I thought we covered gay police in an earlier thread.

Seriously, I wish there would be a backlash but I think we have to admit that the MSM will never run with this hypocrisy...

Sad...

The bile of the Left has become their mainstream

isn't this an invasion of privacy?

the dems are such hypocrites.

Democrats - because political and cultural suicide IS an option.

/sarc

OT

Iraqi Leaders Call For Moment Of Violence During Ramadan

From the Onion, but somehow too true.

reason 101 why dems shouldnt be trusted.

here is Charlie rangel arguing that "coersive tactics shouldnt be used on "So Called Terrorists"

[Link: hotair.com...]

I think all poiticians and public figures need to have a "Spartacus" moment--all get in front of microphones and proclaim, "I'm gay!" "Me too!" "Yes, we're all gay!"

True or not, it seems to be what's needed to dilute these "revelations"--not that it should matter.

/sure, I'm gay, isn't everyone? next subject!

Wait a minute.

If being gay is okay.

Then why is this guy doing this stuff like it is a weapon? Or a threat?

This is totally disfunctional behavior.

Drama Queen Central.

#7 Bill Amos

Another reason we need to keep the Re[publican majority is to keep ol' Charlie at his word to retire if the Dems don't win...

Charlie Rangel is a guy who continually gets 93% of the vote in his distrcit, is a race baiter and hypocrite.

So this is what the party of tolerance has decided they need to do to win elections?

Disgusting. This Rogers a**hole will get his someday.

isn't this an invasion of privacy?

Privacy only applies to getting blown in the Oval Office while speaking on the phone with Senators. Also applies to cigar games while Arafat is waiting in the next room.

What government officials do on their own time and NOT at work is open to Democrat scrutiny.

Jeez. Where've you been?

The Left actually hates gays, especially those who don't tote the party line, as witness their hatchet jobs of Dr. Tom Dooley and Herbert Hoover.

X and Y are gay ?
Who cares ?

Are they merry ? That is the question.

Next thing you know the Dems will 'out' the log cabin Republicans and call it a major scandal...

The Democratic Party, the Party of Tolerance (wink)

They really need to find a 'raging clue.'

Then why is this guy doing this stuff like it is a weapon? Or a threat?

He still can't get over the ass-kickings he would get in High School.

Again, I'm afraid that this may backfire on them in a big way. Many gays are one-issue voters and I suspect that this parade of public outings is not going to set well with many of them.

#13 Talkin Kamel: Herbert Hoover was gay?

Or do you mean J. Edgar Hoover?

Once more just to keep it straight:

Gay Democrat=oppressed minority requiring special priveleges and rules

Gey Republican=Pervert requiring long prison sentence

Any questions?

If McArthy wasn't right, I'd call this McArthyism!

These paradoxes are what happens when your political philosophy of the moment is based on what you can spin out of the 24 hour news cycle. That's what I like about this place: anything too far off the mark of reality goes down in flames (no pun intended folks, honest!) fast.

I'm not amused by all this at all. It goes to the heart of the unseriousness of the Democrats who think that outing politicians they don't like is justified in the pursuit of power and goes against everything the Democrats supposedly stand for.

For Democrats, the pursuit of absolute power is absolutely corrupting.

Why are Demcrats above the law?

Harry Reid
Sandy Berger
etc...

I can't wait until the elections are over.

This just proves that one of the most dangerous things in the world of politics is to believe your own rhetoric. The Democrats really think that there are lots of Republicans who want to find every gay in the world and stone them to death.

I have never been to Idaho nor do I know anything about Lary Craig but my guess is, true or not, there have been rumors floating about this out there for awhile, it's just the nature of things. It hasn't made a difference up to now and it won't in three weeks.

The left really need to learn that most Republicans don't hate gays but we really don't like or trust Democrats.

And this is yet another bit of evidence that the Democrats are NOT pro-gay, pro-women, pro-black, pro-ANYTHING other than being pro-DNC. They'll rip into ANYONE who isn't supportive of what the DNC wants. Black, gay, woman, or even Democrats (e.g., Lieberman).

#21 TotallySirius

Any questions?

Yes.

Did Kennedy learn to swim ?

I thought sex and the bedroom isn't any of our business? that's what the Dems pounded all during the Clinton.

The reason Dems are citing for the outing of these Republicans is "not the fact that they are gay" (oh no) but "that they are hypocrites" for opposing things like gay marriage etc.

Unlike all the Democrats who have come forward with gay marriage amendments, like Sen Kerry did in the last election.

what's that?

he didn't? none of them did?

/nevermind

#29 P-L

He swam to shore didn't he?

Poor Mary Jo didn't get that option.

Years ago, the GOP used to be described as a tent and the MSM would blather on and on about whether the tent was "big enough" for various opinions. If a tent is a good description of the GOP, then a it appears that the Democrats are now running a gulag.

#25 FrogMarch 10/18/2006 09:09AM PDT
Why are Demcrats above the law?

Harry Reid
Sandy Berger
etc...

Because the MSM and their base never hold them accountable.

Sooo Are the Dems saying the Republicans are not allowed to have gays in the Senate or Congress.

That seems mighty homophobic of the entire democratic establishment.

They are attacking the very people that they want to have marriage rights, and to be PROUD.

I'm not sure if the democrats actually like gays. I mean after all it was BILL CLINTON who signed the "don't as don't tell legistaltion.

Democrats = Anti-GAY

I thought being gay was a badge of honor for the lefties?

And if we wonder why we can't get better candidates to run for office, ask yourself who in their right mind would subject themselves to the constant backstabbing, bickering, harassment - not to mention having your family dragged through the mud.

Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

I would say that about wraps up the Dimocratic party anymore. Not that this would mean anything to them - but it will.

#21 TS

I have a correction to make:

Once more just to keep it straight:

(Insert tag here) Democrat=oppressed minority requiring special priveleges and rules

(Insert derogatory tag here) Republican=Hate-filled warmonger requiring long prison sentence

Now dat's mo like it!

OT

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's internet service providers (ISPs) have started reducing the speed of Internet access to homes and cafes based on new government-imposed limits, a move critics said appeared to be part of a clampdown on the media.

An official said last week that ISPs were now "forbidden" by the Telecommunications Ministry from providing Internet connections faster than 128 kilobytes per second (KBps), the official IRNA news agency reported. He did not give a reason.

Internet technicians say speeds of 256 KBps, 512 KBps or higher are increasingly common internationally. Iranian surfers will now find it much slower to download music or anything else from the Web. Businesses have not been affected by the move.

Critics said the restriction would hinder the work of students and researchers but said it appeared in line with what they see as a squeeze on the media by the government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who rails against the West.

AbeDinnerJacket has been told by ALLAH IN THE WELL...
NO MORE ROCK MUSIC VIDEOS IN THE KINGDOM...

I love how Patterico's (and Jeff Goldstein's) pet troll "actus" tries to rationalize this slander, then denies he did, then rationalizes it all over again.

Heh.

And we thought Gordon was bad.

Speaking of fascist Leftists, Columbia ACLU debates whether assault constitutes free speech;

ACLU Holds Free Speech Forum

The Columbia American Civil Liberties Union hosted a free speech debate between student political leaders Tuesday night at Hamilton Hall, centering on whether protesters had the right to rush the stage at the Oct. 4 Minuteman speech.

Just how would they react if conservatives rushed Ward Churchill's lecturn to shut down his "illegitimate" speech?

Inside Higher Education says its all very "complicated".

"The students had a right to unfurl banners at an event,” said Heidi Boghosian, executive director of the National Lawyers Guild, a liberal bar association that has supported the protestors. “Some people have asked, ‘Well, was it crossing the line to go up on the stage?’”

“I don’t think that’s crossing the line.”
---
“In addition to a crack-down on dissent in this country, there seems to be a waning tolerance for civil disobedience. If you want, you can call the act of jumping on the stage an act of civil disobedience, a practice that has been used for hundreds of years in this country to resist tyranny,” said Boghosian, who added that she believed the university would likely have given the students just a “slap on the wrist” if the situation had not turned violent.

OT Disgusted "Christians"

Christian churches and the financing of terrorism-Australian examples
Muslim charities and others in support of jihadists in Australia have formed an alliance with church groups sympathetic to their cause, which is proving useful in raising funds and giving legitimacy to the jihadist cause.

In late 2005 John Henderson, secretary general of the National Council of Churches Australia(NCCA) was asked for comment on the evidence presented him of links between Muslim Aid Australia and jihadists organizations, including Al-Qaeda, given the NCCA and Muslim Aid’s joint fund raising efforts for persons in Iraq.

[Link: www.terrorfinance.org...]

They're still revelling about it this morning
965 Comment Diary - The Larry Craig Outing - Update

In my diary yesterday I posted a poll in which I asked whether it was 'right' to out Republicans like Craig. Over 4,000 people voted, with 70% indicating it was 'ok' to out Craig. Hypocrisy, in most of the comments, was the issue.

So, today, I will pose a question to the DailyKos community concerning the question of morality and 'dirty politics'.

Should we be prepared to use tactics like this to win politically? If not, why?

Read the Komments to see how they justify this. It's just plain sad they can't see what they've become. If you told me 6 years ago that the Repulican party would become the party of tolerance and diversity I would have laughed in your face. Yet, here we are.

Gay Bashing to defeat the Rethuglicans is A OK in Lefty logic land.

Oh, and that disgusting pervert pedophile the Repubelicans let roam the halls of congress raping pages:

FBI Yet to Find Evidence of Foley-Page Sexual Contact

Shouldn't the complaint be that the Senator is bisexual?

#19 doppelganglander
No concrete evidence of it exists.

But mob legend that came down through my family was that Meyer Lansky had a photo of J Edgar in his favorite frock, mid stroke into a deviant oral act.

It all started with Mary Cheney if you remember.

The Democratic Party has become so schizophrenic, it’s getting scary. Yet, I delight in the ideological meltdown.

Says his sources are men Craig has had sex with.

John Mark Carr?

#37 C P

A few days ago,I posted a list of minorities and how they are percieved by the 2 parties using the same template.

Your post pretty well sums it up nicely.

How any minority can vote democrat after the way the dems treat them is beyond me.

#3 shug

The bile of the Left has become their mainstream

/What you said

Davida,

Then why is this guy doing this stuff like it is a weapon? Or a threat?

This is totally disfunctional behavior.

Remember, Lefties think that all Republicans are all gay hating, Bible thumping bigots. In the twisted world-view of the Kos kiddies, they believe that they are revealing our hypocricy.

How come the MSM isn't all over this story?NO, no, stop laughing, I'm serious.
"outting" anyone for pure political profit and gain (and as far as I'm concerned, for any other reason) is one of the basest forms of human behavior. The MSM is (or was, they seem to be running out of steam a little now) all agog over the Foley non-physical contact with a page; once they got through making Gerry Studds look like the greatest congresscritter to come down the road, they barely mentioned his Congressional Censure.
But the MSM are traditionally all in favor of (including, especially their "news" stories) of gay rights, gay marriage etc. etc. I have no quarrel with any of that, but it does seem strange that the MSM, to whom personal privacy is more important (obviously) than money, hasn't jumped on this mofo Rogers.
Or is it just that Rogers is "outting" Republicans?

#45 Babba Zee: Thanks. I knew it was an urban legend but I wasn't sure if Talkin Kamel misspoke.

BTW, there's NOTHING about this "bombshell" in Yahoo news. I searched "Senator Larry Craig" and got nothing. And Craig isn't even up for re-election till 2008. Some October surprise.

#31 mama winger

The reason Dems are citing for the outing of these Republicans is "not the fact that they are gay" (oh no) but "that they are hypocrites" for opposing things like gay marriage etc.

Yep. If you're gay, then you're required to be for gay marriage and be a Democrat. If you're black then you're required to feel like a victim, want to be treated differently than other races (oh, the irony of it all...) and be a Democrat. If you're a woman you're required to think like a post-60s NOW feminist, feel like a victim, and be a Democrat. Depart from any of that, and you're a traitor to your "gender", race, or sexuality.

#42 Killgore

Moral equivocating ass-munches.

There is no excuse for vilifying a minority,period.

This proves that the democrats will stab anybody in the back as long as it suits them.

Even stabbing their own coveted gays in the back.

Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

J Edgar Hoover was a cross dresser, but that doesn't make him gay. This whole thing just shows how full of crap the party of kumbaya and inclusion is by wielding around the gay card like your life is ruined if you're gay. Who cares? But what a good way to divert attention away from meaningful matters...

We have a crossdresser in our building who has a wife and family, not gay. He was wearing a light blue slip dress when I saw him in the elevator this morning. He counteracts my ninny 20-something neighbor who wears a full USSR military uniform 24/7.

The central point of this whole issue is never mentioned:

Why is it assumed that anyone who is homosexual must always support specific left-wing "gay" causes? It is this that the "outers" use as the justification for their "outing": that a gay man who votes against "gay marriage" is by definition a hypocrite.

Why so?

It's entirely possible that someone is homosexual and yet still thinks that marriage is a heterosexual institution. In fact, I personally know at least two uncloseted gay people (one man, one woman) who are opposed to "gay marriage" as a concept, even though they're "liberal" on most issues.

Where is the hypocrisy? Not every person of every sexual orientation must necessarily think the same way politically.

The hypocrisy comes from the outers who punish anyone who veers from the party line.

Google news gives you two gay sites, Hot Air's article linking to Patterico, and two articles where Craig denies the allegations.

Yawn.

This comment says it all (commenting on Idaho Sen. Larry Craig Denies Allegations of Same-Sex Affairs article)

By IreneFingIrene, 10-17-06
So... we're not supposed to spy on communications with al-Qaeda members but we can expose the private lives of Americans?

#52 realwest

Or is it just that Rogers is "outting" Republicans?

Bingo. If he was outing only Dems the MSM would be all over this as the biggest Rovian hatecrime yet.

#24 lawhawk - "For Democrats, the pursuit of absolute power is absolutely corrupting." Absolutely great line and, unfortunately, true.
The Dems will do or say anything to get into power.
As bad as that is (i.e., "The ends justify the means") once they get power they fuck up. Consistently. Always.
It absolutely astonsishes me that the Dems could pick up 40 seats in the House, maybe control of the Senate, and they have had NOT ONE contructive, positive or supportive postion since 2000.

#58 Zombie

I agree, in Kansas there are many gay Christians who are thoroughly opposed to the Gay Marriage Ammendment.

of course the LLL denies that Gay Christians can exist...

#42 Killgore Trout

If you told me 6 years ago that the Repulican party would become the party of tolerance and diversity I would have laughed in your face. Yet, here we are.

Most Republicans I know are very tolerant of other people. It comes from the whole "personal responsibility" thing - accept the consequences of what you do and judge others by what they do (not by whether they are gay or religious or etc.)

57 angela

Sounds like you live in an interesting neighborhood!

#58 zombie - You know I think you're one of the best things around since canned beer, but I must respectfully disagree with you.
This is NOT about actual positions, intelligent political debate about legitimate issues, it is only about one thing: The Dems (who, BTW, haven't even bothered with the standard "Rogers doesn't speak for us" diclaimer)want to win and will do or allow to be done ANYTHING that will put them back in power.
They believe that Republicans, and in particular the "Religious Right" won't vote for someone who is gay. I hope they're wrong on that.
It is, I think, illuminating (or should be to any
intelligent gay person) as to just what the Dems really think about gays and gay rights.

Thanks for the "word" #36

Thanks #58 zombie - I was trying to say that- you succeeded

& #24- yes the dems think this is all theater, They think all we should worry about is this petty nonsense. Not Jihadism, Nukes in Nuke Korea, Nukes from the border that may be set to go after the next Osama Tape Realase. (probably after the election, they're getting amer-politico-savy)

I am really disgusted by this.

An individual's private sexual preferences is not a matter for the public arena and not something we should be discussing about anyone. What the hell ever happened to the concept of "in private"? We're not even talking behavior - this is just the preferences we're talking about. That is private, unless an individual wants to make it public him/herself.

I blame Bill Clinton for dragging this subject into the public arena.

When will it become obvious that the Left is not Liberal, and doesn't give a damn about people's rights.

#58 zombie
I personally, although hetrosexual, am opposed to marriage as a concept.

Although I am in favor of Gay Marriage. Mostly because I think marriage is already SO gay!

This is a huge opportunity.
Everyone is being instructed in the following:
1) You either work for the Democrats or you don't work.
2) Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Republicans tolerate gays, despite the image the Dems have pushed for years.
3) Gays are not monolithic in their personal beliefs and politics. Just because one is gay does not mean one is all for gay marriage. A big duh in normal times, incomprehensible to gay radical Left activists.
Substitute "African-Americans" for "gay" in 1) and 2) or any other Democratic "Identity Group" and understand why the ideologically rigid Democratic Party is on the verge of a massive voter exodus.

ROFLMAO! dKos has been blocked by my company.

#53 doppelganglander

Heh, heh, I should have elaborated a bit---the fact is, whether or not Hoover was actually gay, straight, just a cross-dresser or any number of things in between,the Left has tried to demonize him as a crazed, closet perv, and an example of hypocrisy. The same with Dooley (he dared criticize the Communists, after all) and the gay lawyer whose name gets blackened in the Kushner play, "Angels in America", and on and on and on. . .

Which, again, if the Left really believed their own talk about tolerance and what people do in their bedrooms being nobody else's business, they wouldn't be constantly dragging their opponents' sexuality into politics, or desperately trying to "out" everybody.

Let's just declare Nov. 7 National Gay Day, dress up in drag and storm the polls.

Next day's headline: Gay GOPers Retain Majority.

I wonder if the Dems understand that many gays and bisexuals will be really angry about this. Actually, some are now.

#63 Thanos - But the REAL question is would they vote for a Republican Congressman if he/she is gay?
The Democrats don't think so.
The Democrats think the "religious right" is so intorlerant that even whispering that someone might be homosexual means that they won't vote for that person.
Think about it, honestly, don't you think the Dem's have a point?

I'm all for gay conservatives.

We need more of them.

I think the Dems are still angry about this:

THE ELEPHANT IN THE BEDROOM
Ten (and a half) reasons why Republicans—yes, Republicans—are the best party in bed By Anonymous

These Kos kids are saying that Craig should resign if the allegations are true. For goodness sakes why!? Just because he's gay? Isn't that the whole point of live and let live? Boy, these gay liberals are just as nasty as the black socalled leaders who denounce any black who happens to be conservative as an "Uncle Tom." Do they have such a low opinion of themselves that they cannot accept their own proclivities unless every other person in the world who shares it shouts their homosexuality from the mountaintop? Whose business is it of their's anyway? I don't know whether the senator is gay or not and I don't care. I do care that some little schmuck has tried to ruin a family and taken direct aim at this man's kids. What about the protection of children these hypocrites have been screaming about with regards to Foley? Who is destroying children now?

BTW This senator's voting record is in no way hypocritical even if he is gay. Does being gay mean that you are born with a inate prediliction to destroy all of society as we know it? Homosexualilty has always been around and there have been cultures, like the Ancient Greeks, that embraced it. Even these cultures knew better than to destroy the institution of marriage. Marriage is about society and society's survival, and the protection of the legacy of children. Again, these activists never think about the kids. They only think about their narcissistic selves.

#77

In answer to your question:

No.

Perhaps a gay Republican might not go over well in some parts of the country but out here in Los Angeles we have a very popular gay Republican talk radio host named Al Rantel.

He's a good guy...and very funny too. Southern California Republicans love him.

Man, thats desperate. Do they actually think anyone gives a royal raging rat's ass?

#77 realwest: Certainly not. The few extremist Christians who might think that way are too busy stockpiling food and weapons in their basements that they don't vote anyway. The rest have at least one gay friend or relative and enough sense to separate one's personal life from one's political views.

But conveniently crossdressing as needed, Defeatocrat spokestool WashPost's style section is celebrating macho "Born Fighting" REDNECK chic--to boost their candidate Jim Webb's chances to win Virginia's Senate seat held by Senator George Allen, who wears cowboy boots.

Nothing subtle about the huge picture of Webb foreshortened to show him wearing (probably) his son's combat boots. Caption says REDNECK something or other.

They also push the meme that like Cindy Sheehan, Webb is more legitimate because he has "sacrificed" a son to the military (an adult who volunteered to serve our country in that capacity).

(When George Allen wears boots & cowboy hats, it's fake but Jim Webb's boots just have more John Kerryiesque zhje ne sey qwah.)

I'm not seeing this alleged, so-called outing being reported anywhere other than by the lunatics, and thinking perhaps the media is treading very cautiously, realizing what actually is happening.

With Foley, his immediate resignation led them to pounce on it (and not let go), but here I'm sensing the media realizes how dirty this is, and will be very careful.

I suspect this Rogers may have been blackmailing people as well, and will be visted by the FBI before long, if he hasn't already.

When the Democrats sift through the ruins of their great expectations come Nov. 8, it will be interesting to see the internecine blame game on how they f--ked it all up.

Dontcha getit? Gays aren't allowed to be Republican. Neither are blacks.

Ann Althouse
"Lefty Blogger Outs Senator As Gay."
Patterico notes. Captain Ed comments.

Kos is taking a poll. "Do you agree with outing Gay Republicans?" 70% say "yes.
The poll is gone.

Realwest -- if the Gay Republican was strong on nat'l security, anti-abortion, a capitalist, pro-firearms person, yeah they could win even in Kansas. Hell, we put Dennis Moore in office, much rather have a gay than a lib.

I suspect this Rogers may have been blackmailing people as well, and will be visted by the FBI before long, if he hasn't already.

When the Democrats sift through the ruins of their great expectations come Nov. 8, it will be interesting to see the internecine blame game on how they f--ked it all up.

Now that would be something -- any potentially smoking guns out there?

My district's perennial Republican candidate for Congress is openly gay. Unfortunately, he is up against Rosa DiLauro representing New Haven, and has almost no chance of unseating her.

#81 Manzanita and Sage - I certainly hope you're right about that. I, unfortunately, know a few Evangelicals to whom just the word "gay" drives them up a wall.
BTW, as a minor point of order, it is sorta customary around here, that when you respond to a poster, you post both the comment # and the posters nic. It just makes discussion a lot easier.

Someone needs to start outing straight Democrats.

#89 Thanos - Thanks my friend, I sure hope you're correct. But please see ##87 LaMano's comment.

#89 Thanos

Realwest -- if the Gay Republican was strong on nat'l security, anti-abortion, a capitalist, pro-firearms person, yeah they could win even in Kansas. Hell, we put Dennis Moore in office, much rather have a gay than a lib.

Dennis Moore - Dennis Moore, etc. etc.

/bloody lupins

One other statement as an addendum. The heathen wing of the Dimocratic party has so perverted the word tolerance, it has become twisted.

tol·er·ance
sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own.

Using the strict definition of the word, few people are more tolerant than Evangelical Christians. I can differ as to my opinion of the gay lifestyle and the value thereof and still be sympathetic to the hardships that it causes and treat gays respectfully. Each of us are entitled to our own beliefs and opinions. Not all are of equal value.

Liberals don't understand the difference between tolerance and acceptance. They don't want tolerance - they want you to accept their way of thinking.

Do these people think it's 1970? You've got to wonder about the issues that people have when the accusation they come up with is "U R Gay!"
Frankly, and I tried to think of where it would matter, I can't see the possible gayness of a candidate mattering, especially since the people accusing them have been saying that gayness is not a choice for the last 30 years. Adultery matters, pedophila matters, but sexual orientation? I can't see how that would impact in 2006.

Another thing that really bugs me about these outing geeks is that they have a very misogynistic view of women. Their view is that if this man has gay tendencies how dare he sleep with a woman. He even had kids by her! How disgusting! Doesn't he know that only men should sexually excite him? He should leave that woman at once and shack up with some guy. He might be more likely to want to destroy marriage enmasse, if he's already done it at home.

#93 Zombie,

Someone needs to start outing straight Democrats.

LOL. True; very true. They could start with Bill Clinton and Jimmah Carter.

J.D. (#88),

The poll is gone.

Oh so brave to so proudly stand by their opinions.

I think the mainstream DC politicos really don't want to open this can of peas. There are mucho skeletons in closets. The thing is, these Dem bottom feeders are trying to play to what they perceive as intolerant middle America.

IMHO, if they get any play at all, the average American will not be pleased with the tactics.

This reminds me of something that happened during the Army/McCarthy hearings in 1954 (I read about it - I'm not THAT old):

The army hired Boston lawyer Joseph Welch to make its case. At a session on June 9, 1954, McCarthy charged that one of Welch's attorneys had ties to a Communist organization. As an amazed television audience looked on, Welch responded with the immortal lines that ultimately ended McCarthy's career: "Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness." When McCarthy tried to continue his attack, Welch angrily interrupted, "Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?"

Overnight, McCarthy's immense national popularity evaporated. Censured by his Senate colleagues, ostracized by his party, and ignored by the press, McCarthy died three years later, 48 years old and a broken man.

Source: [Link: www.senate.gov...]

Next the Kosies will be outing metrosexual Republicans, like David Dreier.

/actually I have a feeling Dreier is gay.

#92 realwest

Point taken. :)

#93 zombie - ROTFLMAO! What I think someone might do (I'm not suggesting this as I am firmly in the rights of privacy of individuals, even *spit* politicians) is start outting Democrats who are unfaithful to their spouses.

#102 Ringo
I thought that was common knowledge.

#100 Geepers

Probably removed by the "oversight committee".
Wouldn't it be interesting to know who's on that?

#87 LaMano - Indeed, neither are blacks or Hispanics and, for a helluva a lot of one-issue Dems, neither are women.

Eewww. That site meter on the right (below "Frank says:") is a multicolored rainbow. That must mean at least one of us here is gay. Let's out him!

This clearly defines why voting Democrat is beyond reason. These proud scumbags don't have the sense to realize their targeting/offending their own base. This is not entirely separate from what they did to Lieberman -- political cannibalisam.

Do you want morons running the country?

J.D.,

I thought that was common knowledge.

Maybe it is...I don't know.

He just always seems so well manicured.

#104 realwest 10/18/2006 10:11AM PDT

zombie - ROTFLMAO! What I think someone might do (I'm not suggesting this as I am firmly in the rights of privacy of individuals, even *spit* politicians) is start outting Democrats who are unfaithful to their spouses.
===
Yeah, but no one cares about adultery anymore -- libs especially.

Unless you're neo-con and in that case you're going straight to hell.

This Michael Rogers guy is one of the most repellent figures on the political scene today

Sorry Charles, you and your right-wing shill buddies still have a corner on "most repellent" in today's political scene.

As is witnessed by the ridiculous smear you are flinging at poor Charlie Rangel in the very next thread.

*Hey realwest*

I for one could care less if a politician is gay or straight. What I care about is the right of the politician to keep their personal lives private if they want, or to make it public if they chose too.

The Kos Kidz (and the rest of the Lefties) are making a huge mistake by outing people like this. Just like Kerry did in the presidential debate, this will backfire on them big time.

14 P-L LOL very nice.

It is a scary thought that there's at least a possible chance that we could be watching Speaker Pelosi hammering the gavel in the next three weeks.

God help us if that happens. It will be two years of one witch hunt after another with nothing being done about the headchoppers.

That should just about give them enough time to do a Vietnam type pullout all over again. Wonder how many millions will die this time?

One more thing. I went to the Kos thread just now. ICK. I only had to go three or four comments deep to find OBVIOUIS anti-gay comments. I'm not going to repeat them here. Then they go on and on about how wonderfully diverse they are and how hypocritical everyone else is.

This whole thing started when Clinton was outed as being black.

111 Gordon

"Poor Charlie Rangel"?

LOL.

Eh...

Dance with the Devil...this is what you get.

~Norsk Troll

Hi Gordon,

Sorry Charles, you and your right-wing shill buddies still have a corner on "most repellent" in today's political scene

Who would you be refering to then? Would you please name a few of these repellent Republicans so that we know who you're talking about?

92 realwest. My husband (big, macho, conservative, military) has gotten in several "discussions" in Sunday School settings when someone brings up how awful homosexuality is. He often asks them how they became qualified to quantify sin. Then he follows with the zinger "why does this church offer divorce care?" The Bible is much more explicit in its prohibitions against divorce than prohibitions against homosexuality. Jesus himself discussed divorce. He never discussed homosexuality.

Gordon,

As a comparison to the tolerance you bellow about, how long do you think I would last on KOS if I were to personally insult the owner of the site? Yet, Charles has allowed you to bloviate for at least 2-3 years now and you're still here. Few of us mind and few of us holler for you to be banned. Want to talk about tolerance again?

You sir are nothing but a hypocrite and backstabber. Your the sheep that hates the sheep dog until the wolf shows up. Then you bleat louder than the rest.

For Democrats, the pursuit of absolute power is absolutely corrupting.

This is a sadly true statement. To their downfall occasionally, the Republican party is still about ideas. The Democrats lost that in 1994 when they lost the house. They have developed a cult of victimhood around BJ Clinton and victimhood which, like the Palestinians too many of them support, have granted themselves the right to do anything which advances their cause.

The party is no longer an alternative set of ideas on some things and shared ideas on some things, but rather a cult of personality which simply stands for - anything the republicans stand for, we oppose. As the Kerry campaign platform - "I'm not Bush" showed, ideas still matter to a majority of voters in this country.

#102 Ringo the Gringo

David Dreier is my congressman. I think he's a good guy, I also know that he's gay.
I really don't care one way or another if he's gay or not, just as long as he does a good job.

And Nodrog- take your meds...

woops your/you're

Must be backfiring on the Democrats - Gordon has been dispatched to run interference.

Oh nodrog you are sooo wrong. Chuckie Rangel is worth every excresence that we can lay upon him.

I find gays repulsive and the whole thing repugnant but, I tolerate it because it is the right thing to do. They tolerate me as well. This whole thing will blow up in their faces you know...this Rogers guy is the worst of the worst. He even makes Gordon look like a piker and that is not easy.

Democrats are pro-women's rights, but they support a president that at best abused women, at worst used his office to commit rape.

Democrats support being gay, but will then out anyone that they oppose for being gay.

Dems support freedom of speech as long as it is used to call the president a chimp or 9/11 victims Little Eichmanns.

Religion? A tool to keep the weak minded rubes voting Repulican.

Am I missing anything?

DesertSage,

I like Dreier too.

He's a Hell of a lot better than my congressman, Henry Waxman...yeeech!

#125 wanumba,

Must be backfiring on the Democrats - Gordon has been dispatched to run interference.

LOL. And we all know how much resistance hot air provides. Gordon would do better to stay cold.

Somebody ought to teach Waxman about trimming nose hair - that man is disgusting. It really is not that difficuly Hank...

oops difficult PIMF

Here's the deal - and I don't know if it's just me or not.

I am against homosexuals having any special rights or protection that the rest of us don't have. I'm against homosexual marriage on moral and civic grounds. I'm not going to discuss the specifics here, because we know how that usually goes - but i would like to let you guys know...that I'm at the point where if the democrats "outed" a conservative politician - that was conservative in every other area - that I voted for, it wouldn't run me to the other party or keep me from voting for him or her again. Do what you want in your own bedroom - I may not agree with it, but it's sure not going to make me not vote for you if you're conservative on immigration and terrorism.

i hope this backfires on the democrats, but frankly I'm not sure they have anywhere left on their feet to shoot themselves.

I never thought I'd vote for an openly(or not) gay politician, but if it helps to bury the liberals on other issues, they'll still have my vote - because I can not and will not vote for - or help to elect a liberal democrat.

87 LaMano sez

Dontcha getit? Gays aren't allowed to be Republican. Neither are blacks.

Exactly. And it weirds me out to see gays say they support this tactic, when used against republicans because they are punishing someone for hypocracy...and then they go on paranoid rants about republicans wanting to lock up gays or take their jobs away, blah blah.

But damn, you'd better lock up Mark Foley, and better take away other gay republicans' jobs...um, because, er, return to step 1, repeat...

OK, I've only got time for four quick ones today..:

1) I'm a lesbian male - 'cause I only sleep with women.

2) Hurry - take cover everyone: The Dems are gonna BLOW!

3) Is it just me, or does Congresswoman McKinney look like a Taliban in drag..?

4) C.A.I.R. = Crazy Anti Infidel Resistance!

(Thank you - I'll be here all week...)

leftist hypocrites.

I thought that all leftists were friends of gays and homosexuals?

I guess they are only friends with gays and homosexuals, when it suits their political agenda.

Every time a leftist opens their mouth, their utter hypocricy comes through.

Well folks, if the GOP has you so upset that you may not vote, then welcome to the,

Pelosi/Boxer/Feinstein/Ried/Kennedy/Feingold/Clint on/Murtha/Kerry/Dean/Gore/Rockefeller/Durbin, etc, etc, etc, era.

Also, every vote for an Independent, with the lone exception of Joe Lieberman, is a vote for the kook left.

If the GOP and Independents can't get these kook leftists voted out of public office for good, then those voters, or non voters, absolutly deserve what befalls this great country.

Why isn't the ACLU jumping on this to protect the rights and privacy of Larry Craig?

Any ideas?

#120 funky chicken

...Jesus himself discussed divorce. He never discussed homosexuality.

Actually, Funky, Jesus was quite explicit when it came to homosexuality and heterosexuality:

Mark 10:6-9
6 But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.'
7 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
8 and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.

Here, Jesus clearly states how sexual relations were to be from the beginning of creation, and how God designed it: men should have sexual relations (i.e. one flesh) with women.

NOWHERE does He mention men having sexual relations with men or men being one flesh with men or that a man shall leave his father and be joined with his husband...

In fact, it is logical on a secular level to eschew homosexual conduct: it doesn't increase the population (thus reducing taxes), it wastes food and resources on people that are not contributing toward the furtherance of human kind and logic tells you that one shouldn't stick their weenie up an orifice that has excrement coming out of it (not to be vulgar, but that is what sodomy, or 'gay sex', really is...)

Does that mean I, or anyone else, should hate someone because they are homosexual?
Certainly not!
Is it right or moral for one to hate a mentally ill person (i.e. someone who sticks their wennie up another man's rectum for pleasure)?

God forbid!

But don't run around saying that Jesus was silent on the matter. He is only silent to those who don't want to know the truth.

~Norsk Troll

Gays are allowed to be Republican if they live, breath, speak, and vote like they were Democratic.

Would he be outed had he voted for gay marrige, or voted for "gay" hate crimes, or supported any of the gay agenda supported by people who live, breath, dream, fantasize, and die about being gay?

These singular position gays have no other definition of themselves, so they hate, envy, detest, but mostly fear other people because they don't believe in themselves as anything more then a sexual being.

This whole damn separate but equal argument never ends in equality...only in a master and slave relationship.

This man is sick and fellow gays need to slap him back into place.

The leftards that Mike Rogers hopes to reach have a stereotype that Christians hate gays with the same deranged, drooling, hatred with which leftards hate Christians. This is all part of a coordinated campaign between leftard activists and their media allies --- the outings, the Foley scandal, the Kuo book --- to get the Christian Right not to vote on election day.

This guy is really banking hard on his insanely bigoted, prejudiced, stereotyped views of midwesterners.

Hope those bigoted views are correct for his sake.

#139 V the K

I think you're right on the money.

And it goes right along with the recent media attention given to the guy (I'm sorry; I can't recall his name) who's complaining about how disappointed he is that G.W. Bush hasn't pushed through every little desire of the faith-based initiative crowd, and saying that the Republicans were just using Christians to get into power and don't actually care about them and their values.

But even if that were all true, the Republican Party still would be a bajillion times better than the Democrats, who can only approve of forms of Christianity that are shorn of all actual meaning, and would like to see all other Christians shut out of all public debate.

Rush just mentioned LGF, again.

#96 goodbye natalie

I'm a bit of a word nut.
A bit of semantics, but a good distinction:
You tolerate something that works to the good.
You permit something that does not work toward the good. Permitting takes a conscience decision. An example: tolerant parents vs. permissive parents. Two completely different meanings.

#143 love the nick

idigscotch&scotchburiesme

Have you noticed the viewers online counter spiked?

Norsk Troll sigh. Jesus wasn't shy about flat out condemning stuff that really pissed him off. Adultery? check. Temple as shopping center? check. Thinking you were holy because you followed lots of silly rules like the Pharisees? check.

I agree, Jesus didn't PROMOTE homosexuality. And we'd probably agree that it is offensive that so many gay advocates insist upon doing just that...and scream that any attempt to stop them from promoting homosexuality is some form of bigotry. But the evangelical focus on homosexuality as the prime sin, while offering "healing" classes for adulterers is weird.

I don't think any but serious nutters would change their vote for a decent person based upon some loser's "outing" attempt. Obviously Mr. Rogers and his backers in the dem party believe differently. Or they think nutters make up the majority of the republican party. Talk about projection!

This will be my last post on this subject.

No idea if it's true or not, but if it is true the only thing this guy is guilty of is weakness.

I.e., putting up a front and living a lie for personal comfort.

It still wouldnt lose my vote if he was otherwise right on the issues.

However, he denies it and between a multiple-term Senator and a completely psychopathic blogger, Ill take the Senators word until I see definitive proof that he's closeted.

#147 funky chicken

Mark 10:6-9
6 But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.'
7 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
8 and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.

There are none so blind as those who will not see...

~Norsk Troll

Gay Republicans? Yes, on the Day After the elections, when the defeated-yet-again moonbat Bonkey party is reeling around like a drunken sailor in a hurricane saying "what happened?" (as if believing your own propaganda is a GOOD THING. AS IF!), there will be many gay Republicans, shouting "huzzah!", "booyah!" and impishly mooning the defeated Bonkeys with a saucy Bart-Simpson-ish wiggle of the hips! Yes, all of the Republican Party will be happy and gay, knowing that we have saved the country yet again...

...oh, not "gay" as in happy? Oh, that kind of gay? Err, well, so what? What happens between two consenting adults is no damn business of mine. As long as the person can get the job done, I couldn't care less about their race, creed or sexual orientation (now, in the case of one particular religion, I might have just a teensy-weensy problem with that...) To thinnk that I am going to punish the Republican party becuase it has [gasp!] gays in it, well, you'd have to be a real Kool-Aid mainlining Bonkey to beleive that idiocy!

(FWIW, this straight male Christian Republican libertarian (note the small 'l') goes to a church with a large gay contingent and it does not bother me in the least bit. It makes me feel good to know that there is sanctuary and fellowship for them there and I am glad to be a part of providing both to them).

:Gordon was here, Yogi.

:When he comes back, put this in his fruitcup and we'll take him out back and have some fun with him, BooBoo.

:Boyohboy, here he comes now, Yogi.

Goodbye_Natalie (#121)
Woohoo!

Nodrog- bleat bleat bleat

Ringo the Gringo (#128)
First time I ever laid eyes on him my mind said: Half bovine ( that is pig, correct? )

nope that is cow idigscotch

bolivar (#145)
&itlovesmeafterwork :}

Is there nothing more perverted than a Democrat with predilections?

J.D. (#146)
All I see right now are the comments I'm trying to read through ( stopped @ yours to respond ).
Where is it located, the main page?

Clutch (#150)
Now that was PRICELESS!

I hope this kind of utter trash encourages more non-leftists to vote.

This deplorable tactic is really all about the old ignorant leftist certainty, the old ignorant leftist assumption that Republicans are mere and simple bigots who will be disgusted by a gay "outing" of a Republican legislator.

Words cannot express how much offense I personally take at such a assumption.

BTW I could not care less whether Larry Craig is gay or messing around with guys in public restrooms, as long as he discharges his legislative duties properly.

However, I do care about the kind of sleazy "politics" that keeps good men and women from running, knowing that every peccadillo of their past may be blown up in their faces and be used to try to wreck their lives.

I wish I lived in Idaho and could vote for him.

#144 splendid,

You tolerate something that works to the good.

Well, I guess to each their own but that is not how I see it - just the opposite, in fact.

I tolerate my children bickering with each other. I tolerate my wife nagging me though I don't agree with it - but I do permit it.

I do not accept that gay marriage would not harm the country.

ref 111 Gordon.

Ya know gordon old son I gotta tell you I been saving a few zingers for you.

Here we go.

As for reprehensible (and your counter on KOS kids must be running low, I ain't seen you round much) one of the most repulsive people I knew was named Gordon.

This piece of filth offered me a bribe to sell out his father who was suffering from Altzheimers, told me how much he would slip under the table if I 'cooked the books.'

TO this day I thank god I left the Walther in my Hotel Room.

You Gordon are a cheap shill and a sell out.

other than that your phenomenal misguidance is a hallmark of ignorance and destructive behavior.

So knock back a prozac followed by some Wild Turkey and in the famous words of others:

sierra tango foxtrot uniform (STFU)

I'm done with you Gordon you may now leave.

you been rapnuked!

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