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Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 8:36:18 am PDT

You have got to be kidding. The British police are going to seek the approval of Muslim groups before performing any anti-terrorism raids: Police to brief Muslims before terror raids. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

This is completely insane.

POLICE have agreed to consult a panel of Muslim leaders before mounting counter-terrorist raids or arrests. Members of the panel will offer their assessment of whether information police have on a suspect is too flimsy and will also consider the consequences on community relations of a raid.

Members will be security vetted and will have to promise not to reveal any intelligence they are shown. They will not have to sign the Official Secrets Act.

The first panel, expected to consist of four people, will be set up initially in London. Tomorrow representatives from police forces across England and Wales will decide whether to make the scheme national.

Muslim groups have welcomed the move, which is understood to be backed by Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner.

This week the Association of Chief Police Officers will discuss with MI5 and the Home Office whether to reveal to the panel intelligence information from the security service.

The idea came from the Metropolitan police and the Muslim Safety Forum (MSF), which works for better police-Muslim relations. It has been under discussion for two years and came to the top of the agenda after a police raid in Forest Gate, London, in June, in which a man was shot. Police were acting on a tip-off about a bomb. None was found.

Azad Ali, chairman of the MSF, said: “The major concern that came to us from Muslims was that the intelligence was flawed — the raid was on assumption and nothing else. This will allow independent scrutiny of intelligence.”

Here is the Muslim Safety Forum web site.

The Muslim Safety Forum (MSF) was formed by some leading concerned Muslim organisation following 9/11 and the subsequent unfair focus on the Muslim community when it came to policing activities and enforcement of anti-terror policing legislations. This decision was taken as the Muslim community will not suffer in silence and allow misconceptions, prejudice and ignorance to influence the policing activities in the UK. Consequently, the MSF came into existence in the year 2000 and had been scrutinizing police activities that have been particularly affecting the Muslim community.

In 2004 the MSF developed its own constitution, held election for chair and the executive committee. It now has a dedicated office with two employed staff, a voluntary executive body, and a membership of over 30 national and regional Muslim organisations.

The MSF is now the key advisory body for the Police Service and has signed a working protocol with the Metropolitan Police to build better police / community relations. It has been advising the police on matters of safety and security from the Muslim perspective.

It meets on a monthly basis with senior representatives of ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) and the MPS (Metropolitan Police Service), the MPA (Metropolitan Police Authority), Home Office and the IPCC (Independent Police Complaints Commission) amongst others.

The MSF has been sitting on the strategic Stop and Search group, as per the MPA scrutiny panel recommendation, and has raised issues concerning stop and search and in particular the use of S.44 powers under the 2005 Terrorism Act.

Furthermore, MSF have undertaken significant TV, Radio and Press interviews covering local, national and international media. The messages have been of unity, justice, safety, security and a ’zero tolerance’ response from the police against Islamophobic crimes.

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1 Stormy  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:37:45am

Charles, do you ever get a vacation? Thanks for your work every day!

2 religion of bacon  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:38:00am

More duct tape, please...

3 zombie  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:38:06am

"Dear Sir, may I arrest you?"

"No!"

"OK then, sorry to disturb you. Carry on."

4 BabbaZee  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:38:18am

Why dont they just bash their own skulls in with rocks instead, and be done with it quickly?

5 freya4freedom  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:38:22am

Insane indeed, though not news. Pathetic appeasers.

6 hepcat  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:38:24am

"Call me Stuipd"
~Britain

7 flipflop  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:38:34am

I...can't...stand it...any more.

*thud* *thud* *thud*

/sound of head banging against the wall

8 Radical Rafe  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:38:44am

Neville Chamberlain, Osama Bin Laden.

Osama Bin Laden, Neville Chamberlain.

9 BabbaZee  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:38:50am

From my cold, dead hands.

10 zombie  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:39:17am

"Dear Sir, may I arrest you?"

"No!"

"OK then, sorry to disturb you. Carry on."

11 mama winger  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:39:56am
Muslims . . . will have to promise not to reveal any intelligence they are shown.

Well, Ok then. Sounds like a plan.

12 BabbaZee  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:40:05am
13 freya4freedom  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:40:07am

The briefing thing I mean. This is the next step.

14 Jack Reacher  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:40:40am
...will have to promise not to reveal any intelligence they are shown. They will not have to sign the Official Secrets Act.

So, in other words, taqiyya as usual.

...the Muslim Safety Forum (MSF), which works for better police-Muslim relations.

Oh, I thought it was like a gun-safety forum, helping prevent injuries from firearms, you know?

15 jodiegirl73  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:40:53am

This defies belief...if it wasn't so serious, I'd be laffin.

I do hope though, that if ever the day arises that my home/myself is to be raided, that there's an atheist advisory panel for the police to consult with to determine if there is enough evidence.

/spit

16 funky chicken  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:41:40am

Who had the article about the man (recovering stroke patient) who was beaten by the mob of "youths" in Yorkshire?

The cops took 30 minutes to show up, then did nothing. And they haven't shown up for subsequent calls when the mob has come back to this poor family's home?

17 whiterasta  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:42:00am

After the UN, the British Police are the most useless entity on the face of the earth.

Robert Peel must be rolling in his grave.

Stinking socialism.

18 mama winger  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:42:05am

So how much time is this going to add to the arrest process? Say the police receive a tip that the subways are going to be bombed on Monday, but the next meet-up with the muslims is not till Thursday. Do they sit on it?


What to do, what to do. . .

19 Van Impe  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:42:10am

As for that cemetary where all the graves will face Mecca, the Telegraph has new details:

The Nottingham city council decision rubber-stamps a proposal by the local Cemeteries Consultative Committee (CCC), which claims it will give the new High Wood cemetery in Bulwell, "a tidy appearance". Local Muslims have welcomed the move as "a sign of tolerance and acceptance".

Musharraf Hussain, a local imam, said: "Negotiations with the council have been going on for years and it is great to see it has finally paid off. This is an important rule of Islam and it is very generous of the other faiths to recognise that."

However, Rachel Farmer, a spokesman for the Southwell and Nottingham diocese, said that clergy on the CCC have no recollection of being asked about the policy.

Telegraph

20 flyover_templar  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:43:52am

[vomit]

What's next, adding semtex to England's WIC program?

I'd laugh if I wasn't crying.

/FT

21 zombie  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:44:01am

Oops, sorry for the double post -- something's wrong with LGF.

Charles -- for me at least, LGF loads very very slow, and often the page never completely finishes loading at all. When this happens, sometimes the comment function code at the bottom of the page is the last thing to load and doesn't always work if I "cancel" the rest of the loading of the page.

Anybody else having this problem with LGF over the last few days? Something is hanging up the completion of the page being loaded.

23 mama winger  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:44:49am

Arm yourselves, Britons. The police will not help you.

What's that? They took your guns away? Oh.

24 flipflop  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:46:11am
25 mama winger  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:46:12am

Zombie - No problems on my end, but I did set up a new computer at my house this week.

26 Van Impe  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:46:43am

#21

Charles -- for me at least, LGF loads very very slow, and often the page never completely finishes loading at all.

I've had the same problem for past week or so too.

27 Gang of One  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:47:04am
#4 BabbaZee 9/24/2006 08:38AM PDT

Why dont they just bash their own skulls in with rocks instead, and be done with it quickly?

Getting-hit-on-the-head lessons?

/M. Python reference
//wish it really were only a joke

28 Benthoven  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:47:15am

This makes it into the asylum of absurdities. Have they finally lost their freakin minds over there?

29 funky chicken  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:47:25am

Well, couldn't find the article about the family and the gang of "youths."

I did come up with this though. Yorkshirse surely sounds like a lovely place. No ID on the man arrested.

Man arrested after woman found dying in car park
Robert Sutcliffe
A TWENTY-year-old man was arrested last night after an 18-year-old woman was found dying in a pub car park with her throat slashed.
Detectives say the woman, who has not been named, was the victim of an apparently random, but vicious, attack.
Det Supt Andy Brennan, who is leading the investigation for West Yorkshire Police, said she was found at The Swan, Liversedge, near Dewsbury, just before 8pm on Thursday when she staggered into the car park of the hotel crying for help.
A man got out of his car to help the woman, who was clutching her throat which had been slashed, and staff and customers put towels around it to stem the flow of blood.
Despite their efforts she died later at Dewsbury District Hospital.
Swan landlady Karen Osman said it had been a horrific sight. She added: "There was blood everywhere and the man who discovered her was in extreme shock. We are all very shocked and upset.''
Mr Brennan said the dead woman's family was "traumatised by what has taken place'' and he appealed for anyone who had any information to come forward immediately.
He said: "There is a very good chance the attacker would have had blood on them. It appears to be a random attack at this stage."

30 flipflop  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:47:26am

Hmmm...LGF's behaving just fine for me today.

31 jodiegirl73  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:48:00am

Zombie - I'm loading a little slower, but that's it.

32 BabbaZee  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:48:51am
33 Jamie  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:49:02am

At this point I'm wondering what it will take for people to place security above sensibilities. I'm not even talking about civil liberties, mere sensibilities. While I am Jewish, I could be mistaken for Arab and have a clearly non-Jewish name. When security at Ben Gurion wanted a few words with me, I was glad to see that they take nothing for granted rather than upset over being profiled.

What will it take for others to recognize the importance of preventing terror? Another 9/11? Another successful tube attack?

34 whiterasta  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:49:25am

#23, Mama Winger:


"..The police will not help you..."

Welcome to Socialist Paradise, where the criminal is the victim and the victim is the criminal.

35 funky chicken  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:49:30am

Zombie et al. I've had that problem on and off for several months. I just close my browser and try again. That often clears it up. Otherwise I just go do something else for a few hours, then it's fine.

I know nothing of technology, so couldn't guess why it's happened.

36 TimK  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:50:04am

Is this a situation where the elites are running the show in England and the common man is not asked? I can't believe that the average man or woman for that matter can be very happy with this type of police work.
Being or having some prejudices is normal for humans. Doesn't the British public have some sort discomfort with all the foreigners in their little island? I would seem reasonable that there would be real displeasure with the Muslim community making all sorts demands and at the same time making the average British citizen wrong if they don't appreciate Islam.

37 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:50:11am

#21 zombie

Over the past several weeks, I've noticed it off and on, but at different times than you. It's fine for me now. Traffic is rather low right now (~2500), and there shouldn't be any problems anywhere. What's puzzling is that it gives different people problems at different times. There are only two explainations for that: 1. there's something funky in some of the blogads that gives different computers different problems at different times, or 2. there's some sort of distributed attack being made against routers, rather than the LGF server, that creates geography-specific problems.

I don't know how you determine that.

38 Timbre  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:50:39am

I wonder what is like to be a Briton, born in 1920 or so; whose parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents were British, to remember 1940 as if it were yesterday, to remember Hinkels and V-1s and V-2s? Do they cry when they see their whole country slipping away from them, because immigrants insist that Britain doesn't belong to old generations, but that the whole world belongs to Islam?

39 frankp_63  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:53:02am

Promise? How many times have muslims stated they are sanctioned by their religion to lie and deceive non-muslims at any cost to further their aims?

There's no excuse for pretending this isn't the case. Question for Scotland Yard: Are all British citizens therefore entitled to designate their own panel of lifelines to be notified in the event of pending police action? Answer: No, of course not. Because no one else has the protection of a "community" willing to initmidate to the point of violence if they don't get their way.

If the Prime Minister of Britain and his party do not have the political strength or worse, the foresight, to prevent this sort of thing, they ought to be removed from power, like yesterday.

You people give parliamentary democracy a bad name.

40 flipflop  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:53:08am

#37 E2M

Geography-specific router problems aren't necessarily related to attacks or hacks. It can just be localized congestion.

41 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:53:23am

Zombie, I had similar trouble about a week ago. Might have been something with my pop-up blocker, but due to the ad at the right, wouldn't load fully. Every fix I tried didn't work. I closed out my browser and fired it up again - no problem.

42 whiterasta  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:53:36am

[Link: keithdevens.com...]


The Brits have gone nuts. Living proof that socialism turns your brains into manure.

43 BenZacharia  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:53:43am

E2M

I sense a disturbance in the force.

/obi-wan

44 niallster  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:55:09am

Got up this morning. Went out got the Sunday papers. Brewed up some coffee, ate a croissant and was idly thumbing through the Sunday Times when I came upon this. I emailed it over to Charles as it appears did others.

I still can't believe the sheer total fucking (sorry for that) stupidity and timidity and inactivity of the clowns in blue we call police.

There uniform should be changed to include big floppy shoes and red noses so its visible exactly what they are.

Absolutely fucking insane!

Stick a fork in us we're done.

45 6patrick6  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:55:19am

The Brits have effectively given the Muslims their own semi-autonomous enclaves within their cities! With no authority to do anything, the government has simply said:

"OK, if you guys promise not to do anything, we'll leave you alone. And if you do something, you can hide back in your little enclaves and we'll ask your imams for permission to come and get you, how's that sound?"

How far is the British government going to go to kiss the gnat-sized Muslim community's ass (only 4.1% or so of the total population, right?)

Grow some balls, Britain! Your government's actions shame your ancestors who fought valiantly for the Crown and country. Your government is all-too-eager to capitulate because their "might be" violence sometime in the future! Screw that!

46 pegcity  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:55:39am

Dee Dee Dee as Carlos Mencia would say

47 Sharon  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:56:19am

In other news, farmers have announced that in the interests of inter-species cooperation they will now be allowing wolves to herd their sheep.

48 brenda  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:57:23am

Why are there no British Minutemen?

49 Gang of One  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:57:45am

#32 BZ,

Parody or prescience?

50 EC Marm  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:57:50am
The messages have been of unity, justice, safety, security and a ’zero tolerance’ response from the police against Islamophobic crimes.

Parsing the sentence - Zero tolerance against Islamophobic crimes? Phobia is now a crime in Britain?
Guess it explains this incident across the pond:
A DRIVER spent two nights in jail after being accused of "revving his car in a racist manner"...

But off-duty Chief Inspector Eoin Jenkins thought he was targeting Muslim Isam Maigel and his wife Hana Saad...


[Link: www.sundaymail.co.uk...]

51 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:58:39am

#21 zombie

Addendum:

To really get to the bottom of this, Charles (or someone with a central location to post comments) would have to select a couple dozen volunteer monitors, distributed in various places around the country and the world, using a mix of systems (Mac, Windows, Unix) and browsers, To report when they're having problems. You would eventurally build a database, and see if the problems correlate with system, browser, geography, or none of the above.

Not a trivial task.

52 jodiegirl73  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:59:03am

#44 niallster

I feel for you mate...come on over to Aussie land, we'll look after you! Our PM seems to have his head screwed on okay.

53 Stringart  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:59:36am

This isn't new.

A town in England drew up guidelines for when and how to raid Muslim homes, an Australian state gave guidelines on how to arrest men for domestic violence and the RCMP had koran handling lessons before arresting the "broad strata" suspects.

You got bad guys? Go arrest them. Make sure you, the police, are safe as well as the general public. No one cares about the sensitivities of the bad guys.

54 Windhorse  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:59:43am

Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves,
Britons never never never shall be slaves...

except...

55 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 6:59:50am

#40 flipflop

True, but this seems to be specific to LGF. Local traffic problems wouldn't cause that.

56 Windhorse  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:01:58am

LGF seems to be working fine for me... now my brain on the other hand...

57 THX-42  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:02:56am

Interesting. The Muslims in Britain seem to have achieved critical mass, sufficient to operate as a quasi-autonomous government. The laws that apply to everyone else apparently do not apply to them. Police protocol does not apply to them. And what's more, the government ostensibly in charge must request the permission of the quasi-government before it can act.

Londonistan is a reality.

58 flipflop  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:05:29am

#55 E2M

Good point. Someone earlier mentioned the blog ads. I wonder if some readers' browsers just aren't handling the scripts well?

It'd also be interesting to know who's using Firefox v. IE to see if there's a common thread there.

59 Timbre  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:05:30am

#39 frankp_63:

Great observation! And my guess for the reason entitlement to being above the law even exists is because "Western" people were industrially dominant when other cultures lagged behind. There is not a single culture in the world -- as far as I know -- that has not denied other people human rights, engaged in slavery, or exploited the land and water. But we "Westerners" get all the blame because our progress outpaced others.

60 Windhorse  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:05:52am

James Thomson, 1740 (1700-1748)
When Britain first— at Heaven's command
Arose— from out the azure main
Arose, arose, arose from out the azure main
This was the charter,
The charter of the land,
And guardian angels sung this strain:
Refrain:
Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves,
Britons never never never shall be slaves.

The nations, not— so blest as thee,
Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall:
Must in, must in, must in their turns to tyrants fall.
While thou shalt flourish,
Shalt flourish great and free,
The dread and envy of them all.
Refrain:

Still more majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful, from each foreign stroke:
More dreadful, dreadful, dreadful from each foreign stroke.
As the loud blast,
The blast that tears the skies,
Serves but to root thy native oak.
Refrain:

Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame:
All their attempts to bend thee down,
All their, all their, all their attempts to bend thee down
Will but arouse thy,
Arouse thy generous flame;
But work their woe, and thy renown.
Refrain:

To thee belongs the rural reign;
Thy cities— shall with commerce shine:
Thy cities, cities, cities shall with commerce shine
All thine shall be the,
Shall be the subject main,
And every shore it circles thine.
Refrain:

The Muses, still with freedom found,
Shall to— thy happy coast repair:
Shall to, shall to, shall to thy happy coast repair
Blest isle! with matchless,
With matchless beauty crown'd,
And manly hearts to guard the fair.
Refrain:

Britain - please read these words... repeat until clarity arrives... then do something about your situation - and make it fast!

61 Yank in the EU  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:05:55am

1) British police and anti-terror forces need the approval of Muslim councils to arrest suspected terrorists and to stop terrorist operations.

2) At least one in ten Muslims has no problem with mass murder of kuffar British folks.

Well, short of a declaration of war by the ummah in Britain and a capitulation by the government to an Islamist regime, one could not think of a more foreboding position for her to be in.

Look down the road, Great Britain: the Islamic jihad in your home cities is bad now and it will, with %100 certainty, get worse.

Man, and a major Islamic leader of Britain just made a threat about a million terrorists if Britain did not change its policies. Today's events are bad enough, but after that threat... oh geeze.

62 angrygentile  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:05:58am

TimK - number 36

You are right, the average man and woman in the street is sickened by this - but nobody is listening! I think the next General Election will show a rise in votes for the far-right British National Party. They seem to be the only ones addressing these issues (terrorism, immigration etc).

Although they have some dodgy policies to say the least, a lot of people are leaning towards them just because they are tired of being marginalized and ignored in their own country.

The party that deals with these issues will be the next government.

63 mich-again  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:07:36am

The whole idea of vetting terror raids through avowed terrorist sympathizers is completely insane. Has Abu Hamza been named to the panel yet?

But I wonder if they will at least have enough sense to test the confidentiality of the group by presenting plans for a "faux" raid to see if any warning calls are made. And will there be criminal charges for any leaks.

64 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:09:18am

Charles -

Rather than take this thread and others off topic, it might be a good idea to have a dedicated thread that can somehow be accessed over the course of several weeks, to discuss this slow loading problem. With enough observations and enough brainstorming, we may be able to finger the problem, which is very annoying, if you're one of the ones experiencing it.

65 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:10:03am

Anyone in the UK know the position of the BNP on
this one? Understand Dick Morris may have done work for them so assume they can't be total right wing "nutters."

-S-

66 QueeQueeg  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:11:25am

Violence and intimidation get you what you want from the british goverment. The mother of the free now kowtows to medieval savagery and moral intimidation.

Another sad day for my once proud nation.

67 Geepers  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:12:48am

THX-42 (#57),

The "critical mass" as it were is much lower in "civilized"* countries like Britain, who still apparently haven't figured out that their are people who live in England who aren't the least bit interested in the the greater glory of the empire.

*A country all a twitter of rumors of who will succeed the the Queen.

68 THX-42  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:15:02am

This reminds me of a book that was quite popular many years ago called Winning Through Intimidation. Everyone should re-read it. The Muslims are the master practitioners of the proposed strategy. And it is certainly working in their favor...so far.

The fact is that it works best against those who have no core principles on which to stand their ground. Ummm, that would be politicians in general, government bureaucrats, news media and entertainment celebrities, academicians, and basically all liberals. Moral relativists all.

To them, why say "NO" when doing so may get you beheaded, your house/car blown up, or just have that messiness of having to confront some violent lunatic with...sigh...physical force when all else fails. You know...like those primitive red-state Americans.

69 monkeytango  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:18:08am

Ahem (clears throat), Monkeytango here. 'Tis my first time (slipped through a hole in the fence last night) so be gentle with me (gulp)... As for what's going on in the Disunited Kingdom, 'fraid us Brits rolled over and opened wide years ago and now have shrapnel and body parts where some London buses used to be. Unfortunately, this sort of multi-culti c*ck-sucking goes on all the time in the police 'farce'. We should have realised that the plods had been infiltrated at the highest level when the second-in-command opened his cakehole thus:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Thanks, Officer Taqiyya! And there I was, thinking we paid enormous taxes for you to PROTECT us from terrorism...

70 Windhorse  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:23:40am

Welcome Monkeytango... your referenced article defines the problem perfectly. Grab that idiot by the scruff of his neck and walk him to the door.

71 flipflop  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:26:04am

#69 monkeytango

Welcome to the jungle, monkey! :-)

72 Geepers  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:26:40am

THX-42 (#68),

Winning Through Intimidation.

"That's where we kind of agree with some of the people who've criticized our show," Stone says. "Because it really is open season on Jesus. We can do whatever we want to Jesus, and we have. We've had him say bad words. We've had him shoot a gun. We've had him kill people. We can do whatever we want. But Mohammed, we couldn't just show a simple image."

During the part of the show where Mohammed was to be depicted — benignly, Stone and Parker say — the show ran a black screen that read: "Comedy Central has refused to broadcast an image of Mohammed on their network."

Other networks took a similar course, refusing to air images of Mohammed — even when reporting on the Denmark cartoon riots — claiming they were refraining because they're religiously tolerant, the South Park creators say.

"No you're not," Stone retorts. "You're afraid of getting blown up. That's what you're afraid of. Comedy Central copped to that, you know: 'We're afraid of getting blown up.'"

Ha Ha Ha.

Stone, who was raised Jewish, says he's not religious. Parker says he considers himself religious, but it would take him a long time to explain it. Both say they believe in God.

And both agree, we ain't gonna insult, poke fun mention or depict anything that might get us blow up cost us our jobs.

73 Cartman  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:27:51am

To me, this is the most alarming indication I've seen yet that the Brits are very swiftly caving in, and willing and/or ready to accept dhimmi status.

74 EC Marm  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:30:10am

#69 monkeytango
Welcome aboard. Nice first post. Interesting link. This one made me laugh:

More than 4,000 inmates have absconded from open prisons in England and Wales since 2001, it has emerged.

Errata:
I use FireFox. Only issue I ever had was when LGF bogged down to a crawl with heavy Fautography traffic. It doesn't handle errors that well and I double posted a couple times (even though comment box was empty). I find it's best to keep no more than 10 tabs open at one time. If it slows down too much I close the whole thing and start it up again.

75 Geepers  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:31:54am

Earth2moonbat (#64),

If you get bored waiting around, scoot over to DailyKos, they load 600,000 lbs. of shit a day, lickity split. I've never once had a problem with load times over there.

76 JohnConnor  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:33:09am

Right now I'm listening to a BBC Radio 4 special called 'muslims and the Met' (i.e. the Metropolitan Police.)

The speaker for the Muslim Safety Forum just said that muslims are specifically prohibited from spying (on behalf of the police/security forces) on other muslims by koranic verses (it would be like "eating your dead brother's meat.") He also said that "radicalisation is a good thing."

This cooperation between the police and the MSF sounds - predicatably - like a very narrow one-way street!

One muslim speaker claimed that one in nine London residents is now a RoPer. I really hope this is an exagerration.

77 Fellay Timi  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:33:37am

#65 DrShalit

From what I understand about them, they are left wing nutters

78 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:39:37am

#76 JohnConnor

That comment would be even more appropriate on the next thread up.

79 THX-42  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:44:20am

Monkeytango, welcome. Here's the good news. So far, 9 out of 10 of you are NOT Muslims.

So listen to me now and hear me later...I'm going to pump you up...so you don't become a silly girly-man like your police and your government...(sorry for channeling Hans and Franz from SNL).

Seriously, get out there and DO something. Get others to join you. Shut down the Beeb! It's a monstrous, lying, propaganda network poisoning your country. Dump your liberal government. Deport the violent imams. Shut down the violent mosques.

Be on the delivering end of the revolution, not the receiving end. Do it.

80 JohnConnor  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:46:10am

#78 earth2moonbat

That comment would be even more appropriate on the next thread up.

Good idea.

BTW they just had convert idiot Yvonne Ridley complaining that the police aren't giving UK muslims enuf advance info on their plans. What an obnoxious tool!

81 ferris  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:46:24am

When the Brits were batling the IRA did they run their plans past any Catholic organizations?

82 budfox  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:46:44am

The Muslim Safety Forum (MSF) was formed by some leading concerned Muslim organisation following 9/11


Consequently, the MSF came into existence in the year 2000 and had been scrutinizing police activities that have been particularly affecting the Muslim community.

Okay, last time I checked, we were attacked 9/11/01. Has this officially been revised too?

/These days, it wouldn't amaze if it was.

83 Geepers  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:50:05am

ferris (#81),

When the Brits were batling the IRA did they run their plans past any Catholic organizations?

Now that's funny.

84 thinkingmom  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 7:58:29am

#69 monkeytango, welcome! From your link:

Tarique Ghaffur, Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, will call for an independent judicial review into why some Muslims turn to extremism, when he addresses a National Black Police Association conference in Manchester. Mr Ghaffur will say: “There is a very real danger that the counter-terrorism label is also being used by other law-enforcement agencies to the effect that there is a real risk of criminalising ethnic communities.”

Commisar Taqiyya, indeed.

Why are the Brits taking these outrages so passively? Has the Abolition of Britain been completed?

85 realwest  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 8:02:39am

#69 monkeytango - Welcome aboard LGF!

Uh, according to your link, "Tarique Ghaffur, Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, will call for an independent judicial review into why some Muslims turn to extremism, when he addresses a National Black Police Association conference in Manchester. Mr Ghaffur will say: “There is a very real danger that the counter-terrorism label is also being used by other law-enforcement agencies to the effect that there is a real risk of criminalising ethnic communities.” [emphasis added, realwest]
While I agree with your point, my question is how did Tarique Ghaffur become the Assistant Commissioner of the Metropoplitan Police and why is he giving a speech concerning the "criminalizing ethnic communities to the National Black Police Association? If he were correct, one would think he or someone higher placed, would make this address to the House of Commons, no?

86 Spiny Norman  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 8:03:09am

#60 Windhorse

Britain - please read these words... repeat until clarity arrives... then do something about your situation - and make it fast!

Better make it fast, as Rule Britannia will probably soon be banned, as it is likely to cause offense to a ::ahem:: certain segment of the population.

87 Wm T Sherman  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 8:08:34am

If the information is credible before the consultation, it will rapidly be rendered non-credible after the consultation.

The same British government has instructed the police not to arrest individuals for burglary, vandalism, arson, statutory rape...

88 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 8:09:42am

[Les rolls his body out of bed to read this...]

***RING***

"Good Morning Mister Hitler. May we bomb Berlin today?"

"NEIN!"

89 6patrick6  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 8:11:32am

monkeytango - welcome aboard!

90 monkeytango  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 8:21:27am

(damn, no hash) 70 Windhorse, 71 flipflop, 74 EC Marm - cheers darlin's!

However, the feebleness of our plods in the face of Muslim intimidation goes even further. Churn through the following stinky pile of gob offal (courtesy of the Beeb - who else?) and get yourself a sick bag. Oh yeah, Ali Dizaei is an 'effnic minority' police officer who was hauled up in front of the beak for corruption (and then cleared - at our expense). Obviously, he was completely innocent (sarc) - especially those frequent visits to the Iranian embassy in working hours.

It's cost the taxpayer between £3 and £7 million pounds, and thousands of hours of police officers' time - for what?
Superintendent Ali Dizaei one of Britain's most senior ethnic minority police officers was cleared of all criminal charges after a case he described as a "witch-hunt" by his employers, the Met.

The last of thirty allegations, centering on vandalism against his car and an expenses claim, were thrown out after an investigation his lawyers called "disproportionate."

BARNEY CHOUDHURY:
Iranian born Ali Dizaei was a rising star, tipped to be Britain's first ethnic minority Chief Constable. But he was a flamboyant character who admitted to the court that he had a open marriage and a string of girlfriends. He had a law degree and a PHD in race relations. As a prominent member of the National Black Police Association he was an outspoken critic of racism within the force. But on 18th January 2001, Dr Dizaei's world fell apart when he was suspended.

BARNEY CHOUDHURY:
The newspaper headlines the next day screamed allegations of corruption, that he took drugs, visited prostitutes and fraudulently helped people stay in Britain. Nobody disputes these were allegations that the police had to take seriously. But it's the manner in which he was investigated that is now being questioned.

One of the most serious allegations was that Superintendent Ali Dizaei was a threat to national security. The Met said he made unauthorised visits to the Iranian embassy. But did this bear close scrutiny.

SUPERINTENDENT ALI DIZAEI:
I don't see how it can be covert if I am going in full uniform with my hat on and being driven by a police car to the door of the embassy.

Now let's see what Dizaei's enlightened views are about passenger profiling:


'What you are suggesting,' said Chief Superintendent Ali Dizaei on BBC2' s Newsnight, 'is that we should have a new offence in this country called "travelling whilst Asian".'

A catchy soundbite, perhaps. But dangerous drivel all the same.

Mr Dizaei was answering an advocate of 'suspect profiling', the system under which airport security staff concentrate their most rigorous checks on passengers whose appearance or behaviour patterns may give grounds for suspicion.

Of course, the Mail has qualms about the system, since it inevitably means innocent young male Asians having to suffer the greatest inconvenience.

But Mr Dizaei is utterly disingenuous when he says: 'Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma bomber, would have certainly gone through the security system because he was a white male.'

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Rev your engine near some Muslims though, and you get to spend two days in jail...

91 GreenSoccer  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 8:27:44am

When the US let Pakistan know about an upcoming attack on Bin Laden in order to not set off a war between Pakistan and India, Bin Laden disappeared.

In the US why don't we ask the FBI and CIA to let Jewish leaders know before there is a sting for spying and for lobbying? We can tell them if we think their case is serious or not, and the answer is not.

92 monkeytango  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 8:33:23am

Realwest, you're right - many of us are scratching our heads and wondering how Ghaffur ever slid up the greasy pole to such a high position. Guess he bent over the right desk and started prattling some pc guff about minorities. However, in Pudding Island the police exist not to catch criminals (heavens no, it might infringe their human rights) but to promote 'diversity'. Even if members of a certain 'diverse' minority are hell-bent on squishing us to Kingdom Come...

93 monkeytango  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 8:41:41am

#76 JohnConnor

Right now I'm listening to a BBC Radio 4 special called 'muslims and the Met' (i.e. the Metropolitan Police.)

The speaker for the Muslim Safety Forum just said that muslims are specifically prohibited from spying (on behalf of the police/security forces) on other muslims by koranic verses (it would be like "eating your dead brother's meat.") He also said that "radicalisation is a good thing."

This cooperation between the police and the MSF sounds - predicatably - like a very narrow one-way street!

One muslim speaker claimed that one in nine London residents is now a RoPer.

And the other eight will be converted at knifepoint...!

94 AliAbDab  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 9:17:21am

Sir Ian Blair is a cretin. Didnt I mention that in a recent comment post. Hes the Metropolitan police chief who advised Londoners that its now safe to go out and leave your house unlocked.

Hes the man who made up totally untrue stories about the Brazilian shot dead on the London underground, which were bound to blow back to the detriment of the police when inevitably exposed as lies.

Hes the idiot who sanctions the promotion of the aptly named Cressida DICK, who gave the order to shoot the unarmed, lightly dressed, unladen Brazilian,thereby reinforcing every anarchist and Islamophilliacs version of Police behaviour.

How the hell a cretin like that bag of shit gets to the top of such an organisation, AND gets a knighthood is baffling. Just whose truncheon did he suck?

95 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 9:30:06am

Charles wrote:

This is completely insane.

Actually it is eminently sane if you have decided that your moribund culture based on booze-addled atheists is not worth saving, and it is better to simply allow the successor culture to take its place in the most orderly, painless way possible.

Simply tuning over control of the nation to the Islamists will allow the British to enjoy the quiet calm of the prisoner in their twilight decades. Life will change dramatically, but they'll be "safe" as long as they keep their heads down, pay the Jizyah.

I suspect that many who turned out for the anti-war marches would not protest too much as their gay neighbors were imprisoned, their women forced out of the workplace and indoors, and their dance halls shuttered for good.

The post-WWII West has produced several generations who yearn for the security that slavery brings. They're about to get it.

Not so insane after all.

96 humanity  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 9:30:13am

this only proves...

"To hell with Peace and Peaceful religions, if you want your things to be heard... then start attacking mosques"

97 JohnConnor  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 9:33:41am

#93 monkeytango

And the other eight will be converted at knifepoint...!

I sometimes think that London and other major UK cities might be overwhelmed by a surprise uprising - in the same way that Christian majority cities like Smyrna fell to the throat-cutters in 1922. But if that happened I'm sure there would be a very strong and determined resistance from Brits in the countryside.

I suspect that the huge influx of Poles and other Eastern European Christians in the last year (600,000 according to official figures!) might be a deliberate way of balancing out the immigrant population.

98 6patrick6  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 9:35:15am

Of course, CAIR and its head bigot Doogie want this very scenario in this country, as well. Muslims, in CAIR's eyes, will be untouchable, unassailable, and unacountable for their actions, because all of their actions are driven by the Koran. The Koran IS the law, in their eyes, and therefore its adherants can not be held to the law of the nation/state/locality.

Oh, Doogie, you and your buddies can go FOAD. Hopefully you'll eat or drink something during the day.

99 Geepers  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 9:41:14am

Britain: marching proudly, willingly toward their muslim future:

In New British Cemetery Even Christians Will Face Mecca

Headstones in the new £2.5million High Wood Cemetery in Nottingham will face north-east - as Muslims believe the dead look over their shoulder towards Mecca. This is the way in which all followers of Islam in the UK are buried...

Brian Grocock, a councillor who took part in the consultation process, said: "I don't know how this has become such a big issue.

Could Brian possibly be that stupid?

100 caliredst8r  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 9:51:30am

"We have not succeeded in solving all your problems. The solutions we have found only serve to raise a whole new set of problems. We are as confused as ever, but we believe that we are confused on a higher level and about more important things"

/Goodbye Britain, it was great while it lasted

101 myrddinwen  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 9:51:52am

As authorities increasingly exchange muslim appeasement for limits on freedoms so infidel resentment builds. People unable to speak their grievances internalise them leading to an inevitable catharsis.

The current assault on Europe by islamic invaders will be won on the streets and the authorites, and military, will have no option but to assist their own people defeat this evil.

Operation 'American Hiroshima' seems likely to executed very soon. Let that atrocity be the signal for all freedom loving people to take back their lives, their countries and their destiny.

102 monkeytango  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 9:53:02am

#99 Geepers

Could Britain possibly be that stupid?

Yes.

103 J.D.  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 9:53:26am

#99 Geepers
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

104 Geepers  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 10:05:50am

J.D. (#103),

Damn time machine.

105 greatinfidel  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 10:23:22am

Aren't the Brits just following Bill Clinton's strategy on terror?

106 monkeytango  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 10:35:51am

#99 Geepers 9/24/2006 11:41AM PDT

Britain: marching proudly, willingly toward their muslim future:

In New British Cemetery Even Christians Will Face Mecca

Headstones in the new £2.5million High Wood Cemetery in Nottingham will face north-east - as Muslims believe the dead look over their shoulder towards Mecca. This is the way in which all followers of Islam in the UK are buried...

Brian Grocock, a councillor who took part in the consultation process, said: "I don't know how this has become such a big issue.

Duhhh...sorry Geepers, my mistake, I'm still trying to get the hang of this readin'n'writing thing. Of course it should read 'Could Brian be that stupid?' (though I think my comment is still relevant). If this Brian idiot lived up to his name, perhaps he wouldn't let the Muslims walk all over him...RPIMF

(slinks off into undergrowth to scratch fleas and eat bananas)
107 Geepers  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 10:47:44am

monkeytango (#106),

At first that's what I thought you might have done. Then I thought you were making a play Brian expanded to Britain.

In fact I should be the embarrassed one as this was mentioned on the front page yesterday. Glad I brought it to your attention anyway.

108 DP111  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 11:00:12am

zombie

There maybe a malware in yopur machine. Try installing Adaware and running it.

109 the_flying_pig  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 11:11:06am

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the proof enough that the British have become the most boneheaded, passively weak, politically corrective-obsessed people on the planet.

110 monkeytango  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 11:21:18am

#109 the_flying_pig

Yes, we've been taking lessons from the Germans (no disrespect to any here)

111 monkeytango  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 11:31:39am

...mind you, they did come up with that Ratzinger bloke and he's certainly got hairy ones

(dodging accusations and rotting vegetables)
112 Confuzed  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 11:34:23am

The Mos will likewise be forced to notify the police as they go in mobs looking for infidels for any perceived "crime/insult" to their "religion."

Unfortunately, the right to self defense is not a recognized right in UK or in UN.

New slant to article from BBC about Brits maybe needing more guns, although it's probably too late.

113 blackpajamas  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 12:04:00pm

"This humble throne of caliphs, head severed isle,
This earth of majlis, this seat of Mullahs,
This hallal Eden, dhimmi-paradise,
This foment frothed by Nature for itself
Against Jew infection and the hand of kaffir,
This obedient breed of men, this little world,
This precious kabbah set in the silver sea,
Which sumbits it in the office of a wall
Or as a goat defensive to a harem,
Against the envy of less happier slave,--
This blessed hijacker's plot, this earth, this realm, this England.
"

114 EE  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 12:06:10pm

So are the British police going to first seek permission from the jihadi advocates and show them their intelligence information, before they raid jihadis? There are two risks that I see that will hamper the war against jihadi terrorism.
First of all, the jihadi advocates are not going to give their permission for any raid. They will say that the intelligence information is inadequate to support any raid.
Secondly, the jihadi advocates are going to notify the intended targets of the raid, so that if the police decide to go ahead with the raid, despite the objections of the jihadi advocates, they will not find anything of value. Everything of value for prosecuting the jihadi terrorists will have disappeared from their lair, including all of the computers.

115 SevoGuy  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 12:14:13pm

Does the average non-muslim British citizen think that this is insane? I would launch an investigation on whomever has issued such a ruling and if it is found that this person or these persons are in the pocket of the muslim clerics, I would F**king kill them.

England, if you stand for your government doing this, then you will be sujugated by the muslims. You will we their slaves. Fight back before it is too late. Arm yourselves and start taking matters into your own hands. Those politians that are issuing these types of laws or rulings must be killed.

SAVE YOUR COUNTRY.

116 uptight  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 12:18:26pm

Now come on, LGFers, they have a point.

I mean why should the police focus their anti-terrorism efforts against the Muslim community, when we know that nearly every major terrorist attack on the West is perpetrated by Eskimos?

117 dhaundhoee  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 12:57:16pm

Total and utter madness. In fact the cops no longer take sniffer dogs with them on such raids because it upsets the "community's" finely tuned sensibilities. Apparently "the community" doesn't like dogs. Another good reason not to like them should you need it. Such is the state of the police farce in the UK that it worries more about multi-culti outreach to disadvantaged "communities" than catching mass murderers. And they wonder why Joe Public has no respect for the uniform. Derr. Personally, I''d take a dozer on every raid for use Israeli style. And I wouldn't tip the "community" elders off.

118 6patrick6  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 1:19:27pm

Several things we may see in the near future if people don't get their heads out of their politically-correct asses:

1) The United Emirates of Britain

2) Al-Andalus (Spain, again)

3) Islamic Republics of Scandinavia

4) Eurabia (I think that one is a done deal, personally)

5) A combined North American regime collectively known as the Islamics States of America.

I, for one, will die fighting before I ever allow number five to happen. It may well be the last days for the current state of the first four, but I'll be damned if it'll happen here!

119 monkeytango  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 1:20:51pm

'All our jihadi chickens are coming home to roost roast'

120 de La Valette  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 1:31:19pm

I propose that we allow the British secret service and SAS handle our "sensitive" internal security problems, the CIA and JSOC can cover them.

Cut out layers of lawyers and politicians.

A modern version of a hopalite shield wall, protect your mates. I trust their hardmen more then I trust our cops/legal system. Just make the problems disappear.

Same deal for the Aussies.

121 mattm  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 2:26:38pm
The Muslim Safety Forum (MSF) was formed by some leading concerned Muslim organisation following 9/11 and the subsequent unfair focus on the Muslim community when it came to policing activities and enforcement of anti-terror policing legislations.

What the. Muslims hijacked civilian Airliners and used tham as missled to destroy two sky-scrapers, the Pentagon, and atempted to hit either the Capital or the White House, blew up the USS Cole, London Subway ans Bus, Madrid trains and YOU Muslims are concerned aboyt YOUR safety. I watchedn on live TV a 747 crash into the side of the world rade center, saw peole jump from the top floors of the building because they didn't want to be burend alive. And YOU Muslims want to tell me that I should be conccered about your safety.

I keep hoping that the west will wake up to the Muslum threat. Radical Islam MUST END NOW, BY THE QUICKEST MEANS NECESSARY!

122 dairenn  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 2:50:54pm

At this point, I wish we could grant amnesty to the British that want to move here because, among other things, we have the right to own guns in our homes. At this point, you can't even claim that having police makes gun ownership arcane because the cops are telling the criminals when they're coming after them!

I know I would sponsor such a move. This is absurdity to the highest degree.

123 Gadfly  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 3:06:09pm

If this is like an American poll it is biased towards the MSM believing, DNC lever pulling, welfare ticks and those too stupid to look at their caller ID before answering the phone. In England we can expect it is further skewed by a fair number of bone idle sons of working Muslim immigrants home on the parental dole. Still it is disturbing. I fear the British may be done for in 20 years time. This from the country that for a time stared down Hitler on its own. Disgraceful.

124 vrwc007  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 4:27:56pm

England is gone. First no piggy banks, then no Union Jack, now no police searchs of Muslims. Terrorists can now plan in comfort, assured that there plots will not be discovered until after plenty of people are dead.

I can't help but wonder if the average Englishperson has any idea how much trouble they are in.

125 big L  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 4:33:34pm

too bad the Brits can't pass Carry laws for Hand guns. A lot of this might well resolve itself.

Islams and crackpots love to manuever where there is gun control. The populace can't defend its self. I wonder if gun control is supported so much by the bureaucrats because they don't want the guns used against themselves. It is in their head, a figment that they would be used againt the govt. But still...

126 AliAbDab  Sun, Sep 24, 2006 5:31:43pm

Myrdinwen say you:
"The current assault on Europe by islamic invaders will be won on the streets and the authorites, and military, will have no option but to assist their own people defeat this evil."

As I live in UK I can tell you that when the Muslims finally declare the West Midlands to be a de-facto Islamic sub-state, the army, police and "security services" of the UK will concentrate upon PROTECTING the Muslims from their neighbouring communities.

This is the tenor of authority in the UK now, that Muslims are treated as the weak little bro' in a big heterodox family who is pampered and protected and given all the preferential treatment over the rest of the kids. Anything the little Muslim brother does, like trash the house when noone is looking, he is excused for on account of his having supposedly been bullied by his siblings.

When parts of Britain DO eventually become de-facto Islamic sub-states, the first reaction will be from the local Afro-Carribean community in those areas. THOSE brothers DO have guns...in spite of the illegality of firearms in this country, drive-by shootings are now commonplace...and they are already sick of the racism of their Muslim neighbours, who own all the businesses in their 'hoods and refuse to give a black man a job.

The reaction of the authorities, turning a blind eye to Muslim attacks and heavy-handedly putting down non-Muslim reaction will foment greater resentment among non-Muslims who sill gradually come to reject the British state authorities. Meanwhile, the usual left Islamophile asshole "elite" ( the media in particular ) will try to characterise all inter-community disturbances in terms of racist attacks on Muslims. The country will slowly dissolve into distinct but overlapping social and geographical groups, numerous of which will take up arms against each other. Including non-Muslims who turn on other non-Muslims who they see as insufficiently hard-line.

The result will be exactly like the Balkan wars. The EU will send over a "peacekeeping" force that will in practice serve to protect the Islamists. Most of that European force will actually be British army, used finally to provide a safety umbrella from under which Islamic groups can carry out attacks on the rest of us with relative impunity.

The only way preference for Muslims by the British establishment will disappear is over time, as the children of that establishment ( as yet unborn ) learn to reject the ways of their parents. Maybe that coming generation will regard Islam as establishmentarian and therefore rebel against it.

It will be a bloody long time coming. I hope I live long enough to see it.

127 Call me Infidel  Mon, Sep 25, 2006 12:57:54am

Charles is right this is madness. Sadly though it is all too predictable given the government we have. When the Prime Minister's wife empathises with terrorists what else do you expect? I see no improvement in the opposition. The leader of the tories is a twat. He wants to appeal to the touchy feely, glow ball warming lunatics. As for the BNP which has been mentioned by a couple of commenters here. They are a deeply unpleasnt bunch of people. They have a veneer of civility but underneath their supporters include racists, homophobes and anti semites. Not the kind of people you want running a country. I am gloomy about the future of Britain which is why I am in the process of emigrating. I don't see it getting any better either. The only positive (if it can be called such) is Europe descending into anarchy and a war against these fascists but it will be a bloody affair and won't end quickly.

128 Sabraguy  Mon, Sep 25, 2006 1:22:03am
#124 I can't help but wonder if the average Englishperson has any idea how much trouble they are in.

Sadly, I think you are right. I cannot see any hope for Britain until we get off our multi-cultural knees. Oh spirit of Winston, we have need of you in this hour.

129 hiker  Mon, Sep 25, 2006 3:17:39am

I just read Bruce Bauwer's book. Western Europe is in major trouble. From everything I've seen and read, and heard from friends and relatives in Europe, the point of no return is now; in some countries, such as Belgium and Switzerland and Norway, it's already too late. The only country on the continent I see even remotely taking a stand is England, but it will be very bloody. Gemany might even fight, but it is completely hamstrung by its militaristic and fascist past (it is full of PC and multiculturalism, but we are starting to see some signs of an "enough is enough" mindset). Sacndinavia is probably beyond any hope of being saved. The next twenty years will either be the most cataclysmic in human history, or will show the complete and quick and sickening surrender of the West to islamic tyranny and oppression. This is about to get VERY interesting.

130 hiker  Mon, Sep 25, 2006 3:20:24am

#129 continued

When I say Britain may fight, I am not talking about the British goverment. I'm talking about the average Brit in the streets. The British government will cave in a short order. Britain will have a civil war.

131 hiker  Mon, Sep 25, 2006 3:27:29am

#36 TimK

"Is this a situation where the elites are running the show in England and the common man is not asked?"

Very much so.

132 hiker  Mon, Sep 25, 2006 3:33:22am

#38 Timbre

My mother, who is now 80, is from England. She met my father during the war whe nhe was a bomber pilot with the US 8th Air Force stationed in England. They married after the war and my mother became a US citizen. She has thought for some time that England was going down the tubes. She is appalled at how far England has fallen in so short a time, but she considers herself an American, and has for a very long time. She blames the socialists and the British government (I know, that's a redundancy) for the sad state of affairs in England.

133 hiker  Mon, Sep 25, 2006 4:06:25am

#118 6patrick6

"I, for one, will die fighting before I ever allow number five to happen. It may well be the last days for the current state of the first four, but I'll be damned if it'll happen here!"

I'm with you, brother. Locked and loaded and ready to give my all for my beloved America. I will not "go gently into that good night." I will fight with every fiber of my being, and one way or another, when I draw my last breath, wherever that may be, and whatever the circumstances, it will still be as a free man.

134 Carl B  Mon, Sep 25, 2006 5:08:35am

Wonder how effective the FBI would be in curbing the mafia if Guido and Luigi were invited into the inner circle of an investigation...

What maroons.

135 samhein  Mon, Sep 25, 2006 5:23:09am

What the...Geeze, go away for a day, and look what all I miss.

I had to reread the intro paragraph a second time, as I didn't think I was seeig it correctly. This IS totally insane!

Police giving the heads up on any anti-terrorism raids? Come on people. These are possible raids for TERRORISTS, not someone who lifted a 6 pack.

These Muslims must be laughing all the way to their hideouts...I mean mosques.


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 Frank says:

Stupidity has a certain charm -- ignorance does not.

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