onus is on the wire services themselves, because they act as the employer/filter of their photogs work.

And that says it all. Are you reading there Reuters?

Well, it makes sense to me.

The images of the dead bodies are being looked at pornographically, so, like pornography, it has to be staged just so for maximum viewing enjoyment.

No moral or ethical standards at all. Evil, in fact.

So sadly routine nowadays.

Digging up bodies and photographing them with bunches of kids standing around.

Oh, we definitely need some confirmation on this one.

And when we get it, hammer, hammer, hammer.

Wow! It's worse than I thought. I wish this was getting more coverage.

evil can be conquered if the truth comes out.

Thank you Charles for doing your part in bringing the truth out.

Allow me to cop to a case of profiling...when I see a story or photo about terrorism or the mideast and I see a Muslim/Arabic name, I just chalk it up to enemy propaganda until proven otherwise.

Just because there are a lot of people who don't want to admit we are at war doesn't mean we aren't. And let's face facts...the majority of people in that part of the world aren't on our side. Some, even many, are but most aren't.

Someone can certainly take video of the phographers at work.

whatever the case is—lack of training, a personal drive as a photographer to show what is happening to your country in as powerful a way as possible, or all out competitiveness,

How about morbid perversion?

What is more shocking, that the Hezzies would dig up dead children and stage them or that the Hezzies would put a rocket launcher next to a building filled with living women and children?

Brian Denton's photos are used quite often by the NYT, so maybe they'll actually run with this story. But I'm not holding my breath.

I see we have a few reuters personnel puttin' some saturday time for the infidel man ...

WE'RE STILL LAUGHING AT YOU, YOU JIHADI-ENABLING GHOULS!

I don't think you can state it more plainly. They are not like us.

/Shivers.

so, to those of you who went and read the original site, what was the reaction of the other photogs who post there?

As the journalistic house of cards continues to crumble, I'm left with at least one positive thought out of all of this. No matter how we think this will all end, I know it has opened some eyes among those who had been fencesitters in this conflict. I have personally encountered three who just two weeks ago were tied up in moral equivalence knots. They are no longer on the fence. There may be no hope for the terminally moonbatted, but I truly believe that this can and should be a great lesson for those who have not yet made up their minds in this global war. Thank you Charles for leading the charge. It is bearing fruit.

whatever the case is—lack of training, a personal drive as a photographer to show what is happening to your country in as powerful a way as possible, or all out competitiveness oil tick payola

There, fixed that for you.

And notice that Denton's damning comments are like an island in a sea of denials, excuse-making, and wagon-circling by the other photogs quoted in that link.

OT-

Stop the clock! We have a winner.

CNN just teased a story of how the lawyer for some of the terror bomb suspects are being mistreated in jail.

I can't believe it took this long and of course CNN is playing right into the Al Qaeda handbook.

Why, it's almost like they are on the same side.

This explains why we've seen pictures of Palestinian children in their graves with their faces exposed. They were placed there for the photo op before being taken back out for final burial prep. Pretty repulsive.

Analysis: For Israel, an imperfect deal

"Shall I tell you what the real evil is? To cringe at the things that are called evils, to surrender to them our freedom, in defiance of which we ought to face any suffering.”

. . . some Roman philosopher guy

This needs all the legs it can get. Is the video of this?

Man, I wish I could say I'm shocked, but I think I stopped being shocked by these people long ago.

If this story doesn't make it into the MSM, what on earth would it take?

Some readily admitted that Hajj' fauxto was so clearly shopped there was no excuse for it ever to have been printed.

One came up with the theory that Green Helmet Guy's "boss" propounded in the article Charles posted earlier.

A couple stated that it didn't matter because this was war ... they are warriors with cameras...Israel controls the media too...

A gamut really.

I wonder if the whole turn of events on fauxtography out of the ME will result in:

1) disarming what has been a successful propaganda campaign in support of terror over the last 30 years, or

2) numbing down westerners even further, with a result of "everyone does it" equivocation resulting in an even greater desire to appease Islamists so as to "leave them alone and they leave us alone."

Listening to Dems in the wake of the latest Al Qaeda plot, I fear it may be #2.

This photographer has an interesting website...
Brian Denton Photography

Here's a bit of heresay that I heard over shabbat dinner, and I cannot confirm it, nor do I have the source yet. Apparently, Green Helmet is a mortician from Tyre who drives about 30 dead bodies around in his refrigerated mortuary van, in order to stage photos with them.

Is this just a rumor without basis, or does anyone have more information on this? I told my shabbat host that I would like him to forward to me the email which contained this information, and I will follow up in another day or so.

#27 karmic_inquisitor

I wonder if the whole turn of events on fauxtography out of the ME will result in:

1) disarming what has been a successful propaganda campaign in support of terror over the last 30 years, or

2) numbing down westerners even further, with a result of "everyone does it" equivocation resulting in an even greater desire to appease Islamists so as to "leave them alone and they leave us alone."

Listening to Dems in the wake of the latest Al Qaeda plot, I fear it may be #2.

Perhaps. But I'm hoping for #1 - at least here in the US. Dismal though most of our press is here in the US, here they are at least nominally "free" and I think the American expectation - and the reason we give them the freedoms that we do - is an impartial presentation of facts. We even expect some remote semblance of that in advertising (truth in advertising laws.)

A gamut really.

Well, that in itself is not so bad, then. I'd be more worried (but not surprised) if they had all jumped on him for telling lies or something.

BBC news just interviewed "wailing woman" on their evening news. She made a comment about waiting for peace. I can understand that considering she has had her house blown up three times, in three locations, at three different time, in the last month. She must be exhausted from all that running around and wailing.

#29 American Jewess in Jerusalem

Here's a bit of heresay that I heard over shabbat dinner, and I cannot confirm it, nor do I have the source yet. Apparently, Green Helmet is a mortician from Tyre who drives about 30 dead bodies around in his refrigerated mortuary van, in order to stage photos with them.

Is this just a rumor without basis, or does anyone have more information on this? I told my shabbat host that I would like him to forward to me the email which contained this information, and I will follow up in another day or so.

Fact or rumor - who knows? I've heard this too, since about the time Green Helmet arose. Part of the problem is that a number of writers have seemed to describe their interactions with Green Helmet - but with no picture and no physical description.

Heh. Wailing woman gots her fingers crossed on that whole peace thing; she's probably making a nice sum posing for the nice photographers.

Charles,
Perhaps you could email him (link #28) and see if he's willing to name the photographers staging the shots he mentioned. It's worth a shot.

Well, here is what I found after a brief google search, concerning our travelling Hezbullah mortician/photographer's helper:

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

#28 kilgore trout

Brian Denton "graduated in 2005 from New York University's Tisch School of the Arts, majoring in Photography and Imaging with a second focus in Middle Eastern and Islamic studies"

Mystery solved.

#9 heliotrope

I like the typo, "phograpers"

FOG-graphers seems appropriate for these
miscreants

OT - Hot damn!

Sorry if this has been posted:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

The three 1,000 cell phone guys have been arraigned in Michigan on terror charges!

#31 ploome hineni

ooops, we crashed Lightstalker

It's back up -- for the moment anyway.

What is going on with the wire services is absolutely sick and frightening and we need a formal, independent investigation.

#9 heliotrope - That would truly be excellent, but I'm afraid an intrepid videographer would have to use a hidden camera or else become one of the bodies exhibited.

zulubaby 22

From your link:

Israel had little choice but to go along with the U.S.-backed compromise, after its vaunted army failed to subdue Hezbollah in more than a month of fighting. The guerrillas took heavy blows and suffered scores of casualties, but kept raining rockets on northern Israel throughout the war and clung to positions near Israel's border.

Actually they failed because Olmert is a punk-bitch that would not let the IDF fight! Lay blame where it ought to be laid. And this after Bush gave them tacit approval to take a month or probably several weeks to clean Hezbollah's clock. People of Israel vote out this government before it kills more of you!

I have long since concluded that the "Weekly World News"

REALLY IS

the

"World's Only Reliable Newspaper."

Judith, LOL!

Please, someone, get the BBC next. Surely there are ample crimes in that organization just waiting to be exposed.

jehu, cool your jets. There is a lot going on still. Believe me.

#44 loafing oaf

I think what's going on is that editors just have not been carefully scrutinizing stringers' work.

The pressure to beat your competitor to the story, especially in a wire service in the Internet age, means that it can be unhealthy for your career to act too deliberately.

I'd be willing to bet that most wire service editors are actually shaken over this - and didn't see it coming. (Though I'm sure there were a few who suspected/knew/were complicit!)

The BBC needs to be thrown out of Israel. Immediately.

Thousands of people gathered across from the White House on Saturday, even though the president was out of town, to condemn US and Israeli policies in the Middle East.

Speakers in Lafayette Park energized the most mostly Muslim crowd with chants and speeches condemning Israeli involvement in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories, US support for Israel, and US involvement in Iraq.

Night.

My cheapo digital camera can take video if I flip a switch. I wonder if any of those fancy photographer's cameras can do this? All it would take is a video of them digging out the bodies for them to pose with...

Hunh. Wonder if Jheka and/or Occasional Reader are on hand for that white house protest.

I have decided to go to my local Wal-Mart tomorrow to meet with the manager. I will bring copies of articles on the Michigan 3 and the Ohio 2, and ask him to inform his cashiers of the situation - and to immediately report large cell-phone purchases.

I urge all Lizards near Wal-Marts and Targets to do the same.

What do you guys think would be a good number over which it looks suspicious? Three phones?

#52 antisocial_ist
I'd be willing to bet that most wire service editors are actually shaken over this - and didn't see it coming. (Though I'm sure there were a few who suspected/knew/were complicit!)

I would agree with you that most wire service editors were shaken to the very tips of their toes over this. But I think they would have to be literally blind to be unaware of the skulduggery. I think that they, like many other "professionals," just happen to see their work in a vacuum. It never dawned on them that Photoshop is no longer a "specialist program" only for commercial artists. There are millions of Photoshop users, many of whom are better than anyone that works for the wire services.

In other words - I think it never dawned on them that they would get caught with their pants around their ankles.

#51 zulubaby

You did it now. Prepare to acosted with a 12-paragraph response.

Fucking ghouls.

#58 antisocial_ist

I have decided to go to my local Wal-Mart tomorrow to meet with the manager. I will bring copies of articles on the Michigan 3 and the Ohio 2, and ask him to inform his cashiers of the situation - and to immediately report large cell-phone purchases.

I urge all Lizards near Wal-Marts and Targets to do the same.

What do you guys think would be a good number over which it looks suspicious? Three phones?

Walmart already has a 3 per purchase limit on trac phones. My nephew has been here twice this week to discuss this with me as it has been going on at his store too. In his case a girl/guy pair. When he initially noticed this, they were coming in and buying 6 at a time in two 3 phone batches. Now they go to different registers. He figures that they have bought something on the order of 100 in the last 3 weeks or so - just during the hours he works. Already brought it to his managers attention and called the FBI. Luckily they had come in between his visits to me and I had mentioned getting a good description. He actually got the license plate :)

#29 American Jewess in Jerusalem

It appears to be true, though 30 bodies seems like a lot. When the Qana story first broke, GHG was referred to in the wire services as a mortician from Tyre. It's interesting that now he is described as a civil defense worker. Also appearing in the first stories were references to his refrigerated morgue truck. It appears that he arrived an Qana with his morgue truck hours before the press convoy, leading to the belief that he salted the scene with his travelling corpses. The scene of his recovery of blue pacifier baby may bear this out, as the body is completed covered in dirt (dust) while the space he was recovered from is fairly clean with no cave-in.

60 Earth2moonbat
yikes!

By the way...

HEY EVERYONE...Just got back from Frankenmuth with my family and I gained ten pounds in starch alone.

It's amazing to compare/contrast the "outrage" and "explanations" between the "Mission Accomplished" banner and all of the false/orchestrated news/photography/propaganda.

Someone (rightly) declares "mission accomplished" (Saddam defeated), and the LLL goes nuts.

However, actually FAKE the news, and as long as it forwards their talking points it's fine and dandy.

/new national motto "fake but accurate"

#65 biff

It appears to be true, though 30 bodies seems like a lot. When the Qana story first broke, GHG was referred to in the wire services as a mortician from Tyre.

When I was pic-hunting last week I came across a bunch of photos of bodies in what looked to be a refrigerated truck. Saved a couple of them BTW. Captioned to appear that this was a mass burial. One, though, was of the empty interior. Covered with blood half-way up the left rear wall. Saved a couple of them. If you hunt "mass burial" you might find them.

Update: The reaction on Lightstalkers to Denton's post has varied from one extreme to the other, with many calling for him to "document" his claims. In response, he has posted a second time, backing off somewhat from his original position. Peer pressure at work?

hi all,

sorry to have not been specific. just to make this clear. i was not in qana and am not referring to the massacre that took place there. i have been covering beirut, and it was at numerous protest, evacuations as well as the israeli strikes in chiyeh, which unfortunately did not get that much coverage in the media—where i saw this behavior occur. i have also heard from friends of mine in lebanon, respected photographers, that this was not an isolated incident.

unfortunately in each of these cases, it was the lebanese wire photographers that started these situations. that said, i am not trying to make generalizations. i know that there are a number of dedicated and brilliant lebanese photographers here who are putting themselves in extremely dangerous situations in order to document what is happening here in their country, and in hindsight, i realize it was irresponsible for me to post the previous statement because it was not specific enough. however, this has been something i’ve noticed happening here, more than any other place i’ve worked previously.

i agree that there is a lot of pressure, particularly on stringers (i myself am a freelancer), due to cost cutting and how the big image banks pay their non-staff photographers, and while unfortunate events like qana and chiyeh require the utmost responsiblity, seeing it happen for things like protests and evacuations is equally as disturbing and doesn’t bode well.

again, i am terribly sorry for rattling the saber so hard….re-reading my words I too should have been a bit more responsible.

by Bryan Denton Fri Aug 11 16:27:35 UTC 2006 | Beirut, Lebanon

You know the tracphones may not be as sinister as you think.

I live along I-90 in Ohio. The newspapers are full of stories about folks with Arab sounding names getting caught with truckloads of cigarettes they bought from Indian reservations in New York state (largely tax free) while enroute back to Dearborn or somewhere else near Detriot. The cigarettes are then sold at gas stations and convenience stores without the appropriate tax stamps.

The tracphones in question can be unlocked and sold without their GSM chips all over the world for more then they cost at Walmart.

This sort of greymarket arbitrage occurs in all kinds of products with large disparities in cost between different channels. Cigars, cigarettes, cell phones, prescription drugs, etc.

Sure this could be a way to raise money for terrorists. It could also be a way some guy is just trying to make a buck.

Truly sickening...

71 jester6

Absolutely.

OT -

The Washington Post has an article on Geneology that makes the following claim:

The longer ago somebody lived, the more descendants that person is likely to have today. Humphrys estimates that Muhammad, the founder of Islam, appears on the family tree of every person in the Western world.

So there it is - a racial theory from which Islamists can now claim that all of the West belongs to Islam.

Read the article. It is light and fluffy and doesn't mention Islam, per se, but the claim is now in print. "Muslim Lands" are the basis of rationale for Jihad, and the prophecy that the world would all be Islamic can be seen as fulfilled by the mere math of geneology. Everyone posting here, the claim will go, is a descendant of Muhammad and therefore is the property of Islam - to be treated as the apostate - if you follow the expansion of the bloodline.

1938. All over again.

#66 Scoreboard

HEY EVERYONE...Just got back from Frankenmuth with my family and I gained ten pounds in starch alone

It's a little early to go Christmas shopping--isn't it?

hi all,

sorry to have not been specific. just to make this clear. i was not in qana and am not referring to the massacre that took place there. i have been covering beirut, and it was at numerous protest, evacuations as well as the israeli strikes in chiyeh, which unfortunately did not get that much coverage in the media—where i saw this behavior occur. i have also heard from friends of mine in lebanon, respected photographers, that this was not an isolated incident.

unfortunately in each of these cases, it was the lebanese wire photographers that started these situations. that said, i am not trying to make generalizations. i know that there are a number of dedicated and brilliant lebanese photographers here who are putting themselves in extremely dangerous situations in order to document what is happening here in their country, and in hindsight, i realize it was irresponsible for me to post the previous statement because it was not specific enough. however, this has been something i’ve noticed happening here, more than any other place i’ve worked previously.

i agree that there is a lot of pressure, particularly on stringers (i myself am a freelancer), due to cost cutting and how the big image banks pay their non-staff photographers, and while unfortunate events like qana and chiyeh require the utmost responsiblity, seeing it happen for things like protests and evacuations is equally as disturbing and doesn’t bode well.

again, i am terribly sorry for rattling the saber so hard….re-reading my words I too should have been a bit more responsible.[Link: www.lightstalkers.org...]

Brian has clarified his remarks. Also, another photographer on the Lightstalker site who has been there strongly disagrees that the Qana images were staged.

I’m very sure that nobody is setting up shots. All the major events in question, I was there, and I saw first hand how the reality of each situation unfolded. Not a single photographer intruded or created an event. link to Lebanon photographs

[Link: www.lightstalkers.org...]

OT

Up next on Fox News Watch, they're going to talk about the faked Reuters pic issue. They previewed it with copies of the before/after of Mr. Hajj's Beirut smoke pics.

Wonder what Neal Gabler will say?

#16 Bob's Kid

so, to those of you who went and read the original site, what was the reaction of the other photogs who post there?

This is by Daniel Etter:

I have never photographed war and I am just starting out, but these are my two cents:

If there are photographers in places like that and if people are aware that they are being photographed, there is always a certain amount of influence on the scene. The degree to which they influence the scene varies. Sometimes it is only that due to the photographers physical presence the way of movement of the people in that place changes. In most cases this doesn’t change the actual happenings. But sometimes people act for the camera (the rescue worker holding up the baby). In most cases, I wouldn’t even call that staged. It is more like a natural interaction between photographer and the ones they photograph. If it is clear on the photo that people act in a certain way because of the presence of the media, I don’t see a big problem (although I think those photos should be avoided), because viewers can judge for themselves. It becomes a problem if you don’t see it on the photo and viewers are misled.

In the case of the photos of dead children in Qana or Beirut, the real question is why do the IDF fire rockets on civilians? They are well aware that it is bad PR for them – and I am sure they would have tried to avoid it. But while Israel has a big PR apparatus and is providing ready made stories for the media, the Hezbollah – which has its positions in residential areas – simply has to wait for the IDF to attack and show the media civilian casualties. The real staging happens before the rescue worker shows the dead children to photographers. It happens when the Hezbollah builds Kindergarten right next to their positions, it happens when PR agencies fly to Kuwait just before the American troops arive to distribute small American flags…. and there are thousands of examples.

Good photojournalism (and journalism in general) reveals the “real” stories behind all this. But this is getting harder and harder. In Der Spiegel there was an article about the about the growing PR industry. Already today a lot of the articles you read in newspapers were written by PR people and not journalists. With the economic difficulties that many magazines and newspapers face nowadays this will increase.

Too many thoughts for one post…..

Many others are in full Koslamistan mode.

In case this was not linked:

[Link: www.lightstalkers.org...]

Mr. Denton - info from Lightstalkers.

We are witnessing a great historical event - the destruction of mainstream media.

Rathergate was not the end but just the beginning - the bell tolling that we are entering a time when the media is being deconstructed and revealed to be the partisan, pandering pack of prevaricators that they really are.

Time will only tell if they emerge Phoenix-like from the ashes or if they continue to cover themselves in the detritus of their own lies.

#63 galloping granny

Thanks for the info on Wal-Mart. I didn't know that.

It sure wouldn't hurt for those of us near a Wal-Mart to speak with the manager and discuss the terrorism aspect. They may have a rule, but my local Wal-Mart cashiers also rarely enforce the 10-item rule in the "express" lane.

Many managers may not be aware of the terror angle. It may be innocent, but after all, the three men from Texas were just arraigned on terror-related charges!

Anyone who wants to do so, can print out the below three links (the Mich. and Ohio busts) and bring it to your local Wal-Mart. I mean, better safe than sorry, ya know?

Sorry Charles for the OT.

[Link: www.wnem.com...]
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
[Link: www.wboy.com...]

51 zulubaby

jehu, cool your jets. There is a lot going on still. Believe me.

Are they utterly crushing Hezbollah? Will they leave them there to reconstitute under the blind eyes of a U.N. "force?" If not then I am not interested in any excuses or diplomatic shell games. They started a war, specifically aimed at civilians with ball-bearing filled rockets.

Olmert is responsible for NOT doing as the army asked, allowing infighting and politicking between the IDF and IAF, stacking his cabinent with yes men and being more interested in how he looks to the international community than in crushing the enemies of his nation.

And this blog of all places filled with excuses for this dithering incompetance with all sorts of assurances that great plans are in place, or the game is not over yet, or so many nostrums and bromides about how Israel is actually, pretty much, probably winning, we could open a anti-acid supermarket.

What the hell ever happened to just kill the damn enemy as quickly and efficiently as possible? Anybody that can tell me that is the dynamic in place here? I see war fought with half-measures and when alamred am told to take a Vicodin and calm down.

Imagine such a situation here in the U.S.? Some proxy terrorist group from Mexico, supplied and supported by Venezuela, its leader commanding operations from the Venezuelan consulate in L.A.

They take over Baja Calif and shell San Diego. I am sure we would all be OK, with a U.N. cease fire and Canadian and Mexican troops (sympathetic) to the terrorist group enforcing a cease fire.

Although I understand how important this story is and I am SO glad Charles is on this, we do still need to respect that fact that these are dead children and adults (even if they staging them don't)

Let's just keep it in mind. I'm gonna throw in a bit of link whoring here:

Dead Children.

Maybe some of you can help me with moonbat infestation.

Earth2Moonbat 60

6 paragraphs, to counterbalance your bumper-sticker slogans of "We shall win." Cause...well...we will, damnit!

Prepare for Fox News Watch watchers to click into LGF.

/Waves at fellow Fox fans.

Alert: Fox Newswatch is talking about Charles Johnson and LGF. And it's positive. They were talking about the doctored and staged photos and mentioned how bloggers like Charles Johnson catch these fauxtos and fakes.
Two thumbs up for Charles.

#67 ploome hineni

#62 MandyManners 8/12/2006 03:31PM PDT
Fucking ghouls.

your post makes me laugh

they are not quite human

they look humna, ughly, but human

but there is some quality missing

Souls? Consciences? Simple human decency?

Dept. of Ewww: [a little comic relief, at least for some lizardoids]-- Cindy Sheehan is upset because word got out about her married boyfriend:

MOTHER SHEEHAN'S MARRIED LOVER

Activist breaks camp in Crawford to do 'damage control'

Cindy Sheehan packed her bags and left Crawford ,Texas, Tuesday afternoon and arrived home in Berkeley, Ca. late Tuesday evening. Sheehan rushed back to do damage control after explosive information became public today about an alleged affair that began while she was still married to her husband Patrick, and after her son Casey Sheehan died in Sadr City, Iraq attempting to rescue members of his trapped squad.

Sources are telling authors Melanie Morgan and Catherine Moy, (American Mourning, Cumberland Press) that Sheehan is furious that the news of her affair has gone public. Sources have identified the boyfriend as former right-winger Lew Rockwell of the Ludwig Von Mises think tank located in Alabama, who is himself married.

Sheehan was in Texas for over a week to confront President Bush about the war in Iraq, demanding a second meeting with the man she calls a 'murderous bastard.'

Sources say that Sheehan met Lew Rockwell in an Internet chatroom, and exchanged 600 text mail messages before her husband learned of the affair through phone records.

Rockwell, who has a blog at HuffingtonPost.com and his own website [Link: www.lewrockwell.com...] has not responded to inquiries for comment.

Hat tip to Tim Blair, who linked to [Link: www.secondbreakfast.net...]

OMG...Well, Muslims tell us they love death. And you just know those they unearthed from their graves were recently dead children, whether from the war or some other cause of death. Islam turns people into monsters.

Earth2Moonbat

I take it you're on record that Olmert has been an effecive leader, and pretty darn good military commander. Or do you just make snide comments to please your crowd?

#70 Catawba

Update: The reaction on Lightstalkers to Denton's post has varied from one extreme to the other, with many calling for him to "document" his claims. In response, he has posted a second time, backing off somewhat from his original position. Peer pressure at work

I don't see what there is in Denton's update that could be called "backing off somewhat." He clarifies that he is nottalking about Qana but another location, and apologizes for leaving that unclear. If anything, he strengthenshis original claim by saying that not only has he seen this sordid staging, but other photogs have told him it's not unusual.

#71 jester6

This sort of greymarket arbitrage occurs in all kinds of products with large disparities in cost between different channels. Cigars, cigarettes, cell phones, prescription drugs, etc.

Sure this could be a way to raise money for terrorists. It could also be a way some guy is just trying to make a buck.

When that story first broke, I flashed back to my days of working for a major cigarette producer; we would have all those cool prizes and premiums for people buying a certain amount and package cigarettes with some free packs, and the Arabic businessmen would resell that stuff that was supposed to be given free to the customers every time.

Bryan Denton better watch his back.

I hope his will's made out...

88 kathyn

It was a great discussion. The Fox Watch people were very into this story, since they were all offended. Even Neal Gabler, though he didn't admit that it was proven to be bias.

If Hezbollah were vaporized tonight what would be accomplished? Sure Israel would be less threatened. But how long until the threat under a new name appears again?

Israel has lived under the shadow of Hezbollah for years. They can deal with it for a few months more.

The world did not know about UNIFIL or bluelines or Resolution 1559 a month ago.

Now they know there was a war and the UN is sending troops to stand between the combatants. It doesn't matter what the details of Resolution 1701 are... expectations have been set that this force will enforce a ceasefire and keep Hezbollah in check.

Israel and her allies need to sit back and demand the UN and Europe do something when Hezbollah starts up again.

The UN and Europe have been sitting on the sidelines of WW IV. Resolution 1701 puts them on the field. Now Israel needs to tough it out and wait for Hezbollah to start suicide bombing Spanish, Italian and French peacekeepers.

I thought Shehag was in the hospital for dehydration?

Jester6, I dunno. I don't think Hezzbollah would exist without Iran.

/I think I could exist without Iran just fine, though.

#100 ggt

Tim Blair noted that there are several different versions of her ending her fast:

Sheehan, 49, was hospitalized after friends picked her up Friday afternoon at the Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, where she arrived after spending several days in Seattle at the Veterans for Peace convention, said friend Tiffany Burns.

Sheehan, who has been on a liquid diet as part of the nationwide “Troops Home Fast” hunger strike, had been treated and released from a Seattle emergency room Thursday night. On doctors orders, she ate for the first time in about 37 days, Burns said.

But last month:

An embassy official told her he’d get her some face time with Al-Maliki if she moved away from the embassy and ended her hunger strike. “So we moved and ended our fast,” Sheehan told The News’ Ken Bazinet.

(Via Joseph H.)

Sounds like Cindy's fast in more ways than one.

#92 jehu

I'll give you your due. I was witholding judgement until he bought this hudna deal. Now, I'll hold out a glimmer of hope that somehow he'll come out smelling like a rose, but I seriously doubt it. I'm not impress.

This may not be the best time to throw the Israeli government into political chaos, but they need someone with a little more credibility than Olmert. I think he's blown it, and I have a hard time seeing how he's going to recover it at this point.

Now that the Israelis seems to be more united in determination to deal with this problem than ever, there may be an opening for Bibi. His problems notwithstanding, I think he's the only one out there with the credability to get things done. I hope the right parties can see this, and support him. They slashed him to shreds in the last election.

If not, Olmert will fiddle, but they'll muddle through. The difference is that they'll still be dealing with these problems 5 and 10 years from now.

Of course, if the Aug 22 theories are true, all bets are off.

Now Israel needs to tough it out and wait for Hezbollah to start suicide bombing Spanish, Italian and French peacekeepers.

Hello? France is already on record that the bluehelmuts are not going to forcibly disarm Hez. The UN is Hezbollah's friend, and they know it. All of Condi's talk about a "robust" force is just hot air, and everyone over there knows it.

The UN and Europe have been sitting on the sidelines of WW IV. Resolution 1701 puts them on the field. Now Israel needs to tough it out and wait for Hezbollah to start suicide bombing Spanish, Italian and French peacekeepers.

Emmmhmmm. Not to mention the inevitable plots for bombings inside Spain, Italy, and France until they "withdraw" from Lebanon.

Google News came up with this. Says she was in the hospital for a minor gynecological (sp?) procedure.

#94 Swampwoman

My semi-ex-brother-in-law is an Indian who owned a convience store. After talking to him about it I have come to beleive it is a cultural thing from non-Western countries.

These folks have little respect for government in general because where they come from cops and taxmen are just another form of organized crime. When you come from that environment you are always looking for a way to game the system. I have seen Russian Jews, Arab Muslims and Indian Hindus do the same thing.

I'm half expecting dramatic footage of Mamma Sheehan collapsing in front of Bush's ranch and of her being frantically loaded into an passing ambulance by people waving their arms and ducking for cover.

jester6 #99

The UN and Europe have been sitting on the sidelines of WW IV. Resolution 1701 puts them on the field.

The U.N. passed 15 resolutions against Saddam Hussein for years, he broke all of them. When the U.S. did something about it the U.N. and most of Europe rallied to our side...no wait, that didn't happen. They were pissed cause we wrecked the money machine known as food for oil.

My conclusion is that the U.N. is the enemy of the United States and Israel, always has been, always will be. We are alone, along with the anglo-sphere, it is the U.S. and Israel.

#109 Bweep

I'm half expecting dramatic footage of Mamma Sheehan collapsing in front of Bush's ranch and of her being frantically loaded into an passing ambulance by people waving their arms and ducking for cover.

Maybe she'll be loaded up by Green Helmet guy...

#91, TS,

Islam turns people into monsters.

I would take it a step further and say that Islam has a magnetic appeal to those who are already pre-disposed to being monsters. Islam just provides the refining process. Deception, deceit and discord are just some of the tools used. The deceit in the photographs from the wire services is an example. Nobody hijacked Islam; Islam hijacks the souls of the dysfunctional willing.

#108 Jester

They may not have a lot of respect for cops and the law, but when Philip Morris says they ain't gonna play dat wit' the storekeeper no mo', it gets their attention.

112 grandma

I would take it a step further and say that Islam has a magnetic appeal to those who are already pre-disposed to being monsters.

Why do you think their prime recruiting grounds are prisons?

#82 antisocial_ist

#63 galloping granny

Thanks for the info on Wal-Mart. I didn't know that.

There was another story that you missed antisocial-ist. Here, yesterday sometime. Happened in West Virginia.

#71 jester6
The tracphones in question can be unlocked and sold without their GSM chips all over the world for more then they cost at Walmart.

The thing was though, these particular cell-phones had no battery either. Those were removed and put in a separae box.

#114, Earth2moonbat,

Exactly.

#85 ploome hineni

#80 Cattt 8/12/2006 03:42PM PDT
In case this was not linked:

[Link: www.lightstal...]

Mr. Denton - info from Lightstalkers.

any of these fauzztographers working in ISrael

or are they all based in Lebanon?

Not many. I did see one comment on that board about the Israelis controlling photo-ops too, along with the comment "they'll shoot you" - the Israelis do not allow pictures that would give classified information to the enemy. They also are not real big on having photographers shooting pics of the dead or walking through the hospitals, but that seems to be individual rather than government controlled.

Several nights ago I did write to one of my sources and complain mightily about the difference in numbers of pics and the subject matter of the pics coming from the two sides. I did not get a reply, but I have noticed the last couple of days that the pics are not quite so unbalanced as they have been.

Necrophiliacs.

#113 Swampwomen

Yep. I hear that. Funny how that works regardless of where the storekeeper came from.

#110 Jehu & #105 Dead See Squirrel

France, the UN and most of the West don't want to get involved. They just want their oil. To a certain extent the US is guilty of that too.

The more French or Spanish or German or Italian or any-non-Muslim-nation boots on Arab soil the more attention is going to shift to those countries. They will become targets and start to be attacked.

Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, al Queda and all the other Islamic Fascists do not need a logical reason to attack the West. They already want to destroy us all. This just gets those countries involved.

Consider WWII for a moment. I cannot think of an allied country that got involved until it either suffered a serious attack or was flat out conquered. Western Democracies are not going to get involved until they take many casualties because wars suck and people would rather not fight.

Think like Machiavelli for a moment and it will start to make sense. The more European blood spilled now the less blood spilled between now and the end WW IV.

For the first time in more than 30 years there is a chink in the leftist propganda machine's armor. What a fine time this is. Thank you Tim Berners-Lee for your contribution.

CNN has been unable to corroborate Irani's allegations. The Metropolitan Police tell CNN they have not been made aware of any official complaint about the detainees' treatment.

But that won't stop you from spreading rumors, will it al-CNN?

#121 jester6 8/12/2006 04:24PM PDT

"Consider WWII for a moment. I cannot think of an allied country that got involved until it either suffered a serious attack or was flat out conquered. Western Democracies are not going to get involved until they take many casualties because wars suck and people would rather not fight."

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jester6, I know what you're saying. But don't forget this:

America.

Lend-lease, Flying Tigers, the Americans who flew British Spitfires for the RAF and were shot down defending Britain in 1940. The American destroyer Reuben James being sunk by a U-boat because we were sending supplies to the Brits (or Soviets, I forget).

Not just Roosevelt's official aid, but many private citizens went to war against the Nazis and Japs long before Pearl Harbor.

These were people of conscience.

jester6,

But you are right about the Europeans. They are in it for themselves.

In WWII, America to some extent was an exception.

#124 social-ist

Not just Roosevelt's official aid, but many private citizens went to war against the Nazis and Japs long before Pearl Harbor.

FDR's unofficial aid was quite extensive. You just won't read about a lot of it for another 50 or 100 years or so.

#112 grandma

Nobody hijacked Islam; Islam hijacks the souls of the dysfunctional willing.

Profound.

I think hauling around a truck full of children’s bodies for choreographed photos is child porn or worse.

If Denton is correct that photogs/stringers are directing emergency workers to position children’s bodies from staged shots it has gotten down to gutter level dishonesty.

There should be some way of stopping this. I can’t believe that is doesn’t violate either US, or international law. The authorities should investigate this matter (just like a Child Porn case).

Another approached would include emailing TV stations and or the “news” outlets who propagate said "dead child" photos and urge them to quit publishing them.

#93 dead sea squirrel

I don't see what there is in Denton's update that could be called "backing off somewhat." He clarifies that he is nottalking about Qana but another location, and apologizes for leaving that unclear. If anything, he strengthenshis original claim by saying that not only has he seen this sordid staging, but other photogs have told him it's not unusual.

You are right about him making his original point stronger by revealing that other photographers have witnessed such situations as well.

It's my take that his apology is broader in scope than merely clarifying where he saw these incidents:

again, i am terribly sorry for rattling the saber so hard….re-reading my words I too should have been a bit more responsible.

He's a "member of the club" and was responding to comments like this by his peers -- who refuse to believe what he is saying:

Bryan’s allogations are staggering (and frankly, ring of a certain amount of polemnical choreography themselves, however, if he witnessed these events, I trust that he will come forth and further elucidate his experience)...

If true, those comments (and they are blanket statements) should be backed-up and more thoroughly documented. I also think, in truth, LightStalkers, is not the forum for this kind of blind siding or willy/nilly statements. If his experience (and it is only his) is valid, it is a serious breach (though, who is surprised, for in war all involved are weened by the madness of destruction and suffering and sorrow, that we are often rendered incapable of insight or judgement or trigger-twink’d truth…) Hower, I agree with Tim that it is IRRESPONSIBLE to (in country or not) to mark such damning accusations, particularly in such a forceful and all-encompassing categorization as “behavior of many of the lebanese wire service photographers…”

and

Sorry to push you on this Bryan, but did you or your friends either document these actions or challenge the protagonists?
...
If your description of photographers disinterring bodies from graves and placing them in the arms of people to stage images is accurate then you have no need to apologize, but I think you do have an obligation to provide more substance. Maybe the other “respected photographers” can put their names to these allegations.

Hopefully, Denton and others will respond to these questions with even more details.

SO...
The anchor on CNN said:
" We have an exclusive interview with the attorney for two of the suspects in the British bombing concerning claims the men have been mistreated by police.
CNN can't corroborate the allegations, but lets hear what she has to say"...(this is not a joke)

The claims had to do with them being cold and not being allowed to talk to their attorney.

Awww!

stik

Check out the comments.

Two legs bad, four legs good.

America and Israel bad, Hezb'allah good.

Evening folks

Wow that formate was hard on the eyes w/ all that scrolling back and forth read pretty much the whole lightstalkers thread close to all of this one. Thimothy

Pornoganda?

sorry hit the wrong button posted too early. timothy fadek has his pictures from lebanon. he is the poster that is speaking against Denton.

one case where a group of wire photogs were choreographing the unearthing of bodies, directing emergency workers here and there, asking them to position bodies just so, even remove bodies that have already been put in graves so that they can photograph them in peoples arms.

It comes to mind that there was a recent case of an alleged massacre by US troops were it was asked to unearth the alleged victims... If I recollect correct, that request was denied due to concern with local sensibilities...

Not photoshopped...seem definately choreographed to stik.
From the Chyiah photos at Yahoo photos.

go here
stik

Evil... and the sevants of evil.

#45 - If the courageous Afghan women of RAWA could photograph the Taliban's executions of women in the soccer stadium, surely someone can manage to get photos/videos of this atrocity.

I'm still trying to figure out this guy Bob Black on lightstalkers thread. here's a snip

fucking bastards we have become on all sides…..the death of a child is the death of us all, how we continue to refuse to understand in our wilding, frightened grief of loss…...no more from me about this, lebanese child, israeli child, palistian child, afghani child, iraqi child, spanish child, pakistani child, indian child, egyptian child, russian child, kazak child, chetnian child, neworleans child, european child, asian child, s.american child, grief, grief, grief,

and i thought i could make a run on sentance!

This by Hugo Infante:

You can caught a liar first than a thief.

Charles I swear i have not been moonlighting as hugo infante. even 'tho it looks like i typed it.

remove bodies that have already been put in graves so that they can photograph them in peoples arms

Bastards, the photograpers and the people who do it.

126 galloping granny

#124 social-ist

Not just Roosevelt's official aid, but many private citizens went to war against the Nazis and Japs long before Pearl Harbor.

FDR's unofficial aid was quite extensive. You just won't read about a lot of it for another 50 or 100 years or so.

I won't be reading anything in another 50 or 100 years! But, seriously, if you are saying that there exist classified U.S. government documents about Roosevelt's unofficial aid, those documents should be available by now under the provisions of Executive Order 12958 (Classified National Security Information, dated 17 April 1995).

#57 Swampy:

I was there.

Looks like the "photojournalists" are upset that someone who isn't in the club got the secret clubhouse password.

I really like how the guy said I was trying to "justify aggression". No editorializing from that photojournalist. No, none at all. Gee, I wonder what "aggression" he supposes I was trying to justify.

Coudn't possibly be the Jooos, could it?

Here's a question no one seems to have considered.

In wartime there is usually far too many dead bodies. Are there so few dead bodies from Israeli attacks that Hizbullah has to ship them in? Why would Hizbullah need to fake extra ones?

Even worse. Are Hizbullah/Lebanese Civil Defence making no attempt to rescue victims of the war in favour of easier, cleaner photo opportunities?

#134 fraxinus americana

I was impressed with the work of timothy fadek particularly the numerous pictures of survivors. At least I was until I came to #17 in the series and possibly #23

Mr. Fadek seems to have developed a case of the artifactitis i.e. clean, significant objects (Mickey Mouse; blue pacifiers; mannequins in wedding dresses), appearing in otherwise filthy, dusty scenes of catastrophe. In Australia, we called both the pacifier and the mannequin, dummies.

Perhaps we should just call the media, dummies!

[Link: www.kevinwolf.com...]

I feared this would happen, that somebody would put a post-modernist spin on the scandal and argue that you can't trust what you see anyway, that there's no "reality" out there, that every picture is an interpretation, that "objectivity" is an illusion.

Well lizards, it's happened, and it's one of the most sickening, vile things I've ever read, especially vile since we are dealing not with "texts" and "discourses" but with people's lives.
This is what we are up against, not just the Jihadists:

[Link: www.slate.com...]

# 2 Quella

Great insight. It's sheer porn.

# 29 American Jewess

The scenario is very, very likely since the bodies he's been displaying are clearly way past rigor mortis, with no wounds or blood in sight. None whatsoever.
I shudder to think how this whole think was staged, where the corpses came from, and how babies' corpses could be abused in such a manner.