Insane

link no worky.

CNN is in league with the Code 404 Lizard?

link no worky.

Just go to cnn.com, it's on the front page.

The media are the enemy. Any decent society would have these people dangling from lamposts by sundown.

CNN IS America's enemy, if not in league with the enemy!

The deadly tactic is one the U.S. military also uses to take out insurgents.

Remember folks, we're no better than they are!

The graphic video of 10 sniper attacks was obtained by CNN -- through intermediaries -- from the Islamic Army of Iraq

"Intermediaries" == CNN's jihadi friends.

CNN is openly doing the work of the enemy.

yes the MSM is the NME

here
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Just remember, these are the video's that even YouTube are banning.

The MSM is on the other side in the WoT, and has been for some time.

By the way, who actually owns CNN?

The graphic video of 10 sniper attacks was obtained by CNN — through intermediaries — from the Islamic Army of Iraq

Oh, well, if it's through intermediaries, then there's no problem here. Carry on, CNN.

Call me optimistic, but I think this time CNN really has gone too far. This will blow up in their faces.

"CNN believes the story -shocking as it is- needs to be told."

But WHY by you, CNN?

Let the terrorists tell their own story! DAMN!

They know it’s “for propaganda purposes,” and they gleefully put it on their front page anyway. CNN is openly doing the work of the enemy.

But Charles, it is an election year. Everyone knows that the Enemy of the Republicans is the Democrats friend.

And that is really the way they draw the line. The Disloyal Opposition. G-d help us if they win.

CNN = Communist News Network! Morons.

Ooooh - these are much more mild than video footage of 9/11.

Wouldn't want to show anything that could upset people now...

C'mon, they were taking lessons of Russian until the day before yesterday, now they are trying to adapt and help the NEW enemy of America.
Poor things, they are stressed.

Sure, the story 'needs to be told', because just like in the Tet offensive, the media is allying with the enemy to bring America and its allies down. It's only a short time to elections, so of course showing the killing of OUR SOLDIERS, Islamic death porn, is justified in their twisted little minds.

I would say "shame" to CNN but they have no decency left.

Tried to watch it but the CNN website does not like my lack of IE. I wonder how much they paid for it?

I see this as an infinitesimal improvement. At least we are getting the beginnings of truth in labeling. It is (ever so inconspicuously) labeled as enemy propaganda.

Can we question their patriotism now?

Ahmadinejad says: 'I Have a Connection With God, Since God Said That the Infidels Will Have No Way to Harm the Believers'; 'We Have [Only] One Step Remaining Before We Attain the Summit of Nuclear Technology'; The West 'Will Not Dare To Attack Us'

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'nuff said?

What a surprise...

This is sickening... 19 days to go... They WANT the Dems to win... The terrorists WANT them to win as well...

CNN is openly hostile towards America... Journalism is one thing, propaganda is another...

Thank God they were not around in WWII.

The truth hurts, doesn't it Charles?

The war in Iraq has turned into a disastrous nightmare, for one of three reasons:

1. It was a mistake to begin with.

2. The successful outcome possible was botched by the Bush administration

3. Because Muslims are inherently evil, Iraq is ungovernable.

The CNN video is a necessary antidote to the Bush administration's failure to face reality regarding Iraq.

But you refuse to face reality on Iraq too, don't you Charles? Hence the attack on CNN. It's easier than admitting you are wrong.

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aaw nuts...here we go again...

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Eh,Charles

Rawk

I win again

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Gordon want a cracker

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No.5 Lizard by the Bay:

I absolutely love the 'dangling from lamposts' idea for the MSM's finest. If we ever get round to actually doing it, I hope I get invited to the party.

Let CNN know how you feel.

Gee, I wonder why CNN is losing viewers?

Yeah Nodrog, the nazi propaganda, as you say, is a necessary antidote against the bloodthirsty Patton.

Congrats, a new low for you too.

From Al Jazeera "The Rise of Evil in the west"

No they are arguing that "Right Wingers" in the west are labelling Islam as evil (Oddly using some of the most liberal papers out there) and they say this is part of an orgistrated right wing plot against Islam. And that the left in the west needs to rise and save the west from itself.

So I guess Al Jazeera is voting democratic.

[Link: translate.google.com...]


The rise of evil in Western societies
Alaa Bayoumi

Audit rapid emergence of the term to repeat ourselves in some Western newspapers months reveals a steady increase in use during the past five years in general and this year in particular.

The following table monitor the number of times the emergence of the term in the English newspapers, some of the most famous and influential dependent on the electronic search of America Lexis Nexis :

Times (British)
Guardian (British)
Independent (British)
The Toronto Star (Canadian)
The New York Times (American)
The Washington Post (American)

In return, the international scene has undergone major changes contributed to the retreat of the Western Left, and on top of these changes fall of the Soviet Union and the failure of political and economic model, and the leftist forces across the world for the challenges of economic and political systems, including the defeat of the left forces in the Middle East, which helped in the rise of right-wing forces in the region.

In this environment, events of the 11th September, which found some Western extremist right-wing forces a chance to promote the theory put forward since the fall of the Soviet Union, to say that the West is in need of a new enemy to unite against him. although Islam candidate to play that role. especially that Islam is a religion, and the presence of Muslims and Matnama in Western societies which make them easy targets for the new racism.

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Diseased excrement from a sick whore's buttcrack

CNN and Nogrod

This is done in stark contrast to the MSM refusing to air footage of civilians leaping to their deaths from the World Trade Center.

Some death porn is better than other, huh MSM?

Is the IRA helping these jihadis? I ask the question because we had a terror attack here that was carried out in a similar manner about 3-4 years ago (at a checkpoint in Samaria) and everyone here concluded that was an IRA trademark and that the IRA had trained the terrorists. Eventually they even proved the connection.

Palestinian terrorist chiefs have been importing marksmen for hire to hit Israeli troops for two or more years. In March 2002, the London Daily Telegraph, known for its good British MoD and intelligence sources, reported a request from the Israeli Mossad to the British MI6 to find out if an IRA sharpshooter had not been responsible for the 7 Israeli troop deaths at the Wadi Harmiya checkpoint. Israeli tests had shown that the planning of the ambush, the type of weapons used, the way the firefight was managed and, even more tellingly, the fact that the weapons left behind were not the ones used, were typical of an assailant thoroughly conversant with IRA tactics.

#12 TK:

By the way, who actually owns CNN?

Time Warner Inc., which is a publicly traded company. I don't recall who the principle shareholders are... Carl Icahn, I think, and ?.

Kosovo-Mazikert: Comparing our now worthless war in Iraq with the crusade against Nazi Germany (not to mention our 40-year battle against Stalinism and its successors) is a sign of the blinkered unreality infecting this site and the entire right-wing blogosphere like antibiotic-resistant tuberculosis bacilli.

But hey, attacking CNN is easier than admitting that you are WRONG, WRONG WRONG.

#27 Gordon

You ignored the real reason for the violence in Iraq, the Islamic terrorists who receive support from al Qaeda, & the Shiite extremists supported by Iran. They are able to do this because the Democrats, liberals and leftist condemn the US and give hope, encouragement & financial aid to the enemy.

"CNN is openly doing the work of the enemy"

Openly and with sanctimonius pride.

This is a PERFECT example of why 35,000 + people stood in Cent. Olympic Park in 2002 and turned toward CNN en masse and gave them the FINGER.
I gave them two. That's right. Both hands. And I never use that gesture in my everyday life.
This was during the Rally for America tour that Glenn Beck had.

That's right. 35,000 patriots told CNN just how we felt about them. They've been doing this for way too long now. I demand an FBI investigation of CNN.

I think I'll turn CNN on for a few minutes today and keep track of their advertisers. I don't think I'll be purchasing anything from them for a while, a long while.

The Caliphate News Network strikes again. CNN may as well put a gun to its head -- they're done. This kind of crap turns people off and only shows how unpatriotic the whole organization really is. Way to go losers.

I find #39 unacceptable for LGF standards of decency.

We don't call to kill ANYBODY except enemies attacking our Troops.

I hope they realize this makes conservatives get out there and vote.

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CNN will not be held accountable for this or other propaganda that it spews from its jihadi sources. To them, it's newsworthy and can bring in ad revenue. That's where it starts and ends.

However, I think that this should show the levels to which that the jihadis need to act and how we need to respond. The jihadis have snipers, and we have ours. Ours are better. Pulling our soldiers out of Iraq gives the country over to the jihadis, who will then simply move on to the next country where they can wreak havoc, until they're literally at our shores - and well within (arguable that they've already been here - see the El Al airport incident, the Beltway snipers, etc.).

#36 TotallyLoony: It's a lot easier spitting out insults like tobacco juice than it is to actually discuss an issue "sirius"-ly, isn't it?

Which is exactly what Charles is doing with this post. He's not quite as vile as you are, admittedly.

#27 Gordon The truth hurts

Of course everyone knows that Iraq is hopeless becuase Islam and democracy cannot co-exist and yes Bush has blown it but that is not the reason to be angry about CNN. The reason I would be angry at CNN is they love this stuff. They like to be in bed with enemy. Bush = stupid but CNN = enemy!

WTF is 42 trying to say?

Or is it as it appears,nothing but unintelligible bullshit masquerading as some sort of pseudointellectual cry for attention?

I think this is going to backfire on CNN and galvanize more support for our troops and the war in general.

When I see a marine get shot I want to kill every last one of those jihadist bastards.

Thank you Gordon for proving my point.

I started to watch the video, I couldn't finish. I don't want to see our soldiers being gunned down like that. I've got a brother in-law who starts his Marine duty on Tuesday.

The media thinks its ok to show Americans being murdered, eh?

Somebody let me know when its their heads in the crosshairs, that I'll watch.

Hot Air has Slick Willie defending the use of torture in the case of a "ticking bomb" scenario. Specifically, he supports the use of waterboarding, roughing up, drugs and any other method deemed necessary to get the terrorist to talk under interrogation.

And that sound you hear is the Democratic party screming about Clinton's endorsement of torture,

"...chirp....chirp...chirp..."

#27 Gordon

1. It was a mistake to begin with.

Valid point but it doesent mean anything beacuse we're there now. If not Iraq then what alternative course of action should have been taken. Invade Iran? N.Korea? Syria? or just do nothing. Its not good to knock someone elses plan if you dont have a better one.

2. The successful outcome possible was botched by the Bush administration

You are absolutely right Gordo. Bush's unwillingness to pacifiy the country early on has lead to the mess we're in today. Its not that this conflict has bee faught too visciously, it hasnt been fought visciouly enough. We had this very same terrorist problem in Germany after WW2 and trust me we dealt with it in a manner that the problem went away real fast.

3. Because Muslims are inherently evil, Iraq is ungovernable.
Well now thats just stupid, and actually the position of most leftist. The left belives that we shouldnt spread democracy in the middle east because arabs are genetically predispositioned to dictitorial authoritative forms of governance.

#42 Gordon

Kosovo-Mazikert: Comparing our now worthless war in Iraq with the crusade against Nazi Germany (not to mention our 40-year battle against Stalinism and its successors) is a sign of the blinkered unreality infecting this site and the entire right-wing blogosphere like antibiotic-resistant tuberculosis bacilli.

Tuberculosis bacilli? Is that your new word of the week? Didn't that wash off your wrist the last time you took a shower?
The next time your mom lets you out of the basement to use the Internet, find a new phrase, would ya? It's old.

#42 Gordon: Yes, the islamofascist Islamic Army of Iraq is nothing at all like the Nazis, are they? And Saddam bore not the slightest resemblance to Stalin, did he?

Never mind that, of course, Bush is the real enemy, we must make a common front with the head-choppers against Bush, etc. etc.

Asshat.

Yes it is always all about person X being "right" and person Y being "wrong" to the tolerant liberal mind.
Never mind the POINT, let's get to the blame.

Assigning Blame is a Gramscian sacrament.

...not to mention the ultimate liberal sacrament of "projection of intent":
I do this, I think this way, therefore that must be your MO too.....

arrogant, ignorant ass.

Bubonic frikkin Gordillius.

Does Nodrog think Fox should have run newsreels of Japanese propaganda films showing GIs being shot in the jungles of Guadalcanal, to show 'both sides'?

Don't blame Ted Turner. He Can't Pick Sides in the War on Terror.

This sort of thing is what post-modern moral relativism and multi-cultural transnational socialist brainwashing leads to, which is why I'm a post-modernist no more...

#27 Gordon

Because Muslims are inherently evil, Iraq is ungovernable

Hey Stupid! Check your lib Democrat handbook; You have just committed a hate crime!

#,27 Gordon. Please stop torturing us with your treasonous contorted irrationalities. You are worse than an Islamist amusing himself by practicing cranial surgery on captives with a Black and Decker variable speed drill with a dull bit. Your particular form of anal cephalic mental illness may not work much longer around here and you will not be a missed shitbird.

But wait a minute, why does everyone assume that CNN's decision to broadcast this will have the effect of helping the enemy? What if this only hardens people's hearts toward Islam because they see with their own eyes how evil these terrorists are?

Of course, I know that CNN is trash and hence we have no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt, however, I am not at all sure that this video will hurt our side and I think it may, in fact, help us.

CNN Lies.

Found the commercial about "Freedom" and "Free Checking" prior to the video disgustingly ironic.

You know, if CNN hadn't been hawkin for the palestinians all these years and hadn't ignored and paid as much attention what was really happening in Israel than they do about the war in Iraq, none of this would be happening.

That may sound confusing and I don't have time to edit, so my point is this.

I lived in Israel for more than 10 years. Most of them before FOX got there. CNN (international and domestic) would spend just a couple of minutes on what was going on is Israel and mostly in was anti-Israel.

You can't understand what's happening anywhere if you cover it for a couple of minutes.

I explain to people that here, in the US, CNN has (had) embedded "journalists" with the forces, they interview commaders and generals, cover all the press conferences, do special reports, interview soldiers in the field, and generally spend all their assets covering the war. In fact, CNN thrives on war.

In Israel it's the same thing, and you never see it on CNN or anywhere else. We would watch press conferences with defense ministers, Joint Chiefs, commanders, generals, intelligence analysts, most things that the IDF does is on video, interviews with soldiers who carried out the operation. If a suicide bomber was caught on the way with his belt, that was considered an attack (not relative quiet that would be reported on CNN), we got coverage on all the stabbings, shooting, hit and runs, drive by shootings, things that went under the Western media because there was no "special effects" like explosions. Hey, Israel has it's versions of meet the press, etc. Beleive me, more Israelis read newspapers, and start at an earlier age than the US (yes, and they're only 7 million of them!) Israelis are very well informed (which made it more annoying to hear the war-whores at CNN tell us what Israelis think). I recall watching an interview with the IDF spokeswoman who showed a night vision video of the IDF foiling an attack. They were clearly gunmen planting a bomb. It was reported on CNN that "Israel SAYS they were gunmen". The interviewer asked her, Why don't you make the video available for the foreign press? She answered that all the videos are available, but they CHOOSE not to use them.

So, back to my original point, CNN has perpetuated the jihad through their elitist and selective reporting.

Imagine, (and this is the case) that the world got it's info on the Iraq war and the US through 3 minute news broadcasts.

It's what they did to Israel for years, they're doing it now to the US.

Sorry about the rant, but CNN and BBC are the reasons that I have made Israel advocacy a central part of who I am.!

Pant pant pant. Must breathe!

Notice people like Gordo and the democrats bitch alot but offer no solutions?

#42 Gordon

... sign of the blinkered unreality infecting this site and the entire right-wing blogosphere like antibiotic-resistant tuberculosis bacilli.

But hey, attacking CNN is easier than admitting that you are WRONG, WRONG WRONG.

Hey, you're right Gordo! If Bush hadn't invaded Iraq, it would be a peaceful democratic nation of happy kite-flyers by now! And Iran wouldn't be building nukes, and Hezbollah would have dissarmed and gone off to fly kites, and Kim would have disbanded his gov't and peacefully re-united Korea in a happy democratic kite flying republic.

Yessiree indeedleedooo, Gordo!

#20 galloping granny

"I wonder how much they paid for it?"

Good question. And what do we suppose the Islamists did with the pay off?

#43 Kenneth:

They are able to do this because the Democrats, liberals and leftist condemn the US and give hope, encouragement & financial aid to the enemy

Extraordinarily unperceptive of you, Kenneth.

The primary reasons that the Islamocrazies are succeeding in Iraq are:

1. Shiites and Sunnis hate each other and have decided to kill each other with abandon - your unholy alliance of Iran and al qaeda is fantasy - their proxies are fighting each other in Iraq.

2. The Bush administration botched the reconstruction of Iraq - this is now universally admitted by all but those who believe in fantasy or are politically beholden to the Bush administration.

3. World Islam is going through it's "reformation" today - and unfortunately the Martin Luthers and John Calvins of Islam are found among al qaeda types.

So any attempt to tie the problems in Iraq to the Western Left is absolutely absurd.

But both you and Charles have no other answers. So you're trying to mine this angle - sort of like the "stab in the back" nonsense that the Nazis and German right-wingers used to describe German socialists during the Weimar Republic.

Gordon is right and wrong. Iraq is hopless but his reasons are wrong. He thinks it is becuase we are not "nice and loving". We are failing for several reasons:

(1) Muslims as a faith cannot accept freedom anymore then a communist can accept freedom. The faith is hopless so just accept that.

(2) Our generals are yes men and foolish. Their strategy makes no sense and breaks all the basic rules of strategy going back to Sun Tzu.

(3) Bush is really stupid. His advisors are either really stupid like him OR are out to enrich their bank accounts on the back of this nation. They are all clueless about Islam.

With all that said they are still better then the Dems. God help us we need a new political party and soon.

Perhaps a November surprise for CNN? The day after the elections someone in Congress decide to investigate whether or not CNN is being a treasonous mouthpiece and take a grand jury up CNN where the sun don't shine...

The low rent, hygine aversive, Austrailian, left wing shitbird that narrates an increasing amount of the CNN treason pieces, Michael Ware, should be flown in to be a target holder at this years Idaho Boomer Shoot.

CONSERVATIVES! GET OUT THERE AND VOTE!
The libs will be hitting the bong....

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Good work :)

CNN and the MSM will stop at nothing to make it look like our side is losing.

I guess they figure if they show the terrorists are winning-then dims have a better chance of winning in Nov.

*spit*

An example:

For months before the Camp David Accord BS, the intelligence community was informing everyone that Arafat had ordered the stockpiling of weapons, rocks, etc. They were screaming it from the roof tops. They would say "the 2nd intifada" is coming.

When it did happen (2 DAYS BEFORE SHARON WENT ON THE MOUNT!) Israel was prepared.

It was covered on CNN, etc, as if it was spontaneous, and the fact that Israel was ready made it look like they were coming down with an iron fist.

This continues today. The Israeli media reported for months that hizbALLAH was getting ready to attack. In fact, they tried and failed a few times. Of course no word from CNN.

Now it's happening in Gaza. The weapons smuggling, the hunkering down, all the preparations going on are all being ignored by CNN.

Then when the shit finally hits the fan, they'll act surprised that ISrael is acting during a period of relative quiet, or using some accuse or another.

#25 TotallyS

Sorry there :)

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#51 Lawhawk: Your "domino theory" logic is a bit outdated, don't you think?

In retrospect, the jihadis in Iraq would not be doing this if Saddam Hussein were still in power. Our invasion has enabled them in Iraq.

The question, of course, is whether such a result was doomed from the beginning, because of Iraq's ungovernability by any but ruthless despotic means, and the turmoil in the Islamic world caused by al qaeda and Iranian fundamentalism.

Or, alternatively, that Iraq could have been a success story, but was botched by the Bush Administration's incompetent post-invasion strategy.

Which do you think is true, Lawhawk?

NY Times Co. 3Q Profit Plunges 39%

The Times Co. said it earned $14 million, or 10 cents per share, compared with $23.1 milion, or 16 cents per share, in the third quarter of 2005.

Who watches CNN anyway?

Hello. I just got here. I won't watch it.

Damn CNN. Damn them damn them damn them.

don't they have mothers?

Have they ever dreaded the knock at the door?

Have they had their guts torn out by the phone call at midnight?

Do they go to sleep each night with the phone next to their pillow?

Do they close their eyes when the evening news comes on?

Do they have to smell their son's clothing on days they are crying?

Damn them damn them damn them to hell .. . .

#78
how about the " America First" party?

Gordo

I see finger pointing and whining,but like all the left..... no answers.

Where's the beef?

You revel in pointing out the problems but never offer any useful solutions.

You are like a whoopee cushion,lots of funny noise but you actually serve no useful purpose.

#35 venjanz

"The person, described as a 20-year-old man, did not appear to have any ties to terrorist groups, ... "

Somehow or another, they never do. How odd.

Note this video was credited to

Michael Ware

of this fame:

"Time magazine reporter Michael Ware gained exclusive access to the Iraqi insurgents, spending months with them for this week's cover story. Ware shared his experiences and observations Monday with CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien."

Just remember that Nation of Islam member Keith Ellison is going to win a Congressional seat in Minnesota-and become the first Black Muslim to set the pillars in the US for the Caliphate.

In Minneapolis, we are no better than the scared little sheep in the UK. An overwhelming amount of the electorate cares not about Anti-semitism or the radical history that Ellison represents. When you have a majority of Dhimmis ushering in the demise of their own freedoms...something is wrong.

I fear for the free world. In the battle of the strongest, The free nations care not one wit about making a stand. Gloom....Gloom...Gloom!

Time to get to the truth about Gordon and CNN. Get out the waterboard, time for some swimming lessons.

#91 mama winger
You have to believe that there is a special place in hell for people so reprehensible. Stay strong.

Let's count the posts between this one, and the answer...

So where do we go from here President Gordon? Let's hear the solutions...without using any hate speech toward another human being if possible.

Damn them damn them damn them to hell

Do they have packages and packages of beef jerky on the dining room table waiting to be sent overseas?

Do they know the exact postage rates?

Are they experts at filling out customs forms by now?

Do they check their emails 8 times a day?

Do they panic when their cell phone battery runs low at work?

Do they cry when college football season rolls around and their son isn't in the game?

Have they sat down to Thanksgiving dinner and thrown away plate loads of food because of the empty chair?

Damn them damn them damn them to hell

It is about time to put the Islamist tool, Michael Ware in the cross hairs.

Gordon, see my #60

You get a kick out of that too Gordon?

You and yours can go to hell as well.

One wonders how CNN would feel if someone replayed over and over agian a video of one of their reporters being kill ?

Of having their families watch it over and over again.

Or would that also be news ?

#75 Kenneth

:) !

TreasonMedia. I don't call them that for nothing.

#27 Gordon

2 and 3 are right. The Bush administration was too PC to take advantage of the USA's foothold in Iraq to Christianize or even just secularize it.

But what could we expect? The same administration changed the name, "Operation Infinite Justice" to "Operating Enduring Freedom" to appease the protest of Muslims arguing only Allah could dispense infinite justice. Had it been like that in WWII, a few complaints from the enemy to the effect that only Der Führer could be called "overlord" would have gotten the name of the Normandy Landing operation changed.

First things first: fire all Sixties kids from their positions of power!

Attack of the Black Blobs

THIS IS CNN

Buckeye Abroad (#90),

NY Times Co. 3Q Profit Plunges 39%

So it goes for the old stream who thought they could/can keep BSing us as news.

NBC 'Slashing its News Budget'

NBC Universal plans to cut US$750 million in operating expenses by the end of 2007 by eliminating employees, cutting back on scripted shows, and slashing its news budget, according to a report Thursday in the Wall Street Journal.

Sniper skillz? Meh, jihadis can't do it half as good as us

Guarantee we're winning the sniper wars, though you'd never hear CNN mention that (unless, of course, it's to portray the cruel Americans killing poor, defenseless jihadis)

Is gordon actually here?

Gordon, who do you side with? America or jihad?

My letter to CNN

Regarding the Islamic Death Porn Video which you've perported to be a "story that needs telling". I say. "Why help our enemies the Islamic-Fascists any more than you already are?" I hope when we loose the war on terror because of your news agency and others like it, you will remember all of the vitriolic amo you have given to our enemy. No doubt you'll call me a "Chicken-Hawk" or another krank. But don't you think you should at least step back and realize that you are a citizen of the United States of America?

You are not a citizen of the world, to think so would be haughty, and elitest.

Well, the little people who play by the rules and work each day at creative and productive companies, don't have the luxury of your mountain-top view. I think when you count up your ratings, you will see them dwindle. After all Al-Jazera already has the market you're trying to capture.

#100 tfk

NBC is just trying to make the economy look bad (we had to lay off people,the economy sucks) so their shills from the left will have a better chance to bamboozle the electorate.

If that were my son they were showing, I would go insane. Literally. Down a black hole.

Who are these ghouls? Gordon's friends that's who. Democrats, that's who. People who want to take over this country, that's who.

For those who say they are going to sit this election out, fuck off.

"CNN believes the story -shocking as it is- needs to be told."

As if you haven't been hammering into everyone's skulls for years.

Kepler2007

The faith is hopless so just accept that (snippet)

Beer-less, too....

Any religion against beer is a menace to humanity.

There is a point beyond which reporting is no longer free speech but actually advocacy and abetting of enemy efforts.

This type of reporting is pure treason and those behind it should be prosecuted and punished severely.

This is like shouting fire in a crowded theatre. It is intended to weaken our resolve the fight our enemies.

Where are the videos of our soldiers killing the insurgents or blasting them to smithereens?

Anyone who knows the legal channels to initiate treason charges should actively pursue this path.

They just now discovered that terrorist video tape their attacks?

This shit has been going on with the hizbo's for years and years.

What are the chances that the camera man was a CNN stringer?

Mohamed cartoons bad, our soldiers being sniped good. Whats next CNN, head chopping videos?

Somebody please assure me that Ted Turner and Hanoi Jane did not procreate? I know Ted is out at CNN but given his recent comments, and Janes track record the only result of their inbreeding would be Cindy Sheehan clone. I know I am lashing out people who no longer have any direct influence at CNN but if I posted what I really wanted to say and how I really felt I would probably wind up in a British jail.
/pass the blood pressure medicine

This could have been one of them sniper rifles used on that propaganda piece

Camp Habbaniyah, Iraq - Scout snipers from 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment killed an enemy sniper and recovered a Marine sniper rifle lost nearly two years ago during a mission near Habbaniyah June 16.

The rifle was the one formerly used by four Marines of 2nd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment who were killed on a rooftop in Ramadi June 21, 2004.

Sniper Section Four was in a hide when the spotter observed a military-aged male inside a nearby parked car videotaping a passing patrol of amphibious assault vehicles. The Marines saw a rifle stock by the insurgent’s side...

Did Anderson Cooper show this footage on CNN, I doubted it.
How can anyone trust a TV host that has a picture of Baby Assad hanging in his office wall?

UBL has stated that Iraq is the central front in the war...

CNN just aided and abetted UBL.

At this point, the only thing that has a chance of working in Iraq is either:

1. Put about a million U.S. troops into the country (we'll need a draft - unless TFK and his ilk will volunteer and the U.S. government waives the syphilis test) - and put a general in charge who has extensively studied why we failed in Vietnam and has a strategy for success.

2. Pull out of the country entirely and actively support the faction that is going to win (probably the Shiites) as they brutalize their opponents and eventually come out on top after a civil war. But I would still support the Kurds - perhaps recognize them as an independent state.

#91 & #102 mama winger

Here's how the powers to be @CNN relate: Report stories about how Bush's twin daughters are not serving blad blah blah .. don't report how their own family members are not only not serving ... but standing against those who do serve.

Know this: All who serve are in my heart with continual prayer .. and so are their families .. especially the moms, mama winger.

Ok Gordon lets cut the crap. Small minds only attack ideas without offering thier own solutions so tell us whats your idea for going forward from here. Dont tell me what we should have done yesterday, in an attempt to impress me with your 20/20 hindsight . Tell me what we should do about tomorrow.

Why doesn't the Bush Administration march down there and pull that video, and forbid it to be shown?

Can someone please post a list of the advertisers?

This is war....and I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

Backbone Republicans Unite

They just now discovered that terrorist video tape their attacks?

They act as if this tactic is new.

It reminds me of their ridiculous report after the attack (or how CNN would report- when the trains blew up) in London, that terrorists were using a "NEW" technique- setting off bombs with cell phones, even though it had been going on for years and years in Israel.

And, once again, to get back on topic, blaming CNN for reporting on this is a classic case of shooting the messenger.

Which is the only answer Charles has for Iraq.

Right, Charles?

What do you think we should do in Iraq, Charles? Let the lizardoid legions know!

#114 Ben Hur

"Is gordon actually here?"

Are you asking if he's from Planet Earth? I've wondered too.

I'm off to play!

I wonder if CNN did what Rueters did.

Have a reporter stage the attacks.

Can see it now a CNN reporter passing on info about a US soldier standing guard nearby to a terrorists all to get the "Shot"

The evolution of CNN:

Communist News Network

Clinton News Network

CAIR News Network

Caliphate News Network

Chopped-heads News Network [off air]

This is the CNN that DID not report atrocities in Iraq under Sadamn, less they lose their office space in Baghdad? This is the CNN that would not show videos of people diving off the WTC instead of burning to death, cause it was too graphic. I get it.

And Gordon, we can reserve a ring-side seat for you after the evil USA pulls out of Iraq. You can gleefully masturbate as they re-imprison little kids, rape little girls in front of their parents, and kill anyone that tried to form a democratic government. Maybe you can even help? Nah, that would actually take guts.

everyone should send CNN feedback on this FWIW

This war was sold to us by Cheney, the CEO of Haliburton now making obscene no-bid war profits, who told us we would be greeted as liberators. Yet when CNN shows the truth on the ground, it's treasonous propaganda?

#129 Daisy

Thank you for your kindness. I appreciate it. I'm about to blow a vein here, as might be evident from my posts :)

Gordon says:

At this point, the only thing that has a chance of working in Iraq is either:

Fergodsake Gordon. You've been posting here for how long and you still try to play this false choice bullshit?

I always find it enteratining that people think in order for the war in Iraq to be successfull we have to have a government in place in Iraq that looks like Washington DC.

The war is already successfull. We set out to put Saddam out of business for the best interest of the world (in spite of wheenie Europe) and our own security. It should have been done by the UN decades ago but they are too cowardly and corrupt to do so. Now it's done.

We are being gracious and helping Iraq set up a ruling government that may be able to take care of itself. Whether it does or not is not our problem. Iraq will have peace when Iraqis (and their suicidal neighbors who are cutting in)decide to stop killing themselves and others. Until then, we keep the defenses strong, and help where and when we can.

But, the Iraq war is a success. Saddam is gone. We can freely search for WMDs without stupid games, we know now who our real "friends" are, and Iraq has a shot at real feedom. Mission accomplished.

#128 nodrog

1. Put about a million U.S. troops into the country (we'll need a draft - unless TFK and his ilk will volunteer and the U.S. government waives the syphilis test) - and put a general in charge who has extensively studied why we failed in Vietnam and has a strategy for success.

In order to say we failed from a military standpoint I would need an example of a battle that we lost. Vietnam was not a military failure, but rather just like today a failure of Americans to grow a spine and call a spade a spade.

2. Pull out of the country entirely and actively support the faction that is going to win (probably the Shiites) as they brutalize their opponents and eventually come out on top after a civil war. But I would still support the Kurds - perhaps recognize them as an independent state.

We could pull out and turn the entire ME into a glass parking lot also. Think that would Ahmadinnerjacket up and get the attention of Kim Dung Heap in N Korea?

#139 amused

When you have a son over there, then maybe, just maybe, I will listen to you talking about showing the deaths of our boys on tape as 'truth on the ground'. Or better yet, go in their place asswipe.

Black George Bush.

See # 128.

#128 Gordon,

On those two points, I agree with you completely.

By the way, even if you often come across as an ass (LOL), thank you for coming here, stirring the pot and sticking around after you do it. Your complaints and fighting are of more value than the name-calling posts you elicit.

'sumatta Gornad? Your little winkie too sore to pull?

#120 Greg

Any religion against beer is a menace to humanity.

Beer has been around for nearly 10,000 years. Islam, like a thirsty dinosaur, is nearing extinction.
History of Beer

#133 Gordon 10/19/2006 09:38AM PDT
And, once again, to get back on topic, blaming CNN for reporting on this is a classic case of shooting the messenger.

Which is the only answer Charles has for Iraq.

Right, Charles?

What do you think we should do in Iraq, Charles? Let the lizardoid legions know!

Are you really this retarded Gordon or do you just act this way?

#137 jehu

This is the CNN that DID not report atrocities in Iraq under Sadamn, less they lose their office space in Baghdad? This is the CNN that would not show videos of people diving off the WTC instead of burning to death, cause it was too graphic. I get it.

I get it too.

#142 alpheus: Your post has some logic to it.

And, if it's true, there's no need for U.S. soldiers to be there any more.

#139 amused 10/19/2006 09:38AM PDT
This war was sold to us by Cheney, the CEO of Haliburton now making obscene no-bid war profits, who told us we would be greeted as liberators. Yet when CNN shows the truth on the ground, it's treasonous propaganda?

Yes, its treasonous. Glad you agree

#77 Gordon,

1. Shiites and Sunnis hate each other and have decided to kill each other with abandon - your unholy alliance of Iran and al qaeda is fantasy - their proxies are fighting each other in Iraq.

2. The Bush administration botched the reconstruction of Iraq - this is now universally admitted by all but those who believe in fantasy or are politically beholden to the Bush administration.

3. World Islam is going through it's "reformation" today - and unfortunately the Martin Luthers and John Calvins of Islam are found among al qaeda types.

So what's your answer? I'll start with premis one. If they were going to fight it out, I'd rather they be killing each other in Baghdad than in NYC. And I'd rather they be killing each other than Americans. This seems like a feature, not a bug.

These folks didn't spring from Saddam's forehead when we invaded Iraq, and they aren't likely to go away if we leave. Where do you want to fight them?

Your second point is specious. We're in Iraq now, things haven't gone as good as we might have hoped, but they also haven't been nearly as bad as they could have or you'd like to pretend. That said, how would you change what we are doing now, and how do you think it would make things better?

If your third point is correct, then there is little hope for Islam to survive the 21^st Century. Where should we hit first, and how hard should we hit?

amused (#139),

This war was sold to us by Cheney, the CEO of Haliburton now making obscene no-bid war profits, who told us we would be greeted as liberators. Yet when CNN shows the truth on the ground, it's treasonous propaganda?

Please tell me you're making a subtle play at Lefty illogic.

#77 Gordon

World Islam is going through it's "reformation" today - and unfortunately the Martin Luthers and John Calvins of Islam are found among al qaeda types.

I would love to quote you on this, and make sure I understand you correctly.

Are you calling Martin Luther and John Calvin "al qaeda types", as in terroists? Are you stating that moral equivilance?

#128 Gordon
You address my points in your #128 post. So never mind. :)

My solutions,
1. Surround the Suni triangle, leaflet the area and give the residence 72 hours to get out before we B52 the hell out of the area. Roll in afterwards with tanks and troops tosearch for weapons.

2. Increase troop levels incountry and redeploy to the Syrian, Iranian and Saudi borders killing anything crossing that border that larger than a cat.

3. In conjunction with step #2, order Iraqi forces to clear out Baghdad with US air support.

4. Go home.

Also, CNN still sucks.

It takes real nerve to mis-report basically everything else on the planet (what's the estimate again, that nine out of ten Jihad incidents never make the papers?) but when it comes time to show how successful the enemy is at capping our troops, "the story must be told". Do I smell an election coming up?

Somebody who's watched the video, please tell me - did it have the usual raham-didi-dam "music" soundtrack?

Who will be surprised when, in about 7 to 10 days, North Korea conducts another nuke test and within hours, Iran and Syria provoke a crises in the Middle East of significant if not spectacular proportions in order to influence voter sentiment in the congressional elections. CNN and the rest of the MSM likely have the stories pre-written like a obituary waiting for a corpse. The only question is: will they be as successful at fooling their audience as L'il Kim has been with his citizens? Have they forgotten who pays the bills?

#155 Geepers

Amused asswipe has made similar statements before.

DAMMIT Gordon explain this to me then

WHAT IN THE HELL DOES ISLAMIC MILITANTS MURDERING US TROOPS AND IT BEING DISPLAYED ON US TV HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR HATE OF GW ?

Liberals really need to clarify this. I have no problem with them arguing that Bush made a mistake and Iraq is a costly war.

That said how in the hell can you JUSTIFY showing the murder of US troops JUST to make a political point ?

you and other liberals use our dead troops for propaganda purposes. Your no differnt then Al Queda in that matter.

When AL Queda makes a clip to show its killing US troops we shouldnt play into their propaganda game. Yet liberals and Democrats rush in the do that very same thing !

This kind of logic gives me the right to question anyones patriotism. It doesnt matter if you agree or disagree with IRaq in NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you be doing the enemys propaganda for him.

IF you hate Bush fine vote agianst him or republicans. But dont you damn well abuse your right to speak freely by arguing that its a good thing to see those fighting to protect your right to speak freely.

Thats just absolutely disgusting.

#161 Bill Amos

*cheering*

#39 Amused

This war was sold to us by Cheney, the CEO of Haliburton now making obscene no-bid war profits, who told us we would be greeted as liberators. Yet when CNN shows the truth on the ground, it's treasonous propaganda

?

We were greeted as liberators. CNN won't show it to you, but we were. They were glad to get rid of Saddam and his wacky killer sons. What you see now is Iraq deciding what kind of country it wants to be; democratic or dictatorship. CNN HAS NOT SHOWN THE TRUTH ON THE GROUND. If all the death, destruction and hopelessness that they pretend were actually the case, every soldier we have in Iraq would be dead already. They are treasonous because it is a deliberate attempt by them not to show you everything that is really going on there, which you demonstrate you are not getting. That's why. You are our own best evidence.

Make sure youu let them know how you feel about the video and the youru opinion on the war:

Opinion

#154: I'll start with premis one. If they were going to fight it out, I'd rather they be killing each other in Baghdad than in NYC. And I'd rather they be killing each other than Americans. This seems like a feature, not a bug.

LOL

Stan hates to be mocked.

Yes, we were liberators. Our friends "dealt with" the terrorist training camp in Northern iraq. When they were finished, they traveled to the local town, and were greeted with food, and flowers and other small gifts.

Former Al-CNN leader Ted Turner released his coded message just last week, when he said he couldn't decide which side he was on.

That activated the sleeper cells at CNN to begin airing the propaganda of their Islamofascist comrades, egged on by a gleeful cabal of anarchists, Democrats, and the leftwing consortium now known as Big Poll.

Don't let Big Poll stick it to you this November.

gORDON IS a typical liberal....he can't justify or prove anything. always accusing everyone else of being wrong. hahahaha...whatever..

i try...TRY to ignore it.

FYI - registration at Hot Air is open now for a short time, in case anyone has been waiting to register there.

gymnast (#159),

The troops in Iraq think there's a connection in the violence:

'Today': Terrorists Attempting To Influence US Elections With Current Violence Wave

At the end of his report on this morning's 'Today' on the situation in Iraq, having spoken with US soliders, Engel reported:

"They believe insurgents are intensifying attacks against American soldiers now in an attempt to influence November's mid-term elections."

Shouldn't it give Americans pause to consider that in the eyes of our men on the ground, our enemy wants to see the Democrats take power?

#133 Gordon

[...] blaming CNN for reporting on this is a classic case of shooting the messenger.

Which, in our current situation, is just about what needs to be done if we are to win this war!

(Metaphorically, just like Gordon's usage of that phrase was, of course.)

Adding to this sniper footage there is the fact that these video were made about a year to 18 months ago. There was a sharp rise in soldiers being killed versus wounded by snipers in Iraq starting in Jan 2006 thru about Mar 2006 because of information supplied to them by Madame Clinton and Senor Murtha. In Sep or Oct of '05 they held a little press briefing up on Capitol hill complaining about the body armor our troops had and right there on the easel next to them was a blown up picture of a soldier wearing the current body armor and highlighted in big red circles were the vulnerable areas. The enemy snipers know have information on the proper aiming points, deaths increase due to snipers, Clinton, Murtha and the rest of the Dems can then take to the public and say "See we told ya so".
You want other examples. Some soldiers from the 3 ID discovered that certain controls for remote controlled toys were being used to trigger roadside bombs. They determined what the frequency spectrum was and developed a device to mount on the dash of the HMMV's to jam that frequency range and it either caused the bombs to detonate prematurely or not detonate at all. That is until ABC and Brian Ross did a special on tv about it. It was the same one that threw out the fact that the current armor on HMMV's could withstand blast from about 30 lbs of explosive. Result IED's got bigger and they saw the emergence of the shaped charges being imported from Iran.
What I am saying is that our media have provided most of the information to the enemy which allows them to fight us which then gives them the next headline about how bad it is going.
Yeah I know everybody wants links and I will attempt to work them in in between doing my real job.

#97 Peace At Costs

Please check your inbox

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Can't vouch for this in any way, but some people might find it an interesting/useful graphic:

Map of the World's Religions

In response to Gordon, and in all fairness as I demanded a solution, I will provide my side...

It is my firm belief that more is being accomplished in Iraq than is being reported. As with any news, bad news trumps good news any day. I don't care what network we're talking about the first 45 minutes is all about the crap. Even local news starts with the murders and fatal car wrecks. It is what makes people watch.

Solution? Get some positive media coverage flowing as to our accomplishments, rally people in support.

If Republicans spent as much time making videos, demonstrating, and publicly stating their opinions as the Dems do, then there may be a different perspective. The true issue that I have today is that I feel as though my party, the Republicans, are not as passionate as the Democrats. We are quick to call them communists, moonbats, loonies, etc for speaking their opinions...but guess what...that is what America hears. They watch tripe like "Loose Change" and believe it, in part because there is no "Loose Change Debunked" video that is being as heavily marketed and promoted. And the few that I've seen are just full of insults.

So my "solution" is to keep fighting...tooth and nail...every day until something changes. But also, hire a friggin' marketing department that will go over there and show the positives that ARE happening. Then bring the stories back and broadcast them on national news EVERY DAY. And if a new network has to be formed, then so be it. The "rich Republicans" can afford it. How about LGF TV?

Yes the bold & courageous CNN airing the killing of a US Soldier. Yet they refuse to air the planes crashing into WTC (too graphic - doesn't suit their politiacl agenda).

Let's see the yellow bastards show the MOMO cartoon gallery. Then we'll talk about bold journalism.

But that would offend their allies.

CNN's sniping is "The Enemy at the Gates". Are they suggesting that the American situation in Iraq is similar to that of the Germans at Stalingrad? I cannot imagine that CNN is doing anything other than serving as a slick conduit for crude enemy propaganda in order to influence the outcome of the coming elections.

I won't watch that video.

I would say shame on CNN, but since they have no shame what is the use.

BTW, it stinks in here.

Umm...

I don't quite get this. Was it not on LGF that many people have advocated showing MORE material wherein Americans were killed in 9/11? I presume the rationale (with which I agree) is that if Americans get an unsentimental in-your-face look at the reality of what Islamists are doing to US citizens then this will strengthen national resolve and determination to destroy the foe.

So how is this different? Why would this sniper video not arouse similar anger in Americans, along with a renewed resolve to hunt down and kill these animals wherever they may be, world-wide?

I know there are some differences, but 9/11 videos showing the people falling from towers etc. could just as easily be considered propaganda fodder by the evil Islamists as this sniper video.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the execrable CNN, I'm just curious as to why there is such a disparity in reaction to the two types of video...

#173 Just a Grunt

Yeah I know everybody wants links and I will attempt to work them in in between doing my real job.

You have a job? . . . Another rich republican :)

The Boston Globe's circulation is going down....down.....down.

BWAAHAHAHAHAHA

The Globe's newspaper circulation, like that of most newspapers, has been declining. Circulation was more than 397,000 on weekdays and 604,000 on Sundays as of March 31, compared with more than 434,000 weekdays and nearly 673,000 Sundays as of March 31, 2005.

For Amused and Gordon and all the human lice infesting this great country:

Under Sadamn more than 300,000 Iraqi's were tortured, killed and buried in mass graves. Under Sadamn a war was started with Iran where more than 1 million perished. Sadamn's sons cruised the streets of Baghdad, snatching any young women they desired, any protest and families were tortured and killed.

Under Sadamn they had a room with many pipes with small holes. They would drip acid randomly on a naked prisoner, so they could never sleep, their bodies covered with bleeding wounds. When a town of marsh Arabs rebelled, Sadamn had the entire town (hundreds) layed down on the ground and they were asphalted over alive. Sadamn's sons put enemies into industrial shredders feet first so they could enjoy the screaming longer.

Not to mention gassing of thousands of Kurds, and endless atrocities that would fill books.

Bush liberates the country, yet you imagine Bush a facist, but I remember the picture of crying Marines as they freed little children from dungeons. Of the parents weeping hysterically as they came to claim their kids. I remember a whole nations voting twice in definace of death merchants, with more courage in their purple fingers than in the bowels of all the Gordon's of this country. Venal evil men, petty in your hatred of those far better than you. Eager to damn millions to another era of torture and prisons, just so you can gloat and say, "I was right."

And now as American soldiers die you use it as a club to beat the hated Bush, when at the saem time you would spit upon these same soldiers caring nothing for what they believed or for why they die.

I pray that a day comes that you who hate liberty and deny it to others, lose your liberty and freedom. For you are the most unworthy of this great gift given to you by a God you do not honor or love, by men who bleed blood you spit upon daily in all your lies and hatred of men that through time stood for something besides their immediate gratification and lust for power.

All you claim for Bush and conservatives is sheer projection, it is you who are the tyrants, the facists, the haters of freedom or freedom of speech. You yearn for a tyranical religion to truimph, soley because you hate a religion that preaches personal morality and responsibility.

The Bible was accurate when it said in the Last Days men would come that were haters of God, of good, rebellious, haters of authority, unrighteous, unloving, unforgiven, revilers. Men debased in all ways, and in all their thoughts.

#180 Pro-Bush Canuck

My immediate reaction would be to say that the swift and sudden disposal of all video concerning 9-11 was designed I believe to minimize the event, to purposely obscure facts, and to placate the population into making us feel that everything was really OK, when it surely is not. That the threat was a one-time thing, and no need to be fearful of it happening again. It was an act of subduing the population so they would not fight back. I believe the CNN footage is also used to convince us not to fight back. Not opposite, but rather the same objective.

Made me sick reading the account..

>>>>"People are around them," warns the spotter, who seems to be operating the video camera. "Want me to find another place?"

"No, no," comes the reply, "give me a moment."

And then, the crack of gunfire is heard and the soldier in the turret slumps forward.

"Allahu Akbar (God is Great)!" is the exclamation as the sniper's vehicle starts and they slip away.

The text on the main CNN.com page, accompanied by a color photo, is even more damning:

UPDATED: 12:27 p.m. EDT, October 19, 2006

[PHOTO OF ISLAMIC TERRORIST VIEW OF US TROOPS]

CNN has obtained graphic video from the Islamic Army of Iraq [name of terrorist group not in quotes], one of the most active insurgent organizations in Iraq, showing its sniper teams targeting U.S. troops.  The Islamist Army [no quotes for name of terrorist group, and CNN substitutes "Islamist" for Islamic] says it wants talks with the United States and some Islamist Internet postings call for a P.R. campaign aimed at influencing the American public. [And CNN is happy to oblige.]  The video is disturbing to watch but CNN believes the story, shocking as it is, needs to be told.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

My comments added in [brackets].
 

9/11 is viewed as helpful to Bush by MSM. Soldiers dying is viewed as helpful to Dems by MSM.

The best thing the Dem/MSM daisy chain could hope for is the slaughter of 300 or so troops TODAY. It would set back the Iraq war effort and could be played to destroy the Bush Admin. The Dems would dive in like pigs in shit.

Gordon, so what is your experience in military planning? How long have you been in the military? I mean, besides CNN videos, you draw most of your claims from........inside information? The news? You must have have an inside to declare everything that you are declaring. Do you live in Iraq?

You seem to feel very solid on your assumptions/solutions in regards to everything that has failed and everything that needs to be done. So are you really an experienced, viable source for information? Or are you just arm-chairing?

Are you typing all of this while on a college campus?

"Allahu Akbar (God is Great)!"

Incorrect translation.

Allahu Akbar = Allah is Greatest
 

If you watch the video all the way through it automatically takes you to the next one. "What might that be?", you say. Why, it's the "Iraq Strategy Failure?" video that actually shows the soldiers being shot and lying on the ground. This leaves no doubt about the fact that CNN is entrenched with our enemy in the propaganda war against us.

Bastards.

#89 gordon:

Sorry, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with my logic. The jihadis were being trained in Iraq from before 2003, and flocked there in droves because a loss in the heart of the Middle East to the US would be a dagger through the heart of the jihadi and Islamist ideology, which includes the formation/restoration of a caliphate across the world.

Saddam's backing of jihadis and terrorists is well documented if you bother to check. Eliminating him eliminated one source of funding, but not the only one. Three other sources of that funding are right next to Iraq - Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Dealing with them is inevitable and must be done.

Iran doesn't want a free Iraq on its borders because of its own economic and social issues. The mullahs have been seeking nuclear weapons for years now, helped by AQ Khan, and their enemies include not only Israel and the US, but all the Sunni nations in the Middle East. They continue to operate to destabilize regimes in the region through their proxy military in Hizbullah.

So, as to your question of what has gone wrong with Iraq, I'd posit that it was a combination of not employing enough force against the Sadrists at the outset, not having enough of the right kind of troops (MP, civil affairs, and special forces - the number of troops overall may or may not have been right, but the mix of troops appears to have been wrong), and watching Democrats at home undermine the US official policy at every turn by giving jihadis hope that their salvation will come every other year during election season. Cutting and running gives the jihadis hope and provides the aid and comfort of time. They can simply outlast the US committment to Iraq, and deal the fatal blow when the US withdraws and loses interest in supporting a nascent democratic regime.

#175 nonic 10/19/2006 09:54AM PDT
Map of world's religions

Man, when I saw that map, I saw a moving image in my head of the green growing up into Spain, France and Italy from the south. Sad.

#171, geepers. Just the other day My Man, the Reverend Al was sayin' "If I could get CNN and the rest of the MSM to support me like they do them Qaidites, I would be the next President of the US"

I told Al that he should hire some of those Al Rukan prison Muslims for bodyguards like Jesse Jackson has and maybe the MSM would show more respect.

Hey, gordo talk to any family members of gassed kurds lately or the relatives in the rape rooms or relatives of the 300,000 mass grave victims and so on. And of course saddam was'nt interested in reconstituting his nuclear program or had no relationship with terrorists, did'nt harbor mass murderers or pay their families 25k to murder men, woman and children. Saddam was a swell guy who we had boxed in.lol Ever heard of the Oil-for-Food scandal.

The real enemy is Georgemchitler he is christian and talks to God for guidance. If only liberals would keep their word and move to Canada. OOPs sorry my Canadian brothers and sisters.

usajihad

p.s. jihad means peace and kumbaya to all free men and woman.lol

I don't have time to read the whole thread, but has Gordo come here calling people chickenhawks again?

An invisibility cloak that works in the microwave region of the electromagnetic spectrum has been unveiled by researchers in the US. The device is the first practical version of a theoretical set-up first suggested in a paper published earlier in 2006.

The cloak works by steering microwave light around an object, making it appear to an observer as if it were not there at all. Materials that bend light in this way do not exist naturally, so have to be engineered with the necessary optical properties

Working invisibility cloak created at last

....that's why you can't see me ;~P

I don't get it. Why are most posters eventually banned for personal attacks and excessive flaming, but Gordon(s) get(s) a pass?
I've been around here for four years now. Enough is enough!

So what's your answer for Iraq, Charles?

The more intelligent among Lizard Nation have come forward with their porposed solutions. I may not agree with them, but at least they've gotten beyond the "shoot the messenger" mentality you continue to display.

Are you afraid of something?

Hey Gordon...

#128 Gordon

and put a general in charge who has extensively studied why we failed in Vietnam and has a strategy for success.

We, the US Armed Forces, did not fail in Vietnam, you and your ilk did. After Tet '68, the North was all but defeated, but pansy assed liberals, media, the president himself and antiwar nutjobs (Kerry), surrendered to the enemy.

"Let us understand: North Vietnam cannot defeat or humiliate the United States. Only Americans can do that."
Richard M. Nixon, television broadcast, 3 Nov. 1969

183 jehu -

If there is a hall of fame for blog posts, your post has my vote. Why can't our politicians speak this way? Your post is what needs to be said publicly in response to society today. I truly advocate a new news network that will have reporters with the talent for expressing opinions so eloquently, and that will call it like it is.

#139 Amused

That Halliburton argument is so '03 that CNN won't even report it anymore. It's been proven wrong on so many levels, yet even after KB&R lost money on the contracts that only 2 companies in the world could do, mental deficients like yourself still trot it out in a research-heavy group like this?

You Sir, are morally insane.

#152 Gordon,

#142 alpheus: Your post has some logic to it.

And, if it's true, there's no need for U.S. soldiers to be there any more.

We are still there because we are a fair nation. The Iraqis that have been elected by the people are not yet ready to be able to defend themselves from those who would seek the collapse of the elected government and society in genereal. We are nearing the end, but you can not allow yourself to faint.
We are in the closing stages. They will need to get an army and a police force in place. They will also need to feel what democracy feels like for a while so they can make an educated choice between that and dictatorship. Once this is done, all our people will be coming home.

#199 Gordon 10/19/2006 10:12AM PDT
So what's your answer for Iraq, Charles?

The more intelligent among Lizard Nation have come forward with their porposed solutions. I may not agree with them, but at least they've gotten beyond the "shoot the messenger" mentality you continue to display.

Are you afraid of something?

Are you afraid to say which side you are on; Jihad or America? Which is it?

#199 Gordon

I don't know if you've noticed, but Charles's pattern is to post topics and news for discussion. I have rarely seen him post comments, and I have been around here for a while as have you.

So what are you hanging around here trying to prove? That he won't answer your question? I've asked some too and he's never answered mine either.

That's about all you and I have in common.

#180

The difference for me is a that 9/11 videos show what was "done", and there is no way to undo what has been done there.

The sniper video is showing someone killing American soldiers who is still at large. The media has embedded themselves and aligned themselves with terrorists for sake of getting a story. Will they give any information as to their sources so as to help capture the snipers or insurgents. Heck no! They want to protect these people in the name of free press. Not to mention the propoganda message is opposite that of 9/11.

We showed 9/11 footage with the message, "Ok, you did this to us, now we are coming to get you!"

This sniper footage sends a message that says, "See, they're picking us off one by one and there is nothing we can do about it"

For this to be redeeming for CNN, they would have to run a follow up story about how their source led to the capture and/or killing of the shown perp. Won't happen.

Huge difference between the 2. IMO

It's true.

NODROG HAS BEEN OUTED.

#195 usajihad: Stalin killed tens of millions, but we didn't start World War III and destroy the world to end his tyranny. In fact, we worked with him to defeat a worse totalitarian tyrant.

No, we waited out the Soviets in the Cold War. Tens of millions died before the evil Soviet system collapsed.

Using your logic, the world would have been vaporized in a nuclear holocaust around 1952, in order to end Soviet tyranny.

The video does and should make us more angry...

However, it is all about the CONTEXT of the way it is being presented...

CNN is presenting it as showing that these guys have our number... We have to get out, it's the only way to save our troops...

If we had no remorse in level Iraqi towns, killing that fat bastard Al Sadr and exposing the Iranian influence, this 'insurgency' would be long over with...

Red Ted made noises a few years ago that CNN reports in the manner that they because they see themselves as a Global/International News body.

If this is the case then the White House needs to reclassify them as such.

This would take them out of the premo seats at press conferences and put them in the pool with the rest of the foreign press.

When they scream, shove their own words down their throats that is what a REAL cowboy would do.

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Is this thread "where's gordan?"

Your assuming gordon that Russia doesnt still have Nuclear weapons or that they arent still aimed at the US.

So your nuclear holocost can still happen

BTW right after WWII we had the bomb and Stalin didnt. We ignored his murders then and it brought about the Cold War and many more deaths.

Your right we should have gotten rid of Stalin when he didnt have the bomb. Like Bush did with Saddam.

So you just proved that the Invasion of Iraq was a good thing.

They won't show videos of Americans jumping from the twin towers because it might inflame the populace, but they'll cheerfully show propaganda videos of American soldiers being killed by brave jihadis. "Disgusting" is the least of the words that apply.

I've hung out with American snipers, and none of them would consent to the making of such a video. They never brag about their missions, it's a necessary job that they take pride in doing well, but not in having to do it. The video clearly shows the moral difference between the two sides.

Islam is a religion that brings hope and comfort to more than a billion people around the world. It has transcended racial and ethnic divisions. It has given birth to a rich culture of learning and literature and science...
...Ramadan is the holiest month in the Muslim calendar. For Muslims in America and around the world, Ramadan is a special time of prayer and fasting, contemplation of God's greatness, and charity and service to those in need. And for people of all faiths, it is a good time to reflect on the values we hold in common, including love of family, gratitude to God, the importance of community, and a commitment to tolerance and religious freedom."President Bush

He is joking right?....

Attacks in Baghdad rose by 22 percent in first three weeks of Ramadan

The love in Islam...

Pakistani Christian woman accused of blasphemy amid land dispute
The second example in as many days of blasphemy charges being leveled against unbelievers in order to gain an upper hand in personal disputes -- in this case, for insulting the Ka'ba

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

#183
#202

Seriously great post. You've got my vote as well.

Nodrog - any response to 183?

#201 Marine Grunt:

After Tet '68, the North was all but defeated

Then why, Mr. Grunt, did General Westmoreland demand several hundred thousand more troops, if the N. Viets were toast? His demand was what led Lyndon Johnson to realize that Vietnam was a bottomless pit, especially using General Westmoreland's failed tactics.

And all of the repugnant "stab in the back" rhetoric that your post symbolizes won't change that fact.

At what point do we start bringing treason charges against people who are clearly aiding our enemies? Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution states, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

CNN, in this case, clearly seems to be helping to distribute propoganda videos produced by our enemy. This to me seems to go far beyond the pale. It is one thing to disagree with the policies of your government. It is quite another to express that disagreement by aiding the enemy.

209 Gordon

No, we waited out the Soviets in the Cold War. Tens of millions died before the evil Soviet system collapsed.

We?! Your ilk was hating Reagan who DEFEATED the Soviets, go jerk off somewhere else fucktard.

#77 Gordon

Extraordinarily unperceptive of you, Kenneth.

1. Shiites and Sunnis hate each other and have decided to kill each other with abandon - your unholy alliance of Iran and al qaeda is fantasy - their proxies are fighting each other in Iraq.

Actually, How extraordinarily unperceptive of you, Gordo! Nowhere did I say AQ & Iran are allied. I said they are each arming groups in Iraq, Sunni & Shia, respectively, who are killing each other. And I did not say that the Democrats are the cause of the problems, but rather that they do give support to the terrorists and actively undermine US efforts to defeat them.

You know Gord, you would be more fun to toss around if you could at least keep your arguments straight.

Whats wrong Gordon? Cant decide if you side with America or Jihad? Did I ask too tough a question for your feeble mind?

Whores of the Caliphate

#213 Bill Amos
Spot on! Patton got in quite a bit of trouble for saying the very same thing. Truth is; wars that start too late kill far more people than wars that start too soon.

Gordon would have made the case in 1935 that we shouldnt have gone into Germany because Hitler had no WMD's (knowing full well he was trying to get them). But hey, it only cost 50 million lives!

#126 coz: I admit to being recluctant to engage Jehu, who has proved himself to be a Mexican-hater on previous threads, as well as a flinger of electronic poo in my general direction.

But actually, the response is easy:

Is Iraq in better shape now than it was under Saddam? I would say the answer, despite the horrific violence infecting the country now, is yes.

THe question for Jehu and all the rest is - what now?

Gordon, if Operation Iraqi Freedom is "a disastrous nightmare," which US wars in your view were more successful?  Would you have withdrawn US troops after the "disastrous nightmare" of D-Day?  Should the media have broadcast video of the "disastrous nightmare" of D-Day when those events unfolded?

You also say Operation Iraqi Freedom was "a mistake to begin with."  So in your view, the people who said the following are all liars, and your "strategy" is to trust a psychotic dictator?

• Iraq is "a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists." (President Clinton)

• "Saddam Hussein has brought military action upon himself by refusing for 12 years to comply with the mandates of the United Nations." (John Kerry)

• "Saddam Hussein has chosen to make military force the ultimate weapons inspections enforcement mechanism." (John Kerry)

• "Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country." (John Edwards)

• "Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." (Madeleine Albright)

• "No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators." (Madeleine Albright)

• "We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict." (Harry Reid)

• "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." (Al Gore)

• "Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons." (Nancy Pelosi)

• "Saddam Hussein must disarm or face the most serious consequences. Let me make it clear that the burden is resoundingly on Saddam Hussein to live up to the ceasefire agreement he signed and make clear to the world how he disposed of weapons he previously admitted to possessing." (John Kerry)

• "Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance -- not even today -- of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace." (Hans Blix)

• "The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed. 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes." (Hans Blix)

And more here:
[Link: freedomagenda.com...]
 

We?! Your ilk was hating Reagan who DEFEATED the Soviets, go jerk off somewhere else fucktard.

And the unclean spirit Rayra entered.

/Just kidding

#224 Gordon

Have you been to Iraq?

#778 Gordon 10/17/2006 08:21AM PDT
So, Charles, is the Nobel Peace Prize still "worthless and debased?"
[Link: nobelprize.or......]

Not a singla comment from you on this, Charles. Is it because the winner is a Muslim, and you don't acknowledge any good in any Muslims?

Enquiring minds want to know

#791 BenZacharia 10/17/2006 08:28AM PDT
Gordon, you ignorant slut, if one of you had bothered to search the threads you would have seen that we said his contribution was the only bright spot this year. Asshat.

#796 BenZacharia 10/17/2006 08:39AM PDT

Futhermore Gordon, you ignorant slut, he did it because he believes in capitalism, not islame.

He is charging interest on those loans, forbidden in the koran.

Did you forget that when they taught it at your madrassa?

We've answered, now its' your turn to.

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Gordon waiting for an anwser.

Be prepared to be attacked in this manner everytime you pull your head out of your ass to post.

Let's see who gets banned first.

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OT...who's out to get Curt Weldon? I'm not a fan of the "Clinton Shadow Government" crowd, but Weldon is a hero who is being targeted, hopefully unsuccessfully, by the FBI and CIA.

In the first of those articles, "The war on Weldon" from Sept. 21, I related how the CSG had handpicked Joe Sestak, a retired admiral and member of the National Security Council in the Clinton administration, to run against Weldon. The goal was assuredly to prevent him from digging any deeper into the Clinton record.

That record includes clues to former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger's motive for stealing and destroying documents from the National Archives. Weldon was hot on this story as well he should have been. Indeed, every reporter in Washington should have been wondering how damaging a secret this must have been if a former national security adviser were willing to risk his career to conceal it. If only!

Now principal of the lobbying and consulting firm Stonebridge International, the dubious Berger hosted a serious fund-raiser for the admiral in Washington. The Sestak donor list reads likes a who's who of international mismanagement. There is, of course, the disgraced Berger. Then there is the disgraced former CIA director, John Deutch, who had signed a criminal plea agreement in connection with his mishandling of national secrets a day before being pardoned by the outgoing President Clinton. One interesting contribution came in from the disgraced Mary O. McCarthy, recently fired from the CIA after failing a polygraph on leaked classified information in regards to CIA prisons overseas.

In addition to the disgraced, there are the merely disreputable. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, still fuming over her churlish portrayal on ABC's "The Path to 9/11," gave her fair share, as has Hillary Clinton, Richard "Against All Enemies" Clarke, former NSA Director Anthony Lake and former White House Chief of Staff John Podesta.

In the second of these articles, "Clinton targets Weldon in Fox tirade" from Sept. 28, I related how Clinton mentioned only one Republican other than George Bush by name in his already legendary Fox rant. "A three-star admiral," Clinton announced out of nowhere, "who was on my National Security Council staff, who also fought terror, by the way, is running for the seat of Curt Weldon in Pennsylvania." If I had any doubts that this war was being directed from the top, I had them no longer.

Now, Weldon has seen just how far the CSG is willing to go. A week after the Clinton visit had fired up the troops, Greg Gordon of the McClatchy Newspapers' Washington Bureau broke a story that two anonymous sources had shared with him, namely that Weldon had "traded his political influence for lucrative lobbying and consulting contracts for his daughter." Three weeks before a tight election in a district that Gore and Kerry carried, this leak was calculated to take Weldon out.

On Monday morning the 16th, the FBI raided the homes of Weldon's daughter and a friend, allegedly for fear that documents would be destroyed if they did not do so sooner. By noon of that same day, a group of nearly 20 Democrat protesters were protesting outside Weldon's district office in Upper Darby, carrying matching signs that read, "Caught Red-Handed." So much for "innocent until proven guilty."

#222 BZ

Love the Katie Couric bit,

oh and Nodrog too,

oh dang the whole thing was just great!

More verbal poo from Jehu in #219.

I supported the Cold War. I had relatives killed in Siberia.

I know the difference between the threat the Soviets posed and the threat from crazy Jihadis.

You don't.

Gordon doesn't hust love men.

Gordon loves Jihadis.

Gordon, you're either "with us, or against us" as Hillary Clinton says:

[Link: freedomagenda.com...]
 

I disagree with banning Gordon. Since when do we call for people to shut up who express differing opinions? Gordon, you are clearly staying around posting solid, coherent responses, however flawed and wacky they may be. Believe it or not, I would defend the non-banning of Gordon should it come to a vote. I've been watching here for awhile, although just recently registered, much in part due to the comments of Gordon that I wanted to respond to, so I eventually registered. Without some challenges, we'd be a bunch of people preaching to the choir wouldn't we? I welcome (semi) educated debate.

#198 whosever
He must be either an "eminent person" or a relative, LOL!

#224 Gordon 10/19/2006 10:26AM PDT
#126 coz: I admit to being recluctant to engage Jehu, who has proved himself to be a Mexican-hater on previous threads, as well as a flinger of electronic poo in my general direction.

But actually, the response is easy:

Is Iraq in better shape now than it was under Saddam? I would say the answer, despite the horrific violence infecting the country now, is yes.

THe question for Jehu and all the rest is - what now?

Why dont you tell us what now. What would you do? And please tell us if you side with America and jihad.

#231 Gordon

I know the difference between the threat the Soviets posed and the threat from crazy Jihadis.

You don't.

Have you been to Iraq?

Sweet Baby Jesus in the Arms of his Mother Driving a Dump Truck on the Jersey Turnpike!

Don't you people know you can't argue with a troll, because a troll isn't here to argue?

Late to the thread.

My comments to CNN.

No question.

I am a veteran of the first gulf war.

I remember Mr. Blitzer reporting on the coverage from that time, all of us huddled in front of the TV at the barracks in Camp Lejeune, giving you the time of day.

You propagate the death of a volunteer, who, in his attempt to provide the common people of post-war Iraq with some of the same freedoms you enjoy, and take for granted at his service.

I see some disparity in your objectivity. Here is an example:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Versus

What you have displayed on your site at the time of this mailing.

You are disgusting. I will be contacting your advertisers.

I will be contacting numerous organizations.

This is not right. I consider CNN complicit in every jihadi wanna-be death fueled by your willful propaganda.

Contact their advertisers.

This service member will not be coming home for Christmas ever again.

I am sure Circuit City will care very deeply about this.

gordo, if I follow your logic we should never help a country and it's citizens when they are being murdered or they are helping our enemies or targeting our allies.

We must talk to them nicely and they will be good. They will go away and never create weapons of mass destruction. What we need is more paper resolutions and more voting. lol

LIberalism is a mental disorder to steal a line from the doc.

Ah, but Gordon...we should, indeed we must go into Sudan. Because their government killing, maiming, and raping the guys in the south and west of Sudan is somehow worse than the Saddam regime's doing the same to the citizens of Iraq?

Would the invasion and occupation of Sudan be easier than what we tried in Iraq?

#209 Gordon,

Actually, if we had gone to war before the USSR had nukes (say over the Berlin Blockade), we would have never had the Cold War.

Nor the Cuban Missile Crises.

#183 jehu
Salut Paisan, great post.

Gordo,

History lesson, so take notes, this will be on the midterm exams,

The Tet Offensive ran from January 30th to June 8, 1969. General Westmoreland requested additional troops on Feb 28, 1968. If you are having trouble with the math, that was 11 months BEFORE Tet began.

You would do better to stop making an ass of yourself.

Gordon,

I supported the Cold War. I had relatives killed in Siberia.

Um, I call bullshit on that.

183 jehu ..The Bible was accurate when it said in the Last Days men would come that were haters of God, of good, rebellious, haters of authority, unrighteous, unloving, unforgiven, revilers. Men debased in all ways, and in all their thoughts.

They believe in nothing and lead empty lives...everything they try turns to crap...So they hate...look at Sean Penn..Alec baldwin..etc...They reach the top of this World and find out it means nothing without Honor and Love...all they have left is Anger and Hate...They have no hope....You must believe in something other than yourself to have hope.

#235 ralph_wiggum

I disagree with banning Gordon. Since when do we call for people to shut up who express differing opinions?

Gordon should be banned for refusing to answer questions, all the while demanding anwers, not for having a commie philosophy.

Gordon, you had family murdered by the commies, my only wish is that you could have changed places with them.

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#231, Gordon. Were your relatives Japanese POWs?

222 BabbaZee

you're killing me!

lol!

#231

Reminds me of kindergarden squabbles. You know the kind where you think your the resident expert and everyone else is shit.

Gordon, the legacy of CNN.

Would you have withdrawn US troops after the "disastrous nightmare" of D-Day?

If in 1947 U.S. soldiers were still being blown up by German IEDs and shot at by German snipers hiding in the hedgerows I would say yes, D-Day would have been a disastrous nightmare and a failure.

Next?

And what is your solution for Iraq, Charles?

"Executing CNN executives for treason" doesn't count as a legitimate answer, by the way.

#230 coz
;~P

#251 NoSubmission
Hail Sistah, how goes the Jewhad?

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with Gordon is impossible. Like every Lefty, you never get a straight answer.

It's like talking to a telephone pole.

#254 Gordon 10/19/2006 10:37AM PDT

Would you have withdrawn US troops after the "disastrous nightmare" of D-Day?

If in 1947 U.S. soldiers were still being blown up by German IEDs and shot at by German snipers hiding in the hedgerows I would say yes, D-Day would have been a disastrous nightmare and a failure.

Next?

And what is your solution for Iraq, Charles?

"Executing CNN executives for treason" doesn't count as a legitimate answer, by the way.

Whats your solution Gordon?

#239 Merovign,

Gordon's not a troll. He's a script for auto-generating L³eftist comments so that we can refute them. It saves time, and amuses us :-)

Gordon - the 'fantasy' about Shia Iran contributing to/ aiding Sunni al Qaeda-

Just some things to consider- 1) Iranians are Persian Shia, the Iraqis are Arab Shia. 2) In order to save fighting aged men for battle, during the Iran-Iraq war Iran used pre-teen boys as human mine sweepers- not exactly a high respect for human life or childhood 3)Frequent rumors of top al Qaeda people in Iran, and a rumor that Iran sent one of Osama bin Laden's sons to Lebanon to help coordinate between Sunnis and Hezbollah 4) Iran considers the US the great Satan.

Since Iran doesn't have much respect for human life, aren't Arab- and believe the US to be their greatest enemy, is it really inconceivable they are supporting both sides in the low level civil war there?

Enraged Hamas threatens coup

Gordon - this is my last point to you, then I am done.

I asked you if you had been to Iraq. I assume your answer is no, altho you did not answer me.

Therefore I can assume you are drawing your viewpoint on the war from
1) personal political leanings
2) available news coverage

If you are pre-disposed to believe this war to be morally wrong, then you are going to filter information thru that.

If you are pre-disposed to disagree with the war, then obtain from media sources that also hold that view, then you are going to naturally reinforce your beliefs.

If it can be demonstrated that CNN and other news sources are coming from the same point of view as you, then your are in a cluster-fuck.

If you are getting your news sources from people on the ground whom you have absolute faith, as I do with my son who is actually there, then your view may change.

But I doubt if you are interested in that.

Good bye Gordon.

#12 TalkinKamel 10/19/2006 08:46AM PDT
The MSM is on the other side in the WoT, and has been for some time.

By the way, who actually owns CNN?

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I believe Steve Case of AOL still owns them as part of Time Warner.

If memory serves me Case is a Mormon too.

#245 Kenneth: Ignornace is bliss. The North Vietnamese Tet Offensive was in early 1968.

Gordon 224

Mexican-hater on previous threads,

Prove this oft repeated slander, or all my X Mexican girlfriends will kick your fucktard ass, dumbshit. I do hate white faggy, punk-ass, effeminate liberals, who view other races as nothing much more than pets to warehouse in inner cities, or allow them to blow leafs off their lawns, makes you all feel so magnanimous that you relate to the little people WAAAAAYY down below you.

Nothing worse than patronizing liberals educated beyond their natural capacities. Inventing bloodless relgions of war on cigarettes and other inanimate objects, always conquering something that cannot fight back. Or endlessly fighting a war won by others years ago and declaring victory after breathless victory. Why Rosie O'Donald is extremely brave castigating Christian fundamentalists as worse than Jihadists, but let us see here kiss her girlfriend on the streets of Kansas City, then try the same on the streets of Mecca, liars, whores and cowards, all of you.

Dirk! You.ignorant.slut!

/heh

Don't go over to the "Real Time with Bill Maher" boards and try to talk about this topic. I posted a question of whether it was reasonable for CNN to post KNOWN terrorist propaganda snuff films and these are the responses I received:

"The Administration has done plenty to discredit themselves without the footage, but this illustrates how extreme our behavior has become since 9/11/01. As far as films showing soldiers being killed, that is nothing new. I grew up in the Vietnam era and we saw that stuff everyday on the 6 o'clock news! The public needs to see that stuff! This is reality folks, people die in war, the question becomes not how they die, but what they died for and when the reason is a lie...then the liar becomes the problem...the liar? Dubya."

"The MSM shows terrorist propaganda ALL THE TIME, and has since the runup to the invasion of Iraq. The MSM is the mouthpiece of the government, and many government actions would be considered war crimes were it not the US government.

Oh, you meant the OTHER terrorists?"

Summary: "It's all Bush's fault. We're the real terrorists. Blame America, blame America"

Mugnayieh certainly has the ear of Al Qaeda as well.

#258: Iron Fist

lol, Gordon is a training script for the LGF comment section samurai. Also, he has a drama queen module implemented.

Gordon

"Executing CNN executives for treason" doesn't count as a legitimate answer, by the way.

You don't answer, so FUCK OFF AND DIE.

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255 BabbaZee

The Crusading Zionest Jewhad is all going to according to plan. ..

On Oct. 29th I'm going to a Support the Troops pot-luck dinner where we pack up necessities for our fine soldiers, talk politics and eat chili. Islamists beware!

OK, then, per Nodrog, if the US hadn't been able to defeat the Nazis in 2 to 3 years after the Yurpian invasion we should have just cut and run and left the Nazis in control of Yurp.

Gordon is a hypocrite and coward.

#257 Elric:

Pull out U.S. troops, provide military assistance to the current government in the ongoing civil war, allow the Kurds to carve out their own state.

What's your proposed solution, Charles?

#254 Gordon

The solution for Iraq is perfectly clear Gordo:

Cut & run, let the terrorists have it, let the Sunnis & Shia slaughter each other, let the Kurds ceced so the Turks & Syrians & Iranians will invade. Oh, wait a minute, that's the Democrats "strategy".

The real solution is to defeat the terrorists, cut off the support from Al Qaeda & Iran, raise & train the Iraqi army and help a free, democratic Iraq stand on its own.

Except this war wasn't originally justified based on liberating anybody. It was based on falsified evidence of WMDs. Only after that was shown to be a lie did the liberation meme get started.

But even that is a lie. Sharia law is now part of the new Iraqi constitution, something that wasn't there under the relatively secular (though evil) Hussein reign. Ask the women of Iraq if they feel 'liberated'.

The solution? Chris Matthews got it right on Leno the other night - Tell the Iraqis they have until the end of this presidency to get it together. Sooner is better.

And really, all we want out of the whole sorry region are governments that last the length of the term of the oil production agreements.

Bill Maher, aka Casper, is a hypocrite and coward.

#271 Ed: No, but al qaeda are not the Nazis.

Not because they aren't just as evil, but because they aren't anywhere near as powerful or threatening.