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Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 4:11:30 pm PDT

David D. Perlmutter, Professor and Associate Dean for Graduate Studies & Research at the University of Kansas School of Journalism & Mass Communications, has an excellent piece on the Fauxtography Scandal—with a big salute to all the blogs who pushed the story forward: Photojournalism in Crisis.

(August 18, 2006) — The Israeli-Hezbollah war has left many dead bodies, ruined towns, and wobbling politicians in its wake, but the media historian of the future may also count as one more victim the profession of photojournalism. In twenty years of researching and teaching about the art and trade and doing photo-documentary work, I have never witnessed or heard of such a wave of attacks on the people who take news pictures and on the basic premise that nonfiction news photo- and videography is possible.

I’m not sure, however, if the craft I love is being murdered, committing suicide, or both.

Perhaps it would be more reassuring if the enemy at the gates was a familiar one—politicians, or maybe radio talk show hosts. But the photojournalist standing on the crumbling ramparts of her once proud citadel now sees the vandal army charging for the sack led by “zombietime,” “The Jawa Report,” “Powerline,” “Little Green Footballs,” “confederateyankee,” and many others.

In each case, these bloggers have engaged in the kind of probing, contextual, fact-based (if occasionally speculative) media criticism I have always asked of my students. And the results have been devastating: news photos and video shown to be miscaptioned, radically altered, or staged (and worse, re-staged) for the camera. Surely “green helmet guy,” “double smoke,” “the missiles that were actually flares,” “the wedding mannequin from nowhere,” the “magical burning Koran,” the “little girl who actually fell off a swing” and “keep filming!” will now enter the pantheon of shame of photojournalism.

A few photo-illusions are probably due to the lust for the most sensational or striking-looking image—that is, more aesthetic bias than political prejudice. Also, many photographers know that war victims are money shots and some will break the rules of the profession to cash in. But true as well is that local stringers and visiting anchors alike seem to have succumbed either to lens-enabled Stockholm syndrome or accepted being the uncredited Hezbollah staff photographer so as to be able to file stories and images in militia-controlled areas.

It does not help that certain news organizations have acted like government officials or corporate officers trying to squash a scandal. The visual historian in me revolts when an ABC producer informs me that Reuters “deleted all 920 images” by the stringer who produced the “Beirut double smoke” image and is “less than willing to talk about it.” Can you say “18-minute gap,” anyone?

Read the whole thing...

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1 tronman  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:14:34pm

And I wonder why?

2 mama winger  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:15:01pm
I’m not sure, however, if the craft I love is being murdered, committing suicide, or both.

Or, maybe it is going thru a much needed reformation, and will emerge the better for it.

3 easy  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:15:15pm

You simply can't believe what you see any more.

4 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:16:40pm

More cracks...

5 J.D.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:16:49pm

High praise, and deservedly so.

Will they take his advice?

6 RadicalRon  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:17:52pm

You can bet they are seething about this in Koslamistan!

7 Liz Ard  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:17:54pm

I will read the whole thing, then comment.

8 mbruce  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:18:22pm

Oooh,giving Rotorooters the Nixonian curse! Very good article, props to Charles and zombie, kind of gives me goose-bumps.

9 Canadastani  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:18:53pm

Great points all - the takeaway from the scandal is that photos will receive the same scepticism that TV personalities now receive.

10 Ak oilfield worker  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:19:19pm

Perhaps it would be more reassuring if the enemy at the gates was a familiar one—politicians, or maybe radio talk show hosts. But the photojournalist standing on the crumbling ramparts of her once proud citadel now sees the vandal army charging for the sack led by “zombietime,” “The Jawa Report,” “Powerline,” “Little Green Footballs,” “confederateyankee,” and many others.

I like this guy, Charles and Zombie are part of the "enemy at the gates" and "leaders of a vandal army", Cool!

11 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:19:45pm

Excellent recap; but why no mention of "old anguished multiple dwelling bombed crying woman" ?

12 redshirt  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:19:57pm

The really scary thing is that we only caught the obvious ones, created carelessly and staged recklessly. The perpetrators are going to learn their lessons, and photoshopping gets better and better every year. We really are approaching the time where anything can be faked perfectly if someone will just take the proper time. You literally won't be able believe anything you see. Photo admission will be inadmissable and then, where will we be?

13 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:20:03pm
A few photo-illusions are probably due to the lust for the most sensational or striking-looking image—that is, more aesthetic bias than political prejudice.


My BS detector just went nuts.

More aesthetic than political?

Gimme a break.

Show me one MSM journalist(photo or other) that doesn't let their politics influence their "craft".

14 Earth2moonbat  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:20:22pm
Can you say “18-minute gap,” anyone?

I wonder if anyone has them downloaded somewhere? Moral of the story is, download, take screenshots, and otherwise capture content. Bookmarks may point nowhere tomorrow.

15 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:20:28pm
16 zombie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:21:07pm

Speaking of which...

I have been working furiously on a completely revamped and updated version of my Photo Fraud overview. It will be exponentially BIGGER and BETTER than my previous one, and hopefully will the the last word on the entire scandal -- an encyclopedia of fraud.

And it is my intention to use this as a mighty hammer to knock down the MSM once and for all.

It's still in the works, so you'll have to be patient!

17 humanity  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:21:12pm

todays photo-edition can be located at...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

18 Mazeman  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:21:17pm
#7 Liz Ard

I will read the whole thing, then comment.

I've chosen to comment before I read the piece.

19 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:21:32pm

addendum #13

He did say "a few" and I'll agree,however most are heavily politically biased.

20 zombie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:22:35pm

Ooh, look, I'm in the second paragraph! :

Perhaps it would be more reassuring if the enemy at the gates was a familiar one—politicians, or maybe radio talk show hosts. But the photojournalist standing on the crumbling ramparts of her once proud citadel now sees the vandal army charging for the sack led by “zombietime,” “The Jawa Report,” “Powerline,” “Little Green Footballs,” “confederateyankee,” and many others.
21 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:22:38pm
22 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:23:07pm

I just want to make sure everyone also sees this:

Amateur Hour?
A judge’s first-year failing-grade opinion.

23 Nordish12  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:24:49pm

Excellent plug for zombie, Charles, Rusty, etc! You guys are becoming well-known!

24 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:24:53pm
25 Bad Penny  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:25:58pm

Perlmutter! What a great name.

Zombie, what's it like to be famous? Are you ready for your closeup?

26 Nordish12  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:27:09pm

#16 zombie

I have been working furiously on a completely revamped and updated version of my Photo Fraud overview. It will be exponentially BIGGER and BETTER than my previous one, and hopefully will the the last word on the entire scandal -- an encyclopedia of fraud

.

Jeez ... and I thought your current report was already immensely comprehensive! I salute your indefatigability! Seriously, hats off to your energy, zombie.

And it is my intention to use this as a mighty hammer to knock down the MSM once and for all.

It's still in the works, so you'll have to be patient!

Wow ... can't wait to see the end product!

27 ctrlL  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:29:19pm
16 zombie
Speaking of which...
And it is my intention to use this as a mighty hammer to knock down the MSM once and for all.

Whoa, Zombie, you speaketh strong, hopeful words this Friday eve.

/go for it !

28 mr. beamish  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:29:23pm

Zombie,

Hack the planet :)

29 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:30:31pm

#21 rayra

Indeed

So-called journalism schools are filled with students saying they want to "change the world".

What's wrong with learning how to report the news corrrectly,without bias?

IMO the slime that the MSM feeds us is propaganda that borders on brainwashing.

Good thing the blogs are here to expose their BS.

30 J.D.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:30:44pm

#22 FrogMarch

...Whatever Judge Taylor’s motives, it is critical to understand the impact of her decision, were it allowed to stand. Among many damaging results, the Terrorist Surveillance Program, publicly credited not 72 hours ago with helping to prevent the “9/11 Part 2” British airline bombings, will be shut down and our enemies will know it. Worse, neither politically accountable branch of government (even working together) would be able to modify FISA in a way that did not require prior judicial warrants based on probable cause and particularity as to the person targeted. In other words, there would be no lawful way, short of amending the Constitution, to ever collect catastrophic-terrorist-attack warning information unless we knew in advance it was coming, and the identities of the precise individuals who were going to communicate it. ...


Well she got her 15 minutes.
I believe she has earned herself a demotion.

31 zombie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:31:29pm
#25 Bad Penny
Zombie, what's it like to be famous?

I'm not famous! That's the crazy part. The actual, physical meat-and-bones me is completely unknown. The cyber-illusion known as "zombie" that I have created is famous, but "zombie" doesn't exist! It's just six letters I type into a keyboard, a ghost projected onto the fog. You might as well ask Betty Crocker what it's like to be famous!

32 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:32:09pm

It turns out that an old friend of mine, who is now a photographer for the Washington Post, was at the scene where "green helmet guy" held up the dead baby with the dust free pacifier clipped to his clothes.

He took this picture.

33 Bob's Kid  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:33:35pm

This is quite good. We need to see more of it and more people need to see it.

34 Amalie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:35:37pm

32 Ringo

Why is that horse in that photo wearing a sweater?

35 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:36:01pm

zombie is an etherial being,a shadow in a dark alley,a whisper in an empty room,a nameless face in a crowd.

zombie is everywhere and nowhere.

Evil doers beware!

36 Amalie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:36:36pm

Zombie

I asked Betty Crocker what it was like.. she said sometimes she gets spread too thin.

37 Missouri Boy  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:36:55pm

#31 Zombie

The cyber-illusion known as "zombie" that I have created is famous, but "zombie" doesn't exist!

Oh yes you do! You are the modern day ZORRO!
Zombie, Zombie, Zombie..You da man!

38 Bob's Kid  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:37:29pm

Zombie, if you ever decide to burst out of the closet, I can't wait to hear the description of your friends and family when they find out who you 'really' are. Heheheehe.

39 zombie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:37:36pm
#29 TotallySirius
So-called journalism schools are filled with students saying they want to "change the world".

Every year, the UC Berkeley School of Journalism hosts a political conference. Can you guess which party?

That's right: the Socialists.

Every year I sneak in and attend, and every year it's so boring I don't even take pictures or report on it.

Journalism schools long ago stopped teaching "unbiased reporting." Now they overtly insist that students engage in "advocacy journalism," i.e. promoting neo-Marxist ideals and causes as a matter of course. And for another important reason: only good little left-wing ideologues will get the good job offers!

The hypocrisy is stratospheric.

40 Deuce  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:38:02pm

But this guy Perlmutter is from KANSAS and that's a Bushco state, full of deluded people. Thomas Frank said so in his book. And that name... Perlmutter ... something odd about it ... can't put my finger on ... wait! Could it be? Might he be? Ya think ... he's a ZIONIST!

41 Earth2moonbat  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:38:04pm

#35 TotallySirius

Zombie is a quantum being. Zombie exists in all dimensions of the multiverse. Resonating the Hamiltonian...

42 bonz  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:38:12pm

For many years this picture of a Loyalist soldier at the instant of death was considered to be faked. Taken by Robert Capa in 1936. Years later it was proven to be real
a soldier dies

43 zionistentity  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:38:15pm

"...in other words, be as transparent,unarrogant, and responsive as you expect those you cover to be."

Well said, if a touch out of reach for the so-called journalist I can name.

44 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:39:35pm

Amalie,

I guess the slide show starts at the begining. The photograph I was refering to is the 9th one.

45 zombie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:39:39pm
#36 Amalie
I asked Betty Crocker what it was like.. she said sometimes she gets spread too thin.

Are you a gag writer for Rodney Dangerfield?

LOL!

46 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:40:14pm
47 Middle-Earth  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:41:02pm

#32 Ringo the Gringo

Very good pic.

You should have a look Zombie

48 J.D.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:41:31pm

OT
Hope Amid Despair?
A reluctant world begins to confront reality.
By Victor Davis Hanson

...Three years ago no one was talking about profiling at airports. Now the British are exploring how best to do it. Indeed, one of the stranger developments in recent memory is now taking place the world over: Young, Middle-Eastern, Muslim men are eyed and studied by passengers at every airport — even as governments still lecture about the evils of the very profiling that their own millions are doing daily. Muslims can thank al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and an entire culture that won’t condemn terrorism for such ostracism, which only increases with each suicide bomber, human shield, hijacking, kidnapping, and macabre reference to genocide and Jew-killing.

In an amorphous war of self-induced Western restraint, like the present one, truth and moral clarity are as important as military force. This past month, the world of the fascist jihadist and those who tolerate him was once again on display for civilization to fathom. Even the most timid and prone to appeasement in the West are beginning to see that it is becoming a question of “the Islamists or us.”

In this eleventh hour, that is a sort of progress after all.

49 Amalie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:42:01pm
The second, much more painful option, is to implement your ideals, the ones we still teach in journalism school. Admit mistakes right away. Correct them with as much fanfare and surface area as you devoted to the original imag

Mistakes?

50 rappmandu  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:42:06pm
“green helmet guy,” “double smoke,” “the missiles that were actually flares,” “the wedding mannequin from nowhere,” the “magical burning Koran,” the “little girl who actually fell off a swing” and “keep filming!” will now enter the pantheon of shame of photojournalism.


So many band namesrotating titles, so little bandwidth...

51 Beagle  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:42:44pm
The stakes are high. Democracy is based on the premise that it is acceptable for people to believe that some politicians or news media are lying to them; democracy collapses when the public believes that everybody in government and the press is lying to them.

And what of future victims of war? Will the public deny them their sorrows because we will dismiss all smoking rubble and dead children as mere digital propaganda?


Worse, the media encouraged, gave incentives for, dead children in staged video and photo propaganda.

52 Nordish12  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:43:08pm

In a welcome twist of fate for Israel, Hizb ut-Tahrir will actually be protesting against America tomorrow, and marching to the US Embassy in London. Perhaps Moonbat Media should be present.

53 Cartman  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:44:54pm

#39 zombie

And for another important reason: only good little left-wing ideologues will get the good job offers!

Unfortunately, that truism has bled out into other private sector industries and goods and service providers. Hiring practices and employee "maintenance" has increasingly been guided by politically correct influences.

54 GregInSeattle  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:44:56pm

Remember, Muslims don't just hate Crusaders and Jews, they also hate Hindus

55 TotallySirius  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:45:18pm

#39 zombie

I googled the ucb journo school and found this

Gaaah!

That is pure socialism,all they needed was a symposium by Chomsky to make it complete(or did I miss it?).

I need cranial clorox...now!

56 rayra[deleted]  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:45:27pm
57 Mazeman  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:46:02pm
#31 Zombie
8/18/2006 04:31PM PDT
The cyber-illusion known as "zombie" that I have created is famous, but "zombie" doesn't exist! It's just six letters I type into a keyboard, a ghost projected onto the fog. You might as well ask Betty Crocker what it's like to be famous!

That's how Charles used to talk, but now he's famous in the flesh too. It's a matter of time, and you too will have throngs of women throwinf their undergarments at you.

58 zombie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:48:01pm

I'm finally getting around to reading the whole article, and it's pretty obvious this guy read my fraud page very carefully: in this section, he repeats the four categories of deception I outlined, and then mentions a series of scandals which my page is the only place where they all appear together:

And the results have been devastating: news photos and video shown to be 1. miscaptioned, 2. radically altered, or 3. staged (and worse, 4. re-staged) for the camera. Surely “green helmet guy,” “double smoke,” “the missiles that were actually flares,” “the wedding mannequin from nowhere,” the “magical burning Koran,” the “little girl who actually fell off a swing” and “keep filming!” will now enter the pantheon of shame of photojournalism

The power of ideas!

59 zionistentity  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:49:02pm

#31 zombie

zombie is famous.

I attended a anti-anti-Israel rally in L.A. recently and took a number of photographs. I was asked several times if I was "zombie". I got the feeling that if I said I was, I'd get asked for an autograph.

I, for one, thank God for zombie.

60 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:49:17pm

OT...But Important...ROBERT SPENCER Has posted the cover of his new book at Jihad Watch...you should see it...the TRUTH about MUHAMMAD...founder of the worlds most intolert religion... Robert Spencer is a real America hero...This book will not make him loved by Islam...We need more heros like Robert Spencer and Charles Johnson they lead the Charge...THANK YOU BOTH.

61 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:49:44pm
62 nuke gingrich  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:49:52pm

Mr. Pearljambutter: photo fauxtojournalism in crisis.

There. Fixed that for you

63 Amalie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:50:18pm

This blunt, in your face, photos of dead children is working quite in another way. They desensitize us to these images. I don't buy the excuses of how we must see the truth of what has occurred. There are other ways to shoot a photo, to show a dead victim without being graphic which conveys the horror, the sadness of what has happened.

64 Bad Penny  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:51:59pm

Wait a minute. Throngs of women throw their undergarments at Charles? I'm picturing him trying to ride on a bikepath littered with panties.

Fascist headwinds + hurdling piles of panties = one tough ride.

65 zombie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:52:18pm
#57 Mazeman
It's a matter of time, and you too will have throngs of women throwinf their undergarments at you.

Good! I could always use a fresh (or not-so-fresh) supply.

66 hiker  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:53:00pm

Zombie! You're in the big leagues! Keep it up!

67 freedom rings  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:53:14pm

Check out this photo:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Notice the yellow tape says, in English, "The Divine Victory."

Apparently, the conflict has been dubbed "The Divine Victory" across the Middle East:

BEIRUT - Hezbollah boasted on Monday it had scored a "divine victory" in its conflict with Israel while the Jewish state claimed the upper hand, saying the militant group now cannot "do what it likes in Lebanon".
[Link: www.turkishpress.com...]

Now, the really interesting question is how can one get custom-made tapes when one's country is being bombed into oblivion? Hmmm?

I'm sure "The Divine Victory" has some relevance in Islamic history, just haven't found it yet.

68 Bob's Kid  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:54:11pm
zombie is famous.

I attended a anti-anti-Israel rally in L.A. recently and took a number of photographs. I was asked several times if I was "zombie". I got the feeling that if I said I was, I'd get asked for an autograph.

I still think that whenever any of us go to a protest to photograph we say we're Zombie. Good way to hid everyone's identity!

69 amyc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:55:38pm

40 Deuce. Ah, grasshopper, but he is a prof at KU J-school. I went to KU. KU is sometimes called the Berkeley of the midwest.

70 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:56:01pm

# 30 J.D.

All I've read leads me to believe she'll be bitch-slapped by the next court that hears the appeal. And a stay of the order until then is likely to be granted, as the Justice Dept. knows how to 'jurist shop' as well as anybody.

71 Amalie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:57:02pm

This whole incident with Reuters exposed much more than altered or staged photos. It revealed a glimpse into the ghoulish thought processes of group of people, Hiz'bollah and Green Helmet Guy, who used and posed the horrible mangled bodies of dead men, women, children, and babies.

Then we saw how Reuters, in its zeal to propagandize Hizbollah was the conduit to which the MSM splashed these photos across the globe.
Reuters got caught. Where they just sloppy, in too big a hurry? Or was it another reason? Sinister. Using dead babies and children to further its agenda?

72 Bad Penny  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:57:15pm
I got the feeling that if I said I was, I'd get asked for an autograph.

Or get your ass kicked. Anonymous is better.

73 Middle-Earth  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:57:22pm

#52 Nordish12

Radical Muslim convicted for making death threats

The hate speech conviction of the spokesman for Hizb-ut-Tahrir could lead to the group's dissolution

A standing room only crowd looked on Thursday as Fadi Ahmad Abdel Latif was handed a guilty verdict for threatening the life of PM Anders Fogh Rasmussen and inciting to kill Jews.
A unanimous panel of judges in a Copenhagen city court found Adbel Latif, the spokesman for the Danish branch of radical Muslim organisation Hizb-ut-Tahir, guilty on all three counts for which he was charged, including for distributing fliers in 2004 urging Mulsims to 'kill their leaders' if they prevented them from helping their 'brothers' fighting in Fallujah.

He was also convicted for threatening the lives of Jews by calling on Muslims to 'kill them all, wherever you find them'..

Abdel Latif claimed that the flyers had been misinterpreted. He appealed the conviction and the three month jail sentence.

Misinterpreted my as...

74 B0Z  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:57:51pm

Way to go zombie! lizardoids always find ways to hold back the darkness...

75 ORD neighbor  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:58:14pm

The answer to the author's big question about murder or suicide is: both. His worst expectations are irrational exuberant optimism.

76 sailordude  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:59:03pm

R.I.P. MSM

77 DP111  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 2:59:13pm

EU referendum has been doing a thorough analysis of the Qana photo fraud.

[Link: eureferendum.blogspot.com...]

Well worth a read here.

78 paint-right  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:01:12pm

I remember readiing "The Media Lab" years ago, all about the coming technology revolution and the things possible to do and they predicted that the time was coming when news photographs could not be trusted.

I thought of them for the first time when I saw a tabloid with Bush I playing golf with aliens. Yeah, right, I thought, but real 'journalists" won't do this sort of thing.

However, the world has changed and I am wondering if there are any "real " journalists at all anywhere.

Draw your own conclusions...

/or better yet, photoshop them!

79 Amalie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:02:31pm

Well, it's Friday...

Cheers, amigos y amigas ~

80 paint-right  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:05:57pm

Divine victory , indeed.

Wait a while.

Count .

Chickens.

Hatch.

81 Stringart  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:06:01pm

zombie, paging zombie

Are you still taking submissions for the Mohammed Gallery? You may already have this one but I don't recall seeing it anywhere last winter when the Motoon riots were happening.

The Gary Larson Far Side Motoon, and unlike most of the others, is funny.

It ran in 1994, to a distinct lack of seething.

82 Globular Cluster  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:07:03pm

It's great that Perlmutter acknowledges the problem and gives credit to blogs.

However, he fails to point out the sheer number of moonbat incompetents that emerge from journalism schools every year. The photo scandals are merely the tip of the iceberg. In a way, the scandal distracts from the larger problem in the media of undeniable leftist bias that aids our enemies.

The problem here is not simply that media outlets churn out rubbish on a daily basis, but that Perlmutter and other journalism school leaders need to take the same responsibility for the unethical, ideologically crazed non-talents that institutions such as his emit ad nauseum.

83 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:08:40pm

Perhaps the saddest part of all

As someone who has written a history of images of war, I can testify there is more honesty in war photography today than ever in the past in any medium or any war--but there is, of course, much more scrutiny as well.

As the captured Iraqi officer said, "How long have they been lying like this?"

84 Nordish12  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:09:24pm

#73 Middle-Earth

Thanks for the link! I will include it in a potential report tomorrow. Could tomorrow be Hizb ut-Tahrir's last legal protest in England?

85 Mazeman  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:10:32pm
#65 zombie

#57 Mazeman
It's a matter of time, and you too will have throngs of women throwinf their undergarments at you.

Good! I could always use a fresh (or not-so-fresh) supply.

I heard anything can happen in San Francisco...

Now you got me curious, are you M or F? I've always assumed male, but not sure why.You don't have to answer if you don't wish to.

86 J.D.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:11:41pm

#70 Mike C.

That's what I'm seeing as well.
Except primarily at the NYT.

87 scorpio  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:11:53pm

Two things I keep thinking about.

First, there are tragic deaths on both sides of any conflict. They should never be exploited. Speaking for myself only, I find I pay no attention to the suffering of innocent victims anymore. Knowing so much has been photoshopped, staged, etc, I'm numb to it and really the pictures have been good for a laugh on more than one occasion. That's just not right.

Second, none of these fakes have been from the Israeli side. If the Israeli's had even tried something like this, the press would have been all over it and splashed it on the front pages for weeks. These so called photo journalists are willingly being used for PR, knowing that's how Hezbollah can win.

This is much more than just faking photos for a better "story". This is intentional propaganda. And it's been going on for years in the written word as well as photos. Propaganda disguised as news.

Thank you Charles, Zombie, etc. for exposing these frauds. Keep it up.

88 mattm  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:14:12pm

It's a great article. I'm glad the peole responsible for bringign this to light, the blogs, were mentioned.

89 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:14:13pm
“zombietime

Thank You Zombie for the service you provide for us.

90 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:18:17pm

# 86 J.D.

Did read the stuff over at Volokh ? Always one of my first stops when issues like this arise.

91 Cog  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:20:37pm

Not to be too off topic, Tyler Hicks of the NYT was just interviewed by NPR today. He talked about photography in Lebanon, the places he visited, and which photo meant the most to him.

There was a second photographer talking about Israel. No mention of the staged photos Hicks contributed to the NYT, or the NYT's subsequent revision.

Transcript:
[Link: www.npr.org...]

ELLIOTT: Yet you've somehow been able to get some very intimate and close-up pictures of how this is affecting people there.

Mr. HICKS: It's really a challenging job these days in Lebanon to do this work. Today, for example, we had our first opportunity to really get to the far south of Lebanon, to a town called Remish(ph), and a convoy journalist went down to see the situation there.

Despite the fact that we had notified Israeli authorities that we would be in a convoy going to this location, on our way back one of the journalist vehicles was hit by an Israel artillery, injuring the driver and translator of a TV crew coming on the way back.

ELLIOTT: I'd like to ask you some questions about a couple of the photographs of yours that I have here in front of me. In Thursday's edition of the Times, there's a picture of a man helping another out of the rubble of a bombed building. How long did it take for you to get to this scene?

Mr. HICKS: Well, this attack actually happened directly in the city center of Tyre where we stay in our hotel. We heard a series of explosions, so I jumped in the car with several other journalists, and we went to the scene.

One of the problems with covering these situations is that these attacks often come in succession. In other words, they'll hit a building once, and then, whether its 10 minutes later, an hour later, or several hours later after that, they will hit the building or adjacent buildings again. So generally you try to go, get the pictures and get out before anything else happens.

Taking another look at Tyler Hicks alleged staged photo from Lebanon, the "victim" was not only posing as a dead body in line with the caption, with his hat tucked in between his arm and his body, but debris was deliberately piled on top of and wrapped around him.

You do not fall to the ground, according the the NYT's latest revision, and then have wires and debris wrap themselves around you.

Adnan Hajj's photo was a disaster, but in my opinion, Tyler Hicks was much worse. And the MSM is either unwilling or unable to confront him on it.

92 scoreboard44  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:21:25pm

65 zombie


Alright...so maybe your gonna get longer than 15 minutes.


Okay...I'm here...everyone prepared for August 22nd?

93 hornet  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:22:53pm

OT...UK police fine martyr tapes...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

This could wrap it up.

94 Mazeman  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:23:33pm

#92

"Prepared" in what way?
I do have some guns, ammo, gas, water and extra food stored. Does that count?

95 scoreboard44  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:23:36pm

Bottled water, flashlights, a generator..?

Anyone scared like I am that a madman is hoping to die on August 22nd?

And maybe taking others with him?

96 zombie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:24:14pm
#81 Stringart

zombie, paging zombie

Are you still taking submissions for the Mohammed Gallery? You may already have this one but I don't recall seeing it anywhere last winter when the Motoon riots were happening.

The Gary Larson Far Side Motoon, and unlike most of the others, is funny.

It ran in 1994, to a distinct lack of seething.

Nothing gets past the Mohammed Image Archive. The Gary Larsen Motoon is already on my Modern Satires page:

Gary Larson's depiction of Mohammed in his comical take on the old proverb "If Mohammed cannot go to the mountain, then the mountain must come to Mohammed" aroused no ire when it was published as a syndicated comic in hundreds of newspapers around the world
97 J.D.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:24:23pm

#90 Mike C.
I haven't been there, but I will check it out.
This was a good one.
Judges, Politics, and Security
The awful NSA decision proves, once again, that they don’t mix.
By Andrew C. McCarthy

It would be wrong and regrettable, but it is certainly conceivable that the Supreme Court will eventually find the Bush administration’s NSA Terrorist Surveillance Program unconstitutional. One thing is certain, though. Such a ruling by the high Court will not rely on the handiwork of Michigan federal district judge Anna Diggs Taylor. Her effort yesterday to invalidate the program is a transparently political screed.

Judge Taylor last garnered national attention in 2002 when she was caught trying to rig the outcome of an affirmative-action case. Now, this relic of the Jimmy Carter twilight has fixed her gaze on a war against ruthless enemies who have already attacked the United States massively, serially and globally — an enemy whose leadership is unabashed in telling us, repeatedly, that its devout mission is an exponentially more devastating reprise of 9/11’s carnage.

And what does this jurist see? What she calls “the War on Terror of this administration” — not of the American people, but of George W. Bush — which “[p]redictably” seeks to evade judicial review.

Yes, here we have the thematic history of the administration that has fought to defeat jihadists … as told by a vestige of the administration that first empowered jihadists. ...


Not much love lost there for her, as you can see.

98 flipflop  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:25:25pm

Heh...faux-DOH!-journalism.

Hey, you! Rearrange those corpses so I can get a better...oooh...donuts!

99 scoreboard44  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:25:28pm

Mazeman

Yeah...that's a good start.

Prepare as though you might lose power for three or four days.

That's what I'm gonna do.

100 x-ray  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:25:32pm

As my moniker denotes I practice the art of X-ray. I find this controversy very interesting since I now run equipment that can take radiographs digitally or on film. No standard used in the EU (who I think keep it out because it may lead to less employees) or America have been able to trust this technology totally. They all see the ability to cheat. They also seem to know a bad casting here or a bad weld there can be a major liability and cost lives, serious stuff eh.

Apparently journalist either don't realize how many lives they put in jeopardy without standards or they are so completely convinced they know better, that those lost due to their looking the other way are worth the cost.

My job is harder because of the standards imposed but I can sleep at night.

101 Amalie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:25:37pm

What's happening on Aug 22nd?

102 razorbacker  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:25:45pm

Anyone who has ever had the surreal experience of speaking to a reporter, then later reading the resulting story and wondering where in the world said reporter got their facts can understand.

Why should we assume that photojournalists tell the story any better?

103 Mazeman  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:25:57pm

#95 scoreboard44

Oh yes, I have the generator too.
To me, every day is August 22.

104 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:26:22pm

#95 scoreboard44

I have to admit that I am worried. I really wish I could shrug this off, but I'm so afraid that Iran's going to detonate a nuclear weapon of some kind.

I HATE living in "interesting times." I don't want to be part of history. I want to be part of the boring bits that get skipped over in social studies classes.

105 Cartman  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:27:03pm

#92 scoreboard44

Okay...I'm here...everyone prepared for August 22nd?

Not really. At least not much more so than I have been for any other day since shortly after 9/11. Lots of ammo, and a prayer to my Creator each evening before I lay me down to sleep. What's in a date, anyway...

106 zombie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:27:11pm
#85 Mazeman

Now you got me curious, are you M or F? I've always assumed male, but not sure why.You don't have to answer if you don't wish to.

Boy, you've got a lot of catching up to do! People have been kicking that one around for over three years.

107 Earth2moonbat  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:27:33pm

#92 scoreboard44

everyone prepared for August 22nd?

Were you prepared for Y2K?

108 Bad Penny  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:28:11pm
everyone prepared for August 22nd?

What do ya'all think is going to happen? I'm thinking it might be an invasion of Iraq. Along with various splodeydopes where ever Iran has managed to plant them.

109 amyc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:28:19pm

Amelie, c'mon. Aug 22 is Ahmadinutjob's special day. His big party. Didn't you read the invitation in the papers?

110 J.D.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:28:23pm

#101 Amalie
Why everyone will be busy getting ready for my birthday the next day. The flowers, the cake, the decorations, the champagne, the limo, you know. The normal birthday stuff.

111 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:28:58pm

# 97 J.D.

Exactly what I did not want to read. I'm not interested (much) in the politics of the issue, but rather the legal points. Because that's whats most likely to determine the final outcome. See also Paul's piece at Power Line.

112 amyc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:31:04pm

I got bottled water. I might buy a generator since we now live in a hurricane susceptible area. My husband told me I can't buy another gun (!) try that one on for size.

113 scoreboard44  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:31:08pm

96 zombie

Good stuff.

114 Mazeman  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:31:37pm
#106 zombie

Boy, you've got a lot of catching up to do! People have been kicking that one around for over three years.

Well no matter what, I love your stuff.
Stuff, as in "work".
Keep it up. Continue your excellent research.

115 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:31:43pm

# 104 Gotc

Much more likely, I think, they announce they have one. Not that I would believe it, but then that wouldn't be the point.

116 Nordish12  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:32:06pm
#85 Mazeman

Now you got me curious, are you M or F? I've always assumed male, but not sure why.You don't have to answer if you don't wish to.

zombie is a zombie ... asexual/transsexual ... but definitely sexy! :P

117 Promethea  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:33:09pm

#31 zombie . . .


I'm not famous! That's the crazy part. The actual, physical meat-and-bones me is completely unknown.

But...but...zombie, you're great and powerful...just like the Wizard of Oz.

Or, maybe like the guy who helped win the WW2 battle for Sicily...the Man Who Never Was!

118 Amalie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:34:48pm

#110 J.D. 8/18/2006 05:28PM PDT

#101 Amalie
Why everyone will be busy getting ready for my birthday the next day. The flowers, the cake, the decorations, the champagne, the limo, you know. The normal birthday stuff.

Oh well...

surprise.. :{

119 J.D.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:35:12pm

#111 Mike C.
I'll check it out.
You do know who Andrew McCarthy is, right?
[Link: www.defenddemocracy.org...]

120 scoreboard44  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:35:56pm

104 Goddessoftheclassroom

I'm worried because I think he has it and is gonna use it on Tel Aviv.

105 Cartman
I'm with you on the prayer thing.

101 Amalie
Amadinnerjacket has said he will give the UN it's answer on the 22nd. Better explained by Robert Spencer on August 8th? and Bernard Shaw. If you can find the columns...we've been discussing this briefly for the past month.

107 Earth2moonbat

Yes...actually...I was.

121 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:36:21pm

OT: Did you know that Turkey is shelling Iraq? Well, Iran is too, but that didn't surprise me.

Scores of Kurds have fled their homes in the northern frontier region after four days of shelling by the Iranian army. Local officials said Turkey had also fired a number of shells into Iraqi territory.

Snip

Frustrated by the reluctance of the US and the government in Baghdad to crack down on the PKK bases inside Iraq, Turkish generals have hinted they are considering a large-scale military operation across the border. They are said to be sharing intelligence about Kurdish rebel movements with their Iranian counterparts.

Snip

Ilnur Chevik, editor of the New Anatolian newspaper in Ankara, said: "There is huge public pressure on the Turkish government to take action." But he doubted whether Turkish forces would mount a full-scale invasion."The build-up of troops is designed to say to the Americans and the Iraqis, the ball is in your court." Tehran was also taking advantage of the situation, he said, "to show Turkey that it was taking action against its shared enemy, while the US, Turkey's ally, has done nothing".

It's from al-Guardian

122 J.D.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:37:02pm

#118 Amalie
:-O

124 scorpio  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:38:47pm

zom·bie also zom·bi

1. A snake god of voodoo cults in West Africa, Haiti, and the southern United States.
2.
1. A supernatural power or spell that according to voodoo belief can enter into and reanimate a corpse.
2. A corpse revived in this way.
3. One who looks or behaves like an automaton.
4. A tall mixed drink made of various rums, liqueur, and fruit juice.

Hey, Zombie, you need to call green helmet guy. I think he could use you. I think he is an equal opportunity employer, so doesn't matter if you're male or female.

And I'll have a Number 4.

125 Middle-Earth  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:39:02pm

#84 Nordish12

Could tomorrow be Hizb ut-Tahrir's last legal protest in England?

Let's hope that :)

126 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:39:09pm

# 119 J.D.

Oh yes - I know who he is. My point was I wanted the legal issues, not the political ones. That piece was primarily political.

127 Amalie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:39:14pm

Has anyone seen my Sarc Tag? I must of misplaced it some post ago..

128 Mazeman  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:40:27pm

"August 22nd". WSJ column by Bernard Lewis.

129 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:40:39pm

OT: Londonistan Calling...
Inside the Islamic group accused by MI5 and FBI

Tablighi Jamaat, whose activities are being monitored by the security services, holds the tightly guarded meetings on an industrial estate close to the area where some of the suspects in last week's terror raids were arrested.

This week it emerged that at least seven of the 23 suspects under arrest on suspicion of involvement in the plot to blow up transatlantic airliners may have participated in Tablighi events...

Another follower added: "Sometimes the youngsters say that if they saw President Bush they would chop his head off, and things like that. But we're discouraged from talking about politics. If elders say these things it is out of anger. They're not dangerous, they can't actually do anything."

130 chazmo  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:41:24pm

Betty was a friend of mine...you Sir are no Betty.
Aw shucks I'm teasin you Zombie. Your work is top notch !

131 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:41:51pm

If we all panic now we'll be too pooped to panic on the 22nd.

132 scoreboard44  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:43:25pm

123 Middle-Earth

Absolutely.

Guys like that...would die for Islam. Firing Rockets into Tel Aviv, for the greater good of Islam and his eventual martrydom, is what he is looking forward too.

Terrifying because I don't know what our reaction would be if the Arrow interceptors and the Patriots didn't do the job.

Chilling.

133 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:43:44pm
134 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:44:40pm

# 131 K T

On the other hand, we could beat the rush.

135 scoreboard44  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:45:06pm

128 Mazeman

I said "Shaw" didn't I.

Thinking clearly not me tonight.

136 E.T.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:45:33pm

#121 Damn… the Kurds again ? They always seem to be getting it from all sides. Why not beak a piece of Iraq off for them. If anybody deserves their own state it’s them

137 Amalie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:45:42pm

133 Ploome

Me too. How's about an ice cold brew? Here's the peanuts..

138 Bad Penny  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:46:02pm
OT: Did you know that Turkey is shelling Iraq?

I'm sorry but this story does not fit the accepted narrative. Please ignore it.

/msm

139 Stringart  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:46:06pm

#96 zombie


Nothing gets past the Mohammed Image Archive.

All hail the all-knowing, all-seeing, all-archiving zombie. You da man/woman.

And congrats to both you and Charles for being the vandal army.

140 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:46:10pm

I just hope they don't blow up the North Pole while I'm flying over it that day.

141 Beagle  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:46:45pm

#131 Killgore Trout

If we all panic now we'll be too pooped to panic on the 22nd.


Save panic, or we're doomed!

142 scoreboard44  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:47:46pm

128 Mazeman


Yeah...and that's it...


But what is amazing...or just natural...the regular's where on it the day he said it.

I don't know if it was Kilgore Trout or Jammiewearingfool or who...that first noted it on the day that Amadinnerjacket said it.


That's why I like it here.

143 Amalie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:48:48pm

Why blow up the North Pole..

Oh no... Santa!

o:

144 J.D.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:49:09pm

#126 Mike C.
I guess it is.
It's what appeals to me more.
Although I read Volkh and Powerline upon your suggestion.

145 amyc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:50:29pm

Isn't preparing the opposite of panicking? And NO I didn't prepare in any way for Y2K. I was quite confident that was nothing.

146 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:50:38pm

# 141 Beagle

No problem - I've got a Panic Savings Account.

147 scorpio  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:51:02pm

From Ynet news

The serving Iranian General Commander of the Iranian Army, General Muhamad-Reza Ashtiani said, "In the coming days Iran will initiate a large military exercise." This was reported the Iranian news agency Mehr.

In a press conference the general announced that 12 divisions of the land forces will participate in the exercise and that it also include joint exercise of the land, sea, and air forces. During the exercise, that Iranian army will test new weapons and ammunition. (Dudi Cohen)

Published on Aug. 18

148 scoreboard44  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:51:15pm

141 Beagle


Good to see you.

Everyone...nobody panic...just on the 21st...

GROUP HUG EVERYONE!

I am drinking.

149 scoreboard44  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:53:07pm

I got a ball game to go to on the 22nd.

I ain't quite ready for the potential end of the world scenario yet.

But...I am preparing this weekend.

150 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:53:23pm

# 144 J.D.

Sounds to me as if the opinion is so poorly reasoned and written, it's got little chance of withstanding appeal.

151 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:56:07pm

This is a good time to link a long but well-worthwhile article Peggy Noonan wrote way back in 1996:
There Is No Time, There Will Be Time

We fear, down so deep it hasn’t even risen to the point of articulation, that with all our comforts and amusements, with all our toys and bells and whistles . . . we wonder if what we really have is . . . a first-class stateroom on the Titanic. Everything’s wonderful, but a world is ending and we sense it...If someone does the big, terrible thing to New York or Washington, there will be a lot of chaos and a lot of lines going down, a lot of damage, and a lot of things won’t be working so well anymore. And thus a lot more . . . time.

152 amyc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:57:05pm

147 scorpio is that the Reza who keeps getting offended?

153 J.D.  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:58:18pm

#150 Mike C.
I agree.
I hope we're correct!

154 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:58:37pm

Late to the thread (I read the article), but I think the best we can hope for is that journalists who are operating in areas where the press is not free to report the truth will at least include in their reports that their reporting is under the control of the local government or militia or whatever.

If they either aren't allowed to or don't choose to make that statement, their journalistic integrity is hopelessly compromised.

155 Right Side  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 4:03:46pm

Hey, maybe Charles Johnson can get an honorary degree from that School of Journalism. Or maybe he can be the guest speaker at next year's Commencement Exercises.

156 scorpio  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 4:10:08pm

#152 amyc

I'm not sure. I did a quick google search and didn't find anything. Do you remember where you read it?

157 Cartman  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 4:17:12pm

#145 amyc

Isn't preparing the opposite of panicking? And NO I didn't prepare in any way for Y2K. I was quite confident that was nothing.

Which was a good thing, in retrospect. I worked for 3 years repairing code for corporate clients who faced catastrophic business failure due to simple date interpretations. I saw live parallel testing that brought corporate-wide computer systems to their knees in less that 15 minutes of nightly data processing. Banks and other financial institutions, hospitals and health care providers, insurance companies, etc. Point being, there are lots of things on the burner that are being cooked in preparation for another potential disaster. Never underestimate the power of capitalism, freedom...and good ol' fashioned Western ingenuity.

158 Right Side  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 4:18:50pm

#68 Bob's Kid:

I still think that whenever any of us go to a protest to photograph we say we're Zombie. Good way to hid everyone's identity!


What you should do, is say in a low, conspiratorial, ominous voice:

"I am Zombie. There are many of us. We are all Zombie."


You will scare the pants off all the Left moonbats like DU and KOS.

159 Right Side  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 4:35:29pm

#87 scorpio:

This is much more than just faking photos for a better "story". This is intentional propaganda. And it's been going on for years in the written word as well as photos. Propaganda disguised as news.


It's been going on for a very long time. For those who like political thriller novels, there were at least three from the 1960s and 1970s whose plots dealt specifically with the issue of media bias: "Capable of Honor (1966)," and "Preserve and Protect (1968)," both by Allen Drury; and "The Spike (1979)," by Arnaud de Borchgrave.

This is an excerpt from Drury's 1968 novel about news coverage of a U.S. counterinsurgency war:

To set the climate in which political decisions must be made, there would be selected photographs and film clips of: VILLAGERS DRAGGED FROM HOMES AS U.S. CLEARS AREA; CHILD CRIPPLED BY U.S. SHELL FIRE.

Carefully would be considered other photographs--of loyal villagers hacked to pieces by rebels, of the naked bodies of U.S. Marines tortured by rebels. Carefully they would be considered, and then discarded. To show them would be to destroy the public's objectivity--and that just wouldn't be fair.

Sound familiar?

160 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 4:36:16pm

The protestors' fear of being photographed, recorded, or questioned is odd.

Imagine you're a protestor. You make a sign, you grab that sign, you head to the streets. Why? Presumably, because you want people to read your sign. You want to get your message out.

Along comes one person or a whole group of people and they record you and your sign for a wider audience. Shouldn't this be a good thing to you? Even if you suspect the audience will disagree with your message, are you ashamed of it? Do you have something to hide? If you wish to hide, marching in a public street with the messages seems an odd way to do it. If someone comes up to you and asks you to expound on your sign, shouldn't you jump at the chance instead of just walking off?

I know, I'm using logic and that's just crazy talk.

161 hornet  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 4:36:28pm

Buzz off Ackdinnerjacket. Nothing will happen on Aug. 22 except Tottenham Hotspur vs. Sheffield United, and Middlesbrough vs. Chelsea. Golden should be at the pub downing a few pints. :)

162 ratherdashing  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 4:38:15pm

August 22nd?

Just head to Lehman's Hardware

Here's their online catalog

163 rickl  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 4:42:55pm
#131 Killgore Trout

If we all panic now we'll be too pooped to panic on the 22nd.


So let's get all the panicking out of our system now. Then we'll all be clear-headed on the 22nd.

164 rickl  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 4:46:42pm
#158 Right Side


I am Zombie!

/Spartacus

165 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 4:47:44pm
166 ratherdashing  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 5:16:06pm

Meanwhile, inquiring minds at Yahoo Answers want to know...

If you were surrounded by Zombies what would you do?

167 Ledger1  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 5:16:18pm

I’m not sure… if the craft I love is being murdered, committing suicide, or both. -David D. Perlmutter

Neither.

It’s was a calculated ambush of honesty that backfired on the “Photojournalist.” They filled their scatter gun with so much BS it exploded in in their face.

Once RatherGate was exposed by Charles and others they should have taken notice – but they did not.

Look, we know when a “wedding dress” just happens to appear in a war zone the photo is staged. End of story.

Worse, the photogs on the ground certainly knew how Green Helmet Guy did his tricks. They were right there. And, they participated in the fraud.

Worse, the editors at Reuters and the AP know what a real picture and fake picture look like – but they chose to go with the fake ones.

There is a nexus between lawyers in school and journalists in school. I think because of that nexus journalist feel safe and secure (all they have to do pickup the phone talk to a lawyer and produce a reasonable explanation for their fake work – “dust on the camera... Bad lighting” and so on).

There were no checks and balances in the past. But, because of people like Charles and Zombie there are now. And, it’s a painful adjustment for the so called “journalists.”

I have quit watching the “evening news” long ago.

Now, when I am on the Web and I click on a news story the first thing I check for is the actual writer and the news organization. If I see a writer I know has produced slanted news before I close the story and move on.

If I see Reuters, AP, CNN, CBS I close the story and move on.

I can find commentary on said stories without evening having to give the AP, or Reuters a mouse click. As they say: Don’t feed the monster.

168 Nancy  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 5:29:33pm

Zombie, I was thinking of all your peace activist photos when some of the details of the Vermont woman --Cathy Mayo, flight diverted --came out.

A typical peace activist poster child

"Mayo told about her 1960s activism. About her love of Cat Stevens and Howard Dean. a longtime liberal activist who became angry and devastated by the turn of events in the world since Sept. 11, 2001.

BUT………it appears she had mental issues LONG before 9/11.

Her lawyer said yesterday that Mayo's family said she ``has a problem being grounded in reality" that has required past hospitalizations. "

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Even stranger --how could someone not be known in a town of 1200 persons?

Her arrest brought attention to this town of about 1,200 in central Vermont, where Mayo was largely unknown. [Link: www.chron.com...]

169 antisocial_ist  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 5:42:47pm

A shout-out to Dr. M:

"The Future Is Now!"

170 antisocial_ist  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 5:54:36pm

Zombie,

I did some college and paid professional journalism.

It's all about getting it out on time and getting it right.

Sometimes it's not perfect. I once threw an X-acto knife into a corkboard in the backshop over a grammatical error about to be published.

In the grind of a daily paper, with the production people ready to go out for wings and beer after the paper's put to bed, sometimes you don't have time stop the presses for perfection.

But you always have time to stop the presses for a caught lie.

It still comes down to the editors, as it always has.

171 reggie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:44:43pm
Surely “green helmet guy,” “double smoke,” “the missiles that were actually flares,” “the wedding mannequin from nowhere,” the “magical burning Koran,” the “little girl who actually fell off a swing” and “keep filming!” will now enter the pantheon of shame of photojournalism.

He forgot the "house that was destroyed every several days," the (related) "woman whose house was destroyed every several days," the "aid worker / victim," the "look at these Israeli severed body parts!" etc.

But in the interest of being fair and balanced, I must point out that the Israeli military did censor news during the war, prohibiting reporters from identifying precisely where Katyusha rockets were landing.

So, like, there's always that.

172 Ghost  Sat, Aug 19, 2006 1:13:31am

Think about this seriously:
Do the nation's paying newspaper subscribers have grounds for a class-action lawsuit against these media providers of false information?

Certainly we have an expectation of accuracy and truthfulness, and the media isn't taking reasonable action to ensure this.

If nothing else, it could get a lot of publicity for the issue and make the media bigshots be more careful.

I get a couple notices of class-action lawsuits each year, and most get settled. Most are for fairly small things. They main key seems to be to get a lot of participants.

173 Indefatigable  Sat, Aug 19, 2006 3:13:12am

I did some newspaper writing in my last year of college for a bi-weekly conservative publication. While it wasn't the daily grind of an everyday newspaper, I understand the pressures to get something down. However, I made sure that what I was writing was based on verifiable facts, not conjecture. It's sad these idiots don't have the scruples for it.

174 hoyode  Sat, Aug 19, 2006 1:06:00pm

I have a confession to make. When I finally got my degree (at the age of 42),it was a degree in (photo) journalism at San Francisco State.


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