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1 z  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:42:53pm

Want to talk about caving into international pressure? You needn't say more Mr. Prime Minister.

The most obvious, simple, way to describe it to the average British person is: can you imagine seven million British citizens sitting for 22 days in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham in Newcastle, in Brighton and in other cities? Twenty two days in shelters because a terrorist organisation was shooting rockets and missiles on their heads? What would have been the British reaction to that? Do you know of a country that would have responded to such a brutal attack on its citizens softer than Israel did? Based on my knowledge of history no country in Europe would have responded in such a restrained manner as Israel did.

-Prime Minister Olmert

2 Liz Ard  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:42:58pm

nice

3 realwest  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:44:28pm

NIce photo Charles and much needed after the last thread. I really need to calm down here.

4 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:45:06pm

Finally.

Shark Week is over.

5 sms111  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:45:10pm

Do you know of a country that would have responded to such a brutal attack on its citizens softer than Israel did?

Fwance, homeof the unfired gun?

6 Cartman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:45:26pm

Hey, Realwest! We're good to go, pal! ;-D

7 z  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:46:29pm

Is he bragging about that? Is he proud of that?

8 KevinV  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:47:18pm

z -

That is an excellent quote from the PM. Good for him!

9 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:47:25pm

Beautiful. The foam looks like snow.

10 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:47:54pm

More beaches: the answer

(Muslim 'yutes aren't depraved, they're deprived. If only they could get away...)

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

11 realwest  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:49:15pm

#6 Cartman - Huh? Who's good to go? I'm still packing like crazy!

12 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:49:17pm

#1,

Is there a country who would just stand by?

Ummh, yeah: France

13 scooter  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:50:38pm

Nice to see something that looks cool. Actually, we're experiencing a cold front with temps in the mid 90's F. Time to find a sweater and flannel jammies!


#3 realwest

How's the move coming along? You must be ready to hit the road soon, right?

14 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:50:55pm

Tall things supported by sea-worthy erections lapped by salty waves.

15 kvinay  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:51:10pm

[Link: hinduunity.org...]
The war between Islam and Humanity continues on borders of Lebanon and Israel. HinduUnity.org supports Israel in it's military actions. The importance of these actions cannot be understood by the left psuedo seculars and the blind Muslim sympathizers of the world. When will India come out of it's sari's and bangles and stand up to Muslim aggression in it's own country? Israel is clearly showing us the way on dealing with Islam. Anyone awake in India? Or are we Hindus still chanting the Ghandian mantras and deliberately allowing our manhood to be sacrificed?

16 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:51:48pm

Is this the thread where Neoconrightwingfascistbushitler lovers go to drink?

Cuz I brought my glass.

17 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:52:54pm

#16,

Come to zee Ca ba ret (see Liza kicking)...

18 Cartman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:53:40pm

#11 realwest

Keep packin', bro! Just was on the same page as to needing a breather on the heavy news we've been seein' today. Continued good luck to ya on the move.

19 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:54:07pm

Whadya have? My dog's buyin'

[Link: workinglabs.net...]

20 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:54:31pm

#16 mama winger

*SNORK!*

21 scooter  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:54:43pm

#16 mama winger

How is little winger doing?

22 Cartman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:55:15pm

#16 mama winger

Cuz I brought my glass.

Cheers!

23 6patrick6  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:55:17pm

Nice pier pic! Smell the sea air...and I'm not an ocean-type of guy. Really nice.

24 Stuck in california  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:55:56pm

WooHoo...FNDT.

25 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:55:56pm
#1 z 8/4/2006 07:42PM PDT
Want to talk about caving into international pressure? You needn't say more Mr. Prime Minister.

The most obvious, simple, way to describe it to the average British person is: can you imagine seven million British citizens sitting for 22 days in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham in Newcastle, in Brighton and in other cities? Twenty two days in shelters because a terrorist organisation was shooting rockets and missiles on their heads? What would have been the British reaction to that? Do you know of a country that would have responded to such a brutal attack on its citizens softer than Israel did? Based on my knowledge of history no country in Europe would have responded in such a restrained manner as Israel did.

-Prime Minister Olmert

IIRC it was Prime Minister Churchill that set the standard for proportionally, just ask ‘Bomber’ Harris head of the RAF Bomber Command.

26 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:56:12pm

#19

There's a good dog! Good dog.

mama winger, you're two for two right out of the gate.

27 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:56:33pm

Why do piers have to be so damn ugly? I mean, come on, live a little.

28 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:56:56pm

#21 scooter

He called today - it was the first time in just about a year that I have heard weariness in his voice. He's tired, and the heat is just beating the daylights out of our guys. But other than that, he's good. Two fatalities in nearby units in the last 10 days tho.

29 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:57:47pm
#16 mama winger

Is this the thread where Neoconrightwingfascistbushitler lovers go to drink?

Cuz I brought my glass.

ROFLMAO! That should be a rotating title. Home of neoconrightwingfascistbushitlerjooolovinglizards.

Got my glass too, but its nearly empty and bed will be calling my name soon.

30 SeanGleeson  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:57:54pm

Man, I wish I could post images here! Y'all have got to see my Rejected Pop-Tart flavors illustrations. Like "Pizza-Berry Mint" and "Butterscotch Cheeseburger Parfait." (Well, I mean, you don't got to, you know, it's just, I think they're funny as all heck. Don't go see them if you don't feel like it, that's okay, too.)

31 realwest  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:58:35pm

#13 scooter - Yep, leaving NYC on Tuesday!

#18 Cartman - yeah, I get it now. Man I'm just exhausted. Think I better call it a night and get some zzz's.
Hope to see youse'all tomorrow!

Goodnight, everyone.

32 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:58:37pm

#26 Noam

As long as there are dogs in the world, there's hope for mankind.

33 Allah al Fubar  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:58:43pm

...the Calming thread.

Thank you, Charles

34 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:59:20pm

Don't you love it when the salty water stings your eyes and goes up your nose. How the sand wriggles it way into every little nook and cranny and the waves toss you around like the inside of a washing machine?

35 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:59:36pm
12 tradewind
Is there a country who would just stand by?

Ummh, yeah: France

Nope, Chirac said he would nuke em!

#13 scooter - cold snap down to 90.


I hear you - we just broke 85 and I think I need a sweater.

36 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 5:59:43pm

Restful sleep, realwest.

37 Allah al Fubar  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:00:02pm

#16 Mama Winger!

38 Cartman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:00:41pm

G'nite, 'west.

39 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:01:51pm

#37 Allah al Fubar !

:)

40 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:02:00pm

TGIF. Now to pick an adult beverage. Help me out Lizards:

- Martini (Bombay Gin and Maytag Blue cheese stuffed olives)
- Woodford Reserve (Bourbon - America's offical spirit since 1964)
- David Bruce Petite Syrah (Hardly a 'Petitie' wine!)
- Summit 20th Anniversary ESB (Minnesota brewed beer)
- Lagavulin (This scotch has gone up by $20/bottle in the past three years - I don't have it very often these days)

41 Sheepdogess  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:02:48pm

Mesa police are not releasing the names of the these guys. I wonder why? I hope I'm wrong.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

42 scooter  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:03:07pm

Sweet dreams, realwest. In a few days you will be one of our own...WooHoo! :D

43 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:03:50pm

How about some music to kick this party off?

Something by the Travelling Wilburys...

Tweeter and the monkey man were hard up for cash
They stayed up all night selling cocaine and hash
To an undercover cop who had a sister named jan
For reasons unexplained she loved the monkey man

Tweeter was a boy scout before she went to vietnam
And found out the hard way nobody gives a damn
They knew that they found freedom just across the jersey line
So they hopped into a stolen car took highway 99

And the walls came down all the way to hell
Never saw them when they're standing
Never saw them when they fell

The undercover cop never liked the monkey man
Even back in childhood he wanted to see him in the can
Jan got married at fourteen to a racketeer named bill
She made secret calls to the monkey man from a mansion on the hill

It was out on thunder road - tweeter at the wheel
They crashed into paradise - they could hear them tires squeal
The undercover cop pulled up and said "everyone of you's a liar
If you don't surrender now it's gonna go down to the wire

And the walls came down all the way to hell
Never saw them when they're standing
Never saw them when they fell

An ambulance rolled up - a state trooper close behind
Tweeter took his gun away and messed up his mind
The undercover cop was left tied up to a tree
Near the souvenir stand by the old abandoned factory

Next day the undercover cop was hot in pursuit
He was taking the whole thing personal
He didn't care about the loot
Jan had told him many times it was you to me who taught
In jersey anything's legal as long as you don't get caught

And the walls came down all the way to hell
Never saw them when they're standing
Never saw them when they fell

Someplace by rahway prison they ran out of gas
The undercover cop had cornered them said "boy, you didn't think that this
could last"
Jan jumped out of bed said "there's someplace i gotta go"
She took a gun out of the drawer and said "it's best if you don't know"

The undercover cop was found face down in a field
The monkey man was on the river bridge using tweeter as a shield
Jan said to the monkey man "i'm not fooled by tweeter's curl
I knew him long before he ever became a jersey girl"

And the walls came down all the way to hell
Never saw them when they're standing
Never saw them when they fell

Now the town of jersey city is quieting down again
I'm sitting in a gambling club called the lion's den
The tv set been blown up, every bit of it is gone
Ever since the nightly news show that the monkey man was on

I guess i'll go to florida and get myself some sun
There ain't no more opportunity here, everything's been done
Sometime i think of tweeter, sometime i think of jan
Sometime i don't think about nothing but the monkey man

And the walls came down all the way to hell
Never saw them when they're standing
Never saw t
hem when they fell

44 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:03:57pm

You Friday night imbibers can step up to my bar.

45 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:05:45pm

#44 solomon

No way! Is that really yours?

Are you single?

46 Allah al Fubar  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:06:40pm

#43 Amalie:

Uh.. not so sure 'bout that. I bought a high powered washer last week. Getting tossed around in that barrell, flipped over, and then flopped over inside out and then round the barrel again, upside right, downside left, and spun around until dry & then thrown to the dryer isn't xactly what I'd call sensuous.

/but then again, how in the hell would I know what's cool, not cool, or sensous?

47 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:06:40pm

Couldn't you just wade in...

Beer in hand.
Trusty dog from #19 by your side.
Just to the point where the foamy water swirls around your ankles.
Stomach sucked in.
Chest puffed out.
Proud to be an American.
Tilley hat pulled snug over your noggin.
Unbuttoned pima cotton dress shirt, billowing in the wind, sleeves rolled up.
Winkin' at the perdy girls on the beach.
Then whip the beer away and run headlong into the wave about to crash on the shore...

Couldn't you?

48 scooter  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:06:46pm

#34 Amalie

Don't you love it when the salty water stings your eyes and goes up your nose. How the sand wriggles it way into every little nook and cranny and the waves toss you around like the inside of a washing machine?

No, not really. I'd rather sit on the beach drinking and watch other people snort salt water. ;))

49 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:07:18pm

#44 solomon

Verrry nice!

50 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:07:21pm

#41 Sheepdogess

The did release the names. Heard it on NPR (yeah, yeah)

At Phoenix's City Hall, Police Chief Jack Harris said that "following up on information from the public," officers arrested Dale Hausner and Samuel Diteman on numerous charges, including assault and murder.

51 Cartman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:08:01pm

#34 Amalie

In my mind, there are only a precious few experiences in this life that hold greater therapeutic value or pleasure than a day in the surf and sun.

52 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:08:53pm

solomonpanting

That's no bar, that's an altarpiece.

53 Stuck in california  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:08:54pm
Then whip the beer away and run headlong into the wave about to crash on the shore...

That is alcohol abuse!

54 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:09:09pm

#47 Noam

Couldn't you?

I'd love to, but you'd have to carry me.

55 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:09:18pm

'nite, realwest.

Bet I catch you on the dead thread in the morning, you Chatty Cathy, you.

56 Allah al Fubar  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:09:23pm

#47 Noam

Quiddit

57 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:09:32pm

sms111...wanna buy afrench rifle?Only dropped once and never fired.

58 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:10:41pm

#45 mama winger

LOL!
Actually, I built it about seven years ago for a client. :(

This is the adjacent piece.

59 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:10:43pm

#19,
I'll see your lab and raise ya one of my Goldens. They can have a chuggin' contest...
[Link: denverbryan.com...]

60 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:11:51pm

58 sp

Right, that's the altar in the side chapel.

Nice work.

61 Cartman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:12:02pm

#40 stormy

Raising both pinky fingers, and choosing the Martini with the olive, minus the foo-foo stuff. ;)

63 oldercadet  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:13:02pm

I was just listening to "the world tonight" on the Calgary AM 770 station. I just caught the last few minutes because I was also watching the Red Sox win. They had several callers complaining about the lack of support for the 'troops' and Isreal. They also complained about Canadian equivalent of PBS. I guess that not all have become 'progressives'.
I had it tuned in because I had told an acquantance to tune in to hear a segment on debunking the WTC conspiracy theory site that shows "Loose Change". He believes in the 'insider' link and I can't convince him that it is a crock. I guess that it keeps life interesting for paranoids.
The opening of the new movie will have all of them foaming at the mouth on the 'talk' shows. The 'Bush haters' would sooo like to have it be true.
(I haven't posted for a while, hope I am not too out of touch)
OH, Well

64 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:13:43pm

#40 Stormy

Martini (Bombay Gin and Maytag Blue cheese stuffed olives)
- Woodford Reserve (Bourbon - America's offical spirit since 1964)
- David Bruce Petite Syrah (Hardly a 'Petitie' wine!)
- Summit 20th Anniversary ESB (Minnesota brewed beer)
- Lagavulin (This scotch has gone up by $20/bottle in the past three years - I don't have it very often these days)

When face with too many options for a Friday night, just go with the martini. Got any Stoli?

Hmm... Maytag Blue, Summit ESB...

You a Minnesotan?

65 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:13:51pm

And did I mention how it feels when your head cracks like a coconut against a pier?

66 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:14:06pm

SP

Who was the client, Dracula? Nothing says "crypt" like dry, pallid stones and gothic sconces.

67 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:14:22pm

#58 solomon

Your work is incredible! Amazingly beautiful.

#59 tradewind

Actually, I have a Golden too - I just couldn't find a picture of one with beer LOL! The lab was as close as I could get. My baby Golden turned 7 yesterday. I pretend she's only three.

68 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:14:40pm

Solomon

That's really nice workmanship..

69 The Albatross  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:16:17pm

From the Israel Insider, Mr. "Green Helmet" has been identified... a mortician:

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

Hezbollywood. Heh.

70 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:16:20pm

66 godfrey

The client was/is a single guy who obviously needs to get in touch with his feminist side.

71 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:16:31pm

Hoo rah for the martini, the last blast of exhaust from pre-boomer culture. Fedoras and silk stockings. Those people knew how to drink.

72 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:16:59pm

#67 mamawinger

Actually, I have a Golden too - I just couldn't find a picture of one with beer LOL!

I snapped this one of my Labby about five minutes ago. She's stays cool on the tile.

Eventually she ends up on my feet while I'm reading or studying.

73 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:17:02pm

#63oldercadet..thats because even in Ireland we know Alberta rocks.Home of the western standard and the most un- pc province in the dominion

74 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:17:30pm

#63 oldercadet

Nice to see you! You a baseball fan? Me too. (If you can call the Cubs baseball.)

75 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:18:02pm

SP

He needs to get in touch with something. Preferably something with a pulse.

76 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:18:36pm

63 older-cadet

I had it tuned in because I had told an acquaintance to tune in to hear a segment on debunking the WTC conspiracy theory site that shows "Loose Change". He believes in the 'insider' link and I can't convince him that it is a crock

I think that once someone believes a theory such as this that chances are they won't be very easy to convince otherwise.

77 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:18:37pm

Spot on, godfrey.

And dress, too. Silk stockings - with that line up the back.

78 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:18:52pm

#72 imploder

What a sweetheart. I bet you don't love her much. :)

79 Murqtaad  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:19:08pm

Godfrey,

Why do piers have to be so damn ugly? I mean, come on, live a little.

I agree, they should look more like minarets.

80 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:20:20pm

77 Noam

The line up the back is called a "seam."

81 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:20:36pm
don't let up until we're through

Yes. Please pass this along to Ohlmert and Peretz.

82 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:21:00pm

mahatma coat

Hello, how are you?

83 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:21:02pm

mama winger
Amalie

Thank you very much.
But sometimes a client who requests a "port-a-coop" throws a curve into the mix.
:>;

84 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:21:15pm
Silk stockings - with that line up the back.


Someone throw some cold saltwater on Noam.

85 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:21:15pm

and we love those seams amalie

86 Murqtaad  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:21:55pm

mama,

you feelin any better?

87 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:22:13pm

Moonbat bleeding-heart anti-gun update from Maryland:

I went target shooting today for the first time in a while, to find that among several new state regulations governing shooting ranges, there's this:

"Use of a standard range target is required. Not: target spots on backers, playing cards, empty ammo boxes, clothes pins, colored tape pieces or "hostage" type targets. NO HEAD SHOTS ALLOWED!" (Their emphasis.)

I saw one guy using a "silhouette" type target. One is now required to turn the head part back and down so it is not visible. Because, obviously, in a great liberal state like Maryland, a person in a self-defense sitch would never do the two-to-the-chest-one-to-the-head thing. That would just be mean, and might hurt some innocent perp's feelings.

Can anyone with a moonbat decoder ring explain to me what possible societal good is achieved by a law forbidding people from shooting sheets of paper where there is a schematic outline of a head? Please?

/I just don't understand moonbats anymore...

88 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:22:30pm

#83

hahahaha ! That'll keep ya humble ! :)

89 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:22:57pm

Hey SP

I like the turning in the side piece. Nice and weighty, but not too much. Were you looking at Jacobean models? I wonder what kind of pulls they put on their doors. Drops, maybe?

90 The Albatross  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:23:03pm

Or a couple of parodies from spiff?

I Blog Alone (caution the pic of a nekid blogger might make you blow chunks):
[Link: www.spaff.com...]

Iranian Uranium: [Link: www.spaff.com...]

Have a good evening Lizards.

91 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:23:38pm

83 solomon

A port-a-coop.

Shame on you, cooping up innocent animals. They should be allowed to run free.

/:D

92 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:23:47pm

#67, mamawinger,

Got a pair of them here, both eight: one acts it, the other is still a pup. They're the best.
/sorry Lizardoids, end of my dog thread, promise/

93 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:23:56pm

Amalie its 4:20 ..pub closed hours ago...been better .Thank God they have something here called the early house...and yer fine self?

94 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:24:00pm
Were on our own cousin,
all alone cousin.
Let's think of a game to play
Now the grownups have all gone away.
You won't be much fun
being blind deaf and dumb
But I've no one to play with today.
D'you know how to play hide and seek?
To find me it would take you a week,
But tied to that chair you won't go anywhere
There's a lot I can do to a freak.
How would you feel if I turned on the bath,
Ducked your head under and started to laugh.
What would you do if I shut you outside,
To stand in the rain
and catch cold so you died?

I'm the school bully !
The classroom cheat.
The nastiest playfriend,
You ever could meet.
I'll stick pins in your fingers
And tread on your feet...

Maybe a cigarette burn on your arm
Would change your expression to one of alarm,
I'll drag you around by a lock of your hair
Or give you a push at the top of the stairs...

I'm the school bully !
The classroom cheat.
The nastiest playfriend,
You ever could meet.
I'll put glass in your dinner
And spikes in your seat...

The Who/Tommy/Cousin Kevin

95 oldercadet  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:24:29pm

Actually I just finished a bottle of "Crossing" Sav. Blanc. 2005. (New Zealand)Screw cap bottle but cost $15. Pretty good stuff. The discount at the promo-sale cut the price down to size, so I didn't have to 'roll it on my tongue'to 'appreciate it.
the only down side is that the Yankees won so the Red Sox are still in second place.
some things just have to change.

96 lowandslow  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:24:45pm
And did I mention how it feels when your head cracks like a coconut against a pier?

Hate it when that happens. Like the time I...

97 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:24:51pm

#86 Murqtaad

Aren't you kind to ask. I am doing a little better,each day, I think. It'll be a long road - about 2-3 months before I can safely leave BloodClotLand. But everyday I wake up on the right side of the dirt, so I give thanks. :)

98 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:25:42pm

#87 Cato the Elder

We just go out to the desert and shoot whatever we want. Usally I just make little rocks out of big rocks.

99 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:25:52pm

85 mahatma coat

Yes, you do..

I can tell you all about the denier, the gauge, the weight of the stockings..

About the whole suit of feminine armor women used to employ, and still do on occasion..

100 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:26:24pm

Line, seam, still sexy.

101 shug  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:27:09pm

Serfs Up


/citizens of Iran

102 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:27:25pm

#100, noam,

Don't be a wuss, go for the fishnets...
/grin/

103 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:27:30pm
Hate it when that happens. Like the time I...

tried to make time with this incredibly hot co-ed in the student union, turned around, and walked forehead-first into a pillar.

104 SeanGleeson  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:27:41pm

So, is Castro dead yet, or what? I'm getting impatient.

105 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:28:10pm

93 mahatma coat

It's still early here, still Friday night.. since you are in the future you could tell us tomorrow's news..

106 Kirly  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:28:13pm
#67 mama winger

#58 solomon

Your work is incredible! Amazingly beautiful

I agree! Woodworking is something that's always fascinated me. I tried making a table once...slate tile table top, iron legs, and wood edge trim. Never could get that wood edge trim right though. And the table probably weighed close to 500 pounds due to it's size and the cement backer board under the tile and the 3/4 medium density fiber board beneath that. ha! it it would have turned out, it would have been beautiful

107 Murqtaad  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:28:21pm

mama,

the cupcakes kick ass!

stay strong!

108 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:28:56pm

Another gem from Nasrallah:

"We naturally prefer that it is a military against military fight, on the ground, on the battlefield _ we are ready for it," he said.

That explains everything.

109 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:29:10pm

#102 tradewind 8/4/2006 08:27PM PDT

#100, noam,

Don't be a wuss, go for the fishnets...

LOL ~

110 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:29:11pm

#92 tradewind

Like my son says, "When God made dogs, Golden Retrievers are what He had in mind."

OK I'm done too :)

111 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:29:14pm

#78 Mamawinger

What a sweetheart. I bet you don't love her much. :)

She's a good doggle. She's very, very smart, if not a little bullheaded. I've trained her on most all of her obedience on one $25 bucket of freeze dried beef liver chunks. She'll run around Texas for a beef liver chunk. Slather it in peanut butter, she'll dig a hole to China.

112 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:30:26pm

sure its just a seam but...Igive my head a shake and back to the issue at hand ...go israel go...sorry to make you do our dirty workbut the truth is we're scared

113 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:30:38pm
#87 Cato the Elder 8/4/2006 08:22PM PDT
Moonbat bleeding-heart anti-gun update from Maryland:
Snip…

It’s really simple. The moonbats know that they cannot take all our rights away all at once. Therefore they take a little bit whenever and wherever they think they can get away with it. It’s the old frog in the pan of water trick.

// Support the NRA.

114 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:30:47pm

#108,

And didn't you just love the part where he said ' we don't want to defend any territory, We're guerillas...we want to lure them into the cities and kill them that way' (or some shiite like that).

115 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:30:54pm

Awful dangers shooting rocks, Sage. Sometimes they ricochet straight back at you.

That's what beer bottles are for.

116 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:31:19pm

Dangers?

PIMF

Dangerous.

117 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:31:19pm

Yalla Ya Nasrallah!

118 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:31:58pm

89 godfrey

The customer, who was after a 'French Country' motif, had a designer draw up the details. I glued up the stock and took it to a lathe man, who did an excellent job.

#91 Amalie

The portability gives the birds a free-ranging possibility and the homeowner the opportunity to fertilize the entire area!

119 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:32:04pm

Ahh,

frothy surf under a cool, cloudy sky

120 mama winger  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:32:19pm

I have had so much fun here tonight! Thanks everyone - goodnight!

121 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:32:32pm

Am

I loved that video. That's the stuff.

122 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:32:34pm

113 Da Beerfreak

It’s the old frog in the pan of water trick.

I missed that one.

123 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:32:43pm

#94 Killian Bundy

Do you think it's all right to leave the boy with Uncle Ernie?

124 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:33:21pm

Night Mama Winger

God bless you, your son, your family.. and wishing you a speedy recovery..

Am

125 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:33:24pm

#115 noaminsayin..."thats what beer bottles are for"...I thought they're fur emptying

126 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:33:52pm

#122,

(You remember, that's the one where the heat gets turned up so gradually that they're poached before they realize it's even hot)

127 Tasty_Beverage  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:34:04pm

#87 Cato the Elder

After 9/11 I was at the range and they were handing out Osama head targets to anyone that wanted one. We all shot his head to shit, just a ripped open hole where his fugly mug used to be.

When libs found out about it they were "offended".

128 hornet  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:34:08pm

Rally FOR Israel in Londonistan.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

How did the Beeb (BBC) let this one through?

129 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:34:41pm

#98 DesertSage 8/4/2006 08:25PM PDT

#87 Cato the Elder

We just go out to the desert and shoot whatever we want.

Let those poor prairie plague dogs live!

130 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:35:32pm

I didn't say beer, mahatma. Though the ones that go skunky are in season.

Don't be a wuss, go for the fishnets...

Also sexy.

131 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:35:47pm

What Amalie said.

132 Murqtaad  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:35:49pm

Whats Nasr'allah mean in arabic? House/man of god?

133 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:36:00pm

I gotta pee. Where's the fence?

134 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:36:11pm

121 godfrey

I loved that video too.

Yalla Ya Nasrallah...

"your beard has lice"

"we're going to blow you and Hizbollah back to Allah"

135 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:36:52pm

tasty

These days, you could make Islamonazi head targets a cottage industry.

136 oldercadet  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:37:15pm

#87 Cato the Elder
I just got the card from the department of public safety today that my lic. to carry will soon expire. Even in Mass there are a few towns where you can still get a lic. with "for all lawful purposes" on the validation line. Some towns won't let you past the front door. There is too much local descretion in the law. where you live determines 'the law' or at least the local chief does. I worked as a 'part timer' on the local force for many years and still couldn't get a lic. in some towns. they still think that putting restrictions on legal licensed owners will reduce street crime. I am sure that the 'street people' really worry about being "legal"!
The $100 every four years doesn't make me too happy either.

137 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:37:34pm

murqtaad

Nostril of Allah?

138 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:37:35pm

#108 Who Watches the Watchmen?

"We naturally prefer that it is a military against military fight, on the ground, on the battlefield _ we are ready for it," he said.


I nominate that for funniest fucking joke of the week.

139 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:37:37pm

French Beach Rises Amid Housing Projects

There are colorful parasols and lounge chairs and the gleeful sounds of children splashing in clear blue water or playing volleyball on the fine white sand. What's unusual about this summer snapshot are the gritty high-rises in the background and the occasional robed Muslim man or veiled woman trudging across the sand.

These housing projects that were a flashpoint for riots that engulfed dilapidated poor French neighborhoods last fall have created their own beach _ hundreds of miles from the coast and a world away from the vacation spots of France.

Courneuve Plage, or beach, was created to entertain youths from families too poor to take part in France's traditional summer ritual _ the trek to the seaside, mountains or inland waterways.

/hey, whatever keeps 'em from burning cars, I guess

140 scooter  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:37:58pm

#104 SeanGleeson

So, is Castro dead yet, or what? I'm getting impatient.

Yes. I know the feeling. Remember how long it took Arafat to officially die? Every morning for nearly two weeks I awakened, switched on the news to see if the old boofer was dead.

It's problably a money 'thang' as it was with Arafat. Loads of details to be sorted out before they can get on with the business of actually being dead.

And with that cheery thought, I'm off. Good night, all.

141 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:39:00pm

#52 godfrey

This is an altar!

Hope this link works... I've never tried sharing a folder.

Yes, this is in our house, which happens to be a 119 year old church. When I bought this I planned on making it into a mantle. I wanted a very big Rumford fireplace and this seemed like a cool way to dress it up. Once I got it home though (and assembled - whew!) I started to really appreciate the craftsmanship and the quality of the quarter sawn oak. (I'm an intermediate woodworker myself). Anyhow, I'm now having second thoughts. My wife still would like to see it incorporated into a fireplace though!

My latest thought was to pop out the middle panel (which is held in from the inside with some blocks) and get a custom gas fireplace built so we would have the fire without cutting into the altar. I'm working on some other creative ways of dealing with it, but none are very easy.

The painting (that isn't in these pictures) is an original oil done by a prominent female artist and I've been told it is worth much more than the altar (which isn't a cheap piece of furniture!).

Oh, and the tiles that are off the wall behind the altar were where we anchored in a block and tackle so we could winch the top half of the altar up. The thing is a beast to move. I'm also proud to say that I turned the top finial which had been cut off because the thing was too tall for the last church it was in!

142 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:39:19pm

#113 Beerfreak:

I agree with what you say, but have to tell you that the whole "frog in a pan of water" thing is a giant, stupid urban myth. A frog will NOT sit there and let itself be slowly boiled. Scientifically proven, but I'm too tired to go find the link again.

Good arguments are not strengthened by BS analogies...

143 Murqtaad  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:39:42pm

Nostril of Allah

D'oh! shoulda known

144 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:39:43pm

Remember this?


Noam Chomsky: "Hezbullah's insistence on keeping it's arms is justified" MIT prof met with Nasrallah at terrorist HQ in May 2006

[Link: www.militantislammonitor.org...]

The link is "militantislammonitor

145 mich-again  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:39:48pm

Oh this is a nice find. Link Its John Dingell's official response to Rush Limbaugh's segment about Dingell's interview with local reporter Devin Scillian in which Dingell refused to condemn Israel, but rather staked out the morally equivalent middle ground, refusing to condemn either party. Ok, find the worthy rotating title in his quote ...

You and I disagree on many things, but we do share a love of this country and its people. I ask you to use your influence to stoke the fires for peace in the Middle East - a peace that will advance America's standing in all corners of the world - instead of furthering the bloodshed and pain for the sake of partisan politics.

John Dingell, stoking the fires for peace in the Middle East.

And by the way Congressman John Dingbell, while your staff took to cook up that Double-Whopper-with-cheese of a statement, they should have clarified that you were talking out your ass during the interview when you claimed that Israel was surrounded by a billion and a half Arabs. Nobody called him out on that.

146 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:41:29pm

#64 Noam Sayin'

Yah, don'tchya know. Central MN here...

147 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:42:03pm

Gulf waters to be calm next 5 days.


Former Tropical Depression Chris loses battle to upper level convergence, dry air and Northeasterly shear, loses all convection and degenerates back into an open wave.


Official NHC forecast carries Chris as a tropical depression to the Mexican coast about 200 km South of Brownsville, but it appears Chris has given up the tropical ghost

148 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:42:28pm

Amalie whats yer time zone?

149 USA  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:42:54pm

Qana, Revisited

[Link: www.canada.com...]

Initially, 57 people were said to have died in the Qana tragedy. But many analysts who have seen the footage point out that some of the dead pulled from the collapsed apartment were in an advanced state of decomposition, far more so than if they had died scant hours earlier.

It also should be remembered that only one side in this dispute -- Hezbollah -- is deliberately targeting civilians. Using human shields and allegedly digging up dead children so they can be sent to Qana and used as political props are despicable acts -- but also acts that would be entirely in keeping with its nihilist creed.
The episode offers one more reminder why the world must give Israel the time it needs to subdue this dangerous terrorist group and ensure it is never allowed to plunge the region into warfare again.

150 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:42:59pm

OK, this should clear up any questions you might have:

Louie, Louie, oh, oh, me gotta go
Louie, Louie, oh, oh, me gotta go

Fine little girl she waits for me
Me catch the ship for cross the sea
Me sail the ship all alone
Me never think me make it home

Louie, Louie...

Three nights and days me sail the sea
Me think of girl constantly
On the ship I dream she there
I smell the rose in her hair

Louie, Louie...

Me see Jamaica moon above
It won't be long, me see my love,
I take her in my arms and then
Me tell her I never leave again

Louie, Louie...

151 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:43:33pm

#137 godfrey

I think it means Allah's butthole.

152 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:44:07pm

#141 Stormy

this is an altar

Yes it is. Don't know if I would light a fire underneath an altar myself, even if it seems like it would make a nice hearth.

Still, what do you do with a decomissioned altar? The Episcopal church in Midland, TX had a bunch of church furniture like that, they dontated it to a parrish in Mexico. I went down and saw it, it was really cool that they kept it going.

153 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:44:12pm

Mahatma Coat

Mountain Time Zone

154 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:44:12pm

stormy

This was an Anglican or Episcopalian altar, right? That is some nice oak. Any tiger striping in the grain?

I'm always on the lookout for quartersawn billets at least 8" wide with tight vertical grain...

155 mattm  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:44:24pm

In a year or two that will be under water because of man-made global warming.

/Al Gore

156 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:44:34pm
#123 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Do you think it's all right to leave the boy with Uncle Ernie?

Pete Townshend apparently did.

I'm your wicked Uncle Ernie
I'm glad you won't see or hear me
As I fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about !

Your mother left me here to mind you
Now I'm doing what I want to
Fiddling about
Fiddling about
Fiddle about!

Down with the bedclothes
Up with the nightshirt!
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about !

You won't shout as I fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about !
Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle.

/The Who/Tommy/Fiddle About

157 shug  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:45:18pm

143 murqtaad

Nostril of Allah

Henry Waxman?

158 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:45:25pm

147 Ed

Poor Ed.. you missed the hurricane thread..

/all the sleazy photographers, shot dead!

159 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:45:41pm

#95 oldercadet

No need to apologize for the screw cap. The days of that being a bad thing are numbered. Cline and a few other good wineries are using screw caps. They are technically a better solution, but people miss the romance of the cork pop.

I just read today (in an email from a wine store I mail-order from) that there is a new product called a Zork that is a screwtop with the sound of a cork. Haven't seen it in person, but could be the right answer to remove some of the stigma associated with screwcaps.

And that folks, is the power of sharing on a blog :P

160 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:46:00pm
147 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades Gulf waters to be calm next 5 days

.

To the deep and painful chagrin of the Enviro-coms.

161 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:46:13pm

150 Desert Sage

LOL...

hahahaha~!

162 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:47:00pm

7 hours behind me then?

163 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:47:35pm

I'm sorry, I know it's just me, but I spent most of my earlier life trying to get out of going to church and so the last thing I want is to live in one..

164 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:48:14pm

#141 Stormy

I'm also proud to say that I turned the top finial which had been cut off because the thing was too tall for the last church it was in!

I had a customer who bought an antique bookcase/cabinet that was too tall to fit under an arched hallway header. He ended up cutting the plaster and just a bit of the header, patched it up and then had me put 'feet' under the piece. If he ever wants to move, the piece will either stay or he'll have to reverse the process.

165 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:48:18pm

#143,

It means (holding nose) ' Help' or in this case, Helper of god allah.

In otherwords, the devil's flunky.

166 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:48:33pm

I think the dude's name was Michael Ware, might have been an Australian. CNN reporter in Beirut, asked by Anderson Cooper whether Iraqi Shi'ites (The Mahdi Army) were antisemitic, said that while most Arabs have an ingrained dislike for Israel, Iraqi Arabs didn't develop a hatred of Jews until the American invasion of Iraq.

167 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:48:56pm

#156 Killian Bundy

Judging by the contents of Pete's computer, he did a lot of research on Uncle Ernie.

The camp with a difference,
never mind the weather,
when you come to Tommy's,
the 'oliday's forever

Now you've done it, Ollie. I was on my way to bed, but I may have to stay up and give Tommy a spin.

168 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:48:56pm

Mahatma Coat

That's right.. seven hours..

169 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:49:17pm
#142 Cato the Elder 8/4/2006 08:39PM PDT
#113 Beerfreak:

I agree with what you say, but have to tell you that the whole "frog in a pan of water" thing is a giant, stupid urban myth. A frog will NOT sit there and let itself be slowly boiled. Scientifically proven, but I'm too tired to go find the link again.

Good arguments are not strengthened by BS analogies...

It may be BS but it is still a good image. And no one said that an analogy has to be 100% accurate.

170 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:49:48pm

Screwcaps, hmm. I'm all for 'em fer drinkin' in the house. In a field with a pretty girl, it's got to be a cork. In a restaurant, one of those synthetic corks will do just as well.

Focus group over. My cup runneth over again, so it's time to unfocus. Ah...

171 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:50:29pm

#150,

Hey! Those aren't the lyrics we learned in school...

172 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:51:19pm

165 ... and here I thought it meant, Booger of Allah ...

173 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:51:20pm
#146 Stormy 8/4/2006 08:41PM PDT
#64 Noam Sayin'

Yah, don'tchya know. Central MN here...

Is dat right, den? Ah, geez. Looks like yer gettin some wedder out dere den, hey?

Twin Cities, but from farther north... den.

Nothing to worry about here, folks. Just a couple Minnesotans speaking in our native tongue.

174 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:51:26pm

aMALIE YOU JUST HAVEN'T SEEN THE RIGHT CHURCHES .i'VE SEEN MANY CATHEDERALS HERE AND IN BRITAIN AND REALLY ,THEY'RE JUST HUMBLING.A REMINDER OF THE BEAUTIFUL CULTURE WE'RE FLUSHING DOWN THE LOO

175 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:51:57pm
Screwcaps, hmm. I'm all for 'em fer drinkin' in the house.

Once you uncork that bottle, you have to finish it! It is by design.

176 Murqtaad  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:52:22pm

tradewind,

satans helper?

177 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:52:30pm

#166 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

What utter bullshit. We know that the Jews were run out of Iraq and not allowed to return.

NO one hated the US until Iraq, right? LOL


What goddamn liars.

178 Tasty_Beverage  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:53:56pm

#135 godfrey

These days, you could make Islamonazi head targets a cottage industry.

You might be right about that. I know that you can easily find Osama and Saddam head targets, but I bet some "informed" people might be interested in targets of other big time jihad players, just for variety and entertainment value. That's an interesting idea (my shooting companions and I have been printing out the faces of various people for target practice for years).

#142 Cato the Elder

Froggy don't boil (You have to skip an obligatory ad at the link)

179 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:54:17pm

Mahatma

But I don't care to live in one, Mahatma.. It would inhibit me.

180 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:54:39pm

Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Ed, what happened to that big blow, Chris?

As an original Floridiot, I know the season really does not get pumping until September, but dang, this one has been kinda quiet.

Is Global Warming killing our tropical cyclone season?!?

181 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:54:46pm

Hello all,
Here is this week's Michael Ramirez Gallery

182 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:54:47pm

#176,

If the camel-dung-stained shoe fits, he should wear it...

183 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:55:18pm

#175 imploder

Once you uncork that bottle, you have to finish it! It is by design.

And?

184 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:55:21pm

I cannot even imagine going around nude in a house that used to be a church..

185 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:55:43pm

#154 godfrey

Have to admit, I don't know much about its history. It came from a Lutheran church that was closing (and merging) with another church. It is a real conversation piece to say the least.

It is difficult to see in the photos, but medullary ray flecks ooze throughout. Even people who don't know much about furniture or wood start asking about "those stripes in the wood" first thing. It's a great conversation piece on many levels:

- An altar in the house... wtf is up with that?
- The crafsmanship - all the detail, the wood
- The art, who was the artist, what does the scene depict?
- History of where it came from
- How did you get it in your house?
- Does it come apart?

and on and on... great icebreaker when we have get togethers with people we don't know.

186 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:56:21pm

173 Noam

LOL ~

187 Murqtaad  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:56:58pm

tradewind,

word.

188 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:57:18pm

#170 godfrey

Wineries have gone to new processes that simulate aging in their wines. That way, a Pinot can be opened in 2 years instead of 8 and it tastes just as good. Also, the quality of natural cork is not so good these days and many bottles of expensive wines are ruined due to bad or "corky" taste.

Many Oregon wineries are using rubber corks as well.

Many of the big name wineries are going to screw caps and for a pinot, it is well to leave open for a few hours before drinking. It also helps to decant it first into a carafe and make sure to pour high so it bubbles a lot.

/sulfites suck

189 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:57:44pm

DS

That is so much better than that love poem to Hizb'Allah a few days back.

a "Louie Louie" page

You have to admire the guy who transcribed the melody in standard notation. He even captured essential rhythmic nuance in bar seven with those inspired sixteenth notes.

/applause

190 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:57:59pm

#183 Noam

And?

And then you're done with it.

191 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:58:21pm

I'd love it with the choir going constantly reminding me of our greatest strength...the FACT that our culture is infinitely superior.We're right ,they're wrong.A stupidly simple statement but one you'd never hear from the msn.

192 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:59:03pm

181 RTLM

Just awesome, those cartoons.. thanks for the link!

193 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:59:15pm

#188,

One of life's little bummers: crumbly cork in the vino. Whatever sends that to the dustbin of history can't be bad.

194 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 6:59:36pm

Am

On the way to the pool, you'd pass an alcove in your flip-flops, margarita in hand... and suddenly feel an inexplicable urge to go to confession.

It would be complicated.

195 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:00:10pm

#193

One of life's little bummers: crumbly cork in the vino. Whatever sends that to the dustbin of history can't be bad.

But what of the Portuguese cork farmers?

196 KevinV  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:00:24pm

If you want a laugh, head on over to Tim Blair and read the comments in the Women of the IDF post he put up today.

Samples:

Hey, my name is Paqo ibn Paqo and I’m a Hezbollah block captain and I want to surrender! RIGHT NOW!

Dear Tim Blair Forum,

I never thought the letters in your comments section were true until one summer when I was carrying rocket propelled grenades into a local preschool…

197 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:00:45pm

Amalie

I cannot even imagine going around nude in a house that used to be a church..

Hmm...

*shakes head*

Nope. No, I'm gonna let this one go.

198 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:01:02pm

Chris is dead.

Of course, the real meat and potatoes of hurricane season is mid-August to mid-September, and the Gulf Coast of Florida stays in the action through October.

199 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:01:04pm
#167 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I was on my way to bed, but I may have to stay up and give Tommy a spin.

Well, you could just forget it ever happened.

I've got a feeling twenty one
Is going to be a good year.
Especially if you and me
See it in together.

So you think 21 is going to be a good year.
It could be for me and her,
But you and her-no never!
I had no reason to be over optimistic,
But somehow when you smiled
I could brave bad weather

What about the boy?
What about the boy?
What about the boy?
He saw it all!

You didn't hear it
You didn't see it.
You won't say nothing to no one
ever in your life.
You never heard it
Oh how absurd it
All seems without any proof.
You didn't hear it
You didn't see it
You never heard it not a word of it.
You won't say nothing to no one
Never tell a soul
What you know is the Truth

/The Who/Tommy/You Didn't Hear It (1921)

200 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:01:28pm

We're right, they are wrong.

*No, you won't hear this from the MSM. Not in a million years.

201 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:02:01pm

#190 imploder

And then you're done with it.

Just checkin'

202 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:02:04pm

Dear Tim Blair;
I go to a small mid western university...

203 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:02:16pm

#195,

Screw(cap) 'em if they can't take a joke...
/smile/

204 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:02:44pm

194 godfrey

Yes, it would be too complicated. In so many different levels.

205 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:03:08pm

#184 Amalie

Were you born with clothes on? Can God not see you when you shower?

LOL

206 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:04:02pm

Noam

Could you live in an old church that was renovated somewhat into a home?

207 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:04:44pm

#43 TotallySirius

I love the album. Listened to it just last week. It certainly sounds like the guys had a lot of fun making it, especially

Dirty World

He loves your sexy body, he loves your dirty mind
He loves when you hold him, grab him from behind
Oh baby, you're such a pretty thing
I can't wait to introduce you to the other members of my gang
You don't need no wax job, you're smooth enough for me
If you need you oil changed I'll do it for you free
Oh baby, the pleasure would be all mine
If you let me drive your pickup truck and park it where the sun don't shine
Every time he touches you his hair stands up on end
His legs begin to quiver and his mind begins to bend
Oh baby, you're such a tasty treat
But I'm under doctor's orders, I'm afraid to overeat
He loves your sense of humor, your disposition too
There's absolutely nothing that he don't love about you
Oh baby, I'm on my hands and knees
Life would be so simple if I only had you to please
Oh baby, turn around and say goodbye
You go to the airport now and I'm going home to cry
He loves your...
Electric dumplings
Red bell peppers
Fuel injection
Service charge
Five-speed gearbox
Long insurance
Quest for junk food
Big refrigerator
Trembling wilbury
Marble earrings
Porky curtains
Power steering
Bottled water
Parts and services

Dirty world, a dirty world, it's a ...ing dirty world

208 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:04:47pm
Chris is dead.

This does not bode well for those praying for chaos. What if the season is a fizzle? I lived in Florida for 20 years until I went off in the military, the whole time I was there we never got popped with a big storm, I lived near Ocala.

When I was stationed at Hurlburt Field in 95 we had Opal, and as bad as she was, it was really pretty minor, cat 3/2.

Florida was quiet with a couple of exceptions for a lot of years. One notable exception was Andrew. Who could forget that monster?

209 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:05:14pm

tasty

I want royalties.

orson

You got that right. The Fwench can piss and moan all they want about terroir, but a lot of terroir, well, tastes like dirt. No tanks, I'll stick with the "international style" Robert Parker likes: big, well-balanced and jammy. Life's too short and my pockets too small to put up with bodiless tannic reds. Blech.

210 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:05:30pm

#194 godfrey

I'm glad I held myself back on that one. Yours was actually kinda deep.

211 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:07:31pm

205 Orson

You're Scottish, you could probably go nude to the grocery store and not think a thing about it..

212 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:07:50pm

#209 godfrey

Willamette Valley pinot is big, fat and has legs like a thoroughbred. The frogs got nothin on Oregon. A hint of tannin is essential though.

213 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:07:51pm
But what of the Portuguese cork farmers?

Tell them "tudo isto fado". They'll understand and pour you a nice glass of vinho verde.

214 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:07:51pm

Damn, they are just going nuts with the ketuyshas.

Pray for Israeli citizens, ya'll.

/Out/

215 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:09:12pm

Goodnight Tradewind

Thanks for the reminder..

216 Orbit Rain  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:10:12pm

oh...didn't really notice this the last time through...

(still the dark water ;)

217 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:10:30pm

#163 Amalie

I understand your feelins. It takes a little time to get past the whole "it used to be a church" thing fairly quickly. The good thing is that I feel like I'm not as obligated to go to church these days since I live in one!

We are members of the church that this used to be (they built a new one, and merged with another - not related to the merged churches that i bought the altar from). We live next door to the pastor (the parsonage was not part of our purchase).

I do somehow feel safer in a church. I mean, who's going to break in and rob a church? (though I still believe in being prepared and have a home security system). The place is very cool at Haloween - we've been here three years and have been ratcheting it up each year. This year I'm hoping to do strobe lights in the interior so you see flashes of "lightning" through the stained glass. Will go well with the spooky music and fog machine outside :)

Sadly the beautiful stained glass is also the Achilles heel. We can enjoy their beauty, but never see outside. We're working on a solution for that too - custom windows and the stained glass panels will be mounted on tracks that will slide into pockets in the wall. Very big project and lots of $$$

There are a lot of folks who were really sad to leave this church. It is a classic Gothic revival Lutheran church. They don't make 'em like this anymore. People were very scared that we would gut it, sell off the stained glass, and make it into apartments or something. What we've done is just the opposite. We're treating it like a historic building. We need to update it and make it a single family home, but we're doing it in 1930's period style. We have done about 2400 sq ft so far and it has been well received. Venetian plaster walls, plaster ceilings, removed the carpet and refinished all the fir floors, all original 1930's light fixtures we've bought from salvage stores and ebay. We plan on working with the stained glass (as mentioned above) and want to preserve as many architectual details as possible.

We had a couple who did a walkthrough of our house on their 40th anniversary. They stood right where they were when they were married. They missed the chruch, but were happy to see the care going into its transformation. I had another woman in her late 70's stop by wanting a tour. She had been baptized here, her sister was married here, and her father had his funeral here. These kinds of connections are really special and not something you get with a "normal" house.

What's funny now is that our 4 year old daughter will often ask us - as we drive by churches - "Is that a church house or a real church?" She's just starting to understand that living in a "church house" is something unique :)

218 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:11:20pm

#214 tradewind

I pray the leadership there pulls their heads out of their asses and starts a damn good fight and finishes it.

/looking at Egypt -- don't even fucking think about it

219 nimslight  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:13:03pm

#4
I don't like Shark Week. I to am happy about that.

220 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:13:30pm

orson

Yes, and I like spicy zins, but I have this friend who buys a couple fortybuck bottles of burgundy every week and insists I drink them with her when we grill, and I gotta tell you, I'd rather down a few heinies. I think the clerks are unloading inventory on her, but she loves the damned things and I'm too polite. She loves the bottles I bring over, but it has no effect. It's the romance of believing in the whole "peasant good, enologist bad" romance. Whatever. I have my own stash.

221 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:14:05pm

Hey, godfrey and orson (I presume, buggy). While we're on the wine discussion, would either of you happen to remember a story about a wine tasting in which the American wines beat the Fwench wines - hands down?

They did this taste-test 30 years ago and the french were pissed that the American wines did so well. IIRC, that couple from the WSJ reported on the re-match earlier this year.

222 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:14:25pm

217 Stormy

I think your house sounds truly unique. I've always liked offbeat architecture. Actually my family has a church, and our old house was turned into the rectory where the priests now live.

Kind the opposite of you.

223 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:14:38pm

A new post is up, re "Care for the Children", and unlike my satirical/ironic rants, I hope this one touches, moves and inspires you.

"Protect the Children!"

224 KevinV  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:15:00pm

mahatma coat -

Nothing funnier than those fake letters. There was a band in California called the Beat Farmers who had this *amazing* drummer named Country Dick Montana who had this incredible basso voice and for their encore he used to sit on the edge of the stage and read those letters to an improv jam session by the band, all while chugging down a fifth of taquila...those were the days!

225 tradewind  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:15:06pm

Good night to all of ya'll.

Discuss, (so I can read when I wake up in the middle of the night):

What happens if the bastards do hit Tel Aviv?

226 KevinV  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:15:56pm

Listen, if you are all going to quote Who lyrics, knock off with the hippie era crap and give us some good early stuff...or, even better, Quadrophenia...

227 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:16:43pm

#211 Amalie

Aye, and theres a lot to be said for the practicallity of 4 yards of wool tartan and no underwear. (See "Rob Roy" the movie.)

Honestly though, to God, there is no holiness in a building. No mysticism, no magic. The true dwelling of God is inside ye lass.

228 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:17:32pm

#219 nimslight

Wow! 215 posts later and I'm still here. No, $#!+, man. What's with the frickin' sharks, anyway? Do we need a whole frickin' week on sharks? Just quit f'ing with the sharks!

229 Murqtaad  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:17:36pm

tradewind,

What happens if the bastards do hit Tel Aviv?

Hopefully, we will send them to meet "Allan".

230 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:17:46pm

If things go like I think they are going, with Iran playing its jihad cards, ordinary citizens like us are going to have to get involved with the military. I served 20 years, but I am ready to put the uniform back on to get this done. We have to deal with the mullahs, and if that means taking out the nuclear sites, whathaveyou, we have to prepare ourselves mentally for that. They might respond with ground forces that will have to be met.

I know it sounds crazy, but this could escalate into a regional, and then world conflict. We will have to lay our gauntlet down on one side or the other. I think I know where that will be.

Still, America will be shocked to learn it is actually in a global conflagration, a World War. It is right out there. It is coming.

231 Stuck in california  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:17:56pm

If they hit Tel Aviv they turn the dogs loose...

232 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:18:31pm

#225 tradewind

If the Hezzbos hit TA, let's just say it will suck to live in Lebanon.

233 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:19:01pm

229 Murgtaad


Hopefully, we will send them to meet "Allan".

Allan?

234 Murqtaad  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:19:36pm

Hippies suck.

235 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:19:46pm

noam

Can't recall. A lot of French hate Parker for showing les roix, zey have neaux clothes! That was back in the 80's wasn't it, orson? Maybe Parker has something to do with this contest? This one's for you, orson.

236 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:19:59pm

hey kevin v...I will respond to that e-mail..to my great shame I'm terrible at answering letters...tomorrow's looking good though

237 6patrick6  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:20:23pm

217 stormy - Reviving a church as a home has to be a killer project! I admire your choice of homes!

Best of luck to ya!

238 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:20:34pm

#232 Orson

If the Hezzbos hit TA, let's just say it will suck to live in Lebanon.

Unfortunately, Lebanon is but a pawn. We have to make it suck to live in Tehran.

239 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:21:15pm

230 Imploder

Actually I was thinking about this earlier. Yes, Americans will be shocked to find themselves in a World War but think about this?

I imagine the people were shocked when WWI happened and even more shocked when WWII came on its heals less than two decades later..

240 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:21:45pm

Hey, did y'all skip the part where someone id's the pier/location?

241 fresh crayons  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:22:55pm

Pier 34, Newport Beach, CA

242 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:23:49pm

#225 tradewind

I found this a few days ago. The link is no longer available.

A senior Israeli military source was swift to react, telling Israel's Channel One television that the Jewish state would destroy Lebanese infrastructure if Tel Aviv was attacked.

243 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:24:14pm

#174- Mahatma Coat: AGREE! I used to live in the shadow of the Lincoln Cathedral, arguably the most magnificent example of medieval cathedral architecture, and it was AWE INSPIRING even from a distance!

Up close, humbling, inspiring and beautiful!

(PS: My dad, doing PR work for SAC, got a B-52 to fly directly over the cathedral two times one day, and took some to-this-day never-duplicated pictures of Power/Peace juxtaposed on a brilliant Lincolnshire sky!)

244 KevinV  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:24:24pm

mahatma coat

No worries, mate. But seeing as I am American/British/Irish (with all three passports!) with a Canadian dad, I figure we got a lot in common!

You in Eire at the moment? Is that right?

245 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:25:17pm

Candygram for Mr. Ahmadinejad!

Hey, Mahmoud, put up or shut up, make a move midget dwarf. You know you need to.

Imam ain't gonna pop out of the well on the 22nd unless you make a move.

And then we'll oblige and give you all the support we can.

/remember, August 22nd, 12th Imam out of the well, make your move, times a wastin', tick tock, clop, clop, clop, clop

246 KevinV  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:26:37pm

Carradine -

I hope that one day those Cathedrals are full again.

Speaking of awe inspiring, the last time I was in Paris, I woke up at some reason at 5.30 in the morning one day and walked to Notre Dame and watched the sunrise and it from a cafe (kind of) across the street.

To think how long that noble church has been there and what it has meant and seen...

247 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:27:26pm

Killian,

remember the Amish drive-by ...

Clop, clop, bang, bang
Clop, clop, clop

248 guinsPen  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:27:39pm
249 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:27:55pm

~238 imploder.."we have to make it suck to live in Tehran"...well wouldn't that be nice,problem is it would be bad for our boys in Iraq...seems this war ( and lets not forget it is one)has overtaken the iraqi theater.If we could forget diplomacy and world opinion we'd withdraw(fuck you Murtha) and refocus...Iran is the problem,Iraq,the easier approach is no longer the most important target...if only the msn understood war isn't scripted

250 KevinV  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:29:08pm

Amalie -

remember the Amish drive-by ...

Clop, clop, bang, bang
Clop, clop, clop

I used to think that joke was just a joke until I saw that documentary "The Devil's Playground".

I mean, wow. Watching girls in bonnets smoke Crystal Meth at a party and Amish guys flashing gang signs. I was...amazed.

251 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:29:27pm

#238 imploder

If we declared war on Iran, I'd back it 100%. I'd rather see my son go there than Iraq at this point, seeing that most of the insurgency support is coming from there. Also Al Sadr must be put down like the evil rabid foul faced bastard he is. At least take him down and brush those fucking teeth. Damn.

Syria is just a little bitch caught in the middle. I noticed that all the pics of Assad, he looks like a scared school girl about to piss his pants.

Oh, and John Kerry can go to hell for going and talking to the terror supporting bastard.

He is Soros' little bitch. SOmehow, Soros, ANSWER and the jihadis got a thing going on.

252 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:30:39pm

#239 Amalie

I imagine the people were shocked when WWI happened and even more shocked when WWII came on its heals less than two decades later..

All the ingredients are there, and it so history repeating itself. The rogue states are collaborating right now on nuclear and missile technology. I predict they will have successful strikes, especially because we refuse to get pre-emptive on their asses. They are working away at nukes, and that is North Korea and Iran, with certain help from the Pakis.

Their focus is Israel, but they have a strategy, one that will play on our distaste for more warfare, especially after our experience in Iraq. The IEDs in Iraq had a strategic bent, not a tactical one, as the surface analysis would suggest. The point was to bomb us each and every day until our will was spent, which it just about is. Then, Iran can make major moves without a response from us. Hell, try and say or do anything about Iran and the fringe left would go ballistic into the ceiling, fretting that they've not even been able to quell Iraq, much less another battle.

The Iranians know this.

They will capitalize. They are going to do something stupid, and they have their buddies in the Russians, North Koreans and Chinese to cover them on the international stage.

The Russians and Chinese may not even get into this, but they will want to, and they very well might.

It is all right there, laid out in front of us.

253 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:30:47pm
#247 Amalie

remember the Amish drive-by ...

And TFK.

/who, for LGF purposes, coined the clop . . .

254 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:30:58pm

Amalie, imploder

I'd refer you back to the Hanson thread. IMO, we are in a world war, it's just not spread out like the last one. But at least one positive this time around, the good people are already communicating - world wide - about it. Sure, many are not on board, yet, but The Sully Jones Conspiracy thread, also from earlier, goes along way to explaining that.

Before this gets worse, we need to start moving.

255 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:34:06pm

Irish cultural festivals cancel Jewish sponsorship

In deference to the suggestions of "Palestinian" participants.

Wankers.

256 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:34:52pm

237 6patrick6

Thanks! I have done it all with the exception of HVAC and some of the plastering. Refinishing the floors and the wiring have been the two biggest chores to date. They had a nasty gray commercial carpet glued down and that made for a fine mess.

The wiring has been massive. I'm a geek, so everything is home-runned, all rooms are wired for HDTV, whole-house everything. My electrical inspector's jaw hit the floor when he saw my wiring room. He said, "and that's just for the first floor?"

We hope to live here forever and are making this our castle. We'll be upside down in no time, but that's okay - it's a blast. We could still break even at this point, but only because I've put in roughly $125K worth of sweat equity.

The good thing is that the place cost us the equivalent of 16 months of rent in the place we were living at in downtown Boston. Taxes are dirt cheap and the city plows the sidewalks, picks up lawn clippings, has a street sweeper, etc... Our city council really does a great job at allocating our dollars. I think that they do things the way our founding fathers intended. Why buy a $150K street sweeper when you can get a non-working used one for $5K and 'Al's Garage' can fix it for $500 more (he does discount work for the city because we should all do our civic duty he'd say). But I digress...

257 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:37:14pm

#40 stormy
By now your taste buds are numbed, mix it up, have fun w/ the ingredients on hand

[Link: www.idrink.com...]

258 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:38:31pm

#256

Dammit, Stormy? Are you sure you live in Minnesota?

259 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:38:45pm

~243 carridine ..I want those pics!
and kevinv ,yes it would seem we do ...see me in the early house in an hour and we'll discuss it over a cold creamy Guiness

260 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:38:53pm

We're going to have some serious choices to make here in the very near future, I only pray that our leaders have the courage of their convictions to follow this thing through.

The rocket volleys and kidnappings of Israeli soldiers were small things, but they very well might have been the catalyst to world war, just like the assasination of the Archduke preluded WWI.

Our enemy is bent on violence and destruction, the 12th imam will not rise up and lead the muslim hordes unless they prove their bloodthirstiness... They have no alternative.

Keep your powder dry, it's coming.

261 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:41:04pm

#255 godfrey ...to my eternal shame ...there's no surprise there,Ireland is reflexively leftist ,socialist etc.

262 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:42:56pm

#246 KevinV : just a kid of 11, I cherished my few chances to go the ruins of monasteries, and stand, arms stretched over the ruins of a wall, alone with God and the ghosts of the men and women who, as THEIR acts of loving obedience, raised this edifice 800 years past, only to see it sinking back now, to God and Mother Earth...

I could never explain to my AirForce father, my sense of peace and one-ness...

263 NogenDavid  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:43:09pm

Query for those with some military expertise.

I'm curious about why we never seem to see estimates of wounded among Hezbollah operatives in Lebanon. IDF estimates over 300 killed, but does not seem to estimate wounded. Is there any way of making an informed estimate of the ratio of those killed to those wounded? I know that in the modern US army, the ratio is about 1:12 - but that must be based on things like outstanding evacuation capacities, first rate medical facilities, body armour, etc. In this year, the Israeli ratio so far seems to be about 1:6. I would think that the ratio would be quite low for Hezbollah for the following reasons:

-Israeli brings to bear powerful weapons when it cites a target, including shells and missiles as well as small arms fire;

-Hezbollah is probably not sophisticated at field medicine and may not be able to easily evacuate wounded to hospitals;

-Hezbollah are not fighting in body armour, tanks, armoured personnel carriers. My amateur guess would be that forces who are in such protected environments tend to sustain a high ratio of injuries to deaths.

Suppose the killed/wounded ratio for hezbollah is as low as 1:3. That would still mean total casualties are over a thousand, which sounds large in comparison to a full time fighting force of what, 2000 full time and 6000 reserve fighters. (Are those stats about right?)

I am trying to get a factual understanding of how little or much Hezbollah's fighting capacity has actually been damaged by the campaign so far. Reports to to foucs on infrastructure destroyed, operatives killed and missile inventory left, but I don't really understand what the impact is on personnel in light of the absence of figures on wounded. Can anyone explain to me the latter point, and what it means in terms of Hezbollah's ongoing fighting capacity and morale? Anyone know what IDF does not make estimates in this regard? Or do they, and I just haven't seen the data?

Other queries: when will Israel be able to deploy laser-based anti-missile systems - THEL I think they're called?

How serious is the threat of the deployment of Iranian surface to air missiles in IAF's ability to maintain air supremacy?

Do other factions in Lebanon, including the Christians, Druze, etc, have any military ability to resist Hezbollah? Or is it the only faction in Lebanon with weapons and military organization?

264 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:43:15pm

#260 imploder

...I only pray that our leaders have the courage of their convictions to follow this thing through...

I only pray that those lying bastards on the LLL finally recognize the damage they're causing and WAKE THE F*CK UP!

265 shug  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:43:31pm
266 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:43:56pm
267 Doss  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:44:02pm

#246 KevinV

Notre Dame 1 2 3

There's an even more amazing 360o pic of Paris and Notre Dame at night that I've seen and am trying to find.

I've always been a huge fan of Gothic churches.

268 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:44:06pm
#254 Noam Sayin'

Before this gets worse, we need to start moving.

And if it's not against Iran, it could be a mistake. Iran is the lynchpin to the whole nine yards. Time to make the doughnuts. Still counting on Shorty to precipitate his destruction and give us cover, he's fixated on the 22nd, I guess we'll see what we can see.

/bringing Iran down to her knees in pain would solve 80% of the world's current pronlems

269 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:45:33pm

pronlems?

/pronlems, preview hate me

270 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:45:57pm

mahatma

All the belfries have moonbats these days.

271 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:46:40pm

#247 Amalie

That is:

Clop, clop, clop, *GLARE*
Clop, clop, clop.

Amish drive-by shunning.

272 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:46:46pm

#259- Mahatma: I'd send them IF I had them, but they're with my aging father now, 2.25" x 2.25" color transparencies, and Dad was a GOOD photog...

But I'll give it the old college try, 'cuz I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM, too... heh! :D

273 mungagungadin  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:46:51pm

YES! We do need to unwind. What a week!

How about a song with a spanish beat?

Oh, Senior Don Gato was a cat.
On a high red roof Don Gato sat.
He went there to read a letter, meow meow meow.
Where the reading light was better, meow, meow, meow.
T'was a love note for Don Gato.

I adore you, wrote the lady cat.
She was fluffy, white and nice and fat.
There was not a sweeter kitty, meow meow meow,
in the country or the city, meow meow meow.
And she said she'd wed Don Gato.

Ey Carumba! He cried merrily!
Then he fell right down and broke his knee..
broke his ribs and all his whiskers, meow meow, meow
and his little solar plexis, meow meow meow.
"I am done for!" cried Don Gato.

Oh the doctors all came on the run
just to see if something could be done.
And they held a consulation, meow meow meow
about how to save the patient, meow meow meow
how to save Senior Don Gato.

But in spite of everything they tried
poor Senior Don Gato up and died.
And it wasn't very merry, meow meow meow
riding to the cemetary, meow meow meow
for the ending of Don Gato.

But as the funeral passed the market square
such a smell of fish was in the air,
though the burial was slated, meow meow meow
he became re-animated, meow meow meow
he came back to life, Don Gato.
He came back to life, Don GATO!

my kids love that one.

274 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:48:23pm

#260 imploder

We're going to have some serious choices to make here in the very near future, I only pray that our leaders have the courage of their convictions to follow this thing through.

Notwithstanding our course of action in Afghanistan and Iraq, if Iran or its surrogates launch a catastophic strike even more deadly than the 9-11 attacks, I feel (hope) our reaction will be akin to the post-Pearl Harbor remark of the Japanese Admiral (?) about awakening a sleeping giant. Many say the terrorists lack a specific residence, but I wouldn't want to be in Iran when the shite hits the fan.

275 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:48:38pm
Suppose the killed/wounded ratio for hezbollah is as low as 1:3. That would still mean total casualties are over a thousand, which sounds large in comparison to a full time fighting force of what, 2000 full time and 6000 reserve fighters. (Are those stats about right?)

Body counts do little to change the situation on the ground. If the hezbollah can keep the fighters coming, the IDF will have to face them. That is the question, how many are there? Will more surface? Are the civilians their reserve? They may very well be.

How serious is the threat of the deployment of Iranian surface to air missiles in IAF's ability to maintain air supremacy?

Serious. It will lessen the impunity that the IAF operates with now. Still, the IAF has the very best countermeasures. Nonetheless, it will degrade their performance, and to make it up, more sorties may need to fly, and more losses may be incurred.

The IAF's number one charter should be superiority, so if advanced weapons show up in the theater the emphasis must swing from interdiction and close air support to suppression. Only then can the other missions continue unimpeded.

276 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:48:50pm

#85
...especially when they go all the way up.

277 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:49:47pm

mungagungagungalunga,

Thank you!

To this day I still get that tune stuck in my head.

If it's there tomorrow, you've got a 15 minute head start.

278 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:50:33pm

carridine ...please do i'd love it.Lincoln Cathederal is gorgeous( used to work in Yorkshire,saw it regularly)and,well ,what guy doesn't like a b-52
(answer:an Iraqi soldier in gulf 1)

279 nuke gingrich  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:51:09pm

I got this photo from one of my friends today. Thought it was pretty funny. (work safe)

280 Doss  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:51:11pm

Paris at night. After we conquer France in 2018, I'd like to move there - right after we move the French to their new country La Sahara.

281 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:52:35pm

Doss, I think we should call it, La bin Dovier.

It's more appropriate.

282 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:53:19pm

Doss, are you my ole buddy MSgt Dave Doss from Mississippi?

283 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:53:27pm
284 mungagungadin  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:53:53pm

#277 Noam,

Anyone who sings the cha cha with meows is good stuff! You are welcome on my patio any day.

286 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:54:18pm

#90 albatross
Iranian Uranium
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

287 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:54:31pm

#278 Mahatma:

#278 mahatma coat 8/4/2006 09:50PM PDT

carridine ...please do i'd love it.Lincoln Cathederal is gorgeous( used to work in Yorkshire,saw it regularly)and,well ,what guy doesn't like a b-52
(answer:an Iraqi soldier in gulf 1)

Please get in touch by email, or at Brain Surgery With Spoons! to work out some details...

288 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:54:53pm

Israel is kicking Hizballah ass and by that token Iran and Syria ass as well. Iran and Syria have not directly attacked Israel for good reason - They are cowards. Israel would lay waste to their degenerate excuses for military in 48 hours by conventional means.

They wine for "cease fire" becuase they're getting schlacked and but good.

Remove the absurd political binds from the IDF and watch true and righteous carnage.

There are no innocent civilians

289 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:54:54pm

doss

Damn, the Pompidou looks like a flayed corpse.

290 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:55:50pm

#265 shug

Pathetic or too damn funny?

It's a toss up.

291 Doss  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:56:22pm

Noam

La bin Dovier

Hehehe. That can be the capital - in the middle of Le Endless Sá nd.

292 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:56:32pm

#258 Noam Sayin' 8/4/2006 09:38PM PDT


#256
Dammit, Stormy? Are you sure you live in Minnesota?

Yah, born and raised. Wifey and I spent some time in Chicago and Boston before moving back to raise the kiddies.

Oh, and this church has guns and ammo to defend itself :)

293 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:56:48pm

The infamous well of the great Imam. Hanging around for August 22nd...

Twelfth Imam

294 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:58:21pm

doss

How much you want to be Sacré Coeur is a mosque by 2050?

295 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:58:46pm

bet

296 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:59:15pm

Speaking of the Amish - lots of 'em around here. In fact they have a hitching post about 100 feet from our house down the alley. They come to town for a little grocery shopping. Fortunately they do a good job of cleaning up after the horses when sh*t happens :)

297 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 7:59:19pm

Someone say Mississippi?


I've been drunk in Laurel and Hattiesburg, and once got (un)lucky with a Laurel woman who ripped out breastbones at the Sanderson Farms plant, who may well have weighed more than I did, after a drunken evening at a hotel bar on Highway 11 Northeast of Laurel.

298 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:00:07pm
299 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:00:09pm

#293 goodbye_natalie

The infamous well of the great Imam. Hanging around for August 22nd...

EXACTLY! There is no way I'll use a porta-potty on the 22 of August. The 12th Imam might fly up my... well, you know!

300 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:01:01pm

#284 mungagungagungalunga (I'll stop one of these days)

I still remember my music teacher the year I learned that song - Mrs. Peterson.

The University of Minnesota had its better days...

301 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:01:15pm
I've been drunk in Laurel and Hattiesburg, and once got (un)lucky with a Laurel woman who ripped out breastbones at the Sanderson Farms plant, who may well have weighed more than I did, after a drunken evening at a hotel bar on Highway 11 Northeast of Laurel.

Ed,

I've definitely had nights like that. Breastbone ripping out women have big forearms.

Bigger than mine.

302 Doss  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:01:20pm

#282 imploder

Doss, are you my ole buddy MSgt Dave Doss from Mississippi?

Not me. The nic comes from Desmond Doss who my neighbor had told me about when I was a kid. I'm not a 7th Day Adventist like him (nor even very religious) or a pacifist like him, but his was a pretty amazing story in WWII.

303 mahatma coat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:01:32pm

#297 ed..I have a principle..never sleep with someone you can't lift

304 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:01:38pm

By the way, now that US Army has raised enlistment age to 42, I officially qualify as a chicken hawk, as I sit at home and support the US in the war against Islamic terror, despite again being eligible for military service.


If prior service still counts towards maximum age for enlistment, I can be a chicken hawk until I turn 49!

306 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:01:58pm
#258 Noam Sayin' 8/4/2006 09:38PM PDT
#256

Dammit, Stormy? Are you sure you live in Minnesota?

I take it that the town council is not run by a bunch of DFL’er.

307 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:02:10pm

I'm pissed nothing rhymes with "burg". Think of the limericks:

There was once a woman from Hattiesburg

It's just begging for coupling, but nothing suits.

308 Beagle  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:02:25pm

The Guardian is off on a rant.

Bush is going to end the world!

But to balance that out...

Bush is going to end the world!

It's a fair cop. Before the United States came along Europe was a big happy place with puppies, kittens, cotton candy, and unicorns. Everyone lived in peace and harmony.

309 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:02:58pm

Turd works, godfrey.

310 pat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:03:14pm

#275 imploder
The Helicopters will be retired in the event of SAMs. They are already almost useless in theatre. The difference will be the man on the ground. These Arabs like to see others die. They are like the Vikings(who kicked the shit out of them). Send in the nut case. When the nuts are dead, the others slink off. They like to kill and torture, not be in the fight themselves. The question is how many nuts they have. Thugees,Khartoum, Somalia. Afghanistan.Drugged up loons for Allah.

311 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:03:16pm

LOL ~

312 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:03:47pm
've been drunk in Laurel and Hattiesburg, and once got (un)lucky with a Laurel woman who ripped out breastbones at the Sanderson Farms plant,

The strongest girl I ever dated was a thoroughbred horse trainer near Ocala, Fl, back in 1984. I mean, she was tough!

313 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:04:09pm

It's the end of the world as we know it
and I feel fine..

REM

314 Allah's Helper  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:04:12pm

OT - HA!

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]


But the results for Mr. Lamont have not always been what his campaign would have wanted. This week, the blogger who broke the news of Mr. Lieberman’s Halliburton stock posted a doctored image of the senator in blackface on The Huffington Post, stirring an outcry and prompting an embarrassed Lamont campaign to ask her to remove it. Lieberman supporters seized on the image, pointing out that the blogger, Jane Hamsher, has been closely involved in the Lamont campaign, even driving the campaign manager on Monday to New York for Mr. Lamont’s appearance on “The Colbert Report” on Comedy Central.

This blogging exemplified the risks posed by what has become the new frontier in campaign warfare. Yesterday, the Daily Kos blog, which supports Mr. Lamont, contained numerous comments about the blackface incident, including a complaint about how well-intentioned bloggers can disrupt a campaign.

315 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:04:25pm

Amalie!

Back from the hot tub?

316 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:05:25pm
The last great adventure left to mankind Screams a drooping lady
Offering her dreamdolls at less than extortionate prices,
And as the notes and coins are taken out
Im taken in, to the factory floor.

For the Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging
All ready to use the Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging just need a fuse.

Got people stocked in every shade,
Must be doing well with trade.
Stamped, addressed, in odd fatality.
That evens out their personality.
With profit potential marked by a sign,
I can recognise some of the production line,
No bite at all in labour bondage,
Just wrinkled wrappers or human bandage.

The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging
All ready to use
Its the Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging just need a fuse.

The hall runs like clockwork
Their hands mark out the time,
Empty in their fullness
Like a frozen pantomime.
Everyones a sales representative
Wearing slogans in their shrine.
Dishing out failsafe superlative,
Brother John is No. 9.

For the Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging
All ready to use
Its the Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging just need a fuse.

The decor on the ceiling
Has planned out their future day
I see no sign of free will,
So I guess Ill have to pay, pay my way,
For the Grand Parade.
For the Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging
All ready to use
The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging just need a fuse.

/Genesis/Lamb Lies Down on Broadway/The Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging

317 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:05:34pm

Yes, Godfrey..

318 infidella  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:05:35pm
319 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:05:48pm

#139 killian
Does it mention water..? That's a desert, not a beach, and the (people of) the housing projects did not create anything. It's just more welfare dollars.

Q is, when will they begin fighting over that sand?

320 Doss  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:06:02pm

godfrey

How much you want to be Sacré Coeur is a mosque by 2050?


As much as I hate the French, a large part of W. Civ's heritage is in France, and it'll be absolutely heartbreaking to see things like that happen - and some will. How many will before (if?) the French can stop the runaway train they set on the track.

321 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:07:13pm
The Helicopters will be retired in the event of SAMs. They are already almost useless in theatre.

That sucks. We (the US military) rely so much on our rotary wing assets.

I flew as a crew member on MH-53s for eight years, and the things you can pull off with a helicopter make life on the ground better for the boots.

Our most advanced helos have the best countermeasures, and can fly through some wicked stuff. We would be hobbled without our rotary lift capability.

322 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:08:00pm

#305 shug

Almost. :>/

323 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:08:11pm

#306 Da_Beerfreak

Plenty of DFL'ers up here, but our county leans right. Here's the 2004 results for President:

Republican GEORGE W. BUSH AND DICK CHENEY 56.86%
Democratic-Farmer-Labor JOHN F. KERRY AND JOHN EDWARDS 41.22%

Gotta love how they still add on the "Farmer-Labor". I could think of some replacement words for the FL in DFL. F'ing loosers comes to mind, but that's a bit crude.

324 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:08:25pm

My mother taught me RELIGION:

"You better pray that will come out of the carpet."

325 mungagungadin  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:08:43pm

Heya folks...

Did any of you hear about the imminent collapse of conservatism? I was stunned by this article.

Is conservatism finished?
What might have seemed an absurd question less than two years ago is now one of the most important issues in American politics. The question is being asked -- mostly quietly but occasionally publicly -- by conservatives themselves as they survey the wreckage of their hopes, and as their champions in the Republican Party use any means necessary to survive this fall's elections.


And here I thought I was totally healthy.

Consider other profound fissures within the right. There is an increasingly bitter debate over whether it made any sense to wage war in Iraq in the hopes of transforming that country into a democracy. Conservatives with excellent philosophical credentials, including my colleague George F. Will, and Bill Buckley himself, see the enterprise as profoundly unconservative.

Liberals are apparently in complete and total denial.
Oh, I can't wait for November.

326 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:08:45pm

Am

It's just me and Gus, sitting in the galvanized washbasin under the stars, in the mud. No owls tonight. The rain must've made them hunker down in their holes. Tomorrow morning, the sky will be filled with hot air balloons.

327 Orbit Rain  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:09:33pm

in no particular order:

"Oh, and John Kerry can go to hell for going and talking to the terror supporting bastard."

I'm going with judge not...on that one.

"They might respond with ground forces that will have to be met."

lol

...go ahead Ahmadi...send some over on a boat...now THAT would be interesting...it aint happening that way...what other way would you try if you were him? After all's fair in Love and War...nay?

I'd say nay, but that aint stoppin him.

"a World War. It is right out there. It is coming."

It's here.

9/11

I consider it an act of war...by what name this fascist ideology that charges to sweep the world matters not...it will be destroyed...(takes a while)...

...how long ago did our dear friends abolish slavery again? ponder that answer...

Who...of you...stands for slavery again?

answer media

328 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:11:04pm

Godfrey

Last week a wildfire burned on the mountain like a ring of fire..
A hot air balloon floated over my house the other day.. belching like a dragon..
Tonight two owls called out to each other outside of my window..

329 Doss  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:11:34pm

Amalie

Hottub in Colorado...dannng that's livin!

It's the end of the world as we know it
and I feel fine..

REM


Mutant Stipe

330 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:11:52pm
I consider it an act of war...by what name this fascist ideology that charges to sweep the world matters not...it will be destroyed...(takes a while)...

Still, how much damage will be inflicted while the population averts its gaze?

That is the question.

How many burning buildings, how many explosives, how many dead and wounded until this evil capitulates?

Right now, they are riding high. Don't fool yourself.

331 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:12:02pm

My mental image of Amalie

332 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:12:30pm

doss

I know. Another fear is that we'll see more than a bullet in the Vatican. My money is that their death-wish is deeper than their media savvy. They'll make a critical mistake, and then the gates fly open.

333 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:12:31pm

Ed of many names,

Is this you? Weatherman

334 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:13:24pm

#310 Pat, 275 Imploder: I wonder, honestly, how a 'drugged-up loon for Allah' would do when he/they first caught a nose-full of Adamsite or CS gas!

Being amphetaminized and heroinized AND hit with vomit-agent... MIGHT be incapacitating in extremis!

C'mon, Israel, USE CS on the Hezb'ollah Chicken-Sh!tz...

335 mungagungadin  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:14:12pm

#300 Noam,

My fellow Minnesotan, feel free to enjoy my name. I was called "munga" til I was five and am still tagged with it. I embrace my ridiculous alter ego.

mungagungagungalungadinnydindin

336 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:14:27pm
#304 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr

By the way, now that US Army has raised enlistment age to 42, I officially qualify as a chicken hawk, as I sit at home and support the US in the war against Islamic terror, despite again being eligible for military service.

No problem, rack up jihadi kills from home.

Phoenix Global Intelligence Systems

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The unique multi-national nature of Phoenix Intelligence and the fact that its members reside around the planet means that it is able to provide 'round-the-clock' threat related information. It also gives Phoenix Intelligence a truly global perspective on the war on terror, enabling it to perceive the world-wide situation from a multitude of vantage points.

/one of their volunteer Granny's belt notched the Washington jihadi who wanted to pass M1A# secrets to Iraqi al Qaeda, Budweiser True

337 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:14:47pm
338 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:16:00pm

331 RTLM

She's pretty blonde for a Latina...

339 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:17:17pm

#328 Amalie

Tonight two owls called out to each other outside of my window..

Male peregrine falcon in the elm on the end of the block - the little lady in the tall pine across the street.

Not trying to one-up, just a little co-appreciation.

340 pat  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:17:48pm

#313 Amalie

I have that on the nano. Overcast. Should be a good jog(hobble) tommorrow.

Imploder
Helios. Of Course the out of theatre work goes on. Detection, evacuation, clean-up. But I am watching the media and note the losses and the reluctance to deploy.

341 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:18:06pm
342 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:18:13pm

RTLM

First google-image hit for Amalie here.

343 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:18:31pm

#338 Amalie

A little bigger than I picture you as well.

344 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:18:49pm

#337 Rayra,

Yes that's in there - scroll down through the pics underneath

345 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:19:37pm

339 Noam

That's pretty neat, Noam. I miss the whippoorwills..

346 mungagungadin  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:20:11pm

Amalie, Noam Sayin

Tonight two owls called out to each other outside of my window..

Male peregrine falcon in the elm on the end of the block - the little lady in the tall pine across the street.

But I can top that. Outside my window there are mosquitoes mating everywhere!

GOODNIGHT LGF!

Bless the lizards, every one.

And where, by the way, IS Reaganite?

347 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:21:56pm
#319 cbinflux

Does it mention water..? That's a desert, not a beach, and the (people of) the housing projects did not create anything. It's just more welfare dollars.

It does, not sure, but imagine an urban "lake", you know, open the hydrants (do the French have hydrants?) for awhile,

/it's clearly appeasement, whatever keeps them from burning cars

348 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:22:28pm

Orson

I have a slight build, not into weight training..

349 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:23:00pm

Night Mungagungadin!

350 Beagle  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:23:24pm
351 Globular Cluster  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:24:19pm

Anyone want to place bets on when Hizballah seals its fate by rocketing Tel Aviv?

I'll bet five hours, 10 lizard droppings.

352 NY Nana  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:24:32pm

#294 godfrey

And if the frogs don't do something, this will be what Paris and Notre Dame look like...sooner, rather than later.

353 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:24:36pm

#345 Amalie

Tonight we watched a doe and her not yet yearling fawn trot across the field behind our appartment. This field is huge and it took them a few minutes to cross. I could tell she expected to be attacked at any time and wondered if someone had flushed them out of the thicket behind the grade school.

BTW the few crawdads we caught today tasted awesome tonight.

/ahhh

354 godfrey  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:24:50pm

Owls, whippoorwills... * yawn * Sleepy words. Goodnight lizards, rest up. Be reminded Amalie can short-sheet a bed in no time flat.

355 Doss  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:24:55pm

godfrey

I know. Another fear is that we'll see more than a bullet in the Vatican. My money is that their death-wish is deeper than their media savvy. They'll make a critical mistake, and then the gates fly open.


The thing that will really be its saving grace will be the fact that the Muslims are too impatient and are showing their ass too soon. It's actually a good thing that we're having all of these Hizb supporter rallies in the U.S. so that we can see who these people are.

If they could just keep their traps shut, bomb belts off, and breed like mad, they would have a much better chance. But they're showing their ass way too soon. We may all talk about how France is 10% Muslim, and gone to hell already, but it's still 90% non-Muslim. Who knows what kind of retribution would befall the youts for burning down the Louvre and toppling the Eiffel Tower on the same night. Their menace might look different when they piss off the other 90%. I really don't know how it'll turn out, but I do know it's going to be very violent.

356 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:27:22pm

#351 Globular Cluster

Be sure to pray for our friends in TA. We really should just send them a couple of divisions of heavy infantry with Naval and Air Force support.

357 nuke gingrich  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:27:40pm

#305 Shug

That's not going to leave a mark!

Henh

358 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:27:41pm
359 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:28:04pm

353 Orson

Alright... mountain crawdads! We caught some up at a mountain lake a month ago and they were huge...

The deer are having their fawns now, still have their white spots.

360 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:28:46pm
#323 Stormy 8/4/2006 10:08PM PDT

I’m in Ramsey County. {:-(

361 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:29:05pm

Night Godfrey...

:D

362 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:29:32pm

#181
Luv this one
[Link: www.investors.com...]

363 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:29:46pm

#338 Amalie

She's pretty blonde for a Latina...


Hmmm

I think I found Amalie

364 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:31:08pm

and this one
[Link: www.investors.com...]

365 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:31:47pm

350 Beagle

Thanks.. I bookmarked that site..

366 nuke gingrich  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:32:51pm

There once was a woman from Hattiesburg-town.
Her breast ripping skills earned her great renown.

She hooked up with Ed...
What more can be said...

Her hair and her undies were brown.

/ta daaah

367 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:33:13pm

363 RTLM

What about you? What do you look like?

368 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:33:47pm
#323 Stormy 8/4/2006 10:08PM PDT

Gotta love how they still add on the "Farmer-Labor". I could think of some replacement words for the FL in DFL. F'ing loosers comes to mind, but that's a bit crude.

That is still a good start. I hope after the midterm elections we can call ‘em Damn F’ing Losers.

369 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:34:06pm

'Nite, all. Must go listen to the soothing sounds of feral cats in a turf battle with the raccoons. Gangbangers got next.

370 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:34:40pm

Night Noam!

Sweet catfight dreams..

371 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:35:34pm

#350- Beagle: THANK YOU! Watching it NOW!
3 Ex-Terrorists Tell All!

372 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:35:59pm

#359 Amalie

Coastal deer fawn in the spring.

#358 rayra

Nope. But then again, our region isn't known for good Merlot or Cabernet. The mid Columbia River Valley has some good merlot and cab. Low tannin and lots of good flavor. It still gives me heartburn though, so I stick to beer for drinking. It does go good with a prime rib abd hot horse radish though.

373 Beagle  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:36:44pm

#365 Amalie

No problemo. Anything for you.

374 Doss  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:37:23pm

#363 RTLM

I think I found Amalie


Amalie Bubble Hayek...AHB monogrammed on her Catholic school shirts back in the day.

375 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:39:03pm

How funny!

376 Beagle  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:39:28pm

#371 Carradine

Honestly, that video scared the crap out of me for a couple minutes. I'm all better now.

377 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:39:41pm

#367 Amalie

What about you? What do you look like?

I'e been told by more than one person I look like the guy in yellow

/ahem

378 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:40:32pm

377 RTLM

Oh...

/lol

379 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:42:20pm

#169 Beerfreak:

But what earthly use is an analogy that is 100% bullshit?

Frogs are stupid; they'll let you boil them alive if you do it slowly. Er, no they won't, but it's still, um, meaningful to say it even though it ain't so.

Wins the "Too Lazy to Think Up a Valid Real-Life Similitude" award...

380 ChenZhen  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:44:25pm

Ever wonder why the Arab smoke shop owners are always trying to make a political statement? I was at there today , and the gal at the register was wearing this T shirt. I was looking around for a donation jar.

381 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:44:52pm

#376- Beagle: I'm listening AS I type...

Frightening? Yes, but even FURTHER VALIDATION for a systemic, holistic response, as set out by Baha'u'llah!

We live in ONE world now, and to be a valid cure/solution, that cure/solution MUST embrace the whole of humankind!

We're watching the crumbling and dissolution of thoughts, memes, tropes and ideologies that are NOT IN ACCORD with the standards and practices proclaimed by the Lord of Hosts, Baha'u'llah!

382 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:45:40pm
What about you? What do you look like?

Here's what the imploder looks like.

Going grey, going bald, getting old.

383 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:46:18pm

Doss

We'll face whatever we have to face.

Won't we?

384 Doss  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:48:00pm

Amalie

We'll face whatever we have to face.

Won't we?


Absolutely.

385 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:49:33pm

382 imploder

You don't look old to me and you look good in your uniform.

386 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:49:37pm

Here's me.

F-E-E-E-L the Velvet, baby.

387 Stormy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:49:46pm

Been a pleasure folks, but need to get to bed. Lots of DIY action tomorrow and I should get up at the crack of dawn to impress my wife and kinds :)

'nite

388 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:50:30pm

Here's rayra

389 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:50:31pm

#248 guins pen
So, that means that 43% have not much chance in MSM or as a Journalism prof. Oh well, there's always AM radio and blogs.

390 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:51:34pm

Dirk

Who loves ya baby?

/man, you are really bald

391 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:51:50pm
#379 Cato the Elder 8/4/2006 10:42PM PDT
#169 Beerfreak:

Snip…

Wins the "Too Lazy to Think Up a Valid Real-Life Similitude" award...

I’ll take it in gold, you can have it delivered to my Swiss bank.

392 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:52:12pm

387 Stormy

Goodnight Stormy... thanks for sharing about your abode.. really cool..

393 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:54:24pm

#385 Amalie

You don't look old to me and you look good in your uniform.

That is very kind of you to say.

Still, look at that comb-over.

I don't see it like that when I look in a mirror, only in pictures, and I'm like, "damn, I've got a comb over!"

394 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:55:13pm

#388 RTLM

LOL
/blowing wine out the nose

dayum

395 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:56:36pm

Of course my Mother gave me the bald gene, my Dad, who is 68, has a full head of glorious gray hair.

Thanks Dad! All you left me with was the high-blood pressure!

396 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:57:15pm

imploder

I can't relate... I'm not a guy and I'm not going bald...

397 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:58:58pm

It's funny but it never really mattered to me if someone were bald or going bald..

398 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:59:34pm
I can't relate... I'm not a guy and I'm not going bald..

You're lucky.

Actually, I don't really spend much time thinking about it. It's just nature running its course.

More important than the hair, one must keep the body in condition, and I do that by running. I run almost every day.

399 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 8:59:53pm

#382 imploder

So shave it off, lose the comb over and be happy.


Take pride in the stripes on the sleeves.

That means a lot more than hair.

400 Beagle  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:01:02pm

#382 imploder

My dad always used to say that "the only thing worse than aging is the alternative." He had some cool uniforms as well.

I'd really like to join the military now that the age was bumped to 42, but my son just hit four months. Thinking about it gave me some insight on how hard it must be for people giving up their lives for ours in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, but only a little.

401 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:01:38pm
I can't relate... I'm not a guy and I'm not going bald...

And thank your lucky stars for that. I had a beautiful mane of auburn hair. I lost half of it before I was 23.

Now I shave it clean every day. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.

402 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:01:50pm

Imploder

I don't how other women feel but it's the passion a man has for life that is attractive to me. A man could be very attractive and be incredibly vain, shallow, and most likely boring.

403 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:01:53pm

#397 Amalie

I got a shiat load of hair and I don't even think about it. I'd trade it all for a few of those stripes right now.

Imploder needs a haircut, reality check and some fresh ammo. ;)

404 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:02:36pm

#376- Beagle & Friends: the Terrorist-Mindset just finished, so I return here to say:

What they say RINGS TRUE! The Nazi-Islamist similarities ARE real! American Dearborn IS one huge foreign asset for them, but bottom line?

America is our only hope!

You heard them, "America is the only place we can live! If we tried to protest in any other Muslim nation, we'd by lynched in minutes!"

Call to those with ears to hear! Be as a clarion, sounding rational alarm, for freedom's enemies are at the gate, and living next door!

405 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:03:51pm
406 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:04:55pm

401 Dirk

My hair is long and I'm proud of it. If it fell out I think I would probably mourn losing it.

And miss it.. for a while

407 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:05:23pm

#400 Beagle

My middle son just got married and was asking me if he should go ahead and have a kid right off. I just told him, "You are infantry and going into combat. You do the math."

408 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:05:35pm

#399 Orson

Take pride in the stripes on the sleeves. That means a lot more than hair.

Thanks. But then I have to shave my whole head. My friend did this, and he looks good, but dang. I hate the barber, and I don't really like the shaved head look. Maybe I could find something in between a comb-over and shaved head, like a mohawk with a really weak front.

409 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:05:53pm

#382- Imploder: LMAO! You look like MY father!

Handsome dewd, cool uniform!

410 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:05:55pm

403 Orson

You're going to liberate Imploder from his hair... I can see it now..

:D

411 cyberbot7  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:05:59pm

Has anyone else noticed that Google has moved the original link to the movie Obsession: What The War On Terror Is Really About that was originally entered on LGF on Saturday, July 29, 2006?

If you hit search on the Google error page at the second link above from the LGF entry, the movie still comes up on Google Video at a slightly different url than the original, and when you browse to it all of the relevant comments are gone accept for the 1st one which I just entered.

412 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:06:54pm

400 Beagle

And your Dad was way cool.

413 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:07:21pm

I swear, seems like every time I look in, the same thing is happening.

414 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:08:17pm

407 Orson

Congratulations on the new daughter-in-law...

You have great kids..

415 Doss  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:08:55pm

Iran's taking the concept of human shields to a new level by threatening to kill all political prisoners if the UNSC acts against Iran.

416 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:08:58pm

#410 Amalie

I got electric shears if need be.

I also am kinda wanting a buzz cut. Long hair is starting to suck and now that the band is gone to shit, I figure what thenell. A buzz cut would look better under my white straw hat.

417 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:09:06pm

413 Mike C

What's that? Everyone talking about going bald?

418 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:10:05pm

What do you mean, Mike C. ?

419 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:11:02pm

Orson

I like buzz cuts too. Some days I feel like getting one myself. I think the buzz cut on a guy shows off his facial features more.

Which is a good thing.

420 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:12:22pm
So shave it off, lose the comb over and be happy.

I heartily agree. It sounds silly but losing one's hair, especially at a young age like I did, it takes a toll on your self image. You wake up and loathe looking in the mirror.

You don't like what you see and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

421 Max DarkSide  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:13:05pm

#402 Amalie

I don't how other women feel but it's the passion a man has for life that is attractive to me.

Nicely said. A person could be butt-ugly, physically, but with a fire-in-the-soul burning warm, directed passionately towards positive achievement, they radiate a rare beauty indeed.

The way I see it, we have so many minutes left to live. Make a list of things you want to do in life and start checking them off.

422 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:13:14pm

#408 imploder

THey say:

Some heads God made perfect. The rest he covered with hair.

423 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:13:36pm

It's nice to know that even though there is fighting in the Middle East and we are perhaps on the verge of the next World War, we are still vain.

/We're so vain, we probably think the song is about us..

424 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:15:32pm

#409 Carradine

#382- Imploder: LMAO! You look like MY father!

That uniform represents some pretty cool adventures, some mind-numbing duty, and some times where I thought I was surely dead.

Some of my friends did die doing the flying that we do, it is dangerous, yet aircrews today still fly those crazy missions. It could have been any of us. Still, we train in case we ever need them to do it, not that they are not flying real missions now. I think soon we will need even more.

We've got people in the military that lay it out every day for the cause. I was one of them.

425 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:15:57pm

420 Dirk

And yet, you are not Sampson. When you shaved off your hair you didn't lose all your strength?

426 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:16:35pm

#421 Max DarkSide

I went sky divin I went Rocky Mountain climbin
I spent 3.7 second on a bull named Fu Manchu

etc.

427 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:16:46pm
428 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:17:49pm

421 Max Darkside

A person could be butt-ugly, physically, but with a fire-in-the-soul burning warm, directed passionately towards positive achievement, they radiate a rare beauty indeed.

The way I see it, we have so many minutes left to live. Make a list of things you want to do in life and start checking them off.

Exactly!

429 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:18:09pm
The way I see it, we have so many minutes left to live. Make a list of things you want to do in life and start checking them off.

What a wonderful philosophy you have. I've always wanted to be a raging alcoholic. You've convinced me that there's no time like the present to start boozing it up.

430 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:19:28pm
I should have used my Sgt stripes, spoke with his Sgt and Article 15'd his ass. But getting his attention was more fun.

I think he did it the way it should be done. Keep the NCO business the NCO business. The officers have other shit (like powerpoint presentations) to worry about.

431 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:20:09pm
You've convinced me that there's no time like the present to start boozing it up.

LOL!

432 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:20:13pm

#424 imploder

My hat is off to you buddy.

433 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:21:31pm
And yet, you are not Sampson. When you shaved off your hair you didn't lose all your strength?

Oh like I said it was the best decision I made in a long time.

It hasn't affected my social live either. If anything it has given me greater confidence. That always makes one more attractive to las damas.

434 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:22:19pm
#413 Mike C.

I swear, seems like every time I look in, the same thing is happening.

Well, if one rocket/missile lands in Tel Aviv, katy bar the door and it's no secret.

Take it to the bank, Damasxus and/or Tehran will be hit.

/and that's a fact Jack, make of it what you will

435 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:22:41pm

427 Rayra

and the dipshit Motor-T lance corporal driving the vehicle was taking some delight in driving over the roughest spots OFF the road, turning us into human mariachi seeds in the bed of the truck

LOL ~

/Rayra, you look like the Quintessential Marine

436 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:24:21pm

#414 Amalie

Thanks, she's a real sweetheart and 3/4 indian. Well be breeding back to the original Cherokee with this kid.

/war whoop!

437 imploder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:25:17pm
Take it to the bank, Damasxus and/or Tehran will be hit.

I'd like to see the odds on that.

I don't think the U.S. will hit either of those targets without a direct Iranian attack on US forces.

Still, if the Israelis can cook up the stones to do it, I pray them Godspeed.

I'd prefer they concentrate on Tehran rather than the little, bitty surrogate of the mullahs, Damascus.

438 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:27:49pm

# 434 K B

Not what I was referring to. Never mind.

439 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:27:57pm

433 Dirk

Yep, confidence trumps attractiveness every time...

440 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:28:08pm

#424 imploder 8/4/2006 11:15PM PDT

#409 Carradine

#382- Imploder: LMAO! You look like MY father!

That uniform represents some pretty cool adventures, some mind-numbing duty, and some times where I thought I was surely dead.

Some of my friends did die doing the flying that we do, it is dangerous, yet aircrews today still fly those crazy missions. It could have been any of us. Still, we train in case we ever need them to do it, not that they are not flying real missions now. I think soon we will need even more.

We've got people in the military that lay it out every day for the cause. I was one of them.

I hear you! I served on mountaintops on the DMZ working the NorK problem, at the most belligerent period outside of actual war, since the Cease-Fire! If they came south, we were written off. Some of us died, from work-related problems like the jeep going over the edge, falling 400 meters before smashing on the rocks below! (north of KaPyong)

Yes! "...Crazy missions even today..." and we STILL think America's worth it! I LOVE IT!

441 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:29:33pm

#427 Rayra

We have GOT to have a few beers and go to a rally someday. I got a great camera ...

442 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:30:52pm

Heh-heh! #440: The 440 was my specialty in highschool... never broke 47.8

443 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:33:14pm

#437 imploder

I fully believe that if Israel started to walk into the Med, before they got hip[ deep the sea would roll back and let them be dry.

God won't let them down, and inreality, they themselves won't let them down. We don't have to diaper Israel's butt. They can well take care of things and are doing just that. Maybe not lile we'd like to see, but it ain't our fight, unless they ask us in.

In that case I'd say, go for it and let the fucking chips fall where they may. Muslims have no stomach for a good game of poker.

444 Beagle  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:33:48pm

#438 Mike C.

I know what you're thinking. But if I told you you'd have to kill me.

445 Beagle  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:35:04pm

#440 Carradine

Were you there for the Tree War?

446 Max DarkSide  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:38:20pm

#442 Carridine

The 440 was my specialty in highschool... never broke 47.8

If you are a 440 expert, what's a 440-Sixpack?

1. Track runner with tight tummy muscles
2. Former track runner with 6 beers
3. '69 Roadrunner power plant

Ha!

447 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:38:33pm

#445 Beagle

I was in BCT at Ft Sill for that one. THe cadre got some of us so worked up about going to war in Korea one guy puked all over the guy in front of him in formation.

I got 50 pushups for laughing.

448 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:39:26pm

#3

449 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:40:03pm
450 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:40:24pm

#445- Beagle: I think so... but with my clearance, I was specifically Forbidden from going to PanMunJom... Korean linguist and ASA and all that...

I was recalled from America 36 hours after the USS Pueblo incident, Feb 68... know the timeframe?

451 Max DarkSide  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:42:49pm

#448 Amalie

#3


Right! A very PASSIONATE engine at that. A plethora of passion for power.

452 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:42:51pm
453 Carridine  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:42:53pm

#446 Darkside: I ain't THAT kind of ex-spurt...

but I'll pick the hotrod answer, #3... :D

454 Tim V  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:43:31pm

take a listen to the Israeli song/video called Yalla Ya Nasrallah, it's great !

Periodically, as a form of psychological warfare, the Israelis hack into Lebanese television and play this video, which expresses disdain--to put it mildly--for Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah:

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

455 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:44:29pm

Yalla Ya Nas'rallah

"your beard is full of lice'

456 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:44:53pm

In 1976 two americans were killed while trying to clear brush on the DMZ. Nearly restarted the war in korea.

457 DistantThunder  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:46:17pm

America the Free and the Brave..These (Still) are the Golden Years

458 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:47:31pm

#452 rayra

Sony Mavica CD400

Takes movies or stills, good sound, not easily concealed though.

I can do many protests on one disk though.

This kind of thing is in my blood.

459 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:48:09pm

Besides, today the war in the Middle East took on another dimension.. the Shiites in Iraq are now backing Hezbollah in Lebanon..

There was a demonstration of thousands of Shiites..

The anti-war protest by Answer has folded Iraq into a trifecta of Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine..

The countries that are under "occupation."

460 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:48:17pm

VDH in this AM's Washington Times.

461 Beagle  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:50:08pm

Carradine and Orson Buggy,

I just read Long Gray Line which details the life of Bonifas and explains what happened to cause Operation Paul Bunyan. Arthur G. Bonifas was USMA Class of '66.

I learned to never turn your back on a North Korean. The same rule applys to wild animals, especially big cats.

I am familiar with the Pueblo. My dad was USN in WWII and a POW. So he took a special interest in POW's and told me about their horrible treatment.

462 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:50:31pm

1938 all over again..

And someone has to be free and brave..

463 Orson Buggy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:52:57pm

#459 Amalie

Mookie must die

/gnight all

464 Irene NYC  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:55:15pm

Has anybody heard if the *ahem* "official" Lebanese government has helped evacuate women and children north of the Litani?

465 Amalie  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:55:52pm

Night Orson

466 Nordish12  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 9:57:46pm

Tens of thousands expected in an anti-war rally in London today -- apparently this is the first officially endorsed by the Muslim Council of Britain, and hundreds of buses will bring people to London from all over the country's mosques. In Jack Straw's constituency alone, 50 buses are coming...

Moonbat Media shall be there to record the event, and report back later today!

467 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:01:47pm

Isn't there a hate fest in LA 8/11 ?

468 Beagle  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:02:46pm

#464 Irene NYC

I think Iran is sending in truckloads of disabled children to reinforce Hizballah's weapons depots. So long as the media cooperates in this charade they will use it to the hilt. Personally, I'd feel guilty for conspiring in war crimes. But that's just me, and I'm not a ghoul journalist.

469 Irene NYC  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:04:41pm

No, no Beagle! Not INTO the war zone, OUT of the war zone.
;)

/I know, I really shouldn't laugh.

470 Max DarkSide  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:04:42pm

#466 Nordish12

In Jack Straw's constituency alone, 50 buses are coming...
I wouldn't necessarily want to ride buses in London because their might be some mad Musli... oh wait...

471 Nordish12  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:06:57pm

#470 Max DarkSide

You're right, some bus routes in England are indeed not very safe, and attacks, rapes & murders are recorded regularly ... on the buses!

472 Beagle  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:11:34pm

#466 Nordish12

Perfect timing. The BBC bleats...

"The Israeli blitz on Qana and Baalbek have become a symbol of all that is most barbaric about the Bush/Blair 'war on terror'," it continued.


Of course Baalbek is where Hizballah used a hospital as their HQ --> a clear-cut war crime. But you'd never hear that from the Beeb.

OK, now I need to go read a book. This is starting to make me angry, again.

G'nite everyone, especially to the besieged people in Israel who are probably in the middle of a giant Katyusha barrage. The guy from Fox (Jeff Goldblatt) who calmly observed about ten landing all around him yesterday, in one barrage, deserves some kind of award for bravery.

G'nite Amalie. Europe wishes they had our immigration "problem."

473 kateca  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:14:58pm

Was seaching LGF for legal opinions on the lawsuit against Murtha.

Does it have a chance of sucess?
(Will it eventually make the news?)

Does his challenger Diana Irey have a chance to defeat him?

I want him tried for treason but would be very happy with an affirmative answer to any of the above.

474 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:16:50pm
475 kateca  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:21:13pm

I really do know how to spell success,,,pimf

476 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:21:56pm
There's a place
I can get to
Where I'm safe
From the city blues
And its green
And its quiet
Only trouble was
I had to buy it
And I'll do anything I got to do
Cut my hair and shine my shoes
And keep on singin' the blues
If I can stay here in Johnny's garden
As the swift bird
Flies over the grasses
Dipping now and then
To take his breakfast
Thus I come and go
And I travel
And I can watch that bird
And unravel

With his love
And his carin'
He puts his life
Into beauty sharin'
And his children
Are his flowers
There to give us peace
In quiet hours

Stephen Stills/Manassas/Johnny's Garden

477 Nordish12  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:22:27pm

Well regarding the BBC, I see someone has suggested a new logo for them:

[Link: prodicus.blogspot.com...]

478 SwampWoman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:23:26pm

Damn, Rayra, whatchoo thinkin'?

It's BUSH's FAULT for not evacuating the citizenry.

/And FEMAs, too.

479 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:24:15pm

morning all

480 SwampWoman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:28:54pm

Mornin', Jewels!

What's for breakfast?

481 RC neo-Jew  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:29:49pm

Obscene anti-Israel protest alert! Stop the War, on Saturday 5 August.

Leave children's shoes on Tony Blair's doorstep

Bring children's shoes to the national demonstration on Saturday 5 August. We will leave them at The Cenotaph, on Tony Blair's doorstep, to express our horror at his complicity in war crimes, which have lead to the slaughter of so many children in Lebanon, Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan.

482 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:30:01pm

blueberry pancakes, corned beef hash and eggs

483 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:30:05pm

Good stuff over at The Volokh Conspiracy.

484 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:31:49pm

Johnny Cash - Man in Black

Well, you wonder why I always dress in black,
Why you never see bright colors on my back,
And why does my appearance seem to have a somber tone.
Well, there's a reason for the things that I have on.

I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down,
Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town,
I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime,
But is there because he's a victim of the times.

I wear the black for those who never read,
Or listened to the words that Jesus said,
About the road to happiness through love and charity,
Why, you'd think He's talking straight to you and me.

Well, we're doin' mighty fine, I do suppose,
In our streak of lightnin' cars and fancy clothes,
But just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back,
Up front there ought 'a be a Man In Black.

I wear it for the sick and lonely old,
For the reckless ones whose bad trip left them cold,
I wear the black in mournin' for the lives that could have been,
Each week we lose a hundred fine young men.

And, I wear it for the thousands who have died,
Believen' that the Lord was on their side,
I wear it for another hundred thousand who have died,
Believen' that we all were on their side.

Well, there's things that never will be right I know,
And things need changin' everywhere you go,
But 'til we start to make a move to make a few things right,
You'll never see me wear a suit of white.

Ah, I'd love to wear a rainbow every day,
And tell the world that everything's OK,
But I'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back,
'Till things are brighter, I'm the Man In Black

485 SwampWoman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:45:11pm

#484 RTLM

I'm kinda partial to cocaine blues, myself.

Early one mornin' while makin' the rounds
I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down
I went right home and I went to bed I stuck that lovin' 44 beneath my head
Got up next mornin' and I grabbed that gun took a shot of cocaine and away I run
Made a good run but I run too slow they overtook me down in Juarez Mexico

486 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:46:04pm

kitty break

[Link: smg.photobucket.com...]

487 SwampWoman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:46:14pm

#482 Jewels

blueberry pancakes, corned beef hash and eggs

WHAT? No grits?

488 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:50:19pm

#487 Swamp Woman

After too many episodes of 'Alice', grits hold little appeal

489 Sleipnir  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:51:01pm

#472 Beagle

The BBC bleats...

"The Israeli blitz on Qana and Baalbek have become a symbol of all that is most barbaric about the Bush/Blair 'war on terror'," it continued.

No it doesn't: that is a quotation. It is quoting the agitprop of a spokesman of the Orwellian-entitled "Stop the War Coalition".

And it also quotes Maureen Lipman:

Actress Maureen Lipman, referring to Mr Blair's speech earlier this week as "pro-Israel", told the Jewish Chronicle: "It was brave. I was very pleased."

She added: "The death toll of women and children was terrible in the last attack. I felt ashamed.

"But we know terrorists use innocents as a human shield. There is a lack of understanding of Israel's situation and how there has been drip-drip terrorism ever since the withdrawal from Gaza."

And it could, so to speak, be said to be giving her "the last word", since she's quoted after those taking part in the event have had their (vilely dishonest) say.

The BBC is bad enough in all conscience. But it doesn't help the case against them if people make easily refutable charges against them based on careless misreadings of reports.

490 SwampWoman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:51:20pm

Highwayman, Johnny Cash.

I was a highwayman. Along the coach roads I did ride
With sword and pistol by my side
Many a young maid lost her baubles to my trade
Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade
The bastards hung me in the spring of twenty-five
But I am still alive.

I was a sailor. I was born upon the tide
And with the sea I did abide.
I sailed a schooner round the Horn to Mexico
I went aloft and furled the mainsail in a blow
And when the yards broke off they said that I got killed
But I am living still.

I was a dam builder across the river deep and wide
Where steel and water did collide
A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado
I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below
They buried me in that great tomb that knows no sound
But I am still around..I'll always be around..and around and around and
around and around

I fly a starship across the Universe divide
And when I reach the other side
I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can
Perhaps I may become a highwayman again
Or I may simply be a single drop of rain
But I will remain
And I'll be back again, and again and again and again and again..

491 SwampWoman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:53:16pm

#488 Jewels

After too many episodes of 'Alice', grits hold little appeal

Garlic cheese grits will never lose their appeal.

492 SwampWoman  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:54:08pm

Well, my bed is calling me so goodnight, insomniac thread.

493 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:54:49pm

Jewels - you in VA ?

494 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:57:00pm

#493 RTLM

Nope. In Nebraska appreciating the storm rolling through

495 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:57:09pm

#350 Beagle
The terrorist mindset video
WOW! I wish the local channels would run that piece.

496 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:58:49pm

#490 SwampWoman

Highwayman, Johnny Cash.

Johnny, Waylon & Willie

497 Summersong  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 10:59:01pm

Off topic - #413 Mike C.

"I swear, seems like every time I look in, the same thing is happening."

LOL, yeah, me too.

It's almost as annoying as the, "I'ma cooking this, smothered in that" type stuff.

Hmmm, maybe it's the same difference...

498 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:01:44pm

also looking over Flames of War minatures site

[Link: www.flamesofwar.com...]

499 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:04:12pm

building British 8th Armored Company myself

500 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:04:27pm

494 Jewels (AKA Julian)


Nope. In Nebraska appreciating the storm rolling through

Drove through Nebraska once - saw lot's of corn and cattle. Stopped in Grand Island and had the best pancakes and eggs ever.

501 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:05:38pm

#388 rtlm
Rayra/wasn't expecting that -- ROFLMAO

502 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:06:48pm

#500 Along I-80? yeah...we have some pretty good eateries along that stretch

503 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:13:45pm

Never mind that a relatively small number of determined military division's could, quite literally, cut a swath straight-through the continent with little, if any, resistance and destroy everything within its path: EU in disarray over shoe imports.

Morning folks…it’s business-as-usual while great advances are being made in Union’s primary industry, navel-gazing, throughout the EU.

504 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:23:10pm

# 503 a-H-H

Interesting. That's blocked here.

505 Globular Cluster  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:23:55pm
#442 Carridine 8/4/2006 11:30PM PDT

Heh-heh! #440: The 440 was my specialty in highschool... never broke 47.8

47.8 would put you, probably, top 10 in your state. 53 was my best -- a good contribution to your average track meet.

506 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:24:20pm

Mike C.

Imagine that

The European Commission's plans to regulate imports of leather shoes from China and Vietnam are in disarray, after EU member states rejected its latest proposals.

The Commission wants to introduce a formal system of import duties, to replace emergency measures introduced in March.

The temporary system was introduced following allegations that shoes were being "dumped" - or sold for less than it cost to make them - by manufacturers eager to gain a share of the EU's markets.

The Commission said at the time it had clear evidence that both China and Vietnam were unfairly subsidising their shoe industries.

Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson said the emergency tariffs were necessary to prevent European manufacturers being driven out of business by a wave of cheap imports.

The move was welcomed by shoe manufacturers in countries such as Italy, Portugal and Poland.

They said that EU firms faced much higher production costs than their East Asian rivals and could not hope to compete with them on price.

But retailers were furious, suggesting that the scheme would reduce their profits and mean that consumers would have to pay more for their shoes.

No agreement

The temporary measures are due to expire in October. The Commission wants to replace them with a more formal system to regulate Chinese and Vietnamese imports.

But such a scheme would require the approval of at least 13 of the 25 EU member states - and obtaining even that level of agreement is proving difficult.

Initially, the Commission suggested introducing a quota system. It would have allowed 140 million pairs of shoes from China and 95 million from Vietnam to be imported into the EU duty-free.

507 Kaintuck  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:24:36pm

OT

Sorry, sleep comes slowly tonight.

For anyone interested, here's a graphic in Chinese for "Lizard/Lizards" for your amusement, utility, etc.:


[Link: i96.photobucket.com...]

Might make a handy nameplate or whatever other purpose you might choose.

508 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:33:51pm

Kann fliegen fliegen, fliegen fliegen fliegen nach.

509 Globular Cluster  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:36:29pm

So, uh,

tonight 57 HizballahLebaneseShiiteTerroristCivilians were killed by the IAF.

I mean, they've been told for WEEKS to get the fuck out. They KNOW not to drive TOWARD the fighting, they KNOW that buildings offer no shelter.

They've been warned, instructed, cajoled and encouraged to evacuate by Israel in this conflict more than any other adversary has ever been warned.

The only explanations for this are:

1. Only Hizballah were killed by the strikes
2. Hizballah is preventing people from leaving in order to create human shields.
3. The arabs are just too stupied to comprehend written warnings.

510 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:40:21pm
1. Only Hizballah were killed by the strikes
2. Hizballah is preventing people from leaving in order to create human shields.
3. The arabs are just too stupied to comprehend written warnings.


4. There were never any innocent civillians to begin with. (see #1)

511 Sleipnir  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:41:25pm

What on Earth is this Japanese hairdresser trying to say with his signboard?

[Link: www.engrish.com...]

512 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:42:41pm

3. The arabs are just too stupied fanatical to comprehend written warnings.

There, it's # 3.

513 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:42:55pm

# 506 RTLM

Oh, I knew what it was concerning. I just found it interesting that these gguys bothered to block it.

# 509 G C

Ooh! Ooh! I know! "All of the above"?

514 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:46:04pm

Kids study Arabic at [US funded] Minn. summer camp
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

As they pique interest among young people about Arabic language and culture, camp officials are concerned they're sending them back into an educational system that still has few opportunities for those who want to keep learning. Several Concordia officials said they hope they're on the leading edge of an increase in Arabic instruction in U.S. high schools.
Such a trend would help to fill a growing need for Arabic skills in U.S. military and intelligence circles, in diplomatic and higher education settings and even in corporate America.
"I bet that the Pentagon and the CIA and the State Department are chomping at the bit for kids like these," said Sheldon Green, a Concordia official. Funding for the Arabic village came in part from a $250,000 grant from a U.S. State Department "critical-needs" language program.
Some of the campers are already eyeing career paths that could benefit from Arabic skills. Still, the kids at Al-Waha aren't spending that much time thinking about the future. Mostly, they seem to just be enjoying summer camp.

515 extrabob  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:48:23pm

Morning, dead-threaders!

516 RTLM  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:49:59pm

Hear that the Norks shot a Chinese soldier dead on their border

Chinese moved some 2K more troops to the border to push back the refugee flow.

Recent floods killed thousands in DPRK.

Hate for anything to ruin the upcoming Olympic parade...

517 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:50:13pm

#504 Mike C.

Morning Mike...no sense in taking a chance the natives might get restless, afterall, what the people don't know, won't trouble the ruling elite.

Hardly any damned wonder our Left is so enthralled at such a prospect.

How goes the Peoples Paradise these days? They enjoying the prospect over the chances of a very real confrontation with Iran at the hub or getting a tad-bit nervous? It appears they enjoy a goodly amount of business with the Mullahs, Iran's trade exchanges with China stood at $1.306 billion for the period... Somehow I'm thinking its not primarily shoes.

518 cbinflux  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:50:57pm

No good deed goes unpunished... Moocher won't go.
Chicago church, Katrina evacuee at odds
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

519 Sleipnir  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:51:10pm

#510 RTLM

4. There were never any innocent civillians to begin with. (see #1)

So we are to discount reports of Hizbollah preventing people leaving? Why?

WASHINGTON, August 3 (UPI) — A U.S. Christian group is accusing Hezbollah of using Christian villages in Lebanon to shield its military operations against Israel.

Christian Solidarity International said Wednesday in a news release that Hezbollah, a Shia Muslim group supported by Iran, is southern Lebanese Christian villages, such as Ain Ebel, Rmeish, Alma Alshaab and others are being used by Hezbollah terrorists for launching missile attacks.

"Hezbollah is repeating the same pattern that it practiced against Israel in 1996," says former South Lebanese Army commander, Col. Charbel Barkat. "Hezbollah is hiding among civilian populations and launching attacks behind human shields."

A Christian from the village of Ain Ebel, who is nameless because he fears retribution by Hezbollah, discovered Hezbollah guerillas were setting up a launcher to fire Katyusha rockets from the rooftop of his home. Ignoring his pleas to stop, they fired the missiles. He immediately gathered his family and fled home, which indeed was bombed and destroyed 15 minutes later by an Israeli air strike.

In addition to having their homes commandeered for launching Hezbollah's attacks, there have been attempts to obstruct Christians from fleeing their villages. On Saturday, July 28, Hezbollah fighters fired upon Christians fleeing Rmeish with their families, wounding two, according to Christian sources in south Lebanon.

More here:

Hizbollah's shields

520 Sleipnir  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:52:30pm

#512 Miguel

Hi, Miguel. I see you've popped up.

521 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:57:33pm

Sleipnir
Hello there, old chap! lol

522 Sleipnir  Fri, Aug 4, 2006 11:59:35pm

Miguel,

Are we the only ones here now ... seems quiet.

523 Sleipnir  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:00:38am

... and I was hoping littleloldlady would have some breakfast ready.

524 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:00:51am

Better early than never. Good morning, dead thread.

525 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:01:20am

Sleipnir
Yes, we are absolutely all alone...and 1088 others LOL

526 Carridine  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:01:32am

#505- Cluster: Truth? It was in the State Relays, end of the year... Mile relay, and I was normally/nominally the second-slowest of the four of us in the Mile Relay...

Steve Reynolds, black, FAST...
John Newsome, black, fast...
Karridine, white, okay...
Steve Miller, white, best time 52+

But coach put me in at anchor, and by the time Steve handed off to me, I was ONE foot behind the kid who was in the next-to-last position...

I ran like I'd never run before, trying not to disgrace my school... my family... my ancestors...

...but finished in last place!

Sick at heart, thinking I'd let EVERYBODY down, it wasn't until our bus was approaching school that Coach showed me the splits, and told me he was PROUD of me...

Bloom where you're planted!

527 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:02:07am

Mike
RIGHT ON THE DOT! ;)

528 cbinflux  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:05:59am

A Bit of History for Global Warmers: Look at 1930
[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

529 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:06:30am

# 517 a-H-H

Well, I read more detail than that article had just the other day in the local paper. So it's not like the subject isn't discussed openly here. Just a bad job of censorship by somebody. Stupid beaurocrats.

530 Sleipnir  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:06:37am

Wow, Melanie Phillips telling truth to power. She's basically saying that the British establishment is fiddling while Rome burns - same all over the West, of course.

[Link: www.melaniephillips.com...]

531 cbinflux  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:06:59am

The highest temperature recorded in the United States was in Death Valley, Calif., in July of 1913 – 134 degrees Fahrenheit.

532 RTLM  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:07:40am

Hello Miguel...

Sleipnir

Harsh

I am sorry about that circumstance - truly.

I have children

My overriding concern is for the preservation of Israel, not Lebanon as it is.

Hizballah has had six years to gain a very obvious foothold on that society and nuetrals who wished to remain did so with their eyes wide open.

Don't cry foul now that the proverbial shit has hit the fan.

If this mindset takes hold, just breakout the check books now and cut Dresden, Hiroshima & Nagasaki their just reparations.

Let the UN figure out how much we all owe for the that mass destruction

533 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:10:39am

RTLM
Hello there! :)

/Can you pay for Texas and Cali too?
My bank account no. is 32'897321651765165 :p

534 RTLM  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:15:19am

Miguel,

I'll let you mess with Texas...

I'll buy you a Dos Equis in the town with the Mission of the Swallows any time.

535 Sleipnir  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:16:12am

RTLM,

Don't cry foul now that the proverbial shit has hit the fan.

I'm not. I think Israel is doing as it must - and should act a lot more forcefully if necessary. I think the rest of the civilized world should be grateful to Israel, as well. Iran and its proxies threaten the peace and security of everyone.

536 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:16:57am

RTLM
Which is the town with the Mission of the Swallows? San Juan Capistrano?

537 cbinflux  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:17:10am

[illegal] Beach for Muslim Women Planned in Italy
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

...Cenni said he was already discussing with authorities the only snag in the proposal _ the fact that the partitions won't reach into the sea but will have to stop short of the waterline to allow public passage.
While Riccione's municipality would consider authorizing the construction of reserved seaside swimming pools, Cenni said he hopes he will be allowed to close-off the entire beach with covered partitions and have female lifeguards patrol the sea in water scooters to keep men away. In Italy, all shorelines must be accessible to the public.
"That sounds a little bit like a fantasy," said Andrea Cicchetti, a spokesman for Riccione's mayor.
But Cenni insists that if the partitions are mounted on isolated beaches the inconvenience to passers-by and swimmers will be minimal, allowing his guests to swim without having to don headscarves and robes again.
"These are areas where there is little passage and any problem could be solved with common sense and sensitivity," he said. "We want to make a beach where these ladies will be free."

While at the same time, and while making Euros, we will take away the fredom of many others -- and ensure that these women remain in bondage.

538 ouray  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:18:10am

#505 Globular Cluster

#442 Carridine 8/4/2006 11:30PM PDT

Heh-heh! #440: The 440 was my specialty in highschool... never broke 47.8

47.8 would put you, probably, top 10 in your state. 53 was my best -- a good contribution to your average track meet.

He never broke 45.11 either...it's a play on words. 47.8 s in 440 was the WI state highschool record for awhile.

539 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:19:04am

littleoldlady stupidly forgot to buy coffee yesterday. Had to go out and get some. It took some concentration to drive to get coffee without...um...coffee. ('Specially in the dark!)

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup and Krispy Kremes™ are on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

540 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:20:23am

cbinflux

We want to make a beach where these ladies will be free...


Doublespeak. (Is that the term in English?).
This guys are using George Orwell as a text book.

We have to stick with Israel at this bleak hour.

541 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:22:16am

Hey littleoldlady! :)
Thanks for the breakfast.
Have 3 coffees now...

542 RTLM  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:23:43am

Sleipnir

Israel is doing as it must - and should act a lot more forcefully if necessary. I think the rest of the civilized world should be grateful to Israel, as well. Iran and its proxies threaten the peace and security of everyone

.

I believe you and I agree then.

543 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:25:07am

Miguelito! :-)

Yup. Three coffees is about what it will take.

/ummm! Wawa coffee is the best!

544 tradewind  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:26:18am

Arghghgh. Home-from-college (for two more weeks) kid is not conducive to sleep when alarm goes off as they enter at four am...

Bibi on CNN now: Too bad he's not PM in Israel.

545 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:27:12am

KLINK!
Sound of a cup of coffee and a glass of rum & coke clashing.

546 RTLM  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:27:22am

Miguel,

Hope you're well - got some questions for you. (later). San Juan Capo indeed.

/good night all

547 cbinflux  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:27:31am

Ga. lawmaker in scuffle now in ‘fight of career'
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Rep. Cynthia McKinney, running late, rushes into her suburban Atlanta campaign headquarters. She's about to be endorsed by the 250-member Afro-American Patrolmen's League.

What happened to the Blue Line?! Reverse-racism strikes again!

548 humanity  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:28:08am

#15 kvinay

The war between Islam and Humanity continues on borders of Lebanon and Israel. HinduUnity.org supports Israel in it's military actions. The importance of these actions cannot be understood by the left psuedo seculars and the blind Muslim sympathizers of the world. When will India come out of it's sari's and bangles and stand up to Muslim aggression in it's own country? Israel is clearly showing us the way on dealing with Islam. Anyone awake in India? Or are we Hindus still chanting the Ghandian mantras and deliberately allowing our manhood to be sacrificed?

kvinay ... 15 august is comming... make slave prade... perhaps your goverment will feel the heat ... if common-peoples go for slave prade on independance day---

549 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:28:48am

tradewind
If I were Israeli, Netanyahu would be my guy in politics.

550 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:31:06am

RTLM
Yes I'm fine, thanks! Hope it's the same with you. About the questions, any time :)
Good night!

551 tradewind  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:31:45am

#549,

He just oozes confidence somehow. I get this feeling that if he were in charge it would have all been over by now.

Looks like the shiite(s) is/are about to hit the fanatics, because they've fired a missile within 28 miles of TA.

552 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:35:35am

# 544 tradewind

Who was that disgraceful little slut that was "interviewing" him? She sure was even-handed and without agenda. NOT.

553 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:35:55am

tradewind
Nazrallah feels very brave because he thinks many countries support him...like France.
When chickens come home to roost, they will all hide, except Iran and the assorted terrorist orgs, IMO.

554 Carridine  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:36:05am

#461 Beagle: Not ignoring you, forgive me! I just now discovered your response...

The US govt has just recently acknowledged in a formal manner that the period from 1964 to early 1969 was an especially violent time with the NorKs...

Theirs may be a special case, because in truth the people of NorK are literally held prisoner by 'their' government, Lil Kim and the Ornery Roneries!

Hideous, ghastly and unutterably cruel don't begin to plumb the depths of North Korean depravity toward North Koreans or any others! North Koreans were picked by the Japs of WWII to serve as POW guards, known for their cruelty and willingness to out-cruel the Japanese!

I was enlisted, not ossifer... Army Security Agency, top 10% (of the bottom 5%)!

555 cbinflux  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:39:14am

#547 wingnut McKinney cont'd

First elected to Congress in 1992, McKinney focused on Africa policy and developed a reputation as “one of the most pro-Arab, pro-Palestinian members of Congress,” says Alan Abramowitz, a political scientist at Emory U.
McKinney implied that President Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance and didn't try to stop it. She lost her seat in 2002 to fellow Democrat Denise Majette.
McKinney's father Billy, then a state legislator, blamed the defeat on “J-E-W-S”
...McKinney easily recaptured her old job.
Last month, however, she won only 47% to Johnson's 44% in the Democratic primary, forcing Tuesday's runoff. She began a cable-TV ad barrage at week's end as polls showed her trailing Johnson.
The Jewish community has again whipped into action. Johnson received at least $23,000 from pro-Israel political action committees in just two days this week, campaign finance records show.
McKinney's scuffle with the Capitol Hill Police officer has been a key issue. McKinney had a new hairstyle and was not wearing her congressional member pin when an officer stopped her from circumventing security at the Capitol. She later accused the officer of racial profiling and “inappropriate touching.” A grand jury did not bring charges against McKinney.
McKinney's conduct sets a bad example and is an appropriate campaign issue, Johnson says. A “regular” person who shoved a cop, he says, would have been handcuffed, fingerprinted and booked.
Abramowitz says many voters perceive McKinney as a mix of “arrogance and paranoia.” He says she has written off northern DeKalb County, a white area where he lives: “We do not get her newsletters. She never ventures up here.”
McKinney counters that “I've always been the representative for everyone” in the district, whatever their race or party
.
Mark Davis, a “data miner” for the GOP, says he's notifying Republicans who did not vote in the GOP primary that they can vote in the Democratic runoff. He says some Republicans want to stay out of it because “we love having a wing nut like McKinney as the face of the Democrat Party.” Others want to defeat her because “she is such a joke that she can't get much done in Congress for her constituents.”
Civil rights activists Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have endorsed McKinney, and most of her contributors are from outside Georgia. It's OK for them to help pick the winner, McKinney said, because “Congress is a national office.”Unlike typical candidates, McKinney has no campaign press secretary or public schedule. She did not participate in debates before the primary. A recorded office greeting last weekend urged callers to vote in the primary July 20. The primary was actually on July 18.
McKinney called her event with black officers Tuesday “very important,” but the press was not alerted. Only CNN and USA TODAY were present, joined halfway through by a local TV station. The CNN crew was there for a prearranged interview (it never happened) and was unaware of the endorsement.
One of the endorsers was McKinney's father, a retired cop. The pair spent much of the hour discussing past and present discrimination against black police officers.
Boone says one reason McKinney might lose Tuesday is her focus on racial issues. Newcomers to her district, he says, are younger, middle-class blacks interested in education, jobs and taxes
: “They are not necessarily influenced by the old civil rights leadership. The demographics are changing. … We are definitely in a post-civil rights phase.”

556 tradewind  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:39:44am

#552,

I don't know but she pushes my hurl reflex button ... she has this affected British accent *** that turns ordinary phrases into sneers.

***And I usually like 'em... go figure

557 spanishpete  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:41:16am

morning all.
well landis is totally screwed, his b sample tested positive.
seeing as pro cycling is totally drug soaked i guess he made one mistake. he got caught.

558 Sleipnir  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:42:26am

#539 lol

Have you heard from St. P?

I miss her lively presence here.

559 tradewind  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:43:47am

Does anyone else find it really hard to picture John Bolton hammering out a bandaid ceasefire agreement for this conflict with the French cheese-eating surrender monkeys?

560 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:46:33am

Howdy Sleipnir!

Yes, I miss her too. I left messages on her phone(s) yesterday. Haven't heard back from her. I'm hoping she's off on a last-fling before school starts mid-August.

561 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:46:52am

Well, I'll be!
Mel Gibson's favorite bodyguard is an Israeli.

562 BenZacharia  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:49:12am

Sleipnir

LoL says she may have taken another vacation before the term starts.

563 Sleipnir  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:53:09am

#553 Miguel

The French. :-)

Phillipe Douste-Blazy, their Foreign Secretary, first said that Iran was a stablizing force in the region. LOL

I guess he would: the French have heavy investments in Iran. I understand they built a new Renault factory there just this year. However, after Ahmadinejad made another openly genocidal speech a day or two ago, Douste-Blazy said Iran had missed its chance to be a stabilizing force. A rebuke but a pretty soft one.

However, mealy-mouthed as the French may be, I suspect they're looking for Hizbollah to be cut down to size. They may not want to say so, but I bet they are.

564 tradewind  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:54:57am

#561,

Some friends who stayed up here for a few weeks after Katrina were going on and on about how they were absolutely not concerned about any looting or vandals at their Garden District home, which was not badly damaged and was being repaired during their stay. When we asked why they weren't worried, since the news was all over the looting, they said ' not a problem, we've all got these fabulous Israeli security guards '.

565 tradewind  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 12:58:32am

CNN letting a Lebanese woman rant on ' would you Americans, you Brits like having bombs dropped on your homes and children '?

I'd love to tell her that I wouldn't be stupid enough to host rocket launchers in my living room, either.

566 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:00:37am

Sleipnir
I have the impression that the French have always swallowed a lot of things they wanted to say. I'm preety sure they would love the Arabs to disappear from the known universe, but of course, they would never admit it. They, so steeped in chivalry.

tradewind
Some of the special groups of the Mexican armed forces are trained by Israelis.
They are the best.

567 spanishpete  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:01:24am

now his team has sacked him. they dont want to be dragged down with him.
watch everybody turn on him now.
he will be the man who bought shame on his country instead of glory.

568 AW  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:01:42am

Video of Katyusha attack on Haifa:

569 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:03:49am

# 565 tradewind

You watching regular (American) CNN or CNN Int. ? 'Cause I'm listening to CNN Int., and I'm hearing exactly what you're hearing.

570 Sleipnir  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:04:44am

Miguel,

They, so steeped in chivalry.

That's one way to put it.

But surely the noblest caballeros were Spanish :-)

571 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:06:04am

Ooh - IDF navy commandos pulled a raid on a Hiz b'Allah command center in Tyre.

572 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:07:26am

Sleipnir
Thanks a lot, and I agree with you. :)
The French gentlemanie is a disguise for cowardice many times.

/Now, that's a phrase for posterity...lol

573 tradewind  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:09:11am

Mike,

This time of morning my regular CNN coverage is the international version. I'm just flippin', trying to get sleepy again.

After that video of the attack, I am totally bewildered by Israel's restraint.

574 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:10:34am

Mike
Guys like those are the ones able to train special forces in any army.

575 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:12:22am

Taking meannastyteenager up to NYC for a daytrip so she can spend my money. Gotta get moving...(Thank goodness for 3 cups!)

Good day, ALL!™

May G-d bless the IDF and all the people of Israel!

576 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:13:52am

# 573 tradewind

It's the only thing I ever listen to. I don't ever actually watch it, as it's off to one side from the desk where I park the laptop, and I can't actually see the screen from here. But it's the only channel I ever turn on. The alternative is BBC - not good. But hey - for months in Kuwait, the only English language channel I could get was Bloomberg. I sure was up on financial matters for that time period.

577 Sleipnir  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:14:10am

Miguel,

All this talk of chivalry reminds me of the first great European novel - about the character who doesn't know that age has passed. Can you get streaming ram media?

Full recording here - at least the BBC is still good for some things:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

578 Carridine  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:14:42am

#561- Miguel: I treat drunken rants the same as sleep-walking or sleep-talking... NOT the person, not even the 'real, unguarded' person...

In fact, maybe even a person like Mel, REPLAYING some especially repugnant rants he'd heard recently, and "could't" confront publicly at the time... hence the inner conflict at recognizing they're loathsome rants, and drinking to shut them up...

579 tradewind  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:14:55am

#575 LOL,

Beware Barneys.
/laughing/

580 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:19:20am

# 577 Sleipnir

5 pence says Miguel has read it.

581 tradewind  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:21:19am

#576,

I can't totally hate CNN, because for one stretch when I had some ronery Narita layovers, that was the only English on the tube, and then only every other half hour.

Still, they can really pick some bitchy foreign anchor-ettes... some of them make Christianne Amanwhatsername look like Miss Congeniality.

582 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:23:25am

Sleipnir
Oh! Don Quijote is a great novel indeed. And very funny. I've read it a few times, and every time it makes me laugh frequently lol.

Good bye littleoldlady! Say hi to Hillary! :)

Carridine
Yes, I'm willing to give him a break.
Braveheart and specially The Passion are worth it ;)

583 Sleipnir  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:24:27am

#580 Mike C.

Oh, sure, but the streaming file is a discussion of the book, which may hold some interest.

584 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:30:37am

Sleipnir
This is a great essay, Life of Don Quijote and Sancho, by Miguel de Unamuno. A veru insightful explanation of the meaning of the novel.

Mike
You won ;)

585 ibrodsky  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:33:53am

#578 Carridine

For some of us, Gibson's drunken rant merely confirmed what we suspected.

However, his second apology was more complete and to the point. I think now we have to stop kicking him and give him a chance.

586 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:35:43am

All we are saying
is give Mel a chance
...
:p

587 ibrodsky  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:39:43am

You sing like you fight, Don Quixote.

When do I get my personal fiefdom?

- Sancho Panza

588 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:41:17am

# 583 Sleipnir

Been a while since I last read it. I have it at home on the bookshelf, in the form of a hardbound edition from the Harvard Classics set. Probably printed in the 40s, so not antique or anything, but more satisfying than some cheap paperback. Books these days, as books per se, are usually crap. And I'm talking about the physical book itself, not the content. I only have two books printed after 1960 or so that are really well-made.

589 Sleipnir  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:41:57am

#584 Miguel

I'm strapped for cash. Haven't you got anything free online? :-)

590 BenZacharia  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:44:08am

585 ibrodsky

OK, now how do we get past the fact that 'death camp' is not in his vocabulary? See Peggy Noonans' Readers Digest Arty.

Without death camps there is no holocaust.

591 Sleipnir  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:44:45am

#588 Mike C.

The "perfect binding" system is horrible, isn't it? Was there ever a more inappropriate name? Sewn-in signatures are so much better.

But at least in the US, the better books - even paperbacks - are printed on acid-free paper. Here in the UK the quality of the paper is usally abysmal

592 ibrodsky  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:44:49am

Chapter 83:

In which MigueldowninMexico stands on his head and becomes MiguelupinMexico, and the hilarious events that follow.

593 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:46:05am

Sleipnir
These are the libraries that supposedly carry that book in the UK.
I hope it's helpful.

594 ibrodsky  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:47:38am

590 BenZacharia

All I am saying,
is give Mel one last chance

It's not like I ever defended the guy.

595 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:48:04am

ibrodsky
ROFL! LOL!
That was just great! LOL

596 Sleipnir  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:49:17am

Miguel,

Yes, I was forgetting libraries. As long as it is in one somewhere, my local library can probably put in a request to borrow it.

597 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:50:29am

Sleipnir
There you go ;)

598 BenZacharia  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:52:28am

Fine, one last chance. Now how long do I have to wait before he quits denying and aknowledges that there was a holocaust?

599 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:55:02am

Good morning everyone!

No second chance for Mel -

600 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:55:35am

600

601 ibrodsky  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:56:35am

598 BenZacharia 8/5/2006 03:52AM PDT

Fine, one last chance. Now how long do I have to wait before he quits denying and aknowledges that there was a holocaust?

That's entirely up to you.

All I'm suggesting is that the guy appears to have surrendered unconditionally, so I think we should stop kicking him long enough to see if he is sincere.

602 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:57:17am

BenZ
If he denies the Shoah, he's and imbecil.

603 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 1:57:41am

# 591 Sleipnir

There are a few small imprints that still make quality books, but bring your wallet. Better yet, bring somebody else's wallet. One of the recent (1992 ?) books I have that is superb is actually an auction catalog. There was a collection of Breguet watches (about 120 or so, dating back to the 1700s) being auctioned off in Switzerland after doing a world tour. I managed to get a copy of the catalog from a jeweler in Doha that hosted the Arabian Gulf stop. I got it for free. It is very thick, full of plates and fold-out plates in color and monochrome, and wonderfully made. I'll bet it cost at least $ 2-300 US per copy to produce. Absolutely magnificent, and the best-made book I own.

But I gotta grab some eats, so back in a bit.

604 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:00:51am

Good Morning Youse'all from a warmish (74 degrees, going up to 90) but blue sky, not a cloud in sight, New York City! How is everyone?

605 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:01:48am

hello realwest!
I'm ok, thanks, how about you? :)

606 ibrodsky  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:05:30am

Folks, it is a HUGE mistake to say words to the effect "No forgiveness for Mel Gibson" right now.

Keep in mind that I was one of the people who concluded Gibson's Passion of the Christ was antisemitic.

But the guy came back with a more complete and straightforward apology. He's asked to meet with representatives of the Jewish community. He's asked for help.

It would look mean-spirited and unforgiving to not give him a last chance. Plus, though I don't personally believe that alcohol makes people say things they don't believe, it's possible that Gibson has finally realized where his beliefs lead...

It's not like he is an Islamofascist mass murderer.

607 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:06:59am

Morning realwest. Cooler here too today. Hope so - we need to do some packing ourselves.

608 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:07:08am

#602 MigueldowninMexico - Miguel! Como esta, mi Amigo? Long time no see! How are you and how's life for you these days with the lefties going more beserk each day?

609 BenZacharia  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:07:48am

602 MdiM

Search LGF 'Peggy Noonan' over the last 7 days and you'll find here arty with direct qoutes. The man can't say 'death camp', interment and concentration are the only thing he knows.

I'm amazed that people will not do a critique of his comments when sober. Only excuse his TIPSY comments. Cattt posted the clinical material on the effects of booze, look for that too, and at .12 he was DUI but not drunk. Try one of those bars/cantinas sometime that have the breathylizer (sic?) machines and track your progress.

610 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:11:01am

#605 MigueldowninMexico - well I'm sure glad that you're ok, we've been missing each other for quite some time! And since I've only got today, tomorrow and Monday's Dead Threads before I leave for my new home in Charlotte, I'll be off the 'net and no e-mail from Monday late morning until probably Friday August 11th or later, I'm glad I got to see you again before my trip!

611 BenZacharia  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:11:42am

Keep in mind that if a person commits a crime while under the influence, the courts disallows that as a defense.

Galloping Granny

Good article.

612 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:12:21am
#606 ibrodsky
It's not like he is an Islamofascist mass murderer.

He's just one of the one's that eggs him on ibrodsky - in a very big way.

Turning the cheek is well and good. We should all do that. But that does not mean that Mel should be allowed to escape the consequences of his actions. If that means that his career is destroyed, so be it.

Every single day we witness the results of too many people who have too much public power because they wield the world-wide media stick. Every last one of them that can be caught like Mel should be ridden out of town on a rail. They must be stopped or this is going to go on for another hundred years.

613 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:14:05am

#607 galloping granny - Morning back atcha! Why are you packing? Taking a trip (long or short?) or are you changing homes also?!

614 ibrodsky  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:15:01am

At worst, Gibson realizes his career is in jeopardy and is apologetic for that reason.

BUT if the "no forgiveness" crowd wins you can be certain he will become a hardened antisemite.

If he is given a chance, however, it may convince him to rethink his views.

He has taken the first step to reconciliation. I don't think it's wise to slam the door in his face at this moment.

615 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:15:33am

realwest
I'm having the great time of my life ;) Mexico is a lizard's dream right now. The commies are making enemies by the millions, hurting A LOT of people with their actions.
I never thought that they would be so stupid. It's a funny feeling when your adversaries hurt themselves badly.
Staunch opposition to the leftie candidate went from 40 some % to above 70% recently, and it's still going up.
Today is an important day, as the Tribunal Federal Electoral, the supreme authority in this, decides if they recount the whole votation as the commies demand, or not. If they don't accept, the commies are threatening to step up their actions all over the country.
I hope the Tribunal doesn't give in and the moonbats molest even more millions of people. :)

616 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:16:52am

#609 BenZacharia - Morning Ben! How are you and and your wife doing today? A little cooler where you are, I hope?

617 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:20:05am

Hello galloping granny :)

618 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:20:51am

If you haven't seen the video of the Pali's using UN ambulances as armored personnel carriers, you'll find it here, along with some background info. July 27 entry, halfway down the page.

619 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:21:00am

#615 MigueldowninMexico - Wow Miguel, it's been a looong time since a friend has said that they are having the time of their lives! I'm so happy for you (but, ultimately sorry for what this must be doing to the social fabric of Mexico). Are you and yours physically safe if the Tribunal Federal Electoral says no to the Commies demands?

620 Carridine  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:21:02am

#582-Miguel, 585- Ibrodsky, #599- Granny: core here? He needs help! Get it, change permanently and it all becomes a footnote...

Choose to hide from, deny, obfuscate or otherwise NOT DEAL WHOLEHEARTEDLY with the core (whatzit) that's hurting inside Mel, and it'll slide back around and manifest in his life with a different modus operandi, but bigger and harsher BECAUSE it wasn't resolved, NOW!

621 ibrodsky  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:23:40am

612 galloping granny

Let's assume he has been antisemitic up until now.

If he is just trying to deceive everyone now, I don't think he would have apologized the way he did.

He could have said "I'm sorry if some people were offended."

Heck, he could have said "I'm sorry the truth hurts."

But he didn't. He said he disavows the views he expressed. He said he wants to meet with Jewish leaders. He said he needs help.

If he's lying now, it will come out, and then certainly he must be dismissed as a con artist.

But it is very mean-spirited not to at least check to see whether he has had a change of heart. And worst of all, it will make Jews look unforgiving... a people with a grudge. I don't think it's a good idea.

We can always dismiss him for good later if need be...

622 BenZacharia  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:27:45am

realwest
putting this at the beginning as firefox just crapped out on me and won't let me type at the end of the line. eval and make arrangements for PT.

Mornin', 60f here! windows open since yesterday. Wifffeee fine, had the nurse come yesterday to do eval

623 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:28:29am

#613 realwest - changing homes, daughter is buying a house

BenZ - how are you and your wife today?

Migueldowninmexico - hey! I hardly ever seem to run into you. Hope things are well with you.

ibrodsky, you are right of course that Mel should be given another chance so as not to harden his heart. Simultaneously, he also must be made to pay a price, otherwise the lesson will have no meaning at all for him and he'll be right back to business as usual.


One of the biggest problems in society today is the "He didn't mean it, can't help it, is a victim himself" excuse. Drunks, child molesters, rapists, jew-haters, murderers, left liberals excusing islamofascists - they all use the same one excuse. So for that matter do most kindergardeners and the 16 year old that trashed my BILs car yesterday.

Sorry, even abjectly sorry, simply isn't good enough sometimes.

624 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:28:58am

realwest
Yes, we are safe, although there's always the chance of something happening. Not likely though.
I guess I get across as mean hearted because you are right, this is damaging the fabric of Mexican society. But, once things are happening this way, and the result is a huge blow to the left in Mexico, that makes me say: bring it on, in a Kerriesque way ;)
But it is sad indeed for millions of people suffering in their daily lives, specially when commuting. And the drop in economic activity, and etc. etc.
I still trade that coldly for a near-dismisal of the left, as I think is going to happen.

I'm usually tender at heart, but sometimes one has to be harsher, in the face of certain circumstances.
Thanks a lot for yor interest :)
And know, you Americans, that your neighbor to the South is no moonbat country, and much less from now on ;)

625 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:29:56am

Some hoLLLywood actor is an asshole, and now we have to hear about it all week.

WHO CARES?

626 Carridine  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:33:00am

#623- Granny: Concur Yr Analysis! Spot on!

NOTHING can take the place of a principled responsibility for one's life and actions!

627 ibrodsky  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:33:13am

One last point on Gibson:

There is an easy test of his sincerety.

He can be told that if he wants to prove he is sincere he should volunteer to fight antisemitism.

Let's see, then, if he offers his name and fame to the battle against antisemitism or if he makes excuses for not doing so.

Let's see if he offers to give public speeches or perhaps to make a movie that helps the fight.

628 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:34:03am

realwest
Hope you have a wonderful move to your new home. We'll meet around here to comment how it went ;)
I'm leaving in a few minutes, is past my bed time.

galloping granny
Hello! Yes, we are new aquaintances.
I wonder if we have been properly introduced ;)

Ben Zacharia
I rather pass on the subject brother. All of us have a part of truth in this, and W lover is right on this.

629 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:34:05am

#623 galloping granny - Whoa! Nice tossaway line there "changing homes, daughter's buying a house" and that's IT? Where will you be moving to and when and how do ya feel about it?!

630 nonic  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:34:19am

Good morning, people.

I haven't read the full conversation yet, but I'd like to add my 2 cents re Mel Gibson.

If you've ever known an alcoholic, ask him or her whether "in vino veritas" applies. Ask yourself if you've dealt with an alcoholic during a binge. Ask his or her family.

In fact, from what I've seen, just the opposite is true. In alcoholism, the substance can change people, like Jekyl and Hyde.

Anyway. Whatever he said, sober or drunk, what does he do? Does he act like an anti-Semite?

There was a piece in LA Times yesterday (can't get the link right now) about how a number of Gibson's friends, including many Jews, are saying, no, this is not him.

631 nonic  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:35:15am

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Beams reveal Archimedes' hidden writings

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Previously hidden writings of the ancient Greek mathematician Archimedes are being uncovered with powerful X-ray beams nearly 800 years after a Christian monk scrubbed off the text and wrote over it with prayers.

Over the past week, researchers at Stanford University's Linear Accelerator Center in Menlo Park have been using X-rays to decipher a fragile 10th century manuscript that contains the only copies of some of Archimedes' most important works.

The X-rays, generated by a particle accelerator, cause tiny amounts of iron left by the original ink to glow without harming the delicate goatskin parchment.

It takes about 12 hours to scan one page using an X-ray beam about the size of a human hair, and researchers expect to decipher up to 15 pages that resisted modern imaging techniques. After each new page is decoded, it is posted online for the public to see.

632 Tim V  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:35:34am

I believe that a good chunk of the democratic party,say about 1/3 represents the "enemy within".These are folks that thinks the USA is imperialistic and the bad guy,that the UN is a good thing,etc,etc.They do not really realize the dangers of radical islam.They attack the Christian right as the american taliban.Folks like the koz kids,etc.Am I off base or do you guys agree with me ?

633 ibrodsky  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:35:46am

I'm on vacation (heading for Mount Rushmore!) and my notebook battery needs recharging.

Later...

634 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:37:53am

Tim
I agree completely.

635 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:38:48am

#628 MigueldowninMexico - no, you don't come across as mean hearted - what has to be has to be; THEY chose the path of violent "street" demonstrations, not you. I just pray you and yours stay ok and that Mexico cleans up the mess the Commies have tried to make of her really soon.
If I don't speak atcha before hand, I'm looking forward to it once I get on the net again!
Vaya con Dios, Amigo!

636 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:40:03am

ibrodsky is going to carve Bush's face ;)

637 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:42:11am

Good morning LGF

Today's wakeup call is by Traffic...(no video)...

If you see something that looks like a star
And it's shooting up out of the ground
And your head is spinning from a loud guitar
And you just can't escape from the sound
Don't worry too much, it'll happen to you
We were children once, playing with toys
And the sound that you're hearing is only the sound of
The low spark of high-heeled boys

The percentage you're paying is too high priced
When you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made from your dreams
But today we just read that the man was shot dead
By a gun that didn't make any noise
But it wasn't the bullet that laid him to rest, it was
The low spark of high-heeled boys

If you had just a minute to breathe
And they offered you one final wish
Would you ask for something like another chance?
Or something similar to this?
Don't worry too much, it'll happen to you
As sure as your sadness and sorrows are joys
And the sound that you're hearing is only the sound of
The low spark of high-heeled boys

The percentage you're paying is too high priced
While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made from your dreams
But today we just read that the man was shot dead
By a gun that didn't make any noise
But it wasn't the bullet that laid him to rest, it was
The low spark of high-heeled boys

If I gave you everything that I owned
And asked for nothing in return
Would you do the same for me as I would for you?
Or would you take me for a ride
And strip me of everything including my pride
But spirit is something you can't destroy
And the sound that you're hearing is only the sound
The low spark of high-heeled boys

638 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:42:18am
#627 ibrodsky

Let's see if he offers to give public speeches or perhaps to make a movie that helps the fight.

I would like to see Mel do that. But I think that all the little devils in hell will be ice-skating before it happens. I think old Mel is just like an awful lot of public figures, thinks he is better than all the rest, serious case of god syndrome.

I think that he apologized at all only because he got caught. When the initial apology didn't fly his handlers made sure he apologized a little more abjectly. Is he really sorry? No, I don't think so. I think he has a movie coming out in a few weeks and knows that this is going to affect his box office, just like my nephew knows that failure to pass the math test means no car on Friday night.

639 nonic  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:42:19am

#625 W Lover

Some hoLLLywood actor is an asshole, and now we have to hear about it all week. WHO CARES?

I would absolutely agree with you. That's how I felt last week. That's what I said last week.

But it's the response now that has become the story.

I think it's very sad.

Someone here said something I think was really true last week -- that this is a great opportunity to point out to your children just how dangerous alcoholism, binge drinking, drunk driving, etc. can be -- how you can ruin your career or your life with just one binge.

Incidentally, I want to mention that I think a large part of keep-the-story-going is being done by the media who see it as an opportunity to cast aspersions on Christians -- make out Christianity as the enemy of Jews and as hypocrites in general.

640 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:42:59am

realwest
Muchas gracias for all your nice words ;)
Vaya con Dios usted también.

And on this note, good bye everybody. God bless all the good people in the world.

realwest, I'll be praying for you too. Thanks a lot for praying for Mexico ;)

/Game Over

641 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:49:12am

#632 Tim V

I don't think the percentage is quite that high. I think many voters (frankly, both R and D) are apathetic, don't follow the issues, and just vote for the particular party they've always voted for.

IMO the reason the BDS/Hate America segment appears to constitute such a high percentage of the Dems is that they are the most vocal and get so much attention from a like-minded press, and they therefore are the most visible portion of the Dem party to the public.

642 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:49:54am

#630 and #531 nonic - I'm an alcoholic. Haven't had a drop to drink in over three years (quit long before I got cancer) and I gotta tell ya that alcohol does indeed do some extremely nasty things to ya, but if you really want out of it, you have to accept personal responsiblity for what you do when your drunk. Alcoholism is a disease, as certified as such by the AMA, but its one disease (unlike say, cancer or Parkinson's) that the afflicted can overcome if they decide to do so. But I also have to say that it doesn't change people, it "merely" exacerbates certain personality traits in some people. For his sake and the sake of his family, I hope he can overcome his disease; Lord knows it's hard to do.
As for that Archimedes thing, I read that and posted it somewhere on LGF yesterday and it's just an incredibly exciting find. Even more exciting than finding some previously unknown Monet's or Picasso's or a book by Hemmingway. I'm really looking forward to reading what it actually says as a whole.
AND - how are you today?! Hope you're doing well!

643 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:51:56am

Addendum to my #641 to Tim V

I do agree that they represent an "enemy within." I think they are too stupid to realize what will happen should the American Experiment fail (which I don't believe will happen, btw).

644 Solomon X  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:52:58am

Your children shall now proceed to re-education camp for further instruction.

The kids warble not in English but in a guttural yet soothing Arabic, the language they're learning in a two-week session on the shores of northwestern Minnesota's Leek Lake.

Al-Waha has the usual summer camp activities, from rough-and-tumble sports matches to arts and crafts sessions. But here at the newest of Concordia College's summer language camps, it's all in Arabic, led by bilingual counselors from places like Egypt, Sudan and Lebanon teaching young, mostly American kids about Arabic language and culture.

"They speak everything in Arabic," said William Justin Chittams, a 16-year-old camper from Washington, D.C. "You have to figure out a lot of it from their hand movements and body language. You get better slowly, a little bit each day."

Some of the campers are already eyeing career paths that could benefit from Arabic skills.

Hizbollah career counselors are apparently on hand.

645 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:53:15am

I'm reading up thread, so this is backwards -

#635 realwest to migueldowninmexico - I just pray you and yours stay ok and that Mexico cleans up the mess the Commies have tried to make of her really soon.

I concur with you there. Mexico is such a wonderful country in so many ways - full of joy, wonderful food, gracious people. It would be lovely to see them more stable & in a better way financially.

Ibrodsky - have a blast on vaca!

#630 nonic - In vino veritas absolutely applies. See the link I posted above. The Archimedes writing is very interesting.. thanks for posting that.

#629 realwest - Whoa! Nice tossaway line there "changing homes, daughter's buying a house" and that's IT? Where will you be moving to and when and how do ya feel about it?!

We're not moving very far realwest. I am excited for her - she has worked SO hard for this for years (single mother) and the house is a fantastic buy. Right now the financing is still coming together...but she has given our notice here. I'm just praying that things work out. She would be devastated if it fell through - and we would have to go camping till another rental could be found.

646 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:53:18am

nonic-

I'm just sick of hoLLLywood elitists thinking their opinion on anything is worth 2 cents, you know? At the end of the day, what they think just doesn't matter...like in Meatballs-

It just doesn't matter!
It just doesn't matter!
It just doesn't matter!

647 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:55:05am

#637 TotallySirius - hey hi Guy! How's it going today? Traffic - just waaay cool. John Barleycorn is maybe one of my top 20 albums of all time for the musicianship.
Didja know that CSN slogged out to Steve Winwoods house in England to try to get him on keyboards, vocals and writing with them to replace Neil Young.
He unfortunately said know, but that would've been one hell of a "supergroup" (and if they couldv'e kept their respective and collective egos in check, CSNY and Woodward would have been like the definitive supergroup for me!

How are ya this morning? How's that project of yours coming along?

648 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:55:42am

#642 rw

The Archimedes thing is incredibly interesting.

Archimedes contributed more to the world with just one of his ideas than Hemmingway,Picasso and Monet added together.

649 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:56:01am

PIMF "No" not "know".
sigh, need more coffee!

650 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:59:03am

#641 christheprofessor - Morning Chris! How are ya this fine morning? Still got care of the nephews?
I happen to agree with your post 100% and can't add anything of value to it.

651 Tim V  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:59:31am

just a test to see if the url thing works now...

652 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:59:44am

Totally-

Are you taking requests?

653 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 2:59:57am

John Barleycorn Must Die.

Beck,Bogert and Appice

Johnny and Edgar Winter-They only come out at night.

3 albums that should be in every rock and roller's collection.

654 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:00:59am

Make that four albums...

Amboy Dukes-Tooth,Fang and Claw

655 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:01:34am

#650 realwest

Good morning. I'm fine, thanks, y tu? Took my nephews back home yesterday, so I'm enjoying a quiet weekend after a hectic week. The Best Dog in the World™ is curled up and asleep on the couch beside me, and I'm about to make a half-pot of coffee, so it's just the way I like it...

656 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:01:48am

#645 galloping granny - I'm sure the financing will come together and am very happy for you and your daughter and grandchildren (child?!). Don't get that camping gear out yet - as my Mom says to me (frequently)" don't go borrowing trouble". I'm sure things will work out just fine.

657 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:01:54am

#652 W-luv

Totally!

658 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:03:04am

TS-

I could go for some old U2...real old.

659 nonic  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:05:13am

#642 realwest

Re the Archimedes thing. Sorry, didn't see your post. Haven't been around much lately. It really is, like wow, isn't it? :-)

Re your own experience with alcoholism. God bless you, man. I mean that from the heart.

Re a binge "changing" somebody... I don't know. I've seen it in two very close relatives. I KNOW that the behavior that can come out is not really their character. Especially when it involves a black-out. But maybe that's not true for everyone.

I would imagine there's a whole range of ways the substance can affect different people. I don't know.

Re Gibson's prognosis, as I would for anyone, I hope he can beat the disease.

Someone I love (who's been 100% sober now for 3 months) (fingers crossed) told me that AA taught him that some people can't stop till they hit bottom. And bottom is when you want to die, because you realize you can't live with booze (because of what happens during binges) and you can't live without it.

Maybe this will do it for Gibson.

660 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:05:31am

#654 TotallySirius - make that 5 - CSN&Y's Four Way Street! Did you see my #647?

661 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:05:56am

#656 realwest

From your mouth to G_d's ear!

I have grandchildren but live with only one of them. I'm semi-retired, daughter is single career mother, so it works well for both of us - and the kiddo.

663 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:13:09am

Oh I do like Netanyahu. Very sensible man that one. From this am's JPost -

www.jpost.com...] target="_blank">

'If Israel is war criminal, then Churchill is too'

Likud Chairman and Opposition Leader Binyamin Netanyahu defended Israel against the suggestion that it may be committing war crimes, saying "If Israel is guilty of war crimes, then Winston Churchill is the greatest war criminal."

He reminded his CNN interviewer that when Nazi Germany attacked England in World War II, then-prime minister Churchill responded with an "indiscriminant" assault on German cities.

He also downplayed the extent of the Israeli offensive, saying that "it may be many things, but it ain't massive."

664 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:14:06am

#659 nonic - my alcoholism was really in two stages - for the first three years after returning from Vietnam I drank at least a fifth of (very cheap) bourbon every day; not to get high, but to ultimately just "get to sleep" (i.e.,pass out).
30 years later I was in a pattern that involved an awful lot of feelin' sorry for myself and it took some really bad things to happen for me to realize that I can't drink "socially" - if I have one, I guarantee you I'll have a second and if that happens I'll keep drinking until I pass out or die. So I quit. It wasn't easy and the VA was absoutely useless, but I spent an incredibly intense week in a rehab center (read non-police lock up, posing as a hospital!); walked out sober and have been ever since; I just won't take that first drink.
What's amazing to me is how many people seem to get genuinely angry when you won't have "just one" with them. You just have to either be patient, come out and say your an alcoholic or just say "Fuck You, I said no and that's the end of it". The latter is now my first choice response! LOL!

665 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:14:52am
666 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:15:28am

Cripes, the Gibson thing again. Look, folks, he's an actor. He pretends for a living. It's show biz, nothing more. People working as garbage collectors play a more important role in society. If he's an anti-semite, he's a trivial one. If he gets no more work for the rest of his life, he'll have to eak out a meagre existance on the roughly $ 800 million he already has. Why does anybody care about such trivial crapola ?

667 soccerdad  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:17:25am

mike C -- AMEN -

668 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:19:51am

#661 galloping granny - the reason I'm so optimistic for you and your daughter is that the housing (as opposed to rental) markets have softened up significantly over the last couple of months and lenders are usually more lenient these days.
BTW if -God forbid - the lender doesn't come trough or won't loan "enough", see if the seller will take some Purchase Money financing (basically they let you pay part of the sales price over time - usually 10 years, which they secure with a second mortgage on the house your daughter's buying). Real Estate and real estate financing is what I did as an attorney for over 33 years and if you need any assistance or anything e-mail me. And don't worry, I'm retired, all my advice will be for free!

669 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:20:27am

Telling it like it is! Blair might yet prove to be another Churchill -

"Reactionary Islam seized the opportunity, first in Gaza, then in Lebanon ... [knowing] that their terrorism would provoke massive retaliation by Israel. Within days, the world would forget the original provocation and be shocked by the retaliation."

Blair's description of the war, in short, was brilliant and courageous. His insight that the war against Israel is part of the wider war against the West is critical, and something that even President George Bush has not expressed in such coherent terms.

No less importantly, he strongly dismissed the language of grievances: "It is rubbish to suggest that [terrorism] is the product of poverty. ... It is based on religious extremism ... And not any extremism, but a specifically Muslim version."

Worth a read.

670 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:21:26am

AWESOME TS!

671 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:24:41am

#668 realwest -

Thanks. Might take you up on that offer :)

#666 Mike C.

People working as garbage collectors play a more important role in society.

While this may be true, garbage collectors have little influence on public perceptions other than when they go on strike. :)

Mel is important because of the sheep factor. Besides, it is a slow news morning.

672 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:26:43am

#664 {realwest} I'm glad you got it together or we wouldn't have your smiling typing every morning!

673 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:26:50am

#670 W-Lover

AWESOME TS!

Funny the way one's mind-eye play tricks... I saw that post, and in my head I saw it as "AWESOME Ts," and I went "Where!?"

674 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:27:57am

# 669 g g

No, no, no ! Blair's a dhimmie. It's damned-near a tennent of faith amongst some here. Forget that truly Churchilian speech after 9/11 that made W look like an 8th grader in his first Public Speaking class. Forget that commitment paid for in British blood and money in Iraq and Afghanistan. Forget the fact that he's stood on his principles and that his political future is very dim because of that. Trust the "wiser" heads around here - he's a dhimmie.

/hardly necessary

675 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:28:50am

War Analysis- Total War

I have to admit I am absolutely impressed at the extent Iran turned S. Lebanon into one be big rocket spewing fort. They must put billions into Hezbollah in the last five years. They had thousands of diggers on the payroll for years.

Thought 1: Well the mask dropped and Iran admits they are supplying the missiles that are striking Israel.

Thought 2: In the modern world of dependent networks, there are systems you can make redundant, which is why the Internet works and there are networks that rely completely on trust (or US power) for protection. The fleets of jetliners plying the skies between the nations of the world are a transportation network under US protection.

Thought 3: Israel now has a perfectly good reason to sink, or board and capture any tanker leaving Iran (sell the captured oil for reparations). The point is, that once the Iranian tankers get more than a few hundred miles from port, the tiny Iranian Navy can do squat to protect them.

A 500000 ton super tanker is carrying about 6 mm barrels of crude or $420 mil in mullah terror money. Now that is a kick in the nuts. Did I mention that shipping companies will send their ships anyplace other than Iran after the first tanker goes down? That just leaves a few pipelines to blow and Israel, little Israel can bring the Ayatollahs to their knees. Fix the pipeline and we'll bomb it again. Without oil revenue, the Ayatollahs will get to face their people who might ask why so much national treasure was peed down the sewer to murder a few a Jews.

When human beings are not fighting over religion, we usually kill each other over money and economic interests. Total war is fighting every aspect of the enemy, not just the soldiers but their leaders, their economy, everything about them. Hitting the strategic economic strength of the enemy is critical.

Take Iranian oil out of the terror equation and suddenly Syria and Iran are nothings. Killing Jews is a luxury for the evil men who lead Iran, beggar them and their hobbies must stop. Just as Sherman's march to the sea destroyed the ability of the south to make war, once the tankers start sinking, Iran's economy and government will collapse. Wars are won by taking the war to the enemy. Iran has had a free ride in this war; at four hundred mill a pop, three torpedoes can do a billion dollars in damage to Iran. To make sure not to hit "innocent" ships from such fine US allies like the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait the US Navy might even provide some helpful suggestions as to which ships to hit.

Give me one sub; give me one airstrike and I will have these dogs singing the "unconditional surrender" chorus.

A great Karate master once told his students, "Karate is not the art of maiming and killing, it is the art of KILLING and maiming. In war, too, the spectacular destruction of the enemy and their ability to make war are the first ten commandments of the art. As are attacking where the enemy is weak and always hitting in a way that shocks the system.

Iran's oil vulnerabilities can and should be exploited, they cannot protect them. Iran may want to be a global power but they are quite limited in their ability to project their power. They completely rely on the open ocean networks to ship their crude. So long as Israel does not hit the wrong ship, this strategy will work and their is nothing Iran can do about it.

The other day Iran called for a $200 per barrel oil price, I don't think my idea is what they had in mind.

On the ground in Lebanon, Israel is making headway but, the only way to secure Lebanon is to cut off Lebanon from Syria, that means in the end going up the Bekka valley and cutting Tripoli from Syria. Total victory is a way off.

I don't see the diplomatic efforts solving anything; any nation sending their troops into Lebanon is sending them on a suicide mission.

In the south, Gilad's Egyptian vacation is not yet here, but soon. Gilad will come home.

676 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:29:33am

#670 W-luv

Yes,I am.

Oh lord,its hard to humble...

;-)

677 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:29:52am

I love the smell of Righteous Anger in the morning!

678 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:30:00am

Crap

Its hard to be humble...

679 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:31:14am

#672 m {m} Well my typing does tend to the more upbeat side, but there are times when I just rip someone a new asshole. It's life!
How are ya today? Hey I passed 16,000 comments on LGF some time last night! Don't I get a gold star or some chocolate for that?!

680 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:31:20am

Good morning, Lizards!

Here's a great free site:

[Link: www.jonhs.net...]

It has the film that Eisenhower orderd made of the liberation of the concentration camps.

I sat my 14-year-old down and asked if he wanted to see it--he claims to like horror movies. He became very pale and said no. I asked him why not. He said that it's too upsetting (he read Night last year). I told him that I wouldn't make him watch it, but that he needed to understand that today there were people who wanted to destroy the Jews as the Nazis did. He really listened. I hope that he's beginning to understand.

681 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:31:24am

# 671 g g

I'm not a sheep.

682 Roger  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:32:21am

#664 realwest

It is amazing. I've had some start to get ugly and talk smack how they'll pry my jaw open and pour it down. This was at work on a Friday afternoon when they would start drinking. Needless to say there are many ways I don't trust these guys. They are educated too. It has effected the company's class structure.

683 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:33:07am

Crap.

684 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:33:21am

Ok TS, can you find me Tori Amos covering Nirvana...?

685 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:33:28am

#678 TotallySirius - Keep trying brother, ya might just make it!

;>p

687 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:35:00am

#679 realwest

Hey I passed 16,000 comments on LGF some time last night! Don't I get a gold star or some chocolate for that?!

How about a chocolate star? :D

688 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:36:08am

#680 Goddessoftheclassroom
Thanks for that!

689 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:36:17am

{lower case M}!

And Good Morning ctp, Mike C, GotC, realwest, nonic, granny, and all the reat of you fine folk.

690 nonic  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:36:22am

#666 Mike

Hiya, guy.

Basically, I agree with you. The guy is totally unimportant, and being the richest (nearly 1 billion) and probably most powerful actor in Hollywood, he has no right to be "drowning his sorrows" in booze and becoming a public nuisance.

But...

I expressed that "who cares?" attitude to a very dear and long-time Jewish friend last week, and he has been very cool with me since. And you can read about the "official" Jewish response from many orgs.

This is extremely painful for many Jews. I don't believe they can really accept a "who cares?"

Especially not with all the real anti-Semitism shooting around out there these days.

691 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:37:20am

Now this is a genuinely cool piece:

Park Brings Kids, Disabled GIs Together
FORT CAMPBELL, Ky. - The injuries that Staff Sgt. Todd Shaw suffered in Iraq make it difficult for him to play with his three children. His broken spine is reinforced with several rods and pins, he wears a back brace and he finds it hard to walk, particularly stepping up and down.

"Before I left, I used to go hunting and coached soccer for my son's team. Now I can't even pick up my youngest daughter," said Shaw, who serves in the 101st Airborne Division and returned from Iraq in April.

Now, Shaw can play with his children again thanks to a new playground at Fort Campbell, where the 101st is based.

It is designed for both parents and children with disabilities. Called the Boundless Playground, it has swings with harnesses and high backs, wheelchair ramps, shorter slides with side supports and a special rubberized surface both for wheelchairs and people who have trouble walking.

"I can actually walk out to the playground and there are no big steps to hinder me from getting out there and playing with my children," he said.

Lt. Col. Kevin Arata, spokesman for U.S. Army Human Resources, said that with advances in medical care and improved body armor, more soldiers are surviving enemy attacks, but they are coming home with permanent injuries.

Shaw is one of more than 19,000 U.S. soldiers who have been wounded in action in Iraq, according to recent statistics from the Department of Defense, and many are now staying in the military. "Years ago we didn't outwardly support the retention of wounded soldiers, but we've started to embrace the saying, 'Never leave a man behind,'" Arata said.

The playground will serve more than 3,000 people at Fort Campbell. The base is located on the Kentucky-Tennessee line and has one of the largest disabled populations of any military base, said Sharon Fields, director of the base's Exceptional Family Members Program.

Actus Lend Lease helped build and design the playground.
[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

692 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:38:18am

# 675 A G

And then Iran will close the Strait of Hormuz. Not forever, of course, but for a while. And that cuts off the oil from Kuwait, the Magic Kingdom, Qatar, the Emirates and even lowly Bahrain, plus the LNG from Qatar. What then ? Look up just what that is in the world percentage of energy. People should think out these scenarios before wishing them to occur.

694 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:39:48am

P'shaw. Lightweights. With this post, I'm at 18,211...

695 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:40:44am

AWESOME TS!

696 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:41:10am

Looks like my prediction of Sunday for the grim milestone(3,000,000 comments) is going to be really close.

697 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:41:24am

# 686 TS

Wasn't that originally Nitty Gritty Dirt Band ?

698 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:42:23am

#694 ctp

Damn,y'all are some typing fools,I'm only at 9K.

699 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:42:58am

#683 m -Crap is waay too mild and Greg Lemond should STFU and STFD. I can't believe that Landis was checked 8 times during the Tour prior to "the"
sample and was clean. Testosterone, especially synthetic testosterone doesn't work overnight like that.

700 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:43:15am
#681 Mike C.

# 671 g g

I'm not a sheep.

Mike C. I did not say you were a sheep. I said that Mel's antisemitism is important because of the sheep factor.

What I mean by the sheep factor is this: When I was growing up my mother was constantly saying to me "I don't care what Susie's mother lets her do. I am not Susies mother...If all your friends jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you jump too ... I am not raising you to be a sheep and move with the herd. Think for yourself!"

Those of us here, we've all heard that in one form or another and we all think for ourselves. There are millions out there who don't though. They look the same, talk the same, wear the same clothes, --- and parrot the opinion of whomever their "hero" of the minute is. Sheep. Sheep factor.

701 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:44:30am

# 690 nonic

Rockets are falling and killing in Israel every day for weeks. Who gives a rat's patouttie about some drunken actor ? There are somewhat more important fish to fry, if you get my drift.

702 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:44:33am

#697 Mike

Nitty Gritty covered it but it was written by Kenny Loggins.

703 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:45:12am

btw- Kurt was a big fan of Tori's version.

704 Roger  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:46:54am

#692 Mike C.

A nuclear Iran will be easier?

705 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:47:53am

Americans: please talk to your countrymen about slagging your nation in other countries!

This is a tough weekend for me. A retired couple (in-law relations) from Ottawa are staying with us. The husband is pretty laid-back, but the wife is a member of the "Raging Grannies", a sort of Code Pink for the blue rinse set.

This morning at breakfast she could only hold back half-way through the grapefruit before announcing that the US is the worst country on earth, led by a mad-man, etc. In as polite a manner as possible I begged to differ (they are guests in my home, after all). The problem was this: she immedialtely began a long story about how virtually all of the Americans on her tour bus last week agreed with her on the utter depravity of GWB. I suspect that in reality maybe 25% of the US oldersers agreed, but that they monopolized the bus-chat and intimidated the decent US geezers.

The bottom line is that every time an American comes to Canada (or elsewhere) and slags their own country Chomsky-style it makes it exceedinlgy difficult for people like me to change minds. When Canadian leftists can claim "but even Americans themselves know they are evil!" it can be difficult (though hardly impossible) to refute.

It isn't easy taking on political opponents in the "real world". I often wonder how many of us who write strong opinions on the anonymous web either clam up or blow up when provided with an opportunity to change a left-wing mind in the real world. It is not an easy thing to keep your cool, but my experience is that this is the only way to effectively change minds (among reasonably rational people; I'm not talking about Islamists or Leftist Fascists; I'm talking about the typical goofy moonbat).

So... please encourage your leftist friends and neighbors to at least refrain from publicly denouncing their country while abroad. Canadians don't do it. Australians don't do it. British don't do it (much). Nor should Americans. You live in the best country on earth. Make sure your leftoids know that.

706 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:48:14am

nonic

The closest (and yet it falls FAR short) analogy I can make to understand the feelings of Jews regarding Gibson's drunken tirade is how prickly I feel when people put down public schools.

I know they're not attacking me personally, but I feel insulted, even though I know there are so many problems that need to be addressed.

Now I imagine being a member of a group that was targeted for genocide and is still a prime target among a huge group of people. Then I hear of a famous actor spewing disgusting, hateful comments. It would be very hard to overlook.

The two mitigating factors I can see--and again, this is so personal that I don't blame any Jew for not accepting them--is that Gibson was drunk, angry, and I would imagine, embarrassed and ashamed of himself, so he lashed out at the arresting officer, who was Jewish. It is not the same as if he made them in an interview or even secretly recorded talking to friends.

The second factor is what I think was Gibson's sincere apology and acceptance of his behavior; plus he's getting help.

These two factors would go a long way to ease the hurt and help me to move towards forgivemenss rather than vindictiveness. I admit I have a hard time forgiving those who don't apologize or even acknowledge that their behavior was wrong, but I readily do when there is true contrition.

707 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:49:49am

BBIW!

708 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:49:57am

#698 TS

It's because I'm more of a social poster than a deep-topic (so to speak) poster. People here know so much more about things we typically discuss than I that I just learn and soak it up... And did I mention that I need to get a life?

710 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:50:42am

#680 Goddessoftheclassroom

It has the film that Eisenhower orderd made of the liberation of the concentration camps.

Thanks for that. I watched this many years ago, but someday soon I need to teach the kiddo about the this. And my daughter the history teacher will be grateful for the link too I'm sure. Powerful stuff.

Teaching the kids is tough, isn't it?

711 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:51:06am

# 700 g g

People who think that what some show-biz type thinks are the sheep. There's a real world out there, and it ain't located in Hollywood. I don't give a rat's ass what Gibson said or whether Landis did something against the sport/show biz rules. Bombs are falling, people are dying, and there's vastly more important matters to attend to. I can find much more important news in the Journal of Paleontolgy.

712 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:51:24am

An open letter to Mel Gibson

Dear Mr. Gibson,

The road to forgiveness is paved with good deeds.

If you want to some suggestions for a road ahead for you that will, perhaps find you the forgiveness you claim you seek, here are some:

1. Educate yourself on the Holocaust. The Holocaust is the central fact of the modern Jewish world, it is only been sixty years since it ended. I would suggest you spend a couple of days viewing the recorded testimonies that the Spielberg Foundation has archived. Then I suggest you visit the recently opened German Archives with a qualified scholar. Since money is no object to you, I would recommend you work with someone eminent in the field, Deborah Lipstadt or Daniel Goldhagen. from there your journey should go to Israel. I want you to visit the Christian sites there, because if your forgiveness is not structured in your faith, it will be worthless but I do ask that you note one thing: Israel, the Jewish state, permits worshipers of all faiths to visit their Holy sites.

From there your road leads you to Yad Vashem, there I want you to view the archive of the names of the known victims of the holocaust. You cannot be forgiven until you know what you have done. Then you need to meet with some actual survivors and hear their stories first hand. You don't have to go to Israel's north to view the war but at this point you will finally understand what the current war is all about, who started it and why.

After that, forgiveness is what you make of your life.

And bring your dad, he needs the education more than you do.

AG

713 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:52:09am

#710 galloping granny

"Teaching the kids is tough, isn't it?'

But there's nothing that I'd rather do. It's a calling and a sacred trust that I take very seriously.

714 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:52:09am

#705 Pro-Bush Canuck

If I met up with someone who would say that, don't worry... I would certainly tell them off.

Fortunately, I don't really meet those people in my day to day life. Even my very liberal gay friend has a big "America Rocks" glitter graphic on his myspace :D

715 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:52:35am

# 702 T S

Mea culpa.

716 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:52:50am

#708 ctp

I hear ya

If it weren't for my lyric posts,I'd probably only have about 2-3K posts.

717 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:52:50am

GOOOD MORRRNIN" LGF!

718 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:56:08am

#705 Pro-Bush Canuck

You are so right.

It's bad enough when I'm the guest and my host starts trashing the president. I say nothing out of politeness and say, "Oh, let's not discuss politics.)

But if a guest in my own home started to trash not just the president but the whole country, there would be a definite edge to my voice as I said it.

My sister-in-law is an English moonbat. She would trash America to her parents (my in-laws). My f-i-l actually said to her that if she didn't stop, he was leaving her house--and he's English, too!

I love my in-laws.

719 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:56:12am

#715 Mike

Common mistake.

The same is true about Danny's Song,Loggins wrote it but it's most famous cover was by Anne Murray.

720 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:57:43am

Loggins and Messina don't get much respect.

A lot of people think Poison wrote "Your Mama Don't Dance" also.

721 RedPepper  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:57:51am

Congressman John Murtha's opponent this election:

[Link: www.irey.com...]

FYI.

722 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 3:59:11am

A lot of people think "Twist and Shout" is a Tiffany song...

723 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:00:02am

ok, TS. Last request from Dubs-

Beck, Hell Yes, dancing robots version...

724 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:00:05am

#717 BabbaZee

Thanks Babba! But where are we going to throw our panties?

:D

/isn't that what you are supposed to do when you see Tom Jones singing? That's what my grandma told me! :D She has Tom Jones' autograph~ I never asked how she got it :}

725 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:01:15am

# 704 Roger

Did I say that ? I've addressed this before, several times. I'm not saying such an eventuality may not come to pass, or even that it may not be a good thing in the long run and vitally necessary. But I wish to whatever that people would get an f'ing grip and confront head-on exactly what it is that they are wishing for, and what the consequences would be. Stumbling blindly into a situation is not exactly a decent doctrine, IMHO. A little thought and analysis might just be in order, and I see all too little of that these days. If you have to make a move and take a hit, so be it. But at least understand what that means before committing. That's not advanced anything, just common sense.

726 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:01:56am
#705 Pro-Bush Canuck

Americans: please talk to your countrymen about slagging your nation in other countries!

I hear what you're saying. I had a knock-down drag out war with a friend from the UK who is very anti-Bush and let it extend to anti-everything-American in our home. He got over it but...

And then there is my Dad. He is not a leftist. He is not senile or close to it, even though he is 85. However, he was a Navy pilot during WWII, flew the same planes that Bush1 did. When the story about Bush1's "heroism" came out about the time of GulfWI, he went absolutely ballistic, downright rabid - and he has never gotten over it yet.

According to Dad, there are a whole lot of things wrong with that tale. So, from the get-go Bush 2 is first and foremost his father's son. Dad is a liar, so the son must be too. Every single thing the current government does is absolute anathema in Dad's eyes - except the increasing of VA and active duty $$ and benefits. Somehow he fails to connect that to Bush 2.

727 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:04:57am

#726 galloping granny

I'm curious -- what does your father say is wrong with the story of B1's WW2 service?

728 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:05:44am

Here's my last lyric post of the morning,by the Eagles...

On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair
Warm smell of colitas, rising up through the air
Up ahead in the distance, I saw a shimmering light
My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim
I had to stop for the night
There she stood in the doorway;
I heard the mission bell
And I was thinking to myself,
’this could be heaven or this could be hell’
Then she lit up a candle and she showed me the way
There were voices down the corridor,
I thought I heard them say...

Welcome to the hotel california
Such a lovely place
Such a lovely face
Plenty of room at the hotel california
Any time of year, you can find it here

Her mind is tiffany-twisted, she got the mercedes bends
She got a lot of pretty, pretty boys, that she calls friends
How they dance in the courtyard, sweet summer sweat.
Some dance to remember, some dance to forget

So I called up the captain,
’please bring me my wine’
He said, ’we haven’t had that spirit here since nineteen sixty nine’
And still those voices are calling from far away,
Wake you up in the middle of the night
Just to hear them say...

Welcome to the hotel california
Such a lovely place
Such a lovely face
They livin’ it up at the hotel california
What a nice surprise, bring your alibis

Mirrors on the ceiling,
The pink champagne on ice
And she said ’we are all just prisoners here, of our own device’
And in the master’s chambers,
They gathered for the feast
The stab it with their steely knives,
But they just can’t kill the beast

Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
’relax,’ said the night man,
We are programmed to receive.
You can checkout any time you like,
But you can never leave!

729 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:06:38am

#727 ctp~

You took the words right out of my fingers!

730 Roger  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:07:31am

#725 Mike C.

True. But it looks to me like the ones in power care more about the streets of Bagdad than the security of the US and our future. What do we know about the streets of Iran? Are the people really behind the mullahs? Some big/small percentage? We can't wait forever while people analyze, reanalyze, wring their hands, analyze again and again. And while imamms and mullahs get a free pass; they have a huge advantage.

731 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:09:02am

#729 {m}

I'm tychic...

732 windybon  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:09:42am

On FNC, I see Jeff Goldblatt is wearing a helmet this morning. I watched Jeff report through yesterday's barrage, reporting without a helmet, and I thought then he probably should have one. I must say I admired Jeff's calmness yesterday in his reporting, not knowing where those rockets would land.

733 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:10:38am

{christheprofessor}~ ain'tcha though?

734 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:10:55am

#724 m
LOL!
I took Mr. Babba to see him live
about 10 years ago
he said
DAMN he's so good I'm about ready to throw MY drawers at him, LOL!

yes they used to throw their panties and bras at him, and he has the cheesy rep...

but IMO he haas one of the most amazing singing voices EVER

735 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:12:30am
#713 Goddessoftheclassroom

#710 galloping granny

"Teaching the kids is tough, isn't it?'

But there's nothing that I'd rather do. It's a calling and a sacred trust that I take very seriously.

My mother - a teacher in her later years - always said that teachers were born, not made. I agree. There is nothing I love to do more than teach, though I especially love teaching science to grown women who think "girls don't do science." They are always so surprised to see how much real science they've learned in their own kitchens.

What I meant about tough though is specifically the Holocaust. How early is too early to begin? How late is too late? How much info is too much (Night) and how much just isn't enough (Number the Stars.) All questions I am actively seeking an answer to.

The kiddo's paternal side is Jewish, though they are adamant that they are not religious and will not teach her anything. They will not even mention the grandmother that died at Stalingrad, the grandfather that is buried in Israel.

The last time I checked, half was good enough for Hitler...and history always repeats. This particular question has bothered me for years - what to teach the children when - and I guess I especially feel the weight of it because I am left to teach a heritage that rightfully should come at least in part from them.

736 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:12:45am

#692 Mike C

I fully weighed that into my calculations:

If Iran tries to close the straits, the entire world takes them on right now- they have no right to interfere with peaceful shipping.

They are going to say: "Israel attacked us so we have to block everyone's shipping." No one will buy that. Especially when they alrady are on the outs with the internation community over their nuclear program.

They know this; if they want to commit petro-gottdammerung, the world community will come down on their heads like ten tons of bricks.

If they do it they lose and if they don't they lose. It gives them only one choice, back down.

For precisely the reasons for Israel to squeeze them,

737 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:14:22am
738 Carridine  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:15:39am

#705- Canuck: Concur Yr Analysis: Courteous, but strong and principled. No name-calling, and try to find items to agree on, and challenge what you can... or ASK what they'll accept as PROOF of a reality contrary to their assertions...

739 Middle-Earth  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:15:48am

It looks like Nasrallah is getting more and more desperate.

Aug. 5, 2006 13:41
6 mortar shells launched at Israel, land in Syria

Six mortar shells that were fired from Lebanon on Saturday cleared the Golan Heights and landed in Syrian territory.

The IDF assessed that the launch, the second that landed in Syria in the past 24 hours, was meant to encourage Damascus to join the fight against Israel.

yalla ya Nasrallah
we will screw you inshallah

we will send you back to allah,
with all the hezbollah

yalla ya Nasrallah
go away ya garbage

it's allready been sentenced from above
that this is your end.

740 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:16:03am

AWESOME TS!

It's really not for me- it's for Bender...

:D

741 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:16:36am
#727 christheprofessor

#726 galloping granny

I'm curious -- what does your father say is wrong with the story of B1's WW2 service?

Specifically the story of the crash that led to his medal. It has been some years so I do not remember all the details - and don't want to get him started agains, LOL, but he was absolutely LIVID. Said every procedure had been violated, the crew members had been left to die - and much more. LIVID. So much so that he has immediately dismissed out of hand every single thing that any Bush anywhere has done or said.

742 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:17:17am

#735 galloping granny

In our district students read age-appropriate books such as "Daniel's Story" and "Number the Stars" in grades 5 or 6. The basic facts of the existence of the camps is presented. The more detailed information is part of the 8th grade curriculum, where they read "Night." I recommend that my students watch "Schindler's List" on their own, with their parents' permission.

IMHO, it has to be taught before high school.

743 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:17:43am

yalla ya Nasrallah

[BLINK]

[yep-I'm dancing like a spaz right now]

744 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:19:13am

If I had one of those robots, I would name it Bender.

745 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:19:15am

#741 gg

Thanks...

746 DistantThunder  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:20:00am

My sister in law is an unrepentant feminist. She is also watching our children for a week or so - out of state.


She told one of them, "I'm not allowed to talk politics with you, or share my views."

Darn right...

747 Carridine  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:20:17am

#742: Goddess, roger that. LONG before the classroom, and in addition to other supportive learnings in the home!

748 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:20:35am

#744 W-luv

I' be awefully tempted to name it "Shover"

749 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:21:50am

My favorite clip -
Kick ass Dublin Klezmer Zionists!

750 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:22:06am

# 730 Roger

It isn't the "streets of Iran" that will close the Strait of Hormuz. It's the current leadership that controls the military. What will happen after that will happen. I am most certainly not a reliable predictor of future events. All I'm saying is that we should honor that old Chinese proverb to be careful what we wish for, because we just might get it.

751 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:22:35am

#680 Goddessoftheclassroom
#726 galloping granny

In forming my "moonbat rescue" strategy I've come to understand that many left-wingers are basically decent people who are in the grip of some pretty untenable ideas which are reinforced by the media and academia. In talking to them it is pointless to get into a screaming match. I usually try to find some little bit of common ground that we can agree on. In Canada with older people that often means invoking the Canada of the WWII era, at least in terms of our national resolve, courage, sacrifice, etc. Few leftists will trash the legacy of WWII vets, and those who will are quite frankly hopeless and should be left to babble to themselves on the margins of society. Another common thread can be mutual faith in Jesus Christ, which I share with my current left-wing house-guest.

Whatever it is, I have found that once you establish that common ground it is possible to gradually widen the scope of discourse (in an almost Socratic fashion) in order to allow the leftist to gradually see the spurious nature of shibboleths to which they cling.

Many can be won over that way. On the other hand, when I see screaming pro-Hezbollah mobs in the streets I would abjure from rational discourse and suggest instead that we should be forming much larger mobs, surrounding the enemy, and shouting them down in no uncertain terms. I think we all--Americans and other Westerners--fail to sufficiently register our disapproval with these people in public. Generally there are a few brave Jews who set up a counter-protest. Each Jew should be accompanies by fifty of us.

752 tigger2005  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:22:50am

# 705 Pro-Bush Canuck

If someone says "But Americans denounce their own country too!" I would just say, "Yeah, and they're still breathing and walking around free as the wind, saying whatever they want aren't they? Wouldn't you agree that this makes the U.S. at least a tiny bit better than countries where just speaking your mind can get you imprisoned, tortured, or killed? Do you really think all the people in Iran, North Korea, Cuba, or China are happy with their governments? See, what happens when they protest is that they get gunned down or thrown in jail. Ever heard of Tiananmen Square?"

753 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:23:06am

amn,my keyboar esperately needdds a goo cleaning,my "DDD" key is sticking

:-P

754 Just_A_Grunt  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:24:49am

Wife of one of the kiidnapped Israeli soldiers on Fox news right now.

755 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:25:34am

TS-

LOL "Shover".

Obviously, I'd have to program my Bender to say "Bite my shiny metal ass".

756 Middle-Earth  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:25:41am

And for those of you that don't want to sign up on youtube, you can watch yalla ya Nasrallah on jewlicious

;)

757 Carridine  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:26:59am

#752- Tigger: Well said! True, too... perfect retort...

758 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:28:28am
#751 Pro-Bush Canuck

On the other hand, when I see screaming pro-Hezbollah mobs in the streets I would abjure from rational discourse and suggest instead that we should be forming much larger mobs, surrounding the enemy, and shouting them down in no uncertain terms. I think we all--Americans and other Westerners--fail to sufficiently register our disapproval with these people in public. Generally there are a few brave Jews who set up a counter-protest. Each Jew should be accompanies by fifty of us.

I could not possibly agree with you more. Sometimes those that make the most noise win. It was that noise in the streets of the US that lost the Vietnam war, not anything that happened in Vietnam.

If we don't shout back I'm afraid we're all in very grave danger - we'll wake up some fine morning and find that we live in Taliban country.

759 sugiero  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:29:03am

Hi everybody!
VIDEO: Arabs and Muslims In America Support Hezbollah
Hezbollah have killed more people prior to 9/11 than Al-Qaeda...

760 Mike C.  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:29:39am

# 736 A G

Well, I think a large part of the international community would rather kiss Iranian butt rather than take military action, but no matter. Iran cannot close the Strait of Hormuz for very long. Maybe only a month or two. Think about what that means.

761 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:31:30am

BabbaZee, Windybn, Goddess, tigger2005, Dubs, Roger,
Carradine and anyone else I've missed - I leave for 15 crappy minutes and we're still talking about Mel Gibson? Jeebus.

Hey TotallySirius - ya can't leave us with the Eagles, man - give us oldsters some Bob Seegar's Old Time Rock and Roll to,ya know, get our pulse rate up over 3!

762 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:33:42am

761 realwest

I know TS is gonna give you one, but I wanted to sneak this one in...

763 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:34:24am

BREAKING -


Saudi religious leader blasts Hizbullah

A top Saudi Sunni cleric, whose ideas inspired Osama bin Laden, issued a religious edict Saturday disavowing the Shi'ite guerrilla group Hizbullah, evidence that a rift remained among Muslims over the fighting in Lebanon.

Hizbullah, which translates as "the party of God," is actually "the party of the devil," said Sheik Safar al-Hawali, whose radical views made the al-Qaida leader one of his followers in the past.

"Don't pray for Hizbullah," he said in the fatwa posted on his Web site.

764 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:34:50am

#708 christheprofessor - "And did I mention that I need to get a life?" Why no, no you haven't. Others have though, so don't worry, we got ya covered! LOL!

;>)

765 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:35:38am

TS--I know Don Henley released some solo songs, but wasn't there another member of the Eagles who did as well? It's driving me nuts that I can't think of his name.

766 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:40:12am

Glenn Frey and Randy Meisner both did solo work and did a lot of collaboration with performers like Linda Ronstadt,Bob Seager and J.D. Souther.

767 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:40:17am

#762 {m} - ROTFLMAO! Thanks a lot! Now there's a kid who's being brought up right!
:D

768 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:40:34am

Real,
LOL
yea, enough already with the frikkin'
Mella-palooza~

769 nonic  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:40:49am

#701 Mike

My dear, I absolutely agree with you. But I am saying there are some (a lot of?) Jewish people, like my friend, who do not.

Because my friend is so hurt by this, I cannot say, unreservedly, "who cares?"

770 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:41:10am

GLENN FREY! That's the guy I've been going nuts trying to think of. Thanks so mcuh.

771 Spiny Norman  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:41:21am

#765 Goddessoftheclassroom

Joe Walsh?

772 Spiny Norman  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:41:54am

nevermind

773 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:43:01am

Spiny Norman

Oh, thanks though!

774 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:43:45am

"Hezbollah's Nazi roots"

[Link: www.canada.com...]

775 DistantThunder  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:44:38am

What happened to The Diary of Anne Frank? That is my favorite book.

776 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:44:46am
777 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:45:11am
778 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:45:21am

For W-Lover

779 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:47:02am

#775 DistantThunder

"The Diary of Anne Frank" is taught in 9th grade; "The Hiding Place" is taught in 11th grade.

780 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:49:13am

From more than 20 years ago:

Debate: Rabbi Meir Kahane Vs. Ehud Olmert

781 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:49:56am

As some of you may know, Maryland is running an election between the Republican incumbent Governor, and the current Mayor for the position of governor.

Our neighborhood is very trendy, with more Volvo's than Fords parked there. Last election, ours was the only Bush yard sign for several blocks.
When it comes to politicing, the Republican machine pretty much writes our area off as a given for the Democrats.
This week my wife put up our Republican yard sign, again the only one for blocks.
Last night, several of our more distant neighbors were walking about after the heat wave broke, and struck up conversations with us.

Turns out that one of our neighbors is a former Bubblehead, now working in the defense industry.
He has several other friends in the neighborhood who are former military/Defense Industry who want signs.

Thanks for letting me share this small bit of trivea with you all.
It starts with small steps.

782 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:51:28am
#775 DistantThunder

What happened to The Diary of Anne Frank? That is my favorite book.

One of mine too. And the book that turned my daughter the historian into both a reader and a historian. She found it in her sister's room the year she was 11. First "big" book she ever read - straight through without a meal or a drink. I don't know why today's public schools don't use it. It's much more in depth than Number the Stars (we did that one last year) and wonderfully age appropriate for 12-14 year olds.

Night is a remarkable book, but I have to tell you that even though I have seen pictures of the Holocaust for about as long as I've been alive, was reading Life reports on the issue by 4 and have read much of what has been printed in English over the last 50 years, I have a tough time with Night. I'm not at all sure it is appropriate for eighth grade students. FAR too graphic.

783 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:52:49am

AWESOME {BABBA}!

784 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:54:01am

#781 Village Idiot's Apprentice - Morning to ya! How are you this fine day? And while I agree with you that "It starts with small steps.", why do I feeling like we ought to at least be double-timing?

785 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:54:07am

the "3 former terrorists"

786 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:55:25am

{samwise}

787 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:58:29am

Little Feat - Rock and Roll Doctor (from '75, with Lowell George)

788 annelid[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:59:16am
789 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 4:59:36am

Islamic Thinkers Society in NYC

790 windybon  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:01:15am

"Hezb caught in ‘quagmire’" By Ahmed Al-Jarallah
Editor-in-Chief, the Arab Times.

In what he calls “Beyond Haifa,” Nasrallah says his fighters will begin rocket attacks deeper into Israel, south of Haifa. We wonder if Nasrallah took any time to review his achievements in the first phase of the war against the enemy before thinking about the next. So far his only achievements have been causing the destruction of Lebanon’s infrastructure and killing of innocent Lebanese. If he begins the second phase the only result will be wiping out of whatever remains of Lebanon’s infrastructure and killing of the rest of the Lebanese.

Dictatorial decisions taken by a single man like Nasrallah, who gets instructions from foreign countries, will always lead to sorrow. . . .

via Instapundit

791 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:02:11am

Holy shit! That Rock-n-Roll Doctor vid was just added yesterday, and I'm only the second person to view it!

Lowell is awesome on the slide...

792 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:02:41am

realwest

Doing well

And while I agree with you that "It starts with small steps.", why do I feeling like we ought to at least be double-timing?

I would love to see a faster pace here.
But, we just voted in a Republican Governor after I forget how many years of being in the wilderness.
He is facing the BGE utility rate crap where the Dem's promised to freeze rates for six years. Of course the six years expired in the middle of his term.

As an aside, I stumbled across the local newspapers blog/board the other day.
Much to my surprise, there is much more city based Republican support on the boards than I thought.

I even found a LLL posting that she thought that the Governor had ordered the Police helo's to fly over the more affluent, liberal neighborhoods to drive the property values down.
The other posters there cut her to shreds.

793 guinsPen  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:03:30am
794 RedPepper  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:04:05am

735,782 gg: Teach them young.

My brother wrote his HS English term paper on the Holocaust. He was 17. I was 12. I read every book he read for that project, including Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Some of it was rough (very graphic); but almost 50 years later, I have never forgotten.

795 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:04:44am

#790 windybon - from your link: "Nasrallah’s dictatorship will sink like those of Saddam Hussein and other regimes, which did not know their true ability. Egyptians suffered under the dictatorship of the late Gamal Abdul Nasser who led them to war in 1967. The late Egyptian President believed Arab power can defeat Israel. However, the result was different as Arabs were handed out a humiliating defeat. Nasrallah, who is being remote-controlled by Iran and Syria, believes he is in the mold of many Arab leaders. But the fact is he is playing with fire."

796 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:07:14am

I know this is old news, but...

Israeli commandos raid Tyre

TYRE, Lebanon (CNN) -- Israeli jets, helicopters and naval commandos Saturday attacked targets in the southern Lebanese city of Tyre in an operation aimed at quelling Hezbollah rocket launches.

The attack was aimed at the unit responsible for Hezbollah's rocket attack on Hadera, Israel, on Friday, The Associated Press reported.

797 DesertSage  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:08:36am

#795 realwest

Dont kill the terrorists!
You'll just create more of them!

OK, I'm just being sarcastic...

798 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:09:20am

#792 Village Idiot's Apprentice - glad to hear you're doing well.
"I even found a LLL posting that she thought that the Governor had ordered the Police helo's to fly over the more affluent, liberal neighborhoods to drive the property values down."

Did she perchance indicate WHY the Govenor would want to drive down property values? Don't you folks have to pay property taxes to support things she no doubts holds near and dear to her heart?!

799 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:09:45am
#784 realwest
And while I agree with you that "It starts with small steps.", why do I feeling like we ought to at least be double-timing?

Maybe we are realwest. The daughter that I live with and I have had an agreement to disagree politically for many years. She is brilliant - went Ivy at barely 16 - and hard working, a great mother. We agree on child raising, education & women's rights. That's all. She has seemed to me to be a leftie while she has called me a right wing nut a couple of times. Until I discovered last week that she and all of her friends agree with ME about this current war, about islam, about the need to win this. She actually sent me a picture of Green Helmet someone sent to michelle malkin at the wrong email address (her's is very similar to michelle's and she often gets her mail LOL).

And yesterday she called the demonstrators in Boston kooks that are always out demonstrating for anything - nobody pays any attention.

There are little pink pigs flying in our house these days.

800 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:09:58am

Morning all, Hizbullah has to watch its front, back, sides, and rear, as Israel keeps increasing the pressure. Earlier this week, Israeli commandos went after Baalbek. Now, they invaded Tyre. No part of Lebanon is safe for Hizbullah.

And even the Saudi clerics are back at their Sunni v. Shi'a best - calling Hizbullah not the party of god, but the party of the devil.

Gee, when they put it that way, it almost sounds like a glimpse of the truth.

Anyhow, my morning roundup is up.

Oh, and has anyone seen Fidel or Raul Castro. I'm getting worried. Someone ought to check up on them. They're both senior citizens and this weather can be a bear, especially if they have preexisting medical conditions, have access to poor medical care, and have a country that loves them so. /snicker

801 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:11:49am

#797 DesertSage - Hey, Hi ya Sage! Good to see you on the boards so early!

"Dont kill the terrorists!
You'll just create more of them!" I know you were being sarcastic, but if you killed ALL the fricking
terrorists, they won't be able to create any more!

802 Thanos  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:12:21am

While starting today's WW III update I got off on a philosophical sidetrack, I would be interested in any comments.

In Afghanistan the Taleban forces continue to get crushed, and since opium season will soon be over expect that fighting to subside quite a bit over the next months. The Taleban are now relegated to attacking isolated police stations, suicide bombings, and attacks on girl’s schools, as the Nato forces are doing very well.

The hardline fundamentalist Taleban are daunted by women who are educated, which demonstrates the basic weakness of Islamic faith: Free will versus Allah’s will. Any faith in which adherent’s must be coerced to believe and in which adherents must not know reality has an underlying weakness that makes it dirt beneath one’s feet. You can see other signs in the Islamist war on soccer, in Baghdad, Somalia, and Iran. If soccer is stronger than your faith, then your faith is weak indeed.

With this fundamental flaw Islam will eventually die, whether in 200 years or a 1000 unless Islamic scholars come to grips and solve this paradox via reformation. Any faith which denies human nature and reality will crumble over time, and perhaps all of the trouble we are seeing now is because of that recognition by old hard-liner fundamentalists. And if Islam dies over time, is it not Allah’s will? If these fundamentalists truly follow the will of Allah, then by actively interfering with what is happening in the world they interfer with the will of Allah it would seem. If in north Pakistan there are soon to be none but mullahs, Imams, and women left, then who will the Imams teach, and what will they teach?

803 Geepers  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:14:11am

Village Idiot's Apprentice (#796),

And in response, Lebanon bombed Syria:

Six mortar shells that were fired from Lebanon on Saturday cleared the Golan Heights and landed in Syrian territory.

The IDF assessed that the launch, the second that landed in Syria in the past 24 hours, was meant to encourage Damascus to join the fight against Israel.

804 badger1970  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:14:24am

So Greg LeMond is actually a putz? Who'd a thunk. What really is his issue? First he tells Lance to come clean now he goes after Floyd. He's more fwench then American.

805 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:16:26am

#799 galloping granny - Hey congratulations on your daughter's realizations!
Not saying it's true for your daughter, but ya know sometimes having to get a job and work your ass off to own your own home tends to get in the way of idealism.
I know your daughter is a single mom and has been working her butt off, but sometimes things take time.

806 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:18:12am
#794 RedPepper

735,782 gg: Teach them young.

My brother wrote his HS English term paper on the Holocaust. He was 17. I was 12. I read every book he read for that project, including Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Some of it was rough (very graphic); but almost 50 years later, I have never forgotten.

I agree. And we're working on it. The kiddo is 9ish. We did Number the Stars the year she was 7, she has seen Schindler's List several times as well as The Pianist. We've been studying The Silk Road & Marco Polo, which of course leads straight to Jerusalem and the early parts of this conflict.

What makes me feel inadequate is that I feel she needs more Jewish perspective than I can provide, having not been raised as a Jew, and the other side of the family simply writes it off as "well you guys aren't Jewish so there is no need."

Argghhh

807 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:20:27am

#803 Geepers - morning Geepers! How are you today?
While I agree with your analysis, just think of what kind of mentality is behind the idea of shelling your neighbor to get them more actively on your side? LOL!

808 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:22:25am

{LIZARDS}!

Why is everyone up so early?

809 nonic  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:23:44am

#706 Goddess

Once again, you and I agree.

I don't excuse Gibson, but I also don't wish to crucify him over this.

I think the whole incident is ugly and sad and most likely really more to do with alcoholism than anything else.

At first, I felt "so what." But I've come to understand (and you explain it very well) that it's a very big so what to some people.

My "for instance" has to do with my recent divorce. My husband of 30 years ran off with a very young woman, abandoned me and our sons (4 of whom are still in college or law school), we lost our family home, our household income was reduced to 1/3 what it was, and now I will always be relatively poor and without any capital for the rest of my life. Why? Only because of his selfishness.

My sons (most of them) continue to have a civil relationship with their father. There are times that that infuriates me. Or devastates me.

They're trying to live in the real world (like Mike C. and me about Gibson's remarks). But I take it very personally (like my Jewish friend).

While I hope Jews put Gibson's drunken rant into perspective, I also know that they deserve my sensitivity for their special feelings in this.

810 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:24:55am

#805 realwest

I agree with you wholeheartedly about that real job/working your butt off thing. Each and every one of my children have been expected to work. There is no such thing as a free ride. The little ones do chores because housework is what you do where you live - no allowance involved. The day they are old enough to work they have worked for their own spending money, just like I did. (And my parents were nowhere close to poor!)

I think the absolute worst thing that we do to our children as a society is hand them the world on a plate. We have 16 year olds here driving around in $30,000 cars that are THEIR cars, not their parents'. No wonder they are still "children" at 25 and 26 these days.

811 RedPepper  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:25:10am

#806 galloping granny: Are you familiar with the book This Is My God by Herman Wouk? Written many years ago, but certain things never change ...

812 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:25:33am

Obi Wan!

It is not so early in CT

813 Geepers  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:26:43am

realwest (#807),

Mornin' realwest.

Syria's been shouting "Death to Israel" for how long? Now when the shooting starts, we find out they ain't much interested in doing anything more than shouting.

814 Just_A_Grunt  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:26:49am

If there is any way possible you need to watch this video. It is a video of a graduation speech given by LTC White at Ft Benning and I found via Blackfive.
Lieutenant Colonel White refers to the new generation of Infantryman as 21st Century Spartans. It is the best 12 minutes of commentary on what the current generation of soldiers are all about.
Hooah
I use Firefox and had to download the video for viewing.

815 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:26:59am

Obi-wan!

You know- it's Happy Hour somewhere...

816 Thanos  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:28:07am

GG:

I think the absolute worst thing that we do to our children as a society is hand them the world on a plate. We have 16 year olds here driving around in $30,000 cars that are THEIR cars, not their parents'. No wonder they are still "children" at 25 and 26 these days.

My daughter brought a 25 k car when she was 17, and paid it off, all through her own efforts. She now works at a bank, sold the car to her brother, and has a 30K car. :)

817 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:28:25am

#804 badger1970 - I would use harsher language than did you regarding LeMond, but the intent would've been the same. What the fuck is his problem?
I think the case against Landis is not all that clear cut. He tested negative eight times before that one and anyone who knows anything about synthetic testosterone knows it takes time to build up in your body.I'm starting to think US Cyclists should boycott the Tour de France, thereby destroying it's credibility as "the World Class" event that it currently enjoys. First the putzes that run cycling disqualify Ullrich and the other guy, now they're determined to take the title from Landis. I say Fuck 'Em, no more Americans in the Tour du France. If we do that, and they keep disqualifying other great cyclists, sooner or later they'll find a Frenchman who can win the damn thing, only to find out that the World doesn't give a shit.
/rant off - for now.

818 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:28:37am

807 Real
I think I can safely asssume that
those who use their babies as bombs and human shields would have no qualms about blasting the shit out of a couple of neighbors...
Maybe they wouldnt buy their used meat...

819 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:29:45am

#812 {BababaZee}

It's the same time in NC but seems a lot earlier!

Oh well, more coffee, more coffee!

820 windybon  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:30:33am

#808 Obi-wan -

Early? It's the middle of the day, lol! Good morning!

821 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:30:34am

Geepers

Six mortar shells that were fired from Lebanon on Saturday cleared the Golan Heights and landed in Syrian territory.


How does one fire a morter, and miss an entire country?

Rockets, I can understand.
Morters..it's got to be either stupidity, or deliberate.

Or both

822 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:31:26am

#815 {Dubs}

I'm just happy I woke up!

823 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:32:15am

#808 Obi-wan - Hey there my friend - I think the real question is why are you up so late?!

;>p

824 spanishpete  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:32:34am

Israeli commandos stage Tyre raid.
well i may be a bit thick, but even i know that israel aint gonna win no war by nicking fucking tyres, know what i mean hey, hey.

825 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:32:50am

#820 windybon

Well, for some of us...

826 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:32:53am

Nonic

I am so sorry. I can only try to imagine your pain.

827 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:33:28am

Thanos
I think gg was talking about the Country Club set.
Mom and dad have more money than time to spend with their children.

Hat's off to your daughter though for earning her own way with the car.
Not enough of that happens any more.

828 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:33:57am

#821 Village Idiot's Apprentice : "How does one fire a morter, and miss an entire country?"
ROTFLMAO!

829 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:34:43am

{Obi-wan}
here ya go LOL


[Link: www.tjameswhite.com...]

830 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:34:45am
#811 RedPepper

#806 galloping granny: Are you familiar with the book This Is My God by Herman Wouk? Written many years ago, but certain things never change ...

I believe that is one that has somehow escaped my attention. The library program tells me that we do not own it (yes, the library is so large we need a catalog!) so it will promptly arrive from Amazon in next week's book order.

I don't mind the "written many years ago" part. Much of what we collect, even if they are reprints, are books written many years ago. Some of the very best of children's literature was written before I was born. A little Rudyard Kipling goes a very long way towards explaining the Russian/French/English tussle over India, which still has direct results today. Uris' Exodus is still one of the best quick summaries of the birth of modern Israel around. (Yes, I feel accurate historical novels have a place.)

831 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:35:05am

#823 [realwest]

Hell, I dunno.

Mrs. Obi-wan handles all that crap.

832 tigger2005  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:36:10am

# 753 Totally Serious

You should never admit to having goo on your keyboard ...

833 tigger2005  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:36:56am

# 832 cont.

... ESPECIALLY not sticky goo.

834 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:36:57am

#829 BabbaZee

Starbucks? EEWWW!

I don't support barking moonbats!

Besides, their stock is down this week.

835 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:37:46am

as an aside on the child rearing discussion.
Has anyone ever watched "Hulk Knows Best" or something like that?
He aparently isn't exactly poor.
But the one day, after both kids just ran amok with the credit cards, he lined both of them up, took every credit card, cell phone, car keys, etc...and got them both jobs at the local restaurant, at the lowest positions he could get them.

Pretty much said "I'm tired of getting my body beat to crap so you guys can get a free ride in life".

836 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:40:43am
#816 Thanos

My daughter brought a 25 k car when she was 17, and paid it off, all through her own efforts. She now works at a bank, sold the car to her brother, and has a 30K car. :)

Good for her. Though I assume you helped some, because a 17 year old cannot sign for their own loan. One of mine wanted a very nice brand new car and did the same. I did not cosign and neither did her Dad, so she had to wait an extr a year. But I am talking about kids that have not had their license to drive for 6 months and do not work. Where I live it is a highly unusual thing to see kids that actually hold paid jobs, even during the summer.

837 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:40:49am

#809 nonic - I'm very sorry life has treated you in such a shitty fashion. But with regards to your sons and their unbelivablyselfish father, better they maintain "civil" relations with him, than none at all. If for no other reason than to see, first hand, how NOT to be a man.
As for your "now I will always be relatively poor and without any capital for the rest of my life."
Don't be so sure of that; lots of things can happen in life that we can't forsee - and who knows, one or more of your sons may come up with some significant bucks for you some day or maybe you'll meet a real man, who'll love and appreciate you and who'll be rich.
Please don't give in to despair.

838 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:40:54am

#756, middle-earth

Thanks for that link. Powerline's embedded Realplayer video hasn't worked for me, so that's the first time I've seen it.

(And they've supposedly been taking over al-Manar's signal to play the video, right? Heh.)

839 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:41:01am

LOL
I HATE starbucks
the places themselves seem to actually suffer from some kind of derangement or depression
I went in starbucks twice in my life
at rest stops in 2 different states
and it was like there was some sort of dread and foul mood over the whole place IMO
and their coffee was LOUSY
I had said to my friend
DAMN they put some sort of commie voodoo headaches and lunacy in this coffee didn't they!
but... that was the biggest picture of a coffee cup I could find

840 Roger  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:41:57am

#750 Mike C.

No the streets won't close the strait. But do we really know what the streets want for Iran? Will they help or hinder like the Iraqis?

841 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:42:31am

galloping granny
Do you try to find out of print and hard to find books?

I often use this site to locate things.
They have never failed me yet.
I was tracking down the family tree once, and had to find what was almost a pamphlet on the Palentines.
It was a small print run to begin with and was out of print for years.
Had my choice of at least 4 dealers that ABEBOOKS located for me.
They showed up at our home in Italy about 5 days later.

842 Carridine  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:42:37am

#816- Thanos: I appreciate your Comments!

843 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:43:08am
#835 Village Idiot's Apprentice

as an aside on the child rearing discussion.
Has anyone ever watched "Hulk Knows Best" or something like that?
He aparently isn't exactly poor.
But the one day, after both kids just ran amok with the credit cards, he lined both of them up, took every credit card, cell phone, car keys, etc...and got them both jobs at the local restaurant, at the lowest positions he could get them.

Pretty much said "I'm tired of getting my body beat to crap so you guys can get a free ride in life".

No but Disney has one out on the Disney Channel in much the same vein. If the kiddo were here I would tell you the name of the thing, but she isn't and I try to tune Disney out...Cow something?

844 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:44:39am

#841 Village Idiot's Apprentice 8/5/2006 07:42AM PDT
galloping granny
Do you try to find out of print and hard to find books?


Another good resource:


[Link: www.alibris.com...]

845 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:45:04am

#839 BabbaZee

In our house, we call that a "Medium."

846 RedPepper  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:45:32am

#830 galloping granny: The Wouk book is excellent, hope you & your family enjoy it!

Fiction certainly has its place also; Mila 18 by Uris, The Source by Michener, and The Last of the Just by Andre Swartz-Bart are all worth reading.

Take care ...

847 mfarmer1  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:46:22am

Mr. Green Helmet again?

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

848 tigger2005  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:46:28am

# 809 nonic

The thing about the Mel Gibson thing, IMO, is that I have a hard time believing Mel would say those things drunk if he didn't think them a lot while sober. Drinking lowers your inhibitions and leads you to say or do things you wouldn't while you have your wits about you.

Personally I'd hope that, if I got busted speeding while drunk, I'd be screaming about Muslims being responsible for all the problems in the world, since they really ARE responsible for better than 90% of them, not to mention that they really DO run the world with the help of Saudi oil money.

Mel's rant makes you wonder how many people out there agree with him. We already know the Muslims do, but how many others?

849 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:47:04am

Obi-

I'm happy you woke up too. :)

850 Just_A_Grunt  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:49:43am

#847 mfarmer1
There is more on Mr Green Helmet over at Powerline.

851 tigger2005  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:50:27am

# 810 galloping granny

Then the ones who get the world handed to them on a plate grow up to be limousine liberals who think EVERYONE should be handed the world on a plate. Well, as long as it doesn't inconvenience them too much, of course.

852 DesertSage  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:50:34am

#814 Just_A_Grunt

Thanks for that video. The Colonel really knows what he's talking about and how to motivate his troops.

853 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:50:47am

EVERONE: CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT MEL FUCKING GIBSON? please? He's just an actor. That's it. No great education, a really shitty upbringing and anything he says about anything is worth the paper this is being typed on.

854 Roger  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:53:16am

Did someone say something about Mel Gibson?

[*ducks and runs*]

855 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:54:39am

#854 Roger - don't bother running, son - you'll just die tired!

;>p

856 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:56:18am

#833 tigger2005

!

Everybody is awake now! That was too funny.

Good morning {Obi-wan}!

{Realwest}~ we do things a little slower down here ;-)

857 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:57:53am

#856 {m}

'Morning, sugah!

How come you're not in the pool yet?

858 THX-42  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:59:03am

Ahhh...LGF. My favorite pier group...

859 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 5:59:06am
#844 BabbaZee

#841 Village Idiot's Apprentice 8/5/2006 07:42AM PDT
galloping granny
Do you try to find out of print and hard to find books?

I collect cookbooks up through about 1970, daughter collects fantasy/science fiction, kiddo is into Roman Mysteries (we now have to have those dragged across the pond, US hasn't caught up with UK release dates.) Then of course there are computer books, my science/medicine collection, history of various eras (we each have our faves) ... at any rate we could stock an entire library in many small towns.
Where do we get them? I am ashamed to admit that I do not for the most part know. Daughter and I have a deal: I maintain a lengthy list of the books we need/want and she does the hunting/buying. Not counting recreational reading, we use something on the order of 200 books per year homeschooling. I try to have 3-6 per topic and it is nearly impossible to get them all at once at the time you need them interlibrary loan. Buy a lot from the various used book dealers associated with Amazon.

860 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:01:43am

We need a new Mr. Holland's Opus...

861 nonic  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:02:00am

#837 realwest

Life didn't treat me badly --- only my ex-husband did! LOL

But he "got his." He married the girlfriend, and apparently it's not going well. Plus he has to pay me alimony for the rest of his (or my) life, which I know he loathes.

I don't despair. (Not anymore.)

But I was just making the point that sometimes circumstances are such that you cannot be fully objective -- like Jews not being objective about Mel Gibson.

862 Just_A_Grunt  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:02:05am

Breaking on Fox US and France have reached agreement on resolution regarding a cease fire. Did anybody bother to consult Hezbollah?

863 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:02:17am

#857 Obi-wan
The pool has to wait today :( I'm supervising closet and drawer cleanings to make room for school clothes :)

864 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:04:18am

#863 m

Oh, JOY!

You get all the neat jobs! :-)

865 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:04:25am

I love Gibson!

866 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:06:54am

Bwa hahahahahaha

867 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:07:02am

I need more dancing robots in my life.

868 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:08:36am

#867 Dubs

Don't we all!

869 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:09:03am

#859 galloping granny

at any rate we could stock an entire library in many small towns.

You would probably like Inkheart, with Elinor and her house filled with books :) They are making a movie about it, that will be released in 2007.

Very cute story.

870 Middle-Earth  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:09:05am

#838 Dar ul Harb

And they've supposedly been taking over al-Manar's signal to play the video, right? Heh.

ROFLMAO

That could be really funny. All there little heads would implode.

871 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:09:51am
#861 nonic


But I was just making the point that sometimes circumstances are such that you cannot be fully objective -- like Jews not being objective about Mel Gibson.

Sometimes you shouldn't HAVE to be fully objective about getting kicked in the teeth.

872 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:11:09am

Obi-

Then you should join me on post #737 above...

873 Thanos  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:11:50am

#839 Yes, we did co-sign, but that was all the help she got from us. My daughter amazes me, she has saved all her life with little coaxing from me. I think teaching that capitalism works by CAPITAL early on is very important. If you teach that money is the root of all evil, that's the wrong message to send. Money is banked time and trust, not evil. Only people can be evil.

#842 Most welcome K, I enjoy your site.

874 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:12:06am

#862 Just_A_Grunt - Never mind Hezbollah - did anyone consult the truly agrieved party here -Israel?

875 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:12:15am

867 W-lover

How about some dueling robots?

:D

876 OldTime_Rock&Roll  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:14:10am

Mornin' all! I've been waiting for an open thread to post this. The Muse struck me (but, being a gentleman, I didn't strike back...hard) and I came up with a little ditty; a guide, if you will, to things Muslims find upsetting if we do them because the Koran says they are forbidden. The melody is an old (really old) song called Mama don't Allow, though it's usually said as Mama don' 'low. My offering is called

Allah don' 'Low

Allah don' 'low no smilin', laughin' here
Allah don' 'low no cartoon jokes in here
Whatta we care what Allah don' 'low?
Gonna laugh at Ol' Mo anyhow.
Allah don' 'low no smilin', laughin' here

Allah don' 'low no skimpy clothes 'round here.
Allah don' 'low no Daisy Dukes 'round here.
Women don' care what Allah don' 'low
Gonna show their shapes off anyhow.
Allah don' 'low no skimpy clothes 'round here.

Allah don' 'low no good time music here
Allah don' 'low no jumpin' jive in here
We don' care what Allah don' 'low.
Gonna rock and roll it anyhow.
Allah don' 'low no good time music here

Allah don' 'low no ham and bacon here.
Allah don' 'low no pork chop fryin' here.
Who gives a dang what Allah don' 'low?
Gonna eat what we like anyhow.
Allah don' 'low no ham and bacon here.

Allah don' 'low no alcohol 'round here.
Allah don' 'low no Scotch and bourbon here.
We don' give a dang what Allah don' 'low.
Gonna drink that whiskey anyhow.
Allah don' 'low no alcohol 'round here.

Allah don' 'low no Hebrew folk 'round here.
Allah don' 'low no Is-ra-el in here.
I-D-F don' care what Allah don' 'low
Gonna stomp jihadis anyhow.
Allah don' 'low no Hebrew folk 'round here.

/Trying for a fatwa

877 Thanos  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:15:23am

Link for Charles to look at when he wakes up:

Indonesian Jihadis threaten Australia

878 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:15:35am
#869 m

You would probably like Inkheart, with Elinor and her house filled with books :) They are making a movie about it, that will be released in 2007.

Very cute story.

We acquired Inkheart the day it was released in the US and the entire extended family has read it (and bought their own copies.) It's wonderful - and the kiddo cannot wait for the flick. The second book in what will be a trilogy is out too - Inkspell. Also not bad.

Cornelia Funke has done some really good stuff. Dragon Rider is also a great read, as is The Thief Lord. There are others for younger readers but we either didn't discover her when kiddo was reading at that level or her books had not yet been translated. (She's German.)

879 TotallySirius  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:15:51am

Aw

No comments on my Gibson post?

I'm disappointed...but you won't be ;-)

880 realwest  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:19:24am

Charles is up and there are new threads - time for me to get back to packing - see yous'e all later!

881 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:19:29am

#873 Thanos

RE Capitalism - you're right on the money there. The kiddo can really pinch a penny (good thing we don't make her buy her own books) and is currently rather wealthy for 9, so she is off to spend part of her current wad on a really big memory card for her digital camera. I have had to wipe it 3 times for her already this am.

882 W-lover  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:21:27am

TS-

Everyone's watching the robots.

883 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:21:34am
884 m  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:23:01am

#878 galloping granny
I started Inkspell last night :D

885 Obi-wan  Sat, Aug 5, 2006 6:23:15am

#872