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Chavez Spews Hatred at UN

Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 8:37:21 am PDT

If you need any more evidence that the United Nations is a disgusting, morally bankrupt waste of money for the United States, turn on Fox News and watch as Hugo Chavez rants and raves to the General Assembly. Unbelievably vile.

UPDATE at 9/20/06 8:39:15 am:

The UN just gave this creature a big round of applause, after he finished his speech by calling President Bush “the devil” and said he smelled “sulfur” in the room.

UPDATE at 9/20/06 8:46:19 am:

He held up a book by Noam Chomsky. Surprise.

UPDATE at 9/20/06 8:49:22 am:

After watching that evil performance, I’m not only angry at the UN and Chavez. What’s happened to America’s resolve? Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?

UPDATE at 9/20/06 9:08:12 am:

Allahpundit has a vidclip of the “devil” remark: Video: Chavez flips out at the UN.

UPDATE at 9/20/06 9:17:14 am:

UN General Assembly president Sheikha Haya Rashed Al Khalifa of Bahrain found Chavez greatly amusing.

Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez holds up a Spanish language version of Hegemony or Survival: America’s Quest for Global Dominance by Noam Chomsky as he addresses the 61st session of the United Nations General Assembly at U.N. Headquarters on Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2006. General Assembly president Sheikha Haya Rashed Al Khalifa of Bahrain, top, listens. (AP Photo/Julie Jacobson)

UPDATE at 9/20/06 9:49:43 am:

Chavez is now giving a press conference: “the US empire is on the way down, and it will soon be finished for the good of all mankind.”

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1 bohman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:37:54am

and he loves chomsky

2 bohman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:38:36am

it smells of sulfur because he just farted.

3 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:39:19am

One can only spew the substance which one contains...

Volcaonos spew molten rock,
Chavez spews hatred

4 moonsbreath  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:39:23am

I agree with one thing he said, move the UN.

5 Hucbald  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:39:51am

Bush is Stan!

6 sabra412  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:39:53am

I do agree with Chavez on one thing... The UN Should be moved to Venezuela.

7 Ponch  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:39:58am

Where's Pat Robertson when you need him...lol.

8 So?  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:40:12am

Get the UN out of New York
Get the UN out of the USA
Enough masochism...

9 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:40:15am

He should be allowed to speak there. Now, if he is warmly received, that's another issue.

10 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:40:16am
11 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:40:51am

Laura Ingram is playing parts of it right now.

12 jaynumber13  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:40:54am

Just saw it as well. Chavez is a paranoid prick.

F*ck this guy, f*ck these lemmings that applauded him.

Move the UN, please.

13 coldwarrior  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:41:16am

chomsky and chavez! whatta pair!

i laughed the whole way through his...ranting, i guess, 'cause it wasn't really a speech in the truest sense of the word.

14 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:41:16am

WOW Move the UN to Caracas! Damn, here I find myself agreeing with Hugo Chavez.

It's crazy day!

15 HeatherRadish  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:41:25am

#6 sabra412

Why Venezuela?

I was thinking Paris...lots of angry mobs setting fires.

16 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:42:20am

Another lying commie dictator.

Oil production is up -20% thanks to his fabulous leadership and, as equipment ages, it will just get lower.

Meanwhile he might even lose re-election to the man with the monkey. The sane parts of the country are galvanized to beating him.

Chavez will declare martial law before he ever cedes power. But that is how real revolutions start.

17 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:42:31am

Chavez is Mussolini
Ahmadinejad is Hitler
Kim Jong Il is Hirohito

18 spider mensch  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:43:18am

Boycott Citgo gas and products. Citgo's main supplier for oil is venezuela. for every dollar spent at Citgo some % ends up in this ass wipes pocket.

19 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:43:27am
NEW YORK (AP) US ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton touched off an international furor today when, at the begining of an address to the UN General Assembly by Hugo Chavez he repeatedly cried out : "We don't need no stinking badges!" at the south american strong man.
Congressional Democrats denounced Bolton...
20 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:43:38am

I don't give a flying f*ck where they move it. But the motion is on the floor, let's have a vote!

And then we can name John Kerry our ambassador to the UN. He and Teresa can certainly afford to build themselves a lovely villa there.

21 reelcobra  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:43:41am

What else has to happen before we ship the thing the hell out of this country?

I think this week may be a good thing. Even the fuzziest liberal has to see that the UN is a cancerous growth in Manhattan.

Or maybe not.

22 spottie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:43:50am

anyone see a txt of the speech anywhere?

23 reelcobra  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:45:30am

I'm surprised this Gayoom guy hasn't been beheaded for his name.

24 lurking faith  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:45:46am
[Chavez] said he smelled “sulfur” in the room.

Who smelled it, dealt it.

25 ointmentfly  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:46:01am

We need to immediately cut our commitment to the UN by half and slash the tires on Hugo's plane.

26 Hucbald  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:46:17am

You have NO IDEA how much the "diplomats" would HATE to leave New York. They LOVE IT THERE, because most of them come from little suck-@$$ countries that have no economy, no entertainment, and no culture.

Caracas? Dog, that would be funny: All the diplomats getting mugged.

"We don't neeed no steeenking deeeplomatic immuuunity!"

They will only leave if forced to.

27 HeatherRadish  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:46:54am

#20 funky chicken

And then we can name John Kerry our ambassador to the UN.

...and that puts a crimp in his plans to run for POTUS in '08. Clever!

28 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:46:54am
#11 Dave the... 9/20/2006 08:40AM PDT

Laura Ingram is playing parts of it right now.

Very cool... hope FOX and Rush have also jumped on this..

*not even considering CNN or MSNBC will come through...

29 z  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:47:51am

(z rolls eyes)

30 danger close  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:48:17am

Whats really going to be lovely is when the good people of Venezuela vote Hugo El Presidente for Life and Jimmy Carter smiles that winsome smile and says everything was fine, just fine.


Toujours Pret

31 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:48:19am

#19 Peacekeeper 9/20/2006 08:43AM PDT


NEW YORK (AP) US ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton touched off an international furor today when, at the begining of an address to the UN General Assembly by Hugo Chavez he repeatedly cried out : "We don't need no stinking badges!" at the south american strong man.
Congressional Democrats denounced Bolton...

PK..

LOL

32 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:48:32am

The UN has turned into a Nazipallooza festival.

*spit*

33 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:48:51am

Go away Shorty.

/and take your tin horns with you

34 sngnsgt  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:48:56am

Pot meet kettle.

35 Darwin Akbar  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:49:12am

Another example of the complete worthlessness of the U.N. These tin-pot thugs, all of whom belong either in jail or before a firing squad, get to come to our country, be feted by all these other scumbags and spit in our face.

Why not just move the UN to Cuba, where it belongs?

36 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:49:24am

Posted on the previous thread, but more appropriate here:

The nutroots freaks are waxing orgasmic, no doubt. If this ignorant thug called for an immediate invasion of the US, they'd be begging, "Oh please, oh please, oh please!"

And they are also, no doubt, completely oblivious to the irony of these third world shitboxes calling America the great fascist monster, and the "devil", yet doing so in this country with no fear of arrest or reprisal.

The UN has clearly outlived its usefulness and is nothing more than a revenue stream for corrupt third world potentates and must be replaced.

37 godfrey  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:49:35am

hucbald

how much the "diplomats" would HATE to leave New York

Let them eat Paris.

38 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:49:48am
39 stoked  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:50:00am

Spit on your face Hugo Chavez.

40 AZ Lizard Kisser  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:50:07am

The CNN "news" people are almost gushing over Chavez's performance. I think they're trying hard not to smile in satisfaction.

41 new2thezoo  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:50:24am

#17 tfc3rid

Yes, you are correct... Welcome to 1938.

I was just waiting for him to take off his shoe...

42 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:50:42am

Ahem..

We, the American Taxpayers, pay the rent and the dues of the UN, through the aegis of our Representatives.. Congressmen and Senators..

Perhaps it is time to remind them of who put them in Congress and who can vote them out ...

43 Mister Ghost  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:50:55am

This must be Raving Nutter week at the UN.

44 brent  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:51:00am

I didn't see Chavez, watched DinnerJacket in reruns this morning... Did Chavez have a full house? It seemed sort of empty for DJ, maybe people were afraid of his divine light?

Seriously, I'd take him up on his idea


Maybe we need to move the United Nations out of USA...
45 jamgarr  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:51:03am

#34 sngnsgt

Pot Tinpot meet kettle.

/fixed that for you

46 So?  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:51:08am

#26 Hucbald

No fucking kidding. With all the perks they get, plus living in one of the world's most incredible cities. These guys are having the time of their lives and lots of hookers too!


I think the Gobi desert would be an excellent place to relocate the UN.

47 reggie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:52:03am

FWIW- CNN scanned the audience and it looked like half the seats were empty.

Presumably those whose boo's would have drowned out the applause?

48 syncrodude  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:52:20am

He said take the UN out of the USA? I guess thats one sentiment the LGFers over here can agree with.

49 Cato  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:52:30am

#26 Hucbald

I used to live across the street from that evil place. Half the diplomats would ask for US citizenship and move into apartments THEY ALREADY HAVE PURCHASED in the city.

50 frankp_63  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:52:40am

Have no fear. We can all count on the integrity and objectivity of the American press to pepper these two with tough, no-nonsense questions that
allow no wiggle room and draw out their real intentions...

51 sushiisusii  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:53:01am

Will the last one out of the UN building in NYC please turn off the lights and lock the doors? Thank you.

Bye-bye, you buncha turds.

52 scott in east bay  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:53:03am

There is a little piece over at Debka (I know, I know) that Dinnerjacket wants to send 2000 km range Iranian missles to Venezuela and Cuba. Seems Iran and Ven just signed some kind of "pact" in Havana.

Missles in Cuba? Now why does this sound familiar?

53 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:53:45am

Should either house in Congress go to the Democrats this November, then the lame duck Republican-majority Congress should do one final act: Get us out of the UN permanently. It would make up for six years of squandered opportunities (since spineless Republican Senators never seem comfortable enough in power to assert themselves).

54 Hannibal Smith  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:54:02am

Hey now...if we move the UN building out of NYC, how are we going to bug their private meeting rooms?

Keep the enemies close...

55 Cato  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:54:27am

Maybe we need to move the United Nations out of USA...

Maybe?

Listen, corporations need homes too, and the UN offices have great views. The general assembly building would make a kick-ass multiplex.

56 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:54:29am

#18 spider mensch

Boycott Citgo gas and products. Citgo's main supplier for oil is venezuela. for every dollar spent at Citgo some % ends up in this ass wipes pocket.

I already do, and it's not just "some %", it's "most" if not "all". Citgo is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Venezuelan national oil firm, PDVSA, which is personally controlled by Chavez.

57 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:54:42am

Af

ter watching that evil performance, I’m not only angry at the UN and Chavez. What’s happened to America’s resolve? Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?

Because half of America agrees with Chavez...Sad but true.

58 mean Gene  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:54:57am

He's peeved that the price of oil is lower.
So he takes it out on the USA and President Bush.

But he's wrecked his own country's oil infrastructure and has no one to blame but himself.
He threw out all the Americans and put in cronies.
But guess what?
Cronies have no clue how to keep the oil flowing.
Heh!

I don't think there are any answers in a Noam Chomski book, either! ;)

59 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:55:26am

26 Hucbald. Time to condemn a few builings on Manhattan. Time to force the bastards to get the hell out.

60 Hucbald  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:55:46am

#37 godfrey

"Let them eat Paris."

Hilton?!

Ewww!

61 rosh  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:56:07am
The Caracas-based website for the Justice First party (PJ) reports on 17 September that PJ leader Julio Borges has questioned Iranian leader Mahmud Ahmadinezhad's visit to Caracas, and rejected Chavez's "obsessive and repeated" defense of countries that are in conflict with the United States. Borges said that the Venezuelan people do not accept Chavez's offer of "Venezuelan blood" to protect these countries, and he asks how far Chavez will go to ensure a seat on the UN Security Council.

[Link: primerojusticia.org.ve...]

62 funkyfantom  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:57:03am

Even the BBC admitted this morning that since Chavez took office, that Venezuela's standard of living has dropped significantly.

That's why the government there is handing out free food to the many who can no longer afford the basics. All in spite of the oil windfall.

Of course Chavez wants to divert people's attention from his incompetence by wasting as much time as possible playing the anti-American clown, just like Castro and Dinner Jacket.

63 godfrey  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:57:08am

I think the U.S. kicks in about 20% of the UN's total dues.

64 Sharku  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:57:08am

Yo, Air Force, there are some target drones leaving New York soon, please demonstrate your fine skills at shooting target drones.

65 Black George Bush  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:57:24am
said he smelled “sulfur” in the room.

Well Chavez, sounds like you have a bad case of diariah of the mouth.

66 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:57:31am

Charles-as per your update..Why is that Persian Nazi allowed in New York? These "leaders" are YOUR ENEMY and MY ENEMY and the enemies of the free world. And there they are, preaching their hate-openly insulting America and the West from New York City?

The fact that they are on your soil is an insult to democracy. It makes a laughing stock of the memories of those killed just blocks away at the WTC. It is a disgrace, and affront to their memories. They are laughing in our faces.

The soil of New York is drenched with the blood of innocents-caused by hatred and thuggery that eminates from those very people. Their souls must be crying from Heaven.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

67 MoonbatBane  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:57:39am

It's time to take the f###ing gloves off and start KILLING (not arresting) these bastards.

Use arrests for own traitorous left.

If what Glenn Beck is talking about comes to pass -- namely WMD attacks in NYC and Washington, DC over Ramadan, the above WILL happen.

68 jcm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:57:42am
Maybe we need to move the United Nations out of USA'...

ARGGHHH!

I agree with Chavez on one point.

69 TMF  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:57:43am

Fucking oil.

Gives worthless chimps like Chavez, Ahmadinnerjacket and the Saudis a soapbox.

And we have to sit on our thumbs.

70 Alouette  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:57:51am

The U.N. has become a "South Park" episode.

71 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:58:04am

#40 AZ Lizard Kisser

The CNN "news" people are almost gushing over Chavez's performance. I think they're trying hard not to smile in satisfaction.

Wetting themselves in their glee?

72 syncrodude  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:58:10am

My idea for a protest poster:

GET THE US OUT OF THE UN
GET THE UN OUT OF THE US

73 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:58:16am

Chavez is the Left's new Castro.

It does not shock me that they want to align with Iran... I think we are going to be in deep trouble...

74 400lb gorilla  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:59:04am

Did he mention that the Noamster makes tons of money working for the Military Industrial complex? Probably not

75 formercorpsman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:59:47am

You are watching it unfold as we speak.

They are no doubt trying to rally the left in this country.

They know it all depends on how they can sway the election.

If they can get the change they want, make no mistake, they will act.

What they are hoping for now is, someone on their side does not do something stupid to create another 911 resolve aftermath.

The last thing they want, is a resounding right turn victory in November.

This was a campaign speech for the democrats on an international level, looking to spurn donations.

Who will be the first democrat to open their mouth?

76 whosoever  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:59:49am

shrug, Atlas, shrug

77 Protagonist  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:00:16am

I wouldn't worry about Chavez too much. Once the price of gas drops below $2.00 and the Venezuelan economy crashes, they'll be stringing up that incompetent fat prick on the tallest lamppost they can find. (For Pete's Sakes, he looks like he has Down's Syndrome!)

As for the UN, it's time for the US to form another diplomatic alliance among free peoples, and give that building to Donald Trump to raze and build a resort/casino, or something.

78 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:00:25am

67 MoonbatBane

Completely agree... I would hope any response to Nuke Terror is the destruction of these entire soceities... No mercy...

OT: Did Glen Beck elaborate more on the Ramadan threat?

79 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:00:44am
UPDATE at 9/20/06 8:49:22 am:

After watching that evil performance, I’m not only angry at the UN and Chavez. What’s happened to America’s resolve? Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?

HUGO CHAVEZ
This user is blocked.

80 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:01:03am

Chavez Calls Bush the devil at UN

/DUers start to crawl out of bed, hit the bong a few times, and start weighing in

81 thinkred  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:01:29am

I post on a general forum and some of the people there, much to my dismay, said he had some goods ideas and was generally right. I nearly had a heart-attack.

82 Stormy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:01:35am

#70 Alouette

The U.N. has become a "South Park" episode.


Excatly what I was thinking!

83 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:01:50am
DEBKAfile Exclusive: Hugo Chavez signs secret anti-US cooperation pacts with Iran providing bases in Venezuela – and later Cuba – for Iranian intelligence-cum-terror agents

September 20, 2006, 5:56 PM (GMT+02:00)

Iran is also pushing hard for similar bases in Sudan, Somalia and Yemen.

Venezuelan and Cuban rulers appear to be more wary of allowing the deployment of Iran-made 2,000-km range Shahab-3 ballistic missiles able to reach US targets, for which Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is pressing.

More in DEBKAfile’s Exclusive Report below about Tehran’s successful quest for bases of subversion as a deterrent against a US air attack on its nuclear facilities


[Link: www.debka.com...]

84 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:01:55am

#69 TMF

Fucking oil.

Gives worthless chimps like Chavez, Ahmadinnerjacket and the Saudis a soapbox.

And we have to sit on our thumbs.

We have enough energy resources to support ourselves, if we had the political will to exploit it.

85 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:02:08am

Get John Bolton and the Aussie rep out, and the UN building will be the perfect target-rich environment.

86 javems  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:02:22am

#52 scott in east bay

There is a little piece over at Debka (I know, I know) that Dinnerjacket wants to send 2000 km range Iranian missles to Venezuela and Cuba. Seems Iran and Ven just signed some kind of "pact" in Havana.


Sounds like a plan. Develop nuclear tipped missiles and put then within range of the U.S.
I recall the last "Cuban Missile Crisis" well.

87 Captain Midnight  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:02:42am

I don't see why we have any need to be part of the United Nations. What do we benefit from our membership that we couldn't do on our own?

88 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:02:44am

Ah, a Leftie using ad hominem attacks on the President who spoke against dictators, despots, and thugs. Once again, another example of the Left using their standard playbook - denigrate and demean their opponents by whatever means necessary.

BTW, Hugo, that smell you think was due to Bush came from your friend Ahmadinejad. Between the smell of oil and sulphur from the pits of hell he calls home in Tehran, you got your worldview definitely confused.

89 Hucbald  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:02:46am

#70 Alouette

"The UN has become a 'South Park' episode."

And stories about it sound like they come from "The Onion."

90 nigella  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:02:52am

I hate to say this but what is the difference between what Chavez says about the POTUS and what the LLL's say about him?I've heard worse things from all the dhimmis...

91 akak  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:04:18am

It should be a crime to use the Iranian postage stamp. see atlas

92 el greco  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:04:33am

So, what does it take for the US to get out of the UN?
Do we vote for it or what?

93 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:04:34am
Bush, I have the feeling you are going to live the rest of your days as a nightmare...

That sounded like a threat...Why allow the man to leave.

94 wordwarp  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:04:49am
What’s happened to America’s resolve?

Similar topic addressed in David Selbourne's piece, Can the West Win the War on Terror? Ten Reasons Why Not.

point three:

3) Indeed, the third reason why Islam will not be defeated, as things stand, is the low level of Western leadership, in particular in the United States. During the half-century of the Islamic revival, it has shown itself at sixes and sevens both diplomatically and militarily. It has been without a sense of strategic direction, and been unable to settle upon coherent war plans. It has even lacked the gifts of language to make its purposes plain. Or, as Burke put it in March, 1775, “a great empire and little minds go ill together”. In this war with Islam, if it is a war, the combination bodes defeat.

95 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:04:49am

#80 Killian Bundy

/DUers start to crawl out of bed, hit the bong a few times, and start weighing in

After the bleary-eyed darlings yawn and blare out "Hey mom, where's my f*cking breakfast?"

96 American Soldier  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:05:22am

NEWS FLASH:
Hugo Chavez joins John Birch Society-


'THE DEVIL CAME TO THE UN YESTERDAY... It Still Smells of Sulphur here... Bush, I have the feeling you are going to live the rest of your days as a nightmare... We need a psychologist to analyze Bush... YANKEE IMPERIALISTS GO HOME... Maybe we need to move the United Nations out of USA'...

quotes per Drudge

97 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:05:49am

Just fired off emails to my Senators..

A polite note to let them know that my vote for them in the next election hinges on whether they support the UN.

/I know, I know, I'm just one little person, but I hope others will also take a moment to do the say... hoping for a groundswell of angry voters (our tax dollars support these creeps)

98 Stonewall  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:06:06am

Chavez, I fart in your general direction!

99 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:06:17am

I wouldn't waste time getting upset over these lunatics.

But what the GOP should do is run ads with this idiot next to Democrats who basically say the same shit every day.

That, and raze the UN building.

Maybe Rove can call his maintainence people out at JFK and arrange a little mischief.

100 frankp_63  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:06:46am

This is allowed to stand because there isn't a critical mass of politicians of any party willing to stand up and say what needs to be said: that the U.N. is a functioning threat to U.S. national security. John Kerry annointed this septic tank as the "World Board of Teachers" to administer the Global Test.

The idea of setting up a United Democratic Nations without this insane open admissions policy and withdrawing from the U.N. is an idea that might get someone elected president, if the timing is right.

101 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:07:27am

I suppose Keith Olberman and the rest of the Air-America style DNC/media cheered as well.

The UN building needs to be emptied and turned into a homeless shelter.

102 dll2000  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:07:32am
After watching that evil performance, I’m not only angry at the UN and Chavez. What’s happened to America’s resolve? Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?

Short answer: The American Left.

I just cant believe they have the numbers they have.

103 godfrey  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:07:34am

hucbald

The EU types want to play diplomatic Masters of the Universe. I say let them. Relocate the UN to Paris, Brussels, or Malmo.

104 PISSED  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:07:36am

Staring at my screen in disbeleif

Who will be the first ones to help venezuela if their is as earthquake or natural disaster?

US.

We are always the first to help!
Build the wall , kick out the U(seless) N(ations). Bring home all our troops, Let them all fucking kill each other, and anyone messes with us they get nuked! period.
They can all FOAD. We need energy independance NOW>

Sorry goin to get my large pepperoni pizza to calm down :)

105 # 17  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:07:53am

Never mind the rhetoric and rubbish the Ahminajads, Castros and Chavezes spew. Hundreds of thousands, and probably millions, of their citizens, are keen to flee to the US. Any US citizens misguided enough to want to move to Iran, Cuba or Venezuela, is welcome to.

At the end of the day, people are not as stupid as the Left would have us believe.

106 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:07:54am

O/T, but check this out:

"If the rage continues, perhaps what the pope said is true.", said Indonesian Muslim leader Hasyim Muzadi.

107 sakublock  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:08:11am

Maybe he will choke on his lobster dinner in Murrah Hill

108 wordwarp  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:08:19am

4 - moonsbreath

I agree with one thing he said, move the UN.

No one has ever given me a convincing reason why they aren't moving the UN into the new WTC building. Maybe the jihadis don't care if they die, but surely the bureaucrats from terror-harboring countries do.

109 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:10:03am

#52 scott in eastbay

Missles in Cuba? Now why does this sound familiar?


Something tells me that this president would not screw up a Cuban operation like the last one (JFK) did. Iranian missiles would just be an excuse for us to finaly get rid of Fidel. The USSR does not have his back this time. I doubt Fidel is that stupid.

110 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:10:12am

Hmmm..

Back in November

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez lashed out at his US counterpart, George W. Bush, late Thursday, calling him a "killer" and a "madman" after a top US diplomat criticized Caracas.

"The planet's most serious danger is the government of the United States. ... The people of the United States are being governed by a killer, a genocidal murderer and a madman," Chavez said at a meeting of Venezuelan and Brazilian business executives in Caracas.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

111 Silhouette  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:10:27am

Poor wittle Huegy. He so wants to be THE evil dictator of the world but he has too much competition.

112 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:10:30am

Hmmm, Ahmadinejad, Chavez, and Kim Jong Il.

WE'RE BEING ATTACKED BY MALIGNANT MIDGET DWARVES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO FASHION SENSE!

/my God, it's a conspiracy!

113 spam spam spam spam  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:10:35am

President Bush & the administration won't do anything about it. Wouldn't be prudent.

114 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:10:54am

97 Amalie. Phone calls and snail mail letters get more attention. But the email is good too!

115 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:11:07am

Welcome to New York capital of the UN thugocracy

great job

why does the US tolerate this?

actually why does the us citizens pay for this?

retarded

116 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:11:26am
Published on Monday, March 1, 2004 by Reuters
Chavez Calls Bush 'Asshole' as Foes Fight Troops
by Patrick Markey

CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called President Bush an "asshole" on Sunday for meddling, and vowed never to quit office like his Haitian counterpart as troops battled with opposition protesters demanding a recall referendum against him.

Chavez, who often says the U.S. is backing opposition efforts to topple his leftist government, accused Bush of heeding advice from "imperialist" aides to support a brief 2002 coup against him.

"He was an asshole to believe them," Chavez roared at a huge rally of supporters in Caracas.


[Link: www.commondreams.org...]

117 Owl  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:11:34am

why do we allow it?

that's an easy one.


a moral vaccum, and political correctness...that's why. nothing more.


The leftists should be proud.
They're helping to take down the greatest nation that ever existed.
I'm not sure we even live up to the honor of being called the U.S.A. anymore...matter of fact, I'm sure of it.

and it makes me deeply and honestly very, very sad.


wake up America, I cry...wake up...over and over and over and over again...I plead with you...


WAKE UP AMERICA AND RESTORE HONOR TO OUR LAND.

118 American Soldier  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:11:35am
After watching that evil performance, I’m not only angry at the UN and Chavez. What’s happened to America’s resolve? Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?

'Cause he's on "neutral" diplo ground, Sir.

People like Chavez and the America-haters who listen to him are why many of us maintain personal weapons for self-defense- both personal and national.

119 jcm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:12:06am

#69 TMF

(repost)

Oil Reserves: (millions of barrels)

Saudi Arabia: 261,750
Canada: 180,000 (2003 data)
Iraq: 112,500
United Arab Emirates: 97,800
Kuwait: 96,500
Iran: 89,700
Venezuela: 77,685
Russia: 48,573
Libya: 29,500
Mexico: 26,941
Nigeria: 24,000
China: 24,000
United States: 22,045
Qatar: 15,207
Norway: 9,947
Algeria: 9,200
Brazil: 8,465
Oman: 5,506
Kazakhstan: 5,417
Angola: 5,412
Indonesia: 5,000

Not including the new deep (7000ft of water, 25,000 ft of drilling) Jack field in the Gulf estimate at up to 30,000. And it is the first strike at this depth exploration as not really started at these depths.

Oil Sand / Shale Reserves: (millions of barrels)

US 1,500,000-3,000,000
Canada 1,700,000-2,500,000

The technology exists.

Only the will is lacking.

Do we really need the Saudis?

Let's buy Iraqi oil and help their economy and carry us over in the interim. Start a "Manhattan" project to bring the oil shale and sands online.

Oh, this a top priority national security project; F*&% the watermelons.

120 right wing zephyr  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:12:10am

#83,

That ought to do it.

121 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:12:30am

See i knew americans hard earned tax dollars were going for something

give them more lavish meals and security

who is the idiot?

the one who gets beaten up or the one who pays to get beaten up?

122 ChenZhen  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:12:36am
Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?

I don't often nit-pick, but I believe technically the UN building is considered to be 'international territory'.

123 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:13:17am
124 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:13:22am

Quick protect the tyrants in New york with american security and lavish meals paid for by american citizens!~

dont blame others for our own stupidity

We invited them to our home

125 Scorch  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:13:31am

I feel the more the average American citizen sees of these lunatics the more they will understand what threats our great nation is under now. Nothing makes an impression more than seeing it yourself.

126 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:13:37am

Monday, March 20, 2006 5:47 p.m. EST

Hugo Chavez Calls Bush a 'Coward'


The Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has severely criticized the war in Iraq, calling U.S. President George W. Bush a "coward" for not taking personal command of U.S. troops in Iraq.

In his harshest words for Bush in months, Chavez yesterday also urged God to free the world of the threat posed by "Mr.Danger" - a nickname he frequently uses for Bush - and accused Washington of leading efforts to isolate his "revolutionary" Government.

"I'm going to tell you something Mr. Danger: You are a coward, do you know that?" Chavez said. "Why don't you go to Iraq to command your armed forces? It's very easy to command them from so far away."

Chavez, who was hosting yesterday's programme from Venezuela's sun-baked plains, recited lyrics from a local folk song.

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

127 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:14:13am

We need to kill these people now... These people are the greatest threat our survival...

128 maddogg  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:14:17am

#84 Spiney Norman

We have enough energy resources to support ourselves, if we had the political will to exploit it.

You are completely correct of course...Mores the pity.

129 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:14:28am

Why does America not only allow and condone but also pay for this abuse

Why?

Why are we so bent on self destruction

do truly think ourselves impervious and invicible?

That is truly foolish thinking

130 lurking faith  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:15:12am

Somehow (gee, I can't imagine why!) that Dennis Leary song is suddenly running through my head:

*snip*

I use public toilets and I piss on the seat,
I walk around in the summertime saying "How about this heat?"

I'm an asshole
I'm an asshole

*snip*

Maybe I shouldn't be singing this song
Ranting and raving and carrying on
Maybe they're right when they tell me I'm wrong...

NAAAH!

I'm an asshole
I'm an asshole

I just can't quite think who this reminds me of...

131 JKWEST  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:15:26am

I am not surprised in the slightest with his remarks.

I wish the NYC gov would show a little back-bone and not cater to these walking piles of filth...

Hey!

You think we could fit an IKEA into the soon to be vacant UN building?

Just a thought...

132 Bill Amos  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:15:31am

Chomski. #1 best seller to dictators.

Great minds think alike

133 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:15:49am
As U.S. imposes arms ban, Chavez calls Bush 'an assassin'

Earlier today the State Department said the United States is banning arms sales to Venezuela because President Hugo Chavez's leftist government does not support international counterterrorism efforts. Now there's word from London that Chavez, on a visit there, has once again had fiery things to say about President Bush.

According to the BBC, when one of its reporters asked Chavez

whether he's been behaving "like his arch-enemy George W Bush by taking a 'you're with us or against us' attitude,' " the Venezuelan president reacted as he he'd been offended.

"It is the first time I have been offended this way in public - to be compared to the biggest perpetrator of genocide the world has known," he said.

"To be compared to an assassin, someone who has committed genocide, an immoral man who should be put in jail by an international court.

134 AZ Lizard Kisser  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:16:00am

#95 Spiny Norman

After the bleary-eyed darlings yawn and blare out "Hey mom, where's my f*cking breakfast?"

LOL

Thanks for the laugh :D

135 Tumulus11  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:16:18am

. John Bolton on Chavez' speech to the U.N. :

'We're not going to respond to that comic book approach to international affairs.'

136 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:16:31am

BabbaZee Cinema Presents:


WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE II

137 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:17:29am

Q:What’s happened to America’s resolve?
A: Koskidz have the the answer...
I'm sorry world


Dear world,

Please accept my apology for what American has become...


...we have been trained to think democracy could control our leaders. We are having a very difficult time accepting how very wrong things have gone.

Half of us still believe in the dream of freedom, respect for all peoples, and peace through diplomacy. We are working hard to convince the other half that things are off the rails.

In the meantime, know that there are still Americans who abhor what the Bush regime has done, and still plans to do, and we will do everything in our power to stop them.


If the Koskidz had any resolve they'd be dangerous.

138 dairenn  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:17:34am

I am so sick and tired of the leadership in this country sitting back and tolerating this BS. I really am. Bush has to sit up here and kiss butt, take it up the butt from corrupt, morally bankrupt tools for evil like Kofi, but Amadinnerjacket shows up, calls a country that helped out his loser country when that massive earthquake turned everything upside down, and its leader, evil. And then clowns him like a juvenille, immature 8th grader...

This is just a damn shame and a disgrace and I am just so tired of the bad guys getting treated like heros everywhere I look, and the good guys getting treated like they're responsible for everything that's wrong in this world.

It really makes a sensible person pretty angry.

139 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:17:46am

Why can't Bush get up there and start on an F-Rant about these losers...

These clowns are losers who could not get the girl if she was in the prettiest black burqa...

140 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:17:57am

Chavez Calls Bush a Donkey - Democrats Insulted

CARACAS, Venezuela — Venezuelan President, Hugo Chavez, has denounced President Bush as a ‘donkey’ and a ‘drunkard’ in response to a White House report labeling the Latin American, left-wing leader a ‘demagogue.’ Both sides in the name-calling contest are displaying clever use of alliteration.

"You are a donkey, Mr. Bush," said Chavez, speaking in English during his weekly radio broadcast on Sunday. "You're an alcoholic Mr. Danger, or rather, you're a drunkard."

The Democratic Party Chairman, Howard Dean, took exception to Chavez’s use of the word ‘donkey’ as a slur. In a rant before party faithful, Dean screamed off a list of U.S. cities and said that the donkey was a beloved symbol of his party which was environmentally friendly because it ate garbage.

“If you ignore the pile of sh*t it leaves behind and the methane released from its ass, it’s a pretty ecological beast,” he said.

Senator Ted Kennedy joined the fray and objected to the Venezuelan leaders’ epithet, ‘drunkard.’

“Coming just two days after St. Patrick’s Day,” said the Senator, “this remark is clearly aimed at Irish-Americans. I strenuously object to that. It took me 16 attempts, but I finally passed my bar exams, and since them I’m proud to say I’ve never passed a bar.”

141 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:18:00am

UGH get them the fuck out of our country.

"international territory" my ass

there was a great rant in the NY Post several years ago that said the UN clogged NY like a backed up sewer. Anybody remember it, or have a link?

142 godfrey  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:18:12am

mglazer

Our going to the UN gives us political cover.

143 fore  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:18:16am

Driving my boys, 12 and 9, to parochial school this morning, we listened to C-Span radio as we have recently started doing. Crazy callers were whining, as usual, about how the real terrorists are in Washington, the President in particular. My 9-year old piped-up from the backseat and said of one of these unhinged callers, "he sounds crazy." Music to my ears.

The Chavez story reminded me of what I told them before I dropped them off. "Guys, I'm afraid you're going to grow-up in a strange and scary world. Just hang on to Jesus and your family and everything will be alright."

144 rcris5  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:18:25am

Why not have Chavez speak. Look at the vile nonsense spewed by the likes of Dean, Kerry, Mother Martha Murtha, Kennedy and a host of other bloviating “American” windbags from the left. They are a hateful whacked out mob and their association with Chavez and Whack-man-o-job's world view is a perfect frame.

Chavez is just more of the same old crap. Let the UN reveal itself to the American people as much as possible. The sad thing is that this kind of vile rhetoric won’t get enough exposure. What we will see is mostly candy coated interpretations and justifications from the MSM. We just have to hope that enough of this vile insanity seeps through the media screen.

145 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:18:55am

For the record, we allow it because we're the U.N. host country and it's part of our agreement with the U.N. As disgusting as these vile cretins are, they're also heads of state. It's called diplomatic immunity.

/another thing to consider is that if the U.N. were to move, the U.S. would lose it's ability to easily spy on every diplomatic mission in the world

146 jehu  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:19:01am

99.9% of Leftists, Facists, Islamic Murderors, Hollywood Stars, News Anchors, NYT and WAPO Editorialist agree...Bush is Stan and Rove is his prophet.

147 Mister Ghost  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:19:11am

#125 Scorch

The average American citizen is probably more interested in Oprah and the Gay Governor than Lunatic Fringe week at the UN.

148 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:19:24am

Who is dumber the cat who gets the bag or the dumby who let him in?

We let him in!

dont complain about him or what he says (we knew) complain about us for allowing it in our own home with our support and our own money

Why do we want to torture ourselves?

149 Jay777  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:19:32am
150 salaami  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:19:43am

"He drew tentative giggles at times from the audience..."

Guess so -- check out the woman in blue. What a farce.

Link

151 bunker buster  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:19:52am

Is she laughing at Chavez, or with him? Hard to tell...

152 right wing zephyr  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:19:54am
DEBKAfile Exclusive: Hugo Chavez signs secret anti-US cooperation pacts with Iran providing bases in Venezuela – and later Cuba – for Iranian intelligence-cum-terror agents. In return Chavez will receive a yearling unicorn and an unspecified amount of neon glowballs from Wal-Mart to ride to Paradise on.

September 20, 2006, 5:56 PM (GMT+02:00)

153 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:20:34am

#142 godfrey

Right, cover for what?

know one cares if we go except us

thats idiotic

154 godfrey  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:23:16am

mglazer

I didn't say it was a good idea.

Move the UN to Eurabia, remove the US from membership, and enlarge NATO into a World Democracy Council. Let the tinpots play orator in some walnut-panelled hell in Brussels.

155 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:23:33am

136 Babbazee

LOL ~

Awesome..

156 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:23:36am

Another glorious day of infamy at Asylum Turtle Bay...wonderful.

157 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:24:00am

the UN is like GAZA

not part of any territory - is it not in NYC, USA?

Who decided that?

Lets give a part of NY to the world its not "the UN in NYC" its just "the UN"

Did the people of NY get a democratic chance to decide?

I doubt it

Bend over backwards enough ...

158 stranded conservative  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:24:01am

I just wrote my representative (unfortunately a Democrat) to request that he move to remove the UN from US soil. It is a drop in the bucket but if enough people write, they will begin to feel some pressure.

159 javems  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:24:05am
UN General Assembly president Sheikha Haya Rashed Al Khalifa of Bahrain found Chavez greatly amusing


An uncovered Muslim woman laughing. Blasphemous!

160 lisan  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:24:14am

#56 Spiny Norman
#18 Spider Mensh

Re: Boycotting Citgo gas

Think about giving up Slurppies as well, since 7-11 is one of the largest retailers of CITGO gas in the US. Word from 7-11 is that they are re-evaluating their CITGO supply contracts, which expire this month.

Thank you for contacting us about your concerns regarding CITGO gasoline offered at 7-Eleven® stores. Since 1986, 7-Eleven has purchased gasoline from CITGO Petroleum Corporation, a U.S.-based company, under a 20-year supply agreement. With that agreement expiring in September, we are reviewing our options with the intent to grow our gasoline business with the best possible structure.

More on CITGO and production problems in Venezuela on LGF postings for 9/1/06 [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

7-11 Customer Relations can be reached at this email address: 7-11custrel@7-11.com

161 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:25:10am

mglazer. I agree with you.

And I remember, to my shame, how I used to snicker when I drove by a yard that was full of "US out of the UN, UN out of the US" signs a few years ago. How I used to think those folks must be reak crackpots.

162 journeyscarab  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:25:50am

We need Megaforce!

163 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:25:54am

Amalie, yowsa, I can stop anytime I want, LOL


Be back later today

Fight on, Lizardia!

164 bonzy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:26:34am

CNN has it linked from their front page. I'm surprised...

www.cnn.com...] target="_blank">

165 Mister Ghost  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:26:38am

It's weird, all these tyrants seem to be short, Napoleonic Complexed dwarf types.
Now take that Idi Amin, now he was certifiable, but he was a big ol' Bubba type - he projected a dangerous appearance at least.

I was thinking that Kos kidz are salivating right now about being in the middle of a Chavez - Mahmood man sandwich...

166 JKWEST  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:26:41am

Do we have a transcript of his speech yet?

167 wanumba  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:26:43am

Move the UN to Gitmo.

Everybody's happy. Castro can drive there, and we can blockade.
Gitmo still ranks as one of the most cunning strategic moves made in this War.

168 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:27:53am

#52 scott in east bay
If Cuba were to place long range missiles?

An interesting thought. We are all aware of the concept of Mutual Assured Destruction or the acronym MAD. But what of Unilateral Assured Destruction? If our missile defense system is ultimately refined, then this concept should be taken into consideration. The people of a country armed with long range missiles MIGHT feel the necessity to make decisions of who their leaders are/should be more carefully. They may be able to launch, but with no guarantee of any consequences to their intended target. Yet, any launch in our direction would be justification for a massive retaliation by the United States. How often have you heard the argument, "I don't want his finger on the button," to denigrate a candidate for President of the United States?

If the people of Cuba knew that their island would be annihilated by the launching of missiles in the direction of the United States, could that effect the change in leadership in that country? It might change the mindset of the masses from one of "staying out of politics" to one of national, family and personal survival.

169 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:27:57am

#163 BabbaZee 9/20/2006 09:25AM PDT


Amalie, yowsa, I can stop anytime I want, LOL

LOL..

Ahunh..

/our shiny brand new addiction..

170 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:27:58am
After watching that evil performance, I’m not only angry at the UN and Chavez. What’s happened to America’s resolve? Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?

I'm with you Charles. In all serious, I do not know why we are even affiliated with such an egregious bunch of thugs, crooks, perverts, and tyrants. This period of history will show that we never had a more gutless Congress than the one we do now.

Anybody with a grain of common sense should demand, and I mean demand, that your worthless Congress sever any ties with the United Nations. Period. No warning; no negotiation. Announce we are out. If our gutless politicians choose not to do this, then perhaps it time for us ordinary Joes to do it for them. How about a new million man march next session of Council in NYC?

171 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:28:04am

160 lisan Thank You! I will send an email to them.

I worked at a 7-11 in college, and yes, it was CITGO gas we sold.

172 godfrey  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:28:27am

Occasional Reader could probably fill this in, but it appears Chavez nationalized oil, fired all the competent workers, re-staff the places with cronies and the marginally competent, and is now reaping the diseased fruit of that policy. If Venezuelan opposition can get its act together, and they get support, Chavez can go bye-bye.

173 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:28:52am
I emphatically declare that today's world, more than ever before, longs for just and righteous people with love for all humanity; and above all longs for the perfect righteous human being and the real savior who has been promised to all peoples and who will establish justice, peace and brotherhood on the planet.

O, Almighty God, all men and women are your creatures and you have ordained their guidance and salvation. Bestow upon humanity that thirsts for justice, the perfect human being promised to all by you, and make us among his followers and among those who strive for his return and his cause. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


Rush gets it...Just read this over the air and said the World doesnt understand Mahmoud is waiting for the 12th Imam..Bless you Rush.

174 so.cal.swede  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:29:50am

the worst parts were.

1) Laughter from the assembly when he spoke of "the devil"

2) Extended applause at the end.


we are doomed

175 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:30:09am

The un is a country club for Tyrants, Thugs and dictators in NYC financed by taxes of working american citizens

dont wait for the govt to change we must demand a change

We must rid the world of the UN first by removing it from the USA and stop giving them our money

We must let our govt know we will not stand for this craziness

176 itellu3times  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:30:34am

I think Rush is running his show right now off of this LGF entry.

177 MJBrutus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:31:34am

#8 So?

Get the UN out of New York
Get the UN out of the USA
Enough masochism...

Get the US out of the UN!

178 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:31:39am

172 godfrey

Thanks godfrey..

OR would be able to fill us in on the current state of affairs in Venezuela and Chavez in particular.

So just who he is making this speech to?

Or who is he making it for?

179 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:32:30am

What's sad, pathetic and funny is the Chavez wants to move the UN out of the USA

obviously for different reasons ..

what is sad is that he'll be more successfull in doing so than ourselves and that is truly pathetic and a greater sign of our overall weakness and large lack of resolve due to civilian apathy

180 BabbaZee  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:33:02am

#176 itellu3times

First time he says
WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE
you'll know for sure...


see yez in the PM

181 BarCodeKing  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:33:06am

Boy, I'll bet the Democrats really hate it that Chavez isn't a U.S. citizen, because they wouldn't even NEED to have primaries in 2008. Chavez would be their candidate by acclamation. He stands for everything they do, and he hates Bush with a passion. He'd the perfect Democratic candidate.

182 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:33:23am

We are not doomed.

I'm not going to let this little South American pissant despot make me believe we, America, are doomed.

183 mikeyslaw  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:33:38am

i cut my citgo card up some time ago and sent it back to them with a brief note: "tell hugo to kiss my ***." no word yet on the prospect of having to bare my butt.
7/11 has the damn stations all over the place here in Texas. i would guess that most people have no idea who owns citgo, as most people are surprised when i tell them the situation.
chavez has a lot of money, and is a very dangerous man. although he says stupid things, he is not stupid.
as for the u.n., the libs would never permit it to be moved. for that matter, neither would a lot of moderate republicans.

184 Robert Schwartz  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:34:01am

I say we pack the UN up and move it to Mogadishu. ASAP.

185 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:35:08am

Israel Targets Alleged Iranian Funding of Palestinian Terror

An Israeli sweep in the West Bank has targeted alleged funding for Palestinian terrorism. Israel is accusing Iran of trying to increase its influence in the cash strapped Palestinian territories.

Israeli troops raided the homes and offices of 14 Palestinian money changers in four West Bank towns, confiscating nearly $1.5 million. The army said the money came mostly from Iran and was earmarked for terrorism. It said the cash traveled through Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah offices in Syria and Lebanon.

Palestinian militant groups were allegedly using the money to produce explosives belts, rockets and car bombs. Israeli spokesman Mark Regev says Israel wants to make sure.

" That that money won't come back to haunt us all in suicide bombings," he said.

186 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:35:24am

Who hates the American president more Chavez (latin dictator) or how dean (democratic party leader)?

187 Buckeye Abroad  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:35:28am

OT: I just read this post over at FFI where the UK muslim emailer becomes completely unhinged during the exchange.

Your more *** stupid than i thought. I don't give a *** about your lies
and slander, Islam is the best thing that happened to humanity your just too
*** blind to see that islam is NOT a cult and muhammed is NOT a cult
leader like your mormon peodaphile raping sick f*cks. You kufar dogs are the
sickest vilest animals on this planet...

Nice guy. Lets invite him to dinner!

Regarding Chavez, his workers paradise is collapsing around his ears and everyone knows it. If there isn't a coup attempt or an attempt on his life in the near future, I'de be surprised.

188 godfrey  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:35:59am

Looks like a good article on Chavez's nationalization at financialsense.com. Excerpt:

Venezuela’s 1999 constitution forbids the country from privatizing PDVSA.

PDVSA is run by presidential appointees. Since taking office, President Hugo Chavez has appointed five directors (CEOs) of PDVSA. After resolution of the oil worker strike in February 2003, Chavez fired 18,500 PDVSA managers and technical staff calling them “opposition sympathizers.” While the cleansing of political opponents from PDVSA may have strengthened Chavez’s political power base among the lower economic classes, it has also helped ensure that Venezuela’s oil production will continue to decline.

Hence the rhetoric. Like a vampire, he needs fresh sources of blood.

189 Citizen Duck  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:36:00am
Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?

Probably because roughly 1/3 of the American population (I'm guesstimating here based on poll results I've seen showing about that amount of Americans think the government had something to do with or foreknowledge of 9/11) agrees with him?

Here's my action plan:

1. US out of the UN
2. UN out of the US

I'm flexible on the order ;)

Miyamoto Musashi's dictum: do nothing which is of no value.

190 be the meat  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:36:34am

I think there is some value to having the U.N. at Turtle Bay.

The fact that we can host these madmen in country and they are free to spew their hate only underlines the freedoms we enjoy, and more importantly shows the world in a real way that the U.S. is a FREE country.

Think about it... If we are the "devils" that Chavez and Dinnerjacket claim we are why would we let them, of all people, come to our soil and denouce us? And don't tell me that the U.N. is some kind of diplo-immuno-zone. The U.N. is centered in the U.S. for a reason.

It pisses me off. But in the bigger picture it may work to our advantage. Just a thought...

191 commadore183  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:37:10am

Great, Chavaz will be meeting with reporters so he can spread more of his hate of civilization.

192 Yishai  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:37:19am

#89 Hucbald

And stories about it sound like they come from "The Onion."

Heh. The Onion is having a more difficult time making up satirical news stories, because they are the same as the MSM news!

193 Hucbald  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:37:35am

Chavez called Bush the DeVille.

Great: Our President is a caddie.

They called it "golf" because all the other four-letter words were taken.

Flog would have been better.

I need a nappie-poo.

194 so.cal.swede  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:37:41am

#143 fore

Simple, effective and beautiful.

195 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:37:51am

#182 Amalie

we're not doomed because he said so

we are dooomed because we invited him into our home to say so

we are doomed due to our idiocy

there is no good reason for self destruction

196 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:38:00am

please refer to him as Hugolina- using the dimunitive and feminine to express your proper affection for this unequaled example of world leadership

197 Crimso  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:38:10am
It's called diplomatic immunity.

Indeed. However, Ahmadinejad lost any entitlement to such back in '79. He should be imprisoned (at least for 444 days).

198 Beagle  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:38:28am

He's the eighth dwarf: Smelly. Chavez is Napoleon without the Grand Armee.

199 thecookielady  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:38:35am

Do you know what we do with nasty little piss ants where I come from?

We crush them under our heels.

The level of legitimacy that has been afforded to these despots boggles my mind.

200 Cartman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:39:03am

The bottom line here is that The United States and our leader, as well as Israel and her people have been threatened by two terrorist lunatics "graciously" invited to set foot in the general proximity of hallowed ground - the former site of WTC towers I and II. Sanity and rationality have been tossed out the window like used, filthy rags. I shudder...

201 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:39:44am

We are allowing today's hitlers (yesterday) and mussolinis to have complete media coverage and a tribune to speak to the world.

We are insane.

The Free World has no Leaders. That's all.

And it is enough to be doomed.

202 godfrey  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:39:51am

{Amalie}

My guess he's making it for his cronies back in Caracas and for potential supporters of that nutbar in Bolivia.

He wants power, period. Thumping his chest at The Man (USA) is a proven strategy for getting Lefty support, wherever.

203 halldor  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:39:59am

Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Hu Jintao, Putin, Lukashenko, Kim Jong-il.

Yes, it really is the axis of evil. At least the U.N. makes it clearly visible.

204 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:41:08am
CNN...Should the White House respond to Venezuelan President Chavez’s comment calling President Bush "the devil"?
Yes
No


Bush to say I am not the Devil...Film at 11

205 Bill Amos  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:41:10am

You know the sad part ?

The US pays 25% of the UN bill (and they want us to pay more) and most of those sitting there get money to mock the US from the UN budget.

We pay for the platform for our enemies to attack us.

If victor wants a platform Id say let him pay 25% of the bill

206 RedPepper  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:41:40am

They're not laughing at Chavez.

They're laughing at US!

What do you expect, when we make ourselves into a doormat for every thug on the planet ... and pay the bills to boot?

207 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:41:54am

Actually, to blame CITGO is a mistake. Yes, they are owned by PDVSA, the state owned oil company of Venezuela, but what I would suggest is that our Congress nationalize all PDVSA refineries here on the U.S. soil.

Coordinate with the big five because you know Chavez will retaliate against Exxon/Mobile, Conoco Phillips, etc.. so provisions will need to be made.

Then the kicker. Put a blockade on any crude coming out of Venezuela. Logistically, not difficult to do for a superpower. Let them sell bananas for a while to fill the coffers. Tell the Venezuelan people, as soon as Hugo is removed permanently, the blockade will be removed. But not until then.

But don't bitch for a while when gas goes back to about $3.00 a gallon because it will.

208 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:42:50am

NRO is has this:

On Tuesday, polls show that for the first time in a long time, the majority of Americans do not think liberating Iraq was a mistrake.

Today (Wed), Democrat leaders are holding a press confrence on Iraq.

Get it, the Dems want to slam the US policy and war. They want Americans to think we are doing bad things. Class act those Dems.

209 soccerdad  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:42:58am

#18 spider mensch...
Thanks for that info...I never buy Citgo anyway. But that is actionable info

To all...

Anyone have a link to where the various name brands get their gas (oil) they sell to us?

I know there is a list out there somewhere, i've seen it before, but damned if i can find it now.

We need to stop buying middle east oil -- consumer revolt!

210 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:43:13am

Did our representatives walk out during this idiotic rant? And if not, why not?

/i am beyond mad

211 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:44:16am

Just announced Hugo is going to Harlem tomorrow to hand out heating oil vouchers from Citgo. Not a joke and will post a link soon as I find one to the story.

212 the Boodge  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:44:25am

Time to bomb the UN!

213 Cartman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:44:52am

Rush just said [paraphrasing] that the Dems will remain silent on Chavez' anti-American rantings simply because their "base" (the Nutroots and various and sundry Gramscians) are absolutely orgasmic over his message.

214 godfrey  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:45:00am

Am

I know that's an old article. I'm guessing things are continuing to decline, though.

goodbye_natalie

Drill ANWR now. Alleviate a little pain on us while we apply it elsewhere.

215 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:45:07am

#210 Ward Cleaver

/I am beyond mad


Thank you ! Those are the words I was looking for !

216 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:45:34am
American Jewry Protests Global Jihad Outside UN
More than 140 buses were on their way to the rally, organizers said, adding that many more people were flying in from across the country for the event.

The rally enjoys one of the widest array of organization support in decades. Jewish organizations from Meretz to Americans For a Safe Israel have lent their support and the Council of Torah Sages of the Hareidi-religious Agudah movement have made the decision to support the protest as well, calling upon members of the movement to attend.

In honor of the upcoming Rosh HaShana holiday marking the Jewish new year, hundreds of shofrot, ram's horns, will be blown in unison during the protest.

The shofar has traditionally been blown both at times of trouble, to encourage the Jewish people to mend their ways, and during wartime, to rally the troops, demoralize the enemies of Israel and to signal Divine assistance for the Jewish nation.


[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

217 godfrey  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:45:51am

ward

Is Bolton scheduled for a response?

218 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:46:19am

If you'd like to call the White House to comment, their number is 202-456-1111.

219 Dahveed  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:46:39am

And the DUmmies love it.

But never call their patriotism into question.

220 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:46:41am

Ted Turner in favor of Iranian Nukes
(read it and retch)
Often contrarian, Turner called it a "joke" that Bush demanded that Iran abandon any ambitions for nuclear weapons while at the same time hoping to ban all such bombs.

"They're a sovereign state," Turner said of Iran. "We have 28,000. Why can't they have 10? We don't say anything about Israel -- they've got 100 of them approximately -- or India or Pakistan or Russia. And really, nobody should have them.
[Link: today.reuters.com...]

221 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:47:49am

Oh, and be glad I'm not in charge. If I were, there would be an Executive Order that Chavez is to be walked out of the U.N. in handcuffs and flown to Miami where he will be housed with Noriega for a very extended period of time.

And I'm not s***ing.

222 Athos  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:48:18am

Press fawning and gushing over Hugo is starting...FNC carrying the news conference.

Any bets that the press treats Hugo far better than Dubya?

223 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:48:49am

I just called the WH, and expressed my displeasure at my tax dollars going down this rathole (the UN).

224 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:49:01am

Ted Turner...please shut up and just make Civil War movies.

225 Hankmeister  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:50:12am

I wonder if the liberals in this country are pissed at Ahmadaboutjihad and the little commie thug Hugo Chavez for ripping off their talking points and getting applause at the UN?

I can't possibly bring myself to think as a blame-America/Bush-hating liberal, but if I were one I would quit being one on the basis that I have more in common with Ahmadaboutjihad and Hugo Chavez than I do with traditional, salt-of-the-earth Americans.

226 maddogg  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:50:59am

I'm not too worried about ole' Hugo, he will eventually go down the well worn trail of so many South and Central American Strongmen. He'll make a lot of noise 'cause he whistling past the graveyard. The graveyard of past South American Strongmen. He knows, all too well, that eventually, the illiterate morons who put him in power will return with blood in their eyes and tear his fat ass asunder, put his little punkin head on a stick, and parade it around Caracas in a big celebration. Then they will feed his carcass to the jaguars in the zoo, in Aztec fashion. I'll buy tickets.

(I'm hoping anyway)

227 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:51:11am

#220 EC Marm

Why can't they have 10?

And after they put one on Atlanta, they'll have nine.

/nine little nukes

228 Athos  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:51:50am

At some point, it would be interesting to see the US act towards a petty little despot like Chavez in the manner that he accuses the US as acting.

I still think that Hugo is having an identity crisis - he can't decide if he's the new Castro or the new Peron.

229 BarCodeKing  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:52:15am

Man, what a contemptible little dwarf Chavez is!

He's a pissant, though, from an insignificant pissant country. We could take them with our Boy Scouts. We could easily squash him like a cucaracha, if we could just stop laughing at him.

He's the Mini-Me of the Axis of Evil.

230 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:52:21am

#226 maddogg

Then they will feed his carcass to the jaguars in the zoo, in Aztec fashion. I'll buy tickets.

I'll be in line ahead of you.

231 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:52:26am

Watching press conference and just like Ah ma jihad Hugo is long winded and loves to talk I think like most dictators just to hear themselves talk.

232 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:52:38am

Rush just said Ahmadinejad wants to blow up the world to bring back the 12th Imam...go Rush go.

233 rope_a_pope  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:53:42am

"The US empire is on its way down"

if we let this crap stand then I may have to agree

234 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:54:07am

#227 Ward Cleaver
Ted T boy - I think he owns something like a thousand acres somewhere in the mid west?

/eight little nukes

235 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:54:29am

#229 BarCodeKing

of course we can but the real question is would we

we dont have the will anymore to defend or conquer what we want anymore

without the will to use your strength it is really meaningless

236 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:54:31am

I see Fox reporter Eric Shaun in the crowd. I wonder if he will get to ask a question or maybe Koffee warned Hugo ahead of time to stay away from him.

237 rope_a_pope  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:54:45am

btw, ted turner and yugo can suck my left nut...

238 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:54:56am

I'd like to bitch-slap both Chavez and that laughing asshole behind him.

239 RTLM  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:55:18am

Mahmoud & Hugo: Dem Heroes

240 Stonewall  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:56:33am

Now here is a really good reason to ramp up hydrogen research in a big way. The sooner we develop hydrogen powered vehicles the sooner these tin horn dictators money will dry up to nothing. Then let em pound sand!

241 Chuck Pelto  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:56:47am

TO: Charles Johnson
RE: Flashback Report

"If you need any more evidence that the United Nations is a disgusting, morally bankrupt waste of money for the United States, turn on Fox News and watch as Hugo Chavez rants and raves to the General Assembly. Unbelievably vile." -- Charles Johnson

Interesting. Isn't it.

Just last year I recall you rebuking Pat Robertson for his comments relating to Chavez.

I guess you've become one of Prescient Pat's 'believers' now.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

242 soccerdad  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:57:01am

I found it! here is a link to a list of the oil companies who import persian gulf oil...

[Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]

Boycott them!

243 Almostout  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:57:10am

This motherfucker just said Inshallah to say "si Dios Quiere."
For that he must fucking die!

244 Intestinal Fortitude  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:57:17am

Coming into the United States and disrespecting the office of the POTUS, regardless of who is in office, is just vile. POTUS was elected by the American majority, so guess who this communist bastard is disrespecting...

245 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:57:24am

Look at the glee on her face

This is sickening

in our house?

Who let the dogs in?

246 uptight  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:57:43am

It's over. The U.N. is an experiment that failed and this conference only unlines the fact.

Riddled with corruption, ineffective against terrorism & human rights abuses, and subservient to the fanatics & tyrants it indulges and protects - the U.N. is no longer simply an efette talking shop. It has become a dangerous liability.

It's time for the U.S. to leave it standing.

It will be impossible to take this brave but neccessary step should the Libs take the House, but I believe support for U.S. withdrawal from the U.N. would be a popular policy for most Congressional hopefuls to support.

If the Republicans take the house with this as a central policy, nothing can stop it.

247 brent  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:57:43am

I just caught the pic of Chavez with Cindy Sheehan, the big thumbs up.

I can't begin to describe how disgusting that struck me, especially after his rant this morning. Chomsky, MIT? Pound sand up your respective asses.

248 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:57:47am

I'd like to see Chavez as the new Che.

Shot and buried in the jungle.

249 Athos  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:58:16am

As Anne Bayefsky says on NRO today, It's fascinating to see what our $5B a year get's us at the UN.

It's just peachy to see what level of UN reform these nitwits want to support...a permanent place on the SecCouncil with a veto. Never mind that it's irrelevant and impotent. He just wants a position from where he can continue to tug on the tiger's tail.

Someone needs to remind him that pull long enough, hard enough, and he'll need a plan on how to deal with the tiger's teeth.

250 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:58:53am

#184, Robert Schwartz

I say we pack the UN up and move it to Mogadishu. ASAP.

How about Gaza?

GA or ZA, it doesn't matter to me.

251 Daisy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 7:59:28am

Chavez is having a meltdown about President Bush 'owning the world".

Telling.

Chavez and Chomsky - in fact the entire flock of Moonbats - feed on the not at all secret wish for absolute power.

"Wawawawwawa -- Mommy mommy .. he owns the world and I want to own it - damn it .. waaa "

He does not have a clue - not a single clue.

252 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:00:18am

Late to this thread, but you do realize that most of the leadership of a Democrat House of Representatives are not only ideologically far closer to Chavez than Bush, but some of them probably would agree that Bush is Satan?

253 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:00:54am

#187 Buckeye Abroad

Cognitive dissonance can cause some violent reactions in the primitive mind. Heh.

254 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:01:14am

Hugo doesn't hate all American Presidents.

And he loves the American people.

255 Bill Amos  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:01:25am

Dont have to go outside the US to get the same kind of wild eyed insane hatrid

Here is writer Ted Ralls latest column

(PUKE)

BOYS GONE WILD
Wed Sep 20, 11:40 AM ET

Pick Your Favorite Homoerotic Torture Technique

NEW YORK--Right-wing Republicans are weird. When gays and lesbians want to marry and raise kids in the suburbs, the right-wingers freak out. "Perverts!" they scream at these bland strivers. But when supposedly straight soldiers in the army, marines and CIA engage in male-on-male rape and other acts of homosexual sadism so bizarre and extreme they turn off the average, gay-marriage-craving civilian, Republican legislators think it's the best thing ever.

No one talked about it much at the time, but those now-forgotten photos of torture and humiliation at Abu Ghraib were the kind of extreme homoerotic kink your local porn vendor keeps hidden under the counter. Iraqi inmates of mental asylums led around like dogs on leashes. Iraqi prisoners, almost all later released as innocent, stripped of their clothes and forced to pile on top of each other naked.

Of course, America's state media censored the most disturbing images. Hundreds of photos showed sex acts between and among soldiers and detainees. Male prisoners were videotaped while being forced to masturbate and have sex with one another. They were forced to wear women's underwear. U.S. soldiers, CIA torturers and private mercenaries hired by the Bush Defense Department sodomized them with flashlights and possibly broomsticks. They were kept naked for days at a time. Some were smeared with feces.

The photos, said a spokesman for U.S. military forces in Iraq earlier this year, "do not reflect what is happening at Abu Ghraib now." Because the Red Cross has long been banned from visiting the prison, there's no way to know if that's true. We do know, however, that enforced nudity and other gayer-than-gay torture tactics have become de rigueur at other outposts of Bush's post-9/11 gulag archipelago, including Guantánamo Bay, Afghanistan's Bagram concentration camp and the secret CIA prisons in Central and South Asia and Eastern Europe.

256 funkyfantom  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:01:54am

I wonder if George Bush Senior would have been as tolerant of Chavez as Junior is ?

Perhaps we should ask Manuel Noriega.

257 elBarto  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:02:33am

250 anywher but here. I used to think the US out of the un people were unhinged. That was before I actually started to pay attention. The more I hear from the un the stronger my resolve that the US should get out of the un and send them packing.

258 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:02:47am

Hugo doesn't like the UN either. Here is his suggestion

He later proposed that the United Nations move its headquarters from New York to Venezuela.


He also said the U.N. in its current system "doesn't work" and is "antidemocratic." He called for reform,
259 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:03:03am
Chavez is now giving a press conference: “the US empire is on the way down, and it will soon be finished for the good of all mankind.”

Seeing how wussified and diversitized our culture has become, he might not be wrong. We need to prove him wrong.

Sometimes I feel like we're the giant being tied down by the Liliputians.

260 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:03:14am

We wont do anything

because anything we do would have to be done so nice and comfy and that isn't worth it

so we wont bother doing anything at all

we have disabled ourselves beyond repair

261 javems  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:03:30am

Venezuela buys Russian oil to avoid defaulting on deals
The more they sell more they buy the less they make.

262 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:04:01am

#251 Daisy

Chavez is having a meltdown about President Bush 'owning the world".

Telling.

Chavez and Chomsky - in fact the entire flock of Moonbats - feed on the not at all secret wish for absolute power.

Progressive Projection strikes again. They aren't very subtle, are they?

263 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:04:01am

#259 Ward Cleaver

I feel like we are the giant tying ourself down

stupid huh

264 brent  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:04:17am

Rall's starved for ideas and attention... How far back did he have to dig for that gem? Almost far enough back to find himself still relevant (and employable). Is it even accurate, who cares.

Bye, bye Ted.

265 Sharku  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:04:20am
#230 Ward Cleaver 9/20/2006 09:52AM PDT
#226 maddogg

Then they will feed his carcass to the jaguars in the zoo, in Aztec fashion. I'll buy tickets.

I'll be in line ahead of you.

The disturbance in the line behind you is me pushing forward!

266 ZionistYoungster  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:04:42am

OT but closely related: Islamist parasite Abu Izzadeen heckles British Home Secretary Reid.

Quote: "How dare you come into a Muslim area!"

The guest has chased off an official of his host country on the soil of his host country!

Eved ki yimloch--a slave usurping the throne.

Kick them out, please, just kick them out! The insanity is getting me down!

267 Cartman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:04:52am

#222 Athos

Any bets that the press treats Hugo far better than Dubya?

A Vegas book wouldn't touch that one. ;)

268 gentile_infidel  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:05:43am

I think Pat R. knew what he was talking about and the MSM and just about everyone else vilified him for it. Chavez will get a pass on this one, though.

269 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:05:44am

From what I understand, under Marxit ownership, PDVSA production has been declining.


Oh, and oil looks to be dropping through $60/barrel today. And Venezuelan crude is usually thick and viscous, with an undesirable sulfur content, such that it sells at a discount to the benchmark West Texas crude oil.

270 rp1138  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:05:49am

Wy don't we just have the NSA hire a few hackers to hack into the bank accounts of these asshats, and just empty them out. Transfer the money to some worth charity, like the Salvation Army, or something. That goes for the UN and Kofi Annan, too.

271 Jack Burton  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:06:32am

I think everyone is missing the point here. The last two days and the cesspool that is the UN is probably building legitimate momentum for kicking the UN out of the US. All the UN has become is a mouthpiece for third world dictators and muslim psychopaths. It is utterly worthless and it's time to send those folks packing. Who cares where they put it. Take away our 25% and the power that we bring to the organization and they are finished. Threaten us with economic sanctions and we'll just slap an stop order on all the imports of everyone who supports the sanctions. Cut off the spigot to the world's largest consumer nation and see what happens to your economy. We'll still have our loyal trading partners and cripple the rest of the tyrants. Come up with a solution for oil and kiss the middle east goodbye and let those assholes keep killing each other until there are none left, which would make the whole adventure worthwhile in the first place.

272 Obi-wan  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:06:37am

He forgot to bang his shoe on the podium.

273 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:06:57am

I think we should just put an electric fence, dogs, and guard towers around the UN building.

/and guards with sniper rifles

274 brent  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:07:27am
And Venezuelan crude is usually thick and viscous, with an undesirable sulfur content

Maybe that's why Chavez smelled sulfer in the UN - that smell gets in your clothes, and you just never get it out.

What a tubby tool.

275 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:07:33am

#271 Jack Burton

of course it did and so it has in the past

yet still we do nothing that is the point here

276 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:07:58am

#272 Obi-wan

He forgot to bang his shoe on the podium.

That's where the sulfur smell was coming from. He forgot his Odor-Eaters.

277 RedPepper  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:08:21am

#252 EdofMany...:

Late to this thread, but you do realize that most of the leadership of a Democrat House of Representatives are not only ideologically far closer to Chavez than Bush, but some of them probably would agree that Bush is Satan?

They would revile Chavez for being too moderate ...

278 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:09:21am

#252 Ed Mahmoud
How right you are. this just popped up on dkos...
Chavez at the UN: Bush = Devil (with poll)

Chavez reminded me of two rants I wrote in September and October of 2004 on dailykos...


...(Republicans are) a veritable carnival of counterfeit virtue, satanic perversion of truth, and wilful callousness. They are the antithesis of honest and good government.

and this one:


I get a kick out of telling Republicans that I think their party is objectively an instrument of Satan. And that I don't mean this in any metaphorical, wishy-washy liberal way. No, I mean that the Prince of Darkness aka Lucifer aka Beelzebub has turned the GOP into the most important single tool in the world today for oppressing poor people and laughing about it, for leading people on the road to spiritual destruction through worship of mammon, and for grotesquely distorting the message of Jesus.


Identical rhetoric from the American left an socialist dictators.
...And the LLL is proud of it.

279 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:09:32am
Maybe we need to move the United Nations out of USA'... Hugo Chavez


Move it to Babylon maybe?

280 Obi-wan  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:10:00am

#276 Ward Cleaver

LOL!

It will take more than odor eaters for this a-hole.

281 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:10:55am

The problem is we are ignoring the threat as it grows literally in our own home at our own peril

iran, islamo-facism, NK, hugo et al..

Why do we ignore it?

do we truly delusionally think ourselves invicible?

282 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:11:00am

#263 mglazer

No, not stupid at all.

283 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:11:16am

I think all this UN lunacy is going to cost the Dems big time at the polls. Koskidz will hang themselves in large numbers.
/Aboohoohoo

284 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:12:00am

#279 storagemanager

Move it to Atlantis.

/under the water

285 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:12:15am

Marxist was missing an 's'.

286 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:12:26am
The United States empire is on its way down and it will be finished in the near future, inshallah," Chavez told reporters, ending the statement with the Arabic phrase for "god willing

Must be waiting for the 12th Imam too

287 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:12:39am

#267 Cartman

#222 Athos

Any bets that the press treats Hugo far better than Dubya?

A Vegas book wouldn't touch that one. ;)

The Lamestream Media is twisting itself in knots trying to decide whether Hurricane Hugo or Ahmedinnerjacket is the Second Coming of Mikhail Gorbachev.

288 gentile_infidel  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:12:47am

Anyone listening to Rush? He's just going off on the Chavez thing.

289 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:13:09am

The only silver lining here is that this will really upset lots of red blooded Americans - usually results in more Republican votes

290 mglazer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:13:33am

People dont forget you can already start applying for your absentee ballots!

291 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:14:31am

I know why Chavez wants to move the UN to Venezuela. All the money spent on hookers is bound to boost the economy down there.

292 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:14:33am

#288 gentile_infidel

Anyone listening to Rush? He's just going off on the Chavez thing.

Yep.

293 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:15:29am

It's kind of depressing that we are outnumbered by probably 50-1. Most people on this planet would side with Chavez, including probably 20% of Americans.

294 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:15:43am
288 gentile_infidel 9/20/2006 10:12AM PDT
Anyone listening to Rush? He's just going off on the Chavez thing


Rush gets it...Unlike that wimp Sean hannity who lies about Islam everyday.

295 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:16:07am

#291 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

I know why Chavez wants to move the UN to Venezuela. All the money spent on hookers is bound to boost the economy down there.

And there'll be no need to hide the graft and corruption.

296 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:17:09am

Dinerjacket thinks that an "aura" was around him while no one person blinked as he spoke. Chavez "smelled sulfur" while he verbally abused the most powerful nation on this planet.

Wait a minute, I recognize those signs and symptoms. Let me get out my college Abnormal Psychology textbook...

297 Van  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:18:00am

Lets move the UN into Chavezs' mouth, it's big enough.

298 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:18:29am

#269 Ed...

Ed, what do you think is crude's bottoming-out price? How low do you think it will go? Is this in response to our big GoM find?

299 wong fei hung  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:19:00am

US OUT OF UN.

NOW!

These pieces of garbage are plotting our demise - they all know the next step. I guarantee you every scum in that audience knows when and how we are going to get hit.

And most of this country doesn't even care.

So maybe we deserve what we get for taking it lying down.

I'm so pissed off right now.

300 svjathi  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:19:33am

160 lisan 9/20/2006 09:24AM PDT

#56 Spiny Norman
#18 Spider Mensh

Re: Boycotting Citgo gas

Think about giving up Slurppies as well, since 7-11 is one of the largest retailers of CITGO gas in the US. Word from 7-11 is that they are re-evaluating their CITGO supply contracts, which expire this month.



Over the last couple of years, most of the CITGO stations have been replaced by Chevron.

301 Mike_W  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:20:24am

#133 Amalie

It is the first time I have been offended this way in public - to be compared to the biggest perpetrator of genocide the world has known," he said.

"To be compared to an assassin".


Isn't this the same Chavez who had snipers picking off marchers in political protests a few years back?
I'll never forget the footage I saw of innocent people dropping dead on the streets of Venezuela.

What a hypocritical monster.

How typical of his ilk.
All the time pretending innocence and projecting their own utter depravity onto others.

302 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:20:32am

#293 Pro-Bush Canuck

It's kind of depressing that we are outnumbered by probably 50-1. Most people on this planet would side with Chavez, including probably 20% of Americans.

20%? I think you're being too generous. something close to 46% voted for John Effin' Kerry in 2004 and he would side with Hugo. I'm fully expecting some nearly indecipherable blather apologizing for Chavez any time now... likely trying to pass it off as a "joke".

303 javems  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:20:48am
Most people on this planet would side with Chavez


Most people on this planet do what they are told to do.

304 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:21:43am

#294 storagemanager

And Hugh Hewitt, as much as I like him, was going on the other day about people trying to make the WoT into a religious war.

These talk radio hosts walk on eggshells.

305 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:22:10am

#300 svjathi

Over the last couple of years, most of the CITGO stations have been replaced by Chevron.

And the more Hugo spouts off, the less likely 7-11 is to renew their contract.

306 Buckeye Abroad  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:23:23am

#253 Spiny Norman

Cognitive dissonance can cause some violent reactions in the primitive mind. Heh.

Yep. Attacking the "blasphemer" is easier than thinking about what is said. Logic and honest debate is harem!

307 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:24:08am
After watching that evil performance, I’m not only angry at the UN and Chavez. What’s happened to America’s resolve? Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?

American resolve has been replaced by the refusal to judge good and evil. Thug dictators are allowed to mock and threaten us because our leaders hold "engaging the global community in dialogue" among our highest values, without identifying what that means, whether we should do it, and what we have to gain from it. And the American people support this position.

308 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:24:38am

#300 svjathi

I refuse to go to 7-Eleven anymore because of their connection with CITGO. They even built a new store five minutes from my house, on the way to go work. Haven't set foot in the place.

309 Hulahoopgirl  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:24:57am

UN out of US
US out of UN

I too, have sent this message to congress, the WH and my state reps.

Now what?

*hulahula*

310 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:25:27am

OT - 65 year old Nun shot to death over Pope Benedict's remarks forgives attacker:
Sister Leonella, the Italian nun who was shot to death outside a Somali hospital this week in an attack speculated to have been a reaction to Pope Benedict's controversial remarks on Islam forgave her attackers with her dying breaths, witnesses say.

"I forgive, I forgive," she whispered in her native Italian just before she died Sunday in Mogadishu, the Somali capital, Rev Maloba Wesonga said at her memorial mass in Nairobi yesterday, according to an Associated Press report...

The killing came less than two days after a hardline Mogadishu cleric urged Muslims to "hunt down" and kill those who insult Islam following the Pope's controversial remarks about the religion last week...

[Link: www.cathnews.com...]

311 Van  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:26:25am

Just In:

Army removes Chavez from UN...

[Link: www.killcastro.com...]

312 parker in us[deleted]  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:27:32am
313 Geepers  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:27:41am

Check out the level of discourse at the NY Times blog:

The Caucus

In a democracy, even the U.S.A., the public and a condidates’ constituents have the right to know who the person asking to represent them “is”; and Allen’s natal background is highly relevant at these times.
It is relevant, moreover, because of the excessive influence of Khazar-jewish control and influence over the “neo-coms”, the Bush White House, large segments of the House and Senate.
Indeed, the “war on terror” that owes its origin 90% to the efforts of European Khazar ancestry “jews” to exterminate and drive away the Palestinian people from their homeland.

---

I conclude that he tried to “pass” to court the vote of anti-Semitic constituents.

---

The original and current Jewish definition of a born Jew is someone whose mother is Jewish. Even though the Torah forbids a Jewish woman to marry a Gentile man, if she does, her children will still be Jewish. If Allen were to lose this race (and the prophetic omens keep being revealed), he can always take advantage of the Jewish right of return. I doubt Israel would take him though. There are Jews in India too, but I think he’s pretty much blacklisted there as well.


---

It’s just very revealing, that a man who’s built his reputation as a white supremecist would be suddenly cast as the enemy of that same cohort, in this debate setting, with his Jewish heritage.

---

A normal non bigotted person would have simply and calmly said that yes he had jewish ancestors, what’s the big deal.

But Allen is clearly a bigot as apparently are the crowds that appear around him - that’s why they laugh at his rascism and boo defensively when some asks him about his Jewish heritage.

---

Sort of awkward to be a racist redneck when mom comes from Jewish stock. I’ll be curious how this plays with the Nascar crowd.

Not one person said: it's just plain wrong to ask "just how Jewish are you"?

314 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:27:53am

For those calling for Ahmadinejad and Chavez to be arrested, good thinking, that's a swell idea.

Then I guess all U.S. Presidents may as well scrap any future overseas travel plans because of the chance of reciprocity.

/oh yeah, we have diplomats all over the world, we may as well recall all them too before they get thrown in the local pokey or nearest hoosegow

315 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:29:09am

#310 EC Marm

She is a martyr in the true sense of the word. She died for the faith.

316 Murqtaad  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:29:41am
Pat Robertson was right.
317 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:29:44am

Throw the UN out of this country. It is made up of mostly despotic clowns.

We should form a coalition of nations interested in the pursuit of liberty.


There are about five of them.

318 samhein  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:29:55am

Well, we could get the UN out of NYC but still keep it in the US and stick it to diplomants.

Any islands that the US owns really near the Pole? We can give them a beautiful winter wonderland to enjoy, and still keep an eye on them in the US without having them right here!

I can see the UN igloos now. Then, would that give us an "Iced Koffi"? (Sorry!)

319 Murqtaad  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:30:52am
For those calling for Ahmadinejad and Chavez to be arrested, good thinking, that's a swell idea.

Then I guess all U.S. Presidents may as well scrap any future overseas travel plans because of the chance of reciprocity.

/oh yeah, we have diplomats all over the world, we may as well recall all them too before they get thrown in the local pokey or nearest hoosegow

Sounds good to me.

320 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:32:29am

#314 Killian Bundy

Ahmy should've been arrested because Iran is a terrorist supporting nation and publicly stated he wants to nuke Israel. Chavez supports Iran, which is a terrorist supporting nation.

It's the same thing with the Palis but now in the UN where any terrorists are given a "voice" in the int'l community and their demands are taken seriously.

It justifies the use of terrorism in the eyes of our enemies and makes us look like a paper tiger.

321 Cartman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:32:43am

#307 Lazarus

American resolve has been replaced by the refusal to judge good and evil.

Bingo.

322 SaneInMN  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:33:21am

314...

Then I guess all U.S. Presidents may as well scrap any future overseas travel plans because of the chance of reciprocity.

No, reciprocity would only apply to US Presidents visiting Iran and Venezuela, not high up on the Presidental vacation calendar.

323 Athos  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:35:09am

#307 Lazarus

American resolve has been replaced by the refusal to judge good and evil. Thug dictators are allowed to mock and threaten us because our leaders hold "engaging the global community in dialogue" among our highest values, without identifying what that means, whether we should do it, and what we have to gain from it.

There's one position of thought that states that the US is the 'big dog' and above lowering itself to the level of dialogue like this with the likes of Ahmawhackjob and Hugo. It's like the big dog ignoring the yapping of the little dog - even though one bite eliminates the little dog.

This is how a person from the State Dept explained it once to friends...but, fundamentally, I think that you are right.

There is a refusal to judge good and evil as well as a refusal to hold someone accountable for their positions, actions, and words. It's as if the only acceptable speech is groupspeak.

Hugo's position entitles him to speak at the podium of the UNGA. But rather than ignore his rants and petty insults, the fawning of the press over his bluster, there should be some pushback by our Government.

324 GreenSoccer  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:36:07am

Anyone know how the deomstration is doing in NYC? I don't see that the media has mentionned it.

325 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:36:12am

#312 parker in us

You realize that snarky assassination rhetoric is not permitted, nor appreciated here. Take that shit somewhere else.

326 bringiton  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:36:46am

General Assembly president Sheikha Haya Rashed Al Khalifa of Bahrain had a good laugh at our presidents expense.
Mohammed was a clown and a wannabe prophet...hilarious ain't it?

327 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:36:57am

Chevron's big GOMEX find is several years, and a billion or so dollars, away from production.

Supplies aren't too tight, and fears that the US will challenge Iran's nuclear program with military action are fading.

Now, of course, I fear that we won't challenge Iran's nuclear program. There is a Discarded Lies thread, about an NRO piece by former Bush speechwriter Frum, that says he thinks Bush has accepted that if diplomacy fails, Iran will get nukes.


Getting back to the Democrats winning the House, and Pelosi and Conyers and Dingell taking over the leadership. Action against Iran will be almost impossible for Bush then. The Dems will open hearings over everything, and will be issuing subpoenas to everyone in the Administration, and attempting to compel testimony over Bush's plans for Iran, along with everything else. (Of course, impeachment proceedings may also start, whether or not there is a Republican (or sufficiently slim Democrat) Senate margin for the 67 votes to convict)). But, as the nut-roots will be in the leadership, with policy set by KoS and DU, attempts to toy with the budget, to restrict funding so as to make the war in Iraq untenable, and make a war in Iran difficult, is also a real possibility.

328 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:38:11am

Maybe Israel should just casually drop a few bombs on Iran and we could all have a chuckle about it?

329 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:38:26am

#317 superninja

Throw the UN out of this country. It is made up of mostly despotic clowns.

They've met in Geneva before, they can do it again. Let the Swiss support their corrupt little Dictators' Club.

330 Cartman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:38:27am

#293 Pro

It's kind of depressing that we are outnumbered by probably 50-1.

Just where did you arrive at that ratio?

331 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:39:00am
#320 superninja

Ahmy should've been arrested because Iran is a terrorist supporting nation and publicly stated he wants to nuke Israel. Chavez supports Iran, which is a terrorist supporting nation.

Sure, they're both reprehensible but the can't be arrested because they're heads of state, invired to address the U.N.. What part of diplomatic imunity and our obligarions as the U.N. host country are so hard to understand?

/you know, the diplomatic immunity protects our people too

332 GregInSeattle  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:39:22am

What is the DEAL with these freaks?

They just need an external enemy to stay in power?

333 JKWEST  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:39:47am

Drudge has a transcript up.

334 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:39:49am

So Ahmy is promising peace and love. Gee, this all sounds familiar.

335 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:40:17am

I'm really disappointed to see that the Great Muslim Adventure Day at six flags* amusement park in NJ was rained out.

Six Flags Great Adventure in NJ to be transformed into "The Great Muslim Adventure Day" by Al Qaeda linked group 9/15/06

[Link: www.militantislammonitor.org...]
I thought it may have been BS so I checked here:
[Link: www.icnanj.org...]

/sarc - Allah must not have been willing
* Geez, is the United States flag included in that six?

336 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:41:37am

#329 Spiney Norman

I agree. Let's see how they like being under the thumb of China, Russian and Iran.

337 liberality  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:42:47am

Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?

And you call yourself an American? Perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a nation where freedom of speech is not enshrined in the constitution.

Let the nut spew his bile. Intelligent people take it for what it's worth. That's the American way.

338 ghost707  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:43:39am

Hugo Chavez is going to be bumped off by his own people.

What's the price of oil now?

339 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:44:11am
#322 SaneInMN

Then I guess all U.S. Presidents may as well scrap any future overseas travel plans because of the chance of reciprocity.

No, reciprocity would only apply to US Presidents visiting Iran and Venezuela

Think again, there's even people in Europe that would love to arrest Bush for "war crimes". And that's just Europe.

/all I'm saying is that there's a good reason for having diplomatic immunity and it works both ways

340 Sheepdogess  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:45:43am

I'm having another "I'm dead and in HELL" days. They are occurring far more frequently these days.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/posters/images/pp_us_ 224.jpg

341 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:48:23am

Liberality
Call him "Chuck". He hates that.

342 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:48:27am

#337 liberality

Perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a nation where freedom of speech is not enshrined in the constitution.

I didn't know that our Constitution extended to foreigners who wish to kill/maim/destroy us and tear down that Constitution and replace it with an Islamic system of law and justice. Learned something new today.

343 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:49:27am

#39 Killian Bundy

Last I checked, Bush hasn't threatened to wipe a country off the face of the Earth. We are currently rebuilding Afghanistan and Iraq who we attacked.

There is no excuse. The problem is no longer that he even is speaking, but that he is accepted by the international community as a legitimate voice and they like him simply because he represents a challenge to percieved US hegemony.

They are fools!

344 akak  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:50:35am

Bush shakes Abbas's hand
Abbas shakes Hamas hand
Hamas says to Amanutter, job done

How is George on our side?

345 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:51:48am

Hello, aka. Well, the Abbas handshake is conditional. :)

346 Murqtaad  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:51:57am

Killian,

Hate to break it to ya, but the real Diplomatic Immunity only exists in America. Let's see a diplomat in a islamic country take the pulpit and call Mo a pedophile. See what happens then.

I'm sure they would say, "hey, he's a diplomat, let him speak his mind."

347 Bill Amos  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:53:30am
Then I guess all U.S. Presidents may as well scrap any future overseas travel plans because of the chance of reciprocity.

Excuse me but didnt I see some efforts to arrest Rumsfeld as a war criminal in Europe ?

And plans to bring charges against Bush in the Hague ?

I agree Id rather have the people of Venezula and Iran handle their own despots. We dont need to arrest them here.

348 akak  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:55:30am

Conditional annihilation of the jews by Abbas & co?

349 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:55:31am

Since we have abandoned reason for post-modern thought, the LLL will probably have no problem embracing Ahmy's words.

However, one look at what he is promising and the reality of the horror that is Iran (and almost every Muslim country being a spiritual and intellectual prison) should give them pause.

But it won't.

350 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:55:47am

#345 superninja

W had his other hand behind his back, fingers crossed.

351 journeyscarab  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:55:58am

Send that knob Noam you're comments on the talking pineapples endorsement of his book.

chomsky@mit.edu

352 bolivar  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:56:02am

Mogadishu sounds like a real good place for the UN - they will have to import some food, cars, hookers - what else might they need? Can we take up a collection - paypal, how about a phone bank call 1-800-fu%&theun and give us your pledge.

Get them the hell out of the US and drop them like the vermin they are. To have this scumbag spew on our soil and have ANYBODY listen and laugh makes me want to puke.

353 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:59:45am

#323 Athos

There's one position of thought that states that the US is the 'big dog' and above lowering itself to the level of dialogue like this with the likes of Ahmawhackjob and Hugo. It's like the big dog ignoring the yapping of the little dog - even though one bite eliminates the little dog.

This is how a person from the State Dept explained it once to friends...but, fundamentally, I think that you are right.

That's because that person is one of those who refuses to judge good and evil. Our rhetoric shouldn't consist of juvenile references to "devils" and "sulfur", but should be a direct, rational, uncompromising representation of our political principles. No games, no evasion, no diplospeak, no Stone Age mentality.

This person fails to see the most obvious difference. It doesn't matter that some savage in Burundi denounces the U.S. to his fellow savages. But this situation is leaders of hostile nations coming to our country, immune to our laws, paid for by our taxes, to threaten and ridicule us. By allowing it, we approve of it.

And these animals don't just bark, they bite. They use force to destroy our commerce abroad, to forge alliances among enemy nations, and to attack us at home and on foreign soil. That's not just a little dog yapping.

There is a refusal to judge good and evil as well as a refusal to hold someone accountable for their positions, actions, and words. It's as if the only acceptable speech is groupspeak.

That groupspeak takes the specific form of multiculturalism, which is the doctrine of crippling the most productive, peaceful nations on earth in favor of the most demanding, destructive ones.

354 moonsbreath  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:00:09am

If Billary wins, how will she handle all this?

355 Van Impe  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:00:31am

Here'a prediction:

BBC's "Have Your Say" webpage will ask the question "Is Chavez correct, is Bush the devil?"

356 Murqtaad  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:01:08am

...

357 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:01:50am

BTW, from my reading of the 1973 War Powers Act, while the Congress must authorize the use of force within 60 days, or vote to extend by another 60 days, Congress can order an immediate withdrawl of forces by joint Senate and House resolution.


Ergo, if the Democrats were to also pick up the Senate in November, its game over, Iran builds the bomb.

358 Owl  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:02:21am

Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?


I think the important words are " THIS MAN... "

He's not an American, and ( at least until some liberal judge rules it to be so) he doesn't have the 1st Amendment right to free speech.

I doubt the Founding Fathers ever intended to allow a foriegn ENEMY of the United States to come on US soil and declare a war against it's people, slander the President and push his agenda to rule the world in a forum within the USA.

This applies to clerics from Iran too, btw.

Oh and Chavez, that smell you smell is the burning evil in your own heart.

359 X  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:02:30am

#341 Peacekeeper

Call him "Chuck". He hates that.

How do you know?

360 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:02:55am

You are the same aka from FPM, right?

No, Bush is not for the annihilation of the Jews.

361 akak  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:05:23am

no FPM for me, why he is shaking hands with Hamas aka Iran?

362 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:07:29am
#346 Murqtaad

Hate to break it to ya, but the real Diplomatic Immunity only exists in America. Let's see a diplomat in a islamic country take the pulpit and call Mo a pedophile. See what happens then.

They'd probably be kicked out of the country, not arrested. That's the usual procedure.

/as far as I remember, Iran's the only country that's violated the sovereignty of a U.S. embassy

363 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:08:31am
I emphatically declare that today's world, more than ever before, longs for just and righteous people with love for all humanity; and above all longs for the perfect righteous human being and the real savior who has been promised to all peoples and who will establish justice, peace and brotherhood on the planet.

O, Almighty God, all men and women are your creatures and you have ordained their guidance and salvation. Bestow upon humanity that thirsts for justice, the perfect human being promised to all by you, and make us among his followers and among those who strive for his return and his cause. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


anyone notice the conspicuous absence of the words FREEDOM and LIBERTY and EQUALITY?!?

exactly WHO decides what is righteous and just in this "new brotherhood"?

*hint: babba says it has lots of whores*


re #271 jackburton

Threaten us with economic sanctions and we'll just slap an stop order on all the imports of everyone who supports the sanctions. Cut off the spigot to the world's largest consumer nation and see what happens to your economy. We'll still have our loyal trading partners and cripple the rest of the tyrants. Come up with a solution for oil and kiss the middle east goodbye and let those assholes keep killing each other until there are none left, which would make the whole adventure worthwhile in the first place.

HEAR, HEAR! I second that motion!

364 Amalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:08:35am

#202 godfrey 9/20/2006 09:39AM PDT

{Amalie}

My guess he's making it for his cronies back in Caracas and for potential supporters of that nutbar in Bolivia.

He wants power, period. Thumping his chest at The Man (USA) is a proven strategy for getting Lefty support, wherever.

{godfrey}

Reminds me so much of the savannah of Africa.. this little alpha male preening and throwing monkey poop.. till the other tribe comes along with bones..

/2001 A Space Odyssey

365 Cartman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:09:07am

Chavez once again calls the POTUS El Diablo.

366 Job  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:10:48am

Wow. This guy is one of a kind. We should kick Citgo out of the country.

367 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:10:58am

#353 Lazarus

Yeah, but the problem is we have the Democratic Party who think morality and aboslutes are inconvenient. And they get elected.

368 Murqtaad  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:11:36am

Killian,

/as far as I remember, Iran's the only country that's violated the sovereignty of a U.S. embassy

Lets repay the favor.

369 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:11:45am
#343 superninja

Last I checked, Bush hasn't threatened to wipe a country off the face of the Earth. We are currently rebuilding Afghanistan and Iraq who we attacked.

There is no excuse

Fine, give Bush a call and have him order DSS/USSS to arrest Ahmadinejad and Chavez innediately, before they leave New York.

So, what happens next? Do you really think that would be a good idea and work out well for the U.S. in the end?

/I hardly think so

370 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:13:03am

#362 Killian Bundy

They wouldn't need to be arrested because the Arab street would do their dirty work for them.

371 ZionistYoungster  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:13:53am

#333 JKWEST

The Commies at CounterPunch have also dutifully supplied a transcription.

372 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:14:42am

#369 Killian Bundy

It's too late for that now. The assembly has been chuckling right along with them.

Throw the entire UN out of the US.

373 paint-right  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:14:56am

This may already have been said and said better, but I would really like to see what would happen if we bring the troops home, from everywhere, build the fences, put the troops at the borders and pipe in our own oil and just go on with our lives and wait..

Just wait for the first beggar to ask for our help.

And wait some more.

/Sorry - but their laughter got to me.

374 Joshua Godinez  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:15:01am

#15 HeatherRadish

Brilliant! Yes, yes yes! Move the U.N. to Paris. That puts it in the center of Muslim influence some might say, but that's already the case. The physical location should match the political one.

Only drawback is that we send American citizens there to participate and they might get hurt. So, there's that.

375 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:16:37am

PS... I'd slap that Bahraini beyotch if she ever got within reach. Evil!

376 Joel  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:17:24am

Ahamdineajad last night, Chavez today - call an extermnator!

377 looking closely  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:17:51am

#331 Killian,

You mean this diplomatic immunity?

A bit more seriously, I agree with the "let the blowhards blow" philosophy. If the America haters of the world want to spew at the UN, why shouldn't we give them that chance?

Let everyone hear what they have to say then make up their own minds and/or respond appropriately.

378 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:18:28am
#368 Murqtaad

Lets repay the favor.

TThey don't have an embassy here, only a mission, because we broke diplomatic relations with Iran in 1979.

/Ahmadinejad was allowed to travel here because Iran is a member of the U.N. and as part of our agreement as the U.N. host country, we agee not to [expletive deleted] with U.N. diplomats, it's that simple, although it doesn't mean we don't routinely spy and eavesdrop on them

379 Joel  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:19:18am

Did Cindy Sheehan do a Lewinsky on him before he spoke?

380 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:21:23am

A nobel award-winning performance.

381 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:23:14am

I would feel better about moonbat leader speeches if they were announced from French soil, not US.

382 Daisy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:27:05am

#374 Joshua Godinez

"Yes, yes yes! Move the U.N. to Paris.. "

While I appreciate both your and Heather R's sentiments (burning mobs etc.) .. the shopping, food etc. is too darned good in Paris (which is why these tin pot dictators love to come to the UN in NYC) .. No, I'm more inclined to the Congo ... where-ever it is that the crazy gorillas live .. no place to shop .. no 5 star hotels or restaurants .. you know .. the Congo .. "where indigenous people live in harmony with the earth free of oppression" - that place :) .

383 squeegy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:30:16am

For once I can actually agree with something Hugo says.

Move the UN out of the United States. Its become nothing more than a soapbox from which to prop up thugs and tyrants to the level of other world leaders.

Anything which denegrates the United States is endorsed and encouraged by the UN.

Its a sham

384 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:32:06am
as far as I remember, Iran's the only country that's violated the sovereignty of a U.S. embassy


Which is an act of war. Technically, the United Nations is a foreign embassy IIRC. So the "foreign diplomats" get to say and do whatever they want. But the U.S. Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution does not have anything to do with a "foreign diplomats" ability to say anything, no matter how crazed or suicidal or outrageous. Any "Free Speech" argument based on American law is inapplicable. They can get away with murder.

My vote is to move the UN to france, and send them one dollar a year in monetary support.

385 Havoc  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:32:24am

#378 Killian Bundy

So are you with the Group that believes they are a pain in the (expletives deleted) but easier to spy on, humiliate in congressional investigations, audit, jail, ... if they leave it in New York.

OR, are you with the group that wants to stop enabling the drug money addicted thug occoracies, Oil money banana republics and fascist neo-communists with market economies ?

And just tell them to move to Caracas, Havana, Sarajevo or Beruit and put up a new building themselves without American, Japanese and U.K. money we'd rather use to build roads and schools or patrol the maritime lanes with gunboats ?

386 afdad  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:34:39am

Just reminded me of a movie produced in the US back in the 1980's called "Weird Science".

Here all this time, I thought the incident where Kelly Lebrock turned brother 'Chet' into a massive fly encrusted turd was fantasy. Who knew! Now I know where Kelly moved to after all these years. She must have relocated to Caracas, Venezuela. How else to explain that pile of feces speaking at the UN today!

Fact is, let it mold for a few days, and it would easily pass for AhmaMuppetJihadi as well.

387 John Gibbon  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:34:45am

I wonder how many Venezuelans will come up on the net and express how embarrassed they are of their "President(e)" performance at the UN?

388 new2thezoo  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:36:06am

Hugo's also pushing this latest novella...
Regards,
new

389 Daisy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:39:31am

Apologies is this is a repeat. May have missed it ..

Chavez is now doing Islamo-speak w/the Satan thing .. crossing himself was a diversion (for which he'd be beheaded in Saudi Arabia). He's aligned himself fully with the Islamists. Down to speaking a shared language.

Bush = Big Satan and of course, Israel = Little Satan. Disgusting.

390 Havoc  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:39:48am

Ward Cleaver

There is one thing I can agree with Ted,

and really no one should have them

But in a world populated with dangerous people who DO have them ...

... I'll continue to support the Pres. on Plan B.

Ted -- infantile as always. I had a fairly outrageous friend and college prof who beat Ted in the Chicago to Mackinaw single hander about 1977 or so.

It was Leon's first and only try at the single hander 360 mile race

... and he won ... in a modified Cal25

Ted never got over it.

391 Globular Cluster  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:40:05am

C'mon Charles -- it IS funny! The guy is fucking comedian.

392 THX-42  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:41:06am

Just an observation. The very fact that Bush ignores them, like irrelevant barely bothersome gnats, is precisely what makes Chavez, Ahmahdinejad, and even our own LLL's go ballistic. They keep ratcheting up the lunacy level because they can't believe that Bush just won't respond to their rants.

Sooner or later, the smackdown will come. They'll find out the hard way who has the big hammer.

393 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:47:59am

210 Ward Cleaver. My 10th grade English teacher taught me that dogs go mad, but people become angry.

:-)

394 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:48:23am

#342 EC Marm,

#337 liberality


Perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a nation where freedom of speech is not enshrined in the constitution.

I didn't know that our Constitution extended to foreigners who wish to kill/maim/destroy us and tear down that Constitution and replace it with an Islamic system of law and justice. Learned something new today.

Me neither. And guess what. Liberality wants you to pay for the abuse while you're at it. It continues to amaze me how people define free speech.

I would like to see Liberality go tell its boss to F.O. or at the next dinner invite tell the host it will burn his house down and see how far its free speech rights can be extended.

395 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:48:39am
#385 Havoc

So are you with the Group that believes they are a pain in the (expletives deleted) but easier to spy on, humiliate in congressional investigations, audit, jail, ... if they leave it in New York.

Yes, count me among this group.

OR, are you with the group that wants to stop enabling the drug money addicted thug occoracies, Oil money banana republics and fascist neo-communists with market economies ?

It would be great if we could stop funding the U.N. or just quit altogether. If we did either of those things, however, we'd lose our permanent seat on the Security Council which allows us to veto all sorts of crazy ass nonsense.

/don't get me wrong, I think the U.N. sucks big time, I just don't see how quitting it would put us in a better position with regard to international relations, currently, it's pretty much the only playing field most everbody agrees on

396 Zack  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:49:39am

Chavez holds one-hour newsconference. Warns Bush against attacking Iran or Venezuela, says oil would spike to $200 barrel.

In that case, we better make it worth our while. Tell the Air Force boys to triple the ordinance yeilds on that surgical strike we were planning, but wait til our pal Hugo is safely back home. :^)

397 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:52:23am

223 Ward Cleaver. My 9 year old son wanted to write an email to the president at the White House last night about why we let somebody as evil as the Iran leader into our country. My husband and I said no because nobody would ever read it. Perhaps I'll let my son call that number.

I wonder if it would get their attention that even kids can figure out that it's wrong.

398 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:53:26am

Thanks for the debate, gotta run.

/boring legal CLE awaits

399 cranky  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:54:48am

Chavez makes his argument for why he should be assainated. Might be time to withhold our UN contribution so some of these clowns miss a pay check or two.

400 el brujo  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:55:47am

IRMAAOTF when I heard this:

"The American democracy is a democracy of elites..."

and then followed by something like this:

"Aristo will not recognize this democracy."

What a disregard for historical facts. Besides chomsky the guy has not probably not read one history book!

401 liberality  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 9:58:58am

I didn't know that our Constitution extended to foreigners

Protections under the constitution apply to everyone in U.S. jurisdictions. It is the law of the land, not the law of just certain people.

You have learned something new today; you're welcome.

It continues to amaze me how people define free speech.

I define it the way the Founding Fathers defined it:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

which is why anyone saying, "Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?" is, simply, anti-American.

Americans are intelligent enough to discern Chavez's batshit crazy rhetoric for what it is; we do not need a Bureau of Approved Thought making that decision for us.

402 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:00:03am

318 Samhein that's brilliant. There is a town called North Pole, Alaska.

403 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:01:16am

#395 Killian,

It would be great if we could stop funding the U.N. or just quit altogether. If we did either of those things, however, we'd lose our permanent seat on the Security Council which allows us to veto all sorts of crazy ass nonsense.

/don't get me wrong, I think the U.N. sucks big time, I just don't see how quitting it would put us in a better position with regard to international relations, currently, it's pretty much the only playing field most everbody agrees on

Usually, you and I seem to be on the same page but not this time. Throwing money down a rat hole because it is the only rat hole available doesn't sound like a wise use of scarce resources to me. You spend money on things that provide you with benefit. What little benefit we receive at the U.N. is more than offset by the scandal and thuggery. To think that we allow for all practical purposes a dictator in the heart of our #1 city, recently hit with WMD, to degrade a President elected by the majority of our populace is beyond stupid IMHO.

The fact of the matter is, the U.N. is a joke and it doesn't work. With our media, we don't need a national stage to represent our national views. ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, and CNNHN do that a plenty now. Bush can say everything he needs to from the comfort of the Oval Office. It's way overdue to give the U.N. the collective bird. I don't care where they put it. But I don't want it within the confines of our border.

404 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:06:52am

#99 JammieWearingFool ~

I wouldn't waste time getting upset over these lunatics.

But what the GOP should do is run ads with this idiot next to Democrats who basically say the same shit every day.

That, and raze the UN building.

Maybe Rove can call his maintainence people out at JFK and arrange a little mischief.

Oooo, love it.

405 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:07:52am

#403 goodbye_natalie
I have to go run and pick up my wife. Would you please continue the 7th grade civics lesson for our dear "liberality" in #401? Might need to mention how her right to "Free Speech" does not apply to U.S. citizens in other countries. Thanks!

406 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:08:38am

Liberality,

You sound like a great lib. Here, let me provide a small reminder of who just spoke at the U.N. that you like to grant privilege to:

Liberality's Hero

Or

Liberality's Comrade

Good thing our leadership didn't think like you in about 1941. We wouldn't have had to worry about Hugo's rights. I don't know what part of your brain doesn't allow you to differentiate between American citizen and enemy of the state, but you really need to reconnect the synapses.

407 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:08:42am

#367 superninja

Yeah, but the problem is we have the Democratic Party who think morality and aboslutes are inconvenient. And they get elected.

So do the Republicans, and they are only percentage points more pro-American. The difference is like 3% vs. 6%. This Republican Congress can't spend money fast enough on capitalism-suffocating pork. And the President supports this theft. The Republicans also think morality and absolutes are inconvenient. They just differ on which morals and absolutes to throw out.

The problem isn't political. It isn't Right vs. Left. It's philosophical. It's reality vs. fantasy. It's reason vs. whim. It's right vs. wrong. It's rights vs. force. That's the basis on which the American people need to operate in order to survive.

408 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:12:31am

Lazarus. Great posts. Glad you came back :)

409 Bill K.  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:13:15am

Why can't our inarticulate President stop turning the other cheek and release a paint blistering rhetorical blast at those exquisite bastards Amadinejhad and Chavez, who for some unfathomable reason were allowed into this country, that would leave little doubt that their lives and their regimes were hanging by a thread? It is a disgrace that the most powerful nation on earth does not respond when these two little creeps shit all over us in our own country. Bush could say... Oh forget about it.

The least he could do is have Condi Rice give them a good scolding.

410 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:15:53am
Lazarus. Great posts. Glad you came back :)

Agreed!

411 Aegius  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:25:01am

#401 Liberality

I agree with you on that. Let Chavez speak his lunacy. It will clarify the wacko that he is.

412 thinkingmom  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:29:23am

#395 Killian,

I just don't see how quitting it would put us in a better position with regard to international relations, currently, it's pretty much the only playing field most everbody agrees on.

The free world shouldn't agree on it. Get the UN out of our country, and use the building for a new organization consisting of those countries willing to stand against the forces of oppression and darkness (and, of course rabid anti-Americanism). What if, say, India joined, and Australia, and the former Eastern Bloc, and Japan, and possibly other western European countries besides Denmark?...Time to choose sides.

413 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:31:41am

#408 funky chicken and #410 ChicagoBlue

Thanks! That's really nice of you guys to say. But I never left. I just go quiet for a while when there isn't much to say.

414 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:31:55am

403 goodbye natalie. Agreed

415 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:37:11am

#407 Lazarus

I couldn't agree with you more. However, the Dems are simply unelectable, and the Repubs are the only reasonable alternative.

416 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:40:02am

#415 superninja

I couldn't agree with you more. However, the Dems are simply unelectable, and the Repubs are the only reasonable alternative.

The Republicans are the only current alternative. If this country is going to survive, we need a new party that takes American ideals seriously, and that's what Americans need to support, not the lesser of two evils.

417 sss111  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:49:44am

Looks more and more like WW4 will be The Third World vs. the West.

What an uneven match. I feel sorry for the third worlders. (Why do you think they're called "third worlders?")

418 kougar  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:56:30am

May have already been brought up- Will Chavez and his ilk submit to Islam? Is he a Moozlem? Or is this the enemy of my is my friend mentality?

419 raven1  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 10:58:28am

I haven' read this thread, so please excuse me if the following has been mentioned. Since we have as guests most of the evil people in the world visiting New York City right now, shouldn't we kill them all and save the world a whole bunch of trouble?

420 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:03:25am

#401 liberality

I define [free speech] the way the Founding Fathers defined it:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

which is why anyone saying, "Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?" is, simply, anti-American.

Americans are intelligent enough to discern Chavez's batshit crazy rhetoric for what it is; we do not need a Bureau of Approved Thought making that decision for us.

The Founding Fathers didn't define free speech in the Constitution, nor does the Constitution serve the purpose of naming or defining rights. The First Amendment is a point of emphasis that identifies that the government may not violate our right to free speech. That leaves the question of what free speech is entirely unadressed.

The Founding Fathers, wisely!, stated that the Constitution is not a list of rights (the Ninth Amendment), nor is the Constitution the source of our rights (the Tenth Amendment). Rights originate in the people of the United States, and the Constitution identifies how the government protects those rights and how it may not violate those rights.

The right to free speech is the right to express one's ideas so long as that expression does not violate anyone else's rights. That excludes forcing someone to give you a platform, defrauding in a contract by misrepresentation; libeling/slandering/defaming you, which is a form of force; and threatening you. All those exercises violate the rights of others and must be criminalized.

You argue that prohibiting someone from threatening America on U.S. soil is anti-American. You are arguing for suicide.

Americans are not intelligent enough to reject Chavez's threats. That's why we're in this mess. If the people didn't tolerate it, we wouldn't elect leaders who deal with such animals. For good or ill, people deserve the government they get.

421 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:07:41am

#419 raven1

Since we have as guests most of the evil people in the world visiting New York City right now, shouldn't we kill them all and save the world a whole bunch of trouble?

Yes, and then we should prepare for the ensuing war, which we only postpone by appeasement, and in doing so, make victory immeasurably more difficult.

422 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:11:42am

#401 Bill-of-Rights-as-Suicide-pact-Sophist

which is why anyone saying, "Why is this man allowed to say these kinds of things on American soil?" is, simply, anti-American.

Since your reading of the US Constitution extends the rights of American citizens to every person on the face of the earth, does the US governement have no right to expell (or refuse the right of entry) any foreigner, even if he calls for the destruction of the United States itself?

Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmedejinad, Kim Jong Il and all the other piss-pot fascist twats are protected by the diplomatic immunity of the United Nations, not the US Constitution. The US can (and has before) refuse to allow them into the country to spew their bile. The General Assembly has met in Geneva on those occasions, and they damn well can again.

What a pompous ass.

423 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:15:18am

#418 kougar

Will Chavez and his ilk submit to Islam? Is he a Moozlem? Or is this the enemy of my is my friend mentality?

In any conflict of ideologies, the more consistently defended ideology wins. South America's ephemeral tin-pot fascism can't even come close to jihad. His detente is merely buying time for its funeral, a la Churchill's alligator. Venezuela, and the Latin American racist dictatorships as a whole, have neither the ideological will nor the material means to fend off the Caliphate. The ummah is all-consuming. They will stop at nothing.

424 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:17:09am

Sheesh. A suspect internet connection forced me to attempt 3 separate times in 10+ minutes to post my comment, and in the meantime, Lazarus says much the same thing, only better.

Harumph!

425 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:18:12am

#416 Lazarus

The only way for this to be accomplished is for members of the Republican party (Tom Coburn, Tancredo, etc.) that are serious to faction off and form another party.

Otherwise, I don't see this occurring because all they will do is siphon off votes and give Democrats the win.

426 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:22:10am

#425 superninja

Otherwise, I don't see this occurring because all they will do is siphon off votes and give Democrats the win.

The America Firsters did that in 1992 with the little general, Ross Perot. Gee, thanks guys, that really showed 'em.

427 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:27:15am

#425 superninja

Well, I agree that I don't see it occurring, either, but a total reform is the only answer. I agree that a small amount of hope could be found in a handful of the best Republicans breaking off, and that we may see, but even they would still require a major philosophical overhaul in championing the principles of reason, rights, freedom, and independence, and I just don't see that happening. Still, such a break may at least produce better politics than what we have now.

#424 Spiny Norman

It's slow here, too. 4500 visitors -- probably explains it. Glad to know we're so popular today.

428 Odinist  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:28:04am

In case you didn't know- Citgo gas stations in America are tied to Chavez and his government's oil company.

I, for one, will not patronize a Citgo, except in dire emergency!

429 Odinist  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:31:49am

#425 superninja

Right on!

The country needs a few more real parties. Down with the 2-party system!

430 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:34:29am

#427 Lazarus

The first step in my opinion would be to get rid of professional politicians. Term limits and limits on the number of times you can hold office. We need to have citizen legislators again.

Gingrich made a whole lot of promises that they never followed through on when they gained a Republican majority under Clinton.

431 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:43:42am

#430 superninja

The problem isn't how long they're in office, but the power they have in office. Namely, they have the power to wreck the Constitution and personal liberty. Besides, if one day, we were able to get good politicians in, I would want them there, protecting our rights, as long as they were willing. I couldn't imagine saying to a modern George Washington or James Madison, "Thanks for keeping us free, but your time has run out."

I know you mean well with that solution, but it is a cheap attempt to fix the false (!) alternative of indefinite corrupt politicians or one-term corrupt politicians. Let's stop supporting corruption, period.

432 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:45:05am

#429 Odinist

Since the Democratic Party is becoming more unhinged as we speak, a second party makes more and more sense, simply to fill the gap.

The Republicans can fill the "centrist/moderate" role and a Constitutional party can fill the role held formerly by the Republicans.

That way they can run losers like McCain for president without making the rest of us choke.

433 Aegius  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:45:49am
#406 goodbye_natalie 9/20/2006 12:08PM PDT
Liberality,

You sound like a great lib. Here, let me provide a small reminder of who just spoke at the U.N. that you like to grant privilege to:

Liberality's Hero

Or

Liberality's Comrade

Good thing our leadership didn't think like you in about 1941. We wouldn't have had to worry about Hugo's rights. I don't know what part of your brain doesn't allow you to differentiate between American citizen and enemy of the state, but you really need to reconnect the synapses.

I don't know if Liberality is a liberal. Still, I want Hugo Chavez to speak as much as possible at the UN. Same with Ahma-wacko-job. The UN will fall into disgrace and disrepute. We will then be able to pull out with popular support.

I don't have a prob. with ambassadors or heads of state at the UN speaking criticism, but Chavez went way too far. If he called Clinton "the devil" I would be horrified as well. Given this kind of crap that occurs at the UN, it's time to leave the UN.

It's = it is.

434 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:47:31am

#431 Lazarus

I would think limits would minimize the amount of damage they could do while in office. We don't need further policy, we need policy repealed.

Also, we need citizens to participate in our government, not "good politicians" comfortable in that role for years on end. They can run for other offices, if they're so excellent!

435 beavereater  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:48:42am

IMPEACH McCain!

436 kougar  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:54:48am

#423 Lazarus

So Chaves is the useful idiot for the Moozlems given his geographical influence?

437 the_flying_pig  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:57:27am

Hm, Chavez stated that he still smell the sulfur from yesterday? Well, yesterday Bush was in the morning speech and Ahmadinejad made the speech last night. Surely, Ahmadinejad would have notice the smell but he didn't say anything about it.

So, therefore Chavez must have really smell the sulfur from Ahmadinejad.

438 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 11:59:12am

#434 superninja

I would think limits would minimize the amount of damage they could do while in office.

It certainly would. It would similarly limit the amount of good they could do. They only argument for term limits is if you think politicians are necessarily doomed to do more bad than good.

We don't need further policy, we need policy repealed.

We need bad policy repealed and good policy enforced. Don't you want policy in place that protects your rights and politicians in office to implement that policy? I do.

439 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:00:22pm
Hm, Chavez stated that he still smell the sulfur from yesterday?


He who smelt it, dealt it.
;-)

440 Odinist  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:03:01pm

#432 superninja

That is an excellent idea, however, the old school Democrats won't go over to even a moderate Republican party. It would have to be named the Democratic Republicans or some such. Then the Leftists could use their catch phrase of the "Progressive Party".

McCain- Unfortunatly, I think Vietnam scarred him more than physically. I really question his ability in government.

441 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:03:55pm

Wonder if Hugo's gonna visit his girlfriend while he's here.

442 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:05:06pm

#436 kougar

So Chaves is the useful idiot for the Moozlems given his geographical influence?

Yeah, I'd say so. The Islamofascists only like him to the extent that he weakens America. You know that behind closed doors they are plotting his execution. Observe which way the alliance went. Chavez went to support Ahmanajihad, not the other way around. That tells you everything about who's calling the shots. The only trump Chavez has is oil. He doesn't even have armies of jihadist Venezuelans or military might or technology to offer the Caliphate. Just black gold.

443 sharona  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:09:04pm

Check this out: In today's "Best of The Web" solumn from the Wall Street Journal online editions, James Taranto starts off today's e-mail with a dig at Hugo Chavez (and it's a doozy) ...

He Who Smelt It . . .

"It smells of sulfur still today," said Venezuela's screwball strongman, Hugo Chavez, in a speech before the U.N. General Assembly. "Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the president of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world."

Love it, love it, love it!

444 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:12:30pm

#433 Aegius

Still, I want Hugo Chavez to speak as much as possible at the UN. Same with Ahma-wacko-job. The UN will fall into disgrace and disrepute. We will then be able to pull out with popular support.

This is a terribly dangerous fallacy. The assumption is that by Chavez speaking his poisonous threats, he will be identified as such and made to pay. But we can easily see that that is not the case. Thugs come here and threaten and mock with impunity, and our leaders equivocate, deny, and apologize. And appease and ask for more such dialogue venom. And Americans look the other way -- those that aren't explicitly cheering it.

Bringing posion out into the open is only more damaging when the audience neither recognizes it nor has any intention of curing it.

445 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:15:19pm

#438 Lazarus


Professional politicians do more harm than good at this point. They camp out in DC and start hanging out at Hill parties getting chummy with the enemy. :)

We need bad policy repealed and good policy enforced, without a doubt.

There was already great policy in place to protect my rights before the pols started tinkering with it and reading imagined rights into it and subtracting and imposing on mine.

446 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:16:47pm

#443 sharona

Lurking Faith beat Taranto to that one.

;^)

447 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:18:07pm

#446 Spiny Norman

American humor wins the day. Take that, Chavez!

448 Affinity  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:18:58pm

How amusing, the utter outrage here of why Chavez is being allowed to speak. This, coming from a place where every single thread allegedly defends FREEDOM OF SPEECH and DEMOCRACY. Hey, I guess freedom is speech is only relevant when defending hate-speech, bigotry, and slander at anything to do with muslims. Yup, freedom of speech when its convenenient for us. If not, then fuck it.

I sometimes wonder if this is a parody site, and you people intentionally keep contradicting your 'core values' for the amusement of those who stumble upon the site. It seems to be working.
Im amused.

449 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:20:54pm

#448 Affinity

Of course you are amused. So post-modern of ya.

450 Odinist  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:39:47pm

#448 Affinity

I think Chavez SHOULD be allowed to speak... just not here. He is a self described opponent of the US and should not be allowed in our country. Period. If he wants to speak, let him- he has his daily TV address in his own country, after all. We should not let our enemies into our country, and to think otherwise makes no sense to me.

451 Aegius  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:39:52pm

#448 Affinity

I WANT CHAVEZ to speak as much as possible. The guy is a lunatic. Let him disgrace himself and if he does it at the UN, good. Then he will disgrace the UN too.

I want the UN TO DIE. I want it DEAD. I loathe it.

#444 Lazarus


This is a terribly dangerous fallacy. The assumption is that by Chavez speaking his poisonous threats, he will be identified as such and made to pay. But we can easily see that that is not the case. Thugs come here and threaten and mock with impunity, and our leaders equivocate, deny, and apologize. And appease and ask for more such dialogue venom. And Americans look the other way -- those that aren't explicitly cheering it.

Bringing posion out into the open is only more damaging when the audience neither recognizes it nor has any intention of curing it.

He was preaching threats? More like incoherent lunacy really. Look if our leaders are wimps, then let's see them as wimps and then we can throw them out via elections. Howard Dean is a wimp, so he won't ever be president.

I don't think that most Americans are wimps or cowards and will look the other way. No. We will get mad at a certain point. FOr the most part we will yawn, but if you piss us off, look out. That's what happened at Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc.

The fact is the UN has gone way too far now and it's time to discuss a pull out.

Affinity - Take a position, please. Pull out of the UN or not? If not, why not? That's the issue here. No insults.

452 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:43:24pm

#448 Affinity

Hey dumbass, we (the US) are under no obligation to allow that corrupt POS into the country. The US Government has refused to allow shitbags like him into the country in the past (and should have this time). Their precious Dictators' Club has met in Geneva on those occasions before, when they thought pointless, grandstanding America-bashing was important enough. They could very well have done so again.

BTW, we can also expell him if we see fit, as we do with foreign "diplomats" we suspect of being spies... without having to charge them in court.

453 Gordon  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:51:03pm

Why are you so scared of Hugo Chavez, Charles, that you want to ban him from the U.S. despite our hosting of the United Nations?

Do you think our nation is that weak that we have anything to fear from a tinpot dictator clown like Chavez, even one with a lot of oil?

Better go hide under the bed, Charles. I hear Robert Mugabe will be coming to the UN soon.

454 itlog95  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:53:01pm

I would guess that the smell of sulphur was merely Chavez being hoist with his own petard. He looks like a rather flatulent type.

455 Jack Burton  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 12:53:44pm

Look, there's a couple of things we can't do, and a couple of things we can do.

First, we cannot kill or arrest, or even refuse entry to any of these idiots who are coming to the UN. Options one and two make all Americans abroad targets for immediate kidnap and murder. Option three, along with 1 and 2, tells the world that we can't take a little criticism.

We can of course, but there is no reason for us to put up with that bullshit on our own soil. For that reason, we should worry about what we can do. Pull out of the UN, and kick them out of our country. The money we would get from the site would be inconsequential in the grand scheme of things so we shouldn't worry about that. I would love to see, however, exactly how the UN would fare without 20% of their budget and without all the perks in terms of housing and such that they've come so accustomed to here in the US.

I think we can all agree that the UN is hopelessly broken and the only option is to start fresh. A new organization with strict rules of entry. Democratic elections, rule of law, equal rights and protections for all, free or reasonable free market cnditions and fair trade with other members of the organization. Beyond that, everyone is able to cut whatever deal they choose with non organizational members. Call it Council of Democratic Nations.

What would we accomplish. One, no more scum like Chavez attacking us on our own soil. No more worthless Kofi Annan's sponging off our funds and our hospitality. Hopefully, no more UN.

And most importantly, no more support and validation of little 3rd world dictators, Israel hating arabs (and everyone else apparently) and no more hypocrisy of membership such as having cuba on the human rights commission.

Make it back into what it was meant to be and make people earn membership with their actions and policies.

456 Odinist  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 1:00:33pm

# 453 Gordon

"Why are you so scared of Hugo Chavez, Charles, that you want to ban him from the U.S. despite our hosting of the United Nations?"

I think more people than just Charles distrust Chavez. They aren't scared of him, he is after all a "tinpot dictator clown". I also think this is a prime example of why the UN should be moved to a neutral country.

457 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 1:01:06pm

#451 Aegius

To me the problem is that Chavez is not a laughingstock in the UN.

They appreciate him and his lunatic speeches, and yes, they are a disgrace.

We should leave the UN and throw them out of our country.

458 Odinist  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 1:04:08pm

#455 Jack Burton

I agree, however, the UN will never submit to that- too much money to be made and power to be had!

Best thing is move them out of New York!

459 RTLM  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 1:06:10pm

And how about that gleeful translation of Chavez' "speech" by that female voicer.

460 superninja  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 1:08:46pm

Who wants to waste time doing business with a bunch of clowns who trample on rights of the individual and prop up dictatorships as some kind of moral authority?

The UN is an example of inverted morality. Where the US is antagonised and Chavez "charms" everyone.

461 missouri boy  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 1:19:34pm

The UN has been and always will be a hopeless joke. The whole concept is nothing more than a LLL feel good thingy. It has never worked and never will. Shut it down or make it move somewhere else.
US out of UN We have better places to waste money!

my opinion

462 ReligionOfGoatherds  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 1:56:44pm

Chavez crossed himself during the speech. Doesn't that display of Jesus-worship merit a fatwa?

463 WarBicycle  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 1:59:24pm
464 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 2:03:13pm
465 'sugarcoat'  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 2:13:48pm

I'm sorry.
The speech is laughable.
Only the desperate invoke the supernatural.

I didn't think the UN had time to listen to the Spanish Inquisition.

466 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 2:17:46pm

Gordon, Affinity and Liberality all weigh in on one thread? Some sort of strange trifecta of nuttiness.

I'll never forget the time the number 666 came up in the Pennsylvania Lottery. I just looked at my wife and laughed. "No way," was all I said. She knew the significance of the number, too. Funny story:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
BUT:
In a final bit of irony, in 2005, the combination 666 came up as the winning number for the 14th time in the history of the lottery... on April Fool's Day.

467 Odinist  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 2:19:50pm

#465 'sugarcoat'

"Only the desperate invoke the supernatural."

Quite a few of us invoke the supernatural on a daily basis through prayer to our various gods.

Lets just hope the gods of the insane idiots don't listen.

468 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 2:25:16pm

#466 EC Marm

Nice numerological creepiness. April 14th, 2005 -- 4/1/05 -- 4+1=5. And for the 14th time -- 1+4=5.

Plus,
6*6*6=216 -- 2+1+6=9.
6+6+6=18 -- 1+8=9.

469 aaron's rantblog  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 2:25:45pm

I think there is an appeal of the moorish influences in Latin America. Much latent and overt empathy for creating a New Andalusia.

Until we treat Ahmadinejad as Hitler, Chavez as Mussolini and Kim Jong-Il as Tojo, we're not close to having the right mindset to win this battle of civilizations.

470 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 2:29:48pm

#468 Lazarus
But the strangest part, (cue scary music) is that every ball EXCEPT the four and six were weighted down. So, statistically, the probability of "666" hitting would have been 1 in 8? (If my math is correct) But, still it hit.

471 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 2:40:52pm

#470 EC Marm

I'm confused. If you mean this was a "pick-three", where they draw three balls in which each drawing has ten balls numbered 0-9, then the range of possible winning numbers is 000-999, with the odds of any three-digit combination (like 666) being 1 in 1,000. If the balls for 4 and 6 were weighted so that they were less likely to be picked, then the odds are even worse than 1 in 1,000. Have I got your scenario right or am I missing something?

472 Cat  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 2:46:51pm

Uh, Hugo, that sulfur you smelt? Totally from Ahmedinejad.

473 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 2:50:15pm

Lazurus:
One last statistical oddity. The chance of "hitting" the lottery for a huge jackpot has been compared to being attacked by a shark or being struck by lightning. I have had lightning strike (and destroy five trees) within 50 feet of where I was standing less than 24 hours after I made the comment, "I really don't believe in a God that watches over us 24 hours a day." And, in Ocean City, Maryland I was floating on a boogey board when a foot tall fin popped out of the water 10 feet away from where my daughter and I were floating. Some fishermen were chumming about 300 feet away. Everyone scrambled for the sand and stayed out of the water for the rest of the day.

Should I buy lottery tickets?

474 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 2:53:26pm

#471 Lazarus
Every ball EXCEPT the four and the six were weighted. So I think the only possible winning combinations would be 444, 446, 464, 466, 644, 646, 664, or 666. I could be wrong, could be more.

475 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 3:08:30pm

#474 EC Marm

Oh, whoa, that's interesting. So the state is rigging the drawings, as if the statistical odds weren't already heavily in their favor? Yeesh.

476 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 3:14:25pm

#473 EC Marm

I have some bad news. The odds of you being attacked by a shark or hit by lightning are far, far greater than winning a big, multi-state lottery. The odds of winning the Powerball jackpot are 1 in 146 million. I play when the jackpot gets really big, but I'm a sucker. You're better off investing in stocks.

P.S. Did you hear about the NY woman who recently won the jackpot for the second time? The odds of that happening are in the trillions. Wow...

477 mbpaul[deleted]  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 3:25:07pm
478 EC Marm  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 3:31:59pm

Lazurus:
The fellow who rigged it was not with the state:

Nick Perry (1916-2003) was a television and radio personality who became infamous after being indicted in a scandal involving the rigging of the Pennsylvania Lottery, the 1980 Pennsylvania Lottery Scandal.

And just so I don't get labeled as a complete atheist, I didn't tell my wife I didn't believe in God. I only said I didn't believe he was watching over me 24 hours a day. (The lightning struck 23 hours 50 minutes later.) My wife made me promise I would never tell her boss, a Catholic nun, of my statement or the result. In my personal believe system, I now believe that HE has a tremendous sense of humor and irony. Sort of like when the odds are stacked so that the odds of 666 hitting are 1 out of 8, it still hits. :)

479 'sugarcoat'  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 3:43:40pm

#467 Odinist


Quietly communication with a force beyond human is one thing, but nowhere in your post did you claim 1) that God doesn't like me for posting, or 2) that I was Satan for doing so.

By invoking the supernatural as a powerplay, it's about like saying I have an invisible Roman army behind me as I type, ready to smote you down.

Which, of course, I do not. My house is too small.

I find it difficult to believe that Chavez has supernatural sight to see angels, devils, and/or unicorns.

480 aaron's rantblog  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 3:44:24pm

Bahrainian allies my ass...

481 Spiny Norman  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 3:52:55pm

#466 EC Marm

Gordon, Affinity and Liberality all weigh in on one thread? Some sort of strange trifecta of nuttiness.

The Trinity of Sanctimonious Nonsense.

482 maddogg  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 3:56:02pm

#466

Gordon, Affinity and Liberality all weigh in on one thread? Some sort of strange trifecta of nuttiness.

Naw, just a cluster fuck.

483 Odinist  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 4:22:10pm

#479 'sugarcoat'

Point given. Some religions are more tolerant than others, I guess...

BTW- I too do not think Chavez can see that kinda stuff without some hard core mind-altering drugs!

484 pablito  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 4:36:42pm

How much of this is Chavez simply trying to manipulate oil prices?

Every time Chavez and Dinnerjacket spew their bile, oil prices go up and their regimes make millions of dollars more.

Or maybe they're buying futures before their speeches and dumping them afterwards.

Didn't Bin Laden and co. do something like this on 9/11?

485 Lazarus  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 4:41:49pm

#484 pablito

How much of this is Chavez simply trying to manipulate oil prices?

I think they're probably very aware of that.

486 Odinist  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 4:49:17pm

#484 pablito

Gas and oil prices have been down in the US for a week. Imagine all the lost revenue to 'improve social conditions'! *cough*

I still say don't buy Citgo!

487 sngnsgt  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 5:23:33pm

DUmmies like Hugo Chavez.

488 TotallySirius  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 5:29:25pm

Didn't the same UN delegates that applauded Chavez condemn president Bush for "advocating the invasion of Iraq"?

Now these same "world leaders" are celebrating Almondinejihad's and Chavez' advocation for the destruction of the United States.

The bastards applauded these assholes.

This speaks more about the cesspool that the UN has become than it says about Amadjihadi and Chavez(we already knew they hated America).

489 rorschach  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:13:55pm
...“the US empire is on the way down, and it will soon be finished for the good of all mankind.”

But before we go, you will become a cinder, mother-@#$%#^%*.

490 AZfederalist  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 6:54:08pm

#173:

I emphatically declare that today's world, more than ever before, longs for just and righteous people with love for all humanity; and above all longs for the perfect righteous human being and the real savior who has been promised to all peoples and who will establish justice, peace and brotherhood on the planet.

O, Almighty God, all men and women are your creatures and you have ordained their guidance and salvation. Bestow upon humanity that thirsts for justice, the perfect human being promised to all by you, and make us among his followers and among those who strive for his return and his cause. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

About 2000 years too late Mahmoud. He has already come; unfortunately, you, in your blindness have rejected Him, the Son of the Almighty who achieved all of the things you claim above and, through His righteous sacrifice atoned for all of your sins, if you would only not reject Him. Instead, you have substituted a vain hope for a secular conqueror whose false promise is only to further your own humanist, selfish, perverted human lusts. Unfortunately, your continued rejection will lead to an end on that last great day that you will not find either to your liking nor in accordance with your false hope. It is not too late, your time of Grace is still open while you are alive -- listen to the Living Word and don't grieve the Spirit who gives true life and true freedom! All of the brothers and sisters in Christ pray for your conversion.

491 Marcsocalif  Wed, Sep 20, 2006 8:18:11pm

It's hard to believe that we tolerate this UN on our soil.

492 Atwood  Thu, Sep 21, 2006 8:05:59am

...“the US empire is on the way down, and it will soon be finished for the good of all mankind.”


Yeah...well YOU can stick Chimpsky up your fat commie arse you inbred illiterate.


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