Heh. Tis to laugh.

Haven't clicked on it yet, but I have visions of Palestinians sharing treats and celebrating. Don't recall them doing that when Israel gave them control of all of Gaza, but killing Americans was cause for celebration.
sick freaks

One aspect of the "goodwill" tact that is completely bogus is that of "Bush created the animosity that Muslims now feel toward the US."

Such assumes that 9/11 and the attacks that preceded it were not acts of animosity but of goodwill.

As for any European "goodwill" that was created by the attacks, that only makes sense if ill-will existed before such "goodwill" was created. So the question has to be asked - what created such ill-will with our "allies" before 9/11?

The answer: Not much.

Now, another question would be how much of this is caused by the thugs in charge of these countries - who control the media exposure to the West, who determine what is or isn't shown, who determine what Western media outlets can or can't say about the conditions in these countries, and how much of this is due to the rantings and ravings of fundamentalists in the mosques and schools who preach hatred and intolerance of non-Muslims.

Meanwhile, I do know that more Muslims are coming to the US than in the years before 9/11 - many for the same reasons that everyone else comes here - for the freedoms and opportunities we have that everywhere else lacks.

Is there someway to repost there elsewhere?

Ie a code to repost on other sites? Spread the word & such.

Good stuff, Charles. Keep up the AWESOME work.

PS Sorry for some of my profanity in recent posts. My anger has been getting the best of me lately. Will try to tone it down.

Al-Zawahri: Gulf, Israel Next Targets
By LEE KEATH

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - Osama bin Laden's deputy warned that Persian Gulf countries and Israel would be al-Qaida's next targets, according to a new videotape aired by Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera on Monday, the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

If George Bush is serious about his War on Terror then Al-Jazeera needs to be put out of commission. It is a mouthpiece of death and destruction that probably creates 1000 additional suicide bombers every time it airs one of these insidious tapes. Therefore, it is no less culpable than an Al-Qaida training camp run by Bin Ladin himself. Only hatred spews from this media piehole 24 hours a day. Hatred aimed at converting and recruiting Jihadis through incitement to violence.

What's more, all print, web and TV media around the world should TOTALLY ignore these kinds of tapes from Al-Qaida or or any other of the demented terrorist groups. The West should ignore all proclamations made by these Islamo-Nazis on Al-Jazeera. If the West did not participate in spreading their message that would "piss them off" to no end. It's one non-violent way to deal with the diatribe of death from Islam. Ignore Al-Jazeera. Period.

/would the west tolerate some group telling their members to go out and rape young girls and women? Of course not, but there is no problem transmitting messages of DEATH against Israel and Jews.

For instance:
"...the tooth of the enemy will stretch from Jerusalem to Mecca, and then everyone will regret on a day when regret is of no use," al-Ghamdi said.

I lived in Esfahan,IRan from '76-'78 and Saudi Arabia for 3 years before that and I have to say that I cannot recall ever meeting a person I didn't like. The Arab and Persian street may be seen as ~Koo-Kooo~ because of what is braodcast for us to see, but the Arab household still has doors and the majority of them are just like us when they are behind them...the main difference is if they share their disdain for their thuggish leaders,they suffer dire consequences.
Streets are Streets everywhere...

If we had such good will, we would have had more support in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, N. Korea and elsewhere.

No "good will" ever existed.

Israel: Leave us at peace in our homes, ackowledge our right to exist here.

USA: Leave us at peace in our homes, ackowledge our right to exist here.

Muslim Nations: You must be wiped off the face of the Earth. Kill all who are not radical Muslims (yes, even 'moderate' Muslims).

No amount of radical Muslim propaganda can cover the truth forever. This is why the internet was invented (by Al Gore, bet he's pissed NOW).

Islam is war...The Koran the battle plan...Someday I hope all will that is the truth.

Somalia station shut down for love songs
Sharia Alert from AP:

MOGADISHU, Somalia - Islamic militants controlling much of southern Somalia shut down a radio station Sunday for playing love songs and other music, the latest step to impose strict religious rule which has sparked fears of an emerging, Taliban-style regime.
Since sweeping to power over much of southern Somalia, including the capital Mogadishu, in June, the Islamists have banned movie viewing, publicly lashed drug users and broke up a wedding celebration because a band was playing and women and men were socializing together.The group closed Radio Jowhar because the programs were un-Islamic, Islamic official Sheik Mohamed Mohamoud Abdirahman said. It was the only radio station in Jowhar, some 55 miles from Mogadishu.
"It is useless to air music and love songs for the people," Abdirahman said.
Said Hagaa Ahmed, Radio Jowhar's director, confirmed the station had been closed but declined further comment.
The Islamic militants have brought a semblance of order to Somalia after years of anarchy.
But the United States accuses the Islamic leaders of harboring al-Qaida militants responsible for deadly bombings at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.
Jowhar resident Ali Musse said closing the radio station was a violation of freedom.
"This directive is like the Taliban," Musse told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "It is censorship against independent media and freedom of expression."
In other words, Sharia.

Why are Iranian subs allowed to exist?

Goodwill? I think we can create true goodwill by killing everyone that is a terrorist, and imprison eveyone that is sympathetic. At some point they will beg US to have goodwill toward them. Can we get out of this pussy, mall-girl demand that people like us? These people disgust me, I don't want them to like me, I want them to be continually shamed and humiliated by defeat on every playing field.

I want them to be so utterly defeated that they throw away their Korans as more worthless than the last fad diet, and embrace my religion or atheism, or Buddhism, or just become amoral bankers and lawyers, but they drop the Borg-Hive mind of Islam because we spray anything that houses that thinking with insecticide.

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.

O, Lord,
grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love;
for it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

Charles:

Thank you for all you do here for us. The flag is wonderful. I could stand seeing it up there permanently.

#8 Czarmangis

The Arab and Persian street may be seen as ~Koo-Kooo~ because of what is braodcast for us to see, but the Arab household still has doors and the majority of them are just like us when they are behind them...the main difference is if they share their disdain for their thuggish leaders,they suffer dire consequences.

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing"

Somewhat OT:

In a symposium published in frontpagemag.com, Tom McInerney, Andrew McCarthy, Jed Babbin, and FPM editor Jamie Glazov take on Ralph Peters

Symposium: 9/11: Five Years Later

I remember a photo of them 'dancing in the streets and handing out candy' to celebrate. Arrafat deemed it bad publicity and stopped it from being photographed any more.
There was *never* any good will in that part of the world and even where there was it was not squandered.

Well good. Glad we got that straight. This needs to be on the bastions of western leftist media like CNN, MSNBC, CBC, BBC, NBC, CBS, etc and posted at Kos and Democratic Underground, Truthout, Huffpost etc. As well.

I've just been watching the MEMRI video. It's OK, but it's so slooowww. Not the bandwidth, but the way it was edited and put together. Seems to be for a senior audience. I got rather impatient and stopped after 6 minutes. C'mon guys, pick up the pace!

Not sure who the intended target is for that video, but MEMRI needs to "knock it up a notch" if they want to keep people's attention.

Unique and essential content, for sure -- but draggy editing.

#8 Czarmangis -

the main difference is if they share their disdain for their thuggish leaders,they suffer dire consequences.

There is another significant difference, as the last 5 years have proven.

When the world's remaining superpower wagers its power, prestige, fortune, and the lives of its best men and women to create the opportunity to remove such thugs from power, what support does it get from those you speak of?

Precious little.

What we do get in quantity is either resentment for having offended Arab / Persian pride (assumably they could have done it on their own but just didn't get around to it), or criticism for not doing the job perfectly and without any damage. Then there is the vocal minority backed by a large group of silent supporters who wish to perpetuate the Jihad for the glory of Allah.

I no longer buy the "masses waiting to be freed" argument. That said, we are staying there to keep an eye on things, as we most certainly should. And if "innocents" die in the process, too bad. F*ck with the best, die like the rest.

How George Soros And The Left Remember 9/11

Gordon

Words of the L-rd of Hosts, not man;
JPS
Isa 13:9 - 11

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel, and full of wrath and fierce anger; to make the earth a desolation, and to destroy the sinners thereof out of it, for the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light; the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

And I will visit upon the world their evil, and upon the wicked their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the tyrants.

.

Gordon chanted: O, Lord, grant that I may not so much seek... to be loved as to love

Love me, daddy Charles... why won't you love me?

/channeling nodrog's inner child

/showering-rinsing-repeating

"The Arab & Iranian reaction to 9/11" (evidently SE Asian Muslims don't count)

Honestly? Who gives a shit. Just leave us & Israel the hell alone.

Gee. And I just heard on Sunday from NBC how we squandered all the good will the Muslims in the mideast had for us on 9/11. They went to Lebanon for man in the street interviews. I guess they couldn't find any film of the Arab Street celebrating over there on 9/11.

And just as stoopid was the NPR guy on Fox saying how supportive of Bush the Democrats have been since 9/11.

Man, they got some good drugs in NYC and DC these days.

#19 Gmac

I remember a photo of them 'dancing in the streets and handing out candy' to celebrate. Arrafat deemed it bad publicity and stopped it from being photographed any more.

I remember the photo op of Arafish giving blood. I pity the fool who got that pint.

Excellent tribute to MEMRI, an indispensible resource.

Gordon

Lucky you have no reproductive organs, the idea that you might pass on your genes is almost to much to bear today.

"Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God."

And taking the example of Christ...real peace is the utter defeat and casting into hell of your enemies...read the book dumb ass. Christ was no metrosexual emasculated male like you LLL's think. He was tough as nails and made an open show of the principalities and powers on the cross, and disarmed them all. LLL's simply disarm themselves, then whine when everyone else does not disarm and hide under the bed with them.

You do not have a greater morality, nor are you spiritual, but you cover your cowardice in the face of evil with inaction, and worse you attack the men that DO act. You are cowards with a thin slimiy coat of psuedo-sophistication.

I m Pissed of from muslims...
why can't they accept their mistakes

#15 Gordon,

I assume you are directing that prayer to the islamic jihadists.

It would be so refreshing if muslims attempted to live in peace with those around them; sowed love instead of suicide bombs, shared sorrow with those they kill instead of dancing in the street, and pardoned the infidel and Jew for merely existing. Israel would also appreciate it, innocent women and children who are about to be blown up would appreciate it, muslim girls targeted for death for their family's honor would be relieved, and lastly those innocent kidnapped victims kneeling with their heads on the block would appreciate it if the dull blade of the rusty saw were put down.

#15 is 'pardoning and consoling' his burqa-clad family while 'loving' his sharia and 'giving' his jizya just before 'dying' like a dog.

Suicide.

"Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God."

Peace through superior firepower.

“Squandered” the world’s good will?

I doubt there was any to begin with.

Charles - THANK YOU for enlightening the American People...if only they would SEE the wrongs of the Muslims rather than trying to understand them!

The whole post/9-11 honeymoon period where we had to see normally anti-American Europeans bring our their lame "We are all Americans now"
routine was all too predictable.

Just as predictable was that it would all quickly dissipate as soon as the US started kicking the asses of those responsible, and that the lefty MSM would print stories wistfully deploring how we had blown the windfall of goodwill that the Europeans had graciously bestowed upon us.

Alas- if we were hit with a major terrorist attack every couple of weeks and never responded, we could have a 24/7, 365 pity party going on. Wouldn't that be great?

Kind of similar to how the Jewish people spoiled the post-Holocaust Euro pity party by daring to defend itself, for once.

Hi fellows lizardoids. This is my first post here. I'm from Portugal and I hate Islamfascists and their cult of evil. In Portugal we don't have some of the crap that you have... infiltrated wahabis, CAIR and so on.. we do have some fifth columnists and dhimmies, but they are in a few numbers. What we see in ME is the double standard of arabs. They cry and beg for your money and help, but they make a holiday when America is hurt. What you should do is stop giving money and assistence to them. Is my opinion that you can't give help and assistence to your (ours) enemies. Let them live from what they made in their factories. Eat from what they grow in their fiels. If you (we) are a bunch of infidels an a bad influence, they don't need nothing from the West. They should live from drinking oil and eat camel poo. A great thanks to Charles and to his lovely work. Without him, I maybe don't had realized the menace to us all that is coming from the ME...

the world’s good will ...
yeah right.
I call bullshit.

Good will?

If you watch the Al Queda 9/11 propoganda they released in commemoration of the 5th year anniversary of their atrocious act on the WTC towers, the Hijackers along with Osama Bin Ladem justify the operation because of mistreatment of their muslim brothers in Bosnia. BOSNIA?

Didn't the US go to Bosnia in defense of Muslims in Bosnia and to stop their eradication by Serbian troops?

What good will?

They're still fighting the crusades. Amusing considering the United States didn't exist when the crusades occurred but reason and logic seem to be absent in Islam.

HeatherRadish

Real Final Peace

22 Karmic said

When the world's remaining superpower wagers its power, prestige, fortune, and the lives of its best men and women to create the opportunity to remove such thugs from power, what support does it get from those you speak of?

Precious little.

That is unfair. Iraqis braved bombs and terrorists to vote - three times. More Iraqis vote than in most of the West. They are the ones getting killed by the "insurgents" far more than Americans, and yet the people have not bought into sectarian civil war and by-and-large have bought into keeping the country together. Without ANY threat to our lives, we pro-Iraq war/ pro-War on Terror/ pro-Patriot Act/Pro-troop Americans have not demonstrated our support as emphatically as braving bombs to vote - 3 times.

jehu: And taking the example of Christ...real peace is the utter defeat and casting into hell of your enemies

The "Prince of Peace" who proclaimed in Matthew 6, verse 5;

Whoever receives one such little child in my name receives me,

... then finished his thoughts thus in verses 7 and 8;

but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him that a huge millstone should be hung around his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of occasions of stumbling! For it must be that the occasions come, but woe to that person through whom the occasion comes!

For a while people here on LGF have said that the Arab/Muslims use the arguments of the LLL.

After watching this video I have to ask if it really isn't just the opposite...

Maybe the LLL is actually using the arguments arranged & orchestrated by the Enemy. Why would it be so odd that organizations with members in them that are also in CAIR, MSA, MB, ISM, Etc., not use the propaganda given to them by their host countries.

It was done in the 1980s by the Soviet Union with home grown Communist Groups & in the 1940 by the German's...so why would it be so crazy that the Enemy now uses the same techniques?

#15 Gordon

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace.

Peace through strength.

OH PLEASE JUST STOP FEEDING OUR PET TROLL!

I think large amounts people of Europe, Asia, and even the middle east still consider the US a friend and the last hope for freedom and liberty. Media and govt. make careers and money by rabble rousing against the world's last superpower, now that they no longer have to worry about Communism. Sensationalism sells everywhere in the world, not just in the US.

Terrorism is all about money and power, don't let the Islamists get away with calling it religion at all. Not that Islam helps itself with it's demands for abject obedience and unquestioning devotion to violent, mysoginist, prejudiced, murderous dogma that is the Koran.

media player sucks.cant play more than 3 seconds without rebuffering.

"Salafis are Freemasons!"

Of course. It makes absolutely no sense so it's a perfect plan.

They might be able to fool the world. But they can't fool most Americans.

#42 Canadastani
What is gripping a lot of Iraqi's today is the lessons of Americas' past, namely we will not stick around to see this through. They hear the cry from the left to get out now. They are aware of the polls, the speeches by our politicians and the reinforcement they get on their own media everytime the jihadists invoke the actions of Vietnam and Somalia. They realize that in 2 years George Bush will be gone and they have little confidence that his succesor will have the nerve to continue. You would think this would motivate them to get their house in order but the opposite is true. There are many waiting in the wings to fill the void soon to come. They know that they must continue to keep the country in chaos for just a little while longer and then they can begin in earnest the real struggle for power. There are a lot players, Al-Sadr, Gen Douri, unknown Iranian Shiite leaders and a whole list of other wannabees. Hell you may even see someone like Nasrallah make a run at taking over even though he has a good deal in Lebanon.

Well, since Iran sent Hezb'Allah's top military man to Sudan to train al Qaeda in weapons and tactics, it wouldn't completely surprise me if Iran was involved in 9-11.

Recall Shia Iran also supports Sunni Hamas.

# 41 jehu 9/11/2006 11:31AM PDT

As the old saying goes:

God created Man.
Mr. Colt made them equal.

No good thread to post this, but based on aircraft pressure of 1006 mb and a wind speed of 46 knots, TD #7 should be upgraded to Tropical Storm Nodrog later today. Nodrog is forecast by NHC to meander aimlessly before curving out to sea to die over the cold North Atlantic.

Dear Mr. Silver:

More,

FasterPlease,

3,000 bookings in Cinemaplexs', please.

---

From Dunigen:

"Al Qaeda Stays On Message

September 11, 2006: Al Qaeda's September 2 videotape, the one mostly consisting of an American Moslem preaching, in English, was interesting mainly for the way it was misinterpreted by Western media. Perhaps the most important thing missed is how this tape completed the three steps righteous Islamic warriors must complete before the Moslem world makes war on unbelievers. First, you must give the enemy multiple warnings that you are going to attack. That's already been done. Second, you must offer a truce. That was done last year. Third, you must call on the heathen enemy to convert to Islam, and avoid the catastrophe that is going to befall them. This is what the latest tape did, in English.

To most Westerners, this all appears rather absurd. But not if you understand that al Qaeda videos, even those in English, are directed at Moslems as well. It is a serious business, or at least what happened on September 11, 2001, and subsequently in Afghanistan and Iraq, has demonstrated. Remember that the phrase, "they wouldn't be crazy enough to do that" was often muttered in the 1930s, as the Germans and Japanese proudly and publicly announced their schemes for world, or at least regional, domination. Hitler wrote a book outlining his crazy ideas, and Japanese speaking Americans had a hard time convincing the folks back in Washington that many Japanese believed the outrageous things the Japanese government was promising to do.

So here we are again. Another bunch of nuts with guns pledging to conquer the world, or die trying. Don't think it hasn't happened before. And don't pretend ignoring it will make it go away."

i think the "good will" referred mainly to Europe.

any good will in the Arab world would be confined to specific governments there. and all the ones friendly to us generally don't enjoy popular support.

What a wonderful post by LGF's biggest retard.
Couldn't let this thread go by without some smart-@$$ comment could you?

you're worthless. w-o-r-t-h-l-e-s-s.

#21 Zombie

I agree. They have to recut that thing. It's important info that needs to shout out the message not drip it out.

Terp Mole

Christ also called out the enemies of God and never relented in his opinion of them, and even moved in physical violence against some of them.

He also said, "I did not come to bring peace on the earth, but a sword, that children will turn on parents and husbands and wives would turn on each other."

He also said if a man does not HATE his father and mother and come and follow me, he has no part with me. I know how to reconcile the obvious contradictions of Christ's teachings, do you?

Nobody will be allowed to use the teachings of Christ to excuse, ignore, or sympathize with evil, and that is what Gordon was doing. I have enough of phony quoters of scripture that have never confronted a demon or devil in their life, most don't even have the guts to tell their kids to stop getting tattoos and smoking pot.

#58

i hope you weren't referring to me sir. but if you were good job with the quickness.

The latest Democratic/Islamist talking point making the rounds of the media is that the US (via the Bush administration) “squandered” the world’s good will after the 9/11 attacks, by fighting back against Islamic terrorism

Oh yes! The mythical "good-will" talking points! Must not offend Reza! Must make Chirac happy! Must get to the "root cause" of 9/11.

We all know that as soon as Bush was deemed the winner of the 2001 elections, Atta and others rushed to the Florida flight schools. In a fit or righteous Islamic rage, they flew the jets in the Towers. President Bush and all of his Bushbots can do such things. If only Gore had won, all would be right in the Universe.

[Link: nymag.com...]

Keller says he doesn't care. Suprise.

GO to hell NYT.

I managed to sit through the whole thing, but I did other reading while Ron Silver was speaking.

No wonder the lefties are in love with radical islam. These folks have as many nutty conspiracy theories as the moonbats.

#15

that's a pretty douche-ish (douchesque?) post. "love your neighbor" doesn't mean you roll over like a little bitch when they're continually trying to kill you.

always amusing when people try to use Christianity against conservatives. apparently Jesus was a hippie, and that's it.

#38 Welcome Marsl! - You're right, and probably wouldn't have to convince too many Lizards about that. I HATE the idea of giving a dime if it helps the Muslim Mafia in 'Palestine' stay in power. Hamas, Hez, Fatah, they're all the same - 'we'll kill Jews (and each other) to get our hands on all that western money'.

#53 Ed - Didn't know that, very interesting. Didn't think al Q's punks needed any help after Afghanistan. But I can totally see Iran and Iraq putting aside their differences, at least in gutter of the Arab street where their spies live, in order to back the terrorists who will attack the backer of Israel.

"love your neighbor" doesn't mean you roll over like a little bitch when they're continually trying to kill you."

it does when you're a leftist troll and you're expecting it of conservatives.

Nodrog posted, IIRC, the prayer of St Francis. Not a bad prayer at all, but one must also kepe the concept of the Augustinian "Just War", war for self defense or to prevent a greater evil, in mind.

From the New American Bible, 5 Matthew 1-10

When he saw the crowds, he went up the mountain, and after he had sat down, his disciples came to him.

He began to teach them, saying:

"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted.

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the land.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,for they will be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, 9 for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me.

Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven

i don't see what reason Iran has to collaborate with al Qaeda. if they did, they'd be phenomenally stupid.

some past contacts between Hezbollah and al Qaeda do not prove a working relationship. i do need to read up on the Khobar Towers though -- heard some things said about how that was coordinated between them. dunno how true that is.

but Iran helping with any kind of massive 9/11-style attack would be idiocy, and they know it.

#15 Gordon

Nice quoting of the Peace Prayer of St. Francis albeit an inaccurate application.

While it is a nice ideal for the everyday person it should not be one used by soldiers and law enforcement charged with safe-guarding American citizens and American interests. They have a job to do and should not abandon justice or the law for pacifist idealism. And we should not stand in their way to obstruct them in performing that duty that allows us such freedom.

If a person assumes that kind of idealism is the path to survival then that person is living in a deluded fantasy universe just ripe to be slammed by the forces of evil that exist in the world.

I really love how All these Conspiracies come out of the Middle east then come straight through the mouths of the leftist Traitors we have here at home.
I always wondered how or where at lot of these absolutety Assinine Garbage theories come from, Well now i know.
But i must say one thing about the Leftists, They are clever enough to "filter" it out so make it more palatable to AMerican Malcontents and people off their medication. SO instaed of Blaming "the jooos" so much or "freemasons" They put the blame squarly at Bush's Feet. Since at lot of People are sore at him anyway, it makes beliving those lies a little more Palatable than saying it was the Mossad or some such bullshit. I think Leftists are just self-loathing American COWARDS!

And he continued teaching

Mat 5:17-19

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.

"Truly I say to you, until Heaven and Earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Torah, until all is accomplished.

"Whoever then shall break one of these commandments, the least, and shall teach others to do so, he shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

I prefer this prayer
Infantryman's Prayer

Almighty God, whose will it is that we be leaders of men.

Hear us as we come to you for guidance in this awesome
responsibility.

Let us never forget our duty in the men whom lead. May we instill in them the qualities of loyalty, integrity and duty.

Grant us the patience in dealing with the mistakes of our fellow man.

Let us never forget that no man is perfect, but that perfection for fragile humans is trying each day to be better than the day before.

Give us courage, O Lord, in the face of danger; keep us pure in heart, clean in mind, and strong in purpose.

Remind us that wisdom is not gained in an hour, a day, or in a year, but it is a process that continues all the days of our lives.

Keep ever before us our goal, which is not to perpetrate war, but to safeguard peace and preserve your great gift to man, Freedom.

May you always be near to guide us in decisions, comfort us in our failures, and keep us humble in our successes. We ask your divine blessings and leadership as we discharge the honor and responsibility of leading men in the service of our country.

Walk close to us always, our father that we may not fall.

AMEN

#55 Ed - Too Funny! Meandering aimlessly to die alone and unrecognized, sounds like NodroG all right.

#69 - Gordon - Good thing most American Christians are sinners enough to help we secular citizens save all of our lives. Hopefully when the Islamofacist's war comes to our shores again we'll have enough liberals for effective human shields.

#15 Gordon

I've about had it with this naive b*llsh*t talk of "healing", "moving on", "understanding" and "reaching out". We don't need any of that foolishness. Any nation that lacks the basic decency to defend itself with deadly force does not deserve to continue. Right after the 9/11 attacks I saw a few older women with these simple-minded smiles on their faces with says that read "War is not the answer" I was so angry at them I wanted to beat them unconscious. What about justice for our murdered citizens? Peace will come after a hell of a lot of killing. After the corpses of jihadi savages are stacked up like cordwood.

I am getting sick and f*ck*ng tired of listening to cowardice passing as "spiritual maturity" and immorality and indencency passing as "understanding". It doesn't take two to fight, it only takes one. If I pushed Gordon into a corner and started pounding him, he would be in a fight whether he wanted to be or not. He could then choose to defend himself of lose the fight.

Peace comes after victory.

Peace will come after a hell of a lot of killing.

al Qaeda/Hezbo relationship.

#69

kid i hope you yourself are some kind of Christian if you keep posting this ish. i hate when agnostics/atheists pull this "hypocrisy" card garbage.

#69

I was wondering when someone was going to parade out the Be Attitudes in an attempt to justify pacifism or some other illogical response to evil and injustice.

This sermon is meant to comfort in a time of tribulation, not as a recommendation on how to act in response to a threat or adversity. No where does it say a person has to roll over and take it when something is threatening them nor cower in impotence and allow harm to take place.

God helps those that help themselves, if you want to use God as source to cite. In the case of these extremists and terrorists, God's help is in the form of our soldiers, firefighters, police and a myriad of other people that put their lives on the line to safe guard our lives and liberty.

Yes, He does want us to rely on him, but after the circumstances are beyond our God-given abilities to handle ... and I don't believe we are there yet.

That took a while, but it is great. Nice job Ron silver.

two thoughts:
1 - the common theme with the conspiracy theories (which match the leftist theories) is that "America had the most to gain with the 9/11 attacks".

How? How did we gain anything? What a load of crap.

2. --Initially, Bin Laden was the Middle East hero. But that degenerated into "The Zionists did it."

heh. Just like our leftists, these preachers of lies want it both ways.

Iran always keeps layers of 'plausible deniability. I read a magazine article years ago that Pan Am 103 was an Iranian job done to avenge the Airbus shoot down, which in itself may have been a set-up, as a civilian plane took off from a military airport and flew at a US Navy missile cruiser that was in a gun battle with Iranian patrol boats.

The article made a clear case that Iran contracted Pan Am 103 out to Syria, which sub-contracted the job out to Libyan intelligence, and that, as a matter of fact, Muammar Ghaddafi may or may not have had advanced knowledge of the Lockerbie terror attack.

#42 Canadastani

Unfair?

Perhaps.

But please consider the following -

a) The biggest turnout was where shiites were concentrated and where violence was rare. Sistani told shiites that voting was an obligation. Kurds turned in big numbers because they were secure within their borders and knew big numbers would matter in deciding their fate as a minority.

b) I was respondding to a post which was not Iraq specific. It spoke of attitudes observed in Arab and Persian households. I assume we were to extrapolate that to what most would call the Umaah.

c) Arabs and Persians have complained about US shortcomings in delivering a prosperous peace to the region well before 9/11. To me, the tone resembles complaints that one might here about the Cable company - an attitude of "It is your job to bring this to me."

When I said "precious little" I meant both words. Those willing to fight for freedom there indeed DO EXIST. And they are precious. And they are few when you consider the Umaah as a whole. I consider the US to be morally obliged to assist such people and stay in the fight so that they may prevail. Just the same, I hold no illusions that such people constitute a majority there.

As we debate what to do in Iran, I am firmly of the opinion that we should not rely on any "goodwill to America" that Iranians may hold as somehow something we can exploit to create non-violent change there. They won't rise up - the only thing that can motivate uprising in that part of the world is the Quran - being abused by Mullahs doesn't rise to the level that abuse of a book does.

Fair or unfair, that is how I see it.

the future Peace makers of Islam.

I really congratulate Ron Silver for doing this...he's a reformed moonbat as far as the war on islamic fascism goes. I thought the pacing was slow too, I guess to reinforce the solemnity of the subject, but it was very valuable. Preaching to the choir unfortunately, as least in my case.

Thanks Charles! I'm glad that we have your site as a resource as we all try to carry on after 9/11/2001.

#23 Lawrence Schmerel 9/11/2006 11:13AM PDT How George Soros And The Left Remember 9/11

Judging from the photos in your link, the moonbats got all their propaganda from the Muslims on this MEMRI video. Amazing and ugly marriage, this leftist/muslim tryst.

Speaking of Soros (and going off topic)

Tensions spike as Georgia alleges coup
"Most of those arrested were officials of the pro-Moscow Justice Party, whose leader, former Georgian KGB chief Igor Giorgadze, is reportedly hiding in Russia. Others were activists of the opposition Conservative Monarchists and of the Anti-Soros Movement, a coalition of groups that accuses billionaire George Soros of "interfering" in Georgian politics by funding pro-Western nongovernmental organizations and think tanks."

and

"William Rusher: Soros goes after America's judges "

"Achmed, we Muslims are just too darn lame to pull off a big operation like hijacking 4 passenger jets."

"Right, Mohammed. Only Jews are smart enough. We Arabs are too stupid."

Amazing that they are so willing to dis themselves in order to trash Jews and Americans.

One billion people living in ignorance, enjoying the 11th century. I couldn't believe some of the crap spewed forth by the so called experts. We are going to have to kill alot of them, the brainwashing is so deeply embedded, we could never hope to reeducate them. What a shame, some of them are probably quite clever, and may have contributed to society if their minds were free.

On this 9/11 anniversary, I'd like to take the opportunity to recommend that we all donate to organizations which we believe are helping to fight this twisted and demonic enemy.

Two of my top choices: LGF and MEMRI. One of the biggest problems confronting the war, is misinformation. The enemy can't win if the truth is exposed. Their whole "jihad" is based upon lies. Expose the lies, expose the truth, and you undermine the enemy.

I remember the spirituality of hippies and liberals back when I lived in a Chritian Communal home. Now I, and most of us went, to our jobs came home and studied and prayed. But there were always a few "super spiritual," that saw no need to work, just lived in the Bible all day long. Course when it was time to eat, they either begged meals from the responsible or just stole it.

When you confronted them for stealing your food, they always answered, "It is better to give than receive." Not a few were fed knuckle sandwiches from us "less enlightened." The early Christian Church was plauged by these lazy-ass LLL hippies (nothing new under the sun). So Paul wrote to the churches and said, "Let him not eat, that does not work."

So all this LLL crap, and welfare and super-softness of Christian scriptures is absolute Bull Shit. Most of the non-judgemental teaching by Christ and the Apostles is summed up that you do NOT let grudges or unforgiveness build up in your spirit, it has nothing to do with defending yourself against evil.

Otherwise every Christian wife would be raped as the men stood by and cried and wrung their hands. It is a signal characteristic of the Left after having emasculated themselve to become spritual bitches, to emasculate everyone and everything, including God.

God is not some bitch-punk, to roll over and take crap. He only allows evil, so good men can chose to fight to fight that evil, that it might be revealed they ARE good men. Or does anyone think God wants to be surrounded by a bunch of moral cowards for eternity? The left are moral cowards...it is that simple. That strips away all their squid-ink squirting diversionary arguments.

The fundamental behavior of the Left is to avoid confrontation with evil, to name good as evil, in the sure knowledge that good will not do to them as they deserve, nor treat them with the utter destruction which they would receive from evil men.

Want proof? See if any so called LLL black leader walks into the ghetto and tells the animals living there to stop selling drugs, stop producing illegitimate children, and grow the hell up. They know they will be torn apart. Instead they devise fake battles against Dennys, or some coropration only hired 11.8% blacks, instead of 12%, knowing full well there is no battle there.

Just remember
the next time someone says
What Would Jesus Do...
the answer is :

Sometimes, He would make a whip, scream and yell, and chase the assholes out of the courtyard with it.

My favorite part is about the Mossad agents.
Their activities and reports have all been suppressed but every arab with a microphone is commenting on them.

And what is with the "jew" they are arresting. That is O.J. Simpson or his twin brother.

Watch the video and tell me if I'm wrong.

82 karmic_inquisitor

Our views are closer than I thought. While I could quibble with a)(since the Kurd/Shia/Sunni areas are not neatly segregated), it would be beside the point. We are pretty much in agreement on b), c) and your conclusion.
People will stand up after we do the bulk of the fighting, but it would be a mistake to assume Iranians would overthrow their government on their own or join us if we come for a visit.

91 Laffer
That was the best part. The OJ trial was connected with all this. And the certainty of 4,000 Jews calling in the with Flu! That was just uncanny. Everyone got the same number there.

Watching the CNN Pipeline replay of 9/11 coverage and noticed another story on Blair protests as he visits Beirut.

One protestor's sign says:

Bush, Blair, Olmert
three Corns of one Devil
(with maybe some small writing that I can't decipher)

Anyone know WTH that means?

/love it when they have signs printed in English

Content: excellent, eye-opening and rage-building.

Delivery: not so hot.

This should be re-cut a submitted for broad distribution. Thank you Charles for being a part of this.

So, the reaction of people in two nations is a proxy for the world? You cannot measure leaps of logic like that in miles.

On the one hand we have your and MEMRI's video cherry picking selections from nations with some 500 million people (of course, they all think alike, MEMRI and LGF says so), and on the other, this:

"The wider counterpart to our traumatized togetherness at home was an astonishing burst abroad of what can only be called pro-Americanism. Messages of solidarity and indignation came from Libya and Syria as well as from Germany and Israel; flowers and funeral wreaths piled up in front of American Embassies from London to Beijing; flags flew at half-staff across Europe; in Iran, a candlelight vigil expressed sympathy. “Any remnants of neutrality thinking, of our traditional balancing act, have gone out of the window now,” a Swedish
political scientist told Reuters. “There has not been the faintest shadow of
doubt, not a trace of hesitation of where we stand, nowhere in Sweden.” Le
Monde’s front-page editorial was headlined NOUS SOMMES TOUS AMÉRICAINS, and Italy’s Corriere della Sera echoed, “We are all Americans. The distance from the United States no longer exists because we, our values, are also in the crosshairs of evil minds.” In Brussels, the ambassadors of the nineteen members of NATO invoked, for the first time in the alliance’s fifty-two-year history, Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, affirming that “an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all” and pledging action, “including the use of armed
force.”

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

Oh the Jewmanity!~
liberality does not take the threat seriously.

SAH-PRIZE
SAH-PRIZE
SAH-PRIZE!

Liberality -

What a pile of left wing crap. No one takes the Democrats seriously because you/they are a pack of divisive back-stabbing - whine blame and complain anti-free market tax-hiking socialist tools.

The latest Democratic/Islamist talking point making the rounds of the media is that the US (via the Bush Administration “squandered” the world’s good will after the 9/11 attacks, by fighting back against Islamic terrorism.

Balogney...one of the worst of the left-wing lies perpetrated on a gullible American public.

liberality does not take the threat seriously.

I live in New York. Unlike most of the wingnuts here from Podunk, Kansas, I ride the subway every day to my office in midtown...halfway between Times Square and Penn Station.

However, like most other New Yorkers (who voted against President Bush 9 to 1...God, I love this city), I will not let fear rule my life. Fifty years ago, we were told, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." Now, the bed-wetters want us to live in constant fear, clutching at our collective breast in paranoia at fear of the swarthy other. Screw that noise, jack, I'll not let you let the terrorists win.

#96 liberality

On the one hand we have your and MEMRI's video cherry picking selections from nations with some 500 million people (of course, they all think alike, MEMRI and LGF says so)

Do you accept that the MEMRI quotes were from well-respected leaders of Arab and Iranian society, and much of it was broadcast on state-run television?

Do you dispute that such thinking is mainstream in Arab and Iranian society?

Did you miss the last segment of MEMRI's video, which showed liberal Arab reformers?

Could you provide an LGF quote which states or implies that there are no dissenting voices in the Middle East?

How common do you think that 9/11 consipiracy theories are in the Middle East?

Liberality

"Poduck Kansas,"

Stop acting like a bratty snooty little bigot. New Yorkers are better than that, don't you think?

Hear that everyone? Little Liberality isn't going to live in fear nor will he let us let
the big bad terrorists (the same terrorists he is not afraid of) hurt his candy liberal ass.

Make sure to swallow your Bush-hate pill and wash it down with a nice tall glass of socialist Koolaid.

December 2001:

“The planes were remote controlled by the Americans. That’s why it was easy for them to be slammed into the buildings.”

“They want to start a war to go after Afghanistan.”

“How could Osama pull off 9/11? He is thousands of kilometers away in Afghanistan.”

“The US is the superpower, isn’t it? So, how could supposedly 19 Arabs cause such havoc to such a super country?”

“The US wants to subjugate Muslims.”

That’s just what I heard from my family. The situation was not much different in the newspapers and magazines. Every time the media mentioned Osama in a story, the “who is blamed for 9/11 by Washington” was not far behind.

I was reading through a Pakistani magazine where in the letters section was this gem. “The attacks on 9/11, which we all know were caused by Mossad,...” It was mind-numbing. The Muslim world simply couldn't agree as to who was behind the 9/11 attacks when the plain truth was staring them in the face.

Though, what they could all agree on was a sense of uninhibited joy. Whether it was Americans, Israelis or the tooth fairy that was behind 9/11, they didn't mind the auspicious atrocity.

IX . XI

Bottom line (as Prime Minister Begin said):

"I'd rather be alive and hated, then dead and loved."

I agree.

The left have to ignore the Islamic threat. After all, even though the dems/liberals all live in a 9/10 world where petty social issues ruled the day, it doesn't matter because the evil Bush-Hitler squandered the good will. Bush did so by rolling the lowest income earners off the tax rolls, (oh wait - that helps the poor!)
Kyoto? old news. Clinton and the entire congress did not sign Kyoto. Bush teamed with uber-lib Teddy Kennedy and the "No child left behind act" was signed. But, the liberals still mocked Bush. The liberals still cynically and blindly suck up to the treacherous teachers union propaganda that maintains the horrid status quo where poor students and bad schools continue to fail our children.

The female talkshow guest at 13:00 into the video looks like Endora from Bewitched.

Do you accept that the MEMRI quotes were from well-respected leaders of Arab and Iranian society, and much of it was broadcast on state-run television?

About the only guy I recognize is the dude from "The Arrival." Are these leaders any more "well respected" than Pat Robertson and Dinesh D'Souza, who both blame Western decadence for the attacks, are on the right?

Do you dispute that such thinking is mainstream in Arab and Iranian society?

First of all, why don't you tell me what thinking is "mainstream" in America? Second, have you ever travelled to an Arab nation? I have; they are fed up with the Mullahs and simply want to live in peace. Perhaps you can try travelling (or, perish the thought, try talking to a Msulim in the U.S.) before you make such sweeping statements about the "mainstream" culture of anywhere.

Did you miss the last segment of MEMRI's video, which showed liberal Arab reformers?

As someone above noted, the video is too boring for one to see thorugh the end. The point of MEMRI's propoganda is clear: highlight the worst elements of Muslim society.

Could you provide an LGF quote which states or implies that there are no dissenting voices in the Middle East?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] "Why We Cannot Rely on Mdoerate Muslims"

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] - "Radical Islam is on the rise throughout Europe, and the so-called moderates [so-called...how very Farrakhan of you, Charles - ed.] are playing the role of the enabler"

Give me a year and I'll get the rest.

How common do you think that 9/11 consipiracy theories are in the Middle East?

About as common as they are in the US...see next post.. And that proves what, exactly?

Dear troll sh#t stain aka liberality:

You have never been to the Middle East obviously, so what makes you thihnk you know what goes on in the mind of Muslims?

You don't always have to travel the globe to find examples of whatever aspect you are trying to prove. Those Memri translations are very powerful and serve as proof that anti-American sentiment and conspiracy theory propaganda do exist in the Arab/Persian world. The end of the Memri production does suggest a glimmer of hope.

I have close friends who go to the university here, and they have classes with some Iranians and some Muslims. The conversations about global politics are reasonable in many ways, but the Iranians do believe much of the propaganda that Memri suggests.

#100

i always hear this "we ain't gon' live in FEAR" from the Left. which is cool, and the average conservative doesn't live in fear either.

doesn't mean we just forget about this stuff and act like it can't happen again. makes me sick when the Bush administration (or more recently, British intelligence) disrupts a new potential plot and the Left "questions the timing." or says it wasn't a real threat. every. fucking. time.

it's the left wing i'm talking about here, but there's way too much sympathy for that type of shit with mainstream liberals in this country.

"About as common as they are in the US..."

are you serious kid?

there was a good poll here about British Muslims a while back. 40-something% think Arabs "didn't act alone" on 9/11.

but that means what, exactly? i just don't know.

Started to watch, couldn't stomach it. Just want them dead.

My PT told me today he watched the second plane go in from 3 blocks away. I was 20 blocks away and watched from my roof.

Never Forgive, Never Forget: Vengeance.

sorry, i just gotta dissect this.

#107

i dunno 'bout Robertson, but is D'Souza's book even out yet? if he's talking about Western immorality, he's probably just arguing about the Islamic perspective on the West, rather than blaming it.

i recall reading 'bout the book and what i got was that it was a critique of the Western Left in the current situation. it's an incendiary title, but that's not necessarily a reflection of the type of argument he makes.

people can gauge Arab Muslim sentiment through public opinion polls and observing the general political situation in these countries. currently, many Islamic parties enjoy more popular support than secular/moderate rulers in the region. when Hamas wins a solid majority in the territories, are we supposed to go "well, we can't judge, cuz we've never been to Israel?"

there are nonviolent techniques that may lead Muslims to turn away from their current sympathy for Islamism, but to treat soft support as just a minority fringe is delusional. but if it makes you feel good about yourself

# 107 Before you wallow in your chair of smugness, my family and I have recently returned from a "moderate muslim" country. I saw these "esteemed" members of the countries of the ME everyday on TV, and heard their mullahs screeching five times a day from the minarets ringing our compound. I saw the hatred first hand on the "moderate muslim" street. As a woman in that country, I was ridiculed, ignored and yelled at on a REGULAR basis. I saw a young woman beaten by one of your bearded wonders outside a grocery store. When I protested, I was told to shut up and leave things alone. I was also threatened and told to "keep my American nose" out of things which do not concern me. I am a trauma nurse and had a tour of the "progressive downtown hospital" by a Kuwaiti doctor younger than me, who proudly displayed the "special wing" in the outpatient clinic where young muslim girls could have their clitoris' removed in a "clean and sterile enviroment, much better than times of old". Don't you dare to presume to talk to me about the ME. I don't care where you live or what you smoke, they are a danger to our way of life. They are a danger to my sons, you and every non-muslim person on the face of the earth. Wake the hell up!

Twenty minutes is all I could take...

As bad as speeches at the Democrat Convention.

And just about the same amount of truth.

The bottom line is that the left cannot take radical Islam seriously because it distracts them from their true enemy - George Bush.

About the only guy I recognize is the dude from "The Arrival." Are these leaders any more "well respected" than Pat Robertson and Dinesh D'Souza, who both blame Western decadence for the attacks, are on the right?

You didn't answer the question. The whole point of the MEMRI video wasn't to show that all 500 million people think that way (as you said) but to show how pervasive it is. For example, does the average Arab or Iranian think that those people are nut cases, or that they have reasonable cases? As for Pat Robertson's comment, spoken just once, no, that isn't mainstream thinking. You won't see "America is paying for its sins" frequently discussed anywhere in public, particularly not "mainstream media", not even from Pat Robertson himself. As for Dinesh D'Souza, while I respect him a lot, and read his articles whenever I see them, I've never heard such a thing from him. Can you provide a link? Regardless, it's not an outrageous theory. Ultimately it can't be proven or disproven. And more importantly, unless it has any effect on national policy, then it's irrelevant to the nation. The same cannot be said of 9/11 conspiracy theories, which deny that Arab Muslims were behind it, seeking world domination through death and destruction. That has a huge effect if it's believed, because it undermines efforts to fight the enemy.

First of all, why don't you tell me what thinking is "mainstream" in America?

That 9/11 and countless other murderous attacks around the world have been perpetrated by Muslim groups like al Qaeda, and our goal is to stop them. That is believed by virtually everyone, liberal to conservative. Those with contrary ideas are presumed to be out of their minds.

Second, have you ever travelled to an Arab nation? I have; they are fed up with the Mullahs and simply want to live in peace.

That's a non-sequitur, because it has nothing to do with 9/11 conspiracy theories. Regardless, if it were as simple as that, then why the heck aren't they cheering on America, which deposed Saddam and is expending massive amounts of blood and treasure to instill freedom and democracy there?

As someone above noted, the video is too boring for one to see thorugh the end. The point of MEMRI's propoganda is clear: highlight the worst elements of Muslim society.

I watched the whole thing, and didn't find it boring at all. If you have a short attention span, then you aren't qualified to be commenting on world events. This isn't entertainment. Regardless, it's there. You can even jump to the last 10% or so to see it, if you don't want to watch the rest. But it sounds like you've already made up your mind, without watching it.

[Link: littlegreenfo...] "Why We Cannot Rely on Mdoerate Muslims"

[Link: littlegreenfo...] - "Radical Islam is on the rise throughout Europe, and the so-called moderates [so-called...how very Farrakhan of you, Charles - ed.] are playing the role of the enabler"

That we should be suspicious of "moderate Muslims" doesn't mean that all Muslims believe 9/11 was an "inside job". But there is good reason to be suspicious of all Muslims. For example: Their "deafening silence" in speaking out against the Islamists commiting previously unimaginably inhumane acts murder in the name of Islam; and a common belief that government and religion should be one in the same.

""How common do you think that 9/11 consipiracy theories are in the Middle East?""

About as common as they are in the US...see next post.. And that proves what, exactly?

That the MEMRI clips presented reasonable insights to Mid.E. culture, and that those commentators are not regarded as nuts by most Middle Eastern Muslims.

#100 liberality
I lived in NY my whole life till last year
Born and raised in the Bronx

Fuck you asshole

Can you tell now?

My post #117 was in response to #107 by liberality

Charles:

The latest Democratic/Islamist talking point making the rounds of the media

As always, you're right on the money. We MUST continue to shine a light on the symetry (often word-for-word) of the Democratic/Islamist talking points. I propose a new term for the LGF dictionary.. how 'bout "Demoslamist" or "Demoslamic" talking points, etc... Usage: "The Demoslamist minority leader of the Senate said today..." or Demoslamic Jay Rockefeller said that the world would be better off if Saddam Hussein was still in power".

I relinquish all rights and/or coinage to Charles, all lizardoids and/or anyone who may have previously coined the terms "Demoslamist" or "Demoslamic".

huck

"Regardless, if it were as simple as that, then why the heck aren't they cheering on America, which deposed Saddam and is expending massive amounts of blood and treasure to instill freedom and democracy there?"

i should add, with Iraq specifically, that it's pretty disgusting that Shia groups like Sadr's are currently influential forces with the Iraqi govt.

considering the Shiites would have no political power if not for American intervention, you think people like Sadr'd show at least a little restraint.

it's frustrating trying to promote democracy in a country where a good amount of people only view it as a means to establish their own supremacy.

but anyway. i gotta hand it to you, you dissected his BS much better than i did.

Ok, I'm finally at home and I've had a chance to watch the videos. Two things just keep going though my head...

#1. These people are mad. Stark raving mad. Lunatics. They think that Americans would do this to Americans to have a reason to start a war on islam. They are insane. If we had wanted to start a war on islam, we'd have started it the day President Bush took office. ANd if we wanted their oil( btw and fyi) we'd have taken it by now and no one would stop us. A little note to the islamic facists/terrorists out there - You aren't playing with Saddam, or a bunch of rag-tag half-@$$ed soldiers with ancient rifles and camels...you're playing with the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA you bastards and if you continue to attack us you WILL ALL END UP DEAD.

#2. Now I know where the liberals in America got their conspiracy theories. I say, lump the leftists in with the facists and we go to war on them all. Harsh? Sure...but do you WANT TO LIVE IN FREEDOM OR IN BONDAGE?

i'm a little angry right now. God Bless America.
don't forget the troops.
troll, go to &*#&, buddy.

Yes it's slow... it's the only criticism. Ron Silver is awesome. Take 15 minutes out of your life and GO BACK AND VIEW THE VIDEO.

For LGFers, there's nothing new to know, but watch it all the same. It's quite shocking that...

and this is to you Liberality...

high ranking clerics, amins, emirs and sheiks are being filmed and quoted. This is not a fringe element. These people contribute to running their governments. Particularly those govs that are friendly to the U.S.

Their reaction, blaming the Americans and Israelis in these attacks, is being spouted all over the U.S. and it's gaining acceptance. And I suspect that it started here and not there, I can't be sure. Most of the filming in this clip took place in 2004 and 2005. 9/11 conspiracies were being touted much earlier than that from U.S. citizens on websites, but regardless, the evil lie is being perpetuated in places that matter.

So WHO is sullying the good names of Americans? And how great is this country that it allows Americans to sully themselves!

View the last 5 minutes. Most, I think all, of those men are from the UAE. The most liberal of the Arab world. Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Qatar. They said some interesting things. One fellow mentioned how the Arab world is only concerned in destroying and not building. I'm paraphrasing, "Who do they honor? Those who destroy and kill. They should be honoring the man who built the plane and the twin towers!" IOW what the UAE has done. I've heard this before from Arab leaders. Build beautiful buildings (UAE architecture is outstanding) and open yourself to the world. Dubai is 80% expats, meaning only 20% are born and raised. Everyone else is from somewhere else.

No, I don't want to move to Dubai :) but if the rest of the Arab world acted as the UAE, we wouldn't be in this horrible mess. And I'm starting to feel quilty for the port thingy.

#80 frogmarch

1 - the common theme with the conspiracy theories (which match the leftist theories) is that "America had the most to gain with the 9/11 attacks". How? How did we gain anything? What a load of crap.

What we have "to gain" is our deep seated desire to rule the world by annihilating the Arab world. Now where have I heard THAT before? Hmmm...

2. --Initially, Bin Laden was the Middle East hero. But that degenerated into "The Zionists did it."

All I was thinking was, Does Bin Laden know he's been upsurped by Dubya? Oooo wouldn't that just piss him off. I bet he'd blow up a building over it! Oh no wait... the Jews would just get the credit. Or George, take your pick. Poor OBL, He's in one hellofa pickle I'd say.

and i hate to say it, but MEMRI - those were some really SHORT clips of the revisionists.
I would have liked to hear more of the conversations, instead of those little clips of apparent sense. They could have all been followed with a "but..." - but we'll never know I suppose.

Still, I'm a fan of Memri.

#89

You are wrong Jehu. There are a lot of black leaders who break their heads trying to save their communities. They just don't get any air time. And you are wrong to think that the majority of the HUMAN BEINGS that live in those neighborhoods are "animals". Many of them work hard, and try to raise their kids just like the rest of us.

Something that isn't well known, is that before liberalism hit the black community they had a higher marriage rate than the white community.

I suggest you read the works of Thomas Sowell, and Frederick Douglass. You can find the writings of Frederick Douglass online. In fact, everyone should read what he wrote, he was the ultimate American.

But it is true that the black community has been devastated by the plague of leftism.

-ron

Hey Liberality, a look at what you and your party have to be proud of:

On 9/11/01, a day when four airliners were hijacked, two of the world's largest buildings lay in smoking ruins, and U.S. air traffic controllers had to land 4,000 planes in three hours, network anchorman Peter Jennings sneered at the fact that the President of the United States didn't return to the nation's capitol until nightfall.

As newly anointed chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Howard Dean told a radio audience he considered theories that the President of the United States had advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks "interesting."

Congressman John Conyers, who would chair the committee responsible for drawing up articles of impeachment if the Democrats win a House majority in the 2006 elections, presided over a mock trial of the President in which he tolerated "evidence" that 9/11 was planned and executed by Jews.

Senator Jay Rockefeller, this week, denounced the President of the United States for deliberately lying and misleading the nation into the war in Iraq despite the fact that he himself had described Saddam Hussein as an "imminent threat" to the United States (which the President never did), citing intelligence indicating that Saddam was possibly only months away from nuclear weapons (which the President never did).

Former Vice President Al Gore stormed at a partisan crowd that the President of the United States "betrayed us" and subsequently undertook a promotional tour for a book and movie arguing that the greatest current threat to the United States of America is a theoretical climate condition demonstrated by mathematical models in a "science" that has yet to produce a single mathematical model capable of predicting what the climate will do next week.

A former President of of the United States, this week, demanded that a national television network withdraw a miniseries implying that his administration failed to take the threat posed by al Qaida seriously enough to kill or capture its leader when it had the chance, despite this record. Further, his political allies -- supposedly devoted to the inviolability of he First Amendment under all circumstances, including the rawest pornography -- backed up his demand by implying that the network could lose its license to broadcast if the miniseries was aired on national television.

The Senate Minority Leader boasted on network television that his party had "killed the Patriot Act," which permits the federal government expanded powers to investigate terrorist threats, and subsequently claimed -- also on network television -- that America is "less safe" from terrorist attack because of the President's lackadaisical attitude about national security.

The country's major opposition party has continuously derided and scorned the policies of Defense Department Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in particular his determination to invade and reorganize Iraq with too few troops, and this week, published a document calling for his immediate dismissal, a document which also contained as its one military proposal a demand to increase funding for special operations forces; that is, the smallest and most specialized military forces there are.

The mainstream media, led by the prestigious New York Times, have perpetuated a three-year (unfounded, as it turns out) assault on the President of the United States and his staff for exposing an "undercover" CIA operative in retribution for a diplomatic leak by a former ambassador that was itself a lie, arguing that the leak of a CIA operative's identity was tantamount to treason while, at the same time, publishing details of classified intelligence operations which were both legal and effective on the basis that the public's right to know trumps ALL questions of national security.

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The country's major opposition party has refused to publicly and officially condemn the absurd position taken by approximately 33 percent of Americans (some overlap with the 33 percent of Americans who are registered Democrats?) who believe -- in defiance of the voluminously documented evidence to the contrary -- that the 9/11 attack was either planned by the President of the United States or permitted to happen despite complete, detailed knowledge of the plot in advance.

[Link: www.instapunk.com...]

a must read.

#96 liberality 9/11/2006 01:37PM PDT

On the one hand we have your and MEMRI's video cherry picking selections from nations with some 500 million people (of course, they all think alike, MEMRI and LGF says so)

If MEMRI said or implied that "some 500 million people" think alike, I missed it.

For me, the most exciting part of the video was the end, with the reformists. I’d never seen anything like this, and it kindled a small sparkle of hope. Then I watched it again with a friend whose native language is Arabic, and whose judgment I implicitly trust.

My friend said the translations of the "reformists" seemed accurate, but found their words unbelievable. Surprised, I asked why. Referring to Arabs, my friend said: "You can't trust them."

So while I didn't hear MEMRI say they all think alike, indeed some people think so. FWIW.

I got this from LGF a while back: Transatlantic Intelligencer: The Legend of the Squandered Sympathy

#94 freedom rings

Bush, Blair, Olmert
three Corns of one Devil

Lebanon has a lot of French influence from the colonial period. Lots of people there speak some French, probably still more than they speak English. In French the horns of a bull or goat are called les cornes. Ditto for the horns of mythical figures and Satan (I'm not taking a position on whether or not Satan and/or his horns are mythical).The sign is a bit of fractured English -- it should be "three horns of one devil".

Again, more proof that the "Bush squandered the world's good will" meme is a load of CRAP.

Certainly it's true that, five years ago, Tony Blair spoke of standing "shoulder to shoulder" with America, that Iain Duncan Smith (remember him?) echoed him, and that Jacques Chirac was on his way to Washington to say the same.

But it's also true that this initial wave of goodwill hardly outlasted the news cycle. Within a couple of days a Guardian columnist wrote of the "unabashed national egotism and arrogance that drives anti-Americanism among swaths of the world's population". A Daily Mail columnist denounced the "self-sought imperial role" of the United States, which he said had "made it enemies of every sort across the globe".

That week's edition of Question Time featured a sustained attack on Phil Lader, the former US ambassador to Britain – and a man who had lost colleagues in the World Trade Centre – who seemed near to tears as he was asked questions about the "millions and millions of people around the world despising the American nation". At least some Britons, like many other Europeans, were already secretly or openly pleased by the 9/11 attacks.

And all of this was before Afghanistan, before Tony Blair was tainted by his friendship with George Bush, and before anyone knew the word "neo-con", let alone felt the need to claim not to be one.

The dislike of America, the hatred for what it was believed to stand for – capitalism, globalisation, militarism, Zionism, Hollywood or McDonald's, depending on your point of view – was well entrenched. To put it differently, the scorn now widely felt in Britain and across Europe for America's "war on terrorism" actually preceded the "war on terrorism" itself. It was already there on September 12 and 13, right out in the open for everyone to see.

Anti-American sentiment was alive and well prior, during, and after 9/11.
The Bush-haters just instinctively, self-indulgently and childishly blame everything on Bush, and are unable to look into the mirror when it comes to squandered good will.

Link:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Finally catching up on all of the 9/11 material. Actually thought Ron Silver did an excellent job. He is a little known President Bush supporter. I can't imagine that MEMRI was able to pay him anything near what his time was worth. Thanks to MEMRI and Ron Silver. This link/article gives some information on his views.¹
"I'm a 9/11 Republican," he said. "If we don't get this right, all the other things don't matter worth a hill of beans. I'll live to fight another day on health care, environmental concerns and sensible gun legislation. But this is such a predominant issue that it towers above all others, and I'm not certain both parties are capable of handling it the right way."
¹[Link: members.tripod.com...]

One last absurd thought: Osama Bin Ladan, sitting in his cave, wondering when the next 500 pound bomb is going to drop on his head, hears from Muslims, "The Jews did it, who else would be so cunning?" line of thought emanating from the "moderate" Persian Gulf states.

Who is he now calling for attacks upon?

Al-Qaeda has urged Muslims to hit Western interests and said U.S. allies Israel and the Gulf Arab states would be the next targets in a campaign to seal the West's economic doom.¹

And the targeting of Gulf Arab states oil facilities would hurt which country more? The United States, which imports only a small fraction of its oil from the Mid East? Or, the average citizen of the Gulf area who will be deprived of the oil revenue and who thinks that Osama is too dumb to be able to plan and execute a September 11 level of attack? Absurd, I agree.

¹[Link: www.theglobeandmail.com...]