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-RetweetA Death Cult Party in Jenin

Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 5:31:37 pm PDT

Here are some mainstream media photographs of a death cult party in the West Bank town of Jenin that are definitely not faked or staged, as Palestinians murder a “collaborator” in a public square in front of a celebratory crowd—who then take pictures of the murdered man with their mobile phones, propping up his head to get a better angle.

Have you ever seen people more deserving of their own state?

Palestinian gunmen, who identified themselves as members of the Islamic Jihad group, shoot a man in a public square in the West Bank town of Jenin Sunday Aug. 13, 2006. The man, who was executed in front of hundreds of people, was accused by the gunmen of giving information to Israeli authorities, helping them to kill two militants last week in a targeted attack, said witnesses and Islamic Jihad members. The victim was identified as Bassem Malah, 22, who worked in the Israeli Arab town of Umm al Fahm. (AP Photo/Mohammed Ballas)

As others take pictures with their mobile phones, a man kicks the lifeless body of an alleged ‘collaborator’ after he was shot and killed by Palestinian gunmen, who identified themselves as members of the Islamic Jihad group, in a public square in the West Bank town of Jenin Sunday Aug. 13, 2006. (AP Photo/Mohammed Ballas)

Palestinians, some taking pictures with their mobile phones, gather around the body of an alleged ‘collaborator’ after gunmen, who identified themselves as members of the Islamic Jihad group, shot him and killed him in a public square in the West Bank town of Jenin Sunday Aug. 13, 2006. (AP Photo/Mohammed Ballas)

A woman, mother of a militant killed by the Israeli army in 2002, steps on the body of an alleged ‘collaborator’ after Palestinian gunmen, who identified themselves as members of the Islamic Jihad group, shot him and killed him in a public square in the West Bank town of Jenin Sunday Aug. 13, 2006. (AP Photo/Mohammed Ballas)

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1 christheprofessor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:33:20pm

Such lovely people... But, islamic civilization is spotless...

2 NuclearTinkerbell  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:33:58pm

Spotless Islamic history in motion?

3 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:34:43pm

Charles, did you blur the images? I ones that I saw about an hour ago were clear.

4 Dreadnaught  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:34:45pm

Wow.

Wait a minute...was this guy an Israeli citizen?

Not that it makes a difference-- murdering thugs are murdering thugs. Calls for "Justice for Palestine" have a whole new meaning when you look at pictures like these.

5 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:35:09pm

Just imagine what they do to their enemies.

6 Cartman  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:35:10pm

Reverse human evolution, on display.

7 Charles  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:35:26pm

I blurred the images, yes. Click the pictures to see the clear versions.

8 gopninja  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:35:41pm

off topic i guess but that 60 minutes ahmadinejad interview is completely awful, im not journalism expert but it seems like he ran circles around wallace while mike walace was busy complimenting him on his clothes. I usually am not overly critical of wallace but i feel like he blew it.

9 Cartman  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:36:38pm

Well, we've had car swarms and building swarms. No we have the "informant swarm".

10 Bad Penny  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:36:55pm

And people wonder why more Muslims don't speak up against the terrorists. How many people would risk this sort of treatment? I wonder if I would be brave enough.

11 logger phd  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:37:40pm

Their obsession with revenge borders on the masturbatory.

WHy can't they discover the autumn joy we here in the USA derive from highly-paid gentlemen dressed in plastic armor slamming into each other once a week?

12 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:37:41pm
Click the pictures to see the clear versions.


It's alright, I've seen enough disgusting photographs this past week to last a lifetime.

13 solomonpanting  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:37:59pm

I expect this from members of Islamic Jihad.
Now, if they were members of Hamas I'd really be shocked since Hamas was elected on a non-corruption, law and order platform.
/

14 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:38:57pm

Hey Mike Wallace: These are the people you support.

15 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:39:09pm

The Reuters pics of the same execution...
Yahoo pics
Notice the photo credit "REUTERS/Stringer (WEST BANK)". Is this a new practice of using nameless stringers? I've never seen this before.

16 least  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:39:10pm

This is normal . . . you have to understand their culture
/gannon

17 DistantThunder  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:39:12pm

Clowns for Allah.

18 ointmentfly  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:39:17pm

To call them jackals is just a low blow to the jackal.

Human rights watch is where? Oh right, in Lebanon whining about the civilians that didn't know there was a huge weapons cache in the basement or were made instant combatants by Hezbollah when they fired rockets from the roof.

19 sandbox  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:39:23pm

Now that Lebanon cease fire is on, we will probably see more media focus on Gaza.

20 sngnsgt  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:39:44pm

Where's the outrage from the Democrats?

21 christheprofessor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:40:01pm

#11 logger

They don't get the roller derby in Jenin...

22 Goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:40:23pm

Actually, Charles, I appreciate your blurring the photo. It honors the dignity of the victim while still naking the point.

23 Orson Buggy  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:40:52pm

#21 christheprofessor

Yeah it's more like "Running Man".

24 scorpio  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:42:10pm

Death cult party is a perfect description of these terrorists. How on earth can Israel ever be expected to live side by side in peace with these people?

I misspoke, these are not people, they are animals. May they rot in hell. And the sooner the better.

25 Super Fly  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:42:35pm

This is the real reason there are no moderate or peaceful Muslims: anyone who goes against the death cult is killed.

In this way, only the most violent and aggressive survive.

26 logger phd  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:42:36pm

Yeah, I guess these guys are more into "reality" TV: none off this staged violence, or metaphorical war or revenge --give us the real deal, with audience participation!

27 solomonpanting  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:42:38pm

Barbarians using western technology for murder and media.

28 shug  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:42:44pm

Every photo I have seen of this scene is totally devoid of blood.

makes me wonder if this guy was already dead when he was shot

29 AtlantaReason  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:42:59pm

I am trying to figure out why ANYONE thinks that these "people" can be reasoned with, trusted, or allowed autonomy at Israel's borders. So much for a democratic process. Truly, this is becomming a clash of civilizations.

30 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:43:01pm

#22 Goddessoftheclassroom
I second that motion.

31 Wisenheimer  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:43:15pm

#22 goddessoftheclassroom

Actually, Charles, I appreciate your blurring the photo. It honors the dignity of the victim while still naking the point.

Compare that to Green Helmet Guy's exhibitionism.

32 Goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:44:20pm

#31 Wisenheimer

Exactly.

33 The Albatross  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:44:28pm

It is the hardest thing I have ever done, is to make myself see the sad reality of how these people use their own humanity for murder and blood lust.

34 blogroll  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:44:30pm

I think Charles might have it wrong.

I have good information that the people doing the shooting are actually the collection department of the Palestinian Authority Cellular Phone Service.

The cellular service has a slogan of "declaring Jihad against high cell phone service prices"

But!

You really don't want to miss a payment.

35 mjazzguitar  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:44:36pm

I'm surprised these pictures got out. Usually the PA strictly controls the news. One western reporter actually apologized to them a while ago for pictures that weren't supposed to be taken. I think it was of the Israeli soldiers who were killed after taking a wrong turn.

36 ointmentfly  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:45:11pm

#28

I don't see any blood either, but he looks like he is realy trying to get out of the way in the first picture...

37 christheprofessor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:45:27pm

#29 AtlanaReason

Truly, this is becomming a clash of civilizations.

I disagree, but only on the semantics -- for it to be a clash of civilizations, both sides have to be civilized...

38 sndpaper  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:45:27pm

Somehow, phrases like "...of their father, the Devil" and "...brute beasts, made to be destroyed" come to mind.

39 rayra[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:45:47pm
40 RedPepper  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:47:03pm

Hey, at least they killed the guy before they started abusing the corpse! Maybe it's worth something being a "fellow Muslim" after all ?!?

/s

41 Max DarkSide  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:47:08pm

#9 Cartman

Well, we've had car swarms and building swarms. No we have the "informant swarm".

I declare it as a "Corpse Swarm", an inverse variant of the "Corpse Parade" (funeral, babies from Qana, etc.)

42 Semper Fi  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:47:36pm

Liberals, media, ACLU, CAIR, UN, Iran, Syria, our friends the Saudis, France, etc. and etc. I can only wonder how long we got. So many people and organizations working so hard to set us back 1000 years.

43 westoner  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:48:01pm

Coming to a street in Europe near you...

44 jimmytheclaw  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:48:12pm

somebody want to pass this to charles

[Link: www.newsoftheworld.co.uk...]

and i got a great picture of him on my blog

here [Link: thingsirightclickedon.blogspot.com...]

heres a taste of the story

IF YOU'RE A MUSLIM - IT'S YOUR PROBLEM


WHEN will the Muslims of Britain stand up to be counted?

When will they declare, loud and clear, with no qualifications or quibbles about Britain's foreign policy, that Islamic terrorism is WRONG?

Most of all, when will the Muslim community in this country accept an absolute, undeniable, total truth: that Islamic terrorism is THEIR problem? THEY own it. And it is THEIR duty to face it and eradicate it.

To stop the denial, endless fudging and constant wailing that somehow it is everyone else's problem and, if Islamic terrorism exists at all, they are somehow the main victims.

45 cicero05  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:48:24pm

Has there ever been a sicker, more primitive and hateful culture than what they've managed to build in Gaza and the West Bank?

What a bunch of cockroaches. All of them deserve hell.

46 chubby vegan  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:49:00pm

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down

47 capt.fishsticks  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:49:07pm

...these people give savages a bad name...forgive me, but just once i'd like to see a video image from a smart bomb heading directly into the middle of swarm of that human garbage..."look achmed, what in the name of allah (spit) is that coming toward us?"...

48 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:49:24pm

Ceasefire with terrorists.

This is a hell of a way to fight a war.

Another impresive precedent set.

The lesson the terrorists have learned here?

That if you play victim propaganda games with western media you can make the leaders of the west blink. It teaches them once again western leaders to not have the stomach for a fight.

49 Wisenheimer  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:49:40pm

Bibi in the Jerusalem Post:

Unfortunately, there will be another round [in this war] because the government's just demands weren't met (by the cease-fire agreement).

The [kidnapped] soldiers weren't returned home, the Hizbullah was not disarmed … Right now, we are [merely] in an interim period between wars. And there is no one who will prevent our enemies from rearmed and preparing for the next round.

We were a responsible opposition. We aided in every way, including in the media war. (But ) our public duty is to tell the truth, because unfortunately there will be another round.

We were living in a coma, and received an alarm warning telling us to return to reality as it is, and to return to ourselves and to those values that will secure our existence in the future.

How long will we leave the job unfinished?

50 shug  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:49:53pm

just out of curiosity, the technology used in their camera phones came from where?

the mullahs?

51 Bad Penny  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:50:02pm

Rayra,

FAE? Whuzzat?

52 ointmentfly  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:50:14pm

May bombs be upon them...

53 AtlantaReason  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:51:32pm

#37 christheprofessor

You got me there. I suppose "civilization" could have used some defining parameters.

54 TorchyThePenguin  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:51:32pm

I didn't know they have apes in the ME...

55 saywhat?  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:51:33pm

OT

@ DRUDGE

MUSLIMS FACE EXTRA CHECKS IN NEW TRAVEL CRACKDOWN

- just a headline; no article yet.

56 Thanos  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:52:15pm

Maybe we can convince them that Nasrallah's an informant.

57 Max DarkSide  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:52:58pm

anyone notice thems guys have pretty new "assault weapons", like USA style? Your tax dollars hard at work. Nice scopes, too. Weapons are hardly even dusty yet.

Wonder where they got em.

58 Globular Cluster  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:53:19pm

These people are really fucking gross. Let's give them a state.

59 Max DarkSide  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:53:33pm

I mean in the LAST pic, not the first one

60 Cartman  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:53:38pm

How do they afford camera phones, when the entire Palestinian population (according to the left/MSM) is literally starving?

61 Kirly  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:53:44pm

My G-d! Enough already! What can good and decent people hope to accomplish when forced to live with and interact with such mindless hate? The War started 1400 years ago. Time to finally win already.

62 Globular Cluster  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:54:20pm

OT:

Ynet actually takes CNN to task for outrageous anti-Israel bias:

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

63 brenda  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:55:01pm

Palis may not all be able to get a memorial body part to take home, but they can at least have a snapshot to remember the occasion.

64 T. Jefferson  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:55:05pm

Iran launches Holocaust cartoon exhibit

An exhibition of more than 200 cartoons about the Holocaust opened Monday as Iran's response to last year's Muslim outrage over a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper.

The display, showing 204 entries from Iran and abroad, was strongly influenced by the views of Iran's hard-line president, Mahoud Ahmadinejad, who drew widespread condemnation last year for calling the Holocaust a "myth" and saying Israel should be destroyed. ...


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

65 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:55:44pm
#51 Bad Penny

FAE? Whuzzat?

Fuel/Air Explosive (FAE)

/bad craziness

66 rayra[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:55:50pm
67 IM  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:56:00pm

If those present at this Death Cult Party are not a target-rich environment, then I don't know what is. And it doesn't matter if this poor guy worked for Israel or not (then he may have been the only innocent there) - what's important is that others came because they believed that he did. So it's be most appropriate to send those barbarians to where they belong (i.e hell) before they killed more people.

68 Cartman  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:56:43pm

#57 Max

anyone notice thems guys have pretty new "assault weapons", like USA style? Your tax dollars hard at work. Nice scopes, too. Weapons are hardly even dusty yet.

I was wondering the same thing. Those are not your standard Russian-issued party favors.

69 mkm19602000  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:57:54pm

#24 scorpio

They are not just animals, they are rabid animals.In the end you must put them down to end their misery. I have turned this over in my mind time and time again, they cannot be in any way, shape or form rehabilitated.

70 Bad Penny  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:58:06pm
The War started 1400 years ago. Time to finally win already.

Exactly. It has nothing to do with Bush or Blair or the Iraq war or the USA or the Balfour declaration. Time to get it over with once and for all.

71 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:58:36pm
The man, who was executed

"Executed"? More like "murdered." Execution implies a death carried out in accordance with the laws of a sovereign nation.

I don't know how low my opinion of the Islamofascists can go. What's lower than whale shit?

72 Bad Penny  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:59:41pm

Thanks Killian and Rayra.

73 Bobblehead  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:59:51pm

I saw those photos on another website last night. Wish I hadn't. Not a picture you want to have in your head before you go to sleep.


Your first instinct is to call them loathesome animals but that phrase really isn't vile enough.

74 tigger2005  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 3:59:56pm

I've given it some thought, and I've decided that "barbarians" really isn't the right word for these people. "Animals" isn't quite right either, because animals are not responsible for their actions. "Thugs" comes closer, but it just isn't harsh enough.

Perhaps "The not-Jews" ? They are, after all, the polar opposites of the Jewish people. Jews love life, they love death. Jews prize education, they prize pigheaded stupidity. Jews prize their children, they kill their children. Jews love peace, they love war. Jews build and create and grow, they destroy. Jews love, they hate. Jews are industrious, they are lazy (except when it comes to trying to kill Jews, or each other). Jews don't ask anything of the world but to be left alone ... they think the world owes them everything. Jews love order, they love chaos. Jews love law, they love lawlessness. Jews are great, brave warriors, Jews wear clean underwear and take baths, they ... well, you get the idea.

Yeah, The not-Jews. That works.

75 scorpio  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:01:48pm

And Kofi continues to call the cards for Israel. All of his outrage is reserved for Israel. Who gets condemned for human rights violations? Who gets accused of deliberately attacking the UN?
Kofi is as responsible for this as the death cult party. May he rot in hell too.

76 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:04:05pm

It's about time the American street got angry

No one likes to talk of such things. We consider it anti-American.

But even more anti-American is allowing ourselves to be butchered by a population riddled with killers and saboteurs plotting treason and mass-murder every hour of the day, as well as their moral support system that encourages them.

There is too much equivocation about terrorism. There is too much protection of hate-preachers and actual terrorists. There is too much coordination with the terrorists' message of the day. There is too much support, active support or the sorter sort of moral support, for the terrorists in Muslim communities.

You guys had better get your shit under control, pronto. Because the American Street is growing very angry indeed.

You wouldn't like the American Street when it's angry.

Do you not realize that, due to our compassion, openness, and commitment to tolerance, we have lost more than 3000 lives, spent billions on security measures and unprecendentedly humane military interventions, seen hell wreaked on our economy, and have seen our lives disrupted and inconvenienced and just made generally poorer overall?

At what point do you think the limits of compassion, openness, and commitment to tolerance are reached? Do you imagine our virture -- or weakness, as you would have it -- in this regard is infinite?

Do you not comprehend that at some point the majority of the American, British, Australian, etc. people aren't going to realize their lives could be better and safer were it not for the expensive and dangerous presence of a great many Muslims on their soil? Muslims who seem to place a greater value on loyalty to their correligionists than they do to loyalty to their ostensible country of citizenship, or even to the basic human value that human life shall not be snuffed out maliciously?

When do you imagine the paradigm shifts from "deport only those found beyond all reasonable doubt to be supporters of terrorism" to "deport any and all you legally can, because we are just tired of living in the shadow of death"?

This country stamped out the KKK. It will take less to stamp out the Islamic KKK, because half of the recently-minted Islamic "citizens" in Britain and even America will be found to have, if we look carefully enough (and we will begin looking carefully, very soon) irregularities and small misrepresentations on their visas and citizenship applications that will serve nicely as a pretext for large-scale revocations of citizenship and deportation back to their home hellholes.

Get your vile, racist, hateful, murder-porn culture under control, or we are going to eventually use every legal pretext possible to de-export it back to the shitholes you come from, and quarrantine your vicious madness there.

A commitment to tolerance cannot be stretched to become a suicide pact.

We don't want to do anything like that. Even I, at my most disgusted with Muslim political pornography, still hold out hope for sanity to return to the Muslim population.

But this has to stop. Now.

77 Earth2moonbat  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:04:20pm

From timesonline:

Muslims face extra checks in new travel crackdown

THE [British] Government is discussing with airport operators plans to introduce a screening system that allows security staff to focus on those passengers who pose the greatest risk.

The passenger-profiling technique involves selecting people who are behaving suspiciously, have an unusual travel pattern or, most controversially, have a certain ethnic or religious background.

Charles! Thread!

This will be controversial until a plane blows up.

78 ouray  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:06:19pm

#66 rayra

I'd drop one on every death swarm in Gaza and the West Bank, until they were sick enough of death to quit worshipping it.

Drop a couple. The incremental cost of additional ordinance is negligible.


/Did I just say that outloud?

79 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:06:51pm
#66 rayra

Fuel/Air Explosive. The modern replacement to napalm.
I'd drop one on every death swarm in Gaza and the West Bank

What fun would that be?

/two words: Daisy Cutter

80 Rancher  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:08:19pm

I'm sure those who are champions of the club Gitmo detainees will rise up in indignation at this lack of due process. If I was in the crowd you can be sure I’d be kicking the crap out of his body too, since all someone has to do is point a finger my way and say those magical words: Collaborator!

81 CrimsonFisted  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:08:29pm

Lovely woman. I never want to see another wailing muslima. I will see this bitch in my mind's eye. On Atlas's site she had one of the pictures of the beheaded little girls. I have yet to get that image out of my head. That is the same with these images. Forever in my head. Whenever I see someone wearing a hefty bag, I will see this.

God bless Israel for dealing with this for so many years with so much grace.

As for me, time to play Cowboys and muslims.

82 macofromoc  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:08:38pm

How very atypical for the ROP.

83 zombie  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:08:51pm

Helped needed!

Remember the blue pacifier baby? I need to find the highest-resolution picture of the baby as possible, especially with a view of the baby's LEFT arm. For some reason, I'm having trouble finding a decent picture on the web. Any source is acceptable -- on a news site, on a blog, whatever -- but as part of an original news article would be best, if possible.

The reason: a reader sent me a picture and pointed something out that, if true, would be a new scandal -- but I need to absolutely confirm he didn't photoshop it expertly, by looking at neutral independent picture of the same scene.

Thanks!

Post the link here.

84 helofixer  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:08:57pm

Oh look more corpses for GHG and his ilk to dig up and parade before the cameras when the bloodthirsty Israelis violate the ceasfire.

/sarc

85 christheprofessor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:09:05pm

#78 ouray

Drop a couple. The incremental cost of additional ordinance is negligible.

I don't think additional regulation will help... ;)

86 ted  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:09:06pm

62 GC:

CNN International makes Al-Jazzera seem like Romper Room...Biggest collection of jew-hating jihadi c*ck-sucking scumbags around...

87 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:09:39pm

CAIR stinks...

U.S. Muslims feel Americans' prejudice

PARVEZ AHMED


Today we all live in fear of terrorism. Equating terrorism with Islam makes the mainstream Muslim community doubly vulnerable to both the random acts of terror and the ensuing backlash. (aboo-hoo-hooed - ed)

In these trying times it is important our nation stands united (The please stop trying to kill us - ed). Muslims form an important part of the fabric of America (not so much really - ed). We are law-abiding citizens who have always been dedicated to the protection of our national security (Then please let us monitor mosques and muslim charities - ed). We should not be targeted or singled out because of our faith (Then please stop trying to kill us in the name of your god - ed). Nor should our faith be equated with the evils of terrorism or fascism (Then please stop the terrorism and the desire to conquer the world - ed). We do not control or have say over the actions of shadowy terrorist groups (It would be nice if they weren't allowed to operate amongst you ed). But as taxpayers we certainly have a right to petition and expect our own to government do everything in its powers to protect us by all means, including avoiding counterproductive rhetoric. (I don't give a fuck what you think about our rhetoric - ed)

88 scorpio  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:10:30pm

#69 mkm

Agree. Rabid. Israel needs to give them the ultimate rabies shot.

89 NoSubmission  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:11:13pm

Mohammed Ballas, AP's top TERRORAZZI!

90 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:11:13pm

#77 Earth2moonbat
Yippeee!

91 christheprofessor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:11:21pm

#83 zombie

Check here...

92 Clay Jarr  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:11:46pm

Three words: Religion of Peace

93 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:12:01pm

For anyone out there who is an "eventualist" and of the opinion that western technology and consumerism simply modernize cultures who adopt such technology/consumption - look at the pictures.

Cell phone cameras deeply entwined in what is an ancient stoning ritual.

A culture beyond reform.

94 Nordish12  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:13:14pm

Sick bastards!

95 chewydog  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:16:26pm

I remeber this being a long and drawn out trial...nevermind

96 WriterMom  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:16:52pm

Charles-have you thought about asking what AP's and Reuters policies are regarding executions?

97 chewydog  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:17:43pm

#95
remeber is shorthand for remember.

98 storagemanager  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:18:25pm

That was Islam sending him to PEACE.

99 christheprofessor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:18:33pm

Speaking of al-Reuters -- the count is up to 55, pretty high for a day without a fautoshopping bust...

al-Reuters: We Distort. You Deride.

100 anti-fada  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:18:40pm

Now we can see why we hear so little from the moderate Mohammedans: they are either hiding or they are dead.

101 republic  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:19:09pm

And these are the very people who the leftist Democrats consider "freedom fighters"!

/spit on islamofascism and leftist Democrats!

102 WriterMom  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:19:25pm

What I mean is: how did the photographer know when the execution was going to take place-did he get a press release, a text message-an e-mail?

What is their policy about witnessing, and thereby becoming a party to-murder? Just keep taking pictures?

103 Maria  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:19:46pm

This is how they handle "suspects"?

Where is Human Rights Watch and the International Red Cross and all the other Leftest moonbats?

Why aren't they there to protect the rights of "suspects"...oh I forgot they are to busy looking at USA and Israel?

ANIMALS!

104 scorpio  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:20:35pm

#87 Kilgore Trout

Today we all live in fear of terrorism. Equating terrorism with Islam makes the mainstream Muslim community doubly vulnerable to both the random acts of terror and the ensuing backlash. (aboo-hoo-hooed - ed)

Cry me a river. When was the last time an American flew an airplane into a mosque filled with Muslims? When was the last time an American shot and killed women in a Muslim community center?

Why the hell don't you Muslim leaders tell your fellow Muslims to stop blowing up airplanes?

105 zenbone  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:21:15pm

Mohammed Ballas seems to get front row seats at Balestinian Execution Parties!

106 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:23:32pm

I do believe it will inevitably be necessary to nuke these vile savages. They are without hope to ever become civilized or even human. They are animals. (and I apologize for that insult to the animals)

107 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:23:43pm

Did anybody see W's press conference today?

He totally called Iran out and seemed extremely grim.

/almost foreboding

108 Tokyobk  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:24:36pm

Everyone is being too harsh. How many of us get up on the train to give an old lady a seat? Look how graciuosly the young men help the nice lady step on the face of the collaborator.

109 NoSubmission  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:25:32pm

#28 shug


Every photo I have seen of this scene is totally devoid of blood.

makes me wonder if this guy was already dead when he was shot

I looked again, and you're right. For a freshly shot adult human, there isn't any blood. Not sure if that makes it better or worse anymore... I'm getting numb. SHUdder~

110 SuperdaveTWC  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:25:56pm

The first photo shows the pigf***ers wielding AKMS assault rifles (about $50 a piece in Africa and the Middle East), which are Kalashnikov AKM select-fire rifles with folding buttstocks designed originally for airborne infantry.

The AKM is the AK47 modified to use a stamped receiver, instead of a machined receiver and other manufacturing shortcuts (much cheaper to make).

The last photo seems to show a US M-16A2 (note the integral left-handed brass deflector if you blow up the image), with two 30-round magazines taped together.

Oddly, the upside-down taped magazine appears empty and to have been taped after the first magazine has been inserted. This defies logic, unless the magazines were taped together with a spacer to allow them to be inserted into the magazine welll.

Normally, when you tape two magazines together, you do it such that they are offset by about three inches to allow room to insert the magazines into the magazine well.

Anyway, it might not be a select-fire US military M-16A2, but a commercially-available semiautomatic AR-15 which can cost anywhere from about $600 USD to over $1500 USD.

Nevertheless, the guy in the last photo appears to be someone of a much higher status or income than the guys in the first photo.

111 rinkus  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:26:59pm

Can't wait until the PA gets its own seat on the UN Human Rights Commission.

112 swamprat  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:27:02pm

87 Killgore Trout... Sorry, but I'll have to side with CAIR on this one. As they have stated, the threat against them is real, and unrelenting. They need protection. In fact I personally think they need a law enforcement presence 24/7. With monitoring. Lots and lots of monitoring...For their protection of course. Also a law should be enacted banning the wearing of masks within 300 feet of all mosques, so that the clan and similar organizations don't threaten them. ...lots and lots of monitoring

113 republic  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:27:24pm

I'm quite certain that the msm will give this story unlimited facetime over the next few weeks, and that Human Rights Watch and the U.N. will issue a very serious condemnation of this barbaric act by the islamofascist human butchers and even threaten action against them!

/what a world it could be if people weren't asleep or too busy to care.

114 NoSubmission  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:27:30pm

#105 zenbone

That's why he required a new word to be coined, terrorazzi, 'its not faked, or shopped, its just snuff.'

115 Paul  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:28:38pm

I would not be surprised at all if the Left has no problem with such acts of "peoples' justice." It's in accord with their fantasy world of redemptive revolutionary violence.

116 zombie  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:28:42pm
#91 christheprofessor
#83 zombie

Check here...

Thanks, but those are too low resolution. I need bigger, better versions.

117 dodemployee  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:29:34pm

I hate them, I hate them, I hate them. Each day that goes by, each news story that I see, each time their savagery is displayed, each time they lie about their intentions, each time Western civilization gives in I hate them more.

118 Paul  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:31:02pm

#5 JammieWearingFool

Just imagine what they do to their enemies.

We saw that when they captured those two Aemrican soldiers in Iraq.

119 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:32:39pm
120 yellowroseoftexas  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:34:20pm

I saw some of the people in the background smiling at this atrocity. These are truly evil people.

121 Thanos  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:34:21pm

Zombie I checked IRNA, but even they have pulled the photos now.

122 Earth2moonbat  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:36:24pm

#112 swamprat

Don't be an idiot. The klan are their allies.

123 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:36:49pm
124 Thanos  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:37:30pm

Whoops, wait found one, but it's B&W

125 christheprofessor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:40:02pm

#116 zombie

I don't know if there are any better ones out there. Seems like all of the ones I've seen were of that resolution...

That say, might e-mail the proprieter of EUReferendum to see if he has any...

126 steppingrazor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:41:30pm

If momma ain't happy,
Ain't nobody happy.

127 zombie  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:45:23pm

Hmmm... I can't confirm it. Oh well!

Thansk everyone for trying to find the pix.

128 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:48:47pm

#83 zombie
I assume you checked EU Referendum's Part 2 - Act 1: The dead baby most pics show the left arm and there is one right arm pic. pics enlarge nicely when clicked.
I'll check getty images (they're usually good quality pics but the got that damn watermark) and see if there's anything better.

129 mollyshark  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:49:02pm

How come not a word about Syria lining up on the border and pulling the mines?

130 armymarinemom  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:50:59pm

A pack of wild dogs behaves better than they do.

131 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:51:59pm

108- tokyobk

Look how graciuosly the young men help the nice lady step on the face of the collaborator. >>

LMAO! Gallows humor IS required to remain sane.

132 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:54:23pm

#127 zombie
No luck on getty images, AFP only potograhped the girl not the baby.

133 Irene NYC  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:56:39pm

#83 zombie

I think that this is a pretty clear photo of the baby's left arm, although it looks like its right arm because I believe the photo has been reversed. (Just compare the background with what's on eureferendum).

134 ouray  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:58:13pm

#85 christheprofessor

ordinance

Darn, a mistake already and here it is only August :-)

135 steppingrazor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:59:11pm

#129
mollyshark - details? Interested.

136 markx  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:00:54pm

#45 cicero05

Has there ever been a sicker, more primitive and hateful culture than what they've managed to build in Gaza and the West Bank?

What a bunch of cockroaches. All of them deserve hell.

Agreed. I truly believe these "cockroaches" are worst than the Nazis.

I can't believe I said that, but I truly believe it. If they had the resources and a "country" like the Nazis did, they would put Hitler to shame.

137 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:07:11pm

Palestinian Mothers Milk... Blood

138 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:07:51pm

136- markx

Agreed. I truly believe these "cockroaches" are worst than the Nazis.

maybe they are trying to break the Guiness Book of World Records for the "most heinous, homicidal and barbaric ever".

139 Daisy  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:09:21pm

Maybe that's why they wanted the thousands of cell phones .. another tool of the Religion of Necrophilia: Cell phone cameras to record their ghoulish rites.

140 groinpullerredux  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:09:43pm

still not as horrible as those pictures of abu ghraib prison...now THEY were worth a month of headlines...oh the horror...the HORROR!...when i think of that dog BARKING at that nice man...to think we infidels would stoop so low !

141 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:13:12pm

But dont cut off his head,

We can not treat our Palestinian brothers in such a manner,

that is for the Infidel dogs.

142 Alouette  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:13:25pm

#87 Killgore Trout

If the Muslims are so fearful of "backlash" and "profiling" I have a suggestion.

The government should create "communities of refuge" where all those Muslims who feel threatened will be protected 24/7. No infidels will be allowed to approach these gated havens of safety which will be surrounded by razor wire, alarm systems and raked perimeters.

There are some sites in Utah, Idaho, Colorado, and Wyoming that would be just perfect for these "havens of safety."

143 mollyshark  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:16:37pm

Steppingrazor..I wish I could find out more about it. On the 10th, Fox News had an alert stating Syria was removing mines from the border on the Golan Heights. Then silence. I can't find anything past this which is a little curious to begin with. I know I didn't imagine it because I've seen it commented on in several places (freerepublic, rightnation).

144 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:18:04pm

I wonder how the moonbat brain deals with this behaviour? Let me guess...

"It is unfortunate of course but ultimately the responsibility for brutalising this group of people lies with America for supporting the Israeli regime that has left the Palestinians so desperate..."

Yeah, bad America, for not letting the Arabs do to Israel what this mob has done to their victim. Shame indeed.

145 Mike Z as in Jersey  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:18:10pm

#108 Tokyobk

How many of us get up on the train to give an old lady a seat?

Thanks. I really needed a laugh. I was getting sick to my stomach thinking about these sick f**ks and their cellphone lynch mob.

146 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:18:57pm

Aravim meshrakim!

'nuff said

147 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:19:07pm

OT

NASA Loses Neil Armstrong Tape

NASA has misplaced the original tape of Armstrong's first steps on the moon.

Did you think to check the boxes in the Moon Rock room.
Those rocks were stolen, recovered and returned.
and the tapes were probably returned also.

/Just trying to help...

148 Hankmeister  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:20:37pm

Yes, another example of "spotless" Islam in action. This is your typical Muslim kangaroo court in full bloom. And this was one of their own.

149 Hankmeister  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:23:00pm

"[bigoted word]s" is probably the most apt description of this kind of street justice.

150 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:23:08pm
108- tokyobk

Look how graciuosly the young men help the nice lady step on the face of the collaborator. >>

LMAO! Gallows humor IS required to remain sane.

lol
They were helping the little old lady across the street.

lo

151 gitarfan  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:23:31pm

These people are savages(IJ and Hamas). Nothing more. They have been raised this way for 30 years and it's obvious they couldn't run a lemonade stand much less a country. A whole generation ruined. Just put them down like rabid dogs.

152 mrs heather  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:26:35pm

Animals.

153 steppingrazor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:27:10pm

It is possible that the Syrians were well prepared to enter the conflict, and that the truce is being imposed to keep them out at least until Israel's logistics can catch up.

Some people have suggested to me that Cheney and Bush would have liked nothing better than to see Israel clean Hezbollah's clock, but that there's a bigger game going on here that we don't know the details of. And that's why there's this truce being put in place.

Who knows, maybe we're moving a carrier group.

154 Airedale  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:30:58pm

Yep, mob rule.What a concept

That's gonna move them into the 17th or even 18th century

155 Sobieski  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:31:23pm

I don't know any other group of people that is as disgusting and evil as the palestinians. They prove pretty much every day that they are filthy worthless pigs (all that stuff about "pigs and apes" is just pure projection).

156 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:36:02pm
157 Egfrow  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:40:12pm

And these people are here In the USA! Moving and speaking freely without confrontation or acknowledgement from the MSN

158 monique  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:45:40pm

Zombie,

How long had that baby been dead?

The skin on it's left arm looks like it's starting to slough off.

This is the first time I've seen this photo.

"Green Helmet" treats it like a trophy.

So Sad!

159 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:45:50pm

142- Alouette

If the Muslims are so fearful of "backlash" and "profiling" I have a suggestion.

I have a suggestion for them too...they should move the f--k back to the hellholes they came from where they can abuse their fellow Muslims and ululate to their hearts content.

160 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:45:52pm

The things you see when you don't have a cluster bomb. Or Willy Pete.

161 helofixer  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:47:19pm

This must be the spotless history of Islamic civilizationmurdering rabble that the Saudi govt. spoke of in the other thread. No Islamofascists to see here...move along.

162 leftout  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:47:58pm

I'm sure that the same group of humanitarians who express outrage over alleged abuses of Gitmo detainees will also fill the streets of Europe and America protesting the brutal public execution of a palestinian who was not afforded due process.

Maybe Moveon.org will "loan" Cindy some money to buy property in Jenin so she can camp out there until she gets an audience with the people responsible for this and other brutal murders.

Because there's one thing I'm confident about in this world: that's the consistent non-hypocritcal application of humanist principles by liberals. They hold all parties to the same standards.

(Ok, I'm just kidding around. No one with an IQ above fourteen would believe that for a second.)

163 So?  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:50:05pm

These should be on the front page of the NY Times!

Front page of Time magazine.

And 1000 other papers...

CNN where are you?

164 So?  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:53:13pm

#44 jimmytheclaw 8/14/2006 05:48PM PDT


right on bro!

165 Diane  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:54:23pm

Not the first time the Palestinian mob attack in the pack dog manner.

A lost society ripping itself apart, over and over and over...

Tragic and insane.

166 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 5:58:13pm

Muslims like these freaks deserve to rot and die in the desert.

167 The Black Republican  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 6:02:13pm

#96 Writermom

Charles-have you thought about asking what AP's and Reuters policies are regarding executions?

Don't bother, mom.

The Associated Press wrote that Mary Turner had made unwise remarks about the execution of her husband.

I think they're making progress.

168 leftout  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 6:10:10pm
#163 So? 8/14/2006 07:50PM PDT

These should be on the front page of the NY Times!

Front page of Time magazine.

And 1000 other papers... ...

CNN where are you?


You're so right so? The fact that it isn't shown to the world by the big players is evidence of their participation in the unholy alliance with Islamofascism.
The socialist internationalists want to destroy capitalism and America so that the world can be run by an all powerful UN. They cult of victimhood is an inextricably element in their tool box. To them the Palis are poor, poor oppressed victims.

They should look at these photos and see that their warm fuzzy helpless victims are in fact violent monsters with no interest in peace and civilization.

169 nofreelunch  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 6:54:48pm

Do these folks look like they're interested in negotiation and diplomacy?

Maybe some day people will wake up and realize that there's only one thing to do with a rabid dog -- you kill it.

After watching Israel, the US, and the rest of the western world blink and fall back to the ridiculous notion of negotiating with a rabid dog, I'm less inclined to believe that day will come.

3,000 people died on 9/11. That obviously wasn't enough to convince our government of the danger. They still think they can negotiate with these asshats. Is there a number of dead US citizens that will convince them? If so, what is that number? 30,000? 3,000,000? 30,000,000? More?

170 Bubbaman  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 6:54:51pm

Are these not "civilians"? Are these not the samesaid people we need to avoid "hurting" during military conflicts? Seems to me these [bigoted word]s are all soldiers of a nihlistic death cult and must be delt with accordingly.

171 varmint  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 6:56:15pm

#110


Anyway, it might not be a select-fire US military M-16A2, but a commercially-available semiautomatic AR-15 which can cost anywhere from about $600 USD to over $1500 USD.

Nevertheless, the guy in the last photo appears to be someone of a much higher status or income than the guys in the first photo.


He might be one of those palestinian cops we paid to arm and train after oslo.


john
[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]

p.s. I can see the old woman's ankle as she stomps on the corpse. What a WHORE. Time for the mob to turn and stone her.

172 nuke gingrich  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 6:59:33pm

Was the kidnapping of the Fox reporter a case of mistaken identity, or just more of the same criminal behavior from the death cult?
Link

173 new2thezoo  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:12:11pm

Is this any wonder that they behave like this? They have been taught this from the cradle. Death & Hate, death and more hate. There is a venemous generation that will come mature in a few years.

174 marjoriemoon  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:19:29pm

This is truly Nazi mentality. It is exactly what they did. Marched Jews out of their homes and publically executed them.

Whether this body was dragged here already dead and then shot and beaten, or if what the story says is true, was shot down in the square, a great part of this gruesome act was to send a message. I think particularly to the young boys who are looking on. The show is for them as is for anyone.

And curiously, you would think there would be some photos prior to the man lying here, if you can imagine such a commotion going on. We just get these last shots? I'm not sure what to think, but what I do know is that no longer can we say "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..." Well sometimes it's a chicken, isn't it. We see these blips of time, possibly out of context and I always keep that in mind, despite the fact that what we see here is gruesome, even if they dug someone out of a grave, WHICH by the way was done during the bogus "Jenin Massacre" to up the body count.

And what was the name of this town again?

Someone said it up there, but it is no wonder they don't speak up. At least not from there. I was listening to Brigitte Gabriel the other day. She's such an awesome lady!

[Link: www.intelligencesummit.org...]

175 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:24:16pm

#s 57 and 68,

Those are Hungarian AKs. They've been around a long time and were even once available in a civilian semi-auto version in the US (though I imagine the "Palestinians" have the military full-auto version). There are still a few parts kits for them floating around. I've seen Afghan and Iraqi police using them too.

Regarding the photographer's identity... I posted a link to these pics in a thread yesterday. The photographer is our good friend Mr. Mohammed Ballas again.

176 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:27:22pm

Additional: I didn't see one of the ringleaders had an M16. It could be one we gave them under the Clintoon administration, it could have come from Lebanon, stolen from the Israelis, or bought from unscrupulous Israelis. Yes, there are Israelis who trade arms with the Jihadis... Profiteering Happens.

177 pablito  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:55:45pm

The poor poor oppressed "palestinians". Nary a thing to eat nor wear. Constantly harassed by those awful, wretched, sadistic Israelis. *sniff*

No lack of cell phone service in the "West Bank" though.

No lack of state-of-the-art cellular phones with cameras.

Hell, my cell phone doesn't even have a camera and I live in LA and have a good engineering job.

And I had to work today. No time to disembowel people and gleefully stomp on their corpses with impunity in the middle of the day for me!

These repugnant animals couldn't design the most primitive cell phone if every one of their putrid stinking ilk were put on the job for ten thousand years.

Oh and by the way Motorola has a major engineering presence in Israel. Oh, the irony.

178 Teacherlady  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 3:36:05am

#74 tigger2005

I've given it some thought, and I've decided that "barbarians" really isn't the right word for these people. "Animals" isn't quite right either, because animals are not responsible for their actions. "Thugs" comes closer, but it just isn't harsh enough.

I've gone with "savages." (Also "bastards.")

179 Right_Writer  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 3:51:18am

Animals. Savages. Bastards.

Nothing seems harsh enough to describe them.

180 AngryDumbo  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 4:47:44am

#14 Frog March

"Hey Mike Wallace: These are the people you support."


Yep. That's the "resistance." : (


p.s. Andy McCarthy had a really good rant on the Corner in case you missed it.

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

"Imagine if the United States refused to allow Muslims to enter New York and Washington. That would be so unfathomable in a real democracy — i.e., one based on liberty and equality — that it is virtually impossible to imagine. Yet, non-Muslims are not permitted to enter Mecca and Medina. That's not because some tyrannical government has capriciously imposed its will. It is because Saudi Arabia has given in to the will of its Wahhabist population, which would revolt if non-Muslims, whom they view as lesser beings, were given access. This is a position that enjoys overwhelming support in the Islamic world.

Now, you claim that this culture — which believes that non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims; that women are not equal to men; that man has no authority to make law inconsistent with the dictates of Islamic law (which, by the way, is not merely a religious corpus but purports to be an all-purpose social system); that apostates, homosexuals and adulterers (among others) should be (brutally) killed; etc. — will democratize. I say you have not done a single thing to prove that this is the case. In place of analysis and evidence, you offer slogans — and you frame those who differ with you as if they were all realpolitic lackies.

What is variously called "radical Islam," "militant Islam," "political Islam," "fundamentalist Islam," "Islamo-fascism," etc., is not a fringe cult. It is a highly developed system the history of which traces back centuries and which counts among its adherents many highly educated, highly intelligent people. It rejects fundamental premises of Western democracy — indeed, it blames Western democracy for the ills of the world.

Now, here's what you don't seem to get: it's not just terrorists who believe this. The terrorists are the ones willing to fight over it, but there are tens of millions who agree with their beliefs and aims even if they are not willing to kill to see them actualized. That is why terrorism is not irreconcilable with democracy, but Islam may well be.

You can keep pretending, if you'd like, that the problem here is "tyranny" and "terrorism" and that things would turn around if only we injected a little freedom into the equation. But that is not going to deal with the "root cause," and it is not going to make Muslims like you better (as we are seeing in Iraq on a daily basis). You insult these millions of Muslims profoundly because the logic of your argument is that no one who was truly free would choose the life they sincerely believe God has commanded. You are stuck in a pre-1979 mindset which refuses to acknowledge that a religion-based revolution is possible, and that the millions of people are freely choosing a belief system that opposes Western democracy.

I'm not going along. I've spent lots of time with our enemies and I respect them. That's why I know they have to be defeated, not courted."

181 Egfrow  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 5:26:39am

For being the hungry and poor Palis, they sure have allot of cool camera phones!

182 cimom  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:27:42am

The photo of the woman stepping on the collaborator's face can be made into terrorist Mother's Day cards. This is probably the highlight of the woman's year. She got to leave the house and get her picture taken.

183 mattm  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:56:04am

The MSM gladley ignores this. Imagine how the public view of Islam would change if the MSM showed this on a daily basis.


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