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Fri, Sep 8, 2006 at 8:12:37 am PDT

Here’s a piece by Andrew Kantor at USA Today that’s embarrassingly amateurish, for someone trying to accuse me of being amateurish: Technology empowers amateur journalism for better or worse. (Hat tip: davesax.)

Take the blog that exposed those Reuters/Adnan Hajj photos — Little Green Footballs (LGF). It’s written by a Web designer from California named Charles Johnson.

Johnson took offense to a column by Greg Mitchell, the editor of Editor & Publisher magazine, in which Mitchell decried the baseless attacks on war photographers after the Hajj affair.

So Johnson went from using his technology toolbox like a pro to using it like an amateur. He dug up an article Mitchell wrote in 2003 in which Mitchell admitted that — more than 30 years ago — he faked some quotes while working for a local newspaper in Niagara Falls.

Mitchell was clearly embarrassed — it went against his professional ethics enough that 30 years later he told the story. But what was Johnson’s take? He claimed it as proof that Mitchell had “first-hand experience with staging news.”

Calling it “staging news” or saying Mitchell “faked a news story” was a bit off the deep end, and neither accusation would have gotten by a professional editor. But Johnson isn’t a professional. He’s just a guy with a toolbox. He had great success using it, helping to expose the faked Bush National Guard memos, as well as those Adnan Hajj photos.

But he mistook having a well-worn set of professional tools with being equivalent to a well-followed set of pro principles.

Some points in reply:

1) I did not “dig up” the article by Mitchell, as Kantor could easily have discovered if he followed the link in my post to Confederate Yankee, who actually did “dig up” the article. Kantor’s “well-followed set of pro principles” apparently doesn’t include checking to see if his statements are, you know, accurate.

2) Kantor says that fabricating quotes from nonexistent people does not constitute faking news, and the accusation wouldn’t have “gotten by a professional editor.” Excuse me? Faking news is not faking news? Is that supposed to make sense? Kantor’s statement is interesting primarily because it reveals that he apparently doesn’t believe that faking quotes rises to the level of “faking news.”

3) To complete the disingenuous smear job, Kantor does not even mention that after the article by Greg Mitchell came to the attention of the blogosphere, someone (Mitchell?) sneakily went back and rewrote sections of it to make him appear less guilty. That must be Kantor’s “well-followed set of pro principles” in action again.

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1 loppyd  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:15:15am

He gives a whole new meaning to fake, but accurate.

The double standard is alive and well with the LLL MSM.

2 greenmamba  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:15:30am

... just enjoying watching the MSM twisting in the breeze ...

3 Earl  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:15:33am

"Accuracy? What's accuracy got to do with the news?"

/MSM editor

4 NoSubmission  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:16:04am

USA Today is old media.

5 Americain  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:16:05am

Go get 'em Charles!

What a loser Andrew Kantor is.

6 Black George Bush  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:16:21am

Well Charles I guess he's trying to say that youre not qualified to engage in "fake but accurate journalisim" or "fauxtography".

7 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:17:03am

There are hacks, and there are professional hacks.

This punk from McPaper is definitely the latter.

8 Powderfinger  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:17:10am

Tell it to Dan Rather, Andy. I'm sure he'd love to hear it.

9 NiceLass  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:17:40am

Kind of ironic how "just a guy with a toolbox" is leading the charge so very successfully...isn't it?

10 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:18:23am

.

a well-followed set of pro principles.

TRANSLATION:

journalists don't tell to the common Reader that other journalists fake the news...

"pro principles", I have found in my life, usually means MOB RULES

11 TalkinKamel  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:18:29am

USA Today is the most amateurish newspaper in existence.

All the news about movie stars you never wanted to know about.

12 rick mcginnis  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:18:36am
Kantor says that fabricating quotes from nonexistent people does not constitute faking news, and the accusation wouldn’t have “gotten by a professional editor.”

Tell that to Stephen Glass and the New Republic.

13 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:18:37am

Real journalists cover each others asses.

14 David2  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:18:39am

What a joke. When will they begin to get it.

15 gymnast  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:18:58am

Journalism is the only "profession" that makes politicians look ethical in comparison, and whores appear as angels when mentioned in the same breath.

16 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:19:36am

Guy with toolbox and lizardoid minions doesn't need no steenkin' professional editor.

Good on ya, Charles. You struck a nerve.

17 AMER1CAN  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:19:49am

USA Today got shook!

18 gopninja  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:19:59am

WOW I hope he reads this, he just got destroyed.

19 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:20:07am

And the only thing that USA Today does professionally is PROFESSIONAL (LIBERAL) PROPAGANDA.

20 Fiery Red XIII  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:20:09am

Remember, the news isn't about facts, it's about fame and fortune! That's why the goremongers do what they do!

Red

21 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:20:10am

Speaking of hacks, it appears the Clintons has much more than one opportunity to capture Osama.

Not going to believe this:

When we were going to capture Osama bin Laden, for example, the lawyers were more concerned with bin Laden‘s safety and his comfort than they were with the officers charged with capturing him. We had to build an ergonomically designed chair to put him in, special comfort in terms of how he was shackled into the chair. They even worried about what kind of tape to gag him with so it wouldn‘t irritate his beard. The lawyers are the bane of the intelligence community.

Malkin has a great roundup of this whole affair.

22 Ellen  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:20:56am

Oh brother what a lame article. If this is as good as the MSM can do they ought to just hang it up.

I live for the day when the Charles Johnson chair for media studies is established at the Columbia School of Journalism. If I ever get rich, I will endow it just to them scream...bwahahahaha!

23 realwest  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:21:08am

#1 {loppyd} - Morning to ya. You said: "The double standard is alive and well with the LLL MSM."
And I hate to say it, but that's not true. The LLL MSM have NO standards, single, double or triple whatsover.
I also love Kantor's line: "But he mistook having a well-worn set of professional tools with being equivalent to a well-followed set of pro principles."
Well I wouldn' know about well worn; Charles still uses his professional tools to nail the "professional" tools in the LLL MSM, and, as I said above there are no "pro principals" in evidence in the LLL MSM today.

24 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:22:13am

#10 Poitiers-Lepanto

"pro principles", I have found in my life, usually means MOB RULES

I have also seen it as code for the iron fist of the dominant gang in a closed society.

25 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:22:33am

Don't get saucy with me, Bearnaise.

26 RuSwmRun  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:23:21am

Does anyone even read USA Today? I think their circulation is high because every hotel in America gives it away with their continental breakfast - but it's a vapid newspaper, with vapid scriveners.

27 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:23:31am

Charles opens the toolbox and lays a giant hammer upside this clown's head.

28 Powderfinger  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:23:32am

Look who's blogging!

29 loppyd  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:23:44am

21 JammieWearingFool

Good Morning.

Makes you wonder even more about what documents Sandy Burglar stuffed down his undies...

30 bianchi_roadie  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:24:15am

Unlike doctors, lawyers and other professions that have oversight boards, the only thing that seperates "professional journalists" from everyone else is myths. Ethics and principles are hollow if there is no body enforcing them. So journalists go out of their way to defend each other in order to enforce the myth.

From the article, I learned that the myth of "journalistic principles" are better than any work a guy with researching skills and a network. Gee, that's a way to gain trust.

31 Edouard  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:24:25am

Kantor's article is a jaw-dropper. Does he really want to expose himself as such a patently arrogant idiot?

This is one subject about which he'd have been far better off shutting up than stepping into it.

I would really like to see Kantor respond to the three points above. Also I would like to see him prove that "attacks on war photographers" are "baseless" rather than just declare it.

32 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:24:44am

Nothing you say is true until you get a degree in Journalism.

33 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:25:04am

What a, um, tool...

34 realwest  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:25:19am

#28 Powderfinger - Oh My! So many targets, so little time!

35 louis  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:25:47am

Excuse me, faking news gets by professional editors all the time. Has Kantor never heard of Steven Glass, Mike Barnicle, Patricia Smith and Jayson Blair?

36 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:25:59am

Never mind, Charles. This tool doesn't even have a decent grasp of the English language. "Took offense to"? It's took offense at, you silly booger. But this is a typical solecism among today's semi-educated "professsional" classes.

37 loppyd  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:26:08am

Is that a real picture on his blog?

38 Spiny Norman  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:26:17am

Pure irony, coming from USA Today, America's premier outlet for cheesy "factoid" news, barely above the level of National Enquirer.

39 truthhunter  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:26:23am

I love how Kantor cannot even get the facts straight in his own article. It makes me wonder if he has ever read the thread in question, or did he write this article based on heresay from his whining collegues lamenting the fact they are now called out on their poor journalistic - dare I say - amateur standards.

I think the real problem for these journalists is that many of those who run blogs, such as Charles at LGF are simply smarter and better informed than even your above average journalist. We all know it just burns them to constantly get slapped around for poor, sloppy, propagandist reporting. Now, let's see the cream rise to the top! As blogs like LGF have greater exposure, reporters will only be forced to do a better job or be exposed for the shills many have become.

40 johnCV  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:26:32am

An MSM 'journalist' using inaccurate information to defend another MSM 'journalist' who was caught faking the news.

Hunh.

Color me stunned.

41 Sean II  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:26:39am

OT: ROP strikes again:

Twin Explosions Kill 31 in India

42 tedzilla99  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:26:41am

If there's one thing the drive-by media [thanks Rush] can do well, it's circle the wagons. Amazing.

43 Quilly Mammoth  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:26:54am

"Pro": Often used by certain subcultures as slang for Prostitute. As in "I booked that Pro for public fakery".

44 Pope Insouciance IV  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:27:07am

If you tried to heal people like a doctor you would probably fail.
If you tried to argue a case in court like a lawyer, you would probably fail.
If you tried to design a building like an architect, you would probably fail.
But if you tried to do a better job of reporting the news than USA Today, you'd not only succeed, you'd beat their pants off.

Journalism is a profession. Yeah, right.

On a good day, even the regulars at LGF beat them at grammar and spelling.

45 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:27:18am

This is why everyone needs to get to the polls on Nov. 7th and vote Republican (even if in some cases you have to hold your nose).

If the Dems manage to take the House and Senate, you know damn well they're going to go after the blogosphere, and try to reinstate the "Fairness Doctrine", to silence talk radio.

46 loppyd  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:27:30am

35 louis

Excuse me, faking news gets by professional editors all the time. Has Kantor never heard of Steven Glass, Mike Barnicle, Patricia Smith and Jayson Blair?

I loathe Mike Barnicle. Talk about a pompous a**...

47 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:27:34am

And "pro principles"?

I just snorted coffee through my nose.

48 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:27:35am
But Johnson isn’t a professional. He’s just a guy with a toolbox. He had great success using it, helping to expose the faked Bush National Guard memos, as well as those Adnan Hajj photos.

Smells like jealousy.

49 WriterMom  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:27:36am

#28 Powderfinger

LOL. Did you read the part about the "Not In My Name" T-shirts?

What a jerk. Never mind the other crappy posts about BUSH IS LIKE SOOO STUPID. RUMSFELD IS SOOO DUMB.

50 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:27:52am

Readers can comment here

Hack away.

51 realwest  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:28:09am

#15 gymnast - I'd be ROTFLMAO if it weren't so true.

52 earth56  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:28:32am

#32 ringo

One must go to the Joe McCarthy School of Journalism to to be accepted unto the higher standards of Journalism today

53 gbl  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:28:33am

Amateurish? Well Kantor should look at his own website then. [Link: www.kantor.com...]

Some real gems like "Keith Olbermann’s wonderful commentary on Rumsfeld", "Washington Post catches Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld in" (think this pro left the rest of the headline out), "Welcome to Wisconsin" (sex with corpse story -- I guess it's all Wisconsin's fault now),

Kantor: "A difference between bloggers and the mainstream media: The mainstream media has editors to say, “Oh, please.”"

What Kantor fails to recognize is that what ever Charles or any other blogger puts up on a site is immediately reviewed, facts checked, etc. by hundreds of "editors" not just one.

54 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:28:55am

An old PR maxim -

Any publicity is publicity.

When such critique is directed at LGF, more people see LGF. More people are aware of LGF. As they read LGF, they can then judge events for themselves.

55 lastofourkind  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:29:27am

Charles, loving every second of it,you are really getting under their skins!Heres to you buddy,i just hope this is as much fun to you as it is to us. Heres to Charles gulp belch hic...

56 Geepers  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:29:33am

To the dead we owe only the truth

Guess what the "truth" is?

And guess which word goes entirely unmentioned?

57 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:30:06am

Heh. The tool quotes Mitchell on his blog, saying in his rerevision that he was 21 -- didn't he, in his initial revision, claim that he was only 19?

58 WriterMom  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:30:09am
just a guy with a toolbox

ROFL laughing.

More like A BIG LIZARD CARPENTER with a phantasmagorical central Zionist BushchimpyMcHitler army of lizards behind him.

59 wargammer2005  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:30:43am

#52 earth56

care to explan that comment about Joe?

(Joe McCarthy was a hero. he saved this nation from communism in his time)

60 Murqtaad  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:31:07am

But Johnson isn’t a professional.

Seems like a pro to me... at least he does a better job than the so-called pros.

I smell some jealousy.

You must be pushing all the right buttons, Charles.

61 Goodbye_natalie  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:31:11am

USA Today

The Andrew Sullivan/People Magazine/National Enquirer/Nickel Advertisement of Record.

Hey, I think that Kantor blog is really going to take off. He's got an average of one comment or so per post; probably a cut and paste from Momma.

We ought to go over and help him out.

62 Joel  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:31:17am

USA Today has long been a hot bed of left wing columnists and editors.

63 DoctorDentons  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:31:23am

This from a "Newspaper" that is given away in every Hotel and Motel in order to "truly" establish readership numbers.

64 Sol Roth  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:31:32am

I swear this is symptomatic of an industry that's seeing its "professionals" lose their jobs on a daily basis due to the "amateurs" with a computer. Maybe it's because the "amateurs" aren't ensconced in a shielded Marxist collective that protects its own. Maybe it's because bloggers take more risk and relish the plague-killing sunshine of Truth and Facts.

Professional Journalist = Jobless. It' fear, pure and simple.

65 Racer-X  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:31:44am

So... If I were to start creating a bunch of fake quotes and attributed them to Kantor, do you think he would have a problem with that?

66 johnCV  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:32:05am

I have found that most 'journalists' are not especially bright or curious people, at least no more than an average person.
They do however, have a decided lack of historic knowledge and they are very ideologically driven.

In essence, they may be biased but they sure are ignorant.

67 loppyd  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:32:06am

Need I say more?

VERIZON: NSA reporting inaccurate


USA Today last week reported that AT&T, BellSouth and Verizon all provided massive amounts of data regarding domestic phone calls, including originating and terminating numbers and the length of calls, to the NSA for the purposes of data mining to detect calling patterns that could identify terrorist activity.

Verizon's denial of that report comes a day after BellSouth made a similar denial. Asked if his company would join the denial chorus, an AT&T spokesman said today AT&T would say nothing beyond its previous statement that it acted strictly within the law and would not comment further on national security matters.

68 viahj  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:32:19am

I guess that Charles and other "bloggers" just have to simply accept the fact that the "real" jounalists will never accept them into the club.

1. bloggers probably don't have a swanky jounalist degree from some insepid cess pool of a liberal college
2. real jounalists toe the democratic party line, no matter what.
3. real jounalists work together to create an utopian socialist world government.

/LLL

and we're not buying it anymore, nor your newspapers BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

69 prospero  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:32:36am

This apparently got by a professional editor:

But he mistook having a well-worn set of professional tools with being equivalent to a well-followed set of pro principles.

Eh?

70 el brujo  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:32:54am

"Andrew Kantor is a technology writer, pundit, and know-it-all who covers technology"

anyone knows what kind of education background is associated with this?

71 Spiny Norman  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:33:29am

#54 karmic_inquisitor

An old PR maxim -

Any publicity is publicity.

There is no such thing as bad publicity, eh? The first time this happened was when some knuckleheads at Metafilter launched a "de-linking" campaign against LGF, hoping Charles would then disappear, never to be heard from again. It may have been the first time anti-LGF efforts backfired in a big way, but certainly not the last.

72 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:33:31am

Sorry if this has been posted already:

Andrew Kantor's blog:

[Link: www.kantor.com...]

73 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:33:39am

#63 DoctorDentons

I always turn down free newspapers when they're offered to me.

74 tangonine  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:33:53am

USA today isn't fit to line a birdcage with.

75 Joel  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:33:57am

British writer Melanie Phillips in an interview said her three favorite blogs were LGF, Pwoerline and The Daily Ablution.

76 AG in Houston  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:34:15am

It's a disturbing trend that the News providers (LGF, NYT, ABC, Etc.) are the main story and not the news reported (Islamic Fascism, Porkbusters, election, Etc.)

77 pegcity  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:34:19am

The Dinasour media is going into fits and convulsions. It will probably end up dead on the toilet like elvis

78 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:34:29am

I wonder if he's related to Mickey Kantor, from the BJ Clinton administration.

79 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:34:36am

From Kantor's blog, responding to this here thread:

Not that my opinion means anything. About 22 years ago, I cheated on a Latin test in high school. (Thanks, Kathy Yi, for not covering your paper.) By LGF’s logic, I guess I’m an untrustworthy sinner.

But LGF’s “logic” gets better. The next Big Scoop? When it was pointed out that Mitchell got his dates wrong (he originally wrote 1967 instead of 1969), E&P corrected the article and put a note to that effect.

Where any normal person would say, “Oh, it corrected a mistake,” in LGF’s world that’s a conspiracy and a scoop.

After the blogosphere picked up on his 2003 article revealing that he faked a news story while working at the Niagara Gazette, the editor of Editor and Publisher, Greg Mitchell (or someone covering for him), apparently went in and edited the 3-year old article to make him look less guilty...

1. He didn’t “fake a news story.” He made up some quotes about what people thought of the falls.

2. Nice spin, there: “Make him look less guilty.” What a crock. The guy was admitting that he made up quotes as a young reporter on a silly feature story. Correcting the date doesn’t make him look more or less anything. Unless, that is, you’re on a witch hunt.

A difference between bloggers and the mainstream media: The mainstream media has editors to say, “Oh, please.”

80 KG  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:34:38am

They are just so pathetic. I've seen more self discipline from grossly spoiled children.

But they just can't help pointing and screaming "bully" when they get a well justified pop in the nose for having told lies.

It doesn't matter to them that it ultimately just increases your exposure and hence increases (even if just marginally) the number of people that catch on to using alternative sources for news. They can't actually muster enough self discipline to think -- they just see red.

So congrats and thanks for making another one of the pathetic losers cry.

81 loppyd  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:34:51am

Hi {Joel}.

I've missed you! :D

82 lastofourkind  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:34:52am

#56
yeah i just cant take those freaks over at koz today,my head hurts. pitiful isnt it they really are a strange lot;judgemental and petty. jeez i need a shower.

83 brent  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:34:58am

The reason these cats get so touchy about bloggers is that the technology puts their old audience on the same level as them.

That means that they're now in the unenviable position of writing for people that can write back, uncensored. That gets especially embarrassing when their audience is better informed than they.

It also makes being stupid and or biased hard to hide.

It's a new day, you all ready?

84 Owl  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:35:02am

I have never understood the left's favorite tactic...


they accuse other people of the very thing they are guilty of.


it's about as good as a QB sneak on 4th down and 30 yds to go these days.

We are not fooled.


Good job Charles - you know you're doing something right, when crap like this gets published!

85 tronman  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:36:17am

Eh, "screw them"...

Their a bunch of whiners and liberal tools.

86 Paul  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:36:26am

Professional journalists, the graduates of prestigous colleges, are not overly bright and have proven their inability (or even desire) to report the news fairly or accurately.

And they hate competition.

87 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:36:32am

Kantor is also a photographer!

His pix of puppies, toys and (eww) a housefly:

[Link: www.kantor.com...]

No wonder he sympathizes with Adnan Hajj. It's the toys!

88 WarBicycle  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:36:36am

#63 DoctorDentons

They give away free newspapers because readership is down; otherwise, they would forced to reduce the cost of advertising.

89 Joel  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:36:38am

81 {loppyd}
Hi and I missed you too! I hope all is well in Fat Rich Kid land aka Massachussetts.

90 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:36:47am

Now this putz is going to whine and snivel that Charles has sent his Attacks Dogs of the Giant Toolbox upon him.

He will fail to see the error of his ways, and cry about being abused.

91 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:36:54am

He-he he-he

He said tool box

/beavis

92 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:37:24am

#73 Ward

I always turn down free newspapers when they're offered to me.

I do most, but I enjoy Creative Loafing... (not for news, though)

93 SaneInMN  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:37:47am

Two things I loathe when traveling by air is being insulted by CNN at every fricking gate, and waking up to USA Today at my hotel doorstep.

94 lastofourkind  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:38:01am

...not a professional...
I'd take that as a compliment Charles;just look at the "professionals"...snotty little toad.

95 Geepers  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:38:11am

Powderfinger (#28),

From your link to Kantor's blog:

Not that my opinion means anything. About 22 years ago, I cheated on a Latin test in high school. (Thanks, Kathy Yi, for not covering your paper.) By LGF’s logic, I guess I’m an untrustworthy sinner.

No it makes you pretentious, self-important and lame for even playing the game of putting words into others mouths.


Little Green Footballs takes one step back

Greg Mitchell, editor of Editor & Publisher: In 1969, when I was 21, I faked some quotes while working for a small newspaper in Niagara falls.

Little Green Footballs: See! That proves he can’t be trusted!

And is there any better way to garner professional gravitas than by using multiple exclamations points?

96 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:38:20am

#79 Chicken Kiev

Cheated on a high school Latin test? YAWN. What an elitist snob he is.

97 tangonine  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:38:21am

But... the old media is becoming more and more irrelevant every day:

NYT stock performance over the last 2 years

98 hailing frequencies open  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:38:22am

#39 truthhunter

I think the real problem for these journalists is that many of those who run blogs, such as Charles at LGF are simply smarter and better informed than even your above average journalist.

I've found that, in general, those who aren't smart enough to major in Education generally head toward J-school.

Those smart enough to major in Education, in general, aren't smart enough.

99 Spider Mensch  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:38:36am

There hasn't been a decent paper since the old "Dailey Planet"..tough old Perry White editor in chief, Lois Lane #1 reporter, Jimmy Olsen best damn cub reporter going, and that tall guy with the goofy glasses.. Clark something or another...wait, that wasn't real?..comic book characters?...ah well..they were still better than the current group at USA Today...

100 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:38:53am

Joe McCarthy was a hero.

Oh, please.

101 Joel  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:38:53am

#93 SaneInMN
Man I know what you mean about being assaulted by CNN at airports! Jay Nordlinger of National Review proposed CNN free areas at airports.

102 Mentat  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:38:57am
Dogs don't bark at parked cars! Keep up the good work, Charles.
103 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:39:20am
104 lastofourkind  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:39:36am

Charles "scoop" Johnson reporting...

105 mattm  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:40:03am

They just can't stand it when other honestly debate them. They hate it when they are forced out of their own little world.

106 gymnast  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:40:18am

#51, Realwest. This Kantor "journalist" couldn't crack a 5 on the troll scale on a good day. I doubt if he knows the difference between a dodobird and a shitbird without looking in the mirror. Perhaps he needs to refresh his memory on the meaning of the word "obvious"?

107 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:40:46am

Fake but Accurate.

108 pegcity  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:40:55am

Thats right liberals bring more attention to charles LGF's and the blogs. Keep reminding people how biased they are so they are forced to see it for themselves.

109 Spiny Norman  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:41:11am

#96 Ward Cleaver

#79 Chicken Kiev

Cheated on a high school Latin test? YAWN. What an elitist snob he is.

I never cheated on anything in school. Ever. Does that make me a chump in Andrew Kantor's world?

110 bweep  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:41:14am

#77 pegcity

The Dinasour media is going into fits and convulsions. It will probably end up dead on the toilet like elvis

They produce some of their best output when they're on the toilet.

111 mrsoc  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:41:16am

Just posted the following comment/question

"You are joking, right? You don’t really think making up quotes is OK? Nah, yer pulling my leg. Or maybe you’re so damned out of touch with reality that you really believe it.
Jeeze."
I truly am not sure which it is. But if he actually believes it is ok to do that then why isn't he selling shoes?

112 earth56  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:41:21am

#59 wargammer2005

The far left has been trying to squelch anything that criticizes their platform lately.( example is the showing of 9/11 documentary on ABC this sunday)

They are the new McCartheists. I don't like Commies any more than you but Joes rabidness went just a little too far

113 johnCV  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:41:27am

Just a point of history here.

Didn't the lefty journalists viciously attack Ben Domenich (of Red Stae fame) when the Wapo hired him for thier online blog? They went on a hunt and found he had plagerized some college movie review for the school paper. He admitted his faults, but they wanted him castrated and run off the planet because he had violated 'scared jouranistic trust' and could never be taken seriously again. Many right-of center bloggers agreed that it was unethical and he should resign for his infractions. He was immediately terminated form the WaPo.

This is different how? Oh yeah - he was a brilliant writer who could eviscerate a liberal with skill and logic and humor.
They were the ones being made to look like fools.

114 Powderfinger  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:41:32am

Hey, Mr. Non-Professional? Aren't you the co-founder and Chief Technology Officer of an international media concern?

So much for fact checking. Bwaaahahahahaaa!

Accuracy über alles!

115 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:41:36am

Morning, tfk!

116 uncle_monkey  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:41:38am

A waste of good pixels.

117 Owl  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:42:44am

responses to his post on his blog -


Paul says:
You might want to have a look at LGF, Andy. They’ve responded to your account. And tell me, why did Reuters fire Adnan Hajj? And why is Editor and Publisher editing 3 year old articles with no notice? Is that kosher, journalistically speaking?

September 8th, 2006 at 11:26 AM
c... says:
“1. He didn’t “fake a news story.” He made up some quotes about what people thought of the falls.”

Uh, dude, read that comment again...slowly. Do you see what’s wrong with it? Okay, you’re a bit slow, so let me explain. The STORY was about WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT OF THE FALLS, and some/all of the quotes were fabricated. THEREFORE, it was a faked news story. Get it?

September 8th, 2006 at 11:39 AM
Shr_Nfr says:
You are right. You should have had an editor to say to your blog: “Oh, please.”

September 8th, 2006 at 11:39 AM
Dora says:
Greg, you sound like a charlesophobe? He and his “lizard minions” have changed news reporting for the better. Check it out and take time to read some of the comments. Be careful though, it may inspire you to think a second time.

September 8th, 2006 at 11:42 AM
dee says:
You are joking, right? You don’t really think making up quotes is OK? Nah, yer pulling my leg. Or maybe you’re so damned out of touch with reality that you really believe it.
Jeeze.

September 8th, 2006 at 11:44 AM

i have but one thing to say ...

BWaaahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

118 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:42:48am

#79

Whenever a lefty establishment news person uses the phrase "witch hunt"... I get all nauseated. So tired.

Hey Charles, Kantor is essentially comparing you to...
(wait for it) the most evil man to ever walk the earth...
Joe McCarthy! Fact finding is now called – Witch hunting.

119 loppyd  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:42:53am

89 Joel

FRK Land is great. Did you see this?

Romney bars state security for Iranian's Harvard visit.

Mitt is the man!

Dems running for Gov. had their primary last night...I saw some highlights this morning. Me thinks the stooge AG Reilly is toast. That leaves the two billionaires.

120 Joel  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:44:57am

119 {loppyd}
Yes I saw that. Romney is great and that is one Bay Stater I could support for national office. ROmney or Rudy G. would be fine with me. I actually might be in Boston in November.

121 Intestinal Fortitude  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:45:04am

Don't sweat this shit Charles. USA Yesterday thinks you need to be a card carrying member of the journalist club to be relevant? Well, we see what kind of dis-information they give the American people. There's no more fact in the media these days, it's all scandal, explosions, and drama. Truth doesn't sell the rag.

122 lastofourkind  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:45:15am

I had to read it again to feel the angst,the frustration,the overall immasculated tone to his transparent blustering..dude has the rubber ball in his mouth already,too funny!

123 rastajenk  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:46:22am

I gotcher tool box right here. :-)

124 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:47:09am

Just another union employee getting upset because his job is being done better by somebody out in the free enterprise system where results are what matters and not merely punching the clock.

125 Miggie  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:47:13am

Those in the right are thrice armed!

Kantor doesn't know who he is attacking.

126 pegcity  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:47:56am

so If charles wrote for some university newspaper hed be a real journalist.

Charles you need to get it, unless its on paper its not journalism, you need to print up some posters and plaster them on lightposts.

You can potentially reach 8 or 9 people a week.

Thats real progressive journalism.

127 Berserker  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:48:03am

This is from the wonderful folks at Time magazine.

Headline: From Housewife to Outspoken "Jersey Girl"

Teaser: She recently spoke to TIME's Kathleen Kingsbury on why the U.S. isn't safer five years after September 11, 2001, what we should do about it and why Ann Coulter isn't helping.

4th question - the leading one that actually adresses it: TIME: So what you're saying is that homeland security is no better off than it was five years ago?

KB: Sure, we are a little bit safer.

Maybe she should have read her own story before making up the teaser.

128 loppyd  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:48:03am

120 Joel

I think Romney has what it takes...he's been a breat of fresh air up here in Moonbat Land.

You better get in touch with me if you end up coming!

129 Spiny Norman  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:48:46am

#113 johnCV

Just a point of history here.

Didn't the lefty journalists viciously attack Ben Domenich...?

Someone should ask this pompous Kantor fool if he knows who Domenich was, and what happened to his career?

130 BH  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:49:31am

Hey, kids: Let's leave free speech in the hands of the professionals. They know how to use it for the greater good.

/

131 Wumpus Hunter  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:50:56am

#41, please be careful with that axe Eugene, it cuts both ways.

If you read the article from your link it seems the Muslems were blowed up by the Hindus this time.

COnfirmation bias is a dangerous thing.

132 Joel  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:51:24am

128 loppyd
You will be the first (and only) person I will look up.

133 pegcity  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:51:41am

Little green footballs has been selected for re education, everyone please report to the closet brain detention center.

Dear god, dont let Hillary become president, i dont think id like the Internet under Saudi/Nork control.

134 scorched earth 138  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:52:20am

Kantor...a name like Kantor... oh man I hope this guy isn't a journalistic KAPO...

135 Adrenalyn  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:52:24am

good points Charles


now we have the phrase

"speak truth to media"

to counter the loonies'

"speak truth to power"

136 lastofourkind  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:53:00am

#133
dude your bringing me down lol

137 Geepers  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:53:03am

Go read his blog. All lame, all the time.

He praises the journalist genius of Keith Olbermann no less

Keith Olbermann’s wonderful commentary on Rumsfeld

And he changed his mail notifier to Steve Irwin saying: "Oh Cricky", how uber hip if that?

138 BH  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:53:07am

#131 Wumpus Hunter

Perhaps those muslims should look deep within themselves and ask why they are hated?

Yup, by golly, that's a double-edged axe, alright.

139 liberality  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:53:21am

I gotta tell you bro, you are hyper sensitive. The guy wrot ethis:

"But Johnson isn't a professional. He's just a guy with a toolbox. He had great success using it, helping to expose the faked Bush National Guard memos, as well as those Adnan Hajj photos."

i.e., he's giving you credit for your work. And you call that a "smear job?" Heat, kitchen, etc.

140 pegcity  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:53:56am
How about spare a tree, leave the news to the blogs
141 Joel  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:54:00am

{loppyd}
I saw Netanyahu on Hannity & Colmes the other night and Colmes said some crap about Khatami being a "moderate" and Netanyahu deadpanned (paraphrasing) "It is scary to think that in comparison with the rest of the Iranians he is a moderate."

142 leofl  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:54:37am

Charles,

They are just pissed because you do the job that they are supposed to be doing.

They don't have to like you but they have to respect you. We do

Leo

143 beyerku  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:55:12am

This is the death rattle of the old media. "Your not as good as us because we are 'professionals.' Right...

144 lastofourkind  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:56:15am

#139
yes...but thats not the whole article.

145 pegcity  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:57:14am
143 beyerku 9/8/2006 08:55AM PDT
This is the death rattle of the old media. "Your not as good as us because we are 'professionals.' Right...

What is a professional Journo, i wrote for my university newspaper, does that make me a proper journo?

146 frankp_63  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:57:45am

You have to wonder if Kantor isn't some interm being set up by the more "experienced" hacks who know he's going to get fried for his lame effort.

I'm curious about the "toolbox" reference. I'm guessing but it sounds like this clown really meant "toolkit" and is trying to paint Charles as some kind of script kiddie who knows nothing about technology except how to use tools
written by presumably other, "wiser" techies. But Kantor sounds like he couldn't even cut it with the kiddies.

It used to be grating to listen to MSM journalists condescend to new media. After Lebanon, it's no longer grating, it's pathetic.

147 grayp  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 6:59:08am

#63 Doctor Dentons

This from a "Newspaper" that is given away in every Hotel and Motel in order to "truly" establish readership numbers.

Um, no. The audit bureau of circulation uses only papers that are paid for, IIRC.

I used to work at USA Today. I was there during the first Gulf war. And I've worked at another establishment that fielded reporters/journalists.

I cannot think of one exception - if they aren't just generally dumb, they're arrogant beyond measure.

~~~waves to Goodbye_natalie

148 Windhorse  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:00:53am

Charles, the key difference between you and Kantor is that your toolbox is full. His is glaringly empty...

And further, you know how to use those tools.

Something Kantor will never grasp.

Nice try Kantor... now run along and play in the street.

149 realwest  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:02:36am

#103 taxfreekiller - Hey TFK - good morning to you. Nicely written piece. But wasn't there something somewhere about "behold a Pale Horse, and upon him Sat Death, and Hell came after him."?
Just seems appropriate in light of your post.

150 scorched earth 138  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:02:54am

For the record, I'd trust a guy with a toolbox with my life LONG before I would one with a steno notebook, tape recorder, and digital camera...

151 louis  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:03:31am

#46 loppyd

Even after being revealed as a fraud and a coat holder for both the Bulgers and the Kennedys, Barnicle is still a favorite of the media types (e.g. Imus, Tim Russert) which shows that there are no journalistic ethical standards. I loathe him too.

152 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:03:31am

I believe this Cantor knows more about journalism...

153 3 wood  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:03:57am
But Johnson isn’t a professional. He’s just a guy with a toolbox.

...and he is running rings around you "professionals" and showing what biased hacks you truly are.

Keep it up and watch your readership drop and your revenues dry up. One of these days you will be asking "just a guy with a toolbox" for a job.

Folks, the MSM is commiting career suicide before your eyes.

154 MrBill  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:04:01am

I commented on Kantor's site, as did a number of other lizardoids.

I urge everyone else to contribute their opinion to this pathetic, pouting little boy.

155 HeatherRadish  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:04:17am

Amateur basketball is better than professional basketball.

Every city in American has local amateur muscians who are better than the Processed Entertainment Product offered up by MTV.

It's often argued that open-source (amateur) Linux is better than Windoze.

What's the big deal about Charles outshining "professional journalists"? This isn't really unique...

156 Geepers  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:04:55am

From the ever so witty Kantor Quotes section:


I hope you die a slow, horrible, lonely death, and that your entire family is killed on the way to your funeral.

©Andrew C. Kantor

This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License.

157 realwest  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:05:37am

#147 grayp - Morning to you! How long were you stuck at worked for USA TODAY? Were they as bad then as they are now?

158 On the Mark  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:06:34am

It's always interesting to note how the facts stack up on the right, and the fiction is on the left. Maybe this explains why so many who create fiction for a living are leftists. The truth is simply not good enough for them as it doesn't fit their view of how things "should be."

159 be the meat  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:06:35am

More direct, factual confrontations with the MSM is what we need.

The blogosphere is still generally derided by the MSM but it is making inroads and it's influence is unavoidable.

I predict that within the next 3 years we will see the group of heavyweight blogs emerge as a definitive force in politics. And here's the difference...

Whereas reporters are paid by their employers, blogs are self sustaining, they are supported by the readership (leads to advertising revenue) and nothing more. Adherents represent definite "chunks" of the population. The chain of accesiblitly is much more direct and also includes the reality of true "citizen journalists" ala Zombie. The dinos can't compete with this organic flow. Doesn't mean that lines won't be drawn, but it does mean that the lines will be drawn in a more clear fashion, allowing the average person to pick and choose.

The DYNASTIC flow model of "news" as we know it is being incrementally undermined, its foundations weakend. The ultimate result of this dynamic shifting will be the slow motion collapse of the "old school" media, concomitant with the rise and gradual broadening of how the "news" is presented.

160 bweep  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:07:41am

Doesn't all news ultimately come from everyday people? Isn't it supposed to be eye witness accounts of people who happened to be there? Isn't all of it, including the whole political world, just something that arises from the masses?
Why is Charles or anybody else less qualified to enter the fray than a journalist? Do they think they're like high priests or something? No wonder they sympathise with the mullahs.

161 grayp  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:08:26am

realwest, I was there for 3 years. As a software developer. In that department, the people were wonderful and I had a terrific time. I just got bored w/the publishing business and figured telecom was going to be exciting.

And I got to become acquainted w/Cathy Black who is awesome.

162 carridine  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:09:43am

On-thread: The Baha'i writings state specifically that we are to avoid 'the prostitution of art and literature', for our personal, professional and social benefit.

(cf. "Advent of Divine Justice", pp. 25-27)

163 MrBill  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:09:59am

You learn something new every day...

I had always thought that the USA Today was left at my Holiday Inn doorstep so that I could wipe my muddy shoes!

Do people actually read that nonsense?

164 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:11:02am

Making up quotes is wrong. Mitchell has had the decency (according to Kantor) to be embarassed over what he did long ago. Kantor does not improve the reputation of American print journalism by trying to excuse the behavior.

165 realwest  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:12:02am

#161 grayp - um, pardon my ignorance, but who is Cathy Black?

166 be the meat  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:12:27am

Fox news pundit describing in detail the "gooble bomb" process being used by Democrats as I write this.

Bubblin' up...

167 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:13:02am

#139 liberality

And you call that a "smear job?"

I call it "damning with faint praise."

A smear job is what you do with your magic nose goblins.

168 SpartanWoman  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:13:53am
#13 Peacekeeper 9/8/2006 08:18AM PDT
Real journalists cover each others asses.

Isn't that the point of this "Circling the wagons" around the guilty?

Charles has too much integrity to engage in these tactics and it's clearly getting to them. If any of them had a shred of decency they'd quit the CYA and do some of the work Charles and other bloggers have...but they'll never clean their own house while there is so much to gain by altering reality to fit an agenda.

God Bless You, Charles!

169 Promethea  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:14:21am

#39 truthhunter . . .

I think the real problem for these journalists is that many of those who run blogs, such as Charles at LGF are simply smarter and better informed than even your above average journalist. We all know it just burns them to constantly get slapped around for poor, sloppy, propagandist reporting. Now, let's see the cream rise to the top!

You nailed it. Journalism is not a career that requires any knowledge or expertise. Now these second-rate glib half-educated fools are being exposed in front of thousands of interested news readers, and they don't like it.

170 danger close  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:17:01am
Mitchell was clearly embarrassed

Really? That wans't the tone I got at all. It was more of an arrogant SO? to me.

He had great success using it, helping to expose the faked Bush National Guard memos, as well as those Adnan Hajj photos.

Damnation thy name is "Faint Praise"


Toujours Pret

171 grayp  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:17:26am

Here's the comment I left on his site.

Mr. Kantor, I suggest you try an experiment. Write a story for USA Today in which you use made-up quotes. Then call Jack Kelly and ask him to give you the over/under on how long it will take your editor(s) to drop-kick your butt onto Wilson Blvd.

(Jack Kelly got fired from USA Today for making up quotes - among other things, apparently)

172 MoonbatBane  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:17:38am

#26 RuSwmRun 9/8/2006 08:23AM PDT

Does anyone even read USA Today?

I'll read the sports section if I'm on the road and there is a copy laying around. It's pretty good. Other than that, I might read some other articles just to get a feel for the MSM spin of the day...

173 friarstale  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:20:23am

as a carpenter friend of mine says: "the only difference between an amateur and a professional is the professional gets paid"

he may or may not actually do a better quality job

174 grayp  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:22:19am

realwest

but who is Cathy Black?

She eventually became the publisher, but has since gone on to bigger and better things.
She's now President of Hearst Magazines.

When I was still there Peter Pritchard had published a book on USA Today in which he attributed a quote to her that was hilarious and raunchy. So, I asked her to autograph it. She said, "I'll be happy to, but I never said that."

Never trusted Pritchard after that. (He became the editor - don't know where he is now - maybe still there)

175 3 wood  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:23:45am

Well, well, well. Isn't this interesting. You know how I say sooner or later everything boils down to money? USA today is a division of Gannett Co., Inc. and their stock symbol is GCI. I looked up there stock and lookee here at their 1 year performance! Looks like a down hill ski slope, doesn't it? Per my calculations, they have lost 25.62% in stock value from their 52 week high. Think maybe the mud being thrown is motivated by the pocketbook?

Keep it up Kantor, and you will ruin the place.

176 TS  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:23:57am

3) To complete the disingenuous smear job, Kantor does not even mention that after the article by Greg Mitchell came to the attention of the blogosphere, Mitchell sneakily went back and rewrote sections of it to make himself appear less guilty. That must be Kantor’s “well-followed set of pro principles” in action again.

Oh snap!

177 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:24:42am

Mitchell has already done 2 columns "In Defense of War Photographers". He does think Hajj should've been fired, but he's unhappy with Zombie.

In Defense of War Photographers--Part I

In Defense of War Photographers--Part II

The man has some points, but I'd also like to refer him (and all lizards) to a book I read this year which claims that legendary war photographer Robert Capa staged some of the photos he took during the Spanish Civil War.

The Passionate War by Peter Wyden...Amazon has no reviews, so I'll point you to a negative review in the NYT.

178 Godzilla  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:25:56am

Calling it “staging news” or saying Mitchell “faked a news story” was a bit off the deep end,...


Nope, Andrew. Sounds like spot on to me.

179 akak  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:27:26am

If he excuses the faux news, it makes me wonder if he's created some himself?

180 friarstale  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:29:45am

here it is again, folks,
Hank Williams against staged photos:

181 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:30:12am

You're getting under their skin, Charles. Good going.

182 svjathi  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:34:41am

#131 Wumpus Hunter 9/8/2006 08:50AM PDT

#41, please be careful with that axe Eugene, it cuts both ways.
If you read the article from your link it seems the Muslems were blowed up by the Hindus this time.
COnfirmation bias is a dangerous thing.

I read nothing of the sort. It could very well be the handiwork of a "disgruntled Hindu youth", as the MSM would love to call the RoPers who do it. But it could also be a Sunni-Shia thing, as we had almost simultaneous bombing in Pakistan also. And the fact that it was some Muslim festival adds credence to a Shia-Sunni stuff.

Other than go on a rampage on the streets armed with wooden sticks and swords and butchering anyone with a circumcised penis, I am yet to come across a bombing attack done by Hindus.

So let us wait and see.

183 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:36:55am

Guys (and gals) with toolboxes make the world go 'round.

184 sss111  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:39:16am

Wow! I'm REALLY impressed by all those MSM tools!

Look at the Empire of Truth Shit they've constructed with those tools!

185 MoonbatBane  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:44:30am

#50 JammieWearingFool 9/8/2006 08:27AM PDT

Readers can comment here

Hack away.

I did. Here's my little addition:

Andrew says:

I have to admit I’m surprised. I really didn’t think this many folks would honestly believe that, just because a guy did a stupid, unethical thing in 1969 — made up quotes for a minor feature story — that anything he says 35 years later can’t be trusted.

Could you please quote where Charles Johnson says that “anything he says 35 years later can’t be trusted”? Or is that just a strawman, which is a logical fallacy that should not appear in a professional or even an amateur journalist’s writing?

The focus was as much on his current attitude (”Of course, I got away with it.”) and on E&P’s editting of the story to try to mitigate the damage as it was on the 35 year old fabrication.

(On a purely technical note, Kantor's site does not support HTML, so my quote of Kantor's statement isn't set off in the comments section on his site. Set it off here just to make it clearer. That's not a dig at Kantor's site, just noting why the format is different.)

186 loppyd  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:46:02am

#151 louis

Even after being revealed as a fraud and a coat holder for both the Bulgers and the Kennedys, Barnicle is still a favorite of the media types (e.g. Imus, Tim Russert) which shows that there are no journalistic ethical standards. I loathe him too.

His radio show here in Boston is nauseating...his regular guest hosts are Dan Shaughnessy and Bob Lobell. Two more people I loathe! :D

187 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:49:04am

BREAKING NEWS: ROP Strikes in India

31 Dead, 100 injured

188 alpheus  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:49:30am

I'll trade 20 journalists for just one investigative reporter.

As far as USA Today goes, no one takes that paper seriously. Its a national fish-wrapper.

This guy writes like someone who hasn't seen the inside of a "journalism school."

189 The Albatross  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:49:52am

Charles? I think you're a hell of a journalist and a damn great guy. MSM whiney assed cretins can only hope to have as much moxie in their whole body as you do in your pinkey toe.

MSM talking heads and Op/Ed dead beats can kiss my lily white sassafrass.

190 KG  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:50:48am

Oh my goodness, I just wandered over to his blog and it is everything you'd imagine and more!

He's a computer "gamer", considers himself a "whiz kid," and was obsessed enough with gaming to be associated with a gamer magazine. I've observed the type at game related sites and there is nothing more pathetic than a gaming fanboi (except maybe a KOSKid, but I think there's considerable crossover actually).

Then there's his quote page. That the man (using the word loosely) is actually proud of it says more than anyone else possibly could. It just screams the sort of lack of talent, narcissism, and arrested development you see at a game fanboi forum or KOS.

Personally I'll avoid feeding him beyond this. This attention is undoubtedly making his decade if not life. But his site is seriously good for a laugh.

191 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:50:53am

Actually, it looks like I gt that one backwards: ROP Struck in India

192 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:55:07am

Hey MoonbatBane, I saw you over there. That clown is getting beaten down.

No idea what hit him.

193 3 wood  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:57:55am

So here we have it folks, a glimpse into the twisted mind of the MSM. After being called out for claiming on his blog that Mitchell did not fake the news by making up quotes, Kantor responds with:

Fabricating quotes is not the same as faking news. That doesn’t mean it’s right, or professional, or acceptable — but it’s not “faking news.”

So in his mind, making up quotes in a story about the opinions of people is not "faking news". This, from a supposed "professional journalist" says it all. He honestly can't see it. Kantor, you are a joke.

I would not use USA Today to line the bottom of a bird cage.

194 sss111  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 7:59:38am

39 truthhunter

I think the real problem for these journalists is that many of those who run blogs, such as Charles at LGF are simply smarter and better informed than even your above average journalist.

Much as the multi-culti feel-good everyone-is-equal Left would like it to not be so, there is no substitute for intellectual horsepower, and someone with an F15-engine brain will always cut someone with a lawnmower-engine brain to pieces.

195 NCJeff  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:00:55am

USA Today, the newspaper for people that find broadcast news too complex.

196 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:01:09am
197 sss111  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:01:26am

193 3 wood

I would not use USA Today to line the bottom of a bird cage.

Given out at a lot of hotels, it makes an amusing morning read while sitting on the hotel toilet.

198 grayp  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:02:20am

help! I can't see the link to his quotes page!

anybody?

199 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:04:34am

3 wood,

It's futile trying to get through to such a mindset.

He's too stupid to cut his losses and quit while he's behind.

Speaking of which, I see the 16-year-old girl missed another men's cut.

Shocking, isn't it?

200 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:10:13am

Give 'Em Hell Charles "Scoop" Johnson.

-S-

201 Rune  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:21:10am

Well congratulation to you Charles Johnson! They wouldn't bother if they didn't find you a threat. The more they smear, the more it proves you are doing good and neccesary work. Keep it up!

202 DistantThunder  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:25:07am

When will they learn. They try to take on Charles and LGF and they come away smelling like skunks.

203 biff  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:27:01am

Speaking of the MSM's hypocrisy , I found this piece has an AP reporter discussing the ethics of the release of video of Steve Irwin's death:

204 selpaw  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:27:34am
USA Today Writer Smears LGF

Those who present unmitigated factual truth are the ones who always get kicked for it.


In this world you are far more appreciated being a lying, scheming journalist who plays to the populace out of their own insecurities, agenda and fears then one who has deep down honor and courage.

And look, when writing about Charles/LGF that idiot (and other idiot's) spew the same manipulation and distortions as they do with everything else which does not fit into the fantasy laden photoshoped imagery which flows like diarrhea from their minds to their mouths to the keypad.

This must be a new form of psychiatric illness for a good majority of the world now suffer from it. Not sure what to call it in psychiatric terms but it is certainly serious and downright damning!

Seeing it is impossible to develop an anti-serum for this illness the only thing left is to keep ones honor and integrity by speaking the truth pushing facts which dispute the lies and proving those who miserably distort truth, wrong.

Charles, while on occasion I have not agreed with you, you are by far one of the most honest and truthful human beings on the planet. It has been a great pleasure to know you. In this crazy upside down world we are surely blessed to have someone of your stature and integrity presenting the news of the day.

205 Charles  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:28:11am

For the record, I edited the post above to reflect that I don't know for certain that Mitchell himself edited the piece admitting his journalistic fraud, since the edit was made with no accreditation. But since he's the editor of E & P, and since he wrote the piece in question, it's a pretty reasonable assumption.

206 TMF  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:33:34am

Is this asshole for real?

Are we supposed to take he and his fellow "professionals" seriously now?

If doctors were as incompetent as these guys we'd all be dead by now

207 BabbaZee  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:34:33am

What a maroon!

208 biff  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:37:09am

Speaking of the MSM's hypocrisy , in this piece, an AP reporter discusses the ethics of releasing the video of Steve Irwin's death:

And so the question arises: In the age of instant Web videos, might it get out? And in the broader sense, is making footage of a death public ever justified?


Link

Why does the AP have no such ethical qualms regarding the Hizb'allah parades of death that it so actively promoted and participated in, or the photos of Iraqi street executions that so fortuitously fell into its lap?

209 3 wood  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:37:41am

#199 Jammie

Speaking of which, I see the 16-year-old girl missed another men's cut.

Shocking, isn't it?

Yep, here is Wie's comment:

"I'm still in shock," Wie said. "I didn't know what sport I was playing out there. I woke up on the wrong side of the bed again. I really just couldn't get anything going."

After bogeys on her first two holes Friday, Wie took double-bogey 7s on successive par-5s. Starting her round at the 10th, she hit her third shot into the middle of the lake at the 598-yard 14th.

Then Wie drove out of bounds at the 15th.

Based on her past behaviour, by Monday she will decide all that was her caddy's fault. She is over-swinging, trying to make up for not having even a passable short game. Seriously, I have a better short game than her and I'm not all that good. Wie just can't play at that level.

210 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:39:43am
211 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:39:47am

I looked at Kantor's blog, too. It's an embarassment.

212 Geepers  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:46:05am

ploome,

Andrew Kantor was looking for some attention, so he tries to diss Charles

That's about got it.

213 Dewie  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:54:01am

USA TODAY...isn't that the colourful door mat that appears outside my hotel room every morning. Great to wipe your shoes on...it attracts and holds the mud from my trek through the city.

214 WriterMom  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:58:51am

What ploome said.

215 Catttt  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 8:59:09am

I just realized - Andrew Kantor is the guy on the left in those Mac commecials!

Here's a nice fisking of a piece Mr. Kantor wrote related to Macs - from MacWorld, April 2006. Heh.

Boot Camp, Mac cultists, and Windows salvation

by Jason Snell, April 14, 2006 - This article is a thorough fisking of Mr. Kantor's article. Oh, Mr. Kantor thinks Mac users are "cultists" who need to be "deprogrammed."

Favorite line: Kantor’s piece might be one of the most ridiculous Apple-related articles I’ve read in years.

216 KG  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 9:24:04am

#198 Grayp

The link to Kantor's self proclaimed pearls of wisdom:

http://www.kantor.com/about/quotes.shtml

That he is just so blissfully unaware of what that little collection of his verbal diarrhea and his act of publishing it says about him is just classic.

217 Sprite  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 9:28:57am

While observing the MSM dinosaurs line up and jump into their own tar pit of oblivion, I wondered,

Which dinosaur was the smallest?

Answer: The smallest dinosaurs yet discovered are:
A new, crow-sized theropod, Microraptor was recently found in China. It is about 16 inches (40 cm long) and may be an adult.
Compsognathus, a theropod (meat-eater) 2 feet (60 cm) long, from 145 million years ago. It was the size of a chicken and weighed about 6.5 pounds (3 kg).
Saltopus - a 2 feet (60 cm) long insectivore (insect-eater) from about 200 million years ago.
Lesothosaurus - a 3 feet (90 cm) long, fast running, plant-eater from Africa, 200 million years ago.
Wannanosaurus - a 39 inches (1 m) pachycephalosaur, a plant-eater from China, 83-73 million years ago.
Other small dinosuars include Micropachycephalosaurus, Microcephale, Nanosaurus, Gasparinisaura, Sinosauropteryx, Procompsognathus, Yandangornis, and Bambiraptor.

I'm still fact checking a quote I located 'somewhere' which stated Kantor belonged to that inconsequencial species Bambiraptor.

Great work as always, Charles.

218 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 9:34:19am

Bob Owens at Confederate Yankee has posted an update based on this current thread, and has some additional observations that the so-called professional reporter should heed.

219 Fatal  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 9:39:11am

No time to read the whole thread, but this is just too funny not to post (Come on, doesn't this deserve a thread of its own?)

Per Kantor's blog, Olberman took a swipe at Rumsfeld and led with this sentence:

The man who sees absolutes, where all other men see nuances and shades of meaning, is either a prophet, or a quack.

Uhm, isn't presenting a simple choice between "prophet" or "quack" a textbook example of an "absolute"?

But, if "all other men see nuances and shades of meaning", then the reader is left with only two possible conclusions (another absolute for ya!):

Either Olberman IS Rumsfeld, and thus sees absolutes where all other men see nuances and shades of meaning . . .

OR

Olberman is not a man.

Hmmm . . .?

220 scaryfast  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 9:51:22am

Visitors Online: 5,172
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FROM USA Today Press Kit:

Total Adults: 7.6 million+

Amatuerish Hmmm...

221 MissLL  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 10:06:57am

Charles, I have to say that in my first job as a newspaper reporter several years ago, we wouldn't even have dreamed of making up a quote. It didn't even occur to us. And when one person made a mistake on a story, EVERYONE knew about it and told them. It was a tiny newspaper, and we took pride in trying to get everything right.

Making up a quote vs. faking the news -- what's the difference?

222 Jimmah  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 10:25:02am

"Badmouthing LGF with idiotic self refuting arguments is somewhat satisfying for me, but my real ambition is to suck Osama Bin Laden's cock", said Andrew Kantor, in an interview earlier today with occasional LGF poster Jimmah.

Some of your 'non-faked' news there Mr Kantor - dontcha love it?

223 mardukhai  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 10:28:39am

Reminds me of the time I exposed an AP story by their Cairo correspondent GG LaBelle as, well, based on fake sources, they simply removed the story from their database.

POOF! No fake story, no retraction necessary.

224 grayp  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 10:29:25am

#216 KG

Thanks for the link. He's not too full of himself, is he?

225 Abu Bin Squid  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 11:02:40am

Charles with a beatdown! Mr. Kantor is so jealous of Charles' success that he didn't even read what he wrote. "Pro principles" indeed.

226 Caliphornian  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 11:03:05am

Sorry, Mr. Kantor, but All Your Toolbox Are Belong To Us!

C

227 KG  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 11:14:16am

#224 Grayp

You're welcome!

He's not too full of himself, is he?

That certainly sums him up.

228 Doug  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 11:41:21am
FROM USA Today Press Kit:

Total Adults: 7.6 million+

Amatuerish Hmmm...

That's how many are printed. Doesn't say how many are tossed aside and/or used as toilet paper. I'm guessing about 2/3 are wasted.

229 reader  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 1:43:42pm

He praises Olbermann on his blog. A real intellectual flyweight, for sure.


New research study shows celebrities are born narcissistic, not made that way.

230 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 2:15:05pm

Hoist by the Internet Archive wayback machine!

Bwahahah!

Update: Ed Driscoll notes that the original, unaltered article exists on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.

231 TotallySirius  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 2:21:10pm

Added my 2 cents at the Kantor blog.

:-)

232 TotallySirius  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 2:23:42pm

#228 Doug

Now that number is amateurish,only 7.6 million daily?

Rush Limbaugh gets 50 million plus listeners daily.

USA Today=Rookies.


Bwa hahahahahaha

233 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 2:40:48pm
234 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 2:44:05pm
235 pediomelum  Fri, Sep 8, 2006 4:30:47pm

Charles,

I doubted the wisdom of your original post on this subject when it appeared. USA Today is right on this topic. You never should have brought it up. We all do dumb things we are ninteen. I shudder to think about what could be dredged up about me at age ninteen and unless you aren't a member of the species homo sapien the same is true for you. And if you aren't homo sapien, I want to know your motives in having a blog.

Please, Charles, I want to LGF be respected and your bullshit about Mitchell on his actions when a teenager only brings contempt to this blog.

There is also the matter that when someone publicly confesses a crime to examine how to stop others from committing it, it is NEVER a good to attack them for the original act. We do want there to be some possibility of redemption in our society. And I am correct to use the royal we here as if you exposed your darkest sin in public, you too would agree (unless you are a serial murderer or something similarly dreadful).

236 Charles  Mon, Sep 11, 2006 7:51:00am

pediomelum: You don't seem to care about the continuing sneaky deceptions in that article by Mitchell, or the fact that it's not an apology at all -- noted. You think Kantor is "right" when he says faking quotes is no big deal -- also noted.


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