbs that angle down?

102 neocon  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:35:13pm

Yoni on Hugh Hewitt claims the shooter is a Pakistani national.

103 cheesehead  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:36:01pm

Pro-Hezbollah rally nearby; Pakistani man detained, nothing here folks. No connection what-so-ever.

/sarc, off

104 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:36:16pm

J.D.:

Its an Indian (dot not feather) company. They consider the swastika as a symbol of good luck (IIRC).

They had it as a religous symbol, long before Hitler & it can be found (supposedly) all over that country.

Just an F.Y.I. not an excuse.

105 Gabba Gabba Hey  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:36:18pm

#99 J.D.

From Wiki: The swastika (from Sanskrit स्वास्त& #2367;क svastika) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles in either left-facing or right-facing direction. The swastika is a holy symbol in Hinduism and Jainism. In the West, it is most widely known and used as a symbol of Nazism. It is traditionally oriented so that a main line is horizontal, though it is occasionally rotated at forty-five degrees. The Hindu version is often decorated with a dot in each quadrant.

106 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:36:26pm

99 JD

Hey ... those terrorists have to get their uniforms from somewhere...

/good find, JD

107 KevinV  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:36:28pm

The shooter is Pakistani. He is Muslim.

This shit follows a horrific month in Seattle with numerous, gory murders.

Not on CNN. Not on Foxnews. Nothing.

We all know what headlines it would be if a lone Jew stormed an Islamic Center and shot people.

This is bullshit. And now we have sectarian violence in the US. Thanks to Muslims.

109 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:36:44pm

#98 - Is it a legal thing?

Not usually in the US. The names of those arrested are published in many local papers, though an eventual acquital might not be.

110 Tumulus11  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:37:16pm

Tumulus11 7/28/2006 05:22PM PDT
. One unconfirmed eyewitness report that the shooter 'said he was upset about what is happening in Israel.'

Source: KIRO Eyewitness News, Seattle

111 jrdroll  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:37:19pm
The Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle was established 1926. According to its Web site, its mission is to "ensure Jewish survival and to enhance the quality of Jewish life locally, in Israel and worldwide."


[Link: seattlepi.nwsource.com...]

112 spyder  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:37:25pm

My prayer, as a non practising Christian:

Please God allow the Jewish people to finally live in peace and do not allow us to be the generation that finishes what Hitler set out to do. Please God, give us the strength and power to stop them.

113 thscott  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:37:51pm

Its on CNN, but not MSNBC nor FOXNEWS so far...

114 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:38:07pm
#94 Emmanuel Goldstein

Shooter is a Pakistani male.

He was reported as being "upset" about Israel.

Sounds like an Islamic terrorist attack.

Well, that certainly starts to narrow the possibilities.

/something akin to the LAX El Al shooting?

115 TMF  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:38:07pm

Fucking pakis.

Of course.

Pakistan- the worst of the worst. Saudi Arabia, Syria, even Iran in my opinion- mary poppins compared to Pakistan.

And their an "ally".

Very scary.

We will need to deal with them eventually.

116 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:38:26pm

It took me by surprise. I'm just looking for drapery tiebacks...

117 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:38:27pm

I imagine the authorities need to verify they have the suspect's correct identity before they release any information on him?

It is still very early in the midst of their investigation. Very, very early..

118 Super Jew  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:39:15pm

Apparently Yahoo! doesn't consider this newsworthy. It's in their news archives, but you can't find it unless you search for it. At first I thought maybe it was just because us LGFers were ahead of the curve...but there are news reports going back to over an hour ago, it seems. Apparently a shooting rampage at a Jewish community center just isn't worthy of the front page, what with such important headlines as "World Series of Poker kicks off in Las Vegas".

I wonder if it would be different if five people were shot by some maniac at a YMCA?

119 jrdroll  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:39:15pm

Pakis-Saudi Bitch.

120 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:39:56pm

Kevin V

Check out my post 61. This is not something new and we are all at risk.

121 mkm19602000  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:40:30pm

On Hugh Hewitt right, Yoni Hugh's IAF vereran, is saying that the shooter is a Pakistani national from across the state who has a prior record. ATF bomb squards have been called in as well as the Seattle Bomb squad. Yoni says his his confidence level is 8.75 out of ten. Prayers for the families involved.

122 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:40:33pm

Yes, Ann, an excellent idea.

Lahoud: Hezbollah enjoys utmost prestige in Lebanon, because it freed our country. All over the Arab world you hear: Hezbollah maintains Arab honor, and even though it (Hezbollah) is very small, it stands up to Israel. And of course Nasrallah has my respect.

123 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:40:57pm

#112 - "non practicing" Christian

Let me remind you that Christ himself said "Religion is of man, not of G_d."

God knows the names of those who belong to him.

124 Gabba Gabba Hey  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:41:19pm

Link to live feed. [Link: www.orbusmax.com...]

125 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:41:41pm

#33 Killgor Trout

#26 republic
good thinking, I'll check out dkos. Cover me.

You crack me up!

:D

I will say, that I am mighty glad that the politicians in Washington had enough sense to create and vote in the bill, just recently, like it was ever needed(2nd Amendment), which keeps ANY government, national, state, local from confiscating LEGAL firearms from LAW-ABIDING American firearms owners, in case of another national emergency like Katrina, or any other potential national emergency.

Weeewh!

126 EC Marm  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:41:46pm

#78 zulubaby 7/28/2006 05:27PM PDT

So now Jews are being murdered in America too. What a world.

I think that's part of why anyone in the United States with brains supports Israel. We watch what is happening there and know it is coming here, soon. has arrived.

127 WarBicycle  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:41:51pm

Now that the West is experienced at evacuating people from the Middle East by boat, we should use this expertise to ship all Muslims whence they came by boat.

128 zombie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:41:58pm

Pakistani arrested in Seattle

Sources told KING 5 the suspect is a Pakistani man with a criminal background. He is from the Tri-Cities but his citizenship is unknown.
129 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:42:55pm

da-da-da-daaa-da-da!

[Link: i35.photobucket.com...]

Never fear!
Super Jew is here!

We need you to break up a pro-hezballah demonstration in Seattle, please, so...
Up
Up
and
oy vey!

130 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:43:01pm

#123 galloping granny

Let me remind you that Christ himself said "Religion is of man, not of G_d."

God knows the names of those who belong to him.

Spot on granny!

131 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:43:13pm

Not on Google News at all.

132 TMF  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:43:13pm

Its a tragic situation, BUT...

(insert moral equivalence cliche here)

/KOS, Atrios, ThinkProgress, DU

133 Cartman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:43:48pm

#118

I wonder if it would be different if five people were shot by some maniac at a YMCA?

And your inference is?

134 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:43:49pm
#123 galloping granny 7/28/2006 05:40PM PDT
#112 - "non practicing" Christian

Let me remind you that Christ himself said "Religion is of man, not of G_d."

God knows the names of those who belong to him.

Amen to that, Granny

135 Gadfly  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:43:54pm

What is Israel's highest military award? Looks like they (unfortunately) have a candidate for it: Roi Klein. Did Peralta ever get the CMH?

136 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:44:09pm

122 Zulubaby

Everyone, EVERYONE, must read your link. ... ... .. ..

137 Old_Maid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:44:31pm

Evenin', all. I just got in (8:40). I don't see this on Fox News, or CNN. But I'm sure if it were more than one muslim doing the shooting, they would come from "A broad spectrum of society."

138 Bad Penny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:44:46pm

It's on the Yahoo news front page now. In the US News section.

139 scoreboard44  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:44:56pm

123 galloping granny

Agreed. I was baptized lutheran, married in an Episcopal church, tried Methodist, Non Denom...All believe in Christ.

I have always believed that God is God and Religion was man's invention.

140 TMF  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:45:05pm

Drove by an Anti-Israel ANSWER-ish demonstration in Philly here today.

All 10 of the participants looked like well fed, well heeled American Jews.

Sick, twisted, hateful fuckers. I cant believe I share a background with these shitstains.

They should make them trade in their mizuzahs.

141 DP111  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:45:13pm

From a poster on JW

One datapoint on Islam's righteous defence against our 'savage attacks':

Yesterday, I passed through the Portland, Maine airport. This is the place were Mohammed Atta embarked enroute to Manhattan.

Passing through security, I was screened by a woman in a headscarf.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Amazing.

142 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:45:20pm
#115 TMF

Pakistan- the worst of the worst. Saudi Arabia, Syria, even Iran in my opinion- mary poppins compared to Pakistan.

And their an "ally".

Would you rather we stopeed propping up the Musharef government?

/think about it

143 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:45:31pm

OT
Warren's Piece
Clinton's secretary of state reminds us how lucky we are to have a Bush administration.
by William Kristol

Every time neocon warmongers like me get exasperated by the Bush administration (and we've had increasingly good reasons for exasperation in the last year or so, I might add), someone like first-term Clinton secretary of state Warren Christopher pops up. Maybe "pops up" isn't quite right, conveying as it does an implication of activity and even energy. So let's just say that Warren Christopher presented his credentials to the Washington Post op-ed page Friday, criticizing the Bush administration, more in sorrow than in anger. Bush, you see, had "resisted all suggestions that the first order of business should be negotiation of an immediate cease-fire between the warring parties," i.e., between the state of Israel and the terrorist group Hezbollah.

Christopher's piece
needs to be read to be believed. It needs to be read as an example of the fatuousness of liberal elite opinion about the world we live in. That opinion is dominant in the Democratic party--and, unfortunately, has penetrated the Bush State Department more than one would wish. Still, Christopher's op-ed is such a convenient reminder of how much worse things could be that one wonders whether he's on Karl Rove's payroll.

He's probably not. After all, this is the man who, as secretary of state, allowed ethnic cleansing to go on far too long in the Balkans, presided over humiliations in Somalia and Haiti, did nothing in the face of genocide in Rwanda, didn't respond to terror at Khobar Towers, and allowed Hafez al-Assad to treat him as a supplicant. He's back, basically articulating the line of the non-Lieberman wing--that is, 95 percent--of the Democratic party. ...

144 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:45:36pm

122 zulubaby

Did you send this to Charles? An extremely revealing piece on the views of the President of Lebanon, dated two days ago.

145 gonzo  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:45:55pm

As he did blow himself up the attacker is obviously a moderate.

146 jimg  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:46:50pm

I used to work in broadcasting and I understand the need to avoid jumping to conclusions, but I am getting tired of this line being repeated:

"We have a Pakastani man with a criminal record in custody. One is dead, and five injured when he opened fire at the Seattle Jewish Federation. We do not know of a motive."

147 norar  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:46:59pm

#14 Zardah

One shooter is confirmed and in custody, he said. As of yet he said there is no motive. It's not yet known if the incident is politically motivated.

Does this mean they don't know yet whether a murderer is an anti-Zionist or antisemite?

148 PDM  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:47:09pm

This is sick! And it's likely only a matter of time before some of the larger Jewish populations in the US are targeted.

149 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:47:21pm

#122 zulubaby
did you send that to Charles?
it needs a thread...

150 Jimmah  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:47:29pm

Pakistanis do so hate the idea of a country being set up on religious grounds, with accompanying displacement of the original population etc...

151 Leper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:47:55pm

First some wacko shoots up a Seattle Capital Hill neighborhood (killing 5 people) and now this. It's obvious the Metrosexuals have turned violent. It's time Cindy Sheehan called them home for a good talking to.

152 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:48:07pm

135 Gadfly - the linkie requires registration. How about posting the article?

153 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:48:16pm

Amalie, no, I'll send it to him now. Didn't you love the last paragraph?

154 TMF  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:48:18pm

Killian Bundy

Would you rather we stopeed propping up the Musharef government?

Absolutely not.

But eventually, Musharaff will be gone. He has effectively no control over the wild west/al qaedist fronteir.

It is unlikely Pakistan will ever find another leader like him.

Pakistans radical population WILL hit critical mass, eventually.

And they will have nukes. That country is a MAJOR ticking time bomb.

155 Homer_S  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:48:32pm
#17 redshirt 7/28/2006 04:48PM PDT

RoP strikes again perhaps?
Would it be racist and hateful of me to think it was a muslim?

racist - No. Muslim is not a race.

hateful - Yes. Justified? I don't know.


It's Friday nite, share a pizza with a friend.

156 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:48:40pm

144 Amalie
LOL mah sistah, jinx...

no... we are not the same person...
157 TMF  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:49:05pm

Jimmah

LOL

158 Ziggy'sGrammy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:49:33pm

We are here in Portland and get NW Cable news. They so far seem to be begin truthful. No mention of the man being muslim, but they are stating that he is Pakistani, with a criminal record. At least they aren't trying to hide that fact.

Also saying he is from the Tri-cities. For those outside of the NW, that is Richland, Pasco, and Kennewick in Southeastern Washington state.

Scary times. May the L-rd be with the victims.

News flash - they actually used the word muslim.

ZG

159 zombie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:49:48pm

According to this site which lists moonbat Seattle events, there is/was an anti-Israel event going on just a few blocks from the shooting.

160 echoparkdirt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:50:07pm

A Pakistani shooting up a Jewish cultural center? Whatever could be the motive? I'm perplexed and baffled. Does the Pakistani come from a Broad Strata of society?

161 Emmanuel Goldstein  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:50:39pm

Reported to say: "I am a Muslim-American and I am angry at Israel" (paraphrased). Then opened fire.

162 Catttt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:51:06pm

#128 zombie

From your link:

According to the Seattle Times, a man got through security at the Jewish Federation and told staff members, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," then began shooting, according to Amy Wasser-Simpson, the vice president for planning and community services for the Jewish Federation.

And here I was assuming he was a Buddhist.

/sarc

163 Shaken  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:51:07pm

"According to the Seattle Times, a man got through security at the Jewish Federation and told staff members, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," then began shooting, according to Amy Wasser-Simpson, the vice president for planning and community services for the Jewish Federation"

164 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:51:08pm

BabbaZee, done. I sent it to Charles.

165 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:51:23pm
News flash - they actually used the word muslim.


Hmmm...

166 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:51:55pm

shaka!
shaka
jewlu!

;~P

167 Stan LS  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:52:03pm

Emmanual,

yep

" According to the Seattle Times, a man got through security at the Jewish Federation and told staff members, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," then began shooting, according to Amy Wasser-Simpson, the vice president for planning and community services for the Jewish Federation."

[Link: www.king5.com...]

168 TMF  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:52:06pm

Im a Jewish American, and Im angry at Pakistan

But I have no plans to shoot up a gas station or 7 fucking 11

Fry this fucker into charred shchwarma

169 Sheepdogess  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:52:14pm

KING 5 News Seattle

The guy got past security at the center, said he was a muslim and and hated Israel and started shooting.

Nuff said.

Three words.

170 jrdroll  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:53:09pm

#158

No mention of the man being muslim, but they are stating that he is Pakistani, with a criminal record. At least they aren't trying to hide that fact.

Ain't no dimes difference. Pakis do this sh*t are muslims NOT Hindus or Christains,

171 scoreboard44  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:53:18pm

155 Homer_S

Yeah..it's a great gesture..but my Israeli friends will never know the satisfaction of a Hungry Howies Italian Sausage and Bacon , with butter Garlic crust pizza.


My friends have got to get over this Ham thing.

:)

172 khamr  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:53:32pm
#159 zombie 7/28/2006 05:49PM PDT
According to this site which lists moonbat Seattle events, there is/was an anti-Israel event going on just a few blocks from the shooting.

Bet you the muslims ran towards the gun fire and the moonbats away from it.

173 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:53:34pm

I have heard about this, since it was first revealed here, on Michael Savage, and that's it, as of 5 minutes ago.

Not a word about it have I seen nor heard on FOX News.

174 Shaken  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:54:07pm

and into the arms of 72 virgins in the county lockup

175 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:54:10pm

This is sick! And it's likely only a matter of time before some of the larger Jewish populations in the US are targeted.

And perhaps smaller ones too. I know that there have been incidents - rare - of grave desecration in the pretty rural area of New England that I live in. Dartmouth College flatly refuses to allow Jewish students to form a fraternity, though every other religious and ethnic group on campus has one.

I know that we do have a small Jewish community here, but they sure aren't listed in the phone book.

176 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:54:20pm

As a Jew living in Seattle I am not surprised. I have found this one of the most Jewish unfriendly cities I have ever been to.

177 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:55:06pm
#127 WarBicycle

Now that the West is experienced at evacuating people from the Middle East by boat, we should use this expertise to ship all Muslims whence they came by boat.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that such action was constitutional, logistically possible, and Muslims would just go along with the "plan", where would you send them, what country(ies) would agree to accept millions of Muslims?

/I mean, following that logic, why go to all the trouble, why not just shoot 'em all, just as unconstitutional and logistically impossible a solution?

178 J.D.  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:55:11pm

One dead, 4 hurt in Seattle Jewish center shooting

..."We have five victims, all female, ranging from their early 20s to 40s, who have been brought to Harbor View (Medical Center)," hospital spokeswoman Pamela Steele said.

"They have sustained wounds to the knee, groin, abdomen and arm. Three of the five have been taken to the operating room," she said.

The shooting took place at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, which had helped organize a large rally last weekend to demonstrate support for
Israel in its fight against Hizbollah.

179 bobko  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:55:21pm

According to the Seattle PI:

One witness, who declined to give her name, said a man walked into the Jewish Federation building with a gun, said he was upset about what was going on in Israel, then opened fire. After the shootings, the man said to call 911, the witness said. The witness said the man identified himself as an American Muslim.

180 scoreboard44  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:55:31pm

168 TMF

Devotee's of the HBO series "Deadwood"...would use a better term...

"COCKS**KER"!

181 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:55:46pm

Babba, I'm stressing out of my head ! ! ! and still, you make me laugh :-)

Emmanuel Goldstein (You a Yiddesha with a name like that? ;-)

Reported to say: "I am a Muslim-American and I am angry at Israel" (paraphrased). Then opened fire.

Now can we call it anti-Semitic?

182 zombie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:56:19pm

From Charles' latest update:

One witness, who declined to give her name, said a man walked into the Jewish Federation building with a gun, said he was upset about what was going on in Israel, then opened fire. After the shootings, the man said to call 911, the witness said. The witness said the man identified himself as an American Muslim.

Has the street war in the US begun?

183 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:56:40pm
184 EC Marm  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:56:57pm

#78 zulubaby 7/28/2006 05:27PM PDT

Well, if the protesters were upset that American money is going to Israel - could you suggest a good Israeli link with a "tip jar" that I can hit. Maybe Charles could put up a permanent link.

185 TMF  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:57:39pm

Still voting Dem, fellow Jews?

Suicidal.

186 Ann  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:57:57pm

#100 galloping granny

I know that Lebanon is close to 50% not islamic. I simply do not trust that arms given to the government of Lebanon will not go straight into the hands of Hizballah.

A legitimate concern.

But from what I understand, the non-insane in Lebanon want Hezb'Allah gone. Lots of displaced Lebanese here in the US.

Sorry for the delay.

We were at the kitchen sliding door with the lights out, watching the most graphic lightning display.

187 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:59:22pm

153 Zulubaby

Here it is, straight from the President of Lebanon's mouth.. July 26, 2006

SPIEGEL: Why the Palestinians?

Lahoud: We have today around half a million Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, their birth rate is three times higher than the Lebanese. That is a time bomb. It is the basic problem of our country, it led to the outbreak of civil war in 1975 and still remains unsolved today. Everybody today is talking about UN resolution 1559, but nobody mentions resolution 194, which recognizes the Palestinians' right of return (to Israel). Lebanon is small and can't integrate the Palestinians.

188 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:59:23pm

#171 - "this ham thing."

There is an extremely good reason that the Laws of Moses specify no eating of pork. Pork carries the parasite that causes trichinosis. There is NO cure for trichinosis. You get it - you die.

Every single year there are cases of trichinosis in Europe. Here in the US pork producers are banned from feeding leftover scraps to hogs so (supposedly) trichinosis is relatively rare here.

I did, in fact, see a Food Network show where the "chef" served up inch-thick pork chops cooked just 3 minutes or so per side. I wouldn't have touched that with a 100 foot pole, to say nothing of let it pass my lips (or even touch my fingers.)

If you are going to eat pork, cook it almost to death. Minimum 165 degrees F.

189 DP111  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 3:59:57pm

Now wait for the excuses from the Ummah

1. He is just a mentally insane person, worthy of sympathy - nothing to do with islam.

2. He is not a true muslim.

3. It is a Zionist plot to defame Islam and Muslims.

4. We Muslims are the real victims.

190 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:00:24pm

I'm very interested to know if he came from the anti-Israel rally down the street. Any info on that?

191 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:00:43pm
#154 TMF

Pakistans radical population WILL hit critical mass, eventually.

And they will have nukes. That country is a MAJOR ticking time bomb.

We monitor where they store their warheads and my guess would be, at the first sign of real upheaval, we'll spike them, one way or another, before they would fall into jihadi hands.

/as a backup plan, India is our new best friend

192 Blackacre  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:01:21pm

zulubaby (#122):
Thanks for the link.
What a world we live in.

193 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:01:29pm

More from the President of Lebanon:


SPIEGEL: United Nations Resolution 1559 demands that the army should control the whole country -- up to the border with Israel.

Lahoud: It (the army) does that. But it wasn't the army that freed the occupied south of the country, rather it was the resistance which achieved that. Without this resistance Lebanon would still be occupied today.

SPIEGEL: You're talking about Hezbollah. But Israel's withdrawal happened six years ago. Why has the state still not fulfilled the task set by the UN?

194 4Him  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:01:56pm

Am I hearing this right...all the victims so far are women? What is it with these cowardly creeps!

195 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:01:58pm
Officials are on the way to the Tri-Cities to interview his family.
According to the Seattle Times, a man got through security at the Jewish Federation and told staff members, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," then began shooting, according to Amy Wasser-Simpson, the vice president for planning and community services for the Jewish Federation.
A joint terrorism task force has moved in. SWAT teams and a bomb disposal unit are at the scene. The building is still being searched and a suspect vehicle is believed to be in a nearby garage at 1930 Third Ave. Police cordoned off part of the garage but have not allowed owners to retrieve their cars

No, you're not an American. You're a Muslim first and last and always and don't deserve to breathe free air. F*ck you, you seventh century savage f*ck!
Shooting pregnant women with a shotgun because you don't like something happening half a world away? You bring this hate to my country and shoot at good people in their community centers?

This is now a domestic war.
What's next? Christian day care centers?

196 zombie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:02:12pm

It's situations like this where the power of LGF is so apparent and so necessary. There's more and faster info here about this shooting than anywhere else on the Net.

197 theheat  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:02:34pm
"I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel"

And I'm a Yankee. Get a rope.

198 Catttt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:02:56pm

159 zombie

As I was leaving the Baltimore solidarity rally this week, a couple of the pro-Pali (they chanted about Hezbollah and had a few Cedar of Lebanon posters, but they were mostly Pali and had Pali flags) protestors, one a fiercly scowling male with a kaffiyeh around his neck, walked by the front of the rally area saying "Death to Israel." To be fair, a small group of young people were chanting "death to Hezbollah" right there too. Fortunately, everyone was all talk.

199 neocon hippie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:03:11pm

#99 The company is based in New Delhi. The Nazis appropriated the swastika from some part of the ancient Hindu culture.

200 jrdroll  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:03:13pm

#182 zombie

Has the street war in the US begun?

Yo DC sniper? Low level. Can call the zombies to action at any time.

201 PDM  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:03:23pm

#175 galloping granny,

I know that we do have a small Jewish community here, but they sure aren't listed in the phone book.

I'm sure it will come to smaller communities too. I'm close to one of the largest. There are a lot of easy targets to be had there, and that concerns me a lot.

202 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:04:17pm

"You think it is pleasant to speak painful truths that cause pain to those who refuse to listen and who then react with pain and hate against the one who speaks? You think it is easy to be the messenger that brings forth the reaction, 'Kill the messenger?'"

~ Rabbi Meir Kahane

[Link: www.kahanetzadak.com...]

203 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:04:56pm

Scoreboard 44

Ahhh... Deadwood..

WWSD?

/What would Swearingen do?

204 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:05:37pm

How the hell did this guy "get through security" at the Jewish Center?

205 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:06:23pm

Now can we call it anti-Semitic?

No we cannot. We can call it religiously motivated hatred.

What we can call anti-semitic is the MSM's (other than the strictly local)massive failure to cover this. Foxnews, for one, will spend an entire day broadcasting "going on now" live broadcasts of a 10 mile an hour car chase in California.

206 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:06:39pm

EC Marm (#184)

What a beautiful gesture.

Magen David Adom needs all the help it can get -- especially now.

207 Paul  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:07:08pm

CBS Radio news here in Wisconsin says one dead and seven wounded "in a Seattle Jewish center" nothing about the shooter(s).

If it is indeed a Pakistani Muslim, the MSM will tap dance around that fact and the mayor of Seattle will, within 48 hours, visit a Seattle mosque.

208 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:07:59pm

#204 realwest
I'm guessing superior firepower.

209 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:08:14pm
"I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel"

I'm an American. I'm angry with Muslims.

210 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:08:28pm

201 PDM

{PDM}

211 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:08:35pm

What's next? Christian day care centers?

Already done. Jewish school/daycare. California (where else) some 10 or 15 years ago.

212 blutonazi98  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:09:01pm

#190 Zulu

that protest was nothin. if you just drive 55min south you will see that many or better on fridays

213 Beagle  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:09:58pm

Brave, brave jihadi shoots nothing but unarmed women at the Jewish Federation.

How...typical.

214 jrdroll  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:10:06pm
Newscaster: It has been established that persons who have recently died have been returning to life and committing acts of murder. A widespread investigation of funeral homes, morgues, and hospitals has concluded that the unburied dead have been returning to life and seeking human victims. It's hard for us here to be reporting this to you, but it does seem to be a fact.


[Link: www.garnersclassics.com...]

215 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:10:17pm

#204 realwest

How the hell did this guy "get through security" at the Jewish Center?

I think he shot his way in with a shotgun.

216 Kirly  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:11:06pm

#48 Babbazee

JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION
OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP

America's Most Aggressive Defender
of Firearms Ownership

[Link: www.jpfo.org...]

I love that organization! You don't have to be Jewish to be a member either. I was a member for a few years. I think I'll join up again. They used to have these stickers of Hitler doing a seig heil with a caption that said "all in favor of gun control raise your right hand".

217 Ann  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:11:26pm

The synagogues in the DC area have been on high alert every Sabbath since 9/12/01.

Guards, magnetometers, etc.

218 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:12:13pm

213 Beagle

My thoughts too.

219 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:12:29pm

Amalie, see, the Arab world uses the Palestinians as a launching pad for their madness and violence but they do not care about them at all. Why Israel has to be stuck with them, I don't know.

Cattt (#198)

As I was leaving the Baltimore solidarity rally this week, a couple of the pro-Pali (they chanted about Hezbollah and had a few Cedar of Lebanon posters, but they were mostly Pali and had Pali flags) protestors, one a fiercly scowling male with a kaffiyeh around his neck, walked by the front of the rally area saying "Death to Israel." To be fair, a small group of young people were chanting "death to Hezbollah" right there too. Fortunately, everyone was all talk.

"Death to Israel" is calling for the destruction of an entire people and country. "Death to Hezbollah" is calling for the death of a terrorist group. It's like responding to "Death to America" with "Death to al Qaeda". Does that make sense?

220 jrdroll  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:13:18pm
Radio Announcer: Because of the obvious threat to untold numbers of citizens due to the crisis that is even now developing, this radio station will remain on the air day and night. This station and hundreds of other radio and TV stations throughout this part of the country are pooling their resources through an emergency network hook-up to keep you informed of all developments. At this hour, we repeat, these are the facts as we know them. There is an epidemic of mass murder being committed by a virtual army of unidentified assassins. The murders are taking place in villages and cities, in rural homes and suburbs with no apparent pattern nor reason for the slayings. It seems to be a sudden general explosion of mass homicide. We have some descriptions of the assassins. Eyewitnesses say they are ordinary-looking people. Some say they appear to be in a kind of trance.


[Link: www.garnersclassics.com...]

221 neocon hippie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:13:32pm

Somewhat OT, but thx to whoever posted the link to the capmag.com article about the morality of Hirosaki. Nobody wants to talk about it, but this is what it's going to come down to, someday. A lot of people, the large majority Muslims, are going to have to die for civilization to save itself, after which Islam as a socio-political-pseudoreligious movement will join Nazism and Japanese militarism in the dustbin of history.

222 ibrodsky  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:13:37pm

Islam is evil and must be fought. The only language Muslim savages understand is violence.

/CAIR email alert: some Jews will not go like sheep this time.

223 jimg  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:13:45pm

Blutonazi98 must be talking about that fine, wonderful, tolerant community next door to where I live - Olympia.

Seattle's got nothing on the effing 5th column trash living down here.

224 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:14:18pm

#216 Kirly
They are 100% balls-out great.
Join up, everyone!

Try to have a good night everyone
babbagobeddy.

225 PDM  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:14:49pm

#210 Amalie,

Hi Amalie.
This news so sucks! Several years ago some wannabe jihadi murdered the father of one of my son's friends at the El Al counter at LAX. It took way too long to label it terrorism then. I wonder what will be now.

226 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:14:59pm

Brave, brave jihadi shoots nothing but unarmed women

One of them was 17 weeks pregnant.

227 ladybug  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:16:33pm

When preventing Sudden Jihad Syndrome, remember: Internment (camp) is spelled with an "nm". Otherwise it would be interment (burial). Nevermind.

228 DhimmiMoore  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:17:09pm

I live nearby and was shocked to see this on my TV when I got home to Monroe.

Disgusting. And I notice CNN has no idea what the motive was---nor indicates anything about the shooter.

Pathetic. Seattle is filled with moonbats, don't expect much reaction from there.

229 Jimmah  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:17:21pm

Speaking of the media, the BBC normally leap on ANY public shooting story from America. They NORMALLY love that stuff - 'out of control gun-lovin America at it again' etc. Betcha they take a rain-check on this one.

230 ibrodsky  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:17:47pm

CAIR, the terrorist lobby, will blame it on Israel. Maybe they'll even put out a press release saying they condemn this attack... brought on by Israel's actions. You know, root causes of IslamoNazism.

/American Jews wake up and arm yourselves!

231 Paul  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:17:48pm

My advice to every American is buy a gun, learn how to use it and carry it with you, if it's legal.

As Churchill said about the nazis "You can always take one with you."

232 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:18:02pm

Maybe now the FBI will stop bothering Charles and wasting time performing other CAIR initiated harrassement. There are really dangerous assholes out there, and they're not bloggers.

/that said, I bet CAIRR would [expletive deleted] if they knew the true extent that they and the rest of the Muslim community is surveilled, and not without good national secutity reasons

233 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:18:07pm

some Jews will not go like sheep this time.

some Jews willdid not go like sheep this the last time.

some Many Jews will not go like sheep this time.

Fixed that for you :)

234 Beagle  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:20:36pm

You have to give them credit for immediately turning themselves in, in terms of gaming the system, keeping up the jihad even after arrest. They get their kills. The system will spend millions to convict, but only if the insanity plea doesn't work. And you know everyone in the Muslim community will say he was a lunatic, though totally unreported and unnoticed before.

235 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:21:30pm

Yes arent Muslims brave!...For Allah they shoot Women...For Allah they kill Children...Allah like the bully he is demands the death of the weak...BUT THE GOD OF ISRAEL USES THE WEAK TO SLAY THE STRONG...YOUR DAVID IS COMING ISLAM...SCREAM IN TERROR!

236 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:21:38pm

#219 zulubaby 7/28/2006 06:12PM PDT

Amalie, see, the Arab world uses the Palestinians as a launching pad for their madness and violence but they do not care about them at all. Why Israel has to be stuck with them, I don't know.

Yes, the Palestinians are merely pawns. There seems to be quite a few pawns over in the Middle East, and some here too. It's like a chess game. The Pales are the lowest class of pawns. Hezbollah is a step up, pawns of the Syrians and Iranians. Lebanon, the same as Hezbollah. Syria, a pawn of Iran?

The Saudis have their own pawns...

237 Geepers  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:22:09pm

galloping granny (#233),

Please reference the poster you're quoting and responding to.

238 Beagle  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:22:16pm

#229 Jimmah

If a white guy had done this at a gay bar every 24-7 news network would be jumping between six reporters covering the story.

239 EC Marm  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:22:22pm

206 zulubaby
Magen David Adom needs all the help it can get -- especially now.

Thanks, had to do it while I was still mad. Good choice.

American Friends of Magen David Adom-ARMDI (AFMDA/ARMDI) is celebrating its 65th year of supporting Magen David Adom (MDA), Israel’s equivalent of the Red Cross.

240 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:22:41pm
#211 galloping granny 7/28/2006 06:08PM PDT
What's next? Christian day care centers?

Already done. Jewish school/daycare. California (where else) some 10 or 15 years ago.

In 1999, one half mile down the road from where I live. The Nazi killed a postman after shooting up the Jewish Community Center.

241 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:22:55pm

galloping granny (#205)

We can call it religiously motivated hatred.

This is anti-Semitism in action. Jews are being murdered everywhere because they're Jews. Even in America.

blutonazi98 (#213)

Thanks.

--

From 7.23.06:

Hizballah Sleeper Cells Reportedly Activated

Hizbullah "sleeper" terror cells set up outside Lebanon with Iranian assistance have been put on standby The Jerusalem Post learned on Sunday, and are likely planning attacks against Jewish and Israeli targets throughout the world.

The Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) confirmed to the Post Sunday night that it had instructed embassies, consulates and Jewish institutions it was responsible for abroad to raise their level of awareness in light of the conflict in the North.

242 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:23:25pm

234 Beagle

. And you know everyone in the Muslim community will say he was a lunatic, though totally unreported and unnoticed before.

Yes! That's right. The Crazy Lunatic Muslim Syndrome..

CLMS..

243 yehoshua  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:23:45pm

As usual, VDH has the last word (or, in this case, words) on what is happening in the Middle East:
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

As to the shooting in Seattle, Theodore Herzl envisioned a Jewish country for precisely this sort of violence. Herzl was an assimilated Jew for whom the idea of a Jewish homeland or country would have been the most outrageous idea in the world. But then, suddenly, as a reporter for an Austrian newspaper in Paris during the Dreyfus trial, he witnessed pure anti-Jewish hatred in the spurious indictment of Dreyfus, a Jewish officer in the French army.
Herzl quickly concluded that if France, the most so-called enlightened nation in Europe, could be so rabidly anti-Semitic, the only hope for the Jewish people could be in having their own homeland.
What happened in Seattle is bound to spread. A Jew who feels safe in America is a fool, not because America is anti-semitic but because America allows anti-semites to flourish, as in the many people carrying pro-Hezbollah placards in anti-Israel demonstrations.
Of course, people completely misunderstand the relationship between Israel and America. It is commonly said that Israel needs America, and so Israel has become America's whore, doing America's bidding, more or less, at every turn. The truth, however, is that America needs Israel far more than Israel needs America. Were America to turn her back on Israel, America would have no future, as concern for Israel is the one value that distinguishes America from her enemies.

244 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:23:49pm

#234 Beagle

You have to give them credit for immediately turning themselves in, in terms of gaming the system, keeping up the jihad even after arrest. They get their kills. The system will spend millions to convict, but only if the insanity plea doesn't work. And you know everyone in the Muslim community will say he was a lunatic, though totally unreported and unnoticed before.

Don't forget the court appointed Jewish attorney...

245 echoparkdirt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:24:00pm

Oh damn if the Jews weren't so violent then they wouldn't have caused their own murder! damn joos
/end sarc

246 MARKX  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:24:54pm

OK, Jewish lizardoids, ARM YOURSELVES !

247 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:25:20pm

#237 - sorry Geepers. Somebody made me spew on my keyboard this am, so it isn't shifting or doing numbers well. Have to go drop another $10 at Staples for a new one unless I have a spare hid up under the bed :(

248 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:25:53pm

Re #247

Well DUH I was referencing 222

249 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:27:07pm

For those willing to wade through Koskidz komments; To shoot jews ot not shoot jews? that is the question...
Seattle Jewish Federation Community Center Attacked One Death, One Suspect in Custody.


Thank-you Olmert. Now you have americans turning on themselves.


and

Chickens coming hom to roost.


and this nice exchange

Geekesque: Shooting up a Jewish community center
isn't a hate crime?

DemocraticLuntz: No, because they were supporting
Israel. Don't you get it?

No conspiracies yet, give them time.

250 PDM  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:28:36pm

#240 solomonpanting,

In 1999, one half mile down the road from where I live. The Nazi killed a postman after shooting up the Jewish Community Center.

I remember that one very well too. This war is not going to end any time soon and these events are going to come closer and closer to home.

251 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:29:48pm

EC Marm,

Though MDA currently staffs approximately 1200 emergency medical technicians, paramedics and doctors, it still relies heavily on over 10,000 volunteers who serve in both operational and administrative capacities. MDA operates 95 stations with a fleet of over 700 ambulances, mobile intensive care units and armored ambulances nationwide. Unique among civilian emergency medical services, MDA can become an auxiliary arm of the Israel Defense Forces during times of war.

Supporting Magen David Adom is a huge mitzvah. The entire country relies on them, as they do on ZAKA.

252 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:30:15pm
253 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:30:33pm

#241 - zulubaby.

Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic. Thought it was obvious enough it didn't need a tag. Mea culpa.

254 Tumulus11  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:31:03pm

According to a hospital spokeswoman:

. The five wounded all are women. Three are in surgery in critical condition, two are in satisfactory condition.

They are suffering gunshot wounds to the knee, groin, arm and abdomen.

Source: KIRO Eyewitness News Seattle.

255 Ann  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:32:25pm

#235 storagemanager

Breathe.

Don't want to see an online stroke or meltdown again.

256 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:32:30pm
257 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:32:31pm

#249 - KT

Geekesque: Shooting up a Jewish community center isn't a hate crime?

DemocraticLuntz: No, because they were supporting Israel. Don't you get it?

Killgore, is this REAL? You mean someone actually wrote this?

258 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:33:16pm

galloping granny, I'm sorry, my mistake. I'm too jumpy just now.

259 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:33:22pm

A quick scan of DU and KOS for their reaction to this story?

What story?


crickits...

260 Nahanni  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:33:48pm

We are going to see more and more of this.

Things like random shootings, incidents like this one in Seattle, bombs, etc.

The common denominators in all of them will be that the perp is either an Islamist or a member of the moonbat fringe as in enviroterrorists, anarchists, animal rights activists. The non Islamists may only appear to be unconnected to the jihadis but they aren't. They all have the same goal, the downfall of the west. Just remember Pym Fortuyn was assassinated by an "animal rights activist".

For example last week in Texas City they had to destroy an apartment because two anarchists were cooking up London Underground stle bombs and had an "accident". One of them died and the (and yes, I will call them stupid) stupid authorities let the other walk on a 10k bond!

The authorities will not connect the dots on these idjits until it is way too late. Why? Because they are being hindered everywhere by the Democrats, their LLL supporters and activists, their tools in the MSM who cover for them and their legal wing the ACLU.

261 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:34:06pm
262 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:35:26pm

118 superjew. It would only make the news faster if the shooter was a Christian or Jew. Muslim shooting at folks at the Young Men's Christian Association gym...not news I'd bet. I hope it never happens to see if I'm right.

263 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:36:00pm

Who's on Fox?

264 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:36:40pm
255 Ann 7/28/2006 06:32PM PDT
#235 storagemanager

Breathe.

Don't want to see an online stroke or meltdown again.

We cant all be the MAN you are Ann...I get upset when women are murdered for being Jewish..sorry...My heart isnt as hard as yours.

265 ReligionOfGoatherds  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:37:29pm

At this politically charged time, shouldn't CAIR be denouncing any Muslims who would use violence as a tool of political expression?

Oh nevermind, that isn't necessary because Islam is a religion of peace.

266 Jimmah  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:37:38pm

249 Killgore Trout

"Geekesque: Shooting up a Jewish community center isn't a hate crime?

DemocraticLuntz: No, because they were supporting Israel. Don't you get it?"

Message to Jews from the Left: Support your own people, you die. Got it now?

267 EC Marm  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:37:43pm

#242 Amalie 7/28/2006 06:23PM PDT

Yes! That's right. The Crazy Lunatic Muslim Syndrome..

CLMS..

That's good, some other lgfer came up with SJS - Sudden Jihad Syndrome

Now we'll have to listen to CAIR snip at the heels of the police how this "poor unfortunate" individual is being mistreated in jail, how his toilet faces the wrong way for him to pray, etc. All in an attempt to inspire more hatred, more violence.

268 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:38:15pm

#215 NuclearTinkerbell -" How the hell did this guy "get through security" at the Jewish Center?
I think he shot his way in with a shotgun." Now that I can understand. But according to a few of the posters above (see,e.g., #179 bobko) reported " According to the Seattle PI:
One witness, who declined to give her name, said a man walked into the Jewish Federation building with a gun, said he was upset about what was going on in Israel, then opened fire."

So the guy didn't shoot his way through security, maybe just pointed the shotgun? What kind of security is that?
Here in NYC, I've been to four synogogues in the last few years and they all had these guys with the ear piece and jacket sleeve microphone (like the USSS) at every door. And they were fairly clearly armed.
This is by no means to blame the Jewish Center, but it would seem evident even to a goy like me, and especially these days, that buildings where Jews congregate need armed security guards. I know that sucks, but I'm afraid it's a fact of life here these days.

269 yehoshua  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:38:19pm

#251 zulubaby

G-d bless you and protect you for reminding us of this. Shabbat Shalom.

270 TS  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:38:29pm

He will probably be described as a 'religious' man and every one of his family and friends, all Muslims, are shocked because he was a 'nice man'. (taqiyya!)

If you read the whole story in the last link, it sounds like it was pretty horrifying from the witness descriptions.

271 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:38:53pm

#261 - can't. Between cable and satellite. Checked the website. There is now a story in the links over in the dropdown, but no "breaking news" banner or any such thing as that.

Truthfully, I suspect it might be on Fox at all only because we have all been pointing out that it wasn't.

272 Allah's Helper  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:40:02pm

MSM will:
Blame Israel
Blame Bushrice
Blame The Jews
Blame The Gun(s)

It won't blame Islamism.

My condolences to the families of the victims.

273 Geepers  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:40:31pm

Killgore Trout (#249),

The author of the diary says:

He said 'I am a Muslim American. I'm angry at Israel."

It's like he's trying to give Malkin and LGF material to work with.

by Geekesque

Geekesque needs to get his muslim buddies not to make it so obvious when they go around murdering people in the name of allah.

274 barnaclebill  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:41:48pm

It appears that Seattle's Jewish community was not sufficiently islamaphobic.

275 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:41:54pm
#263 zulubaby

Who's on Fox?

Another Jew hating Muslim, spouting taqiyya, getting berated by Hannity.

What's new. The good thing is that, slowly but surely, the truth is getting out.

/when the truth will sink in to Joe Six Pack is another question

276 ibrodsky  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:42:08pm

Crazy Lunatic Muslim Syndrome

Symptoms: Desire to kill non-Muslims. Usually preceded by long periods of seething and whining.

Cause: Reading the Koran.

Cure: Heavy dose of IDF and US Armed Forces.

277 GregInSeattle  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:42:11pm

I saw a creepy dude when I was walking to my car. He was looking nervously around and up at all the helicopters. Probably nothing, but I called it in... Hmmm...

278 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:42:23pm

#257 galloping granny
As spooky as it seems they're as real as you and I.

279 Jimmah  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:42:38pm

I wonder (though not for too long) if any on the left have the mental capacity to realise that the Nazis too, thought that their hatred of, and justifications for killing Jews rested on concerns for 'justice',and an invincible sense of self righteousness?

280 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:43:18pm

#268 - we're supposed to tell you something important. I do not remember what it is though. Might want to search the recent posts for a reference to yourself.

This is by no means to blame the Jewish Center, but it would seem evident even to a goy like me, and especially these days, that buildings where Jews congregate need armed security guards

There are actually two clips up at King5. The one posted above and a second one that shows an aeriel view of the guy being taken away in handcuffs. Older - 50 ish or so. Bald or sparse ?gray hair. Definitely chubby. Whitish rather than darkish. In short, someone who could walk into the building with some plausible excuse, few questions asked.

281 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:43:33pm

I just walked by a plaza close to the shooting site. There was a Zionism is Racism sign and the Green US Senate candidate was speaking nearby.

That's class.

282 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:43:52pm

#262 amyc - Hi! Hey Cattt posted your warning to me about ALLTel on a different thread but you said that it was too long to talk about. The apartment complex mom and I are moving into sorta indicated that ALLTel is the only phone company that services that complex and that the apartment has 3 phone jacks (one in each bedroom and one in the living room) - is there any chance you could e-mail me and give me the information about ALLTel? If we CAN get,say, BellSouth, I suspect we'll have to replace the existing 3 jacks (and here in NYC Verizon charges $550 per jack). My e-mail addy is
realwest@earthlink.net
I'd really appreciate your help.

283 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:44:11pm

RE #280 - actually I just got a clearer view of the video above and on my screen it is stopped at the pic of the perp.

284 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:45:39pm
285 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:46:08pm
#264 storagemanager

I get upset when women are murdered for being Jewish..sorry...My heart isnt as hard as yours.

Have you ever used a firearm?

/it may come to that, hate to see you defenseless

286 Stringart  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:46:22pm
five victims were taken to her facility, all women ranging in age from 20s to 40s.

I'm sure others have said this but it bears repeating -

The brave Muslim warrior strikes again.

287 hazzyday  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:46:29pm

A few months ago I was sitting in the Columbia Center food court in Seattle next to a grp of 4 men. They could have been Indian or Pakistani. I did hear them mention Hizbollah several times, but the rest of their conversation was in a foreign language. They did let me know with some scowls that they didn't like me sitting next to them at Tully's.

I think there are more anti american people abroad in the US than we would like to think.

288 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:46:36pm

yehoshua, Shabbat Shalom.

289 code red 21  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:47:02pm

..as Michale Savage said on his radio program every Jew needs a 22

290 Van Impe  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:47:09pm

From AP report filed 9:07 EDT:

A SWAT team searched the federation building, looking for any other victims, anyone hiding or any other possible shooters, police spokesman Rich Pruitt said.

Pruitt said he had no information on a motive. ''Hopefully we can figure that out as this goes on,'' he said.

Just like there was no motive for the Palestinian who shot two people at the Empire State Building a few years ago and no motive for the muslim who shot some one at the El al counter at LAX...

291 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:47:11pm

#273 Geepers
Ah, If only Puddinhead was still with us.
*sigh*

292 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:47:34pm

realwest

It really seems to be a no win situation for security. Any kind of threat reaction would be condemned as "racist", "disproportionate", or "excessive".

293 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:47:46pm
294 Baldy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:47:49pm

Some idiot named Gomez said

"We believe it's a lone individual acting out his antagonism," said David Gomez, who heads the FBI's counterterrorism efforts in Seattle.
Authorities did not release any details about the alleged gunman and would not discuss possible motives.
"There's nothing to indicate that it's terrorism related," Gomez said. "But we're monitoring the entire situation."

Was Eric Rudolf a terrorist, even though he acted alone? He was. The Govt is filled with idiots. I wouldn't trust them with telling the truth unless someone actually comes out and says I joined Al Qaeda. Here's my membership card.

295 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:47:51pm

197 the heat. I was born in San Antonio. I believe you stole my line.

Get a rope.

296 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:48:03pm

The local news here can't reiterate enough how Muslim leaders are shocked and saddened by this.

These idiots probably believe it.

297 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:48:27pm
298 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:49:21pm

Geepers (#273)

LOL, they probably think it's a Zionist conspiracy. How do people get that sick? I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't so dangerous.

299 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:49:51pm
285 Killian Bundy 7/28/2006 06:46PM PDT

#264 storagemanager

I get upset when women are murdered for being Jewish..sorry...My heart isnt as hard as yours.

Have you ever used a firearm?

/it may come to that, hate to see you defenseless


Dont know the point of your jab...Oh yeah Christians who care about people cant defend themselves ..I get it...if thats your bet...you lose...I am well armed and trained...try another jab.

300 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:50:17pm

234 Beagle. Not to mention the chance to convert fellow prisoners.

I read a nauseating article in (I think) GQ about Jonny Taliban from Marin. It started with "He's a better person than you or I" or some similar dreck. Then it went on to talk about how he is a "leader" among the muslims in his prison.

301 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:50:38pm
302 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:50:50pm

All females shot.

I guess a Muslim man can't be a real man unless he kills women.

303 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:51:27pm

D'oh! KOMO 4 just declared that he is a lone gunman, acting alone!

304 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:51:32pm

PTJSS

Pre-Traumatic Jihadi Stress Syndrome

305 Shaken  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:53:17pm

they're getting very twisted into knots over at Koz trying to decide whether shooting Joos because they are Joos is anti-semitic or not

as one commenter puts it, labelling this as anti-semitic dilutes the meaning of anti-semitic

306 Ann  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:53:46pm

#264 storagemanager

We cant all be the MAN you are Ann...I get upset when women are murdered for being Jewish..sorry...My heart isnt as hard as yours.

I'm pissed off, too.

But hysteria has it's place and it's not good in a war.

I know that some feel that they are fighting the islamists here on this mere blog, so I just don't think that being panicked, even here on a blog, mind you, is a good tactic.

307 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:54:43pm
#299 storagemanager

Dont know the point of your jab...Oh yeah Christians who care about people cant defend themselves ..I get it...if thats your bet...you lose...I am well armed and trained...

No, it was a simple question. Glad to hear.

/you just come off as pretty much a pacifist

308 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:55:09pm

Pretty good live streaming video at KOMO. Link is here. Woman just described one of the victims as very small, maybe a child?

309 Paul  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:55:15pm

From the DUmmyland fever swamp: Israeli agression sparks terrorism at home.

310 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:55:32pm
The local news here can't reiterate enough how Muslim leaders are shocked and saddened by this.

Not nearly as shocked and saddened as the woman's family was when they heard that she'd been murdered.

311 Stop Hillary  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:56:05pm

Watch the MSM make this the Jews' fault, just like they do everything else.

Screw Seattle, the HQ for the LLL. The antisemitism of the Democrat left helped inspire this too.

Maybe, I'll be wrong, the only time the MSM sheds a crocodile tear for a Jew is when he or she is killed. That's how the MSM likes it.

Time to have the FBI start shaking down the Mosques and ridding this nation of the terrorist Jihadis among us. US citizens get their rights protected. Illegal Jihadis get sent packing or incarcerated.

It is 1936 all over again.

Kos Kidz are probably celebration the death of the unarmed women Zionazis.

Hey Kos, screw you.

312 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:56:26pm

Sorry, that was to Dahveed, #296.

313 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:56:45pm

#299 Storagemanager

She is right. You do need to take a few deep breaths and step back for a few.

What matters in the long run is NOT whether you can fire a rifle (this is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun) or know hand to hand combat. What matters is whether or not you can think.

When you allow yourself to get all worked up, that anger really does chemically cloud your thinking. It turns on your fight or flight response, leaving you unable to do much other than react.

314 Van Impe  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:57:26pm

#296

The local news here can't reiterate enough how Muslim leaders are shocked and saddened by this.

Technically it's true: they're shocked others didn't join him and they're saddened that only one person was killed.

315 Bubbaman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:57:35pm

1. What will be the reaction of Joos around the country - silence or outrage? If a [bigoted word] were murdered by Joos, there would be blood in the streets.

2. It was terrorism! Def. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

3. It's time for Joos to start getting "uppity"

316 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:57:51pm
Ann 7/28/2006 06:53PM PDT
#264 storagemanager

We cant all be the MAN you are Ann...I get upset when women are murdered for being Jewish..sorry...My heart isnt as hard as yours.
I'm pissed off, too.

But hysteria has it's place and it's not good in a war.

I know that some feel that they are fighting the islamists here on this mere blog, so I just don't think that being panicked, even here on a blog, mind you, is a good tactic

.
I was not
panicked...that post was anger...I feel sorry for your husband you are like some piss ant who feels the need to bitch about everything.

317 tigger2005  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:58:27pm

# 303 NucTink

Bet he was the shooter on the grassy knoll!

318 Markx  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:58:31pm

#289 code red 21

..as Michale Savage said on his radio program every Jew needs a 22

What? A .22? That will just piss them off. Everyone should have a .357 or at least a good .38 wheel gun.

.22 LOL

319 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 4:58:46pm

realwest, there absolutely is security there. It's unclear how, but somehow this bastard managed to get past it and into the building.

320 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:00:20pm

310 zulubaby

Not nearly as shocked and saddened as the woman's family was when they heard that she'd been murdered.

Inconsequential to the MSM. They need to understand the pain and anger of those mad at Jews and then ultimately dismiss it.

321 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:01:01pm

268 Realwest! DON'T sign up with Altel (now changed name to Windspring or something similar). Thieves ... will discuss tomorrow on DDT if you want details

322 Paul  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:01:58pm

This shooting will be treated like the Los Angeles airport shooting several years ago. Lone gunman...no conspiracy...not terrorism...gone...forgotton.

CBS 9 o'clock news: FBI says its a "lone indiviual", so it can't be terrorism.

This will be a non-story in two days.

323 Stop Hillary  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:01:59pm

BTW, everyone heard Al Quaeda's #2 call for global war the other day. Of course, the MSM dismissed it all as typical muslim bombast in response to Israeli aggression.

I believe that was the speech that triggered the AQ sleeper cells.

We are going to see more of this.

If anyone hears of any Jewish American rallys in NYC area over this, please post info here. I am going. In 1936 Christians didn't stand in to prevent it soon enough. There is no excuse for missing the early warning signs this time around.

324 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:02:42pm

Dahveed, totally. It's just another form of terrorism really.

325 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:03:16pm

275 killian. I think Joe 6 pack's got it. The elites are a whole different story.

326 Cartman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:03:46pm

#289 code

..as Michale Savage said on his radio program every Jew needs a 22

Nice little diddy on his part, but that ain't quite gonna cut it. I do have some alternative suggestions, tho. ;)

327 Bob's Kid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:03:50pm

Sadly, I fear we have not seen the last of this sort of thing.

Why is it that desperate people, when shot down at every go, resort to even greater desperation rather than revaluate their lives?

I don't get it.

328 jrdroll  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:03:55pm

Jews: at least 9 mm now for (oh to hell with PC) Christ sake.

329 hazzyday  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:04:03pm

Also, I would say it's highly likely the shooter had to pass through the anti-israeli protest. The protest area is at the Westlake mall. The starting spot for lefties to tie up commute traffic home several times a week. The Jewish center would be between Seattle Center and the Westlake mall and on the bus route. It's also walkable. If I were to get there from work or from home, the Westlake mall is where I would pass through before I went to the Jewish center.

330 Baldy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:04:08pm

Re: #294 - The Unabomber was a lone individual, " acting out his antagonism." I consider him a terrorist,

331 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:04:43pm

#321 Alltel PHONE Co?

Oh yeah, Realwest. Avoid those guys like the plague. Definitely thieves. Hacked a phone company server up here in VT and my daughter - along with many other customers - got double billed by both their own phone company and Alltel for months.

RE the jacks, since they broke up MA Bell, the jacks inside the house belong to the home owner, not the phone company.

332 Stop Hillary  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:05:06pm

Also folks. Heads up. The Dems are going to use this terrorist act as a basis to ban firearms so that law-abiding citizens cannot protect themselves. Count on it.

333 Bay54  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:05:33pm

This is nothing new but the people in our country will not face facts-
BROOKLYN BRIDGE in the 1990s
LAX EL AL COUNTER 2002
Of course, these weren't terrorist or hate crimes-sarcasm on for that one.

334 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:06:13pm

galloping granny as a christian I thought you would undstand the post Ann is crying about...

Yes arent Muslims brave!...For Allah they shoot Women...For Allah they kill Children...Allah like the bully he is demands the death of the weak...BUT THE GOD OF ISRAEL USES THE WEAK TO SLAY THE STRONG...YOUR DAVID IS COMING ISLAM...SCREAM IN TERROR

!

Ephesians 6:12.. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


Granny Ann jumps cause she dont like my Bible talk...always funny when another christian does it thou...oh well..jump away.

335 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:06:33pm

282 realwest. I'll email you. Just typical shysters taking advantage of mobile families (read military who have to move a lot). I melted down and cancelled the bastards today. We're going with Cox digital phone instead. It's not VOIP, it just comes in through ? so they call it digital.

336 Northpaw  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:06:39pm

When the nuke goes off in Israel or a major US city, it is going to get really ugly.

*this post is based on empirical evidence.

337 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:06:48pm

#329 - hazzy, I don't believe he passed through much of anywhere. The reports seem to indicate that his car was parked in an adjacent building. Being searched by FBI and bomb squads.

338 hazzyday  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:03pm

Terroist Cells are by nature lone individuals. If the media or the FBI feel placated by the fact that the shooter acted alone, they have given terrorists a great scheme to kill wantonly. The also get virgins, and will be held blameless because their victims didn't recognize themselves as victims.

339 red satellite  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:08pm

Muslim leaders in Seattle are shocked and saddened?

Oh give me an 'effin break. They're shocked and saddened he didn't blow himself...so they could have their first martyr.

340 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:23pm
#313 galloping granny

What matters in the long run is NOT whether you can fire a rifle (this is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun) or know hand to hand combat. What matters is whether or not you can think.

Sure, but in the short run, being able to fire a weapon is a good thing to know. I'd like to know what happened with the building security in tonight's episode.

/USMC Rules for Gunfighting 10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

341 Bay54  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:24pm

Stop Hillary
# 311
I don't at the moment know of any pro Israel demos but I know of a heck of a support Palestine / Hezbollah one-
This Saturday -walking over the Brooklyn Bridge.
I have only seen flyers on lamp posts in the City - I will try to find out if there is a counter demo.

342 Brian O'Connell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:48pm

Reuters:

SEATTLE (Reuters) - A woman was killed and five other women were wounded on Friday when a gunman opened fire at a Jewish organization in downtown Seattle that last weekend organized a rally in support of Israel.

What a vile thing is Reuters. I can't really think if a worse lede for this story.

343 red satellite  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:08:54pm

PIMF...up.

344 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:10:00pm

324 zulubaby

You're absolutely corect. Terrorism pure and simple. Some individuals here think that terrorism only happens in third world countries. If this kind of shooting happened in Israel, it would be a terrorist act. Hell, the guy acted like a terrorist. I'm sure he would be thrilled to call himself a militant. But the media and many liberals will dismiss it. The terrorists are the Jews and the Israelis and the American military. Muslims are oppressed and therefore can't commit terror.

Sorry for the rant, but I am so sick and tired of the idiots out there sugar-coating the obvious for their own twisted view of the world.

345 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:11:10pm

#313 galloping granny...by the way granny a 12 ga loaded with 00...takes little thinking...Just good ear plugs.

346 Ann  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:11:27pm

#316 storagemanager

that post was anger...I feel sorry for your husband you are like some piss ant who feels the need to bitch about everything.

He can handle it. Trust me!

How did you know about that?

I thought you were new.

Really, get some gun training. It will help your confidence and sense of self-reliance.

347 a.k.a. Will  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:12:11pm

I wonder if this dude attended a good Friday service at the mosque for a few encouraging words before shooting up the Jewish center.

348 Geepers  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:12:26pm

storagemanager (#316),

Going on the attack are you?

You could try backing up your position, but that would take effort and stuff, better just to call Ann names, cuz that's easier eh?


Oh, and PS, next time you pull your passive little girl whining about people attacking you expect to get the shit knocked out'a your ass you pathetic hypocrite.

349 Baldy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:12:29pm

301 ploome - I hope people pick up on my idea: if this guy did it cause of Israel/Arabs, then he's a terrorist. Eric Rudolph & the Unabomber were lone individuals, and everyone considers them terrorists.

350 Paul  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:12:56pm

#342 Brian O'Connell

It's not just Reuters, CBS radio news also mentioned last week's pro-Israel rally; the subtle inference being that the shooting was somehow provoked.

351 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:13:28pm

I've been busy doing the momma' stuff this evening so, this is news to me. My first thought was, "Oh, shit!" Then I got to wondering about reading a story earlier today.

What if some of the promised sleeper cells are individuals not affiliated with anyone else? I already had thought of this angle ages ago but, after reading the story below and the one at hand, I just can't help but wonder what the fuck is going on...if anything.

DICKINSON, Texas - A doctor has been charged in the drive-by shooting of a bicyclist, who was hit in the chest and shoulder and is now recovering at the same hospital where the physician works.

Dr. Wameeth Fadhli, a doctor at the University of Texas Medical Branch hospital in Galveston, was jailed Thursday on $60,000 bond after being accused of firing numerous shots at the 22-year-old man on Tuesday.

According to witnesses, the victim was riding his bicycle when a sport utility vehicle pulled alongside and began firing what they described as a pistol. The witnesses told police the shooter was alone and wearing what appeared to be surgical scrubs, said Galveston County Sheriff's Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo.

More at
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Is "Wameeth Fadhli" an Arabic name or the name of someone from an Islamic nation?

Maybe there is no connection between the two events. Maybe they are just two nuts. For all I know, "Wameeth Fadhli" is a name of an animist or Buddhist or Zorastrian or whatthefuckever.

Call me paranoid if you will but, THE BASTARDS ARE OUT TO GET US!

352 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:13:56pm

#334 - storage.

Sometimes it has nothing to do with your actual words but rather the way they are said. Later, when you have chilled out a little read back through what you wrote with a fresh eye. It was very apparent to those of us who know you that you were VERY angry.

Yes, there is cause for anger. But in both debate and war, the only thing raw anger will buy you is dead.

I have no problem with a statement or an argument from a religious point of view. If we would distinguish ourselves from the islamofascists, though, we need to use care in our choice of words and the manner that we present them so that we do not sound like those that took part in the Cartoon Riots = "allahu akbar! death to the Jews! death to the US!"

353 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:14:30pm

Oh, and I happen to talk to a somewhat liberal friend who didn't know of this situation. He wants to blame the guns for the act. Take away the guns, you don't have killing. He couldn't build his own bomb because that information isn't all over the internet. And, the government would know anyway. And gasoline couldn't be used, because the fire department could have been called.

The liberals make excuses.

Damn, I need new friends.

354 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:14:33pm
"We believe it's a lone individual acting out his antagonism," said David Gomez, who heads the FBI's counterterrorism efforts in Seattle.

Authorities did not release any details about the alleged gunman and would not discuss possible motives.

"There's nothing to indicate that it's terrorism related," Gomez said. "But we're monitoring the entire situation."

Who is this blithering idiot!? Is that why they're "searching for explosives and additional suspects"?

355 cranky  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:15:38pm

Buying more ammo tomorrow. A few years from now the few remaining Muslims will shake their heads and wonder 'what the fuck did we do to bring this shitstorm down on our heads.'

A Nation of Riflemen -- perhaps never more needed than now.

356 khamr  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:15:55pm
#231 Paul 7/28/2006 06:17PM PDT
My advice to every American is buy a gun, learn how to use it and carry it with you, if it's legal.

As Churchill said about the nazis "You can always take one with you."



Advice taken, just emailed a local club for training.

/Something I've been mulling over, this shit in Seattle seals the deal.

357 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:17:02pm

341 kb et al. All right, I'm going to the range tomorrow. Gotta find the closest one, but I'm going. Nags

:-)

358 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:17:13pm

#316 storagemanager
Out of bounds, asshole.

359 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:17:23pm
346 Ann 7/28/2006 07:11PM PDT
#316 storagemanager

that post was anger...I feel sorry for your husband you are like some piss ant who feels the need to bitch about everything.
He can handle it. Trust me!

How did you know about that?

I thought you were new.

Really, get some gun training. It will help your confidence and sense of self-reliance.



have fun Ann...I chose to ignore you...bait someone else.

360 Homer_S  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:17:24pm
#171 scoreboard44


Yeah..it's a great gesture..but my Israeli friends will never know the satisfaction of a Hungry Howies Italian Sausage and Bacon , with butter Garlic crust pizza.


My friends have got to get over this Ham thing.

:)

An old Italian guy owned a pizza shop (in New York) chastised me for ordering anything other than cheese on my pizza.

New York style: chewy crust on outside, thin in middle, must fold it to eat it, and grease runs down arm. Yum!

About the ham thing, try reading Romans 14:19-21(c'mon, it's 4 sentences!)


mmm, Pizza!

361 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:18:12pm

#353 Dahveed

The next time that you have to listen to a leftist kook tell you that guns are any kind of problem, ask that person this,

"If you are writing a note on paper, and you misspell a word, was it the pencil that caused it!"

The left may be the death of America.

362 Geepers  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:18:23pm

Markx (#318),

What? A .22? That will just piss them off. Everyone should have a .357 or at least a good .38 wheel gun.

.22 LOL

.22 pistol with subsonic ammunition is fine weapon, for the job it's intended for.

363 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:18:25pm

The idea of an armed man deliberately going in and targeting unarmed women isn't going to play real well to a large part of the populace.

364 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:18:29pm

#331 galloping granny I don't know about North Carolina but we're moving into an apartment rental complex and in NYC if Verizon installs the jacks (even though they charge you an arm and a leg for each one) they own them and you can't pass them on to the next tenant unless that tenant is also using Verizon.

365 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:19:10pm

#354 zulubaby

Unfortunately, the "blithering idiot" is

David Gomez, who heads the FBI's counterterrorism efforts in Seattle.
366 Piglet-U93  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:19:30pm
One witness, who declined to give her name, said a man walked into the Jewish Federation building with a gun, said he was upset about what was going on in Israel, then opened fire. After the shootings, the man said to call 911, the witness said. The witness said the man identified himself as an American Muslim.

"To delve into the mind of a clearly troubled and disturbed person is impossible," Weiner said. "It is heartbreaking to think of what is transpiring."


[Link: seattlepi.nwsource.com...]

Not really. Just read the Qur'an it is very easy!

367 mkm19602000  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:19:48pm

342 and 350

How PC of them to mention something that happened a week ago and not the Pali/Hezzbo Bund meeting today in Seattle. I feel an O'Donnell moment coming on Lying liars. Liars stinking Liars, oh hell as upset as I am I can't work up that amount of crazed derangement.

368 jrdroll  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:20:55pm
Radio Announcer: Because of the obvious threat to untold numbers of citizens due to the crisis that is even now developing, this radio station will remain on the air day and night. This station and hundreds of other radio and TV stations throughout this part of the country are pooling their resources through an emergency network hook-up to keep you informed of all developments. At this hour, we repeat, these are the facts as we know them. There is an epidemic of mass murder being committed by a virtual army of unidentified assassins. The murders are taking place in villages and cities, in rural homes and suburbs with no apparent pattern nor reason for the slayings. It seems to be a sudden general explosion of mass homicide. We have some descriptions of the assassins. Eyewitnesses say they are ordinary-looking people. Some say they appear to be in a kind of trance.


[Link: www.garnersclassics.com...]

369 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:21:44pm

My enemy is Islam...not anyone in LGF...so bait...I will ignore and we will all be happy.My faught for answering...wont answer a bait call again.

370 biff  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:21:56pm

#302 Dahveed

All females shot.

I guess a Muslim man can't be a real man unless he kills women.

Jihad is a war of demographics. The strategy of Islam is to increase Islamic population, while "converting" or destroying infidel populations. Raping or killing kuffar (nonbelieving) women is a big part of this war. Young women are targeted by terrorists in Israel. The targeting of women, exclusively, in Seattle is a clear sign that the murderer is a jihadist, and it is highly likely that he is part of a community of like minded individuals.

371 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:22:45pm

But damn, I gotta say, I have never ventured into a place where I'm targeted unarmed.

372 code red 21  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:23:16pm

#318 Markx
#326 Cartman

It is a nice little ditty but I prefer a .357 it usually stops people dead.

373 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:23:29pm

#331 - I live up on the Canadian end of the US real, but I believe the inhouse jacks are regulated under Federal law. If I can find the phone book in this madhouse I'll look it up.

Either way, there are a couple of phone companies online that I hear are fairly decent. You might consider cable internet and internet phone.

374 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:23:32pm

#362 geepers

Hmmm...
according to the link Killian Bundy (#340) supplied, #24 in the USMC Rules for Gunfighting is: Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a ".4"

;-)

375 Baldy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:23:34pm

333 Bay54 - There was also a shooting on the observation deck of the Empire State Bldg (1990's), the man who drove his car into students down south recently (2005 ? NC?)...

376 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:23:53pm

#361 republic

He would say that the gun's purpose is to kill.

All I know is that I may not own a gun, but I am sure as hell making a donation to the NRA. There's no way I am letting anyone take the guns away from those that know how to use them.

377 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:23:55pm

So, SM, then STFU already. Sheesh.

378 W-lover  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:24:32pm

Swamps-

The idea of an armed man deliberately going in and targeting unarmed women isn't going to play real well to a large part of the populace.

Yeah... Because you know- it takes a real man to shoot unarmed, pregnant women.

Under the Lacy Peterson act, can he be charged with 6 assults?

379 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:25:29pm

#335 amyc Thanks, I'd appreciate an e-mail; this move is stressful enough as it is and the last thing I need is a bad or crooked phone company.

380 Tasty_Beverage  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:25:56pm

#289 code red
#318 Markx

If Savage said that, then he himself is not literally calling for Jews to go out and buy a .22.

"Every Jew a .22" is one of Meir Kahane's old battle cries, trying to rally the (as he saw it, passive) Jewish population to arm themselves.

381 Ann  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:26:02pm

#359 storagemanager

have fun Ann...I chose to ignore you...bait someone else.

Good.

Life for me is about fun, confidence and strength.

Not whining and handwringing.

Damn.

The only happiness is misery for you?

382 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:27:34pm

Killer Tomato (#365)

Well that's comforting. If I remember correctly, the FBI wouldn't identify the LAX shooting as terrorism either. We wouldn't want to offend the Muslims.

383 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:29:19pm
384 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:29:26pm
385 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:30:03pm

#373 galloping granny - " If I can find the phone book in this madhouse I'll look it up." LOL!
I've packed about half my house and still haven't found my phone book.
I'm already on cable internet and will be in NC as well. But as for internet phone, could only get that if it doesn't need to be near a computer and looks and acts like a "real" land line phone - my Mom kinda "walks wide" around my computer when she's here anyway! LOL!

386 AG in Houston  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:30:08pm

My liberal liberal liberal brother in law is finally convinced and is going to purchase a firearm.

387 MJBrutus  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:30:20pm

#375 Baldy

That happened just down the road from me here in NC (I live in Raleigh, about 30 miles away). It took place at UNC, and the smilng, unrepentant jihadist was of Iranian origin. He drove an SUV through an outdoor student gathering area on campus. Interstinng enough, UNC's school paper published the "forbidden cartoons." There was a peaceful protest by leftist useful idiots and [bigoted word]s the following day.

388 Van Impe  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:30:34pm

#375

There was also a shooting on the observation deck of the Empire State Bldg (1990's)

According to the MSM that shooter had "financial problems" despite the fact that a note was found on his body referring to Israel/Jews.

389 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:30:48pm

#382 zulubaby

Well of course not! Then we'd have to deal with the concomitant seething and attendant rioting.

390 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:31:01pm

#378 W-lover

Yeah... Because you know- it takes a real man to shoot unarmed, pregnant women.

Henh. Yep. Some good representation going on there; just came right out and represented Islam as a chickenshit religion where a man needs a firearm to take on pregnant women.

391 markx  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:31:02pm

#362 Geepers

.22 pistol with subsonic ammunition is fine weapon, for the job it's intended for.

Fine, use what you wish. I'll stick with my .38 special loaded with hollow points.

392 W-lover  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:31:18pm

savage-

Mind you I didn't ask "will he", I asked "can he".

393 Shaken  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:31:30pm

before the lefties get all huffy about gun control, they ought to take a squint at how well it's working in Toronto

anyway, the subtle message from the MSM is going to be that his anger was justified by Israel's disproportionate response - the perp was a victim of his own justifiable rage

394 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:31:47pm
#364 realwest

if Verizon installs the jacks (even though they charge you an arm and a leg for each one) they own them and you can't pass them on to the next tenant unless that tenant is also using Verizon.

You should ask Jewels. He's the phone expert. For land lines, a jack's a jack, no mystery, by law, anyone, including amateurs, can install one. I had an electrician put one in for me.

/don't know about wireless, but it sounds like a scam

395 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:33:28pm

#385 -

We're moving too - buying a house. Madness. The ads that I have seen indicate that you can use any old phone and show one of the wireless jobs in the ad. I don't think the phone itself needs to be right near the computer. Prices were pretty reasonable too - about half what land-line basic service runs here.

396 Geepers  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:33:36pm

zulubaby (#382),

I don't think the concern is over offending muslims as much as it is to protect them.

America does have the death penalty. And we aren't so far removed from lynchings.

Or .22 caliber pistols with subsonic ammunition.

397 zulubaby  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:33:40pm

NuclearTinkerbell (#383)

Thanks for posting that. I mean looking at those picture, who wouldn't be inspired to shoot 5 Jewish women?

398 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:34:37pm

#376 Dahveed

#361 republic

"He would say that the gun's purpose is to kill.

All I know is that I may not own a gun, but I am sure as hell making a donation to the NRA. There's no way I am letting anyone take the guns away from those that know how to use them."

Dahveed,

Any firearms purpose, is to fire a projectile down the barrel of the firearm.

That is where the firearms purpose ends, in, and of itself.

The person who fires that firearm, is the one who took the action to pull or squeeze the trigger.

Ask them, then, if baseball bats, and automobiles should then be banned, because of the deaths that people cause while using them, also.

My analogy of the pencil not causing misspelling, is that a pencil, sharpened, could be a serious weapon if someone decided to use it that way.

I guess some leftist kooks never will get it.

I don't have any friends, or aquaintences, or family, with the lone exception of one sister, who doesn't fully understand the 2nd Amendment, and what it is really for.

I need to know exactly where people stand, if the crap ever really hits the fan.

399 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:36:03pm
400 Baldy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:36:03pm

387 MJBrutus - Thank you for the refresher. Take care everyone, I may leave any minute. Long day.

401 Bubbaman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:36:04pm

How will CAIR distance itself from this latest act against Joos. Read their website - all of the anti-Israel rhetoric and allegations of Islamophobia. Any wonder the Islamofascists are shooting in this country?


I say lock and load - the nihlistic death-cult is bringing the battle here.

402 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:36:19pm

#391 markx

Fine, use what you wish. I'll stick with my .38 special loaded with hollow points.

I love my .38 special. Daughter swears by her .357, son by his .45, and husband by his 9 mm.

Even though the kids have moved out, I think we've probably got a good 8 or so firearms per person here.

/Don't even know.

403 Shaken  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:36:42pm

how a real muslim man deals with women

404 W-lover  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:37:02pm

Swamps-

Some good representation going on there; just came right out and represented Islam as a chickenshit religion where a man needs a firearm to take on pregnant women.

Yes- it is representative. Hopefully this will open a few blind eyes out there.

/Wonder what the KKKoslams are writing in their sick diaries tonight...

405 stormhit  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:37:50pm

#249 Killgore Trout

Taking the other things that DemocraticLuntz posted, I'm almost 100% certain that comment was sarcasm based.

He also has a post saying:

"Yeah.

Shooting Jewish protestors outside of a Jewish Community Center.

Not anti-Semitic at all."

Although I guess the sarcasm's pretty heavy in that statement too.

406 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:38:37pm

#396 Geepers

I don't think the concern is over offending muslims as much as it is to protect them.

America does have the death penalty. And we aren't so far removed from lynchings.

Or .22 caliber pistols with subsonic ammunition.

Yep. EXACTLY. The rage isn't so very far below the surface.

407 W-lover  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:38:42pm

It's all good savage.

I honestly would like to know if it's 6 assaults.

408 Daisy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:38:45pm

Bastards.

409 Geepers  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:39:03pm

markx (#391),

I do have a 1911A1 loaded alternately with FMJ/hollow points always near my right hand.

But I wouldn't use it in the dead of night. ;-).

410 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:40:52pm

And it is rage.

411 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:42:07pm

#409 Geepers

But I wouldn't use it in the dead of night. ;-).

Yeah, especially if you don't sleep alone and are prone to nightmares.

412 mattm  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:43:31pm

Hope the FBI is watching closely.

413 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:44:03pm

#398 republic

I 100% agree with you. Guns are merely tools. Take away the guns and the bad guys will come up with a different tool to suit their nefarious purpose.

I remember during one of the presidential debates John Kerry wanted to pass a new assault weapons ban. He was told by Iowa police that the weapons were making their jobs more difficult. All I could think was that criminals really don't care that there is an assault weapons ban. They are not going to think, "Hey! There is a ban on assault weapons. We can't have these."

Only the twisted liberal mind thinks that getting rid of guns makes people safer.

414 storagemanager  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:44:06pm

410 SwampWoman 7/28/2006 07:40PM PDT
And it is rage

The Koran brings it out...The Koran is hate and a book of war.

415 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:44:20pm

#398 Geepers

Because of where I'm situated in the country, I'm surrounded by "ooh - guns are scary" types, who are convinced I'm some sort of weirod for my very vocal support of the 2nd Amendment.

Whenever I'm listening to them spout their nonsense, all I can think is "someday - you'll think to yourself, KT was right... and it may be the last thought you ever have".

Does that make me a bad person?

416 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:44:25pm
#385 realwest

I'm already on cable internet and will be in NC as well. But as for internet phone, could only get that if it doesn't need to be near a computer and looks and acts like a "real" land line phone

According to the annoying Vonage commercials, VOIP works just like a land line, unless, of cousrse, you ever plan on dialing 911. Again, you really need to talk to Jewels.

/and I may add that Vonage has officially wrecked the Woo Hoo song, and possibly Kill Bill I with it

417 Darwin Akbar  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:44:42pm

...and how long before the headlines read "Shooting in Seattle Raises Fears of Anti-Muslim Backlash"?

...tomorrow night?

...tomorrow morning?

...over at Kos right now?

418 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:44:52pm

#405 stormhit
That could be, it's tough to tell over there. I just refreshed and scrolled through again and reminded myself that their rating system is a complete disaster (left# is positive, right# is troll ratings). Once a post is troll rated it will soon disapear, only to be seen by elite Koskidz, who will then tell the normal Koskidz how offensive the komment was. They're all troll rating each other like crazy, unfourtunately the Jew lovers are outnumbered.

419 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:44:59pm

#398 My analogy of the pencil not causing misspelling, is that a pencil, sharpened, could be a serious weapon if someone decided to use it that way.

I am a MEAN shot with my Grandma's solid oak rolling pin at 30 paces or so. Ask my ex, who still wears the scar from the only time he ever dared to hit me.

420 markx  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:45:27pm

#402 SwampWoman

To each their own, LOL. But for home defense, nothing beats a good 12 gauge pump.

(I just love it then a thread turns into gun & ammo threads. Charles is probably pulling his hair about now.)

421 amyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:45:52pm

402 swampwoman. So, if the shiite hits the fan while my husband's overseas, can the kiddies and I come see "grandma and grandpa swampie?" I have a weapon...bring it with me.

422 Bob's Kid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:45:55pm
The idea of an armed man deliberately going in and targeting unarmed women isn't going to play real well to a large part of the populace.

No, Swamps, but unfortunately there is another way too large part of the populace who will do as Dahveed's friend did and make excuses.

I can't think of a single thing to say to get those sorts of folks to OPEN THEIR DARN EYES!

423 laserjock  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:45:56pm

Too bad he was captured and not killed. Now we'll have to coddle the sonofabitch through all of his various motions and appeals until he is finally sentenced to "life" in a club fed around 2009.

Something about a strong horse and a weak horse.

424 rickl  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:46:00pm
#289 code red 21 7/28/2006 06:47PM PDT

..as Michale Savage said on his radio program every Jew needs a 22


Screw that. Get a .45.

425 W-lover  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:46:11pm

403 Shaken-

That's very honorable to call for True Feminism to help the oppressed women of islam, but good luck. My "feminist" friend has done nothing but try to qualify the actions taken against muslim women by pointing fingers in every direction but Mecca.

426 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:48:40pm

It will be interesting to see if the LLL Dems who are 95-100% anti-gun voters in Congress, will blame the shooter, or the gun, or President Bush, or islamofascism, in this situation.

I'd put my money on that they blame President Bush 1st, guns 2nd, the shooter, maybe, and islamofascism, not at all.

1 and 2 are kind of a tossup.

Thank goodness that President just signed the right to keep and bare arms for legal law abiding citizens in any national emergency, so the government can't break the Constitutional law, like they did during Katrina, and confiscate them!

427 scorched earth 138  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:50:46pm

9/11, The LAX El-Al shooting ,John Muhammad and his butt buddy Lee Malvo, the Iranian turd burglar who tried to run people overin an SUV at UNC-Chapel Hill, and now this atrocity in Seattle... It's open season on us infidels according to the practicioners of the "religion of peace".
Get your CCW if you live in a State with sane gun laws, I got mine!

428 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:51:20pm

#425 - My "feminist" friend has done nothing but try to qualify

She must be a young "feminist" rather than an old one. This new generation all seems to have caught the victim virus.

429 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:51:25pm

#420 markx

Hey! I've got one of those! (they don't call it the Persuader for nothing)

430 abolitionist  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:52:14pm

Mike Savage (talk radio) says he'll soon have an update on the shooting in Seattle in the Jewish sector.

431 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:53:21pm

#423 lazerjock

"Too bad he was captured and not killed. Now we'll have to coddle the sonofabitch through all of his various motions and appeals until he is finally sentenced to "life" in a club fed around 2009.

Something about a strong horse and a weak horse."

lazerjock,

At the rate that kook leftist activist judges, and the kook left politicians let murderers and child rapists off, or don't pass effectual laws, it wouldn't surprise me if he's eventually released, because of the "opression of muslim" everywhere.

This kook will have the best attorneys' that CAIR can buy!

It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

432 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:53:30pm

#427 scorched earth

Get your CCW if you live in a State with sane gun laws, I got mine!

Nope. It's the principle of the thing. And I don't like to be on a list.

/And my weapons are untraceable.

433 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:54:57pm
434 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:55:03pm

#430 - Jewish sector? I did not know that we had any Jewish sectors in the United States. I was under the impression that discrimination in housing on the basis or race, religion, color or sex was illegal in the United States.

435 Cartman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:55:03pm

#398 republic

All I know is that I may not own a gun, but I am sure as hell making a donation to the NRA. There's no way I am letting anyone take the guns away from those that know how to use them."

I would strongly urge the rest of us Lizards, gun enthusiasts or not to do the same. Let's forget guns for a moment. The NRA is one of the last of a dying breed of American interest groups that has the teeth (and balls) to oppose the growing social revisionist movement hell-bent on butchering our Constitutional rights and freedoms.

/rant off

436 W-lover  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:55:26pm

428 granny-

She's an All-About-Abortion feminist. Never mind Real Women's Rights, like the right to live.

437 msdixie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:55:41pm

Damn! I have family in Seattle. It's a big jihadi town. Near Mt Baker, it was creepy to see the somali women all baged up. M.L.K. Ave is bad too. The family moved up north last year and I'm so relieved.

The jihad has been going on all over the U.S. since 9/11. I have kept files of all the incidents throughout the country and its astounding how many there have been. And I'm sure the FBI and Homeland Security, et al are right on top of all this. Yeah, sure they are. They have all the info but do they understand it's going to be death by a thousand cuts until Amadi-jihadi gets his death ray launched?

The only answer is community militias.

438 biff  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:55:49pm

Maybe most muslim women are willing and knowing adherents and participants. They know and accept their role of producing the next generation of jihadists. As arafat said, the war will be won in the womb of palestinian women.

439 USA  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:56:38pm

Dead Jew in Seattle. The paleos must be dancing in the streets.

*spit*

440 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:58:02pm
#429 Killer Tomato

Hey! I've got one of those! (they don't call it the Persuader for nothing)

Ah, the universal "racking" sound.

/says retreat or die!

441 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:58:04pm

423 laserjock

Too bad he was captured and not killed. Now we'll have to coddle the sonofabitch through all of his various motions and appeals until he is finally sentenced to "life" in a club fed around 2009.

Actually, I want him alive. In my little paradise, he's force fed bacon the rest of his life, watches Porky Pig cartoons, has Piglet posters all over his cell, and must listen to Michael Savage, Dennis Prager and Michael Medved everyday until his death.

442 W-lover  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:58:24pm

biff-

Maybe most muslim women are willing and knowing adherents and participants.

When it's all you're taught, sure you're "willing".

443 Geepers  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:58:40pm

SwampWoman (#406),

The rage isn't so very far below the surface.

And best not sparked. "Now ya done pissed me off" in the United States is served up with a big ole heapin' helpin' of coldy calculated effect based in knowledge ain it?

444 restitutor orbis  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:59:34pm

Glad to hear the pregnant woman was the one that caught it in the arm. A small miracle. I doubt that was where he meant to shoot her.

445 ferris  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5:59:51pm

Is this a joke?:

FBI spokesman David Gomez said officials believe the suspect acted alone and is not affiliated with a foreign organization.

According to the story the 911 call came in at 4:03 local time and the story was posted at 7:28. So in 3 hours and 25 minutes (less really) they figured this out?

Wow, they must be frigin' genisues. Nothing to see here kiddies, move along!

Oh wait there are these tidbits...

-a shooting at the Jewish Federation
-the suspect is a 31-year-old Pakistani man
-According to the Seattle Times, a man got through security at the Jewish Federation and told staff members, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel,"

Do these Inspector Clouseau wannabees even know what terrorism is?

And why isn't this on the national news channels? It's not like they mind cover local stories when it's a big fire, a police chase or missing woman. But this? Nah, not interested.

How exactly are we going to win this war if we pretend that the enemy within doesn't exist?

Now I am just going to wiat for instructions for CAIR about how they mustn’t be a backlash against Muslims because as we all know Muslims are always victims.

446 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:00:20pm

#420 markx

To each their own, LOL. But for home defense, nothing beats a good 12 gauge pump.

Heh. Mossberg 8-shell magazine.

447 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:00:50pm

#436 - "All About Abortion"feminist

Ah, then she is a traitor to the cause. Real feminists, all the way back to our founding mother Abigail Adams, are concerned with woman's right of self determination rather than "just abortion."

448 6patrick6  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:01:09pm

Of course, this will be declared "no terrorism involved" despite the gunmans nationality and the location of the victims at the time of the shooting spree.

We don't want to cast aspersions, do we?
/sarc

Adherents of the RoP wouldn't dare use force, now, because they are oppressed and powerless!
/my ass!

449 baier  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:01:31pm
Each suffered gunshot wounds to the abdomen, knee, groin or arm.

Is it just me or does it seem like he wanted to cause the most pain he could. I can't imagine getting shot at all, but the groin, knee, and abdomen are on the short list of places I do not wnt to get shot.

450 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:01:59pm

#435 Cartman

"#398 republic

All I know is that I may not own a gun, but I am sure as hell making a donation to the NRA. There's no way I am letting anyone take the guns away from those that know how to use them."
I would strongly urge the rest of us Lizards, gun enthusiasts or not to do the same. Let's forget guns for a moment. The NRA is one of the last of a dying breed of American interest groups that has the teeth (and balls) to oppose the growing social revisionist movement hell-bent on butchering our Constitutional rights and freedoms.

/rant off"

Cartman, I owm plenty of firepower, I was responding to the person that posted, to which I replied.

Those were his words, I was trying to give him some ammo to talk to the leftist anti-gun kooks who he was having trouble trying to convince of "guns are the problem"

I am 100% safe, and taken care of.

My personal home protection is a variety of firearms, primarily a 12guage 3-1/2" magnum, which will take a 12" diameter swath out of pretty much anything, anywhere in my home, with the exception of walls.

I'm covered.

But, I would encourage everyone to join the NRA, because they are the real deal, and they are the primary reason, other than John Bolton and President Bush, that the kook LLL U.N. gungrab treaty hasn't gotten their vague language in the U.N. gun ban treaty, which would allow a LLL President to bypass everything legal, to take America's privately owned citizens firearms.

That is a fact.

Join the NRA now!

451 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:02:32pm

#443 Geepers

And best not sparked. "Now ya done pissed me off" in the United States is served up with a big ole heapin' helpin' of coldy calculated effect based in knowledge ain it?

Yep.

452 annelid[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:02:42pm
453 Bob's Kid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:03:21pm
I am a MEAN shot with my Grandma's solid oak rolling pin at 30 paces or so. Ask my ex, who still wears the scar from the only time he ever dared to hit me.

Good for you, Granny!

Unfortunately, nowadays, it's the defender wielding the rolling pin who gets in trouble and the sympathy goes to the husband (or the muslim wielding the gun/bomb/rocket/whatever) who deserved what he got.

454 W-lover  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:03:24pm

Granny-

Real feminists, all the way back to our founding mother Abigail Adams, are concerned with woman's right of self determination rather than "just abortion."

You have endeared yourself to me. Welcome to LGF, BTW.

455 marjoriemoon  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:03:35pm

Jpost reported a warning to Jews on the 23rd to keep an eye out as sleeper cells awake. Charles may have picked up on this already.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

It would seem it's an isolated incident, but we shall see. Not that it makes a difference, but it goes to show you this call to Jihad has its effect.

I'm not a fan of the Kahanists. Not many Jews are. We're a peaceful people by nature, even if we do have one one bad-ass army. The Kahanists are Jewish terrorists even if Meir Kahane was right-on about a few things.

456 sadhu  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:04:11pm

I've been thinking more and more that the MSM and government authorities know that if they don't cover up and play down the news and truth about these --- animals --- the outrage an intelligent person feels about the Islamofacist bs isn't something that can be contained when the lid finally does get blown off. Plus they are scared for their own lives. The media have no courage and no integrity -- and no adherence to truth. Funny how they think the average person is so stupid. THEY ARE SO WRONG.

The US, the UK, Australia, Israel, and a few others with less power, as a whole, are the most generous, kind, forgiving ... and absolutely the most savage people on the planet if push comes to shove.

WATCH OUT you bearded head-wrapped black-draped wonders. You don't know who the fxxk you are messing with. Bush and Blair know. So does any reasonable fair-minded person. Which most of us are. So do all the smarmy politicians angling for money and votes and booze and pussy. EVERYBODY KNOWS the truth of the situation we face in their heart of hearts.

We're about to get medieval on ya.

I've been a peaceful, meditating, yoga streching, veggie eating nerd for 35 years. Enough is enough. Bomb Iran. Bomb Syria. Secure the WMD in the Bekaa Valley. Before Aug 21.

Peace out.

457 abolitionist  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:05:05pm

#434 galloping granny 7/28/2006 07:55PM PDT

#430 - Jewish sector? ...

I'm pretty sure I got the quote right; his phrase.

Just heard the Seattle shootings story reported on WRVA (radio, Richmond) 11 oclock news.

458 6patrick6  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:05:43pm

The FBI also declared last Fall's "boomer sooner" suicide bomber at the OU football game someone that "just committed suicide with no intention of hurting anyone but himself" a non-terror event within hours.

What a crock of shit.

Remember the "suspicious" oil tank farm fires in Texas and Oklahoma recently? As they were burning, "no terrorism cause" was the first thing out of investigators' mouths.

I don't believe a word they say.

459 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:05:46pm

#448 Of course, this will be declared "no terrorism involved" despite the gunmans nationality and the location of the victims at the time of the shooting spree.

Until these incidents come at the rate of one or more a day rather than just often enough that the majority have forgotten the last such event by the time the next occurs, this is exactly what they are going to say.

Can you imagine the uproar that would be heard throughout this land if anyone in the government actually dared to stand up and call a spade a spade?

460 really grumpy big dog johnson  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:07:23pm

Charles

Note to the wise. Include all "instant terror" attacks by Muslims against pregnant women.

I've seldom seen such a topic balloon to over 300 posts in this short a time. Must have punched the button.

But really, get used to it, people.

Cause du rigor?

461 Daisy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:07:29pm

My son and his wife live in downtown Seattle. Their apartment building is in the cordoned off area. The ignorance and hatred of the ROP knows no bounds.

462 Cartman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:07:30pm

Trust me. In the here and now, your CCW license protects you from many criminal and civil liabilities that you might otherwise be subjected to. Especially if it was issued/approved by a law enforcement official, as mine was. My instructor has successfully testified in court on behalf of several of his students who have had no alternative but to use deadly force in self-defense. In this crazy world that we live in, the perps still often have the upper hand, from a legal perspective. Especially when it relates to home invasion. Just the way it is.

463 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:08:11pm
#332 Stop Hillary 7/28/2006 07:05PM PDT
Also folks. Heads up. The Dems are going to use this terrorist act as a basis to ban firearms so that law-abiding citizens cannot protect themselves. Count on it.

This cannot be repeated too many times!

The LLL will use every case of criminal misuse of a firearm as an excuse to disarm the law-abiding citizens.
Does anyone here really believe that a law that bans guns will stop someone who is willing to ignore the law that bans murder? (rhetorical question, lizards need not answer)

//NRA Life Member

464 stuiec  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:08:40pm

As of 8PM Pacific on Friday, 7.28: no mention of the incident on the CAIR website.

Hmmm... doesn't this incident have the potential to impact American-Islamic relations? (Or are Jews not American enough?)

465 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:09:21pm

#459 galloping granny

Can you imagine the uproar that would be heard throughout this land if anyone in the government actually dared to stand up and call a spade a spade?

The government is worried about burning mosques and mass murder of Islamic citizens. And I think the dipshits are trying to provoke the same thing.

466 ladycatnip  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:09:34pm

I'm mad as hell. After raising three kids without guns in the house, it's time for us to start buying them.

You can tell the FBI has been trained to be sensitive per CAIR's instructions. Remember the shooting at LAX's EL AL ticket counter? It was a Muslim killing a Jew. If we allow this to continue, it'll be a group of Jews here, a small group there.

This IS terrorism.

467 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:09:42pm

#459 galloping granny

Can you imagine the uproar that would be heard throughout this land if anyone in the government actually dared to stand up and call a spade a spade?

Rick Santorum just did a few days ago, and he got grilled for it.

He called islamofascism the root problem, not "terrorism", or, he called it islamofascist terrorism, and he got grilled!

He said that just calling it "the war on terror" doesn't cut it, it is really Islamofascism, and he got about, pitchfork and lantern treatment.

468 jacka  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:10:48pm

Washington has the death penalty.

It'll be interesting to see if they make use of it in this case.

469 Geepers  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:11:45pm

Killer Tomato (#35),

Because of where I'm situated in the country, I'm surrounded by "ooh - guns are scary" types, who are convinced I'm some sort of weirod for my very vocal support of the 2nd Amendment.

Guns are scary.

They give anyone who holds one the power of life and death.

And the resposability that goes with it.

Most people shun that resposability.

Ask them if they want to abrogate that responsability to someone else.

470 tuckunderbreak  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:11:56pm

A Paki muslim. What exactly was it doing in the US running around loose on its hind legs?

471 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:12:53pm

#454 - Abigail

Abby Adams has always been one of my favorite personalities. At the time the Constitution was being written all property owners in Massachusetts were allowed to vote - including women. Abby owned quite some bit of property and she was rather used to voting and having her say in matters.

She and old John had a knock-down/drag out or two over the inclusion of women's suffrage in the Constitution. It was finally omitted because other states flatly wouldn't agree to it.


/thanks :)

472 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:12:56pm

#467 republic

Yip. And in no time, there was an op-ed piece on Al-Jazeera's (sp?) website seething about it and urging readers to vote Democrat.

473 big L  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:13:49pm

Just like that a**hole on July 4 2002 that shot up the El Al ticket booth in LAX. this guy had leaflets in his apt and a banner of the balcony and it was really swept under the rug at the time. Tho I think it got a page 44 story later.

474 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:14:26pm

#463 Da Beerfreak

#332 Stop Hillary 7/28/2006 07:05PM PDT
Also folks. Heads up. The Dems are going to use this terrorist act as a basis to ban firearms so that law-abiding citizens cannot protect themselves. Count on it.
This cannot be repeated too many times!

The LLL will use every case of criminal misuse of a firearm as an excuse to disarm the law-abiding citizens.
Does anyone here really believe that a law that bans guns will stop someone who is willing to ignore the law that bans murder? (rhetorical question, lizards need not answer)

//NRA Life Member

And also, to counter any LLL Democrat spin, when they say that many Dem Congressman/woman just voted in favor of the law that Pres. Bush just signed to keep government from taking our firearms in any national emergency,

That 99% of those LLL Dems, if you look into their gun voting records, vote 95-100% anti-gun, since they've been in office.

Hillary Clinton voted against that bill, by the way.

That also can't be said enough.

Like I said, there were LLL Dems who voted for the bill, but their gun voting records are 95-100% anti-gun!

Say it loud, and often!

The left may be the death of a free America.

475 Cartman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:14:59pm

#450 republic

Cartman, I owm plenty of firepower, I was responding to the person that posted, to which I replied.

So sorry. I get confused when partial posts appear to originate from the same poster. The "Quote" tag, that Charles has so graciously supplied us with seems to be of great utility in determining just who said what.

476 SpartanWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:15:39pm

#437 msdixie 7/28/2006 07:55PM PDT

Damn! I have family in Seattle. It's a big jihadi town. Near Mt Baker, it was creepy to see the somali women all baged up. M.L.K. Ave is bad too. The family moved up north last year and I'm so relieved.

The jihad has been going on all over the U.S. since 9/11. I have kept files of all the incidents throughout the country and its astounding how many there have been. And I'm sure the FBI and Homeland Security, et al are right on top of all this. Yeah, sure they are. They have all the info but do they understand it's going to be death by a thousand cuts until Amadi-jihadi gets his death ray launched?

The only answer is community militias.



I hope they are on it even better now..most organizations do not have armed security, or security of any sort. I wonder about religious schools and such. Not a very satisfactory state of affairs if you happen to be Jewish

477 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:15:50pm

#472 Killer Tomato

#467 republic

Yip. And in no time, there was an op-ed piece on Al-Jazeera's (sp?) website seething about it and urging readers to vote Democrat.

That would make a very good campaign commercial for the GOP!

478 baier  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:16:25pm

#464 stuiec

As of 8PM Pacific on Friday, 7.28: no mention of the incident on the CAIR website.

They're still thinking of a way to spin it. "This man does not represent all Muslims, he was acting on his own and we condemn it, BUT how do you expect Muslims to feel when Israel in commiting acts of terror at will"--or something like that... Meanwhile CAIR will represent him in court "because otherwise he won't get a fair trial"...

479 rw in san diego  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:16:31pm

#465 Swamp Woman

I think you're right. They value no life...not even their own, especially in pursuit of those damn virgins.

480 Bob's Kid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:17:24pm
Washington has the death penalty.

It'll be interesting to see if they make use of it in this case.

Hm. My daughter and I were just wondering about that, and I was about to google it. We'll see how it goes.

481 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:18:23pm

#469 Geepers


Guns are scary.

They give anyone who holds one the power of life and death.

And the resposability that goes with it.

Most people shun that resposability.

Ask them if they want to abrogate that responsability to someone else.

And that, sir/madam, goes to the very heart of the issue. They don't want to have to be responsible for their own safety - they want someone else to. It falls right in line with their nanny state view of the world - THEY shouldn't have to worry about anything or actually take responsibility for anything - someone else (read: government) should.

482 Bay54  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:18:32pm

Someone asked about upcoming Pro Israel rallies in NYC area -here is one
RALLY in New York, NY
DATE: August 1st
TIME: 8PM
VENUE: Fifth Ave. Synagogue, 5 E. 62nd St.
NOTE: Evening of Solidarity for Israel and Remembering Gush Katif - free admission

CONTACT: Helen Freedman, ghfree@aol.com, 917-886-0729

Check with standwithus.com for more info.

483 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:18:42pm
484 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:19:26pm
#468 jacka

Washington has the death penalty.

It'll be interesting to see if they make use of it in this case.

Doesn't seem like the type of State that would go for the death penalty but I'll take your word for it. That said, murder, multiple counts of attempted murder. clear motive, on scene confession to multiple witnesses . . .

/what's not to like?

485 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:20:19pm
#361 republic 7/28/2006 07:18PM PDT
#353 Dahveed

The next time that you have to listen to a leftist kook tell you that guns are any kind of problem, ask that person this,

"If you are writing a note on paper, and you misspell a word, was it the pencil that caused it!"

The left may be the death of America.

Here is one of my favorites.
Should matches be banned to prevent arson?

486 Baldy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:20:25pm

FWIW - This was the #1 news story on the news break on my local talk radio station (Fox News does the news, it's the reporters from the national TV channel). Good night everyone.

487 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:20:39pm

#477 That would make a very good campaign commercial for the GOP!

And we might all want to remember that Howard Dean came pretty darned close to the Democratic nomination last time because of blog power.

It is not too early by a long shot to start exercising our power to counteract the MSM, especially in light of the fall elections.

488 Bay54  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:20:50pm

Also, for all Christians and others here -check Christians for Fairwitness in the Middle East -the Director is a Roman Catholic nun and an atty and she is brilliant and dedicated.
I am not sure if rallies are posted but Sister has done an amazing job in turning other Christian denominations around in their purposed divestment in Israel.
Christians for Fair Witness

489 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:21:36pm

I don't know why any of you are surprised or scared about this (remember the guy shooting up the El Al counter at LAX?), and I don't know why anybody would think a Hezbo cell would settle for small potatoes like running around a Jewish community center with a handgun.

If Hezbo here in the US goes "active" we'll be seeing large truck bombings and school sieges, not individuals shooting two here and two there. Their US operations are too much of a cash cow to risk losing over just one or two dead bodies.

This looks like another case of Sudden Jihad Syndrome. I would be highly skeptical of somebody in an active terror cell being that hot-headed that he'd risk blowing everything his cell might be doing, over ten minutes of spontaneous Joo Shooting.

490 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:21:36pm
491 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:24:03pm

#483 ploome

Now I had read about those phone calls from Israel several days ago, but I heard nothing about "broken Arabic." Accented, yes, but not broken. As far as I know Israel has always had a number of citizens that spoke Arabic quite fluently.

More hogwash.

492 Amalie  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:24:10pm

265 Religion Of Goat Herds

I like your nic...

493 big L  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:24:28pm

32-Missouri Boy-Yes I think so too. Each one of the terror rallies that charles put up a couple of days ago, were all in strict gun control cities or countries.

Seems to me that an antidorte might be allowing the populace to carry weapons.Might back off allthese terroraa-symps.

494 Cartman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:24:37pm

Food for thought. Go and ask any cop their opinion on concealed carry. I almost guarantee four out of five will tell you they approve. To quote many who have been posed the question - "Makes my job a little easier. Too many bad guys, and not enough of me to go around".

495 theheat  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:24:48pm

And the POS is probably sitting in a King ****y jail right now, demanding his Koran, having his meals prepared a certain way, and his magic carpet to pray on - and the spineless leaders we have are running to make sure his every need is taken care of, while CAIR looks over their shoulder and screams "racism".

You know damn well if he - heaven forbid - shot a cop - that bastard would be on a slab at the morgue, already.

496 biff  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:24:50pm

btw, this attack came on the first Friday in the islamic month of Rajab (second day of the month). Wanna bet the jihadi had just left his local mosque?

497 realwest  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:24:53pm

Well youse'all it's been an, um, interesting day in the world. But this ole boy's tired and has to get to bed.
Hope to see you all tomorrow.

And Amyc - thanks for the e-mail - I did reply!

Goodnight, everyone.

498 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:25:04pm

#475 Cartman

#450 republic

Cartman, I owm plenty of firepower, I was responding to the person that posted, to which I replied.
So sorry. I get confused when partial posts appear to originate from the same poster. The "Quote" tag, that Charles has so graciously supplied us with seems to be of great utility in determining just who said what.

Cartman, I'm sorry, and I know what you mean, because I feel the same way.

Every once in a while, the "quote" tag doesn't work, the "error" message comes up, and usually if I press "Yes" I want to continue running scripts, it still allows me to use the "quote" tag

It stopped working, intil I logged off, and then back on.

Sorry for the hideous explanation.

:D

499 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:26:02pm

#497 realwest

Goodnight realwest.

Take care my friend, and I will send some effectual prayers your way.

500 galloping granny  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:26:52pm

#489 - Sudden Jihad Syndrome.

LOL! I agree. A dedicated Hizballah opertive is much too "valuable" to give up for a few pot shots. This must be part of their required "personal struggle."

501 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:27:30pm
502 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:27:46pm

#497

Night, realwest.

503 Cartman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:31:41pm

#498 republic

It's all good, my friend!

504 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:32:19pm
#495 theheat

And the POS is probably sitting in a King ****y jail right now, demanding his Koran, having his meals prepared a certain way, and his magic carpet to pray on

Jail isn't prison/death row and, in any case, he ain't getting any special treatment for a while yet, at a minimum. He's going to need a lawyer.

/can't wait to see who comes to his rescue, if anyone

505 dhimmishelter  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:33:48pm

I realize that I do not deserve points for insight on this one (from post 24)

Also, Seattle police say at this point they don't yet have a motive for the attack on the Jewish Federation.

Uh-huh, right. Think I might have a notion about why, and may even be able to predict to near certainty the so-called religious faith of these Jew killing thugs.

And this just in:

he man identified himself as an American Muslim.

Again, no points for suspect profiling here, however it is bad when one can now almost predict with certainty who carries out attacks on unarmed civliians anywhere in the world.

Now they are doing it here, buses and subways are next. Just part of the broad strata of society, like Canada, UK, Austrailia, Beslan, etc.

506 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:33:48pm

I don't know how many have actually been to Israel, but I was there about 10 years ago and saw something that I must say shocked me. Lots of soldiers carrying their rifles in public. But that was not the shocking part. The shocking part was that many of the soldiers were blond, leggy females that looked like they came out of Maxim Magazine. I swear, nothing is more sexy than a model-type carrying an automatic weapon.

507 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:34:18pm

Somebody earlier asked how he got into the building. This from AP


The gunman, who employees said claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel, forced his way through the security door at the Jewish Federation after an employee had punched in her security code, said Marla Meislin-Dietrich, a co-worker who was not at the building at the time.

Staff members said they overheard him saying "'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,' before opening fire on everyone," Meislin-Dietrich said. "He was randomly shooting at everyone."

Police would not confirm the account.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060729/ap_on_re_us/se attle_shooting

508 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:35:35pm
#432 SwampWoman 7/28/2006 07:53PM PDT
#427 scorched earth

Get your CCW if you live in a State with sane gun laws, I got mine!

Nope. It's the principle of the thing. And I don't like to be on a list.

/And my weapons are untraceable.

I’m with SwampWoman on this one.
Officially, I don’t have anything. {:-)

509 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:37:38pm

SwampMan is PISSED. Wonders what is next, day care centers?

510 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:37:38pm

# 489 Pawn of the Oppressor

Could be an act of "probing".

Checking to see what the local, state, national reaction is going to be.

These kooks aren't afraid to go to jail, or get injured, or even die, so, a prison, or jail sentence isn't going to mean squat to one, or a few, if this continues on a small scale.

If and when any cells attack on a large scale, it will be in a way that they think we will least expect it.

All they will really care about is carrying out as much caos as they can make, because, is this country really ready for groups of islamofascist terror cells taking to action in however many cities they would try it in?

I will never underestimate the insanity or insane tactics of these butchers.

Be vigilant, because the media wouldn't have a F$%^ing clue as to what to do/cover, if all hell broke out here.

Never underestimate these animals!

511 Cartman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:38:38pm

#501 ploome

The guy who tends the indoor range that I frequent is a relatively young Marine who served in Afghanistan. Shattered elbow and knee. Dude has taught me so much, just from B.S.'n and shooting with him, that it's unreal. There's no substitute for real-time experience!

512 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:39:02pm

493,

32-Missouri Boy-Yes I think so too. Each one of the terror rallies that charles put up a couple of days ago, were all in strict gun control cities or countries.

Right on. I was wondering if anybody else saw the correlation and noted the irony. The guy filming the rally in Boston got a verbal death threat from one of the POS Leftist Enablers on the scene. I wonder if he'd have the guts to do that if there were greater odds that the person he was bullying had a Glock inside their waistband? Which is entirely probably here in Texas...

I was born and raised in Massachusetts but I left as soon as I was able. The attitude of Mommy "The Commonwealth of" Massachusetts in most cases is to bend you over and tell you you're going to Take It, and you're going to Like It, or Else. The People usually just go right along with it and make up elaborate excuses for why that's the way it should be, and how that somehow makes MA better than everybody else.

You should see the mental meltdown that happens if you try to explain to somebody up there that you want to move to a place where you have the right to self-defense. Out come the arguments about "what good will it do?" "the gvt will protect us" "you're just creating more violence" blah blah blah.

I'm going to pull out a quote I saw here from another commenter that I instantly fell in love with: "Some people would bitch if they weren't hung with a new rope."

513 SwampWoman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:39:21pm

Well, if they're looking for mass pants peeing, they ain't gonna get it.

514 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:39:24pm
515 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:39:53pm

#504 Killian Bundy

/can't wait to see who comes to his rescue, if anyone

I'm sure that CAIR will get him the best attorney that money can buy!

516 TMF  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:40:28pm

I cant believe they didnt smell the fucker.

Jews tend to have good hygeine.

This pig must have stuck out like a sore, b.o. infested thumb.

517 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:40:38pm
#435 Cartman 7/28/2006 07:55PM PDT
#398 republic

All I know is that I may not own a gun, but I am sure as hell making a donation to the NRA. There's no way I am letting anyone take the guns away from those that know how to use them."
I would strongly urge the rest of us Lizards, gun enthusiasts or not to do the same. Let's forget guns for a moment. The NRA is one of the last of a dying breed of American interest groups that has the teeth (and balls) to oppose the growing social revisionist movement hell-bent on butchering our Constitutional rights and freedoms.

/rant off

Right on and Amen!

If we don’t stand up for our rights today we may find that tomorrow was too late.

//NRA Life Member

518 Shaken  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:41:28pm

Didn't take long. Conservatives put the shooter there. He just pulled the trigger.

519 Bob's Kid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:42:04pm
SwampMan is PISSED. Wonders what is next, day care centers?

Didn't someone already do that down in SoCal?

520 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:42:06pm
#508 Da_Beerfreak

Officially, I don’t have anything.

I suppose there's a few ways that could be. At a minimum, I would hope they still have serial numbers.

/'nuff posted on the subject

521 RepJ  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:43:09pm

How many Jews became Republicans today?

522 scotch  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:43:34pm
#509 SwampWoman 7/28/2006 08:37PM PDT
SwampMan is PISSED. Wonders what is next, day care centers?

Tell him patty murray doesn't think so...

523 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:45:07pm

514 savage_nation

Now that's what I'm talkin' about.

524 Stringart  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:45:52pm

#505 dhimmishelter

Again, no points for suspect profiling here, however it is bad when one can now almost predict with certainty who carries out attacks on unarmed civliians anywhere in the world.

The moment I heard of the Toronto arrests, I wondered how many were named Mohammed or Abdul. (Turned out to be 5.)

Does this make me a bigot or a realist?

525 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:46:30pm
#515 republic

I'm sure that CAIR will get him the best attorney that money can buy!

I doubt it. I'd bet public defender.

/if he retains a private attorney, it'll be interesting to see who it is

526 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:48:08pm

516,

Now really, what the hell is up with a comment like that? And you wonder why the Lefties gloat about LGF being a "hate site watched by the FBI."

527 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:48:24pm
528 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:49:39pm

#517 Da_Beerfreak

I'm covered.

The post you responded to had anothers words on it, as well as Cartmans, and I didn't properly note that.

/hideous explanation

529 blutonazi98  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:51:11pm

the golden sombrero has just been reached. a muslim spokesman has now appeared on all 4 local stations proclaiming that a few make all muslim look bad.

530 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:51:40pm

#521 RepJ

How many Jews became Republicans today?

And the leftist wacko kooks claim "Rovian plot" in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

531 scorched earth 138  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:51:43pm

O.k., outside of the big attacks on our soil like Towers '93 and 9/11, now that we've had several shooting incidents...When do these islamoturds start going 'splodey-dope in the shopping malls on us? Things always go from bad to worse with the moHAMedians...

532 marjoriemoon  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:52:32pm

#489 Pawn

If Hezbo here in the US goes "active" we'll be seeing large truck bombings and school sieges, not individuals shooting two here and two there.

My thoughts exactly. And that's what happened in other places, Argentina for one. The funny thing I've been reading is that Hizb doesn't want to be associated with Al Queda. I don't know the crux of all that. They told them to stay away from Lebanon. Has anyone else heard this? Also read in Jpost some reports that play down the chance of Hizb attacking U.S. citizens for fear of being confused with Al Queda.

Anyway, in regards to the article, what the hell happened to security since most reports are saying he slinked by. Not good.

533 dhimmishelter  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:53:19pm
Sources told KING 5 the suspect is a Pakistani man with a criminal background.

They profile themselves. Cwardly animals who shoot women at a charity, one pregnant.

No rush to judgement. Must just be random anger. I am flying tomorrow and if there is a single male, recently shaved beard, travelling withi a similar group of 'south Asian" males on that plane. I'll drive 400 miles instead.

Thank you ACLU for protecting the rights of these beasts, while endangering all of us.

Time for mass round ups, interrogation, deportation, and one way tickets to Club Gitmo. Find out the mosque where these beast prayed to satan, and interrogate every attendee. Better yet, close it.

534 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:53:57pm

#512 Pawn of the Oppressor

Lived there while in college. Around 3am, two men came through the window of my apartment. I was in bed. Phone was in the kitchen. Lived in Boston - had no firearm. Neighbor called the police, who never responded (in fairness, it was probably logged as a burglary).

Now I live in NH. Anyone tries that again, the last thing that'll go through their mind is the hunk of metal that just left the barrel of my gun.

535 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:56:22pm
#474 republic

The left may be the death of a free America.

The left will be the death of us all if it is not defeated!

536 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:56:49pm

#525 Killian Bundy

/if he retains a private attorney, it'll be interesting to see who it is

If it was an offiicalrepresentative of CAIR who just said on all 4 networks, that " a few muslims make all look bad", they probably won't get him an attorney, but if it wasn't a CAIR person, I bet they will hire and pay for his attorney.

Why wouldn't they, this could be a case for CAIR to get some more crap laws passed about...

AW the heck with it.

537 Lousy-ana-Texan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:57:03pm

Charles, Are you getting a trade mark for this? Sudden Jihad Syndrome.

/I know it's a dead thread.

538 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 6:57:26pm

Hi Tomato
How awful! You must have been around 19-20? Geez...
I am so livid still about the shooting I could spit. The size of the thread gives testament to this fury.

539 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:00:02pm

DU post:

I blame this administration for destroying any cohesiveness this country ever had...the travesty that is happening in the Middle East was bound to blowup in America...it was inevitable...



Damn their stupidity!

540 least  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:00:48pm

Re: islamo(c)rappers mentioned in #452:

The AP article quotes their lyrics---

"Elements everyday chemicals at my reach;
Household bleach to extract the potassium;
Chlorate boiling on a hotplate with hate;
recipe for disaster plastic bomb blaster...
I'm strapped up cross my chest bomb belt attached; deeply satisfied with the plan I hatched."

And, as AP is wont to do, jawdroppingly says:

In a twist, the ambiguous rap ends by referring to a government-paid scientist with a "private room in the White House suite"


Ambiguous!? Major maroons.

541 RepJ  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:01:17pm

I will never understand why these people indescriminately hate Jews and why they think their hatred of these good people is justified. My God teaches 'love they neighbor', not 'murder the Jews'.

542 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:02:43pm
543 Bob's Kid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:02:56pm
Some cute Israeli chicks and their weapons.

Some great photos!

/so many of them smoking, though

544 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:03:41pm

#538 St P

Yeah, bad night here. We're pretty much all so livid we could spit.

Actually around 24. Went to school after I got out of the service.

Hope you're well!

545 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:04:29pm

Hi Savage
Hope you are doing well. "Pouring Savage blackberry brandy and club soda"

546 RepJ  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:05:28pm

After some punk came in through my bedroom window when I was a teen, my father showed me how to use his revolver. Then he said, "You shoot, and you don't stop shooting until the person is dead."

Trust me. Nobody's going to make a victim out of this gal. Try that jihadi crap a little closer, Mr. "American" Muslim.

547 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:06:37pm
#536 republic

but if it wasn't a CAIR person, I bet they will hire and pay for his attorney.

We'll see, if he manages to hire a private attorney, we''ll be able to see the affiliations and follow the money. But it'll take paying attention to the details, including what's in court filings but not publicly reported.

/still, my money's on a public defender, there's nothing for a hired gun to do, it's a slam dunk, there's no wiggle room, no Procsecutor in his/her right mind is going to cut a deal in this case, it's going to trial

548 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:08:08pm

A student of mine emailed me while I was away. Perfect timing, considering what is going on. If anyone would like to make a comment to him so he can be inspired to lead in the future, please feel free to respond to him. I am going to change the names, of course. It would be awesome if someone could make a wise comment to him.

Hi Ms. St. Pancake!

I'm having a blast at UT Austin summer school, making A's in both math and chem, and I just randomly thought of you. I had initially thought of you right after the situation in Israel happened, but something else drew my attention that I thought you should hear about.
I saw a flyer that read, "Stop Israeli Oppression in Palestine." I was so enraged, I tore it down. I know it's Austin, but those kind of people just make me angry! Luckily, I haven't met anyone like that so far. There's a much larger Jewish population in Austin than I would've thought! Much larger than CAT HS, at least, ha ha

549 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:09:27pm
550 brenda  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:09:29pm

I have guns and know how to use them. But I spend a lot more time raising hell about this country's suicidal immigration policies than practicing at the local range.

There is no reason on earth for America to continue to welcome likely enemies from the Islamic world (Pakistan, for example) when we are engaged in a long struggle for the survival of our freedoms. Washington still hands out Diversity Visas to terror-sponsoring nations, places like North Korea and Iran -- that's crazy.

Diversity Is Alive and Well at the State Department

It's nothing more than political correctness that keeps Americans from speaking up and saying "Enough enemy immigrants already!" CAIR has been very successful in shutting us up in this way.

Roosevelt didn't welcome Japanese and German immigrants in WWII. He wasn't celebrating their holidays either, while Bush doesn't miss having an annual Ramadan dinner at the White House.

Remember, there's no right to immigrate. Foreigners enter this country at the forbearance of the American people. At least that's how it's supposed to work.

Jews, wake up! Muslim immigration is the worst thing imaginable for you (and the rest of us). America is the last safe place on earth for Jews, and now even that is eroding. Speak up! The last time I heard Steven Steinlight LINK , he said that many Jews were still unrealistic about the Muslim threat, even though the demographics are becoming ugly. Will Muslims have to outnumber Jews in America before anyone realizes there is a problem?

551 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:09:32pm

#539 Dahveed

I blame this administration for destroying any cohesiveness this country ever had...the travesty that is happening in the Middle East was bound to blowup in America...it was inevitable...

The kook left was never been part of any cohesivness in the USA, including right after 9/11.

The day after 9/11 they were spewing their conspirocy theories all over, and balming everyone, except those who truly carried out the attacks of 9/11, which were islamofascist terrorists!

The kook left never has had any clue!

552 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:10:12pm
#520 Killian Bundy 7/28/2006 08:42PM PDT

#508 Da_Beerfreak

Officially, I don’t have anything.


I suppose there's a few ways that could be. At a minimum, I would hope they still have serial numbers.

/'nuff posted on the subject

All are legal. {:-)

553 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:10:19pm

#542 Savage_Nation

I don't know, but maybe Charles can put together an LGF trip to Israel so we can study this phenomenon.

554 Cartman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:11:03pm

#543 bob's kid

/so many of them smoking, though

Oh, no! Where are the Israeli smoke police?

555 Bob's Kid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:11:28pm
Hi Ms. St. Pancake!

Wow! My students call me Miss Bob's Kid!

556 republic  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:12:46pm

Good night all!

Fight the Good fight every moment!

Take care, be safe!

557 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:13:23pm

555 Bob's Kid
ROFLMAO!
Hehe! Very amusing for a terribly upsetting thread. Need a brief smile as I am so dad gum irate now.

558 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:15:37pm
559 Bob's Kid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:15:45pm
Oh, no! Where are the Israeli smoke police?

It's just unfortunate to see healthy young women doing something so...unhealthy. That always saddens me.

560 Cartman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:19:13pm

#550 brenda

There is no reason on earth for America to continue to welcome likely enemies from the Islamic world (Pakistan, for example)

Gotta hand it to 'em, tho. Lost my career calling to a pack of young "south asian" green cards who were paid a lot less than me, and to be honest, were pretty damned technically sharp. As long as they prove or pretend to be corporate or academic "assets", I don't forsee anything changing anytime soon.

561 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:20:16pm
562 Cartman  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:21:20pm

#559 bob's kid

You're right. I was just funnin'. Sure wish I had the gumption to quit. ;)

563 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:21:43pm

561 savage_nation
ROFLMAO! I love that one. The nyuking sound cracks me up. Thanks so much. :D

564 Bob's Kid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:21:49pm
Hehe! Very amusing for a terribly upsetting thread. Need a brief smile as I am so dad gum irate now.

Me too. Sick to my stomach, in fact. I think I need to go read a good bool...got a good one from the library that you would probably like--Infamous scribblers: The founding fathers and the rowdy beginnings of American journalism. Better than hashing this frustration any more this evening!

565 BarCodeKing  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:22:24pm

And the asshole Muslim didn't even have the decency to shoot himself at the end? What a pussy! No 72 raisins for you, hopefully just a big, horny cellmate who doesn't like Muslims. Don't drop the soap, Pali pal!

566 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:22:32pm
#552 Da_Beerfreak

All are legal. {:-)

Good to hear. I just don't want Charles to start getting calls from the ATF because people are confessimg to Federal firarms felonies on LGF.

/th FBI is bad enough

567 Shaken  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:22:34pm

As I finish out this day, I find myself hoping that the FBI is successful in investigating the suspect, his motivations, and his motivators. Of course, my thoughts are primarily with the families of the victims. This is so saddening.

I also hope that our response to this tragedy adheres to the principles on which America was built and has been so successful. America is a nation of considerable strength and durability, based on noble ideas.

The war on Islamic terrorism is going to be won based on information, not brute force alone. We have to have better data than them, and be better at using it than they are. Let's keep this in mind as we calculate how to respond.

568 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:22:36pm

#558 Savage_Nation

Up close observation would be nice, but perhaps dangerous...lol


Honestly, I don't think the girls will be in much danger from me. I'm pretty harmless.

569 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:22:42pm

#550 brenda

When I arrived home this evening, there was a letter from my Senator waiting for me. Here are some excerpts:

"Dear KT: Thank you for sharing with me your views regarding immigration... I understand your concerns about the ongoing debate on border security and immigration reform. blah, blah, blah... I, therefore, have made restoring order and security to our border one of my top priorities... blah, blah, blah... To fully address illegal immigration, we need a system, specifically a temporary guest worker system, which allows these people to come to America and work legally in jobs that go unfilled by Americans. For the first time in decades, the Senate has passed a bill that at least touches on all of the issues that must be tackled... blah, blah, blah."

Hello? Senator? Close the border. Period. Jobs unfilled? Two words. Welfare recipients. Oh, and the Senate bill stinks - adopt the House version. And one more thing, GET A CLUE.

This guy is a Republican. sheesh

570 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:23:42pm

564 Bob's Kid
Never heard of that one. Oh, when you are done, let me know how it went. I already have a line of books to read. I did not get much reading either on the trip out of town.

571 Bob's Kid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:24:31pm
Sure wish I had the gumption to quit. ;)

Never too late, baby...NEVER too late.

572 brenda  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:25:52pm

#560 Cartman

I prefer outsourcing to importing enemies into our own communities.

573 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:28:38pm
574 Bob's Kid  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:30:26pm
Oh, when you are done, let me know how it went.

Will do. So far it's pretty good, and the author (Eric Burns) takes many a stab at modern 'journalism'.

I am out of here for the night. My prayers are with these most recent victims and their families.

575 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:31:12pm

Nite, Bob's Kid!
Have a great restful sleep.

576 brenda  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:34:34pm

#569 killer tomato

Glad to see you are in contact with your Senator. I know it's maddening to deal with such jerks, but they would have given away the whole country by now if not for the many citizens raising a ruckus.

Are you a Numbers USA faxer? A very effective group, IMO.

[Link: www.numbersusa.com...]

577 Dahveed  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:34:51pm

Goodnight all. God Bless America!

578 Killer Tomato  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:37:29pm

#576 brenda

In contact with both of them, and my Congressman. They all have websites you can email them through. I do. Often. LOL

579 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:37:45pm

577 Dahveed
Nite, and have a great rest after all this malarkey today.

580 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:40:03pm

To the left so quick to justify evil by saying, "Well, they were supporting Israel, what do you expect?" I ask, how do you know or how did the shooter know what they supported?

He only knew they were Jews. The DU or Kos posters know only they are Jews.

But they have no mental reservation holding any Jew anywhere as a representative of Israel. (That Israel is blameless, aside) And then the same DU posters moan about 'collective punishment' in Lebanon or suspecting American Muslims of sympathies to foreign countries.

581 BH  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:41:14pm

#302 Dahveed
#370 biff

I guess a Muslim man can't be a real man unless he kills women.

biff beat me to it, but I think this was a decision based not on courage, or lack thereof, but on a strategy of genocide.

It's population control: if you kill men, you can still produce x number of babies, where x = number of women. Some of the other men would have to pick up the slack.

If you kill women, x is reduced.

582 brenda  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:43:49pm

Interesting TV clip here...

[Link: cbs11tv.com...]

with an interview of a couple people who were there. (Sorry if this is a repeat -- I read a lot, though not all, of this thread.)

583 tuckunderbreak  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:52:21pm

the filth at CAIR just posted a condemmnation.

too late ibrahim.

way too late.

584 baier  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:52:44pm

#580 Silhouette

Do you know that they were all Jews?

585 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:54:14pm

Did anyone notice the quote was "I am a Muslim American" (quoted by witnesses, granted) but the helpful writer/editor wrote "the man identified himself as an American Muslim?"

586 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:55:57pm

To save clicks to CAIR, here is what they said:

CAIR Condemns Attack On Seattle Jewish Center

In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CAIR CONDEMNS ATTACK ON SEATTLE JEWISH CENTER
Group says Mideast conflict must not be ‘transplanted’ to America

(WASHINGTON, DC, 7/28/06) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today condemned an attack on a Jewish community center in Seattle, Wash., that left one person dead and several more injured. (A statement signed by representatives of the Seattle Muslim community, including CAIR-Seattle, is attached below.)

A lone gunman who reportedly said, “I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," entered the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle and began shooting. The alleged gunman was later arrested.

In a statement, the Washington-based Islamic civil rights and advocacy group said:

“We condemn this senseless attack on a religious institution and offer sincere condolences to the loved ones of those killed or injured. The American Muslim and Jewish communities must do whatever is within their power to prevent the current conflict in the Middle East from being transplanted to this country. We also urge local, state and national law enforcement authorities to step up security measures at synagogues, mosques and other religious institutions of both faiths.”
STATEMENT BY SEATTLE MUSLIM COMMUNITY

The Muslim community of Greater Seattle area watched in horror as news broke of a shooting at the Jewish Federation building. While many of the details of this shooting remain to be determined, what is clear is that a senseless and ruthless act of violence has taken place and resulted in the loss of at least one life.

We categorically condemn this and any similar acts of violence. We pray for the safety and health of those injured and offer our heartfelt condolences to the family of the victims of this attack. We also hope that the perpetrator of this crime is brought to justice.

There is no room for such acts of violence in our city and community. When one of us is attacked, none of us are safe. We refuse to see the violence in the Middle East spill over to our cities and neighborhoods.

We reject and categorically condemn any attacks against the Jewish community and stand in solidarity with the Jewish Federation in this tragedy.

Statement issued by:

Council on American-Islamic Relations, Seattle

587 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 7:57:17pm

585 Silhouette
Yes, I did indeed notice this charade of PC sensitivity. Sickening that we cannot call a dog a dog.

588 Austin Conservative  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:00:44pm

Cheese and Crackers. I guess I need to put my concealed carry permit to good use and start packing heat every day.

This makes me so mad. I would have dropped that paki with a double tap to the head in a heartbeat. If more Citizens do this, these asshats might think twice about pulling this BS, but I doubt it.

Time to start packing on a regualar basis and get the better half licensed.

589 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:00:56pm

Yet more anti-Semitism:
Oh, dear. Mel is in trouble.

Gibson repeatedly said, "My life is f***d." Law enforcement sources say the deputy, worried that Gibson might become violent, told the actor that he was supposed to cuff him but would not, as long as Gibson cooperated. As the two stood next to the hood of the patrol car, the deputy asked Gibson to get inside. Deputy Mee then walked over to the passenger door and opened it. The report says Gibson then said, "I'm not going to get in your car," and bolted to his car. The deputy quickly subdued Gibson, cuffed him and put him inside the patrol car.

Once inside the car, a source directly connected with the case says Gibson began banging himself against the seat. The report says Gibson told the deputy, "You mother f***r. I'm going to f*** you." The report also says "Gibson almost continually [sic] threatened me saying he 'owns Malibu' and will spend all of his money to 'get even' with me."

The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: "F***g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Gibson then asked the deputy, "Are you a Jew?"

More details in the arrest report.
Good Lord, what a d*ck! (Braveheart is still a great movie.)

590 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:04:50pm

#518 Shaken

Nice link.

The best line?

"I hope conservatives are happy with their efforts to turn a minor problem into worldwide chaos."

The World Trade Center twice, Pentagon, all our embassies that have been bombed, the Cole, the German Disco bombing, Bali, London and Spain train bombings, Lockerbie, the Munich Olympics, etc. All Islamic terrorism.

All this is a "minor problem". At least to the libs it is.

They prove it every day. Liberals are traitors.

591 baier  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:05:21pm

586 St. Pancake

Pretty much what most of us thought they would say.
To make my prediction come true CAIR will have to defend him in court...and they will.

592 Live4Truth  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:05:39pm

I hate to admit it but for CAIR, that was an extraordinarily decent response. I was expecting the first words out of their mouths to be "beware of backlash!". They have long way to go before they have their heads on straight, and no doubt we'll hear more doozies of Islamofascism and hatred of everything non-Muslim in the future, but ya gotta give them credit for condemning this.

593 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:07:26pm

591 baier
Disgusting, so damn disgusting. On the other hand, I pray more eyes have been opened by this.

594 tradewind  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:08:51pm

We are so just lucky that the sumbitch was not strapped into a Semtex vest.

Heads up, local police.

595 Right Side  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:09:25pm

Reuters is now reporting that the authorities have indeed decided that this was a "hate crime".

So while they're not calling it terrorism, they are pretty much officially admitting it was motivated by Jew hatred.

The reach of the Muslim jihad is worldwide.

596 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:10:26pm
We also urge local, state and national law enforcement authorities to step up security measures at synagogues, mosques and other religious institutions of both faiths.”

CAIR never misses an opportunity to point out that they, too, could be victims.
Disgusting.

597 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:10:43pm

#584 baier

It seems a reasonable presumption. And what's more, a reasonable presumption that this is what the shooter thought too.

I was making a point that the LLL repeat again and again that anti-Israel isn't the same thing as anti-Jew (to cover that bigotry as merely politics), but are not consistant with that argument when a Jewish center is attacked over anger at Israel. Then the interchangability seems fine and logical to them.

598 BH  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:11:36pm

#585 Silhouette

Did anyone notice the quote was "I am a Muslim American" (quoted by witnesses, granted) but the helpful writer/editor wrote "the man identified himself as an American Muslim?"

I'm betting that quote was a typo anyway. What he probably said was, "I am a Muslim, American."

599 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:13:16pm
#586 St. Pancake

The Muslim community of Greater Seattle area watched in horror as news broke of a shooting at the Jewish Federation building. While many of the details of this shooting remain to be determined, what is clear is that a senseless and ruthless act of violence has taken place and resulted in the loss of at least one life.

We categorically condemn this and any similar acts of violence. We pray for the safety and health of those injured and offer our heartfelt condolences to the family of the victims of this attack. We also hope that the perpetrator of this crime is brought to justice.

There is no room for such acts of violence in our city and community. When one of us is attacked, none of us are safe. We refuse to see the violence in the Middle East spill over to our cities and neighborhoods.

We reject and categorically condemn any attacks against the Jewish community and stand in solidarity with the Jewish Federation in this tragedy.

Statement issued by:

Council on American-Islamic Relations, Seattle

And yet, if you take an even cursory look at the CAIR website, you can see that they're CLEARLY SUPPORTING THE OTHER SIDE!

/smell the taquiyya, so very subtle and dangerous, just say no to Jihad!

600 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:14:45pm

Killian Bundy
Saw it myself, smack dab next to the other news baloney. They are complicit in all of this.

601 PETN Sandwich  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:14:52pm

#526 Pawn of the Oppressor

516, Now really, what the hell is up with a comment like that? And you wonder why the Lefties gloat about LGF being a "hate site watched by the FBI."

#516 TMF [said]

I cant believe they didnt smell the fucker.

Jews tend to have good hygeine.

This pig must have stuck out like a sore, b.o. infested thumb.

Uhhh, first, this was an attempted mass-murderer, call it a festering pile of shit for that, let it sue for slander.

Second, was it a slam against Jews to say they have good hygeine, a hateful thing to say, was that what you meant? [or the asshats who may object to TMF's statemen]

Third, a good nose is useful in war. The Native Americans said they could smell the white man sweat, an SF Operator I know says similier [Americans, you can smell them miles away, like chocolate - C-Rations, MREs, all have chocolate, if you have a nose for it, use it]

Forth, every animal can associate by smell. Well, dogs and humans can.

Fifth, without excuse, every woman I have ever known has a keen sense of smell.

602 big L  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:17:13pm

569-killer tomato-We have a "choice " of Arnie or Angelides...After the election Arnie will be indistinguishable from a donk-say Donk-Medium...signining Drivers licenses for illegal (giving illegals access to airports and planes)and all the leftie-goofy stuff out of the legislature and porks galore, I fear.

Or one could vote for Phil Angelides, a Taxachusetts overlord type, 1000 times worse...

At least with angelides you know you have the worst choice--the devil you know and what the hey, it is only four years and Calif is so scrod anyway, why not vote for Phil Angelides ?

603 NuclearTinkerbell  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:17:53pm

Washington astronaut killed himself. Something's in the air in the Northwest.
:(

604 Evan from NZ  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:18:44pm

Bah - expect to see a condemnation from pro-Palestinian groups, and then watch how they shift the blame to Israel for its policies which "play into the hands of racists".

It appears no-one is a free agent anymore.

605 RedWhiteAndJew  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:23:01pm
606 tradewind  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:24:59pm

#585,

I bet what he meant was that he's the Muslim American of the future, as in when the Caliphate returns and this land is no longer Your Land or My Land, but Sharialand, from the New Yorkistan Waters to the Gulfistan Stream Islands.

607 PETN Sandwich  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:26:53pm
CAIR Condemns Attack On Seattle Jewish Center

Why would CAIR even comment, not like it had anything to do with them (rhetorical).

608 St. Pancake  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:28:34pm

607 PETN Sandwich
To push the victim angle BS on their part.

609 tradewind  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:29:17pm

PIMF

Meant for #598, actually, and
(... from the Island of New Yorkistan to the Gulfistan Coast Waters).

610 tradewind  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:31:45pm

#607,

a) Guilty conscience, and b) pro-active defensive reaction.

They are safety-wired to the Victim Position.

611 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:34:44pm

I know I'm late to the thread, but still Not Word One of this on the Yahoo front page- instead, I'm treated to this example of jaw-dropping disconnect:

• Hezbollah fires new rockets at Israel

Followed by:

Hezbollah politicians back peace package

With your daily dose of 'Quagmire':

• 3 Marines killed in Iraq's Anbar province

In addition to:

• Rape victim abortion case polarizes Argentina

With more 'it's-all-Bush's-fault':

• Katrina-hit businesses slow to get aid

Remember this gem when the donks trot out the 'worst economy since the depression' talking points for the mid-term elections:

• Pools, vacations lure U.S. homebuyers

And file whis under "Who Gives a rat's ass?"

• Students find ways to drink safely - study

I mean...what the hell? Did they run out of kittens stealing gardening gloves or bears falling out of trees onto trampolines?

And when the MSM does gives this killing spree any attention, I fucking garuntee it will be in some Huffington-post reject's op-ed piece on how "Guns are bad, Mm'kay?" and how we need more laws banning the private ownership of guns.

612 tradewind  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:38:07pm

#603,

Yeah, it's called the McDemott Effect. Listening to Al Jim rant against Israel's satanic power corrupting the US ** and realizing that he is your elected voice in the House is enough to push anyone over the edge.

**/heavy sarc/

613 tradewind  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:39:41pm

Freud Lives: meant McDermott, but I guess the Dem just wrote itself.

614 Radian  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:40:19pm

There is nothing I can say other than expressing my pryers for the victims.

My ture thoughts are probably not appropriate to post here.

615 theheat  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 8:59:27pm

#586 St Pancake

And the next thing they'll do is hire the best attorney they can find for him and scream discrimintion and racism.

They only have about two tricks in their play book, and they never fail to use them.

616 tradewind  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:02:02pm

Chief Gil's gonna get pounded for this one:

When asked if the suspect was a Muslim, Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske said at a news conference "you could infer that that was his background."

The Profiling Police are gonna be all over the poor guy. He'll be forced to attend cultural sensitivity sessions .

617 hershel  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:16:44pm

Live4Truth:

"I hate to admit it but for CAIR, that was an extraordinarily decent response."

Read more carefully. In between the standard expressions of "codolences", they use every opportunity to connect this to the Israeli-Hizbullah war, just as the gunman did. Since you know who they blame for the war (hint: not the antisemitic terrorists who started it), guess who they're blaming for this shooting?

618 Catttt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:20:48pm

OT
23:09 PDT Seattle Shooter Named: Naveed Afzal Haq. Charged with one count of homicide, five counts attempted homicide. (AP via KIRO 710 AM Seattle)

Per [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

619 NY Nana  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:25:50pm

Too angry to post...and what I wll say will not be PC...damn the cult of islam. Why are they allowed to come here? Bet this one is an illegal...I am sure this has been said. And the JCC had security...how the hell did he get in?

And the pregnant woman? All I can think of is my pregnant daughter, and what this woman, her husband and their families are going through..and the family of the murdered woman? May they be comforted among the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem. May the blood of the murdered woman be avenged.

I am going to try and sleep...and doubt I will be able to...as Israel continues to be attacked, and Jews are being murdered here...and the world spits at Israel...esxcept for the USa, Canada, and a very few allies...

Brave little man,shooting and killing Jewish women...damn him to hell. He and his arab brothers will try and kill us all...Christian and Jew.

620 hershel  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:26:10pm

"Seattle Shooter Named: Naveed Afzal Haq"

Another Rove-Mossad-Bushitler plot to make Muslims look bad, no doubt.

621 Dave Brown  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:34:56pm

99, 104, 105, 199:

Though uncommon, the swastika was even found in some Judaica:

"The Synagogue

The synagogue at Ein Gedi dates from the Roman-Byzantine period, but it underwent several changes in the course of its use.

When first built at the beginning of the 3rd century, it was a modest, trapezoidal structure. In its northern wall, facing Jerusalem, were two openings. The floor was of simple white mosaic with a swastika pattern in black tesserae in the center. This pattern has been interpreted as a decorative motif or as a good luck symbol."

[Link: www.mfa.gov.il...]

622 tradewind  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:44:21pm

#617,

In thickest Chicago accent possible,

(Da Joos)

623 tradewind  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:47:29pm

#619,

NY Nana,

The news said that an employee swiped her security card and the bastard shoved his way in behind her as she entered.

Everyone's upset about this one... (and Congratulations on your soon-to-be-here grandchild).

624 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 9:51:28pm
The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: "F***g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Gibson then asked the deputy, "Are you a Jew?"

No Mel, all the trouble in the world is caused by people who blame others for their own failings.

/sad to see that Mel really is an anti-Semite piece of shit after all.

625 _remembertonyc  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:10:22pm

Haq's lawyer, Larry Stephenson, told The Times that his client had a misdemeanor lewd conduct charge pending in Benton County, near Pasco, where he was accused of exposing himself in a public place.
===
What a shocker ... the religion of perversion produces another mutant in the image of mohammed (rancid pork be upon him).

Stephenson says he does not believe Haq had a job.
===
he was working for someone

626 Nobody's Dhimmi  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:35:47pm

I live in Seattle.
I have a conceal and carry permit.
I'm painting a yellow star on my car.

Ready.


We should all be ready. The war is here--- and in your town also.


Reading the comments--- I had no idea there were so many lizardoids in this part of the world.

627 Catttt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:40:02pm

Richland High School class of '94

Source: [Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

Has a bunch of info on the family.

628 Jagan  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:41:49pm

US is doing the best to fall at the feet of Musharaff.

Musharaff has played the usual game of dipicting himself as the LAST REFUGE of the Americans for keeping the Islamists at bay from taking over the Paki (chinese) nukes. And pity the americans who fall for it!

By ensuring that America will never lay its hands on Osama and that America be attacked by Al-Qaeda safely from Pakistan, the Pakistanis have made themselves indispensible for the Americans. Running with the hares and hunting with the wolves is a game perfected by the Pakis.

And US is so happy to have Musharaff as the General-Presidentimo for life.. and It is going to give the Pakis, nuclear capable F-16s, AVRAAMs and other hi-fi military goodies in exchange for their verbal assurances on the WoT, and a few jihadis every now and then captured and sacrificed to the high altar of show-off and PR!

Good work America!

629 Catttt  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:43:25pm

From 12/7/2002

Feast after the fast - More than 200 Muslims celebrate Eid al-Fitr

This article is from better times for his father, Miad Haq, founder of the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities in West Richland.

630 ibrodsky  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 10:57:20pm
CAIR CONDEMNS ATTACK ON SEATTLE JEWISH CENTER
Group says Mideast conflict must not be ‘transplanted’ to America

Translation: Muslims don't want to see Jooos successfully defending themselves in America.

This "condemnation" is phoney. The subhead blames the jihad-genocide attack in Seattle on Israel.

631 kateca  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 11:15:24pm

Republic @510

Thank you for your post.

We have to be prepared for the unexpected. I think alot of us here are prepared to shoot the RoP'er's in the street.

-stock up on bullets for my handgun
-go to the shooting range more often
-buy a shotgun
-buy a rifle
...

But also be prepared for the unexpected
-stock up on duct tape to make house airtight
-stock up on bottled water and canned food.
-stock up on medications, etc.
...

Be able to prepare your home and have enough food and water to stay inside in the event of noxious air. Another thing I consider is that none of my family or friends takes this seriously. They think I'm strange to have 5 cases of bottled water. If anything happens I'll have to be prepared for them too.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.


/I do not believe the story about Mel Gibson.

632 Enraged_Badger  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 11:33:10pm

The BBC has mentioned this in a 5 second blurb. Just saying that 'witnesses allege that the 'MAN' (i.e. probably Buddhist, Mormon, etc) was angry at Israeli actions in Lebanon. No mention that he identified himself as a muslim or that he targeted women, including a pregnant lady. SO BRAVE!
Read between the lines: thus completely justified, like the murder of two Jews at the LA airport in 2002. As long as a 'man' (we could never use the M word, ie. muslim) murders because he's 'angry at Israel'.
For decades Jewish organizations have tried to protect themselves from Islamic terrorists but it is very difficult, unless the police in the country are prepared to patrol the organization with guns 24/7. Usually Jewish organizations have to sort out their own security (i.e. pay for it themselves) or have a volunteer organization (like at my synagogue in London, which doesn't even have 'synagogue' on its name plate to avoid attacks. We have to organize a rota who stand outside to patrol the door. It's how you can recognize Jewish kindergartens and schools worldwide (at least what I've seen in Europe and South America), there's security guards everywhere.
Despite the apparent 'islamophobia' no muslim in these countries has to live the community life like this.
On other BBC bias, they've completly ignored the Qassam attack on a kindergarten yesterday and are always going on about X number of Lebanese are refugees but no one mention of Israeli refugees or half a million living in bomb shelters.

633 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 11:49:53pm
634 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jul 28, 2006 11:59:34pm
635 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 12:02:11am
636 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 12:18:10am

ploome hineni


Sounds a lot like the 2 whack jobs here 2 weeks ago. One got banned, junior still around.

637 hazzyday  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 12:20:03am

#586 st pancake

RE: "the Muslim community watched in horror"

That is probably just liberal editing by the media when they found one person to corroborate their thoughts. I doubt if it offended many muslims. Even the jews quoted in the media were not that offended. Once said she just couldn't fathom the act. It made no sense to her.

If it did offend muslims you would be hearing more about it. Instead they were prostesting Israel a few blocks away. You notice no media went to the protest to get an opinion on the shooting. They were afraid of what they would hear, and more then incomfortable that they would have to censor the news. So heads stuck in sand.

It has to be hard to be a Democrat and adopt so many false assumptions to support a bleeding heart, that you only wake up when blood is poured. Talk about your inconvient truths.

638 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 12:23:03am
The shocking part was that many of the soldiers were blond, leggy females that looked like they came out of Maxim Magazine.

LOL, G-d bless the IDF.

639 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 12:32:01am

Now will people admit that Mel Gibson is an anti-Semitic POS?

The truth will out. Every time. People cannot hide their true characters.

640 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 12:36:24am

Read NuclearTinkerbell, #589 too.

641 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 12:38:17am
Once inside the car, a source directly connected with the case says Gibson began banging himself against the seat. The report says Gibson told the deputy, "You mother f***r. I'm going to f*** you." The report also says "Gibson almost continually [sic] threatened me saying he 'owns Malibu' and will spend all of his money to 'get even' with me."

The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: "F***g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Gibson then asked the deputy, "Are you a Jew?"

The deputy became alarmed as Gibson's tirade escalated, and called ahead for a sergeant to meet them when they arrived at the station. When they arrived, a sergeant began videotaping Gibson, who noticed the camera and then said, "What the f*** do you think you're doing?"

Let's see who defends this.

642 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 12:48:09am

FYI for those questioning the security.

The gunman, who employees said claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel, forced his way through the security door at the Jewish Federation after an employee had punched in her security code, said Marla Meislin-Dietrich, a co-worker who was not at the building at the time.

643 backhoe  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 1:05:25am
#631 kateca
We have to be prepared for the unexpected...

Good thinking--Hurricane Preparedness ( and general "bad times" links )--

644 kateca  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 1:19:57am

Thanks backhoe, I saved and will pass along.


Hoping for the best: That all known 'American' and other Hezb'Allah will be deported tomorrow.

Get them outta here!

645 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 1:34:11am

I call bogus on that Mel Gibson story "Jew Hating" story.
The 48 hour rule would serve some people well here.

If something this explosive were really true, why is that some entertainment blog is carrying the story, but no one else?

This story looks very flaky.

In the original written report, Mel Gibson apparently resisted arrest, yet he was only arrested on suspicion of drunk driving. Why was he not also charged with resisting arrest?
The copy of the report claimes that Mel Gibson made threats against the arresting Deputy, yet he wasn't charged with threatening an officer. Why?
Mel Gibson was supposedly driving well over the speed limit, so why wasn't he charged with speeding or reckless driving either?

8 pages for a misdemeanor drunk driving arrest? Some felonies don't get that much attention.

646 Dom  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 1:54:25am

I had a nasty antizionist-turned-antisemitic (ie Jews are nasty bullies ain't they, say how do you like it when I push you around eh?) encounter this week. Observers sympathetically had me walk away and guarded me from the other guy when he started pushing me, and I was likely to walk away anyway but we were eyeball to eyeball so people were concerned. He was not a worthy opponent. I was really disturbed by it, this was a cultural event in London and noone should have to put up with that crap. This is not cliched blaming so much as an impassioned appeal, media please take note. If you undermine anyone who takes a Jewish position and if the anti-zionists - and anti-zionism, btw, is NOT an acceptable balance for the Israeli view, an acceptable balance doesn't mention the word zionism once - then people disposed to the propaganda are left with apparently irreversible antisemitism and the right to treat Jews how they like. I don't want that to happen again but it will.

647 kateca  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 1:56:17am

If Mel Gibson is an anti-zionist racist pig then I am a prima-ballerina with the bolshevic ballet.

bullsh*t

648 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:06:58am

#647 kateca

Do you say the same for his Dad?

649 sabra412  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:10:50am

Are we supposed to be pretending that the Muslim community is the victim here?


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/20 03160600_muslim29m.html

"It doesn't matter if he is Jewish, Christian or Muslim — he's a nutcase. He's a loser," Zaitoun said. "He shot a human being, and it doesn't matter his personal or political agenda, he shot innocent people."

But "any time something like this happens — especially against the state of Israel or people connected to the state of Israel — we fear for our lives" as Muslims, Zaitoun said.

He said another person at the rally advised him to go home for fear of backlash.

650 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:18:53am
anti-zionist racist pig

Nope. Just an anti-Semite.

651 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:21:35am

For all who go to great lengths about their guns; It doesn't help you one iota at the mall, synagogue, work place or any other public place. Any of us could have our lives stopped short. And the likely place isn't your home when the perp(s) wants maximum opportunity. One cannot live guarding the castle 24/7; especially if it is the wrong castle.

652 thgrant  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:24:14am

Muslims just don't realize what would happen here in the US if they stepped up attacks domestically.

They really, really, don't.

653 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:30:59am

#650 - zulubaby

Nope. Just an anti-Semite.

What do you base that statement on zulubaby?
Can you be specific about anything Mel Gibson has said or done that would make him an anti-Semite?

654 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:41:52am

Jimmy The Clam, see post #589.

655 EE  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:42:04am

The story is carried in jpost
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

One dead, 3 with serious injuries.
Witnesses said the perpetrator described himself as a Muslim who is mad at Israel.

Will the police be able to figure out a motive for a murderous attack on neighborhood women for an alleged grievance thousands of miles away? If police are not fully aware of the global jihad, or if PC considerations do not let them take that into account, they will be very perplexed about motive.

When in doubt about motive, they should remember the words of Michelle Malkin:
It's the jihad, stupid!

656 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:42:41am

#653 Jimmy The Clam

You are aware of Mel Gibson's father?

657 EE  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:48:56am

It has been mentioned on this thread that there was a pro-Hizballah rally a few blocks from the deadly attack. If this is true, then I would guess that this is the cause of immediate incitement.

658 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:53:27am

654 - zulubaby

Jimmy The Clam, see post #589

I did, see my post at #645


#656 - Roger

You are aware of Mel Gibson's father?

I'm aware that most people consider Hutton Gibson a fruit-loop and Mel Gibson has publicly stated they do not share the same beliefs.
What else do you want?
They are not the same person.

659 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:54:39am

#658 Jimmy The Clam

What do you consider Hutton Gibson to be?

660 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:55:44am

#658 Jimmy The Clam

Your 645 didn't take all variables into account.

661 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:56:13am

Jimmy The Clam, spin it all you want. He made those comments.

Someone talks about the "fucking Jews", I talk about fucking anti-Semites.

Why you're defending him is beyond me.

Google News ... see what you find.

662 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 2:57:21am

Read the report ... what exactly are you defending here?

663 SlothB77  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:04:00am

here is a pic of the seattle shooter

the caption in the pic reads

"Naveed Haq
RHS, Peace Be Unto You"

I kid you not!

664 SlothB77  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:05:01am
665 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:05:42am

#663 SlothB77

That is a JavaScript. Can you post the page where you launched this?

666 republic  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:06:13am

#651 Roger

For all who go to great lengths about their guns; It doesn't help you one iota at the mall, synagogue, work place or any other public place. Any of us could have our lives stopped short. And the likely place isn't your home when the perp(s) wants maximum opportunity. One cannot live guarding the castle 24/7; especially if it is the wrong castle.

Roger, there are only a very small handfull of states that don't allow any person who is not a felon, to apply for a Conceal Carry Permit.

In other words, any person who is not a felon, and there are a few other clarifications as to things which would deter, each state is different, can apply for a Conceale Carry permit in all but a very small handfull of states.

The other thing that we as a people can do, is vote in Pro-gun political candidates, and vote out the rabid anti-gun candidates, who's voting records on firearms issues are between 95-100% anti-gun, for their entire political careers.

Also, everyone needs to look very closely at their respective states firearms laws, because many places, you can have one outside of your own homes, provided you meet the legal reuirments of the does and dont's of the regulations, depending from state to state.

Please don't underestimate the importance of the 2nd Amendment, ther has been the blood spilled of litteraly millions of Americans, for us to have that right.

If everyone who can be armed legally, is armed, that makes this country, the safest country in the world, because no other country in the world, has firearms freedom for the law abiding, like America has.

Vote in Pro-gun candidates, and vote out the anti-gun candidates.

667 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:06:19am

Thanks!

668 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:09:13am

#659 - Roger

What do you consider Hutton Gibson to be?


In short: A fruit-loop and a conspiracy weirdo that thinks "Jews" want to form a one world government and rule the world.
Is he an anti-Semite? Almost certainly. You could not hold those beliefs and NOT be an anti-Semite.

669 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:10:08am

#666 republic

Agreed. I'm not downing the 2nd amendment at all. Just that there are many public places where it doesn't help you at all. These places are where islamists will target first.

670 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:10:17am
671 SlothB77  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:11:38am

the link in 664 works.

672 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:11:54am
673 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:12:52am

#668 Jimmy The Clam

Is this a variable in Mel's case? Are there other variables? If so how do they weight?

Is the unknown policeman less believable than Mel? If so, for what reason?

674 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:16:00am

#664 SlothB77

Looks like a nice fellow in a corporation living the American dream.

675 Greg  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:16:01am

Morning Lizards and Lizardettes...been an interesting night I see (I turn off the radio and TV at 6 o'clock after Hogan's Heroes).

Mel G. maybe having his cheese start slippin' from the cracker...

[bigoted word]/RoP sleeper cells waking up and killing here in the "states"...

World War is here and now.

676 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:17:05am

#662 - zulubaby

Read the report ... what exactly are you defending here?

I believe that is a forgery and a lie cut from whole cloth. I do not believe that Mel Gibson said ANY of that.
That is my basis for saying that the 48-hour rule should be in effect here on that story.

If any of the arresting Deputies or any other credible witnesses that were there step forward and verify those 4-pages are true or if the LACSD comes forward and confirms that, then I will change my mind.

Until we have more than one source on this story, I'm tending not to believe it.

677 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:19:50am

Why the need for bold?

678 TMF  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:22:03am

Again, the MSM has blood on it's hands

Their hyping of "civilian deaths" and "disproportionality" caused this.

Good job, Chris Matthews. Good job Brian Williams. Paula Zahn- you pulled the trigger and put that bullet in the pregnant woman

679 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:22:29am

Jimmy The Clam (#676)

I believe that is a forgery and a lie cut from whole cloth.

If that's comfortable for you, so be it. I don't understand why you believe that a police officer would forge a report or lie about something like this. I also don't go in for conspiracy theories.

680 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:25:21am

#673 - Roger

Is this a variable in Mel's case? Are there other variables? If so how do they weight?


I don't understand what you mean. Can you rephrase that?

Is the unknown policeman less believable than Mel? If so, for what reason?


As far as I know, Mel Gibson has said nothing on this yet.
I would take the word of an "unknown source" with a grain of salt because you can't really tell what you are dealing with until the source is either named or corroborated.

Like I said earlier, if the LACSD comes forward or ANY of the Deputies come forward and say this is real or if that video tape is released, I'll believe it.
Until then, I do not believe this story is real.

681 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:27:16am

Jimmy The Clam,

Until then, I do not believe this story is real.

Which part -- that he was arrested for drunk driving, that he was ranting about the "fucking Jews", or both?

682 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:30:10am

#680 Jimmy The Clam

It is not their job to come forward. They did their job. After work they go home to be with their families.

683 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:30:40am
UPI and TMZ.com report that the LA County officer who arrested Gibson was Deputy James Mee. He was asked to ammend his original report that he wrote describing Gibson's behavior, after superior officers decided it was "inflammatory."

Mee was reportedly told to write an expurgated version of his report and promised that the full report would go to the District Attorney, TMZ.com reported.

His superiors in LA are alleged to have brought up Gibson's movie, "The Passion of the Christ," which was described in some quarters as anti-Semitic, and worried about the effect of press reports of Gibson's behavior given the situation in the Middle East.

They're going to try to cover this up.

684 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:30:48am

#679 - zulubaby

If that's comfortable for you, so be it. I don't understand why you believe that a police officer would forge a report or lie about something like this. I also don't go in for conspiracy theories.

I don't believe this came from an officer.
I do not think an officer wrote that, hence my statement that I believe it to be a forgery.
I think somebody cooked that thing up and sold it for money.
Has everyone forgotten Rather-gate already?

This is so explosive, the truth will be out in a few days one way or the other.

685 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:33:29am

My G-d, did you guys see this?

Portland's KATU Channel-2 News reported this week that Bradford lived in Oregon during the same time period that the murders were committed. Photos of 54 women taken by Bradford who posed as a freelance photographer have been unearthed from an evidence locker in Southern California.

686 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:34:51am

#681 - zulubaby

Which part -- that he was arrested for drunk driving, that he was ranting about the "fucking Jews", or both?

I already confirmed that he was arrested with LACSD. That part I'm convinced is real.

The "fucking Jews" part and the "I own Malibu" part I do not believe are real.

687 RickZ  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:41:02am

When I read stories like this, it only goes to show how close we are to a new American civil war. We used to get immigrants who left their political baggage behind. Now we get immigrants whose political baggage is the reason they come here. We will all pay to some degree for this blindness on the part of our government.

# 348 Geepers:

Re: storagemanger:

Oh, and PS, next time you pull your passive little girl whining about people attacking you expect to get the shit knocked out'a your ass you pathetic hypocrite.

Thank you for saying that, and I wholeheartedly agree.

# 359 storagemanger:

have fun Ann...I chose to ignore you...bait someone else.

You've been on my scrollover list here and JW/DW for quite some time now. Don't you love how your 'message' is ignored? Too bad you can't see that. You may be on the right side in this war, but you are constantly stuck on stupid. Time for some new material. Also, picking a battle with Ann is not a sound military policy.

688 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:42:12am

Jimmy The Clam, the truth will out, but the cover-up has already begun.

TMZ quoted a law enforcement source as saying Gibson noticed a female sergeant on the scene and yelled at her, "What do you think you're looking at, sugar t--s?"

Deputy Mee then wrote an eight-page report detailing of the incident, but higher-ups in the sheriff's department felt it was too "inflammatory" to release and would merely serve to incite "Jewish hatred," TMZ said.

Reached for comment on TMZ's report last night, Deputy Moore said the department would neither deny nor confirm its content. He could offer no explanation for why Mee's report was withheld from reporters.

--

Sheriff Lee Baca personally ordered Gibson's mug kept under wraps, a deputy told the Daily News.

689 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:46:12am

#682 - Roger

It is not their job to come forward. They did their job. After work they go home to be with their families.

It is absolutely the LACSD job to answer this. Those reports are all public record.
If I said I had a report written by you, and it was a forgery, why WOULDN'T you come forward?

That report names some very findable people and asking them for a simple "confirm or deny" (that those are the words they had written) would be a pretty straight forward affair.

690 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:47:20am

Why is everyone jumping on storagemanager? What am I missing? I confess to being away from LGF for a few months ...

RickZ,

Also, picking a battle with Ann is not a sound military policy.

Actually, he did no such thing. Scroll up a few hundred posts ;-)

691 Dr. Mabuse  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:47:52am

#641 -

Let's see who defends this.

Let's see the videotape.

692 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:50:36am

#687 RickZ

But why can't you contribute without focusing on storagemanager? If you actually scroll over?


/Please analyze how silly the focus can be sometimes.

693 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:53:14am

#689 Jimmy The Clam

It is not the officer's job to come forward.

694 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 3:56:28am

#688 - zulubaby

Cover-up? The media HATES Mel Gibson and would love nothing else than to hang this on him.
When I Google "James Mee" + Deputy I get over 400 hits.

When I Google "Mel Gibson" + Jews I get the same (over 400) news stories.

695 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:01:34am

Jimmy The Clam, since when do the media hate Mel Gibson?

This is getting too conspiracy theory-ish.

696 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:05:13am

695 - zulubaby

Jimmy The Clam, since when do the media hate Mel Gibson?
This is getting too conspiracy theory-ish.


All except for the cover-up part?
Hummm...

697 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:13:29am

Jimmy The Clam, I quoted from the article ...

Sheriff Lee Baca personally ordered Gibson's mug kept under wraps, a deputy told the Daily News.

I suppose the sherrif is lying now too?

And you didn't answer my question -- since when do the media hate Mel Gibson? This is the first time I've ever heard anyone say that.

He's just a rich Hollywood actor. Don't make him more than that.

--

The sheriff's department has made a habit of releasing the mug shots of stars arrested for DUI charges, including actress Kim Delaney in 2002, but Gibson's booking photo "was not available," according to department spokesman Steve Whitmore. The press claims sheriff Lee Baca personally ordered Gibson's mug kept out of public reach.

698 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:17:35am
The California Highway Patrol, which has busted stars including Nick Nolte and former "Growing Pains" cutie Tracey Gold for DUI, routinely releases stars' mug shots, no matter how embarrasing.

So let's see Gibson's too.

699 RickZ  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:22:36am

Deom # 586 St. Pancakes's CAIR press release:

We categorically condemn this and any similar acts of violence.

That's CAIR's self-defense kicking in. They know that "similar acts of violence" will have them and their ilk in the crosshairs. And for good reason.

/It's the jihad, stoopid.

700 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:23:16am

#697 - zulubaby

And you didn't answer my question -- since when do the media hate Mel Gibson? This is the first time I've ever heard anyone say that.
He's just a rich Hollywood actor. Don't make him more than that.

Right about the time he came out as a political conservative. When "Passion of The Christ" came out, they went into overdrive.

"Sheriff Lee Baca personally ordered Gibson's mug kept under wraps, a deputy told the Daily News."
I suppose the sherrif is lying now too?

Who says he is lying?
Maybe he did give that directive.
I'm not getting your point.

701 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:28:41am

#698 - zulubaby

The CHP is a different agency than the LA County Sheriff's Department.
They likely have different policy guidelines on these things.

Other than hoping it's a really bad mugshot that would look really good in a hit piece, what purpose would that serve?

702 PETN Sandwich  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:36:32am

#616 tradewind

Chief Gil's gonna get pounded for this one:

When asked if the suspect was a Muslim, Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske said at a news conference "you could infer that that was his background."

The Profiling Police are gonna be all over the poor guy. He'll be forced to attend cultural sensitivity sessions

Better response would have been-

"I don't understand the questuion. Are you implying a relationship between muslims and mass-murder?"

703 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:39:11am

700 Jimmy...

Right about the time he came out as a political conservative. When "Passion of The Christ" came out, they went into overdrive.


The mans a gun hating elitist! The 2nd Amendments for duck hunters.

.

704 RickZ  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:39:35am

# 690 zulubaby:

Actually, he did no such thing. Scroll up a few hundred posts ;-)

# 692 Roger:

But why can't you contribute without focusing on storagemanager? If you actually scroll over?

Whatever, people.

Oh, and thanks Roger. I'm just in agreement with another poster on this storagemanger person. Act like CAIR: Sue me.

705 ak47pundit  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:41:07am

How long before the local Muslim community half-heartedly "condems" the attack and then loudly worries about a backlash against Muslims?

Then another attack takes place and the same cycle continues with no response, which showsthem that the tactic is working?

At what point is the West going to wake up that this is not an isolated incident and actually make a response?

At this point it should be announced that if this continues all non-citizen muslims will be deported as enemy aliens. No, its not a collective punishment, its self-defense from future attacks and will send a message that this type of attack tactic will not be tolerated.

706 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:43:34am

Jimmy The Clam,

Here's your statement re: lying.

I believe that is a forgery and a lie cut from whole cloth.

--

Other than hoping it's a really bad mugshot that would look really good in a hit piece, what purpose would that serve?

We could have a good giggle?

You're taking this way too seriously.

--

RickZ, whatever right back atcha, baby! LOL.

I'm just in agreement with another poster on this storagemanger person.

That he picked a battle with Ann? Scroll up.

707 Eggs Ackley  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:00:19am

And this guy had a CCW? My G...

708 EC Marm  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:02:00am

zulubaby
Just saw this on below link. Who in Israel said such a thing? And why?
* US State Department describes Israel's remarks that the Rome conference gave it a ''green light'' to continue its attack on Lebanon as ''outrageous''.

[Link: news.independent.co.uk...]

709 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:04:42am

707 egg...

I missed that link, could you repost it?

710 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:06:21am

EC Marm,

Finnish Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja expressed concern on Thursday about Justice Minister Haim Ramon's remark that the outcome of Wednesday's Rome conference on Lebanon was a green light for continued Israeli bombing of Lebanese targets.

"I raised this with Prime Minister (Ehud) Olmert and he said this was not the government position," Tuomioja told Reuters by phone from Tel Aviv.

711 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:06:29am

#706 - zulubaby

I suppose the sherrif is lying now too?


Here's your statement re: lying.
I believe that is a forgery and a lie cut from whole cloth.

Yes... and... ?

If that PDF is a forgery, then the only liar would be the forger.
How could that possibly reflect on Sheriff Lee Baca?
Am I'm missing something here zulubaby?

Anyways, bed time for me now, see ya all in about 7 hours.

712 daughter of patriots  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:07:39am
..since when do the media hate Mel Gibson?

Since Mel Gibson determined and followed through to film The Passion of the Christ.

713 EC Marm  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:08:21am

zulubaby
I don't think that headline in above post is accurate. I'm reading the news conference in link below. I don't see any mention of an Israeli saying such a thing.

[Link: www.arabnews.com...]

714 ctrlL  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:09:15am

Perhaps a flying pig moment here as al-reuters calls a spade "A Spade":

Muslim Charged in Seattle Shootings

/are they learning something through their visits to LGF ?

715 Eggs Ackley  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:10:43am

#709 BZ
from a World Net Daily article being discussed at Free Republic:
"
According to Chris Richey of Everett, Haq had been his neighbor until two weeks ago, when he abruptly moved. The landlady at their apartment told Richey Haq was going to Pakistan. Haq spoke often about guns and politics, said Richey, and didn't like President Bush.

A law-enforcement source said Haq had a licence to carry a concealed weapon.

Attorney Larry Stephenson, who is representing Haq on a misdemeanor lewd conduct charge for allegedly exposing himself in a public place, said his client had been scheduled for trial last Thursday, but the action was postponed. Haq is not married, has no children and no job, Stephenson said."

716 RickZ  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:11:17am

# 706 zuluzbaby:

That he picked a battle with Ann? Scroll up.

Yes, ZB, the skirmishes have been going on for a while now, and not just on this thread.

717 EC Marm  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:14:54am

#710 zulubaby
Ouch, got your link. Politically, that's painful for the U.S. - Justice Minister Haim Ramon - what's your/Israeli opinion of him?

718 Mike Charlie  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:15:59am

Only the scum of the earth would harm women like this. And, a pregnant woman too...

The mind boggles.

719 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:21:35am
720 Jaggedskye  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:22:00am

wait for it...
and yes, fear of the backlash

Hisham Farajallah, director of Idriss Mosque in Northgate, said repeated references to a "Muslim American" on the news prompted him to cancel a Friday-evening event for women at the mosque. He advised the women who called to stay inside for the evening.

"All they keep saying is Muslim American, Muslim American, Muslim American," Farajallah said. "It's very unfortunate."

Rami Alkabra, president of the Seattle Chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said the group condemns "this heinous act in the strongest possible terms." There are fringe elements in every community, he said, noting that mosques in some areas of the country had pigs' heads rolled inside and some were shot at.

"Just as strongly as we condemn these acts against Muslims, we condemn this act against the Jewish Federation, and we pray for the safety and health of the victims."


Remember Mooselims are the victims here... move along... nothing to see here.

/angry beyond words

721 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:24:49am

daughter of patriots, I have honestly never noticed the media's hatred for Mel Gibson.

I find the touchiness about him rather amusing. He's just another rich Hollywood actor with an addiction. They're a dime a dozen.

--

RickZ, fair enough, but on this thread, he did not pick any battles with Ann, or anyone else.

--

EC Marm, you have to know that I am someone who has very little respect for politicians. I think they're mostly reptilian.

Politically, that's painful for the U.S. - Justice Minister Haim Ramon - what's your/Israeli opinion of him?

I don't believe he made that remark about the US specifically, but regardless, I think it's a big non-issue. I wouldn't worry about it.

722 FrogMarch  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:25:00am

586 St. Pancake

The American Muslim and Jewish communities must do whatever is within their power to prevent the current conflict in the Middle East from being transplanted to this country.

Yeah - those Jewish women need to stop walking around in public. How dare they. Really, those Jewish women provoked the delicate Muslim to shoot at them.

/CAIR.

723 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:25:21am
724 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:26:35am

#715 Eggs Ackley

If he has a CCW, I've no prob with that, except the media has ben telling us he has 'mental' and criminal probs. So how did he hold onto CCW if the reports are true? They (MSM, CAIR and etc.) must be having a tough time on just how to spin this.

.

725 FrogMarch  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:26:53am

195 NukeTinkerbell

Total agreement.
(and *waves hello*!)

726 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:26:58am
727 yochanan  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:28:24am

this will not be the last attack I expect organiazed hezballah attacks like the one's they did in argentina.

f... um and the camel that made them

728 FrogMarch  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:33:28am

Ploome...

Yeah - has there ever been a shooting at a Mosque? Nope. But the precious and delicate Mosques must be protected!

729 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:37:43am

RickZ,

ANN only comes in here to start a fight and tell us how much LGF sucks anymore. I, for one, wish she would take her tired act outta here permanently.

/and no, i am not defending storagemanager.

730 EC Marm  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:46:53am

#721 zulubaby
Okay, hope you're right. It kinda looks as if he might be approaching some sort of meltdown. That never happens here in USA of course:
Marion Barry (drug use)
various and sundry Mass. politicians (bottomless list)
WJ Clinton (Monica sex scandal)
Howard Dean (I have a scream speech)
That's in 30 seconds.
Truly intelligent people know that sometimes the wisest thing you can do is "ack dum."

731 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:47:23am
732 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:54:04am

#704 RickZ

Was your whatever said with your best Alicia Silverstone impression?

Picking on someone easily picked on is so last year.

733 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:54:10am

I am back to this thread now for the first time after the breaking news of yesterday evening.

NO FRIGGING MEDIA THAT I HAVE WATCHED/READ THIS MORNING HAS SPOKEN/WRITTEN A WORD ABOUT THIS MUSLIM CRIME !

IT IS A FRIGGING SHAME !

MY LOCAL NEWSPAPER WILL HEAR FROM ME AND FOX CAN DEFINITELY GO [long and detailed description of strange and obnoxious sexual services omitted ] TO THEIR SAUDI MASTERS.

STOP THE SUBVERSION AND THE MUSLIM INVASION, DEFEND AMERICA FROM THE SILENCE OF THE MEDIA AND THE LIES OF THE DEMOCOMMIES !

734 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:56:32am

#729 Murqtaad

RickZ,

ANN only comes in here to start a fight and tell us how much LGF sucks anymore. I, for one, wish she would take her tired act outta here permanently.

I've been on many a thread where that has not occurred with Ann. I don't wish for her to 'take her act' elsewhere. Though she is independent in her thought, I still think we get a peak at what the hubby my be saying. I do not agree with his position of 'defeatism' at LGF, I do find it ironic that he has surrendered the battle field, because of claims of unfair fighting.?!

There is only 2 rules here.

Lord, grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls,
the courage to debate with honest opponents,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

and

Don't get banned.

Most people observe neither.

.

735 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:56:53am

Roger 732,

So I take it your as sick of all this BS as I am?

736 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:59:33am

#731 Ploome Hineni

Excellent post, thank you.

And I may say that, because I have been European for a long time but I got rid of that addiction.

And I feel so much better.

/And the Infinite Being Who Is will punish them for their crimes, and apparently is already punishing those who LIKE those crimes.

737 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:59:51am

peak = peek

spell check? it was speeled rite.

738 Jimmy The Clam  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:59:59am

#719 - ploome hineni

why would this policeman lie?
maybe this policeman IS a Jew and MelGibson is being set up?
you think it may be the mossad?
Mossad has infiltrated the Highway Patrol?
Jews are trying to take over Malibu, and Mel GIbson really owns it?
is there ANY part of this report you think is true?

Ploome,
You have the reading comprehension ability of your average dyslexic 7-year-old.
What part of "FORGERY" (think: rathergate) did you not not understand?

You were one of the biggest loud mouths here that were denouncing "Passion of the Christ" and Mel Gibson before that film was even released.
You seem to have a hard on for Mel and facts never seem to get in your way.

At least you have backed off on your more general Christian bashing.
You were really bad about that a couple of years ago.

OK, I'm going back to bed again.

739 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:00:29am

BZ 734,

When? Certainly not recently. Thursdays thread on the Israelis saving a UNuch was a prime example of her attitude. If you need me to link, I will, there were only maybe 40 posts. Even Charles has posted at her garbage in recent times and shut down a thread over her crap.

740 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:06:18am

#738 Jimmy The Clam

RatherGate is a whole other ball game in that it could quickly be proven and demonstrated a forgery as Charles did by technology.

Why the need to compare the Mel Gibson case with Dan Rather?

741 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:11:35am

#739 Murqtaad

My statement was not an absolute. I read the thread. I'm am not impressed by simple cut and paste posters, can you name a few? I'm tired of entire artys being posted (when not BLOCKED), give me, the money quote, a summary, your thoughts and link.


.

742 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:11:49am

#735 Murqtaad

It is hard to explain in an open forum just exactly how silly the focus becomes. It is like me with my GED going down to the barbershop and beating up on the old guy watching the TV who tries as best he can to express himself and then I tear into him.

743 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:12:07am

Mel Gibson died during the filming of Braveheart... he is now a hologram.

744 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:14:14am

ploome hineni

What the hell is Jimy... talking about?

Have you been Christian bashing?
.

745 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:20:10am

Ben,

#19 Ann 7/27/2006 08:13PM PDT
So LGFers don't want to recognize and talk about good news anymore.

This type of thread would be full of "Hell Yeah's" from all of us.

WTF?

I guess LGF has just become a negative, whining, bitching place reserved for those who want to just die as victims.

It's what I'm seeing, and it's embarassing

746 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:21:27am

rog 742,

Actually, you explained it quite well, lol.

747 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:24:34am

Ben,

My statement was not an absolute. I read the thread. I'm am not impressed by simple cut and paste posters, can you name a few?

yes I can name a few, and I'd take them over Ann and her ilk anyday. Thanks.

748 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:25:43am
749 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:28:52am
750 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:33:36am

ploome,

You are right, I should scroll by, but then I see others posting about it and it gets me going.

If LGF isn't up to her standards, she should go away.

GCP is apparently the perfect place for her and her minions do dis Charles and the LGF massive. Wish she would stay there.

751 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:33:52am

745 Murqtaad 7/29/2006 08:20AM PDT

Why the HELL are you trying to pick a fight with me for?

You made an absolute statement.

I didn't!

Then you post a single post as proof of an absolute.

WTF!


Ben,

#19 Ann 7/27/2006 08:13PM PDT
So LGFers don't want to recognize and talk about good news anymore.

This type of thread would be full of "Hell Yeah's" from all of us.

WTF?

I guess LGF has just become a negative, whining, bitching place reserved for those who want to just die as victims.

It's what I'm seeing, and it's embarassing


#729 Murqtaad 7/29/2006 07:37AM PDT
RickZ,

ANN only comes in here to start a fight and tell us how much LGF sucks anymore. I, for one, wish she would take her tired act outta here permanently.

I said...

I've been on many a thread where that has not occurred with Ann. I don't wish for her to 'take her act' elsewhere. Though she is independent in her thought, I still think we get a peak (sic) at what the hubby my be saying. I do not agree with his position of 'defeatism' at LGF, I do find it ironic that he has surrendered the battle field, because of claims of unfair fighting.?!
752 RickZ  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:36:58am

# 729 Murqtaad:

/and no, i am not defending storagemanager.

# 747 Murqtaad:

yes I can name a few [cut and paste posters], and I'd take them over Ann and her ilk anyday. Thanks.

Hmmm. Thanks Charlie 'Wishy-Washy' Brown.

753 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:39:50am

748 ploome hineni

but I do have issues with Christian theology of replacement


Let me guess, they get all the blessings and none one of the chastisements. True? Of course true.

Keep in mind that is not a blanket doctrine. If you want a Christian to get your back in a fight, find a Baptist.

.

754 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:44:34am

Relax Ben,

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you at all, just posting what i told you I would post.

Hmmm. Thanks Charlie 'Wishy-Washy' Brown.

UH, who's trying to pick the fight. Get your reading comp skills together. If prefering cut and pasters to elitists makes me "charlie wishy washy Brown", I must be guilty.

/meds up

755 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 6:46:24am

sorry, second part of last post was directed at RickZ, not Ben... and Ben, i was not trying to start a fight, but i see a few who are itching for one. i dont fight on a keyboard, i fight in person. Later y'all.

756 RickZ  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 7:03:02am

# 754 Muqtaad:

UH, who's trying to pick the fight.

You are. I just like finishing them.

757 cracker-crusader  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 7:04:25am

The US has definitely gone crazy. In WWII Japanese Americans were interned on very shaky grounds. There were certainly no widespread attacks on US installations, civlians or personnel, yet into the camps they went.

Now you have a 5th column in the US during what will possibly turn out to be the most serious existential threat to the US since the Civil War, and people who are quite clear about their lack of loyaty to the US and her allies not only walk the streets, but are left to run all kinds of interference on US foreign and domestic policy. (applause please for the run-on sentence of the year)

OK, now I really know the West cannot win. Not with the governments we have now. So I guess I'll start reading the Q'uran, you know, beat the 2012 rush to convert...

758 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 7:04:40am

755 Murqtaad

sorry, second part of last post was directed at RickZ, not Ben... and Ben, i was not trying to start a fight, but i see a few who are itching for one. i dont fight on a keyboard, i fight in person. Later y'all.

Niether do I, I will debate, and in extreme cases refer to my football, last hobby, and invite them to take it 'offline'. I try and conduct myself as if 'face to face'.

759 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 7:43:29am

RickZ

# 754 Muqtaad:

UH, who's trying to pick the fight.

"You are. I just like finishing them.".

Really? Finishing Ann's fight may be more like it, certainly not your own. And as for me starting a fight, where? When? With whom?

I believe the ad hominems have come from your direction. Charlie Brown?

Right, because I prefer a cut and paster to a vicious attack dog, I'm wishy washy... I think it couldn't be clearer, but whatever gets you thru the day, big guy.

760 daughter of patriots  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 7:49:13am

ploome hineni & zulubaby:

maybe you could give us some examples of 'media hate for Gibson'

Example 1.

Example 2.

Example 3.

Example 4.

761 daughter of patriots  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 7:57:52am

#748 ploome hineni

I do have issues with Christian theology of replacement

I'm a Christian and don't believe in replacement theology. I believe in the scriptures. Many consider replacement theology false teaching. The truth will out.

762 Roger  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 8:06:06am

#760 daughter of patriots

Going after why something is not movie material is valid criticism. Not hate.

763 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 8:42:40am
764 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 8:50:46am
765 RickZ  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 9:19:31am

# 759 Murqtaad:

I believe the ad hominems have come from your direction. Charlie Brown?

'Charlie Brown' is an ad hominum [attack]? On this site? LMFAO! Can you grow a skin any thinner there, Achemd?

766 NY Nana  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 9:23:30am

Apparently Jimmy the Clam has forgotten to take his meds, and is in denial about the Jew-hater Hutter Gibson and his son.Jews have a built-in radar after the eons of Jew hate we have survived...and Mel Gibson is a Jew hater.

Mel gives cops hell

Gibson's Anti-Semitic Tirade -- Alleged Cover Up

TMZ has learned that Deputy Mee audiotaped the entire exchange between himself and Gibson, from the time of the traffic stop to the time Gibson was put in the patrol car, and that the tape fully corroborates the written report.

Disown Your Dad's Denial of the Holocaust, Gibson Told

"By choosing to inject himself into public discussions of the Holocaust by his association with this movie, Mel Gibson has a moral obligation to come clean and clearly repudiate his father's statements denying the Holocaust," Dr Medoff said.

"If he declines to publicly repudiate Holocaust denial and continues to maintain that the Holocaust was just one of numerous similar atrocities during World War II, then Disney and the ABC should reconsider their arrangements with him."

Adding to the controversy is the memory of Gibson's The Passion of the Christ, one of last year's top-grossing films but one condemned as anti-Semitic by many Jewish organisations.

Both the Gibsons were named in the Wyman Institute's 2004 global survey of Holocaust denial.

Hutton Gibson told New York radio station WSNR the Holocaust was mostly fiction because the Nazi's never had enough petrol to burn six million Jews.

"They did not have the gas to do it," he said. "That's why they lost the war." He went on to deny the mass extermination of Poland's Jews, saying they had "simply got up and left".

"They were all over the Bronx and Brooklyn, and Sydney, Australia, and Los Angeles," he said.

When asked last year by ABC reporter Diane Sawyer about his father's statements, Mel Gibson replied: "He's my father. Gotta leave it alone, Diane. Gotta leave it alone."

Asked about his father's religious beliefs and view of the Holocaust in the March 2004 edition of Reader's Digest, Gibson said: "My dad taught me my faith, and I believe what he taught me. The man never lied to me in his life."

Pressed further to go on the record and say the Holocaust happened, Gibson said: "Yes, of course. Atrocities happened. War is horrible. The Second World War killed tens of millions of people. Some of them were Jews in concentration camps. Many people lost their lives. In the Ukraine, several million starved to death between 1932 and 1933."

Dr Medoff said Gibson was trying to "minimise and blur the Holocaust" by making it just one of many atrocities of the war.
"This is ridiculous and clearly contrary to the historical record," he said. "It indicates that he himself has some sort of distorted, troubling view of the Holocaust."

Read articles in full...if it sounds like a Jew hater, lies re the Holocaust, spouts Jew hate, it is a Jew hater. Simple fact.

767 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 9:49:29am
768 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 9:50:49am
769 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 12:06:34pm

RickZ,

Who said "attack"? I didn't say you attacked me, i said you threw out ad hominems, which you did. You want to keep making stuff up and be Ann's proxy, go ahead. Maybe you'll get the pat on the back from the crew of miserable moderates "across the streeet". You can go over there and crow about all of us unenlightened genocidal maniacs over here and how elite you all are.


And as for thin skin, bud, it seems yours is real soft when Ann is the subject.

Now, go take yer substance lacking, elitist wannabe, ass "across the street" and see if you cant get the head pat you so richly deserve for standing up for that miserable hack.

You must be hard up for friends if you come to her defense, that whole crowd is a bunch of disgusting, high school traumatized, losers, trying to do what they couldn't 20 years ago... GET Attention!

I'm done with you , clown. You aint even worth posting at.

770 RickZ  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 4:02:10pm

# 769 Murqtaad the Thin-Skinned:

I'm done with you , clown. You aint even worth posting at.

LOL! But I'm so glad you felt the urge to do so, and acted upon that urge. Hmmm, sorta like a 'lone' jihadi from Seattle in the news acting upon his feelings, too. Twins separated at birth, or just a moronic coincidence?

771 Murqtaad  Sat, Jul 29, 2006 5:53:24pm

RickZ,

Weak attempt at a last word. I told you I dont fight on keyboards. You want to take this off Charles bandwidth so we can further discuss your masculintiy, I'll make my e mail linkable.

til then, fall back, clown.

772 RickZ  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 2:23:36am

Mr.

773 RickZ  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 2:27:48am

Let's try this again.

# 711 Mr. Murqtaad the Thin-Skinned:

I'm sooo glad you've ignored me by posting twice to me now. You really should seek help for your urges.

I also like the threat you've made simply because I had the audacity to call you wishy-washy, like Charlie Brown (an ad hominem in your petty world). Oh well.

774 Murqtaad  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 5:26:42am

RickZ the thin skinned,

I havent threatened you, I asked if you would like to further this discusion off line. You are dellusional. You should really seek help for that problem. You want me to make my name clickable? or do you just want to keep making up stuff and attributing it to me.You are very good at that.

/If you thought that was a threat, you really need to grow some thicker skin, LOLOLOL.

775 marjoriemoon  Sun, Jul 30, 2006 7:46:34am

I just wanted to comment about the swastika statement back there... The original ancient sanskrit symbol was meant to mean long life, or more specifically everlasting life, the soul lives on forever. In that regard, I suppose Jews could have adopted it at some point. I don't know when the symbol first started appearing, but as a Jew and coming from a long line of Jews, I've never seen it in our history.

Looking briefly at your link, Dave #621, it is noted that the symbol in the temple was in a Pattern, not the actual symbol itself.

It is my understanding that the Nazis took the symbol and inverted it. The reason being, if it stood for everlasting life, then the invert would mean everlasting death. Not just the death of the body, but the death of the soul. So not only would the Jews die, but their souls would be annhilated in the afterlife.

And to NY NANA. Right on baby! Some people will never recognize the truth even as it slaps them in the face.


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