"South Asian appearance.” That means Hindu software engineers, right?

Please tell us more!

when the airlines see how expensive it is to divert flights and house passengers, they will hopefully add pressure to the governments to do something.

I wonder if those were track phones they were using?

Interesting........... Radicalized Quakers no doubt.

Was thinking it was more trouble from those pesky Buddhists or Hindus :)

Amish I'm sure.

She said she didn’t see what happened but heard from other passengers the men had aroused suspicion by getting out their mobile phones

Yes, there was that. And also, THEY WERE OF SOUTH ASIAN APPEARANCE.

The Syrian Band must have booked a new gig.

I'm sick of these "Asians," getting as bad as the French utes!

149 passengers on flight 42 to Mumbai

wow. this is a 747-400

not very full!

This kind of thing is getting to be a daily occurrence. Testing & fun by the "south Asians" is costing airlines and passengers money...and that is what will force a change in policy to begin profiling, aka common sense.

who pays the fuel costs for the F-16's?

something tells me I do

send the bill to the people that caused the problem in the air!, like when the coast guard has to rescue fisherman that fall through the ice.
THEY GET A BILL

Stop soaking the american taxpayer

RoPers.....nein....nein.....just agitated South Asian youth with cheesy cell phones...

Nothing going on here...move along.

Good morning, AI. Never a dull day.

Those pesky Hindu's!

@13 shug

The plane was a DC10 -- seemed less than 60% full. I don't know when's the high season for Amsterdam-Mumbai flights but 149/280 is quite low.

Anyone see the details of the airplane pee-pee lady from last week yet?

Appparently, she was a "peace activist" from Vermont, who made veiled Al Qaeda threats to the flight attendants before dropping trou and pissing on the floor!

A Howard Dean supporter, no doubt.

Flight to India with people of South Asian appeareance on board...no prob.

Suspicious behavior? Will withhold judgment until more comes out about that aspect. Hope it's nothing.

anshnd 19

Dc-10 , eh. That's right. Northwest still flies the "classics" but I would have assumed it was the 744 still. oh well

No wonder it was empty, when you can get a flight on a comfy new jet with seat-back TV's from the other carriers

Jihad for Mahavishnu!

13 shug

Dutch airport officials said the Northwest pilot decided to turn back his 273-seat DC10-30 when it was in German airspace.

south Asian appeareance

Hmm were they ....
Vietnamese?
Mongolian?
Burmese?
Phillipino?
Cambodian?
Thai?
Laotian?

Cell phones....How many more planes?....How many more Cell phones?....We need to know...Why the cell phones?

#13 shug

According to what I'm reading it was a DC-10-30. I didn't know any US carriers were still flying DC-10s. I thought they had all (DC-10s and MD-11s) been converted into freighters (mainly FedEx).

secret voice recording of the 11 men as they were escorted off of the airplane....

" Curses Brother Samuel! If thou hadest waited until I told thee to trigger the horse manure bomb we snuck on board this modern abomination instead of having the Brethren act to soon we wouln't have been caught!The Quaker Jihad has been foiled again!

babbazee @26

you forgotto add

SanFranciscan
Los Angelean
Brooklynian

Meanwhile, two southern Asian yoots are upset about getting booted from a flight going from Spain to the UK.

Asian students' shock at ejection from jet by passenger mutiny

Manchester Umist students Sohail Ashraf and Khurram Zeb, both 22, said they sympathised with nervous travellers, but urged people not to be paranoid about Muslims.

"We might be Asian, but we're two ordinary lads who wanted a bit of fun," Mr Ashraf told the Daily Mirror.

"Just because we're Muslim does not mean we are suicide bombers."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/new s/news.html?in_article_id=401905&in_page_id=17 70&ct=5

#26, BabbaZee,

You know that those nationalities on your list are not South Asian, right?

/just checking

Ah, "South Asians" used for the second time in two weeks... Ring the bell, folks, we've got a new Media Euphemism!

Obviously, Dutch and Indian foreign policy are to blame.

It might just end up being nothing. I still remember the famous incident involving a Malayalam actress Samyuktha Verma. She and some others were on a flight to New York, a few months after Sept 11, 2001. They were on their way for some cultural program in NY. It was the first visit to America for some of them. So they got excited pointing out the Statue of Liberty and also the vacuum created by the destruction of the Twin Towers. They were talking in their native tongue Malayalam (spoken by people belonging to the Southern State of Kerala in India, which also happens to be my language, for those interested.).

Some lady passenger who didn't know Malayalam from Arabic, got frightened and alerted the Flight crew. The flight was then escorted by 2 F-16 fighters to the airport. As soon as it landed, Ms.Verma and her troupe were whisked away by the FBI. Of course all misunderstandings were cleared when the troupe mentioned about the various programs they were going to perform in various cities in the USA. The organizers of the program in NY were also questioned and wyhen facts matched, the leader of the FBI team and mayor Bloomberg apologized to the troupe and they went about their business. Ms. Verma, later wrote about how professionally sh was treated by the FBI. Coming from a country where cops are feared by ordinary citizens, she mentioned that she was frightened about what would happen. But the way she (and others) were questioned, clearly put her at ease and she was pleasantly surprised when the Mayor apologized to her and her troupe in person.
But it did lead to a lot of comical comments from leading leftists like VeerendraKumar (who owns a mighty newspaper MathruBhoomi) to make comments like "The mighty USA does not fear Islamic militants, but a frail Samyuktha Verma makes them pee in their pants" and the like.

Even if it ends up being nothing, I think such incidents will help us remember that we are at war and that each one of us has to be alert and brave, if we have to win this war against a faceless and stateless enemy.

If the airlines weren't afraid of CAIR and their ilk, they'd probably ask for strip searches of all Muslims, plus absolutely no carryons for them.

And the terrorists would switch to converts like Richard Reid and a couple of the recent British captured terrorists, or unwknowing dupes, like the Irish woman of around 10 years ago who was duped by her Pali boyfried into carrying a suitcase with a bomb onto an El Al flight - El Al security caught it, and she was not charged, as whe didn't want to die with the plane. (Asshole Pali had gotten her pregnant, and would kill his unborn kid, too. But think the "liberals" got upset at that form of abortion?)

Syrian president quoted as saying UN troops on Lebanon-Syria border a "hostile" move

Published: 08.23.06, 20:17

Syria's President Bashar Assad was quoted in a TV interview Wednesday as saying that he would consider the deployment of international troops along the Lebanon-Syria border a hostile move toward his country.

"First, this means creating hostile conditions between Syria and Lebanon," Assad told Dubai Television, according to excerpts released by the TV station ahead of the interview's airing late Wednesday. "Second, it is a hostile move toward Syria and naturally it will create problems." (AP

)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Yes, the dreaded South Asians...

Ok, so how about an OT?

I knew you'd all like one...

More -ahem- south asian type issue ultimatum to FOXNEWS.

The Jerusalem Post's Israel Alert Service (no link yet) is reporting that the purported kidnappers of the Fox News reporters have issued an ultimatum.

The group has given the US government 72 hours to release all Muslim prisoners that it holds, Sky News reported. A previously unheard of Palestinian group, the Holy Jihad Brigades, claimed responsibility on Wednesday for kidnapping of the Fox

Now wait a second - does that mean all jihadi arab muzzle'ems?

Or does it mean all the bruthas that converted after reading Malcolm while already in the joint?

I think they're gonna hafta clarify a little, becuz that is gonna be a doozy of a precedent if they mean the latter...

Wait. Let me guess. They were headed out to Bozeman, Montana on a cultural exhange program and simply boarded the wrong plane; the excesive use of cellphones was just a means of contacting their travel agents at Jihadi Airlines so they could book new flights.

The semester is just starting and they don't want to miss sensitivity training.

All just a misunderstanding.

Seething and whining press conference to follow.

#34 Don't forget that Indonesia was a Dutch colony and that there is a huge Indonesian immigrant population in the Land of Wooden Shoes. Remember all the train hijackings in the Netherlands back in the 80s and 90s?

Security has been increased at airports worldwide in the last two weeks after British police said they had foiled a plot by British Muslims to blow up planes in the mid-Atlantic using liquid explosives disguised as drinks.

Islam is pushing its luck - and that luck will eventually run out.

Western democracies are, in general, a pretty reasonable and understanding group of people - but our patience will eventually run out.

And then we’ll see who is afraid of whom.

When that day comes, (and I believe that day is not far off) when Mosques are shut down, Muslims are being deported, chased down and beaten in the streets, when the Western world has had its belly full of Muslim bile, hate and threats, when no sympathy exists for innocent Muslims - who refused to denounce groups like MPACUK and CAIR - who refused to stand up and denounce violent and threatening Muslims - when the civilized world recognizes and calls Islam what it really is – a death cult and evil – eventually sane, civil, peace loving – God fearing people - the world over, will look back at the long road that brought us to where we are and say: “They’ve brought this on themselves!”

Everyday I see more people open their eyes to what Islam is and what Muslims want.
They always have this shocked and surprised look on their faces - I call it the 'oh, shit' look.

This won’t end well for Islam - but it will end 'Islam' as a threat to civilization.

28 ward

Yes NWA still does. I fly them or their partners about 100,000 miles a year

They have the nations oldest fleet and use the DC-10 ( on a far dwindling route list thank God ) as well as hundreds of Dc9's

all circa 1970

Fortunately they are adding some nice new A330's

I guess I would have thought the AMS-BOM route was beyond the range of the DC10, but show's how much geography I know. I think it has a range of about 6000 miles.
I know that they used to fly the 747 on this route because I remember taking a 744 from Detroit to AMS and it was continuing on to Bombay.

guess with only 149 PAX they got tired of paying for a 747

39 storagemanager

Of course... Syria wants to reoccupy Lebanon and reinforce its power over them...

It's all about Iran.

"We might be Asian, but we're two ordinary lads who wanted a bit of fun," Mr Ashraf told the Daily Mirror.

A BIT OF FUN? Joking about only having 1/2 hour to live?

The amazing juxtaposition of human accomplishment and human barbarity at the airport never ceases to astound me

We go to the airport, to fly across the globe in enormous hunks of metal that our fellow (western) man has dreamed and built.

It defies the imagination that these wonders of technology can even get off the ground, let alone fly 1000s of miles.

And yet....

We have to wait in interminable lines, security checkpoints, because there are other, decidedly less advanced "humans" who board these planes with the only intention of wanting to kill everyone on board.

Sickness

Another attempt at humor, perhaps?

What Blue Chip said.

#4 niagarafalls
when the airlines see how expensive it is to divert flights and house passengers, they will hopefully add pressure to the governments to do something.

Yeah. Sure. Like give them more subsidies. The airlines won't do squat. The passengers, though , will continue to rise up and take matters into their own hands a la Flight 93.

What part of "do not use your cellphones until the plane is at the gate" don't these yo-yos understand?

OT -
don't know how to send stuff around LGF - this just popped up on my new link -
Hitler's Cross restaurant in india?
so where's Mohammad's Sword Kabob House?

[Link: www.comcast.net...]

I did a search for the airport and found something I must share.

A pic of chocolates at the airport, accompanied by this blurb:

Dark chocolates. Police at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport has released a warning for hallucinogenic dark chocolate bars after a homeless man ate one and confused their uniforms with wedding dresses.(AFP/File/Joe Raedle)

To see pictures of the plane in question, go here:

Airliners.net search page

and put "N234NW" in the search field. There are 95 pictures of it.

#43 blue chip:

As for luck, I'm wondering if the West's luck will run out before the terrorists get lucky with one of their latest plans for mass casualty attacks. The terrorists only need to be lucky once more - the West has to be lucky every day to make sure that the jihadis don't kill more folks.

This latest incident poses quite a few questions, as to who was taken into custody, why they were taken into custody, and what were their intentions. Taking 12 people into custody suggests a major incident, but the paucity of information makes any kind of analysis or discussion difficult.

#43 Blue Chip

Spot on.

my concern is that there are going to be endless incidents like this, amounting to nothing.

my real concern is that the idea is to get it to be an annoyance, and that eventually we'll drop our guard a bit.

the ox is slow, but the earth is patient.

i wish the dutch passengers had started a mutiny and kicked these guys off themselves. and then made some more cartoons.

I thought cell-phones were forbidden? I know you're not allowed to use them in flight, and it's clearly announced, so these 11 people were out of line.

As for the "Just having fun" excuse from last week - enjoy your jailtime, guys.

43 Blue Chip

Greetings from the North Shore!

Everyday I see more people open their eyes to what Islam is and what Muslims want.
They always have this shocked and surprised look on their faces - I call it the 'oh, shit' look.

I have been noticing this as well....the more people see and learn the more furious they become. It has taken a very long time, but I'm starting to sense an awakening.

A pic of chocolates at the airport, accompanied by this blurb:

Dark chocolates. Police at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport has released a warning for hallucinogenic dark chocolate bars after a homeless man ate one and confused their uniforms with wedding dresses.(AFP/File/Joe Raedle)

Hey man, like don't eat the dark chocolate, man.

Woodstock flashback

OT: There's a joke in here somewhere.

Aztecs butchered, ate Spanish invaders

#31 Prester John

"a bit of fun"? Had they pulled this in mid-air, the passengers might have decided to have "a bit of fun" with them.

/beat them to a pulp

While on the subject of Mumbai and terrorism, there was news yesterday about the Mumbai cops possibly foiling another attack. A paki national was killed and some others arrested in Mumbai. Investigations are still on.

#1 Fjordman 8/23/2006 10:20AM PDT

"South Asian appearance.” That means Hindu software engineers, right?

They were just chanting "OM" in unison, I would think. Probably to their grandmas over cell-phones?

#62 Sharon

I think the joke is that eating people who are trying to kill you and take your land is just to slow.

Or maybe that is the lesson learned...

Bluechip has it right. Most people at the 'street level' (working stiffs, people who travel, etc.) have had it with the RoPers.
They verbalize it to me everyday. The elites will try to bully anyone that does not follow the PC party line but will do no good. It will eventually squeeze out like a hand of sh*t between the knuckles. We know the enemy. They bow to Mecca five times a day and plan mass murder in their places of worship.

One more incident like planes going down and the elites cannot cover it up anymore will be the trigger....it will be slow at first...but in the end it is a war of civilization versus a civilization of death cults.

Sad the world has come to this but they have brought it on themselves and we have brought it to our living rooms by our sweet and do-good natures.....

I believe "South Asian" is a UK term for people from India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, etc. Considering the flight was destined for India, I don't see any surprise, nor political correctness here.

#26 Babbazee, those countries are properly referred to as Southeast Asian.

Just clearing that up.

According to the Conspiracy Whackos cell
phones can't be used from aircraft in flight

Must be mistake.........

Sharon,

OT: There's a joke in here somewhere.

OK, I'll give it a crack.

On hearing of the months-long massacre, Cortes renamed the town Tecuaque -- meaning "where people were eaten" in the indigenous Nahuatl language -- and sent an army to wipe out its people.

In English, Tecuaque loosely translates to Provincetown.

I'll bet they were Nordic pagans!..Some Lapplanders have a distinctly "Asian" appearance!
Pesky Lapplanders..now we need to add them to the "Watch list"
sigh

70 annelid

All i know is if I was on a plane and heard something that sounded remotely Arabic,I'd be afraid too.

I'd be lying if I didn't agree.

My mother recently returned from Europe and connected in and out of Frankfurt. She wasn't too psyched about some of her fellow passengers.

#57 greg:

I disagree - it will take more than a plane blowing up to get people to wake up. In fact, it might take a successful attack on a scale as large or larger than 9/11 to get people to realize the threat.

A couple hundred dead here or there isn't going to shake the media into calling the enemy who it really is - they're too busy trying to make Bush the bogeyman. The Left will not change its get-Bush mantra even as the Islamists openly and repeatedly state that their goal is the imposition of an Islamic society around the world or otherwise destroy all those who stand in their way.

Jammie

Eeeeewwwww.

#55 lawhawk

"As for luck, I'm wondering if the West's luck will run out before the terrorists get lucky with one of their latest plans for mass casualty attacks. The terrorists only need to be lucky once more - the West has to be lucky every day to make sure that the jihadis don't kill more folks."

If there is another hit on the U.S. it will be the islamonazis whose luck has run out. Because the American people will act, whether their govenment does or not. Remember in Beslan townspeople chased down at least a couple of the terrorists who were trying to get away, and beat them to death. We will do the same, only by exponential numbers.

Even if they were not planning an actual bombing, the fear and disruption they cause harms travel and public morale just the same. I'm sure it's part of the game plan.

Related - British Airways is being the most restrictive, apparently.

No bags or suitcases, laptops, cell phones, portable music players or remote controls may be brought aboard.

Allowed on are clear plastic bags containing pocket-sized wallets and ID, money, credit cards, travel documents, prescription medicine, glasses, bottled baby formula, diapers, unboxed tampons, tissues, handkerchiefs and keys.

Talk about embarrasing.

Source: [Link: www.freep.com...]

#31 Prestor John

"We might be Asian, but we're two ordinary lads who wanted a bit of fun," Mr Ashraf told the Daily Mirror.

I bet the did. Well boys, that's what your fun costs you these days. It isn't so funny anymore to be joking about the last 30 minutes of your lives, is it?

#57 brent

my concern is that there are going to be endless incidents like this, amounting to nothing.

Exactly. Many of these "incidents" may ultimately prove to have been a loosely orchestrated effort to create an atmosphere of unease and semi-paranoia amongst Westerners. These may well be probes, so to speak.

Take away the trains and the Muslims will have to sit upon the ground;
Take away the planes and the Muslims will have to walk to get around;
Take away their showers and the dirty Muslims will soon be everywhere;
Take away their burkas and the Muslims will walk around in underwear...

. While it is true that the the twelve South

Asians did simultaneously leap to their feet

in midflight, displaying the Nazi stiff-arm

with their right hands while entering

matching series of numbers into their

identical cellphones with their left hands

while singing the Horst Wessel song in

Arabic in three-part harmony, it is

important to stress that the arrested

passengers represent a broad strata of

society.

Or in the same vein as #72...
They may be Icelandic!
/think Bjork/
web.ukonline.co.uk/M...
ble/hopper/bjork.jpg
(hope the link works..I'm new at this!)

80 annelid

When I went to Israel many moons ago, I was "profiled"...gasp!
I didn't really mind, hey, I'd rather be questioned then dead.

I was profiled when flying from London back to Boston after spending several weeks in Ireland.
My traveling companion had dual Irish/American citizenship and he had been in Ireland for over a month and tensions were running high in Northern Ireland at the time.

The security agent (plain clothes, appeared out of nowhere) grilled me for about 15 minutes before he agreed to let me get my boarding pass.
Being 19 at the time, I was petrified!

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/Members/keith.dumble/hop per/bjork.jpeg

(Last try..I promise!)

loppyd,

The security agent (plain clothes, appeared out of nowhere) grilled me for about 15 minutes before he agreed to let me get my boarding pass.
Being 19 at the time, I was petrified!

Not to mention those unsightly grill marks.

I was once entering the USA from Canada with a white South African.

Spent a couple hours at the border while the beer got warm.

BTW, I left a little something for you on the top thread.

As Emily Litella would say.."Never mind"

Lawhawk -

As for luck, I'm wondering if the West's luck will run out before the terrorists get lucky with one of their latest plans for mass casualty attacks

I disagree - it will take more than a plane blowing up to get people to wake up. In fact, it might take a successful attack on a scale as large or larger than 9/11 to get people to realize the threat.

Sadly, I think you’re right. It will take a large loss of life to truly show western civilization what’s at stake. Why all the attacks to date have not been enough evidence is beyond me.

In all honesty, prior to 9/11 - I didn’t recognize the threat myself. I viewed it as ‘their problem’ and not something that could affect me directly.

I was wrong. Dead wrong.

Those days are long gone.

Living in a very liberal / PC part of the country (Boston), I’m amazed by the amount of ‘awakening’ I see going on. People are opening their eyes – and voicing their opinions.

I only hope more people recognize the threat - before more people die.

Pakistan is not in Asia asshats

AP quoted a U.S. government official as saying that crew members and air marshals observed the passengers trying to use cell phones and passing them back and forth as the plane was taking off.

"It was behavior that average passengers wouldn't do," the official said.

Any other questions?

This is very interesting. Bush was in town yesterday and flew into MSP (minneapolis/st paul airport). On that same day these guys fly out? And 12-13 security checkpoint workers are taken to the hospital because of fumes?

Strange

Thank God for the air Marshals. Hopefully there are a lot of them flying around up there!

#77

If there is another hit on the U.S. it will be the islamonazis whose luck has run out. Because the American people will act, whether their govenment does or not.

I disagree completely. A nuke could go off in Chicago and a good 25% of the population would say we deserved it for all the "crimes" the U.S. has committed over the last 230 years and another 25% would say we deserved it because of all the "crimes" committed by Chimpy McHalliburton.

#92 pegcity:

Ummm, fact check - Pakistan is in Asia. It is not in the Middle East.

Jammie

I saw your present. You're so sweet. :)

The last time I came back from Montreal the customs agent was not pleased with me for only having a driver's license. He said "this doesn't tell me jack about you except that you know how to drive."

Ooops.

#92

Pakistan is not in Asia asshats

OK, I'll ask. On what continent is it then?

Ummm, fact check - Pakistan is in Asia. It is not in the Middle East.

Asia also technically includes the Middle East I believe. I mean, it's not part of Europe or Africa, is it? It's not it's own continent.

I think Bjork should be arrested on general principles just for the dress">

AP quoted a U.S. government official as saying that crew members and air marshals observed the passengers trying to use cell phones and passing them back and forth as the plane was taking off.

Any of these purchased in bulk at Wal Mart?

92 pegcity 8/23/2006 11:23AM PDT

Pakistan is not in Asia asshats

Many people believe that Pakistan and Afghanistan are in the Middle East. I do not know a continent with that name. The Middle East should actually be called SouthWest Asia, like Vietnam, Cambodia and all are called SouthEast Asia.

#92 pegcity

Oh? Were is it? Australia?

#91 Blue Chip

Living in a very liberal / PC part of the country (Boston), I’m amazed by the amount of ‘awakening’ I see going on. People are opening their eyes – and voicing their opinions.

I don't know how your head doesn't explode on a daily basis! Why don't you move on out to Central Mass where I live? There are a lot of crusty old farmers out here, and "political correctness" and "liberalism" aren't even in their vocabularies!

"dirty hippies"
/Ebenezer Rideout..grows corn.

;)

The "Middle East" is in Asia. Except Egypt, and other North African countries which scarecly are Middle Eastern.

Geologically, the Arabian peninsula is on the African shelf, but.....

This story actually heartens me, along with other stories lately.

Our governments have had some big wins lately in fighting terrorism, but regular people like the crew are also stepping up and saying when things don't look right.

Quote The Professor, A pack not a herd.

When we work as a pack, where each and every one of us is a part of the defensive team, things work vastly better than working like a herd, where we depend on authorities to be our shepards and protect us from all harm. A pack is all but unbeatable.

While on the subject of where Pakistan is, the British use the term "Asians" to denote Indians, Pakis, Nepalese, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans. They might have Afghans also in mind I think.

No wonder, the Hindus in Britain have come out against this generalization. They do not want to be clubbed with the Islamofascist idiots who cause all the problems in Britain.

#101 Swamp Woman

So true..LOL

;)

#101 Swampwoman

Where’s PETA when you need them?

OT: Did I hear Tony Bennett trashed America’s contribution to the ‘arts’?

If so, I think I’ve bought my last Tony Bennett CD….

What is it with entertainers and trashing the US?

From Linda - ass-hat - Ronstat to the Dixie Shits, don’t they know who pays them?

109 svjathi

Which is very odd, because in the US, "Asian" refers almost exclusively to East Asians; Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc.

Just wondering; were they peeing in the aisle as a result of 'claustrophobia' ?

I was ona flight on Northwest from Detroit to NYC on Monday morning and was very suspicious of one passenger in particular. In addition to me, Inoticed that the flight attendants also seemed to stop by this one passenger numerous times during the course of the flight.

Firstly, he moved seats to an exit row and sat by himself. He wanted to move his very large carry on bag and tried to fly with it in the unoccupied seat next to him, which the crew said no way to.

Then once we were cruising, he began to mess around under his seat, with another carry-on bag he had. He then went and grabbed his carry on that he did was not able to bring over with him earlier and started unpacking and moving things around. He then started taking wires out of his bag. At service time, he requested drinking water and soda and tea. The flight crew kept returning and watching him. I from my seat was constantly eyeing him as well. He was a man, well dressed, of Middle Eastern appearance, spoke little English.

Thankfully we landed at JFK without incident but I was concerend when I saw wires.

105 sushiisusii

Is there good sushi in central MA?

I live on the North Shore...nice to meet you!

#105 Sushi

Why don't you move on out to Central Mass where I live?

And give in to the LLL’s?

I’m attempting to change their views – one idiot at a time.

Oddly enough, it actually works. I think people need facts to make decisions and the MSM isn’t giving those out. They’re offering opinions…

115 tfc3rid

Thankfully we landed at JFK without incident but I was concerend when I saw wires.

If I had seen wires it would have been me peein in the aisle!

Of course the gf thinks I am a paranoid maniac.

115 tfc3rid

Sometime it's very difficult to differentiate between stupid and annoying from the dangerous!

Update from Amsterdam:

Will you believe this? There's NO update on the Dutch news.
I had to go to CNN to read about the Air Marshall.

I bet our stinkin' PC news-people and our stinkin' PC politicians will put the blame on us, the Dutch, somehow.

I bet WE used our wooden clogs to somehow get those freakin' muslims people on board and WE threatened them with bunches of tulips to fiddle with their cell-phones.

We're bad, us, Dutchies.

Oops.

Sorry loppyd – saw you earlier and forgot to say ‘hello’.

Hello….

; }

#115 tfc3rid

Just a lad wanting to have fun. With wires.

/

120 GregInSeattle

Agreed...

Better to be cautious than dead.

Again, maybe this guy was doing nothing wrong but still throws a scare into you.

125 Roger

Yup. Nothing to see here...

This guy was very impatient waiting to board and seemed a bit agitated as we boarded. He seemed to always be looking around a lot...

He did catch me staring at him though. Everytime he looked in my general direction he saw me staring at him.

I lost track of him once we reached the terminal at JFK.

#126
Better to be cautious than dead.

Agreed! What did you do? I like to think I woulda asked the flight attendant to take away the bag if I saw wires.

Perhaps things have reached the point where the Muslims who wish to fly are only allowed to do so on their own airlines. In addition, in the West, they should only be allowed to fly if it is by flapping their arms and lips (as CAIR is prone to do) or by glueing on feathers (or leaves) and gliding from high places.

#127 tfc3rid

Did he have to interact with females? I knew a Muslim who would call ticket agents, etc. repeatedly and hang up till he would get a male voice.

ploome hineni

Hi there!

I think someone was referring to the Al Queda loving peace nut from VT (now there's a shockah) who was observed peeing in the aisle on that plane that diverted to Boston.

#83 -

Many of these "incidents" may ultimately prove to have been a loosely orchestrated effort to create an atmosphere of unease and semi-paranoia amongst Westerners. These may well be probes, so to speak.

I disagree. I don't think all these incidents are orchestrated or organized. I think those two Muslim morons in Spain were telling the truth - they were just "having a bit of fun". This is a religion chock-full of LOSERS, and losers do things without thinking of long-term consequences. The typical loser Muslim male is happy to grab his little moment to strut and act like the grand warrior he fantasizes himself to be. Making women cry and quake makes him feel like a big man, and they can't resist the temptation to put on a swagger and "teach a lesson" to the infidels. The problem is, the lesson isn't the one they think they're teaching. Muslims have ridden the train of Western politeness and PC reluctance to give offense a long way, but every one of these incidents hurries it to its terminus. Passenger "mutinies" and Muslim boycotts are becoming less and less unthinkable; every time we hear of one of these incidents, we steel ourselves for the moment when it's OUR turn. I'm already rehearsing in my mind what I'd say if it had to be me who would take the first step in leading a walkoff of a plane, or a refusal to board because some Muslim is acting suspiciously. Everyone else is thinking it too. Flight 93 made us all face the possibility of physically fighting back; the intimidation techniques are hardening us to face the possibility of fighting back socially. I don't think al-Qaeda really wants the West to think about any of this; I think "the boys" just can't resist joining in on the cheap, and their fun and games are going to gum up the works for the serious jihadis.

130 Roger

Did he have to interact with females? I knew a Muslim who would call ticket agents, etc. repeatedly and hang up till he would get a male voice.

I've posted this before, but I had a Saudi client at my last job. They would not speak to me on the phone and addressed all correspondce to me as Mr. Loppyd.

128 GregInSeattle

When the FA passed by to offer me a beverage I mentioned to her about the passenger in question. She had told me that they are watching him as well because he is acting very nervous.

Roger:

The FA were all female.

correspondce should be correspondence.

Need. More. Starbucks. Now.

133 American Infidel

The passengers in the exit rows across from him were Filipino (mom and 2 daughters) and did not really understand English. They moved into the Exit row just before we left the gate.

I watched this guy like a hawk... As I said I lost im once we got to JFK... Interestingly enough, Northwest flies into the International Arrivals Terminal at JFK, so who knows where he was ultimately going...

#106 ploome h.

Wow. As usual, the 'comments' are staggeringly ignorant (and, I think the choice of what comments get printed is very much biased) .

A "bit of fun" ... get real! At the very least, arrest and charge these louts for having 'fun' and disrupting lives in this manner. Instead, everyone's so relieved they didn't kill people they let them practice until perfect. Sick.

I think it's time to make pork an essential component of a plane's fuselage.

Put thousands of capsules of pork lard in the fuselage of each plane, and let the 72-raisin-seeking Jihadis know that it's there.

At the rate these "men of south Asian appeareance" are pushing things pretty soon all airports and airlines will be instituting Israeli/El Al style proceedures for all flights.

Guess that means the only way any "person of south Asian appeareance" will be flying anywhere will be on Islamist owned and operated airlines. And how much you want to bet that after one incidence of terrorism on one of those flying to anywhere outside the Islamist world that those airlines will not be allowed anywhere.

So, I guess those "people of south Asian appeareance" better start thinking about alternate means of transportation.

#80 annelid

I love the profiling in Israel! It's so sensible. I always scoot on through, being a religious woman, but my poor husband often gets pulled out of line based on his appearance. He doesn't mind at all though, and in fact, he gets upset if the security personnel seem lax at any point.

#134 loppyd & tfc3rid

I forgot to add, he would become quite agitated with lack of success in finding a male voice. It is not prejudice to point out this behavioral problem at all. It is a valif observation.

What’s with the ‘women are cattle’ attitude in Islam?

Apparently, chivalry and manners aren’t real popular with the boys.

Sounds misogynist to the core, in my opinion.

No wonder they’re seething – they probably can’t get laid to save their lives…

//insert 78 virgins joke here...

142 Roger

I agree....

I don't think wanting to save your own ass is prejudiced.

As for this guy, I won't forget his look if I ever see him again...

"Meeeeestair Loppyd"

lolol

ploome hineni -
Catherine C. Mayo: Total wack job.
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#139 Matt

I think a better idea would be to have an automic pork fat drip which gets triggered when the cabin loses pressure, you know, along with the oxygen masks. If it's in the fuselage, then it won't actually get on them since everything will blow up in an instant. Better yet, certain seats should be designated "pork fat seats" and Muslim travelers should be assigned only these seats. Cause the rest of us shouldn't have to suffer the lard lavage.

Ah, we're brilliant, aren't we?

#143 Blue Chip

No wonder they’re seething – they probably can’t get laid to save their lives…

Actually a big part of the problem is the exact opposite. Too many dimbulb LLL girls have been bamboozled into believing that they owe it to them out of white guilt. So the males take it, but then find the females even more repulsive for being so easy.

Aw shucks, I forgot that those pesky terrorists won't be sitting obediently in their seats waiting for their pork spraying. Damn these design obstacles -- back to the drawing board.

Pig Leather seats would be quite comfy.

Those bloody Amish making mischief again?

#114 ploome

"Peeing in the aisle"?

Remember the 'crazy lady from Vermont' (PC code for "an eccentric WASP"so don't worry - keep buying plane tickets ) who, the other day, was 'claustrophobic' and "as a result" peed in the plane aisle (BTW .. as a Psychotherapist, I can assure you peeing in aisles is not a symptom of 'claustrophobia') She was 'claustrophobic' even though she'd had plenty of air-travel whilst back and forth to Pakistan several times (first time in 2001!) .. and was a non-threat .. even though she writes for a Pakistani paper and has sent love notes to the Guantanamo goons ... And yet, we were all supposed to be reassured that the flight from Logan to London that she was on .. and that had to be diverted because of her bizarreness .. had Absolutely Nothing At All To Do With Terrorism.

That peeing in the aisle :)!

#143 Blue Chip

What you said ^^^up there, and yes-Islam hates women. The whole body bag thing-basically 'disappearing' women as much as possible while they are let out of the house for some air.

I like your style, btw.

#126 tfc3rid

Better to be cautious than dead.

Unfortunately, many people seem to prefer the possibility of getting dead over risking offending Muslims.

Until that changes-the Muslims are holding us all by the short and curlies.

#1 fjordman

LOL! Or it could have been members of the Hindu Knitting League, or even the Hindu Star Trek Convention Delegates.

Hmmmm. I seem to have very, very powerful thread DEADING powers today.

(anyone home?)

I'm not sure why everyone's so fixated on the "South Asian appearance" thing... it means Indian/Pakistani/Sri Lankan/Bangladeshi. From, you know, south Asia. It is not some generalized euphemism for "Muslim".

Anyway.

It's unsettling what sort of costs can be generated by some people on a plane handing around cellphones (whether or not this was a dry run, etc.)

#96 Prester John:

A nuke could go off in Chicago and a good 25% of the population would say we deserved it for all the "crimes" the U.S. has committed over the last 230 years and another 25% would say we deserved it because of all the "crimes" committed by Chimpy McHalliburton.

I'd modify this a bit:

15% would think we deserved it

20% would think Bush And/Or His Cronies did it

#80 and #141

I usually travel to Asian countries. Before 9/11, I could breeze thru security checks at SFO. But in HongKong, the security guys would firmy, but respectfully pull you aside and give you a seat. (I did not mention that I am polio afflicted and wear braces on my right leg. This would set off all sorts of sounds when I walked thru the metal detector). They would take my walking stick and run it thru the X-ray machine. One of them would then ask me to stand up, and then he would pat me down. The braces were from my ankle to the top of my thigh. I was asked to pull up my pants to the level of my braces and the security guy could verify that it was indeed prosthetic braces. Chennai (Madras) in India was similar to SFO. No care in the world. You just tell them that you were wearing braces and they let you walk past security.

On the first trip out after 9/11, I was surprised to be asked to remove my shoes in a standing position. I told the guy about my disability and asked for a chair. He did not have a chair. In the end I sat down on the floor and then removed ths shoes. They X-rayed the shoes and then gave them back to me.I did not have to remove my shoes in HongKong, Seoul, Bangalore or Delhi.

Last month, when I went to India, I found that the security checks were not as strict as in the period immly following 9/11. The Mumbai blasts took place while I was in India. The security checks underwent a dramatic change in India after that. I was asked to open my check-in luggage and remove all batteries from the toys and keep them separate.

Though I think, because of my color and appearance, I will be among those profiled, I think a kind of profiling will ultimately have to be implemented. I know that there will always be idiots who ask why Caucasians will not be profiled as the Okhlahoma bomber was Caucasian. This is similar to profiling Hindus in India because a Hindu killed Gandhi. It is irrational and impossible.

#157 O.R

What is the religious breakdown of people from countries that are considered "South Asian".

-I'm not being snarky-I really am curious.

#156 WriterMom

I think your hair rays are on reverse polarization.

#160 E2M

You know-I had everything fully re-charged yesterday at the lizard lunch, so I will have to go back for some re-callibration of the oxamepctulator fusion beams or something.

#106 ploomie quotes

"Just because we're Muslim does not mean we are suicide bombers."

No, just because they're Muslim doesn't mean they are terrorists but it without a doubt raises the chances significantly.

That's the whole point of almost everything said or recorded here for years.

Significantly, to the point where action is advisible.

We can argue all day whether it is a 5% chance, 1%, 0.000001%, or whathaveyou, but the fact remains it has risen to the point where it is significant enough to warrant at the very least increased scrutiny.

#159 Writer Mom
See History of South Asia, Ethnic Groups of South Asia
The peoples of the region possess several distinguishing features that set them apart anthropologically from the rest of Asia; the dominant peoples and cultures are Indo-Aryan and Dravidian, and have a great affinity with the Iranian Plateau and the Caucasus. Persian, Arab and Turkish cultural traditions from the west also form an integral part of Islamic South Asian culture, but have been radically adapted to form a Muslim culture distinct from what is found in the Middle East.
South Asia ranks among the world's most densely-populated regions. About 1.6 billion people live there — about a quarter of all the people in the world. The region's population density of 305 persons per square kilometre is more than seven times the world average.
The region has a long history. Ancient civilizations developed in the Dwaraka region and the Indus River Valley. The region was at its most prosperous before the 18th century, when the Mughal Empire held sway in the north; European colonialism led to its expansion in the region, by Portugal and Holland, and later Britain and to a lesser degree France. Most of the region gained independence from Europe in the late 1940s.
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For the rest:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

#162 Silhouette

No, just because they're Muslim doesn't mean they are terrorists but it without a doubt raises the chances significantly.

But if you're going to engage in that kind of monkey business, you're going to end up in the klink, just like any white guys who try the same stuff. Except there haven't been any white guys trying this.

#156 WriterMom
There are many:
Hindu, Jainist, Sikh, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian...and that's India alone...

#22 shug

DC-10 build history. Production ended in 1989. A 20-year-old airliner is not terribly old, by aviation standards. Look at B-52s (1954-1963 build), KC-135 USAF tankers (1955-1964)

DC-10 - The multirange DC-10 was designed and built in Long Beach, California, by Douglas Aircraft Company, now the Long Beach Division of Boeing Commercial Airplanes. Production was started in January 1968 and first deliveries were in 1971. In a production run extending to 1989, 386 commercial DC-10s were delivered, plus 60 KC-10 tanker/cargo models built for the U.S. Air Force.

All Muslims are not suicide bombers but all suicide bombers are Muslims...

Any questions?

Fixed my url on my blog now in case any of you care to take a gander...

/Shameles personal plug...

#149 American Jewess

Aw shucks, I forgot that those pesky terrorists won't be sitting obediently in their seats waiting for their pork spraying. Damn these design obstacles -- back to the drawing board.

Hmmmm maybe you should work for Boeing as a Design ENGR. LOL

Writermom

Unfortunately, many people seem to prefer the possibility of getting dead over risking offending Muslims.
Until that changes-the Muslims are holding us all by the short and curlies.

I agree.

Can I ask a dumb question?

When it does change - when ‘most people’ have had enough – toss the PC crap into the ash can – what happens?

How do we change a billion minds?

Off to the Imam School for wayward boys?

A full blown delousing of Islam and its teachings?

Can we outlaw a ‘religion’?

How do you get a billion people to stop believing in a death cult?

It’s like living with a psychopath in the basement – you’re never really safe…

I don’t have any answers either – I’m just trying to get my mind around the problem….

Thanks.

#163 Daisy, thanks for that link and

#165 pointed stick, yes-I know that India is particularly diverse in terms of religion-LOL I can't believe I am using the word "diverse" seriously and respectfully...

I was just wondering, in response to O.R's comment-if it would be fair to say that when the British press uses the term "Asian-appearning" if that is generally used for "Muslim" and if that is a fair generalization.

Geographically speaking, when referring to Southeast Asia, you're talking Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, Burma, Cambodia.

The Indian "sub-conmtinent" is India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan.

Southwest Asia is the Arabian Peninsula, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Kashakstan (sp?), Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, and a couple of more I missed.

Add the other 'stans to Southwest Asia, plus I forgot Syria, as well.

What if there were a separate airline just for muslims? There's segregated swimming pools for muslims (Seattle, right?), segregated beaches in Italy, so why not an Air Halal? There would be no alcohol or pork products served, instead of a curtain dividing 1st class from coach, there would be a curtain down the center dividing the men from the women, the stews would wear burkhas, so the muslims would be happy & we'd be safer with them on their own airline.
/I'm only half-joking.

for me, the details of the story are a sideline - - the real story is that the airlines, their crews and the passengers are rightly raising the alarms via profiling arabic/asian/muslim passengers - - this in itself is progress!

#164 Earth2moonbat

Aye. I was ignoring their "30 minutes to live" comments and other actions which as you correctly point out, negates all futher argument from them about being singled out because of their appearance or others' "racism."

But even granting their premise, that they were suspected only because they were Muslim, my response is so what? Suspected isn't convicted and events warrant.

#170 Blue Chip

I highly recommend you listen to Melanie Phillips interview on Fox that is posted on Hot Air. I think she rightly pinpoints (part of) the problem.

She basically says that world leaders, and people in general don't yet have the vocabulary to deal with this non-negotiable religious war that we are facing. That until people know more about jihad, and come up with the proper vocabulary-we will never be able to fight the war properly. She rightly points out that Jihad is a non-negotiable position for believing Muslims.

So, personally, if you ask me what we can do? I would say being educated is very important, reading all you can and knowing the facts. Then you can share with others in an appropriate way.

Fight with the tools you have, not with what you don't have. I mean-I saw a jihadi looking dude outside my favourite library with a STOP BOMBING LEBANON petition. I thought about confronting him-but he looked FREAKING CRAZY. So, instead, I put my brain to work, writing letters, articles, etc...

We can teach our children, and do good deeds. We can laugh the Mullahs into submission. We can support Israel and the forces of good. We can hope for a moment as in post-WWII in Japan, when the emperor had to reveal he was in fact-not divine.

We can celebrate life, always. We must remember our dead and their spirits. We can support democratic efforts elsewhere.

We can do Lizard Lunches and laugh!

These are some of my best weapons.

How does one tell the difference between a South Asian and a North Asian.... damn them for profiling like that.... Wheres the ACLU when you need them!

see ya
cathy :)

#176 kirche

I agree with you. I think the fact that the story reached the MSM at all is VERY important.

I agree with Charles' assessment-that governments will have to start to pay attention that citizens are taking back their own safety into their own hands.

The marketplace will also respond. Those airlines that can provide more thorough security will prosper.

Someone called this "market place profiling" or something like that. I think it will prove to be quite accurate.

This is an outrage!

These air marshals are profiling and that is just not acceptable. It would have been much better for this plane to be downed by these oppressed freedom fighters than for this sort of evil racial profiling to be allowed to continue.

Keep up the good work and don't be discouraged by these minor set-backs. Maybe we can some day have a juicy (i.e. lots of flames and smoke and sobbing relatives) story to blame on Bush and his minions.

Signed,
MSM, LLL, Dems, Hizbos, Palis and all courageous infidel head choppers of the world

#171 Writer Mom
The old joke holds sway...Ask an Asian and they will say to us, "you all look alike"...
Not that there aren't differences. Arabs look different than Indians who [mostly] look different from Pakistanis...
The Brits used to refer to them all as "wogs" being the superior folk they tended to view themselves as during the days of empire...that and Brits are fond of generalizations
As an Anthro major I studied South Asia and I'll be darned if I can tell the difference between the "Aryan" Indian population and the "Dravidian" Indian population...They can though!

#178 Writermom
These are some of my best weapons.

Thank you.

I’ll use them to the best of my ability.

//boy, this LGF is a Godsend!

#170 Blue Chip

Can we outlaw a ‘religion’?

No, but we can distinguish between a religion and a cult. And cult can be defined in a way that doesn't infringe on legitimate religious practice. And we can regulate cultish practices that are unacceptable.

#70 annelid

All i know is if I was on a plane and heard something that sounded remotely Arabic,I'd be afraid too.

Shortly after 9/11, my husband was on a business trip to Germany. Several arabs on the flight looking a little uncomfortable. Not because of thoughts of mischievousness...but because everyone had an eyeball zeroed in on them ready to pounce if the need arose.
Too bad it has come to this.

PLEASE tell me one of those dumbasses had to be kicked in the head at least once...

#153 WriterMom and #143 Blue Chip

I totally agree with you on the subjugation of women. I was in Europe a few weeks ago for the first time in 10 years and saw a lot of Muslim women completely covered from head to toe- only their eyes showing.

While it is their religious right to mandate and practice this- it seems so dehumanizing. It just creeps me out, and my wife and I were disturbed every time we saw it.

Somethings just not right about that- it erases so many aspects of an indivual's identity. Guess they do become like cattle then-

Hot Air Clip With Melanie Phillips

MUST VIEW!

Blue Chip and loppyd

as fellow residents of Tax-a-chew-suits
(Mass)

how do you like the city of Boston giving land to the islamic group for a new mosque?

(where is the great ACLU on this?
oh, yeah, they are busy suing so muslims can carry guns onto jets)

//no stereotyping or profiline of cattle intended or implied by my above post

Sometimes I swapped SIM cards in my phone (without turning it on) during the flight between Italy and UK... it's better to shed that habit, I suppose.

Ryanair sued (or threatened to) the UK government for the horrible mess in the airports.

#94 strictnein

This is very interesting. Bush was in town yesterday and flew into MSP (minneapolis/st paul airport). On that same day these guys fly out? And 12-13 security checkpoint workers are taken to the hospital because of fumes

?

Eh? What did I miss? Where is it reported about these checkpoint workers and did they find the source? (haven't looked around myself as I am just cruising the threads here)

#184 E2m

What seems difficult to me is to find a proper, legal definition of cult. Especially one that is sufficiently hard to be abused.

According to a witness, they were Muslims

"We saw nothing strange about these men", said Indian Sarat Menon, a Flemish speaking textile merchant from Brussels that sat right next to the 'terror suspects' and spoke with them as well. "they were obvioulsy Muslims, several of them had long beards. But that doens't seem to me enough of a reason to cause such panick".

[Link: www.telegraaf.nl...] (Dutch)

There's no need to "outlaw a religion". A "religion" is nothing more than a *ideology*. Ideologies are subject to critical analysis and review in free societies. Those that are found to be incompatible with the values of a democratic society in the 21st century are typically subject to scorn and ridicule--which in turn ensures that adherents of that ideology find themselves unable to attain political and military power.

We need to speed up the "ridicule and scorn" aspect in regards to the ideology that is "Islam"--its clearly incompatible with our values and our laws.

189 wargammer2005

Blue Chip and loppyd

as fellow residents of Tax-a-chew-suits
(Mass)

how do you like the city of Boston giving land to the islamic group for a new mosque?

(where is the great ACLU on this?
oh, yeah, they are busy suing so muslims can carry guns onto jets)

Outraged is how I feel. I believe there us is a lawsuit holding up its construction, though.

Will check it out.

#189 wargamer2005

how do you like the city of Boston giving land to the islamic group for a new mosque?

As long as they use the same concete sub contractors from the big dig, where's the harm?

#197
concrete, not concete.

Wargammer 2005

how do you like the city of Boston giving land to the islamic group for a new mosque?

I don’t like it. Not a bit.
Actually, it’s a Mega-Mosque, located in a primarily black community. I suspect they’re looking to recruit from the local community.

The Boston Herald printed an investigation into the land deal and was promptly sued by the leaders of the Mosque. Last I heard, a trial date is pending – but I’m hoping the disclosure process will reveal the true dealings that took place in the negations with the Mayor’s office.

Could be business as usual for Boston (no deal is too small, and get a piece of everything) or it could expose the leaders of the Mosque as bullies.

I believe Charles posted some threads on it here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The Islamic Society of Boston has charged a local Israel advocacy group with defamation and conspiring to violate its civil rights in a lawsuit filed in Suffolk County Superior Court Oct. 31.

To a complaint filed in May against the Boston Herald and Fox 25 News, ISB added Anna Kolodner, the David Project’s director of education. It also named author and lecturer Steven Emerson of the Investigative Project, Steven Cohen and Dennis Hale of the group Citizens for Peace and Tolerance and William Sapers as defendants in the defamation lawsuit.
The suit also adds to charges of defamation allegations that the defendants conspired in “a concerted, well-coordinated effort to deprive the Plaintiffs, who are members of the Boston area Muslim community, of their basic rights of free association and the free exercise of religion.”
The 58-page complaint alleges an elaborate web of connections between the groups newly named in the suit and Fox 25 News and the Boston Herald, all aimed at undermining the ISB’s $22 million mosque and cultural center project under construction in Roxbury. Among the items cited as evidence of a conspiracy are meetings between Kolodner, Emerson and reporters for the Herald, and e-mails describing the need to find someone to file a civil complaint against the ISB. The suit alleges that this is how the suit filed by neighborhood resident James Policastro against the ISB in the fall of 2004 was originated.

svjathi,

I respectfully request that you refrain from using the slur "Paki" here. Also, FWIW, "Nepali" is preferred over "Nepalese."

Dhanyabaad!

182 pointed stick 8/23/2006 12:46PM PDT

#171 Writer Mom
The old joke holds sway...Ask an Asian and they will say to us, "you all look alike"...
Not that there aren't differences. Arabs look different than Indians who [mostly] look different from Pakistanis...
The Brits used to refer to them all as "wogs" being the superior folk they tended to view themselves as during the days of empire...that and Brits are fond of generalizations
As an Anthro major I studied South Asia and I'll be darned if I can tell the difference between the "Aryan" Indian population and the "Dravidian" Indian population...They can though!

I think you are not abreast of the new genetic studies that have disproved once and for all, the theory that "Aryans" came from Central Asia (the region which is now Uzbekistan) and conquered the "Dravidians" in India. Arya in Sanskrit just means noble. It does not denote a race or creed. Dravida in Sanskrit means South.

The whole notion of these being two races "corresponded to European belief of the time, according to which darker-skinned people were more "primitive" than the light-skinned whites. Accordingly, Dravidians were envisaged as primitive early inhabitants of India who had been partially displaced and subordinated by Aryans. Classical anthropology viewed them as a distinct race, one of about the 40 human races in their system ("Weddid race"). Indeed, southern Indians differ from northern Indians in many respects, one of which is often darker skin. This is true only statistically; since one can come across any number of north Indian who are dark or who have Mongoloid features like those from Nagaland. Coversly one can have any number of south Indians who are of lighter skins. Some famous Hindi movie actors and actress' like Hema Malini, Vyjayanathimala, Kamal Hassan, Aishwarya Rai are south Indians.
Most modern historians, however, reject the conception of a distinct Dravidian race, asserting that the high degree of admixture between distinct genetic populations during prehistory is far more significant than the somewhat superficial overlay of language distribution, as language frequently spreads between groups of genetically disparate people as cultures meet and clash. Some believe that the darker skins of the Dravidian-speaking people would be explained by their adaptation to the hotter and sunnier climate of South India. Dark skin is not an acid test dividing south and north Indians."
(More info on so many websites and reference books.)

wargammer2005

It wasn't given to them. It was sold for way less than its value:

From Daniel Pipes:

Sep. 29, 2004 update: The Boston Herald reports that James C. Policastro, a Roxbury resident, filed suit yesterday in Suffolk Superior Court against the city of Boston for subsidizing the $22 million Islamic center going up in his neighborhood, the largest Islamic institution in the Northeast. He argues that, in its land deal with the center, the Boston Redevelopment Authority violated two violations of both the state and federal constitutions: it accepted a less-than-fair-market-value price for a parcel of city land and it is illegally supporting a religion.

The BRA valued the parcel at $401,187.50. According to the suit, it took a cash payment of $175,000 from the center's developers, then made up the rest of the price tag by valuing at $272,663 a series of benefits the developers are granting Roxbury Community College. For example, the BRA assessed the value of a lecture series the Islamic Society of Boston plans to conduct at the college at $115,598. It assessed the value of an Islamic library of 5,000 volumes slated for the community college at $80,000. Policastro claims the valuations are "substantially inflated," and as a result the city is unconstitutionally subsidizing a religion - Islam.

#175 Beer Drinking V. Monkey

I've entertained the same idea. However .. a glitch .. they can still aim the plane into buildings etc.

#178 Writer Mom

I hate to be a party pooper .. but some well placed Very Big Bombs have brought at least 2 regressive cultures up to date: Germany and Japan.

On the other hand .. for doing our 'daily bit' your suggestions are the best.

#200 rappmandu 8/23/2006 01:17PM PDT

svjathi,

I respectfully request that you refrain from using the slur "Paki" here. Also, FWIW, "Nepali" is preferred over "Nepalese."

Dhanyabaad!

Paki is not a slur. This term was coined in 1933, by an ardent supported of Pakistan. Today the people of Pakistan have started to reclaim the word. It might be slur in the UK, but in countries like Australia, the cricket team from Pakistan is generally referred to as Paki, like the West Indies is referred as Windies.

So please do not lose sleep over a Paki. They don't lose sleep over it.

#210 svjathi
Oh, I was not supporting the stereotype, merely noting its historical existence. And yes, I always thought it ironic that there was an attempted genetic argument of Aryan lineage...much as continental Africans tend to divide themselves into classes by relative lightness of skin tone. I have met, and know, light skinned southern Indians as well as dark skinned northern Indians. You say the differences are many, but I do not see that many. But hey, anything to support the Caste I suppose.
/side note, Kerala was a particular focus of my prof [he did a lot of research there] mostly on political economics of the region. However I am struck by the beauty of the region and its stark contrast with the crowded city centers.

South Asian? Are those the folks who holler Allah Akbar, y'all? I have to wonder if Reuters actually thinks they're kidding anybody with the South Asian crap.

It's been several hours since this news broke. Can someone please point me to the follow-up article that describes the suspects' oppressive home-life / emotional instability / guilty-only-for-being-Muslim?

Many thanks.

#206

I hail from Kerala. Do you know what we call Kerala? God's own country ! because of the beauty you mentioned in your note.

#188 Writermom

Great clip.

She’s (Melanie Phillips) got their number (although Blair is an ‘enabler’-not good).

Next book to buy: Londonistan by Melanie Phillips.

Much thanks.

Blue Chip

#209 svjathi
I saw you referenced that which is why I mentioned it. From the extensive photos I have seen it's truly the jewel of India -Gulf money and capitalism proved helpful? My prof really spoke well of it, the bidis and train derailments aside.

svjathi,

Paki is a slur, among other things. I'll take your word for it if you weren't using it in that sense. And, even if you were, I most certainly would not lose one wink over it.

Cheers.

OK guys.. i'm actually curious now.. Is it not PC to say "Arab" anymore?

#209 svjathi 8/23/2006 01:34PM PDT

#206

I hail from Kerala. Do you know what we call Kerala? God's own country ! because of the beauty you mentioned in your note.

Kerala is very beautiful.

i do find the info about india to be very interesting and would like more. I live in an area with a large indian and pakistani populations as well as some sikhs who seem very interesting to this jewish guy.

Remember all the train hijackings in the Netherlands back in the 80s and 90s?

Train hijackings? Take this train to Cuba or I'll shoot!

217 ploome

These are the same people that were going to be running the ports in America. Want to bet on where the really stand when it comes to the war on Islamic terror.

Yep! I was glad when that little port deal went away.

/great post Ploome

Sorry if this is a repeat, I've not read the whole thread.

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I do not see the part about "South Asian in appearance" in the page Mr. Johnson linked to -

- this page: Dutch Arrest 12 From U.S. Airliner (on a CBS site via the AP)

I had wanted to quote this story at another disucssion board precisely because of the "South Asian" reference, but when I visited the page, I didn't see it!

(Did I overlook it?)

Right now, at the part where it starts discussing the passenger named "Alpa" it reads:

An American passenger, who identified herself only as Alpa, told AP Television News she saw about a dozen people taken off the plane in handcuffs.

While Flight NO0042 was over German airspace shortly after takeoff...

BTW, I bring this up because I wonder if CBS went in and edited this story after Mr. Johnson posted it here?

I don't know why they would, unless it's to downplay any connection between terrorism and Islam?

My #219

Unless the "South East in appearance" phrase was from a partial transcript of a televised report.

I just thought it odd that it wasn't included in the on-line version of the story.

221+ posts and not a single Snakes on a Plane reference?

#216 actually, they were hostage situations... I believe that the perps were south moluccans (sp?. I forget exactly what their demands were but they were not laughable situations

222,

Thanks for the clarification. I agree that it's most certainly not a laughing matter and I was a bit too flip about it.

I think of the word hijacking as meaning that a mode of transport was diverted from its destination under threat of violence. Not sure if that's the generally-accepted meaning or not.

Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away

If you can use some exotic booze, there's a bar in far Bombay

Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly

Pack up let's fly away!

I flew Etihad airways on my way back from abu dahbi once. They start the flight with an arabic prayer, & the stewardesses all wear headscarves.

They'll never have a problem with 'youts'

Snakes on a plane!

I think we should create

"INFIDEL AIRLINES"

Hooters type waitresses, free pitchers of beer, cable-rated porn for the in-flight movie. Coed restrooms. Body shots. Clothing optional. Mile High Contests. Back of the plane is screened off for the children of the infidels. Barney songs, Big Bird dances, hand clapping (no ululating), boys and girls sit together and co-mingle, playing blocks, lego's and barbies. Hot dogs, corn dogs, chicken nuggets and cotton candy.

/yup... you won't find any 'snakes on a plane' like that, now would ya?

Investors?

#172

Back in the days of the Soviet Union, all of the now-independent Stans were referred to as Soviet Central Asia. Central makes more sense than Southwest for this area, and that includes the never-quite-Soviet Afghanistan. Iran seems borderline between Southwest (Middle East) and Central. That leaves the Caucasus: Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan, plus Chechnya and perhaps other areas that are part of Russia. Not sure in which category those belong.

220 yes, they edited it

The flight originated in Northwest’s main hub of Minneapolis-St. Paul a day earlier,

Let's see... President Bush was in the Twin Cities area yesterday, perhaps these folks were missing something...

A terrorist nuke could have been stashed in a vehicle parked in the lot of the convenience store at the corner of 34th Avenue and 58th Street in South Minneapolis. From this spot the device would have taken out the Air Force Reserve base where Air Force One was parked, killing President Bush. The fallout from this device would have contaminated the Mississippi River downstream of Minneapolis. Any city downstream that used the river as their source of drinking water would be in serious trouble. It is also likely that any barges and towboats that were already in the contaminated water of the Mississippi would not be allowed in the uncontaminated tributaries such as the Ohio and Missouri rivers.

Of course I waited until after the critical moment had passed to type in those thoughts.

Or it could be those damned Minnesota Lutherans again.

South Asian? Those @!%$ buddist terrorists are at it again!

A terrorist nuke could have been stashed in a vehicle parked in the lot of the convenience store at the corner of 34th Avenue and 58th Street in South Minneapolis. From this spot the device would have taken out the Air Force Reserve base where Air Force One was parked, killing President Bush. The fallout from this device would have contaminated the Mississippi River downstream of Minneapolis. Any city downstream that used the river as their source of drinking water would be in serious trouble. It is also likely that any barges and towboats that were already in the contaminated water of the Mississippi would not be allowed in the uncontaminated tributaries such as the Ohio and Missouri rivers.

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Right across from the air force TACT wing there.

Also, destroy and demolish and kill thousands at a Veterans Hospital about 6 blocks away, too.

Also, a multistory federal building and Army Reserve base 1 mile away....

This is too damned scary for my blood....

Islam delenda est

# 233 Greg

I used to live in the basement of a duplex about a block away. I now live in by brother's house in Northeast Minneapolis.

#230 The Other Les

The one thing you fail to realise is that these jihadi inbreds do not think strategically. At least not in a western sense.

Their goas are the following:

1: Highest body count possible. An explosion at 58th and France would not give them the greatest "bang for their buck" compared to parking a nuclear device at Sunset and Vine or Times Square.

2: Landmarks easily recognized in the Islamic world that are symbols of western power or decadence. Haven't you ever noticed that Las Vegas seems to be on most of their primary target lists? Why? There are much more strategic locations for them to target. I will tell you why. It is a symbol of western moral decadence to them coupled with the fact that any attack there would produce a high body count, many people concentrated in a relativly small area of the strip.

3: Portability and simplicity of the primarly weapon. These jihadis are not exactly the brightest crayons in the box-they are street thugs, not rocket scientists. I don't care if they have college degrees, as you and I both know there are alot of people with pieces of paper from universities that are pretty damn dumb.

4. Randomness and the Fear Factor. They want everyone to be afraid of stepping out of their door or even breathing. An assassination of a head of state does not provide that, blowing up subways, trains and airliners does.

5. Let the enemy destroy itself from within. The above conditions give the jihadis "fifth column" in the west (the Democrats, the other LLL's, the MSM and the other usual suspects) the conditions needed to force a country to comply with the jihadis without the jihadis taking an overt action against the governments themselves. Their goal is for us to be so afraid that we will elect people like Kerry or Clinton and put the Democrats back in power. Then they will let their useful fools serve this country up on a silver plater to them by essentially dismantle our defenses, change out policies to sell out our allies and give them what they want via the LLL judges they appoint.

Other Les...work nearby this potential ground zero in fiction (?) and live out in Washington County.

Nordeast is nice but the riff-raff is moving in. Got 'mali and American blacks shoot and duking it out on Washington Ave. and it is spreading. 10,000 plus 'malis and all of them 'slims here....disaster waiting to happen.

LGF is one of the bright spot on the web for new, views and insight into the World War we are in.

# 235 Nahanni

1: Highest body count possible. An explosion at 58th and France would not give them the greatest "bang for their buck" compared to parking a nuclear device at Sunset and Vine or Times Square.

58th and France?

That's nowhere near the airport and the AFRES/MNANG bases.

It is between the Fairview-Southdale Hospital-Southdale Mall to the south and the cluster of shops at 50th and France to the north.

But there were better targets in the area. President Bush did attend a fundraiser in Wayzata. For Lizards not familiar with Minnesota that's a major concentration of wealthy folks in the Twin Cities area.

And I think we all know how jihadis feel about wealth in infidel hands.

If the goverment or airlines don't fix this problem soon, it will begin hurting the airlines. A plane on the ground or being escorted to the nearest airport by fighters isn't making them money.

Anyone else here detect a new pattern?

Soft jihadis board planes, intentionally cause fear and suspicion.

Airlines expend enormous amounts in lost time, added expense, cancelling flights re-routing passengers.

These Jihadis, having no actual weapons, don't lose their lives and are set free because they have committed no crimes. In the process they do still probe the system, measure response and pass the info on to hard Jihadis that will try to do the real damage.

It's an interesting tactic. How do we combat it?

More on the airline menace at this link. Yes, it's Northeast Intelligence Services, which some here have criticized in the past. These particular articles are interesting and may have legs.

[Link: www.homelandsecurityus.com...]

#221 pointed stick

" 221+ posts and not a single Snakes on a Plane reference?"

I knew we were missing something :)! How the heck do you handcuff a snake?

I suppose that if the airlines, the TSA and Congress don't get serious about this, the problem will solve itself: only muslims will be flying.

I propose the Aztec solution for the Muslim problem. Anyone seen any Aztecs practicing human sacrifice on top of pyramids lately?
Hmmm, now ehere could they all have gone?

Next time I fly, I'm stapling bacon to my shoes. Take 'em all to hell with me.

Or, you could be like one fine Australian gentleman sporting pork chop shoes:

SYDNEY (Reuters) - How much does a pair of pork chop shoes cost?

If you're the licensee of the Jannali Inn in Sydney's south the price tag is
a slippery U.S. $34,817.

That's how much a Sydney court awarded in damages to a man injured when he
slipped on the inn's
greasy floor after a drinker tied pork chops to his feet to satisfy a
requirement to wear shoes to get
served, local media reported on Thursday.

Troy Bowron, 25, broke his arm, requiring two plates and 12 pins to fix,
when he fell on the greasy
floor in November 1997. Bowron sued the inn and the drinker for pain and
suffering and loss of
income.

Ross Lucock, who had been drinking at the inn and was described as "a bit
wobbly" by patrons, was eventually refused service by bar staff for not
wearing shoes, the New South Wales District Court heard this week.

Lucock returned a short time later wearing a pair of pork chops, which he
had won in a raffle earlier,
tied to his feet.

As the pork chop shoes disintegrated the hotel floor became slippery and
Bowron fell after playing
pool.

Seriously, God Bless Australia. Don't EVER change baby!

The NE Somalis are decent people from those that I've met. It does NOT behoove you to cross the Lowry bridge, however. Much more to fear from the 'native' inhabitants. FYI more killings this year than in the 'Murder-a-polis' years...

I've spent some time doing sociological studies in that area over the past few months.

/FT

# 243 Julie

Well, that's basically the Ann Coulter solution to the muslim problem.

I tried to post this earlier but had a glitch, so even though this is a dead thead, here it is anyway:

#192 taterhead
#94 strictnein
This is very interesting. Bush was in town yesterday and flew into MSP (minneapolis/st paul airport). On that same day these guys fly out? And 12-13 security checkpoint workers are taken to the hospital because of fumes
?
Eh? What did I miss? Where is it reported about these checkpoint workers and did they find the source? (haven't looked around myself as I am just cruising the threads here)

I thought of this incident from yesterday immediately after seeing this entry.
The link is here:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
When this happened on the 22nd, it made me wonder, especially since the President was in MN...

CNN's BIAS CLEAR ***AGAIN*** !

They always provide a place for you to check off for future alerts on articles that concern whatever the present article concerns. For THIS article, guess what they have for "alerts"?

You may have already guessed it:

O - Amsterdam (Netherlands)

O - Northwest Airlines

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I'll be surprised if there's an LGFer who *can't* tell what's missing....

Airlines are quietly , off the record, treating these incidents as ' dry runs '......testing of the system by the terrorists.

Formerly, flight crews were pressured to bend over backwards to give benefit of the doubt to a questionable passenger or passengers... thankfully, there has been a 180 in the thinking on this, and cabin crews and pilots are supported and urged to be proactive.

#237 The Other Les

Makes no difference Les where in Minneapolis it may be-it was not nor would be considered a target regardless of who was there.

You missed the point of my post obviously because you are too obsessed with addresses.

#226 Allah al Fubar
That was a reference so it does get credit!

#241 Daisy

How the heck do you handcuff a snake?

Very carefully I'd imagine. (sorry, bad joke)
/keep those mother f-ing snakes off the mother f-ing plane/ Samuel L. Jackson off