This burns me up.

"Yes, we will play nice, but we're still going to kill you."

A Texan, a Frenchman and an Israeli are on a plane flying over the Pacific Ocean when the engines stop functioning. The plane crash lands on a Pacific Island and the 3 are immediately captured by a tribe of cannibals and taken to their village.
The Chief tells the 3 captives that these cannibals are civilized and they have a custom on their island that before they eat anyone, they grant that person his or her last wishes, no matter what they are.

He asks the Texan, "What is your last wish?"

The Texan replies: "I want a 2 inch thick steak with all the trimmings, Cajun fries and a case of Bud." The Chief motions to some of his tribesmen who immediately run into the jungle and come back with the steak, the fries and the beer. The Texan eats his meal and he is thrown in the pot.

The Frenchman is asked: "What is your last wish?"

He replies: "I'd like a case of Dom Perignon and I'd also like a big plate of escargots cooked in the French manner." The Chief motions to his tribesmen who immediately rush off into the jungle and bring back everything the Frenchman asked for. He eats and drinks his fill, and he is then thrown in the pot.

The Chief turns to the Israeli and asks, "And what is your wish?"

The Israeli looks the Chief squarely in the eyes and replies: "I want you to kick me in the behind as hard as you can." The Chief is bewildered and asks the Israeli again, only to receive the same reply. "I want you to kick me in the behind as hard as you can." The Chief shrugs his shoulders, asks the Israeli to turn around, and kicks him as hard as he can. With that the Israeli pulls out a gun and kills the Chief and all of the other cannibals.

The Texan and the Frenchman get out of the pot, look at the Israeli and say: "If you had that gun why didn't you do anything sooner?"

The Israeli replies: " And risk being condemned by the United Nations, The European countries and the State Department for 'overreacting' to insufficent provocation ?"

Sorry if this has been posted -- but Cindy Sheehan was hospitalized yesterday for dehydration ... and uterine bleeding:

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

Anti-war demonstrator Cindy Sheehan was hospitalized Friday evening for dehydration and exhaustion after fasting for more than a month and protesting earlier this week in 100-degree weather...

Sheehan, who has been on a liquid diet as part of the nationwide "Troops Home Fast" hunger strike ... also underwent additional tests for uterine bleeding, her sister Dede Miller said.

The war has not ended

Uh?

OK. Let's take delivery of masses of MLRS and nice anti-dirtmonkey Steel Rain munitions in the meantime...

This was the first round Nazirallah.

It may be a tie, but the next round belongs to the IDF.

This ain't over by a long shot...

Were I Israel I would suddenly get a terrible hearing problem and just do what needs to be done.

The big laugher here is the country that will be leading the vanguard of the "peacekeepers".

Drumroll please...the French!

Yes the country long known for its ability to fight with its feet is going to be supplying the bigest contingent of "peacekeepers"...or "smurfs" if you like, given their blue uniforms.

Sigh. I gues the end-times are a comin'.

The Bush administration is falling on it's ass here.

Giuliani 2008!

May the UN slide into the East River and be no more.

The part he didn't address is whether rocket fire comes under the heading of "fighting". This is not going to play out well. The Israelis are going to retreat, and Hezbollah will go back to firing rockets, this time with 15,000 human shields to make it almost impossible for Israel to hit back.

And no, the troops aren't going to restrain Hezbollah.

"Today nothing has changed and it appears tomorrow nothing will change," he said, in reference to Israel's push by thousands more troops and armor into the country on Saturday, within hours of the U.N. adopting the cease-fire resolution by a unanimous vote.

LOL. Yeah, well the "U.N." isn't fighting anyone so it really doesn't matter what that signed a cease fire now does it?

This is the functional meltdown of the UN.

It will be better for the victory of good over evil to ignore the UN from here on out.

Keep being brave with other peoples lives Nasrallah, the IAF can reach you in your spider-hole in the Iranian Embassy in Damascus.

Yet more proof that thugs like Nasrallah can not be trusted so the only option is to kill enough of them to make the others stop.

You mean there'll be no "Peace in our time"?

Shocking!

I don't see why the heck Israel is going in on this.

I'm pissed.

More MLRS stuff for those interested:

The Multiple Launch Rocket System is a versatile weapon system that supplements traditional cannon artillery fires by delivering large volumes of firepower in a short time against critical, time-sensitive targets. These targets often include enemy artillery, air defense systems, mechanized units, and personnel. MLRS units can use their system's "shoot and scoot" capability to survive while providing fire support for attacking manuever elements. MLRS is not intended to replace cannon artillery, but has been designed to complement it.

MLRS performed extremely well in Operation Desert Storm (ODS) in which significant numbers of launchers were deployed. All operational requirement were met and, in most cases, exceeded levels for readiness, reliability and maintainability.

The new MLRS launcher also has improved fire control and launcher mechanical systems, according to officials. A single launcher can deliver 12 rockets and cover an area roughly the size of six football fields in one minute with 7,728 anti-personnel bomblets. The new launcher also is capable of firing more munitions.

Hezbollah leader says will not block approval of resolution

11 minutes ago

BEIRUT (AFP) - Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah has said a UN resolution calling for an end to hostilities between his group and
Israel was not fair but that Hezbollah would not stand in the way of its approval by the Lebanese government. ...

#3 earth56

LOL! That would be even funnier if it were so GODDAMN TRUE!

In fact, when the islamos used an explosive packed ambulance (IIRC) to blow up that UN post in Iraq, and the UN didn't immediately declare war on the islamo ***rs, well, the UN was finished in my eyes.

*spit*

This "cease-fire" is extremely tenuous and will not hold.This war is far from over.If hizbollah is the first to violate the agreement ( most likely the case and Israel is still given the right to self defense,a part of the agreement the Lebanese gov't is not happy about-this leads me to wonder if this agreement isn't some sort of a set-up to lure hizbollah into being the first violator)it will allow Israel to go back into Lebanon with no holds barred.There is more to this than what we see on the surface.

See my #16 please.

This is not over yet.

The UNSC resolution is but a piece of paper.

i'm confident this cease fire is a well thought out strategic and tactical maneuver.
...imo this is one part of an overall plan.

I support muslim on muslim violence

America will Crush Jihad, Dhimmitude, and Sharia

Why shouldn't the Hezzies be happy? The French are saying openly that they do not intend to force them to disarm:

[Link: reuters.myway.com...]

French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy made clear in an interview with Le Monde newspaper that the mission of the larger UNIFIL would not include disarming Hizbollah by force.
"We never thought a purely military solution could resolve the problem of Hizbollah," he said. "We are agreed on the goal, the disarmament, but for us the means are purely political."

#10 Earth2moonbat

The part he didn't address is whether rocket fire comes under the heading of "fighting". This is not going to play out well. The Israelis are going to retreat, and Hezbollah will go back to firing rockets, this time with 15,000 human shields to make it almost impossible for Israel to hit back.

And no, the troops aren't going to restrain Hezbollah.

And when Israel is forced to re-enter Lebanon and starts driving its force north of the border, you'll see the UN farces forces parting wider than did the Red Sea.

Covering an area the size of 6 football fields (banana plantation, anyone?) with 7,000+ anti-personnel bomblets in one minute?

Sounds like the Hezb'allah Katyusha crews might be in for some nice surprises...

OT
Any of my fellow lizardoids going to any of the rallies today? I think a few of you might be...I'll be in SF counter protesting ANSWER.

#20 mingjaiy

You may be correct. But the thing is that Hezbollah gets time to recover and ready for another suicidal mission. When Hassan Nasrallah says that he supports the resolution, you bet that it's not good for Israel.

Hello?

Be sure to click on the Claudia Rosett link and read UNSC DRAFT RESOLUTION 1701-Plus...

... Calls for even the worst hypocrites on this same Security Council to stop huffing and puffing their way through resolutions that equate democratic states with totalitarian regimes and their terrorist shock troops, and instead recognize that Iran and Syria today have already declared war not only on Israel, but on the entire Free World,

Affirming the need to end this growing fascist threat,

Calls for the free nations of the world to bring together a robust, international force with the express aim of removing, as swiftly as possible, and by whatever means necessary, the terrorist-sponsoring regimes in Tehran and Damascus,

Noting that this might require going outside the U.N. to form a Coalition of the Honest, due to various despotic and hypocritical lobbying blocks which too often dictate the agenda not only for such kangaroo courts as the U.N. Human Rights Council, but for the Security Council itself,

Suggesting that this Coalition be prepared, after dealing with the Middle East, to proceed to North Korea, ...

There are fools that think that you can talk someone out killing you. Most of them seem to work for the UN.

what i'm suggesting is that TWO can play the hudna game...

#26 Golden Jerusalem

Hey, what are you talking about?

Surely, Israel and the United States have something up the sleeve...Bush may have some shortcomings but being a coward and not willing to take the heat are not in the man's character.

I refuse to believe this appears as promised. Not when a majority of the constituents in both countries are demanding that Hizballah be smashed.

If I'm wrong, I'm going to be eating one big crow on this board for a long time.

#34 goodbye_natalie
I said the same thing yesterday.
We can share that crow.

I'm wondering ... what finally demonstrated conclusively that the League of Nations was a farce?

Just for comparison?

#33 Indian Tiger:

Hey, what are you talking about?

See #5, 16 for reference.

It's what I thought we may have lacked on the battlefield. Ability to saturate a target area with anti-personnel munitions.

Thing is, the IDF already have MLRS systems, so I suspect the delivery may be of newer systems capable of

Covering an area the size of 6 football fields (banana plantation, anyone?) with 7,000+ anti-personnel bomblets in one minute?

Sounds like the Hezb'allah Katyusha crews might be in for some nice surprises...

#17 J.D.

"It (the resolution) is unjust and unfair because it held Hezbollah responsible for starting the aggression."

A-boo-hoo-hoo

A theory on why Isael and the U.S. are agreeing to this cease-fire, and the employment of U.N. and Lebanese troops in South Lebanon is allowed:

Rocket attacks and kidnappings of a few people, both heinous terrorist crimes that do deserve very forceful replies, are not where we need to keep our eyes focused. These acts of barbarity pale in comparison to the apocalyptic threat to the future of every single life in Israel - Iran's march to get a nuclear weapon.

If we start viewing everything Israel does in Gaza and Lebanon through the prism of Iran's nuclear program being destroyed some things start to make more sense. If Israel (or the U.S.) is to planning on removing Iran's nuclear capability with bombardment, this might better explain the acceptance of U.N. and Lebanese "peacekeepers" (guffaw) in southern Lebanon.

If Iran is to be attacked by Israel, I imagine that large numbers of Muslims in the Mid-East will explode in fevered riots, stormings of embassies, etc. If thousands of Israeli troops were in Lebanon, they'd be vulnerable to reprisals. They would be safer in Israel. Maybe many of those in Lebanon now would be needed in Israel to man anti-missile defenses and for defense of Israel against reprisals. Alos, maybe it's a good idea to have the U.N. in south Lebanon because these crazed rioters and terrorists will no doubt attack whoever is there - Israelis or BlueHelmeters. Better to have the U.N. deal with that while Israelis have their hands full with Iran.

Maybe this also explains Israel's leaving Gaza - they're trying to pull in those Jews most exposed to being slaughtered when the Muslims completely lose it after Iran is attacked.

This is only a theory, and if Israel is leaving Lebanon without the reason being that they're looking down the road at a much more serious threat, it's a disastrous move. If Israel is doing this because of planned attacks on Iran, maybe it's not a bad idea.

Considering how Israel has not been nearly forceful in replying to terrorists the last couple of decades, I'm not confident that this is the reason they're leaving Lebanon, but maybe it's the reason.

“Death to Israel! Death to America!” Hezbollah agenda. Iran’s President Ahmadinejad, enjoying yet another confirmation of the U.N.’s mincing impotence in the face of guns, bombs, rockets, and terror, will continue his fevered preparations to roll out the nuclear bomb.

Iran,
Primary Target.

Didn't Hezbollah state that it was the
only armed force that could protect
Lebanon from the Israeli's?

Can someone here point to an example
where Hezbollah successfully defended
a Lebanese citizen/village/town/city
from an IAF/IDF attack?

At the end of the day, Hezbollah
provided absolutely no defensive
value what-so-ever to Lebanon.

I still somewhat amazed that the
results of this war - with Israeli
troops on Enemy Soil and not a
SINGLE invader in Israel proper -
can be considered anything other
than an Israeli victory.

The French and Lebanese are more likely to fight Israel. Remember France did more fighting with Germany in the last big one.

The MLRS looks so innocuous, boxes on a Bradley chassis. No turret or gun... Ka-boom!

Claudia Rosett calls the U.N. impotent. Maybe, but it appears to me that they are actually working on the side of the Islamofascists. They appear impotent because they do nothing in the face of terrorist aggression, but by doing nothing (except for the occasional condemnation of Israel for defending itself) they give solace to the terrorists. They are actively working against the interests of the civilized world, or what's left of it.

#37 Golden Jerusalem

Wow...That weapon is wicked. How long before Israel gets it?

#38 Killgore Trout
I always think of The Whiners on SNL...many many moons ago...

#35 J.D.,

The reason I believe Bush is holding his cards is that I have always believed the real power brokers in Bush's cabinet are Cheney, Rumsfield, and now I would possibly add Bolton to that mix.

Colin Powell was a revered media figure in the first administration but he was never a player as indicated by him not being welcome shortly thereafter. Hard to believe that same crowd than ran off Powell is simply going to sit on their hands and let Rice practice the same rules of not finishing the fight.

Cheney may be a bastard to work with - but he's the bastard I want in my corner. I don't think there's a smarter player in Washington than the man and I am glad he's on my side.

Good Day Lizards!

Here's a cool satellite view of the ass-wuppin' the IDF is giving the Hezbos-

Beirut - Before and After

# 32 grionpull

You see the glass as "half full" and I sure hope you are right. Still I gotta wonder what the state department is up to here.

At the very least, Olmert should stand in the UN and say he will sign the ceasefire "as soon as the three captured Israeli's are delivered to this room unharmed"

Maybe he could also give a version of this speech from the godfather:

I'm a superstitious man, and if some unlucky accident should befall Michael - if he is to be shot in the head by a police officer, or be found hung dead in a jail cell... or if he should be struck by a bolt of lightning - then I'm going to blame some of the people in this room; and then I do not forgive. But with said, I pledge - on the souls of my grandchildren - that I will not be the one to break the peace that we have made today.

#41 pragmatist

DOesn't matter. When Nasrallah claims victory (which really is just survival), the arab world is gonna eat out of his hands. His "victory" will be celebrated without one iota of thinking. Take my word for it. It really is an extremely asymmetrical war.

Omert's speeches are poignant; he is a lawyer, but clearly he is not a military man. There was even talk among the military of a coup out of frustration over Omert's vacillations. The original plan which was scraped was to FIRST take out Nasrallah before he went to ground in his bunker, before he fled into the Iranian embassy. Then, the IDF was going to transport troops 20 kilometers inland. That would have effectly severed the southern Hezbo fighters from its supply lines. A few weeks of starvation and being between the IDF pincers would have led to rapid victory, at least this was the view of the military. Perhaps the Israeli Knesset will reject the cease fire. Regardless, Omert will have a fight on his hands to retain the prime ministership. Nothing is worse for Israel than tainting the image of IDF invincibility.

goodbye nat

Better keep this around,just in case.

I wholeheartedly endorse using this ceasefire to reload and regroup...Israel. Bunker busters. Cluster bombs. Muslim-seeking missiles. And set coordinates on better targets: Tehran and Damascus. Then regroup with the US 101st Airbornes and 3rd Cav to give Green Helmet plenty of fauxto ops.

Better living through air power...and real allies.

# 50 IndianTiger:

DOesn't matter. When Nasrallah claims victory (which really is just survival), the arab world is gonna eat out of his hands. His "victory" will be celebrated without one iota of thinking. Take my word for it. It really is an extremely asymmetrical war.

Saddam also declared "victory" after Gulf War I because he was still alive and in power. Arabs/muslims can never admit defeat -- much too humiliatin'.

Just where *is* Nazzie hiding I wonder. He's sure not out there taking a chance of getting his fat ass blown off. The way he talks you'd swear he was out there on the firing line.

When he does get his and may it be very soon do you suppose green helmet guy will be showing off his body?

A near perfect day would be for Nazzie and the vile smurf in Iran to take a dirt nap the same day. Nasty little talking heads.

#39 Doss

If only that were true, I would be in full support of it. However, when in the world has anything undertaken lately had anything at all to do with common sense?

I fear this is just what it appears - another way of hamstringing Israel so these barbarians can reload.

resolution 1701, the startrek resolution, 1701 the fiction resolution. set phasers to lame.

#44 Indian Tiger

Wow...That weapon is wicked. How long before Israel gets it?

Well, funny thing is, we already have MLRS launchers, but I don't know exactly what amoo configs we have.

I suspect the existing MLRS systems are pointed elsewhere (maybe Syria) and so this is a reinforcement specifically for the Lebanon front.

It's speculation, but mebbe some other LGFers know something?

#17 J.D.

Hezbollah leader says will not block approval of resolution

Nor will he abide by any of its provisions - but will be given a pass by the UN and the US State Department.

I hope that Israel sends Nasrallah to his " 72 virgins ", not that any of them would have anything to do with his fat, monkey looking ass.

#57 Ah yes, resolution 1701, the startrek resolution...developed by the UN, composed entirely of Tribbles...

Tribble
Episode: TOS 042 - The Trouble With Tribbles

Origin: unspecified.
A small animal characteristically soft, furry, and pleasing to most humanoids (with the exception of Klingons). Tribbles give off a soft purring sound that is soothing to many.
They are also asexual, born pregnant, the only determinant of birthing being how much food they consume. The Federation first encountered tribbles on space station K-7 on stardate 4523.3.

Spiny Norman (#59),

but will be given a pass by the UN and the US State Department.

An the Lebanese, and the Lebanese government.

I thinks it's become abundantly clear who rules Lebanon: hezbollah.

#56 vapig

If only that were true, I would be in full support of it. However, when in the world has anything undertaken lately had anything at all to do with common sense?

I fear this is just what it appears - another way of hamstringing Israel so these barbarians can reload.

If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on what you're saying, but I'm hoping that there's a good reason for the pullout. I'm not assuming that there is, given the track record, but I was just throwing that out there as speculation. I guess we'll find out sooner or later.

Olmert will be reviled by history for his tentative prosecution of this war. He had a chance to crush Hizb'allah, and instead gave them a UN approved hudna wrapped up in a propaganda victory. Instead of destroying Hizb'allah, he allowed them to be legitimized.

What a dip$hit.

#46 goodbye_natalie
My reasons exactly.
Rumsfeld, it is said, is the brightest mind in any room and I tend to believe that.

Thursday, August 10
National Mainstream Media Run Amok Day

Go over the Hugh Hewitt's and read an excerpt from Hannity's interview with Mike Wallace if you missed it...

MW: He (Ahmadinejead) is not trying to project an image. Look, it's very difficult. I know...I found it difficult to understand, but the more that I sat there, and the more time that I spent with the man, he is...I'm not suggesting...he despises, if you will...oh, he doesn't despise, but he doesn't like the United States. He doesn't like the United States for the reason that it's supporting the Zionist entity. He doesn't talk about Israel.

SH: So you don't think he's an anti-Semite?

MW: He himself, an anti-Semite, an anti-Jew...anti-Jew?

SH: Yes.

MW: No, I don't.

08-10wallace2.mp3

MW: I am with you 100% in what I perceived to be the individual that I was about to sit down and talk to. And he made his case, fairly rationally. It wasn't...it was a conversation. He did not propagandize and so forth. He...when I began to talk to him about America, about the United States, and oppression, he had his facts down solid about why he feels sorry, he says, for President Bush. Why? And then he starts in about the polls of President Bush, and how they're going down, and how he's going to leave office, and it's sad that he's going to leave office and leave behind a people who don't really approve of him. His approval ratings are what they are. And what is the standing of the United States in the world generally under President Bush. And it's...we weren't having an argument. I mean, we were having a discussion. And he was infinitely more rational than I had expected him to be.

08-10wallace3.mp3

SH: And would you deny, Mike, for example, if you ever sat down with Adolf Hitler, or Joseph Stalin...

MW: (laughing)

SH: Oh, wait. Hang on.

MW: No, look, I couldn't agree with you more.

SH: Would they seem, perhaps, informed, smart, reasonable, even though they were evil?

MW: Well, it's a perfectly sensible question. As far as I am...Adolf Hitler? Good Lord. I mean, the man was such a hateful, hateful man.

SH: So is Ahmadinejead, Mike. Listen to his statements.

MW: What...running a Holocaust, which the Iranians have not done, as you know, running a Holocaust, doing that sort of thing, slaughtering six million Jews, that's not what this man is talking about doing.

08-10wallace4.mp3

SH: But Mike, but let me answer that. Mike, but his statements are such that he wants to go beyond that. His statements are annihilate, wipe off the Earth.

MW: No, no, no.

SH: The world.

MW: Hold it, hold it.

SH: Wipe off the map.

MW: Yes, he says wipe off the map, and of course I asked him over and over about that. He says in effect, hey, it's perfectly sensible to do...pardon me. It's perfectly sensible for them, and I'm not quoting directly, obviously, because I don't have the translation in front of me, to...for them to...it's perfectly sensible, if there is a Holocaust, and let's buy the fact that there was a Holocaust. Where did the Holocaust take place? Did it take place in an Arab neighborhood? Did it take place in Jerusalem? No. It took place in Germany. Then it seems to me, under those circumstances, take Israel, the Zionist entity, he called it, move it to Germany. Move it to Europe. That's where it happened.

SH: Do you agree with him?

MW: Move it to the United States.

SH: Do you think that's a legitimate argument?

MW: It's an argument. I'm not a commentator. You are. ...

Hmmm...I don't suppose that it's a coincidence that Ehud Olmert spelled backwards is Duhe Tremlo.

The U.N. will wave around this latest piece of paper to try to prevent Israel from defending itself, or, for that matter, defending the rest of us against the “Death to Israel! Death to America!” Hezbollah agenda. Iran’s President Ahmadinejad, enjoying yet another confirmation of the U.N.’s mincing impotence in the face of guns, bombs, rockets, and terror, will continue his fevered preparations to roll out the nuclear bomb.

this is why Bush/Condi have failed us all by offering up a sacrifice to the islamic hordes poised to run over Israel.

#52 dead sea,

Man, none of them look appetizing...

Israel needs to explore putting lazer weapons in space. I believe Israel may however be part of some treaty precluding same, but it should consider ignoring any agreement. Such agreements usually have about as much enforceability as UN Resolutions. What a wonderful sight it would be seeing Israel using nightime infrared cameras doing a slow burn on Iran's nuclear reactors. Lazers are so accurate, they could burn the turbans off the heads of individual [bigoted word] troublemakers. You can tell I just got through reading H. G. Wells.

GJ - That great that Santa's coming, bringing all those cool toys (and you already have a certain number), but since Olmert has already committed himself to the hudna, under what scenario will they ever be used? Unless the knesset refuses to go along, didn't he basically tie Israel's hands behind her back?

And don't you expect Hezbollah to do everything in their power to comingle the UN forces with their own, so that if those are used, there will be massive colateral destruction?

“We must not make a mistake, not in the resistance, the government or the people, and believe that the war has ended. The war has not ended. There have been continued strikes and continued casualties,” he said in a taped television address.

Now THERE is a muslim speaking plain old honest truth instead of taqqiya!

#65 J.D.

It's perfectly sensible for them, and I'm not quoting directly, obviously, because I don't have the translation in front of me, to...for them to...it's perfectly sensible, if there is a Holocaust, and let's buy the fact that there was a Holocaust. Where did the Holocaust take place?

WTF? Buy it? >: [

#54 RickZ

Arabs/muslims can never admit defeat -- much too humJewiliatin'.

There. I like that better.

My opinion of the UN ceasefire.

Remember, the UN is a hapless, corrupt, terror-supporting organization that aids and abets Hizballah.

And yet we are entrusting them to get the job done?

Is it international crack smoking day?

#20 mingjaiyo

This "cease-fire" is extremely tenuous and will not hold.

I would be exceedingly surprised to see this particular "ceasefire" get off the ground at all, to say nothing of last 48 hours.

#66 THX-42

Hmmm...I don't suppose that it's a coincidence that Ehud Olmert spelled backwards is Duhe Tremlo.

That is classic. Life imitates art.

So long as the Hezbo 'resistance' confines itself to attacking the 'occupying' IDF force, and the IDF is free to act against those Hezbos, this could turn out to be a good thing.

#72 m
I know. I know.

How on earth do you explain Chris Wallace?

#39 Doss

I hope with all my heart that your idea of Israel drawing back forces before taking out Iran is correct.
However, short of that, the reign of Olmert/Peres (called "the Snake" in Israel), and PEACE NOW Peretz is an unmitigated disaster. Capitulating to the UN, a filthy organization dedicated to both America's destruction and that of Israel, is utterly wrong. The islamofascists everywhere are emboldened, the IDF's counsel was ignored by unqualified political hacks, and the country's security was essentially sold down the river.
Earlier Israeli leaders had the intestinal fortitude to say "No!" to the USA and the world and put the security of their country first. This crowd is degenerate. Olmert's daughter is a lesbain member of Women In Black, a treacherously deluded 'peace' group that demonstrates against the IDF. His two sons are draft dodgers who live abroad. Peres is loved by Clinton and Carter and it is his wise counsel that has brought Israel low. Yet he remains in power! Peretz is a leftist putz: he spent his youth supporting Peace Now.
None of these Jews believes in the God of Israel. I say that confidently. None of them are warriors. None of them have minds willing to put the safety of their country beyond their own ambitions. It is a tragic day for Israel, and I expect things to get much, much worse in the near future.
Read in the Jerusalem Post the detailed military/political errors of the Olmert Gang and you will be left shaking your head in amazement. Israel blew the biggest opportunity in its history through the evil conceit and vanity of Olmert and his gang. Olmert's name will undoubtedly come to signify disgrace and shame in Jewish history. Without question, despite the absence of arab killers literally on the soil of their country, Israel "lost" this war and absolutely did not have to have it end this way.

J.D. (#65),

Wow. That's truly vile.

I feel sorry for Chris Wallace. Your father is a disgrace.

Lazers are so accurate, they could burn the turbans off the heads of individual Arab troublemakers. You can tell I just got through reading H. G. Wells.

So much deadlier than "lasers".

Maybe Israel could build huge metal "tripods" with man grapping metal tenticles and "red death rays."

#80 Geepers
Can you imagine?
I mean, my mother is a Democrat, well, an old-fashioned Democrat and she comes up with some ridiculous stuff sometimes, but she doesn't hold a candle to Mike Wallace.

If you didn't, read it all.

We can play that hudna trick too!

As I've said before, unfortunately this can only end like it did in Germany and Japan in 1945 and we have a long and painful way to go to get there.

Let the UN and France make fools of themselves for a couple of months, get the US midterm elections behind us and then come back for the next round.

I know, faster please. But this is the political reality.

#79

Should we be hoping Kadima falls and Bibi maybe steps in?

The reason most Israelis support this is the desperation for a few days/weeks peace even though they know hell will be unleashed soon afterwards.

#83 Peter Verkooijen
Have you read
Unrepentant Neocon
Norman Podhoretz stands IV-square for the Bush doctrine.

...On the violence running over the Levant, he is forthright: "I think of it as another battle or field or front in World War IV--the third front that's been opened: Afghanistan, Iraq and now this." With Hezbollah acting as a proxy for Iran, and Israel standing in for the U.S., "what you have here is Iran testing the resolve, the capability, of the enemy, in this case being the entire West--through few seem to understand this, or if they do understand it they want to deal with it with the usual appeasement."

Does the president understand? Grant that there are no easy answers: Hasn't the administration, on the more intractable questions of Syria and Iran, shown by and large the same weakening of resolve? Mr. Podhoretz winces. The question seems to set his teeth on edge. "There are people who ask George Bush to do everything at once," he declares, "instead of picking his shots and moving at a politically viable pace. It's nice as an intellectual exercise, but what is the point of demanding things that no democratic political leader, not even George Bush, could conceivably do at this time? To my mind it's a kind of right-wing utopianism."

Right-wing utopianism--now there is machismo. It is, of course, the very charge most often leveled against the neocons: that they thought (to put it rudely) they could go parading through Arabia and reorder it as a liberal democracy; instead of flowers and sweets they were met with IEDs and sectarian death squads. And this notion has picked up currency of late--particularly among those who consider themselves conservatives without the qualifying prefix.

Mr. Podhoretz is having none of it. "I always knew they didn't like this policy, the Bush doctrine," he says, speaking of increasingly vocal antagonists like George Will and William F. Buckley. "They had doubts about it going in,...

#82 J.D.

What you've just seen is the begining of the mainstreaming of the idea that Israel should be relocated. Expect it to continue to be mainstreamed, until it's a respectable idea in the demo party. Maybe even part of the platform. And even that won't break the lock that the donx have on 3/4 of the Jews in this country.

Mike Wallace to Sean Hannity:

What you're telling me is that some of your best friends are Jews, is that it? That's not what I'm saying. [Ahmadinejead] says, let the people who were responsible for the Holocaust, let the Zionists go there and establish their state.

Gee Mike, you're really starting to come off as a flaming anti-Semite.

#87 E2m
I've been hearing more of them who have rejected the Democratic party. We will see, I suppose. I'm holding out hope. It's all I can do.

When is the world going to figure out that you can't make deals with Islamists. It took 6 years to build up their arms last time.

This time I think the Hezbos won't be worried about keeping their arms build "secret" and do it much more quickly with much bigger missles.

Israel got screwed again. This really smells vichy.

#87

Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz wrote an article playing around with this idea 2 years ago.

Many Jews would say that the state of Israel is the answer to the unsolved problems of the Jews in the Diaspora. If we just send our children to Israel to be "inoculated" against assimilation, we will not have to worry about Jewish continuity in the U.S.

Israel is important -- there is no question -- but not everyone is going to Israel. The Jews did not all return to Jerusalem when the Temple was rebuilt, and they are surely not all returning now.

Jews in the Diaspora have two choices. They can give up, close up shop, and admit defeat, or they can create something new. Forgive my chutzpah, but I think there is a possibility, and even a need, to emulate the ancient Jews of Galut Bavel [the Babylonian Diaspora], to build a second center of Jewish life, a vibrant and creative community outside the state of Israel.

Such an effort will require massive changes: different plans and different ways of planning. It will require changes not only in institutions, but in individuals. It will require a deeper involvement by a much broader base of people, committed to personal growth and eager for challenge. That is what continuity -- meaningful continuity -- means.

This requires a huge commitment, far more than anything that has been done before. It requires those with knowledge and enthusiasm to reach out to the many fine people who are estranged from everything Jewish. Together, they can establish the foundation for the renaissance we need.

These are worthy promises for our future, and goals within our reach. Tomorrow will have meaning, and the Judaism we pass on to our children will have substance, only if we invest the effort. No other people in history has survived, let alone grown and flourished, in exile, except the Jews. We must look to the example of Galut Bavel and create something new and exciting in America. Then we will be sure that subsequent generations will proudly continue the journey -- as ever, a light unto the nations.

[Link: jewsweek.com...]

bravo doss...

i also can't see isro's being tied up in a massive ground offensive when 22 august is still in the box. why not keep your power dry? this is a bush poker strategy at its' best!

once we know what the iranians are up to then we may see the gulf arabs sing a different tune. this gives the u.s. a logistical boost and more stability in kicking butt.

slowly the gulf is realizing the iranians with a bomb could be a real pain in the ass.

greetings from downtowndubai...

#91 jemima

That's related, but a seperate issue. What Wallace was talking about, and I see this idea taking hold on the left, is forced evacuation of all Jews in Israel to some colony, presumably in the US. Very different from what Rabbi Steinsaltz was talking about.

#93 E2M

You're right. I'm wrong. I was just reading it as someone looking into the future and seeing a possibility or perhaps a necessity and how to keep the community together in case of a very unpleasant what-if scenario.

Those who are hoping that this UN resolution is some brilliant secret plan cooked up by some combination of Bush/Rice/Olmert to lure the enemy into a trap or give Israel an excuse to wipe out Hezbollah are fooling themselves.

If such a plan existed, it would have been splashed all over the front page of the New York Times by now. Impossible to keep such a thing a secret--the entrenched bureaucrats in the State Department and CIA are working together with the liberal MSM, routinely leaking classified information in order to undercut Administration war policy.

Such a secret plan would have been leaked to the New York Times already.

No, there is no more to this than meets the eye; the Western news media would have sniffed out anything beyond that.

Sorry. The Islamists have just won another victory to add to their unbroken string of victories against the West. With the exception of the 1967 Arab-Israel War, has the West won any major wars against radical Islam in the last 50 years?

#88 Geepers

Mike Wallace to Sean Hannity:

What you're telling me is that some of your best friends are Jews, is that it? That's not what I'm saying. [Ahmadinejead] says, let the people who were responsible for the Holocaust, let the Zionists go there and establish their state.

SO the 800,000 Jews expelled from Middle Eastern countries, where their ancestors had lived for 3,500 years, should be deported to Europe? Good one, Mike.

#86 J.D., I hadn't read it. Podhoretz gets it.

#79 Frisco Patriot:

Earlier Israeli leaders had the intestinal fortitude to say "No!" to the USA and the world and put the security of their country first.

President Bush did NOT restrict Israel from acting in her own defense. In fact, while the entire rest of the world had demanded an immediate cease-fire on Day One, Bush used every ounce of U.S. diplomatic muscle to give the Israelis every opportunity. In fact, Bush was hoping that Israel, given the chance, would destroy Hezbollah, an organization that has killed hundreds of Americans.

The fault here is entirely that of the Olmert government. Not only did Olmert let Israel down, he let America down.

The cease-fire resolution took place because Bush gave up on Olmert. He, and we, finally saw that no matter how much time Israel had, they didn't want to wage all-out ground war to win. If Olmert wasn't out to win, then Bush and America can't save Olmert from himself.

#94 jemima

Even if you hypothetically accept that Israel should be relocated, as long as it's anything short of fully soverign, it won't serve as the refuge needed to ensure the Jews of the world a place to go, free from the whims of the rest of the world. What country in the world, including the US, is going to ceede that much land to another soverign? Maybe a chunk of Antarctica? Realistically, there's no usable land anywhere in the world that could be allocated that won't result in some displacement of local populations.

In short, this could become the political football of the coming decade. Once this idea takes hold, and I think it will, it will become a game of who can offer a chunk of barren, inhospitable land. ANWAR, anyone?

#34 goodbye_natalie:

Surely, Israel and the United States have something up the sleeve...Bush may have some shortcomings but being a coward and not willing to take the heat are not in the man's character.I refuse to believe this appears as promised.

It's exactly as promised. Bush can't keep any secrets from the New York Times. If there were some secret plan, the liberals in the State Department and CIA would have leaked it to the MSM by now.

The measure of Bush's resolve was that he gave Israel so much time to roll up Hezbollah--when nearly every other Western nation, plus many Democrats in America, had been demanding an immediate cease-fire since Day One. But Bush finally recognized realities: Olmert couldn't win this war even if Olmert had TEN YEARS to do it. In 1967, using its full military might, Israel defeated the combined armies of the neighboring Arab nations in a week. Olmert never sent more than maybe 8,000 Israeli troops into Lebanon, against a guerrilla force nearly as large, and that's why Olmert lost this war.

Let me repeat that: For the first time in the history of Israel, Israel has lost a war on the battlefield and Olmert is responsible.

Olmert has let down Israel, and what's worse, Olmert has let down America too.

It's a dark, sad day for the West, but then when it comes to fighting Islamists, dark sad days is what we've become used to. Since 1979, the West hasn't won a single confrontation with Islamists anywhere on earth.

Now you know how it must have felt in 1940 after the Nazis paraded into Paris.

#95 Right Side

Those who are hoping that this UN resolution is some brilliant secret plan cooked up by some combination of Bush/Rice/Olmert to lure the enemy into a trap or give Israel an excuse to wipe out Hezbollah are fooling themselves.

If such a plan existed, it would have been splashed all over the front page of the New York Times by now. Impossible to keep such a thing a secret--the entrenched bureaucrats in the State Department and CIA are working together with the liberal MSM, routinely leaking classified information in order to undercut Administration war policy.

Such a secret plan would have been leaked to the New York Times already.

No, there is no more to this than meets the eye; the Western news media would have sniffed out anything beyond that.

Sorry. The Islamists have just won another victory to add to their unbroken string of victories against the West. With the exception of the 1967 Arab-Israel War, has the West won any major wars against radical Islam in the last 50 years?

There do exists entrenched scum bureaucrats in all govt. Would they have access to such closely guarded info? I doubt it. Not that I believe there is any great plan either, other then - why lose 200 (estimate if continued) Israeli soldiers in this battle, on this front today, if avoidable? The fronts of this war (WW3) will widen. The advantage gained by fighting tomorrow must simply outweigh todays. Most want Hezbollah destroyed. Will it happen? Probably - as it must. Just maybe not today.

In short, this could become the political football of the coming decade. Once this idea takes hold, and I think it will, it will become a game of who can offer a chunk of barren, inhospitable land. ANWAR, anyone?

In addition, even if israel was given something nice, like the south coast of france, if the world won't respect israels right to the land it has owned for 5000 + years, what is the chance of the new deal being accepted.

A small jewish outpost terraforming mars might be a good idea, just in case Iran nukes and bio-weapons the whole world. Just like them to develope a grem that kills every woman on the planet. If you think they are angry now...

Perhaps a deal could be struck with native americans, we share their land and show them how to grow strawberries the size of apples in the desert.

#39 Doss:

This is only a theory, and if Israel is leaving Lebanon without the reason being that they're looking down the road at a much more serious threat, it's a disastrous move. If Israel is doing this because of planned attacks on Iran, maybe it's not a bad idea.

There is no planned attack on Iran that the New York Times wouldn't have already splashed on their front pages.

And even if such a thing were in the works, I can assure you Olmert would screw it up just like he screwed up Lebanon. It will be extremely difficult to take out Iran's nuclear facilities with air strikes; our own CIA doesn't even know where their secret facilities are. (Jane Harmon admitted that to CNN; thank you, Jane, for letting the Islamists know how clueless our intelligence community is about them.) Israel's Air Force isn't really equipped to wage a long air war over such vast distances anyway--mid-air refueling is going to be a real problem, since every route between Israel and Iran takes Israeli planes over Muslim territory where those planes could be intercepted. Israel's Mossad was clearly surprised by the tactics used by Hezbollah, so I wouldn't depend on Mossad to know where Iran has its nukes.

We won't be able to stop Iran from getting an atomic bomb. I just see no way to prevent it now.

The all-out, no-holds-barred, full-scale world war between the West and Islam is coming closer. Fortunately, at my age, I probably won't live to see it.

What's all this talk (jemima, E2M, piglet) about relocating Israel? Excuse me? There's a reason why we Jews are in this particular part of the globe: G^d, Who created the universe and all it contains, and Who brought us out of Egypt, out of the house of bondage, gave this land, Eretz Yisrael, to us, 'Am Yisrael, as an eternal inheritance.
"Relocate" Israel to ANWAR or Mars or the French Riviera or Antarctica or...or...or...?
No way!

Wow. It's like Ms. Rosett read my mind.

Can't the Israeli and Mossad make the Olmert problem disappear like a previous prime minister?...and then get a real fighter like Moshe Dayan...

Israelis need to raise Hezbollah to the ground along with their Syrian and Iranian paymasters/enablers...

#104 MAOZ (Middle-Aged Of Zion)

Read up the thread. That was suggested by none other than Mike Wallace. I'm telling you, the idea is in the process of becoming mainstreamed, and within a year or two, it will be the consensus of the democrat party.

Do what?

No.

No more relocations. No more pogroms. No more diaspora.

Stop killing Jews.

NO
QUARTER,
R

Hi there

I believe its best to look at this analogically .
Say Robin Hood and his merry men were trying to capture the Sheriff of Nottingham's Castle.
No matter how accurate Mr hood was at firing the bow and arrow [lazer guided bombs], he still could not pick off all the soldiers on the battlement as most would be firing through arrow slits [Katyusha multiple rocket launcher]. Finally after much thought, Robin decided to knock the wall down by way of a cannon [M26 Multiple Launch Rocket System]. (this in fact lead to the demise of the castle in the middle ages).

Hope this helps :-)

[Link: www.internet-haganah.com...]

Note: The following text is a quote:

[Link: off-topic.internet-haganah.com...]

UNresolved

From Neville Olmert: "Peace in our time"

Will the kidnapped soldiers be released? No.

Will Hizballah be disarmed? No.

Will southern Lebanon be under the control of an effective fighting force? No.

Will the border between Syria and Lebanon be effectively monitored to prevent the rearmament of Hizballah? No.

I could go on, but what's the point. The spectacle of Israel's political elite trying to spin this into a "victory" is dizzying.

Actually it's nauseating.

Finally, the reader may add this to the list of Bush administration foreign policy accomplishments, right up there with their stellar handling of North Korea and Iran.

It's a good thing we have faith, because G-d knows we have no other cause for optimism.

Posted on 12 August 2006 @ 12:47 GMT

OT

Just saw a story on Fox News... Pro-Hizballah "protesters" in San Francisco! Unfreakin' believable!

Please, someone, tell me it isn't true?

If it is then what, in the name of God, are Israel's leaders thinking of if they agree to sign up to it?

Are they mad? Are they stupid?

What is the explanation?

Olmert may be a weak leader, but the Bush administration has betrayed Israel in order to be a team-player at the (irrelevant) UN.

It is outrageous that the Bush administration is handing Hezb'allah this victory.

Now all Hezb'allah has to do is import longer-range missiles. When Israel tries to defend itself, it will find itself confronted with a large and better armed UN force stationed in lebanon by the antisemitic UN/Kofi Annan for the purpose of shielding Hezb'allah.

#106 Greg

That high-pitched whine you hear is Moshe Dayan spinning in his grave... at about 27,000 RPM. That guy would have made mincemeat out of Hizb'allah in a week. Perhaps less.

Yes, I'm old enough to remember him.

Zulubaby

This from VFR

Eight days ago a French-language article appeared in Arouts Sheva revealing that Ehud Olmert was planning to withdraw from the West Bank very soon. In an address to the Associated Press, Olmert is quoted as saying:

“The delineation of a new border will stabilize the region and will prove that terrorism can be defeated. The moment will then be favorable to prepare the way for a withdrawal that will allow us to separate ourselves from the Palestinians. It won’t be easy, but I’m ready to do it.”

[Link: www.amnation.com...]

In other words, withdrawal and uprooting of many Israeli families from the West Bank.

Anyone else has news on this?

The link also indicates that this anouncement by Olmert has infuriated IDF soldiers.

#113 ibrodsky 8/12/2006 03:35PM PDT

It is outrageous that the Bush administration is handing Hezb'allah this victory.

Agreed. All this idiot talk about "a plan up their sleeve" is childish wishful thinking.

Bush obvioiusly just doesn't get it on how to pursue the now-compromised "war on terror"(sic) and he, with this deal with the devil using the UN to "police" Hezbollah, has shown that he has no real spine.

Worse, having turned his foreign policy over to Condi "Nevilla Chamberlain" Rice has been risible -- and has brought us all closer the brink of real war -- on Iran's and China's timetables (instead of ours).

We should have recognized Bush's fecklessness when he permitted China to down and completely disassemble a P-3 aircraft early in his first term -- without consequences.

No more time for sugarcoating: Bush is an incompetent wimp. He has a mess in Iraq that could have been prevented with a gutsier policy that would have resulted in a lot more dead terrorists.

Instead, he and Dumbsfeld decided to major on prosecuting US troops everytime they looked cross-eyed at a terrorist or a detainee (viz. a terrorist in handcuffs).

Let's hold Bush and Dumbsfeld as accountable as they are holding the Pendleton Eight (without yet having been formally charged with a crime). -- gunjam

Hucbald,

Dayan was pissing his pants in 1973, talking about the "fall of the Third Temple", setting up defensive lines around Kibbutz Diganya, before Kahalani, Askarov and Greengold save their butts on the Golan and Sharon counterattacked across the Suez.

Peace In Our Time

#3

I love it.

The ceasefire is supposed to start monday at 08:00 PM.

My bet is that Nasrallah will launch a dozen zilzal rockets at Tel-Aviv at 07:57 and that Kofi will be shocked when Israel violates the ceasefire by responding.