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Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 7:47:20 pm PDT

They’re all backing out.

None of the European countries who were so loudly calling for a cease-fire in Lebanon are willing to commit troops. They’re afraid of being sitting ducks, human shields for Hizballah. And they should be: Europeans Delay Decision on Role Inside Lebanon. (Hat tip: Ron.)

PARIS, Aug. 20 — The shaky, United Nations-brokered cease-fire in Lebanon suffered another blow on Sunday when the European countries that had been called upon to provide the backbone of a peacekeeping force delayed a decision on committing troops until the mission is more clearly defined.

Their reservations postponed any action on the force at least until Wednesday, when the European Union will take up the issue.

Haunted by their experiences in Bosnia in the 1990’s, when their forces were unable to stop widespread ethnic killing, European governments are insisting upon clarifying the chain of command and rules of engagement before plunging into the even greater complexities of the Middle East.

“In the past, when peacekeeping missions were not properly defined, we’ve seen major failures,’’ a spokeswoman for the French Foreign Ministry, Agnès Romatet-Espagne, said Sunday. “There are the bad memories of Bosnia. This time we want the answers beforehand, so we don’t come to the problems when they have happened.’’

In addition, a senior French official said, “Italy, Spain and Finland have raised the same questions as France has.” Following the usual diplomatic practice, the official asked not to be identified. A spokesman for the Spanish Foreign Ministry said Spain was willing to send troops, “but the rules have to be clarified and agreed on.”

Some countries, like Australia, which has placed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, have flatly refused to commit troops. “We have no intention of making any significant contribution,” said a senior Australian government official, who was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter. “We don’t have any confidence in it. It is not going to have the mandate to disarm Hezbollah.”

Good for Australia.

The only purpose of this cynical charade was to enable France to improve their image in the Islamic world, at Israel’s expense. They never intended to follow through.

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1 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:48:04pm

They're backing out? When did they pull in?

2 Liz Ard  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:48:08pm

this whole ceasefire deal is a joke.

3 mama winger  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:48:37pm

Why are we surprised when cowards cower?

4 DesertSage  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:48:56pm

Boy, that took France less time than their surrender to Germany...

5 goblue79  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:49:15pm

Not sure who's worse, Koffi or Chirac.

6 ctrlL  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:49:33pm

Ok, Olmert:

do what you need to do, dammit


/f u, kofi

7 6patrick6  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:50:24pm

Australia gets it, fortunately for them!

The Continent, OTOH, will die of it's own stubbornness and pig-headedness (pun intended).

8 want2beadoc  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:50:45pm

Does France want another world war?

9 6patrick6  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:51:19pm

At least Koffee and Chirac can't mate and produce some demon spawn.

One saving grace.

10 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:51:29pm

Back to work, IDF!

I hope Olmert is history soon.

11 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:51:54pm

Looks like you have to register with NYT to read the whole thing

12 goblue79  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:52:25pm

#8 want2beadoc

Does France want another world war?

Of course they do: without a world war, how can they surrender?

13 mama winger  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:52:35pm

Posturing, Posturing

Prancing and Dancing

Wining and Dining

Talking and Talking and Talking and Talking


War - what is it good for?
Absolutely somethin'.
Say it again.

14 astroturf  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:52:37pm

Kofi Annan should be arrested and charged with impersonating a UN Secretary-General.

15 WarBicycle  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:53:09pm

Chicken shits.

16 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:53:38pm

Ron's a suck-up!

/jk

17 Stormy70  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:54:24pm

I bet Israel is restocking all their munitions and giving their soldiers a nice rest. I notice the reserves are still engaged at this point, which means that Israel realizes that Europe will not follow through. Now Europe can shut the hell up when Israel goes back in.

This was the intent of the ceasefire, in my opinion. Israel needed to restock, and keep Europe and the UN off their backs.

18 Salem  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:54:56pm

Um. Wow. I guess this is what needed to happen though, huh?

19 J.D.  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:55:01pm
20 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:55:05pm

Mama Winger

War! Hunh!

What is it good for?

Absolutely nothin!

War! Hunh!

:D

21 ASD  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:55:34pm

#9 6patrick6
I'm desperatly trying to get that image out of my head.

22 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:55:59pm

18 Salem

Hi Salem.

I read your Planet Of The Apes On Plane post last night.

LOL ~~

23 republic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:56:57pm

I know this sounds like a broken record, but the U.N. truly is completely broken, and useless!

The U.N. needs to be dismantled, and out of the USA, and the USA out of it.

For the billions of our tax dollars that the USA puts in, there is absolutly nothing worthwhile that comes out of it, except extreme hatred of the USA and Israel, by the very U.N. that we give billions of dollars to.

If the Democrats were to acheive control, the useless U.N. would be given nearly every major crisis and problem affecting our country, and with the U.N.'s dismal record, that would have tragic consequences.

The U.N. needs to go, and the USA needs to get out of it.

Kofi Annan is a confirmed islamofacist terrorist supporter, and he is obviously a supporter of the genocide which is clearly happening in the Sudan!

The U.N. is completely broken and useless, and if it continues on its way, it will cause more harm to the world, more than anything else imaginable.

24 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:57:15pm

None of the European countries who were so loudly calling for a cease-fire in Lebanon are willing to commit troops.

At least they had the foresight to avoid a quagmire of disproportionate proportions.

25 goblue79  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:57:43pm

#17 Stormy70

This was the intent of the ceasefire, in my opinion. Israel needed to restock, and keep Europe and the UN off their backs.

I wish that were true, but I guarantee that as soon as hostilities begin again, these spineless bastards will begin attacking Israel's "disproportionate use of force."

26 dead sea squirrel  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:57:45pm

They pretend to take these "solutions" seriously when it's only Jewish blood that will be spilled if they are followed. When it might be some of their own blood, forget it.

It's simple.

27 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:57:56pm

Quackmire... Sitting ducks..

28 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:58:04pm

What if they had a cease-fire and no one showed up?

29 DesertSage  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:58:58pm

If Darwins theory of evolution is true, Europeans are the first humans to mutate to the point of not having spines anymore.

30 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:59:36pm

Amalieee!

Do you have the same email you did a year ago?

31 Thanos  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 5:59:37pm

I'll remind everyone that the Bosnian crisis didn't stop until the US got more heavily involved, and then we were castigated roundly by Europe.

OT carried over from a previous thread, India is rediscovering Patriotism (really in their case Matriotism) and the umma is again objecting. Article and Background and more background
and the quote from Hindustani Times:

A Central directive asking state governments to advise all the schools to recite the first two stanzas of Vande Mataram at 11 a.m. on September 7 is likely to snowball into a major controversy. September 7 marks the completion of the centenary celebrations to commemorate adoption of the national song.

There is already a strong reaction in the Muslim community with its clerics opposing the move calling it “against the tenets of Islam”. Many of them have urged the community members to ensure that their children do not follow the directive.

Talking to Hindustan Times, member of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) Khalid Rasheed said the recitation of Vande Mataram was a gunah in accordance with the Shariat. Any such directive from a secular government at the Centre was not acceptable, he said.

32 Bobblehead  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:00:16pm

Okay.. One now has to ask oneself if the Pres. knew this would happen.

And if he did, was his thought to give Israel time to get their shit together and maybe a change in their leadership?

33 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:01:44pm

30 victor_hugo

Nooo!

Do you want me to drop you a line?

34 Tim V  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:02:13pm

France needs to make a decision.Do they plan on being on the side of freedom and democracy, or will they sit back and do nothing and continue to enjoy the free ride provided by the USA and UK in handling the global war against Islamic terroists.

My guess is they will vote for the free ride.They have gotten used to it.

35 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:02:25pm

14 astroturf

Kofi Annan should be arrested and charged with impersonating a UN Secretary-General.


What's so different about Koffin Anus?

The problem is what the UN has turned into.

OT - watching thermobaric bomb tests on Discovery. These are fuel-air-explosive bombs that will work in tunnels, without much air. I wonder how they'd work on Iran's buried nuclear sites?

36 ted  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:02:47pm

Has does this jive with the Europeons history of fondness for receptive anal intercourse?

37 NTropy  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:03:03pm
PARIS, Aug. 20 — The shaky, United Nations-brokered cease-fire in Lebanon suffered another blow on Sunday when the European countries that had been called upon to provide the backbone of a peacekeeping force delayed a decision on committing troops until the mission is more clearly defined.

Loving the irony there.

38 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:03:54pm

Victor Hugo

Try it now..

39 goodbye_natalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:03:57pm

#29 DesertSage,

If Darwins theory of evolution is true, Europeans are the first humans to mutate to the point of not having spines anymore.

And with punctuated equilibrium, soon thereafter the French males mutated to the point of no longer requiring testicles.

Maybe that helps to explain the low European birth rate?

40 PDM  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:03:58pm

(As predicted) The process of getting French troops into this war zone:

First, you have to sedate them.
There's the whole process of packing them up against their will and transportation.
Then there's delivery to their destination, and positioning to consider.
Finally, they have to be snapped out of the effects of the drugs.

But when that's finally accomplished, I know France will do what comes naturally... run like a bat out of hell so Israel can do what needs to be done.

41 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:04:09pm

Bobblehead

I think so--he's a great poker player.

42 Murqtaad  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:04:18pm

Australia is our sister country. Without a doubt.

I love Australia.

43 hithere  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:04:24pm

Does the UN ever admit failure? The cease fire is a mindboggling failure. Actually, it's not a failure so much as it is a fraud perpetrated by the UN. This is the UN equivalent of calling in a take-out order from a pay phone for a dozen pizzas and not picking them up. Ha, ha. Nice prank.

Now how on earth is the UN supposed to deal with Iran? How likely is it that the UN will grow a backbone between now and Aug. 31, Iran's deadline to halt uranium enrichment?

44 Jimmy The Clam  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:04:32pm

All I can say is : Good on you Australia and YEAH!

This story made my night.
Done correctly, this can expose the UN for the worthless pile that it is (once more), AND give Israel a second chance to get it right!

Please Olmert, don't let this one slip through your fingers too.

45 Stormy70  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:04:36pm

Let me clarify my comment. Europe and the UN were freaking out, and protestors were boarding planes and giving Blair a hard time for allowing the US to ship munitions to Israel. The IDF had been bombing for one month, and needed those munitions. Now Israel can resupply, while the EU and the UN dicker along like idiots working on a phantom cease fire that will fail.
When it fails, Israel will have rested forces and lots of munitions for the coming battles. The Un and EU will bitch, but why listen to non-military powers. Let them have there butter, and shut the hell up!

46 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:04:37pm

#29 DesertSage 8/20/2006 07:58PM PDT

If Darwins theory of evolution is true, Europeans are the first humans to mutate to the point of not having spines anymore.

LOL

Ahunh.

47 mich-again  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:06:22pm

Well, if there isn't going to be a French Chef there, its not surprising that none of the other Euros would want to go to Kofi's party in Lebanon.

48 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:06:39pm

Meanwhile, UNIFIL hasn't issued a press release since this one last Friday (8/18/2006):

UNITED NATIONS INTERIM FORCE IN LEBANON (UNIFIL)
Naqoura, 18 August 2006
PRESS RELEASE

In accordance with Resolution 1701, the Israeli Army continued yesterday the withdrawal from Lebanese territory, and the Lebanese Army deployed troops further south of the Litani River in the areas vacated by the IDF. These operations are conducted in close coordination and with the support of UNIFIL.

The Israeli Army withdrew today from the areas of Yatar and Haddathah in the central sector. They handed over control to UNIFIL, which established a number of checkpoints and patrolled these areas to verify the withdrawal of the Israeli Army.

The Lebanese Armed Forces completed the process of deployment inside the territory vacated earlier by the IDF, while UNIFIL controls a buffer zone to the south, between the Lebanese Army and the IDF. Significant numbers of troops of the Lebanese Army are deployed in Tyre and south of Tyre to Qulayah and in the general area of Tibnin, and in the area of Marjayoun, where a brigade HQ was established.

The Israeli Army withdrawal and the deployment of the Lebanese Army shall continue in the coming days in accordance with the plan and timeline agreed during a trilateral meeting of the Force Commander UNIFIL and the senior representatives of the Lebanese and Israeli Army.

The cessation of hostilities was generally maintained in the past 24 hours. There were no reports of incidents or breaches of the agreement, the parties have not fired into the territory of or at the other side, and there were no attempts to occupy any additional territory.

On two instances yesterday morning, Israeli aircraft violated Lebanese airspace in the central sector. Also, violation of the Blue Line on the ground in Shebaa area has resumed. Yesterday, two Lebanese shepherds and approx. 100 sheep crossed the Blue Line towards Israel. Such incidents can endanger very fragile and tense situation.

UNIFIL continued intensive ground and air patrolling throughout its area of operation to assess the situation on the ground and to monitor the cessation of hostilities.

UNIFIL de-mining team from the Chinese contingent carried out operations to clear unexploded ordnance (UXO) in the area of Al-Qantarah.

UNIFIL has been providing water and food to villages of Ayta Achaab and Al Bustan. It is reported that the internally displaced people continue to return in numbers in the villages in the UNIFIL area of operation.

UNIFIL also hasn't mentioned Hizballah in its press releases since the 16th, yet it has time for the wandering sheep...

49 Salem  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:07:20pm

I read your Planet Of The Apes On Plane post last night.

Oh, thank God! I live for that. Really.

50 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:07:22pm

Why does the UN have to deal with Iran? I thought they were already in bed together.

51 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:07:38pm

#33 Amalie:

Not today. But, FWIW, I do still have the same nick I had a year ago, so if you still have those emails, you can use them to reply.

If not, click here, and in the comment space, tell me the occupation of the guy you were seeing a year ago. That's how I'll know it's you.

I just want to send a private follow-up to last night's rant. I got some splainin' to do.

52 Tim V  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:07:42pm

If Darwins theory of evolution is true, Europeans are the first humans to mutate to the point of not having spines anymore

and the FRENCH have mutated to having only one testicle.

53 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:08:08pm

By the way, "such incidents can endanger very fragile and tense situation" would make a good rotating title...

54 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:08:09pm

49 Salem

You rule...

Still laughing about it..

:D

55 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:09:13pm
56 Orson Buggy  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:09:38pm

#48 Dar ul Harb

"UNIFIL also hasn't mentioned Hizballah in its press releases since the 16th, yet it has time for the wandering sheep... "

Yeah, you get the impression that those guys don't get out much.

57 Stuck-in-CA  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:09:45pm

The UN and the [bigoted word]s are play us like a fiddle. It's nauseating. Our and Israel's leaders are looking really inept.

58 MSMediaCritic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:10:07pm

That explains that beeping noise I've been hearing -- Europe's backing up.

59 SpartanWoman  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:10:13pm
They’re all backing out.

Except, of course the muslim countries. They're eager to kill jews and help arm hezbos. The ceasefire was merely a charade to rearm europe's terrorist amis.

Screw them

60 antisocial_ist  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:10:23pm

Isreal will hold the truce until Aug. 23. Then all bets are off.

That's why so few French landed. It would be quicker to get them out of there.

This was all misdirection to set up Assad and Ahmadinejad.

61 mich-again  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:11:08pm

48 Dar ul Harb

LOL! Shepherds? Heck, if you want to keep the herd of sheep in check, bearded collies and border collies are waaay better than any shepherds, German or otherwise.

But they can't have my beardie. He's too busy eating the roll of toilet paper right about now.

62 oozel  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:11:12pm

Robert Spencer is being interviewed on Cspan now.

63 Stormy70  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:11:12pm

there, their and they're. They are the true bane of my existence. Sorry about the error.

64 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:11:13pm

Paging Kilroy, paging Inspector Kilroy, please report to the docks

Arab League meets over Lebanon aid
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Several Arab countries, notably the oil-rich Gulf monarchies, have already announced aid packages to help Lebanon rebuild its shattered infrastructure, but this meeting is due to form a common reconstruction strategy for the first time, he said.

/someone on Israeli's side needs to be checking all of the shipments

65 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:11:52pm

#55 ploome hineni 8/20/2006 08:09PM PDT


1 Amalie 8/20/2006 07:48PM PDT
They're backing out? When did they pull in?

why you talk so dirty?

Who me? Okay..

They're backing out? When did they parallel park?

/better?

66 Tim V  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:12:13pm

oops, looks like #39 beat me to the punch

67 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:12:14pm

Amalie,

I'm still in this weekend-long haze. I didn't mean to say "not today." If you want to drop me a line, it's OK.

I think I'll be going to bed earlier than usual tonight.

68 Bobblehead  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:12:20pm

God I love Australians!(especially Hugh Jackman)

69 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:12:56pm

58 MSMediaCritic 8/20/2006 08:10PM PDT


That explains that beeping noise I've been hearing -- Europe's backing up.

They are socialists. They went on strike before they even showed up for work..;.

70 PDM  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:13:22pm
Their reservations postponed any action on the force at least until Wednesday, when the European Union will take up the issue of finding its balls.
71 Salem  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:13:24pm

Quackmire

Good 1!

So how was the movie?

72 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:13:45pm
73 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:13:52pm

Victor Hugo

Just take care of yourself. Things will get better.

74 SpartanWoman  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:14:36pm
#70 PDM 8/20/2006 08:13PM PDT

Their reservations postponed any action on the force at least until Wednesday, when the European Union will take up the issue of finding its balls.

I belive they put them in a blind trust administered by teheran

75 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:15:39pm
76 MSMediaCritic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:16:24pm

Amalie,

The problems really started when they found out that Israel and the Hezbos were using real guns with real bullets.

77 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:17:16pm

71 Salem

I haven't seen it yet. I want to go to an inner city theatre. ScreamaroundSound..

:D

78 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:17:47pm

Why doesn't Iran volunteer for the UNIFIL?
It would cut out the middleman.

(Hey don't laugh
...remember the illustrious "human rights commission"?)

79 hithere  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:18:04pm

The UN's cease-firemobile has 1 forward gear, 6 reverse gears, 3 neutrals, 4 brake pedals, an automatic choke, a backseat that can hold 20, and no driver's seat, (removed by the French).

80 Salem  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:18:13pm

BG: Just in case you missed it in the dead thread:

"I'm sick of these m'f'ing tribbles on the m'f'ing STARSHIP!"

I just hadda...

81 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:18:16pm

70 PDM 8/20/2006 08:13PM PDT

T

heir reservations postponed any action on the force at least until Wednesday, when the European Union will take up the issue of finding its balls.

Lost cause, that one...

Hi PDM!

82 Murqtaad  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:18:41pm

Hugh Jackman still sounds like a porn name.

83 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:19:30pm

75 ploome hineni 8/20/2006 08:15PM PDT

65 Amalie 8/20/2006 08:11PM PDT

parallel park?

new type of birth control?

LOL

84 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:19:30pm

Amalie, got it, thanks.

85 MSMediaCritic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:20:22pm

I really think moving the UN to Europe would solve a lot of problems. They could share a building with a brothel -- but I guess that would make it a field operation.

86 Bobblehead  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:20:53pm

#58 MSMediaCritic

Ha ha.. I love that

Beep, beep, beep..until they all back themselves right into the Atlantic Ocean.

87 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:21:10pm

Amalie,

The problems really started when they found out that Israel and the Hezbos were using real guns with real bullets.

If we stacked all the problems on top of one another..

How high would it go?

88 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:21:12pm

#58 MSMediaCritic:

It's the French tanks in high gear.

89 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:21:29pm

OT

Watched "Exodus Decoded" on the History Channel. I highly recommend it. It will be on at Midnight EDT and then again on Thursday 8pm EDT and Saturday 5pm EDT.

90 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:23:04pm

#60 antisocial_ist 8/20/2006 08:10PM PDT

Isreal will hold the truce until Aug. 23. Then all bets are off.

That's why so few French landed

French Snakes On A Plane?

91 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:23:10pm

#43 asks:

Does the UN ever admit failure?

Admit it?

They embody it!

92 EE  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:23:28pm

France played the role of the deceiver.
First they pretended that they wanted to lead an international force, and they pledged thousands of fighting troops.
Then they insisted that the UN resolution would actually be 2 UN resolutions: one satisfying what they wanted, a cease fire as soon as possible, and the second one to give the US what we wanted: no return to the status quo ante. This division of UN resolutions allowed them to play the role of the deceiver better, because they knew that there would not be a second UN resolution that gave the US what we wanted.

Since they promised to lead an international force with thousands of troops, the US negotiated with France over the terms of the first UN resolution. It was to be a robust force, armed, to carry out the will of the international community (1559 was the will of the international community), disarming Hizballah, and being able to fight.

Then the Arab states didn't like that, and wanted an immediate cease fire, to create a vacuum, which Hizballah would fill. And France acted as an advocate for the Arab states, reneging on the first agreement for a UN resolution. Now it became an international force without the robust mandate. But since France promised to lead that force, with thousands of troops, the US gave in to France's demands.

Charles Krauthammer pointed out that the French position was hypocritical. They were demanding rules of engagement that were so weak that the French would not want to take part. And Jennifer Griffin also pointed this out to viewers on Fox, that the French were demanding conditions that would make it impossible for the French to actually serve.

This was a transparent bid by France to appear as the champion of the Arab states.

Yet, because the French promised to lead the multinational force, with thousands of troops, the US gave in to the French demands. We believed them.

Then the French reneged completely, and decided that they wouldn't send thousands of troops, just a token force of a couple of hundred, and they would be engineers, not armed troops. The reason was that the rules of engagement, which they had insisted on weakening, were so weak that forces would not even be able to defend themselves adequately.

France snookered us. We made the mistake of believing the government of France.

The cease fire is a sham. It was intended just to provide a power vaccuum that Hizballah could fill, so that Hizballah could rearm and reinforce and regroup to better positions, and restore its war machine to what it was before Israel took a bite out of it. It was a means of returning to the status quo ante, exactly what the US did not want to happen.

Why do we believe anything that the government of France promises us, when their goal is to supplant US influence and be the leader of Eurabia?

93 MSMediaCritic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:23:40pm

OT

The Fwench just bought 10000 septic tanks.

As soon as they can figure out how to drive them, they'll contribute to the UN force.

94 leftout  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:23:57pm

Europeans want to be known as the enlightened civilization that helps lead the world to a new era in which there will no more war. They believe they can negotiate and resolve conflict without violence in all situations all the time.

Anyone who thinks military solutions will become obsolete in the near future will be dead or subjugated by a foreign power in the near future.

95 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:24:46pm
#76 MSMediaCritic 8/20/2006 08:16PM PDT
Amalie,

The problems really started when they found out that Israel and the Hezbos were using real guns with real bullets.

But they train with toys.

96 Salem  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:24:58pm

Europe should be mortified with humiliation, but they seem to have developed a tolerance for it. When they see what Israel does to Hezbollah, maybe they'll beg them to fix their own muslim problem. After all, they may not be so hot to be dhimmis if it means that they'll share the Hezboys fate at some point in the future.

97 ferris  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:25:33pm

So the Europeans are getting the idea that Israel lives in a tough neighborhood. Now maybe they will understand who the good guys are and who the bad guys are and why Israel has to be supported.

(Hey, don't laugh. In some alternate universie this could happen.)

98 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:25:41pm

Damn, Charles, why do I have to do the sound effects?!

[Link: freesound.iua.upf.edu...]

99 jmchez  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:26:55pm

Maybe some smarter folks than me can answer some questions.

- Is the UN more of a hindrance to a lasting peace than a help?

- If the UN had existed in 1938, would it have advocated compromising with Nazi Germany or the Japanese? You know, "for the sake of peace".

- Would the UN have labeled Lincoln a war criminal for not acceding to the international community's wish to stop the American Civil War?

- Is it a coincidence that strange "limited conflicts" with no real winners and no desire of the Western powers to fight to a victory suddenly appeared after the United Nations came into being in San Francisco?

- Has the Israeli Arab conflict lasted more than 50 years because no one (hopefully Israel) is allowed to beat the other decisively and drive their governments out?

- Is the Iraq war being so difficult (relatively speaking) because every President since Jimmy Carter has refused to declare war on Iran no matter how great the causus belli (i.e., embassy invasions, 233 blown up marines, arming terrorists)?

Just thinking out loud.

100 Barbara Skolaut  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:28:01pm

#8: Doesn't matter what Phrance does or doesn't want - we're already in another world war.

And, as usual, they've surrendered in record time.

101 jimmytheclaw  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:29:02pm

this is new heres a real news story that i'm suprised that it isnt page one

102 chazmo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:29:41pm

And just think the EU (ewe) and the French, was the backbone of John Kerry's famous " I have a plan"

103 Da_Beerfreak  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:29:56pm
#93 MSMediaCritic 8/20/2006 08:23PM PDT
OT

The Fwench just bought 10000 septic tanks.

As soon as they can figure out how to drive them, they'll contribute to the UN force.

I heard they got a really good deal on account of the fact that they were used ones.

104 Luigi  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:29:58pm

It's like some kind of a bad joke to say Israel could not defeat Hezbollah in a war. If Hezbollah were arrayed in a field like a regular army Israel would run through them like a hot knife through butter, as they did the regular Arab armies in past wars.

But fighting a guerrila insurgency takes time. It is the difference between the US running through Saddam's regulars, and then getting quagmired in the streets -- and for the same reason as the Israelis. We, and they, do not have the stomach to do what is necessary for this sort of warfare.

Quite frankly, the atomic bomb was dropped on Japan to avoid the sort of war we're fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Israel in Lebanon. We did not want to lose a hundred thousand men going door to door in Japan weeding out fanatic adherents of the emperor god. The whole scenario was there -- kamikazi suicide bombers, crazed warriors who welcomed death for their god, and a populace that would support them.

The more modern solution to the current situation is B52s and carpet bombing. Rolling Thunder, as they said in Vietnam. That worked, and it is the only thing that would work in Lebanon. But it would work.

It is, of course, a very good thing that the world has lost its stomach for wholesale violence. Or at least it would be if it were true. But when snipers pick off 20 Shiites in a religious procession in iraq, and that represents a particularly slow day, we see the world has not lost its stomach for violence. It is only us Western victims who have lost our stomachs for it, even in self defense.

Even now, violence is a substitute for cohesion in the West. If the West stood and spoke with one voice against the facist enemy, the situation, even now, would be self correcting. Unfortunately, we have lost our stomach even for straight talk.

105 MSMediaCritic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:30:02pm

IIRC, the French built an aircraft carrier not too long ago. It was four feet too short for landing planes and the props fell off during its first sea trials. Don't know what happened to it since then...

106 SpartanWoman  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:30:06pm

I was going to go see the Snakes film..rather snakes than islamofascists on any plane, thank you...but wanted to feel even more depressed about the state of the world, so I watched "Seven Beauties" instead.

107 Bobblehead  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:30:08pm

#82 Murqtaad

Hmm...I never thought of that. Maybe that's why I like him so much...Hmm

108 big L  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:30:53pm

It was never that clear what the troops were suppose to do in lebanon, if they weren't going to dis-arm Hezb. Good luck with that mission as it would be a shooting one.

Also looks like France can't let go of the idea that it is not a colonial power. it is just another country, like a lot of countries in the world. No colonies, no power,no clout. Its ok, france. We can buy that postition. Move-on.

You couldn't muster enough troops and Helicopters to put down the Muslim "youts" riots of last summer. You make great helicopters, buy some for your military. Spend some GDP on the military.

109 PDM  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:30:54pm

#74 SpartanWoman,

I should have placed my bets on how quickly this "ceasefire" would fall apart!

#81 Amalie,

Hi Amalie! :)

I'm sure Kofi can give the EU the 'Hezballa's really not so bad once you get to know them' pep talk.

110 Barbara Skolaut  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:31:05pm

#34 - Phrance already made that decision.

Around 1920.

111 SpartanWoman  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:31:13pm
#102 chazmo 8/20/2006 08:29PM PDT
And just think the EU (ewe) and the French, was the backbone of John Kerry's famous " I have a plan"


Putting france and backbone in the same sentence...good one

112 Max DarkSide  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:31:13pm

They were obviously concerned as to lack of clarity about the style of expresso and the brand of cigarette allotments they were to receive when sipping and puffing with Hezballah.

113 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:31:20pm

#100 Barbara Skolaut:

Pretty soon, they'll surrender before the fighting even starts, and Einstein's theory of relativity will be disproven: you can go back in time!

114 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:31:43pm

#102 chazmo
Kewwy would have wallied the twoops; it's the evil Boosh they won't support.

/not enough ketchup in your diet (brain-food)

115 6patrick6  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:31:54pm

Kinda OT:

This is a NATO joke, but you'll get it if you understand Europeans...

Heaven is where the British are the cops. the Fwench are the cooks, the Germans are the mechanics, the Italians are the lovers, and the Americans are the leaders...

Hell is where the British are the cooks, the Germans are the cops, the Fwench are the leaders, the Americans are the lovers, and the Italians are the mechanics!

116 realwest  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:32:00pm

It seems to me that Israel has scored a major coup.
They have had some time to rearm, re-equip and rest their forces. They knew (as do all out here, I believe) that not only was France spineless and although it talked a good game, when the time for the kickoff arrived, they'd still be sitting in the locker room.
And Israel knew or at least had good reason to believe that the Euroweenies would never committ troops without rules of engagement that would call for the UN troops to defend themselves against and in fact, disarm Hezbollah.
And Israel knew the UN was (again, as do all out here I believe)powerless to implement a ceasefire without European troops being committed in significant quantities and without the resolution calling for the disarmament of Hezbollah, which of course Hezbollah would never accept. And Israel has done what it could to keep Hezbollah from being significantly resupplied by Iran and/or Syria.
Now if Israel only had a LEADER to take advantage of this situation and ruthlessly destroy Hezbollah.
And if the French or other Euroweenies or the UN should complain, all Israel has to do is point the finger and say "where's those troops you promised to enforce the ceasefire" and Europe and the UN will be left sputtering and stammering, with no real answers.

117 gunjam  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:32:26pm

Am i missing something -- or do ALL the preceding posts fail to mention the chief architect of this worthless "truce," the grossly underqualified (albeit charming) US SECSTATE, Condi "Nevilla Chamberlain" Rice -- and her boss, the President?

I remember Ms. Rice crowing about the "robust" mission that this UN-backed military force would have -- you know, looking the other way while Hezbollah rearms...

Well, at least Ms. Rice was partially right in the use of the word "robust." The second syllable of that word describes the current cease-fire to a "T."

Folks, we need some gutsy, insightful, and courageous leadership -- in the White House, in Congress, in the courts, in the Pentagon, and in the State Department -- and I am not seeing much of it. -- gunjam

118 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:33:00pm

#102 chazmo:

I think you mean "eeewww".

119 leftout  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:34:09pm

#92

This was a transparent bid by France to appear as the champion of the Arab states.


Is this strategy really working for them?
I remember as a kid the suck up on the playground who would give his lunch money to the school bully so he wouldn't get beat up.
Contrast that with the guy who stood toe to toe and traded knuckle sandwiches with the bully.
He kept his lunch money and pride while the bully went back to the easier target --the suck up.
Nation states are nothing more than a collection of kids on the playground.

120 SpartanWoman  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:35:11pm

#118 victor_yugo

Actually I liked the female sheep "ewe" usage...what, by the way is the term for a neutered ram?

121 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:35:26pm

OT,

The Dissident Frogman has a war photo you won't see anywhere else.

122 rayra[deleted]  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:36:19pm
123 Bobblehead  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:36:30pm

#101 jimmytheclaw

That was thrown out to the lizards 2 times yesterday.(once by me)

No one took the bait, in spite of the fact that we needed a little "levity" yesterday.

124 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:38:31pm

PARIS, Aug. 20 — The shaky, United Nations-brokered cease-fire in Lebanon suffered another blow on Sunday when the European countries that had been called upon to provide the backbone of a peacekeeping force delayed a decision on committing troops until the mission is more clearly defined.

Ok... time to refuel the tanks... the UN is worthless and confused. Israel is not.

125 Da_Beerfreak  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:38:43pm
#115 6patrick6 8/20/2006 08:31PM PDT

Hey! I liked my Fiat.

126 realwest  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:39:00pm

#105 MSMediaCritic - IIRC you're talkling about the (as it happens) aptly name Charles de Gaulle. They fixed the problem with the propellers dropping off, but it's still too short for modern aircraft to land on. It's still on active duty in the French Navy!

127 rayra[deleted]  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:39:23pm
128 6patrick6  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:39:50pm

The Fwench collapsed like a bad souffle...

The Belgians waffled.

The Italians wilted like overcooked linguini.

129 So?  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:40:35pm

Everyone is ranting about Chirac, Olmert & outher Euro-loonies, but it was Condi who was running around the mid-east brokering this deal. What 3 visits...

The US , Britain & Australia to name a few ( a very few) knew this was a bull-shit cease-fire deal. Why did they bow to Koffi The Crook? Why did they bow to France?

Are people in the state dept so stupid as to have believed this was going to work? Guess so.

Oh big surprise, nobody wants to contribute human shields, I mean troops.

Bush keeps harping on his War on Terror. Why did he cave on this one? What was needed was leadership and a firm hand against all Nazi Jihadis. A new era? Yeah right.

130 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:41:03pm

#117 gunjam:

Forget it, we're rolling.

/Animal House

131 summerfun  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:41:32pm

I heard everyone in France gets a white flag at birth.

132 Luigi  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:41:42pm

New Saddam Hussein trial to begin [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

By the way, I have believed for quite some time it is no accident that we have kept Saddam alive for this long. And I think that reason is he represents a counterweight against civil war. All sides have to worry that if a breakdown occurs and he gets loose he will rise again and wipe out everyone seen carrying a gun since the war, except Baathists.

Saddam may be our ultimate insurance policy. If the Americans have Saddam, they hold a trump card.

133 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:41:58pm

127 rayra

I'm with you. This also gives Israel time. The MSM neglects to tell people that Hez'bollah is the Western arm of the Iranian Guard.

134 6patrick6  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:42:01pm

#125 da_beerfreak

I worked in a FIAT dealership in the late '70s. The only FIAT (all caps is proper) I'd own would be a little 500. The rest of them, no way.

135 gymnast  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:42:21pm

#117, gunjam. Genghis Khan in neither eligible, nor, if he were, available to run for the office of the Presidency of the US.

136 iltridente  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:42:49pm

Ok, enough messing around. Has Israel gone back in yet? If not, just what the hell are they waiting for, the ref to blow the whistle, or what?

137 MSMediaCritic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:43:00pm

Hey folks,

Here's the info on the French Aircraft Carrier. It's even more pathetic than I remembered (believe it or not).

[Link: www.answers.com...]

On the bright side, it was only five years late.

138 ELECTRIC PIMP  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:43:56pm

'Haunted by their experiences in Bosnia in the 1990’s, when their forces were unable to stop widespread ethnic killing, European governments'
This paragraph should start with 'Reminded by their complete and utter uselessness ANYWHERE...

139 Carridine  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:44:00pm

#120- Spartan Woman: neutered ram?

Frenchman?

140 Luigi  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:44:01pm

135 gymnast

Genghis Khan in neither eligible, nor, if he were, available to run for the office of the Presidency of the US.


American are not ready for a Muslim president.

141 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:44:47pm

#138 ELECTRIC PIMP 8/20/2006 08:43PM PDT


'Haunted by their experiences in Bosnia in the 1990’s, when their forces were unable to stop widespread ethnic killing, European governments'
This paragraph should start with 'Reminded by their complete and utter uselessness ANYWHERE...

Touche'

142 SaneInMN  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:44:50pm

117 gunjam

Condi only delivered what Olmert and pals ordered up.

143 jimmytheclaw  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:45:22pm

#123 Bobblehead 8/20/2006 08:36PM PDT

#101 jimmytheclaw

That was thrown out to the lizards 2 times yesterday.(once by me)

No one took the bait, in spite of the fact that we needed a little "levity" yesterday.

yesterday i was getting drunk and pigging out with a friend who had 2 nephews return from fort benning i just seen it tonight.

144 chazmo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:45:29pm

Iran must be thinking...silly infidels

145 gtiness  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:45:31pm

...and by refusing to lay out a plan with real, concrete goals intended to secure peace and stability...

...by refusing to participate in the force intended to carry out those actions, to achieve those goals...

France has committed an act tantamount to "breach of the peace". Virtually assuring the region of future conflict.

They should be help accountable. Maybe we should float a resolution in the UN condemning France. :)

146 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:45:33pm

I think it's great... Kofi can't get anyone to commit for his Peacekeeping troops..

What does that tell you?

147 Da_Beerfreak  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:46:25pm
#134 6patrick6 8/20/2006 08:42PM PDT
#125 da_beerfreak

I worked in a FIAT dealership in the late '70s. The only FIAT (all caps is proper) I'd own would be a little 500. The rest of them, no way.

I had a 1976 X 1/9, Got 8 great years out of it before it rusted out.

148 Carridine  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:46:28pm

SpartanWoman: Babydolls?

149 gymnast  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:46:56pm

#140, Luigi. He didn't start out that way.

150 6patrick6  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:47:07pm

It means that UN "peacekeepers" are as impotent as it gets.

151 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:47:36pm

Amalie:

Check your email.

#120 Spartan Woman:

what, by the way is the term for a neutered ram?

I think it's "Parisian".

152 So?  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:48:06pm

#146 Amalie 8/20/2006 08:45PM PDT

It tells me rockets will soon fly again and more Jews will die.

153 The Monster  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:48:43pm

102 chazmo

And just think the EU (ewe) and the French, was the backbone of John Kerry's famous " I have a plan"

The only theory I had for Bush and Rice to go along with this resolution was to demonstrate that John François Kerry's repeated insistence that we have to do everything in consultation with our Continental Partners is a load of crap. In that vein, I'd say it's been a smashing success.

154 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:48:45pm

152 So?

Are you from Israel?

155 realwest  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:48:50pm

#109 PDM - "I'm sure Kofi can give the EU the 'Hezballa's really not so bad once you get to know them' pep talk." Yeah, but this time the EU's not falling for it. What kind of spin could Koffi ever put on a situation where UN Peacekeepers are not allowed to engage Hezbollah on it's turf (forget the Lebanese government and Army, they're more of a joke than the French Government and Army), nor will Hezbollah allow itself to be peacefully disarmed.
The EU looked into a mirror and, in spite of their collective anti-semitism, or perhaps because of it, they saw Koffi and the UN as the reflection.

156 Luigi  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:49:00pm

149 gymnast

Yeah, I think I'm misinformed about that.

157 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:49:06pm

117 gunjam

Perhaps as you opine, but I'd like to think the Bush Administration is exposing the UN for what it is, a toothless dog. Pretty soon, one would hope, the President would say to the multilateralists, "OK, we've tried it your way. Now, off the stage, f**kers, and let nature take its course."

158 SpartanWoman  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:49:26pm

#151 victor_yugo

Thank would make sense (actually I looked it up and the term for these rams is "wethers")

159 Salem  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:50:27pm

I remember when Chirac stated that he would nuke any terrorist who attacked France. Around the same time the carbeque was ramping up, making it immedietly clear that Le Worm has a poor grasp of combat strategery. And as the stage was being set for iraq, France lead the way in obstructing the US from following what was laid out in the UN's own resolution, presumably allowing Saddam plenty of time to ship off the worst of his WMD to Syria, where it's, again presumably, waiting to be used on us in the forseeable future.

Why is our State Dept. incapable of considering even a few such examples among France's vast record of treachery when, for example, considering signing onto with them on cease-fires? Have they not absorbed the implications? France is as good as an enemy, Condi dear.

Ah, what's the use?...

160 So?  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:50:29pm

Not UN Peacekeepers, rather UN Peacepeepers

as all they do or have done is "peep"

161 SpartanWoman  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:50:37pm

makes the french wethermen

162 SaneInMN  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:51:06pm

For all of you who believe that Israel is "arming up to go get some", check out this site, [Link: www.yonitheblogger.com...]

Israel is in a state of confusion at the moment. Military commanders are resigning, a committee is being organized to review the entire Lebanon debacle, troop moral is low, and Olmert probably will be out of job by Halloween. I love Israel, I support Israel, but Israel BLEW IT!

163 6patrick6  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:51:16pm

da_beerfreak --- One of my best friends in high school was killed the day before his first day of college when a Plymouth Fury went over into his lane and used his '75 X1/9 as a ramp. That car came to the dealership about four weeks later to have the engine, transaxle, and the rear clip used in other cars. All met with ttagic ends not long after they left the service bays. I have really bad feelings about X1/9s...sorry! Like "Christine", except "Christina"!

164 republic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:51:23pm

#117 gunjam

Folks, we need some gutsy, insightful, and courageous leadership -- in the White House, in Congress, in the courts, in the Pentagon, and in the State Department -- and I am not seeing much of it. -- gunjam

PC has damaged our abiltiy to prosecute wars the only way that wars should ever be prosecuted!

To win!

I don't know if it was ever the PC creators intentions to completely destroy the world, as their intentions may have had some good rings to them, but PC has allowed everyone but the USA, Israel, and what is left of the West, the ability to wage illegal, immoral, and unjust war against the free world, while hamstringing the free world, and demanding that the free world bow down to some kind of "one world order", which the U.N., if it is not dismantled, will reign over, one day.

PC, and leftism, are the two key factors of what is wrong in this world right now, and if the world could get those two key things removed, then serious action could, and would be taken, for the better.

For the much better, in fact.

165 Stuck in california  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:52:59pm

#120 SpartanWomen

Meat?

166 shimra  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:53:18pm

At least Olmert is finally showing some balls. The last time we saw him acting decisively was when he had the IDF soldiers kicking the crap out of settlers in Amona.

Not surprised about the Euros. They wouldn't want to break one of their press-on nails. Or wrinkle their Prada suits.

167 Catttt  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:54:07pm

162 SaneInMN

OK, but they'll get it together. This is called a "wake up call."

Israel - you will get it together. Hear?

168 So?  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:54:21pm

#154 Amalie 8/20/2006 08:48PM PDT

No, but I have lots of family in the areas hit as well as in Tel Aviv.

...and I don't want to get any bad news.

169 mattm  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 6:59:03pm
Some countries, like Australia, which has placed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, have flatly refused to commit troops. “We have no intention of making any significant contribution,” said a senior Australian government official, who was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter. “We don’t have any confidence in it. It is not going to have the mandate to disarm Hezbollah.

Bravo to the Aussies.

170 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:00:20pm

#166 shimra:

Not surprised about the Euros. They wouldn't want to break one of their press-on nails. Or wrinkle their Prada suits.

Prada? I doubt it.

171 realwest  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:00:34pm

#117 gunjam and
##159 Salem and
#129 So? Please see my comment #116 as well as Rayra's more succinct #127.

And with that boys and girls I'm off to sleep, long day tomorrow which is Dinnerjacket's August 22, around 9:30 Am EDT tomorrow for us.

I hope to see y'all tomorrow.

Good night, everyone.

172 InklingBooks  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:01:18pm

Given how the French have betrayed the Lebanese, the Israelis and their beloved UN, it’s time for more modern version of the French national anthem. To get the full dramatic effect, read the words below as you listen to the melody played by the USMC band at:

Note that these words follow the traditional melody rather USMC’s adaptation, so repeat the first 58 seconds of the mp3 for each verse.

***

A  Modern Adaptation of  La Marseillaise

Flee, Children of the Chickenland
Your Day of Shame has began
With us runs the cowardly.
"The flag of white is raised!"
"The flag of white is raised!"

Do you hear on the winds,
The howls of the terror?
They slink into our frightened land,
To kill the little children.

To flight, O feeble land!
Cry out, as cowards can,
"Let's flee! Let's flee!"
That a child's dying blood,
We may see.

***

Great rulers of our Chickenland
Cover and hide our frightened band.
Cowardice, fright-filled cowardice.
"Flee the terrorist fight!"
"Flee and run and hide in fright"

Raise our white flag, so defeats,
Will join with our fear,
So poor and dying children,
May shame and pained death know.

To flight, O feeble land!
Cry out, as cowards can,
"Let's flee! Let's flee!"
That a child's dying blood,
We may see.

—Author Anonymous, Released into the Public Domain, August 2006

***
The words would go well with a video that runs like this:

___
The scene opens with a dilapidated chicken coup and chickens darting about. Then the camera zooms in on a faded calendar that says, (in French) "The Glory of the Fatherland" together with a date, May 1940--when Germany quickly overran France.

The camera shifts to a group of ill-clothed, out-of-shape solders, their uniforms misbuttoned, their shoes laces untied, getting into the rough semblance of a formation. A rather conceited, over-dressed, medal-ladden officer who might resemble DeGaulle or Chiraq, waves a baton and they began singing the music below, off key and with exaggerated facial gestures. Given how bombastic the music for La Marseillaise already is, it should be quite funny.

As they sing, the camera shifts from time to time to a white flag being raised with great pomp and to chickens darting about the packed and dusty earth. At the end, the camera returns to the calendar with the date May 1940.
___

173 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:01:22pm

168 So?

I can't give you reassurance that you need. I can say this. You must go back and remember what occurred before we invaded Iraq. Use it as a lesson in how our diplomacy works.

We went to the UN and we asked for the UN to honor their Resolution in the matter of Saddam and the WMD's. We went through the motions but in the end we did what we wanted to do.

I have a feeling the same applies in this instance too. I also feel that Israel came up against Iran via Hez'bollah. This was no militia or resistance group. Israel was not defeated. This is not over by a long shot.

We are acting out the charade of the UN Resolution for now. Nas'rallah will be dead, most likely in the near future.

174 6patrick6  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:01:35pm

I truly think Israel will come out in the end of this, smelling like a rose. That, despite current world "outrage" and such.

One of two things will happen in the next few days, IMO:

One, Olmert grows some big, hairy balls and commits to total victory over Hezbollah, and driving on to Damascus in the process, scaring the crap out of Amanutjob while he plays with his toys in Iran.

Or, two: Olmert gets replaced in the next couple of days by someone who will do as I described above.

Point is, it's gonna happen quickly, and the UN/Hezbos/Syriranians won't know what hit them.

175 Da_Beerfreak  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:01:39pm
#163 6patrick6 8/20/2006 08:51PM PDT
da_beerfreak --- One of my best friends in high school was killed the day before his first day of college when a Plymouth Fury went over into his lane and used his '75 X1/9 as a ramp. That car came to the dealership about four weeks later to have the engine, transaxle, and the rear clip used in other cars. All met with ttagic ends not long after they left the service bays. I have really bad feelings about X1/9s...sorry! Like "Christine", except "Christina"!

No need to apologize, I have heard stories of other folks meeting their untimely end in a X1/9. That car offered no protection to the occupants, one screw-up and you were history. The worst thing mine ever did was eat fan belts.

176 imploder  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:01:48pm

If you lie with the snakes, which our State Department did, you end up getting bit.

Dammit, it is common sense, but we are so naive, we get fucked everytime.

And they laugh.

177 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:02:14pm

#131 summerfun
And it to is FOS.

#128 6patrick6
wilted spinach (florentine

178 T. Jefferson  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:02:45pm

Norway to send naval vessels to Middle East

The Norwegian government has decided to offer to send four Norwegian missile torpedo boats with crews totaling 100 men to the new UN force in Lebanon, according to reports from Oslo on Sunday.

The MTBs will be used in patrolling Lebanese waters to prevent smuggling of weapons, Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) reported. ...

[Link: english.people.com.cn...]

179 PDM  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:03:17pm

#155 realwest,

What kind of spin could Koffi ever put on a situation where UN Peacekeepers are not allowed to engage Hezbollah on it's turf

Maybe he can show them how important it is to save Lebanon from the Imperialist Zionist aggressor.
/

180 Right Side  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:03:28pm

Roosevelt and Truman couldn't have foreseen all the things that would go wrong with the U.N. But they should have foreseen what would go wrong by giving France a permanent seat (which means veto power) on the Security Council.

France didn't deserve to be treated as an equal of the U.S., Russia, China and Britain. And they still don't.

181 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:03:36pm

pimf
it too

182 Bobblehead  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:03:40pm

#117 gunjam

I'm still giving GWB the benefit of the doubt on that. As I stated earlier I think he knew this resolution would collapse, thereby giving Israel a little time to get their act together(and maybe, just maybe a change in leadership).

This is not original thinking on my part. Usually my gloom and doom mentality gets the better of me but in this instance I let myself be swayed by the arguments of commenters such as Capt. Ed and Jeff Goldstein.

Its's a waiting game right now and as a previous poster said W is a good poker player.

Anyway, I can't bring myself to pile on W right now. Too much bad stuff happening. I think he needs our support at this perilous time.

183 6patrick6  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:03:54pm

Norway has some cool stuff!

184 imploder  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:04:45pm
The MTBs will be used in patrolling Lebanese waters to prevent smuggling of weapons, Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) reported. ...

Yeah, I'm holding my breath for the Norweian Navy to actually challenge a launch filled with insane muslims and about a ton of high-explosives.

185 cbinflux  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:06:09pm

#178 t. jeff
Winter port?

But seriously, given the RoP troubles they've had, it's brave indeed.

/have you driven a Fjord lately?

186 Zack  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:06:24pm
Europe Backs Out of Lebanon Cease-Fire

Okay, everybody back off from hizboland. The USAF's gonna flyover & sanitize the area.

/wet dream fantasy

187 Right Side  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:06:38pm

#45 Stormy70:

Now Israel can resupply,


So can Hezbollah.

188 InklingBooks  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:06:57pm

Historical Note

The French were none too kind to the Claude-Joseph Rouget de Lisle who wrote the original version of La Marseilaise. They almost chopped off his head for refusing to take an oath of allegance to the French Revolution. Filled with a zeal for political correctness, throughout their history they have alternately banned or compelled its singing.

Here is a translation of the original version, one that must be a bit embarassing for the present-day French.

La Marseilaise (obsolete version)

Let us go, children of the fatherland 
Our day of Glory has arrived. 
Against us stands tyranny, 
The bloody flag is raised, 
The bloody flag is raised. 

Do you hear in the countryside 
The roar of these savage soldiers 
They come right into our arms 
To cut the throats of your sons, your country. 

To arms, citizens! 
Form up your battalions 
Let us march, Let us march! 
That their impure blood 
Should water our fields 

Sacred love of the fatherland 
Guide and support our vengeful arms. 
Liberty, beloved liberty, 
Fight with your defenders; 
Fight with your defenders. 

Under our flags, so that victory 
Will rush to your manly strains; 
That your dying enemies 
Should see your triumph and glory 

To arms, citizens! 
Form up your battalions 
Let us march, Let us march! 
That their impure blood 
Should water our fields 

189 So?  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:06:59pm

#173 Amalie 8/20/2006 09:01PM PDT

You must go back and remember what occurred before we invaded Iraq. Use it as a lesson in how our diplomacy works.

We went to the UN and we asked for the UN to honor their Resolution in the matter of Saddam and the WMD's. We went through the motions but in the end we did what we wanted to do.

---

Yes Amalie, but there's one BIG DIFFERENCE: thousands of rockets weren't raining down on the US while they putzed around in the UN.

---

Big difference!

190 Carridine  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:07:29pm

#104 - Luigi: THIS addresses exactly that issue!

191 6patrick6  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:08:05pm

Well, time for bed! I want to be fresh for the "fireworks"!

Amanutjob hasn't got the balls; but hell, just in case he DOES, 21 Aug, Noon US Central Time is when to start the clock.

With that happy note.../sarc!

Good Night! /NOT sarc

192 chazmo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:08:08pm

ummm... aint the arms comming via land...trucked thru Syria.
You Go Norway !

193 Stuck in california  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:08:20pm

Koffee will be gone in Dec. Can the world wait that long?

194 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:08:23pm

189 So?

There are no rockets raining down at the moment.

196 republic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:08:59pm

#180 Right Side

France didn't deserve to be treated as an equal of the U.S., Russia, China and Britain. And they still don't.

Imo, neither Russia nor China deserve a permanent seat.

The USA contributes 25% to the total U.N. budget, while China contributes not quite 2%, and Russia contributes 1.5%.

That is unreal, and imo, not worthy of a permanent seast!

3-1/2% combined, by Russia and China?

Unreal!

197 imploder  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:09:12pm

I have the answer:

Convert all Muslims in the Middle East to Christianity. That's right, have them asking, "What would Jesus do?"

Sure, the conversion would be difficult, because their penchant for their Devil God is high... deflecting a muslim is hard. I suggest starting with a beer.

So, using twisted logic, the Muslims really want to stamp out the beer industry in America. Hey, didn't that already happen once?

Stand guard.

198 autumnleaves  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:11:06pm

so? we're in the same boat my family and friends are from north to Jerusalem, i myself almost moved to tzvas 5 years ago.

Olmert hasn't had any balls towards anything except throwing jews off their land and creating more chaos with hamas. speaking of which any news {ot} of the 2 Fox guys?

199 republic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:12:39pm

#193 Stuck in CA

Koffee will be gone in Dec. Can the world wait that long?

That is good news, but the immediate bad news, is I'm sure the next UNSG, will be as bad, if not worse.

The U.N. needs to be dismantled, and an effective entity needs to be built, and since the USA contributes the most money by any single nation, the USA should have most of the say in how the new entity will operate.

The U.N. will only continue to be a worthless institution, and it will get even worse, if it continues on the way that it currently does, regardless of who is the SG.

200 fluffy  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:13:23pm

#48 Dar ul Harb

100 sheep crossed the Blue Line towards Israel. Such incidents can endanger very fragile and tense situation.

Were they undiapered ewes?

201 T. Jefferson  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:13:31pm

[Link: www.mil.no...]

Check out picture #2.

202 gymnast  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:13:56pm

#189,So. For someone who advocates storming Mecca, you seem to have changed your tune and want to wimper your way out of this latest middle east shoot-em-up. The rockets wil fly again, fight or die.

203 Right Side  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:14:05pm

#92 EE:

Yet, because the French promised to lead the multinational force, with thousands of troops, the US gave in to the French demands. We believed them...France snookered us. We made the mistake of believing the government of France.


Your analysis was excellent, except for this one part. By the time France proposed their dual cease-fire resolutions (knowing only the first would ever pass), the U.S. and Israel were in a bad bargaining position because Olmert had so totally screwed up the war by then. As long as there was hope that Israel could pulverize Hezbollah, that gave the U.S. leverage to hold out for a better deal. That became an untenable position after a month of Olmert's disastrous war.

Bolton isn't a dummy. He would never have trusted France to that great an extent if he hadn't run out of cards to play at that point. Olmert's screwup of the war left Bolton with a very weak hand.

204 Carridine  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:14:09pm

#182 - Bobblehead: I'm with you! There are too many aspects of world affairs, known only to a few at the highest levels, which ARE PERTINENT but cannot be referred to We, the People, and in many cases cannot even be revealed, let alone discussed publicly! (see NYTimes' treasonous campaign, et al.)

We look, we listen, we weigh, then we ELECT our Jimmah Cartuh, and suffer the consequences, or our GWBush, and trust that when we DON'T quite understand a decision/policy, he's still doing the best he can WITH OUR WELL-BEING foremost in mind!

Karridine

205 Bobblehead  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:14:20pm

#117 gunjam

I will, however,be happy to pile on the great state of Ohio's worthless senators.

In the vernacular of my mother's generation..what a couple of nincompoops!

206 Thanos  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:14:47pm
Okay.. One now has to ask oneself if the Pres. knew this would happen.

And if he did, was his thought to give Israel time to get their shit together and maybe a change in their leadership?

Maybe the president didn't, but I am feeling remarkably prescient tonight, I predicted exactly this in two of my WW III updates before the ceasefire was signed. Enough stupid self congratulation however, it could have gone another way, I got lucky in the prediction.

207 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:15:58pm

Were they undiapered ewes?

Well, depends.

208 republic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:15:59pm

#198 autumnleaves

so? we're in the same boat my family and friends are from north to Jerusalem, i myself almost moved to tzvas 5 years ago.

Olmert hasn't had any balls towards anything except throwing jews off their land and creating more chaos with hamas. speaking of which any news {ot} of the 2 Fox guys?

This should be the lesson to all, that people need to elect leaders who they NEED, rather than leaders who they "want".

Social issues drive many people to support candidates who they want, instead of candidates that they NEED.

Take care!

209 Salem  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:16:01pm

Okay, the HezBros. didn't get that much time to organize and refortify during this pause. They're spreading Iranian money around, but they've got supply-line problems and they probably thought they'd have more time, assuming the hostilities are just about to get back under way. The Lebanese forces still can't deploy and the government doesn't appear to have any authority. Olmert is about to walk the plank, according to some speculations and Israel is faced with refitting their government during renewed fighting.

Indonesia and Malysia, I'm hoping at any rate, will no longer be in the picture in Lebannon. The US shrugs and looks at it's feet awkwardly. Everyone is waiting for Israel to act. Or what? Hizbollah will tell us how capable they are to renew hostilities by how quickly they go back to sniping at Israeli cities. Israel will not hesitate to pick out the most blatant weapon smuggling, but until they are attacked again, they'll be loathe to face the media onslaught again, at least until Olmert is ousted.

Weird. Like some kind of crazy Mexican stand-off.

210 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:16:43pm

Oh my goodness. It just connected in my mind. The incompetence of the euro-weenie jackasses affected the second impeachment of US history.

The next time you hear some dumbass claim that nobody died when Clinton lied, remind them that the bombing of Bosnia started during Monica-gate. It made a convenient story to drive the evidence of his perjury off the front page. In other words...

When Clinton lied, Bosnians died!

211 Zack  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:17:17pm
Europe Backs Out of Lebanon Cease-Fire

...and Wednesday is August 22nd...

Don't walk, run... to the nearest precious metals dealer and buy every ounce of gold (silver, diamonds, whatever) you can afford.

You've been officially warned.

Z

212 Roger  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:17:17pm

Olmert must be a freakin' genius. Exposed all of the Euroweeinies in one shot for all the world to see.

213 Thanos  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:17:37pm

Charles

I'm not sure if you noted this or not, it's Truthout's latest foray into surrealism.

The bad news is that it's also running in muslim newspapers across the world.

214 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:18:42pm

Again, this makes Koffi look crap. He is unable to muster the troops the UN promised. He was begging for more funds from countries who wouldn't send troops.

The UN Titantic is sinking.

215 So?  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:20:01pm

#194 Amalie

That's because the Hezzies are too busy re-arming. These dispicable rats will use anyone, including their mothers as human shields.

No, no rockets flying yet.

But if the UN is not prepared to seriously dis-arm Hezbollah and risk losing Euro lives in order to do that (which as we see none want to do) then the whole thing is a sham and rockets will fly again...sooner than later.

And Iran's Yababadabadoodoo keeps fanning the flames. He needs to be taken out.
He's directing the show...and I don't think a lunatic should be given the amount of PR exposure he's getting—from Mike Wallace to the the August 22 apocalypse when Imam Kopafeel will come back to Earth.

(he got tired of the 72 virgins--wants a real woman)

216 M. Bensson-Levi  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:20:11pm

#48 Dar ul Harb

Yesterday, two Lebanese shepherds and approx. 100 sheep crossed the Blue Line towards Israel. Such incidents can endanger very fragile and tense situation.

This is not the joke that we in the West think that it is. This is a serious attempt to establish a legal land claim.

What we now call the Middle East was, until the end of the First World War, part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. For odd reasons not necessary to elucidate here, Turkish law is still binding in many parts of the ME.

Graze your sheep on a plot of land and it is yours to use perpetually. Plant four fruit trees on a dunam(a unit of land apprx. 1/4 acre), and it is yours...that is why every now and the one hears on the news that Israeli soldiers are going around pulling up olive trees...but it is never explained why. Makes it seem that Israelis want arabs to starve, or at least not eat olives.

The trees are uprooted because they were planted on Israeli land as an attempt to establish a legal claim to the land.

Same with the sheep...reporters are either ignorant or complicit...assholes either way.

217 republic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:21:06pm

#214 Amalie

Na, the world always has President Bush and America to blame.

/sad

218 victor_yugo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:21:44pm

#214 Amalie:

this makes Koffi look crap.

"Maxwell Smart Koffee. It's dumb, and it has bad taste, but hey, it's brown!"

/ducking

219 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:22:31pm

211 Zack

Gold? Precious metals? I had a gold ring that I was going to buy a cow with and instead I bought some magic pinto beans.

:D

220 leftout  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:22:46pm
#140 Luigi 8/20/2006 08:44PM PDT

135 gymnast

Genghis Khan in neither eligible, nor, if he were, available to run for the office of the Presidency of the US.


American are not ready for a Muslim president.


Genghis Khan wasn't Muslim. He kicked a lot of Muslim ass though.

Genghis Khan towards the later part of his life became interested in the ancient Buddhist and Tao religions.

221 Stuck in california  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:23:13pm

#205 Bobblehead

Trade you Senators (especially Boxer)...

222 autumnleaves  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:23:22pm

republic you are preaching to the choir hon,
as i stated elsewhere olmert and sharon along with a few others kicked what Israel needs out of the knesset madr it illegal to be a member of koch and won't let any of Kahane followers even have the right of return. i cried when olmert took office, until they kicked jews off thier on lands i had hopes sharon would be as strong as he was a fighter and military leader - i was very wrong.

223 Thanos  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:25:00pm

#216 Good observation, with Islamists most everything usually goes back to land.

224 piglet  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:25:05pm
The MTBs will be used in patrolling Lebanese waters to prevent smuggling of weapons, Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) reported. ...

Yeah, I'm holding my breath for the Norweian Navy to actually challenge a launch filled with insane muslims and about a ton of high-explosives.


me i want to help arm whales so they can fight back at norwegian whaling boats.

maybe friggin lasers on their heads,,,

225 Thanos  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:25:23pm

Goodnite all, see you on the morrow.

226 Right Side  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:27:20pm

#129 So?

The US , Britain & Australia to name a few ( a very few) knew this was a bull-shit cease-fire deal. Why did they bow to Koffi The Crook? Why did they bow to France?


The U.S. didn't "bow" to France for the better part of a whole month. In fact, the first attempt at a U.N. resolution, co-sponsored by the U.S., would have been more favorable to Israel. It was only when it became clear Olmert didn't have a clue how to win the war that the U.S. finally caved in.

And that's also why Olmert caved in too. He knew damn well this was a lousy deal, but he had no better alternative. As the war would have dragged on, Israel would have looked worse and worse, and Hezbollah would have looked better and better.

The entire diplomatic bargaining position of the U.S. and Israel depended on the IDF's ability to destroy Hezbollah. Once that failed, the game was over.

227 Bill K.  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:27:42pm

No European country, with good reason, wants to get caught between Hizbollah and the Israelis when this war continues.

Israel, if it doesn't want to slip into oblivion, will have to launch total unrestricted warefare not just on Hizbollah but on Lebanese. The two have become so intertwined it's almost impossible to tell them apart.

The moral preening that Israel indulged in the the war just will not cut it any longer. With an enemy as fanatical as Hizbollah all pillars of support have to be ruthlessly cut away. Every bridge, every power plant, every gas station, every road and every city will have to be destroyed. Right now some thoughtful Lebanese are having second thoughts the destruction Hizbollah has bought to them. They should be afraid, very afraid about next phase of the war.

228 republic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:27:46pm

#222 autumnleaves

republic you are preaching to the choir hon,
as i stated elsewhere olmert and sharon along with a few others kicked what Israel needs out of the knesset madr it illegal to be a member of koch and won't let any of Kahane followers even have the right of return. i cried when olmert took office, until they kicked jews off thier on lands i had hopes sharon would be as strong as he was a fighter and military leader - i was very wrong.

It's something that I feel that I can't say enough.

America is coming up again on Congressional election this November, and then again, plus for President in 2008, and I fear another vote ofr what Americans "want", instead of what America needs.

There are consequences, guarenteed for either choice, and I want my kids, and grandkids to have a decent life.

If America chooses what America "wants" instead of what she needs, my childrens future is guarenteed to be a bad one.

229 chazmo  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:27:59pm

224
hardy chuckle

230 autumnleaves  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:28:16pm

the only good boxer is the cop in this james patterson book i just read...

i think this time i will really go to bed now...

231 Roger  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:29:03pm

Instead of the French, Koffi should have asked the Huaoranis with their blow darts to lead the Lebanon peace keeping mission. Much more reliable and silently efficient.

232 So?  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:30:14pm

#202 gymnast

I was and still am for an all-out Hezbull-allah Olympic Kick Asss Fest... I never believed in this cease-fire that's all.

If the UN is so full of shit as is eloquently expressed by the majority of lgfers, why go through the motions again and again and again...

it's like Ground Hog day.

I stll say: drop billions of porno videos on the Jihadis. send them IMAX screens for optimum viewing...

...then kaboom

233 autumnleaves  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:30:36pm

you are correct way to correct republic
take care goodnight

234 Carridine  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:30:47pm

#158- Spartan Woman: thank you, Ma'am.

Wethers

as in 'Carl'?

/sarc
Oh, and I looked up a farm selling them, and they DO call them 'babydolls'... all fluffy and cute and halal...

235 Right Side  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:31:17pm

#157 solomonpanting:

Pretty soon, one would hope, the President would say to the multilateralists, "OK, we've tried it your way. Now, off the stage, f**kers, and let nature take its course."


Won't work. The Democrats have already blamed this fiasco on Bush and Bolton. Go look at their blogs. To them, it's not the U.N. or France that screwed up, it's Bush and Bolton who screwed this up.

236 republic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:33:26pm

#233 autumnleaves

Goognight autumnleaves, take care!

237 macofromoc  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:35:34pm

The Frog's Cowgirl Diplomacy

238 Bobblehead  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:36:26pm

#221 Stuck in California

Point well taken.

The Republicans in this state are sad. The only bright spot is Ken Blackwell (bless his little heart for certifying the Ohio vote in the last Presidental election). We're hoping he can pull the rug out from under his Democratic opponent in the governor's race this Nov.

Fingers crossed.

239 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:37:45pm
240 fluffy  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:37:54pm

#216 M. Bensson-Levi

This is a serious attempt to establish a legal land claim.

Thanks for the explanation.

241 Amalie  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:38:03pm

Like I care what the "world" thinks about us..

242 republic  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:38:08pm

#235 Right Side

Won't work. The Democrats have already blamed this fiasco on Bush and Bolton. Go look at their blogs. To them, it's not the U.N. or France that screwed up, it's Bush and Bolton who screwed this up.

It may work.

The GOP base is getting fired up, and the Democrats only, and I mean only plan, is to blame President Bush for every single problem, and also, to attack every good thing which the President has accomplished.

Oh, and if you think that you have seen massive tax increases in our lifetime, that is also one of their only two real plans, which they are campaigning on,

Massive tax increases, and massive social programs.

Yes, I am counting on Presdident Bush to finally say to hell with them!

243 wrathofG-d  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:39:48pm

THE UNPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!

244 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:41:39pm

Oops. Sorry for broken link. Try again:
C&F Disproportionate Response II

245 So?  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:41:55pm

#226 Right Side

The entire diplomatic bargaining position of the U.S. and Israel depended on the IDF's ability to destroy Hezbollah. Once that failed, the game was over.

---


So what will be different next time? The baby pictures will hit the front pages and TV screens, probably more doctored photos, BBC biased reporting, the demonstrations equating Israel with Nazi Germany will get fiercer...and this time the media too will find ways to cover their tracks, they are not to be trusted. Maybe Green Helmut Man is working out at a health club right now, lifting babies into the air requires muscle.

If the IDF is to succeed, they need ceaseless PR support from the US, Britain, Australia, Canada..and the few others who have any sanity left. While Israel fights, these countries need to flood the media and expose the sham of the Islam and it's cult of death. and of course, Koffi and the UN.

246 R2D2  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:43:17pm

Peretz approved bonus reward for reservists who were mobilized to Lebanon campaign. Maybe it is a sign he was to buy them (they are pretty angry) for another campaign?

/my wife will kill me

247 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:52:27pm

#235 Right Side

When the cease-fire breaks down and Hizballah either renews missle attacks and/or attempts to engage in massive resuppling, I don't think the Israelis will be too concerned with what the Dems/lefty blogs will piss and moan about. France, and by extension, the UN, has left itself open to any and all irrelavence and impotence. From now on all Israel would have to ask of the UN would be to muster a peacekeeping force in advance and with a clear mandate. That's a big 0 for 2.

248 elandadem  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:54:20pm

Allow me to help, I speak European.

Baa Baa Baa Baa Baa. Waa Waa Waa Waa Waa.

OK, that did it - they've surrendered.

249 R2D2  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 7:59:24pm
250 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 8:00:41pm

Ze Fabled French Force de Frappe of Fifty Feckless Frogs!

Zey taste just like chicken!

[Link: www.digital-sledgehammer.com...]

251 R2D2  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 8:04:44pm

In Stockholm too

[Link: newsru.co.il...]

(sorry, it's in russian, but there are pictures on right side.)

252 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 8:05:52pm

The Super Chicken Theme

When you find yourself in danger,

When you're threatened by a stranger,

When it looks like you will take a lickin',

(puk, puk, puk, puk)

There is someone waiting

who will hurry up and rescue you,

Just Call for Super Chicken!

(puk, ACK!)

Fred, if you're afraid you'll have to overlook it,

Besides you knew the job was dangerous when you took it!

(puk, ACK!)

He will drink his super sauce

And throw the bad guys for a loss

And he will bring them in alive and kickin'

(puk, puk, puk, puk)

There is one thing you should learn

When there is no one else to turn to

Call for Super Chicken!

(puk, puk, puk, puk)

Call for Super Chicken!

(puk, ACK!)

253 kidgto  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 8:32:54pm

Bush/Condi hoodwinked...again

254 RTLM  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 8:49:26pm

The best troops to keep peace in Lebanon is The IDF.

minus Olmert

255 jimmy the infidel  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 9:41:35pm

What about the Polish or the Bulgarians? At least they had the stones to engage insurgents in Afghanistan and Iraq. So did the Spanish for that matter, until their gov't completely shat on them by turning belly-up to their "new gov't."

I'd be willing to bet that if the U.S. did in fact send troops Lebanon, Syria and the rest of the ISLAMOFASCIST countries would have a conniption fit

256 Suzette  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 10:12:49pm

The whole world bows down to this RoP! And no one; no country in the world will come and help Israel. They are condemned by the world and surrounded by their enemies.
All this does is enbolden the Hiz. Tragic.

257 Sprite  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 10:19:09pm

No time to read all the posts...sorry...hopefully I can in the a.m.

With regard to Charles' comment that France never intended to follow through:

I'm sorry, but I think it's even worse than that. They 'promised' to send their own peacekeeping troops, all the while knowing they would not, and all the while entreating the rest of the world (read, Muslim nations) to 'fill in the gap'.

They are diabolically inept. Or diabolically alligned.

258 Nedra118  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 11:05:15pm

#242 republic

I am counting on you being right about W!
I think we need get raving mad and start
talking up our side.

No way is W responsible for the French ...
He knows them better than they know themselves - W knows what is going on. We need to get fired up and stop being so danged pessimistic about the elections.
The folks know what the Dems are up to.

259 bweep  Sun, Aug 20, 2006 11:28:25pm

#17 Stormy70
The Israelis should give the UN and specifically the French a deadline before they resume hostilities. Otherwise they'll just get the blame for breaking the ceasefire. It won't matter if Hezbollah start it, Chirac will soon forget that and point the finger.

260 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 12:45:15am

247- solomon panting

I don't think the Israelis will be too concerned with what the Dems/lefty blogs will piss and moan about. France, and by extension, the UN, has left itself open to any and all irrelavence and impotence.

Sorry, but the world has shown endless patience for the UN's ineptitude, impotence and proof of irrelevance. One more example of it will have no negative effect on world opinion. They all seem quite happy with it.

261 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 1:13:56am

‘In the past, whenthe UN itself and peacekeeping missions were not properly defined, we’ve seen major spectacular failures.‘ - corrected to reflect documented historical events.

262 steppingrazor  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 2:13:58am

#105
[Link: www.strategypage.com...]
[cue megalomaniacal laughter]

263 ciaospirit  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 2:22:33am

OT

OHIO Lizards (and those nearby). There's an LGF meetup on Saturday around 5 or so. If ya didn't get the info, email me. Make sure to give your nic in the email.

264 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 3:04:36am

I don't see the big issue here. It's not like Israel has stopped pulling out troops.

265 scorched earth 138  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 3:22:47am

Mmm Europe, I have a sugestion... GET A HANDLE ON YOUR OWN muslim problem !
You'll have to endure Serbia taunting you with some righteous "I told you so's" but in the end, that's where your focus ought to be...

266 iltridente  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 3:26:38am

#259 - I think 5 or 10 minutes' notice would be sufficient.

267 freya4freedom  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 3:40:14am

#29 DesertSage

Don't generalise too much.

268 Aegius  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 3:58:38am
Some countries, like Australia, which has placed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, have flatly refused to commit troops. “We have no intention of making any significant contribution,” said a senior Australian government official, who was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter. “We don’t have any confidence in it. It is not going to have the mandate to disarm Hezbollah.”

You can always count on Australia not to BS and tell it like it really is.

The Peacekeeping force is a joke. The UN is a joke. The cease-fire is a joke. The only reason why hostilities will not resume is that Hezbollah doesn't want to piss off the Lebonese any more than they already have. If they attack Israel any time soon, they are doomed.

269 pickettj1970  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 4:50:28am

Australia is about the only government of any size on earth that makes any sense anymore, other than us.

270 moondog  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 4:57:44am

Whole point was to embarass Condi like they did Colin Powell (on the use of force resolution in Iraq). You would think the Bushies would learn...
_uck the French!

271 armymarinemom  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 4:59:44am

EU = Enthusiastically useless

272 Kenneth  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 5:09:17am

259 bweep

The Israelis should give the UN and specifically the French a deadline before they resume hostilities. Otherwise they'll just get the blame for breaking the ceasefire. It won't matter if Hezbollah start it, Chirac will soon forget that and point the finger.

No point in advertizing the fact to Hezbollah. But otherwise, you are dead right. Two days ago, in the Bekka valley, the IDF commandos raided a convoy with fresh missiles for Hezbollah from Syria. Re-arming Hezbollah is a clear violation of the ceasefire agreement. Does Kofi critisize Syria? No, he blamed Israel for "provocation"...as if arming genocidal terrorists wasn't provocative.

273 goblue79  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 5:09:41am

Slightly OT: More media intimidation from the nice folks in Hezbollah:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14234194/

Hezbollah is well funded — $40 million a month from Iran. But the group is under serious pressure after 25 days of Israeli attacks.

A sign of that growing pressure — about a dozen Hezbollah censors threatened journalists in Tyre Monday afternoon.

They put their hands over camera lenses to prevent us from filiming Hezbollah's outgoing rocket launches, then took pictures of the cameramen, threatening to take the cameras away.

274 piglet  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 5:09:48am

I've got it. israel should fire rockets at iran from southern leanon.

275 THX-42  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 5:37:02am

So, to summarize the earlier brilliant observations of our lizardoid bruthas and sistuhs, the Euros of our species have mutated into: invertebrate tribbles with built-in backup beepers.

I like it.

276 Yankee Yankee Zulu  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 5:37:35am

No surprise the "cease fire" isn't going as well as the UN and State Department planned it.

When is Europe going to finally get it through their thick and stubborn skulls that "talk" and "negotiations" and "diplomacy" mean nothing to terrorists, who would just assume cut out your tongue, cut off your hands, and gouge your eyes out?

I go with #17: Israel is doing a little bit of stock and inventory, and perhaps a little rope-a-dope for the gullible MSM and extensive fang sharpening off the scenes. If Hezbollah shows its true colors as cowards and scum, by raining rockets or bombs into Israel, OR if Iran gets involved, then we'll see how Israel really fights, bareknuckled.

277 goblue79  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 5:42:00am

#276 Yankee Yankee Zulu

When is Europe going to finally get it through their thick and stubborn skulls that "talk" and "negotiations" and "diplomacy" mean nothing to terrorists, who would just assume cut out your tongue, cut off your hands, and gouge your eyes out?

Whoa there. "Terrorists" is a bit strong...let's define the term first.

/

278 descolada9  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 5:58:43am

At least the Aussies have common sense going for them. That's more than the French could ever hope for.

279 gbl  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 6:04:04am

"...until the mission is more clearly defined."

Oh, come on. Does anyone believe even if the mandate (mission) was more clearly defined these countries would help out?

Let's face it, these countries DO NOT have the ability to deploy "combat ready" men or women. I don't want to even think of a UN combat force. It would be a turkey shoot for Hizballah.

280 itellu3times  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 6:22:08am

I can't wait to see what this period looks like in history from 100 or 200 years in the future. Just hope the book is written in English.

281 Right Side  Mon, Aug 21, 2006 10:32:16am

#245 So?

If the IDF is to succeed, they need ceaseless PR support from the US, Britain, Australia, Canada..and the few others who have any sanity left. While Israel fights, these countries need to flood the media and expose the sham of the Islam and it's cult of death. and of course, Koffi and the UN.


You keep putting the onus on the wrong parties.

Harper, Howard, Bush, Blair, all staunchly supported Israel at considerable political cost to themselves. But their respective peoples have a different--and more pragmatic--view:

In America, there's an old saying: "Nothing succeeds like success." Or as Osama put it, "When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they like the strong horse."

If the IDF had gone ahead with its original plan, swept behind Hezbollah's lines, cut them off and then swept through southern Lebanon in two weeks, not only would Israel's allies in the West have stuck up for it to the end, but Europeans would have secretly admired Israel's efficiency, and the Arab regimes would have felt comfortable to denounce Hezbollah as a useless troublemaker. The news media would be full of favorable stories reporting on Israel's "brilliantly executed," "daring" strategies.

Nobody wants to stand up for a loser. Nobody wants to be associated with a loser. And Olmert revealed himself to be a loser. Within one week after the outbreak of hostilities, the whole world, both supporters and opponents of Israel, realized that Olmert's policy of attacking Hezbollah primarily through airpower was never going to work. And strategic bombing of enemy population centers in lieu of manly heroic ground combat is never going to get you favorable publicity.

So you have it the wrong way: If Israel is to get PR support, it has to show it's a winner.


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