Want to talk about caving into international pressure? You needn't say more Mr. Prime Minister.

The most obvious, simple, way to describe it to the average British person is: can you imagine seven million British citizens sitting for 22 days in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham in Newcastle, in Brighton and in other cities? Twenty two days in shelters because a terrorist organisation was shooting rockets and missiles on their heads? What would have been the British reaction to that? Do you know of a country that would have responded to such a brutal attack on its citizens softer than Israel did? Based on my knowledge of history no country in Europe would have responded in such a restrained manner as Israel did.

-Prime Minister Olmert

nice

NIce photo Charles and much needed after the last thread. I really need to calm down here.

Finally.

Shark Week is over.

Do you know of a country that would have responded to such a brutal attack on its citizens softer than Israel did?

Fwance, homeof the unfired gun?

Hey, Realwest! We're good to go, pal! ;-D

Is he bragging about that? Is he proud of that?

z -

That is an excellent quote from the PM. Good for him!

Beautiful. The foam looks like snow.

More beaches: the answer

(Muslim 'yutes aren't depraved, they're deprived. If only they could get away...)

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

#6 Cartman - Huh? Who's good to go? I'm still packing like crazy!

#1,

Is there a country who would just stand by?

Ummh, yeah: France

Nice to see something that looks cool. Actually, we're experiencing a cold front with temps in the mid 90's F. Time to find a sweater and flannel jammies!

#3 realwest

How's the move coming along? You must be ready to hit the road soon, right?

Tall things supported by sea-worthy erections lapped by salty waves.

[Link: hinduunity.org...]
The war between Islam and Humanity continues on borders of Lebanon and Israel. HinduUnity.org supports Israel in it's military actions. The importance of these actions cannot be understood by the left psuedo seculars and the blind Muslim sympathizers of the world. When will India come out of it's sari's and bangles and stand up to Muslim aggression in it's own country? Israel is clearly showing us the way on dealing with Islam. Anyone awake in India? Or are we Hindus still chanting the Ghandian mantras and deliberately allowing our manhood to be sacrificed?

Is this the thread where Neoconrightwingfascistbushitler lovers go to drink?

Cuz I brought my glass.

#16,

Come to zee Ca ba ret (see Liza kicking)...

#11 realwest

Keep packin', bro! Just was on the same page as to needing a breather on the heavy news we've been seein' today. Continued good luck to ya on the move.

Whadya have? My dog's buyin'

[Link: workinglabs.net...]

#16 mama winger

*SNORK!*

#16 mama winger

How is little winger doing?

#16 mama winger

Cuz I brought my glass.

Cheers!

Nice pier pic! Smell the sea air...and I'm not an ocean-type of guy. Really nice.

WooHoo...FNDT.

#1 z 8/4/2006 07:42PM PDT
Want to talk about caving into international pressure? You needn't say more Mr. Prime Minister.

The most obvious, simple, way to describe it to the average British person is: can you imagine seven million British citizens sitting for 22 days in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham in Newcastle, in Brighton and in other cities? Twenty two days in shelters because a terrorist organisation was shooting rockets and missiles on their heads? What would have been the British reaction to that? Do you know of a country that would have responded to such a brutal attack on its citizens softer than Israel did? Based on my knowledge of history no country in Europe would have responded in such a restrained manner as Israel did.

-Prime Minister Olmert

IIRC it was Prime Minister Churchill that set the standard for proportionally, just ask ‘Bomber’ Harris head of the RAF Bomber Command.

#19

There's a good dog! Good dog.

mama winger, you're two for two right out of the gate.

Why do piers have to be so damn ugly? I mean, come on, live a little.

#21 scooter

He called today - it was the first time in just about a year that I have heard weariness in his voice. He's tired, and the heat is just beating the daylights out of our guys. But other than that, he's good. Two fatalities in nearby units in the last 10 days tho.

#16 mama winger

Is this the thread where Neoconrightwingfascistbushitler lovers go to drink?

Cuz I brought my glass.

ROFLMAO! That should be a rotating title. Home of neoconrightwingfascistbushitlerjooolovinglizards.

Got my glass too, but its nearly empty and bed will be calling my name soon.

Man, I wish I could post images here! Y'all have got to see my Rejected Pop-Tart flavors illustrations. Like "Pizza-Berry Mint" and "Butterscotch Cheeseburger Parfait." (Well, I mean, you don't got to, you know, it's just, I think they're funny as all heck. Don't go see them if you don't feel like it, that's okay, too.)

#13 scooter - Yep, leaving NYC on Tuesday!

#18 Cartman - yeah, I get it now. Man I'm just exhausted. Think I better call it a night and get some zzz's.
Hope to see youse'all tomorrow!

Goodnight, everyone.

#26 Noam

As long as there are dogs in the world, there's hope for mankind.

...the Calming thread.

Thank you, Charles

Don't you love it when the salty water stings your eyes and goes up your nose. How the sand wriggles it way into every little nook and cranny and the waves toss you around like the inside of a washing machine?

12 tradewind
Is there a country who would just stand by?

Ummh, yeah: France

Nope, Chirac said he would nuke em!

#13 scooter - cold snap down to 90.

I hear you - we just broke 85 and I think I need a sweater.

Restful sleep, realwest.

#16 Mama Winger!

G'nite, 'west.

#37 Allah al Fubar !

:)

TGIF. Now to pick an adult beverage. Help me out Lizards:

- Martini (Bombay Gin and Maytag Blue cheese stuffed olives)
- Woodford Reserve (Bourbon - America's offical spirit since 1964)
- David Bruce Petite Syrah (Hardly a 'Petitie' wine!)
- Summit 20th Anniversary ESB (Minnesota brewed beer)
- Lagavulin (This scotch has gone up by $20/bottle in the past three years - I don't have it very often these days)

Mesa police are not releasing the names of the these guys. I wonder why? I hope I'm wrong.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Sweet dreams, realwest. In a few days you will be one of our own...WooHoo! :D

How about some music to kick this party off?

Something by the Travelling Wilburys...

Tweeter and the monkey man were hard up for cash
They stayed up all night selling cocaine and hash
To an undercover cop who had a sister named jan
For reasons unexplained she loved the monkey man

Tweeter was a boy scout before she went to vietnam
And found out the hard way nobody gives a damn
They knew that they found freedom just across the jersey line
So they hopped into a stolen car took highway 99

And the walls came down all the way to hell
Never saw them when they're standing
Never saw them when they fell

The undercover cop never liked the monkey man
Even back in childhood he wanted to see him in the can
Jan got married at fourteen to a racketeer named bill
She made secret calls to the monkey man from a mansion on the hill

It was out on thunder road - tweeter at the wheel
They crashed into paradise - they could hear them tires squeal
The undercover cop pulled up and said "everyone of you's a liar
If you don't surrender now it's gonna go down to the wire

And the walls came down all the way to hell
Never saw them when they're standing
Never saw them when they fell

An ambulance rolled up - a state trooper close behind
Tweeter took his gun away and messed up his mind
The undercover cop was left tied up to a tree
Near the souvenir stand by the old abandoned factory

Next day the undercover cop was hot in pursuit
He was taking the whole thing personal
He didn't care about the loot
Jan had told him many times it was you to me who taught
In jersey anything's legal as long as you don't get caught

And the walls came down all the way to hell
Never saw them when they're standing
Never saw them when they fell

Someplace by rahway prison they ran out of gas
The undercover cop had cornered them said "boy, you didn't think that this
could last"
Jan jumped out of bed said "there's someplace i gotta go"
She took a gun out of the drawer and said "it's best if you don't know"

The undercover cop was found face down in a field
The monkey man was on the river bridge using tweeter as a shield
Jan said to the monkey man "i'm not fooled by tweeter's curl
I knew him long before he ever became a jersey girl"

And the walls came down all the way to hell
Never saw them when they're standing
Never saw them when they fell

Now the town of jersey city is quieting down again
I'm sitting in a gambling club called the lion's den
The tv set been blown up, every bit of it is gone
Ever since the nightly news show that the monkey man was on

I guess i'll go to florida and get myself some sun
There ain't no more opportunity here, everything's been done
Sometime i think of tweeter, sometime i think of jan
Sometime i don't think about nothing but the monkey man

And the walls came down all the way to hell
Never saw them when they're standing
Never saw them when they fell

You Friday night imbibers can step up to my bar.

#44 solomon

No way! Is that really yours?

Are you single?

#43 Amalie:

Uh.. not so sure 'bout that. I bought a high powered washer last week. Getting tossed around in that barrell, flipped over, and then flopped over inside out and then round the barrel again, upside right, downside left, and spun around until dry & then thrown to the dryer isn't xactly what I'd call sensuous.

/but then again, how in the hell would I know what's cool, not cool, or sensous?

Couldn't you just wade in...

Beer in hand.
Trusty dog from #19 by your side.
Just to the point where the foamy water swirls around your ankles.
Stomach sucked in.
Chest puffed out.
Proud to be an American.
Tilley hat pulled snug over your noggin.
Unbuttoned pima cotton dress shirt, billowing in the wind, sleeves rolled up.
Winkin' at the perdy girls on the beach.
Then whip the beer away and run headlong into the wave about to crash on the shore...

Couldn't you?

#34 Amalie

Don't you love it when the salty water stings your eyes and goes up your nose. How the sand wriggles it way into every little nook and cranny and the waves toss you around like the inside of a washing machine?

No, not really. I'd rather sit on the beach drinking and watch other people snort salt water. ;))

#44 solomon

Verrry nice!

#41 Sheepdogess

The did release the names. Heard it on NPR (yeah, yeah)

At Phoenix's City Hall, Police Chief Jack Harris said that "following up on information from the public," officers arrested Dale Hausner and Samuel Diteman on numerous charges, including assault and murder.

#34 Amalie

In my mind, there are only a precious few experiences in this life that hold greater therapeutic value or pleasure than a day in the surf and sun.

solomonpanting

That's no bar, that's an altarpiece.

Then whip the beer away and run headlong into the wave about to crash on the shore...

That is alcohol abuse!

#47 Noam

Couldn't you?

I'd love to, but you'd have to carry me.

'nite, realwest.

Bet I catch you on the dead thread in the morning, you Chatty Cathy, you.

#47 Noam

Quiddit

sms111...wanna buy afrench rifle?Only dropped once and never fired.

#45 mama winger

LOL!
Actually, I built it about seven years ago for a client. :(

This is the adjacent piece.

#19,
I'll see your lab and raise ya one of my Goldens. They can have a chuggin' contest...
[Link: denverbryan.com...]

58 sp

Right, that's the altar in the side chapel.

Nice work.

#40 stormy

Raising both pinky fingers, and choosing the Martini with the olive, minus the foo-foo stuff. ;)

Now for some ZZ Top...

I got to have a shot
Of what you got it's oh so sweet
You got to make it hot
Like a boomerang I need a repeat

Gimme all your lovin'
all you hugs and kisses too
Gimme all your lovin'
don't let up until we're through

You got to whip it up
And hit me like a ton of lead
If I blow my top
Will you let it go to your head

Gimme all your lovin'
all your hugs and kisses too
Gimme all your lovin'
don't let up until we're through

You got to move it up
And use it like a screwball would
You got to pack it up
Work it like a new boy would

Gimme all your lovin'
all your hugs and kisses too
Gimme all your lovin'
don't let up until we're through

I was just listening to "the world tonight" on the Calgary AM 770 station. I just caught the last few minutes because I was also watching the Red Sox win. They had several callers complaining about the lack of support for the 'troops' and Isreal. They also complained about Canadian equivalent of PBS. I guess that not all have become 'progressives'.
I had it tuned in because I had told an acquantance to tune in to hear a segment on debunking the WTC conspiracy theory site that shows "Loose Change". He believes in the 'insider' link and I can't convince him that it is a crock. I guess that it keeps life interesting for paranoids.
The opening of the new movie will have all of them foaming at the mouth on the 'talk' shows. The 'Bush haters' would sooo like to have it be true.
(I haven't posted for a while, hope I am not too out of touch)
OH, Well

#40 Stormy

Martini (Bombay Gin and Maytag Blue cheese stuffed olives)
- Woodford Reserve (Bourbon - America's offical spirit since 1964)
- David Bruce Petite Syrah (Hardly a 'Petitie' wine!)
- Summit 20th Anniversary ESB (Minnesota brewed beer)
- Lagavulin (This scotch has gone up by $20/bottle in the past three years - I don't have it very often these days)

When face with too many options for a Friday night, just go with the martini. Got any Stoli?

Hmm... Maytag Blue, Summit ESB...

You a Minnesotan?

And did I mention how it feels when your head cracks like a coconut against a pier?

SP

Who was the client, Dracula? Nothing says "crypt" like dry, pallid stones and gothic sconces.

#58 solomon

Your work is incredible! Amazingly beautiful.

#59 tradewind

Actually, I have a Golden too - I just couldn't find a picture of one with beer LOL! The lab was as close as I could get. My baby Golden turned 7 yesterday. I pretend she's only three.

Solomon

That's really nice workmanship..

From the Israel Insider, Mr. "Green Helmet" has been identified... a mortician:

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

Hezbollywood. Heh.

66 godfrey

The client was/is a single guy who obviously needs to get in touch with his feminist side.

Hoo rah for the martini, the last blast of exhaust from pre-boomer culture. Fedoras and silk stockings. Those people knew how to drink.

#67 mamawinger

Actually, I have a Golden too - I just couldn't find a picture of one with beer LOL!

I snapped this one of my Labby about five minutes ago. She's stays cool on the tile.

Eventually she ends up on my feet while I'm reading or studying.

#63oldercadet..thats because even in Ireland we know Alberta rocks.Home of the western standard and the most un- pc province in the dominion

#63 oldercadet

Nice to see you! You a baseball fan? Me too. (If you can call the Cubs baseball.)

SP

He needs to get in touch with something. Preferably something with a pulse.

63 older-cadet

I had it tuned in because I had told an acquaintance to tune in to hear a segment on debunking the WTC conspiracy theory site that shows "Loose Change". He believes in the 'insider' link and I can't convince him that it is a crock

I think that once someone believes a theory such as this that chances are they won't be very easy to convince otherwise.

Spot on, godfrey.

And dress, too. Silk stockings - with that line up the back.

#72 imploder

What a sweetheart. I bet you don't love her much. :)

Godfrey,

Why do piers have to be so damn ugly? I mean, come on, live a little.

I agree, they should look more like minarets.

77 Noam

The line up the back is called a "seam."

don't let up until we're through

Yes. Please pass this along to Ohlmert and Peretz.

mahatma coat

Hello, how are you?

mama winger
Amalie

Thank you very much.
But sometimes a client who requests a "port-a-coop" throws a curve into the mix.
:>;

Silk stockings - with that line up the back.

Someone throw some cold saltwater on Noam.

and we love those seams amalie

mama,

you feelin any better?

Moonbat bleeding-heart anti-gun update from Maryland:

I went target shooting today for the first time in a while, to find that among several new state regulations governing shooting ranges, there's this:

"Use of a standard range target is required. Not: target spots on backers, playing cards, empty ammo boxes, clothes pins, colored tape pieces or "hostage" type targets. NO HEAD SHOTS ALLOWED!" (Their emphasis.)

I saw one guy using a "silhouette" type target. One is now required to turn the head part back and down so it is not visible. Because, obviously, in a great liberal state like Maryland, a person in a self-defense sitch would never do the two-to-the-chest-one-to-the-head thing. That would just be mean, and might hurt some innocent perp's feelings.

Can anyone with a moonbat decoder ring explain to me what possible societal good is achieved by a law forbidding people from shooting sheets of paper where there is a schematic outline of a head? Please?

/I just don't understand moonbats anymore...

#83

hahahaha ! That'll keep ya humble ! :)

Hey SP

I like the turning in the side piece. Nice and weighty, but not too much. Were you looking at Jacobean models? I wonder what kind of pulls they put on their doors. Drops, maybe?

Or a couple of parodies from spiff?

I Blog Alone (caution the pic of a nekid blogger might make you blow chunks):
[Link: www.spaff.com...]

Iranian Uranium: [Link: www.spaff.com...]

Have a good evening Lizards.

83 solomon

A port-a-coop.

Shame on you, cooping up innocent animals. They should be allowed to run free.

/:D

#67, mamawinger,

Got a pair of them here, both eight: one acts it, the other is still a pup. They're the best.
/sorry Lizardoids, end of my dog thread, promise/

Amalie its 4:20 ..pub closed hours ago...been better .Thank God they have something here called the early house...and yer fine self?

Were on our own cousin,
all alone cousin.
Let's think of a game to play
Now the grownups have all gone away.
You won't be much fun
being blind deaf and dumb
But I've no one to play with today.
D'you know how to play hide and seek?
To find me it would take you a week,
But tied to that chair you won't go anywhere
There's a lot I can do to a freak.
How would you feel if I turned on the bath,
Ducked your head under and started to laugh.
What would you do if I shut you outside,
To stand in the rain
and catch cold so you died?

I'm the school bully !
The classroom cheat.
The nastiest playfriend,
You ever could meet.
I'll stick pins in your fingers
And tread on your feet...

Maybe a cigarette burn on your arm
Would change your expression to one of alarm,
I'll drag you around by a lock of your hair
Or give you a push at the top of the stairs...

I'm the school bully !
The classroom cheat.
The nastiest playfriend,
You ever could meet.
I'll put glass in your dinner
And spikes in your seat...

The Who/Tommy/Cousin Kevin

Actually I just finished a bottle of "Crossing" Sav. Blanc. 2005. (New Zealand)Screw cap bottle but cost $15. Pretty good stuff. The discount at the promo-sale cut the price down to size, so I didn't have to 'roll it on my tongue'to 'appreciate it.
the only down side is that the Yankees won so the Red Sox are still in second place.
some things just have to change.

And did I mention how it feels when your head cracks like a coconut against a pier?

Hate it when that happens. Like the time I...

#86 Murqtaad

Aren't you kind to ask. I am doing a little better,each day, I think. It'll be a long road - about 2-3 months before I can safely leave BloodClotLand. But everyday I wake up on the right side of the dirt, so I give thanks. :)

#87 Cato the Elder

We just go out to the desert and shoot whatever we want. Usally I just make little rocks out of big rocks.

85 mahatma coat

Yes, you do..

I can tell you all about the denier, the gauge, the weight of the stockings..

About the whole suit of feminine armor women used to employ, and still do on occasion..

Line, seam, still sexy.

Serfs Up

/citizens of Iran

#100, noam,

Don't be a wuss, go for the fishnets...
/grin/

Hate it when that happens. Like the time I...

tried to make time with this incredibly hot co-ed in the student union, turned around, and walked forehead-first into a pillar.

So, is Castro dead yet, or what? I'm getting impatient.

93 mahatma coat

It's still early here, still Friday night.. since you are in the future you could tell us tomorrow's news..

#67 mama winger

#58 solomon

Your work is incredible! Amazingly beautiful

I agree! Woodworking is something that's always fascinated me. I tried making a table once...slate tile table top, iron legs, and wood edge trim. Never could get that wood edge trim right though. And the table probably weighed close to 500 pounds due to it's size and the cement backer board under the tile and the 3/4 medium density fiber board beneath that. ha! it it would have turned out, it would have been beautiful

mama,

the cupcakes kick ass!

stay strong!

Another gem from Nasrallah:

"We naturally prefer that it is a military against military fight, on the ground, on the battlefield _ we are ready for it," he said.

That explains everything.

#102 tradewind 8/4/2006 08:27PM PDT

#100, noam,

Don't be a wuss, go for the fishnets...

LOL ~

#92 tradewind

Like my son says, "When God made dogs, Golden Retrievers are what He had in mind."

OK I'm done too :)

#78 Mamawinger

What a sweetheart. I bet you don't love her much. :)

She's a good doggle. She's very, very smart, if not a little bullheaded. I've trained her on most all of her obedience on one $25 bucket of freeze dried beef liver chunks. She'll run around Texas for a beef liver chunk. Slather it in peanut butter, she'll dig a hole to China.

sure its just a seam but...Igive my head a shake and back to the issue at hand ...go israel go...sorry to make you do our dirty workbut the truth is we're scared

#87 Cato the Elder 8/4/2006 08:22PM PDT
Moonbat bleeding-heart anti-gun update from Maryland:
Snip…

It’s really simple. The moonbats know that they cannot take all our rights away all at once. Therefore they take a little bit whenever and wherever they think they can get away with it. It’s the old frog in the pan of water trick.

// Support the NRA.

#108,

And didn't you just love the part where he said ' we don't want to defend any territory, We're guerillas...we want to lure them into the cities and kill them that way' (or some shiite like that).

Awful dangers shooting rocks, Sage. Sometimes they ricochet straight back at you.

That's what beer bottles are for.

Dangers?

PIMF

Dangerous.

Yalla Ya Nasrallah!

89 godfrey

The customer, who was after a 'French Country' motif, had a designer draw up the details. I glued up the stock and took it to a lathe man, who did an excellent job.

#91 Amalie

The portability gives the birds a free-ranging possibility and the homeowner the opportunity to fertilize the entire area!

Ahh,

frothy surf under a cool, cloudy sky

I have had so much fun here tonight! Thanks everyone - goodnight!

Am

I loved that video. That's the stuff.

113 Da Beerfreak

It’s the old frog in the pan of water trick.

I missed that one.

#94 Killian Bundy

Do you think it's all right to leave the boy with Uncle Ernie?

Night Mama Winger

God bless you, your son, your family.. and wishing you a speedy recovery..

Am

#115 noaminsayin..."thats what beer bottles are for"...I thought they're fur emptying

#122,

(You remember, that's the one where the heat gets turned up so gradually that they're poached before they realize it's even hot)

#87 Cato the Elder

After 9/11 I was at the range and they were handing out Osama head targets to anyone that wanted one. We all shot his head to shit, just a ripped open hole where his fugly mug used to be.

When libs found out about it they were "offended".

Rally FOR Israel in Londonistan.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

How did the Beeb (BBC) let this one through?

#98 DesertSage 8/4/2006 08:25PM PDT

#87 Cato the Elder

We just go out to the desert and shoot whatever we want.

Let those poor prairie plague dogs live!

I didn't say beer, mahatma. Though the ones that go skunky are in season.

Don't be a wuss, go for the fishnets...

Also sexy.

What Amalie said.

Whats Nasr'allah mean in arabic? House/man of god?

I gotta pee. Where's the fence?

121 godfrey

I loved that video too.

Yalla Ya Nasrallah...

"your beard has lice"

"we're going to blow you and Hizbollah back to Allah"

tasty

These days, you could make Islamonazi head targets a cottage industry.

#87 Cato the Elder
I just got the card from the department of public safety today that my lic. to carry will soon expire. Even in Mass there are a few towns where you can still get a lic. with "for all lawful purposes" on the validation line. Some towns won't let you past the front door. There is too much local descretion in the law. where you live determines 'the law' or at least the local chief does. I worked as a 'part timer' on the local force for many years and still couldn't get a lic. in some towns. they still think that putting restrictions on legal licensed owners will reduce street crime. I am sure that the 'street people' really worry about being "legal"!
The $100 every four years doesn't make me too happy either.

murqtaad

Nostril of Allah?

#108 Who Watches the Watchmen?

"We naturally prefer that it is a military against military fight, on the ground, on the battlefield _ we are ready for it," he said.

I nominate that for funniest fucking joke of the week.

French Beach Rises Amid Housing Projects

There are colorful parasols and lounge chairs and the gleeful sounds of children splashing in clear blue water or playing volleyball on the fine white sand. What's unusual about this summer snapshot are the gritty high-rises in the background and the occasional robed Muslim man or veiled woman trudging across the sand.

These housing projects that were a flashpoint for riots that engulfed dilapidated poor French neighborhoods last fall have created their own beach _ hundreds of miles from the coast and a world away from the vacation spots of France.

Courneuve Plage, or beach, was created to entertain youths from families too poor to take part in France's traditional summer ritual _ the trek to the seaside, mountains or inland waterways.

/hey, whatever keeps 'em from burning cars, I guess

#104 SeanGleeson

So, is Castro dead yet, or what? I'm getting impatient.

Yes. I know the feeling. Remember how long it took Arafat to officially die? Every morning for nearly two weeks I awakened, switched on the news to see if the old boofer was dead.

It's problably a money 'thang' as it was with Arafat. Loads of details to be sorted out before they can get on with the business of actually being dead.

And with that cheery thought, I'm off. Good night, all.

#52 godfrey

This is an altar!

Hope this link works... I've never tried sharing a folder.

Yes, this is in our house, which happens to be a 119 year old church. When I bought this I planned on making it into a mantle. I wanted a very big Rumford fireplace and this seemed like a cool way to dress it up. Once I got it home though (and assembled - whew!) I started to really appreciate the craftsmanship and the quality of the quarter sawn oak. (I'm an intermediate woodworker myself). Anyhow, I'm now having second thoughts. My wife still would like to see it incorporated into a fireplace though!

My latest thought was to pop out the middle panel (which is held in from the inside with some blocks) and get a custom gas fireplace built so we would have the fire without cutting into the altar. I'm working on some other creative ways of dealing with it, but none are very easy.

The painting (that isn't in these pictures) is an original oil done by a prominent female artist and I've been told it is worth much more than the altar (which isn't a cheap piece of furniture!).

Oh, and the tiles that are off the wall behind the altar were where we anchored in a block and tackle so we could winch the top half of the altar up. The thing is a beast to move. I'm also proud to say that I turned the top finial which had been cut off because the thing was too tall for the last church it was in!

#113 Beerfreak:

I agree with what you say, but have to tell you that the whole "frog in a pan of water" thing is a giant, stupid urban myth. A frog will NOT sit there and let itself be slowly boiled. Scientifically proven, but I'm too tired to go find the link again.

Good arguments are not strengthened by BS analogies...

Nostril of Allah

D'oh! shoulda known

Remember this?

Noam Chomsky: "Hezbullah's insistence on keeping it's arms is justified" MIT prof met with Nasrallah at terrorist HQ in May 2006

[Link: www.militantislammonitor.org...]

The link is "militantislammonitor

Oh this is a nice find. Link Its John Dingell's official response to Rush Limbaugh's segment about Dingell's interview with local reporter Devin Scillian in which Dingell refused to condemn Israel, but rather staked out the morally equivalent middle ground, refusing to condemn either party. Ok, find the worthy rotating title in his quote ...

You and I disagree on many things, but we do share a love of this country and its people. I ask you to use your influence to stoke the fires for peace in the Middle East - a peace that will advance America's standing in all corners of the world - instead of furthering the bloodshed and pain for the sake of partisan politics.

John Dingell, stoking the fires for peace in the Middle East.

And by the way Congressman John Dingbell, while your staff took to cook up that Double-Whopper-with-cheese of a statement, they should have clarified that you were talking out your ass during the interview when you claimed that Israel was surrounded by a billion and a half Arabs. Nobody called him out on that.

#64 Noam Sayin'

Yah, don'tchya know. Central MN here...

Gulf waters to be calm next 5 days.

Former Tropical Depression Chris loses battle to upper level convergence, dry air and Northeasterly shear, loses all convection and degenerates back into an open wave.

Official NHC forecast carries Chris as a tropical depression to the Mexican coast about 200 km South of Brownsville, but it appears Chris has given up the tropical ghost

Amalie whats yer time zone?

Qana, Revisited

[Link: www.canada.com...]

Initially, 57 people were said to have died in the Qana tragedy. But many analysts who have seen the footage point out that some of the dead pulled from the collapsed apartment were in an advanced state of decomposition, far more so than if they had died scant hours earlier.

It also should be remembered that only one side in this dispute -- Hezbollah -- is deliberately targeting civilians. Using human shields and allegedly digging up dead children so they can be sent to Qana and used as political props are despicable acts -- but also acts that would be entirely in keeping with its nihilist creed.
The episode offers one more reminder why the world must give Israel the time it needs to subdue this dangerous terrorist group and ensure it is never allowed to plunge the region into warfare again.

OK, this should clear up any questions you might have:

Louie, Louie, oh, oh, me gotta go
Louie, Louie, oh, oh, me gotta go

Fine little girl she waits for me
Me catch the ship for cross the sea
Me sail the ship all alone
Me never think me make it home

Louie, Louie...

Three nights and days me sail the sea
Me think of girl constantly
On the ship I dream she there
I smell the rose in her hair

Louie, Louie...

Me see Jamaica moon above
It won't be long, me see my love,
I take her in my arms and then
Me tell her I never leave again

Louie, Louie...

#137 godfrey

I think it means Allah's butthole.

#141 Stormy

this is an altar

Yes it is. Don't know if I would light a fire underneath an altar myself, even if it seems like it would make a nice hearth.

Still, what do you do with a decomissioned altar? The Episcopal church in Midland, TX had a bunch of church furniture like that, they dontated it to a parrish in Mexico. I went down and saw it, it was really cool that they kept it going.

Mahatma Coat

Mountain Time Zone

stormy

This was an Anglican or Episcopalian altar, right? That is some nice oak. Any tiger striping in the grain?

I'm always on the lookout for quartersawn billets at least 8" wide with tight vertical grain...

In a year or two that will be under water because of man-made global warming.

/Al Gore

#123 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Do you think it's all right to leave the boy with Uncle Ernie?

Pete Townshend apparently did.

I'm your wicked Uncle Ernie
I'm glad you won't see or hear me
As I fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about !

Your mother left me here to mind you
Now I'm doing what I want to
Fiddling about
Fiddling about
Fiddle about!

Down with the bedclothes
Up with the nightshirt!
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about !

You won't shout as I fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about !
Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle.

/The Who/Tommy/Fiddle About

143 murqtaad

Nostril of Allah

Henry Waxman?

147 Ed

Poor Ed.. you missed the hurricane thread..

/all the sleazy photographers, shot dead!

#95 oldercadet

No need to apologize for the screw cap. The days of that being a bad thing are numbered. Cline and a few other good wineries are using screw caps. They are technically a better solution, but people miss the romance of the cork pop.

I just read today (in an email from a wine store I mail-order from) that there is a new product called a Zork that is a screwtop with the sound of a cork. Haven't seen it in person, but could be the right answer to remove some of the stigma associated with screwcaps.

And that folks, is the power of sharing on a blog :P

147 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades Gulf waters to be calm next 5 days

.

To the deep and painful chagrin of the Enviro-coms.

150 Desert Sage

LOL...

hahahaha~!

7 hours behind me then?

I'm sorry, I know it's just me, but I spent most of my earlier life trying to get out of going to church and so the last thing I want is to live in one..

#141 Stormy

I'm also proud to say that I turned the top finial which had been cut off because the thing was too tall for the last church it was in!

I had a customer who bought an antique bookcase/cabinet that was too tall to fit under an arched hallway header. He ended up cutting the plaster and just a bit of the header, patched it up and then had me put 'feet' under the piece. If he ever wants to move, the piece will either stay or he'll have to reverse the process.

#143,

It means (holding nose) ' Help' or in this case, Helper of god allah.

In otherwords, the devil's flunky.

I think the dude's name was Michael Ware, might have been an Australian. CNN reporter in Beirut, asked by Anderson Cooper whether Iraqi Shi'ites (The Mahdi Army) were antisemitic, said that while most Arabs have an ingrained dislike for Israel, Iraqi Arabs didn't develop a hatred of Jews until the American invasion of Iraq.

#156 Killian Bundy

Judging by the contents of Pete's computer, he did a lot of research on Uncle Ernie.

The camp with a difference,
never mind the weather,
when you come to Tommy's,
the 'oliday's forever

Now you've done it, Ollie. I was on my way to bed, but I may have to stay up and give Tommy a spin.

Mahatma Coat

That's right.. seven hours..

#142 Cato the Elder 8/4/2006 08:39PM PDT

#113 Beerfreak:

I agree with what you say, but have to tell you that the whole "frog in a pan of water" thing is a giant, stupid urban myth. A frog will NOT sit there and let itself be slowly boiled. Scientifically proven, but I'm too tired to go find the link again.

Good arguments are not strengthened by BS analogies...

It may be BS but it is still a good image. And no one said that an analogy has to be 100% accurate.

Screwcaps, hmm. I'm all for 'em fer drinkin' in the house. In a field with a pretty girl, it's got to be a cork. In a restaurant, one of those synthetic corks will do just as well.

Focus group over. My cup runneth over again, so it's time to unfocus. Ah...

#150,

Hey! Those aren't the lyrics we learned in school...

165 ... and here I thought it meant, Booger of Allah ...

#146 Stormy 8/4/2006 08:41PM PDT
#64 Noam Sayin'

Yah, don'tchya know. Central MN here...

Is dat right, den? Ah, geez. Looks like yer gettin some wedder out dere den, hey?

Twin Cities, but from farther north... den.

Nothing to worry about here, folks. Just a couple Minnesotans speaking in our native tongue.

aMALIE YOU JUST HAVEN'T SEEN THE RIGHT CHURCHES .i'VE SEEN MANY CATHEDERALS HERE AND IN BRITAIN AND REALLY ,THEY'RE JUST HUMBLING.A REMINDER OF THE BEAUTIFUL CULTURE WE'RE FLUSHING DOWN THE LOO

Screwcaps, hmm. I'm all for 'em fer drinkin' in the house.

Once you uncork that bottle, you have to finish it! It is by design.

tradewind,

satans helper?

#166 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

What utter bullshit. We know that the Jews were run out of Iraq and not allowed to return.

NO one hated the US until Iraq, right? LOL

What goddamn liars.

#135 godfrey

These days, you could make Islamonazi head targets a cottage industry.

You might be right about that. I know that you can easily find Osama and Saddam head targets, but I bet some "informed" people might be interested in targets of other big time jihad players, just for variety and entertainment value. That's an interesting idea (my shooting companions and I have been printing out the faces of various people for target practice for years).

#142 Cato the Elder

Froggy don't boil (You have to skip an obligatory ad at the link)

Mahatma

But I don't care to live in one, Mahatma.. It would inhibit me.

Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Ed, what happened to that big blow, Chris?

As an original Floridiot, I know the season really does not get pumping until September, but dang, this one has been kinda quiet.

Is Global Warming killing our tropical cyclone season?!?

Hello all,
Here is this week's Michael Ramirez Gallery

#176,

If the camel-dung-stained shoe fits, he should wear it...

#175 imploder

Once you uncork that bottle, you have to finish it! It is by design.

And?

I cannot even imagine going around nude in a house that used to be a church..

#154 godfrey

Have to admit, I don't know much about its history. It came from a Lutheran church that was closing (and merging) with another church. It is a real conversation piece to say the least.

It is difficult to see in the photos, but medullary ray flecks ooze throughout. Even people who don't know much about furniture or wood start asking about "those stripes in the wood" first thing. It's a great conversation piece on many levels:

- An altar in the house... wtf is up with that?
- The crafsmanship - all the detail, the wood
- The art, who was the artist, what does the scene depict?
- History of where it came from
- How did you get it in your house?
- Does it come apart?

and on and on... great icebreaker when we have get togethers with people we don't know.

173 Noam

LOL ~

tradewind,

word.

#170 godfrey

Wineries have gone to new processes that simulate aging in their wines. That way, a Pinot can be opened in 2 years instead of 8 and it tastes just as good. Also, the quality of natural cork is not so good these days and many bottles of expensive wines are ruined due to bad or "corky" taste.

Many Oregon wineries are using rubber corks as well.

Many of the big name wineries are going to screw caps and for a pinot, it is well to leave open for a few hours before drinking. It also helps to decant it first into a carafe and make sure to pour high so it bubbles a lot.

/sulfites suck

DS

That is so much better than that love poem to Hizb'Allah a few days back.

a "Louie Louie" page

You have to admire the guy who transcribed the melody in standard notation. He even captured essential rhythmic nuance in bar seven with those inspired sixteenth notes.

/applause

#183 Noam

And?

And then you're done with it.

I'd love it with the choir going constantly reminding me of our greatest strength...the FACT that our culture is infinitely superior.We're right ,they're wrong.A stupidly simple statement but one you'd never hear from the msn.

181 RTLM

Just awesome, those cartoons.. thanks for the link!

#188,

One of life's little bummers: crumbly cork in the vino. Whatever sends that to the dustbin of history can't be bad.

Am

On the way to the pool, you'd pass an alcove in your flip-flops, margarita in hand... and suddenly feel an inexplicable urge to go to confession.

It would be complicated.

#193

One of life's little bummers: crumbly cork in the vino. Whatever sends that to the dustbin of history can't be bad.

But what of the Portuguese cork farmers?

If you want a laugh, head on over to Tim Blair and read the comments in the Women of the IDF post he put up today.

Samples:

Hey, my name is Paqo ibn Paqo and I’m a Hezbollah block captain and I want to surrender! RIGHT NOW!

Dear Tim Blair Forum,

I never thought the letters in your comments section were true until one summer when I was carrying rocket propelled grenades into a local preschool…

Amalie

I cannot even imagine going around nude in a house that used to be a church..

Hmm...

*shakes head*

Nope. No, I'm gonna let this one go.

Chris is dead.

Of course, the real meat and potatoes of hurricane season is mid-August to mid-September, and the Gulf Coast of Florida stays in the action through October.

#167 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I was on my way to bed, but I may have to stay up and give Tommy a spin.

Well, you could just forget it ever happened.

I've got a feeling twenty one
Is going to be a good year.
Especially if you and me
See it in together.

So you think 21 is going to be a good year.
It could be for me and her,
But you and her-no never!
I had no reason to be over optimistic,
But somehow when you smiled
I could brave bad weather

What about the boy?
What about the boy?
What about the boy?
He saw it all!

You didn't hear it
You didn't see it.
You won't say nothing to no one
ever in your life.
You never heard it
Oh how absurd it
All seems without any proof.
You didn't hear it
You didn't see it
You never heard it not a word of it.
You won't say nothing to no one
Never tell a soul
What you know is the Truth

/The Who/Tommy/You Didn't Hear It (1921)

We're right, they are wrong.

*No, you won't hear this from the MSM. Not in a million years.

#190 imploder

And then you're done with it.

Just checkin'

Dear Tim Blair;
I go to a small mid western university...

#195,

Screw(cap) 'em if they can't take a joke...
/smile/

194 godfrey

Yes, it would be too complicated. In so many different levels.

#184 Amalie

Were you born with clothes on? Can God not see you when you shower?

LOL

Noam

Could you live in an old church that was renovated somewhat into a home?

#43 TotallySirius

I love the album. Listened to it just last week. It certainly sounds like the guys had a lot of fun making it, especially

Dirty World

He loves your sexy body, he loves your dirty mind
He loves when you hold him, grab him from behind
Oh baby, you're such a pretty thing
I can't wait to introduce you to the other members of my gang
You don't need no wax job, you're smooth enough for me
If you need you oil changed I'll do it for you free
Oh baby, the pleasure would be all mine
If you let me drive your pickup truck and park it where the sun don't shine
Every time he touches you his hair stands up on end
His legs begin to quiver and his mind begins to bend
Oh baby, you're such a tasty treat
But I'm under doctor's orders, I'm afraid to overeat
He loves your sense of humor, your disposition too
There's absolutely nothing that he don't love about you
Oh baby, I'm on my hands and knees
Life would be so simple if I only had you to please
Oh baby, turn around and say goodbye
You go to the airport now and I'm going home to cry
He loves your...
Electric dumplings
Red bell peppers
Fuel injection
Service charge
Five-speed gearbox
Long insurance
Quest for junk food
Big refrigerator
Trembling wilbury
Marble earrings
Porky curtains
Power steering
Bottled water
Parts and services

Dirty world, a dirty world, it's a ...ing dirty world

Chris is dead.

This does not bode well for those praying for chaos. What if the season is a fizzle? I lived in Florida for 20 years until I went off in the military, the whole time I was there we never got popped with a big storm, I lived near Ocala.

When I was stationed at Hurlburt Field in 95 we had Opal, and as bad as she was, it was really pretty minor, cat 3/2.

Florida was quiet with a couple of exceptions for a lot of years. One notable exception was Andrew. Who could forget that monster?

tasty

I want royalties.

orson

You got that right. The Fwench can piss and moan all they want about terroir, but a lot of terroir, well, tastes like dirt. No tanks, I'll stick with the "international style" Robert Parker likes: big, well-balanced and jammy. Life's too short and my pockets too small to put up with bodiless tannic reds. Blech.

#194 godfrey

I'm glad I held myself back on that one. Yours was actually kinda deep.

205 Orson

You're Scottish, you could probably go nude to the grocery store and not think a thing about it..

#209 godfrey

Willamette Valley pinot is big, fat and has legs like a thoroughbred. The frogs got nothin on Oregon. A hint of tannin is essential though.

But what of the Portuguese cork farmers?

Tell them "tudo isto fado". They'll understand and pour you a nice glass of vinho verde.

Damn, they are just going nuts with the ketuyshas.

Pray for Israeli citizens, ya'll.

/Out/

Goodnight Tradewind

Thanks for the reminder..

oh...didn't really notice this the last time through...

(still the dark water ;)

#163 Amalie

I understand your feelins. It takes a little time to get past the whole "it used to be a church" thing fairly quickly. The good thing is that I feel like I'm not as obligated to go to church these days since I live in one!

We are members of the church that this used to be (they built a new one, and merged with another - not related to the merged churches that i bought the altar from). We live next door to the pastor (the parsonage was not part of our purchase).

I do somehow feel safer in a church. I mean, who's going to break in and rob a church? (though I still believe in being prepared and have a home security system). The place is very cool at Haloween - we've been here three years and have been ratcheting it up each year. This year I'm hoping to do strobe lights in the interior so you see flashes of "lightning" through the stained glass. Will go well with the spooky music and fog machine outside :)

Sadly the beautiful stained glass is also the Achilles heel. We can enjoy their beauty, but never see outside. We're working on a solution for that too - custom windows and the stained glass panels will be mounted on tracks that will slide into pockets in the wall. Very big project and lots of $$$

There are a lot of folks who were really sad to leave this church. It is a classic Gothic revival Lutheran church. They don't make 'em like this anymore. People were very scared that we would gut it, sell off the stained glass, and make it into apartments or something. What we've done is just the opposite. We're treating it like a historic building. We need to update it and make it a single family home, but we're doing it in 1930's period style. We have done about 2400 sq ft so far and it has been well received. Venetian plaster walls, plaster ceilings, removed the carpet and refinished all the fir floors, all original 1930's light fixtures we've bought from salvage stores and ebay. We plan on working with the stained glass (as mentioned above) and want to preserve as many architectual details as possible.

We had a couple who did a walkthrough of our house on their 40th anniversary. They stood right where they were when they were married. They missed the chruch, but were happy to see the care going into its transformation. I had another woman in her late 70's stop by wanting a tour. She had been baptized here, her sister was married here, and her father had his funeral here. These kinds of connections are really special and not something you get with a "normal" house.

What's funny now is that our 4 year old daughter will often ask us - as we drive by churches - "Is that a church house or a real church?" She's just starting to understand that living in a "church house" is something unique :)

#214 tradewind

I pray the leadership there pulls their heads out of their asses and starts a damn good fight and finishes it.

/looking at Egypt -- don't even fucking think about it

#4
I don't like Shark Week. I to am happy about that.

orson

Yes, and I like spicy zins, but I have this friend who buys a couple fortybuck bottles of burgundy every week and insists I drink them with her when we grill, and I gotta tell you, I'd rather down a few heinies. I think the clerks are unloading inventory on her, but she loves the damned things and I'm too polite. She loves the bottles I bring over, but it has no effect. It's the romance of believing in the whole "peasant good, enologist bad" romance. Whatever. I have my own stash.

Hey, godfrey and orson (I presume, buggy). While we're on the wine discussion, would either of you happen to remember a story about a wine tasting in which the American wines beat the Fwench wines - hands down?

They did this taste-test 30 years ago and the french were pissed that the American wines did so well. IIRC, that couple from the WSJ reported on the re-match earlier this year.

217 Stormy

I think your house sounds truly unique. I've always liked offbeat architecture. Actually my family has a church, and our old house was turned into the rectory where the priests now live.

Kind the opposite of you.

A new post is up, re "Care for the Children", and unlike my satirical/ironic rants, I hope this one touches, moves and inspires you.

"Protect the Children!"

mahatma coat -

Nothing funnier than those fake letters. There was a band in California called the Beat Farmers who had this *amazing* drummer named Country Dick Montana who had this incredible basso voice and for their encore he used to sit on the edge of the stage and read those letters to an improv jam session by the band, all while chugging down a fifth of taquila...those were the days!

Good night to all of ya'll.

Discuss, (so I can read when I wake up in the middle of the night):

What happens if the bastards do hit Tel Aviv?

Listen, if you are all going to quote Who lyrics, knock off with the hippie era crap and give us some good early stuff...or, even better, Quadrophenia...

#211 Amalie

Aye, and theres a lot to be said for the practicallity of 4 yards of wool tartan and no underwear. (See "Rob Roy" the movie.)

Honestly though, to God, there is no holiness in a building. No mysticism, no magic. The true dwelling of God is inside ye lass.

#219 nimslight

Wow! 215 posts later and I'm still here. No, $#!+, man. What's with the frickin' sharks, anyway? Do we need a whole frickin' week on sharks? Just quit f'ing with the sharks!

tradewind,

What happens if the bastards do hit Tel Aviv?

Hopefully, we will send them to meet "Allan".

If things go like I think they are going, with Iran playing its jihad cards, ordinary citizens like us are going to have to get involved with the military. I served 20 years, but I am ready to put the uniform back on to get this done. We have to deal with the mullahs, and if that means taking out the nuclear sites, whathaveyou, we have to prepare ourselves mentally for that. They might respond with ground forces that will have to be met.

I know it sounds crazy, but this could escalate into a regional, and then world conflict. We will have to lay our gauntlet down on one side or the other. I think I know where that will be.

Still, America will be shocked to learn it is actually in a global conflagration, a World War. It is right out there. It is coming.

If they hit Tel Aviv they turn the dogs loose...

#225 tradewind

If the Hezzbos hit TA, let's just say it will suck to live in Lebanon.

229 Murgtaad

Hopefully, we will send them to meet "Allan".

Allan?

Hippies suck.

noam

Can't recall. A lot of French hate Parker for showing les roix, zey have neaux clothes! That was back in the 80's wasn't it, orson? Maybe Parker has something to do with this contest? This one's for you, orson.

hey kevin v...I will respond to that e-mail..to my great shame I'm terrible at answering letters...tomorrow's looking good though

217 stormy - Reviving a church as a home has to be a killer project! I admire your choice of homes!

Best of luck to ya!

#232 Orson

If the Hezzbos hit TA, let's just say it will suck to live in Lebanon.

Unfortunately, Lebanon is but a pawn. We have to make it suck to live in Tehran.

230 Imploder

Actually I was thinking about this earlier. Yes, Americans will be shocked to find themselves in a World War but think about this?

I imagine the people were shocked when WWI happened and even more shocked when WWII came on its heals less than two decades later..

Hey, did y'all skip the part where someone id's the pier/location?

Pier 34, Newport Beach, CA

#225 tradewind

I found this a few days ago. The link is no longer available.

A senior Israeli military source was swift to react, telling Israel's Channel One television that the Jewish state would destroy Lebanese infrastructure if Tel Aviv was attacked.

#174- Mahatma Coat: AGREE! I used to live in the shadow of the Lincoln Cathedral, arguably the most magnificent example of medieval cathedral architecture, and it was AWE INSPIRING even from a distance!

Up close, humbling, inspiring and beautiful!

(PS: My dad, doing PR work for SAC, got a B-52 to fly directly over the cathedral two times one day, and took some to-this-day never-duplicated pictures of Power/Peace juxtaposed on a brilliant Lincolnshire sky!)

mahatma coat

No worries, mate. But seeing as I am American/British/Irish (with all three passports!) with a Canadian dad, I figure we got a lot in common!

You in Eire at the moment? Is that right?

Candygram for Mr. Ahmadinejad!

Hey, Mahmoud, put up or shut up, make a move midget dwarf. You know you need to.

Imam ain't gonna pop out of the well on the 22nd unless you make a move.

And then we'll oblige and give you all the support we can.

/remember, August 22nd, 12th Imam out of the well, make your move, times a wastin', tick tock, clop, clop, clop, clop

Carradine -

I hope that one day those Cathedrals are full again.

Speaking of awe inspiring, the last time I was in Paris, I woke up at some reason at 5.30 in the morning one day and walked to Notre Dame and watched the sunrise and it from a cafe (kind of) across the street.

To think how long that noble church has been there and what it has meant and seen...

Killian,

remember the Amish drive-by ...

Clop, clop, bang, bang
Clop, clop, clop

A poll at the UTex School of Journalism asks,
Should The New York Times be held liable for treason for disclosing a secret financial-monitoring program used to trace terrorists?
Currently:
Y-43%
N-57%
133 votes

~238 imploder.."we have to make it suck to live in Tehran"...well wouldn't that be nice,problem is it would be bad for our boys in Iraq...seems this war ( and lets not forget it is one)has overtaken the iraqi theater.If we could forget diplomacy and world opinion we'd withdraw(fuck you Murtha) and refocus...Iran is the problem,Iraq,the easier approach is no longer the most important target...if only the msn understood war isn't scripted

Amalie -

remember the Amish drive-by ...

Clop, clop, bang, bang
Clop, clop, clop

I used to think that joke was just a joke until I saw that documentary "The Devil's Playground".

I mean, wow. Watching girls in bonnets smoke Crystal Meth at a party and Amish guys flashing gang signs. I was...amazed.

#238 imploder

If we declared war on Iran, I'd back it 100%. I'd rather see my son go there than Iraq at this point, seeing that most of the insurgency support is coming from there. Also Al Sadr must be put down like the evil rabid foul faced bastard he is. At least take him down and brush those fucking teeth. Damn.

Syria is just a little bitch caught in the middle. I noticed that all the pics of Assad, he looks like a scared school girl about to piss his pants.

Oh, and John Kerry can go to hell for going and talking to the terror supporting bastard.

He is Soros' little bitch. SOmehow, Soros, ANSWER and the jihadis got a thing going on.

#239 Amalie

I imagine the people were shocked when WWI happened and even more shocked when WWII came on its heals less than two decades later..

All the ingredients are there, and it so history repeating itself. The rogue states are collaborating right now on nuclear and missile technology. I predict they will have successful strikes, especially because we refuse to get pre-emptive on their asses. They are working away at nukes, and that is North Korea and Iran, with certain help from the Pakis.

Their focus is Israel, but they have a strategy, one that will play on our distaste for more warfare, especially after our experience in Iraq. The IEDs in Iraq had a strategic bent, not a tactical one, as the surface analysis would suggest. The point was to bomb us each and every day until our will was spent, which it just about is. Then, Iran can make major moves without a response from us. Hell, try and say or do anything about Iran and the fringe left would go ballistic into the ceiling, fretting that they've not even been able to quell Iraq, much less another battle.

The Iranians know this.

They will capitalize. They are going to do something stupid, and they have their buddies in the Russians, North Koreans and Chinese to cover them on the international stage.

The Russians and Chinese may not even get into this, but they will want to, and they very well might.

It is all right there, laid out in front of us.

#247 Amalie

remember the Amish drive-by ...

And TFK.

/who, for LGF purposes, coined the clop . . .

Amalie, imploder

I'd refer you back to the Hanson thread. IMO, we are in a world war, it's just not spread out like the last one. But at least one positive this time around, the good people are already communicating - world wide - about it. Sure, many are not on board, yet, but The Sully Jones Conspiracy thread, also from earlier, goes along way to explaining that.

Before this gets worse, we need to start moving.

Irish cultural festivals cancel Jewish sponsorship

In deference to the suggestions of "Palestinian" participants.

Wankers.

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Thanks! I have done it all with the exception of HVAC and some of the plastering. Refinishing the floors and the wiring have been the two biggest chores to date. They had a nasty gray commercial carpet glued down and that made for a fine mess.

The wiring has been massive. I'm a geek, so everything is home-runned, all rooms are wired for HDTV, whole-house everything. My electrical inspector's jaw hit the floor when he saw my wiring room. He said, "and that's just for the first floor?"

We hope to live here forever and are making this our castle. We'll be upside down in no time, but that's okay - it's a blast. We could still break even at this point, but only because I've put in roughly $125K worth of sweat equity.

The good thing is that the place cost us the equivalent of 16 months of rent in the place we were living at in downtown Boston. Taxes are dirt cheap and the city plows the sidewalks, picks up lawn clippings, has a street sweeper, etc... Our city council really does a great job at allocating our dollars. I think that they do things the way our founding fathers intended. Why buy a $150K street sweeper when you can get a non-working used one for $5K and 'Al's Garage' can fix it for $500 more (he does discount work for the city because we should all do our civic duty he'd say). But I digress...

#40 stormy
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#256

Dammit, Stormy? Are you sure you live in Minnesota?

~243 carridine ..I want those pics!
and kevinv ,yes it would seem we do ...see me in the early house in an hour and we'll discuss it over a cold creamy Guiness

We're going to have some serious choices to make here in the very near future, I only pray that our leaders have the courage of their convictions to follow this thing through.

The rocket volleys and kidnappings of Israeli soldiers were small things, but they very well might have been the catalyst to world war, just like the assasination of the Archduke preluded WWI.

Our enemy is bent on violence and destruction, the 12th imam will not rise up and lead the muslim hordes unless they prove their bloodthirstiness... They have no alternative.

Keep your powder dry, it's coming.

#255 godfrey ...to my eternal shame ...there's no surprise there,Ireland is reflexively leftist ,socialist etc.

#246 KevinV : just a kid of 11, I cherished my few chances to go the ruins of monasteries, and stand, arms stretched over the ruins of a wall, alone with God and the ghosts of the men and women who, as THEIR acts of loving obedience, raised this edifice 800 years past, only to see it sinking back now, to God and Mother Earth...

I could never explain to my AirForce father, my sense of peace and one-ness...

Query for those with some military expertise.

I'm curious about why we never seem to see estimates of wounded among Hezbollah operatives in Lebanon. IDF estimates over 300 killed, but does not seem to estimate wounded. Is there any way of making an informed estimate of the ratio of those killed to those wounded? I know that in the modern US army, the ratio is about 1:12 - but that must be based on things like outstanding evacuation capacities, first rate medical facilities, body armour, etc. In this year, the Israeli ratio so far seems to be about 1:6. I would think that the ratio would be quite low for Hezbollah for the following reasons:

-Israeli brings to bear powerful weapons when it cites a target, including shells and missiles as well as small arms fire;

-Hezbollah is probably not sophisticated at field medicine and may not be able to easily evacuate wounded to hospitals;

-Hezbollah are not fighting in body armour, tanks, armoured personnel carriers. My amateur guess would be that forces who are in such protected environments tend to sustain a high ratio of injuries to deaths.

Suppose the killed/wounded ratio for hezbollah is as low as 1:3. That would still mean total casualties are over a thousand, which sounds large in comparison to a full time fighting force of what, 2000 full time and 6000 reserve fighters. (Are those stats about right?)

I am trying to get a factual understanding of how little or much Hezbollah's fighting capacity has actually been damaged by the campaign so far. Reports to to foucs on infrastructure destroyed, operatives killed and missile inventory left, but I don't really understand what the impact is on personnel in light of the absence of figures on wounded. Can anyone explain to me the latter point, and what it means in terms of Hezbollah's ongoing fighting capacity and morale? Anyone know what IDF does not make estimates in this regard? Or do they, and I just haven't seen the data?

Other queries: when will Israel be able to deploy laser-based anti-missile systems - THEL I think they're called?

How serious is the threat of the deployment of Iranian surface to air missiles in IAF's ability to maintain air supremacy?

Do other factions in Lebanon, including the Christians, Druze, etc, have any military ability to resist Hezbollah? Or is it the only faction in Lebanon with weapons and military organization?

#260 imploder

...I only pray that our leaders have the courage of their convictions to follow this thing through...

I only pray that those lying bastards on the LLL finally recognize the damage they're causing and WAKE THE F*CK UP!

Gee, I wonder how the democrats keep getting half the vote?

#246 KevinV

Notre Dame 1 2 3

There's an even more amazing 360^o pic of Paris and Notre Dame at night that I've seen and am trying to find.

I've always been a huge fan of Gothic churches.

#254 Noam Sayin'

Before this gets worse, we need to start moving.

And if it's not against Iran, it could be a mistake. Iran is the lynchpin to the whole nine yards. Time to make the doughnuts. Still counting on Shorty to precipitate his destruction and give us cover, he's fixated on the 22nd, I guess we'll see what we can see.

/bringing Iran down to her knees in pain would solve 80% of the world's current pronlems

pronlems?

/pronlems, preview hate me

mahatma

All the belfries have moonbats these days.

#247 Amalie

That is:

Clop, clop, clop, *GLARE*
Clop, clop, clop.

Amish drive-by shunning.

#259- Mahatma: I'd send them IF I had them, but they're with my aging father now, 2.25" x 2.25" color transparencies, and Dad was a GOOD photog...

But I'll give it the old college try, 'cuz I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM, too... heh! :D