Premiere

I believe that this is fitting:

[Link: www.p42.org...]

Awesome job zombie!

I really admire your efforts.

This is Zombie's finest yet.

Zombie rules. Thumbs up.

Zombie,

I like the new look.

....now I'll read it.

Wow! Fjordman didn't go OT.....

bowing to zombie

Im not worthy....

Im not worthy....

Wow.

Zombie is a god. Probably and undead god with a taste for brains, but a god none the less.

Great write up!

Another great piece of work by Zombie. Chapeau !

Great work Zombie. I was happy to see that you included (and debunked) the kinetic missile theory. You made a rock solid case, anyone trying to refute it yet?

If one looks at the hole in the top of the ambulance one can see that the hole was machine cut. That's why the sheet metal at the edge of the hole is perforated at equal distances.

Wow! Fjordman didn't go OT.....

I'm sorry to disappoint. It won't happen again. Here's one:

Unique Holocaust center

Norway's new center for Holocaust Studies is opening now, housed in Villa Grande, the former home of Vidkun Quisling in Bygdøy, Oslo.

So where's the troll who's going to explain why Zom's wrong? Here, trolly, trolly, trolly! Come on! And this better be good.......

Zombie, well done! We salute and thank you!

Great work,but way too many facts and connections to reality for the average moonbat to handle.

Zombie you are amazing.

Zombie, I'm glad you got the final pieces to te puzzle, and put this out there.

Aces!

OT

A group calling themselves the Holy Jihad Brigades are demanding Muslim prisoners in US jails be released within 72 hours in exchange for the men

[Link: www.fox28.com...]

Look a win/win. FREE MUMIA! Send him to Gaza.
Moonbats, French, Islamic thugs and NeKKKons happy!

It's telling me access is forbidden... anybody else having this problem?

As much as I appreciate the work you did, Zombie, I feel that you didn't prove anything, since you did not post the photos of the chicken wire ambulance mockup. THAT is how you prove things, not by parading around actual photos and fancy words and facts and stuff.

Nevermind, works now.

This is an expose that we won't see on tonight's nightly news. Kudos to Zombie. Job well done.

ZOMBIE
you are my hero/ine
whichever applies.

By the way:
Great work Zombie.

Just read it.

Zombie, You've out-done yourself this time.

Excellent!...Hell, you did a more complete investigation sitting in front of your computer than did any of the "professional" journalist on the scene.

Thanks for all you do brave Zombie.

I had seen a bit of this at Reihl World View but you hammered all the nails in the coffin....so to speak.

Wonderful work! Now let's hear the opolgies form ALL the media - you first NYT!

(i am not holding my breath)

Now it is the 24 hour 4 weeks rule on MSM reporting.

Note:

I just completely removed what formerly was "Claim #6", about the code numbers on the vehicles. Since it wasn't a lock-solid point of contention, just interesting speculation, I decided (at the recommendation of several astute readers) that it didn't really add to the overall report.

I have a suspicion this debunking is going to get BIG, so I don't want to have any weaknesses in the argument.

Can someone tell me, again, why we need a MSM?

It seems to have outlived its usefulness.

Zombie: awesome. Thank you.

A great report. I noticed that the claim for the ambulance number being the station number has been removed. That is good. The claim was weak, and weakened the whole report. The number was obviously a serial number, and not that of a given station.

Hit Zombie's tip jar:

use paypal to zombie@zombietime.com

/cause he'll never say it

Zombie, this is superb.

Now let's start passing aling a link to all our friends on our mailing lists.

OT:

A senior official in Teheran said Wednesday that in the next few days, a "surprise" was expected regarding Iran's nuclear program, Al-Jazeera reported.

Report: Iran planning nuclear 'surprise'

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#32 zombie

Blogs: "Peer review" fast.

Shiess! Due to traffic overload already, I can't upload some key updates. FTP frozen.

C'est la vie.

#38 Liz Ard 8/23/2006 03:57PM PDT
OT:

A senior official in Teheran said Wednesday that in the next few days, a "surprise" was expected regarding Iran's nuclear program, Al-Jazeera reported.

Ahmadinejad Expected to Announce Iran's 'Nuclear Birth'
It's a warhead! "Al-Borz News Service: President Ahmadinejad Expected to Announce Iran's 'Nuclear Birth,'" from MEMRI, with thanks to Andrew Bostom:

The Iranian news service Al-Borz, which is known to have access to sources in the Iranian government, predicted that on the first anniversary of Iranian President Ahmadinejad's government, in late August 2006, Ahmadinejad is expected to announce what the news service called Iran's "nuclear birth."
In addition, an August 23, 2006 article about Iran's reply to the incentives proposal, that was posted on the Iranian Foreign Ministry-affiliated website [Link: www.tehrantimes.com...] , implied that Iran's nuclear technology had already reached the point of no return: "... If the West is seeking to impede Iran's nuclear industry, it should realize that Iran has passed this stage."(1)

The following are excerpts from the Al-Borz report:(2)

"It is expected that the first anniversary of the forming of the ninth government will be the date of the Ahmadinejad government's 'nuclear birth.'...

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Thank you again, Mr. "Zombie."

Your work is very important and valuable in the war to save Western Civilization. I salute you!

Clearly this is just an isolated incident.

yeah.

By the way, those who say the current war has gone on longer than World War Two are just wrong. Worse, they have a totally unsophisticated, US-centric, and ignorant view of history.

World War Two did not start on December 7, 1941 when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. It actually started at least 5 years earlier. In the spring of 1936 German troops occupied the Rhineland, and Mussolini's Italian forces took Ethiopia. In 1938 Chamberlain appeased Hitler at Munich, German troops occupied the Sudetenland, and the Czech government resigned. Oh yes, Kristallnacht also happened in '38.

So, the time between the first German military action -- the Rhineland -- and Pearl Harbor was about the same amount of time between 911 and now. Maybe for us Pearl Harbor hasn't happened yet.

Great job zombie. Shit job Time Magazine (AOL Time Warner), and to all the media maggots who wasted peoples time with this propaganda, a big FU.

Zombie:

Do you know for sure that the YouTube movie is as ITV broadcast it or has someone edited in the repeats of the Israeli army spokesman for extra effect?

(I may be in touch with ITV about this.)

Zombie- You hit it out of the park.

But you miss a bit on the bullet damage. If you were in a vehicle hit by that many bullets you would be hamburger. Some of the bullet holes could only have been made by large caliber machine gun bullets (.50 cal/ 12.7mm), then you have some midesize holes and then you have some small bullet holes.
Now this is interesting because the the next sizes of bullets tyrpically found in military arms are 7.62 (kalashnikov), .223 (M-16) and 9 mm.

I can promise you that it would take an attack helicopter AND and a transport helicopter at the same time and soldiers firing a variety of weapons into the roof of the vehicle that to acheive such a pattern.

There is no single military aircraft fielded by Israel today that has all of those variety of calibers on board. Moreover the marksmanship required to create the pattern to get that many hits on a moving vehicle from a flying helicopter is not easy. The smaller holes are .223 or 9mm, it does not really matter because you'd have to be right on top of the car to hit it. But clearly a burst of .50 cal and or .762, if the big guns were used, they would have killed everyone in the vehicle requiring no one to come in and decorate the top with more bullets.

They don't specify what type of Israeli aircraft hit the ambulances but Israeli jets shoot either 20mm or 30mm shells, never both. 20s and 30s are huge cannon bullets and they would have splattered their targets all over the cabin and likely have set off a gas tank fire. Jets don't fire 7.62 ever.

So that takes us to helicopters which shoot can 30mm cannon, 12.7mm and 7.62 machinegun rounds but they don't normallly fire 9mm or .223 round unless the pilot and/or passengers are firing out the side but such fire is only done when the aircraft is in danger of being shot down. Helicopters are vulnerable to small arms fire so pilots tend to keep way from ground fire which means the helicopter would not close within the 200 meters of the ambulance to have a chance at hitting it with small arms. They would not stay close enough long enough to shoot up an ambulance.

Moreover, Israel does not usually send in transport helicopters to attack multiple vehicles, they would use attack helicopters that don't shoot small caliber bullets or a jet which also doesn't shoot small stuff at all.

Israel's pilots are so good that absent a rare miss AND the pilot being completely out of ammo, it is almost inconcievable to imagine a situation in which a helicopter would be sent in to finish an airstrike.

Whatever target attack craft are aiming for, are destroyed 90% of the time with the first round. If there was a miss, they would never send in a transport helicopter to finish off a vehicle, they would send in another fighter jet or attack helicopter with cataclysmic rsults for the target: with modern weapons no vehicle survives two airstrikes.

Finally there is the angle of attack discrepancy. There are a variety of rockets that helicopters and warplanes can fire but they would hit the vehicle from the side; unless the ambulance was on a steep (45%+) hill when it was hit, a "down the pipe" shot from overhead is all but impossible. There are special rockets and artillery that do "top attack" but they are designed to take out tanks and armored vehicles- if used against ambulances, these deadly munitions would flame and shred the target.

Anyone with any formal military aviation will back me up on this but it is a hands down lock that no single Israeli aircraft could do this particular damage. And no ambulance would survive the damage they actually do.

In fact, the damage leads us to occams razor- the only logical thing that could do the damage we see is a rag tag bunch of terrorists shooting up an ambulance for propaganda purposes.

Zombie you know I am one of your biggest fans, I hope this helps.

It's Zombie's MSM Hammer. Excellent work. Clear, dispassionate, concise.

Zombie, I suggest you put a summary of the conclusion up on top of the page. For, y'know, the Reuters types with ADD. The old adage is "tell'm what you're going to tell'm, tell'm, then tell'm what you told'm." And separate out the line or two you most want quoted, and make sure that's at the top, too. Never underestimate the laziness of the press.

(yeah, they may not read past the early claim, just dispute it, but at least they'll maybe spell your name right, and you're not responsible for their lack of analytic capability)

Absolutely illuminating.

Amazing job, Zombie!

#40 zombie

Shiess! Due to traffic overload already, I can't upload some key updates. FTP frozen.

C'est la vie.

Temporarily post 'em somewhere else! Like here!

Ahhh, found a workaround. I have now added the "parking lot smash-up scene" pursuant to reader reclommendations. (Near the bottom, with the links.)

On the roof of the "ambulance" #782, I noticed a pair of long scratches (or indentations) parallel to one of the swaths of the red cross. One is in front of it, one behind it. They appear to go all the way across, laterally.

That is not the sort of roof damage one can expect from an Israeli bomb. It IS the sort of roof damage that the baseframe of a heavy anti-aircraft or anti-tank gun unit might make, when an ambulance is used as a mobile platform for such.

I've had as company cars two VW (in this country ) Vanagons (known elsewhere as T3, 3rd generation Transporter).

That hole in the roof is from the factory, my vans had a crank up "skylight" vent.

Both the 1981 & 1986 had those "holes".

Nice catch & page, z.

Zombie:

As a researcher and a scientist, I can tell you this work would stand up to some of the most rigorous challenges...You most elegantly use the scientific method to support and prove your hypotheses...

Your collective body of work is truly outstanding...

Kudos, zombie! But just today I was talking with my son about the way that the moonbats can look at hard evidence, and turn around and deny that it exists!

must control desire to smack the back of their heads...

OT

Britain loosens belt, begins to slide down pants:

Bank pioneers Islamic student account

Lloyds TSB has become the first UK bank to launch a student account specifically for Muslim undergraduates.
The account adheres to Islamic shariah law, which says that no interest can be paid or received on money and bans investment in certain industries such as alcohol or gambling.

In accordance with these rules, money held in the accounts will be kept separate from other funds in the bank, which may be invested in unsuitable areas, and the account will not pay interest on credit balances, paid at 0.1% on standard student accounts, or charge interest on debit balances.

Walit a minute. Many of those "holes" are surrounded by circles of missing/darkened paint.

Do bullets do that, or do they just leave clean holes in thin sheetmetal?

#46 greenmamba
Zombie:

Do you know for sure that the YouTube movie is as ITV broadcast it or has someone edited in the repeats of the Israeli army spokesman for extra effect?

(I may be in touch with ITV about this.)

Excellent question. I've watched that video 50 times by now, and I still can't tell if the repeated scenes of the Israeli guy were in the original report, or added by the blogger who uploaded it. If it was indeed in the original report, then that news segment seems more like a Monty Python skit than something serious. Beyond outrageous. But it may just be a little gag added at the end by the uploader. Can't say for sure.

holy crap abolitionist (#54).

Zombie you've GOT to put that in

Great work, Zombie.

#56 ted

Zombie:

As a researcher and a scientist, I can tell you this work would stand up to some of the most rigorous challenges...You most elegantly use the scientific method to support and prove your hypotheses...

Your collective body of work is truly outstanding...

Uses capabilities of informational computing too...with multiple links....something MSM never seems to do!

Bravo!

In sheet metal, bullets normally dent the metal and take off the surrounding paint, especially if shot from very close or far. You can get a clean hole from a few yards off sometimes.

#47 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

...In fact, the damage leads us to occams razor- the only logical thing that could do the damage we see is a rag tag bunch of terrorists shooting up an ambulance for propaganda purposes.

Zombie you know I am one of your biggest fans, I hope this helps.

Superb. I'm linking to it now, along with Earth2moonbat's pickaxe speculation.

Awesome job, Zombie.

Pathetic job, MSM.

Something doesn't add up.

The whole roof of that ambulance is irregularly dented, like a bunch of bricks were dropped on it. What did that?

If those were big bullets...wouldn't you expect them to have penetrated the floor (can't see many things looking like floor holes) and flattened a tire or two?

Such childishness.

The MSM and their dopey liberal dupes are stuck in the 5th grade, worshipping the "villians" who "oppose authority"

Oooooo, we oppose all authority and government ooooooo we hate Bush and Israel ooooooo we're such fucking rebels

Shame that their heroes are babykilling psychopaths

Could those roof holes and dents been caused by falling debris eg concrete, not bullets? Look at the environment in the picture here.

I can't believe those evil Zionists would stoop so low as to steal ambulance lights.

And they took the tires too!

No wonder the peace-loving Hezbo's want them dead.

Zombie - One more comment:

The climate in Lebanon is such that it's highly unlikely that they had any rain since March, or April at the latest. And while the humidity is high, that visible rust couldn't have happened if bare metal was exposed in the summer months. So your observation about the rust is correct, but it's more correct that you may even realize. That thing was like that since winter.

I know this has already been said so many times, but... ZOMBIE ROCKS!

Barbero, deputy director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it would be inappropriate to specify when, where and how many Iranians have been training Iraqi insurgents.

Hit Zombie's tip jar:

use paypal to zombie@zombietime.com

/cause he'll never say it

#71 TMF . . .

The MSM and their dopey liberal dupes are stuck in the 5th grade, worshipping the "villians" who "oppose authority"

You really summed them up, didn't you. Childish know-it-alls who never grew up.

And their parents are so proud of them. I know the parents of one of these MSM types, and they don't have a clue as to just how incompetent their little pet (50-year-old pet) really is.

Great work, zombie. That's a keeper.

Z! Excellent work, great job!

I'll back up #54's comment that the roof hole in question is a standard production feature of all models of VW Vanagon/T3s.

I'd also like to mention that when the ambulance story first broke, GreenHelmetGuy was in attendance, and the ambulance in question was not a VW Vanagon/T3. It was very clearly a GM/Chevy pick-up chassis with an ambulance box.

The roof damage to the Vanagon shown appears to be from shrapnel. It is most certainly not from a single direct hit, of any kind.

I'd also like to add that, as a safety design feature that VW is justifibly proud of, Vanagon windshields are designed to blow outward, under almost any kind of impact.

BODY
SHOPS,
R

I have shot an SKS and Makarov 9x18mm that make holes very similar to those in the side of a washing machine. ;)

#47 Ayatollah Ghilmeini + Earth2Moonbat

Thanks for the suggestions regarding the holes in the roof. I have now added this paragraph to the "Exaggerated Bullets" section at the end:

Another critical point: a single blast from a helicopter gunship could not possibly leave the widely varying hole sizes seen on the roof, and Israeli aircraft could not leave holes with that angle of impact, as pointed out in this comment on Little Green Footballs. A much more likely explanation, as some commenters pointed out, is that the holes were either caused by blows from a pickaxe, or by a variety of small arms fire from people shooting from close range -- both of which would leave the variety of holes seen in the picture.

It links to comment #47.

Truly amazing work, Zombie. You never cease to "wow" us.

Nice work zombie.

There were some very high resolution images of that first ambulance (4MB or so) photograph too on [Link: www.icrc.org....] It showed that the rust looked old, it wasn't just surface spots.

#81 Render

The roof damage to the Vanagon shown appears to be from shrapnel. It is most certainly not from a single direct hit, of any kind.

That makes the most sense of anything.

#49 itellu3times
Zombie, I suggest you put a summary of the conclusion up on top of the page

I think I did that in the title of the piece itself:

How the Media Legitimized an Anti-Israel Hoax and Changed the Course of a War

But yes, there will be a Cliff's Notes version in a day or two, when I finally update my overall "Fraud" page, which will mention this hoax as well, in abbreviated form.

Zombie,
once again, great work, all I can say is:

pwned

well, that and:

all your hoax are belong to us!

rsquare

Ot...........

Assad-Iran-Region
Syria's President Bashar al-Assad reiterated here on Wednesday that Iran's role in the sensitive Middle East region is both quite significant and totally positive.

Assad made the comment in an interview with Dubai Satellite TV, adding, "The fact that Iran is a leading role in the region has roots in the will of the regional nations."
Criticizing those Arab countries that are opposed to Iran's role playing in regional developments, he said, "Before criticizing Iran's role in Iraq, those countries had better find out whether the Iraqi nation is agreed with Iran's role there, or not."
The Syrian President reiterated, "Beyond doubt, Iran's role in Iraq is in line with the will of the Iraqi nation."
President Assad meanwhile praised the Lebanese resistance movement, saying, "Some Arab leaders tried to overshadow their own regime's inaction at the scene by criticizing Iran's support for Hezbollah."
The Syrian leader stressed, "Before criticizing the involvement of others at regional scenes we had better contemplate on our own totally passive role in them, and the reasons behind it."
Bashar al-Assad reiterated, "Iran plays a totally positive role in sensitive Middle East region, and this role has roots in Iran's long history, as of ancient times."
He added, "Yet, the presence of some powers in the region is temporary, such as the presence of Israel, with the naughty policies it pursues, and the United States, that relying on its status, as a superpower, interferes in various nations' affairs."
President Assad concluded his remarks expressing certainty that in the eyes of the entire regional nations the conduct of those two regimes is loathsome

At some point Iran will set the Mahdi Army loose..Like rabid dogs. [Link: www.irna.ir...]

Yaknow..

All those irregular roof dents still not well explained...

like people had been jumping up and down on the roof of the ambulance....a celebration?

#54 abolitionist

On the roof of the "ambulance" #782, I noticed a pair of long scratches (or indentations) parallel to one of the swaths of the red cross. One is in front of it, one behind it. They appear to go all the way across, laterally.

That is not the sort of roof damage one can expect from an Israeli bomb. It IS the sort of roof damage that the baseframe of a heavy anti-aircraft or anti-tank gun unit might make, when an ambulance is used as a mobile platform for such.

I hear ya, but frankly, I think it's just creases in the sheet metal from when the vehicle was manufactured. Not a strong enough theory to include, imho.

Zombie,
If FoxNews uses this one you'd better get a check...or else ask for a job application.

Great job Zombie! Any chance of this showing up on Fox? We all know the MSM is playing deaf.

A pickaxe makes no sense. You'd have uniform holes. Besides, trying to withdraw a pickaxe from sheet isn't easy. A lot of back and forth until the head comes free. It's shrapnel

As Emeril would say, "BAM!"

I guess the best that can come from this is that all claims of this sort from Hell'sBollocks will be treated with skepticism in future conflicts.

Not by the MSM *spit* of course, but by sane people.

Good work, zombie. The propagandameisters of the MSM will be forced into another cover up and spinfest to bury this one. Remember when the media tried to report facts? Really, kids. And we walked ten miles to the school in snow, uphill, both ways.

Spengler's latest, Peacekeepers of Penzance, including the demographics of civilizational collapse is worth a read.

Geez! The REAL media, a REAL journalist. Please God, make Zombie the Dean of the U.C. Berkely Graduate School of Journalism.

And yes hit the tip jar for Zombie everyone.

Zombie:

In a world that wasn't as deranged and psychotic as it is now, your work would easily get a Pulitzer or a Columbia Journalism award, but that would be an insult to you...

Whats needed is a recognition of outstanding work on the blogosphere, sort of like Media Research Centers ,Most Outrageous Liberal Bias Awards...Charles, Michelle, Matt, Ann, Rush etc are you listening?

ZOMBIE AKBAR!

Just one question re the rust, Zombie. The rust could be entirely independent of this incident (assuming there was one). That is, the vehicle could have been rusted before the roof was damaged in other ways, couldn't it?

#85 QueeQueeg
There were some very high resolution images of that first ambulance (4MB or so) photograph too on [Link: www.icrc.org....] It showed that the rust looked old, it wasn't just surface spots.

Please! Find me the direct links! That would be very good to have. I can't find them on the generic home page link you provided.

#15 fjordman

How do you say IRONY or REVOLTING in your language?

That is sickening.

*spit*

So that's what investigative journalism looks like.

Bravo, zombie - a fantastic debunking.

#62 zombie

Response noted, thanks and excellent work. I followed that incident and there were previous rebuttals but yours clinches it.

Hmm..I think I would like to add this to my previous comments:

ULULULULULULULULU

/throwing candy and serving sweet tea

#69 buzzsawmonkey
Yes, maybe for a rocket launcher, like one here, or an array of them, as illustrated here (scroll down). What? Those aren't microphones?

101 zombie

Alright...I give up....now show some of the newbies some real photo's...

Scrotum guy.

:)

Absolutely wonderful, Zombie. Beautifully organized and dispassionate to boot (and I'm not sure which of those is the more difficult to achieve). You are really a wonder.

Let's e-mail the link to Reuters...and all media that we know.

I'm gonna send it to everyone in my media contacts...

#94 bonz
A pickaxe makes no sense. You'd have uniform holes. Besides, trying to withdraw a pickaxe from sheet isn't easy. A lot of back and forth until the head comes free. It's shrapnel

I amended the section to include your observation. Thx.

#44 Luigi 8/23/2006 04:03PM PDT
By the way, those who say the current war has gone on longer than World War Two are just wrong. Worse, they have a totally unsophisticated, US-centric, and ignorant view of history.

World War Two did not start on December 7, 1941 when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. It actually started at least 5 years earlier. In the spring of 1936 German troops occupied the Rhineland, and Mussolini's Italian forces took Ethiopia. In 1938 Chamberlain appeased Hitler at Munich, German troops occupied the Sudetenland, and the Czech government resigned. Oh yes, Kristallnacht also happened in '38.

So, the time between the first German military action -- the Rhineland -- and Pearl Harbor was about the same amount of time between 911 and now. Maybe for us Pearl Harbor hasn't happened yet.

In his history of the Second World War, W. S. Churchill referred to WWII as the final act of a modern Thirty Years War, which started in 1914.

#100 JustMyView
Just one question re the rust, Zombie. The rust could be entirely independent of this incident (assuming there was one). That is, the vehicle could have been rusted before the roof was damaged in other ways, couldn't it?

That's exactly the point I'm trying to make in the report:

The presence of rust on every part of the roof where the paint has been scratched away proves that the damage to the metal happened long before July 23 -- most likely several months earlier, or more.

And later:

Two ambulances that had been somehow damaged long before the July Israel-Hezbollah conflict even began were dragged out of a salvage yard, where they had been rusting for months or years.

101 zombie

Alright...your the best...is that better.

Now show the really good pictures.

:)

#102 Writermom: It's called ironi. Probably a French word or something.

Zombie: I hope this gets a wider audience. But this always happens after the damage has already been done. It just proves how easily, willingly, Western journalists believe every piece of nonsense Muslims feed them, as long as it's directed against Israel.

#109 WriterMom

Let's e-mail the link to Reuters...and all media that we know.

I'm gonna send it to everyone in my media contacts...

Good idea!

Zombie,

All this time I was impressed with the accuracies of the Israeli missiles that struck this ambulance right in the middle of the X.

Now you show me that it is a stove pipe hole.

That is the cover I put on my wood stove shaft. Those circular covers with screw holes can be purchased at home depot.

Lies like this cause my ass to crave stove wood,
BURNS ME UP. lo

/And the media sucked this up like a hot stove drawing fresh air.

#41 storagemanager

and yet the world is mostly clueless about the enormity of the problem that a nuke-capable Iran poses.

Light colored rust is the rust you get after a good rain and some heat.

That rust was old and darker.

I know...I used to own a volare'. The enitre trunk on each side rusted out due to bad metal.

This past weekend, I had a fire in my fire pit which is cheap metal.

I left it out overnight and it rained. When the sun hit it...a day later...I got that powdery light colored rust that you get when steel first oxidizes.

I ain't a scientist, or a chemist....but I am good with bono on a rusted trunk.

#114 Fjordman

Zombie: I hope this gets a wider audience. But this always happens after the damage has already been done.

I hope it does too. And though this debunking may indeed be after the fact, it's still not too late. If the word gets around extensively enough and fast enough, the record can be set straight. And perhaps it will enable Israel to no longer worry about the MSM's lies, and to keep fighting as long as it needs to.

#112 zombie

#100 JustMyView
Just one question re the rust, Zombie. The rust could be entirely independent of this incident (assuming there was one). That is, the vehicle could have been rusted before the roof was damaged in other ways, couldn't it?

That's exactly the point I'm trying to make in the report:

Right, but my point was that the rust might be irrelevant to whether the incident occurred as has been reported, rather than evidence that the incident did not occur.

That is, the roof could have been rusted whether the incident occurred or not. The existence of the rust doesn't prove that the incident didn't occur as described.

Make sense?

OK, my fiends, I must log off for a while. The real world beckons!

If this report achieves anything, I hope it serves to inspire more people to join the counter-jihad, heart and soul.

You can make a difference!

That tv reporter made my skin crawl. The first guy with his:

ITV host: Well we've seen it there, haven't we, Captain Delall? This can't go on, this indiscriminate slaughter of Lebanese civilians.

If only they would react half as much when it's innocent Israelis. And I can't believe the dude sounds so incredulous that an ambulance could be used for nefarious purposes.

ITV reporter Julian Manyon: ...On the face of it, it is difficult to understand just how the Israeli military could possibly have mistaken two clearly marked ambulances for a legitimate military target. ...

Islam has never used that trick before.

(Tap dancing...looking to get noticed by Zombie)

(Waving his arm....ME ME ME!)

#120 JustMyView

Make sense?

I understand your question, but rust just wouldn't form underneath the paint. The rust only started to form AFTER the roof was damaged, because it was the damage that scratched off the paint and exposed the metal.

And since the rust is extensive and dark, it means the damage to the roof must have happened a long time ago.

Zombie can you put a counter/tracker on [Link: www.zombietime.com...] ?

It would be interesting to see hits from news media domains.

Damn.

Got to settle for just Charles autograph.

He was soooo...last week.

:)

#123 scoreboard44 8/23/2006 05:12PM PDT

(Tap dancing...looking to get noticed by Zombie)

(Waving his arm....ME ME ME!)

You're the last person I wave to as I walk out the door.....!

Zombie, that was extremely well done. I hope this receives wide coverage. I now think that the phony press coverage was going on for a very long time and since it was never exposed, they got very sloppy and just starting trying every dumb old thing. And the MSM just went with it. Are we to believe the MSM had not seen actual missile damage to vehicles? Pleeeeeze.

BINGO! 4MB Image of the roof (it's on that web page):

[Link: www.icrc.org...]

Direct link to image (in ZIP file):

[Link: www.icrc.org...]

A very good read..

Many thanks Zombie

Well....I always got the Tigers.

#105 WriterMom

/throwing candy and serving sweet tea

Thanks WriterMom! I hope there's some chocolate in there :)

#116 ibmkeyboard

Lies like this cause my ass to crave stove wood,
BURNS ME UP. lo

/And the media sucked this up like a hot stove drawing fresh air.

I love how you put things :)

Zombie, you da zombie. We are all inspired by you.

127 zombie

(Faints.)

#120 JustMyView

The existence of the rust doesn't prove that the incident didn't occur as described.

By itself, no, it doesn't. But it does support all the other overwhelming evidence.

Zombie's Hez'bollah Bloopers And Out-takes!

/Far Out, Zombie!

OT, sort of
"War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the
sooner it will be over."
-William Tecumseh Sherman

"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them
all they want."
- General William T. Sherman

135 Amalie

Zombie's Hez'bollah Bloopers And Out-takes!

Oh that was perfect :)

120 justmyview and 124 zombie

Not to mention that a badly rusted roof would likely have collapsed if hit by ordnance large enough to make big holes I think.

So that this doesn't get lost in the thread here, I'll post it again:

BINGO! 4MB Image of the roof (it's on that web page):

[Link: www.icrc.org...]

Direct link to image (in ZIP file):

[Link: www.icrc.org...]

Nice one, Live4Truth. Sorry for the lack of a direct link Zombie, the link I had in my history was bad.

Every little helps :)

I think I've figured it out. Zombie is neither a man nor a woman. Zombie is actually an organization, with many operatives. No way can a single human do all of what Zombie does. Without serious drugs, that is.

Zombie is obviously a major agency in the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy!

Rove, you magnificent bastard!

But seriously....

Brav{o Mr. /a Mme. } Zombie! You've laid out an irrefutable case.

Too much excitment for one night.

Good night folks.

(staggers out)

The Lebanese Red Cross has just hired Mary Mapes as special consultants to explain these discrepencies.

Mapes - Stop criticizing the Red Cross for photographing in the day time. Just because these photos were taken in the day time doesn't prove your case. [Notice the alternative universe strawman defense she employed in Rathergate. Just because I used faxed copies does not prove the documents were fake. I am only guilty of using faxed copies.]

In the roof image at [Link: www.icrc.org...] they don't even look like holes. Some gashes but no bullet holes. Round dents?

Just checking in.

Damn, zombie, you kick ass.

Checking out.

#87 zombie

#49 itellu3times
Zombie, I suggest you put a summary of the conclusion up on top of the page

I think I did that in the title of the piece itself:

How the Media Legitimized an Anti-Israel Hoax and Changed the Course of a War

Of course, and I think I owe you an apology for my tone.

Never underestimate my laziness, either, I had to actually exhaust myself by scrolling down, to get to the description of the actuality, although the closeup of the "hole" was pretty self-explanatory esp to the cynical, in context. "Great stuff!" is what I should have put at the top of MY message! Take my own advice? Heh.

quick picture,
medal rings that hold this shaft together

[Link: www.homedepot.com...]

Nice to have people with that kind of talent keeping tabs on the propaganda media. MSM probably should be changed to BSM.

Is the media that gullible -- or does it have a political bias?

They are gullible with a political bias.

Either way, its credibility has now been lost.

Just now? Only the DU and Kos kidz are hanging on to every anti-Bush anti-American sentiment.

wrong picture.

[Link: www.hotline-chimneys.co.uk...]

#120 JustMyView

Zombie explains in great detail, in her expose, and in Post #124, why the rust is relevant. Please go back and re-read it both #124, and the original article.

Are you trying to hijack the thread by sidetracking us all into a meaningless discussion about rust formation?

Absolutely fantastic work. Zombie should do this full-time. Let's fund him!

M-M
I had to put up stove pipe for 3 days,
can you tell.
lol
These medal clamps hold piping to hot stove,
If the screws dont melt.

/winter is coming,
store plenty of chocolate..

I would encourage everyone to send the link to ANY non-moonbat publication or web site they are familiar with.

#121 zombie

You can make a difference!

So true.

Like the Zionist Joooos sing:

I'm tirzu
Ein zo agada

If you will it-it is no dream!

Two ears and the tail. Zombie, you da' ZOMBIE.

I can't help but think that little trick Julian or some editor did with the Israeli PIO was intentional. If you'll note the sequencing of Julian's accusations/assertions, they are designed to leave the impression that the captain, and thus Israel, is lying. It's like Hitler's jig at the Versailles railway car, just more visual mendacity

justmyview...how is that view from Ireland, anyway?

BTW, I hope this link is going to every U.S./U.K. media ombudsman/woman's e-mail inbox.

#156 funky chicken

ROFL...everything just depends on your POINT OF VIEW.

from the 4 MB roof pic blown up, I'd say what we have is a lot of rust spots, some slashes, lots of tiny dents (scattered whitish irregular shapes) and few holes.

At [Link: www.zombietime.com...] I think most of what we see in the lower right is just rust spots. The big holes at the lower left are jagged.

This thing had a large amount of concrete or something heavy (creating the irregular overall shape due to big dents) and debris dropped on it (little dents). I'm not so sure about bullets from the high res photo at all.

Zombie:

I read through your detailed work and found myself having to go back and reread a couple of parts - not because I didn't understand what you wrote, but because it was so well crafted and the arguments are laid out exceptionally well.

A most impressive piece of work.

Thanks for sharing it with the rest of us.

Great work Zombie.

I would bet that ITV, AP, and “Red Cross” employees know exactly how this bit of propaganda was made. All of the above must know who made the amateur video and how to contact him. They know the whole story. Sooner or later it will leak out.

zombie,

Please remember that your "opinion" is no more or less, "right" than anyone else's oppinion.

El Presidente Bush staged 9/11, cuz he hates "muslims" don'tcha know? (Even though he won't name the enemy.)

And this "evidence" of yours about Israel denying missle attacks is just as fake/valid as anyone else's opinion.

great job, Zombie!

When I first saw the photos, I wondered how a hole that big could do such minor (none) damage to the inside! How can ANY journalist possibly see that and believe it wasn't faked?

The day of believing anything in the MSM is ...so ova!

So can Zombie be nominated for a Pulitzer for the this - or is that just for fake news stories?

I love it when all the truly BEST people are on our side. Zombie is a glorious warrior for freedom, and should be so honored.

#159 sss111

I'm with you. In the hi-rez image, the damage looks like it may have been the result of debris falling from a concrete building which was blown up.

really grumpy. Did you ever get through to the FBI about your cell phone idea?

Zombie it even has the screw holes.

[Link: www.zombietime.com...]

Fng ROCKET with a 4 inch drill attached.

BHAHAHAHWHAHAH

For comparison purposes…

The former Danish military Vanagon ambulance:

[Link: www.armyvehicles.dk...]

[Link: www.armyvehicles.dk...]

Note the roof mounted ventilation stacks, painted very red (assuming the links work).

The company that made these conversions for the Danish military no longer uses VWs, having switched to the larger more powerful Mercedes, which is based on a light truck chassis.

===

I'm not a pro and don't claim to be, but, I'm gonna say it again and I think the pros will back me up...

That looks like a shrapnel hit, either from a near miss high up on a building, or an airburst. Whatever it was, it absolutely did not explode on or after impact with that ambulance, or we would not be able to identify the remains as those of an ambulance, or any other particular civilian pattern vehicle.

If it was a near miss, then the Israelis obviously aren't intentionally targeting ambulances (they rarely miss). Or somebody primed a grenade and lobbed it up on the roof - explaining the random size and pattern of the holes, but not the atypical of the area rust.

Or, this one has been sitting in a junkyard, (certain Vanagon mechanical parts are becoming tough to find), where HizbAllah goons have been plinking away at it with small arms fire for the last couple of years or so...Hence the rust and random calibers.

===

Something else to add...

When the Marines were bombed in '83, ambulances from the Shia/Amal sectors began their 15 to 25 minute journey to the Marine base at Beirut International Airport, a full ten minutes before the bomb went off and were among the first ambulances to arrive at the scene.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, GreenHelmetGuy works with GMC/Chevy pattern ambulances. So which crew is running the Vanagons?

ITS ALL
SECONDHAND,
R

O/T
This might be the funniest thing I have ever seen

Denis Leary hates Mel Gibson

[Link: www.veoh.com...]

Go get 'em Zombie!

Great analysis. Thanks Zombie and Charles for all you do to help all of us in this war against terror. Keeping the msm feet to the fire is opening eyes of middle-of-the-road folks world-wide, to what is really going on.

j

Incisive, clear, dispassionate, thorough and accurate! All this and still concise!

Kudos, Zombie, BIGTIME!

Karridine

#44 luigi

And if you calculate in the Pacific, the Japanese took over part of China in 1931, and set up Pu Yi as their puppet, making Harbin their provisional capital. They then proceeded to invade the rest of China in 1937. It was another four years before their coordinated attacks on Pearl Harbor and throughout Asia.

OT:Jill Carroll update..
Part 9: The Muj brothers

Through all the weeks and months I hadn't prayed. I thought it would be hypocritical. All of my extended family is Catholic, but I hadn't been to church in a long time. I hadn't grown up with much religion, in fact. But I needed to calm myself. I knew that my family and friends were doing all they could for me, but it just wasn't enough anymore. They were out there, and I was here alone. OK, I thought, I'll ask God for strength and patience.

"God, thank you for getting me through all these days so far," I began. "Please just give me the strength to keep going.

"Stay with my family right now and sit with them and give them strength.

"I know I never used to come to You before and it's bad of me to come to You now when I really need it.

"Please, just stay with me right now. Just stay with me right now and don't leave me."

Outstanding work by LGF's prime operative.

For newcomers: A high-resolution image of the roof can be found in post #139.

And my theory on what caused the damage: Falling concrete debris.

Outstanding work, Zombie!

Excellent work zombie. Could you clear up something for me? I was watching the YouTube video when something caught my eye. I started it over and stopped it at 11 seconds in. Who is the guy on the right helping the supposedly wounded ambulance driver? He resembles Green Helmet Guy, only with a Red Cross helmet. Is that truly him? If so, how the heck did he manage to be at yet another scene of destruction? He sure does get around. Compare the picture at 11 seconds into your video with the YouTube video under "Green Helmet Guy Admits Staging Photos" here at LGF. Stop that one at 23 seconds. They look quite similar, but then again, I could be totally wrong. I just wanted to satisfy my own curiosity. Thanks for all the great work.

Everybody: Also email this to as many non-moonbat Israeli sites, magazines, newspapers, IDF etc:

Its important to let them know too we are aware of the puke the MSM passes off as journalism

Shameless plug for Zombie groupie gear. Regular and no frills.

Zombie, that refutation is brillliant. Israel, Mossad, whoever, needs to hire you, Charles, and friends as their media Sherlocks to analyze the hezbo fauxtos. Then broadcast the Truth over and over again in newspapers and on tv.

But I swear there's a change happening. A good friend from the northeast, privileged, pc, multicultural, said she was fed up with the nyt, she was horrified that Lieberman lost (her husband's Jewish) and that anti-semitism and jihadis seem to be everywhere. Her sister told her that in Vermont, it was the "thing" to side with hamas and the hezbos. I never thought she would ever be talking like this.

And other liberal friends are waking up. The simpering article in the last Atlantic Monthly about the American taliban, an immoral descent into slavish dhimmitude by some nihilistic narcissistic writer (whose name I blocked after reading the article) turned out to be just the weapon to wake them up too.

Hey Zombie, I bet this makes your mouth water, I only wish we could see the exhibit !

"We are all aware of the very sensitive and decisive role of news and photo (media) during a war," he said, adding that news is an account of information while a journalistic photo displays the comprehensive account of an event.

[Link: www.irna.ir...]

Excellent. zombie is the best.

OT - Hi! All. I'mmm Baaack!

Mcgyver, out

I nominate Zombie as the:

Most High Grand Exaulted Mainstream Media Slayer and Defender of the Lizard Nation!

Do I hear a second?

Y'all can stop arguing over when WW2 started anytime now. It started on Dec 7th 1942.

Not to disparge all the fighting that happened between 1918 and 1942, and there was a lot of it, (Russia, Poland, the Balkans, Turkey, Greece in the teens and twenties).

The rude reintroduction of the US into the war is what made the war truely worldly.

Call it what you want, but our hemisphere was peaceful until Dec 7th.

OPINED,
R

1942?

#170 BabbaZee

ROTFLMFAO!

You couldn't have set that up intentionally any better with that final throw out. Excellent. ;^D

#189 Render

Psssst!^{it was 1941}

"Remember when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor...?"

"Ssssssh, he's on a roll..."

184 Mcgyver

Well are ya in or are ya out? Shut the door, whatever you do ;-)

/mom mode

#167

I did in fact speak to an agent regarding this. He very matter-of-factly noted my concerns and indicated that they are exploring a lot of possibilities. He thanked me for contacting them and said he would put in a report.

Haven't heard a word since, but I noticed just days later a blurb of Fox News (which I never saw repeated even once) that Homeland is considering banning ALL electronics and batteries from planes.

As in, not in the passenger compartment, not in the baggage department. NO ELECTRONICS, NO BATTERIES.

Makes perfect sense to me, and a large industries could grow up to minimize the impact of such a decision.

I like it, in every way. I cannot think of a simpler and less expensive way to greatly increase safety on airline flights.

#169 Render 8/23/2006 05:46PM PDT

For comparison purposes…

The former Danish military Vanagon ambulance:

[Link: www.armyvehic......]

[Link: www.armyvehic......]

Note the roof mounted ventilation stacks, painted very red (assuming the links work).

The company that made these conversions for the Danish military no longer uses VWs, having switched to the larger more powerful Mercedes, which is based on a light truck chassis.

===

I'm not a pro and don't claim to be, but, I'm gonna say it again and I think the pros will back me up...

That looks like a shrapnel hit, either from a near miss high up on a building, or an airburst. Whatever it was, it absolutely did not explode on or after impact with that ambulance, or we would not be able to identify the remains as those of an ambulance, or any other particular civilian pattern vehicle.

If it was a near miss, then the Israelis obviously aren't intentionally targeting ambulances (they rarely miss). Or somebody primed a grenade and lobbed it up on the roof - explaining the random size and pattern of the holes, but not the atypical of the area rust.

Or, this one has been sitting in a junkyard, (certain Vanagon mechanical parts are becoming tough to find), where HizbAllah goons have been plinking away at it with small arms fire for the last couple of years or so...Hence the rust and random calibers.

===

Something else to add...

When the Marines were bombed in '83, ambulances from the Shia/Amal sectors began their 15 to 25 minute journey to the Marine base at Beirut International Airport, a full ten minutes before the bomb went off and were among the first ambulances to arrive at the scene.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, GreenHelmetGuy works with GMC/Chevy pattern ambulances. So which crew is running the Vanagons?

Render...

Terrific info.

Damn! I can't even get numbers right, let alone text effects...

6patrick6, I second the motion. All in favor, say aye. I'm sure there won't be any opposed.

(a tumultuous aye rumbles down the superhighway)

omg...

how mortifying.

41
OF
COURSE,
R

#193 Amalie

Truncated linky no worky....

A WNDT?

#188 Hucbald
It was perfection!
Almost a miracle, LOL!~
That Jewish GOD fellow sure loves a good laugh...

Have a good night LGF, see ya in the morning

/I'll be reposting that on the dead thread for sure!

And a racous roar raised high from the enthusiastic crowd, as Zombie assumes the title afore mentioned in my post #185...

All hail Zombie!

(sounds of applause, cheers and music playing!)

psssssstt... Earth2moonbat... #169

#199 BabbaZee ~ you better! That was fabulous :D

#194 christheprofessor

Damn! I can't even get numbers right, let alone text effects...

Try this: Blinky

{m}

Wooohoooo! A WNDT (not the first, I might add, though it's been a while)...

I AM ZOMBIECUS

Hah!

Good Work Zombie!
MSM will pounce in 3... 2...

#202 E2M

That, or proofready (PIMFY?)....

FREE MUMIA TO GAZA!

#164 - Distant Thunder: Respectfully, Sir/Ma'am, but with the recent few decades' worth of political abuse of the Pulitzer, I would NOT favor foisting it on Zombie, even if "Zombie asked me to accept on Zombie's behalf, because the race, sex and eye-color of Zombie must remain secret..."

DEPORT THE CHI TOWN GUEST NOW!

#180 ted

Everybody: Also email this to as many non-moonbat Israeli sites, magazines, newspapers, IDF etc:

I just commented on Jerusalem on-line, and
J. post.

YO CHI TOWN CHICK: YOU LIKE CANADA?

#204 {christheprofessor}!

Wooohoooo! A WNDT (not the first, I might add, though it's been a while)...

Okay, who had Wednesday's?

/picturing ibm'er with the little sleeve thingie and suspenders :D
Sorry Ibmkeyboard! I had no control over it!

Any of you guys read Sports Illustrated or ESPN magazine? I'm looking for input on which would be less likely to cause me to scream at it because of moonbattishness in editorials.

And yes, I do know about the swimsuit thingy.

You know, Zombie. People lay a lot of props on you for your work, so sometimes I lay back with it. You seem to have a humility about you that suggests all the high praise could get embarrassing.

That being said, you rule! This has to be your best work yet. I'm talking about the kind of stuff that could one day be in text books. I hold you in high regard but you have really outdone yourself. Wow!

Incredible work Zombie, as always.

215 funky chicken
On the other side of the coin~ you can't pick up a frikkin Cosmo without raising your blood pressure. Luckily my subscription finally ran out. They'll not get another penny from me. They were terrible during the elections in 04.

I wouldn't have thought you would have to worry about it in a Sports Illustrated though.

192 really grumpy big dog johnson:

I can understand that move to ban all such electronics from all flights given the difficulty in screening for potential threats, but considering how poorly security screeners are at detecting electronics and test images (see hot air) I wonder just how effective this would be and how it would make air travel that much more unpalatable.

Banning all electronics might improve the odds that screeners find potential hazards, but the screening will still have to be done on all baggage, and even now that's a time consuming issue.

Business travellers would be seriously inconvenienced and I know I'd have serious issues leaving my camera equipment behind when going on plane trips (separation anxiety).

Maybe it takes another terrorist attack to implement this change, but who knows...

OT....The TRUTH IS LEAKING OUT........

..IRAN NUCLEAR: RESPONSE INTENDED TO SPLIT SECURITY COUNCIL

Tehran, 23 August (AKI) - Details are beginning to emerge of the contents of the document delivered by Iran's chief nuclear negotiator to representatives of UN Security Council member nations plus Germany, with Tehran's response to an offer of incentives in exchange for abandoning uranium enrichment. The 20-page document contains 100 questions, as well as complaints and threats. "The document....contains many interesting points, which we hope will be appreciated by our dialogue partners," Iranian foreign ministry spokesman, Hamid Reza Asefi said Wednesday.

"A positive and constructive approach to the document can help to resolve the actual crisis in a brief period" said Asedi, saying it should be "viewed without political prejudice by interlocutors capable of freeing themselves of American influence."

He suggested that Europe "free itself from America and push for a return of the Iran nuclear dossier to the framework of the International Atomic Energy Agency."

The Iranian response to the package of incentives offered on 6 June begins with a chronology of the relationship between Iran and the UN's atomic watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and with Europe, with particular attention to the negotiations of the past three years, on the nuclear issue. The document contains more than 100 questions and ends with some complaints and threatening statements.

The questions - according to people who have viewed the document - refer to the incentives offered to Iran if it gives up uranium enrichment. Having rejected the demand to suspend enrichment, Iran however seems interested in the incentives, especially the measures to facilitate trade and the possible end of the embargo on the sale of used parts for its air fleet.

Chief Iranian nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani, while fiercely criticising the decision to refer the Iran nuclear dossier to the UN security council, and accusing the Europeans of renegging on promises made in 2003, stresses the need to resume negotiations, but without pre-conditions.

France's foreign minister Philippe Douste-Blazy has described it as "a very long and complicated document".

Javad Mansouri, an advisor to the Iranian foreign minister, was less conciliatory. "The package of measures is beyond any logic in that they are written in an unacceptable tone," he said. "Our response offers Europe the possibility of avoiding a head-on clash, accepting our observations and not taking decisions which are against the interest of the Islamic republic and which could have dire consequences for them."
Mehdi Mohammadi, an editorialist for the conservative daily Kayhan, which reflects the views of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader, is convinced the document has "disarmed the Security Council."
"Now it will be very difficult for the Americans to call into play article 41 of Chapter 7 of the charter of the United Nations which permits the use of instruments of pressure, such as sanctions and economic embargoes, to enforce its resolutions. The West is aware that it cannot impose economic sanctions against Iran and so does not have any other choice but to beg us to return to the negotiating table" he said.
In his editorial, "all that there is to say has been said, and apart from an eleventh-hour miracle, the choice is between under-the-table accords or entering the phase of full-on confrontation."

[Link: www.adnki.com...]

who's chi town chick?

Truly outstanding job of debunking media myths, zombie. Kudos. You deserve the Pulitizer, except it has been rather devalued from its original intent.

Now it's all lizaroids' job to:
- email the link to all our friends;
- write letters to the editors of Time, et al., lambasting the incompetence and bias of their pseudo-"reporters";
- and cancel subscriptions (if anyone still has one!);
- email "friendlier" (or at least more competent) talk radio/FOX/other media suggesting they run this story & interview zombie/zombie's minions.

The MSM and every reporter bylined on the faux "stories" needs to be Rathered and royally Reutered (is that any relation to roto-rootered?)

And now I'm off to launch an email "chain letter."

Oooooo. On the Fox reporters thing--I think we should give the palis all our muslim prisoners. ALL of them. Fill up a couple of C-5s or more. I'd vote to microchip em before they leave and never, never let them come back here again. I think it's got promise. Kinda like the Mariel thing Castro did.

I think we should seriously consider it.

another point that Zombie didn't make...That was definitely Green Helmet guy in a red cross helmet in the YouTube video. He sure does get around. He was on camera twice, right in the beginning, around 10-20 seconds in and then later (not sure how far in).

Wow...Great work Zombie!

the real question is why our mainstream media couldn't see that the hole was an air vent?

Here is the answer. They are liberals. And they have rejected the science and reason that is hallmark of the Western World.

They have sided with our enemies and make no apologies.

218 m. I wouldn't think so either, but I hate to give somebody 20 bucks to piss me off for a year :-)

To be honest, I thought the big hole in the roof was where the "bubble-bum blinker" was....

/never saw an ampulance with an air vent before

Heh heh. Looks like that E and P guy has really bad timing.

#227 christheprofessor

never saw an ampulance with an air vent before

You've obviously never smelled Green Helmet Guy after a day of faking photos. Talk about the scent of road kill....ugggh

Amazing job Zombie! Much respect.

But this story is so much more damning than the fauxtography scandal that I wonder how many MSM outlets will ignore it on purpose. This potato is tooo hot. The media managed to blame the entire photoshop story on one rogue photographer, so there really wasn't much explaining to do on their part. They gave those eagle-eyed bloggers some props, but never dove into exposing the propaganda machine that is Hexbollah.

But now its pretty clear that the news agencies are just building on each others stories in some global game of "telephone", with each party sprinkling a few more details on the top. Are they just that gullible, or is it that they want stories like this to be true, so they go light on the fact-checking and heavy on the volume.

#218 M I

wouldn't have thought you would have to worry about it in a Sports Illustrated though.

Sports Illustrated has adopted the MSM's PC mentality, in recent years. ESPN The Magazine is full-blown left-of-center drivel, couched in sports reporting. Alas, I will never be able to give up S.I. I've been a subscriber since I was 15 years of age, and it is still a great sports publication, regardless. Old habits die hard. ;)

#229 bonz

Heh. After a decade of posing and reposing cadavers, I imagine that helmet must be really ripe...

225 machiavelligz

the real question is why our mainstream media couldn't see that the hole was an air vent?

In the one picture, it's not obvious that's what it is, but it is obvious that it's dead center in the middle of the cross. I mean the IAF is good, but not that good. You'd think they'd have gotten a clue if they were looking for one. One can only conclude that they weren't looking for one.

Bald-faced lies, utterly devastated.

Your best work yet, zombie. I salute you.

buzzsawmonkey, your comment about green helmet guy is right on the money. Don't dilute the gravey.

Zombie:

Excellent work, as usual. One observation: I do not think that "white sand Photoshopped into the hole" fully describes the tampering in that one photo. It appears to me that the entire roof of the ambulance was used as a layer in PhotoShop, including a "cut out" for the whole, and then laid on top of a completely different background photograph. In other words, the ambulance roof was never in the construction scene photograph but was placed there. The construction photo exists somewhere as a separate element.

All in all quite good, and no nightmares of stinky bicycle seats and nasty scrotums.

The world won't care, but thank God you do.

Unfortunately, still not enough evidence to legitimize MOABing the whole region.

As for the WW2 debate, the American people can't tolerate anything longer than 5 minutes unless there's a commercial break or some Adderall on board. As a whole our society is becoming quite worthless. Too many good people have died in Iraq, and not enough bad ones died in New Orleans.

/FT

Sierra Hotel, Zombie. Just absolutely excellent work.

Thank you, thank you.

I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but why is there rust around all the "shrapnel" holes, but the metal is bright and shiny where the vent clearly used to be or at least most of the hole is bright and shiny?

#203 BSW

“Leaving aside your mistaken citation of 1942 as the date that WWII came to America, as noted by 6patrick6, the expansionist wars of the 3 enemies in WWII began in 1931 with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, followed by the Italian invasion of Ethiopia in 1935 and the German and Italian participation in the Spanish Civil War, which began in 1936.

Unless you believe that war on three continents (Asia, Africa, and Europe) does not constitute "world" war--and World War I was primarily a European war--World War II, by any intelligent reckoning, began in 1931 and lasted for fourteen years.”

===

Yes, let’s leave aside the mistaken citation…including the part where I actually pimfed three times...It was 41...41...41...

=

The Russian Civil War lasted from 1917-1922. It involved US, British, French, and Japanese troops, across two continents.

The Greco-Turkish War lasted from 1920-1922. US troops fought in the Philippines from 1911-1924. Hungarian troops invaded Slovakia in 1919. Romania, with French and Yugoslavian help, invaded Hungary in 1919.

Between the 1890s and 1931 virtually all of Africa was in some form of open revolt, involving every single one of the old European colonial master nations.

Many historians, (Liddell-Hart, Keegan, Chant, Shirer), note the 1939 invasion of Poland as the official start date of WW2.

Until an early memo about the WNDT fell on my desk, I was trying to point out that until the US became involved on both fronts, the war wasn’t truly global, yet. In my opinion…

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I was also trying to point out, (much earlier), that the ambulance crew that is using Vanagons isn’t GHGs usual crew, which uses GMC/Chevys. This is also the footage in which GHG covered his helmet in white tape for the first time, is it not?

That aint gravy, that’s seasoning.

I’m gonna go back to drinkin an reading now. I truly wasn’t trying to hijack this thread…

SHEESH,
R

Only a few typos. This could end up being widely published. The content is superlative, so I'll attack the nits (sorry, Tech Writing Masters!) You did a fabulous job. I'm terribly impressed, and terribly sad.

Julian Manyon: The air attack on two Red Cross ambulances has increased the controversy surounding

... It's noticable that one burst of

Now, the driver reports that he had a psychic premomition of the attack:

pre-existing circular hole pre-existing circular hole in the roof, to which some some feature --

red dome in the center of the roof is almost certainly for ventiliation.

missiles (when Israel was targetting Hamas leaders in Gaza).

then why is it beding displayed to the public

Conclusion: Ambulance atttacks are

value, apparerently for the sole purpose of killing

that Israel was intentionally targetting civilians;

So reports that an Israeli missile atttack

scene had even the slighest interest in actually

about the ambulance incident disussed

A very big problem with these journalists is that their goal in life is to attain the BIG JOB. And that BIG JOB entails looking very good sitting in front of a camera while reading someone else's copy on a teleprompter. They have no aspiration to analyze or question what is presented to them as news. They only aspire to get in front of a camera and report it. And if their report ,in very short order, effects the course of world events, why so much the better.

#240 caliredst8r

Because the rust is from damage done a long time before a bunch of Hezbos worked it over in the parking lot, smashing the vent downward, pushing the entire roof with it, before breaking the vent off entirely and exposing the unpainted flanges.

Great work Zombie. Where would we be without you?

Where were Greg Mitchell's brave photographers when you needed one? Busy following around Green Helmut Guy?

This report should be sent to every editor in the country, the world, the galaxy.

Great job Zombie~

Zombie, that was a truly extraordinary job that you did. All honor to you.

This fraud that was committed that was accepted uncritically hook, line, and sinker, by the mainstream media, without so much as a slight interest in verifying whether any aspect of the fraud was true, tells me that something is very much rotten in the mainstream media.

Why is it that the exposure of the fraud can only come from the blogosphere and never from the MSM?

The media have been unable or unwilling to tell the difference between victimology theater and reality, and then they went on to provide the stamp of legitimacy to a patent fraud, and in their arrogance and bias and without questioning whether any detail was true, used that to pummel Israel and condemn it for an event that didn't happen.

Zombie, my congratulations to you for exposing this in this way.

Now I hope that the blogosphere will pick up on this, because there is a very telling story here. Two stories, in fact. One about the victimology theater that was performed. And the other story about the bizarre incompetence or gullibility or bias of the media (yes, bias would prevent a reporter from questioning a story that he wished were true).

OT: Debbie's forming an eye.

#47 - As a military man familiar with air weapons, I can concur with your statements.

I would add that 20mm and 30mm rounds are usually not slugs, but detonate on impact. As a case in point, during a test fire of captured weapons in WWII a single 30mm hit completely broke the back of a fighter aircraft, severing its tail completely. So the damage from EACH HIT on a soft van would be massive. That is to say, you could crawl through the hole each round makes if it detonates. Assuming several gun hits, the van would be shredded down to the engine block and axles by 20mm or 30mm HE strikes. (The only exception here would be if an Israeli Apache had a loadout of 30mm AP rounds, which is unlikely considering hezbolla was not using tanks/APCs. In the case of fighting a terrorist group running around in cars, trucks, vans, UN ambulances, etc., a loadout of HE would be ideal. Even so, 30mm AP hits would be FAR more substantial than what is in evidence here.) As previously mentioned in these comments, helos do not attack from overhead, but from the side; so there would be very large exit holes visible on the van. There is no damage to the sides.

As also previously mentioned, there are two main aircraft in the IAF order of battle: the F-15 and F-16, and both carry the 20mm gun. Aircraft use HE to obtain max damage on some opposing, soft-skinned fighter. A fighter strafing an unarmored van with 20mm HE would have the same devastating effect described in the paragraph above. As for helos, to the best of my knowledge, the Israelis have only the Apache, which would mean 30mm.

From my read of the article and looking at the pics, it's fairly clear that the damage was, if anything, small arms fire. Since there are no Israeli aircraft sporting small arms, you'll have to dig up another source for the damage. Being also an old car guy (the cars, not me) the catch on the rust in the frag holes is perhaps the key element here. It doesn't matter what the story is - that damage most definitely occurred very much prior to this "incident".

It amazes me that people beleive that ordinance hit it. The smallest hellfire misile would have destroyed the ambulance and left it chared and twised. Look what a IED can do to a armored Humvee. It amazes me that the left beleives this happened. Though it dosen't suprize me since many of the DU/Kos/Indymedia readers are anti-Semites.

#244 The Monster

Yeah, that's kinda what I figured, it just threw me a bit because only part of the hole is rusted, so the rest of the vent must have been removed very recently when they decided to use the hole as a "missle strike".

This really shows how blind the MSM is, or quick they are to damn Israel. If you look at that picture for more than 20 seconds how can you fail to notice that the ambulances in the background all have circular vents exactly in the middle of the red cross? Gee, right where the obliging Israelis targeted their missle.

I disagree with Zombie's analysis in only one respect, and it comes in the last sentence when he says that the media has NOW lost its credibility.

No, they lost their credibility over 30 years ago when that lying sack of shit Uncle Walter told the TV news watching public that the US lost the Tet offensive. They've been on a double time march in a southward direction ever since. When it comes to the MSM, believe NONE of what you read or hear.

Israel uses SuperCobras as well as the Apaches.

R

Another problem with the MSM is their competitiveness to outscooped the competition. And if they are outscooped, to expand the story into a new scoop. That is certainly what happened here. To have denied or questioned the story would have left them in the dust of a sensational story. Beasts in a feeding frenzy don't question where the meal came from.

Supercobra's main gun is 20mm, no?

OT

I have been noticing some disturbing things regarding this Centanni/Wiig kidnapping (aside from the Hamas government being essentially let off the hook by the media).

1. I saw a CNN video yesterday I couldn't link in which Wiig's wife was hosting a rally for the wives of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails where she equated the situation her husband was in to the Palestinian prisoners, made a parallel, and demanded the release of Palestinian prisoners. This could be just to gain the release of her husband which is understandable, but she did or does work for BBC so it's suspect whether those are her true feelings.

2. Now this article from the Guardian which makes the kidnapping seem like the fault of America for refusing to negotiate and includes this beauty:

However, Mushir Masri, a Hamas politician, said the US bore some responsibility for the abduction.

"We hold the Zionist enemy and the American administration responsible for such acts because of their unfair policies," he added.

[Link: media.guardian.co.uk...]

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Zombie, superb. Your work is awesome.

I agree iltridente, along with your analysis of the impact/round/destruction, there is no way what is shown can be consistent with nearly any arsenal.

The role of this round is for collateral damage.

Precision is only meant for delivery.

Damnation is upon impact.

Zombie gets good mention on Bolt Blog as well.

Hysterical if it weren't so freakin' evil

Zombie: Terrific investigation! Thank you! This is going out to everyone I know.

Zombie! You've done it again! Pulitzer material, that (but since your expose' casts aspersions on the MSM, you'll never get close to such an award). But, in our hearts and minds, you are the best!

#250 - You believe it when you have never spent one day near anything military and don't know WTF you're talking about. It's hard for me to watch the news and listen to these retards attempt hard-hitting military analysis based on their extensive experience in journo school.

On the sidebar - WWII began in 1914 when Japan declared war on Germany and occupied parts of China and much of the Pacific Islands - this formed an interesting sphere of influence in the Pacific crossing that of the US which controlled (California and the Territory of Hawaii to the east, the Territory of Philippines to the west, choked to Gaum in the middle - Japan controlled the north and south).

Didn't take long before Japan and the US began butting heads...

#129 Live4Truth
BINGO! 4MB Image of the roof (it's on that web page):

Oh...my...GOD!

That photo is fantastic! I will add it as soon as possible.

GAME OVER. That rust is two years old at least. Those aren't even bullet holes!

Excellent find! My report now looks puny without it.

Thanks!

Look for an additional much later tonight or tomorrow (no time at the moment).

#141 The Monster
I think I've figured it out. Zombie is neither a man nor a woman. Zombie is actually an organization, with many operatives.

We resent that insinuation!

Seriously Zombie, mucho gracias.

Strong work.

At first it looks like it was rolled over onto its roof. Accident?

But then you notice the sides are not marked up. It looks to me like someone climbed up and jumped all over the roof. Then they started bashing it with something and punching holes in it.

Over active crowd at the last arab street uprising?

On the hi-res image - looks like the damage is a couple of years old and then pressure washed. Pressure washing will take off loose paint and leave clean metal behind. It won't remove pitted rust. Every silver dot I see has a small rust pit in it. Large corroded areas had sound paint in/near it blasted off.

I sent Zombie's link to an L3 ex-girlfriend. She sent me back a link on the long history of the question of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. It's a leading a horse to water thing. I think the real problem is that one sensational headline repeated enough times becomes a mantra then becomes a meme for the LLL/MSM/UN/Islamist Supporters. In their minds, the triumph of currupt PR trumps ultimate truth every time.

Zombie: I'm looking forward to reading your piece, but just something I immediately noticed: You're using the Red Cross emblem as a background and as bullet points. I think you shouldn't do that. I believe that the Red Cross is a good thing, although its member countries happen to be made up of as many thug-o-crazies as any other international organization.

#264 taxfreekiller,
Good one.

Rare photograph of Zombie.

I have some very important information I would like to bring to your attention. My comments are routinely ignored, so please read this.

I live in Uruguay, and a journalist from this country was in Lebanon during the war. He is now back, and right now his channel is transmitting a "war diary" recap of the footage and segments he and his crew shot over there.

What's the interesting thing I have to say? I will describe what I just saw and heard.

He is standing with a collapsed building and the usual crowd of aid workers and civilians behind him. He says he is in Hayat, a suburb of Southern Beirut. He explicitly says that the procedures for the press in this kind of situation (a bombardment) is established as follows:

During the first twenty or so minutes immediately following an attack, journalists are free to shoot whatever they want and interview whomever they please. However, around that time mark, the Hizb Allah "managers" arrive. They expel any and all journalists from the scene, form a perimiter and tell them that they may not walk into the perimeter or shoot anything under the "threat of arrest" ("amenaza de arresto"). The Hizb Allah people say that they are sending in their "forensic teams" to check the scene, and that they will open it again to the press after six hours. That's it, right there for you.

It is my most sincere and urgent hope that this reaches Charles and Zombie. Their capacity for distributing information is far greater than mine. This country's press is logically ignored in the greater picture, but this war diary is packed with excellent reporting. They are interviewing Rafik Hariri's widow right now. If I see anything else that is of relevance to the issues we discuss in the blogosphere, I will let everyone know. Just don't ignore this post, because I think it's a contribution to forming a picture, with specific time frames, of how Hizb Allah operates.

#274 Patrizio

That is interesting. This reporter, does he have pictures or audio of the Hizballah managers moving reporters out of the area?

275 Sarah D.

He did not show that on screen, but he probably has footage of it in stock. At other points in the war diary he showed Lebanese soldiers showing him away from some scenes in Beirut.

#276 Patrizio,

Please forgive me in advance, I have no idea about Uruguay politics.

What is the political mindset there on the Israeli/Lebanese war? Is this reporter "normal" or not?

I'm quite interested.

Superb work, Zombie. Too bad you won't get the Pulitzer you definitely deserver (unless you consider the Pulitzer prize to be a totally vacous and worthless piece of trash that is given to liars and the half-insane; in which case I'm glad you're not getting one!).

Good work Zombie. Very good!