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Wed, Sep 6, 2006 at 7:18:45 pm PDT

The no-longer-funny lunatics at Democratic Underground are trying to organize a “Google bombing” of the ABC docudrama The Path to 9/11, because it makes their cognitive dissonance flare up (and we all know how painful that can be): The Great 2006 Google/Technorati 9-11 movie info bomb! (Hat tip: Michelle Malkin.)

(LGF has been the target of similar attacks.)

UPDATE at 9/6/06 7:34:40 pm:

And it isn’t just the nuts at Democratic Underground. Forwarded by a reader, here’s the email being sent out to the membership of the Democratic National Committee (I replaced our reader’s name with “lizardoid operative” to protect his/her identity):

Dear LIZARDOID OPERATIVE,

Does a major national broadcast network want to stain itself by presenting an irresponsible, slanderous, fraudulent, “docu-drama” to the American public?

Not if you and I have the last word — but either way, we’re about to find out.

The ABC television network — a cog in the Walt Disney empire — unleashed a promotional blitz in the last week for a new “docudrama” called “The Path to 9/11”. ABC has thrown its corporate might behind the two-night production, and bills it as a public service: a TV event, to quote the ABC tagline, “based on the 9/11 Commission Report”.

That’s false. “The Path to 9/11” is actually a bald-faced attempt to slander Democrats and revise history right before Americans vote in a major election.

The miniseries, which was put together by right-wing conservative writers, relies on the old GOP playbook of using terrorism to scare Americans. “The Path to 9/11” mocks the truth and dishonors the memory of 9/11 victims to serve a cheap, callous political agenda. It irresponsibly misrepresents the facts and completely distorts the truth.

ABC/Disney executives need to hear from the public and understand that their abuse of the public trust comes with a cost. Tell Walt Disney CEO Robert Iger to keep this right-wing propaganda off the air — we’ll deliver your message:

http://www.democrats.org/pathto911

This story is breaking quickly. The bias of the “docudrama” only became known when ABC began circulating previews recently. Less than two weeks ago, 9/11 Commission member Richard Ben-Veniste confronted a lead writer of “The Path to 9/11” after watching the first half of the miniseries at a screening, but most of what we know amounts to bits and pieces because ABC chose to screen the miniseries to conservative bloggers and right-wing media outlets exclusively. Almost none of the Democrats portrayed in the film have even been asked for their thoughts.

But we still know enough, thanks to news accounts and crack research, to fact check “The Path to 9/11” as a biased, irresponsible mess. Here’s what you need to know:

Richard Clarke — the counterterrorism czar for the Clinton administration, now himself a consultant to ABC News — describes a key scene in “The Path to 9/11” as “180 degrees from what happened.” In the scene, a CIA field agent places a phone call to get the go ahead to kill Osama Bin Laden, then in his sights, only to have a senior Clinton administration official refuse and hang up the phone. Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s National Security Advisor, called the same scene “a total fabrication. It did not happen.” And Roger Cressey, a top Bush and Clinton counterterrorism official, said it was “something straight out of Disney and fantasyland. It’s factually wrong. And that’s shameful.”

Another scene revives the old right-wing myth that press reporting made it impossible to track Osama bin Laden, accusing the Washington Post of blowing the secret that American intelligence tracked his satellite phone calls. In reality, responsibility for that blunder — contrary to “The Path to 9/11” — rests with none other than the arch-conservative Washington Times.

The former National Security Council head of counterterrorism says that President Clinton “approved every request made of him by the CIA and the U.S. military involving using force against bin Laden and al-Qaeda,” and the 9/11 report says the CIA had full authority from President Clinton to strike Bin Laden. Yet chief “Path to 9/11” scriptwriter Cyrus Nowrasteh, a friend of Rush Limbaugh, says the miniseries shows how President Clinton had “frequent opportunities in the ‘90s to stop Bin Laden in his tracks — but lacked the will to do so.”

ABC asked only the Republican co-chair of the 9/11 Commission, Tom Kean, Sr., to advise the makers of “The Path to 9/11”. The producers optioned two books, one written by a Bush administration political appointee, as the basis of the screenplay — yet bill the miniseries as “based on the 9/11 Commission Report.”

This is a picture of bias — a conservative attempt to rewrite the history of September 11 to blame Democrats, just in time for the election.

Tell Walt Disney president Robert Iger that you hold his company responsible — and that this community demands that ABC tell the truth:

http://www.democrats.org/pathto911

ABC is trying to use of the airwaves — airwaves owned by you and me, and loaned to broadcasters as a public trust — to slander Democrats and sell a slanderous, irresponsible fraud to the American people, and they’re shamefully doing it just weeks away from Election Day.

The Walt Disney Corporation could have given Americans an honest look at September 11. Instead, the company abandoned its duty to the truth — and embraced the fiction known as “The Path to 9/11.”

But ABC isn’t the only company pushing this gross revision of history. ABC has enlisted the reputable education and children’s entertainment company Scholastic, Inc. to send 100,000 letters to high school teachers, urging them to show students “The Path to 9/11”. Scholastic has also created a discussion guide for teachers to use to encourage students and their families to watch this irresponsible fraud and then discuss it in school. The discussion guide does not in any way point out the concerns and criticisms that have been raised about the validity and accuracy of the film.

We’ve got to stop this now.

ABC/Disney must face an accountability moment. You can ratchet up the pressure on ABC by sending your own letter to Walt Disney CEO Robert Iger — tell him to keep this propaganda off their air.

http://www.democrats.org/pathto911

We’ll keep you up to date as this story evolves.

Thank you,
Tom

Tom McMahon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee

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1 Black Bloke  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:19:53pm

Vicious bastards.

2 katemaclaren  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:21:36pm

What can be done? Google will probably HELP!

3 surfer dude  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:21:55pm

DU "Hide the truth, cuz its bad for us..."

What a bunch of pathetic losers!

4 TotallySirius  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:22:34pm
Our biggest opportunity will be to have nearly identical blog posts waiting, then submit them to be found internet wide the morning after the movie. Google and Technorati will pick up on these posts quickly. We can make these entries dominate the first several pages of the search engines.

There we have the first positive proof of a conspiracy to decieve and misinform the American people.

Just like election irregularities,its the liberals themselves being the only proven conspirators.

Feh!

5 Pamela  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:23:42pm

Aren't these the same people who are anti Clinton like the Kos kiddies?

6 NoSubmission  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:24:18pm

Is the Democratic Underground a website for children?

7 mich-again  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:26:30pm

Thats some battle cry they've come up with to rally all the DUmmies into action..

KILL THE MESSENGER!

I can only take solace in the fact that these people abhor children and have little interest in procreating. There is hope for humanity.

8 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:26:46pm

#6 NoSubmission

Is the Democratic Underground a website for children?

No, biological adults with child-like intellects.

9 No User  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:26:52pm

In fairness, that thread only has 6 responses.

10 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:27:05pm

Yep. Nothing hurts quite so much as sudden, unexpected, ineluctable confrontation with reality...

11 No User  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:27:53pm

I mean 14 responses. 6? I must be thinking of 6 days until I'm basking in a Redskins victory.

12 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:27:55pm

#5 Pamela

Aren't these the same people who are anti Clinton like the Kos kiddies?

They all wish they were Monica... including the guys.

13 msdixie  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:27:56pm

What does "operational" mean? One guy kept talking about "Operational."

Yes, these are kids, whether in age or arrested mental, emotional and spiritual development.

but not very cute kids.

14 anthean  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:28:01pm

The moonbats self destruct . . .

15 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:28:48pm

Sounds like something My Moonbat Brother (MMB™) would enjoy participating in. I am so not forwarding him this link.

16 uncle_monkey  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:29:45pm

As Michelle said, compare and contrast the difference between left and right as to what's gonna be blogged on this.

Maybe, just maybe some folks might begin to wake up.

And the tooth fairy is coming to give me money tonight.

17 TotallySirius  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:29:59pm

#7 mich

Again we see one of the 3 plays from the liberal playbook...kill the messenger.

The other two are obfuscate and change the subject.

They still haven't had a new idea since the new deal.

18 Dynamite  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:30:42pm

If you yell often enough and loud enough then iut MUST be true!

19 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:30:52pm

The more folks wail about how this movie treats Clinton, the more we get treated to reports on exactly what Clinton did or didn't do during his 8 years in office.

I do know that the US suffered quite a few major terror attacks during his tenure, and his response was nearly completely confined to law enforcement response.

1993 WTC bombing
1996 Dahran, KSA bombing
1998 Embassy bombings
2000 USS Cole

That doesn't count the terror plots that were thwarted during that time period.

And yet, we've got conspiracy freaks who think that the government was behind the attacks despite logic, reasoning, facts, and common sense, and nutbars who think that a miniseries about the leadup to the attacks should be critiqued from every aspect, while a so-called documentary that was anything but is lauded as fact.

That's the nature of a fact-challenged mentality pervasive on the far left, though it has made serious inroads into the mainstream Democrat party - to the point of getting conspiracy freaks winning nominations, and leading Democrat politicians claiming that Bush was behind the attacks.

20 godfrey  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:31:38pm

They slash tires, don't they?

21 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:31:39pm

Gee, now why would they do something like this?

Oh. I remember.

Because liberals are traitors.

22 CognitiveDissonance  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:31:51pm
because it makes their cognitive dissonance flare up (and we all know how painful that can be):


Reporting for Duty!

23 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:33:38pm

Demonrats...all of them!

24 shug  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:34:37pm

KosKid1 " Let's do a google bombing"

KosKids " YEAAAH"

KosKid2 " hey, and let's get bombed ourselves, I've got this killer weed"

Koskids " YEAAAH "

25 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:35:16pm

Anybody Digg this yet?

26 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:35:36pm

If I tie this thread together with the previous one, this is what I get;

Since the LLL act like little women, then according to Sharia law I can beat them if I do it lightly. So I should use a carpenter’s hammer instead of a sledgehammer.

Have I got this right?

27 RedPepper  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:35:47pm

More kolossal Kos krap.

28 sss111  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:35:48pm

You said it. NO longer funny.

When the leftists were just doing stuff supposedly for the 'proletariat' (i.e., Americans) they were just funny.

Now that they are doing things to destroy America in the service of foreign interests, it's no longer funny - at all.

Universities, for example, have moved from teh funny to supporters and aplogists for terrorism and Islmaofascism.

Why, exactly, are they recipients of U.S. taxpayer dollars and tax exempt status?

29 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:35:56pm

The lefts best friend is an uninformed public.

Sleep

Sleeep

30 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:36:36pm
DemInDistress (1000+ posts)

ABC should air Loose Change and several other factual 911 videos

It isn't so much that the Morlocks, DUmbies and Kos Kidz object to the Clintoons being portrayed in a negative light, it's that The Path to 9/11 insists that Islamic terrorists actually carried out the attack.

31 lobo91  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:36:57pm

From that thread:

ABC should air Loose Change and several other factual 911 videos

Yeah, and then they can air that video that used chicken wire and lighter fluid to prove that the WTC was taken down by a controlled demolition.../snort!

32 jaynumber13  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:37:54pm

Aren't these fakey tactics (like bombing amazon.com with bad / good reviews) the tactic of people who don't have a good grasp of the truth on their side?

No truth, just gimmicks.

33 Cog  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:38:02pm

Can I sue them for unauthorized use of the word Cog™?

34 godfrey  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:38:17pm

Heh.

The DNC is scared sh*tless.

35 William  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:39:02pm

I was going to comment on how absurd the DUmmies were, and then Charles updated the post with the official Democratic National Committee letter.

The DUmmies don't influence the DNC, the DUmmies are the DNC.

Lunatics.
 

36 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:39:29pm

And then we can steal all the "W" keys off the keyboards!

37 _remembertonyc  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:39:55pm

I'm going to buy some more Disney stock.

38 Pawn of The Oppressor  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:40:06pm

You see, when Republicans make mistakes, they are evil Hitlerite disciples of Satan that eat babies, kill minorities, and roast puppies on the grill for fun.

When Democrats make mistakes - if we're even calling anything a "mistake" this week - they're Flawed Men who Did Their Best and Tried Their Hardest for all of our common good, and hey, don't you dare criticize because like, their job is really hard, man.

Please consider this important difference when reading or watching anything related to the comparison of Democrat vs. Republican. At the very least, it'll make the television news much easier to understand.

39 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:40:15pm

#32 jaynumber13

Aren't these fakey tactics (like bombing amazon.com with bad / good reviews) the tactic of people who don't have a good grasp of the truth on their side?

That would be umm... yes.

In their little fantasy world, concepts like "facts" and "truth" are not related.

40 the_flying_pig  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:40:40pm

Hear ye! Hear ye, Lizardoids!

Have the Democratic Party put together a coherent, thoroughly thought-out and strategic plan on how the United States of America would do on the entire war on terror under a Democratic leadership as an alternative to the Bush's war on terror doctrine so far?!

What would the Dems do as opposed to Bush and Reps did with the whole war on terror stuff the last five years?

Nothing I have seen so far from the Dems on that except a lot of hot air bullshits, blaming, whining, bitching and seething on Bush's War on Terror doctrine.

41 Bad Penny  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:40:54pm
Dear LIZARDOID OPERATIVE,

?

42 6patrick6  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:41:12pm
But we still know enough, thanks to news accounts and crack research, to fact check “The Path to 9/11” as a biased, irresponsible mess.

Crack research. Yeah, sure. More like "researchers ON crack" if the DUmmies are in charge of the research!

Richard Clarke — the counterterrorism czar for the Clinton administration, now himself a consultant to ABC News — describes a key scene in “The Path to 9/11” as “180 degrees from what happened.”

Richard Clarke has been proven several times to be a backstabber and a liar of the highest (lowest?) order. We're supposed to believe what this dickweed says?

The DUmmy comments just make me more intent on seeing this ABC production. If they're bitching about it like this already, I imagine it's truthful in its content about them!

43 No User  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:41:46pm

#30

Pretty much. I started from 9/11 being fairly moderate, which for me simply meant uninformed. I started sucking up info and opinion from everywhere and everything but inability of most my friends (art college, yowza that's a liberal place!) and most of anything on the left to recognize the full danger and threat has sent me further and further to the right. I don't understand why with the wide body of available quotes from Islamos stating their exact intentions people can still be blind too the issue. I would think that we could all agree on it. Madness.

44 RedPepper  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:41:54pm

#34 godfrey:

The DNC is scared sh*tless.

What will they use for brains now ?

45 Pamela  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:42:21pm
#34 Godfey

Heh.

The DNC is scared sh*tless.

Howard Dean must be out at all the Warehouse stores buying up lots of toilet paper!

46 mama winger  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:42:38pm

They are terrified that someone might see the film and say, "You mean it wasn't all Bush's fault?"

If it weren't hitting a nerve, they wouldn't be pooping their pants.

47 the_flying_pig  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:43:09pm

William #35: The DUmmies don't influence the DNC, the DUmmies are the DNC.

Hear! Hear! How true!

48 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:43:50pm

Awe! I screwed up my Digg of this article. Forgot to put 'bomb' in Google Bomb. If someone else tries, this might turn up as one of the matches. Be sure to continue on and post yours.

Dang it. Sorry, guys.

49 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:44:23pm

Apparently, the vid will be shown, to their heart's content...

They can whine, they can bitch, they can write their congressman and their congresswoman, and their ABC/Disney Rep...

But it does no good...

Fact is fact -- truth is truth...

This is the 9/11 Commission Report put to film...

Quitcherbichen,Bill ...

50 CognitiveDissonance  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:44:40pm

From everything I've seen/read about this mini-series it puts blame on both administrations.

I guess at this point Bush is so used to attacks on everything from his foreign policy to the way he swallows pretzels by the loony left that its just par for the course.

But God help those who go after Slick Willy, a man more concerned with his own legacy and human humidors than national defense.

51 geoffb5  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:45:21pm

With Democrats it's always "Party Uber Alles".
Anything goes if it advances the power of the Party.

52 mich-again  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:45:27pm

Dear DUmmie,

If we want any shit out of you, we'll squeeze your head.

Signed, ABC.

53 lastofourkind  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:45:55pm

I have to say my reptilian friends i like it when they get this way! Its like watching colobus monkeys at the zoo,all the hOOT WOOOT HHHoooOOOT!just shake the cage with logical discourse and watch em go!

54 mama winger  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:45:59pm

Note: none of them have actually seen it. Still, they are all jumping up and down begging for a hernia. Rush to Judgment?

55 shug  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:46:16pm

#34 godfrey

Heh.

The DNC is scared sh*tbrainless.



fixed


alternate

Heh.

The DNC is scared sh*t

.

56 armytramp  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:46:42pm

Well, isn't it interesting that they do not want you to contact anyone directly. They want to FORWARD your request for CENSORSHIP for you.

The inaccuracies in Michael Moore's various regurgitations and dramatic "reconstructions" did not bother these people in the least. But let someone else make a stand with the opinion about what happened, and all hell breaks loose. What a bunch of hypocrites.

I had no intention of watching one minute of this docudrama. Now I will watch it all.

And I will send a nice letter to Disney and Scholastic, too.

57 carridine  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:47:07pm

"...the planes did NOT hit the WTC towers...
...your eyes deceive you...
...they were flown by CIA operatives...
...into pre-wired, explosive-laden buildings...
...to let BUSH start his war...
...to protect Americans steal oil...
...because THEY lie to Americans...
...but WE have truthiness...
...you're getting sleepy...
...all your base are belong us...
...this is a Public Service announcement...
...of the Democratic Nacional Committee...
...also known as DNC (Do Not Call)...
...heavy, your head is heavy...
...forget all you experienced 9/11...
...Ahmadinejad is our FRIEND...
...sleep, sleep, relax..."

58 Orbit Rain  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:47:31pm

hey bear,

you are a class-A fucktard

(some McMahons are so fucking ignorant, and yes, I can say that)

59 _remembertonyc  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:47:51pm

keith dobermann says that by calling abc/disney all of these names, it is just emboldening them

60 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:47:58pm
We’ll keep you up to date as this story devolves.

Thank you,
Tom

There. Fixed that for ya, Tom.

61 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:48:01pm

54 mama winger

none of them have actually seen it. Still, they are all jumping up and down begging for a hernia. Rush to Judgment?

When have they EVER waited for evidence? Its all about what they feel its going to be.

62 sixstringslinger  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:49:09pm
"This is a picture of bias — a conservative attempt to rewrite the history of September 11 to blame Democrats, just in time for the election."

Oh,I see. And Fahrenheit 911 wasn't? F*ck off, DU.

63 mama winger  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:49:26pm

#57 carradine

That was good :)

64 godfrey  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:49:47pm

LOL

Is it right that somebody got hooked into the DNC's sewer pipe with the username "Lizardoid Operative"?

I love it.

65 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:49:55pm

#49 christheprofessor

Apparently, the vid will be shown, to their heart's content...

I seem to recall a story on the radio yesterday that there is a very good chance ABC will cave (and perhaps only show Part 2, where the Bush Administration come off as less than sterling.)

The Democrats had a screeching shit fit over National Geographic's excellent two-part Inside 9/11 as well, even though it made every effort to tip-toe around the Clintons' fecklessness (but some things were too damn obvious).

66 DistantThunder[deleted]  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:49:57pm
67 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:49:58pm

From the DNC email:

Another scene revives the old right-wing myth that press reporting made it impossible to track Osama bin Laden, accusing the Washington Post of blowing the secret that American intelligence tracked his satellite phone calls. In reality, responsibility for that blunder — contrary to “The Path to 9/11” — rests with none other than the arch-conservative Washington Times.

You mean it wasn't arch-conservatice Orrin Hatch (R-UT)?

The day of the 9/11 attacks, Sen. Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican, told the Associated Press that intelligence agencies "have an intercept of some information that includes people associated with [Osama] bin Laden who acknowledged a couple of targets were hit."

He made similar comments to ABC News and said the information had come from officials at the CIA and FBI. White House officials were more than mildly displeased with the Hatch at the time.

"Well, that helps a lot! [Expletive]!" one administration official told the Chicago Tribune.

Well, that was after 9-11.

68 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:50:02pm

#50 cognitive

I've heard that it was objective -- meaning, yes Bush has some 'splainin' to do, but Clinton royally screwed us with his distractions (no redundancy intended)...

69 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:50:04pm

The DUmmies think that Fahrenheit 911 was the true "Path to 911" and they've been riding its coatails for two years now.

No wonder they're angry and seething.

70 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:50:42pm

57 carridine

"...the planes did NOT hit the WTC towers...
...your eyes deceive you...
...they were flown by CIA operatives...
...into pre-wired, explosive-laden buildings...
...to let BUSH start his war...
...to protect Americans steal oil...
...because THEY lie to Americans...
...but WE have truthiness...
...you're getting sleepy...
...all your base are belong us...
...this is a Public Service announcement...
...of the Democratic Nacional Committee...

Not only did the Republicans do all that, but they're so dumb they cant seem to eliminate those people who "know the truth" and "arent afraid to speak it".

71 godfrey  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:52:09pm
ABC has enlisted the reputable education and children’s entertainment company Scholastic, Inc. to send 100,000 letters to high school teachers, urging them to show students “The Path to 9/11”.

All right!

72 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:52:15pm

#64 godfrey

Is it right that somebody got hooked into the DNC's sewer pipe with the username "Lizardoid Operative"?

I imagine Charles changed that to remove the addressee's name.

Still funny, though.

73 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:52:51pm

#65 Spiny

Gawd, I hope not.

I read that Clinton pressed, but there were only minor mods that could be made.

Either way, ABC/Disney can't be trusted with American History if they allow this...

74 Midwest  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:53:11pm

#11 No User

Don't bask too early. Purple will be the winning colors.

75 mama winger  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:54:07pm

Apparently an attorney on the DNC blog has a an idea on how to stop the airing of the show:

Is it possible that ABC's "drama" could be considered contributions in kind to the election campaigns of congressional republicans and hence would fall under the campaign finance laws? Perhaps the threat of legal action would give them pause.


Campaign Finance Laws? hahahahahahahahaha !

76 SaneInMN  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:54:16pm

Richard Clarke posting at DU?

From [Link: www.michellemalkin.com...]

Agree on a clear, detailed, and sourced body of information -- I've seen several examples on DU lately disputing what is in the movie. Media Matters has one. One was posted today on DU by Richard Clarke.

This was an excerpt from a DU post Michelle has up on her site. I knew the guy was an incompetent fraud, but posting at DU?

77 slotgun  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:54:21pm

One more example of the American Left as the New Fascist Movement. They can't come up with a compelling counter-narrative, so they devote all their energies into silencing the voices they disagree with.

Herd 'em all into C-130s and drop them on Waziristan. If nothing else, bin Laden could probably use the company.

78 Thanos  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:54:31pm

More Richard Clarke and ABC agitprop is up at ABC's The Blotter, they are painting the recent pact in Waziristan as a bad thing, but I am already seeing good developments. I think the Bin Laden trail is getting warmer.
Bill Roggio agrees with their analysis, but I think this is going to turn out good.

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

79 redshirt  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:54:36pm

Man I just read the scariest thing! Satan has decided that the endtime has arrived, and plans to appear in the United States.
The State Department promptly issued him a visa.
/rim shot (sorry, I had to)

80 Cartman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:54:42pm
Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s National Security Advisor, called the same scene “a total fabrication."

That was a joke, right?

81 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:54:53pm

Never forget.

What real hero's are doing Sept 11.

God bless em all.


[Link: www.fdnyhockey.com...]

82 zionistentity  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:56:18pm

I wonder if the "Sandy Berger" scene is the one he stuffed in his pants? Just curious...

83 Cartman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:56:38pm

When you live by a sword of a lie, thus shall you also perish by it. Unhinged.

84 tired of totalitarians  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:56:48pm

The only new and interesting thing here is how come ABC is actualy allowing a 9/11 show that isn't simply kneejerk biased propaganda. Like usual.

85 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:56:58pm

#67,

arch-conservative, PIMF

Ann Coulter is the arch-conservatice...

86 Spot!  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:57:18pm

Assuming the program does have a conservative bias, why do they care that we get two nights a year when they get the other 363?

87 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:57:55pm

#80 Cartman

Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s National Security Advisor, called the same scene “a total fabrication."

That was a joke, right?

"Now we know what he slipped into his pants and why."

=^D

(From Instapundit)

88 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:58:28pm

#80,

"...and they can't prove anything, now." Berger cryptically added.

89 wtripp  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:58:59pm

The email template provided at the "democrats.org/pathto911" link in the article above has a field for "Your Comments". In other words, what do you really think. I filled it out...and sent it off. Please feel free to follow my lead. Tell Mr. Iger exactly what you think.

90 texas shellback/ss  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 5:59:43pm

I seem to remember a docu-drama that came out before another election (Fahrenheit 911). I don't remember the seething back then.

This one is based on fact not Micheal Moore

91 lobo91  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:00:26pm

Hell, they've even got some of their moonbat Congress critters involved in the plot:

Conyers, Dingell, Harman, and Slaughter write to ABC

92 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:00:38pm

To any Kossacks or DUmmies out there, let me present the most compelling arguement bebunking the whole "Loose Change" theory to date.

There is no 9/11 conspiracy you morons.

Unlike others who debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories, or "cons" for short, I'm not going to bother with going through intricate point-by-point rebuttals, or pointing out the hundreds of factual inaccuracies and outright lies in this "documentary," because I don't need to. In fact, I can debunk the entire story with one simple observation:

The fact that this man {Dylan Avery}is alive is proof that "Loose Change" is bullshit.
Here's why:

1. The man in the picture above is Dylan Avery. To be more precise, the fact that Dylan, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that "Loose Change" is bullshit. He, along with a couple of his friends, created a 9/11 conspiracy video claiming that the US government and the military caused 9/11. Take a closer look at the last part of that last sentence: he's claiming that the US government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of more lives in the conflicts that ensued because of it.

2. Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet. I can picture you morons emailing me now: "BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL." Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's shit-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision." Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less--is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation?

I win. There is no conspiracy. Eat my shit, losers.

93 Canadian Guy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:01:04pm
The ABC television network — a cog in the Walt Disney empire —

Better than that Cog in the Soros empire.

94 Stuck in california  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:01:06pm

It's a start, spot!

95 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:02:33pm

#75 mama winger

Apparently an attorney on the DNC blog has a an idea on how to stop the airing of the show:
Is it possible that ABC's "drama" could be considered contributions in kind to the election campaigns of congressional republicans and hence would fall under the campaign finance laws? Perhaps the threat of legal action would give them pause.

Campaign Finance Laws? hahahahahahahahaha !

Don't laugh: it's been tried... and succeeded in Washington State. A Federal(?) court ruled that criticism by radio talk show hosts did, in fact, fall under McCain-Feingold, and was ruled "contributions in kind".

96 Pamela  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:02:52pm
#73 christheprofessor

#65 Spiny

Gawd, I hope not.

I read that Clinton pressed, but there were only minor mods that could be made.

It's too late copies were allready sent out for previews, so if they had made drastic changes it would be another baddie for the MSM!

97 Cartman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:02:58pm

#75 mama winger

Is it possible that ABC's "drama" could be considered contributions in kind to the election campaigns of congressional republicans and hence would fall under the campaign finance laws? Perhaps the threat of legal action would give them pause.

Think it might be possible to find an opposite-minded attorney willing to challenge George Soros' gross violations of the McCain-Feingold Act? I suppose not. We sit back and gripe, but nobody with legal clout and expertise seems willing to step forward.

98 sven10077  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:03:07pm

Well it has to be tough being the Beijing Billy team right about now...

sure, sure the film does not cast old Chimpy McSmirk in the best light either, BUT the Billy patrol is in the unenviable position of trying to convince the American public that:

a) 7 months is more than 7+ years

b) that "eebil GOP gamesmanship" kept ole' Bill from "putting the effort he wished he could exert on the ole' terrorism ball"

while ALSO trying to say that

c) Goreon 2000 and their "selected not elected" matra and tripe did nothing to harm the Bush transition and assumption of Presidential powers...

it is a genuine Cognitive Dissonace case like Charles said.

The thing that pisses off Wilhelm I(the Inhaler) more than anything is that Chimpy got to 'fix it". The (semi-credible) MSM rumormill has ole' Billy lamenting "if only *I* had been in charge of something like this". Yeah if only...

*roll eyes*

The liberals and nutroots types are hoping that Iraq fatigue and their 6 year sliming of Bush will allow them to get back at least one level of government, and frankly if they were acting more like Lieberman and less like Cynthia McKinney I would welcome a touch of Gridlock. That said, when the gleam in their eyes says "hey the Michigan Militia are the REAL terrorists" like it did when Bill tried to pass his version of the Patriot act back in '96 I find myself still holding my nose and pulling for the GOP even when my heart says "punish the RiNOs like McCain, Snowe, Chaffee et al...

November is a hell of a test, and I suspect when they find that their dreams are just like 2002-2004 and the polls don't match the results we will see a live-action version of 'Scanners'.

sven

99 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:04:03pm

#95 Spiny Norman

Let me guess. ACLU schooled Clinton appointee on the bench for that one.

100 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:04:11pm

#95 Spiney

Another reason to support Bush...

101 6patrick6  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:04:23pm

Berger, Clarke, Clinton --- we're supposed to actually believe their version of binLaden's escape from justice? Clinton is ON TAPE in an interview/press conference admitting that he did just that - let bin Laden go because he said the US gubmint had "no legal authority" to detain and extradite his sorry ass.

Disgusting, vile bullshit artists who will stop at nothing to bring our great nation down in favor of their stinking legacies...What a waste of protoplasm.

102 neocon hippie  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:04:41pm

Anyone care to comment how usually left-leaning ABC came to create the series in the first place?

103 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:05:08pm
DesertRat (1000+ posts)

This guy must be a distant cousin of mine, I think he's the Black Sheep of the family.
I can't believe I went in there, those idiots are truly disturbing.

...now I must wash my brain out with bleach!

104 yochanan  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:05:16pm

the ABC piece was so so some parts were good some were very wrong. but any mention of terrorism drives the democrats nutz

105 lastofourkind  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:06:21pm

KRAGAR!
Love it! should be added as permanant like the troll hammer.sweet and concise i can see one now fumbling for something to say like "yeah well you'll see Maaan!

106 brent  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:06:31pm

Also, Sandy Berger said that the documents he smuggled out of the congressional library were key to protecting the nation from the vast right wing conspiracy and terrorism forever.

Until the Bushies exposed him.

I wonder if they have an explanation for the non-attack on Bin Laden's farm, stopped because of a swingset in the surveillance shots.

107 Scorch  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:06:32pm

#31 lobo91

ROFLMAO I thought that chicken wire thing was a hoot, oh,oh and the other one that same guy did about how the tail section of flight 93 should of been sticking out of the ground. What a bunch of idiots.

108 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:06:37pm

102 neocon hippie

They got tired of loosing money pandering to the Micheal Moore crowd?

109 Canadian Guy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:06:50pm

If there's not a scene featuring Osama walking into a small-town U.S. bank, opening a new account and walking out of the bank with a rifle then they can't complain about it.

110 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:07:19pm

#99 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)

#95 Spiny Norman

Let me guess. ACLU schooled Clinton appointee on the bench for that one.

Sans googling, I'd be willing to bet the judge was a former ACLU lawyer. A damned awful lot of them on the bench.

Then again, maybe not - McCain-Feingold IS that intrusive.

111 DMays  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:07:35pm

Notice that the Bush administration is not asking ABC not to air the show or throwing a hissy fit about the program. As opposed to the Clinton apologists.

Bottom line, the Bush administration is staffed with adults who know that mistakes were made before 9/11 and the Clinton administration was staffed by immature individuals who won’t take responsibility for their actions. I guess a President really does set the tone for his administration.

112 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:08:46pm

#102 neocon hippie

Anyone care to comment how usually left-leaning ABC came to create the series in the first place?

Originally an independent production they bought?

113 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:08:49pm

Koskidz have been flipping out about this all week. I have to admit that I'm not a fan of fictionalized dramatizations of history but their reactions have been hysterical beyaod reason. If they'd freaked out this bad about Fahrenheit 9-11 I'd be posting at Dkos now.

114 Gadfly  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:09:24pm

So lets get this straight - the MSM is against the DNC, and Klinton era morlocks like Sandy Bulging Pants Berger speak the truth? Tom must be smoking the good stuff now.

115 JustMyView  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:09:51pm

#92 Kragar

To any Kossacks or DUmmies out there, let me present the most compelling arguement bebunking the whole "Loose Change" theory to date.

I don't know anything about DU, but Kos has said explicitly that he does not question the standard account of what happened on 9/11 and has also said that he doesn't want his site cluttered up with nonsense conspiracy theories. I don't follow the site, so I don't know how much of such discussion there was, but, for some time, their FAQ has said that it's not the place to discuss conspiracy theories.

I think they may be paranoid about Republicans, but I don't think most of them are that paranoid.

116 mich-again  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:10:46pm

I can sum up that Run-DNC letter in two words..

crack research

But I think he forgot the word "induced" that belongs in the middle.

But Sandy Berger may be correct in saying that the Clinton refusal to kill off bin Laden happened in the manner portrayed in the movie.

In Robert Patterson's book "Dereliction of Duty" he wrote that the call came in to Clinton while he was playing a round of golf and he refused to take the call that requested his approval to make the hit.

Had ABC actually portrayed the event as Robert Patterson claimed it went down, it would come off in the miniseries much worse than the scene they went with. ABC was actually nice to Clinton.

117 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:11:37pm

#111 DMays

Notice that the Bush administration is not asking ABC not to air the show or throwing a hissy fit about the program. As opposed to the Clinton apologists.

From what I've heard from someone who's seen the whole thing (John Zeigler on KFI radio), the Bush Administration comes off hardly better than the Clintoons - Condi Rice especially so.

118 EE  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:11:46pm

This Tom McMahon apparently has not even seen this show he is railing against. If he had, instead of talking in generalities about how the show is not telling the truth, he would quote something to make the point. He would say that the show says such-and-such (give the quote), and then he would present evidence that it is not true.

Apparently Tom McMahon is reacting to polls that show that the public does not trust the Democrats concerning the war on terror. They do not trust the Democrats to keep the Patriot Act intact. They do not trust the Democrats to continue the wiretapping of terrorists who make calls to the US. They do not trust the Democrats to do the terrorist-profiling that is needed to efficiently use investigative resources. They do not trust the Democrats to wage the war on terror, and they believe that the Democrats would dismantle our resistance to the terrorists. So Tom McMahon wants to take that issue -- the threat of terrorism -- off the table, off the minds of the public. To do that, he wants to war against any reminder of the threat of terrorism. That includes any reminder of the attacks of 9/11.

119 mamashawna  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:12:48pm

Not to be a nit picker...but all you people who read 'LIZARDOID OPERATIVE'...Charles CLEARLY states that he changed the name of the person who sent him this email in order to protect their identity...right before he posts the email from the DNC...

120 Catttt  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:12:55pm

I never watch ABC. I haven't turned to ABC in some 10 years (unless they ever hosted football games, the Superbowl or baseball playoff games, in which case I might have watched ABC). However, now I will find ABC and do that thing you do to make cable remind you to watch a show.

121 tronman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:13:20pm

Ahhh...sleep well brethren of the green scaley skin, and dream...dream of tomorrows controlled by these slimey liberal neo-communists. I have had a vision! And in this vision the majority of the population in our great country has been cheated, cheated by years of education at the hands of teachers unions. They have been cheated into believing they are not intelligent enough to determine the truth on their own based on facts, cheated into becoming reliant on a system of welfare whose only objective is to perpetuate itself!
In my vision these poor souls give themselves and their votes freely to whomever promises them the most from the fderal coffers, whomever reinforces the lessons learned in those public schools that America is truly to blame, and the one true evil in the world. These masses of hapless victims of a national shell game of hide the truth have become so indoctrinated that they will blindly and happily welcome in their oppressors!
Sleep well fellow reptilian truth hunters, for I have seen the truth and the future. The truth is that our population will believe anything they are told to believe as long as it comes from their long time educators and caregivers, after all that has been the lefts agenda all along, become the mother of all, and who can mistrust their mother. The future is...dark...very dark indeed.

122 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:13:47pm

#115 JustMyView

I think they may be paranoid about Republicans, but I don't think most of them are that paranoid.

Yes...yes they are!

123 norar  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:14:35pm
Does a major national broadcast network want to stain itself by presenting an irresponsible, slanderous, fraudulent, “docu-drama” to the American public?

And so there should be no other docudramas but DNC approved docudramas.

If you don't like it, label it as "irresponsible, slanderous, fraudulent", for example. Lenin perfected this technique many years ago, and Chomsky made a fortune using it quite freely.

Were there any objections by DNC to broadcasting vile anti-American conspiracy theories? Certainly, no letters went out on this subject.

124 Thanos  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:14:43pm
102 neocon hippie

They got tired of loosing money pandering to the Micheal Moore crowd?

This is too true. After the last two elections most major publishing firms were buried in a sea of red ink from all the Bush-bashing books that never sold through the advance fees.

It's like those static piles of Bill and Hilly books that never lower at Sam's Club and Costco book tables.

125 Cartman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:15:36pm

#106 Brent

I wonder if they have an explanation for the non-attack on Bin Laden's farm, stopped because of a swingset in the surveillance shots.

IMO, the Clinton administration will be viewed through an historical perspective as the most inept and destructive of all that have occupied the office. BJ's and dress stains aside. Asleep at the wheel, for eight long and insufferable years.

126 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:15:46pm

#119 mamashawna

Not to be a nit picker...but all you people who read 'LIZARDOID OPERATIVE'...Charles CLEARLY states that he changed the name of the person who sent him this email in order to protect their identity...right before he posts the email from the DNC...

That wasn't up from the beginning, but I think it was added after people started posting about it. I thought it was obvious myself.

127 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:15:50pm

#121 tronman
Keep smoking, it's working out great for you.

128 OLDPUPPYMAX  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:15:55pm

So that bastion of sanity and reasoned thinking, Democrat Underground, is working to convince its ubiquitous academy of perpetual droolers that ABC has suddenly decided to shill for the Republican party while making the Clinton faithful look like a Barney Fife convention. I prefer to believe that the left is in utter shock at the prospect of a member of the mainstream media telling the truth about the criminally incompetent, thoroughly self-serving workings of the Clinton White House. Hell, I'm stunned and I'm a conservative. Imagine how they feel for Gods sake, actually being sold out by a comrade presenting facts. Now that's cold!

129 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:16:07pm

#115 JustMyView

I dont exactly have the highest opinion of the patchouli scented mouthbreathers at DKos.

130 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:16:29pm
131 Gadfly  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:17:34pm

Full moon tomorrow may explain all the odd events this week.

If only Dish Network would switch back 282 to the Military Channel (preview) instead of the new Independent Film Channel (preview)and its Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual programming.

132 tronman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:17:47pm

127 Killgore Trout


Hey I can have a depressing thought occasionally can't I? Besides, it's good to see what the future might be if we don't do something to change it.

133 Patrizio  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:18:12pm

It's funny how these Communists often go completely nuts, exploding in furious rants and organizing efforts to picket what they don't like. I've been reading the Tom Tomorrow and Crooks & Liars blogs and they have been coordinating efforts to combat and pre-empt, before it's even shown, this program.

It's unbelievable. They haven't even seen it, but they already know they don't like it simply because it hints to be against their viewpoint and worldview/narrative. Therefore, they must get rid of it - lest some American viewers get a chance to see the truth.

It's the same reason why they have so consistently and furiously (the key here is the rage, the fury, the desperation) attacked FOX News. It's a cable channel that poses no "threat" to them. All other news channels (including the government's) have always leaned to the leftist side - while not necessarily being leftist per se. But here comes ONE channel that centers on an alternate viewpoint and they have sent in the cavalry since day one to attack it. Viciously. Why? Because they are intolerant. Because they can't stand the idea that their old domain -the media, television, the newspapers, the ways of getting information to people- might somehow change and be adopted by their ideological opponents.

134 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:19:32pm

#122 DesertSage

#115 JustMyView
I think they may be paranoid about Republicans, but I don't think most of them are that paranoid.

Yes...yes they are!

IIRC, Markos had to put his foot down after Loose Change started a whacked-out conspiracy shitstorm in the "Diaries". Charles may have posted on it, or I read something to that effect at another site. I wish I had that actual blog post saved.

135 tronman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:21:31pm

127 Killgore Trout

Oh...and I had to give up smokes after the third heart attack (withdrawals could explain my pessimistic outlook lately)

136 unionrepublican  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:21:46pm

"Your all Internets belong to Us"

kool-aid off

137 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:22:16pm

I haven't read this whole thread, sorry if this is a repeat...

Here's
another letter sent to ABC by John Conyers, John Dingell, Jane Harman, and Louise Slaughter:

Mr. Robert A. Iger
President and CEO
The Walt Disney Company

Dear Mr. Iger:

We are advised that ABC is scheduled to air a two-part mini-series entitled "The Path to 9/11" on September 10 and September 11. While we have not yet seen this program, news reports raise serious questions about its accuracy. Therefore, we request that the inaccuracies described herein be addressed immediately and that the program be thoroughly reviewed and revised for accuracy before it airs.

Among our concerns about the program are the following: first, it reportedly contains a scene in which Sandy Berger, the National Security Adviser to President Bill Clinton, declines to give Central Intelligence Agency operatives the authority to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden, and in which those operatives are outside a house where Bin Laden is located. This account has been expressly contradicted by Richard Clarke, a high-ranking counterterrorism official in both the Clinton and Bush Administrations.

Second, the film reportedly contains a scene in which the Central Intelligence Agency declines to share information about the 9/11 hijackers with the FBI and ascribes that failure to the so-called "wall," limiting information sharing by the Department of Justice in certain circumstances, and established by the Department of Justice in an internal memorandum.

This scene is puzzling at best, and inaccurate at worst. According to a Republican Member of the 9/11 Commission, former Senator Slade Gorton, the "Department of Justice guidelines at issue were internal to the Justice Department and were not even sent to any other agency. The guidelines had no effect on the Department of Defense and certainly did not prohibit it from communicating with the FBI, the CIA or anyone else."

These two examples alone create substantial doubt about the overall accuracy of this program. September 11th is a day of mourning and remembrance for every American. We do not believe that it is appropriate for it to be tainted by false assertions of blame or partisan spin.

To avoid that occurrence, we urge you to review this film and correct these and other inaccuracies. We appreciate your prompt attention and reply to this time sensitive matter.

Sincerely,

Representatives John Conyers, Jr., John Dingell, Jane Harman, Louise Slaughter

138 JustMyView  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:23:24pm

#129 Kragar

I dont exactly have the highest opinion of the patchouli scented mouthbreathers at DKos.

I understand. I was just responding to your post, which linked them w/ conspiracy theories, when the DKos FAQ explicitly rules out discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories. The reason for that ruling is that Kos, himself, regards them as a bunch of nonsense.

So, it's fair to criticize them on numerous other dimensions, but not on that one.

139 descolada9  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:24:36pm

sheesh, was that screed the Demofreaks sent out long enough? long-winded twits.

140 RationalLady  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:24:49pm

These people are, as if we didn't already know, 100% lunatics. And so are most of those at DU LOL...

In case no one has, I gave a heads-up on this to Drudge, pointing him here for the full text of the DNC letter.

141 Cartman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:25:15pm

#116 mich

In Robert Patterson's book "Dereliction of Duty" he wrote that the call came in to Clinton while he was playing a round of golf and he refused to take the call that requested his approval to make the hit.

After which, he returned to the clubhouse to make sure he had marked down (cheated on) his score, securing the defeat of his worthy opponent.

142 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:25:18pm

# 20 godfrey

They slash tires, don't they?


They believe in compulsion. Slashing tires is a definate option as is storming ("nonviolently", heh) TV stations and direct assaults on individuals.

We should try to keep count of their brownshirtish activities.

143 tankdemon  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:26:08pm

Did I just read that somebody is accusing ABC of being too conservative? I do believe I am going to catch the vapors

144 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:27:15pm
145 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:27:47pm

#135 tronman
Peace. Relax.

146 Frank_Mtl  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:28:40pm

Much as I would have been honored to be, I am not an American. I am however appalled beyond words that anyone, democrat or otherwise, calling themselves "American", would sink to such an abysmal bottom.

147 funkyfantom  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:29:16pm
Richard Clarke — the counterterrorism czar for the Clinton administration, now himself a consultant to ABC News — describes a key scene in “The Path to 9/11” as “180 degrees from what happened.” In the scene, a CIA field agent places a phone call to get the go ahead to kill Osama Bin Laden, then in his sights, only to have a senior Clinton administration official refuse and hang up the phone.

Contrast this quote from Clarke with THIS ( from the National Review) :

"At a meeting with Secretary of Defense William Cohen, Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Attorney General Janet Reno, and other staffers, Clarke was the only one in favor of retaliation against bin Laden."

The list of excuses seemed endless:

"Reno thought retaliation might violate international law and was therefore against it.

"Tenet wanted more definitive proof that bin Laden was behind the attack, although he personally thought he was.

"Albright was concerned about the reaction of world opinion to a retaliation against Muslims, and the impact it would have in the final days of the Clinton Middle East peace process.

"Cohen, according to Clarke, did not consider the Cole attack 'sufficient provocation' for a military retaliation."

And what about President Clinton? According to what Clarke told Miniter, he rejected the attack plan. Instead, Clinton twice phoned the president of Yemen demanding better cooperation between the FBI and the Yemeni security services.

Clarke offered a chillingly prescient quote from one aide who agreed with him about Clinton administration inaction: "What's it going to take to get them to hit al-Qaida in Afghanistan? Does al-Qaida have to attack the Pentagon?" said the dismayed Clintonista.

148 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:29:50pm
149 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:30:20pm

Somewhat OT

Look what I found.

Swarmlamp

150 logger phd  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:30:24pm

Isn't the DNC supposed to be the rational, moderate, triangulating arm of the Democratic Party?

151 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:30:36pm

#134 Spiny Norman

IIRC, Markos had to put his foot down after Loose Change started a whacked-out conspiracy shitstorm in the "Diaries".

I thought JMV was talking about the DU.


#137 Ringo the Gringo

To avoid that occurrence, we urge you to review this film and correct these and other inaccuracies. We appreciate your prompt attention and reply to this time sensitive matter.


Sincerely,


Representatives John Conyers, Jr., John Dingell, Jane Harman, Louise Slaughter

I'm sure that these esteemed Representatives sent the same letter to Michael Moore prior to the release of Fahrenheit 9/11?

152 Gadfly  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:30:45pm

#137 Ringo the Gringo,

Thats rich.

Elected high government officials trying to tell the MSM what not to air. That wouldn't be restricting free speech though, being as these are Democrats.

The use of Richard Clark's word as unvarnished truth from on high is a nice touch.

153 Patrizio  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:30:57pm

One more thing.

Is it just me or have hardcore Marxists taken over the Democratic Party? Everybody knows it's leftists that steer it nowadays, but look at the language and the points they make in that statement signed by Tom McMahon.

Denounciation of corporate America as necessarily a source of evil? Check! ("cog in the Walt Disney empire", constant mentions of the fact that ABC is owned by said company. So? I thought it was Disney that instituted Gay Day in Florida? What, they're evil now?)

Using well-known leftist intellectuals and partisan hacks as the supposedly independent source of your criticism? Check! (Richard Clarke, Sandy Berger) Notice both are borderline criminal in their past and recent behavior

Denounciations of "right-wing" writers and propaganda, as if it were implicitly bad or negative? Check!

Aren't they aware that this is not worthy of the party that basically represents half of the great American people? Aren't they embarassed by the clumsy writing and the retarded, ideological arguments they make? So, the docudrama is pure evil and you must stop it...because it's critical of Clinton and it has a right-wing agenda? Is that all you got?


Sure, the Democratic Pary is on the left wing. But one thing is to be in the opposition and lean to the left, and the other is to employ Marxist logic a-la-Michael Moore in your mainstream political discourse. It's something I've noticed lately. The likes of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean have led the Democrats way too far to the left. They have come to hold the Berkeley vision of the world that Zombie has so finely documented: the environment, women's rights, gay rights, the war on Iraq, September 11th, Christianity, the "plight" of the Palestinians are all part of the same narrative: the evil deeds of the white capitalist American man. If you ask these guys, it's all part of a "right-wing" agenda to control the world, keep the poor down, get the Muslims' Oil, pollute the environment, discriminate African Americans, and so on and on. Everybody knows morons like Michael Moore or Noam Chomsky hold these views - but the actual leadership of the Democratic Party, one of the oldest in the entire planet? I think it's a sobering idea when heading to the midterm elections.

154 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:31:23pm
#62 sixstringslinger

"This is a picture of bias — a conservative attempt to rewrite the history of September 11 to blame Democrats, just in time for the election."

Oh,I see. And Fahrenheit 911 wasn't? F*ck off, DU.

Yeah, they can dish it out, but they can't take it.

/pathetic, whining crybabies

155 SouthernRoots  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:31:52pm

But, of course, the new docudrama depicting the assination of Bush would be a fine thing to put on the airwaves...

Now, according to the DNC, "Walt Disney" is a perjorative term?

156 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:32:14pm

I find it fascinating how the war is being waged in the media. We here are on one of the war fronts, and we can feel how ferociously the enemy is fighting back.

We here run toward the firefights. It will be a long bruising battle, and failure is not an option.

157 Kirly  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:32:24pm

well, well, well. if this docu-drama turns out to be accurate, i'd say my next big vacation might just have to include a trip to disney world!

158 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:33:07pm

#16, mich-again

But I think he forgot the word "induced" that belongs in the middle.

LOL!

159 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:33:08pm

Both Bush and Clinton get their share of the blame? Let's look at some facts-

Clinton had just left the oval orifice after 8 yrs., and doing NOTHING AT ALL after all the terrorist attacks against us here and worldwide, and in Somalia, which bin Laden SAID convinced him we didn't have the WILL to fight.

President Bush had been president for about 8 months and one week, and most of his administration had yet to be confirmed due to Gore-Loserman trying to sue their way into the White House well into december.

Yeah, there's pleny of blame to spread around-

99.9% Clinton (For doing NOTHING for 8 years)

.1% Bush (For staying too long reading to the kids after being informed of the attacks)

160 DesertSage  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:33:14pm

#150 logger phd

Isn't the DNC supposed to be the rational, moderate, triangulating arm of the Democratic Party?

You're thinking of the DLC...which Kos was supposed to destroy about a year ago.

161 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:33:27pm

People who worked on the movie were on Hugh Hewitt tonight. They know there stuff.

162 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:33:36pm

#138 JustMyView

I was just responding to your post, which linked them w/ conspiracy theories, when the DKos FAQ explicitly rules out discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories. The reason for that ruling is that Kos, himself, regards them as a bunch of nonsense.


Nonetheless, his readers insist on perpetuating 9/11 conspiracy theories despite the ban. Let's be honest, there is a substantial portion of the LLL that persist (for whatever reason) in pushing these theories.

163 mich-again  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:33:49pm

Oh this is rich...

"Screw Them" Markos refers to Tom McMahon's brother Steve, who was Howard Dean's media consultant as an asshole in this post. linkie

And there was nothing more unpleasent, in any of those trips, than when I'd find myself face-to-face with Dean's media consultant -- Steve McMahon.

In my four years in politics, I haven't met a bigger asshole, a more unsavory character than McMahon...

(Incidentally, my distaste for Steve McMahon doesn't necessarily extend to his brother Tom, who is now Executive Director of the DNC.)

So then, Brother #1 is the biggest asshole that Kos has ever met in the world of politics, but Brother #2, hey he's a cool dude. I aint buying it. Same seed, same weed.

164 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:33:51pm

#116, mich-again

PIMF

165 brent  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:34:01pm

Again, the Nat Geographic special on the road to 9/11 was pretty interesting. The politics behind the Clinton inaction was the most interesting, maybe because it's gotten so little press.

Besides the scene with the swingset, there was a chance to raid UBL's camp, but a prince was there. Prince's dad was in the middle of a billion dollar deal for F16s, and they called off the strike. Couldn't risk queering the deal.

The USS Cole? The what? You're just making up names, now.

Also, the history of fighting in Afghanistan and the model that we followed - we basically took over that country with a dozen men, air power, and a serious pile of cash to buy allies. The Russians lost 15,000 men (?) and brought home another 50,000 injured in a resounding defeat. We lost what, fifteen?

The argument could be made that we lost bin laden due to too few boots, but with the last lesson being the Soviets, I can see the hesitation to sending in more bodies. But what do I know, I'm probably a chicken hawk armchair quarterback - I digress.

166 RationalLady  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:34:05pm

Savage_Nation said:

All Matt wants to talk about is all his showbiz buds.

Well, at least right now his header is about I'madinnerjacket. We can always hope...

and also said:

What a GREAT place my new company is at. Made my skin tingle all over all day today. :)

Do I infer from this that you are now a Disney employee? If so, welcome to the (MM) club!

167 carridine  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:35:43pm
"Does a major national broadcast network want to stain itself by presenting an irresponsible, slanderous, fraudulent, “docu-drama” to the American public?"

Well, Duhhh! YES, if it has Michael Moore's blorch of approval! You better honk!

168 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:35:48pm

OT:

French, Americans would back strike on Iran: poll

Asked the best way to avert the risk, 45 percent in Europe and 28 percent of Americans favored incentives while 36 percent of Americans and 28 percent of Europeans backed sanctions.

Only a handful in either the United States or Europe cited supporting opposition groups, while 15 percent of Americans and 6 percent of Europeans see military action as the best way.

However, when asked what should happen if non-military measures failed to stop Tehran acquiring atomic weapons, 53 percent of Americans and 43 percent of Europeans supported taking military action rather than accepting a nuclear Iran.

In France, the figure was 54 percent. In Germany, 40 percent supported military action but 46 percent said it would be better to let Iran acquire nuclear arms.

169 Canadian Guy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:36:32pm

Let me translate in bold

Mr. Robert A. Iger
President and CEO
The Walt Disney Company

Dear Mr. Iger:

We are advised that ABC is scheduled to air a two-part mini-series entitled "The Path to 9/11" on September 10 and September 11. September 11 is an important date because it is two months before election day. While we have not yet seen this program, (we're clueless) news reports raise serious questions about its accuracy. Therefore, we request that the inaccuracies described herein be addressed immediately and that the program be thoroughly reviewed and revised for accuracy before it airs.

Among our concerns about the program are the following: first, it reportedly contains a scene in which Sandy Berger, the National Security Adviser to President Bill Clinton, may peace be with him, declines to give Central Intelligence Agency operatives the authority to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden, and in which those operatives are outside a house where Bin Laden is located. This account has been expressly contradicted by Richard Clarke, a high-ranking counterterrorism official in both the Clinton, may peace be with him, and Bush Administrations. Although we don't know what the true acccount is and we believe that it was the result of the yet to be born, evil Bush Administration.

Second, the film reportedly contains a scene in which the Central Intelligence Agency declines to share information about the 9/11 hijackers with the FBI and ascribes that failure to the so-called "wall," limiting information sharing by the Department of Justice in certain circumstances, and established by the Department of Justice in an internal memorandum.

This scene is puzzling at best, and inaccurate at worst. According to a Republican Member of the 9/11 Commission, former Senator Slade Gorton, the "Department of Justice guidelines at issue were internal to the Justice Department and were not even sent to any other agency. The guidelines had no effect on the Department of Defense and certainly did not prohibit it from communicating with the FBI, the CIA or anyone else." And as you know these kind of screw ups only happen when Republicans are in power.

These two examples alone create substantial doubt about the overall accuracy of this program. September 11th is a day of mourning and remembrance for every American. We do not believe that it is appropriate for it to be tainted by false assertions of blame or partisan spin unless it blames Republicans.

To avoid that occurrence, and the FCC coming down on your ass next time you carry a risque beer commercial, we urge you to review this film and correct these and other inaccuracies. We appreciate your prompt attention and reply to this time sensitive matter.


Sincerely,


Representatives John Conyers, Jr., John Dingell, Jane Harman, Louise Slaughter

170 cbinflux  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:36:41pm

OT from USA Today's print edition
Lionel Richie's Coming Home [from Moammar Qaddafi's lap] Tour to benefit United Way
[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

similar blog article
[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

Does United Way have PR and Research departments?!

171 JustMyView  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:36:44pm

funkyfantom

Contrast this quote from Clarke with THIS ( from the National Review)

Do you know who wrote the National Review article and what the author's sources were?

172 tankdemon  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:36:54pm

137 Ringo

From the letter you posted:

While we have not yet seen this program, news reports raise serious questions about its accuracy.

Well, if you're going to believe news reports, I have serious doubts about the accuracy of anything you are going to say.

First of all, its a docudrama, which means work of fiction, people. I know that it is based on the 9/11 commission report, but that doesn't mean it is an accurate depiction. As much as the dems have their panties in a was, I would assume that it must be pretty damned accurate, but you must realize that both the Movie Psycho and the movie The Texas Chainsaw Massacre are based upon the same actual person.

I am happy to ridicule the DUmmies and the DNC about their paranoia, and I intend to watch the minisieries, but I am definitely going to be taking it with a grain of salt.

(Appropos of nothing, be advised that if you must take something with a grain of salt, be sure that the salt is on the rim of a margerita glass.)

173 logger phd  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:36:59pm

#160 Desert Sage

Thanks for clearing that up. I always get them mixed up.

It's hard to tell, what witht he Democrats eating their own so much nowadays.

174 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:37:39pm
175 tradewind  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:38:59pm

LGF'ers should bombard Tom of the DNC with this message:

Democrats prove once again that while they love to dish it out, taking it is not in their DNA (or DNC). It's called responsibility, Tom, deal with it.

176 mich-again  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:39:13pm

and weird bit of trivia re my 163

So Kos says that Tom McMahon has an "asshole brother". And those two words are part of the lyrics from a song by the band ... Bush.

Should I fly to Los Angeles
Find my asshole brother
177 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:39:51pm

Okay, some entertainment from a local blogger:

[Link: koolaidreport.blogspot.com...]

A White House Press Conference Is Different from Kindergarten How, Exactly?

The following is the transcript of the White House press conference in which NBC ubersnotbag David Gregory and Press Secretary Tony Snow got into a bit of a dustup:

Q Actually, Tony, I don't think that's fair, if you look at the facts. If you look at the facts.

MR. SNOW: Well, I do, because -- no, because, for instance --

Q No, no, no. No, I don't think you should be able to just wipe that, kind of dismiss the question --

MR. SNOW: Well, let me --

Q It's not a Democratic argument, Tony.

MR. SNOW: Let me answer the question, David.

Q But hold on, let's not let you get away with saying that's a Democratic argument.

MR. SNOW: Okay, let me -- let's not let you get away with being rude. Let me just answer the question, and you can come back at me.

Q Excuse me. Don't point your finger at me. I'm not being rude.

MR. SNOW: Yes, you are.

Q Don't try to dismiss me as making a Democratic argument, Tony, when I'm speaking fact.

MR. SNOW: Well, okay -- well, no --

Q You can do that to the Democrats; don't do it to me.

MR. SNOW: No, I'm doing it to you because the second part was factually tendentious, okay? Now, when you were talking about the fact that it failed to adapt, that's just flat wrong. And you will be -- there has been -- there have been repeated attempts to try to adapt to military realities, to diplomatic realities, to development of new weapons and tools on the part of al Qaeda, including the very creative use of the Internet. So the idea that somehow we're staying the course is just wrong. It is absolutely wrong.

Q No it's not.

MR. SNOW: Yes it is.

Q No it's not.

MR. SNOW: Yes it is.

Q No it's not.

MR. SNOW: Yes it is.

Q Nuh uh.

MR SNOW: Ya huh.

Q Nuh uh.

MR. SNOW: Ya huh.

Q Nuh uh.

MR SNOW: Nuh uh.

Q Ya huh... DOH!

MR SNOW: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Q Oh yeah? Well...you're a big poopy head!

MR. SNOW: I know you are but what am I?

Q A big poopy head -

MR. SNOW: I know you are but what am I?

Q You are a super-duper poopy head!

MR. SNOW: I'm rubber you're glue - whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!

Q Fine. You are a smart and handsome guy. Boing! Bounced off you and stuck to me. Ha ha!Whaddya think of that beeeyotch?!

HELEN THOMAS: Meh. Meh. Meeehhh!

Q Shut up, Helen.

MR. SNOW: Yeah. Shut up Helen.

HELEN THOMAS: I can't stand you icky-poopy boys anymore. I'm taking my wig and going home!

Q Neener neener neener!

MR. SNOW: David? You are so totally gay!

JEFF GANNON: It's true! I have pictures.

MR. SNOW: OK - who let that guy back in here?!

It's pretty hard to tell when I started making stuff up, isn't it?

Dingleberries!

178 RationalLady  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:40:29pm

Savage_Nation said:

Got to watch the C141's taking off and landing all damn day.

How very cool...sorry for the misunderstanding. Now if they were only heading off to do ... oh, well, I can dream...

179 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:40:50pm

#168 solomonpanting

The poll, conducted in June, also showed a profound shift in Turkish public opinion away from the West and toward sympathy with Iran, partly reflecting a decline of support for Turkey's bid to join the European Union among both Turks and Europeans.

The study, conducted for the German Marshall Fund of the United States, found European disapproval of President George W. Bush's conduct of foreign policy has risen to 76 percent, the highest in five years, while only 18 percent support it.


We'd better change our foreign policy pronto!

180 LSD  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:41:01pm

Write Disney and ABC and thank them for showing it, saying you'll watch ...

181 tradewind  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:41:45pm

#169,

(Re Bubba, and ' may peace be with him ', rest assured, some piece is probably with him more often than not).

182 Canadian Guy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:42:11pm

#153 Patrizio

One more thing.

Is it just me or have hardcore Marxists taken over the Democratic Party?

Your eyes are deceiving you with the fantasies of a madman, comrade. Go back to your cubical.

/marxist Baghdad Bob

183 ted  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:42:26pm

"and sell a slanderous, irresponsible fraud to the American people, and they’re shamefully doing it just weeks away from Election Day."

Uh, dont they mean some documents that say GWB didnt serve in the TANG?

Charles, do you know something about this?

Im a bit confused here

sarc off/

184 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:43:01pm
185 Fiery Red XIII  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:43:23pm

#15 Cato the Elder, that MMB applies to my bro too!

Red

186 attentionseeker  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:43:35pm

I visited the Democratic Party website petition and sent one right off. Modified it just a bit; basically thanking Robert Iger (Disney's CEO) for having the courage to allow this to show. After you get through that part, it allows you to send a similar form letter to all your friends to tell them how evil the nasty Neo-Cons at ABC are and to boycott the miniseries. Well, I sent out a few of these all right - modified, of course. The first paragraph remains as they wrote it, since it is true; the rest was my corrections of their phallus... excuse me, fallacies. Here's my version, which got sent out just as I wrote it here. Heh.

Hi,

The ABC television network -- a cog in the Walt Disney empire -- unleashed a promotional blitz in the last week for a new "docudrama" called "The Path to 9/11". ABC has thrown its corporate might behind the two-night production, and bills it as a public service: a TV event, to quote the ABC tagline, "based on the 9/11 Commission Report".

This is probably the first time the liberal media has actually told the truth when a Democrat, in the form of William J. Clinton, is on the hot seat. His lack of action and treasonous coverups during his administration and after 9/11 (who can forget Sandy "Pants" Berger's little pant-stuffing caper?) is the direct cause of the misery of 9/11. Please dust off the television and watch ABC for this miniseries, and lets let the ratings show the liberal network heads that conservatives vote with their viewing habits!


Join me in telling Walt Disney CEO Robert Iger thank you for having the testicular fortitude to show this program.

By the way, this is being sent from the Democratic Party's servers, just to tweak the little fruitloops off a bit. Cheers!
David
[Link: www.democrats.org...]

187 fuzzylogic  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:43:42pm

Ahhh... the smell of DNC fear... love it!

188 brent  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:44:07pm

One last thing... Since when has Liberal come to mean intolerance and censorship? Shit, I heard a Savage commercial today talking about censoring CNN - that seems about right for him (maybe just a tad too angry for my taste).

Then I come home and hear the Dems want to censor ABC for a film they've not seen yet.

And then my mind wanders... Gannon, a reporter that (gasp) dares to ask friendly questions of the president. Did you know he was gay?! My God, how many gay jokes did you hear from your liberal friends and on TV during that period?

The fever swamp of Yahoo stock boards - how many "did you know Bush was gay during college" posts can you wade thru before you realize you're not going to get stock info there? I still think that's being paid for ala the Nixon ratfuck school of political science.

Anyway, I hope this film airs in its intended form, and I hope the shit hits the fan.

I would love to hear one person say "I didn't know Clinton really let him go" about Bin Laden. Maybe backed with "What a dick.".

In a perfect world...

189 Proud kaffir  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:44:12pm

#115 Justmyview

While it is true that Kos has come out against conspiracy theories, and has even in the past temporarily banned some CT'ers, the Kos diaries are usually now replete with these theories. This means that either a) Kos is too lazy to control content, or b) The CT'ers have become too numerous on the left to keep quiet, or c) Kos has decided that since it's anti-Bush, it should be allowed.

If you have the stomach, do a cursory search on the site and it'll confirm what I have wriiten. It is fair to say that Dkos is full of these conspiracy nutballs.

190 ted  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:45:28pm

"ABC is trying to use of the airwaves — airwaves owned by you and me, and loaned to broadcasters as a public trust"

You mean i own the airwaves too?

Wow!

Can i sell my piece on Ebay?

191 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:46:04pm
192 Canadian Guy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:46:56pm

#172 tankdemon 9/6/2006 08:36PM PDT

First of all, its a docudrama, which means work of fiction,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a docudrama was based on real events and reenacted by actors.

193 tradewind  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:47:21pm

#15, cato,

(Reality be upon him).

Don't stop until you get him away from the cult... hire a deprogrammer if necessary...
/grin/

194 RiteWingFascist  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:47:41pm

Since when do libs get all huffy over "fake, but accurate"?

195 footballfan0786  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:47:59pm

ABC is trying to use of the airwaves — airwaves owned by you and me, and loaned to broadcasters as a public trust — to slander Democrats and sell a slanderous, irresponsible fraud to the American people, and they’re shamefully doing it just weeks away from Election Day.

Ha Ha. How does it feel? This has been my bitch for years against the MSM.

Also, #66 distant thunder... Try Home Schooling. You get to sleep with the teacher...

..footballfan

196 NTropy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:48:16pm

Gee, and I was of the opinion that there was enough blame to go around for everybody. Apparently the donks can't face up to theirs.

197 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:50:09pm

Just found this in my email from a lefty:

Roger Cressey, former Chief of Staff to Bush's Critical Infrastructure Protection Board was on Scarborough bashing ABC's 9/11 mockumentary.

Cressey's background:
[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

(emphasis mine)


SCARBOROUGH: Roger, let me begin with you. There are points of this docudrama that are more drama than fact. But talk about Bill Clinton and the central premise by ABC that he should have done more to get Bin Laden.

CRESSEY: Joe, it's amazing, based on what I've seen so far is how much they've gotten wrong. They got the small stuff wrong such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed instructing Ahmed Rassam to carry out the millenium attacks. Then they got the big stuff wrong, this fantasy about how we had a CIA officer and the Northern Alliance leader Ahmed Massoud looking at Bin Laden and they breathlessly call the White House to say we need to take him out and the White House said no. I mean it's sheer fantasy. So, if they want to critique the Clinton administration and the Bush administration, based on fact, I think that's fine. But what ABC has done here is something straight out of Disney and fantasyland. It's factually wrong. And that's shameful.

SCARBOROUGH: But at the same time, doesn't history show that Bill Clinton had several opportunities to go after bin Laden, but the President and his cabinet were afraid to do so because they may offend some people in the Arab world?

CRESSEY: Actually, Joe, that had nothing to do with it. If you read the 9/11 Commission report, it makes it very clear. In most of those cases, George Tenet, the Director of the CIA, said because there was single source intelligence it was his recommendation to the President not to take the shot. There was never a case where we had a clear shot at Bin Laden and the decision to take it wasn't made.


Video here:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Interesting factoid:
The Saudi Arabian Royal Family owns a major share of Disney and ABC.

198 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:50:49pm

#194 RiteWingFascist

When its not them doing it.

199 mich-again  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:51:02pm

It is most peculiar that all these foaming-at-the-piehole DNC operatives who want to grill ABC over allegedly fabricating the story about how President Clinton missed the opportunity to take down bin Laden have ignored Robert Patterson's book all this time. Go to the Amazon site and read reviews of his book, Dereliction of Duty... link

Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Robert "Buzz" Patterson was a military aide to President Clinton from May 1996 to May 1998 and one of five individuals entrusted with carrying the "nuclear football" [not the little green one-ed] —the bag containing the codes for launching nuclear weapons. This responsibility meant that he spent a considerable amount of time next to the president, giving him a unique perspective on the Clinton administration. Though he arrived at the job "filled with professional devotion and commitment to serve," he left believing that Clinton had "sown a whirlwind of destruction upon the integrity of our government, endangered our national security, and done enormous harm to the American military in which I served."

Dereliction of Duty is not a personal attack on President Clinton or a commentary on his various scandals; rather, it is a "frank indictment of his obvious—to an eyewitness—failure to lead our country with responsibility and honor." Lt. Col. Patterson offers a damning list of anecdotes and charges against the President, including how Clinton lost the nuclear codes and shrugged it off; how he stalled and lost the opportunity to launch a direct strike on Osama bin Laden at a confirmed location;...

The DNC would not dare challenge a debate with Patterson. He would shred any and all of them. But they've identified a soft target with ABC. If ABC is smart, and I think they are, they will give Patterson a call and ask him to be on stand-by to answer questions to Alan Colmes et al. It will help promote his book and keep ABC out of the direct line of fire.

200 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:51:21pm

#184 Savage...

Play around on that blog. Those guys are incredibly funny. A bit of potty mouths, but sometimes that's just neccesary.

Their specalty is taking letters to the editors written by moonbats and total ripping them apart.

[Link: koolaidreport.blogspot.com...]

Sample...

So, You Googled Your Name and Wound Up Here

There are two ways this could have occurred:

1) Your parents showed they had a cruel sense of humor by naming you Drooling Greasy Anal Discharge Moonbat Moron; or

2) You wrote a really stupid letter to the editor.

If #1 applies to you, or if you're merely a victim of an odd coincidence that caused your google searching to go horribly awry, you can stop reading now.

For all you #2's - read on

[Link: koolaidreport.blogspot.com...]

201 tankdemon  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:54:31pm

192 Canadian Guy

Yes, a docudrama is based on actual events, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it accurately portrays them. If you see anything in the movie that doesn't seem kosher, try to investigate it more thorugh other sources. And remember that generally the conversations are not taken verbatim.

United 93 is also a dicudrama, but there is much that actually went on in that plane that had to be fabricated for the movie just because there is no way of knowing what really happened. Also, there are times when things will be condensed or skipped over just for the simple fact that it allows the story to flow better. In the docudrama Blackhawk Down, some of the characters on screen are actually amalgams of three or more actual people.

202 Big-Dog  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:55:40pm

he donks are always trying to ewrite history.

Howard Dean On Rewriting History

203 ted  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:56:10pm

OT: NY Times wants you and I to feed cloth, provide Korans and TV to murderers who killed 3000 men,women and children...for life!

We cant execute them, i guess...

A Sudden Sense of Urgency


Published: September 7, 2006

Two months before a Congressional election in which voters are expressing serious doubts about the Republicans’ handling of national security, President Bush finally has some real terrorists in Guantánamo Bay.

Mr. Bush admitted yesterday that the Central Intelligence Agency has been secretly holding prisoners and said he was transferring 14 to Guantánamo Bay, including some believed to have been behind the 9/11 attacks. He said he was informing the Red Cross about the prisoners, placing them under the Geneva Conventions, and asking that Congress — right now — create military tribunals to try them.

Those are just the right steps. If Guantánamo Bay has any purpose, it is for men like Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-Shibh, considered key players in 9/11. They should go on trial. If convicted, they should be locked up for life

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

204 tradewind  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:56:46pm

A little air freshener for the Lamestreams on the 9-11 documdrama:

[Link: timeswatch.org...]

205 Captain Hate  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:57:11pm
Less than two weeks ago, 9/11 Commission member Richard Ben-Veniste confronted a lead writer of “The Path to 9/11” after watching the first half of the miniseries at a screening

Why the republicans didn't refuse to allow this greasy quisling and that traitorous whore Gorelick on the 9/11 Commission I'll never know. The Commission had no credibility with me from that point until now. If Ben-Veniste *spit* doesn't like the documentary it must be totally accurate.

206 Canadian Guy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 6:58:20pm

Thanks Tankdemon

207 Hankmeister  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:00:36pm

Isn't it hilarious that these BDS afflicted, moronic libs don't bat an eye when they virtually inhale Michael Mooron's "FairlyHyped 9/11" bag of lies and yet these barking moonbats rush to condemn a fairly responsible ABC documentary about 9/11 based on documented fact? Buwahahahahahahaha. Still jumping like lemmings into their sea of kool-aid!

208 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:01:15pm

#205 Captain Hate

Why the republicans didn't refuse to allow this greasy quisling and that traitorous whore Gorelick on the 9/11 Commission I'll never know.

A fine question. Ben-Veniste and Gorelick were on that commission for the sole purpose of covering Clinton's ass.

209 HeatherRadish  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:01:22pm
Does a major national broadcast network want to stain itself by presenting an irresponsible, slanderous, fraudulent, “docu-drama” to the American public?


Seems to be OK if the "docu-drama" is about killing W. *shrug* Sauce for the gander.

210 big L  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:02:34pm

177-DAve the- this was so funny...you had me going, particularly the "Nuh uh" part after I read the prior exchange a couple of days ago.

211 Skinless Frank  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:02:50pm

Are they trying to tell us that Clinton really killed bin Laden? That his response to the first WTC attack was so robust that there was never a follow-up?

The short answer is no, Clinton did not recognize the danger and did not deal with it effectively. Blowing up an aspirin factory in Sudan or some empty tents in Afghanistan did not exactly meet the challenge. The long answer is pretty much the same, but you have to read through the whole 9/11 commission report to get there. I don't know how they can figure to make history line up with their talking points. They had a job to do, and didn't do it.

Clinton had 8 years to deal with it, Bush had 8 months. Nothing the Democrats have said or done since 9/11 has convinced me that they have any intention of prosecuting this war any further than blowing up more empty tents in retaliation for the murder of my countrymen, if in fact they intend to go that far without passing the "global test." Sure are hell on goats and lizards, aren't they? The Democrats are profoundly unserious, and I am ashamed to have ever voted for them.

212 Elastigirl  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:03:06pm

Something that no one has pointed out, these are the same folks who claim their views are being censored. That the big bad republicans and the patriot act and blah blah blah blah are trying to censor them.
I'm not really in the whole pysch thing but wouldn't that be called projection.

213 mich-again  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:03:10pm

202 Big-Dog

The Patterson book is the key to this whole "miniscandal". We're working the same corner.

The DNC and their little pooch McMahon are in way over their heads with this stupid protest campaign. The smartest thing they could do is shut up and let the show air- heck, no one watches ABC anyway. But if they want to make a big stink out of it, it will blow up in their face like a loaded cigar.

I can't wait. Its almost, dare I say, Rovian.

214 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:05:39pm

#179 Killgore Trout

The study, conducted for the German Marshall Fund of the United States, found European disapproval of President George W. Bush's conduct of foreign policy has risen to 76 percent, the highest in five years, while only 18 percent support it.

So, it would appear that the Euros have similar information about Iran's nuke program that we do. I also assume they had information on Saddam's WMD programs similar to ours. They seem to be much more aggressive before any action is actually taken.

215 Captain Hate  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:06:13pm

#208 Spiny Norman

Absolutely; you knew it, I knew it and so did anybody with a minimum level of cognitive ability. When the repubs let themselves get rolled so easily on a matter like this, how can we really feel any confidence in them?

216 big L  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:06:48pm

Hey, everyone, Notice how DU and cohorts direct everyone's attention away from Khatemi (Khatami) and Ahmadinejad and heavy water?

Also time for fundraising too. Like the Rather memo defense. Every month or 6 wks out comes the bizarro Donk/vox populi stuff. Keep the partisans in line and get money and...look over here to trivialities and away from Important life-threatening issues just as people are beginning to pay attention.

217 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:08:11pm

OK, if this has not been posted, this, from a very reliable fellow Republican...Hugh Hewitt's take.

The Disney execs met all through the weekend - unheard of in this business - debating what changes would be made and what concessions should be given. Here is what looks to be the conclusion:

- There will be a handful of tweaks made to a few scenes.
- They are minor, and nuance in most cases - a line lift here, a tweak to the edit there.
- There are 900 screeners out there. When this airs this weekend, there will be a number of people who will spend their free evenings looking for these changes and will be hard pressed to identify them. They are that minor.
- The average viewer would not be able to tell the difference between the two versions.
- The message of the Clinton Admin failures remains fully intact.

The story here is the backlash that the Disney/ABC execs experienced was completely unexpected and is what caused them to question themselves and make these changes at all. Had this been the Bush Admin pressuring, they wouldn't have even taken the call. The execs and studio bosses are dyed in the wool liberals and huge supporters of Clinton and the Democratic Party in general. They had no idea any of this could happen. As I understand this, the lawyers and production team spent literally months corroborating every story point down to the sentence. The fact that they were the attacked and vilified by their "own team" took them completely by surprise; this is the first time they've been labeled right-wing, conservative conspiracists.

The scramble caused by this backlash was so all consuming that the execs spent their holiday weekend behind closed door meetings and revamped their ad campaign. But at the end of their mad scramble, they found only a handful of changes they could make and still be true to the events. The changes are done only to appease the Clinton team - to be able to say they made changes. But the blame on the Clinton team is in the DNA of the project and could not be eradicated without pulling the entire show. A $40 million investment on the part of ABC is enough to stem even Bill Clinton's influence.

An exclamation point on this event is the fact that Oliver Stone will endorse the project this week. Not known for his conservative leanings, he loves the project. Perhaps this and the fact that the production company that made Al Gore's movie, "An Inconvenient Truth" are endorsing it would underline just how far out or touch and scared the Clinton Admin is about the revelation of the facts as portrayed in this project. Is it just that Clinton is continuing to re-define his legacy? Or is it his fears for this election cycle and 2008? Or both?

Thanks for getting the word out. It's made a significant difference in getting this broadcasted as it should be.

218 big L  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:09:44pm

Re:Docu-drama. Either it is a documentary or a drama, It really happened so why dramatize and "re-enact stuff"?
/except Sandy Hamburgler shoving papers down his pants and sox.Let's see that as a re-enactment.

219 hithere  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:12:11pm

So the DNC finally finds bias at ABC. Remarkable.

The DNC doesn't bother to point out that Former Senator George Mitchell (D-Maine) is on the DIS board of directors. Why don't they just voice their objections to him?

The DNC is talking out of Sandy Berger's pants.

220 calculatorjockey  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:12:16pm

Dems are such a bunch of disgusting cowards. They slash tires when no one is around. They maintain hate-filled websites. They steal lawn signs of political opponents. They engage in childish insults and pettiness. And they have the audactiy to claim that conservative want to rewrite history when that has been their specialty for decades.

I am so tempted to hunt down some far lefty types and work them over with an aluminum bat.

221 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:12:58pm
#150 logger phd 9/6/2006 08:30PM PDT
Isn't the DNC supposed to be the rational, moderate, triangulating arm of the Democratic Party?

IIRC what you are thinking of is the DLC, The Democratic Leadership Council.
The DNC is the Democratic National Committee, the folks that run the national party.

222 Canadian Guy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:15:11pm

No doubt if the White House put pressure on the networks they'd be accused of censorship and ABC would dig up David Brinkly from the grave, hold a press conference and denounce the government and promise the "American public" not to change one ioata of the story because this is First Amendment issue. No exageration (except for Brinkley)

223 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:15:31pm

#217 NY Nana

The fact that they were the attacked and vilified by their "own team" took them completely by surprise; this is the first time they've been labeled right-wing, conservative conspiracists.

After the treatment given Lieberman, no one should be surprised.

224 elBarto  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:15:35pm

I think that most people have made up thier minds about what happened on 9-11. The majority will either have their opinions re enforced or think that this is another part of the grand conspiracy.

225 Affinity  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:16:42pm

A 'documentary' kicking all blame to Clinton to distract from the catastrophic blunders made during this administration. How cute. How original.

226 Drill_Thrawl  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:17:22pm

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

- The Bard

227 Canadian Guy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:18:22pm

#225 Affinity 9/6/2006 09:16PM PDT

A 'documentary' kicking all blame to Clinton to distract from the catastrophic blunders made during this administration. How cute. How original.



I sense a disturbance in the force.

228 chazmo  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:18:33pm

#149 Noam
I have been playing around with your link and wow you must a started something. A ton of swarms.

229 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:20:16pm

#220 calculatorjockey

I am so tempted to hunt down some far lefty types and work them over with an aluminum bat.


I'd go with the classic Louisville Slugger for that sort of thing.

The problem is that beating up these idiots is only a momentary pleasure and will cause other to speak adversely of you...to the police.

230 Affinity  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:21:11pm
#220 calculatorjockey 9/6/2006 09:12PM PDT

Dems are such a bunch of disgusting cowards. They slash tires when no one is around. They maintain hate-filled websites. They steal lawn signs of political opponents. They engage in childish insults and pettiness. And they have the audactiy to claim that conservative want to rewrite history when that has been their specialty for decades.

I am so tempted to hunt down some far lefty types and work them over with an aluminum bat.

And your solution proves that you are an individual of a higher order. Right? I'm not sure what one does with irony this ridiculously thick.

231 Canadian Guy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:21:24pm
232 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:21:39pm
#225 Affinity 9/6/2006 09:16PM PDT
A 'documentary' kicking all blame to Clinton to distract from the catastrophic blunders made during this administration. How cute. How original.

From what I've heard, there's blame enough for the Bush Administration. What you can't accept is any blame for Cleanton.

233 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:24:30pm
234 Canadian Guy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:25:28pm
235 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:25:57pm

225 Affinity

A 'documentary' kicking all blame to Clinton to distract from the catastrophic blunders made during this administration. How cute. How original.

Well, lets take a look at some of the other "documentaries" out there for comparison.

Hmmm, you are right. Blaming Clinton is somewhat original considering how many movies have placed the blame on him in the past.

Nice catch.

236 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:27:49pm

One of my favorite Dem talking points is that when presented with all the times prominent Democratic leaders had talked about Saddamns WMD, their response?

"Okay he did have them, but Clintons missle attacks destroyed them all."

237 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:28:18pm

# 234 Canadian Guy

Web cam picture of Affinity writing her posts on LGF.


Excuse me. I have to go tear out my eyes.

238 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:29:36pm

#222 Canadian Guy

I can't see the White House doing this...now seeing the dhummicrats doing it? The truth is their enemy, and seeing the MSM, especially ABC, which is L3 and Disney making this? It is a shock.

#223 Solomon Panting

After the treatment given Lieberman, no one should be surprised.

He may just be back in Congress...I admire his courage.

And this ringing endorsement from our veterans speaks volumes.

Sen. Joe Lieberman's re-election bid is getting some outside help from a group grateful for the lawmaker's support for the Iraq war.

Vets for Freedom, an independent group with Republican ties, will air an ad in Connecticut today and Thursday featuring veterans from the state who thank the incumbent for backing the conflict.

Executive director Wade Zirkle said his group's political arm is spending $60,000 to broadcast the commercial on cable and network channels.

''We want to support policymakers who've been supportive of troops in the field,'' said Zirkle.

Vets for Freedom calls itself a nonpartisan organization that was founded by Iraq and Afghanistan combat veterans.

Advisers to the group have included Republican strategist Dan Senor, former spokesman for the defunct Coalition Provisional Authority in post-invasion Iraq; Bill Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard, and former Lieberman chief of staff Bill Andresen, Zirkle said.

The ad features Connecticut veterans praising Lieberman's Iraq stance.

''When we were over there, it was important to know that someone had our back,'' one of the veterans says in the commercial.

Anti-war challenger Ned Lamont made Lieberman's support for the war a major issue in his primary victory last month. Lieberman launched an independent bid to retain his seat after losing the primary.

Polls show Lieberman leading Lamont and Republican Alan Schlesinger.

239 mattm  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:29:45pm

When the DNC is trying to do it's best to prevent a film frm showing that critizes Clinton there is something really wrong with the party. I don't know what to say. The Dems are trying to revise history to help them win an election, because they can't win on their own. They know that the non-moonbat segment of the population has not forgotten what happened and what they witnessed. The "red states" will not forget this, the "blue states" want to forget this so they cna regain power. If/when another attack hits the the Dems will care more anput politicial advantage, rather than the innocent lives lost. I hope this whole thing backfires on them. Badly.

240 seawitch1261  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:31:19pm

Perhaps a counter petition can be created to thank ABC for airing The Path to 9-11.

241 unionrepublican  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:34:32pm

Can we bring out UBL and fly him ala John Mark Karr to NYC to face my tribunal? on November 7th? shaven and friggin' nekkid?

puhleeze?

242 Occam's Beard  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:35:06pm

A modest proposal: show the Path to 9/11, and Fahrenheit 9/11, back to back (i.e., on successive days).

I've seen F9/11, and it is rubbish, but showing them both - unedited - at least preserves a semblance of even-handedness politically, and ought to (but probably won't) shut up those squawking about Path. Who could then complain? Also, the comparison would almost have to favor Path, given the moronic level of F9/11.

243 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:35:58pm

#234 Canadian Guy

I think this is her photo...(#237 The Other Les: barf alert warning! And protect your eyes! :))

244 mich-again  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:36:14pm

225 Affinity

Hey DUmbie, are you disputing that Clinton was actually given the chance to kill off bin Laden long before 9/11? Because if you are, you are calling Buzz Patterson a liar. So please back up that accusation.

Now if you are just trying to dillute the blame from WJBC by smearing some of it onto GWB, than go ahead and make your case. We are logical, we'll listen.

But we both know you got nothing. You are the prototypical undereducated liberal groupthink motard bitch.

245 mattm  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:37:49pm

One of the DU posters:

If it is to be pinned, it should be done in a slow forum to stay off the freeper radar.

A little late for that, isn't it. I seems DU has some of the dumbest people who post there. It remindes me of that line from Billy Madison,

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
246 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:39:38pm

Keith Olberman said tonight that the only thing this TV movie has in common with reality is that the title has the word 9/11 in it and the actual events took place on 9/11.

A moment later he said that he had not yet seen the film.

247 kateca  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:41:13pm

Just tuned in to C-BS's "Five Years Later, How Safe Are We?".

The first thing I learned was that most muslim's are peaceful.

Now I'm learning about Chicago's surveiliance system...cool. But I have a feeling that later in the show I'm going to hear some very bad news about what the United States is doing wrong. It's just a hunch,,,

248 Mike C.  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:42:47pm

# 227 C G

More like a gnat in the room, I'd say. Annoying, but irrelevant.

249 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:43:13pm

#246 Ringo the Gringo

The only thing Olberman has in common with a actually red blooded male is his name has "man" in it.

Weasely little shit.

250 hithere  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:43:26pm

Why is the DNC so upset? Well one reason is that OBL plays a big part in their '06 strategy. The front page of the DNC website features Howard Dean's comments.

The truth is that the Republicans look increasingly incompetent in defending our nation. [snip] Osama bin laden is still at large. [snip] The Democrats want a new direction in our defense policy. We want to fight the war on terror. That means capturing or killing Osama bin laden,

ABC's spotlighting of the Clinton administration's failure to deal with OBL doesn't fit with Dean's, or the dems, message.

251 tradewind  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:43:40pm

#235,

It's just karma; when the WTC was first attacked, Bubba didn't bother to make the trip up to NYC to inspect the site or meet with any of the victims. Too few of 'em to make a good photo op, he figured, and he had more pressing matters waiting under on her knees his desk back at the Oval...

252 mich-again  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:44:45pm

Keith Olberman? Who really cares what he thinks or says or does. His high-dive into radical liberalism is a last ditch effort to hold onto one last bit of relevance.

Dude got his big break being Chris Berman's jockstrap sniffing protege.

Who.Gives.A.Fuck.What.He.Thinks.

253 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:44:53pm

# 242 Occam's Beard

A modest proposal: show the Path to 9/11, and Fahrenheit 9/11, back to back (i.e., on successive days).


Most of those folks are Marxists. They believe in having a monopoly of power for themselves over everything. They simply won't accept your proposal and will denounce you as an enemy of the collective.

And your idea makes too much sense anyway.

254 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:45:30pm

#238 NY Nana

If Lieberman does indeed defeat Lamont, what a rebuke of the BDS wing of the Democratic Party this would be, especially given all of the negative polls on the Iraq War and the Administration's handling of same.
One wonders if the Dems would accept Lieberman back into the fold, if he desires this, or if he would merely be a proxy Dem with an (I) after his name.

255 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:46:30pm

The local nutroots where I live are trying to get it pulled from the local ABC affiliate:
Ask WCVB Not to Air The 9/11 Lies and Distortions

WCVB is the local ABC affliate here in Boston. Because ABC/Disney will not pull the plug on the lies and misrepresentations in its upcoming 2 part docudrama, "The Path To 9/11," I propose we flood WCVB with requests not to air the show. The media blitz surrounding this entirely flawed show has been centered around right wing nuts and lunatics (Rush Limbaugh gives the movie two thumbs up!). For those of you who haven't heard, the show more or less tries to pin 9/11 on Clinton. [...]
256 Amalie  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:46:39pm

Bluff and bluster...

What do they have to counteract this documentary? An aspirin factory bombing?

257 tradewind  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:47:24pm

#248, Mike,

It's Hard Out There for A Troll
They just don't make 'em like they used to, dammit.

258 hithere  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:47:51pm

#247

Just tuned in to C-BS's "Five Years Later, How Safe Are We?".

I'd Rather watch, "Two Years Later, How Fake (but accurate) Are We?

259 neocon hippie  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:47:53pm

Meanwhile, VDH hit it out of the park with his latest column:


It's Fascism -- And It's Islamic

260 Amalie  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:47:54pm

BTW...

Hello you DU nitwits... the more you try to shut this down, the more attention you are going to garner..

Now I think I might actually watch it..

261 littlemissmuffit  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:49:12pm

Sorry, but I just read this and haven't had the time to read everything but why do they not have a link directly to Disney? I would have e-mailed Disney straight away in my support of Path to 9/11 but I guess they would like to censor the e-mails first. Just a guess. Go figure.

262 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:49:36pm

# 254 solomonpanting

One wonders if the Dems would accept Lieberman back into the fold,


That would be the rational and decent thing to do. My money says no bleeping way.

263 jbinnout  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:50:53pm

#247 kateca

ding..ding..ding on the money. Just had some blond with heavy accent over in Afganistan proving how we have actually created more terrorists and are far less safe.

I was screaming BS! You stupid bitch!

...and now I feel better.

264 Mike C.  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:51:09pm

# 257 tradewind

Ain't it the truth ? My favorites are the 5 posts and out type. You know, the ones that go screaming up into the air and then explode ? Wasn't there one of those just a week or two back ?

265 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:51:12pm

249 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)


The only thing Olberman has in common with a actually red blooded male is his name has "man" in it.

Weasely little shit.

Oooo! Thrashing Keith Olberman!
And it's Kragar by a TKO.
:=>

266 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:51:49pm

# 260 Amalie

Now I think I might actually watch it..


Golly, I'm going to have to hookup the VCR and tape it off the air.

267 unionrepublican  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:52:54pm

let's close Gitmo with a bang (instant sunshine) via a botched Muslim jihadi break out via canoe.

My response would be swift for both Terhan (sp) and Pollynotgonnawannalive here much longer, DRNK

a counter strike in Mecca and Medina was foiled 'cept for some nasty chemical fallout...

finally i'd tune into Katie Coochie for the rundown

268 Canadian Guy  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:57:33pm
the execs spent their holiday weekend behind closed door meetings and revamped their ad campaign. But at the end of their mad scramble, they found only a handful of changes they could make and still be true to the events. The changes are done only to appease the Clinton team - to be able to say they made changes.

I've obtained the changes the ABC execs made to appease the Clintonites.

CIA Field Officer: Mamoud?

Northern Alliance War Lord: Yes.

CIA: Look in your binoculars at 11 o'clock. I think that's bin Laden.

Warlord: Sweet Allah.

CIA: Hold your fire. I have to get confirmation from the White House. (Hits speed dial on satellite phone)

Operator: White House

CIA: Yes, put me through to Sandy Berger.

Operator: One moment please

CIA: I'm on hold

Warlord: That's a nice phone.

CIA: Yes. Made in America by hard working Americans who have plenty of manufacturing jobs and a booming economy.

Warlord: I see. I have stock in that phone company.

CIA: Yes and you should with the NASDAQ at 11,000.

Warlord: Yes these are good times in America.

CIA: Yes, because Democrats keep America safe and we have a plan to kill terrorists.

Warlord: Yes i agree. And while you are tough on terrorists you do not alienate your allies.

CIA: That is right.

269 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:58:19pm

Now I'm dying to see what they don't want us to see.

Friggin' idiots

270 Mike C.  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 7:58:28pm

A good one from the guys at Power Line.

271 hithere  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:03:46pm

#262

The Dems seem to be doing a remake of "North by Northwest", retitling it "Left by Liberal Left", with Joe Lieberman in Cary Grant's role as an innocent pro-war liberal caught up in a web of political intrigue. Picture Joe in a desolate field being bombarded by pesticide. He escapes by running ... as an independent.

272 tradewind  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:05:34pm

#264 Mike,

I've been mostly awol for the past week or ten days (just no stomach for reading the increasingly disheartening/disgusting stuff coming out of Lebanon/Israel), but I just bet we did.

I wrote the Boston ABC affiliate (linked above a while back) sympathizing with the fact that they would undoubtedly take much flak for their programming decision re the 9-11 docudrama, but I had one word for them :
COURAGE.
(Uh-oh, given the media's attention span, I wonder if they've already forgotten his signoff.. woulda been so much better if this were CBS).

273 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:06:12pm

This just in...more "immigrant" bomb makers.

A DarkTurn for a Danish City

On Wednesday, a day after the Danish police foiled what they called the worst terrorist plot in the history of the country, Odense, the birthplace of Hans Christian Andersen, was grappling with its overnight transformation from a fairy-tale capital into an alleged hotbed of Islamic radicalism.

Danish investigators said that a sting operation carried out Tuesday had uncovered chemicals used to make bombs, with unspecified locations in Denmark the likely targets.

Troels Oerting Joergensen, a senior Danish intelligence official, said the police had seized chemicals, computers, telephones and CD-ROMs during the operation in Odense - Denmark's third largest city - during which nine suspects were arrested.

"We have raided 12 places and we have seized a huge amount of effects," he told the Danish Broadcasting Corporation, known as DR. "There actually also are chemical objects that we need to look at."

The police said two of the nine men were held Wednesday under suspicion of plotting to carry out a bomb attack on Danish soil, while five others would remain in custody for up 72 hours, after which they would be charged or released. Two others were released Tuesday.

"We're pretty satisfied that we have been able to get the main suspects jailed," Joergensen told DR.

The Danish authorities have not identified the suspects, but described them as mainly Danish citizens from immigrant backgrounds, aged 18 to 33. One was a convert to Islam.


Read the full article

274 blackpajamas  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:08:24pm

Cognitive dissonace...

...like when Jimmah kicks the bucket, and Democrats wring their hands and wail, "Oooh! Where are all the mourners!? Why was Reagan's funeral so well attended? Why aren't there masses of people stopping their cars on the highway to salute the hearse as it drives by? And why are the people that are stopping willingly throwing themselves into oncoming traffic to urinate on the procession?"

I don't think we've begun to plumb the depths of Democrats dissonance.

275 kateca  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:08:46pm

Oops there it is:

America's darling Katie Couric summing it up in her question to the President: "Some say US policy has created terrorists worldwide, that our policies have created terrorists..."

276 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:09:25pm

Corrrection: "mainly Danish citizens from immigrant backgrounds"
bomb-makers

277 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:13:14pm

Insommnia...1:13 eastern time.

278 Salem  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:13:39pm

Okay, at my signal, nobody blink for 28 minutes.

Aaaand NOW!...

279 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:14:04pm

#254 Solomon Panting

If Lieberman does indeed defeat Lamont, what a rebuke of the BDS wing of the Democratic Party this would be, especially given all of the negative polls on the Iraq War and the Administration's handling of same.
One wonders if the Dems would accept Lieberman back into the fold, if he desires this, or if he would merely be a proxy Dem with an (I) after his name.

I hope that he does, indeed. Here is an article re the demonrats who already deserted him...I cannot see any way that he would return to them, or that they would accept him back. Maybe he will wake up and declare himself a Republican if he is re-elected as and Independent?

This, from al-NYT. should show just what they do to anyone who dares leave...Lieberman Returns as Media Magnet and Party Pariah

280 gymnast  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:15:06pm

#274, black pajamas. Riddle this. Why will Jimmah Carter need only 2 pall bearers?

281 Adrenalyn  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:22:22pm

um, were these people upset when ABC let Ted Koppel run a trip to Vietnam to interview the villagers and now ex-VietCong fighters during the 2004 election cycle ?

were these people upset when Michael Moore made his fake-u-mentary during the same period

ditto for the CBS fake guard memo story

do they complain that almost every NBC episode of "law and order" runs an anti Bush tinge/taint

ditto for almost every CBS and NBC "drama"

let's not start me up on MTV either
or CNN or the other nets in their biases towards left candidates

282 gymnast  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:24:33pm

Stumped eh? How many handles on a garbage can?

283 Tasty Beverage  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:26:42pm

#247 kateca

Now I'm learning about Chicago's surveiliance system...cool.

Huh? Can you elaborate on that?

Are local authorities admitting that they're monitoring Jihad Central?

(Yes, the mosque is not technically in Chicago, but it's the jihadi hub for the Chicagoland area)

284 Tasty Beverage  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:30:15pm

Hey gymnast

Last night I had a discussion about the term "shitbird", discussing how I admired it and giving credit to you for bringing it to my attention, and another poster stated that "shitbird" was a long-time epithet used by the military. Did you get it from military service or contact from someone who served? I also suggested that you might have come up with it on your own, being the witty guy you are.

285 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:30:30pm

#272 tradewind: I've e-mailed WCVB asking them not to give in to left-wing calls for censoring the program.

286 useless  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:44:22pm

Ya know, I don't want any presentatin to be slanted one way or the other. I want it to be honest. Is that too much to ask? I don't care who it indicts, as long as it is presenting facts. Not theory, not some bullshit they make up because they hate this president or that president. Just look at the facts, give us an honest representation, and let us make our own damn conclusions.

287 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:44:35pm

#279 NY Nana

Lieberman Poll

288 gymnast  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:51:21pm

#284, Tasty Beverage. I cannot claim credit for this term but must credit the instructors who were Marines and PLC members that were my instructors at the Hyde Park YMCA in the 1950s. The term referred to self selected inferior human material that had a low probability of ever "getting with the program" or "shaping up". Shitbirds were a liability in a world where survival required performance excellence to achieve high goals.

289 Tasty Beverage  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:56:45pm

#288 gymnast

The term referred to self selected inferior human material that had a low probability of ever "getting with the program" or "shaping up". Shitbirds were a liability in a world where survival required performance excellence to achieve high goals.

Oh man, they taught you well. Look at the definition provided by imploder:

But where I worked in the military for twenty years, a shitbird is someone that is lazy, rides the system, never gets qualified, and eventually sues the Air Force and gets a life long pension for two years of whining and complaining.

So it all makes sense now. :)

290 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 8:58:20pm

#287 solomonpanting

Thanks for that! I am somewhat heartened to see the results from Quinnipiac. They really are good.

And the election is 2 months away...a lot can happen.

I have to go to sleep in case our daughter and son in law need us to help with our almost-9 day old first grandson! If we go to Brooklyn in the AM, the traffic is wicked, but he is well worth the trip! :)

G'nite, all.

291 Catttt  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 9:03:45pm

290 NY Nana

:) Congrats!

292 solomonpanting  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 9:04:32pm

290 NY Nana

What a cutie. G'nite.

293 really grumpy big dog johnson  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 9:11:23pm

I'm late to this thread.

Those people might be ghastly, but I live and work and deal with them on a daily basis.

My one strong recommendation: Don't feed them. You'll never get rid of them if you do.

I'm sounding the warning before you make that fatal mistake. They may look harmless, but they'll empty your bank account in a heartbeat if they have the chance.

Welcome to AmerAsia! And you thought they lived there, did you?

294 NY Nana  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 9:21:52pm

#291 Cattt

Thanks! He has 2 girl cousins (4 and 6) who happen to be our granddaughters :), and they would take him home to either LI or NJ in a nano-second. Luckily they cannot reach over the steering wheel!

#292 solomonpanting.

Thanks! I have to agree, being totally impartial. *cough**cough*

Here is a great post from Atlas, before I go to sleep.


Just Released - Upcoming 2008 Democratic Convention Agenda

6:00 p.m. - Opening flag burning ceremony.

6:05 p.m. - Opening secular prayers by Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton

6:30 p.m. - Anti-war concert by Barbra Streisand.

6:40 p.m. - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

7:00 p.m. - Tribute theme to France.

7:10 p.m. - Collect offerings for al-Zawahri defense fund.

7:25 p.m. - Tribute theme to Germany.

7:45 p.m. - Anti-war rally (Moderated by Michael Moore)

8:25 p.m. - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

8:30 p.m. - Terrorist appeasement workshop.

9:30.p.m. - * Intermission *

10:00.p.m. - Posting the Iraqi Colors by Sean Penn and Tim Robbins

10:10 p.m. - Re-enactment of Kerry's fake medal toss.

10:20.p.m. - Cameo by Dean 'Yeeearrrg!'

10:30 p.m. - Abortion demonstration by N.A.R.A.L.

10:40 p.m. - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

10:50 p.m. - Pledge of allegiance to the UN.

11:00 p.m. - Multiple gay marriage ceremony (threesomes, mixed and same sex). Followed by a presentation by the polygamists in Utah


11:15 p.m. - Maximizing Welfare workshop.

11:30 p.m. - 'Free Saddam' pep rally.

11:59 p.m. - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

12:00 p.m. - Nomination of democratic candidate.

Any chance we could get Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home?

295 raidergirl  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 9:28:56pm

Evening all, did any of you read the Michelle Malkin Hotair story on chris matthews? Please tell me he did not approve of the guy calling for the killing of President Bush! Hoping that was a mirage! Damn, talk about going off the deep end, and ya'll make fun of me!

296 Apu Pibat  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 9:46:39pm

So "The Path to 9/11" is nothing more than a Repuke hit-piece put out just in time for the 2006 midterms...

but crazy conspiracy theories about Bush orchestrating 9/11 are "speaking truth to power".

That might make sense to me if I were a liberal or had brain damage (oops, I'm sorry, that was redundant).

And these are the same people who cried "censorship" and "McCarthyism" when CBS axed "The Reagans".

Scrath a liberal, find a facist.

297 gymnast  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 9:48:18pm

#289, Tasty Beverage. Imploder has it right. various adjectives can be used to enhance the term. "Slackjawed snotnosed shitbird" for instance is just another descriptor for a kid who hangs around a shopping center dreaming of becoming an X-Games Champion. A left winged snot nosed shitbird is a liberal college student. And so forth.

A clankbird is a shitbird which flies in ever decreasing concentric circles until it flies up its own asshole, producing the distinctive sound of the clankbird fulfilling it's own self destruction. This term is used by Naval and Marine aviators on occasion to describe someone exhibiting self destructive behavior that will eventually solve a problem that grates on others.

298 Tasty Beverage  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 10:05:26pm

#297 gymnast

various adjectives can be used to enhance the term. "Slackjawed snotnosed shitbird" for instance is just another descriptor for a kid who hangs around a shopping center dreaming of becoming an X-Games Champion. A left winged snot nosed shitbird is a liberal college student. And so forth.

A clankbird is a shitbird which flies in ever decreasing concentric circles until it flies up its own asshole, producing the distinctive sound of the clankbird fulfilling it's own self destruction. This term is used by Naval and Marine aviators on occasion to describe someone exhibiting self destructive behavior that will eventually solve a problem that grates on others.

ROTFLMAO!

I have to remember "clankbird".

Thanks, gymnast. That was hilarious.

299 somaking  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 10:07:25pm

They *so* want to silence any opposing viewpoints.

Just like, hmmm. Oh yeah. Commies!

300 mmkay76  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 10:09:02pm

Well, it's a good thing libs are up at arms, because we all know which party the TV industry is behind...

301 IndianTiger  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 10:18:45pm

#297 gymnast

Hahahahahah... hilarious!

302 ouray  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 10:29:24pm

#153 Patrizio

(Richard Clarke, Sandy Berger) Notice both are borderline criminal in their past and recent behavior

Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents is criminal behavior, nothing borderline about it.

Would be interesting to know what comments were on the copies that were destroyed.

303 extrabob  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 10:39:09pm

#106 Brent
"I wonder if they have an explanation for the non-attack on Bin Laden's farm, stopped because of a swingset in the surveillance shots." End result: Bin Laden lived to plot and carry out 9/11, because of Clinton's fear of collateral damage.

I'll bet there were swingsets in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, too. Bombs away! End result: no insurgents when we occupied Japan after the war, because they were BEATEN, and they knew we would and could destroy every city in Japan if necessary. They got over it... today the Japanese Prime Minister parties at Graceland with our President. They have no thoughts of revenge... they wouldn't DARE, because they already know what could happen if they attacked us again. We haven't won a war since 1945. Today we're losing the war against insurgents in Iraq because of Bush's fear of collateral damage. Today when there's collateral damage, our soldiers & Marines get tried for murder, because for the last 60 years we have worshiped at the altar of "no collateral damage." If we lose NYC and DC things will change.

We need another Harry Truman, the last wartime President with a pair of balls.

/donning flame-proof boxers

304 Mountain Soldier  Wed, Sep 6, 2006 10:45:54pm

Funny, you didn't hear the democrats calling for Dan Rather's and CBS's heads during the Memogate scandal right before the election in 2004. That was truly a political assassination attempt, and not a peep from them.

Now a mini-series comes out recounting the events leading up to 9/11 that shows the pitfalls of the Democrats and Republicans, and now the Democratic party is calling for censorship. It's amazing the hypocrisy. Not a word on the proven fake documents, but now they're in an uproar over this. Wow.

305 Tugboat706  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 12:39:09am

Most of that letter is so absurd that it is undeserving of a response. I would however like to point out that as an amateur radio operator, I am "loaned the airwaves" as a "public trust"... The broadcast networks PAY to license a section of the EM spectrum. They have, within the law, all the right in the world to say whatever they want. Apparently the dems don't like 1st amendment rights when they disagree with what's said. Hrm. Sounds redundant to say that.

306 Blackacre  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 1:30:37am
Tom McMahon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee

I'm still wondering whether Howard Dean hired Michael Moore to write this tripe. It is, unfortunately, another sign that the Democratic Party is no longer a serious or sober actor in American politics. The inmates have taken over the asylum.

307 judithet  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 1:39:01am

Hadn't planned on watching--now I definitely will.

308 JAT  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 2:05:18am

Can anyone say Michael Moore? I guess it was OK for his lies to be broadcast - because they were anti-Bush!

I hope the network has the balls to air this mini series.

Clinton lied and Americans died!

309 Ledger1  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 2:21:29am

Tom McMahon is a true DNC shill with the Willies. He can't handle the truth and his MSM friends are jumping from the sinking DNC ship.

His little note is saying, “I am horrified at the truth! Please help me suppress the truth! Don't let the people know!

310 gemma  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 2:24:25am

You know they're just doing what all us right wingers did when Michael Moore released Farenheit 911 - since that movie portrayed our President in a bad light --

Oh. Wait. We didn't do that did we.

Never mind. . . .

311 carridine  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 2:57:24am

#63- Mama, Thank you, Ma'am.

#70- Kragar, right on the mark! "Republican" or neo-conservatives or neocons or ANYBODY who doesn't bark at the moon like ME, is wrong, ignorant, stupid and so shifty and clever that they can pull off an inside job like 9/11!

(All at the same time, stoopid Bushitler clever-like-a-fox)

(rolls eyes, sighs)

Now to review posts from 80 to 310

312 daughter of patriots  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 3:01:10am

Good morning, a little OT. Be careful with your coffee mug. Here's a bit of right wing, republican humor brought to you by VW's politically-incorrect marketing dept. Islamist splodeydope meets German engineering. Enjoy.

313 sloggin420[deleted]  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 3:22:06am
314 tantraman  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 3:33:09am

13 March 2002:


Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that?

THE PRESIDENT: I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you... And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.

315 Ghost  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 3:35:42am

The right should have made a similar fuss over Fahrenheit 911. At least they should have been all over the news shows, pointing out falsehoods in the film. Instead they stayed quiet, and millions all over the world believe that it showed the truth. The left is much, much better at public relations than the right is.

316 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 3:43:37am

Like I said, Bill and Hillary and the rest of the Clintonistas will do everything they can to put a stop to this. How can an stadard alphabet channel, usually counted on to front for the DNC, possibly do this?!?!

Clinton's legacy is more important than 3000 lives.

317 Greg  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 3:58:16am

ABC must have some of the truth in there about Slick Willie's reign and his asleep at the switch way of operating in relation to Islamofascism...

That is why DU types are going nuts...

I do not normally watch ABC television but think I will watch the series now out of spite..

0/T I see A'Dinnerjacket and Hugo are coming to town on Drudge...we got a chance for a two-fer if we get the Rovian Weather Machine and Time Displacement Integrator focused on these dime-store Hitlers...

318 tantraman  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 3:58:28am

Umm, sorry to break this to you, but ABC has admitted that the series is a dramatisation - not an accurate depiction of the truth.

Even Mark Coffey admits that near enough is not good enough when dealing with 9/11:

Again, the partisan aspect interests me not at all; this is 9/11, and ‘reasonably accurate’ isn’t good enough. Either go completely fiction or stick to the facts. This sounds an awful lot like the Dan Rather excuse for the National Guard fiasco (that the essence of the story was true, even if the details were fabricated), and I’m not interested in this sort of clever parsing of words.

But then again, most Americans think Saddam was behind 9/11 and are clueless that the majority of hijackers were Saudis.

319 dwainj  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:02:19am

If I Tivo the show on both of my machines, will I count as two families of viewers.

For once, I wish ABC well, and I hope most of the country tunes in.

320 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:05:17am

318 tantraman

But then again, most Americans think Saddam was behind 9/11 and are clueless that the majority of hijackers were Saudis.

They do?

That's news to me. Most American's realize Saddam as a threat with possible ties to 9/11, but understand that Osama Bin Laden and his disciples (who were from Saudi Arabia and other places) were responsible for the operation.

The left just like to twist and point fingers and take virtually everything out of context so they can say “look how stupid you are” and then feel self-righteously superior about it all.

321 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:08:38am

#318 tantraman,

But then again, most Americans think Saddam was behind 9/11 and are clueless that the majority of hijackers were Saudis.

Typical L3 comment with the insinuation that most Americans aren't bright enough to see the truth and the libs must situate the historical record to adjust for their malfunction.

Face it. Clinton's reign was a farce with an overblown tech boom as it's only real claim to fame that later proved to be as big a charade as Clinton's worthless cabinet made up of thieves, cowards, sycophants, and brotherly liars. Dims can dish it but can't take it when the criticism starts to fly - another common L3 trait.

When you post that Michael Moore's 9/11 is a bald-faced lie, then maybe we can have an honest dialogue.

322 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:09:14am

I heard that this upcoming 9/11 show is really harsh on Madeleine Albright.

IMO - Ms. Albright and Sandy Berger both deserve some harsh criticism and scrutiny. The left are just sooo not used to a television show that might make democrats look bad. 99.99999% of the time the television is ued to make Rethuglicans look bad.

323 Terp Mole  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:10:22am

Why not use the Dem link for lizardoid purposes? Here's my edit of their boilerplate;

Mr. Iger,

"The Path to 9/11" upholds the truth and honors the memory of 9/11 victims by exposing the Democrats cheap, callous cover-up of their role leading up to the attacks. It responsibly represents the facts and discloses the truth as documented by the 9/11 Commission Report.

This film is a balanced attempt to understand the history of September 11 and the undeniable role of Democrats leading up to the attacks, just in time for people to make electoral decisions about their poor leadership. Thank you for honoring the trust the public has given you with our public airwaves by accuratey depicting the facts leading up to 9/11.

Respectfully,

[insert Lizardoid minion]

Enough of us responding should effectively prick their propaganda ballon.

324 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:10:27am

#312 that was awesome!

Over on Drudge Bubba came out and said something to the effect of "that's so wrong and you need to pull it off the air until it's fixed up just right - or else now - ya hear"... Guess the left can't stand it when they get the same treatment they've been dishing out...

325 funkyfantom  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:11:15am

#171 JustmyView

Check out this link

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

to see the REAL story about
the Clinton team's response to Al Qaeda attacks.

326 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:14:13am

312 -

LOL! Like the scarf. boom.

327 sven10077  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:18:56am

Mullah Zogby Speaks!

You can always count on Mullah Zogby to trot out a poll saying "STOP!" whenever Bush gets his eyes back on the ball as concerns the war on Islamofascism. I don't recall Al-NYT or Rueters going into Germany polling the "Joe Average Nazi regular schmoe" and publishing their findings calling on us to "alter our path and increase Nazi goodwill towards the US" during WW2. Mullah Zogby you are >-< this close to getting a nomination for Idiotarian of the Year from me.

328 400lb gorilla  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:25:48am

That’s false. “The Path to 9/11” is actually a bald-faced attempt to slander Democrats and revise history right before Americans vote in a major election.

HMMM But Dan Rather's Reporting during Rathergate stated that the information was real even if the document was fake?

Which fantasyland do these people want to live in.

329 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:37:38am

#327 sven10077,

Mullah Zogby

Haw haw! Great one.

Here's the red herring from the article complete with flashing red lights; what a crock of shiite:

What had changed minds? Three words: war in Iraq. Very few Muslims bought the U.S. need to go to war and most believed the war would lead to less, not more, democracy in Iraq and the region.

Do Mullah and the Muslims actually want the American public to believe that Uday Hussein was on the verge of a freedom epiphany? The L3 becomes more farcical by the day.

331 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:39:58am

LOL. Their intelligence on the matter is the result of "crack research".

I'll bet.

332 sven10077  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 4:44:10am

#329 Goodbye-Natalie,

Zogby is like a machine of wishful thinking in polling. I went nuts on his methodology back during the elections, and it makes me feel somewhat safer about Novemeber that he was one of the people calling "Landslide". With his batting average on accuracy I'll probably wake up happy on wedensday.

Al-NYT the day after a WW2 Zogby poll in the op/ed...

Further our polling data shows that the German people had a generally favorable view of the United States prior to 7 Dec, 1941 and their goodwill plummeted on Jun. 7, 1944...clearly what is needed here is the United States acting as an "Honest Broker" between Russia, the UK, and 'so-called Nazi' Germany...


They live in candyland.

333 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:00:17am

#317 Greg

My old man always told me "You know you've really hurt a Democrat when you hear the whining."

Hitting hard at the permanently entrenched mythology of "St. Clinton, The Holy Man from Hope, Who Loved Too Much" is like taking a shot at Jesus for these people. When you challenge anybody's religion, you get an ugly response.

Not that it's easy to differentiate between "ugly response" and "normal noise output" from the lefties.

334 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:01:06am

Forgot to add: No offense intended to sensible Democrats (I know there are at least a few posting here at lgf).

335 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:16:41am

Their evidence that the ABC production is factually wrong is that Sandy Berger says so? The same guy who secreted documents in his socks and walked out? And was caught doing it on security cameras? That Sandy Berger is their witness?!

336 Buck  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:25:37am

IMO Path to 9/11 is the mirror image to Fahrenheit 9/11.

A lot of drama, and a lot of denial, and very little actual truth.

I could make a movie blaming 9/11 on Carter if I wanted to, but it would not be totally accurate.

Path will be Hollywood, and not fact based.

ANY LIZARD that goes to the bank for this movie will, IMO, get burned by the "false but accurate" label we hate so much.

337 Owl  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:30:05am
Which fantasyland do these people want to live in


The one where anything that proves them wrong is a lie, and any lie that proves them right is the truth.

The bible says that right will be wrong and wrong right or something close to that. The democrats, leftists, and islamonazis are doing their best to fulfill Biblical prophecy, and they're doing a darn fine job at it.

338 Egfrow  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:30:25am

Remember! Remember! The 11th of September!

339 Owl  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:34:56am

sensible Democrats


Sorry, but wouldn't that make them...uhmm...well, maybe not republicans...but at least conservatives and how can you be a conservative and still remain a democrat? I mean...I guess you can...but if you're a sensible democrat I consider you a conservative...


ok, so that's my long drawn out way of saying that's kinda like an oxymoron or something eh?
But don't get me wrong - if you're on Liberty's side, I'll be more than happy to shake your hand and buy you dinner. :)

340 TMF  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:37:26am

LOL tantradousche is in a snit

You and your band of losers will lose again

Hilarious

341 uncle_monkey  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:37:30am

#312 daughter of patriots

Thanks! Nice to come here and actually start with a laugh.

342 bolivar  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:40:28am

This show would be the first I have watched ABC for months. They have nothing I care to waste my time on and this show just might be worth staying up for. I will tape it too so I can savor it later...that is provided Bubba doesn't queer it up!

343 big L  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:43:48am

290- ny nana- AWWW- waht a great photo.
Makes my morning. This kid is why we have to push back.

344 dgd  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:44:59am

My guess is ABC will pull "Path" just to keep peace in the family.

345 Egfrow  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:45:08am

Remember, remember the 11th of September,
Democratic Treason and Plot,
I see no reason why the Democratic treason
should ever be forgot.

346 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:45:36am

I wonder if the moonbats realize that by making a huge deal about this, people will now check out the movie out of curiousity.

347 KG  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:51:16am

Conyers is jumping on this bandwagon! Yipee! Being from Michigan, thankfully outside his district, I can guarantee that there is no one in Washington more qualified to convince the average American that Democrats must be kept out of power than Conyers!

The only thing is that conservatives need to sharpen up about shining the spotlight full force on the freak every time he opens his mouth. As pathetic as DUers and KOSkids are they can only hope to aspire to the standards of lunacy established over decades by Conyers.

And along with shinning that spot light the public needs to be reminded that due to seniority Conyers is at the head of the line to be a major player if Dems win in November. Now there's a scary thought.

348 bluebonnet  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 5:59:15am

We intelligient people already know the truth. Which is why I chose to turn from a die-hard Democrate to a Republican.

The Dems just keep going further and further down that toilet!

349 Egfrow  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 6:04:36am
Use the Democrats complaint form to show your support of ABC.

350 j-damn  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 6:55:07am
IMO - Ms. Albright and Sandy Berger both deserve some harsh criticism and scrutiny military trial, conviction for treason and death by hanging.


Fixed it for you.

351 NY Nana  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 7:11:04am

#323 terp mole

Thanks! Re emailing Mr. Iger, I did a search and found his email:

Robert.Iger@disney.com

Safer than going through the dhummies, IMHO, where they can get info on you.


#343 big L

Thank you...and so is every kid in this country both born and yet to be. I have 2 grandaughters. The 6-year old was born before and the 4 year old, like her 9-day old cousin, were born after. They will never know what 'before' was like.

352 Xenobyte  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 7:40:31am

It's really this simple: We need to prevent democrats (or anyone else) from pulling the US out of the war on terror, which includes the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. We need an administration that will continue the current operations and expand the war to include Iran and other regions where terror and anti-western values are openly promoted. It is absolutely nessesary to make a stand and to make it in such a firm and razor sharp manner that all the uncivilized retards (aka. muslims) will know that 'resistance is futile' and that they will 'be assimilated' (to use some Hollywood cliche phrases) into the open highly civilized western culture where they will find all the happiness their brainwashed sorry excuse for a religion never can deliver.

353 gm33  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 10:49:27am

#314 tantraman, post the whole quote next time, not a cherry picked portion of it...

Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There's going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We're tough, we're strong, they're well-equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means.

354 squeegy  Thu, Sep 7, 2006 1:21:24pm

What has me completely aghast is that there are people who will still vote for them.


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