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EU Referendum: The Corruption of the Media

Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 8:59:33 pm PDT

Richard North at EU Referendum has completed his massive report on media coverage of the “Qana” incident on July 30, 2006: The Corruption of the Media.

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1 Fiery Red XIII  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:04:43pm

Corruption?!?!? NO!?!?!?

Red

2 Fiery Red XIII  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:05:34pm

grr... forgot /sarc tag

But, #1! Woohoo!


Red

3 Stuck in california  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:06:08pm

Go, Bloggers , Go!

4 Fiery Red XIII  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:07:08pm

Charles, you should try and get on their link list at EU Ref!

Red

5 Fiery Red XIII  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:08:15pm

Well, gnite all, glad to see some good reading to polish off the nite!

Red

6 So?  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:11:46pm

tell it to mike wallace, he has friends in high places

7 Bubbaman  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:13:02pm
8 So?  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:13:51pm

where's the link to Zombie's excellent report yesterday?

9 So?  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:20:22pm

seems this Green Helmut Guy deserves a place right next to Mother Teresa in the anals of history ...or at least a Man of The Year cover shot on Time.

/farkaked

10 Promethea  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:24:32pm

OT...but I'm going to bed soon, and I just wanted to say--

Most of our troubles date from the Munich Olympic Massacres of Jewish Athletes in 1972.

World....what you sow, you shall reap.

NOW is the time for Germans, French, Brits, and others to realize that just because you aren't Jewish doesn't mean that you won't be murdered and blown up.

In other words, get a CLUE now, before it's too late. Anti-Americanism and antisemitism won't save you. You need to step up to the plate and help to save civilization. The headchoppers are coming for you too.

11 scathach  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:26:30pm

#7 Bubbaman

I think I am going to be ill. I am not much of a protester. I have too many productive things to do than stand somewhere and chant and hold banners, but this is really too much. CAIR, Mearsheimer and Walt, and the National Press Club just scream "By all that is Holy, Protest Me!"

12 aunursa  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:28:16pm

If anyone gets in contact with Mearsheimer and Walt, can you ask them about my $100 Challenge. They never responded. (In all fairness, I didn't hear a peep from Juan Cole, Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, or Tony Judt either.)

13 zee  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:28:39pm

OT
What virulent, relentless, soulless lying scumbags.

this uruknet.info site just seems exceedingly vile... oh well - just can't ever seem to get used to the enormity of the lies...

"The Central Global Threat of Violence: The Axis of Aggression, the United States and Israel
Torture, Death and Devastation
Edward S. Herman"

14 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:28:59pm

EU was almost condescendingly fair, removing any contentions that absolutely could not be proved beyond contention.

And even so, the whole body of work is a crushing blow the the power of the same media that has been suggesting for years that we "fuck off and die".

(Sorry, I don't know how to politely express the extent of my disgust. I was fooled for so many years.)

And if you weren't, why didn't you speak out? The answer is that you weren't aware just like I wasn't. We've had a pre-conditioned "Sunday Morning" msm belief system that the media would never lie to us.

How many times have these asses laughed and smoked doobies at parties, and had great sex with dubious females while laughing at our laudable but naive belief systems?

You think I'm pissed? That doesn't come close to how I feel. I feel raped in the brain.

Fuck you msm, you freak bastards. You day is done. You are diseased beyond description.

15 mich-again  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:35:54pm

One word. Devastating.

That was an incredible indictment. Bravo!

16 Orbit Rain  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:36:52pm

guilty as charged

17 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:38:10pm

This sort of can pass for a media related question... I just switched from mac to PC and want to uninstall some spyware... is it necessary to use the safe mode for this? I was reading some blogs about a particular one and they said to do it in the safe mode, is that a rule for all uninstalls? thanks

18 freedom rings  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:38:25pm

Just saw the re-run of the Brit Hume story on zombie's expose' of the Lebanese ambulance bombing.

WAY TO GO, ZOMBIE!

/just don't forget your peeps :-)

19 Just Another Four-Letter Word  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:38:29pm

14 RBGDJ:

Those Greeks kinda said it best when they came up with the very quotable line, "Who will watch the Watchers?" (I can't do the Latin). Smart guys.

Along with "Trust, but verify", we just *can't* have our heads in the sand, and Uncle Walter and Chet & David, and (especially!) Dan have to be watched, watched, and watched some more. Too much public trust in what these guys represent. Too much potential for mischief or worse.

Remember, "The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance".

JAFLW

/Boy, I'm just Mr. Quote tonight, aren't I?

20 zombie  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:43:49pm

This EU Referendum thing is like my ambulance exposé times 50. They had several people working on it for a month! Thorough? You haven't seen thorough til you've seen this.

If I was the MSM, I'd be sweatin' right about now.

21 mattm  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:44:08pm

Wow. Another nail in the MSM coffin. It is still not easy to see the pictures.

22 pat  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:45:42pm

#19 Just Another Four-Letter Word

Romans, not Greeks. The Greeks said "Who will do the Sheep."

23 Just Another Four-Letter Word  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:46:11pm

#17 Teacake:

Yes, you should always get rid of viruses/trojans/bho's, worms, and other malignancies in Safe Mode. Don't forget to turn off the System Recovery on Boot option. Better yet, boot the machine in DOS mode if you are skilled enough and kill it that way. NOT for the faint-hearted, I might add.

I fought with a brand-spankin-new virus (javanet.exe) that got on two of my servers yesterday and brought the network to its knees. It took me until 1:30 in the morning to smash the little bastard - just like cockroaches it kept respawning, respawning, respawning. Finally figgerd it out, and the second one took only ten minutes. If I find the 'tard that wrote it, they're HISTORY!

I can dream, can't I?

JAFLW

24 Just Another Four-Letter Word  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:48:17pm

#22 Pat:

Oops - you're right. It's all Greek to me...

JAFLW

25 zombie  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:49:09pm
#14 really grumpy big dog johnson
How many times have these asses laughed and smoked doobies at parties, and had great sex with dubious females

Well, at least they weren't having dubious sex with great females.

Some things just can not be tolerated.

26 pat  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:49:11pm

Zombie
Way to go! The normals need it slow, with lots of pictures. You have the patience and brains. Your model will spread, to Europe, then to China, and finally to Africa. Keep it up.

27 IndianTiger  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:50:03pm

#10 Promethea

If only they'll listen. Brits and Germans seen to be getting a bit better day by day. But not enough. Rest of the Old europe is hopeless.

28 friarstale  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:50:42pm

Hank Williams has weighed in on this too

29 abolitionist  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:50:48pm

#8 So?

where's the link to Zombie's excellent report yesterday?

Look at top of this page - 3rd item (currently) under Fauxtography Scandal updates:

30 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:55:02pm

zombie

Thank you for noticing my concern. You are high are my list of heroes, and we will be celebrating your great contributions when the bell tolls.

And toll it will.

31 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:55:23pm

23 Just Another Four-Letter Word

I discovered ewido tonight and it found 102 infected things... 100 were cookies. Norton found zero and The the other which I don't remember the name found 1 trojan but I was unable to get rid of it. The ewido was done in safe mode and quarinteened all of them. But if I just want to do a regular uninstall of the other programs that seem to be usesless, do I just uninstall or safe mode?

Don't know how to do dos at the moment.
The system restore is already clicked off, do I just keep it that way? I read on that site someone sugessted to boot on and off the system restore.

32 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:57:05pm

As long as I got someone who will talk PC... I can't find the brightness adjustment area... looked all over the control panel. The brightness is giving me a headache. lol

33 zombie  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:58:00pm
#30 really grumpy big dog johnson

zombie

Thank you for noticing my concern

I am inspired by your incendiary anger/enthusiasm amalgam. A potent combination. Nothing so leads to gumption as fury.

34 bluegrass boy  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:58:02pm

the truth is usually out there somewhere,...available to those who seek it,..obscured from those who dont really care,..or who dont care enough to make the effort,...

its great that these resources are here and elsewhere for those who are motivated enuogh to come here looking for it,....the other side makes inroades by slapping people upside their heads with faux info every minute,, every hour every day, every day after day,.....

people are coming around a little though,...arent they?

35 zombie  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 7:59:17pm
#17 Teacake!
I just switched from mac to PC

Why in Jehosephat's name would you do such a thing?

36 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:00:40pm

Looks like LGF (Zombie and Charles etc)is like David bringing the giants to their knees with a good dose of reality and a little bit of ball crushing.

37 Americanmale[deleted]  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:01:20pm
38 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:02:49pm

Hey Zombie! My experience with mac has been they fall apart so easily, not built very well at all. Also, I had older macs with system 9 and for 600 I got a beautiful laptop that an apple would have been 2000.

The only setback for me are the viruses that I didn't worry about with mac.

39 Just Another Four-Letter Word  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:05:38pm

#31 Teacake:

Zombie's right, ya know...

Our considered advice would be to turn the PC off and leave it off. That'll fix your problems! Go back to the Mac. Or, if you want to be dain-bramaged (like me!), go with Linux.

Ahhhhhhh, Linux. Don't fear the penguins...

JAFLW

40 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:08:47pm

#39 Just Another Four-Letter Word - well until I start barber school next month it will be a couple of years till I make an actual living. I might be one of the few Jews on the planet who doesn't have access to that secret bank account. This pc is really nice... acer aspire. I really like it. And its pretty.

41 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:10:03pm

So anyone know how I can dim the screen brightness? it isn't in the apperance panel

42 pat  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:12:55pm

Teacake(If that really is your name?(obscure Dr Strangelove reference))

Go Apple.

43 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:15:18pm

Hey Pat... obscure Dr Strangelove reference - didn't know that. Actually I've been working on a novel for over 10 years, since I'm not the best writer --- and my character's cat's name is teacake... her dog... canasta. lol

Too late to go back.

44 bluegrass boy  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:16:12pm

you folks been sleeping well lately?...just curious,...i have been a little too wrapped up in all of this,...feeling like i need to be plugged in to my info feed 24-7 for fear of missing anything,.....

my girlfriend is like minded but she wonders why i get on the computer instead of snugglin up with her sometimes and i just kind of play it off.....

am i a playa?

45 pat  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:16:32pm

Teacake, brightness on a PC, is control panel to appearance to screen(or some such shit)

46 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:18:22pm

Looked at apparence and didn't find the sucker. Damn... i'll ask the ex computer guy tomorrow. thanks anyhow.

47 Shaky Louie  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:19:17pm

Teacake,
Isn't there a button located somewhere on your monitor? One that controls contrast, brightness, etc? Look for it. Push it.

/Experience level reached.

48 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:20:31pm
my girlfriend is like minded but she wonders why i get on the computer instead of snugglin up with her sometimes and i just kind of play it off.....

She should be grateful that your interest is not another person. I would love to have her problem... but you do eventually ?

49 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:21:37pm

#47 Shaky Louie - on the moniter? I'll have a look. That would be great. Near the volume?

50 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:22:50pm

Don't see anything like that.

51 Shaky Louie  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:27:38pm

Teacake!,
Where it is depends on what kind of monitor you have. Some have buttons, some have knobs so, I don't know. But, good luck!

/*snort* He said "knobs"! Heh!

Yeah, heheh!

52 Teacake!  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:35:53pm

Found it sort of... not the options I had with apple, but its not so bright now. Like a foggy morning.

53 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:43:50pm

zombie,

I have a file I'd like to send you, if you plan to do an analysis of the 1996 ambulance incident.

Check your email.

54 zombie  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:45:46pm
#53 Dar ul Harb
zombie,

I have a file I'd like to send you, if you plan to do an analysis of the 1996 ambulance incident.

Check your email.

Like I said on the previous thread where you were analyzing the 1996 videos, I just don't have time to do it:

Sadly, I don't have time to blog about this 1996 stuff. I tossed it in Charles' lap like an unwanted hot potato, but he isn't convinced it's fake, so (understably) doesn't want to make a thread out of it.

As a result, if you're gonna wanna see your great analysis blogged further, you're going to have to do it yourself!

55 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:53:14pm

#54, zombie

Could you at least host the image for me?

I wanted to do a post at LGC colloquium, but Blogger turned the animated GIF into a PNG!

I'll be glad to do the writing if someone is willing to host the videos and that GIF.

56 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 8:58:43pm

Here's a non-animated preview of the image I'd like to have hosted...

57 Trey Stone  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:00:35pm

well, no one disputes that plenty of these photos were staged. the question i have is whether that's the only way Hezbolloids would let journalists film there, or if a bunch of journalists actively sympathized with them themselves.

will skim the whole report later if i have time.

certainly Qana was blown out of proportion by some -- though i can't remember if they said it was actually a Hezbollah stronghold or not. or if other Israeli bombardments had a similar impact and Hezbollah/sympathetic Lebanese just picked this one for propaganda purposes.

58 Trey Stone  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:02:18pm

though, it was aggravating watching one news report at a bombed area, where an angry guy said in Arabic "Does this look like Hezbollah?" then later, in the same damn report, some other shmuck used that "We are all Hezbollah" line.

59 freedom rings  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:02:28pm

zombie: Maybe you've seen this already, found it by linking around EU Referendum:

In Defense of War Photographers
While some criticism is warranted, the current controversy over manipulated or staged pictures from Lebanon has been fueled by speculative, unfounded, or politically-driven charges that have tainted all of the brave photographers who cover conflict in the Middle East.
[Link: www.editorandpublisher.com...]

In Defense of War Photographers: Part II
When rightwing bloggers made largely unfounded charges against photographers in Lebanon, some in the profession responded at a leading site. Wrote one veteran photog who had covered the killings at Qana: "I want to put a stop to these incendiary rumors right now."
...Since my first column, the same blogs are in a tizzy over the "zombietime" site proving that the July 23 incident, in which two Red Cross ambulances were hit from the air by the Israelis, never happened. Needless to say, there is no such proof, and my favorite line comes near the end when the writer observes "Israel already admitted to carrying out the attack," adding dryly that this is "an interesting point."
[Link: www.editorandpublisher.com...]

60 jimmy the infidel  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:04:49pm

#7 Bubbaman

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 8/22/06) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) announced today that all the available spaces for a panel discussion on "The Israel Lobby and the U.S. Response to the War in Lebanon" at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., have been reserved.

Yeah and how many jooos representing Israel's side do ya think were actually invited?..

61 friarstale  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:10:16pm

Hank against phony photojournalism!



62 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:17:15pm

#44 bluegrass

Ditto

63 abolitionist  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:22:40pm

#17 teacake!

I just switched from mac to PC and want to uninstall some spyware... is it necessary to use the safe mode for this?

#31 teacake!

But if I just want to do a regular uninstall of the other programs that seem to be usesless, do I just uninstall or safe mode?

For regular uninstalls of software apps that you simply don't need or want, (and which are not malware), you should be using the Add/Remove Programs tool (found under Start/Settings/Control Panel -for w98se, anyway). IIRC, that will not run in safe mode, but requires the normal windows environment.

Many of the good anti-viral/trojan/spyware apps/tools will work fine in normal mode OR in safe mode. But in safe mode, they generally have a better chance of detecting and defeating malware, because most of the usual windows components are not yet running, and (usually) the malware isn't yet running either.

Most windows apps will not run in safe mode. This is true even for some good anti-malware apps.

Some malware detection/removal tools provide an option to run once at next startup. This can be the next-best thing to running that tool in safe mode, as it gets to run ahead of most of windows stuff.

Hope that helps.

64 Amalie  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:26:20pm

You know, I'm beginning to wonder if the Media isn't fair and balanced...

65 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:27:56pm

Hey, thanks anyway, zombie!

I got the image to work via Photobucket!

66 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:28:24pm

#63 abolitionist to Teacake
Agree.

And then get rid of resource eating Norton and get free or premium AVG. Better updates and it finds bugs that Norton and others OFTEN miss.

AVG
Ad-Aware
SpyBot S & D
Spyware Blaster

the free fabulous four, IMHO.

67 IndianTiger  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:44:16pm

#64 Amalie

Hey Amalie. How's it going? Shhhhh.... don't tell anyone about the media!

68 freedom rings  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:46:33pm

#54 zombie:

This has no doubt been posted before, but for some who may not have seen it:

Here's a photojournalist forum (lengthy) that discusses the Lebanese photo staging. Scroll halfway down to find this entry, dated Aug. 13 (this guy really takes them on throughout the forum):

The basic difference between bloggers and journalists is that journalists get paid for writing and shooting – though some of the blogs, like LGF, actually generate a fair amount of revenue. If you bother to read some of the blogs involved in this story, you’ll see that a number of images suggested to have been "staged" have been shown, to the contrary, to be accurate
news by other bloggers. Instead of just one editor who relies on your word that the story
is accurate, bloggers get fact-checked by thousands of readers and other bloggers. By its nature blogging is interactive and letters to the editor aren’t edited. Charles Johnson’s LGF has way more credibility than the editors of the NYT, and when he gets something wrong, he puts the correction on the front page, not buried.
[Link: www.lightstalkers.org...]

69 freedom rings  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 9:53:13pm

A history of fauxtography (it's nothing new-check out Abraham Lincoln).


Digital Tampering in the Media, Politics and Law
Photography, of course, lost its innocence many years ago. In as early as the 1920s, shortly after the first commercially available camera was introduced, Stalin had his enemies "air-brushed" out of photographs.

...This nearly iconic portrait of U.S. President Abraham Lincoln is a composite of Lincoln's head and the Southern politician John Calhoun's body.
[Link: www.cs.dartmouth.edu...]

70 freedomplow  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 10:02:22pm

To the people of the middle east... We will not abandon your quest for freedom.

Why in the hell are there still dictators in this world?

Fight them.

71 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 10:03:04pm

New Zealand: No negotiations for Fox journalists

The prime minister of New Zealand, Helen Clark, is echoing American remarks today, saying her country will not negotiate with the militants holding two Fox News journalists. New Zealander Olaf Wiig and American Steve Centanni remain held after their abduction 10 days ago in Gaza, appearing for the first time Wednesday in a hostage video.
"New Zealand doesn't offer money" to release hostages, Clark tells the Associated Press. She is also announcing a boost to the country's resources in the region, adding a senior police official.


Also:
* pacifist NZ starts beefing up the military.
* alQaeda had a hand in the Fatah kidnappings

72 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 10:10:51pm

Just like the Toshiba execs who sold our nuclear sub technology to the Russians. Makes me want to buy Starrett instead!
Japan police arrest 5 Mitutoyo execs over nuclear devices: report
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

73 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 10:38:46pm

China jails NYT researcher for fraud
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I feel for this guy, but there's lots of evidence to support the charge of fraud at the NYT.

74 Ledger1  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 10:40:49pm

The only real picture I see is Green Helmet Guy with Liver Spots on his arm.

I suggest Green Helmet Guy lay-off the alcohol and drugs. If not the liver spots will spread.

75 Ledger1  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 10:58:42pm

Ok, Green Helmet Guy lay-off the Formaldehyde!

Cigarettes soaked in embalming fluid have most recently emerged as a form of date-rape drug. The cigarettes, commonly known as "fry" cigarettes, are tobacco or marijuana cigarettes dipped in embalming fluid. The fluid is a compound of formaldehyde, methanol, ethyl alcohol or ethanol, and other solvents. Sometimes, the compound used in the "fry" cigarettes is PCP.


See: Fry cigarettes

76 rayra[deleted]  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:04:08pm
77 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:04:16pm

zombie,

If you're still around - a story for you.

Last night I was sitting with my 17 year old daughter, watching foxnews, and as soon as Brit Hume began reporting your Red Cross piece I said, "Hey! That's zombie's story!" I started to explain "zombie" to meannastyteenager but she interrupted me, saying...

"Oh, I know who zombie is!"

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'

:-) !

78 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:08:52pm

morning all

79 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:15:32pm

Jewels! :-)

80 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:16:04pm

hullo Little old lady...was dus?

81 IndianTiger  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:18:02pm

#77 littleoldlady

That's good to know :).

82 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:18:18pm

Jewels,

S.O.S.

And you? How was your vacation?

83 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:24:30pm

Gen Con was a blast. Got into an All day Toruney of Flames of War (WWII minis) and spoke with many game designers while there as well as trying outa lot of new games. I sorely needed the break

84 IndianTiger  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:24:46pm

#78 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Morning Jewels. How's Israel today? Olmert ousted yet?

85 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:26:49pm

Good morning (afternoon?) IndianTiger. :-)

86 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:28:10pm

Will your kids be named Dhimmi?
[Link: www.enterstageright.com...]

The term "dhimmi" ("dh" pronounced as "Z") means "protected," and describes the status of non-Muslims who are allowed live under conditions that render them inferior to their Muslim conquerors. This term will, no doubt, be new to many readers; it is a term that every American should understand fully.
Dan Simmons has provided a very readable, and highly enlightening introduction to "dhimmi" in his April 2006 Message from Dan. This is a must read for every American.
Few Americans comprehend the magnitude of the war that was declared on American, February 23, 1998. Osama bin Laden's fatwa announced to the world that:
`We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it,''
This declaration of war hardly made news in 1998. September 11, 2001 did make the news, and Osama bin Laden's name became a household word. But Americans who believe that the war against terrorism is, or should be, focused on bin Laden and his tiny band of extremists, fail to comprehend the real enemy, which must destroy the concept of freedom in order to survive.
American values, arising from the principles of freedom, have collided head-on with the principles of Islam. The Shia branch of Islam cannot coexist with American values or the principles of freedom. It is not at all certain that the Sunni branch of Islam can coexist, with either American values, or the Shia vision of what Islam should be. Terrorism is the tactic of choice for both Islamic branches involved in this collision of ideas.
This struggle between Islamic values and Western values of individual freedom will continue for years, perhaps throughout the century, as Dan Simmons suggests in his message. Should American forces leave Iraq before a unity government is formed and functioning, the struggle in the streets of Baghdad will be brief, and then spread to the streets of Islam's most hated enemies.

87 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:48:42pm

*pokes the thread*

88 big L  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:48:49pm

14-really grumpy etc.. Yeah. that says it for me. The cynicism.

89 backhoe  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:49:00pm
#17 Teacake! 8/24/2006 09:38PM PDT
This sort of can pass for a media related question... I just switched from mac to PC and want to uninstall some spyware... is it necessary to use the safe mode for this? I was reading some blogs about a particular one and they said to do it in the safe mode, is that a rule for all uninstalls? thanks


Teacake, if I may jump in here and add a couple of things to the overall good advice you have gotten so far?

If you aren't already behind a hardware firewall, get behind one-- it's called "home networking" nowadays, or what we from the Dawn of Time called LAN-- local area network.

If your problems are stubborn, join a forum and get help- one I recommend is

spyware info

90 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Aug 24, 2006 11:55:51pm

gonna crawl undera rock....headache

91 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:03:17am

Feel better, Jewels!

psst! Mikey?

92 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:18:40am

Back (way back!) when I was in school, we had a system for deciding whether and how long we should stick around waiting for the teacher to show up to a class.

If an instructor hadn't appeared within 15 minutes of the beginning of class, we were out of there.

Full professors merited 20 minutes.

Do they still do that stuff in college?

/Mikeymode on

Crap! Late again! Good morning Dead Thread.

/Mikeymode off

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------->
Help yourselves!

93 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:29:37am

#92littleoldlady

Good morning!

I went to a small, private women's college. My professors (all Ph.D.s) were never late. One winter, after an 8" snowfall, my chemistry professor cross-county skied to class.

94 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:39:59am

Good morning, Goddess!

I went to Temple U., which back then had in excess of 40,000 students.

Anarchy prevailed! :-)

(Nevertheless, we still knew which profs were boffing which students, and why they were late to class...)

95 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:59:32am

Sorry, folks. Had 9 AM meeting that lasted until 5:40 PM. No escape.

96 nonic  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:04:00am

Good morning, people.

Just announced on the NYT radio station, first reports coming in of an Air Lingus (sp?) plane evacuated in Ireland due to terrorist threat.

97 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:15:30am

Good Morning & Happy Friday LGF'ers!

The trust we placed in the MSM... it is OVER.

98 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:16:01am

# 96 nonic

Plane landed, passengers deplaned, baggage inspected, no explosives found.

99 nonic  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:16:27am

Italian Apartheid

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

the northeastern Italian city of Padua has ... ... built a three-meter steel wall around a problem-plagued housing project, to separate its residents from the surrounding neighborhood of new office blocks and stylish villas. Anchored well underground to deter burrowing, the wall encircles the homes of some 1,500 immigrants. Many are illegal, most from sub-Saharan Africa.

The police checkpoint and surveillance cameras at the single entrance to the Serenissima project on Via Anelli suggest a prison. Police control access and have stepped up raids on the apartments inside, on at least one recent occasion arresting illegal immigrants.

Mayor Flavio Zanonato of the Democrats of the Left party says he was prompted to act by neighbors of the housing project, who complained about violence and crime. Many Paduans reached the end of their tether one night in July, when the project spawned a terrifying machete-and-crowbar fight that raged for several hours between Moroccan and Nigerian gangs.

Inside the wall, flapping laundry and satellite dishes festoon the buildings, according to the newspaper Le Figaro, and men play cards and soccer in a courtyard throughout the day.

100 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:17:32am

Hey! It's kitten picture break time! Isn't she a little cupcake?

[Link: jpeg-pile.tripod.com...]

101 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:35:14am

How to know you're having a bad flight.

102 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:42:13am

Mike C
Morning,

anybody else notice gas prices have fallen like a rock.
289 down to 265 in 2 weeks.

I guess the end of the world helped.

Not to mention Ford and others are going to shut 10-15 truck and SUV plants.

103 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:43:31am

ibm

Grr. Just answered that across the street.

104 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:45:40am

Mike,

"When we got back to the terminal we still couldn't leave. We were told police were coming on in case we started a riot."

Another passenger Peter Sidebottom, 57, added: "Tensions were rising and one woman was abusing the staff. Another passenger said if she didn't shut up she'd punch her teeth in."

Oh crap lo

Seven hours to let air out of a tire.

105 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:46:28am

# 103 Addendum

However, for the benefit (?) of those who don't cross the street,

It’s all part of our Eeee-vil oil industry conspiracy. Bwahaha !

106 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:46:31am

Mike,
sorry,
dont punch my teeth out.

lo

107 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:48:05am

And aside from ibm, whereinhell'd everybody go ?

108 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:49:55am
#107 Mike C.

And aside from ibm, whereinhell'd everybody go ?


probably getting kids ready for school.

can you believe I am 60 yrs old and taking a kid to school.

life is tough.
lo.

109 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:54:07am

# 108 ibm

That's insane.

Meanwhile, I had lunch, but I think I'll wander up to the 5th floor lounge and get a nosh. (Drop-out from the Littleoldlady University of Yiddish here) Back in a bit.

110 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:16:08am

Good Morning Lizards:

I guess this is the dead thread today.

Mike C. I'm glad you made it back to the grindstone in China again. Gee, you are putting serious miles on that Metro.

Gas prices dropped a dime overnight in Bloomington, Illinois. Pump price is down to $2.77 a gallon today. Interesting how those who were yelling price fixing and market manipulation a year ago when refineries were shutting down, got nothing to say on the topic now.

111 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:19:21am

#77 littleoldlday

OMG! zombie is BOB DYLAN?

/whodathunk

112 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:21:11am

#14 really grumpy big dog johnson

{hug}

I know it is generally forbidden-but you seem to need one.

In lieu of drunken, doobie, journalist filled hack sex parties of course. Can't help you there...

113 Praxeus  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:25:48am

Singing.......

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood........won't you be mine, won't you be mine......won't you be me neighbor

?


Wow......... very lively this morning. Wake up everyone it's Friday !

114 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:26:22am

Sports note:

With all my years of playing and watching baseball, I'd thought Id' seen it all. Then last night during the Sox - Tigers game I saw something new.

Tigers hitter Sean Casey hit a line drive off the 3rd basemans glove that continued out into left field for a single. Thinking the ball was caught, Casey just stands there by home plate. The Sox left fielder fielded the single and threw all the way to first base for the out.

That play was bad baseball on several counts. First, Casey should not be peaking at the ball after he hit it, he should have been running to first base on contact until his 1st base coach told him to stop. Second, even if he thought the ball was caught by the 3rd baseman he still should have kept running until the umpires told him he was out. And last, even at that, a turtle with bad feet should have been able to make it to first base in time once Casey saw the ball rolling in the outfield. I've seen grandmothers in walkers move faster than that. Geez Casey, go on a diet a drop a few pounds. How embarassing.

115 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:28:16am

I AM ZOMBIE

116 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:30:38am
Tigers hitter Sean Casey hit a line drive off the 3rd basemans glove that continued out into left field for a single. Thinking the ball was caught, Casey just stands there by home plate. The Sox left fielder fielded the single and threw all the way to first base for the out.


Where was his pinch runner?

roflol

117 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:32:30am

#115 ibm

I AM ZOMBIE

No you're not. Wrong shoe size.

118 Praxeus  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:32:54am

Baseball ? Bah Humbug....... I'm waiting for college football to start up.

"How 'Bout Them Dawgs!"

119 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:33:19am

I left without saying goodbye.

Goodbye! :-)

Have leave to get my mom back to her place Down the Shore. She's been staying with me for a week after having been in the hospital for a week. She's not entirely better, but I think I'd best get her back home before I murder her.

Dead is worse than sick!

/actually I can't believe we lasted THIS long in the same house without any blood spilling

Good day, ALL!™

120 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:34:41am
USS Cole Skipper Off Promotion List
Associated Press - August 22, 2006

WASHINGTON - Nearly six years after the deadly terrorist attack on the USS Cole, the Navy has decided that the officer who was skipper of the ship is not qualified for a promotion that had been in limbo since 2002.

The attack killed 17 Sailors and nearly sank the destroyer in Aden harbor, Yemen. A Navy investigation concluded in 2001 that Cmdr. Kirk Lippold and his crew probably could not have prevented the attack and should not be punished.

But in a written statement Monday, the Navy said Secretary Donald C. Winter concluded after reviewing the matter that Lippold's actions before the attack on Oct. 12, 2000, "did not meet the high standard" expected of commanding officers.

Based on that assessment, Winter determined that Lippold was "not the best and fully qualified for promotion to the higher grade" of captain, said a Navy spokesman, Cmdr. David Werner.

A Navy promotion board had selected Lippold for promotion to captain in 2002 but he was not confirmed by the Senate, and his status had been in limbo since then. Winter decided to strike Lippold's name from the promotion list, meaning he will remain at his current rank of commander. If he chooses to stay in the Navy he will become eligible to be considered again for promotion early next year, Navy officials said.

Lippold currently is serving on the staff of the top Navy officer, Adm. Mike Mullen, at the Pentagon. The Navy said Lippold was withholding comment on Winter's decision until he and his Navy lawyer review it fully.

The top Navy officer when the Cole attack occurred, Adm. Vern Clark, said after the Navy's investigation was concluded, "There is a collective responsibility. We all in the chain of command share responsibility for what happened on board USS Cole."

"The investigation clearly shows the commanding officer of the Cole did not have the specific intelligence, the focused training, the appropriate equipment and on-scene security support to effectively prevent or deter such a determined, such a pre-planned assault on this ship," Clark said on Jan. 19, 2001.

121 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:35:35am
122 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:35:50am

Mayor Nagin reconfirms what a low class moron he truly is.

On a tour of the decimated Ninth Ward, Nagin tells Pitts the city has removed most of the debris from public property and it’s mainly private land that’s still affected – areas that can’t be cleaned without the owners' permission. But when Pitts points to flood-damaged cars in the street and a house washed partially into the street, the mayor shoots back. "That’s alright. You guys in New York can’t get a hole in the ground fixed and it’s five years later. So let’s be fair."

And then there is the requisite race-baitng in the article:

"I think you are looking at basically a town that will be a playground for the rich for the next 40 years," Leonard Moore, a professor of African-American history at Louisiana State University, tells Pitts. "I look at the post-Katrina piece as a game of musical chairs….Once the music gets turned off, the white folks have a place to sit down, a place to sleep, a place for their children to go to school. We’re going back to a trailer."

Oh please.

123 Praxeus  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:36:56am

Shriekers and Fleas ?

124 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:39:13am

"The investigation clearly shows the commanding officer of the Cole did not have the specific intelligence, the focused training, the appropriate equipment and on-scene security support to effectively prevent or deter such a determined, such a pre-planned assault on this ship," Clark said on Jan. 19, 2001.

Is it just me, or do those items listed reflect poorly not on Lippold, but on the adminstration at that time?

125 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:40:33am

You know, thinking about the race baiting I mentioned in my #122, I think that kind of off the wall comment is getting to be like calling someone a "Nazi". Once someone drops to that level in their communications, it's a signal that they are out of actual facts and support for their view and are now just flinging garbage.

126 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:40:34am

#122 3 wood

Same old words, same old tune. Just a different intrument.

127 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:43:38am

I see in the news that John Mark Karr is back in Colorado. Can we just hang this guy for being terminally creepy and save ourselves the coming circus?

128 Praxeus  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:47:08am

Good verse on your profile mama winger.


#125 3 wood

"School bus" Nagin and his type have to continually race bait in order to stay in power.

129 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:49:31am

Hey AI, you are slow on the draw this morning. You should have about 4 links up aready.

130 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:51:15am

#128 Praxeus

I like it becuase it pretty well sums things up, eh? :)

131 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:51:44am
121 American Infidel 8/25/2006 04:35AM PDT
GOOD MORNING LIZARDOIDS ! ! !

and a special shout out to the members of the Shrieker's Club and Fleas



Say what?

132 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:54:15am

littleold....

My wifffeee is tending towards driving me crazy since she came home from the nursing home. But i'll take that ofver the alt.

.

133 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:55:01am
134 Smit  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:56:59am

Please let them keep him.

[Link: media.guardian.co.uk...]

MP George Galloway is presenting his TalkSport phone-in show from Beirut this weekend, in what the station claims is the first such live broadcast from a war zone.

135 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 2:57:42am

Chances are that that bin Laden is in Pakistan.

U.S. intelligence officials say Osama bin Laden is likely hiding in Pakistan, and the former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit says the United States will have to be "extraordinarily lucky" to get the al Qaeda leader.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the hunt, said the thinking that bin Laden is in Chitral is based in part on trees that are peculiar to that region that can be seen in a 2003 video of bin Laden walking in a mountainous region.

In addition, the official said, the conclusion that bin Laden is in Chitral is based on the length of time it takes for bin Laden's audiotapes to make their way to news outlets like Al-Jazeera when he comments on important events, such as the death of al Qaeda in Iraq leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. It took three weeks for bin Laden's reaction to appear on the world's television screens.

News outlet? Try propaganda arm. Try terrorist whore.

136 Geepers  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:02:32am

Well done Mr. North.

From the link:

Finally, has there since been a cover-up by the agencies and other media organisations which produced or used the material, and a sustained campaign by them either to ignore the issue or neutralise criticism? Once again, the answer has to be yes.

Once again the denials rather than investigation.

The media has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt they aren't interested in the truth.

137 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:03:04am
138 realwest  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:04:18am

Morning y'all from a sunny but cool (64 degrees, going up to 90 degrees) Charlotte, N.C.! How is everyone today?

139 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:04:22am

Man, my computer is running like molasses in January this morning.

Remember that news item from a couple of days ago, regarding wackos suing the UK for letting the US ship arms thru their ports? Well, this seems to be the end of that nonsense.

Court: Human rights group can't sue over arms shipments

By Ben Murray, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Friday, August 25, 2006

A British human rights group lost its bid to sue government agencies for aiding alleged breaches of international law by allowing purported U.S. arms shipments through the United Kingdom, a London court decided Wednesday.

The England-based Islamic Human Rights Commission was seeking to bring the suit before the United Kingdom’s High Court.

The group, representing members of England’s Lebanese community, accused two government agencies and the secretary of state for defence of “acts of aiding and abetting grave and serious violations of international humanitarian law,” according to a release issued by the IHRC.

The group alleged that munitions purportedly flown from the U.S. to Israel through U.K. airports, including RAF Mildenhall, were used in breach of international law. U.S. Air Force base officials won’t confirm whether arms are being shipped through Mildenhall.

Osama Daneshyar, a lawyer representing the IHRC in the case, said the suit was largely derailed by a court requirement to prove that bombs moved through the U.K. were used inappropriately in Lebanon.

“In truth, how are you going to prove that?” he said.

The group has the option to appeal the decision but likely will not continue to litigate, he said.

The verdict was delivered on the same day a group of activists protesting similar allegations of arms shipments organized a rally at the gates of RAF Mildenhall.

140 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:05:41am

#133 AI
You still beating that dead horse? Well, you enjoy yourself on that.

The only poster I have seen name that other blog around here is jehu, but he seems to have moved past that whole issue as well.

141 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:06:15am

#114 3wood

Not "legging out" batted balls is one reason I cannot watch the crybaby millionaire$ anymore.

Did this laziness start with "Neon Deion"?

I enjoyed the Little League game last night on ESPN. They hustle and run on contact.

142 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:07:52am

#138 realwest

Hope all's well in the Carolinas.

Ever send Bloomberg that postcard? He'll need an address for your final NYC tax bill.

143 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:08:52am

Where's everyone, at Minyan?

144 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:09:05am
HEAD SHRIEKER...

name change?

145 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:10:07am

Dancin' with myself, whoa-ho-ho-ho, whoa ho a ho, whoa ho a ho.

146 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:10:25am

#141 bp

Yep, Casey should be fined and sit on the bench for a week. For a hot second I thought I was watching Manny Rameriz with the Red Sox.

One intersting side note though, I had thought the slowest human beings afoot in the world were Paul Konerko of the White Sox tied with all the wide receivers on the Bears roster. But now I know they are in second to Casey.

147 FinallyHere  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:11:11am

Did USA used these bombs and better against Bin Laden and his "civilians"?

[Link: israelnn.com...]

NY Times: US Investigating Legality of Israeli Cluster-Bomb Use
09:34 Aug 25, '06 / 1 Elul 5766

(IsraelNN.com) The US State Department is investigating whether Israel used American-made rockets armed with cluster bombs in Lebanon, and whether such use violated agreements with the US, The New York Times reported.

Officials who are not names in the report said the investigation would probably not lead to sanctions against Israel, but is seemingly intended to help the Bush administration deflect criticism from Arab governments over its support of IDF actions in Lebanon.

According to the report, the State Department's Office of Defense Trade Controls opened the investigation after reports of three types of American cluster bombs emanated from southern Lebanon this week.

Israel has not said whether it used the bombs in the Re-Engagement War, but the report says an agreement reached in the 70s stipulates that the bombs only be used against “organized Arab armies and clearly defined military targets.”

148 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:11:37am
149 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:12:30am

I'll just tell myself a joke then.

What do they call it when after 45 years you forget you were a proud member of the Nazi party?

.

.


.

Waldheimer's disease.

I crack myself up.

150 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:12:40am
151 realwest  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:13:03am

#142 bp_sf is now bp_nj - oh yeah, I sent him a postcard ok. And I almost sure that I put my new addy on it as well! LOL!
How are you this morning?

152 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:14:29am

Just ducky, thx!

Damn glad to be alive and above ground.

Jints-Jets tonite!

153 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:14:35am
154 realwest  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:15:19am

#149 bp_sf is now bp_nj - "I crack myself up."
First you're dancing with yourself at this ridiculous hour of the morning and then you crack yourself up. Didn't I warn you about drinking the water straight from the tap in New Jersey?!?

155 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:15:29am
American Infidel ....unmedicated sociopaths

So they only want medicated sociopaths to post?

156 R2D2  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:18:14am

Wow.

What a piece of WORK.

Thank you very much Richard and Co.

157 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:18:29am

Crude oil prices edge up in anticipation of bad weather.

Crude-oil futures rallied on Friday as forecasters said a tropical depression over the Atlantic has the potential to reach the Gulf of Mexico and disrupt production.
October-dated crude-oil contracts were up $1.16, or 1.6%, at $73.52 a barrel in electronic trading. Other petroleum contracts also rose, with gasoline futures up 4.6 cents at $1.9075 a gallon and heating oil up 2.6 cents at $2.055 a gallon.

To any conspiracty theorists out there, notice this is caused by world market dynamics, not some imaginary oil company hegemony plot.

I've been waiting to hear that world wide supplies of gasoline have plummented since Wednesday. That was the day my Daughter #2 bought her first car, and I don't think she has had her foot off of the gas pedal since. First day she spent $36 in gas driving to various malls to get a $10 pair of earings.

158 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:21:45am

Chirac says 15,000 Peacekeepers 'EXCESSIVE"..

But, but , , , , wasn't that the agreement?

[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

159 Geepers  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:24:44am

American Infidel (#133),

Ahhh no, I am too busy deciding on whether or not I should post information about how certain Lizardoids that have decided to come here and ACTIVELY RECRUIT/POACH posters from LGF to another blog, which shall remain nameless...

After all the times you've condemned the rest of us for being too much of cowards to "name the enemy" we find out that YOU don't have the WILL.

lolol...

160 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:25:01am

3 wood

How are the SouthSiders doing? I ask because I never pay attention to them.


And yes I know the Cubs are on the Titanic. :)

161 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:25:08am
162 realwest  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:26:35am

#158 mama winger - good morning to you! Of course 15,000 is excessive by French standards - they expect the ROE to include and mean, duck, get out of the way or provide sites from which Hezbollah can fire its rockets and missles.
God I hate the French.
Hey, any further word from Little Winger? I keep him, you and all of our troops in my prayers every night.

163 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:26:50am

CANCELLATION OF NEW JERSEY LABOR DAY MEGA-DISASTER

But after Ernesto menaces Gulf, Florence or Nodrog still a East Coast Potential Mega-Disaster


Well, if you missed it yesterday, I believe my idea from Sunday that a major hurricane would menace the Carolinas, New Jersey, New York and New England for the Labor Day Weekend was probably wrong.

Still image of Debbie, heading West-Northwest, to eventually recurve, while next potential NYC Mega-Disaster storm approaches the Coast of Africa. A potential Hurricane Florence disaster would be the weekend after Labor Day, and an even bigger system in Africa, the potential Hurricane Nodrog, would be three to four days after that.

Soon to be Tropical Storm Ernesto in the Caribbean, faces some unfavorable shear for a couple of days, but probably survives to menace somewhere from La Pesca, MX to Mobile, AL


European Community model says New Orleans is threatened. Canadian says Mobile/Pensacola area

Various tropical models on one map, showing general agreement next 3 days on a W-NW track towards Cuba or the Yucatan

164 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:30:33am

#162 realwest

Yeah, yesterday I got an email from him. "Ma, what do you think of this computer? It looks pretty good, and I can get a big discount thru the Army. But first I want your opinion. Do you think this will meet my needs? PS - I already bought it."

Kids. :)

165 Manker  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:31:44am

Poll: Majority wants Olmert out

Reserve duty soldiers, bereaved parents visit Golda Meir's tomb

A caravan of soldiers on reserve duty and bereaved parents on Friday morning planned a visit to the tomb of former Prime Minister Golda Meir on Mount Herzl in Jerusalem to protest the government's failures in the war with Hizbullah and called on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to resign.


Protest organizers Moshe Moskal and Asi Davidoff said that "the prime minister should learn from Golda Meir and not wait until the disapproval of the public, that is currently so rampant in the country, shamefully dismisses him following his failure."

Yup, this is why Olmert is officially the worst PM Israel has ever had. He passed Begin and Meir fast, and now tops it by his refusal to resign, even though he lacks any kind of popular support.

166 ape  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:33:21am

Have you ever read any of David Irving's stuff?

If you like this post, you'll love that.

The Auschwitz gas chambers were 'staged', you know..

I really love these two sentences on EU Referendum blog:

"Their tactics have been both predictable and wearyingly familiar. Instead of addressing our substantive points, they have concentrated on details, picking on our errors and false starts, arguing that such flaws irredeemably damage our case. Others have branded us "right-wing", "pro-Israeli" or simply "conspiracy theorists", as if that could explain away the evidence we have gathered."

The first is a fair description of the tactics of Holocaust deniers and EU Referendum's Qana analysis. As to the second sentence - is the writer trying to claim that he is not pro-Israeli? - and why does anyone need to explain the evidence unless they feel that such 'details' 'irredeemably damage their case'?

Another similar set of deniers are the Chinese Gov re the 'Tiananmen Square' massacre. They are liable to start off by stating that noone died in the square - correct but irrelevant, as the mass killings happened on the streets leading to the square. Thus also the Holocaust deniers. A favorite tactic is to encourage someone in an audience to talk about or refer to a text which mentions either soap made from human fat; lampshades made from skin; or gas chambers at Dachau.

There is (I think) no evidence for the historic existence of any of these. (The first is a myth(?), the second an invention of British propaganda(?), the third an occasional muddled memory.

Thus it is that EUR starts by stating that it is somehow dishonest to say that the bomb fell in Qana (pop: 10,000) rather than the tiny hamlet up the road. I've certainly "lied" everytime I've ever told anyone where I live or was brought up: I tend to refer to the nearby city, not my postal address.

The rest of the material follows the lines of Holocaust denial: The Aushwitz buildings were 'staged', ie, rebuilt. 'SO WHAT?' is the universal cry. This is irrelevant to the facts of history, and does not in fact attempt to challenge them. Thus with EUR and LGF's reporting of Israeli bombing.. looking for propaganda amidst the facts not for the facts amidst the propaganda.

Of what significance to subsequent analysis is it that Goebbels said that 250,000 people died at Dresden? None, unless your theme is the narrow one of Goebbels' tactics.

What does it mean that Aushwitz originally bore a sign incorrectly stating 4 million had died on the spot? Nothing.

It is indeed true that the current Chinese Government is using the Nanking massacre for propaganda purposes and even staging 'patriotic' anti-japanese protests. Does this lessen that most hideous crime?

All the 'severed hands' photos from Leopold's Congo, history's gravest crime, were clearly staged: So what?

The numbers dead at 'Qana' have been revised downward: what's your point?

What legitimate purpose can be served by giving higher priority to the propaganda than the dead?

167 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:33:38am
168 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:34:17am

Aug 25, 4:46 AM EDT

Pakistan withholds terror suspects' info

By MATTHEW PENNINGTON
Associated Press Writer


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) -- Two weeks after an alleged plot to blow up U.S.-bound airliners was thwarted in Britain, Pakistani authorities have screwed tight the faucet that had trickled intriguing details from their investigation.

Mystery surrounds the role played by "key suspect" Rashid Rauf, a Briton with dual Pakistani nationality who has family ties to a notorious Pakistani militant. Pakistani authorities allege Rauf communicated between an al-Qaida mastermind in Afghanistan and the plotters in Britain.

Britain has yet to confirm al-Qaida's involvement in the plans to bomb as many as 10 U.S.-bound aircraft. On Wednesday, it released Rauf's brother Tayib without charge. The Home Office in London refused to say Thursday whether it was still seeking Rashid Rauf's extradition.

Rauf, in his mid-20s, is the only one among the at least seven suspects arrested in Pakistan to have been named. He is being interrogated at a high-walled Pakistani intelligence headquarters in the garrison city of Rawalpindi, near the capital Islamabad.

It's unclear if he or the other suspects have been charged with any offense.

The lack of transparency is characteristic of terror cases in Pakistan, which has netted most of the top al-Qaida figures captured since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on America. It contrasts with the legal process pursued in Britain, where despite tight control on information from the investigation, authorities named two dozen suspects soon after their arrest Aug. 10.

So far, British authorities have charged 11: eight with conspiracy to murder and preparing to commit terrorism, and three others with lesser offenses, including failing to disclose information.

Under Pakistani law, authorities can hold any terror suspect for up to a year without charge. Such a detention must be approved by a panel of judges. In practice, suspects in the custody of intelligence agencies have little or no recourse to the law.

169 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:35:55am

OT- tomorrow we take Baby Joshua to the church for the ritual bath that turns him into a Catholic.


Today, he laughed when I showed him himself in the mirror. I don't know if a 3 month old understands the concept of mirrors. His 5 year old brother makes him laugh to.

170 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:36:21am
Have a great day Geepers, I luvs you no matter how much you hate me

...
No way....I am the hated one

171 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:38:41am
172 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:39:45am
173 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:40:03am

And now, in Entertainment News . . . . . .

Aug 24, 9:54 PM EDT

NYC officials want new 'Survivor' pulled

By SARA KUGLER
Associated Press Writer

New 'Survivor' Divides Tribes by Race

NEW YORK (AP) -- As CBS prepares to launch a new season of the hit reality show "Survivor," this time featuring teams divided by race, enraged city officials are saying it promotes divisiveness and are calling for the network to reconsider.

"The idea of having a battle of the races is preposterous," City Councilman John Liu said Thursday. "How could anybody be so desperate for ratings?"

For the first portion of the 13th season of "Survivor," which premieres Sept. 14, the contestants competing for the $1 million prize while stranded on the Cook Islands in the South Pacific will be divided into four teams - blacks, Asians, Latinos and whites.

174 Geepers  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:40:19am

American Infidel (#167),

I don't want to receive accolades, as you did the other day, for POACHING.

What accusation are you attempting to make against me?

175 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:40:31am

Good Morning One and All!

Happy Summer Friday to my American Infidel neighbor!

Very warm, more humid. Potentially severe thunderstorms this afternoon/evening.

Hope you have your umbrella =)

176 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:41:22am

#170 storemanager

I don't hate you. Not at all.

177 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:42:04am

Friday Joke #2

A guy walks into a bar and sees a gorgeous woman nursing a drink.Walking up behind her he says, “Hi, there, good lookin’? How’s it going?”

Having already downed a few power drinks, she turned around, faced him, looked him straight in the eye and said, . . .“Listen up, buddy. I screw anybody, any time, anywhere, your place, my place, in the car, front door, back door, on the ground, standing up, sitting down, naked or with clothes on, dirty, clean … it just doesn’t matter to me. I’ve been doing it ever since I got out of college and I just flat-ass love it.”

Eyes now wide with interest, he responded, “No kidding. I’m a lawyer, too. What firm are you with?”

178 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:42:05am
179 R2D2  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:43:19am

Ape

Your point is.....?

180 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:45:24am
181 bp_sf is now bp_nj  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:45:25am

Man wakes up with pants, $3,500 missing in Vineland
Wednesday, August 23, 2006
By COLLEEN P. DUNN
Staff Writer

VINELAND -- A 48-year-old man woke up Sunday morning unable to remember how he got into bed, what happened the night before or where his pants went.

[Link: www.nj.com...]

182 Dave Bender  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:45:42am

OT:


I joined Chabad emmisaries, who provided aid and assistance to scores of families afflicted by terrorism, whether in lethal Katyusha rocket attacks or loved ones, sons, brothers and fathers killed and wounded in fighting against Hizbullah in Lebanon.

I will try to post moving (it was quite wrenching just to photograph this series of stills and video...) video clips as well, on Saturday night (IST)...

Dave
[Link: betbender.blogspot.com...]

183 realwest  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:45:59am

BBIAW y'all!

184 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:46:35am

#116 ape

What legitimate purpose can be served by giving higher priority to the propaganda than the dead?

The legitimate point is found in the title to his report: the corruption of the media.

The media carry water for a known terrorist organization, willfully allowing themselves to be directed while filming staged scenes wholly for propaganda purposes. And then they withhold from their viewers the fact that their reports were staged.

The media actively try to support the terrorist contention that Israel is to blame for the deaths, when in fact the blame belongs squarely on the shoulders of the terrorists who hide and launch attacks from heavily populated civilian areas.

Do you think that this is an acceptable practice by a profession that is supposed to objectively report reality?

185 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:47:15am

# 120 mama winger

That f'ing sucks. The guy got douched by his command, and he's been selected to be cast off the back of the sleigh to slow down the wolves.

186 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:47:45am
176 mama winger 8/25/2006 05:41AM PDT
#170 storemanager

I don't hate you. Not at all



thank you

187 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:48:12am

mamawinger ~

Happy Friday to you!

I'm keeping you and Little Winger in my nightly prayers - and I've noticed that I tend to fall asleep now with "Little Wing" playing in my head.

One of my favorite songs =)

188 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:48:54am

#148 AI

I did not see that, but let them. Who cares?

Did you see my discussion on this kind of stuff last week with jehu? We are in WWIII now and I don't have time to be distracted by these silly side issues anymore. I have learned a lot of lessons in 20 some years of being in senior management, and one of those lessons is this. No matter what you do, if you are making a difference you will always have some people throwing rocks at you and criticising. The point is, are you going to let that distract you and stop you from moving forward? Or are you going to nod politely, and press on towards the important goal?

As much as I disagree with some of your views on things, you do a valuable job here of researching and linking to some very good information. I have complimented you on that in the past. I have also defended you at times. Are you going to let yourself get distracted from that important work here and get caught up in silly stuff with others? If so, I think that is a mistake.

We need all the good minds we can get here working on this war. You are one of them. At times, I do think you have let yourself get too "out there", you have been asked once or twice to cool it, you have, and I have complimented you on your getting back in focus.

Don't get caught up in personal issues with other people. What I don't think you may realize, is when one does that, others turn off and move on, and you lose credibility in their eyes.

Let's work to raise the quality of discourse here and let others who want to throw rocks go off to where ever they want to go. Let Charles take care of any issues related to other blogs. As I have said before, we have some great minds at work here. Let's be known here for having a high quality of thought and research to our posts.

The stakes are too high not to.

Okay?

189 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:49:12am

# 132 BenZ

Good to see you back. Many have been worried about you and yours.

190 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:51:25am
191 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:51:38am

AI.....rock on....you are heard

192 beblebrox  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:51:54am

#181 bp_sf is now bp_nj

My in-laws used to live in Vineland. Screwy town, glad they moved to Millville.

193 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:52:11am

Friday Morning "Sven, Olie and Lena" joke: For all you scandihoovians out dere, and others who yust like to laff at us :)

On their honeymoon trip, Ole and Lena were approaching Minneapolis when Ole put his hand on Lena's knee. Lena giggled and said: "Ole, You can go furder den dat, don't cha know?" So Ole put the pedal to the metal and drove to Duluth

194 The Albatross  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:52:38am

Richard North and all of those who assisted and submitted tips to him have done a great service to the community. By exposing bias and the true agenda of media moguls perhaps one of the giants will get back to the business of reporting accurately.

It could happen *wink*.

Bloggers are making a corrupt industry accountable. What an amazing job you all do - swim with the sharks and come up with the trophy fish!

I read and reread EU Referendums expose' and followed his updates from the get-go. Great job Richard!

195 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:52:56am
196 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:53:13am

#188 3 wood
Excellent post ~

Amen
Amen
Amen

197 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:54:22am

# 169 Ed

That was nice. Thanks.

198 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:54:33am

American Infidel ~

Can someone please go to UMMAH NEWS and tell me if they get a blank page as I do?!?

Yes, I do, too.

AI.....rock on....you are heard

Yes, she is heard! And yes, she rocks!

199 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:54:59am

#185 Mike C

Yep. "You didn't do anything wrong, but we're going to punish you anyway."

200 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:55:04am

I have to sell everything and find another place to live in another state....damn....realwest...you have my respect.....this is a pain...lol

201 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:55:20am

#193 mama winger
UFF DAH!

LOL!

202 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:55:20am

#160 mama winger

How are the SouthSiders doing? I ask because I never pay attention to them.


Leaking oil bad. I think the pitching staff is exhausted. That, plus the Sox caught every break imaginable last year and then some, and this year that is not happening. Good chance they will not make the playoffs.

203 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:56:12am
204 beblebrox  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:56:23am

This is a silly thought, but i'm at work in a silly mood today. I'm just wondering if the French "peacekeepers" heading to Lebanon are planning on setting up a MIME field on the border?

205 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:56:33am

# 177 bp_sf

Heh.

206 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:57:05am

#187 Chicago Blue

Why, that's very sweet. Aw...... thanks!

My aunt and uncle live off Clark and Foster. Are you anywhere near there? Andersonville area.

207 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:57:21am

#194 The Albatross ~

Bloggers are making a corrupt industry accountable. What an amazing job you all do - swim with the sharks and come up with the trophy fish!...

Great job Richard!

Amen!

208 Fjordman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:57:50am

The MSM must be sweating.

209 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:58:09am
210 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:58:40am

#201 Babba Zee

Uff Da indeed! Good morning :)

211 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 3:59:04am

#208 Fjordman
after sweating comes plotting a way to stop us
(the blogosphere I mean)

212 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:00:25am

204 beblebrox
Look here's the French Peacekeepers in action:
[Link: www.wlkf.com...]

213 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:00:47am
214 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:01:15am
211 BabbaZee 8/25/2006 05:59AM PDT
#208 Fjordman
after sweating comes plotting a way to stop us
(the blogosphere I mean)



TRUTH is not always heard....But always Marchs on.

215 Geepers  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:02:04am

American Infidel,

You must have missed my post about your accusations at #167:

I don't want to receive accolades, as you did the other day, for POACHING.

Can you back this claim up, or is it just one more of your baseless lies against other LGFers.

216 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:02:19am

# 199 mama winger

It pisses me off, and I never even served. He operated under his command's ROE, and now he's being flushed down the toilet for obeying orders. What, the military doesn't have enough problems that we need to crucify people for obeying orders ? I yam disgustipated.

217 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:02:34am

Morning Mamma and everyone else here....

If any of you missed this one it's an interesting read:

August 24, 2006, 6:55 a.m.

Russian Footprints
What does Moscow have to do with the recent war in Lebanon?

By Ion Mihai Pacepa


[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

218 beblebrox  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:03:03am

#212 BabbaZee

Ahhh, the crack Jerry Lewis Division, I see...

219 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:03:51am

#214 storagemanager
Hey little red caboose how are you feeling with the lung?

220 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:04:39am

#218 beblebrox
Ahhahaaa gah...eww~
LOL~

221 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:05:40am

Hezbolla didn't win by Amir Taheri

Initially Hezbollah had hesitated between declaring victory and going into mourning for its "martyrs." The latter course would have been more in harmony with Shiite traditions centered on the cult of Imam Hussain's martyrdom in 680 A.D. Some members of Hezbollah wished to play the martyrdom card so that they could accuse Israel, and through it the U.S., of war crimes. They knew that it was easier for Shiites, brought up in a culture of eternal victimhood, to cry over an imagined calamity than laugh in the joy of a claimed victory.

Politically, however, Hezbollah had to declare victory for a simple reason: It had to pretend that the death and desolation it had provoked had been worth it. A claim of victory was Hezbollah's shield against criticism of a strategy that had led Lebanon into war without the knowledge of its government and people. Mr. Nasrallah alluded to this in television appearances, calling on those who criticized him for having triggered the war to shut up because "a great strategic victory" had been won.

The tactic worked for a day or two. However, it did not silence the critics, who have become louder in recent days. The leaders of the March 14 movement, which has a majority in the Lebanese Parliament and government, have demanded an investigation into the circumstances that led to the war, a roundabout way of accusing Hezbollah of having provoked the tragedy. Prime Minister Fuad Siniora has made it clear that he would not allow Hezbollah to continue as a state within the state. Even Michel Aoun, a maverick Christian leader and tactical ally of Hezbollah, has called for the Shiite militia to disband.

222 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:06:24am
223 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:06:43am

# 215 Geepers

You do know that those brick imprints on your face are going to be slow to heal, yes ?

224 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:07:05am
219 BabbaZee 8/25/2006 06:03AM PDT
#214 storagemanager
Hey little red caboose how are you feeling with the lung?



hey...my new slogan...is whistle while you breath......fine..lol

225 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:08:06am

Hezbollah Didn't Win
Arab writers are beginning to lift the veil on what really happened in Lebanon.

BY AMIR TAHERI

The way much of the Western media tells the story, Hezbollah won a great victory against Israel and the U.S., healed the Sunni-Shiite rift, and boosted the Iranian mullahs' claim to leadership of the Muslim world. Portraits of Hassan Nasrallah, the junior mullah who leads the Lebanese branch of this pan-Shiite movement, have adorned magazine covers in the West, hammering in the message that this child of the Khomeinist revolution is the new hero of the mythical "Arab Street."

Probably because he watches a lot of CNN, Iran's "Supreme Guide," Ali Khamenei, also believes in "a divine victory." Last week he asked 205 members of his Islamic Majlis to send Mr. Nasrallah a message, congratulating him for his "wise and far-sighted leadership of the Ummah that produced the great victory in Lebanon."

By controlling the flow of information from Lebanon throughout the conflict, and help from all those who disagree with U.S. policies for different reasons, Hezbollah may have won the information war in the West. In Lebanon, the Middle East and the broader Muslim space, however, the picture is rather different. ...

226 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:09:18am

Morning all,

Dreary overcast day in NJ, t-stroms expected.

Maybe ctp might enjoy this.

Just saw these guys on Fox and Friends.

Has it all. Music, women, hillbillies and football, in no particular order.

I think this song just came out. It will be a hit. In western PA, at least.

227 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:10:24am

Geez, a PIMF on my first post of the day. Ominous sign: t-storms.

228 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:10:34am

#216 Mike C

I yam disgustipated.

As am I. Like I said, the fault that they found with the commander seems to be more the fault of adminstration policies at the time. Fall guy. How about we demote Bill? Take away his pension?

spit

230 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:12:04am

In the Ancient peoples were extremely sophisticated, you fools! department:

Revealed: world's oldest computer

Helena Smith
Sunday August 20, 2006
The Observer

It looks like a heap of rubbish, feels like flaky pastry and has been linked to aliens. For decades, scientists have puzzled over the complex collection of cogs, wheels and dials seen as the most sophisticated object from antiquity, writes Helena Smith. But 102 years after the discovery of the calcium-encrusted bronze mechanism on the ocean floor, hidden inscriptions show that it is the world's oldest computer, used to map the motions of the sun, moon and planets.

'We're very close to unlocking the secrets,' says Xenophon Moussas,an astrophysicist with a Anglo-Greek team researching the device. 'It's like a puzzle concerning astronomical and mathematical knowledge.'

Known as the Antikythera mechanism and made before the birth of Christ, the instrument was found by sponge divers amid the wreckage of a cargo ship that sunk off the tiny island of Antikythera in 80BC. To date, no other appears to have survived.

'Bronze objects like these would have been recycled, but being in deep water it was out of reach of the scrap-man and we had the luck to discover it,' said Michael Wright, a former curator at London's Science Museum. He said the apparatus was the best proof yet of how technologically advanced the ancients were. 'The skill with which it was made shows a level of instrument-making not surpassed until the Renaissance. It really is the first hard evidence of their interest in mechanical gadgets, ability to make them and the preparedness of somebody to pay for them.'

For years scholars had surmised that the object was an astronomical showpiece, navigational instrument or rich man's toy. The Roman Cicero described the device as being for 'after-dinner entertainment'.

But many experts say it could change how the history of science is written. 'In many ways, it was the first analogue computer,' said Professor Theodosios Tassios of the National Technical University of Athens. 'It will change the way we look at the ancients' technological achievements.'
[Link: observer.guardian.co.uk...]

The muse-eum (original use of the world, a place where one muses) in Alexandria burned to the ground with all the knowledge of the ancient world inside it...we truly have no idea just how advanced they were


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

231 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:12:18am

BabbaZee ~

Warm greetings to you =)

J.D. ~

Congrats on the Hat Tip and I hope you had a
Happy Birthday!

mamawinger ~

Andersonville area.

Nope, but I know the neighborhood well.

232 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:12:37am
233 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:12:40am

153 AI good stuff
And so — I’m with Rushdie and Amis as I read all the sympathetic coverage in the liberal press about the poor, puzzled Muslims who feel that they are being picked on in airports and flights. If the parents of the young men who are attracted to this murderous martyrdom have lost control of their sons, then they must shoulder part of the blame. If the Muslims who choose to live in our society, with all its so-called tempting freedoms, do not protest against those who wish to destroy it, then how can they expect our tolerance? Why are the moderates not, in their hundreds and thousands, standing outside those mosques that are known to preach hatred, shouting “Not in our name” down their megaphones or “One, two, three, four, no more terror anymore”?

And where are the voices of the ordinary mothers and daughters and aunts from the Muslim community saying, “Enough. No more violence. No more deaths”, as did all those courageous women who helped to bring peace to Ireland? And if they, our Muslim sisters, are mute slaves to — or, worse, themselves in thrall to — the siren call of the death-wish culture, is there any hope for the rest of us?

234 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:13:00am

#224 storagemanager
Good!

235 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:13:07am

#221 ctp
Great article, huh?
:D

236 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:13:31am

Yo Chi-Blue love to the Mutt

237 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:13:56am

#225 J.D.

Hey, got outta my head! ;)

#226 jwf

Thanks... My kind of music! (and the scenery was quite nice, too)...

238 realwest  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:14:11am

Good Morning again y'all - Can't tell ya what the weather is like here in Charlotte, cause my MSNBC weather page states (as it did last night, too) "Data Unavailable" but it looks and feels really nice outside.
Hope everyone is doing fine.

Mike C. I see you arrived safe and sound! Hope your flight wasn't too unpleasant!

239 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:14:33am

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)


[Link: www.uhuh.com...]

240 Geepers  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:14:49am

Mike C. (#223),

Yeah, well, not so long to heal as people believing American Infidel's false acusations against me.

She likes to talk tough, until she's chalenged, then it's all with the baby talk.

So are you going to offer up any proof of your accusation American Infidel?

241 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:14:54am
242 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:15:34am

#231 Chicago Blue

Andersonville area.

Nope, but I know the neighborhood well.

It used to be almost exclusively Scandinavian back thru the fifties. Many of my relatives were born in Swedish Covenent Hospital. But now the area has a distinctly, well, as the British would say, 'Asian' presence.

243 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:15:44am

#235 J.D.

Yes. N2L e-mailed the link -- were you on that distribution list also?

244 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:15:46am

BabbaZee ~

Yo Chi-Blue love to the Mutt

Awww, you bet! That will make his day!

245 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:16:12am

In today's Hitler update, Venezuelan greaseball Chimpy McChavez, leftwing golden boy, says Israel's actions in Lebanon were genocide and brought up youknowwho's name.

BEIJING (AFP) - Visiting Venezuela President Hugo Chavez has denounced
Israel's recent attacks on Lebanon as "genocide," likening its action to war crimes committed by Germany's Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.

"Israel often criticizes Hitler ... but they have done the same thing, perhaps even worse," Chavez told reporters Friday in a briefing during his six-day visit to China.

Denouncing the "fascist attitudes" of Israel, he said: "What has happened was a genocide. They must be brought in front of an international tribunal."

246 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:16:30am

Morning all.

Ah the brothers in arms are at it again. Chavez says Israel's actions worse than Hitler, and Ahmadinejad is more than willing to 'sacrifice' (which really means readily murder) millions of people if it means eliminating Israel.

Gee, Chavez is projecting again, and Ahmadinejad is busy trying to be the next Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot all rolled into one.

247 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:16:32am

{LIZARDS}!

What's shaking?

248 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:17:07am

#241 American Infidel

Greek.

249 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:17:36am

{OBI-WAN!}

the leaves on the trees, daddy-o.

250 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:19:02am

# 238 realwest

Nah - no big deal. An hour late leaving Chicago, but that just means you walk back up the terminal and grab another beer. I got no room to complain. And security, new restrictions notwithstanding, moved pretty damned good. People have adapted to that very quickly indeed.

251 beblebrox  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:19:40am

#226 JammieWearingFool

Your assumption is correct. Here in Pittsburgh these guys are getting huge pretty fast.

252 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:19:40am
253 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:20:12am

#249 {BabbaZee}

Ah kin dig it!

How you doing, good looking?

254 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:20:56am

# 240 Geepers

Sancho Panza informs me you'll need this lance.

255 realwest  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:20:59am

#235 J.D. and
#243 christheprofessor - Morning to y'all - how are you this beautiful day?

256 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:21:16am
257 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:21:27am

#231 ChicagoBlue
Thanks! I had a very nice day and my kids sent lots and lots and lots and lots of flowers.
:D

258 realwest  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:22:23am

#247 Obi-wan - Good morning my friend, hope you're enjoying this great weather too!

259 realwest  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:23:46am

#248 BabbaZee - Morning Babba! How are you feeling this morning? Weather decent up by you?

260 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:24:21am

#253 Obi-wan
Oy.
[inserted tired sigh here]
How YOU doin'?

261 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:25:25am

Hey Real -
humid
raining
Bad Babba weather
Hey call Dorothy with my oil can willya?

262 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:25:39am

Today in Barbarian Military History

716 Arab-Barbarian hordes lay siege to Constantinople

1212 Children's Crusaders reach Genoa

1261 Michael VIII Palaeologus captures Constantinople, restoring the Byzantine Empire

1499 Fourth Naval Battle of Sapienza: Turks defeat the Venetians, begin conquest of the Morea

263 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:26:13am

#243 ctp
No. I'm not.
I'm not the world's most reliable e-mailer anyway.
I found it mine own self at Pajamas Media via realclearpolitics.

#255 realwest
Hey there! Still busy with all the moving stuff, I suppose. I know I am. I finally transferred the cars and registered to vote.
How's Mom?

264 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:26:35am

120 Mama Winger and Mike C.

It's worse than you have said. This is pure, unadulterated Bill Clinton Cover-Up extraordinaire still going on. The navy, and this ship's officers, did NOT want to go into that port that day. They didn't need any supplies, they had no reason to go in. Bill Clinton and his secdef Bill Cohen forced the Cole to go into port to try to impress some oil shiek/"president" of Yemen. Period, end of story.

So they forced them to go in against their better judgement, and further, didn't even give them available intel and new procedures they should have used for security because of the available intel. Every one of those sailors families should file wrongful death claims against Bill Clinton and Bill Cohen.

So nobody, nobody can tell me that there aren't still Clinton ass-coverers working at high levels in DOD. They are all over the place still. Probably will be for many more years. Their presence in State has always gone without saying, but the fact that they still exist in DOD and the intelligence and law enforcement agencies horrifies me.

My awakening to the filth that was the Clinton administration started with Blackhawk Down in Somalia, then Khobar Towers, then a crash that killed several men in my husband's squadron....men that got sent by the Clinton admin to do land mine clearing in southern Africa as part of some Clinton/Princess Dianna bullshit feel-good campaign, US embassies, USS Cole.

Not to mention communications and other military secrets sold to Syria and China. Brazen.

265 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:27:16am

#255 realwest

Good morning. Fine, thanks. Was trying to find a link to the Charlotte radar for you, but can't seem to, for some reason...

266 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:27:23am
267 vxbush  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:28:25am

What's the word today, folks?

I vote for: FINALLY! FRIDAY!

268 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:28:53am

via The Corner...

Celebrating Fauxtography [Michael Rubin]
From the Islamic Republic News Agency today:
Lebanon's Ambassador to Iran Adnan Mansour said here on Wednesday that the Iranian media played a great role in reflecting the crimes of the Israeli regime in its 33-day war against Lebanon. Speaking at the inaugural ceremony of a photo exhibition called 'Lebanon, Epic of Victory' at the School of Media Studies affiliated to Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA), Mansour stressed the decisive role of media in conflicts. "We are all aware of the very sensitive and decisive role of news and photo (media) during a war," he said, adding that news is an account of information while a journalistic photo displays the comprehensive account of an event.

No one can say the Iranians and their Hezbollah proxies don’t know a thing or two about information warfare. The surprise is that so many Western outlets continue to play along.
Posted at 8:44 AM

269 realwest  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:29:02am

Whoops, chores calling - hope to be back in a while.
See y'all!

270 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:30:45am

#264 funky chicken

So they forced them to go in against their better judgement, and further, didn't even give them available intel and new procedures they should have used for security because of the available intel. Every one of those sailors families should file wrongful death claims against Bill Clinton and Bill Cohen.

My word. Horrible. I am so glad you posted this information. I was unaware. At that time, I was not paying much attention. I was naive. Not any longer.

Thank you.

271 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:30:54am

The Zionists Stole Pluto!
Stop Imperialist Hegemonic Planetary Diminishing!
Planetary Size Discrimination is an Intergalactic War Crime!
Science Lied! Pluto Died!

272 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:32:12am
273 Geepers  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:32:46am

American Infidel (#252),

So once again you admit your little personal attacks are simply lies.

274 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:32:57am

BTW, I am LOVING this current story RE Italy commiting more forces to UNIFIL than France and offering to take command of UNIFIL, resulting in a lame move by France to come at least close and still claim command. I damned near fell out of my chair the firt time I heard it. Quadruple-heh.

275 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:33:20am

Good Morning Lizards! It is coolish and overcast in the Near Iowa area this morning.

How are things in your part of the world?

276 windybon  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:33:25am

265 ctp, realwest -

weather.gov will get you anywhere in the country. Just put in the city and state and local forcast and radar comes up. I have my local link in my favorites so I can pull it up instantly.

nhc.noaa.gov will get you to the national hurricane center.

277 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:33:30am

Well, it's pouring now. Do need the rain though.
And that's the forecast thru Tuesday.

Food to eat, things to do. Off to visit some nephews and mom in a bit. Have a nice day, all.

278 Praxeus  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:33:44am

# 130 mama winger

Absolutely.

279 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:33:47am

Another big clue to what a prick billy jeff is was his choice of 4 star generals. Tony McPeak and Wesley Clarke SPIT SPIT twice.

280 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:34:20am

The fallout of the Pluto affair continues...

Widow of Pluto's discoverer 'shook up'

The widow of the astronomer who discovered Pluto 76 years ago said Thursday she was frustrated by the decision to strip it of its planetary status, but she added that Clyde Tombaugh would have understood.

"I'm not heartbroken. I'm just shook up," Patricia Tombaugh, 93, said in a telephone interview from her home in Las Cruces.

Clyde Tombaugh was 24 when he discovered Pluto while working at Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Ariz., in 1930. He spent months meticulously examining images of the sky, looking for a planet observatory founder Percival Lowell theorized was affecting the orbit of Uranus. Lowell was wrong — Pluto is too small to affect giant Neptune's orbit — but Tombaugh found it anyway.

Tombaugh, who died in 1997, was the only person in the Western Hemisphere to have discovered a planet in our solar system until Thursday, when the International Astronomical Union separated it from the eight "classical planets" and lumped it in with two similarly sized "dwarf planets."

The International Astronomical Union, in its insane desire to erase Pluto's legitmate right to planethood, is trampling on widows now.

Monsters.

Damn them. Damn them to hell.

281 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:34:59am

#264 funky chicken
This may interest you
[Link: www.alamo-girl.com...]

282 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:35:29am

MARK STEYN

Espying the Jew

Earlier this year, I chanced to be at a public meeting with the great Caroline Glick of the Jerusalem Post. Afterwards, a gentleman from the audience casually made some allusion to some or other aspect of the Jewish calendar, at which I looked momentarily befuddled. And so Caroline helpfully explained to him that “Mark’s not a Jew, but he plays one on TV.”

By which she meant that, as I publicly “defend” Israel (which is, in itself, a curious formulation, implying that the issue is the legitimacy of the Zionist Entity) and as I have a suspiciously Jewish-sounding name, I’ve been routinely assumed, at least since 9/11, to be a Jew. I’m honored to be so mistaken. And, in truth, even if I weren’t, there’s not much I could do about it. Someone asked me on the radio in Australia, two-thirds into a long, long discussion, about how Jewish I was, and I answered that the last Jewish female in my line was one of my paternal great-grandmothers and that both my grandmothers were Catholic. I then filled in a bit of remaining family background for the two or three Aussies who hadn’t yet expired from total boredom.

And, of course, I’d only been off the air for ten minutes before I was deluged with e-mails triumphantly announcing, “Ah-ha, something to hide, have we, Steyn? Or should I say Stein? Or is it Goldstein? Why so defensive about being Jewish, eh? How come you don’t have the guts to declare your Jewishness every time you write about Israel? Or do your Jewish media masters encourage you to lie to your readers?”...

283 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:35:35am

(Offers Geepers antique breatplate, dented shield and coal-bucket helmet.)

284 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:38:47am

REALWEST --How you doin?

285 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:39:50am

# 280 D D

But at least they set a reasonable lower limit for any sort of description of a planet. If it doesn't have enough gravity to pull itself into a sphere (okay, an oblate spheroid), it ain't a planet of any catagory.

286 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:39:51am

Armour for Mice C : ethno-respective

[Link: www.norbulingka.org...]

287 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:40:12am

280 Dirk Diggler

BASTARDS!

The Zionist Opressed Plutonian Refugees are rapidly becoming a crisis for the intergalactic communities!
We need a UN resolution on Pluto!

288 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:41:41am

#276 windybon

Thanks. I usually use this, then move the pointer over the appropriate area and it brings up the local site. However, the tags aren't coming up for some reason, and when I move it over Charlotte, it brings up the Columbia, SC station instead...

289 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:42:20am

Ahmadinejad:
I'll "sacrifice half of Iran" to wipe out Israel.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Look at that picture - DEMONTIA!

290 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:42:47am

#239 Babba

Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

This is the one that makes me seethe!

291 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:44:00am

Mornin' {Geepers}!

292 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:44:34am

#290 ggt
Oh yea! They ALL make me seethe...but that one is particularly insidious, yes.

293 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:44:35am

#267 vxbush

What's the word today, folks?

Well, I got 27 young skulls full of mush to start teaching the finer aspects of economics to tonight. I look at it as 27 people who have the chance to not be condemned to a life time of moonbattery.

Then I have 18 holes scheduled for Saturday and Sunday at one of our finer tracks in the area.

I'm eating a plate of scrambled eggs with bacon and ham right now that my secretary brought in today.

Life is good.

294 Geepers  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:46:01am

Mornin' {Link Goddess}.

295 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:46:28am

# 286 mama winger

Mice C. ? Now that's downright cold.

296 The Concerned Engineer  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:47:39am

Good morning dead threaders,

I'm looking for a comprensive history of modern Israel that will tell the true story of the Jewish presence in that area. I'm considering the following:

A History of Israel: From the Rise of Zionism to Our Time (Second Edition, Revised and Updated) by Howard M. Sachar

Can anyone tell me whether that is a good choice, or recommend another?

297 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:47:40am

#285 Mike C.
Are you back in the PRC yet?
Chinese Storms Leave 15 Million Homeless

SHANGHAI, China (AP) -- Communities in southeastern China are straining to resettle more than 15 million people left homeless by four devastating typhoons in recent months, the official Xinhua News Agency reported Friday.


Sounds serious.

298 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:48:05am

#290 ggt
If it weren't for my beloved Ronald Reagan (may blessings be upon him) we would be close to absolutely incapable of defending ourselves today -
Remember how hard they worked to demonize him?
My friends husband STILL calls him
Ronnie Ray Gun....
But the most evil man on earth, Jimmah Carter, is a saint.

[SPITS]

299 vxbush  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:48:32am

3 wood

A molder and shaper of young minds. Indeed, please do everything you can to prevent moonbattery in these kids. You can keep the golf; the hubby tries to get me interested, but I just can't seem to get the hang of swinging the club.

300 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:48:46am

Is this thing on?

301 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:50:14am

Mike C,

But at least they set a reasonable lower limit for any sort of description of a planet. If it doesn't have enough gravity to pull itself into a sphere (okay, an oblate spheroid), it ain't a planet of any catagory.

Of f*ck off! What the International Astronomical Union done is worse than Hitler!

302 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:50:47am

#299 vxbush

You and millions of others!

303 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:50:47am

#295 Mike C

Mice C. ? Now that's downright cold.

Oops! Sorry!

/ I meant to type Rat. C.

kidding - kidding! :)

304 Black George Bush  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:50:50am

Morning all!

305 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:50:59am

#226 JWF,

Like the song. Like the girls. Must be the redneck in me. Steelers? Should have been NASCAR.

O.T., if there is one.

But when are we going to get off the stick and start mocking Chavez? We've got the best advertising firms in the world. We ought to be making public service announcements encouraging the Vens to throw this little Fidel out to sea. And blast it across Venezuela's air waves.

306 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:51:36am

Well, I'm off to the office for a bit... You folks have a wonderful day!

307 Carridine  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:52:12am

#297 - Killgore: It IS serious, and Thailand has been getting the China Mist: Mist southern China and typhooned on Thailand...

...which has given Thailand some nasty flooding in the north and northeast...

...on top of 2 decades of deforestation and advancing desertification...

...muddy red-brown floods killing people and taking away the last of already sparse topsoil...

But only Mike C can speak for China, Mr Trout! :D

308 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:52:24am

Well, I told myself this is the day I would get something done. Don't know what, but something. BBL

. . . . goes off looking for a chore . . . .

309 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:52:44am

Dirk Diggler and Mike C.

Don't forget, a football is also an oblate spheroid.

310 swamprat  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:53:04am

297 Killgore Trout.... This is a job for NAIGAN-MAN. ..../Off to work.

311 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:53:11am

I couldn't load LGF for the last two hours. Judging from the low number of posts, I wasn't the only one.

312 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:53:28am

281 babbazee. Thanks babba. She didn't even have the crash that killed people in my husband's squadron and some Army people. I'm going to google it and see what I can find.

313 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:53:42am

A couple more German jihadis captured...
Two more suspects arrested in German bomb probe

- Authorities in Germany and Lebanon on Friday detained two more suspects in connection with a plot to detonate suitcase bombs on German trains last month.

Germany's Federal Prosecutors Office said police in the southern state of Baden-Wuerttemberg had "taken into temporary custody" a new suspect and that they had searched a room in a student dormitory in the city of Konstanz.
....
Lebanese authorities have also arrested a new suspect they believe may have been involved in the plot, a senior Lebanese judicial source said in Beirut.


Student visa = Jihadi hall pass

314 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:54:10am

#311 Peacekeeper
You were better off, LOL
The Lord works in mysterious ways!

SAVE PLUTO!

315 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:54:11am

Mornin' BGB!
Did you have any trouble getting in here?

316 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:55:44am

# 297 K T

Don't worry, it will be a "chocolate city" again in no time.

/Ray Nagin

PS - But yes, it was a bad year in SE China.

317 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:56:28am

Babba:

Look at that picture - DEMONTIA!

There's a reason he always squints. That little creep is planning Holocaust 2.0.

318 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:57:40am

LOL

"Save Pluto!"

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

319 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:58:04am

# 301 D D

Are you slightly miffed ?

Heh.

320 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:58:47am

♪ Good morning {LGF} ♪

It's a pretty good day: it's Friday, my beloved Stampeders crushed the vile Alouettes last night and the weekend is almost upon us.

bp

A 48-year-old man woke up Sunday morning unable to remember how he got into bed, what happened the night before or where his pants went.

Hmmmppf. The ususal Sunday morning at my ex's place 'cept there's usually just the collar of a tee-shirt left 'round his neck.

:P

321 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:00:12am

Pluto just wasn't making contributions to the right PACs, they should have seen this coming. Mars, by contrast, has a great PR department.

322 grayp  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:00:40am

good morning everyone!

More of the Great Mark Steyn

There's a hoary old joke from a few years back in which the Secretary-General proposes that, in the interests of global peace and harmony, the world's soccer players should come together and form one United Nations global soccer team.

"Great idea," says his deputy. "Er, but who would we play?"

"Israel, of course."

323 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:01:07am

Re: my 264 Mike C? don't believe me?

324 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:01:26am

317 Peacekeeper


[Link: www.berryburger.com...]

325 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:01:31am

#320 {Miss Trixie}

That's news?

326 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:01:53am

Well, it may feel to me like it's mid-day, but it ain't, and I gotta get back on schedule, so bye, all.

Mike C. out.

327 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:02:03am

Shalom grayp

328 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:02:36am

Speaking of Nagan:
Ruling Seen As 'Landmark' Victory for New Orleans Gun Owners

"We're encouraged by this latest ruling," said SAF founder Alan Gottlieb. "For almost a year, we've been fighting the city's delay tactics, which included outright lying by city officials that any firearms had been seized.

"Only when we threatened Mayor Nagin and Superintendent Riley with a motion for contempt did the city miraculously discover that they actually did have more than 1,000 firearms that had been taken from their owners."

329 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:02:38am
330 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:02:43am

When Bush took office there were 9 planets, when he leaves there will be only 8, grounds for impeachment?
But YOU, YOU didn't care. Nope. So long as he left Uranus alone, you weren't about to get involved. Bastid.

331 Black George Bush  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:03:56am

Morning Miss Trixie! How ya doin?

332 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:04:56am
333 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:05:09am

#330 Peacekeeper
Bush Lied! Pluto Died!

334 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:05:18am

Here's a link to an Arlington Nat'l Cemetary description of the memorial service for my husband's friends

[Link: www.arlingtoncemetery.net...]

And after the crash, the German defense minister went on TV huffing and puffing that it was our guys' fault. Once they recovered the black boxes, guess what? 100% the fault of the German pilots. They were flying at the wrong altitude, 2000 feet off. It put them right in place to knock our guys out of the sky.

I knew those people.

335 loppyd  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:05:21am

Happy Friday, All!

Drive by post....

At the library copying city ordinances - joy.

Just wanted to pop in and with you all a wonderful weekend!

336 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:05:57am

#298 Babba

Yes, it amazes me.

Interesting stuff, Star Wars and all. He was no fool.

337 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:06:00am

Pluto is now left open to Al Queda infiltration. A base for destablization of the entir Kuiper Belt.

338 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:06:21am

TURKEY: 'HONOUR' KILLINGS, A SCOURGE WHICH IS HARD TO ERADICATE


Turkish police this week released a report containing some grim facts regarding an age-old Turkish 'tradition'. Over the last five years 1,091 people - 710 of them women - have been murdered in Turkey in what are known as 'honour killings'. "These murders are rooted in feudalistic and patriarchal structures," says Canan Arin, who runs the Purple Roof Women's Foundation, a women's refuge. Last year, Turkey introduced a new penal code which states that those found guilty of honour killings must be sentenced to life imprisonment - a belated move say those who question Turkey's ambitions to join the European Union.


Islam's not ready for prime time yet, Keep trying.

339 loppyd  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:06:23am

that sounded like I have a lisp....

WISH you all....not WITH you all.

LOL

Later!

340 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:07:55am

#336 ggt
I posted this the other day but I dont know if you caught it - made me cry....

He was brilliant. And a true man of GOD,
not a religious performance artiste of "churchianity"

341 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:08:02am

No blood for oblate spheroids!

342 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:09:22am

#328 TOFU

"Only when we threatened Mayor Nagin and Superintendent Riley with a motion for contempt did the city miraculously discover that they actually did have more than 1,000 firearms that had been taken from their owners."

And none of those guns would have been sold --right. To add to my disgust, I think of the value of the stolen confiscated property. No one on the police department of NOLA was thinking of profiting?

343 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:09:33am

Later lispy-d

344 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:10:18am

#334 funky chicken
GOD bless them all
thanks for the link

345 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:10:27am

All your oblate spheroids are belong to us!

346 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:10:53am

I don't want to cry today. The rest of my family went to the Holocaust Museum in D.C. last week. I knew I couldn't handle it. I cried at the post cards they brought back.

Thanks anyway.

347 grayp  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:11:11am

Shalom Babba!

#332 J.D. - from your link

And 70% of Iraqis do not know someone who moved because of religious conflict

Yesterday CNN reported there are 250,000 Iraqis living in refugee camps - (IIRC mostly from Anbar province)

348 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:11:31am

DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE: The Geepers-Infidel wars Part XXIVC.

"I know you are but what am I?"

349 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:12:00am

Q:

Where did the "all your base are belong to us" come from?

350 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:12:49am

Pluto is just a dirty snowball in a highly eccentric orbit*

* Not that there's anything wrong with that.

351 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:13:29am

Whoa. Monica Cindrich, widow of Greg.
[Link: www.arlingtoncemetery.net...]

352 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:14:05am
353 Keepandbear  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:14:15am

349 MandyManners

Here

354 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:14:32am

a concerned engineerI can't remember where you post is.

Try: Israel-A History, by Martin Gilbert.

355 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:14:41am

#346 ggt
It may not make you cry, it made me cry though - it's a tribute to Ronald Reagan.....
Don't watch it just to be onthe safe side though...
;~P

HEY! I know....
How 'bout some French jokes?


Q: How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
A: Nobody knows, it's never been tried.


Q. Why don't they have fireworks at Euro Disney?
A. Because every time they shoot them off, the French try to surrender.

Q. Why did the French plant trees along the Champs Elysees?
A. So the Germans could march in the shade.

Q: How many gears does a French tank have?
A: 4 reverse and 1 forward, in case the enemy attacks from the rear.

Q: How can you identify a French Infantryman?
A: Sunburned armpits.

356 soccerdad  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:15:03am

#349 Mandymanners-- from a troll email that Charles received from an illiterate 'detractor'

357 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:16:04am

{Obi-Wan) Good day to you an Mrs. Obi-Wan.

{BGB} Well, hello there. Got any funky plans for the weekend?

358 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:16:09am

#296 The Concerned Engineer

Ha...found you.

359 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:16:55am

#347 grayp
How can this be? Things aren't as dire as we've been lead to believe.

I'm working on sounding surprised. How'm I doing?

360 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:17:02am

Very interesting 15 minutes on C-SPAN. 15 minutes being the actual time I got to watch. Now that school is back in session I might be able to resume the C-SPAN report.

Anyway, there was a panel on Information Sharing in Law Enforcement. Reps were there from the National Guard, FBI, Interpol and a software company.

What did I learn? Interpol has a database of 12 Million pieces of lost or stolen travel documents. They estimate the total number is 30-40 Million. The provide access to this database to law enforcement for free.

The FBI guy had an interesting speel on the state of Al Quaeda today. We've dismantled their finance network to the point that individual cells are getting their revenue from robbing gas stations and selling pirated CD-ROM's.

The National Guard guy said that there are something like 70K Guardsmen deployed here and in the ME. The Guard is 370 years old.

361 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:17:56am

#360 ggt
Interesting stuff!

362 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:18:08am

{Peacekeeper}

Good Morning =)

363 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:18:38am

#355 babba

I read where the French are going to send 2,000 troops to the mideast as peacekeepers. That means 2,000 more white flags just got purchased somewhere in France.

364 Geepers  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:19:14am

American Infidel (#329),

Yeah, nice try. But what someone else said about me doesn't support the accusation you made against me.

And as witnessed by your first and subsequent posts here today attacking Gulf Coast Pundit and the people who post there, do you read the comments over there just to get "evidence" to post here at LGF to justifying your enmity toward them?

365 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:21:13am

#351 funkychicken

Captain Cindrich's body was never recovered, only the tattered remains of his flight jacket. "I will get old without him,'' Cindrich says. "No part of him remains except for his son and his wife. My child - he ran up to every blonde man in a flight suit for a year screaming, 'Daddy.' ''


Clearly, I need to keep a box of Kleenex handy here.

366 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:21:25am

#363 3 wood
Heheheheheheeeeee!

French Military History in a Nutshell

Gallic Wars: Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."

Italian Wars: Lost. France becomes the first and only country ever to lose two wars when fighting Italians.

Wars of Religion: France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.

Thirty Years' War: France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

War of Devolution: Tied; Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

The Dutch War: Tied.

War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War: Lost, but claimed as a tie. Deluded Frogophiles the world over label the period as the height of French Military Power.

War of the Spanish Succession: Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.

American Revolution: In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting".

French Revolution: Won, primarily due to the fact that the opponent was also French.

The Napoleonic Wars: Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

The Franco-Prussian War: Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

WWI: Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like not only to sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

WWII: Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

War in Indochina: Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with Dien Bien Flu.

Algerian Rebellion: Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a Western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare -"We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese, and Eskimos.

War on Terrorism: France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe.

And of course my original French slander:
France is just pissed because it's two best men were a Corsican Midget and a Teenage Girl

367 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:22:29am

#340 baabaazee

And I want to say something to the school children of America who were watching the live coverage of the shuttle's takeoff. I know it is hard to understand, but sometimes painful things like this happen. It's all part of the process of exploration and discovery. It's all part of taking a chance and expanding man's horizons. The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave. The Challenger crew was pulling us into the future, and we'll continue to follow them.

Clip from one of his most powerfull speeches.

IMHO

368 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:22:43am

Sorry, sorry Mama Winger and Mike C. started that little trip down Clinton memory lane.

As critical as I have been of GWB, and I have been, he is not even in the same universe as Clinton was. He is a decent man who values the lives of US citizens and, especially, US military men and women.

AND, back to what is important NOW....I think there's a real awakening to the problem of islam here in the US and in GB. Yes, it's frustratingly slow. Yes, too many people are too damned caught up in American Idol (which I've never watched) and Survivor (which I've never watched) to get with the program...yet.

YES we still have the Clinton traitors in all branches of government, doing anything to get their kin back in control. But it's up to those who care and can do something to work our asses off to make sure that doesn't happen again. My husband still has time on his committment after GWB is out of office. I don't want his CIC to be a POS (apologies to shit) like Clinton.

CHARGE!

369 m  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:24:09am

Think they'll break out the flip-flops?

Air marshals to go native; dress code relaxed

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The armed undercover officers who protect U.S. airlines against attack no longer have to fear being overdressed. They've been told they can ditch their suits for outfits that blend in with their fellow travelers' attire.

The director of the Federal Air Marshal Service relaxed a strict dress code and some of other rules on Thursday, addressing gnawing problems at an organization that has expanded quickly since 2001 but been plagued by poor morale.
On September 11, 2001, there were only 33 air marshals, but now armed law enforcement officials disguised as passengers are deployed on thousands of U.S. airline flights each week. Their actual number is classified, but officials say it is in the thousands.

Dana Brown, who has been seeking to improve working conditions since he took over as the agency's director earlier this year, said that, as of September 1, marshals can choose what to wear on flights.

Good morning all~

370 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:24:21am

#367 fraxinus americana
The speech about Libya in there is whe I started to cry on first viewing
His conviction is clear -
we will go it alone if we have to...
all I could think is how badly we need his sort of conviction today......

371 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:24:25am
372 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:24:49am

355 babba good idea

How do you stop a French tank?
Shoot the guys who are pushing it.

373 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:27:15am
374 m  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:27:32am

I didn't know what it was occifer! Promise!
Senior citizens find nurtured "weed" is pot

PHOENIX (Reuters) - Arizona seniors had no idea what the flourishing plant they nurtured in their driveway was until a passing deputy told them it was marijuana.

A Yavapai County sheriff's department said a deputy spotted the blooming 5-foot-tall marijuana plant growing in the driveway of a retirement community near Prescott, midweek.

"The residents just thought it was a pretty weed and so they decided to nurture it," department spokeswoman Susan Quayle told Reuters by telephone.

The officer yanked out the plant, which Quayle said was either "self-seeded or could have been dropped by a grandchild visiting the community."

"No citations were issued. The officer just educated them," she said.

In the driveway? Okay, now I do believe 'em.

375 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:27:32am

Oops in my haste to post i forgot to be polite.

Morning All!

Happy Friday!

376 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:27:58am

"France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes." —Mark Twain

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." —General George S. Patton

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." —Norman Schwartzkopf

"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." —Marge Simpson

"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure." —Jacques Chirac, President of France

"As far as France is concerned, you're right." —Rush Limbaugh

"The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee." —Regis Philbin

"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." —P.J O'Rourke (1989)

377 m  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:28:04am

Good morning Fraxinus! Happy Friday to you too!

378 mich-again  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:28:40am

Interesting story from the International Heald Tribune about honor killings and other murders committed by Muslims in Italy. When beliefs collide with Western Society and get a load of this oh-so predictable comment from the Islam-defender..

The Muslim community here, which has universally condemned the murder, [orly? who speaks for you all? -ed] strongly resents the allegations that Hina was killed as a result of her family's religious beliefs.

"For us, murder is a sin, not only a crime," said Mahmood Tariq, the director of the Muhammadiah Islamic Cultural Association in Brescia.

"This is an exceptional case," he added, above all a question of tension between members of the Saleem family. "Cases like this happen in all societies."

Ah, the old "don't blame me, everyone else is doing it too" line of defense. Used by elementary school students, politicians, and muslim-apologists everywhere.

379 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:28:53am

Is Captain Kangaroo still alive?

I HATED him when I was a kid...

/stream of consciouness time

380 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:29:21am

Off to make some political donations. Afraid to say that DeWine in Ohio is on his own, in terms of funky chicken money. RINO

381 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:30:23am

#374 m
HahahhahahaHHHaaa

LEGALIZE IT!
USE THE PROCEEDS TO PROSECUTE THE WAR ON ISLAM!
~ the Ganjahadeen

382 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:30:59am

#374 {m}

For more on the subject, check your e-mail.

383 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:31:31am

365 JD. Sorry. It was sad, but what is better about her story is her strength. She has done a LOT with her situation that has helped military members. Just another military housewife. The powers that be better watch out for us!

Good news--we just heard she recently remarried. Hopefully they will be as happy as is possible.

384 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:31:33am

But what about that whole "Noble Savage" thing?

The prisoners were kept in cages for months while Aztec priests selected a few each day at dawn, held them down on a sacrificial slab, cut out their hearts and offered them up to various Aztec gods.

385 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:31:33am

#353 Keepandbear

349 MandyManners

Here



Thanks!

386 m  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:32:24am

#381 BabbaZee
BZ in 08! :D

{Obi-wan}~!

387 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:32:44am

374 m. it is a lovely plant. grows like the dickens too! LOL

388 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:32:59am

#384 Peacekeeper
Allah, Pre-Mohammed.....

389 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:33:49am

#379 Babs

Bob Keeshan died in 2004.

He was a lot more than just Captain Kangaroo. Read his bio. I liked him, BTW.

390 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:34:00am

Dear, dear, BabbaZee, for the first time our tastes diverge: I LOVED Captain Kanagroom!

Considering that he was just one of a handful of kids' TV shows in the late 60s/earlyu 70s...

391 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:34:51am

Wow, not a good day to have French ancestry. Oh well, at 6'1" I should be retired:

It has long been recognized that taller adults hold jobs of higher status and, on average, earn more than other workers.

[Link: papers.nber.org...]

392 journeyscarab  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:34:56am

Laura Ingraham is going to have Robert Spencer (Jihad Watch) and another guest to discuss the underlying issues of Islam.

393 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:34:58am
394 Goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:35:25am

er, Kangaroo.

395 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:35:25am
396 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:35:33am

m,

LOL!
Lotta "firsts" in there....that'd make me the first partially eviscerated tattooed Jewish woman presidential candidate ...

Bwahaha!

397 Keepandbear  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:35:53am

385 MandyManners

You are Welcome

/only thing that's safe around here

398 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:36:01am

What about Mr. Greenjeans?

399 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:36:02am

Morning everyone!

Gray and lousy morning here in NYC...

But it's FRIDAY!

400 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:37:22am

{m}

#739 baabbazee

He will torment you know more.

401 mama winger  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:37:29am

Mr. Moose and Bunny Rabbit.

402 MN_but_red  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:37:56am

Chances are that most of you have seen this, but just in case... type

french military victories

into google, and press the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button.

403 grayp  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:38:10am

Hey! Babba! Did you see this? It's the first I've heard of it and I have no details.

For those who want to catch up on the Al Durah case, which comes to court in France next month, please view the documentary (18 minutes), send it to friends, check out the discussions at the Second Draft, and check in from time to time as I discuss issues related to the trials that will begin on September 14, 2006.

Al Durah: Birth of an Icon

404 Stuck in california  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:38:50am

grandfather clock...

405 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:39:11am

Gah, this could be a long day.
Federal Appeals Court: Driving With Money is a Crime

Eighth Circuit Appeals Court ruling says police may seize cash from motorists even in the absence of any evidence that a crime has been committed.
406 Black George Bush  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:39:48am

#357 Miss Trixie
No funk this weekend. My mom and sister are comming to visit this weekend. Speaking of funk, next time youre in town I'll have to show you the jazz scene we have. Very funky :)

407 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:39:54am

#390 Goddessoftheclassroom
LOL!
He gave me the creeps, I think it was the blonde bangs... haha - too "white" for me probaby! I didnt knowanyone who looked like that guy!
I admit that I was a TV snob as a child, nothing has changed there! I was the only kid I knew who did not enjoy the kids TV shows......


I call TV
IRRITAINMENT!

There are of course excepetions now and even then, I loved Popeye, Underdog, Courageous Cat and Minute Mouse, Bugs Bunny, etc!

Bozo Wonderama and the Capt I hated though

408 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:40:06am

{m} Hiya, toots.

{frax} Good morning.

{* Peace TCG™*} Good day.

My posting will be infrequent today because I'm awful busy. There are worse things.

Talk to you all later.

409 Owl  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:40:27am

Zoom-zoom-zoom-ah-zoooom!

410 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:40:57am

#403 grayp
No I missed that, good lookin' out! Thanks for the link.

411 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:41:34am
412 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:41:37am

409 Owl
AGGGAHAHAHAHAH NOOOoooOOOOoo Zoom either, haha

413 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:42:54am

Well, you learn something new everyday:

Shedd officials estimate Bubba the Grouper was 24 when he died Tuesday.

The 154-pound "super grouper" was abandoned at the Chicago aquarium in 1987, left at the reception desk in a bucket. Shedd officials nursed the fish — then a she — to health and put her in a tank. Bubba changed gender in the mid-1990s, which is not uncommon for certain kinds of fish.

Did you know Bubba, Infidella? Chica?

414 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:43:46am

#400 fraxinus americana
[sigh of relief]

LOL!

415 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:44:02am
416 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:44:36am

Here we go folks. Chirac thinks the 15,000 peacekeeping force is excessive.

PARIS — French President Jacques Chirac said Friday that he does not believe the strengthened U.N. peacekeeping force in Lebanon needs 15,000 troops, calling that figure excessive.


"My feeling is that the figure that was put forward at the beginning of discussions — 15,000 for a reinforced UNIFIL — was a figure that was quite excessive," he told reporters during a news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.


Yeah, that's right Jaques, you wouldn't want anything to get in the way of the terrorists ability to kill jews, would you?

417 The Concerned Engineer  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:44:54am

354 & 358 WriterMom

Thanks, I found it on Amazon and read the reviews--that looks like the kind of thing I was hoping to find--straightforward telling of facts without whitewash or demonizing of either side.

I appriaciate your help.

418 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:46:26am

You know who creeped me out? Bob MCallister of "Wonderama".

I do admit though, that sometimes in the gym I find myself humming:

Exer-cise!
Exer-cise!
C'mon everybody
do your exer-cise!

419 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:46:34am

#398 Peacekeeper 8/25/2006 07:36AM PDT
What about Mr. Greenjeans?

ewwwwwww.......


I just remembered that I did like Beanie and Cecil though - that one was deeply embedded in my head
I must have been under 4 when it was running
and they say Ganja kills your memory.....


[Link: www.toonopedia.com...]

420 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:47:28am

Of course as far as "live action" goes
I loved
the bowery boys
the little racscals
the 3 stooges and
abbott and costello

421 gtiness  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:48:05am

0wn3d

422 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:48:33am

NYTimes
South Lebanon
At Funeral, a Sunni Village Condemns Hezbollah’s Presence

...Criticism of Hezbollah is rare in southern Lebanon, where the group exercises significant influence and economic power. Villages like Marwaheen — which largely supports the Future Movement of Saad Hariri, son of the assassinated former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri — often miss out on Hezbollah’s largess but pay the price for its politics.

“There is no way for us to stop them,” said Ibrahim, who lost several relatives in the attack and who asked that his last name not be used for fear of retribution. “These are not people you can say no to.”

On July 15, Israeli loudspeakers across the border warned villagers to evacuate after Hezbollah began firing rockets into northern Israel from near the town. The families gathered in the center of the village and then went to a nearby United Nations base for shelter, but, they said, they were turned away. Many returned to the village, but one group, including Ms. Abdullah, drove in two cars in the direction of Tyre, a larger coastal town that they hoped would be safer.

About five miles away, one of the vehicles broke down, Ms. Abdullah said, and was soon struck by a shell from an Israeli gunboat. Israeli helicopters then fired rockets at both cars and continued with machine gun fire, she said. Only four people survived the attack, she said, including herself, her niece Lara, who lost her entire family, and two neighbors.

Ms. Abdullah said she walked with shrapnel wounds in her leg and stomach for an hour and a half to get help.

The town’s troubles began sometime last year when a local resident who had converted to Shiism was appointed the local representative of Hezbollah, residents said. Soon strange things began to occur: strangers came through for late-night meetings; trucks would come and go in the middle of the night; and a suspicious-looking white van was parked at each end of the village.

When the war broke out, rockets flew out of the village and a hilltop nearby, and the fears of many residents that trouble would come grew stronger.

On Thursday, one of the suspicious white vans was sitting next to the town mosque. The van had apparently been hit by an Israeli missile, but the launching platform for a Katyusha rocket could still be seen inside. A rocket that lay next to the van a few days earlier had been removed.

Elsewhere, villagers showed off a weapons dump that included heavy machine guns, mortar rockets and launchers, and numerous other rockets left behind. Part of the weapons store had been bombed, but a much larger store down the street was intact.

Residents said Hezbollah was using them as human shields. “One man in this village was able to turn all our lives upside down for just a bit of money,” Ibrahim said. When the villagers left, he said, the fighters did too, as evidenced by the limited damage done to the town.

“We want the army and the United Nations to come in here and protect us,” he said. “Israel is our enemy, but the problem is that Hezbollah gave them an excuse to come in and kill our children.”...

423 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:48:46am

#418 Occasional Reader
Exer-cise!
Exer-cise!
C'mon everybody
do your exer-cise!



AAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHH
DAMN YOU OCCASIONAL
DAMN YOU TO HELLLLLLLL!

424 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:49:28am

OT OT OT

Nagin about GROUND ZERO: a hole in the ground
(from Drudge)

Nagin made the remarks in an interview conducted by CBS News National Correspondent Byron Pitts which will be broadcast on 60 Minutes, Sunday, Aug. 27, at 7 p.m. EDT.

On a tour of the decimated Ninth Ward, Nagin tells Pitts the city has removed most of the debris from public property and it’s mainly private land that’s still affected – areas that can’t be cleaned without the owners' permission. But when Pitts points to flood-damaged cars in the street and a house washed partially into the street, the mayor shoots back. "That’s alright. You guys in New York can’t get a hole in the ground fixed and it’s five years later. So let’s be fair."

425 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:49:58am

The Electric Company had a sort of cool intro...don't remember much other than that.

HEY YOU GUYS!
Movin' out in a new way!
Movin' out in a new way!

We're gonna turn it on!
We're gonna bring you the power!
We're gonna light up the dark of night like the brightestf day in a whole new way!

We're gonna turn it on!
We're gonna bring you the power!
We're gonna tell you the truest words that you ever heard anybody say!

Movin' out in a new way!
Movin' out in a new way!

We're gonna turn it on!
We're gonna bring you the power!
We're comin' down the line, strong as it can be through the courtesy..
of The Electric Company!

Mornin' all

NMM

426 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:50:39am

Oh great.

I've got a temp helping out in the office and she tells me this morning that she is on anti-phsycotic medication. Says yesterday she forgot where hse parked her car. Right now she is sitting at her desk in a trance.

*3 wood dialing phone*

Hello temp agency. Get this temp the he** out of here!

*hangs up*

427 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:51:05am
Reporter: Don't you think there is an inherent danger in sending underqualified civilians into space?
Homer: I'll field this one. The only danger is if they send us to that terrible Planet of the Apes. (thinking) Wait a minute...Statue of Liberty...that was our planet! (à la Charlton Heston) You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!
428 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:51:09am
429 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:51:34am

#413 PK

A preliminary animal autopsy shows Bubba had some age-related health issues and several abnormal growths.

Well I 'spose w/ a gender change there would be some abnormal growths.

430 Owl  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:51:38am

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/po litics/15344918.htm?template=contentModules/prints tory.jsp

liberal democrats - terrorist muslims - what's the difference? U.S. Congressman goes on trip paid for by terrorist org.
What's next? Move the moonrock to DNC campaign headquarters?

431 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:52:17am

#423 BZ:

Occasional Kids are people, too.

(wocka-doo wocka-doo wocka-doo)

432 Praxeus  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:52:20am

Chirac: U.N. Force in Lebanon Doesn't Need 15,000 Troops

And all this time I thought it was the Germans who were efficient.

I guess the French only need a couple thousand 'Peace Keepers' to interfere with Israel and help the Hezbooboos re-supply...........

433 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:52:45am

#389 Ward Cleaver
Ok I can see why you would like him
He just scared a little girl who had never seen big blonde men with bangs before
I thought he was dutch-boy from the paint can grown old

434 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:53:13am
435 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:53:31am

#431 Occasional Reader
[curls into fetal position, goes catatonic]

436 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:53:57am

#425 NMM:

HEY YOU GUYS!
Movin' out in a new way!
Movin' out in a new way!

We're gonna turn it on!
We're gonna bring you the power!
We're gonna light up the dark of night like the brightestf day in a whole new way!

Oh, yeah, like this WASN'T aimed at luring kids into psychadelic drug culture...

437 Geepers  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:54:35am

J.D. (#422),

Gosh, those interpret reports that "can't be fooled" sure seem to be missing a lot of what's going on.

438 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:54:58am

434 WriterMom
I love that site
good post

439 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:55:03am

#436 O.R

Say it isn't so!

440 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:55:47am

#423 BabbaZee

How did you feel about H.R Puff'n'stuff?

441 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:56:33am

Morning {All Y'all}

Babba Zee
How'd you feel about Kukla, Fran & Ollie?

442 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:56:35am

What I truly despised was any thing connected to that HR puffinstuff crapola

And willy wonka. Couldnt get past the first scene when they are all in bed together

EWWWWW


however I did like burger meister miester burger

443 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:57:01am

O.R.

Oh, yeah, like this WASN'T aimed at luring kids into psychadelic drug culture...

C'mon into the bar Rich...all your friends are in the bar.


LOL

/Pryor

444 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:57:45am

#424 Poitiers-Lepanto:

Ah, Whiplash Nagin is at it again. He's busy trying to deflect criticism over his handling of the situation in NOLA by saying that NYC has done quite badly in rebuilding Ground Zero.

Well, he's got a point. Ground Zero is a mark of shame on NYC and NYS because they haven't gotten it rebuilt after 5 years - though they're finally getting construction underway on the Freedom Tower, transit hub, and memorial after years of handwringing and bureaucratic infighting.

Problem is that for Nagin, he became a one-man bureaucratic infight - he reversed himself on key decisions so many times that I started calling him Whiplash for all the 180s he took on rebuilding.

More here.

445 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:57:47am

Re: H.R. Puffn'Stuff et al.

I think James Lileks once aptly referred to this entire genre as "The Sid & Marty Krofft Crap Factory".

446 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:58:04am
This is the garden of make-believe, a magical garden of make-believe Where flowers chuckle, and birds play tricks, and a magic tree grows lollipop sticks. Here in the garden what we say and do We'd like you to join us, and do it too Can you crow like a rooster (cock-a-doodle-doo!) Or clap your hand and stamp your shoe? It's a funny place and it's surely true that we'd like to share it all with you...
447 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:58:59am

#440 Obi-wan
that was voodoo bro
had no idea your post was there
doo doodoo do!

Redstater

Kukla Fran and Ollie did not repel me but I never went out of my way to see it either
My sister like that
She had all the puppets

I had 2 favorite movies as a kid
the 10 Commandments
and Hans Christian Anderson
both got played once a year

Wizard of Oz was OK but not my favorite

448 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 5:59:34am

#44 lawhawk:

Well, he's got a point.

Almost.

The key difference is, while Ground Zero is still un-rebuilt, the city around it works.

Unlike New Orleans.

449 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:00:39am

#422 j.d:

Maybe the NYT needs to get out and read more. Amir Taheri and Michael Young both found quite a few folks who were more than willing to criticize Hizbullah. And quite a few folks are questioning Hizbullah's declarations of victory over Israel, although the perception that they won will linger despite the fact that Hizbullah's capabilities were badly diminished and the costs to Hizbullah were severe.

450 pointed stick  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:01:08am

#446 fraxinus americana
the story box, the story box,
there are no locks the story box,
the stories are here, there all in here
so come inside
the story box, the story box...
/So were Paula and Caroll the first on-air children's show lesbians?

451 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:01:12am

#446 fraxinus americana

NOOOO not the hippie daisy lezbos!

and no New Zoo Revue either, damn you!

452 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:01:53am

450 pointed stick
haha I see I am not the only one hahahahahaaaa

453 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:02:12am

Tornado Warning for NJ and NYC?

Just heard on radio.

454 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:02:18am

442 babbazee. I always hated Willy Wonka. It creeped me out as a kid, and still does.

Kinda like the book James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl or something. Weirdness marketed to little kids.

455 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:02:33am

#445 Occasional Reader
Ha. EXACTLY!

456 grayp  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:02:33am

Oooo, WrtierMom, great link - thanks!

I am really, really, REALLY worried about the UK

Real Crime, Fake Justice

An unholy alliance between politicians and bureaucrats who want to keep prison costs to a minimum, and liberal intellectuals who pretend to see in crime a natural and understandable response to social injustice, which it would be a further injustice to punish, has engendered a prolonged and so far unfinished experiment in leniency that has debased the quality of life of millions of people, especially the poor. Every day in our newspapers we read of the absurd and dangerous leniency of the criminal-justice system. On April 21, for example, even the Observer (one of the bastions of British liberalism responsible for the present situation) gave prominence to the official report into the case of Anthony Rice, who strangled and then stabbed Naomi Bryant to death.

457 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:02:38am

#447 BabbaZee

Can we talk about Pinky Lee, Shari & Lambchop, Crusader Rabbit & Howdy Doody?

458 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:02:59am

And animated cartooning in the 70s... yikes. Other than for pure nostalgic value, who can watch that crap?

459 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:03:15am

#457 Obi-wan
Why Soitenly!

460 Black George Bush  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:03:45am

Hey obi-wan hows it going!

461 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:04:25am

#458 Occasional Reader
Somewhere in the late 50's that shitty lazy animation style started creeping in and then by the 70's it was all over.
Artistic value wise, it is a whopping zero.

462 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:04:47am

#448 occasional reader:
Well, even on the issue of whether Ground Zero is rebuilt - it's been cleared of all the debris, they are beginning construction on several of the key features, and as you correctly note, the rest of Lower Manhattan has undergone a rebirth as businesses returned and new ones have moved into the area taking advantage of lower office space prices.

NOLA is still having problems with basic services, and there are questions as to whether the rebuilt levees will hold despite the claims by the ACoE that they will. People are less likley to trust 'em knowing that they failed the last time.

Oh, and the first hurricane of the season looks like it will take shape over the weekend and head into the Gulf.

463 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:05:02am

#454 funky chicken
Mah Sistah I hated that too.....

464 friarstale  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:05:18am

Blog Pimp!

Hank Williams Memorial Songfest Against Phony Photojournalism





465 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:05:36am

#454 funky:

I always hated Willy Wonka. It creeped me out as a kid, and still does.

Oh, hell yeah. HELL yeah.

Sheesh, a freakish, disturbingly prissy guy who allows horrible accidents to happen to children in his factory, which is staffed by misshapen, dwarfish slaves. And this is the hero?

466 pointed stick  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:05:55am

#452 BabbaZee
I think it was a regional thing (tri-state area), because Mrs. Stick, a Philadelphian, never heard of them.
That and the New Zoo Review.
/I was kicked off of Romper Room before it aired --I could have been a regular if I could only sit still!

467 Geepers  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:05:55am

Owl (#430),

From your link:

[Five-term Democratic congressman Danny Davis] defended the trip, saying he traveled there at the behest of ethnic Tamils who live in his Chicago congressional district so that he could examine charges that the region was not receiving an equitable share of relief funding sent to Sri Lanka in the aftermath of the December 2004 tsunami. Davis has been harshly critical of the Sri Lankan government's treatment of the Tamil minority.

If only Congeressman Davis were as dedicated to helping the good people of Chicago.

468 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:06:04am

#460 [BGB]!

Good to see you, man!

Hope it's not too humid in Houston today.

469 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:06:17am
470 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:07:19am

VDH: Failure to Communicate

Damn. I love that man.

Planning ideal dinner party in head: Steyn, VDH, Melanie Phillips...

471 friarstale  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:07:38am

424 P-L
I'm no Ray Nagin fan, but isn't he right?
The WTC Memorial/Rebuild project has had some bugs

472 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:07:45am

#461 BZ:

and then by the 70's it was all over.

Ah, but then there was a renaissance... Simpsons, Ren & Stimpy, even the Powerpuff Girls, are vastly better than anything that was being made 30 years ago.

473 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:07:51am
474 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:09:18am

Since this has become the nostalgia thread, my favorite kid's shows were the series like:
Sky King
Fury
My Friend Flicka
Sgt. Preston & Yukon King
Rin Tin Tin
All except Lassie - couldn't stand that whinin' dog!

Favorite cartoon:
Mighty Mouse!

475 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:09:21am

#472 OR

Anyone besides me remember Ruff & Ready?

One of Hanna/Barbera's first.

476 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:09:42am
477 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:09:45am

#466 pointed stick
HAHA
That frikkin' psychedelic magic mirror......

wowowowwwwww

Someone else I know WAS a regular...I remeber them telling me this... I just can;t remember who the hell it was...

/old

Hey I was once on some early morning church show singing in the choir at
WOR SEEE-Caucus NJ
the set next door was for
Bowling for Dollars....

LOL!

478 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:10:34am

#437 Geepers
:D

#449 lawhawk
Already read the Taheri article and posted it and I linked Young's yesterday iirc.
But I thought the article was...progress, at least, for the Times.
eternal optimist

Did you know if you use lower case j.d. I don't find it when I search J.D. for comments I missed? They're just my initials, I'm not pretending to be a lawyer. Honest.

479 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:10:58am

#476 American Infidel

Ahh we finally discover the crux of our ideological divide

LOL

480 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:11:21am

Crap..I forgot to link!

{duh}

VDH here

481 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:11:47am

#474 redstateredneck
Mighty Mouse was da bomb
Loved him.

482 humanity  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:12:34am

Perhaps western Goverments needs our support... at last the securities they are imposing are for us...


Ryanair to sue government for £3m

Ryanair is to sue the UK government for £3.3m for losses it says it incurred because of tighter aviation security.

Ryanair gave the government a one-week deadline to normalise the procedures introduced following the foiling of an alleged plot to bomb airliners.

Passengers are limited to taking one small piece of hand luggage, and are being subjected to frequent searches.

Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary called the measures "a shambles". The government said the airline had no legal grounds.

'Government failure'

Dublin-based Ryanair said it would give the proceeds to charity.

"It is a shambles and a cock-up and we are giving terrorists and extremists a victory," Mr O'Leary said.

"The government has, two weeks after the events of 10 August, still failed to get UK security back to normal."

Mr O'Leary warned that the current security measures would result in delays over the Bank Holiday weekend.

The government has said it will not pay compensation or "compromise security" by easing travel restrictions until the threat level has significantly receded.

It said the 1982 Aviation Security Act gave it the power to implement measures for the safety and protection of the travelling public.

"We do not believe that Ryanair have any legal grounds," said a spokesman for the Department of Transport.

"We continue to face a serious security threat and we will not compromise security."

But Ryanair plans to use provisions within a separate law - the 2000 Transport Act - to seek compensation for losses incurred between 10 and 16 August.

Chaotic scenes

After details of the alleged bomb plot emerged, the government banned passengers from taking any hand luggage onto flights leaving the UK.

The measures led to chaotic scenes at Heathrow and other leading UK airports as hundreds of flights were cancelled and thousands of passengers experienced long delays.

Restrictions were eased slightly several days later but the measures have been fiercely criticised by Ryanair, BA and other carriers.

BA has said it is considering seeking compensation from airports operator BAA for failing to handle airport security efficiently during the emergency.

The security clampdown has been particularly problematic for Ryanair because it prefers to put as little luggage into plane holds as possible to ensure a quick turnaround of flights and thus maintain lower prices.

It has called for larger briefcases to be allowed as hand luggage and for the current policy of searching every second passenger passing through X-ray security to be relaxed.

The carrier has also claimed it is "nonsensical" to reduce hand luggage on outbound flights but not on inbound services.

483 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:12:47am

#472 Occasional Reader
I am a modern cartoon tard I have only seen Spongebob

484 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:12:58am
485 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:13:05am

#474 redstate:

Favorite cartoon:
Mighty Mouse!

I defy you to watch the original King Kong, and not think of Mighty Mouse while listening to the background music. It's an exact match.

486 Stuck in california  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:13:08am

Tom Terrific
The Roy Rogers show

487 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:13:10am

Man we got a monsoon going on here

488 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:13:19am

It's the new zoo review-ew-ew-ew
Coming right at yeeeeew
Where three delightful aaaaanimals
Have fun with what they dooooo

/puzzled by how sick this actually is

489 pointed stick  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:13:48am

#477 BabbaZee
Yes, definitely a trippy sub-current. Lol. Children's shows brought to you by the Grateful Dead...and mushrooms.

Unfortunately I was too hyper to sit for anything in those days...first poster child for ritalin! Now I am getting it back in spades with mini-me.

490 Yank in the EU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:14:33am

#229 JD

This passage from VDH stuck out to me:

In fact, the current strategy of having removed the two most odious dictatorships — the Taliban and Saddam Hussein’s — and fostering democracies in their places remains the only sensible course. Far from winning this war for the future of the Middle East, Syria, and Iran are increasingly isolated, desperate to thwart democratization that surrounds their borders in Turkey, Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, and Lebanon, and facing world sanctions for their roguery. For all its messiness, the promotion of democratic reform infuriates the Islamists and paid-off Arab journalists and intellectual toadies alike, and ultimately works in our favor.

LOL, nobody says it better!

491 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:14:33am

#470 WriterMom
I'll behave I swear, invite me invite me, LOL

492 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:15:17am

#471 friarstale:
Saying that there were/are problems with the rebuilding at Ground Zero is something of an understatement. I've been blogging the rebuilding for more than 2 years now, and I didn't call it the Battle For Ground Zero for nothing.

493 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:16:45am

*surfaces*

I loved this cheesy 'toon, courtesy of the 'Toon Tracker'

:D

*dives*

494 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:17:17am

Creepy? I'll tell you what's creepy on TV now... Chrysler and those [Link: www.autoblog.com...]

I keep thinking of Dr. Mengele.

495 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:17:21am

Lots of interesting stuff on the front page here
[Link: www.onejerusalem.org...]
today
This is in part Dore Gold's site BTW
and one of my favorite sites to check every day

Writer Mom put him on your guest list please ;~P

496 Black George Bush  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:17:28am

#468 Obi-wan
Its been worse :) Hope all is well with you and the miss.

497 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:17:47am

#494 Peacekeeper
YESSSSS

498 pointed stick  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:18:19am

#488 WriterMom
That's it! Few things more distrubing than a 5'11 frog, hippo and owl dancing and singing...badly.

Anyone remember the Wacky Races? with Dick Dastardly, Mutley and Penelope Pittstop?

499 abolitionist  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:18:25am

Cox & Forcum - Profiling

500 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:19:18am

And the little girl asks: " Doktor Z, how many Juden can we fit into your new minvan?"

501 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:19:38am

When you find yourself in danger,
When you're threatened by a stranger,
When it looks like you will take a lickin',
(puk, puk, puk, puk)

There is someone waiting,
Who will hurry up and rescue you,
just Call for Super Chicken!
(puk, ack!)

Fred, if you're afraid you'll have to overlook it,
Besides you knew the job was dangerous when you took it
(puk, ack!)

He will drink his super sauce
And throw the bad guys for a loss
And he will bring them in alive and kickin'
(puk, puk, puk, puk)

There is one thing you should learn
When there is no one else to turn to
Call for Super Chicken!
(puk, puk, puk, puk)

Call for Super Chicken!
(puk, ack!)

502 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:20:22am

#491 BabbaZee

LOL! Of course you're invited. Just don't go stealing any of my men. I'm the Lizard Hostess With The Mostess...

Seriously-why don't you ever come to Toronto?

503 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:20:42am

#489 pointed stick
The Lord spared me such revenge, LOL -
I was not hyperactive,
just a really strange introverted! kid.
I am still strange, LOL
Intorverted I got over.

504 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:21:38am

Ja. At sa new Chysler ve say "Work makes you free".

505 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:21:40am

#492 LAWHAWK

Saying that there were/are problems with the rebuilding at Ground Zero is something of an understatement. I've been blogging the rebuilding for more than 2 years now, and I didn't call it the Battle For Ground Zero for nothing

Just heard a caller to the "Brian and the Judge" show who said what is causing such a long delay in building a memorial at Ground Zero is they planners can't figure out just how big a slap in the face of the American people they can get by with.

506 pointed stick  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:22:49am

#503 BabbaZee
We are all quite strange! ; )

507 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:23:05am

#502 WriterMom
Traveling is really hard on me,
I barely go anywhere any more.
Which explains in part why I have 20K + posts, LOL

508 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:23:38am

#506 pointed stick
VIVA LIZARDIA!

509 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:23:48am

#498 pointed stick

Listen, dah-link-you really don't want me to get started on what is more disturbing than that...

I may seem like a civilized, docile poster (ROFL), but occasionally-the DARK SIDE appears...

510 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:23:57am

384 PK tsk tsk. You know me must value all cultures, and especially religions, equally.

Supremacist ideologies masquerading as religions? Hmmmmm

511 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:24:20am

Geez you guys were BUSY while I was playing on the computer doing work.


blackgeorgebush

No funk this weekend. My mom and sister are comming to visit this weekend. Speaking of funk, next time youre in town I'll have to show you the jazz scene we have. Very funky :)

Forced Family Fun -- so sorry.

512 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:25:14am

This is what I had to put up w/ on Saturday mornings? Still watched every week 'tho.

513 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:25:21am
514 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:25:40am

Maybe but Thank the Lord, the Aztecs make the Jihadists seem like pussies. I for one am glad they are extinct.

515 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:26:13am

#507 BabbaZee

Now if only you could convert those to free travel miles!

516 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:26:13am

WHAT have I been doing, you ask. The new age version of putting pictures in an albumn. Two vacations and a summer of pictures to crop, correct color, organize and email.

517 pointed stick  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:26:46am

#508 BabbaZee
Exactly! lol...

#509 WriterMom
Ooooohhhh..../takes out popcorn/...Do tell...

-i really didn't feel like finishing my pretrial motions until the weekend anyway.

518 m  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:27:05am

#396 BabbaZee

LOL!
Lotta "firsts" in there....that'd make me the first partially eviscerated tattooed Jewish woman presidential candidate ...

Bwahaha!

It'd be about time, too! :D

519 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:28:34am

500 PK my dad's met Doktor Z. Several years ago Ford Motor CO sold their heavy truck division to Daimler Benz-Chrysler or whatever they call it now. All Ford heavy truck dealers took it in the shorts as DB-C also owns Freightliner, a huge heavy truck firm. So DB-C spins off a new line of trucks called Sterling, which is actually a nice truck (miracle of miracles). Unfortunately, the Sterling factory is in Canada, so the poor dealers have socialist overlords in Germany and Canada to deal with. It hasn't been fun.

520 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:29:11am

#518 m

And the First Lizard!

521 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:29:22am

#513 taxfreekiller
I will pray for you.

522 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:30:07am

Dinner party from hell: Amira Hass, Noam Chompsky, Yossi Beilin, Cindy Sheehan, Adam Shapiro, Fiskie, Head of BBC, Head of CBC, Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, music by Dixie Chicks.

Now that's SICK!

523 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:30:20am

BTW
The Senate race in Vermont is heating up. Our resident socialist Bernie Sanders has gone into campaign mode, combing his hair, wearing a necktie and posing with the flag (The American one). He also managed a smile.

When Bernie whips out a tie, you know he's worried.

524 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:30:53am

#515 Obi-wan
LOL!

Going to the live threads for another few minutes and then the nap

Thanks for the hahas dead thread

525 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:32:02am

458 OR Scooby Doo still rocks. Yes, the artistic merit is very poor. But it was the best, until they tried to change it by bringing in ? Harlem Globetrotters? Batman? and the excreble Scappy Doo.

526 TalkinKamel  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:32:11am

#522 WriterMom

AIIIIEEEEEE, THE HORROR, THE HORROR!

(Dinner party from Hell, indeed! I feel faint, just looking at your guest list! Gaaaah!)

527 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:33:41am

426 3 wood. Wow. uh, keep your door shut for a while. Maybe go down the fire escape for lunch? :-)

528 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:34:19am

There are live threads?

Kermie is my frog, forever and always!

529 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:36:29am

#526 TalkinKamel

{KAMEL!}

530 paint-right  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:37:41am

Anyone remember "Clutch Cargo" in which there was barely any motion except for their mouths which were real human mouths ?

Like on Conan nowadays.

531 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:38:13am

I wanta play...are we still talkin bout old TV shows?

morning all!

532 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:38:59am

Charles is definitely awake

533 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:39:02am

#ape- given the levels of staging in the photos and the eighth hour delay in the between Israel's attack on the area and the subsequent collapse of the building, you are making the supposition that Israel killed anyone in the building. Given the ghoulish treatment of the bodies, no such benefit of the doubt need be given.

This war was one thing and one thing only: a criminal terrorist organization bent on genocide attacking across an internationally recognized border in furtherance of their murderous desires. In the process of perpetrating innumerable war crimes and crimes against humanity, this group hid among civilians to both maximize civilian casualties and as a separate war crime itself.

The organization that committed these crimes has no legal authority to even exist. But it does get billions in aid from Syria and Iran the two countries that most export terrorism and are responsible for hundreds of Jewish murders over the years.

You feel the civilian deaths are all that matter to deflect where the criminal responsibility for those deaths belong: Hezbollah and their paymasters.

You can google my posts on the mathematical proof of Israel's humane prosecution of this war, upholding the highest standards of military professionalism. The record speaks for itself. The laws of war look to combatants not abusing civilian bodies and not causing more casualties than necessary.

At LGF we don't deny Israel inadvertently killed civilians in the war; we count these deaths as an avoidable tragedy but an inevitable product of the criminal behavior of those actually responsible. Remember, but for Hezbollah's attack on Israel every single child in the photo would be alive today. If you shove a child into the path of a bullet, you killed the child, not the person shooting. It is a small but elemental aspect of law and human morality that somehow escapes you.

So turning to the Qana footage, EUreferendum has categorically proven that a group of reporters for the world's most prestigious news groups conspired to use a tragedy for propaganda purposes, falsely accusing Israel of the massacre, when the representatives of those actually responsible were directing the footage. The individuals involved in staging the photos did not do so out of the kindness of their hearts: they deliberately staged the photos, may have supplied the bodies, in furtherance of their genocidal war. They broke every rule of journalism (and are not ashamed of it either) and by doing so they helped the cause of one of the most loathsome groups ever defecated out into the hot sun of middle east.

Qana was obscene. Not just for the twisted use of the dead. It will be used to vilify Israel for years to come. The real denial is people like ape not seeing this as an act as one of many such deeds of hatred designed to deligitimate Israel; such propaganda has already successfully turned many in Europe against the justice of Israel's cause.

534 jehu  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:39:11am

The Bullwinkle and Rocky cartoons were pretty good. Boris and Natasha etc...

Course the REAL cartoons were Looney Tunes...all the best.

Anyone Remember Felix the Cat? The main villian was a car part...Master Cylinder.

535 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:39:47am

I don't know, I think all the talk about old TV shows is a plot that will lead us to Mickey and Pluto. Some people just can't let a planet go.

536 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:40:17am

483 babba. SpongeBob is the only modern cartoon worth seeing. Trust me on this one, as I get to watch lots of them.

537 jehu  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:41:06am

Yoggi Bear (Jellystone Park)


Underdog

538 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:41:37am

Whatever happened to Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp? I wish they replayed those, I loved that show.

539 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:41:53am

#536 Funky

What is it with Spongebob? My son and husband love it --and I don't get it. What's the deal? Is it a guy thing?

540 ggt  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:42:39am

I have 500 digital pix to deal with.

Have a great day all!

541 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:43:24am

Anyone else remember "Space Patrol" with Commander Buzz Corey?

542 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:44:53am
543 pointed stick  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:45:07am

#534 jehu
I like my cats jazzy --Corageous Cat and Minutemouse...With that Edward G. Robinson frog villian...
Yea, Corageous...It's all over see...

544 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:45:10am

#533 very concise & well stated! should be sent to everyone!

545 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:45:54am

{Obi} do you remember "Winky Dink"?

546 pointed stick  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:49:01am

#539 ggt
Is it a guy thing?
Rumour has it that it's a gay thing (as to spongebob himself). Not that I think you should worry about that...Personally I don't get it. Tinky Winky is far more obvious, what with the man bag and all...

547 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:49:40am

morning {frax}!

you are too young for me to play TV trivia with!

I do remember that Grandfather clock had scary eyes!(Captain Kangaroo)

548 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:49:46am

#545 {Beach Lover}

Vividly!

549 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:50:38am

It's FRIDAY! "YES"

To bad I work 24 hours. )-:

Morning everyone.

550 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:51:00am

one of my favs was "Heckle & Jeckle"! ;-)

551 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:51:42am

#525 funky:

OR Scooby Doo still rocks.

Zoinks!... don't know if I'd share that assessment, but I have to admit it works. All of my nephews went through a Scooby Doo cult phase.

The only thing I saw while watching SD with them that made me laugh; they have a DVD with some sort of animated Scooby movie, of more recent vintage. The characters are shown as sort of doing a retrospective of their past adventures. At one point Fred, citing some episode in which he winds up dressed as a gladiator in an arena fighting monsters, says something like, "this really fulfilled a lifelong dream of mine... being a gladiator". I laughed out loud. Yeah, Fred, we always suspected you, ah, swung that way.

#534 jehu:

Course the REAL cartoons were Looney Tunes...all the best.

Sheer cartoon artistry, at every level. I've seen nothing that really matches them.

552 SlothB77  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:51:53am

Nagin has a point. Imagine you are OBL. You go to Zawahiri "Hey, it's five years later and they still haven't started rebuilding the damn thing. Those infidels are stagnating. If all we gotta do is knock down a building and then they will spend the next 10 years bickering, we get the edge."

Seriously, the guy in The Fountainhead would have had the towers rebuilt by now.

553 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:52:48am

ggt

What is it with Spongebob? My son and husband love it --and I don't get it. What's the deal? Is it a guy thing?


I'm with you - I do not get Sponge Bob; and Patrick? Please...

554 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:53:51am

548 Obi! I finally talked my parents into letting us order the "secret plastic screen to put on the TV"...and the show went off the air!

555 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:54:04am

Fractured Fairy Tales

Beauty and the Beast

Once upon a time there was a magnificent golden castle on a silver cloud high up in the sky, which has nothing to do with anything because our story is about an old woodchopper who lived in a shack, but thats a good way to start a fairy tale. The old man was very happy, but he had a daughter, that was very unhappy because, well...she was rather plain. Actually she was really plain. In fact, she had a face like five miles of bad road.

556 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:54:22am

539 ggt. well, I'm a mom. So I hope it's not only a guy thing LOL

So silly it's stupid. If you get the first season on DVD you might become a convert. The gag is getting a wee bit old by now I guess.

557 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:56:39am
558 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:56:49am

#555 nmm
I loved Fractured Fairy Tales!
And that little musical jingle they played.

559 Keepandbear  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:57:05am

Redstate

Do you like Monty Python?

Spongebob has a more British dry humor to it IMO.

560 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:58:01am

#554 Beach Lover

We got the screen, too. I think I used it twice.

561 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:58:19am

472 LOL OR Ren and Stimpy for children? Uh, not mine anyway (yet). Hell, why not just show them Beavis and Butthead? Oy vey.

562 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:58:35am

J.D.

And that little musical jingle they played.

Wasn't that the one with the "Janitor" cleaning up after the parade too?

NMM

563 3 wood  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:59:33am

Yesssss!

The Temp from he** is goneski as of lunch, never to return. Hope she remembers where she parked the car.

I had to explain to the Temp Company the concept of sending me someone who can actually help out around the office, not somebody who just sits in the corner slipping in and out of phsycotic drug induced trances.

I think they understand the concept now.

564 J.D.  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 6:59:45am

#562 nmm
I'm not sure...
But I can't get it out of my head now!

565 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:00:02am

{Beach}

548 Obi! I finally talked my parents into letting us order the "secret plastic screen to put on the TV"...and the show went off the air!


My brother didn't understand that part about you had to order the screen; he connected the dots to build the bridge directly on our t.v. screen. I can remember him having to scrub the crayon marks off and crying about how it wasn't fair!

566 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:00:10am

557 AI The Jimmy Neutron movie is pretty good. The daily cartoon is hit and miss, usually miss for me. Don't really know why...

567 wargammer2005  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:02:18am

zombie

re:mac to pc

my late wife was a MAC user
took me 6 years and 2 fried SE-30s to get her to use an IBM laptop

all i heard for the next 2 years was "Why do they do it this way?" and "what do you mean 2 mouse buttons!" and "this is so stupid"

my response "Yes dear, Bill Gates made 50 billion dollars for being stupid"

i still feel that Windows killed her....

568 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:02:58am
569 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:03:06am

keep


Do you like Monty Python?
Spongebob has a more British dry humor to it IMO.


Maybe that's my problem - that Brit humor doesn't really cause me to slap my thigh or guffaw or anything!

570 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:03:15am

#563 3 wood

Don't bet on it.

Temp agency= warm bodies, not necessarily conscious or cogent.

571 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:03:36am

#561 funky:

Ren and Stimpy for children?

NO NO NO heavens no. I was just talking about animation in general. PowerPuff Girls are quite good, though; cleverly written, good for kids, and provide some wry laughs for grownups, too. (I love Mojo Jojo, and do a fairly decent imitation of him, if I do say so myself.)

572 funky chicken  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:07:18am

571 OR. ah, understand now. Yes, I like the powerpuff girls too.

Time to tear myself away and try to get something done today.

Have a great day, and remember, people are waking up!

573 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:07:27am
574 MN_but_red  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:09:22am

#501 newmelleman

...Super Chicken...

I forgot about that one, I was thinking "Chicken Man" when I started reading your post.

575 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:09:46am
576 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:11:07am

OK...this one is for you born in the fifties!

for rest..think "Happy Days"
*geesh

577 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:20:58am

#576 Beach Lover

Loved it! Thank you sooo much!

578 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:22:00am

whew..I thought the dead thread went ....dead!

579 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:24:14am

#576 Beach Lover

That was great, and yes I do remember thos days. They were the BEST!

Thanks. (-:

580 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:24:36am

#578 {Beach Lover}

I think everybody was checking out the link you provided!

NMM

581 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:28:37am

Beach

OK...this one is for you born in the fifties!

That would be me!

582 MN_but_red  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:30:46am

#576 Beach Lover

OK...this one is for you born in the fifties!

I missed the 50's by three months, but most everything in there was familiar to me at least somewhat. My first dream car was a 64 1/2 Mustang when it first came out - my Dad's was the Jensen Interceptor (of course he was old enough to buy one when that came out).

Thanks!

583 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:36:46am

I know beach thinks im tooo young but took me for ever to find this song.

584 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:44:14am

Ahh the adventures of James and Artimus.

585 MN_but_red  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:45:14am

#583 fraxinus americana

I know beach thinks im tooo young but took me for ever to find this song.

Your link killed that site (it has now exceeded its transfer limit). What song was that?

586 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:46:38am

frax
Nobody is too young for Andy - syndication knows no age limit!
:D

587 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:47:12am

#585 MN_but_red

The theme from Mayberry RFD or The Andy Griffin Show. Take yer pick.

588 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:47:28am

#585 MN_red

Fishin Hole Andy Griffith Theme.

589 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:47:49am

The cars in Beach's link were what my friends were driving when I was in high school in the late 60's.

590 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:50:30am

#586 Red

TV land was awsome now I'm starting to miss it.

*sigh*

591 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:50:55am

583 frax..that's practically the national anthem of the Carolinas...next to beach music, that is!

I don't know how to link the sound on real player..maybe you can help me out...but here's the link for beach music

592 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:52:10am

If there is reincatnation, I want to come back as a 1957 Pontiac Super Chief convertible with a continental kit and fender skirts.

593 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:55:15am

maybe this one...test

don't think the last one worked ?

594 MN_but_red  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:56:53am

#592 Obi-wan

If there is reincatnation, I want to come back as a 1957 Pontiac Super Chief convertible with a continental kit and fender skirts.

All I can think of after that comment is "My Mother the Car"...

595 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 7:59:28am

Obi wants to wear skirts?

Well, OK.

:P

NMM

[Obi]

596 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:04:44am

Loved this game show as a kid not that i understood the humor. Then I still liked the reruns on game show network. Smoking ciggarettes right on the set and all.

597 Obi-wan  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:08:32am

#595 NMM

Just for my fenders.

598 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:12:51am

#597 Obi

Don't forget to accessorize!

:)

NMM

599 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:13:27am

frax! My Mom still watches that on the GSN...the mic he held is about 5 ft long! LOL

and the glasses! HAHAHAHA

600 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:16:31am

My oldest son got so excited watching the "Price Is Right" one time when the lady won A NEW CAR! ! !..that he picked up my youngest (about 2 at the time) and dropped him on his head!

*maybe thats whats wrong with him* LOL

601 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:17:01am

*sniff* *sniff*

I smell a diaper change in my near future.

602 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:22:27am

Lord, do you oldsters remember Queen for a Day? What a pathetic game show. Three women would come on and tell how horrible their lives were (my daughter's in an iron lung and my husband left me and I was just diagnosed with cancer, blah, blah, blah) and then whoever got the most applause would win a mink coat or some such shit.
How awful was that?

603 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:28:29am

#602 {rsrn}

Sounds like the genesis of the old "you think you had it bad" competition.

Oh yeah!?! Well, my son lost both arms in the thresher while my husband was consorting with Rosie the Riveter.

something like that

NMM

604 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:31:58am

red! I remember...and sometimes they won a washer & dryer! And were excited!

It was pretty pathetic...

605 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:32:56am

oldsters?

606 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:34:26am

frax! Hurry and go change it before it stinks up the house! :-)

607 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:35:33am

Beach

oldsters?


:D
I included myself in that group!

608 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:36:59am

thats OK...but would rather be called a shank!
:-D

609 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:37:36am

SKANK! PIMF

good Lord!

610 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:40:37am

*whew*

Bloody hell I'm busy!

611 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:43:13am

hey {trix} has it going?

612 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:44:08am

OK..I'm going for a while...I obviously can't type...or spell!

BBL

613 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:45:53am

Bye shank

614 m  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:48:42am

{Red}! Was it something I said?

:D

How y'all doing?

615 m  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:51:09am

*sniff* okay then *sniff*
~guess I'll do some work~

616 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:51:57am

As part of my job I have over 600 file folders containing certain guides and every one of these have to be updated - yesterday.

I've barely scratched the surface today.

/Is it Miller time yet?

617 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:52:08am

Hiya {m}!
I'm having as much trouble posting as Beach Lover today. I was trying to link pictures of a lamb shank and Paris Hilton for shank and skank, but I kept screwing it up and making it disappear. Took me so long, it wouldn't be funny now!

How's your day going?

618 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:52:13am

c'mon back {m}!

NMM

619 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 8:59:17am

I'm kinda posting and surfing. Was doing some Rosie the riveter research. My Nonna did QC inspection at GE during the war.

620 Keepandbear  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:02:16am

This is a shank

This is a Skank

Notice the beautiful lines on the shank?

621 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:08:22am

#620 Keep

The Skank doesn't have any lines!

Uneventful summer?

NMM

622 Keepandbear  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:10:31am

NMM

Yes

623 m  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:12:30am

Alright! There ARE other people here! :D

624 m  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:12:50am

KEEP!

625 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:16:52am

M I wouldn't leave w/ out saying goodbye :-)

626 Widow'smight  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:25:00am

NMM,

The Skank doesn't have any lines!

What do you mean? There are lines on her Shirt/Top/Blouse (help me out gals). I think "Do you want our daughter to be like Paris Hilton?" would be a good response to your Queen complaining about NMG not doing the makeup thing.

FOSNG reporting for duty!

627 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:28:00am

My shank can do more than your shank.

628 Widow'smight  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:33:23am

Frax,

I'm suprised you didn't mention these kind of shanks.

[Link: www.beefretail.org...]

629 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:34:46am

The original skank.

630 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:36:53am

Eew, frax's skank is skankier than keepandbear's skank.

631 Keepandbear  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:38:58am

627 UFO TOFU

you can't even carry that thing!

632 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:39:11am

Mnnnnnnnnnn! Beef shank

633 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:42:47am

Keepandbear
Yeah, pretty useless.

634 Keepandbear  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:48:51am

Give a man a shank he eats for a day. Teach a man to use a shank and he eats every one elses shanks

635 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 9:59:26am

#634 keep
HA

Ok folks check out what the skanks have done to themself to stay skanky. Yes there are boobs but no nipplage.

636 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:08:18am
ARE YOU IN THE TOP 2% OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD? SOLVE THE RIDDLE AND FIND OUT.

[Link: www.manbottle.com...]

637 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:10:47am

BBIAB gotta read some nap time stories.

638 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:11:35am

A very troubled, at least disturbed skank.

639 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:19:31am

#638 newmelleman
Now this is the DDT that I've come to love and expect!

640 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:23:14am

Feeling skanky?

641 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:28:50am

I know this is old, but I'm looking for any excuse not to have to take care of my desk.

642 MN_but_red  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:37:49am

#636 UFO TOFU

ARE YOU IN THE TOP 2% OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD? SOLVE THE RIDDLE AND FIND OUT.

God, it took me 27 minutes and a spreadsheet (though I could have done it on paper with an erawer). If you're supposed to be able to do it in your head, I'd have been sunk.

OK - how do I classify my time for that on my weekly report... Mental development? Exercises?

643 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:41:21am

Sorry I ran out without saying good bye, but I'm back now!
I see we are still on the skank theme.

644 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:41:57am

Gee..I just guessed & got it right...what's the prob?

Didn't know I would start such a avalanche of skankinish, but loved yours, NMM at 638!

hey {FOSNG}

645 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:43:12am

Skanky Lizards

Whadja expect - a picture of me, m, Miss Trixie & Beach Lover?
:D

646 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:43:25am

MN_but_red
I'm impressed. I was thinking of a spreadsheet, but the phone won't quit ringing.

647 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:46:42am
Females may keep a very full bluish-gray tail as they age, but males' tails will turn brown.


Not only do females live longer than males but they age better.

648 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:48:09am
but they age better

.

but, of course!

649 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:48:51am

and our tails don't turn brown!

650 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:48:59am
Not only do females live longer than males but they age better.


Hell, yeah! You know we got the best tails!

651 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:49:58am

and I don't know if it turn blue, but I know it gets full!

652 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:50:22am

Skank tail oughtta bring Texas Heathen out of the woodwork.

653 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:52:34am

just FYI..anyone check out the post ^ about Green Helmet Guy? Hilarious

654 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:54:03am
just FYI..anyone check out the post ^ about Green Helmet Guy? Hilarious


The movie poster? Yep; it's funny.

655 Widow'smight  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:55:17am

Scarlett,

Whadja expect - a picture of me, m, Miss Trixie & Beach Lover?

Sounds more like Masterpiece Theater than a picture, cause with you 4, there would be lots of Thee-Ate-er.

A Photograph would be tough, Poor lad would need to Still his beating heart.

Hello Beach Loverly

656 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:55:34am

frax musta fallen asleep reading the nap time stories again!

657 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:59:32am

#636 UFO

Thanx

658 Widow'smight  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 10:59:46am

Beach Loverly,

and I don't know if it turn blue, but I know it gets full!

Are you talking about me FOSNG again? Cause I told you my eyes are Blue, not my hinterland.

659 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:04:10am

on a serious topic...don't know if it will be played on C-Span or not, but heard that the mother of a fellow that graduated from HS with my daughter, who was killed by a drunk driving illegal immigrant, is testifying before a congressional panel today. The guy has been arrested for DUI at least 4 times before! Such a sad story...he left a wife (she was injured also, and a little girl)

660 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:05:16am

Have I already told y'all my Monkey and Lizard getting stoned joke?

661 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:06:22am

FOSNG..guess I wasn't very clear with that, was I? No...I was talking about...
Females may keep a very full bluish-gray tail as they age

662 Keepandbear  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:06:37am
Not only do females live longer than males but they age better

It's the constant nagging that does us in

663 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:07:11am

nope...lets hear it, tofu

664 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:07:35am

#660 UFO

Don't think i've heard it.

665 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:08:11am
It's the constant nagging that does us in

ooooooooooooooooo

666 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:10:08am

Damn, keepandbear, you go!

667 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:10:16am

keep & bear better
run & hide!

668 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:11:40am

My apologies if you heard it before:

A Monkey is sitting in a tree smoking a joint when a Lizard walks past and looks up and says to the Monkey, "Hey what are you doing?"

The Monkey says "Smoking a Joint, come up and have some!"

So the lizard climbs up and sits next to the Monkey and they have a few puffs. After a while the lizard says his mouth is "dry" and is going to get a drink from the river.

The lizard is so stoned that he leans too far over and falls into the river.

A Crocodile sees this and swims over to the lizard and helps him to the shore, then asks the lizard, "What's the matter with you?"

The lizard explains to the crocodile that he was smoking a joint with a Monkey in the tree, got too stoned and then fell into the river while trying to
get a drink.

The Crocodile says he has to check this out and walks into the jungle, finds the tree where the Monkey is sitting, finishing a Joint, and he looks up and says "Hey You!"

The Monkeys looks down and says "Fuuuuuuuuuuck Duuuuuuude, How much water did you drink?!

669 Widow'smight  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:12:54am

Beach Loverly,

FOSNG..guess I wasn't very clear with that, was I? No...I was talking about...
Females may keep a very full bluish-gray tail as they age

You know us guys, if we have to read your minds, or there are different interpretations, we/I (especially I) always seem to get the wrong one.

BUTT, I will continue to be inspired to do better by the loving way you ladies respond.

670 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:14:28am

tofu! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

671 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:14:37am

A man left for work one Friday afternoon. But, being pay-day, instead of going home, he stayed out the entire weekend partying with the boys and spending his entire pay check.

When he finally appeared at home, Sunday night, he was confronted by a very angry wife and was barraged for nearly two hours with a tirade befitting his actions. Finally his wife stopped the nagging and simply said to him.

"How would you like it if you didn't see me for two or three days?"

To which he replied. "That would be fine with me."

Monday went by and he didn't see his wife. Tuesday and Wednesday came and went with the same results. But on Thursday, the swelling went down just enough where he could see her a little out of the corner of his left eye.

672 MN_but_red  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:15:06am

#668 UFO TOFU

The Monkeys looks down and says "Fuuuuuuuuuuck Duuuuuuude, How much water did you drink?!

ROF,L! That's a keeper...

673 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:17:05am

671 frax! that was a funny one,too!

I never can remember jokes!

674 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:20:38am

UFO TOFU & Frax
Those were good ones.
:D

675 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:21:31am

hey frax! I have a insect question for ya. Do you know anything about these black catepillar things that are eating my oak tree leaves? The are ugly black hairy about 2 inches long and have yellow stripes on their backs! They eat only the oak tree leaves and they poop everywhere... all over the driveway and the deck...where the branches overhang.

no...this is not a joke!...really

676 Widow'smight  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:22:04am

OK,

A song for us Dads.

Look at the two of you dancing that way
Lost in the moment and each others face
So much in love your alone in this place
Like there's nobody else in the world
I was enough for her not long ago
I was her number one
She told me so
And she still means the world to me
Just so you know
So be careful when you hold my girl
Time changes everything
Life must go on
And I'm not gonna stand in your way

But I loved her first and I held her first
And a place in my heart will always be hers
From the first breath she breathed
When she first smiled at me
I knew the love of a father runs deep
And I prayed that she'd find you someday
But it still hard to give her away
I loved her first

How could that beautiful women with you
Be the same freckle face kid that I knew
The one that I read all those fairy tales to
And tucked into bed all those nights
And I knew the first time I saw you with her
It was only a matter of time

But I loved her first and I held her first
And a place in my heart will always be hers
From the first breath she breathed
When she first smiled at me
I knew the love of a father runs deep
And I prayed that she'd find you someday
But its still hard to give her away
I loved her first

From the first breath she breathed
When she first smiled at me
I knew the love of a father runs deep
Someday you might know what I'm going through
When a miracle smiles up at you
I loved her first

677 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:22:20am

I just saw a name on a forwarded e-mail that gave me pause:
Pud Fishback
That just ain't right.

678 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:25:39am

Has any one heard the rules of bedroom gulf?

679 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:25:47am

awwww FOSNG..that was sweet!

You're such a FOSNG! Did I ever show you a pic of my daughter?

680 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:28:08am

Achmed, we have a problem

681 Widow'smight  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:32:03am

Beach Loverly,

You are most welcome, I'll have to watch 3 daughters do this (Hopefully each only 1 time). I remember the statement "Giving your daughter away in marriage is like giving a finely tuned Stratovarius to a Gorilla".
As long as there good to my girls, they won't have to face this Gorilla.

I never saw a picture of your little girl, but I have to leave in 25 minutes!

682 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:32:12am

redstateredneck, or any other ladies, have you seen this cook book? The prelude to each chapter is as interesting as the recipes. Reminds me of when I spent time in Georgia in my youth.

683 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:33:51am

I found a date for my muscle bound guy I saw the other day.

684 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:34:29am

FOSNG look..

685 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:36:07am

UFO TOFU

redstateredneck, or any other ladies, have you seen this cook book? The prelude to each chapter is as interesting as the recipes. Reminds me of when I spent time in Georgia in my youth.


I hadn't seen it, but I love Savannah! Visited there once and would like to go back.

686 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:36:28am

Uh-oh, two of my employees just set this on my desk; guess the last few days have been showing.

687 MN_but_red  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:37:37am

#680 newmelleman

Achmed, we have a problem

Damn - stuck with his ass in the air...

688 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:39:13am

#687 MN_butred

LOL!

(how did I miss that line)

NMM

689 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:39:14am

tofu..this is a good one, too!

690 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:43:03am

Beach lover
Thanks, it looks good.

691 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:44:39am

Tofu...I have seen that one in Hilton Head at a few shops...I'll have to get it next time! Dining by Fireflies has a lot of neat stuff about the south and the Carolinas in it as well. Plus it is a pretty and big cookbook! Great pictures in it.

692 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:48:45am

My wife just e-mailed me reminding me of my impending doom. I made the mistake of showing her a recipe in WSJ for ranch-syle party beans. We're having a birthday soon for the triplets (big affair), she told me to save the recipe. Well, the paper sat around for several days, so naturally I assumed she copied it, so I threw the paper away. Now she's pissed and expects me to find a replacement recipe. Sheesh, I'm not even the cook!

693 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:51:15am
There was this male engineer, on a cruise ship in the Caribbean for the
first time. It was wonderful, the experience of his life. He was being
waited on hand an foot. But, it did not last. A Hurricane came up
unexpectedly. The ship went down almost instantly.

The man found himself, he knew not how, swept up on the shore of an
island. There was nothing else anywhere to be seen. No person, no
supplies, nothing. The man looked around. There were some bananas and
coconuts, but that was it. He was desperate, and forlorn, but decided to
make the best of it. So for the next four months he ate bananas, drank
coconut juice and mostly looked to the sea mightily for a ship to come to
his rescue.

One day, as he was lying on the beach stroking his beard and looking for
a ship, he spotted movement out of the corner of his eye. Could it be
true, was it a ship? No, from around the corner of the island came this
rowboat. In it was the most gorgeous woman he had ever seen, or at least
seen in 4 months. She was tall, tanned, and her blond hair flowing in
the sea breeze gave her an almost ethereal quality. She spotted him also
as he was waving and yelling and screaming to get her attention. She
rowed her boat towards him.

In disbelief, he asked, "Where did you come from? How did you get here"?

She said, "I rowed from the other side of the island. I landed on this
island when my cruise ship sank"

"Amazing", he said, "I didn't know anyone else had survived. How many of
you are there? Where did you get the rowboat? You must have been
really lucky to have a rowboat wash-up with you?"

"It is only me", she said, "and the rowboat didn't wash up, nothing else
did."

"Well then", said the man, "how did you get the rowboat?"


Cont...

694 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:52:41am
"I made the rowboat out of raw material that I found on the island, "
replied the woman. "The oars were whittled from Gum tree branches, I
wove the bottom from Palm branches, and the sides and stern came from a
Eucalyptus tree".

"But, but, asked the man, what about tools and hardware, how did you do
that?"

"Oh, no problem, replied the woman, on the south side of the island there
is a very unusual strata of alluvial rock exposed. I found that If I
fired it to a certain temperature in my kiln, it melted into forgeable
ductile iron. I used that for tools, and used the tools to make the
hardware. But, enough of that, she said. Where do you live?"

At last the man was forced to confess that he had been sleeping on the beach.

"Well, let's row over to my place, she said." So they both got into the
rowboat and left for her side of island.

The woman easily rowed them around to a wharf that led to the approach to
her place. She tied up the rowboat with a beautifully woven hemp rope.
They walked up a stone walk and around a Palm tree, there stood an
exquisite bungalow painted in blue and white.

"It's not much, " she said, "but I call it home. Sit down please, would you
like to have a drink?"

"No, " said the man, "one more coconut juice and I will puke."

"It won't be coconut juice, " the woman replied, "I have a still, how about
a Pina Colada? Trying to hide his continued amazement, the man accepted,
and they sat down on her couch to talk.

After a while, and they had exchanged their stories, the woman asked,
"Tell me, have you always had a beard?"

"No", the man replied, "I was clean shaven all of my life, and even on
the cruise ship".

"Well if you would like to shave, there is a man's razor upstairs in the
cabinet in the bathroom."

So, the man, no longer questioning anything, went upstairs to the bath
room. There in the cabinet was a razor made from a bone handle, two
shells honed to a hollow ground edge were fastened on to its end inside of
a swivel mechanism. The man shaved, showered and went back down stairs....

"You look great, said the woman, I think I will go up and slip into
something more comfortable." So she did.

And, the man continued to sip his Pina Colada. After a short time, the
woman returned wearing fig leafs strategically positioned and smelling
faintly of gardenia.

"Tell me, " she asked, "we have both been out here for a very long time with
no companionship. You know what I mean. Have you been lonely, is there
anything that you really miss? Something that all men and woman need.
Something that it would be really nice to have right now."

"Yes there is, " the man replied, as he moved closer to the woman while
fixing a winsome gaze upon her, "Tell me ... Do you happen to have an
Internet connection?"

695 Widow'smight  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:53:58am

Scarlett,

Hope these two aren't coming by to date our daughters!

[Link: www.thatimagesite.com...]

Beach,

That is one happy bunch of folks. I imagine I'd prolly be called FOSNG by your daughter also, cause she's a Peach.

696 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:56:40am

frax...funny!

697 newmelleman  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:56:50am

Y'all have a great weekend, time to start mine.

NMM

698 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:58:21am

Why would anybody do this to themself?

699 UFO TOFU  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 11:59:27am

frax, hilarious!
I'm getting swamped at work, I'll try and check back later. If not, have a killer weekend!
Oh, and if any all y'all have a good recipe to stay my execution, my nic is blue...

700 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:03:07pm

bye NMM, FOSNG & frax (?)

tofu...can you try the WSJ to get it? If not..I have a pretty good recipe for beans.

701 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:04:58pm

698 red
now thatjust ain't right!

702 Widow'smight  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:05:14pm

I guess this is a Move-On supporter, or just a politician.

[Link: www.thatimagesite.com...]

Have a great weekend, I must go.

703 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:05:33pm

what gives? I take a couple days off and y'all can't get CLOSE to the k post? *grin*

704 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:07:14pm

hey ya Lance! We missed you!

705 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:08:11pm

I know ...we are such slackers!

706 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:09:36pm

#699 Bye ufo

707 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:10:34pm

Bye NMM

708 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:11:52pm

Bye widow's

709 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:12:06pm

hey frax..thought you left..sorry!

did you see my #675 to ya?

710 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:13:34pm

all this "hello, hugs and bye" is tiring

711 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:14:35pm

Hi lance

I'm being extra careful today don't want to get. Drive by scolded ;-)

712 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:15:28pm

Oh bye beach aparently I'm Back hi beach.

LOL

713 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:19:53pm

#675 Sorry beach I missed that post what kind of oak trees do you know? caterpillers and insects in general are hard to control on trees. On but maybe we can find out at least what they are.

714 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:21:56pm

{Lance}
This is like a little mini-vacation for you, isn't it?
I'm looking forward to the 3-day weekend next week (if Ernesto doesn't mess it up).

715 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:23:53pm

what kind?
big
!

716 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:25:31pm

Beachie
Sing this to them:

Fuzzy Caterpillars
( sung to Three Blind Mice)
Fuzzy caterpillars, fuzzy caterpillars,
See how they crawl, see how they crawl,
They love to munch leaves again and again.
They eat so much that they shed their skin.
But soon cocoons they'll begin to spin,
Those fuzzy caterpillars.
717 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:31:38pm

AHA! Beach - are these the guys?

These oakworms occur throughout the United States. The first indication of their presence is often fecal pellets on the driveway or sidewalk under an oak tree. They are voracious feeders, and where abundant, quickly strip the trees of their foliage. Since defoliation takes place in late summer to fall, however, forest stands of white and red oak are generally able to survive with only minimal growth loss or crown dieback.
718 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:32:21pm

gee...thanks red!

I think this is the one

719 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:34:24pm

yep! That's them! NASTY! They POOP everwhere! And I can't reach them to spray the branches...the tree must be 75 yrs old!

720 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:37:00pm

Well, my dear, {DDTers}
I hope you all have a fantastic weekend!
Later, lizards...

721 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:38:54pm

bye {Red}..have a great weekend!

I'll be here washing poop off my deck....

722 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:42:38pm

#715 LOL

saw this related artical you did say you are in virginia? Right? This is the closest pic to yer description.

Doesn't sound like there is much you can do about them. yer trees should be ok if they don't take more than 2 or 3 years of total defoliation. As for the doodie(heh). I wuold recomemnd not having open containers on your deck. Expecially dark bevreages, as cola or coffee.

723 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:45:27pm

Bye {red} sheesh yer gunna put me out of a job(think i'll have to talk to the union boss) That was some quick googling!

724 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:49:40pm

frax..no I live in South Carolina right outside Charlotte.

And it looks like it is the one Red found...the oakworm. they haven't eaten all the branches...only ends of a few, but I did spray up in the tree with the hose on the hardest spray and the lower branches were hit and they fell out of it and blopped all over the deck...I bet a hundred of em...eewwwww!

725 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:53:50pm

well...guess i'll head out. y'all take care and have a great weekend!

{DDTers}

726 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:54:58pm

It gets confusing remembering were everyone lives. I think I was thinking of your friends B&B? Or maybe m? dunno I'll be here just a bit more googling. the hose will get them off the tree but they'll just climb back up. what ever you do if they make tents of webs don't burn them out it could damage the tree more than the bug.

727 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 12:58:42pm

Bye {beach}

728 Beach Lover  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:00:59pm

just heading out...but looks like on red's site she sent that I can use DT (a spray) that will not harm other insects or birds. It also said that I could let the natural predators take over...but i don't see that happening here! Too many neighbors feed the birds with bird feeders and these birds are lazy! Why eat nasty hairy worms when you can have sunflower seeds!

729 fraxinus americana  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 1:12:35pm

#728 I think it said BT wich is a parasite that lives in digestive system of alot of caterpillars. I just skimmed through reds site looks informitive. Most universities have extentions that help w/ agricultural questions. If you have any more questions I'll peek in here now and again.

{DDT}

730 m  Fri, Aug 25, 2006 4:14:24pm

Didn't get to say goodbye :(

Whatta week!
I missed youse guys!


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