Why am I not suprised ?

Depressing...

What else did we expect for the icing on the poisoned cake?

Israel needs to be ready when Round 2 starts, and not be fooled by the supposed UN Peacekeepers. They are really "Hezbollah resupply forces."

Hey, remember those suitcase bombs found on German trains recently?

Which had Arabic notes on and in them?

Terror plot, German cops now deduce:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

They had been timed to explode 10 minutes before the trains arrived, said federal crime chief Joerg Ziercke.

"We are now working on the basis that this was the work of a terrorist group... and was an attempt to kill a large number of people"...

maybe the hope is the cease fire will fail and Israel can replace Olmert and fight for real this time?

(I can hope can't I)

Slightly OT...

Great. Israel's enemies emboldened

Human shields. And I use the word loosly.

The UN is allowing muslim nations to provide troops to hizb'allah cand calling them peace keepers. When the next round of fighting breaks out the "peace keepers" will likely join in on the side of hizb'allah.

These are truly weird times. And you know the saying.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
--- Hunter S. Thompson

On this point, Israel has to put its foot down.

The "peacekeepers" should not include forces hostile to either Israel or Lebanon. (Would Lebanon accept Syrian "peacekeepers"?)

If they do, then the cease-fire deal is off.

This is all familiar to me, something - sounds like Versaiiles?

This "ceasefire" has HUDNA written all over it.

This was the plan from the beginning and Olmert stepped right into the ambush. This is what the Hezbo's and thier sympathizers consider humorous - and in a way it is very, very very funny, that any rational person would have gone along with this charade.

Where's Bolton? i sense something else is up, and more is being played out behind the scenes with Iran like their attack on the Kurds. It is all coming to a boil, my friends.

Cathy Mayo, who caused that plane to be diverted to Boston this week under creepy circumstances, had a Pakistani boyfriend and wrote about it in this Vermont paper:

[Link: www.ourherald.com...]

I met Junaid, a Pakistani man, on line before September 11. He is talking about marriage, so I need to get to know him better before I bring him into the US on a fiancé visa. He was refused a visitor visa to the US, so I have come here...

Ramadan was quite a test. I came here on purpose for that. I wanted a heavy dose of the Muslim tradition...

I will never forget my first sight of him, walking towards me down the hotel hallway, carrying so many roses that I was never able to count them all...

The UN, of course, seems to have no problem with this sickening state of affairs. And our own government has signed off on this appalling bit of useless appeasement. The world has gone nuts.

Absolutely
frikkin
insane

yes.

I have been freaking out about this since it happened...

Indonesia and Malaysia?
PLEASE!

Old but relevant:

Hesperophobia
On blaming the Jews.
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

#6 Wargammer

...Israel can replace Olmert and fight for real this time?

This was just the first round of a much longer war, I believe. Bibi's chance will come soon.

They'll be more opportunites for the Hezbooboos to hid behind the UN 'peacekeepers' and launch attacks against Israel.
More opportunites to shoot a couple blue helments and blame it on Israel.

HMMM. Maybe we are in this situation because Lebannon doesn't recognize Israel? Maybe the UN ought to pressure the 30 or so countries that have refused to recognize Israel to do so and we might find that fuzzy utopia called peace.

I would break the cease fire immediately if Malaysian or Indonesian soldiers show up.

Foxes guarding the henhouse... If this "truce" holds till Christmas it will only be because Iran's weapons industry can't fill orders from both Lebanon and Iraq.

#11 ibrodsky

Would Lebanon accept Syrian "peacekeepers"?

Just wait...

#9 el Barto

What, you mean they weren't the first time?

/snicker

Well, I'm glad that OUR hard-earned tax money is going to tribute--I mean, donations--to the UN to support moving another group of anti-Israel soldiers to Israel's border.

I'm sorry, I can no longer see clearly what I'm typing. This news is making my head spin.

/50 ccs of logic, stat! We're losing her!

It is all coming to a boil, my friends.

I'm sleeping in on Monday (Aug 21st here, but Aug 22nd in Iran), and will be keeping a close eye on the news as I get ready for work slowly.

How long before Aussie peacekeepers must cross the Malaca Straits?

Australia Updates Travel Alert for Indonesia Over Terror Threat

The Australian government continues to receive reports showing that terrorists ``are in the advanced stages of planning attacks against Westerners,'' Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade said on its Web site.

This is depressing. Israel just took the expense and casualties of a war FOR NOTHING. Worse than nothing, since Hizb'Allah ends up strengthened.

Still, I am afraid that the big war is still brewing and this is just round one.

Unless they know something that I dont, I am quickly losing my last ounces of respect for Bush and Rice for going along with this farce.

#24 Greg et al
I'd like to know more about August 22nd, and what is anticipated. Charles, or anyone?

Bottom line: Since Israel didn't have the stomach to accept the colateral damage needed to wipe Hezbollah out in the first round, they're going to have to accept the fallout from the colateral damage to all of these international "peacekeepers" in the next round.

Nice war doesn't work. It only gets you into deeper doo-doo.

WIth every future act of self defense which may kill or wound these Islamic 'peacekeepers', the Israelis will from this point forward further increase the hatred of far eastern Islamics towards her, people for whom Israel up to this point was more of an abstraction.

Thanks Condi! Thanks Dubya! And a special thanks to Ehud!

Sorry to go OT

PETA and Performance Artist duke out over a pig.

Think CAIR will get in on the act?

I can see it now...

The naked woman with a dead pig riots!

#16
Her family is probably going to lose that schoolhouse if she's fined a quarter million.

This is a reason not to cook every dish with green butter.

I'm wondering how many PK the Malaysians and Indonesians are willing to send here:

U.N. Official Warns of Major New Sudanese Offensive in Darfur

Three months since the signing of a tenuous peace deal, Sudan appears to be preparing a major military offensive in its troubled Darfur region, aid workers are increasingly at risk, and the population "may have to relive the horrors of late 2003 and early 2004, and hundreds of thousands of lives will be at risk," a top United Nations official warned the Security Council in a private briefing yesterday.

The blunt assessment by the deputy head of the U.N. peacekeeping forces, Hedi Annabi, came as Britain and the United States introduced a Security Council resolution to send 17,000 U.N. peacekeepers to Darfur over the opposition of Khartoum. China and Russia, however, suggested they would reject the resolution, and the Sudanese government reiterated its opposition to a U.N. force.

This is getting out of hand. It's hard to convince myself that there are things happening for reasons I can not understand because I don't have the proper security clearance. I'm actually starting to beleive that our State Department is rotten to the core and totally imcompetent.

Bush needed to clean house at State and Langley and didn't do it. You can't try to put some new wood up over a rotten frame, the whole thing will keep falling apart. I just hope it doesn't come crashing down on Israel.

Israel just took the expense and casualties of a war FOR NOTHING.

I've read a few stories about Iran's disappointment on losing so many missiles and infrastructure. They lost a big chunck of their multi-billion $ investment. Don't believe all the Hezbo propaganda.

Why malasians and indonasians are so interested in sucide mission?. i remember that the largest support of ceasefire... i mean france, i not interested in sending its peaceforce... or if then nearly 200... as they fear that hezbulla will attack them... so why malaysicans and indonasians are so interested in sucide missions...

its like syria and iran says... we will send peaceforce to lebanon too... and suddenly hezbolla says... we are also sending peaceforce, because we want peace in lebanon...

ah damm... does it make sense... ok at least i have one thing common from islamic goverments... "we both don't make sense"

When the shooting starts again, the IDF should consider the blue helmets to be allies of Hezb'Allah, and therefore, enemies.

OT, but only slightly:

An Open Letter to the World

#16 Chicken Kiev

Wha...?

That woman is the perfect example of why men "behave badly" these days. No matter how offensive the religion, no matter what crimes a man may have committed, no matter how abusive he might be, no matter the impossibility of marital unity, regardless that she's had to clamp down the equivalent of a restraining order on this guy...

...so long as he gives her flowers, he "passes the test."

And then we wonder why people like my adorable husband are so difficult to find. If we tolerated less garbage, we'd get less garbage.

#24 GregInSeattle
It is all coming to a boil, my friends.

I'm sleeping in on Monday (Aug 21st here, but Aug 22nd in Iran), and will be keeping a close eye on the news as I get ready for work slowly.

be glad that you can still see the news. iran is currently enforcing it's police to find and destroy every satelite dish it can find. iran is blacking out info from outside it's borders.
iran is mobilizing it's army.
syria is mobilizing it's new baathist militia.
8/22 anyone?

Darling Daughter Meredith had the option to ride home on a train from Virginia on Mon. or Tues.

But of course, we won't let that happen and we are driving for 8 hours to retrieve her.

#30 Maine's Michael

This was Olmert's doing, pure and simple, idiot. Take your America bashing to kos, where it's welcome.

Maine's:

WIth every future act of self defense which may kill or wound these Islamic 'peacekeepers', the Israelis will from this point forward further increase the hatred of far eastern Islamics towards her, people for whom Israel up to this point was more of an abstraction.

I doubt they could hate Jews anymore than they already do.

#27
BGB
I've heard through the grapevine that Syria was fully spun up and ready to throw down. This jibes with reports of Syria digging up its land mines on the Israeli border.

I believe this could explain a lot, but all of my information is unofficial, second hand kind of stuff.

Among the so-called “peacekeepers” in the UN’s toothless international force, supposed to guard Israel’s northern border and prevent Hizballah from reestablishing itself, are two Islamic nations who do not recognize Israel’s right to exist...

Israel says it would be “difficult if not inconceivable” to accept nations which do not recognise its right to exist as part of a UN force in Lebanon.

Israeli UN envoy Dan Gillerman was speaking after Indonesia and Malaysia, which do not recognise Israel, pledged troops for the UN deployment.

That's no "peacekeeping force", those are Hezbollah reinforcements.

Can the f*cking UN be any more blatant?

Malaysia's Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar, right, tours the war-ravaged Hezbollah strongholds of the southern suburbs of Beirut, Lebanon, with Lebanon's Foreign Minister Fawzi Salloukh, Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2006. A delegation of the 56-country Organization of the Islamic Conference, led by Hamid Albar and Pakistan's top diplomat Khursheed Kasuri, traveled to Beirut to discuss formation of peacekeeping force. (AP Photo)

There is some speculation that Israelis grew too prosperous and too lazy to fight. This Round One of the war may have been just a wake-up call.

The list of countries that have fought agaisnt the IDF

[X] Lebanon
[X] Iran
[X] Syria
[X] Iraq
[X] Jordan
[X] Egypt
[X] Algeria
[X] Morocco
[X] Kuwait
[X] Saudi Arabia
[X] Cuba
[X] Britain
[X] Russia
[X] Pakistan
[X] Sudan
[X] Libya
[X] Tunisia
[X] Uganda
[ ] Malayasia
[ ] Indonesia

Hmm... We can still add to this check list.

The UN had hoped for a larger European contingent and was disappointed by France's offer.

But French Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie defended the decision. "You can't send in men telling them: Look what's going on but you don't have the right to defend yourself or to shoot," she told RTL radio.

Hey Numb-Nuts! This is EXACTLY why we were telling you to make the UN resolution Chapter 7 - where you can shoot and defend yourself properly. You should have also worked with us to properly define these terms BEFORE its passage.

Nothing new on potential Cat 4 hitting Hatteras, travelling on to New York as a Cat 2 or even Cat3 on Labor Day weekend, but closer to home, besides the tropical disturbance approaching NE Florida, this disturbance may try to spin up into a depression or minimal storm before moving into the Texas Coast somewhere between Padre Island and Matagorda Bay tomorrow night.

#38 ibrodsky
A video of it!
great I love that thanks.

[Link: www.kahanetzadak.com...]

#50 Ed...

Ed, how's your little one doing?

German bombs 'mass murder' bid

German police have ruled out blackmail as the reason why two bombs were left on trains on 31 July - and now believe it was a failed terror attack.

The bombs were in identical black cases on trains in Dortmund and Koblenz.

They had been timed to explode 10 minutes before the trains arrived, said federal crime chief Joerg Ziercke.

"We are now working on the basis that this was the work of a terrorist group... and was an attempt to kill a large number of people," he said.

Police want to trace two men seen on CCTV wheeling cases at Cologne station.

Initial suggestions that the bombs may have been an attempt to blackmail a train company had been ruled out, Mr Ziercke said.

He said police were working on the theory that the group responsible were based in Germany.

The devices consisted of gas canisters, alarm clocks, wires, batteries and a flammable liquid in soft drink bottles.

A handwritten note in Arabic, listing groceries, a telephone number in Lebanon and packets of starch labelled in Arabic and English, were also found.

Mr Ziercke said up to 100 investigators were trying to work out why the devices failed to detonate. "We still have many unanswered questions," he said.

He appealed to the public for help in tracking down the people who planted the device

Does it has to do something with liquid explosive in soft drink bottles... which are also planned to be used in Airplanes between UK and US

#47 Golem Akbar

Sounds like our beloved US a bit too...

"Boy that 'World Trade Center' was a good movie, huh..."

without having read any other comments, I'll assume it has been noted that the peacekeepers will be lined up in Lebanon facing Israel.

Nothing like having a bunch of nations that hate you protecting a guerrilla unit while they rearm.

#39 fearless minky

Cathy Mayo was, it seems, a mentally unstable woman who hooked up online with an ROP man who asked her to marry him -- riiight, that's love. She was a sick dupe, a tool of a calculated visa-getting plot in my opinion.

How many American women have been duped into getting US visas for would-be jihadis?

And who IS this boyfriend of Mayo's?

And what was the final result of yesterday's bomb threat at the West Virginia airport?

And of today's threat re: that Italian-bound plane?

Plots and threats and attempts are simmering everywhere these days. Buckle your seatbelts -- actually, stay away from vehicles that contain seatbelts.

We are watching the fleet sail from Hitokappu Bay and doing nothing to stop it.

Does this really matter? The Lebanese Army is full of Hezbollah members, and no sober person thinks that any UN force member would do anyhing at all under any circumstances to inconvenience Hezbollah's re-arming.

France technically recognizes Israel's right to exist- would French troops even bother to alert Israel if Hezbollah moved more missiles up to the border? Please.

I think this is actually good. Israel will have one less reason to delude itself about fairytale UN protection.

Israel needs to wake up fast, remove the Olmert regime, and start planning a better strategy for the next war with Hezbollah- which will begin once Israel has tidied up its own house.

This only undermines UN credibility further. Whereas "sensitivity" is the watchword in "dealing" with Darfur, Israel can just piss up a rope.

FWIW, this new "force" will simply allow Hizballah to go about rearming and re-attacking Israel, at which point I hope the Israelis have worked out new battle plans and better funded ground forces to stick it to them - if the Malaysians get in the way - oh well.

Like Ralph Peters said - round one.

This must give deep satisfaction to that toad Jimmy Carter. His only disappointment would be a lack of German soldiers on the Israeli border.

#42 E2M

Um, why do you think Maine's Michael is bashing America? Has our president somehow become America, all by himself? I've asked elsewhere this question, and I'll ask again: "Is our president the sole and perfect representation of all that is right-wing?"

If so, then call me impossible to categorize.

I think he was referencing the fact that the Prez was pushing this very plan so hard. So let's give everyone involved a hearty, "Great job; you blew it."

(I support the president in various things, but he and I part company on other issues. And I'm not an LLL wacko; I'm so far right, I don't even have a left hand.)

#5 Chicken Kiev -

That needs its own thread - email Charles.

An example of where Germany's appeasement policy has gotten it.

#42 Earth2moonbat 8/18/2006 08:54AM PDT
#30 Maine's Michael

This was Olmert's doing, pure and simple, idiot. Take your America bashing to kos, where it's welcome.

E2M

Did you note he did place the SPECIAL thanks on Olmert?

I am not anti-American, not by a long shot...
and I am disgusted that we went to the craven
UN and sponsored the "cease-fire"

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

E2M 42,

Lots of outside pressure on Israel... lots of pressure.

#47 Golem Akbar

Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark.

OT I always love seeing the PizzaIDF logo (ad with the article). It makes me think of IDF soldiers, staring at and marveling at a giant pizza.

/oy, that's the biggest pizza i've ever seen!

If I were Israel I would refuse to remove any forces from Lebanon until Kofi Annan and the leader of each country contributing troops to the UN contingent of troops signs a statement saying that the disarming of Hezbollah, by force if necessary, is a central component of the mission of the UN troops, and failure to provide concrete proof of its disarmament in the form of weapons relinquished to the UN (no less than seven-thousand Katushka rockets, hundreds of anti-tank rockets, and thousands of mortar tubes and mortar rounds) consitutes a breach of the UN resolution 1559 and the cease-fire agreement.

I'm disgusted if the US administration goes along with this charade. It is nothing less than bald-faced disregard by Hezbollah, Lebanon, and the UN itself for UN resolution 1559 and the cease-fire agreement that was just signed between the parties.

Israeli's deploy dreaded blue-colored water and score direct hit;

A demonstrator holds a Lebanese flag as he helps another one to clean colored liquid used by Israeli police during a protest against Israel's separation barrier in the outskirts of the village of Bil'in, near the West Bank town of Ramallah, Friday Aug. 18, 2006. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)

He don't look so good in blue.

Iran Announces Major Defense Exercises Days Ahead of Expected August 22 Nuke Deal Response and Potential NoKor Nuclear Test

Must read story ...

While this is an example of speculation, at least considering such possibilities becomes increasingly important as Ahmadinejad’s apocalyptic fellow-believers gain more and more power within Iran. (Note the sudden absence of student protests that were so prevalent until recently.) Ahmadinejad’s faithful membership within the Hojjatieh Society guides his thinking and his choices for leadership positions within Iran, as the Hojjatieh seek to “pave the way for the return of the Mahdi.”
Westerners would find Hojjatieh beliefs and practices so disturbing as to be hardly believable. Yet these are indeed the beliefs and practices of the increasingly more powerful Iranian president and his mentor, Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi, often referred to as “The Crocodile,” for his beneath-the-surface exercise of political power, and as “The Sorcerer,” for his cultic religious practices, the likes of which most Americans would dismiss as insane and, therefor, impossible to be true among a nation’s powerful elite.

Yet, through Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Yazdi, unthinkable belief structure is increasingly guiding the direction of Iranian policy, strategy and actions.

The world can scarcely afford to underestimate the mindset of the Iranian president as he accrues more and more power within Iran, including solid allegiance from the Bassij and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, which in many ways should be increasingly considered in parallel to Hitler’s SS.

[Link: inbrief.threatswatch.org...]

#55 Murqtaad

without having read any other comments, I'll assume it has been noted that the peacekeepers will be lined up in Lebanon facing Israel.

Hizb'Allah's new human shields?

This world has gone nuts, I agree - sadly, it may get worse. Although Israel is surrounded by enemies, she is now being surrounded by those who activley hate her and want to see her destruction. May G-d have mercy on those who turn their backs on Israel in these days. I do not believe that He will have mercy on those who do turn their backs on Israel, never mind those that will attacke her in the days to come.
This so called cease-fire is just an excuse to rearm the islamofascists for another attemt to destry Israel.

If anyone cares: I just saw the first 3 minutes of CNN international @ 9:00 a.m. Pacific Time. The segment was Mass Funeral in Qana. Guess who I saw in the lower left-hand portion of the screen! Bomb magnet woman (she of many houses fame!). Did anyone record this?

OT...Threat to blow up Taj Mahal - USAToday

Soldiers on 24-hour guard, letter purportedly sent by an al-Qaeda supporter
[Link: threatswatch.org...]

terp 68,

It was a zionist chemical agent made from the organs of dead Lebanese babies!

/

#68 Terp Mole

"Waaah! I hate the Blue Man Group!"

Oops. Lower right-hand portion of screen.

#57 elBarto

Subtle reference there. Hitokappu Bay is where the Pearl Harbor attack force sailed on November 26, 1941.

I used to think the left's claims that Bush actually wanted to destroy Israel to bring about the Second Coming was just so much crap from morons who think going to church should be a death-penalty offense.

But now, I'm seriously thinking that they may have been right.

Bush had better have a damned good reason for letting the State Department withhold arms shipments to Israel, and "The Rapture" isn't one.

Israel agreed to the plan. Ultimately, its their fault for the disaster that ensues. They should disregard the plan immediately claiming non-compliance from Lebanon, block foreign troops from entering the area and resume fighting.

... or they can wait for Hezbollah to rearm and start this whole thing over again with foreign troops acting as shields for Hezbollah rockets and weapon shipments. If they do well, Egypt, Syria and Iran could make this a multifront war. Taking their cue from Iran, muslim countries now may use proxy armies of muslims not 'officially' part of their country that are willing to fight and launch rockets. from Palestinian and Lebanese territory.

Ward,

Hizb'Allah's new human shields?

Islamic entitlements?

THEY MUST DOMINATE!

That the U.S. and the Israeli governments both thought the final resolution worthwhile and a victory for their interests speaks volumes on the matter of the quality of that leadership.

It is beyond clear that UNIFIL is not going to change in any significant way nor interpret its mandate in the manner optimists on the matter hoped it would.

I, like Charles, find very little to take exception to in Ralph Peter's NY Post piece posted her yesterday: this round was a disaster for the good guys.

At the end of the day, let's see what we have here after the conflict:

-- The much-promised, even "green-lighted" general ground invastion to the Litani was finally authorized mere hours before the cease-fire resolution was, with Israel's blessing and approval, passed by the UN Security Council. (I had thought this general invasion would never occur; I was wrong on that point, though I never thought it would be finally launched with only a matter of hours in the sandglass left).

-- Hezbollah has been significantly strengthened politically and, even by the most optimistic reports, has not been seriously militarily degraded. Its command and control, its position in South Lebanon, its television and radio stations, its senior leadership, its arms all remain in place and a continued threat to the north of Israel. No doubt, the bastards took a beating, but they are not destroyed or ruined as a force. Far from it.

-- The Israeli hostages have just ceased being talked about. They have not been returned nor is their return a demand of the resolution.

-- Israel has suffered the propaganda losses inherent in fighting against an enemy in urban terrain among civilians without procuring the benefits of such a battle, i.e. it incurred the cost but gained little in return.

And, to make matters worse, it now appears that senior IDF officers betrayed their sacred trust and acted completely self-interestedly and shamefully. And, on top of that, many reserve units found their stores of supplies gone, the result of, depending on who you talk to, budget shortages or criminal activiity.

What have we learned?

-- Leadership is all. By itself it cannot achieve victory, but its lack will prevent any victory no matter the circumstances.

-- Air power does not win wars.

-- "Limited" warfare is a fancy way of saying "I want to lose this war really badly."

-- Traditional diplomacy is incapable of solving these issues.

-- The IDF must clean house and be put it the command of a no-nonsense leader ready, willing and able to kick it in the pants.

-- The US administration, after a good start, is simply not up to the task of properly prosecuting the war on terror, though it's doubtful if any possible USG could do so at this stage of the conflict given the politics.

and

-- Playing the game as the rules are currently set forth is like playing poker with a card shark, on his table, with his marked deck, surrounded by his bodyguards.

It will take bold, creative leadership to overturn that table, pronounce new rules and enforce them.

62...

I think more pressure was exerted on the US via Olmert than the other way around. Israel found out that they could not whip hezbollah soley with air power, and the Olmert govt. was unwilling to commit the needed ground forces (until the 11th hour) to get the job done. Olmert didn't want several hundred Israeli KIA on his hands, so I'm sure he was begging the Pres as hard or harder than Condi to "end it". Hell, the cease fire wasn't a done deal and Olmert and crew were already talking about giving up parts of the West Bank! This is not the type of govt. Israel can rely on to defend itself and/or remain a reliable ally in the war against islamofascists.

Malaysia said Israel should have no say in the make-up of the force.

This is a very typical muslim response and should alarm anyone who's not brain dead. No muslim country should be a memember of the "peace keeping" group.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it Indonesia the country who said they couldn't stop suicide bombers from there from going to Lebanon?

AI,

Is that man crying like baby?!?

More like, "Is that baby crying like a muslim?"

#56 Kiev (or is it Chicken?)

Well, she gets to be a dupe because of that weird mentality.

The priorities of the female half of our population are frequently very mixed-up. We feed ourselves on Harlequin novels and the fantasies of the feminists. We'd rather have an armful of red roses than a lifelong companion. (This in the context of a Muslim suitor desperate to get to America is especially true.)

Dumb dumb dumb.

fireangel,

I find peacekeeping and muslim countries mutually exclusive.

Which Eastern War Stratagem would this be? Possibly #3-

. Borrow a sword to attack another.

When one side in a conflict is weakening, it may draw its own friends into battle, thus delivering a blow to its enemy while conserving its own strength.

Secret Art of War - 36 Stratagems

LOL, AI,

I didn't mean it quite like that... I was just talking about the general phrase, "crying like a baby". It should be "crying/whining like a muslim".

#38 ibrodsky

The end of the video in your post thanks the anonymous writer of that letter...

Not anonymous ...

It was written by Rabbi Kahane in November of 1988

[Link: www.kahanetzadak.com...]

If Israel would have had the sense to object to any UN force, they might have gotten stuck with Europeans which would have been terrible enough. Now that they lacked the strength and self-respect to object, they will get even worse.

To

p Iranian cleric warns US over nuclear standoff
Fri. 18 Aug 2006
TEHRAN, Aug 18, 2006 (AFP) - Top Iranian cleric Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani warned the United States Friday not to seek confrontation with Tehran over its nuclear program and to learn from the war in Lebanon.
"We expect America to have learned enough (from the Israel-Hezbollah war) not to enter another game and upset the security of the region," Rafsanjani said in his Friday prayer sermon carried live on state radio.

The former president said the United States would be wise to try and resolve its nuclear standoff with Iran through negotiations.

[Link: www.iranfocus.com...]

I'm not surprised by the Useless Nazis, but I am surprised by the US. No statements from Bolton that this is unacceptable? Has he been replaced by a pod as well?

As for 8/22, something will happen. Iran is destroying satellite dishes to cut out outside news. (In Dr. Strangelove, the first thing Gen. Jack D. Ripper did was confiscate all the radios.)

Also, the Iranian military exercises are named after the sword of the Mahdi's great-grandfather. No concidence.

My guess is a Nork nuke test, and an announcement that Iran has some as well.
Coupled with a bigger Shiite insurgency in Iraq, and possibly Iran blocking the straits of Hormuz, with a demand that the West cease recognizing Israel, and pay the jizya.

As for what happens after that - I hope Bush comes to his senses and attacks Iran, but since he accepted the Hisbollah hudna, I'm not so sure anymore. If Israel is lucky, Olmert and Perez will run away and the IDF can do its job.

#61 American Infidel: Much appreciated. Very good references, too.

So, when the Hezzies launch another rocket barrage on Israeli civilians, Malaysians and Indonesians will form a human chain preventing Israel from responding with ground forces? This is madness. No wonder the Euros who clamored for a ceasefire don't want to commit troops to support said ceasefire.

How can a country belong to the UN if it doesn't recognize another member coutry?

That alone is outrageous.

#69
Seems like we have some studying to do:
[Link: www.bahai.org...]

If stupid belief systems were self-defeating, 9/11 would not have happened.

Carridine, you got anything to add? AFAIK you're the only Baha'i here so I hope you don't mind being 'paged'.

Ahh, enlightened moderate Malaysia, where you can only become a Malaysian national if you are a muslim.

Sorry, Hindus, Sikhs and Kafir Chinese. You simply aint pure enough to become a Malaysian!

Funny how the BBC and Guardian always seem to miss that part out when mentioning this country.

#83 Sane

Not trying to be obnoxious when I ask this--I'm really serious, but I can't avoid using clever catchphrases sometimes--but, "Got proof?"

I don't really remember reading about that in the various news sources that I frequent, but I was a little busy that week. So I'm willing to concede that I'm a touch ignorant.

However, that our president could be pressured into the appearance of pushing a peace plan to everyone's detriment does not speak well of him.

/50 cc's of link-age, stat!

#35 Greg

Iran bought those missles for a reason, now they've been used against Israel. So Iran didn't "lose" its investment, it just realized it. Apparently Iran just got a nice "real world" test of many of its experimental missle delivery systems out of this.

Meanwhile, what has Israel gained from this? They don't even have their kidnapped soldiers back. Hizb'Allah's military strength has been partially depleted. . .but for how long? That isn't clear at all, and considering the porousness of the borders it may not be all that long.

So now there will be 15,000 less-than-worthless UN "peacekeepers" instead of 3000?

Israel has also depleted part of its military capability and worse, its just "shown its hand" to the world in terms of its own military abilities.

Khalid al-Mihdhar, one of two hijackers who FBI intelligence agents have identified as attending the January 2000 al Qaeda "summit" in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, at which the 9/11 attacks were planned.

Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, an Iraqi officer was also present at that meeting.

Former Malaysia Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad believes that Jews rule the world.

In March 2006, during a state visit to Malaysia the President of Iran said "The world will be in the hands of Islam over the next few years."
This comment was applauded by the Malaysian press.

Tourists with Israeli passports are Barred from entering Malaysia.

#71 trip -

Re: the world has gone nuts.

If we stand back and look at history, this is all quite normal. The period of post WW2 peace and prosperity was abnormal. The 90's were really wierd.

War is a normal state of affairs, sadly.

Those who do war well are those with cold, black hearts. Western leadership right now is incapable of doing the things that were done to win prior great conflicts - like WW2.

At some point the west has to put the suffering of "the other" (real or fabricated) to the side and realize that total war is the only route to victory.

Victory in war is defined (by Clausewitz) as imposition of will on the other - where you impose law on him. Right now, Islamists are winning because the west is (1) willing to change laws to accomodate "the other" in a free and open society, and (2) willing to obey laws. Islamists rightly see both these things as weakness when it comes to war - we hand them victories all the time in the name of civility.

Total war is coming. It is normal. When it comes, we will finally prevail - we have the industrial might and numbers to make it happen. the rest of this BS - the build up to total war - is just a show where we deceive ourselves into thinking we are more clever than the enemy. We aren't. They are simply banking on us never realizing it until it is too late to wage total war.

#78

That is a stupid comment. Thats like me saying I never really believed Arab blood libel against jews, but now I see its starting to make sense.

State dept. has been rebelling against Bush his whole term, his fault for not busting heads there. They seem to be able to do as they please without retribution for some reason. Ultimately, Israel is responsible for her own defense and it needs to act more forcefully and ignore world opinion if she wants to survive.

#106 dll2000

I'll concur with you on the "ignore world opinion." However, I have to question the notion of "The StDept is not minding and he won't fire them."

What kind of a weakling lets his employees ignore him and contradict him at every turn? Again, this is something that, if true, speaks ill of someone elected to lead.

If you'll excuse me, I think I'll reject the "disobedience" concept.

AI...President Bush today...People are trying to kill us...Gee Sir...who might those people be?

So, lessee, Malaysia and Indonesia:

-both are Muslim-dominated nations,
-both do not recognize Israel,
-both think Israel should not have a say about the "peacekeeper" force structure/components,
-both are openly hostile to Israel, Jews, Christians, and other non-Muslims,
-both countries are volunteering forces to comprise part of the UN "force" in the area...

-No conflict of interest at all! Whassa matta? No problems foreseen whatsoever! Hell, if they're volunteering, let 'em come on over! /max sarc

FearlessMinky
BabbaZee

I'm tired of this pissing and moaning about Bush and Rice as if they have Olmert on a leash. BS. If they're trying to restrain Olmert (and I mean them, not the the foggy bottom apperatchicks), it's Olmert's responsibility to tell them to pee up a rope. If he didn't, you can't argue that Bush and Rice are the problem.

Get a PM with a pair, let him get into a dispute with the US administration, then you can make that claim. Until then, you're just speculating.

"Malaysia said Israel should have no say in the make-up of the force."

Boy does this make it feel like 1938, 1939...

And the civilized world sits by.

UNIFIL: 14,600 Jihadi's, 400 Fwench.

Somebody, if the UN doesn't do it to themselves, better make damn sure this 'enhanced Farce' doesn't get anywhere near off-the-ground. And, quite frankly, I could care less about about the means employed, only the result.

#106 dll2000 8/18/2006 09:17AM PDT
#78

Yes it is a monumentally stupid comment
I just went back and read it...
especially since when Bush was asked directly if he thinks about the apocalypse he sure didn't answer like a "rabid Christian"
He answered like a secularist...
He laughed
he twitched
he coughed
he waffled

But Reagan answered it like a "rabid christian"
GOD BLESS HIM:

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

"Asked a similar question in October 1984 – whether he believed in Armageddon, President Ronald Reagan answered: "Yes, Armageddon could come the day after tomorrow."

The comment at 78 smacks of the secular snobbery -
"All believers are morons..."

which comes directly from the Communist Party Goals so chew on that those of you who like to accuse believers of
"needing a crutch"

[Link: www.uhuh.com...]
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

#102 looking closely 8/18/2006 09:15AM PDT
#35 Greg

I'm not saying the war was a great victory for Israel, and I mainly agree w/ya. I don't have the links right now, but I think it was Debka (yes, a dubious source) that said Iran hadn't planned to blow such a big part of it's Hezbo wad at that time. Plus, Israel did blow up a lot of their missiles.

#110 E2M

Whoa down there, neighbor. I said precisely zilch about having Olmert on a leash. I don't believe in the weird notion that either nation controls the other.

My point is simply that our nation had a part in this debacle. The prez should be blamed in appropriate proportion. I'm not trying to lessen the blame for Olmert, in his ultimate stupidity.

Yes, he should have told the world to run up an alley and holler "FISH!" Yes, Israel should eject him from office and elect a new PM with a spine.

But no, our government should have stayed clear of this one--and certainly not joined in the whining. Israel should be free to defend herself.

/May I offer you a cup of soothing herbal tea, my dear? One lump or two? *LOL*

storage,

AI...President Bush today...People are trying to kill us...Gee Sir...who might those people be?

Does he really have to say it? Has it never been said? Are we all a bunch of mindless idiots who need a president to tell us what is going on in the world? wtf?

Many in this thread have said it before...for some reason, what is happening was so predictable based on the nature of the ceasefire deal that I simply cannot accept the fact that Bush, Rice, Blair and the entire Israeli cabinet would go along with this ridiculous charade.
The fact that the Israeli cabinet accepted the resolution unanimously is also suspicious. I can tell you from experience as a Jew that simply putting 2 Jews in a room usually results in 3 opinions...never mind a room full of Jewish politicians!
So, something monumental is up. Don't know what it is or whether Aug 22nd still has any significance at this point but something has to be up very soon.
If not, then I think we are witnessing the first step in the eventual destruction of Israel. I think the situation is that bleak. The international community has seen that Israel is not invincible, Arabs have rallied en masse behind Hizbollah. The UN is about to put in a force that will work with Hizbollah while it rearms with WMDs and the US (via its State Department) is already starting to use inertia as a way to deprive the Israelis of the advanced weapons they need, just out of fear that civilians might be killed.
Again, either something big is about to happen or Israel has started on a steady decline.

101...

I have no sources to back up my claim that Omert pressured the US to draw up a ceasefire agreement (some idle speculation over at The Corner, NRO), only speculation gathered by his lack of coordinating a plan to beat hezbollah and his immediate insistance on giving up more land for peace. I'm not saying the President didn't receive tremendous pressure from foggy bottom (Hell, probably from the CIA and DOD as well, no source either). But Olmert's actions (and lack thereof) lead me to believe he wanted this ceasefire as much or more than we did. Regarding your comment on the President submitting to such pressures, I unfortunately believe this President is beaten. I hate to type that last line, but the combined forces of the MSM, democrats, 5th columnists in the CIA, State, DOD, etc. have taken its toll. He is a good man who understand we need to defeat this enemy, however, he is no Abe Lincoln. And you have to go back to the Lincoln Administration to find a similar instance in American history regarding the way the Bush Adminisration has been attacked.

#5 Chicken Kiev

The devices consisted of gas canisters, alarm clocks, wires, batteries and a flammable liquid in soft drink bottles.

A handwritten note in Arabic, listing groceries, a telephone number in Lebanon and packets of starch labelled in Arabic and English, were also found.

Sloppy work, probably due to Israel's and U.S. actively going after "The engineer's" for elimination.

Good bombmaker's are few and far between. It's a self selecting process, the bad bombmaker's ...well you know about work accidents.

The simplicity will be difficult to overcome, particularly when the world of troublemakers from the Umma start to recruit their engineers in Anbar province.

Here's a hearty "go get 'em boys" to the intel ops in Iraq, (the terrorist magnet), the A-10's and F-16's and the 500 lb. JDAMS

Eliminate an "Engineer" a day.

#118 SaneInMN

But Olmert's actions (and lack thereof) lead me to believe he wanted this ceasefire as much or more than we did.

Exactly. And there may be more going on than meets the eye. There's a plausible theory out there that Olmert needed the ceasfire for tactical reasons. Reports from the front paint a picture of the IDF being poorly prepared, and facing things that they weren't expecting. As this plays out, it may very well turn out that in fact Olmert's playing Hezbollah, rather than the other way around, in order to buy time for the IDF to regroup and resupply.

Time will tell.

116 Murqtaad 8/18/2006 09:34AM PDT
storage,

AI...President Bush today...People are trying to kill us...Gee Sir...who might those people be?

Does he really have to say it? Has it never been said? Are we all a bunch of mindless idiots who need a president to tell us what is going on in the world? wtf

Yes he does have to say it...for all the people who dont understand that Islam is not peace...who spend mindless hours watching trash t.v. and believe what they are told...PRESIDENT BUSH IS THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD...ITS HIS JOB TO INFORM THE PEOPLE OF THE DANGER THEY FACE...ITS HIS DUTY!

Why am I not suprized this comes from the UN.

I'm announcing a moratorium on August 22nd predictions of doom.

I need to fly back to Athens tomorrow and being stuck over in that failed socialist experiment while my family is back here in the States is too much to stomach!

No more! Understood?

#110 Earth2moonbat

I can most certainly be disgusted that we play the freaking UN game,
and I am
and I will continue to be
so long as we do it.

America should sponsor NOTHING in the UN.
America should boot the UN out on their collective terrorist enemy asses.

If the EUnichs wanted to present a cease fire plan fine.
We sit on the Security council and we could have said NO.

We didnt have to go all hand in hand with the French and make like we were
big ass on campus
so PC-ly helping to "resolve" the unresolvable.

To me we are insane to do that, to play that game, to me we are complicit in our own demise for all the bullshit diplospeak and UN poltroonery.

I completely object to what we did in playing the UN game with France
( who surrendered ALREADY!, LOL! )

Yeaaa ...Peace in our time, Neville... etc.

How can you dare say I have no right to that opinion?

I voted for this guy.
Because I thought he was less of a snake politician than my other options.
I am starting to wonder...
And so are MANY MANY OTHERS

What we did regarding this conflict dissapoints me. And it is not my first disaapointment with my governemnt since this all started, far from it.

WTF happened to
YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR YOU ARE WITH THE TERRORISTS?

It should dissapoint everyone!

storage,

Yes he does have to say it...for all the people who dont understand that Islam is not peace

Lemme fill ya in... the people who don't know, or don't believe that islam isnt peace... They aren't going to be convinced by George W. Bush!

There. Can you figure that out? The same people in denial about islam are the same people who think Bush stole elections, is an idiot, is a liar, rules the world, skull and bones, etc... They dont give a fuck what he says, they arent listening.

Bulgar 124,

Is something supposed to happen August 22nd? I don't buy any of the horseshit the persian midget is selling.

#118 Sane

Thanks for not taking my question the wrong way.

I don't like any of this. People are behaving in a totally irrational way.

Do you have a license for that Minky?

;~P

[Link: mtpix.com...]

#127 Murqtaad

Thank you voice of reason. Hey, lurkers! That would be a good nic...

I've just been seeing a lot of people posting that date around here a lot, and tend to take notice because that date coincides with my travel schedule.

Zuuluu-Baby and Golden Jerusalem have real things to worry about, and I hate that I'm being such a puss about it, but damnit I'm only human.

I'll follow your lead on this. I'm a dinnerjacket, lost most islamist shit-eyes is mostly talk, but the little bastard sure has been busy...

#127 Murqtaad

Shh! Moratorium!

125 BabbaZee ..WTF happened to
YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR YOU ARE WITH THE TERRORISTS?

It should dissapoint everyone

I agree...My wife and I voted for President Bush because we thought he was a brave leader who cared about America and Israel...That he was srong and took no crap...But North korea is about to test a nuke...Mahmoud has some Mahdi plan ready to go...AND MY PRESIDENT SAYS IN A PRESS GAGGLE...PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO KILL US...I need more ammo.

#129 BabbaZee

U-u-ugh. Another Pink Panther joke...

/This Minky is licensed to be fearless.

#131 FearlessMinky

Thanks. I don't want to end up wetting the aisle on the flight over...

hehe!

The Ammo Bank:

[Link: www.ammobank.com...]

125 BabbaZee

I did not say that you don't have a right to an opinion. I'm just saying that you're analysis is off. There's a lot of slight-of-hand that goes on in these things, and you can't take statements and posturing at face value. There's a lot going on behind the scenes, and a lot of wink, wink, nod, nod that we're not seeing. It doesn't make sense to jump somebody because they're not making pure statements, that may in the end get bad results.

I think the case that there's a leadership problem in Israel is a lot stronger than the case that there's a leadership problem in the US. And I'm not even totally convinced that Olmert's completely incompitent, though the weight of the evidence seem to be heavily in that direction.

Let's see how things play out in the coming weeks. I'm sure there are more surprises coming down the road at us. Nothing is as it appears.

#134 FearlessMinky

Why ugh you didnt pick that name because of that?

We haven't had much good news lately.

Here's a nugget: US stopped Iranian arms shipment?

#133 SMgr
#125 BabbaZee

Let's not wander too far afield. It was either this or John "I saw Vietnamese villages burning in the middle of the ocean" Kerry. We didn't exactly have an open buffet on the ballot.

Let's do something different in '08. I'm thinkin' Constitution Party.

AI,

alls I'm sayin, is that those who don't know, won't be convinced by W. The muslims couldnt possibly cram their agenda down our throats anymore than they already do without another attack on our soil. Those in denial, don't listen to Bush anyway. He knows that. I know that. I hope you do too.

#140 GregInSeattle

It's almost time for the college football season to begin too!

I blame Olmert for allowing this to happen. Olmert is a disgrace. Olmert should be convicted for treason by negligence (if there is such a thing). When, when, when will Israel elect serious, adult leadership?

#138 BabbaZee

No, actually, it's my husband's pet name for me. Although, yes, it has to do with a mispronunciation of "monkey."

And I am fearless. Except for when it comes to spiders. And snakes. Oh, and heights between two and ten stories. And menacing strangers in the parking lot.

#142 Murqtaad 8/18/2006 09:55AM PDT
AI,

alls I'm sayin, is that those who don't know, won't be convinced by W. The muslims couldnt possibly cram their agenda down our throats anymore than they already do without another attack on our soil. Those in denial, don't listen to Bush anyway. He knows that. I know that. I hope you do too.

12-8-1941...FDR GAVE A SPEECH TO AMERICA...TELLING THEM PEARL HARBOR HAD BEEN ATTACKED...AND BY WHO...HE NAMED THE ENEMY...IT IS TIME FOR PRESIDENT BUSH TO DO THE SAME.

141 FearlessMinky
I have not wandered too far afield, I would vote for him again.
But I have every right to not like the very foolish and dangerous games we are playing...

#145 FearlessMinky
I pity the stranger who menaces me in a prking lot, LOL!

#145 FearlessMinky

What about fear of rest-stop bathrooms? I saw my wife "hold-it" for 4 hours driving through Tennessee once and her bladder isn't suited for long nights of beer drinkin' with the boys, if you know what I mean...

#137 E2M

"Things going on behind the scenes we don't know about" is speculation. I want to give someone the benefit of the doubt as much as the next Minky, but there's a point at which it goes from reasonable trust to mental gymnastics in an attempt to justify the probably unjustifiable.

/I'm just sayin'...

Storage,

Islamic Facsists

he already said it, what do you want?

#149 Wheat

Oh, those don't scare me. In Texas, they're kept rather disturbingly clean.

149 Bulgar,

You tyrant! you made your wife "hold it" for 4 hours? No wonder she's sending you to Greece on AUGUST 22ND!

woops, forgot about the moratorium...

#137 Earth2moonbat
I didnt jump on any impure statements...
it was the action of us being the ones to go to the UN on it with freaking FRANCE that razzed my ass.

Everyone keeps telling me this
nothing is at it appears
and I too always had faith that this was so
I understood the need for diplocrap

I just feel like we are way past that point and we no longer have time to bullshit around. Our enemies today are among us
they are everywhere
this si not like any other time in history
this is unique
and they are seconds away from going nuclear

we do not have time for diplomacy IMO.

We are empowered the jihad with this move...
Fireworks in Beirut!
Victory Celebrations!

How is that good for America?

#153 Murqtaad

I didn't make her hold it, the level of sanitation made her hold it...

guess I deserved that though!

August 22, "Final Re-solution", brought to us by our Iranian mullah friends, and ultimately Dhimmi Carter.

are should have been HAVE empowered

Cato dont come correct me, LOL!

#147 BabbaZee 8/18/2006 09:58AM PDT
141 FearlessMinky
I have not wandered too far afield, I would vote for him again.
But I have every right to not like the very foolish and dangerous games we are playing...

well I lost that post

#149 BulgarWheat
I pee in the woods
Rest Stop bathrooms
are the gaping mouth of hell

Does anybody here still have an opinion that Israel have won?

And Olmert would do anything?
By Moshe Arens

An almost audible sigh of relief could be heard from the Prime Minister's Office as the negotiations that were supposed to lead to a cease-fire began at the UN. The appropriate rhetoric has already started flying. So what if the whole world sees this diplomatic arrangement - which Israel agreed to while it was still receiving a daily dose of Hezbollah rockets - as a defeat suffered by Israel at the hands of a few thousand Hezbollah fighters? So what if nobody believes that an "emboldened" UNIFIL force will disarm Hezbollah, and that Hezbollah with thousands of rockets still in its arsenal and truly emboldened by this month's success against the mighty Israel Defense Forces, will now become a partner for peace? Does a cease-fire that will avoid further casualties among the IDF's soldiers not outweigh these concerns over future events?

The task facing Israel now is to restore its deterrent posture and prepare for the attacks that are sure to come. But not with this leadership. They have exhausted whatever little credit they had when they were voted into office.

[Link: www.iris.org.il...]

I was going to suggest a woods, aint there plenty of em in Tennessee?

#160 BabbaZee

After being married nearly 20 years I can't imagine a woman dropping her drawers in an aisle on a flight and doing her business.

Then again, I can't imagine a woman flying to Pakistan to snuggle up with an islamic nutjob, so there you go!

Bulgar,

Then again, I can't imagine a woman flying to Pakistan to snuggle up with an islamic nutjob, so there you go!

You obviously don't live in the North East, LOL... or on the west coast.

#163 BulgarWheat
That was a beast, not a woman!

#164 Murqtaad

West Coast or North East? Hell no, I'm a redstate redneck.

I'm a redstate redneck.

Lucky bastid.

BabbaZee:

I recognized that letter to be from its original author also.

But I don't advocate pressing the authorship of that letter to the general public as they are guided by misconceptions of the author and thus when they realize who write it will ignore its truth & just reject its purpose/obviousness because of who wrote it.

For Example: that letter has been making the rounds on email & even "Myspace" as because it is "anonymous". I've received it from numerous people who wouldn't have touched it had they known who it was really written by.

The author's words are true and are what is important. If the only way that Jews of all stripes and people of all backgrounds will fess up to the author's truth is whenthey not know the identity of the speaker; THEN SO BE IT.

“Your love of liberty...and your practice of the moral and religious obligations, are the strongest claims to national and individual happiness.”

~ George Washington

#163 Wheat

"After being married nearly 20 years I can't imagine a woman dropping her drawers in an aisle on a flight and doing her business."

She and everyone traveling with her would be arrested on charges of bioterrorism...

Then the TSA will require all persons boarding flights to take a laxative/diuretic four hours before the flight, and "remember to do your business before you get on the plane."

Tehran-Prayers-Rafsanjani
Substitute Friday Prayers Leader of Tehran Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said in his Second Sermon here that the enemies of Islam, the revolution, and Iran had imagined that Lebanon was a passage through which they could reach Iran.

Addressing thousands of worshipers at central campus of Tehran University, Rafsanjani added, "God brought them to their knees there so that hey would not succeed in inflicting losses against the land that is the standard bearer of Islam and the Prophet's Holy Household (PBUT)."
Considering the United States as the "main supporter of Israel" and the "biggest defamed party" in the war, he stressed, "The United States acted most arrogantly in this war and has to be accountable now, since it was at least an accomplice of Israel in its attack against Lebanon, and among the main planner of that inhumane massive military attack." Hashemi Rafsanjani reiterated, "The Americans had assumed that Hezbollah would be taken care of in the course of a couple of days and that was why they gave Tel Aviv a green light for launching its massive attack, and resisted many times against the issuance of a truce UN resolution, but when they noticed Israel's weakness in achieving its objectives, they passed a unilateral resolution." Referring to the high amount of losses that Israel has suffered in the war, he reiterated, "They had propagated that their Mercava tanks are invulnerable, but Hezbollah encountered the Israeli tanks from the very beginning of the war and managed to halt their process using the missiles they had."
Arguing that Israeli land forces are not strong at all, he said, "The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) is mainly comprised of reserve personnel, that are summoned to service merely at times of war, and are made up of soldiers form different nationalities that war in Israel as mercenaries and are not pleased with the conduct of the Zionist regime at all."
The Friday preacher of Tehran said, "Most of their military personnel are devoid of the strong belief and sense of selflessness, that are parts and parcel for any good military personnel at a warfront, relying merely on the airforce, and armed vehicles' power, but Hezbollah, resorting to its simple missiles, annulled the real penetration power of even their air force."
He reiterated, "If Hezbollah was not fortified with combatants that are ready to sacrifice their lives and to act quite selflessly it could not have created such scenes of bravery on earth and this is a point worth deeper penetration."

IRAN SAYS ISLAM IS THE ENEMY...IF BUSH WONT NAME ISLAM...AT LEAST IRAN [Link: www.irna.ir...]

#165 BabbaZee

Thanks for straightening that out for me. Last thing I need tomorrow is some old moonbat broad hosing the aisles on a 13 hour flight!

KEEP THE BEASTs, and ISLAMO-NUTJOBS OFF OF THE PLANE PLEASE!

Why are there no demands that UN “peacekeepers” be placed on the Israeli side of the border? Hezbollah already has shown that they are capable of hiding among, and firing from, civilians as well as the UN posts already in Lebanon (remember the UN “peacekeeper” who, shortly before being killed by an Israeli bomb, wrote that the Israelis were firing on their position because of “tactical necessity?”). If the UN has troops in Lebanon to act as shields for Hezbollah, it seems to me that one of the best defenses for Israel would be to co-locate them in Israel as well so that they, too, may be targets of Hezbollah’s aggression, particularly against the civilian population. If the UN then chooses to scream bloody murder when the Israelis defend themselves and UN troops are injured or killed, the Israelis should have the same ability when they are attacked. This is a necessity for reacquiring UN (and Western) support. As it is set up now, it matters little to the UN if Hezbollah attacks Israel, but it matters a whole bunch if Israel responds to such an attack

If Malaysia is claiming that the Israelis have no say regarding whose troops are located in southern Lebanon, in particular a veto over such a decision, it seems appropriate that Hezbollah (and anyone else who denies Israel’s right to exist) should have no say over which UN troops are located in Israel. If Muslim troops from countries which deny Israel’s right to exist are to be placed in Lebanon, there should be troops in Israel from countries which consider Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization with no right to exist. Hezbollah is not disarming, and they are insisting on the right to fire upon any Israelis in Lebanon. The Lebanese government has claimed that they take no responsibility for the actions of Hezbollah (thus enabling the victim role), and that Israel cannot declare a war on Hezbollah because it is not a “state.” Now Lebanon is bringing Hezbollah into its fold, likely assisting in their rearmament, and claiming the right to declare war against Israel if they respond militarily to an attack.

As it is now, the UN situation is a set-up for a disaster. Fire should be fought with water, if you wish to put it out. If Israel chooses to fight fire with fire, it must be willing to get burned as badly as they would burn their enemies. This is the card the Arabs have played successfully for many years, and are likely to win just through sheer numbers. How do you attack a burning forest—with kindling? If the Israelis choose to take this path they must first deprive the forest fire of fuel either by the application of water or by setting perimeter fires just as fire fighters do.

AI,

would you prefer he came out and said, "We are at war with islam"?

I guess that would clear it up for about 2% more of the population...

The Prez HAS to play this bullshit game. He has to watch his words. It's not my choice, it's just how it is.

#82 Kevin

One more lesson for Israel that one might add:

Try to head your military with a guy who has better things to do (like plan and monitor a war maybe?) on the eve of a ground invasion than play with his stock portfolio. ( Selling out your portfolio doesn't sound like something to give confidence to the combat troops, either.)

I also read in Time magazine that the guy turned down bunker buster bombs from the USA out of sheer arrogance about the adequacy of Israeli munitions.

Given that these are obviously critical weapons against Hezbollah tunnels, which were ( are?) ubiquitous in South Lebanon, this report seems very hard to believe. ( Even more so considering that Time magazine has a huge anti-Israel bias.)

169 wrathofG-d

You do have a point.

But then again,
it really chaps my hide to bury the authorship...

[insert frustrated sigh here]

AI 173,

Why did he drop it from his vocab? Was it because the same people who dont believe him when he speaks, are also listening very hard to what he says?

#171 FearlessMinky

don't make me revert to my cavity search jokes again! they really weren't all that good!

Babba,

Pass the ganga, please. I'll get you back tomorrow.

For those who are anxious about August 22 and who believe that Bush is doing nothing about it, here's something to ponder. I have noted a subtle uptick in seriousness and urgent meetings in DC, as well as a noticeable change in Bush's demeanor. It has been downplayed in the press, but it leads me to believe that the round on NSA meetings earlier this week was not your run-of-the-mill briefings. Something is up. And that something, I suspect, will be Bush's answer to Ahmadinejad's answer on August 22.

Best clue: Where are the carriers?

#182 Murqtaad

"I will gladly pay you tomorrow for the doobage you give me today...!"

/channeling the "Real Popeye Cartoon"

no wonder he was always scarfing down cheese-burgers!

AI,

LOL. Ok, thats almost as good as THC.

did I say I'd get her back tomorrow?

I meant I'd get her back on August 23rd!

#181 Wheat

Well, it's either that or they will set up little toilet stalls next to the metal detector and make you wait in there until they hear you "go."

They'll also shut down the in-flight toilets, because it's a prime place to "assemble" the biohazard material.

And, finally, no beverages or foods containing fiber will be served on flights.

/absurdism

So much for an August 22nd doom-speak moratorium...

grrr!

oh well, oh well...

172 storagemanager 8/18/2006 10:15AM PDT

Tehran-Prayers-Rafsanjani
Substitute Friday Prayers Leader of Tehran Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said in his Second Sermon here that the enemies of Islam, the revolution, and Iran had imagined that Lebanon was a passage through which they could reach Iran.

Addressing thousands of worshipers at central campus of Tehran University, Rafsanjani added, "God brought them to their knees there so that hey would not succeed in inflicting losses against the land that is the standard bearer of Islam and the Prophet's Holy Household (PBUT)."

Iran claims we are fighting Islam...that it is in the Koran for Islam to rule the World...
So who do we believe?...Islam?...or President Bush...Islam is peace?

#176 Murqtaad 8/18/2006 10:16AM PDT
AI,

would you prefer he came out and said, "We are at war with islam"?

I would prefer it.

I think it is necessary...
THIS IS A HOLY WAR!

OOO but what will the jihadis do?
say the supporters of diplospeak.

WTF ARE THEY DOING NOW?

No one will like what I would have done on 9/12 if I were the POTUS. No one.

I would have begun the process of outlawing Islam in America.

We outlawed portions of Mormonism.
It would have been possible to do this while the iron was hot.

Eventually we will end up doing it anyway.

I would have locked down the Mosques and investigated everyone connected to them.
I would have given public history lessons on TV once a week.
I would have pulled every visa attached to Muslim nationals and had them all revoked and deported.
I would have smashed the CAIRS through all the legal wrangling the government could muster, not sit down to lunch with them.

I would have declared open war on ISLAM.
I would have called them out.

I would have launched and waged a gigantic anti-Islam and anti-socialist propaganda war.

I would have legalized weed
taxed the living shit out of it
given it to the American farmers to grow
revoked the farm subsidies
and taken all those proceeds to finance
my "LETS ROLL" war plan

yes.

WAR AGAINST ISLAM.

Because that is what it is.

The world has gone nuts.

Yep, sure has.

Really tests ones faith and trust in God who is ultimately in control and truly the only one who can really entirely protect us from the Satanic forces (prince of Persia) working through the Iranian leaders and terrorists. This is every bit as much spiritual warfare as physical so please do pray often. It's obvious that God wants us to depend on Him, not necessarily our leaders. Intercessary prayer is in order.

#182 Murqtaad
:~P

GANJIHAD! !

#180 American Infidel
yep

Babba 191,

I absolutely agree. However, my point was it would do no good. He wont convince anymore people than are already convinced by coming out and saying that. WE KNOW IT. Others will never get it (some euro countries and leftists). Giving them more ammo to dump on him during this war is a useless endeavor, IMO.

#188 FearlessMinky

First, the emlinated decent food in Coach, and I didn't complain. The flights were short.

Then the airlines would not let me smoke cigarettes on the airplane, and I didn't complain, most of the flights were short.

Then 9/11 happened, and the airlines and government hired TSA to shake down old women, women with small children, and men and women in uniform. And I didn't complain. In fact, the only reason those people were chosen was because the TSA knew they wouldn't complain! Middle-Eastern types might bitch and moan, and with most civil service jobs, they will take the easiest route.

Now FearlessMinky proposes that they may take away our in-flight alchohol and bath-rooms.

I'm ready to start complaining.

Enough! Name the enemy. Screw it if it hurts their feelings!

Why are muslims aloud within a mile of an airplane let alone actually getting on one!

#191 BabbaZee

You have my vote

PIMF - allowed

/what a maroon!

The Prez is in a no win situation. He is damned at home by half our populace if he speaks the truth, hes damned by the other half if he doesn't... thats why Babba needs to hurry up and pass that shit.

I'm stressed.

#154 BabbaZee

We are empowered the jihad with this move...
Fireworks in Beirut!
Victory Celebrations!

How is that good for America?

That part of it isn't. But you're assuming that there isn't more involved. You're assuming that Olmert didn't have his tactical reasons to get out. You're assuming that Lebanon's the only game in town. You're assuming that the international PR war is irrelevant. You're assuming that Israeli intellegence officials didn't have an "oh shit" moment and realized that they had to loose the Lebanon thing because there are bigger fish to fry.

I don't know anything for sure. You don't, either. Like it or not, for the duration of this crisis (and I'm not talking about Lebanon), we have to sit back and watch, and see what develops.

What are your plans for the 22nd?

#192 godhimmination

Intercessary prayer is in order

Good advice.

However I must say that none of this tests my faith and trust in GOD

Evil
belongs to
PEOPLE
not to GOD

Free Will, dont ya know...

It's why when GOD asks Satan in JOB

Yo, Where ya been?

He says:

Wandering and walking around on the earth

YES

we feed him
we ARE him

The spiritual authority we leave on the ground is Satans fuel

GOD could easily rid the world of evil
by destroying every human being on the planet.

But he loves us too much to do that
and he genrously allows us to attempt to resolve it ourselves

Like a good parent.

bulgar 197,

LOL.

... and then they took away the people who pissed on the floors...

What are your plans for the 22nd?

Same as they are for any other Tuesday.

#205 Murqtaad

Dodging the grumpy turks and paleo's in Athens, I guess.

And the traffic. Those people seem to speed up quite a bit for pedestrains!

GANJIHAD! !

Is this the weed thread?

#202 Earth2moonbat

But you're assuming that there isn't more involved

I am not assuming anything like that
and I did not state anything like that
you are assuming I think that...

Far as I am concerend EVERYTHING is involved...

One thing has nothing to do with the other in a sense regarding my opinion on us going to the UN...
OLMERT leads ISRAEL
I am AMERICAN
therefore I am pissed at my leaders first,
their leaders second.
If I was Israeli
I'd be calling for his head on a stake.
If you read the post I linked to in the original response I do say Olmert is to blame...

I know the machinations here. Like I said I just think we are out of diplobullshit time, speaking of the 22nd, LOL!

I make no prognostications regarding that date
I know the implications in the muslim world not only regarding the UN and Iran but the history of ISlam

Mo's night journey and the taking of Jerusalem by the (KURDISH) Saladin both fall on that date as well.

However I will make no predictions of doom.
Our enemy is very crafty. They know we are watching that date.

They may just save their big bang for a better suprise of a day.
The 22nd will be another day for me, and whatever comes, GOD will lead me through it...

Hey Loppy - give me a minute...
IT IS NOW!

#199 storagemanager
LOL!

loppy,

GANJIHAD! !

Is this the weed thread?

We can sure as hell turn it into one.

Did not Indonesia refuse Israeli aid after the recent tsunami?

It is a marathon, not a sprint but I am not going to sit idly by or not criticize when I think that the leadership has a thumb stuck up their butts...

Good idear, it's hard to run like that...

;p

watchiing the hez-boy hand outs on Fox right now.

I'm really curious! Why are they handing out American Dollars and not Euros?

This seems really strange!

#201 Murqtaad
[Link: freddy.gribouillis.free.fr...]

#196 Murqtaad
Yes I know, I understand your point...

Here ya go:

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

Babba & Murq

Save the bales!

#202 Earth2Moonbat

What are your plans for the 22nd?

I thought I should have something special on the menu to commemorate Ahmacrazysumbitch. I was thinking broiled shrimp.

#207 loppyd

Is this the weed thread?

By outward appearancees, it would seem so.

Dreamy got an RBI triple.

#219 SwampWoman

Cute. Is this now a "short people" thread? I suppose he also comes under the heading of "boob", so...nevermind...

Iraqi group uses Michael Moore film to mock BushFri Aug 18, 2006 8:23 AM ET

By Alister Bull

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - An Iraqi militant group has produced an elaborate video of what it said were attacks on U.S. troops, in the latest example of the increasingly sophisticated propaganda war being waged by Iraqi insurgents.

"The Code of Silence" was posted on the Internet by the Rashedeen Army, thought to be a relatively small Sunni group which has produced videos in the past of attacks it claims to have carried out.

At almost an hour in length, it is the longest and most professionally made of recent postings by mainly Sunni militant and insurgent groups fighting the U.S.-backed government.

The U.S. military said earlier this week that recent intelligence indicated al Qaeda in Iraq was refining its strategy by producing propaganda and adding a political base to its violent campaign of suicide bombings.

Lifting scenes from Michael Moore's anti-war film "Fahrenheit 9/11", Rashedeen's narrator taunts President Bush in softly spoken English over graphic images of Humvees being blown up by roadside bombs, and purportedly dead U.S. troops.

It was not possible to verify when the documentary was made or the authenticity of any of the images portrayed by Rashedeen, whose name means Army of the Rightly Guided.

At one point, the documentary cuts to a scene from Moore's 2004 award-winning film where he lobbies on the steps of the U.S. Congress in Washington.

"After all, there are honest and influential guys in America and if Mr Moore can talk to you like that, so can I," the Rashedeen narrator says.

In addition to numerous bomb and rocket attacks, the documentary also shows two militants painstakingly drilling a hole into an old artillery shell, turning it into a homemade bomb and then burying it to create a deadly trap.

"In the good old days of the invasion, this used to be a one-man show. Not any more. Your boys have become smart. They started to ambush us. Today it takes a big unit.

"That's good. It means your boys are on the run all day long, seven days a week. And it is really devastating for them, especially if they are on their third tour and don't have our secret weapon -- patience."

[Link: today.reuters.com...]

Babba,

[Link: www.subconsciousstudios.com...]

That's more like it.

#218 loppyd
:~P

Gotta go

Be back later

HAVE FUN!

LGF does not need Michael Moore to mock George Bush. We have AI.

Later, Babba!

I should get some work done, too. With the Red Sox/Yankees game in the background, of course.

AI,

I dont need oil, my car runs on gasoline.

;p

Off topic: here's more on Catherine Mayo which adds even more confusion. Family and friends say she has NO history of erratic behavior.

Also she divorced only 4 years ago, about the same time she began traveling to Pakistan where, according to her son, she spends most of the time living there.

[Link: www.rutlandherald.com...]

Nancy,

Has Pakistan ran out of goats? Are the men there that desperate?

#226 gymnast

Your timing is impeccable.

Declaring war on Islam (which of course means war with all Muslims - each and every single one of the 1.6 billion) would be a mistake of collosal proportions.

(1)We are at war with people President Bush calls Islamic fascists (and no, he did not backtrack on that because another day he gave the definition of a terrorist instead - that is just false reasoning) who actively try to convince the umma to join the jihad and go out an murder Jews and Christians. Declaring war on all those people, who may be thinking about trying to reform Islam or to modernize it or whatever their viewpoint is, would immediately militarize all of them and given them a clear reason to jihad (because we are coming for them). Even if the whacko plan includes an ethnic cleansing of all Muslims from the CONUS, consider what happens to the Jews, Christians and decent people in Europe and Islamic countries... Further, if the President wanted to have an immediate and total defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan today (a total lost of trust in the US), he need simply declare all Muslims the enemy.

(2)A war against 1.6 billion Muslims has a good possibility of requiring nuclear weapons to be dropped in countries near or in range of Israel.

There are more reasons why demanding Bush declare "war on Islam" is irrational but those are enough, I think. It seems, for people who would declare war on Islam, that the desire to "destroy Islam" and be over with it right away is so intense that they are willing to put millions of people in the world immediately at risk instead of continuring the current fight with the jihadists.

Personally, I believe the problem is with Islam in the world today, not as such, and this fascist form does indeed find basis in the Islamic texts. This does not mean (or radically exclude the possibility) that there cannot be a Muslim who has a conscience and who reinterprets the texts. We see this in some of the honorable pro-democracy Muslims in the media and in the US military. The enormous problem is that there are so few of them and so few Muslims speaking out. My point is not to lessen this problem but rather to point out that what we should be doing is fighting the radicals - the militant Muslims. We have indeed named our enemy.

#230 Nancy

As I said yesterday, we're still not getting coherent reports. Something just this morning said she did have a screwdriver. The press are usually unprofessional, but this story is particularly screwed up (no pun intended).

I'm wondering what the deal is.

#234 Yank in the EU

I don't know about dropping nukes on Israel's neighbors...

Say, for instance, oh a nation in what we used to call Persia had it's infrastructure turned into glass, well.

I think the rest of the muslim countries would not need a clue-bat after that.

Screw-Up and Disappear is a pretty solid doctine.

Good thing I'm not President! This discussion would have been over nearly years ago.

#230 Nancy

"She had a stressful flight and people overreacted. She doesn't have a good time on planes."

That would be funny if it were funny.

172 storagemanager 8/18/2006 10:15AM PDT

Tehran-Prayers-Rafsanjani
Substitute Friday Prayers Leader of Tehran Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said in his Second Sermon here that the enemies of Islam, the revolution, and Iran had imagined that Lebanon was a passage through which they could reach Iran.

Addressing thousands of worshipers at central campus of Tehran University, Rafsanjani added, "God brought them to their knees there so that hey would not succeed in inflicting losses against the land that is the standard bearer of Islam and the Prophet's Holy Household (PBUT)."

Iran claims we are fighting Islam...that it is in the Koran for Islam to rule the World...
So who do we believe?...Islam?...or President Bush...Islam is peace?

Sadrs Mahdi army is growing everyday in Iraq...and he takes orders from Iran...ALL SHIA ARE WAITING FOR THE MAHDI...Iran has send weapons to the Shia in Iraq...Shia Islam is about to explode...THE ENEMY WILL MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN SHORTLEY.

#236, AI. Your comments are always amusing, and on occaision, perversly so.

Mayo describes herself in the column as a "child of the 1960s."

She flatters herself. 2006 - 59 = 1947. By the time the '60s arrived, she was no child.

234 Yank in the EU

Yeeessshhh... I am trying to leave...

You of course have a point and it is a valid and humanitarian one. In a perfect world where wars could be fought without ever hurting any innocent person this all makes perfect sense.

But there is no marquis of queensbury
nerf ball way to prosecute a war.

It is in fact ISLAM that we are at war with.
Just like it was NAZIS we were at war with last time.

We could not fail to prosecute that war then because there were some nice people mixed up in Nazism then, and we can not fail to prosecute this war today because there are some nice people mixed up in Islam today...

The good people who get hurt in these conflicts are not hurt because of us prosecuting defensive wars. Remember always who started the conflicts...they are hurt or killed because THEIR OWN LEADERS basically use them as human shields, put them in that position. ALL HAIL THE VOLKSTRUM! JIHAD!

We can not sacrifice the Western way of life , we can not sacrifice our innocent people's lives, because the Islamic or Nazi leadership chose/chooses to endanger all of their people by attacking us and forcing us into war...

Collateral damage can never be avoided in any war, it is a fact of war that innocents will die.

personally I vote for the innocents that die to be something other than Americans or Israelis.

#239 BulgarWheat

Say, for instance, oh a nation in what we used to call Persia had it's infrastructure turned into glass, well.

Alright I think that's something we should keep on the table. I mean that's a big freakin' thing for a country to do given that we are not in open war with Iran.

I would be willing to consider justifications that they are an imminent threat.

These people often say 'we love death, more than you love life', which raises doubts about the deterrent power of that action to the hardcore jihadists. All those martyrs and virgin and all that. They may even look at that as the action that unites Islam worldwide in jihad.

I would be interested to hear someone like Michael Ledeen on that question - who thinks we can create a pro-democracy coup in Iran.

Iran mortars Kurd camp in north Iraq, official says
Fri. 18 Aug 2006
KIRKUK, Iraq, Aug 18 (Reuters) - An Iraqi Kurdish official accused Iranian forces on Friday of firing a prolonged barrage of mortar shells at a camp of Kurdish guerrillas in northern Iraq, killing two civilians and wounding three others.

"The shelling started at 2:00 a.m. (2200 GMT) and ended at 1:00 p.m. (0900 GMT)," said Ruzgar Qrani, chief of security in Sinkser district, 165 km (100 miles) north east of Sulaimaniya, the largest city in Kurd-controlled northern Iraq.

Militants from minority Kurdish groups from Iran and Turkey have based themselves in northern Iraq and there have been a number of previous claims by Iraqi officials that their neighbours have conducted cross-border attacks.

Iranian officials were unavailable for comment.

anyone care about innocent Kurds? [Link: www.iranfocus.com...]

#237, ploome. Iran has the capability to print as much first rate quality American counterfeit money as it wants to. It has been doing this since the early 1970s. I have heard from persons that I am inclined to believe, that the majority of $100 dollar bills in circulation in the world are counterfeit. One way of detecting them is that the printing is of higher quality than that of the original US genuine $100s.

Oh, God.

Caroline Glick's latest editorial: The Coming Wars

Iran to send nuclear delegation to Russia – report
Fri. 18 Aug 2006
Iran Focus

London, Aug. 18 – Iran will send a senior delegation to Russia next week to hold talks with Russian officials on nuclear cooperation by the two states, the Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported on Friday.

The delegation, which will include deputy head of the Atomic Energy Organisation of Iran, Mahmoud Jannatian, will arrive on August 22 and stay until August 26, the report quoted Russia's nuclear power equipment and service export monopoly as saying.

“The program includes a visit to Unit 3 of the Kalinin nuclear power plant”, an Atomstroiexport spokesman said. The plant is based in the Tver Region in central Russia.

The company is building Unit 1 of the Bushehr nuclear power plant under a contract worth about $1 billion.

The unit was to be launched by the end of this year. But in July it was announced that Atomstroiexport and Iran had agreed a new schedule under which the nuclear plant will be put into operation in the second half of 2007

.

[Link: www.iranfocus.com...]

From Glick's column:

Like the Palestinians, the Syrians will be following the Hizbullah model. Assad knows that his antiquated conventional forces are incapable of conquering and holding the Golan Heights. But, if Israel fights Syria the same way it just fought Hizbullah, then that doesn't matter. Syria, with its arsenal of Scud missiles whose range covers the entire country and armed with its chemical and biological arsenals that can act in the best case as a deterrent force, will be able to kill thousands in not tens of thousands of Israeli civilians and soldiers in the coming battle and cause property and economic damage to the tune of tens of billions of dollars.

#247 gymnast
& PLOOOooOOOoOOOooOME!

[SNIP]

Information available to the U.S. indicates Barakat has used wholesale import-export businesses as front companies for Hizballah activities and cells. Barakat used his electronics wholesale store Casa Apollo as a cover for Hizballah fund-raising activities and as a way to transfer information to and from Hizballah operatives. Barakat used his company, Barakat Import Export Ltd., to raise money for Hizballah in Lebanon by mortgaging the company in order to borrow money from a bank in a fraud scheme.

Barakat has used strong-arm tactics and coercive measures to raise large sums of money annually, which were sent to Hizballah in Lebanon and Iran. Barakat threatened TBA shopkeepers who are sympathetic to Hizballah's cause with having family members in Lebanon placed on a "Hizballah blacklist" if the shopkeepers did not pay their quota to Hizballah via Barakat.

Barakat has also been involved in a counterfeiting ring that distributes fake U.S. dollars and generates cash to fund Hizballah operations. As of early 2001, Barakat was one of two individuals reportedly in charge of distribution and sale of the counterfeit currency in the TBA.

[SNIP]

[Link: www.treas.gov...]

Ok

Now I'm going!

#248 GregInSeattle 8/18/2006 11:22AM PDT
Oh, God.

Caroline Glick's latest editorial:

very smart woman...

If Iran is allowed to attain nuclear weapons, there is no reason to doubt that it will use them. If Iran attacks Israel with nuclear weapons, then of course we are looking at a future war scenario involving not thousands of dead, but millions.

As all of Israel's leaders have been quick to point out over the years, the threat of a nuclear armed Iran is not just dangerous for Israel but for the entire world. Iran has its Persian Gulf neighbors in its gun sites. It has directly threatened the US and Europe.

Although this is true, the fact that Iran is a threat to the entire world does not give Israel the ability to shirk from its responsibility to contend directly with Iran. Doing so would be tantamount to signing the death warrant of the Jewish people.

ploome is an islamist, she obviously knows not to to take Lebanese hundreds.

#245 Babbazee

But there is no marquis of queensbury
nerf ball way to prosecute a war.

Well said. VDH pointed out in the Soul of Battle that when the West in history has won wars it won behind generals who were willing to use outright brutality when needed. I look to recent cases when we did that pretty well (Kabul, Fallujha or Kosovo) when many, many civilians were killed and the media hardly moved a muscle. Yes, Israel should not have stopped the last war and America sent out plenty of signals that it was ready to keep running cover with the international community (Bush's statements about Hizballah starting it, sending bunker busters over).

Our military, however, operates under the principle that civilian deaths should be minimized where possible. There are deep, moral justifications for this principle and I believe that when we discard this and started killing millions of people because they are Muslim, then we begin to lose our soul, our principles and our sense of goodness, which we are fighting to defend. It may come to total war, but we better think it through carefully and not use it as a tactic to destroy Islam. This is indeed genocide (not that you are advocating that).

So I don't think this good point you made would would be an area of disagreement. Declaring "war on Islam" or in effect all Muslims was what I found an extremely bad idea.

So I don't think this good point you made would would be an area of disagreement. Declaring "war on Islam" or in effect all Muslims was what I found an extremely bad idea.

[insert heavy sigh here]

Oh Yank...

I only say it because I am forced to now...
Because they have openly declared war on us...
It's not like I'm sitting here and nothing has happened in the world and I just say,
gee, lets declare war on Islam, that'll be fun.. LOL!

ISLAM is not conflicted about who they are at war with...
Why are we?

[Link: www.memri.org...]

[Link: www.freeman.org...]

[Link: www.mideastweb.org...]

[Link: www.howardbloom.net...]

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

[Link: www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com...]

#253 Geepers 8/18/2006 11:42AM PDT
ploome is an islamist, she obviously knows not to to take Lebanese hundreds.

ahahahahAHhahaha!

AND
now I am shutting this machine completely OFF
because I keep coming back in this room and calling this page up instead of doing what I am supposed to be doing...

I have to declare war on myself, LOL!
I am not an addict...
I can stop anytime I want!
WAR AGAINST BABBA!

:~P

Goodbye all
thanks for the vent-time and conversation

Yank if I dont see you soon have a great weekend.

#255, Yank in the EU, Well said. The American political foundation is clearly stated in our constitution. The "Islamic Nations" foundation is the Koran. The "Islamic Nation" will destroy itself do to the obsolescence of its ideas and inflexibility. It may get a little help in it's self destruction from outside forces.

#245 Yank in the EU

The Germans and Japanese felt the same way.

They got over it.

#256 BabbaZee

Btw - you should be resting your joints, methinks ;)

Ok, let's say Ahmaddinnerjacket and all the rest of the Islamic fascists want to get all the Muslims in the world to join in a jihad against the Jews and the Christians. How would they do it? They would declare a war on us in the name of the umma and Islam, and then hope we respond in kind. Maybe, if they get lucky we will do something to arouse the closet, taqqya jihadists. As we know from cases of terror around the world, their case has an awful lot going for them, but it is ultimately false that all Muslims are militant. Don't you buy into what the jihadists are selling and want you to believe. They need that 1.6 billion to pose a mortal threat to us. The current plan is to undermine the influence of the jihadists not to legitimate their claims, as seen in the guy on MEMRI.

#115 FearlessMinky:

But no, our government should have stayed clear of this one--and certainly not joined in the whining. Israel should be free to defend herself.

How can you possibly say Bush didn't "stay clear"--when he used all his political and diplomatic capital to oppose an immediate cease-fire? From the very day that war broke out, nearly all of Western Europe and many American Democrats (including all the Clinton Administration retreads like Holbrooke) were calling for an immediate cease-fire. In the face of all that, Bush and Condi kept repeating over and over that they did not want to just go back to the "status quo ante." They gave Israel every opportunity to stage the brilliant maneuvers and knockout blows the IDF was famous for, rather than start the "shuttle diplomacy" on Day One as was customary. Has any other previous U.S. Administration ever been so supportive of Israel in one of its wars as Bush was?

The only reason Bush and Condi finally pulled the plug is because their own intelligence analysts told them what we right here on LGF were seeing: Olmert wasn't winning, either he didn't know how to win or he didn't care to, and the war was becoming a propaganda disaster for the West.

#256, Babba zee. When a nation declares war on you it is not necessary to formally reciprocate, just to defend yourself and seek the best possible outcome. For Americans this means victory. When representatives of an organization that is not a state declare war on a nation, no reciprocal declaration is required either, and the rules of warfare for such a situation have yet to be invented.

The nearest previous situation this country has seen to the present conflict is when we were "consolidating" this nation and some of the indigenous peoples did not want to go along with the program. It did not end well for them.

#255 Yank in the EU:

VDH pointed out in the Soul of Battle that when the West in history has won wars it won behind generals who were willing to use outright brutality when needed. I look to recent cases when we did that pretty well (Kabul, Fallujha or Kosovo) when many, many civilians were killed and the media hardly moved a muscle.

On the contrary, the media got hysterical about all those wars, as usual. Two weeks into the Afghanistan War in October 2001, R.W. Apple of the New York Times called it a "quagmire," and we started to see all the horrific reports about civilian casualties. The only reason public opinion held was because the shock of 9-11 was still fresh in everyone's mind--and for once, we, not the enemy, had the horrific propaganda pictures of thousands of dead civilians right in New York to show the world.

As for Fallujah, the U.S. pulled its punches there to limit casualties and didn't use overwhelming force (which is why the media gave it a pass and why it was a military disaster).

Kosovo was primarily a peacekeeping operation, and the U.S. never sent large numbers of ground troops into harm's way to take heavy casualties. I guess you forgot how hysterical the European news media got over Clinton's bombing of Serbia, and how they harped and harped about the accidental bombing of the Chinese Embassy for weeks on end.

#261, right side. Spot on. When the war resumes, sooner than later, it will be under new management.

Lebanese president: We defeated Israel and plans for state's partition

Lebanese President Emile Lahoud said that "Lebanon has not only defeated Israel, but also the plans for the state's partition."

Lahoud made the statement during a speech to the nation that was broadcast on Lebanese media channels. (Roee Nahmias)

ISLAM IS ISLAM...SEE ABOVE [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Heavy Israeli overflights reported in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley

Israeli drones and warplanes were crisscrossing the skies above Lebanon's eastern Bekaa Valley on Friday night, near the Hizbullah stronghold of Baalbek, security officials said.

The officials had not reported any bomb or missile strikes although the Voice of Lebanon radio said the aircraft had opened fire. (AP)

GET THEM...GET THEM... [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

#263 Right Side

Yes, of course the media clamored about the civilian casualties. The reason I raised these examples (and I meant the case of Clinton sending bombers to stop the Milosevic, which killed thousands of civilians) was because these cities were indeed demolished, a lot of civilians died and public support by Americans neverthless remained solid at the time. Sure, we could have used even more brutal tactics - but my point is that the war effort survived these cases. And it will in the future when our government presents the case to the people of a mortal threat requiring immediate action.

pimf: scratch "the"

#270 ploome hineni

It's all pretty obvious. She's just saying that there's more fighning ahead, first with the PA, then with Syria, and eventually with Iran. Nothing that isn't already obvious.

#261 Right Side

All well and nice, but they must have known that a cease-fire would be worse than a grind-away running battle. Be-cauuuse now the Hizbalarkey are claiming it as a victory (which it is) and using this to galvanize the Israel-haters (which is working).

Come now, you knew they would. 'Fess up.

I cannot call that a "good move." If the fight should continue, then there should be no cease-fire.

/she deals in absolutes. She is...The Fearless Minky!

#272, Fearless Minsky. As you grow older you will become more cognizant of the subtleties of diplospeak. Israel had the green light in Lebanon, after a couple of tentative starts, it chose to make a U-Turn. Time for Isreal to find a new driver befor this one wrecks the car.