Another Lutheran seminary gone bad.

Assan Abdullah Khan

Kahn!

/Cpt. Kirk

Looks like a broad strata of society, no common thread there..

/I don't see John Smith on that list...

Hmmm... disimilar backgrounds, no obvious connection at all...

/end sarcasm

PIMF - can't even spell Khan right...

I can't imagine what all these names have in common.

19? Again?

Anyone know what the Mohammed over/under was for this list?

Charles,
Any of these on your special email list ?

/just a thought

Justice.

Let there be justice.

Imagine if they succeeded.

Ibrahim Savant

I always thought he was an idiot...

What's the bet, 2 years trial, and then time served?

The Not-So-Magnificent 19?

Taqiyya coing right up. Al-AP and Al-Reuters joing Osama bin Pinch at the NYT to spin this as another sign that Western intolerance and bias are driving peaceful Isamist to violence. God help us.

Umar Islam, 28, (born Brian Young) High Wycombe

Looks like there's a dumb white or black Brit in there.

The reuters hits are up again, what a coincidence...

/ and hey, the lgf logo is back to full speed!

Don't LET Up
The transatlantic air plot and the problem of British Islam.

So now, what do you all suppose will come of these losers. Life sentences? Served where?

All who aren't convinced yet that this is World War IV, please raise your hands.

OT: Meanwhile, France and Russia are desperate to push through some cease-fire in Lebanon to save their terrorist proteges.

Wouldn't it be wonderful they were this desperate to push a cease-fire in, say, Darfur?

Or if they felt the same urgency with regard to, oh, I don't know, Iran's nuclear capability?

The hypocrisy is revolting, if not surprising.

Passengers can expect double screening
That will mean 3 - 4 for me.

... and William Demarest as Uncle Charlie.

Hey, those names are sorta like the names of people who've been beheading people in Thailand bombing in the Phillipines. Now, I don't want to jump to any hasty generalizations, but...

English speakers all
___

OT

CBS will broadcast the Mahmoud death threat against President Bush on Sunday.

Mahmoud refers to the invitation letter to submit to Islam:

“Well, (with the letter) I wanted to open a window towards the light for the president so that he can see that one can look on the world through a different perspective,” he said.

Ahmadinejad scoffed at Bush for refusing his “invitation” in the form of his letter.

“We are all free to choose. But please give him this message, sir: Those who refuse to accept an invitation will not have a good ending or fate,” he said

.

James Lewis

Hmmm...I guess Bob and Fred didn't make the cut.

Not a Nigel, Percy or Lambert among them. Well... there was a Brian but he doesn't count. Not a distinctly British name. Anyone can be named Brian.

Gosh, I was thinking there were gonna be some Bobs and Bills and Jims in that bunch...

/sarc

One of the suspects is a big George Galloway fan:

TERROR suspect Waheed Zaman met controversial MP George Galloway many times, his sister said last night.

Safeena, 24, said of her 23-year-old brother: “He saw it as his duty to stand up for his community and that’s what led him to know George Galloway. He has a lot of respect for him and has met him many times.”

A spokesman for MP Galloway, left, said: “Waheed Zaman is not a name that George is familiar with. He is not known to him on a personal level.”

The Sun

OT

You knew when Fark had a contest to photoshop this somebody had to come up with this.

damned quakers

#16 Doss

Looks like there's a dumb white or black Brit in there

Evil comes in all colors, but mostly one ideology.

All those Asian males,
and not a single North Vietnamese.

/Chui Hoi

#4 Desertsage:

I don't see John Bigbooty there either, but then again, Yoyodyne Propulsion is in Grovers Mill, NJ, not London...

I'm confused, where are all the Timothy, John and Davids? and where are all the pretty blond catholic girls?
That seems like an unfair list.

Umir Hussain, 24, London E14
Muhammed Nigel Usman Saddique, 24, London E17
Waheed Zaman, 22, London E17
Assan Abdullah Khan, 22, London E17
Waseem Kayani, 28, High Wycombe
Waheed Arafat Khan, 24, London E17
Cossor Ali, 24, London E17
Tayib Rauf, 21, Birmingham
Ibrahim Savant, 26, London E17
Osman Adam Khatib, 20, London E17
Shamin Mohammed Basil Uddin, 36, Stoke Newington
Amin Asmin Tariq, 23, London E17
Shazad Khuram Ali, 27, High Wycombe
Tanvir Hussain, 24, London E10
Umar Islam, 28, (born Brian Young) High Wycombe
Assad Sarwar, 25, High Wycombe
Abdullah Chauncy Ali, 26, London E17
Abdul Edgar Muneem Patel, 17, London E5
Nabeel Hussain, 21, Waltham Forest

They got a couple names wrong. Fixed that for 'em.

Hmmm. They seem to be a perfect match for the profile of a potential terrorist I have in my mind. But I know I'm an islamo-phobic bigot. Now I'm both frightened AND confused.

Yawwwnnn... they should try to make this a bit less obvious. You know, a leeetil challenging. May be throw in a few Alecs or Johns in between.

On topic...

I still feel (relatively) safe flying El Al.
El Al uses a drastic, inhumane method no PC American or Euro would dare even suggest. I hesitate to mention it, so I'll just *whisper.*

{profiling.}

They have lists of passengers before the flight. They know who is a potential security risk. Even more important, their security agents TALK to each and every passenger, assessing them for signs of stress, etc.

On a prior thread regarding the attempted terror attack in the skies, there were various questions about what do you do when they start hiding stuff in bodily orifices, etc.

Ultimately I think the answer will have to be a combination of chemical sampling and human security checks. Chemical tests are not highly accurate, and although they will improve, they will never be 100%, but used together with screening by trained personnel, I think this would be highly effective.

It's also very expensive in terms of manpower. Israel has only 2 international airports to deal with (and Eilat barely qualifies). It's hard to imagine implementing this in all US airports, but something along these lines may be necessary in the end.

If you have seen one, You have seen em all.

I cant tell them apart,
/They all look alike to me.

Damned presbyterians...

Greetings from Foggy Londonistan

That's no small part of what this affair indicates. Self-defeating, political-correctness-obsessed, and dare I say anti-Jewish Britons (brainwashed masses of them) setting immigration, criminal-code, and social-services policies that lead to the complete inversion and perversion of values and rights, including the right to societal safety.

Tony Blair ought to immediately:

1) divorce his moonbat/dhimmi/appeaser wife Cherie Booth Blair;

and

2) appoint Melanie Phillips as the new Home Secretary.

I know that this is a war and goes considerably beyond the issues I enumerate above, but if the "home front" doesn't have its moral-intellectual-justification act together in the first place, any strategies for taking the fight to the enemy will continue to be profoundly handicapped.

What do they all have in common? Good teeth!

;)

The short list for English speakers:

1) Ass-wad... 19) Ass-wad.

36 Noam Sayin'

Nigel
Basil
Chauncy
Edgar

LOL!
(but you forgot "Ian")

I'm sure the last four or five names will be all up with Brian, Tom, Debbie, Tammy, and Bill.

Why these people could have been anybody! Anybody at all! I mean, they clearly represent the broadest possible strata of society. They have absolutely nothing in common...except...hey...what's that elephant doing in here? Scat! Scat! You are impinging on my delicate multicultural sensibilities!

Damn them all. British born yet? Is it too much to ask that you don't wage war against the country that nurtured you and gave you such a good life? You despicable bastards.

36 Noam,

Abdullah Chauncy Ali, 26, London E17
Abdul Edgar Muneem Patel, 17, London E5

lol

Wait a minute here, those are all Muslim names.

I hope somebody called the ACLU.

There's three Hussain's on the list.

That's a Hat Trick...

34 Curt

John Bigbooty - you are John YaYa. And you... John Smallberries.

# 23 Noam Sayin'

... and Dave Thomas as the Beaver.

I bet when they get to prison, the big guy on the C block will meet them in the shower and tell 'em, "Hey terrorist! Terrorize this!" and give 'em a bit of the Durka Burka Durka.

My neice flying from Sacramento to Ontario, CA today, Had to toss all shampoo etc. on Southwest airlines. Who do I sue? These 19 assholes?

Continuing...Where are all the Ruperts. I was sure there'd be at least one Rupert

Again, the magic number 19?

Photographs of the missings Egyptian students.

Do these dudes look like they're between 17 and 20 years old?

My guess is that they are all CAIR members.

But, that is just a guess

US sources claimed last night that substantial sums of money had been wired from Pakistan to two of the alleged ringleaders so that they could purchase airline tickets.

Heavens!
I hope we (NSA) didn't violate the privacy rights of these poor dears by tracking their funds transfers thru the SWIFT program!

Thank God they were picked up in Pakistan and out of the ACLU's reach.

#57 Wm t Sherman

Yes, I know! Again with the number 19! I believe it has some sort of meaning in Islam; can any Lizards help out here?

Holy cow, these damn buddists! Geez.

#34 Curt

"Bigbootay, -tay!..."

[gets shot by Emilio Lizardo]

/BuckarooBanzai off

Instead of banning make up, contact lens solution, liquids, untasted baby milk and iPods, can we just seat anyone named Hussein, Ali, Mohammed, Arafat, Aziz, bin-Anything, or Khan together on separate flights?

Maybe the time for UnHalal-Air has come.

I want to be booked on an un-halal flight, please

# 26 byteboy

Hmmm...I guess Bob and Fred didn't make the cut.

That they still call themselves Bob and Fred shows that they haven't fully committed themselves to Islam.

43 quilly mammoth

Nah. Hideously bad teeth. By the way, I just calculated the average age to be 24.1 Years.

Yup. No connection between Islam and terrorism whatsoever. < /sarcasm >

You know... instead of banning fingernail clippers, pen knives, lighters, matches, paper clips, shaving blades, hair gel and action figures from every flight, why don't they just Safety Seal™ machetes to the back of every seat. The moment trouble started, everyone could just pull their machete and hack the highjacker to bits, flush him down the toilet, and leave al Quaida wondering why the hell their operative didn't do his job and didn't get off the plane.

Maybe they'll think it's Allah's will.

I want my public paid Defense Counsel team ASAP. After all, I have no money since I was on the dole and buying all these chemicals and things...

Mohammed XYZ

Is it true American is forcing Israel to pull out? WTF?!?!?!?

Hmmm...

Umar Islam, 28, (born Brian Young) High Wycombe

I knew the Mormons were involved in this somehow!

68 Noam

Wouldn't it be easier to have Nude Flights?

No carryon's, no clothes, no glasses.. just naked asses

#39

No lie.

I was returning home from a year in Europe working as a roadie for a rock band, and I hooked up with an El Al flight from Tel Aviv in Amsterdam which was continuing to NYC. I had a guitar in a gig bag and a Sony walkman as carry-ons. They interviewed me for thirty minutes (My passport was a messy disaster of dozens of stamps from over ten countries, but they sorted out the entire timeline), opened up my guitar (!) and made me play the Walkman for them. I had three days growth of beard and shoulder length hair (Hey, I wasn't always an anti-idiotarian, OK?). I was the only one interviewed. I would have interviewed me as well.

Best airline food in the known universe.

Oh yeah. That was back in 1983, by the way.

#72 Amalie

Wouldn't it be easier to have Nude Flights?

Uhhh...you do know that Cindy Sheehan flies on airplanes?

"Now there's something you don't see everyday, Edgar."

"What's that, Chauncy?"

"That bobbie nicked my sports bottle of explosives."

73 Hucbald

But you weren't a groadie roadie, were you?

No reason to profile any specific group, nothing in common here.

/sarc

So I seem to have missed some news over the last two days.

No matter where you go...there you are -b. bonzai

froghat, I can't believe this is happening. I keep waiting for something sane to be revealed, something that will make sense. Why would the US stop Israel from crushing Hizballah? Is there some greater plan that I'm not seeing? Or is it the usual hypocrisy?

Amalie,

The last flight I took from Dallas to Palm Springs, I would rather be blown up than look at those T&A.

#31 kafir 8/10/2006 08:18PM PDT

damned quakers

Careful there. The quakers happen to be great fans and supporters of George Galloway and the crazy leftists/nihilists in London.

soliciting additional lyrics

#34 Curt

Yoyodyne Propulsion

Stencil's running the show now that he's found V.

#74 DesertSage 8/10/2006 08:36PM PDT

#72 Amalie

Wouldn't it be easier to have Nude Flights?

Uhhh...you do know that Cindy Sheehan flies on airplanes?

I've seen worse..

Waheed Arafat Khan, 24,
===
yas sir, that's my baby!

#85 Amalie

I've seen worse..

Michael Moore?

72 Amalie

Wouldn't it be easier to have Nude Flights?

No carryon's, no clothes, no glasses.. just naked asses

I am for that. If the men all look like Antonio Banderas. (One can only hope). Of course, that would only be for the women (maybe that is just me)

81 stuck-in-california

I was trying to think of ways to limit carry-on's... I hate flying because people pack so much crap and drag it on the plane. I would gladly pay more for my ticket if no one could bring any carry-on's.

And I would pay more if there were no luggage either.

zulubaby, dunno but Bush is starting to piss me off. Between this and Iran he's starting to act like John Kerry. It feels like he's tired and plans on phoning it in the next 2 years.

# 72 Amalie

Um..the sight of my dimpled rear would be enough to start a panic that would bring down even the biggest jumbo jet. Not a good idea.

#58 Ringo

Do these dudes look like they're between 17 and 20 years old?

Absolutely not.

I'll bet the New York Times is pissed beyond belief that they didn't get to 'out' the Brits secret surveillance of this group of miscreants...

Profiling. Now. Before it's too late.

Amalie

Wouldn't it be easier to have Nude Flights?

Only if I could be seated between Passenger #36 Amalie and Passenger #38 Bubble Girl. ;P

Religion
Of
Peace

#70 froghat

Is it true America is forcing Israel to pull out? WTF?!?!?!?

Not a bad Idea,

We get the blame, forced Israel to withdraw.
Terrorists hate us more, if that is possible?

Israel re-loads and gets better targets.
Gets rid of some Peace at all costs freaks.

Not a single Joe Johnson in the bunch. Silly brits!

Let's see how moonbat media spins each and every arrest for terrorism, how they twist these into flimsy frame-up jobs as a ruse to take everyone's minds off of the Joe Lieberman defeat.

Does anyone find it ironic that when the dems eat one of their own, someone who is likely to rise like Captain Ahab from his presumed fate, that they gloat with great pride and honor at deposing someone that THEY elected, and who most certainly brought no scandal or dishonor on their party?

I haven't the foggiest clue as to what they could be happy about.

88 Crimsonfisted

LOL...

The Ladies Only Nude Antonio Banbareass Flight

Shamin Mohammed Uddin, 36, Stoke Newington

This is the one that stands out from all the others. He's 36 years old, but all the others are in their low to mid 20's. Whatsupwithat? Ringleader perhaps?

If you eliminate his middle name in the search query, he shows up as a proprieter of an Indian cuisine restaurant near London.

Umir Hussain, 24, London E14
Muhammed Usman Saddique, 24, London E17
Waheed Zaman, 22, London E17
Assan Abdullah Khan, 22, London E17
Waseem Kayani, 28, High Wycombe
Waheed Arafat Khan, 24, London E17
Cossor Ali, 24, London E17
Tayib Rauf, 21, Birmingham
Ibrahim Savant, 26, London E17
Osman Adam Khatib, 20, London E17
Shamin Mohammed Uddin, 36, Stoke Newington
Amin Asmin Tariq, 23, London E17
Shazad Khuram Ali, 27, High Wycombe
Tanvir Hussain, 24, London E10
Umar Islam, 28, (born Brian Young) High Wycombe
Assad Sarwar, 25, High Wycombe
Abdullah Ali, 26, London E17
Abdul Muneem Patel, 17, London E5
Nabeel Hussain, 21, Waltham Forest

I'm getting sick of these youths causing trouble.

#89 Amilie,

Understand, But going into Palm Springs you need carry-ons for the silicon and face lifts...(butt lifts etc.)

72 Amalie

Wouldn't it be easier to have Nude Flights?

No carryon's, no clothes, no glasses.. just naked asses

Howdy Colorado! You wouldn't want to be seeing the naked asses if you'd seen the gross rear end I saw about three hours ago while driving - there was this big woman walking away from the street and her short skirt must have gotten bunched up somehow, but anyway - the bottom half of her ass was out there for the world to see, and it wasn't pretty.

/true story, swear on mom's life

I want to be on the men only nekkid flight...sitting between Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin...

ibmkeyboard (#97)

I'll be back later but ... what are you talking about? Your post makes no sense. The IDF was about to invade and were stopped because of US pressure -- something is up. What is going on? I'm trying to find out.

If anyone knows more about this, please post it here ...

This reminds me of that joke that went around about profiling. The anser was always young Arab males between the ages of 18 and 35.

Of course that wouldn't be this problem.

#1 fluffy

Again with the Lutherans! Look out for the lutefisk.

#99 Amalie

88 Crimsonfisted

LOL...

The Ladies Only Nude Antonio Banbareass Flight

Well, I will have sweet dreams tonight!

Too bad after all this, no more flights for me, this is truly going to impact air flight. I am so glad that I took my trip to visit my folks last month.

From now on, I will be driving.

What? Not a John Smith amongst them?

We were told last night the arrested were Asian men... I thought for a moment those pesky Buddhists were plotting to light incense on a passenger plane again...

Re - nude flights

Well, that would certainly empty out any plane Cindy She-hag flew on. Either that, or they'd run out of barf bags before leaving the gate.

95 Noam

Double the fun?

ibmkeyboard, in your dreams. In reality we will cave to the French and agree to some half assed proposal that soes nothing.

71 - The Monster

WHOA there, big guy! I scooped that one first!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

(And, as a Mormon myself, I am CLEARLY in on it... muhahaha!)

102 Stuck-n-California

LOL...

The Brits can just send them to France.

Thay would all have jobs waiting for them...burning cars.

/disinfected youths...

103 Doss

Shame on you for looking!

/just teasing you..

:D

#101 whitetower

I'm getting sick of these youths causing trouble.

You and me both.

Well now - Gee, I don't see a darn thing all these folks might have in common. /s

YO! CAIR - All I seem to hear from you is CRICKETS!

Is it just me, or is anyone else out there just getting hardily SICK of all this nonsense?

Britain has a problem.

I want to be on the men only nekkid flight...sitting between Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin...

Mm... Sage, I think you have a new samich for the Carnegie Deli.

78 Mike C.

So I seem to have missed some news over the last two days

Just a bunch of Asian yoots plotting to blow up some airplanes. nothing to do with the ROP as you can see by thier names, just a bunch of yoots from a broad cross section of society.

How's it going, were you travelling back from commie land?

Hmm. I took the first letters from all the names:

umwawwctiosastuaaan

Then ran them throught the Anagram Server. The result, best I can figure, is an attempt to sell a foriegn-made hot box:

"Tau Macaw Sauna, It's WOW"

/IkeedIkeed

If these aren't Muslims, who are they?

#105 zulubaby

ibmkeyboard (#97)

I'll be back later but ... what are you talking about? Your post makes no sense. The IDF was about to invade and were stopped because of US pressure -- something is up. What is going on? I'm trying to find out.

I have been reading Carl in Jerusalems blog.
Major fng problems in Israeli leadership,
Generals are pissed with direction, and or leadership of war.

It never hurts to punt, and knock the shite out of them when they pick up the ball.

/You have a lot of brave soldiers,
but you also have combat fatigue,
What now, going on 4 weeks?

Might give us a chance to help attack the bigger problem, Iran.

/tfk, just saying.

Q&A: New Requirements for Air Travel
So far, wearing clothing is still allowed.
Well, I guess you'd be detained for wearing none...still...hmmm...

The ages of the suspects:
17,20,21,21,22,22,23,24,24,24,24,24,25,26,26,27,28 ,28,36

All are males. Median age is 24. Range is 17-36, but throw out the high and the low and it's 20-28.

#68 Noam Sayin'

LOL! I can just imagine a few jihadi lookin' dudes on a plane looking nervously at each other while everybody else on the plane is dressed like they've got front row seats at a Gallagher show.

So if I say we should start profiling based on these suspects for future terrorist activity then I am a "racist?"

/yeah, I know racist isn't the right terminology but that is what I will be called

A racist hate monger.

I wonder if there's still a lot of Muslims testing airline securtiy like there have been reports of in the past - doing things like going to the bathroom in twos, standing at inappropriate times, signals to each other.

They're "Militant Islamists" according to Reuters.
Militants again target planes

129 Doss

What I wonder about is the flights originating from other countries to the US. Most of them are not like the Brits.

Possibly the average age of these dodos matches the average age of the KosKids?

I am shocked. Not.

We should start a pool on how long it takes for the first claim of torture.

I pick Saturday 3 pm.

So naturally we will strip search the little old ladies to show we don't discriminate against muslims...can't we just be sensible for once?

Anyway, during WWII did we give visas to German and Japanese men to study in Montana?

#126

I have a wierd feelign that people in that age range amd who are Muslim need to be watched. I'm not sure why though.

/sarc

119 Who Watches the Watchmen? 8/10/2006 08:58PM PDT
Britain has a problem

Britain IS a problem

Youths, obviously.

If the names were Cohen and Levy and Weiss and Meir, the world would scream.
Where is the mass wail today?

Can anyone say " racial profiling ? "

So... if the MSM doesn't point out these "suspects" are Muslim ... then we... won't figure it out.. by ourselves...

Hmmm

Now how did the zionist entity persuade so many otherwise fine young men to abandon their sense of morality, stop their nightly abuse of their wives,` and plan such a dastardly deed. There is only one possiblity to explain it. It was not muslims. It was the Mossad!

So if I say we should start profiling based on these suspects for future terrorist activity then I am a "racist?"

I'm not a racist, I hate everybody!

/sarc

#12 Earth2moonbat

Ibrahim Savant
I always thought he was an idiot...

I guffawed out loud and somebody needed to say so . . .

. . .yeah, he may be an idiot but he can name every single martyr over the last 20 years
/Islamic Rainman

Khan
see
[Link: www.ytmnd.com...]

E17 is the postal code for Walthamstow, an area of London at the far end of the Victoria (blue) tube line. For a while, I lived there, next to Lloyd Park. Famed designer William Morris had a beautiful house there.

Most tenants of E17 live in old row houses, in a very English/late industrial revolution setting. A vast majority of locals are neither English nor industrious, though. I always wondered why there were so many young, healthy men standing around and doing nothing, at all times of the day, every day of the week. Now I'm starting to understand, and so England's Islamofascist problems are worse than I thought. Much worse.

Ceterum censeo, Mecca delenda est.

Recycling... HOMELAND INSECURITY
UK plot resembles
1995 al-Qaida plan
Liquid explosives, timers part of 'Bojinka,'
attempt to bomb 12 airliners over Pacific

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Concerning the missing Egyptian students.

The FBI keeps saying "None of the students is considered a terrorism risk… Three students were arrested Wednesday. The other five Egyptians still are being sought."

I believe that these "students" are probing our defenses, will be caught on immigration violations and be sent home where they can fill in their handlers about any weak points that they discovered.

They need to be treated as spies, if we still know how to do that.

The new FBI protocol for Profiling:

Wanted: Suspect is between the ages of 18 and 88, short, medium and/or tall, weight between 135 and 500 pounds, eye color, neutral..
gender, neutral

It's 7:09am here in Athens. I'm flying home today.

Here's what I have to look forward to:

Bottled water on the plane, nope!
Checking in my laptop. yep.
Checking in my iPod. A 13 hour flight requires some diversion, by I get to check in my iPod. Yep

Guess I better make sure to wear some clean drawers...

"Bend over and spread 'em Mr. BulgarWheat!"

What an insane world. Thanks ROPma!

131 Amalie

What I wonder about is the flights originating from other countries to the US. Most of them are not like the Brits.

I know. I hate to say it, but they'll get it right one of these times.

While checking the CAIR webiste to see wht their latest rant about "anti-Muslim backlash" would be I noticed that they use the .com suffix. You would think a muslim advocacy group wouldn't need a commerical/for-profit address.

Speaking of "zionist entity", every time I heard Mike Wallace use that term I became nauseated, it was as if the land was "occupied" by some sort of space fungus, not by millions of jews...millions of jews that his buddy mahmoud the savvy wants to fry.
Wallace is a traitor to his country and his co-religionists in Israel, may his name be erased

#133 Way too long, Stringart. I give it 5:00 pm, GMT: 11 Aug, 2006.

That'll make the Noon Eastern news bumps.

The good part is, when these scumbags go to jail they will have toilet seats specially installed so as not to face Mecca.

It's true. Really.

Michelle Malkin Has pictures of the "Dearborn Duo" plus this..

Keeping on top of the Dearborn terror arrests...A second charge was added for the two young Muslim men arrested Wednesday in connection with suspected terrorist activity:

A second charged was added for the two Dearborn men who were arrested in Ohio and charged money laundering to support terrorism. Thursday, prosecutors charged 20-year-old Ali Houssaiky and 20-year-old Osma Sabhi Abulhassan with soliciting or providing support for an act of terrorism. Police said the men initially lied, but then under interrogation admitted to buying 600 untraceable cell phones. Authorities are concerned that if shipped to the Middle East, the chips from the phones may be used to remotely detonate car bombs.

Reuters reports more specifically that the two are charged with laundering money for Hizballah.

WXYZ reported: "According to Ali’s brother, Mohamad Houssaiky, the car the two men were in belongs to Ali’s mother who works for Aircraft Service International Group at Metro Airport and the paper work reportedly belonged to her. She was training so she had to do a training list with the bookings and checkings for passengers, he said."

She worked for Metro Airport? Okay.

Obviously the Department of Homeland Security has no clue who works at our airports.

#127 brick

That reminds me of an old (70s) Mad Magazine cartoon of a solution to the Cuban hijacking problem. Every passenger was issued a handgun at the gate. The scruffy looking hijacker was sitting among them sweating profusly and trying to hide his bomb.

#145 cbinflux
I had forgotten this, from the link to The Corner in the worldnetdaily article.

Interesting How Jihadists Repeat Themselves [Andy McCarthy]
This plot, involving, according to Fox News, at least six American airliners crossing the Atlantic, already seems very reminiscent of the so-called "Bojenka" (or "Manila Air") plot from 1994 — the Ramzi Yousef / Khalid Sheik Mohammed plot to blow up a dozen U.S. airliners as they were in flight over the Pacific.

There is obviously a focus here on liquid explosives, out of the belief that they would defeat screening detectors. The '94 plot involved explosive components that the bomber could assemble in the plane's bathroom and that could be detonated by a timer (a simple wrist-watch, if I'm remembering correctly). Yousef put one of these together in a test-run. He boarded a plane making one stop enroute to the U.S. On the first leg, he put together the device and planted it under his seat. He then did not contine on the second leg. The bomb detonated, killing a Japanese national and nearly bringing the flight down. ...

i loved this dailykos poll:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

lots of votes for various conspiracy theories, but the plurality voted for "The plot may have been real, but the timing of the arrests and the hoopla are mighty suspicious"

i wonder, when would be a non-suspicious time to foil a terrorist plot, in their opinions?

I'm not sure why though.

For cryin' out loud, ain't it obvious?

You're a racist! Always jumping to conclusions, thinking the worst of people, presuming guilt, all that stuff.

And you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Show some restraint, willya?

/please tell me I don't need it

#37 One-Eyed Undertaker 8/10/2006 08:20PM PDT
Hmmm. They seem to be a perfect match for the profile of a potential terrorist I have in my mind. But I know I'm an islamo-phobic bigot. Now I'm both frightened AND confused.

Bwhahahahahaa!

That's brilliant.

Thank God for Jack Daniels.

Ok. I'll shut up now.

144 Kalle

Thanks for your post.

Ceterum censeo, Mecca delenda est.

Lectori Salutem (L.S.)

#73 Hucbald

The weirdest, most surprising thing in your post: you liked the food?

Must be something wrong...what were you smoking?
;-)

148 Bulgar Wheat

Hey! Have a safe trip home...

Am

I'm sorry, nothin' against SkyNews, but dammit, WHY do they have to write these How We Caught 'Em articles? I don't NEED to know how they caught them... I just want them caught.[Link: news.sky.com...]

As Rummy would say, ' This is not helpful '.

Except to the splodeydopes.

#156 JD
Solids work too, remember? They smuggled weapons aboard the Beirut flight encased in leaded crystal to foil x-ray detection.

It was awfully nice (and stupifyingly ignorant) of this Brit rag to provide them info on another source of powerful and proven explosives.
Speeding motorist tried to blow up camera
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Meanwhile, eight Egyptian 'students' expecting to attend Montana State are still missing?

They probably all work for Haliburton.

I see the left as playing this three ways. They will most likely ignore it. The story is already more about airport delays than terrorism. Two weeks and it will be forgotten.
They can go all conspiratorial. This series of arrests was designed to steal momentum from ned lamont, etc.
They can argue that there would be no terrorism/hate if we were out of Iraq. This one takes balls.

#2,
(I double-taked at that one too), grin.

But really, I'm sure it was a misprint, and they meant ' Cohen '.
Just so no one would think this wasn't a really diverse bunch of folks.
/sarc/

Aha! Look what Reuters calls them:

ERLIN (Reuters) - A plot to blow up several airliners flying between Britain and the United States highlights militants' long-held obsession with planes and their hunger for a mega-attack to eclipse September 11.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

#157 xbx

i loved this dailykos poll:

[Link: www.dailykos...]

Those rabid little anti-semites over at Koz really don't have a clue, do they?

UN/ Lebanon update:

Russia introduced its own resolution Thursday calling for a blanket 72-hour humanitarian cease-fire in Lebanon.

But this is probably for show.

The new proposal appears to eliminate the prospect of a multinational force that would patrol a buffer zone between Israel and Lebanon, opting instead to considerably beef up the existing U.N. force in Lebanon, known as UNIFIL, and to make it more powerful.

Israel Television reported that the latest draft resolution calls for the current 2,000-strong U.N. force in southern Lebanon to be enlarged to 20,000 troops, with Spain, Germany, Italy and Australia among the new troop contributors.

Feh.

But Lebanon and its Arab allies balked, saying they want UNIFIL to retain its current, weaker mandate, Security Council diplomats said.

Diplomats and U.S. officials said the issue of how much power to give the U.N.-mandated force was one of two main sticking points with the Lebanese. The other was the timing of the withdrawal of Israeli troops that have occupied the territory with the arrival of 15,000 troops Lebanon has promised to send there.

"We have worked a lot, especially on two points, the force to deploy and the withdrawal of the Israeli forces," France's U.N. Ambassador Jean-Marc de La Sabliere said after another round of talks late Thursday. "We want to succeed and we must now check with the parties."

I apologize in advance if there are typos or formatting errors, I am no longer previewing because of long refreshing times.

res ipsa loquitor:

Umir Hussain Muhammed Usman Waheed Zaman
Assan Abdullah Khan Waseem Kayani Waheed Arafat Khan Cossor Ali Tayib Rauf Ibrahim Savant Osman Adam Khatib Shamin Mohammed Uddin Amin Asmin Tariq Shazad Khuram Ali Tanvir Hussain Umar Islam Assad Sarwar Abdullah Ali Abdul Muneem Patel Nabeel Hussain.

168 Noam

And they found one up near you?

# 121 AK

No, I was travelling in commie land. Had to run over to Tanghai, and just got back. No English-language news, and no internet.

Let everyone with a carry permit, carry on an airplane. When was the last time you heard of someone with a carry permit committing a crime or having a bad shoot? Any time it happens the media is all over it, and you never hear about it happening.

Average flight 2-3 passengers carrying. Note: you cannot bring an airplane down with a handgun.

The rule is young middle eastern males only go potty one at a time, don't fiddle with there shoes, pull a bunch of gadgets out and start hooking things together.

They break the rules they spend the rest of flight contemplating the muzzle of a Sig .40. They choose to put up a fuss, too bad...

They can thank two sets of 19 men with similar PROFILES for my intolerance of any hanky panky for anyone of that age group and ethnic background on any plane I am on.

Any Baltimore Lizards will get a kick out of the fact that the Egyptian students were found in Dundalk. If you're from Baltimore, you'll think that's funny.

#168 noam sayin'

Found a few more, I think down to five missing now:

Two of the 11 Egyptian students whose disappearance this week prompted a nationwide search were arrested this morning in Dundalk [Baltimore], according to immigration authorities.

Another missing Egyptian student was detained this morning at O'Hare International Airport in Chicago while he was attempting to book a flight to Montana...

175 Piltdown Man

Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?

# 157,
The flip side of See B.S.'s favorite defensive mantra, this one is ' Accurate-But-Fake'.

#164, rayra

They got the ' Guardians of Hell' thang right.

#179 Piltdown man:

;-)

#39 transient . . .

Ultimately I think the answer will have to be a combination of chemical sampling and human security checks. Chemical tests are not highly accurate, and although they will improve, they will never be 100%, but used together with screening by trained personnel, I think this would be highly effective.

Dogs. Use dogs. Plus devout Muslims hate dogs, so that will get their attention.

Profiling is the best method (based on common sense, duh)...and dogs are relatively cheap and very sensible.

150 mattm

Unfortunately, there are people who think that every address on teh Intarweb starts with "www." and ends with ".com"

My state's treasurer can be reached at

kansasstatetreasurer.com
in addition to the logically correct addresses of
[Link: www.treasurer.state.ks.us...]
and
kst.state.ks.us
the latter of which redirects back to the .com

I give up. Just remember if you're looking for the President, it's whitehouse.gov. Please remember that.

#183 Rayra

Everytime somebody loses his/her gonadal tissue, it's Bush's fault.

#181 Amalie

A woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.

I forgot. I am also a chickenhawk.

A Fascist Oppressor Imperialist Racist Hatemongering Latina Chickenhawk

It is so sad to see these names, from the postal codes where I grew up (E10, E17).

It's sadder still that my fellow Muslims would even consider doing something as heinous as this.

I really am, lost for words.

Umar Islam, 28, (born Brian Young) High Wycombe

These white converts are the most dangerous, they are zealous and able to arouse little suspicion unless their doing the bearded Imam look

#178 jcm

Let everyone with a carry permit, carry on an airplane. When was the last time you heard of someone with a carry permit committing a crime or having a bad shoot? Any time it happens the media is all over it, and you never hear about it happening.

Psst, a few days ago, in Seattle, in a Jewish Center, but that's a whole 'nuther story/Question.

Hey, Charles, another hat tip from JPOST:

Reutersgate strikes other news outlets:

As was demonstrated in the case with the Reuters photograph, blogs come with their own teams of investigators: the thousands of readers who stream through the site. Within hours of Charles Johnson's posting on Little Green Footballs, readers of the Web site had gone to work uncovering an array of damning evidence against Hajj, the most serious of which - a second doctored photograph, an Israeli plane altered to make it look as though it was dropping a series of bombs - may have pushed Reuters to fire Hajj after initially announcing that the freelance photographer would be suspended. That photograph, which was discovered by blogger Rusty Shackleford of The Jawa Report, included an illustrated account of how the photos had been doctored.

#181 Amalie--

Don't EVEN make me call you on the phone and recite the Pledge of Allegiance in Latin. 'Cause I can do it. AND YOU DON'T WANT THAT.

Anyway.

My final thought on the topic. Or maybe not. I travel a fair amount for work. I had it down to a science--TO A FRIGGIN SCIENCE--exactly how much I could pack in carry-on for a 7 to 10 day trip. All in carryon. No risk of baggage lost, no waiting at the destination baggage carousel.

And now these latest islamofacists have fucked it all up.

I hate them EVEN MORE.

#181 Amalie

Bubbles, you're talkin' in tongues again.

180 transient

We are pretty lucky. Imagine if they'd been planning on attendng a big turbo-lib eastern college or a place like berkeley? There's no way those places would have reported them as truant!

Has the British press mentioned that none of them are Anglicans?

#178 jcm 8/10/2006 09:37PM PDT

Let everyone with a carry permit, carry on an airplane. When was the last time you heard of someone with a carry permit committing a crime or having a bad shoot? Any time it happens the media is all over it, and you never hear about it happening.

Average flight 2-3 passengers carrying. Note: you cannot bring an airplane down with a handgun.

my father flew for ozark airlines back in the fiftys. his route went from chicago to minnesota and the dakotas. every fall, hunters would fill the plane. the stewardess would ask them if the guns were unloaded, then they'd stuff them under the seats.

nobody thought anything of it. probably wouldn't work today. people just aren't as responsible. they couldn't handle it.

#178 JCM

I agree entirely. I am a strong believer in CCW permit holders being allowed to carry on planes.

I know many who are both current and retired military or law-enforcement. I would rather put my life in their hands, than some bored looking kid wearing a TSA uniform, who's counting the minutes till his next break.

PS. I travel through Dulles all the time. Is it just me or are all of the initial screeners there, Muslim?

That does not make me feel comfortable at all... and I'm a Muslim too.

Yeah, Amalie. They got one in Minneapolis. I was all prepared to scour the nudie bars in search of them, too. I still have Saturday afternoon free if we haven't found them all by then. Just doin' my part.

#185 Promethea

I think this is a good point, however:

Dogs are dumber than most (not all) people. (And I'm a dog lover.) Training up enough dogs would be harder than training up enough people.

Since all the dogs need handlers, it's not much cheaper than paying for the security staff, but would be cheaper than the chemical testing equipment.

#195 Occasional Reader 8/10/2006 09:44PM PDT

#181 Amalie--

Don't EVEN make me call you on the phone and recite the Pledge of Allegiance in Latin. 'Cause I can do it. AND YOU DON'T WANT THAT.

yikes!

Anyway.

My final thought on the topic. Or maybe not. I travel a fair amount for work. I had it down to a science--TO A FRIGGIN SCIENCE--exactly how much I could pack in carry-on for a 7 to 10 day trip. All in carryon. No risk of baggage lost, no waiting at the destination baggage carousel.

And now these latest islamofacists have fucked it all up.

I hate them EVEN MORE.

Semper ubi sub ubi ubique!

But dogs have a much better sense of smell..

#201 Mike Charlie--

and I'm a Muslim too

Can you clone yourself or something? Islam needs more of you.

#191 pegcity

An excellent point that should be kept in mind by those who are pushing profiling as the solution to the problem. The good news is that the shortage of available shaheeds might force Ibrahim Hooper off the bench.

#204 Amalie

Semper ubi sub ubi ubique!

#72 Amalie

No carryon's, no clothes, no glasses.. just naked asses

Make up your damned mind!

#194 Rayra

And that's got fuck all with some fantasy that America / Bush directly controls their actions (and are thus to blame, no matter what happens)

Yep. Bush's fault, just because.

#202 Noam Sayin' 8/10/2006 09:47PM PDT

Yeah, Amalie. They got one in Minneapolis. I was all prepared to scour the nudie bars in search of them, too. I still have Saturday afternoon free if we haven't found them all by then. Just doin' my part.

Very brave of you, Noam.. I hope you don't fall into the clutches of the Lap Dancers..

:D

What I want to know is, why is it that we couldn't ask the Brits to make the raids just two days earlier to help out our good friend Joe Liberman before primary day? When it might have actually made a difference? I mean come on, was there a Kos mole in MI5 denying the request? Or perhaps in the NSA?

The timing seems highly suspicious to me, I mean really.. it seems so completely obvious it's some sort of DU/Kos conspiracy that this bust came just after the election..

And the sheeple go and vote without a clue of the real shenanigans going on...

#205 rayra

From what I recall of my last few flights, women are poatted down or "felt up" by other
women.

So we waste our time on American girls instead of searching muslims? It totally defies logic, wastes time and money. We should put all muslims in psychiatric hospital gowns until they get their "extremists" in line (and 6 feet under ground)

Dundalk? Bwhahahaha! I know how they got caught. No mullets.

===

Funtimes over.

Dundalk is also home to Seagirt Marine Terminal, one of the largest marine shipping terminals on the East Coast, (if not the largest).

Lots of other potential targets within a half hours drive of Dundalk, especially to the south...

Lots of potential safe houses for terrorists in the area too.

===

WIDE
AWAKE,
R

OR,

My final thought on the topic. Or maybe not. I travel a fair amount for work. I had it down to a science--TO A FRIGGIN SCIENCE--exactly how much I could pack in carry-on for a 7 to 10 day trip. All in carryon. No risk of baggage lost, no waiting at the destination baggage carousel.

And now these latest islamofacists have fucked it all up.

I hate them EVEN MORE.

Yeah right, you working. I'll believe it when I see it.

Speaking of work, my professional life just took a turn for the surreal. I got a negative job performance evaluation (which I am appealing) but I essentially got a promotion and a host of added responsibilities.

Another case of life imitating Office Space.

210 Piltdown Man

I can't! I am a woman.

#146 Brace . . .

They need to be treated as spies, if we still know how to do that.

Referring to the Egyptians students who got lost...I would throw them into Guantanamo and let the shriekers shriek. Word would get out that you don't mess with the U.S.

Next step...heads on pikes outside the city walls...but maybe we can wait a few years before we go on to this next step.

However, I would not rule it out.

just as i thought,...

those pesky quakers...

wont they just leave us alone..

#204 Amalie--

Semper ubi sub ubi ubique!

Yes, indeed, Uzis are always quite ubiquous. I attribute it to their robust construction and superb reliability.

#68 Noam Sayin' -

Oh yeah, I like it - Welcome aboard, sir. May I see your ticket? Thank you! Here's your seat, Steve. And your pillow and blanket. Here's your headset. And there next to your armrest is your gift for flying as a secure pre-confirmed frequent flyer. When you fly again, with us or anyone, just check it in and we'll make absolutely it's by your right armrest.

It just might work.

If it helps, I just caught some dude says his name is Apu Nahassapeemapetelan.

#217 Amalie

I hear you roar.

OT

I hope this good deed goes unpunished:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

# 204

Is that..always wear underwear everywhere?

I think I need LATIN FOR DUMMIES to continue reading this site.

I can't wait to hear how this represents a "broad strata" of British society from a NY Times or Canadian paper article. Seems to me like those are all males... wouldn't a "broad strata" include females? Does 50% of the population just not count, or are women not important enough to be considered part of the strata?

I know how women are respected and held in the highest esteem in the Muslim world...

#216 Dirk--

Yeah right, you working. I'll believe it when I see it.

I should have known that a post involving the words "how much I could pack in" would draw a response from you, given your ongoing fascination with hard core you know what.

I got a negative job performance evaluation (which I am appealing) but I essentially got a promotion and a host of added responsibilities.

Kind of the opposite here, I just got an absolutely stellar performance review, during which I had to bite my tongue to keep myself from screaming "BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE TIME I SPEND F__KING OFF ON LGF? DIDN'T YOU NOTICE?!"

# 218 Promethea:

Referring to the Egyptians students who got lost.

The least we should do is reduce our jizzya to Egypt by the amount it cost us to search for their wayward students.

I would throw them into Guantanamo and let the shriekers shriek. Word would get out that you don't mess with the U.S.

Next step...heads on pikes outside the city walls...but maybe we can wait a few years before we go on to this next step.

Heads on pikes at airports and other points of entry. I wouldn't want jihadis to miss the visual.

#222 greggriffith

If it helps, I just caught some dude says his name is Apu Nahassapeemapetelan.

Apu is an idolator. Ganesha is his cup of tea.

ubiquous = ubiquitous

I am ignoring the Iron Fist Rule at my peril.

Kind of the opposite here, I just got an absolutely stellar performance review, during which I had to bite my tongue to keep myself from screaming "BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE TIME I SPEND F__KING OFF ON LGF? DIDN'T YOU NOTICE?!"

I suspect they know about my time here and reluctant to make an issue of it because my boss spends just as much time farting around on the internet.

Oh well.

#225 Mountain Soldier

Speaking of al-NYT, this is a bit OTT, but relevant to what they are and sadly were in the 1930's and 1940's: If today's New York Times editors were in charge in 1943

The .gif can be enlarged.

Ya know, if the inconvenience gets too much more than the current high-blood-pressure security hassles - I mean, when I can't even bring bottled water on board a plane so I don't get dehydrated and get a sinus infection, and can't bring jars of fresh honey to my friends - when we are all held prisoner here - it may be time to flip the coin to the other side.

Ban all known Muslims and Arabs from boarding commercial aircraft. Just like a restaurant can hang a sign saying they can refuse service to anyone. Last time I looked, airlines were privately owned enterprises.

If they have a need to fly, let them start their own airline - Allah Fubar Air.

Let's see if they can make an economic go of it.

If not? F'em. I'm tired of letting them crowd us further and further into a behavioral corner.

#216 Dirk Diggler

Another case of life imitating Office Space.

Uhh...yeah...I'm going to neeed you to stay after work for about ten hours to work on those TPS reports. If you could do that it would be greeeat.

#232--

Ban all known Muslims and Arabs from boarding commercial aircraft. Just like a restaurant can hang a sign saying they can refuse service to anyone.

FYI, a restaurant in the US cannot legally hang a sign saying "we refuse service to all Arabs (or blacks or Jews or whatever).

#198 rayra

#132 Roger 8/10/2006 09:07PM PDT

Possibly the average age of these dodos matches the average age of the KosKids?

I'll bet the average age of Kossacks is 56. An infantile 56, at that.

I figure there's two separate demographics: clueless college student Che-wannabes who've never had to be responsible for anything in their lives, and aging hippies, bitter that the glorious Socialist Revolution never came, and righteously pissed that they never saw the conservatives lined up against the wall.

#204 Amalie

Semper ubi sub ubi ubique!

Isn't that an old Catholic School joke?

;^)

This is different than Woolworth's banning blacks from the lunch counter in Montgomery, Alabama in 1960.

That was based on skin color alone, with no corroborating threat of violence to Woolworth's.

Banning Arabs and Muslims from commercial airlines can be justified by the attendant atrocities being committed by Muslims and Arabs all over the world these days.

Case in point: One Hallowe'en I dressed as a baseball player and hit the local bar scene. After awhile, the bartender beckoned me over, and without a word suddenly and roughly grabbed my bat and tried to wrench it out of my hands, without so much as asking for it.

I yanked back and a scene ensued that involved the cops. It all ended without too much ado - the relevant dialogue being that the bartender explained that he took the bat because it possibly could have been used as a weapon, and that I explained that had the bartender explained this and actually asked for the bat, instead of suddenly seizing it without a word to me, I would have let him hold it for me.

The bartender had the right to ask for my bat.

The airlines have the right not to fly Arabs and Muslims.

All based on the potential for violence on a proprietor's property (which both a bar and an airliner are).

And the airlines may have a stronger case than the bartender.

232...well,...
maybe airlinescould get together and create their own security protocols that were above and beyond the govs...

preapproved passage to thosefrequently flying the friendly skies,...separate from the nsa and all that smack,...like a private club asopposed toa public airline,...wow,...i need somecoffee,...and some punctuation...

#159 techno_barbarian
Bwhahahahahaa!
That's brilliant.
Thank God for Jack Daniels.
Ok. I'll shut up now.

Now I really am frightened and confused.

#234 Occasional Reader

I know what you're saying, in an antebellum sense. But in a time of war, judgments have to be made. If the Arab threat against the airlines continues, yes they may have to do so. There will be a court battle.

But you are talking racists and restaurants and I am talking murderers and airplanes.

As many have said, wait until the first nuke.

These things won't have to go through the courts anymore. They will be done as common sense actions to protect the public good.

It's a shame that the innocent have to suffer for the deeds of a few.

But in the words of the old saying, one bad apple can spoil the bunch.

#152 Noam Sayin'

#133 Way too long, Stringart. I give it 5:00 pm, GMT: 11 Aug, 2006.

That'll make the Noon Eastern news bumps.

I originally was going to pick Friday but had to change it to Saturday because it'll take until at least 5:00 PM Friday for them to figure out that the toilets face the wrong way. Oh, the humanity.

Anyway by then everyone will have gone home for the day and it'll take until Saturday to find someone to whine at and a reporter to breathlessly announce said torture.

So, Saturday, 3:00 PM GMT.

I'm no terrorism expert or anything, and maybe I'm grasping at straws here. . . I don't you tell me. Is it just me or is there one thing in common between these guys and the guys who blew up the train in London, and that one in Madrid, oh and that one in India, oh and that other one in the south Pacific, and in all those Israeli restaurants. . . there's something oddly similar about all of them. And didn't something big happen in New York like five years ago. I seem to remember seeing something (it's hard cuz I can't remember anything that's not on the Jon Stewart show within the past week). . . like something with airplanes. I don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion these guys have something in common. I just can't put my finger on it.

Who would have thought the Amish would resort to terror?

#231 NY Nana

At least under that scenario dead Jews would have been on the front page. The reality of the NYT in 1943 was much worse -- they ran small articles on Page 23 and beyond actually stating accurate numbers of dead and never saw fit to put it closer to the front page.

#237 Bluegrass Boy

maybe airlinescould get together and create their own security protocols that were above and beyond the govs...

Whoa! Call the ACLU! That's D.I.S.C.R.I.M.I.N.A.T.I.O.N. writ real large.

Does Reuters have any workshopped photographs of the suspects?

Perhaps one with smoke coming out of their ears.

#239 antisocial_ist

As many have said, wait until the first nuke.

These things won't have to go through the courts anymore. They will be done as common sense actions to protect the public good.

By martial law.

#241 Sergio

Yep. They didn't get laid enough, so they were frustrated.

#157 xbx:

i wonder, when would be a non-suspicious time to foil a terrorist plot, in their opinions?

When a liberal Democrat is President of the U.S.

And it has to be a really really liberal Democrat President. The ultra-Lefty moonbats I used to argue with, actually told me in all seriousness that they considered Kerry to be a conservative.

#9 Brickthruplateglasswindow

If we're playing Muhammads, I think I got you beat, cuz a double Muhammad beats a pair of Alis or three of a kind Abu.

[Link: cbs2chicago.com...]

It's time to say goodnight, but I'll leave y'all with this:

did anyone notice in that story about the "loyal American" Hezbollah supporters in Dearborn that nowhere in the story (and certainly nowhere in the interviews) does anyone mention the truck bombing of the Marine Corps barracks in Beirut by Hezbollah? How many Marines died in that one?

And remember, the Marines were there specifically as peacekeepers, specifically so that Israel could get the hell out of there (and of course the only reason they were there in the first place was because Lebanon had turned into a base for Palestinian terrorism into Israel).

None of that history is mentioned in the article. Just people who can't seem to see any contradiction with being "fiercely loyal Americans" and being Hezbollah supporters.

Reminds me a bit of some of the stuff I'm hearing from the various imams and muslim community leaders in London right now.

are they all Pakistani, or just most of them?

#239 antisocial_ist:

As many have said, wait until the first nuke. These things won't have to go through the courts anymore. They will be done as common sense actions to protect the public good.

I don't even know if that's true. During the Cold War, the U.S. Government had instituted a program called "Continuity of Government (COG)", which was the plan for how the government would run during and after a nuclear war. It may still be available today. As part of the plan, in the event of a nuclear attack, the President and his Vice President and Cabinet, the Congress, the Supreme Court Justices and the Governors of the Federal Reserve Banks would all be taken to secure locations to hopefully survive the attack.

After the U.S. had been devastated in a nuclear attack, I cannot imagine what the Supreme Court would be ruling on. But they were supposed to survive the attack.

And if the lawyers from the ACLU survived the nuclear attack, I suspect they would be running to the Supreme Court just like they always do.

Asians. Nothing but a bunch of Disgruntled Asians.

We have to stop pushing the Asians around. It just creates more terrorists.

/moonbat

#252 rightside,

Right you are. You have described the Cold War, ICBM scenario. And they DO say that lawyers and cockroaches (and Keith Richards) will survive!

Have to say that I think things have changed. The nuke attack will come from freighters off shore, with insufficient time to save the government officials, or from nukes smuggled in in containers.

I think that the ACLU would have a hard time getting heard amid the tumult. In spite of the softening of our national character, we would see the rest of the country rise up in a rage that surpassed Pearl Harbor, and yes, I do believe Arabs would be rounded up across the country - many by informal citizen militias - and interned.

I am not trying to be racist about this. I am viewing this through the lens of long years of studying war, especially WWII.

Unfair or not, no court order will make it safe for Muslims around the country after even one nuking. Armed Americans will begin to take the law into their own hands to the point that the surviving government agencies will actually have to take Arab Muslims into long-term custody for their safety.

Not wishing for any of this. Just making an educated guess as to the way things might go if things go really bad in the world.

they did say they were from Asia when the news first broke.

you know, that one part.

rayra, I'm really tired of your crap. What "hysteria"? Are you vocabulary-challenged? Everyone who doesn't agree with you is "hysterical"? People are here to discuss things and will continue to do so in spite of your attempts to shut it down.

ibmkeyboard (#124)

Call me old-fashioned, but an army halted moments before invasion does not strike me as some sort of brilliant scheme.

If there is battle fatigue, which I'm not sure there is, why did they decide to address it moments away from invasion?

Something stinks here and I can't figure out what it is.

Under US Pressure, Israel Delays Expanded Offensive

Jerusalem, Israel (AHN) - Just hours after approving a significant expansion of ground operations against Hezbollah, Israel's government Wednesday ordered some 40,000 Israeli troops set to enter Lebanon to halt their advance in order to give the international community more time to piece together a ceasefire.

The sudden turn around reportedly came under heavy US pressure.

Senior government officials cited by The Jerusalem Post said Israel will likely delay the new offensive for 2-3 days, but will promptly move ahead with plans to defeat Hezbollah if a ceasefire cannot be worked out by the weekend.

Speaking to Israel Radio, cabinet minister Rafi Eitan explained the government's apparent wavering by saying, "There are diplomatic considerations. There is still a chance that an international force will arrive in he area."

Via Lumpy.

CAIR's gonna be sooo mad at this one:

One of the arrested, about halfway down the list:

Ibrahim Savant

You can't make this stuff up.

they did say they were from Asia when the news first broke.

In the UK -- and South Africa -- Indians, for example, are referred to as Asians. It's different terminology, is all. The UK reporting that they were from Asia is perfectly acceptable.

#257, zulubaby,

I was thinking the one silver lining to this UK thing was that the IDF could let 'er rip in Lebanon without the bright spotlight of media scrutiny and really clean out some of the Hez's rats' nests.

I am really upset to see them pull back.

tradewind, it's clear that Bush "gets it", so why would he pressure Israel to pull back when they're fighting the same war Bush is fighting?

Analysis: IDF fumes over denied victory

The booms of Katyusha rockets continued; another day of what has become routine in the North. But the IDF was holding position, waiting for orders that did not come. After 30 days of fighting, the war with Hizbullah seemed to be nearing its conclusion Thursday.

Just a day earlier, the situation had looked drastically different. The security cabinet had approved the army's request to send thousands of troops up to the Litani River and beyond in an effort to destroy Hizbullah's infrastructure and to stop the Katyusha attacks. After the cabinet meeting, one division actually began moving north from Metulla. Its goal - to clear out al-Khiam and Marjayoun and to reach the Litani.

But then, under pressure from the US, Defense Minister Amir Peretz made a frantic call to Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz and ordered him to stop the division in its tracks. "We need to give the diplomatic process one last chance," Peretz told Halutz. The orders trickled down the chain of command and by the time they reached 366, it had already reached Marjayoun, a stone's throw from the Litani.

With the UN Security Council on the verge of passing a cease-fire resolution, the IDF understood on Thursday that Operation Change of Direction was ending, for better or for worse.

SwampWoman (#187)

#183 Rayra

Everytime somebody loses his/her gonadal tissue, it's Bush's fault.

And every time somebody doesn't worship Bush the way you do, they're accused of being hysterical and having no spine.

You should know me better than that by now, but feel free to continue slinging the insults -- I no longer care about people who don't care about me.

You think you know better than the people who are involved? If so, please tell me about it. My life, my family, all of Israel is at stake here, and your main concern is about some perceived insult to Bush. You need to take stock.

Maybe it's to allow for a chance to show that Hezbollah won't keep any peace agreement, and that nothing else remains but to crush them.

Meanwhile the prime minister and Defense Minister Amir Peretz instructed the army to put the next phase of its ground operation in south Lebanon on hold to prevent further escalation and after the White House apparently made it clear that such a move would be detrimental to the diplomatic efforts.

I'll find more, not to worry.

Ceasefire Plan Does Not Eliminate Hizbullah Threat

In Jerusalem, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz have put the next stage of the IDF anti-Hizbullah offensive in southern Lebanon on hold, realizing a stepped-up offensive at this time would compromise White House efforts to broker a ceasefire. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is expressing cautious optimism, but has decided not to permit Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni to travel to New York to address the Security Council, fearing such a move would increase pressure on Israel.

At least 30 tanks have been totally destroyed or seriously damaged in bomb and anti-tank rocket attacks involving state-of-the-art Russian anti-tank rockets.

Russian savages have always armed the Islamic savages so as to better slaughter Jews.

But why are they targeting muslims in anti terror operations? It's discrimination! Can't they arrest the same number of Jews who are about to commit mass murder? That would be fair!

Now, which Jews are currently plotting to blow up half a dozen jumbo jets over the Atlantic? Anyone got any names? No...?

I don't just suppose that muspigs are the only group of 'people' (?) in the UK who are in the mass murder business? Maybe?

Yes but how can we tell if they are muslims? The MSM seems to think they are from Pakistan.

These belong to the 10 percent of the muslims population that hates itself so much, they wish to kill themselves ... no wait those are left leaning democrats. I have a hard time telling them apart these days.

According to one article I read, all 24 -- not 19 -- suspects are British-born.

What is interesting is that this particular generation of Muslims are such jihad-addicts. They are not from some undeveloped disgusting country where "terrorism is bred through poverty" or some other crap -- they are British. Why would they ruin their lives, and those of their families, for this? I used to think that the only real antidote to jihad was capitalism. Evidently that is not true at all.

Well this is comforting.

Chertoff: Not certain all plotters found

WASHINGTON - The well-advanced plot to blow up airliners flying from Britain to the United States had the markings of al-Qaida, and it's not yet certain that authorities have found everyone involved, the Homeland Security secretary says.

British authorities arrested 24 people on Thursday based partly on intelligence from Pakistan. More arrests were expected, the official said. The suspects were believed to be mainly British Muslims, at least some of Pakistani ancestry.

From here.

Also, that at least two of them are converts to Islam. Blah.

It's time to ban all Muslims from flying.

theres an Arafat in there!

I have not seen anything in the proposed cease fire agreement that says that Israel has to make an immediate withdrawal. Yes, Zulubaby, I realize that the lives of your family depend on these decisions, which is why it would be the height of stupidity for your government to make decisions based upon anything except the good of the country. Blaming Bush for decisions that your government made freely is counterproductive and, in my opinion, quite wrong. You need to hold your government accountable for the way they prosecute the war, not somebody else's.

SwampWoman, I wasn't blaming Bush, and I hold the Israeli government responsible. But it's not just the Israeli government, the US is always involved, whether you're happy or comfortable with that, or not.

What makes it difficult is the lack of discussion. It's not about blame, it's about trying to figure out what is going on. This is a forum -- we discuss, we share ideas and information -- you know the deal. I don't like the abuse every time someone dares to question Bush. That is counterproductive. It's actually un-American.