Every single 9/11 hijacker was Arab and a Muslim.

Ding! Ding!

Ditto.

It's refreshing to read, but I hope he's writing under a psuedonym, because people have gotten their hands cut off and their tongues cut out for less than that. :(

Man, does this guy have a death wish or what?

Now if only someone at the White House would actually read the book.

Emilio Karim Dabul,

Thank you for your words. Please continue to speak out against, and if possible inform the authorities who protect us from, terrorist attacks.

stampede at yemen rally kills dozens, mostly children. go islam!

Wow! This is what CAIR and those millions of muslim appologists need to be saying.

Straight talk like this can accomplish a great deal. Hope he keeps safe.

Exactly what the world needs from the "moderate" Muslim or Arab. Now, if there were only 900,000 more like him...

Of course, the telling portion of the thread is: "With all due respect, read the Koran, Mr. President. There’s enough there for someone of extreme tendencies to find their way to a global jihad."

I fear that most Muslims—who don't even have to have "extreme tendencies"—find "enough there" to support global jihad. Unfortunately.

The world needs more Salman Rushdies

Hey, a little late, but.........

IT'S A START!

Another good essay, by Frank Miller

That Old Piece of Cloth

Both of my parents were World War II veterans. FDR-era patriots. And I was exactly the age to rebel against them.

It all fit together rather neatly. I could never stomach the flower-child twaddle of the '60s crowd and I was ready to believe that our flag was just an old piece of cloth and that patriotism was just some quaint relic, best left behind us.

It was all about the ideas. I schooled myself in the writings of Madison and Franklin and Adams and Jefferson. I came to love those noble, indestructible ideas. They were ideas, to my young mind, of rebellion and independence, not of idolatry.

But not that piece of old cloth. To me, that stood for unthinking patriotism. It meant about as much to me as that insipid peace sign that was everywhere I looked: just another symbol of a generation's sentimentality, of its narcissistic worship of its own past glories.

Then came that sunny September morning when airplanes crashed into towers a very few miles from my home and thousands of my neighbors were ruthlessly incinerated -- reduced to ash. Now, I draw and write comic books. One thing my job involves is making up bad guys. Imagining human villainy in all its forms. Now the real thing had shown up. The real thing murdered my neighbors. In my city. In my country. Breathing in that awful, chalky crap that filled up the lungs of every New Yorker, then coughing it right out, not knowing what I was coughing up.

For the first time in my life, I know how it feels to face an existential menace. They want us to die. All of a sudden I realize what my parents were talking about all those years.

To avoid triple posting and getting yelled at by the proprietor:

Link to post on previous thread, with 2 vibrant colors and large font- about uncanny parallels between forecast track of Tropical Depression #8, and two major hurricanes which have hit New York.

WE FOUND ONE !

UNBELIEVABLE !

The famous Muslimus Moderatus !

1,200,000,000 to one...not bad. Not bad.

Hmmmnnnnn..................

water WILL run uphill, it seems.

Good going, Emilio.

God help you.

I salute this man for his courage.

Countdown to fatwa... 3... 2... 1...

Now this, my friends, is a real "moderate" Muslim. Not a Muslim who merely wants to accomplish the overthrow of the government by non-violent means. I commend his courage. (Sad that it needs courage, though.) This is a democrat and a Muslim and I hope for many more like him.

Sometimes a movement can start with a lone voice. Let's hope that his voice is joined by many others. And they're going to need lots of help - especially against the vicious fundamentalists who hate having the obvious hatred and demonization of other religious viewpoints pointed out about their religious beliefs.

Good letter. Yes, this is what I would call a 'moderate muslim' and THIS is what CAIR/MCB, etc should be saying.
Instead this guy's greatest fear will be getting targetted for 'betraying the ummah'.

From the NY Post article...

I reside on New York City's West Bank - New Jersey - not the one near Jerusalem

That got a chuckle...

Dear Mr. Dabul,

God bless you and protect you. Thank you for telling the truth and speaking out.

Kind regards,
Ghengis

He even calls Bush an apologist (which he is to a certain degree). Emilio Karim Dabul has more testicular fortitude than the entire Democratic Party.

Every single 9/11 hijacker was Arab and a Muslim. The apologists (including President Bush) tried to reassure us that 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam, but was a twisting of a great and noble religion. With all due respect, read the Koran, Mr. President. There’s enough there for someone of extreme tendencies to find their way to a global jihad

. If only President Bush would listen to Rick Santorum he gets it..........

....
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a radical Shia. He was put in by the ruling Mullahs, who are also radical Shias. They have a very, very interesting ideology, one that we need to understand. They believe, as all Shias do, in the Hidden Imam, the 12th Imam. I suspect most of you have not heard of the 12th Imam or Hidden Imam. But again, aside my conversation with you today, you'll know, soon. The Hidden Imam or 12th Imam was in the line of Mohammed ... The 12th Imam's name was also Mohammed. He disappeared when he was 5 years old in 874, the Ninth Century. The Shia believe that he is the Messiah and he is in hiding and that he will return. The question is when will he return. Well, what they believe is he will return with radical Islam, when Shia dominates the world. Well, for over 1,000 years, Shias just believed that over time that they would dominate the world, and you see, by the way, 1,000 years of wars in Europe, where Islam was at the border, a bloody border, with Europe. But see, the ayatollahs in Iran, and Ahmadinejad particularly, they believe it is their obligation to bring about the return of [the Hidden Imam]. They believe it is their obligation to conquer the West, to defeat evil, and they will use terror as that tactic. They have an interesting way of doing this. They will use terror as a tactic, the fact that they care not about death. In fact, if you remember when Al-Qaeda bombed the Madrid station that caused the Spainers to pull out of the war on terror, the communiqué from Al-Qaeda was 'You love life, and we love death.' Try to negotiate with those folks

[Link: www.ricksantorum.com...]

'Militants' try to storm U.S. Embassy in Syria

Gunmen repelled at U.S. Embassy in Syria
AP - 22 minutes ago
DAMASCUS, Syria - Armed Islamic militants attempted to storm the U.S. Embassy in a brazen attack Tuesday, the government said. Four people were killed, including three of the assailants. There was no immediate claim of responsibility, but an al-Qaida offshoot group was suspected, Syria's ambassador to the United States said. No Americans were hurt in the attack, in which the militants used automatic rifles, hand grenades and at least one van rigged with explosives.

It would be nice if there were thousands of them speaking the same thing.

Who knows, maybe there are. But the drive-by media only goes to their masters at CAIR for comment.

In my heart I want to belive this....but if this was written by a muslim......he can no longer be a muslim after writing this can he?
think about it.....he basically just said that his religion is a death cult....

so Sir,....with love in my heart for you....get out now, while you can....maybe.

the end of every drought begins with one rain drop but one rain drop does not end the drought.

Emilio Karim Dabul. A MAN welcome at my table anytime.

I actually DO feel a little bit better now.

Only a little bit - Mr. Dabul is only one man - but it's a start. May more of his people start waking up and smelling the coffee.

Mr. Dabul,

Sir, welcome to the United States of America, and the human race.

#27 Owl

he can no longer be a muslim after writing this can he?

Five years of waiting, twenty voyages to the Galapagos, finally I find the Muslimus Moderatus and immediately someone says he's not a Muslimus.

The hard life of a scientist !

Add this fine and courageous fellow to the short list of true "moderate Muslims."

Dear Mr. Dabul,

Thank you very, very much. We appreciate your bravery and honesty. Take care.

Good for Mr. Dabul. He sounds like a really good man and a true American.

Heck of a good piece. I'm going to contact this gentleman and high five the man.

I have GOT to share this quote from the piece:

That history and its corresponding economic devastation is the main reason I reside on New York City's West Bank - New Jersey - not the one near Jerusalem. On my worst day, I'm happy about that fact. I'd rather be here than there, and experience the freedom and boundless opportunities that were mostly unknown to so many generations of my family in the Mideast.

Kudos to New Jersey! Another reason the Garden State is not so bad, after all. Oh, this made me laugh. No offense - I love Cape May!

#33 Ploome Hineni

sure, if my aunt had wheels she would be a bike

This is a conspiracy to drive me insane !
FIRST, the Muslimus Moderatus...BUT if he IS Moderatus is not a Muslimus.

Now the Rotae Aunta.

Next what ? Kerry has been six years in Nam ?

P-L 32

LOL!

All religions have dark corners where people would come away with blood on their hands if they follow the words too closely.. It's a normal part of human nature to create a survival clause in any contract. One between God and mankind is sure to load up on special clauses, so all the stops can come out when the followers feel threatened. Islam has a lot more then other religions seem too, so it's up to them to moderate this problem.. or yes Christians and Jews will start showing their hands in this war too.. and it won't be pretty.. but it's in the Bible / Toran so watch your butts Islamofacists.

Thank you! thank you thank you thank you.
That's all we want.

Oh, now, now - don't lose heart! I was just asking?

I mean how can a man who has the courage and heart to admit that his religious affiliation is with a bunch of death-cult radicals, still remain one of them. So, I'm just askin' - if this guy believes that the Koran says what it does( and what we all know it does), and he knows it( good for him, seriously) then why would you want to still identify himself as a muslim? Maybe a new, reformed muslim? I'll believe that when the killing stops and/or "moderate" muslims take control of their brotherhood.

After reliving 9-11 last night...it's going to take more than one muslim apology to get them off my you know what list. Those that lost their lives to the evil scum that blew up those buildings and hijacked those planes deserve more respect than for us to just roll over and pretend everything is ok now. ( not that I'm saying anyone here is actually doing that to that extent. )

When thousands of them march in the streets in protest to islamic facists.....i'll feel better about them being in America. UNtil then, I'd rather see them all deported - arab, or otherwise.

it's only 9-12-2001 in my heart.

Okay here comes the splash of cold water. Are you sure the writer is Muslim? Are you sure he is not engaging in taquiya? The fine Muslim art of lying through his teeth. This could be a sock puppet of Ibarahim Hooper for all we know.
/man am I a cynic and a skeptic

Brave.

It's very refreshing to read this. I wish him well.

Hope he packs "heat," because he's going to need it. The Islamist will not take kindly to him blowing their multi-cultural cover.

After seeing the videos Charles posted last night at least I can wake up with a smile the next day... If this guy wasn't muslim I'd take him out for a beer

Here's another honorable and moderate muslim who is speaking the truth about islam. His name is Walid Shoebat. A few weeks ago I heard him on a late night radio show and he was incredibly compelling.

[Link: www.shoebat.com...]

People like Walid Shoebat need to be heard.

Bravo. This man is an American!

To clarify #46... cuz he can't drink :p

Emilio Dabul checks out as a freelance PR writer for a NY Public Relations outfit.

Sadly, if the history of the "culture" he scolds holds true to form, this guy and his family will need an alias and a new home.

#47 _remembertonyc 9/12/2006 10:04AM PDT
Here's another honorable and moderate muslim who is speaking the truth about islam. His name is Walid Shoebat. A few weeks ago I heard him on a late night radio show and he was incredibly compelling.

[Link: www.shoebat.c......]

People like Walid Shoebat need to be heard.

Walid Shoebat EX-MUSLIM.....Now a Christian.

47 _remembertonyc

I've heard Mr. Shoebat on video reports online - compelling is the right word. People like him need to be heard by more people.

I don't understand. Why wait 5 years to proclaim yourself a man and an American? This man obviously understands what America is all about, but could not bring himself to embrace her principles for 5 years? What does that say about him?

Rush was reading this earlier. Review of this book has some interesting implications, sure to send the left completely over the edge.

As several people observe throughout the book, jihadists bear a striking resemblance to American student revolutionaries of the 1960s -- overprivileged children who sense they have been coddled and feel compelled to prove their manhood by embarking on apocalyptic ventures to remake the world. With Islam, all this is confounded by a polygamous society where fathers are often distant from their sons and where men and women barely encounter each other as young adults. As Wright observes of Mohammed Atta, the vanguard of the suicide brigade:

Physically, there was a feminine quality to his bearing: He was "elegant" and "delicate," so that his sexual orientation -- however unexpressed -- was difficult to read. . . Atta constantly demonstrated an aversion to women, who in his mind were like Jews in their powerfulness and corruption. [His] will states: "No pregnant woman or disbelievers should walk in my funeral or ever visit my grave. No woman should ask forgiveness of me. Those who will wash my body should wear gloves so that they do not touch my genitals." The anger that this statement directs at women and its horror of sexual contact invites the thought that Atta's turn to terror had as much to do with his own conflicted sexuality as it did with the clash of civilizations.

Walid Shoebats story............[Link: www.behindthebadge.net...]

#51 StorageManager ... thanks for clarifying. I should have said moderate arab.

[Link: www.behindthebadge.net...]

[Link: www.shoebat.com...]

Man, I'm really gonna miss this guy.....

O.T.

Car of the Future?

About 6 minute video, worth checking out. 7 million dollar functional hydrogen fueled electric car, by GM. Will be a reality if we figure out how to extract hydrogen from seawater in an efficient manner, not there yet.

Sounds more like a progressive than a moderate. Moderates seem to be stuck in the Middle Ages.

Mr. Dabul is the best kind of American...

One who understands what liberty is and makes the decision to speak against those who would deny liberty, even at risk to his physical self.

These are the kinds of people that made America great...and these are the people that will make a difference in the war on terror...a difference in the world.

Thank you for being brave, for speaking out, for being a true patriot....

I'm reading everyone's congratulations to him, and I just want to share an honest feeling with you guys -

I feel bad for not trusting him. grunt' and I seem to be nearly alone in our skepticism...but honestly....no matter how bad i feel because i seem to be nearly alone with my take on this, i don't see me changin my mind about it. maybe if I could meet the guy in person and look him in the eye...

My brain wants to give him the benefit of the doubt, but my Spirit is still on high alert for islamic falsehoods.

anyway, there it is...

i hope this guy ( and the others) are legit.

...and sometimes 'man bites dog' -- but I wouldn't count on this sort of courage and honesty becoming the norm. It's pretty apparent to me that "moderate muslims" are virtually indistinguishable from "radical muslims" and that the former support MOST of what the latter do! Why else have they been so silent all these years and why else do they (CAIR being a prime example) regularly stand in the way of our efforts to defeat the BARBARIANS? It's because THEY are BARBARIANS too! When "they" retake their religion from the "extremists" and shut down the madrassas that teach this virulent form of Islam, I will take them seriously! Until then, I wouldn't trust ANY of them any further than I could chuck a "dirty bomb"!

Let's see how many follow the example of Emilio Karim Dabul...

This man owes us no apology.

You see, we believe in personal culpability and responsibility and not that of the hive mind. He should be apologizing for not opening his trap sooner.

#53 maddogg:

I don't understand. Why wait 5 years to proclaim yourself a man and an American? This man obviously understands what America is all about, but could not bring himself to embrace her principles for 5 years? What does that say about him?

Go see the movie "Schindler's List."
Oskar Schindler wasn't a hero at the outset either. He had a slow-motion epiphany.

Emilio Karim Dabul is a freelance writer and PR consultant living in New Jersey.
Doesn't Hezbollah have their own Media Relations Division. Maybe you need to check out whose PR he is doing.

Infidel bloggers Alliance has the story of apostate blogger Isaac Schrodinger, who is up for possible deportation back to Pakistan

To those who worry that this man is alone in his disgust and honesty...

I add the names of several other Muslim moderates, both Shia and Sunni, who have written in support and friendship with America, and at great personal risk.

Zeyad
Alaa
Ali
Mo
Omar
Kurdo

There are others. May I direct your attention to the small box on your right that says "Iraqi Blogs"

These guys get frustrated, they cry out in pain at the danger aand difficulties they face, but they speak out in support of the IDEA of America, day after day. They have faced threats of kidnapping. Lost family members, and still write in support of who WE are.

Go. Read. Please, I encourage you to.

He should be apologizing for not opening his trap sooner

I thought he kinds did when he admitted that he did one thing on 9-11 "nothing".

#43 Just_A_Grunt

That's the double edged sword, if every time a moderate Muslim writes something, and we collectively label it as possible "Taqiyya and kitman" it becomes a catch 22 situation for them to speak out, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I'll listen, but it'll take more than one person, or one moment of clarity to change the idea of the "fabled" moderate Muslim.

Now he has to worry about his safety and how the libs in his office will treat him.

I'm wondering though, this is the first Arab I've seen by the name Emilio.

#63 Owl
It is precisely for those reasons that LGF is the best site on the web. There is not a group think mentality here contrary to what critics of the site may say. Anybody posting here is free to swim upstream every once in awhile.
/yes even nodroG

C'mon gang!

Y'all cry out for the ever elusive, moderate muslim, and when one shows up, you trash him!?!

Get it together.

JWF @73,

My thoughts exactly!

There is a Karim Garcia on the Yanks, I believe. He's a muslim.

When a gorup has been trying for 30 years to kill you a healthy dose of caution is in order when they wave the white flag suddenly.
/unless they are Fwench who have never fought for 30 years anyway.

I wonder just what it was that finally got it was that got Mr. Dabul to come forward like this.

Ever read Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol?" Maybe Mr. Dabul got visited by three ghosts on Ramadan:

The ghost of Islam Past
The ghost of Islam Present
The ghost of Islam Yet to Come

53 maddogg

He says why himself - fear.

The only time I raised my voice in protest against these men who killed thousands of innocents in the name of Allah was behind closed doors, among the safety of friends and family. I did at one point write a very vitriolic essay condemning their actions, but fear of becoming another Salman Rushdie kept me from ever trying to publish it.

#74 Just_A_Grunt,

nodroG SWIMS? ! AAAARRGH! I gotta get teh water turned off at the house! ;) LOL

note to Emilio Karim Dabul;

You observe that;

1) by speaking out with an apology, your life is in danger from those who take the Koran seriously
2) there is enouogh in the Koran for people who take it seriously to wage global violence against non-Muslims
3) this violence emanates from your Islamic culture

I commend you for making these observations.

I submit that these three observations of reality contradict your sentiment that Islam is a great and noble religion.

How do you resolve the contradiction? It appears many in Islam resolve it with denial, adopting conspiracy theory nonsense to explain the many various contradictions, a common human coping mechanism. Apparently, they embrace the Koran, but leave the violence for others to commit. These others, the so-called "extremists" then fully embrace the Koran, fully dividing the world into Muslim and non-Muslim, with "goodness" defined as valid only for Muslims, exactly as commanded by the one and only founder of Islam, Muhammad, whose life as an extremist is not noble, not great.

Still others in your shoes have resolved the contradiction by rejecting Islam. The force of reason, rational, critical thinking drove them to this resolution.

How do you resolve the contradiction, Emilio Karim Dabul, denial, or reason?

read the Koran, Mr. President. There’s enough there for someone of extreme tendencies to find their way to a global jihad.

By making this statement the writer shows he is not a Koran Muslim-I would say a Muslim in name only.

We have to be careful as to how we blow this guy's horn. Bravo to him for belatedly feeling some guilt; however, the Jihadists are watching and listening, and they will be all over Dabul soon, if not already. The greatest thing they fear is that one of their own will start speaking the truth, which fuels us and our war against them. Another brave Islamic soul, Irshad Manji (The Trouble With Islam Today) has spoken out, and has recived many death threats from the ROP. Lets not give them too much ammo for blowing away Dabul.

What you're looking at is someone who's trying to fasten islamic identity to Judeao-Christian values. The result is cognitive dissonance. That's the reason why this is so rare. But he does seem to get it, and provides a model for those who want to bring islam into the modern world, along with Judahism, Christianity, Buddahism, Hunduism, and all of the other peaceful religions of the world.

I'm just not expecting massive numbers to follow him any time soon.

69 Fellay Timi
What I don't understand is how he can be deported to Pakistan when he was born in the USA.

#66 Right Side

Go see the movie "Schindler's List."
Oskar Schindler wasn't a hero at the outset either. He had a slow-motion epiphany.

Thank you, I've seen the movie. I'm not saying the man is insincere, But I'm not ready to slap him on the back and give him my Daughter either. Seems the epiphany was a long time a-comin'.

Where oh where is Killgore_Trout? A feel good moment for ya:-)

JERUSALEM – The attack today against the United States embassy in Damascus was orchestrated by American intelligence to embarrass the Syrian regime and extract political concessions, a senior member of Syrian President Bashar Assad's Baath Party claimed to WND.

"We in the government are 100 percent sure America was behind this attack, which is not the same as other attacks by Islamic groups," said the senior Baath party official, speaking on condition of anonymity

.

At least they didnt blame Israel [Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

60 jehu

Have you looked at the Tesla Roadster? It is in production for next year, I think.

A tip of the cap to Mr. Dabul for his honesty and courage. Good on ya, and please be careful.

76 Murqtaad 9/12/2006 10:21AM PDT

JWF @73,

My thoughts exactly!

There is a Karim Garcia on the Yanks, I believe. He's a muslim.

He's a muslim? I had no idea.

Whatever. Not sure where he plays now; hasn't been on the Yankees in a couple years.

His most notorious moment as a Yankee occurred in the 2003 ALCS Game 3 (Zimmer-Pedro game) when he and Jeff Nelson mixed it up with some clown in the Fenway bullpen.

#79 Sandspur

I don't buy that. See the 2nd ammendment.

Nice, but hardly sufficient. Until there are at least as many Emilio Karim Dabuls who are not willing to merely protest but to kill the murderers in their midst as there are dhimmicide-driven jihadis, we aren't close to the necessary revolution necessary for Islam to join modern civilization.

Until there is a website listing every imams and Mullahs man be seen where each openly renounces the credos of dhimmi, dar al harb, jizya and other dogmas of intolerance, not one whit of courage has been mustered.

Until Muslim mothers are willing to hobble their sons instead of allowing them to become shahids to murder the infidel, the effort of so-called moderate Muslims is statistically insignificant.

Until Saudi Arabia has a tourist bureau encouraging people to view the presumed wonders of Islam in Mecca in curiosity and not under duress, we need to insert "intolerant" before the word "Islam" every time it is used.

Until our leaders can openly assert that any faith professed under duress is inferior to any faith professed under freedom, we aren't yet fully awake enough to prevail in the existential battle against those who'd gladly murder or dhimmify us.

Until we can tell our leaders to STFB or STFU* we are castrated.

No Islam, Know Peace.

Go back to your NFL, NASCAR and Desperate Housewives, folks. Sweet dreams.

*Shut the F***ing Borders or Shut the F*** Up

After a glimpse of Salman Rushdie's girlfriend, being another Salman Rushdie might not be such a bad thing.

ok

one question to the person that wrote this.

why are you still a muslim?

what is it about islam that keeps you as a muslim?

I'm not sure the idea of moderate Muslims is meaningful as far as what must be done, or what Isalm itself must become. Currently you have Muslim countries, such as Egypt, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia with all sorts of Muslims, probably some apostates among them that are sick of the whole thing, but I bet they still go to the Mosque...just from fear.

As long as the Koran exists, and people read that book, and whole nations follow even portions of its precepts, you have a disease base from which pandemics will break out time to time to subjugate all of humanity. We have to get over the idea of dealing with individuals on a scale of Jihadist....to Apostate.

We must see that a lie, or false philosophy, is the root and basis of the problem. There were many Germans that probably detested Hitler and his followers, however they still toiled in munitions factories to support their families, they still died in bombings of those factories.

This is a battle of idealogies, not individuals. This evil idealogy exists and continually, historically, breaks out in the madness of world conquest, until beaten back by men that finally fear for their lives, their countries, their familes, and all these fine and sophisticated arguments mean nothing. Only the defeat of the enemy has meaning or importance. The hope of an internal reform of Islam is a false hope IMO. By definition you cannot reform a falsehood. The reformative forces in Islam ARE the Jihadists. The moderates are the quiescent state of Islam

Islam and its precepts need to be utterly annhilated, (That means, intellectually, economically, militarily, spiritually) make of that what you will, but otherwise we will just coral the beast that will break its bonds yet again, or worse it will eventually extinguish the light of Western Civilization.

#88 storagemanager

"We in the government are 100 percent sure America was behind this attack, which is not the same as other attacks by Islamic groups," said the senior Baath party official, speaking on condition of anonymity

Easy to call BS on this one, everybody knows that if Americans had carried out the attack it would have succeded. These guys need to do a quick review of recent history.

My previous comment. "man be seen" s/b "can be seen"

#85 sandspur

I think he was born in Pakistan

95 wargammer2005 9/12/2006 10:39AM PDT

ok

one question to the person that wrote this.

why are you still a muslim?

what is it about islam that keeps you as a muslim?

Hate to pick nits, but that's two questions.

The only safe Muslim is an apostate Muslim.

Emilio Karim Dabul a Martin Luther for Islam? we need allot more "Emilios".

JammieWearingFool

but they both should have the same answer

#96 jehu

Most people need Jack Nicholson to explain their limitations with the truth.

Every single 9/11 hijacker was Arab and a Muslim. The apologists (including President Bush) tried to reassure us that 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam, but was a twisting of a great and noble religion. With all due respect, read the Koran, Mr. President. There’s enough there for someone of extreme tendencies to find their way to a global jihad.

WOW.
GOD BLESS YOU!

What a man!

/Emilio Karim Dabul, my first Arab swoon.....

Bravo!

It doesn't appear to be a pseudonym, and he's googlable. Hope he stays safe...

To razorwire or Not to razorwire

Right Side

The ghost of Islam Yet to Come

Reading that sent icy chills down my spine.

*brrrrrr*

What happenin Miss Trixie!

#71 Owl:

I thought he kinds did when he admitted that he did one thing on 9-11 "nothing".

Just caught that, my apologies.

sandspur 89

Yes I saw something on T.V. or maybe the internet a few weeks ago. Funny how environmentalists never consider that advances in technology, many times answer problems of harm to the environment. Yet many of their actions serve to cripple technological development.

Last night I saw a Frontline special on pbs called Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero. It was 2 hour show composed of interviews done after 9/11. It is an extremely powerful show dealing with faith, the nature of evil, athieism, doubt. Interviews are with survivors, those left behind, religious leaders and others not personally touched. It received extremely good reviews.

It may be repeated on your pbs station this week as it will be in the Chicago area.

There is a website with some transcripts, full interviews, etc. Here is one interview:
[Link: www.pbs.org...]

I was extremely moved. I think you will be also. Everyone's religion can have two faces. One face of Islam is represented by the man in this thread; the other was represented by the terrorists.

102 Pamela 9/12/2006 10:42AM PDT
Emilio Karim Dabul a Martin Luther for Islam? we need allot more "Emilios

with all due respect....I hope not.....RE: Martin Luther Sola scriptura.......

Question: "What is sola scriptura?"

Answer: Sola scriptura are from the Latin: "sola" having the idea of "alone", "ground," "base," and the word "scriptura" meaning "writings" - referring to the Scriptures. Sola scriptura means that Scripture alone is authoritative for the faith and practice of the Christian. The Bible is complete, authoritative, true. "All Scripture is 'God breathed' (given of inspiration of God) and is profitable for teaching, reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16).

He believed in Scripture alone.....Thats the problem with Islam...Muslims believe that filthy evil book the koran.

That apology isn't nearly enough...he's just one guy.
We need them ALL to denounce this activity.
Until they do, all mooslims are my sworn mortal enemy.

It's fine that this individual has written what he did, and it doubtless took a fair amount of courage. But that doesn't change the fact that the well publicized anti-terrorism protest in Washington a few months back drew about fifty people. The only protests in the US which have drawn Muslims in the thousands have been those supporting Hezbollah and condemning Israel.

And I agree with some others here that there is no such thing as a moderate believing Muslim, emphasis on believing. If they believe the basic teachings, then they believe that Islam and sharia should rule over all.

No man's law above Allah's law. If they don't believe that, then they're apostates to some degree.

Does this bother anyone but me?

Dum, dee-dum dum!
Dum, dee-dum dum DUUUUUUM~

Iran: Ahmadinejad Declares Ties With Iraq 'Excellent'

Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad today pledged to help authorities in neighboring Iraq to stabilize their country. Ahmadinejad made the pledge after talks with visiting Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki. Al-Maliki arrived in Tehran today for his first official two-day visit to Iran. He is accompanied by a high-level delegation that includes several cabinet members and lawmakers. The Iraqi prime minister's visit was originally due to begin on September 11, but was postponed for "technical reasons."

Al-Maliki was officially welcomed in Tehran today by Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad. Both sides held their first round of talks on undisclosed topics. Following the talks, Ahmadinejad described ties with Iraq as "excellent" and added that they will remain that way.

[SNIP]

If you fear for this man's safety now that he expressed quite revolutionary ideas... has anyone got a spare gun and ammo? Time to teach him how to use weapons?

Yes, that's New York, but I gather that possessing a firearm for home defense is allowed.

I'm going to give this man the benefit of the doubt and commend him for speaking out. It does take courage, considering the climate in that death cult.

Remember that there are women, Muslims and ex-Muslims, who started speaking out loudly and insistently several years ago: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Irshad Manji, Nonie Darwish, and Ayan Hirsi Ali. It has been strange that the men have been so slow to wake up and take action.

Anyway . . . I understand the skepticism of some here but it would not be fair to place these Muslims in a damned-if-you-do and damned-if-you-don't situation. Let's encourage their outspokeness. I won't get too excited by one or two male Muslims coming out, but hopefully it will lead to thousands and perhaps even some marching in the streets. Whatever. I look forward to that possibility.

Three Ex-Terrorists

Righteous Arabs and Muslims

Apostates of Islam

I read earlier today the Clintons hacks were gloating over football beating Path to 9/11 in the ratings. Considering the hype for football, it shouldn't surprise anyone.

Well, they'll be silent now. From Drudge:

FLASH: ABC 'PATH TO 9-11' TOP RATED SHOW OF MONDAY NIGHT... 8.3 RATING/12 SHARE FOR ABC MOVIE, BEAT 'CSI: MIAMI' RERUN [6.8/11] AND NBC 9-11 'DATELINE' [3.7/6]... DEVELOPING...

In other promising news:

ANTICIPOINTMENT: CBS 'EVENING NEWS' WITH COURIC KNOCKED TO 3RD IN MONDAY ROMP; NBC 'NIGHTLY' TAKES BACK TOP SPOT WITH 5.8 RATING/11 SHARE, IN OVERNIGHT METERED MARTS, AFTER COURIC DEBUT WEEK DRAMA... ABC 'WORLD' FINISHED SECOND MONDAY WITH 5.7/11 SHARE TO CBS COURIC 5.4/10... DEVELOPING...

Maybe she can have Rush do a nightly spot...

how does Maliki feel about the state of Israel?-no surpise there

116 BabbaZee 9/12/2006 10:50AM PDT
Does this bother anyone but me

Yes I posted a few times about al-Maliki and the Dawa party......

My understanding is that Nuri al-Maliki was the bureau chief of the Dawa cell in Damascus in the 1980s. He must have been closely involved with the Iraqi Dawa in Beirut, which in turn was intimately involved in Hizbullah. I am not saying he himself did anything wrong. I don't know what he was doing in specific, other than trying to overthrow Saddam, which was heroic. But, did they really think he was going to condemn Hizbullah and take Israel's side?

[Link: hnn.us...] .The Islamic Dawa Party [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] .Iran rules Iraq

As an addendum to my 96 post

We must see that a lie, or false philosophy, is the root and basis of the problem. There were many Germans that probably detested Hitler and his followers, however they still toiled in munitions factories to support their families, they still died in bombings of those factories.

We did not kill all Germans, or outlaw Germans, we did however outlaw NAZISM...but strangely just from Germany, yet allow its expression on our soil because of Constitutional protections. I find it telling that in an all out war...life or death, we understood what we were up against in fighting both Germany and Japan...we destroyed the idealogy that existed in both countries that produced a possible world-killing disease.

Yet we have not yet engaged to that level in this current conflict. And we are perhaps naive enough to think our Constitution will serve as a prophylactic to radical Islam on our shores, because it did serve as such against facism, and other isms?

But now something new has been added to the mix, in that multi-culturalism has punctured the condom, and the HIV of Islam has access to the bloodstream.

Roger 104

heh!

Al-Dawa was formed in the late 1950s by a group of Shi'ite leaders, with Muhammad Baqr al-Sadr, the uncle of Muqtada al-Sadr, playing a prominent role. It was created to combat secularism, communism, and Baathist Arab socialism, which were then ascendant in Iraq. While founded and led by Shi'ites, it worked closely with Sunni Islamic groups, and a significant minority of the group's members were Sunnis. Al-Dawa rose to prominence in the 1970s, when it waged an armed campaign against the Iraqi government. In this period it also interacted with the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the future spiritual leader of Iran, during his exile in Najaf in Iraq. It supported the Islamic Revolution in Iran and in turn received support from the Iranian government, especially during the Iran-Iraq War. Despite this cooperation, al-Sadr's and Khomenei's visions of an Islamic Republic differed sharply in certain respects. While Khomeini

argued the power of the state should rest with the ulema, al-Dawa supported the notion of power resting with the ummah. This disagreement was one factor that led to the formation of SCIRI as a separate group from al-Dawa.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

76,

I don't think Karim Garcia is a Muslim. I know he was born in Mexico. As far as I know, the only Muslim to play in the big leagues was "the Arab Jackie Robinson", Sammy Khalifa.

[Link: sammykhalifa.8m.com...]

May his words be heard. I've sent this to my moonbat parents, who strongly object every time I use the words "fascist" and "Islam" in the same sentence.

One day the whole muslim world will be asking God to forgive their sins of shedding the blood of his children. Those children are the Christians and Jews who have Been called to him through Abraham or through Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God.

Repent islam. Hear the commandment: Thou shalt not do Murder.

#120 JammieWearingFool 9/12/2006 10:56AM PDT

I read earlier today the Clintons hacks were gloating over football beating Path to 9/11 in the ratings. Considering the hype for football, it shouldn't surprise anyone.

And they're forgetting all the talk or buzz their childish attempts to have it censored created. All the buzz before during and after the showing will gave this thing several fold the impact it would have had if they'd simply kept quiet.

Mr. Dabul, thank you for your words and for taking a stand. I hope your example will help others find the strength to speak out.

But sir - please understand if we are a bit hesitant to embrace you immediately. It took you 5 years to find the courage to speak out; after 5 years of atrocities, it will take time for us to fully believe your sincerity. We may want to believe you, but the acts we have witnessed over the past few years have turned us into skeptics.

If you truly love freedom, we welcome you to the ranks of her defenders.

Moderate Muslims
Okay, they're not that rare. But they are much too few.

To Emilio Karim Dabul I say thank you. To those who spoke up at the end of yesterday's MEMRI video I also say thank you.

But it's long overdue that these individuals gather their own support among their people and take a stand in making real changes to Islam. Until Islamic clerics speak like Emilio Karim Dabul there will be a steady flow of anti-freedom jihadis and the moderate muslim will be a rarity.

Show me a true million man march somewhere by muslims in protest of muslim jihadis. Then maybe it will get my attention.

Kudo's to you Mr. Dabul for trying.

JWF,

Yeah, according to wiki, Garcia is a muslim.

& I thought the only clowns in the Yankee's bullpen wore pinstripes....

zing!

We've now seen the phrase Rove Did It taken to the extreme.

Man Accused of Fraud Blames Karl Rove

Attorneys for a man accused of fraud say he was charged at the behest of presidential adviser Karl Rove in retaliation for a flood of spam e-mails sent to a campaign Web site. A federal prosecutor says the claim is "absurd."

Assistant U.S. Attorney David M. Siegal urged U.S. District Judge Laura Taylor Swain on Monday to reject arguments that Rove caused the criminal investigation that led to charges against Robert McAllister.

Siegal said lawyers for McAllister made the "patently absurd argument that the U.S. attorney's office in the Southern District is a shill for Karl Rove and has arrested and indicted their client in some sort of vindictive retaliation."

McAllister's lawyer Gerald L. Shargel said Monday he plans to try to call Rove as a witness, if the court allows it.

Shargel, BTW, is a mob attorney.

#120 JammieWearingFool 9/12/2006 10:56AM PDT

I read earlier today the Clintons hacks were gloating over football beating Path to 9/11 in the ratings. Considering the hype for football, it shouldn't surprise anyone.

Any word on their response to CBS news once again being the bottom feeder in spite of Perky katie?

Maybe he knows something we don't know, like the world is supposed to end today....September 12, 2006. Nice blogging with you all. See ya in the plume! (not ploome)

[Link: yisraylhawkins.com...]

#134 jamie Wearing Fool

Assistant U.S. Attorney David M. Siegal urged U.S. District Judge Laura Taylor Swain on Monday to reject arguments that Rove caused the criminal investigation that led to charges against Robert McAllister.

I hate judges with three names. They don't exactly seem to be the most rationale.

133 Murqtaad,

I don't see any reference to Garcia being Muslim in Wikipedia:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

well if emilio is real, kudos to him. and if he is real and from New Jersey, he'd better keep a distance from certain neighborhoods in the Jersey city and Paterson areas...the fanatic muslumps in those hoods will be using this guys head for a bowling ball if they catch him.

/not sarcasm either

Abu Maven,

Looks like your right. The ever evolving wiki had once posted Garcia under "List of muslim athletes". He is no longer listed. Khalil Greene of the Padres is Bahai, btw.

Well, all I can say is It's about Time! Now we just need the get the other 6-8 million on board and we'll be on our way to really winning the GWOT.

131 PDM 9/12/2006 11:03AM PDT
Moderate Muslims

I love it!

OT:

cycle-of-violence cautionary studies:
helmets may contribute to crashes
Cycle helmets may raise risk of accidents

I thought the Kurds were mostly all Muslim including Mashood - the Lion of Panjier.

These people were welcoming to our troops - and we have friends, who after dismantling a terrorist training camp, drove into Masul and were greated with flowers by the people.

They have also produced those great "Thank You America" commercials.

Read a very interesting group of facts here at
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

What's going on Babba? Jerry Garcia is a Muslim? I thought he was Dead?

#142 BabbaZee ...did you see this part of my post?.............

Al-Dawa was formed in the late 1950s by a group of Shi'ite leaders, with Muhammad Baqr al-Sadr, the uncle of Muqtada al-Sadr, playing a prominent role. It was created to combat secularism, communism, and Baathist Arab socialism, which were then ascendant in Iraq.

#81 neverpayretail

There is a moderate school of thought in Islam that separates Mohammad, the prophet, from Mohammad, the ruler and military tactician. This theory holds that Mohammad was just a man, albeit a prophet of God, who lived in a time of warring tribes. He had to be very stern as a ruler to maintain control. He did not bother God with every trivial issue and made judgements on his own. By 7th century standards, his rule was not particularly barbaric.

The Koran was pieced together by his followers after his death, so Mo wasn't around to say what came from him and what came from God. The moderate school of thought therefore disregards many of the references to violence and contends that Islam can adopt modern and democratic values.

#142 BabbaZee,

The Truth is Out There! :)

#96 jehu

Awesome post! I agree 100%.

In the

It's only free speech if you agree with them

Department:

Christian Faces Trial Over Bible-Based Pamphlets

By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com International Editor
September 12, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - Evangelical Christians in Britain are concerned about the prosecution of a protester who was arrested at a homosexuality rally while disseminating leaflets quoting the biblical view about homosexuality.

Stephen Green, who heads a small but active lobby group called Christian Voice, is scheduled to appear before a Cardiff court on September 28, after pleading not guilty to a charge of "threatening, abusive or insulting behavior."

Although some Christian Voice campaigns and tactics have caused unease among some Christians, Green on this occasion won support.

[SNIP]

does anyone has access to British ....

i need some information.... if someone can get this info..... nearly 170 to 140 yrs back, what type of lubricant does britishers used to grease the gun cartridges.

Israel was also a colony of Britishers...Perhaps a answer can also be found by Israelis....

too much important.... Please.... Perhaps i am too close to solve a great mystery...

I'd like to thank Emilio Karim Dabul for his courageous stand.
I think when most muslims come to think like himself, the middle east will become democratic and prosperous.
For those who think that there is something inherintly evil in Islam, my view (and hope, though I have no 100% proof so far) is that such people are mistaken. There were times in history when Judaism and Christianity were very aggressive, but over the years they developed many restraining mechanisms that put some separation between religion and politics. Muslims should do the same.

PDM, LOL

Yea, problem is we need an electron microscope to see it!

#136 So?

I'm not quite ready for that. I still have forms I need to fill out, bills to pay and projects to complete.

Does it have to be today?

#116 BabbaZee

Al-Maliki must have confirmed the Jews need to be pushed into the sea.

140 Murqtaad,

Yeah, particularly given that Garcia's first name is "Gustavo." So neither his first nor last name is Muslim. Only the middle name.

Plus, I've never seen any press about him being Muslim. I have, however, read articles about Khalil Greene's Bahai faith.

The Jews did need to be pushed into the Sea of Reeds.

#146 storagemanager
Yes ~
I have been running web searches for more info....
Thanks, Storage!

I appreciate the sentiment, BUT, where were you before 9/11, when terrorism, mainly in Israel, was considered just a nuasance?

#155 Roger
At least!

#157 zenbone 9/12/2006 11:16AM PDT
The Jews did need to be pushed into the Sea of Reeds.

To be free from Pharoah.

#145 zenbone 9/12/2006 11:12AM PDT
What's going on Babba? Jerry Garcia is a Muslim? I thought he was Dead?

LOLOLOL!

That bad bad Murky, starting rumors!
I have not a clue, all I know is he's dead, and I know I was never a fan of his, and the ones that were fans of his at my school when I was a kid hated me!

BabbaZee

Right but don't tell me that Jerry Garcia is a Muslim.

OT but funny:

Saddam today accused the prosecution in his trial of being tools "for the Zionists and Iran."

I laughed so hard I started coughing.

#158 BabbaZee 9/12/2006 11:17AM PDT
#146 storagemanager
Yes ~
I have been running web searches for more info....
Thanks, Storage

The links back to al-Sadr and Khomeini might prove that Nouri al-Maliki is a Twelver waiting for the 12th Imam...Scary thought. [Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

3 Murqtaad 9/12/2006 11:05AM PDT

JWF,

Yeah, according to wiki, Garcia is a muslim.

& I thought the only clowns in the Yankee's bullpen wore pinstripes....

zing!

They wear the road grays when they do the Beantown beatdowns.

#116 BabbaZee

It's extremely tough to draw conclusions from the diplomacy between Iran and Iraq. The two counties were of course going to have such relations, and other countries that have an agreement with Iran to "fight terrorism" and for other reasons include: Turkey, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tunisia and Kuwait. So the actual existence of the relation is not a surprise in any sense.

Two issues can work in the US's favor: efforts by Iran to claim authority over the newly-liberated from Saddam Shia populations in Iraq may not be accepted and the US may find itself more in a position to demonstrate to the Iraqis and Sunni Arab states the meddling of Iran.

At any rate I think Abizaid, at least from what he has said about Iran's efforts in Iraq, and the other US Generals such as Casey are aware of the relationship and its potential problems. Personally, I would agree with Kristol and Lowry that more US troops in Baghdad could provide a key ingredient to stabilizing Iraq, contrary to Iran's intentions. [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Harvard Law School's William Stuntz recently made the core point powerfully: "The territory over which we fight is among the most strategically important in the world. Victory will place the most dangerous regime on the planet, Iran's fascist theocracy, in serious peril. Defeat will leave that same regime inestimably strengthened. If there is any significant possibility that the presence of more American soldiers on the ground would raise the odds of success, not putting those soldiers on the ground is a crime."

Administration spokesmen have jettisoned talk of "staying the course" in Iraq in favor of "adapting to win." If those words are to have meaning, the administration can't simply stay the course on current troop levels. We need to adapt to win the battle of Baghdad. We need substantially more troops in Iraq. Sending them would be a courageous act of presidential leadership appropriate to the crisis we face.

Right, our military leadership have sounded extremely good and knowlegdable about what we need to do to win, and fortunately they are aware that we are talking abount an long, hard fight. Now we need to see them act on that knowledge.

Abu Maven,

Apparrently, whoever listed him in wiki as muslim did so soley based upon his name..... another reason not to believe everything you read there.

I just put his name, Karim, and his retard behavior in the bullpen together and it = muslim. A little fuzzy math. Not hard to believe when I saw him listed.

#144 DistantThunder

Ahaha HA

But gentically speaking, it seems the Kurds are MOT

(BTW Saddam also thought this, and persecuted thim in particular for it)

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

[Link: www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...]

zenbone

Right but don't tell me that Jerry Garcia is a Muslim.

The Horror
The Horror
The Horror

#163 zenbone 9/12/2006 11:21AM PDT

BabbaZee

Right but don't tell me that Jerry Garcia is a Muslim.

I didn't tell anyone that!
He may have been an asshole, but not a Muslim asshole, far as I know....

JWF,

They wear the road grays when they do the Beantown beatdowns

.

The groundskeeper should at least have had Groundskeeper Willy with him, or a bat... something to even the odds. IRregardless, Garcia was a goon. I think he's in Japan now.

Mossad agent?

Not sure if these essays have been noted or posted. Robert Silbey is one of the best writers for the Ottawa Citizen and he had written three essays concerning terrorism, the dark side of multiculturalism and some very good analyis on why the democratic west want to kill themselves. Absolutely riveting and they are a little long, but take the time to read them and to pass them along. You won't be sorry.

Saturday's essay: The Age of Terror; The Age of Illusion

Sunday's essay: The Dark Side of Multiculturalism

and finally, Monday's Essay: The West's Choice: Courage or Collapse

JammieWearingFool #134:

WOW! I know Gerald Shargel very well! He was a professor of mine! He did represent John Gotti, that's true.

Anyway, overall, the Arab's Apology is good news. I hope it is the start of more like it...but I am not holding my breath.

A true moderate Muslim does not say "terrorism is wrong, but it's justified because of XYZABC." A true "moderate" says that NOTHING justifies terror and torture of civilians.

But I have to agree with Oriana Fallacci here...the true terror, anyway, is not the physical act of planes going into buildings. The true form of terror is how the radical Islamists seek to change who we are as a nation.

I refuse to give in, and I am happy that I see one more ally.

gaby 152

For those who think that there is something inherintly evil in Islam, my view (and hope, though I have no 100% proof so far) is that such people are mistaken. There were times in history when Judaism and Christianity were very aggressive, but over the years they developed many restraining mechanisms that put some separation between religion and politics. Muslims should do the same.

In matters of spirit, or religion, the source is all important. Judaism has as a source Abraham, to Jacob, to the codification under Moses. Christianity has Christ and the 1st generation of Apostles and martyrs.

Islam has a epileptic, half-literate, immoral, murderor and pedophile. He personally murdered several people, and started wars, he produced a book while in trances...all the indcations of demon possesion.

Islam is evil from its inception. Even if it did not have a history of conquest by the sword and decimations of whole civilizations AND genocides...it would still be evil to its core because of the character of its founder. A river does not rise above its source.

Christianity can, and did reform, because it was possible to return to the original intent and meaning of its founders. Islam becomes worse the more it follows its founding documents.

167 Yank in the EU
Thanks for the response and the link.
I will read more on this.
But right now it sure smells like feet to me.

/Ahahaha western fools, we will use you till we don't need you anymore and then hold hands with Iran against you.... Thanks for deposing Saddam he was a big impediment to this lovely partnership.... all hail the Caliphate!

#165 storagemanager
Thanks for that link!

#177 BabbaZee ...anytime babbazee ..I am just happy someone else now sees the direct link between Iran and Iraq and is as worried as I am.

One of those mythical moderate Muslims stands up to be counted.

The world needs more Salman Rushdies

No we don't. I bought that book because of the fatwa but it was a peice of crap. That man couldn't write his way out of a paper bag with a sharp pencil. The rest of his books weren't much better.

#60 jehu

Thanks for the video link. The host dude was right, that is the future of the car. That much energy from a hugely abundant, non-polluting source WILL be the future. I also liked the versatility of the chassis.

If they can make it FAST, it will sell like hotcakes and the need for Islamic and Venezualan oil will cease to exist. But, if they can't make it fast, no one will want one.

178 storagemanager 9/12/2006 11:31AM PDT
#177 BabbaZee ...anytime babbazee ..I am just happy someone else now sees the direct link between Iran and Iraq and is as worried as I am

It also put iran closer to Saudi Arabia a long time goal of Iran.....Mecca

I've debated with Iron Fist many times on the existance of moderate Muslims. He believes they don't exist. I do.

He's often wondered where they were and why they didn't speak out. I believed they were afraid of the very people perpetrating this violence.

Iron Fist has said it is a violent religion. He also says it is a political idiology. I've agreed that it is violent, but not that it is a religion. I believe it is a cult. And I agree with him on the idiotology part too.

For what it's worth, this small, and very late apology proves they do exist, and that my belief that fear of their own kept them silent.

We need more to speak up. I hope this is the trickle through the dam. I hope it grows and breaks through to flood the land of Islam with truth.

I won't hold my breath, but it is a flicker of hope.

Islam: The Abomination that Causes Desolation

I've debated with Iron Fist many times on the existance of moderate Muslims. He believes they don't exist. I do.

Count me in on the 'they do exist" list please. I know many of them myself.

#183 BabbaZee 9/12/2006 11:35AM PDT
Islam: The Abomination that Causes Desolation

Yes....The Beast that hates the Whore.

#178 storagemanager
Oy, vat, me vorried?

/uh-huh!

#5 Pat

The people in the White House have read the book, but cannot come right out and say that Islam is a violent religion. President Bush is getting closer to it as more time passes and more support from the Muslims themselves bolsters his position.

The President must walk a fine line with his public comments, but don't kid yourself, he knows what he is dealing with.

Skippy,

I won't hold my breath, but it is a flicker of hope.

Good idea. While I believe this man is courageous, I doubt many if any will follow.

Who's next for the fatwa?

ULULULULULULULULULULU~

We issue a Bongtwa on the whole of Koslam!
~ The Ganjahadeen

See you guys later
thanks again

#47 _remembertonyc

So glad you gave the link to Walid Shoebat. I too heard him on three different talk radio programs. He is compelling and listening to him actually gave me hope that radicals can change.

He and another 'reformed' terrorist were slated to speak at a ME symposium at Princeton, but when the organizers realized their message was anti-terrorist, they canceled them. BUT, of course, the actual terrorists on the panel were not canceled.

Shoebat's 180 from terrorism to a man of peace was the real reason Princeton cancelled them: both he and his fellow speaker converted from Islam to Christianity.

Let's see 99% of muslims claim they are peace-loving moderates Vs. 1% who are Jihadi terrorists.

I think if all "moderate muslims" banded together and began to speak out as Emilio Karim Dabul did in the New York Post: or if every moderate muslim just read this article and then stood hand-in-hand against the extremists, there would be no fear. And most probably many of them know who these extremists are in the USA and should inform the authorities. It's time for muslims to clean house, way over due, but better now than never.

If you are a true moderate muslim and Afraid for your life, I think you should first consider what has happened to your religion. Either fight for it and risk death... (I doubt that would happen if the 99% ganged up on the 1%)

It's time to send a message like one poster wrote: the million-muslim march. There should be one in every country around the world every few months...until Al Jazeera gets the message. and broadcasts it to the muslim world.

/don't forget the world ends today, (see previous post) stock up on vodka or scotch

Azar Nafisi, from Iran but now in America (teaches at Johns Hopkins here in Baltimore, author of Reading Lolita in Iran), said this in an interview:

David Brancaccio: I want to fully understand your attitude toward Islam. You talk about, you find wearing the veil offensive to you. But what about the notion of Islam itself?

Ms. Nafisi: You know, I think today, and that again is why Iran is so important. I think Islam is in a sense, in crisis. It needs to question and re-question itself. And it is undergoing-- a period of turmoil and crisis, because it is in this process of transition.

Now, the point about religion is that this religion is going to undergo transformation. And you see many of the clerics and religious people in Iran discussing it, and being self-reflective and self-critical.

What I'm saying is that if you live in a country which the majority of people are Muslim, that doesn't mean that there should be one version of Islam, and that no other version should be practiced. People talk about Islamic democracy. I don't understand it. It's like saying Christian democracy, Judaic democracy. There is only one form of democracy which protects the life and the right of all citizens. To worship, to realize their fullest potentials.

In my country, that right is taken away from us.

Source - PBS interview. Transcript.

She has also described life in Iran as like "having sex with a man you loathe."

Something Ms. Nafisi writes about that is important - there are a lot of people in Iran who love America for its freedom - we are a beacon of hope to many people in Iran. Let's not forget that.

I think its ironic that Emilo Dabul works for in PR. If any organization in the world needs a good PR guy, hmm. And I have to note he displayed exemplary courage signing his name to that letter, seeing as a web search returns his office phone number.

Good on Emilo. Oh for his to be the prevailing opinion of Arabs in the world.

#184 Judith

I believe the moderate and conservative muslims are going to have to confront their own faith as well as its teachings before this is over.

But, then again, so do some Christians. We don't have violence at the core of our teachings, but what the church (or should I say, some who claim to be Christian) does sometimes in the name of Christ... breaks my heart. Still, it can hardly be compared with what the Wahabis and jihadis, and islamofacists are doing and believe. That is unless you want to go back to the days of the Klan... in that case you are picking fruit off the same tree.

180 surfer dude

No problem making an electric car fast, the problem right now is finding a process to extract hydrogen from seawater. I think it is actually more economical to extract hydrogen from petroleum stocks or natural gas. But that does nothing to get us away from oil. Through electrolysis we can seperate oxygen and hydrogen from water, but the cost of generating the electricity is more than the gain from burning the hydrogen, or using it in fuel cells.

Now the application of solar and wind power to provide the electricity for electrolysis has some promise, or perhaps as yet unknown catalysts can make the process more efficient. Once that nut is cracked...I think the economy will shift from petroleum to hydrogen...and watch Islam and the Arab world shrink back down to the unimportance they deserve.

Fuel of the Future?

including Arab-Americans like myself,

I wonder of Emilio Karim Dabul is Muslim. His first name doesnt sound muslim.

In his letter he apologises as an Arab-American and not as a Muslim. The Jihad on the Infidel world is being waged by Muslims, some of them Arabs.

Arab-Americans in the US are mostly Christians, and have no need to apologise.

While they may be relatively rare, there are certainly wise and moderate Muslims. However, Sharia law and culture gives them no honor and no power. After all, the wisest is only a human, the the Koran is the word of Allah. Sociologically, the west has almost always given leadership to one or another kind of meritocracy, where Islamic culture has been hostage to its own violent and insane since the beginning.

It looks like some of the little gulf states are *trying* to come up with a modern culture. Maybe even the Sauds are creeping in that direction. But quietly, too quietly, and they seem still to be compelled with insane hatred of Israel, which pretty much pulls the plug on any claims to rationality they might otherwise have.

Five years. Five years of America dealing with terrorism a different way: by introducing freedom and democracy.

The fruits of our labor are finally beginning to form. This appology is the beginning.

I appreciate it for what it is. A symbol that this person is not as afraid as he was five years ago.

That ability to be honest and responsible is to be applauded and appreciated.

The oppressed are becoming brave. Initially by purple-inked fingers, now this.

Thank God. Thank President Bush for having the forsight that bringing democracy and the rule of law to the middle east is the only lasting solution to the cancer of terrorism.

Thank God!

Thanks Emilio Karim Dabul for the correct assessment.

Democracy vs. Victory: Why the "Forward Strategy of Freedom" Had to Fail

By Yaron Brook

After Sept. 11 the Bush administration declared that we must go on a mission to bring freedom to the Middle East nations that threaten us; thus, the Forward Strategy of Freedom. According to this strategy, establishing democracies in key Muslim countries, starting with Afghanistan and Iraq, would spur a revolution in the rest of the Muslim world—a revolution that would bring free, pro-Western, anti-terrorist governments to power.

But the strategy has failed. With the rise of the religious Shiites in Iraq, of Hamas and of Hezbollah, and with the electoral victories of Islamic radicals elsewhere in the Middle East, the Muslim world has grown more militant.

Why has the Forward Strategy of Freedom failed, and why was failure inevitable? What are the flaws inherent in the strategy? How does it necessarily undermine victory? What motivates it and what strategy should replace it? These are the questions Dr. Brook will address in this talk.

THIS EVENT IS FREE TO THE PUBLIC.

Tuesday, September 12, 2006

Hyatt Regency Irvine (map)
17900 Jamboree Road
Irvine, California
$6 for self-parking, $10 for valet

Bookstore opens: 6:30 PM
Presentation: 7:30 PM to 8:30 PM
Q & A: 8:30 PM to 9:30 PM

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

hey look! IT'S KARL ROVE'S FAULT!

# 195 jehu

# 180 surfer dude

Ya'll might find this interesting.

#196

Muslim is a religion, Arab an ethnic background.

Capitalism defeated Bin Laden

Al-Qaeda failed; West easily overcame September 11 attacks

On September 11, 2001, the al-Qaeda organization sought to undermine the basis of the American capitalist order, expose its weaknesses, and lead hundreds of millions of Muslims across the world to abandon Western modernism and reconnect with zealotry.

Five years later, what is the state of Western capitalism in general, and the American one in particular? Excellent, thank you. The terror attacks did not leave any impression on it. The Western world's economy is moving full steam ahead into a fifth year of growth and prosperity. Not even a dent has been left since the September 11 assault.

To the contrary, the "parade of conquest" by the capitalist-Western system, which was the target of the attacks, was not halted or slowed down – in fact, many other countries adopted the system. Those who are still attempting to undermine it do not come from the extremist Islamic side, but rather, from the secular post-Marxist Left.

(...)

#170 Ben Hur

Keep on trucking and don't believe those rumours.

Garcia sang (of course Hunter wrote the words):

In the attics of my life
Full of cloudy dreams unreal
Full of tastes no tongue can know
And lights no eye can see
When there was no ear to hear
You sang to me

I have spent my life
Seeking all that's still unsung
Bent my ear to hear the tune
And closed my eyes to see
When there were no strings to play
You played to me

In the book of love's own dreams
Where all the print is blood
Where all the pages are my days
And all my lights grow old

When I had no wings to fly
You flew to me
You flew to me

In the secret space of dreams
Where I dreaming lay amazed
When the secrets all are told
And the petals all unfold
When there was no dream of mine
You dreamed of me

#171 BabbaZee

I really got you didn't I? I was just being silly.

And anyway, why should anybody who did nothing what-so-ever to aid, support, or condone those actions apologize for them any more than I should?

Would I have to apologize if my brother robbed a bank?

Of course not.

I would need to apologize if my family knew about it before hand an did nothing. I would need to apologize if we hid him from the police afterward. I would owe everyone an apology if we knew of other plans and were doing nothing.

Oh wait, now I understand why they owe us an apology...

Salman Rushdie interviewed on swedish TV:
[Link: www.svt.se...]

Presenting his new book "Shalimar the Clown" where he discusses what makes a human being a terrorist.

Anyone catch Olbermann's latest unhinged rant:

"We Have Not Forgotten, Mr. President."

BDS at its finest.

#177 BabbaZee

Sure - anytime, BabbaZee.

In listening to Abizaid and the others, one gets the sense that his view of Iraq is not based on blind idealism / optimism but on three things: the clear understanding that we must succeed in stabilizing Iraq and in seeing it maintain its current constitutional structure, the awareness of the magnitude of the defeat this would mean mean for AQ and Iran, and the fact that the Iraqi people themselves are consistently demonstrating a desire not to live under a Taliban-mullocratic regime.

Once Iraqis start clamoring in a majority for America to leave and to bring on the Islamic fascism, the American forces are out of there. Nay, they want us to stay and to try and help them to be prosperous and modern. As long as we are there the Islamic fascists will be held at bay, but it will ultimately be up the Iraqis whether the thugs rule.

I look at the reality that this is the first time in Arab civilization that these people have ever enjoyed these liberties and civil protections, and think that we need to gauge our analysis of the development of Iraq with that in mind. I just hope the American people understand what is at stake and are up to supporting the effort, even given grounded skepticism and oft-voiced opinions that 'these Muslims don't deserver or want the freedom we are giving them.'

#211 make that 'deserve'

Wow.

This Emilio guy has balls of steel.

Without mentioning any names to what I've just read above...

It is your choice to believe that Muslims are inherently evil and there can be no redemption among them. I wouldn't try to persuade you, as if I could. There is no reasoning with a bigot.

Arab hate is no different. But here's where I make the distinction between the "evil" and the "good". Brave people, like Mr. Dabul, who sticks his neck out to make a statement that can get him killed, and he damn well knows that. Mr. Dabul and those like him, whose ancestors or himself ran from their oppressive countries to find peace and respect in "The West." We can damn ourselves along with the lot of them if we don't provide them with a vehicle to speak out. If we chide them when they do, or say "Why'd you wait so freakin long?" If we fail to believe them. That too will be our undoing.

So for those of you, like myself, who honor and praise this incredibly brave individually, kudos to you for sticking your neck out too.

I've said this before, we have to support these people when we find them. We have to encourage them to come out IN LARGE GROUPS to say the same thing. And if we embrace them instead of ridiculing them, if we put away our fears as they put away theirs, maybe we'll see this more and more.

p.s. Explain to me what happened to the Christians? They haven't killed anyone in the name of Jesus for 100's of years. Now, tell me again you don't believe in redemption.

OT: 'Girls Gone Wild' Cuts Plea Deal

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Is this like busting Billy Idol at a bordello?

McNug,

Wow.

This Emilio guy has balls of steel.

Yes, and he will be missed.

Allan Iverson!

I'm not blog pimping but I saw this link in the comments and while i was busy hacking out a post on it, y'all have already posted it .

I have been of the mind that a very big and consistent PR effort showcasing "reasonable Muslims' would go a long way towards silencing the CAIR/ACLU - so here is another post advocating that...for what it is worth. An 'Islama-palooza Tour' guys - why not?
"I Challenge Wealthy Conservatives to Support the "Reasonable" Muslim"

Feewings...dees are my feewings..
I feel EMILIO KARIM DABUL is not only a pseudonym, but also not a Muslim at all. He's really Leslie Jacobs from Joisy. Dees are my feewings and I'm stickin' to 'em.
(I agree with everything he/she says.)

Praxeus 203

Wow! Just wow! He's going to demonstrate before congress. Some simple guy in his garage comes up with an efficient electrolisis technology. Buiding a HUMMER for the military that can run on water or gas. I hope it comes to fruition. This guy will be able to buy Bill Gates 10 times over if it is all proven correct.

#195 jehu

I've had animal farmers tell me off because I don't eat meat. They say that I (personally) am going to kill the entire industry.

Who are the Middle Easterners going to blame when oil consumption drops by a few billion barrells a year. I'm just guessing here, but I'm guessing the West will have to bail them out, or they'll start blowing crap up and blaming it on an economic terrorism the West put upon them.

Heck, at least the animal farmer could grow wheat, corn, etc if everyone became a vegetarian. What is the Sultan of Umabaubau going to do?

Charles, I suggest opening a link like you did for the Fauxtography above where verifiable "moderate muslims" could speak out.

I say verifiable, in terms of credentials that can be easily verified, so no nut jobs start faking it, if you catch my drift.

Just a thought. The more "moderate muslim" who post feelings like
Emilio Karim Dabul's; the more who see other muslims feel the same way and are not afraid to speak out, the more will speak out and have the courage to do so. It's time to come out the "moderate muslim closet" Must be pretty stuffy in there.

/nobody could then accuse lgf as being a hatemongering ultra right-wing blog

ANybody Just Hear on FOx News? THe POPE JUST CALLED MUHAMMUD AN ASSHOLE!
(well in so many words) Lemme see if i can find a link

Mr Dabul! If you are reading this blog please accept this from me...

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

I`m a firefighter/paramedic and have really had a chip on my shoulder about the absence of irate Muslims/Arabs talking straight and raising hell about the Islamo-fascists. Hell, as you mentioned, our own gov`t is too PC to speak the truth. You are a brave man, and I respect you. God bless and keep you, regardless who one believes his prophet is or if he`s even arrived yet.

Koran Muslims must do what the Koran tells them.........

Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”

They are told they will have a reward for doing Allahs will...........

Qur’an:24:55 “Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good work that He will make them rulers of the earth. He will establish in authority their religion—the one which He has chosen for them.”

If you dont see this...well...good luck.

#95: ok

one question to the person that wrote this.

why are you still a muslim?

what is it about islam that keeps you as a muslim?

Ummmm... isn't that TWO questions?! lol

OK, done being a smartass (for now); those ARE "two" excellent questions! I would LOVE to hear why ANY rational, civilized human being would choose to be/remain muslim!

WOW

Pope Benedict invited Muslims on Tuesday to join a dialogue of cultures based on the premise that the concept of an Islamic "holy war" is unreasonable and against God's nature.

In a major lecture at Regensburg University, where he taught theology between 1969 to 1977, Benedict said Christianity is tightly linked to reason and contrasted this view with those who believe in spreading their faith by the sword.

The 79-year-old Pontiff avoided making a direct criticism of Islam, packaging his comments in a highly complex academic lecture with references ranging from ancient Jewish and Greek thinking to Protestant theology and modern atheism.

In his lecture, the Pope quoted, among others, the 14th century Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologos who wrote that Mohammad had brought things "only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

The Pope, who used the terms "jihad" and "holy war" in his lecture, added in his own words: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".

Watch out Benedict.

# 214 marjoriemoon

I've said this before, we have to support these people when we find them. We have to encourage them to come out IN LARGE GROUPS to say the same thing. And if we embrace them instead of ridiculing them, if we put away our fears as they put away theirs, maybe we'll see this more and more.

I agree...........

It is your choice to believe that Muslims are inherently evil and there can be no redemption among them. I wouldn't try to persuade you, as if I could. There is no reasoning with a bigot.

I don't think that it's individual Muslims that are evil but rather Islam itself.

p.s. Explain to me what happened to the Christians? They haven't killed anyone in the name of Jesus for 100's of years. Now, tell me again you don't believe in redemption.

This makes my point...a true Christian would never kill in the name of Jesus. He is strictly forbidden by Scripture from doing so while the Koran on the other hand demands that it's adherents kill anyone who is not a Muslim.

OT: You have to see this to believe it, from The Times in London.

To boldly go and interfere
Star Trek teaches liberal imperialism.
Busk is Kirk. Blair is Spock.
The Enterprise "interferes" in other societies. (Nevermind that they have that Prime Directive deal.)

I guess they all should have stayed at home in San Francisco, rather than mess up the universe by exploring and learning and communicating and "interfering".

#208 beaner

Exactly. Exactly.

FOXNews is reporting that the bastard that killed that Navial person in the 80's, the one the Germans released, is now with Hizb'allah. Can't find a link to it yet.

TastyBeverage,

Yeah, I wish the Pope lots'a luck with that. Nothing screams reasonable like a fully garbed islamic male; beard, wild eyes, and all.

This is very nice to see.Like many others here have already stated,I too am hopeful that he ( and his family ) remain safe.Every movement in history has begun with one man...perhaps this is the first step taken by one man that will lead to another echoing the same thoughts until the swell grows to an insurmountable tsunami against the radical fundamentalists and Islam can have it's needed "reformation".I know that this is alot to hope for coming from this small act,but there was a time when a man named Buddha uttered his first words and a time when a man named Jesus uttered his first words-the words of both became the religions we know today that are followed by millions-it all begins with the actions of one.

It is a good start and a first step. A necessary first step that will hopefully leads to more steps towards the desired goal.

I can understand the exhuberence being felt when someone stands up to speak the truth, but I also understand the nature of reality as we all face it.

Statements like this are things we need to support because it rings of the truth, but of course with caution since the enemy is not beyond deceit to achieve its end.

#231 commodore
That guy was always with Hezbollah just like the ones who killed Kl9inghoffer on the Achille Lauro. The navy guys name was Steadman. He was a SEAL.

marjoriemoon

the diference is that islam wants you to kill infidels

christiananity never, ever did.

the terrorists are acting in accord with islam.

the crusaders started ok but lost their way, the inquisition also was againt christian pratice.

go read Robert Spencer and get back yo us.

Somewhat off topic but pretty important!

The Italian news is reporting that Pope Ben gave a pretty blunt talk in Germany today - about how Jihad is irrational and that "The concept of Jihad does not exist in Christianity because God does not revel in blood." By inference, the Islamics revel in blood. This is the harshest statement ever to come out of a Pope with regards to Islam since the crusades!

We haven't managed to pick it up on reuters and other agencies yet - perhaps they're hoping he'll just go away:-)

Anyway, we translated the gist of his speech here: [Link: www.gardjola.net...]

Pretty ground breaking if you ask me!

G'night all.

Kl9inghoffer = Klinghoffer
PIMF

#226 Tasty Beverage

The Pope, who used the terms "jihad" and "holy war" in his lecture, added in his own words: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".

That's amazing that a man of that stature and importance to one billion Roman Catholics is going to have a forum with Muslims on those terms.

226 Tasty,

Wow is right...

#86 maddogg:

I'm not saying the man is insincere, But I'm not ready to slap him on the back and give him my Daughter either. Seems the epiphany was a long time a-comin'.

Yep. And one Muslim, however sincere, remains just a statistical fluke.

Statistically, when you have a population of several million Muslims, you can find just about every view represented at least once. I'm sure we could also find an American Muslim who claims to have seen UFOs, and another American Muslim who claims to have seen Elvis.

Very nice to see this. I hope this brave man remains safe from harm for his honesty.

214 marjoriemoon

Once again we outlawed NAZISM, not Germans. Islam is evil, in intent and content. Whether individual Muslims are evil or good, I can only guess, just like you.

You employ a tired LLL tactic of labeling someone a bigot that disagrees with your worldview, so be it, at least have the courage to name those to whom you address your tired labels.

And I am not sentimental nor regard Don Quixote gestures by indviduals as having much meaning when the war is about the supermacy of one worldview over another. If I believe my worldview is superior and want it to emerge the ONLY winner in this conflict, then bigot I will glady be.

The memes and arrows of outrageous multicultural doublespeak I will bear and take up arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them.

/poetic licentiousness

221 So?

No one would use it.

#179 Judith
Be that as it may, but the point is that he raised a firestorm in the halls of radical islam, and that's what we need.

We need the people that can piss off the islamofascists, be it by great blogs, crappy writing, crappy cartoons or piglet coffee cups and ham sandwiches. Then the people who used to fly underneath the radar, seething and plotting, will stand out like zits ready for popping.

See it as mullah-bait.

235 Just_A_Grunt

Thanks for the info. I couldn't remember Steadman's name at that time.

Fox said that it appears that Hamadi's release seemed to be a prisoner swap for German's (I believe) held captive in Iraq.

test

#232 Murqtaad

Nothing screams reasonable like a fully garbed islamic male; beard, wild eyes, and all.

I know, what's up with the crazy eyes? All you need to do is look at their eyes to know what you're dealing with.

226 Tasty.....I have feeling friday prayers are going to be pretty hot this week.

SYLLABICATION: big·ot
PRONUNCIATION: bgt
NOUN: One who is strongly partial to one's own (CIVILIZED)group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ(AND ARE BIGOTED TOWARD OTHERS SO MUCH THAT THEY CHOP THEIR HEADS OFF).

Well, sign me up. Cause I'm partial to my own people ( that'd be a civilized society), and I'm intolerant of those that differ - when the "differ" part means they want me to conform or lose my head.

Political correctness is for those who still sleep.

Tasty,

Well, I've been told that the eyes are the gateway to the soul....but I'm not so sure that they all have souls.

Hey lopps!

#227 Praxeus

Thanks for your response.

This makes my point...a true Christian would never kill in the name of Jesus. He is strictly forbidden by Scripture from doing so while the Koran on the other hand demands that it's adherents kill anyone who is not a Muslim.

Christianity in the day of the Crusades did the exact same thing the Muslims are doing today in the name of Islam. Well radical Islam. What changed for the Christians? Wasn't it the "interpretation"? The Christian bible still says the same thing it did long ago. So why aren't they pillaging and plundering anymore? And why shouldn't we support this change within Islam?

I would never question someone's belief even if I think they're a nut job. I have no idea what Mr. Dabul's religion is anyway. Did he say? But what do I care. As long as no one is trying to kill me or incite someone to kill me, I could give a crap.

Robert Spencer on moderate Muslims:

Now of course there is a great deal of confusion about these issues. People think if somebody says Islam has a doctrine mandating violence that somehow that means all Muslims are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers, that too is false. Within Islam just as within every religious tradition there’s a spectrum of belief, a spectrum of fervor, a spectrum of understanding. And there are many people who are not aware of these elements of Islamic tradition, don’t pay any attention to them, or if they are aware of them they reject them and they go by the name of Muslim.

This can’t be denied but also the fact that Islam contains elements that can easily be exploited by the terrorists and are exploited by the terrorists who use the elements of the Koran, the Muslim holy book and the hadeeth, the Islam tradition to justify their actions. They can – they are able to present these – their actions as true Islam, as manifestations of genuine Islam on the basis of these texts.

[...]

The problem that the world faces and the problem that the Muslim communities of the West face as well as the Muslim communities in the Islamic world face is that the terrorists are taking the teachings of the Koran and the teachings of Islamic theology and law that mandate violence and are running with them. And it is very difficult to formulate a case on – solely on Muslim ground to say that that’s illegitimate.

And so while there are moderate Muslims, the fact that Islam is not moderate makes it very difficult for those moderates to establish any kind of large scale anti-terror effort.

Pretty fair comments, I would say.

[Link: www.q-and-a.org...]

#43, think it through. There is absolutely NO WAY this guy is lying or insincere. What he did is just too dangerous to have done for any reason but his declared reason.

Sometimes the thing to do with a gesture of goodwill and decency is to treat it with respect and take it seriously.

When it's clearly in earnest once you think it through, sometimes becomes always.

As to whyever would he still remain Muslim, well, people don't lightly change religion. Going from various quotes I've seen from the text of the K-book, you could find grounds for a way of life less violent than what UBL, AAZ etc. are teaching, if you pick and choose on your own which verses to take most to heart.

Since there is no Pope of Islam, all Muslims theoretically get to do their own reading, and from there, perhaps, their own understanding, and their own choice of what to take most to heart. It's not like it's impossible to come to any other conclusion than the ones reached by AAZ.

Correction on name of the navy guy

TWA flight 847 from Athens, Greece, to Rome was hijacked in June 1985 to Beirut, where the hijackers beat and shot U.S. Navy diver Robert Dean Stethem, 23, of Waldorf, Md., and dumped his body on the tarmac.

Wargammer:

the crusaders started ok but lost their way, the inquisition also was againt christian pratice.

Oh my lord. The "peaceful" muslims say the exact same thing about their religion!

I deeply respect this writer. Imagine how hard and painful it must be to stand up and state publicly that you condemn your own people and your own society.

This is the type of man who can make the difference between world peace and world war.

I pray that this man can set the ball rolling.

Murqy mah brothaaah.

What's shaking?

Ms. Moon,

Christianity in the day of the Crusades did the exact same thing the Muslims are doing today in the name of Islam.

With all due respect, you are dead wrong. The Crusades were a reaction to the jihad. Plain and simp. The Euro/christians got tired of the constant attacks and fought back.

Other LGFers will not be as kind to your ignorance.

/and a pre-emptive: Dimples can kiss my ass!

I gotta run, later.

Speaking of what the Pope said...

I had a hard time back in 1987 convincing my classmates in a "world religion" class that "Allah" was not the same as the Christian/Judeo "God". it's funny, but I never thought about it back then, because I guess I just lumped islam into the basket with a bunch of other cults.....who knew they'd try to take over the world -

Such a long way from the 80's - at least the way my mindset was back then. I was a teenager and worried about girls and cars and h.s. football games. The good ole days. :)

Time just won't stand still.....

Kudos to the Pope.

o claim to be Christian) does sometimes in the name of Christ... breaks my heart. Still, it can hardly be compared with what the Wahabis and jihadis, and islamofacists are doing and believe.

Well, Christianity as practiced today by the majority of Christians, yes. However the Christianity that has killed 12 million of my people over the last 2000 or so years can't claim to be any better than "the Wahabis and jihadis, and islamofacists".

This makes my point...a true Christian would never kill in the name of Jesus. He is strictly forbidden by Scripture from doing so while the Koran on the other hand demands that it's adherents kill anyone who is not a Muslim.

Oh that's such self righteous crap! Tell that to the 12 million Jews murdered in Jesus name. As long as you walk around prescribing that form of of justification you're in a form of denial that assures there isn't a nonChristian who is safe in this world from Christian fanatics and you're just as bad as the Muslims who look away and say "Islam is a Religion of Peace" when the terrorists blow something up.

Take the New Testament and take the Koran and put them side by side and start cherry picking passages out of context and you can prove anything you want about justifying violence and murder and oppression or endorsing peace, love and tolerance from either book.

My moderate friends tell me passages from the Koran all the time that show how Islam forbids violence and terrorism. And they say "Real Muslims would never kill in the name of Mohammed." in precisely that same sanctimonious tone of voice.

Only actions count, not words. Lately Christian actions have been largely decent ones and it seems like Islamic ones have been largely bad ones, at least this past century anyway. Beyond that I'm not giving either Christianity or Islam any credit for doing it right.

#254 marjoriemoon:

I would never question someone's belief even if I think they're a nut job.

Really?

So you wouldn't "question the beliefs" of Nazis, Klansmen, Khmer Rouge, or al Qaeda jihadists?

Why not?

OK, a little afternoon levity.

Son gets marijuana for doing homework

GETTYSBURG, Pa. - A woman admitted to smoking marijuana daily with her 13-year-old son to reward him for completing his homework. Amanda Lynn Livelsberger, 30, pleaded guilty to several charges Monday and will be sentenced Nov. 27.

Livelsberger, of Conewago Township, admitted in Adams County court that she had been smoking marijuana with her son since he was 11, and that she often gave it to him as a reward.

The boy told police that he was required to do his homework as soon as he got home from school, and then was allowed to smoke marijuana with his mother, according to court documents.

Livelsberger pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of corruption of minors, possession with intent to deliver drug paraphernalia, possession of drug paraphernalia, possession of a small amount of marijuana and possession of a small amount of marijuana with intent to distribute.

The plea did not stipulate a sentence.

The woman also said she also smoked marijuana with two of her son's friends, ages 17 and 18, police said. The 18-year-old also told investigators he had also bought heroin from Livelsberger.

Geez, you know how much homework I might have done with this unique approach?

Though she sounds like a nutjob. Getting high with the kid when he's 11?

Dammit lopps,

My pre-emptive strike was in vain. Jeter talkin smack to Papi.... Whatta clown.

But i gots to run. Later.

The Christian bible still says the same thing it did long ago. So why aren't they pillaging and plundering anymore?

I don't know what you've been smoking, but you probably did pay enough for it.

/ end of conversation with moonbat.

And before I get jumped all over, because we've been here before:

1) I know many Christians today are good friends of Israel.
2) I do not hate Christians or Christianity.
3) I have read both the Koran and the New Testament.

264 Judith

#254 marjoriemoon

Christianity in the day of the Crusades did the exact same thing the Muslims are doing today in the name of Islam. Well radical Islam.

No, certainly not. Karen Armstrong is famous for trying to make this claim.

As Spencer argues in The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), the Crusades were called mainly as a long overdue defensive measure to regain lands taken by invading Muslims. They did not base the Crusades on the actions and doctrines of Jesus Christ, which is something we certainly cannot say of jihad and Muhammad. Contrary to the leftist view of history, the Crusades were a just cause and undoubtedly saved large areas of Western Europe and Asia Minor from Islamic control.

#253 ploome

its not like now hE Will actually DO SOMETHING

Not for nothing, but he already has. I'll take a million of him doing just what he just did, which is calling a spade a spade.

Credit where it is due.

Here's the transcript Christopher Hitchen's in a cage match with a smarmy Australian ABC News anchor. Many gems in this, but note Hitch's comment about George Tenet & the CIA.

TONY JONES: The Senate committee report, which was released yesterday - in part, two chapters of a five-charter report - it concluded there were no links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. Politically, the interesting thing about the release of this report was that two Republican senators voted to release it. It's incredibly embarrassing, if true, incredibly embarrassing to the President. So what is going on there?

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: Well, I don't think that's going to prove to be true. I've already read at least one very trenchant critique of this report. I think the Senate committee will deeply regret having issued such a half-baked and unfinished piece of work. It would be very difficult for me to do this on the air now with your audience, unless you gave me a great deal of time, but I can point out - I will be able to tell you now - that when you read the critiques of it, you'll find that the report spells people's names wrong, doesn't realise it's using the same name twice of a very important individual. Takes the word of the CIA on a very important subject where the agency just happens to have got it all wrong. You won't be quoting this report with quite the same - what shall I say - assurance in a couple of days. It's really disgraceful. I have to say it's really disgraceful that...

TONY JONES: The one direct quote the 'Washington Post' used from the report, straight from the CIA, says, "The Iraqi regime did not have a relationship, harbour or turn a blind eye towards Zarqawi and his associates."

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: That's flat out false.

TONY JONES: The CIA got this wrong as well as your other intelligence, you're saying?

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: The CIA has never got anything right. Actually, I think I know it's a trillion-dollar intelligence budget. Unconstitutionally, the CIA, which I agree with Senator Moynahan, should have been closed and abolished some years before now, doesn't have to reveal how much money it spends. But let's say it's a trillion dollars. The only American who was able to infiltrate the Taliban in that entire period was John Walker Lynde, an al-Qaeda fancier from Marin County, California, and a drifter. The CIA has recently fired two or three dozen of its very few translators into a Arabic and Persian because they're homosexual. It is famously incompetent, corrupt and viral and it has never got anything right by either Iraq, Afghanistan or al-Qaeda. George Tenet on - this time, exactly this time five years ago, was watching the smoke with Senator David Barron, formerly of Oklahoma, and is quoted directly by Robert Woodward as having said, "Gee, I hope it's nothing to do with those guys in the flight schools in the mid-west," who the CIA knew about that and did nothing about. It's remarkable that the leaders of the CIA have not been impeached and put on trial for criminal and culpable negligence and this contribution to this fantastically mediocre Senate report is only the latest of their many failures. That's what I think about the CIA.