Out of the mouths of slaves.

Look. Muslims as a whole are delusional cultists. Ever the victim, ever the bully.

Are there any surprises in this survey?

I'll ask it again. When are we going to destroy that friggin' meteorite that they all pray to?

10. The Canadian government says it stopped a plot by Canadian Muslims in June 2006 to attack targets in Canada. Do you believe there was a real plot by Muslims?

I didn't know of this. Can someone provide a link?

Thanks,
Avon

No jokes about the Islamic Thinkers Society?

Anyone?

#2 says it all:

2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST - 214
AMERICAN FIRST - 4
BOTH EQUALLY - 86
UNDECIDED - 3

I bet it would be even more disturbing if it was taken in Eurabia.

This wonderful religion brought to you courtesy of Muhammed (IEDBUH)

So let me get this straight... They think it's more important to be violent against American civilians than towards American military/officials?

See what this poll says is that: Muslims condone violence, i.e. Muslims are violent.

I can't interpret it any other way.

That's 307 people who bear close scrutiny...

If anyone is suprised by this, you've been living in a dream world. The Planet is under attack from the demonic force that calls itself "islam". Welcome back from the rings of Saturn.

If only our leaders knew as much as these islamofacists did.

I spy taqiyah! Of course Muslims didn't hijack and crash the planes. No Muslim would do such a thing, but Osama is a hero!

I wonder what the results would have been had they included a breakout for non-American Muslims. I suspect it would have been even more skewed in its anti-American bias.

Any comments Gordon?

. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST - 214
AMERICAN FIRST - 4
BOTH EQUALLY - 86
UNDECIDED - 3

Islam knows no borders...Because they believe the Whole World belongs to Islam.They believe there will be a final battle and those left alive will all be Muslims.

And think about it, these guys mostly vote democrat.

GOD BLESS AMERICA you terrorist scumbags.

I'm gonna go bake an apple pie.

Wow . . .my first hat tip! Does that like, uh, make me an official member or sumpin?

Thanks!

BTW . . .Hats off to the Aussies for this gem "Poster Girl"

I spy an atrociously written survey that would not stand muster much of anywhere.

Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST - 214
AMERICAN FIRST - 4
BOTH EQUALLY - 86
UNDECIDED - 3

Fits well with this...

.Why would California have a mufti? Sharia governs such minor aspects of Islamic life as the issuance of halal butchers’ licenses, which are comparable to certification of kosher meat by rabbis. Sharia also determines the propriety of certain financial transactions between observant Muslims, and many American and other Western banks, investment houses, and related institutions have sharia consultants for the preparation of business contracts by their Muslim clients.

But California has no sharia courts. California’s Muslim population is about one million, or 3.4 percent of the whole population, which does not justify appointment of a mufti. How then does a major Saudi daily describe Hamza Yusuf Hanson as “mufti of California?”

Read it all [Link: www.familysecuritymatters.org...]

Cognitive dissonanace alert!

12. Is Al Qaeda a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America?
YES - 149
NO - 109
UNDECIDED - 49

14. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world?
YES - 228
NO - 54
UNDECIDED - 25

55 of those who ansered No to Question #12 also answered No to Question #14, which is a clear logical contradiction: Al Qaeda is simultaneously not a real organization run by Muslims, AND is attacking the US because it hates American involvement in the Muslim world.

Online Fatwas Incite Young Muslims to Jihad

In an article in the Saudi daily Al-Riyadh, columnist Fares bin Hazam reports that both preachers in mosques and online propaganda are inciting young Muslims to wage jihad.(1) An interview with a young Muslim who went to fight in Afghanistan, also in Al-Riyadh, provides first-hand testimony confirming this claim.

The following are excerpts from the article and the interview:

Saudi Columnist: Preachers in Mosques Urge Worshipers to Join the Jihad in Iraq and Afghanistan

Bin Hazam writes in his article: "The business with Afghanistan will never end as long as the 'duty of jihad' continues to live in [our] society, in mosques, in Friday [sermons], and on the Internet...

"After the fall of the Taliban and the subsequent Guantanamo crisis... there was increasing talk about the need to investigate our youth's growing [inclination] towards jihad, and about the need to search for the reasons that motivate them to go to Afghanistan and to other countries...

"The call to investigate these reasons is despicable; it is a tasteless joke. [One might think] that the reasons are unknown, that we are not aware of our situation [and need to conduct an] investigation in order to discover why [our young people] went forth and are still going forth [to wage jihad]... The reasons are obvious. Many of us know them, and there is no need for a scientific study or for any other [kind of study] to reveal them...

[SNIP]

Read it HERE

the next war will be fought in the streets of the US and all over the world.

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5. Did Muslims hijack planes and fly them into buildings on 9/11?
YES - 117
NO - 139
UNDECIDED - 51

Majority wins.
My uncle (Catholic Priest), me (undisclosed denomination) and my cats (Pagans) hijacked the planes.
We are good with multiple personality disorder, we learned it in a multicultural environment in a multiversity.

#10 kerr avon:

Here's background on the Canadian terror plot. It included beheading the Prime Minister, attacking the Parliment building and blowing up buildings in Ontario.

17 were busted in that plot.

there will be NO sharia law here.

Don't like it?

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

#5 kerr avon

10. The Canadian government says it stopped a plot by Canadian Muslims in June 2006 to attack targets in Canada. Do you believe there was a real plot by Muslims?

I didn't know of this. Can someone provide a link?

16 young Muslim males in Mississauga & Scarborough were arrested in a plot to blow up buildings with ammonium nitrate and to behead the Prime Minister.

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

Out of an Islamic matrix, but RADICALLY DIFFERENT from it, came The Glory of God, promised in Jewish Scripture as the Lord of Hosts; and
proclaiming the Oneness of Humankind...

while exiled and imprisoned by Muslim nations...

who sent Him, in chains, to the Holy Land...

where He pitched His tent on Mount Carmel...

Islam is dying, and about to collapse!

OT Brainwashing at Temple

Intellectual Indoctrination and Academic Fraud at Temple University
By David Horowitz and Jacob Laksin
FrontPageMagazine.com | October 25, 2006

When the Select Committee on Academic Freedom was created by the Pennsylvania Legislature in 2005, the legislators observed,“Academic freedom is likely to thrive in an environment of intellectual diversity….” Temple University, which is one of the three major public institutions of higher learning in the state, does not include a declaration like this among its academic policies and its academic programs regularly violate the principle.

For instance, Temple provides a “writing-intensive two course sequence” called “Intellectual Heritage” which is required of all Temple students and which includes a focus on Enlightenment, Romantic and Revolutionary Thinkers. The Revolutionary Thinkers include Darwin, Marx and Freud, but not Adam Smith whose revolutionary ideas underpin the society in which Temple students live. Professors involved in the course post guides for students on a department webpage called “Faculty Perspectives on Marx.”1 Most of the faculty guides provided, however, are explications of Marx’s writings without critical comment. In all, there are about 30 sample exam and study questions provided which relate to Marx. Every one, without exception, prompts students to explain what Marx said in the way you would expect students to explain the theories of Isaac Newton, whose hypotheses were confirmed by real world experiments. Since all Marxist experiments have failed one might expect some mention of this fact. But one would be disappointed if one did.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

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8. Are the tapes of Osama Bin Laden, claiming responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and threatening future attacks, real or fake?
REAL - 126
FAKE - 129
UNDECIDED - 52

A little touch of schizophrenia, 50-50 % and 50 undecided, lovely. Very multiculturalist.

I want to repeat my question from an earlier thread: do Islamofascists encourage Americans to vote for the democrats? If so, I think the word ought to get out, and I want my democrat-voting friends to know this. They need to know who and what they are endorsing.

I expect the "Undecided"/"No" votes for questions 26-29 resulted from fear of retaliation.

#21 Kenneth

You're expecting logic from brains with islam on?

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14. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world?
YES - 228
NO - 54
UNDECIDED - 25

AND OF COURSE THE WHOLE WORLD IS "THE mUSLIM WORLD".

OT:

As I predicted HERE:

Current MSNBC Headline:
" 'Serious Concern' Bush acknowledges crisis in Iraq "

There they go.

#5 Avon

I didn't know of this. Can someone provide a link?

LINK

Can't we send these taitors to Canada?

#35 Junior
You sure did!

Double Post, but this is more on topic here:

I do believe there are moderate Muslims, such as Bill Bennett's guest this morning, founder of this group, Muslims for Peace, Asra Nomani. She believes about 75% of Muslims in the world reject violent jihad, but are intimidated by the 25%, mainly Wahabbist influenced, who don't.

She worked to end sex segregation at her West Virginia mosque, and chooses not to wear the hijab because she believes it is a symbol of intolerance in Islam.

Of course, the 25% of the Muslims who don't reject violent jihad probably view her as an apostate, (especially since she believes Muslims should reject the violent passages of the Koran) and would kill her if given a chance. And as long as the 75% are afraid to stand up and denounce the 25%, I can't see the perception of Islam as a violent religion changing.

Not so surprising to me. If you asked a bunch of christian convention goers if they were christian or american first, i think youd get similar answers. I find the questions about responsibility for 9/11 far more problematic than #2

#37 Rcris5

Can't we send these taitors to Canada?

Nope, we import more of them every day and they are in the process of buying all our media and our universities.

ofcourse the ones about violence towards americans also, but thats just assumed

Houston area SWAT team kills man who murdered estranged wife when he points his weapon at them.

The deceased were Tiffany Rafi and her estranged husband Muhammad. Muhammad Rafi had ignored restraining orders and had a history of domestic violence.

Of course, 'domestic violence' is sanctioned by the Koran.

Commenting there is open to all. Just sayin'...

Here is a survey of one American living in Japan:

Do we have a real big F'n problem in the world with a major portion of the West unable to see a serious threat to its existence, and at the very least a threat to its ability to continue to be free and open and tolerant.

Yes 1
No 0
Undecided 0

Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST - 214
AMERICAN FIRST - 4
BOTH EQUALLY - 86
UNDECIDED - 3

Muslims only respond to one oath...The one they make to Allah the Moon God of Babylon...

Qur’an:24:55 “Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good work that He will make them rulers of the earth. He will establish in authority their religion—the one which He has chosen for them.”

#41 taxfreekiller
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And at the annual Qud Day rally in Iran, the nuclear annihilation of America is called for. MSM ignores the Iranian hi jinks.
[Link: www.nysun.com...]

#18 saywhat?
Congratulations, it's a gem. Very troubling.

OT but so related:
US Moslems Mostly Democrats

[Link: www.washtimes...]

/Why would the world's most illiberal repressive political theocratic ideology prefer as their "leaders" the most liberal, un-serious folks on earth? Why vote for cut & runners?

/moonbats & moslems & jihadists, oh my

Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST - 214
AMERICAN FIRST - 4
BOTH EQUALLY - 86
UNDECIDED - 3

Of course, if one were living in a country like Nazi Germany or the former Soviet Union, the morally correct stance would be you are your religion first and foremost, as duty to God is above duty to country.

But then again, if these people view the US as the morally bankrupt equivalent of Nazi Germany, they should not have moved here in the first place.

Are we sure that this wasn't a poll of Kos Kiddies?

A music video comes to mind.

#38 BabbaZee

Just frustrating. Could see it coming from a mile away (as I'm sure many of us could).

I'm out.

Well, nice to hear from their own mouths why you cant trust them.

10. The Canadian government says it stopped a plot by Canadian Muslims in June 2006 to attack targets in Canada. Do you believe there was a real plot by Muslims?
YES - 61
NO - 202
UNDECIDED - 44

I guess 246 Muslims haven't figured out that Mohammed and Abdul are Muslims names, or that things floating around in black bags at the courthouse are also Muslim.

Here's the good news from this survey...

16. Do you believe that your local mosque is being monitored by wiretaps, government agents, or informants?
YES 227
NO 59
UNDECIDED 21

17. Do you believe that your personal phone calls are being listened to, or that your personal mail or email is being read, by the U.S. government?
YES 205
NO 78

They know we're watching.

C'mon, you know they are just misunderstood, really they are a gentle loving group of people...honest...I mean really...

#25 lawhawk and
#27 Kenneth

Thanks so much.

I live near the border of Detroit and Windsor (Ontario, Canada) and hadn't heard this.

I know a great number of Canadians who pride themselves on being separate from the US and its policies. But I'll ask them now what they think of this. That the terrorists want to attack them as much or worse than they did in the London and Madrid bombings.

Later, Junior.

These two really caught my eye:

12. Is Al Qaeda a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America?
YES - 149
NO - 109
UNDECIDED - 49

...

14. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world?
YES - 228
NO - 54
UNDECIDED - 25

So, only 149 think Al Qaeda is real, but 228 think that same organization is "attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world." That means a large number of these Muslims think Al Qaeda both does not exist and is attacking America.

Yup, real brainpower and clear thinking there...

#10 kerr avon

Blake's 7 fan, or just Paul Darrow?

#62 me

Ooops, should have read #21 before posting -- Kenneth beat me to it!

#45 mich-again
Looks like an interesting dicussion too.

Follow the link, read to the bottom, there you see:

30. If you learned about a plot by Muslims to attack targets inside America, would you tell law enforcement authorities?
YES 234
NO 39
UNDECIDED 34

#37 rcris5

Can't we send these taitors to Canada?

Ha ha, very funny. Don't quit your day job.

And not to flog a very dead horse, you can't send them anywhere - they're citizens.

Maybe the 9/11 conspiracy idea is right,after all,someone posted a link a few days ago to a "scientific" examination using logarithms which 'proved' there was no steel in the twin towers.

I'm going away and start raising boneless chickens.

Al

-Mahdi, The Rider On A White Horse

The Mahdi is believed to ride on a white horse. Whether or not this is symbolic or literal is hard to say. Quite interestingly, this tradition is based on the Muslim interpretation of Christian Scriptures. Despite the fact that Muslims view the Bible as having been changed and corrupted by Jews and Christians, they still claim to believe that some portions of the “original” inspired books are still to be found within the “corrupted” Bible. As such there exists a tradition within Islamic scholarship that seeks to extract those portions of the Bible that Muslims feel may be untainted by the corrupting influence of Jews and Christians. These Judeo-Christian traditions are called by Muslims, isra’iliyyat. One such transmitter of biblical traditions is Muslim scholar Ka’b al-Ahbar. He is viewed among Muslims as a trustworthy transmitter of Hadith as well as isra’iliyyat. 31 Ka’b al-Ahbar is supported in his view that this description of the rider on the white horse as found in the Book of Revelation is indeed the Mahdi by two well known Egyptian authors, Muhammad Ibn ‘Izzat and Muhammad ‘Arif in their book Al Mahdi and the End of Time. ‘Izzat and Arif quote Ka’b al Ahbar as saying:

I find the Mahdi recorded in the books of the Prophets… For instance, the Book of Revelation says: “And I saw and behold a white horse. He that sat on him…went forth conquering and to conquer.” 32

‘Izzat and ‘Arif then go on to say:

It is clear that this man is the Mahdi who will ride the white horse and judge by the Qur’an (with justice) and with whom will be men with marks of prostration on their foreheads [Marks on their foreheads from bowing in prayer with their head to the ground five times daily]. 33

It is said by some that it was for this reason that Saddam Hussein had numerous murals painted all over Baghdad portraying himself as a Muslim Knight on a white horse with sword drawn doing valiant battle against the infidels.

Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

#67 WRENCHWRENCH

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THAT, I HAD NOT FOLLOWED THE LINK.

SO, MORE THAN 10% of them are OPENLY SUPPORTING TERRORISM.

WHICH, WORLDWIDE, WOULD GIVE A 120,000,000 STRONG ARMY OF beasts.

Interesting.

#69 TotallySirius
Oscar Madison: How did they walk?

I placed the following comment of the MFASA board.

I had an issue with a neighbor that bought a Rottweiler and refused to confine it in a kennel or to a chain. At the time, my son was about 4 and loved to play in the yard. And, of course, my neighbor’s Rottweiler had equal access to my yard as well. My primary responsibility of protecting my son not the feelings of my neighbor. I offered him two choices, either confine his Rottweiler or I would kill it. He chose to sell the animal instead.

My point is this, our first obligation as a nation, is to provide for the security and well being of our citizens. If this steps of a few toes or hurts a few feelings, I could care less. Islam is a religion in crisis - and surveys like this do little to show that members of that religion feel the same.

We will be over the hump and “equal” with Muslims when:

The Koran can be soaked in a jar of urine without the “artist” being murdered.

When the Muslim world stands shoulder to shoulder with Israelis declaring Israel’s sovereignty and defending them from all enemies.

When Christian, Muslim, Hindu - all the world’s religions - are welcomed to Saudi Arabia with open arms.

But, for Islam to continue down it’s current road of radicalization will bring the clash of civilizations countries like Iran seem to crave.

There is a dog in our neighborhood - both Christian and Muslim - that needs to be reigned in or killed.

#69 TotallySirius

I'm going away and start raising boneless chickens

Sorry, too late. Democrats have already been invented.

#17 BabbaZee

Is that pie done yet...I'm hungry

coz,
LOL!

RADICAL APPLE PIE BAKING AGAINST THE UMMAH!

I'm making two you can have the first one.

#72 BabbaZ

Beats me but if someone could either build two 110 story skyscrapers without steel or could remove the steel after they were already built,then it has to be easier to breed a boneless chicken.

#67 wrenchwench
I found that one very interesting as well. I'm not sure what to make of that within the context of the rest of the survey which shows strong denial that Muslims are responsible for terror attacks.

VIDEO EXCLUSIVE :: A Night To Honor Israel

On Sunday, October 22, Pastor John Hagee founder of Christians United For Israel and the Cornerstone Church hosted the 25th annual Night to Honor Israel in San Antonio, Texas. Cornerstone Church was packed to the rafters (5,000+ people) and the pulse of the room was electrifying. Be sure to watch some of the clips from this extremely moving event: Pastor Hagee delivered a stirring speech declaring that Iran and radical Islam had better think twice before attacking Israel and the U.S

[Link: www.onejerusalem.org...]

#77 TotallySirius
See 74 ROTFFLMZIAO!

2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST - 214
AMERICAN FIRST - 4
BOTH EQUALLY - 86
UNDECIDED - 3

A quiz.
Are you an American follower of Islam?
You, all by yourself, and for yourself, may earn an apology from us.
There is a quiz first.

1.Do you now consider yourself an American?
2.Do you put being an American ahead of 'islamic brotherhood'?
3.Do you publicly condemn islamic murderers?
4.Are you willing to take up arms against murdering islamic dogs?

Be 100% honest, if you are able. Any "no" answer is a failure. If you can honestly answer "yes" to all 4 questions, are in good health, and less than 42 years of age, we would like to introduce you to military recruiters we know.
http://psyopsvsislam.blogspot.com/2006/07/make-up- test-for-slow-learners.html

Most astonishing of all is that the vast majority believe it is OK to engage in violence against the US military and our political officials in retaliation for making Muslims rich and rescuing Muslims in Kosovo and Iraq our involvement in the Muslim world. These thoughts are simply treasonous.

A very important post which puts to lie the constant bleating that only a "radical fringe" supports terror.

#53 ringo the gringo

Are we sure that this wasn't a poll of Kos Kiddies?

That was my first thought as well.

I suspect a poll of libs would come out at least as bad, if not worse.

funny how gordon stays away from this thread

I think it's fair to say that most of us agree that Islam is a death cult.

I find thr answers to this question interesting:

21. Should Iran develop nuclear weapons?
YES 161
NO 123
UNDECIDED 23

And I also find it interesting that the majority found none of the listed potential actions by the government to stop terrorism justifiable, meaning these Muslims must want terrorism.

The question we should be positing is how do we un-brainwash these people? How do we rid the world of the perpetrators creating this violence?

2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST - 214
AMERICAN FIRST - 4
BOTH EQUALLY - 86
UNDECIDED - 3

The jehu solution?

Round up 307 Muslims at random, or just stand outside of a Mosque on Friday.

214 go to Saudi Arabia, or any Muslim shithole of their choice.

4 get to stay.

86 get to spend one half of every year in a Muslim shithole of their choice...but must pay their own airfare, unlike group one, which American taxpayers will fund...instead of payments to the U.N.

3 get to be guards at Gitmo.

Here are those statistics in terms of percentages:

There may be slight discrepancies due to rounding to the nearest percentage point.

1. Are you a U.S. Citizen? (If no, then don’t fill out survey.)
YES - 100%
NO - 0%

2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?

MUSLIM FIRST - 70%
AMERICAN VIRST - 1%
BOTH EQUALLY - 28%
UNDECIDED - 1%

3. Is the American government at war with the religion of Islam?

YES - 68%
NO - 26%
UNDECIDED - 7%

4. Can a good Muslim be a good American?

YES - 95%
NO - 4%
UNDECIDED - 1%

5. Did Muslims hijack planes and fly them into buildings on 9/11?

YES - 38%
NO - 45%
UNDECIDED - 17%

6. Did the U.S. government have advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, and allow the attacks to occur?

YES - 65%
NO - 23%
UNDECIDED - 12%

7. Did the U.S. government organize the 9/11 attacks?

YES - 35%
NO - 49%
UNDECIDED - 16%

8. Are the tapes of Osama Bin Laden, claiming responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and threatening future attacks, real or fake?

REAL - 41%
FAKE - 42%
UNDECIDED - 17%

9. Did Muslims commit the July 2005 train and bus bombings in London?

YES - 46%
NO - 34%
UNDECIDED - 21%

10. The Canadian government says it stopped a plot by Canadian Muslims in June 2006 to attack targets in Canada. Do you believe there was a real plot by Muslims?

YES - 20%
NO - 66%
UNDECIDED - 14%

11. The British government says it stopped a plot by British Muslims in August 2006 to bomb planes flying to America. Do you believe there was a real plot by Muslims?

YES - 21%
NO - 62%
UNDECIDED - 16%

12. Is Al Qaeda a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America?

YES - 49%
NO - 36%
UNDECIDED - 16%

13. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American freedoms?

YES - 6%
NO - 88%
UNDECIDED - 7%

14. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world?

YES - 74%
NO - 18%
UNDECIDED -8%

25. Was America justified in invading Afghanistan after 9/11?

YES - 17%
NO - 81%
UNDECIDED - 3%

26. Is violence by Muslims against American civilians acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?

YES - 7%
NO - 89%
UNDECIDED - 3%

27. Is violence by Muslims against the American military overseas acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?

YES - 44%
NO - 50%
UNDECIDED - 6%

28. Is violence by Muslims against the American military in the U.S. acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?

YES - 24%
NO - 69%
UNDECIDED - 7%

29. Is violence by Muslims against American government officials acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?

YES - 17%
NO - 75%
UNDECIDED - 8%

Why don't they ask the pertinent poll questions, e.g...

• Do you believe America would be improved by sharia law?

• Do you desire a worldwide caliphate?

• Do you believe suicide bombers who kill Jews and other infidels will go to paradise?

• Do you regard the American Constitution as the law of the land?

Etc.

I know lizards could create a far more enlightening poll than Muslims for a Safe Umma, er America, although theirs was quite revealing as far as it went.

Don't they understand what this does to sales of guns, ammo and affiliated products?

12. Is Al Qaeda a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America?
YES - 149
NO - 109
UNDECIDED - 49

This one was weird... more than 150 or the respondants belong to al-Qaeda...

Of course it is real, they are on the bowling team...

2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST - 214
AMERICAN FIRST - 4
BOTH EQUALLY - 86
UNDECIDED - 3

You'll find a lot of Christians in America saying this about their Christianity versus their earthly citizenship (myself included).

Strange.

#21 Kenneth

No one has ever accused Islam of being the religion of logic, or the religion of intelectual honesty.

We are going to have a lot of RoPers to put into concentration camps after the next Weapons of Peace is used against the American People...i.e. another 9/11...

These people constitute a 5th column as troublesome as the German-American Bund in the late 1930's...

W/all due respect Charles, if they believe that Bin Laden were NOT responsible for 9-11, then it would logically follow that the invasion of Afghanistan wasnt justified.

Their logic is sound.

Their sanity and intellectual capacity on the other hand, well, lets just say call me skeptical...

Looking at the results, Im thinking perhaps this was a poll directed only to retarded Muslims...

Can anyone confirm the presence or lack thereof of brain damage and/or congenital idiocy of those polled?

#97TMF

what there is another kind of muslim, I wouldn't have guessed

#21 Kenneth

Logical contradictions...

Great point! The logical contradictions in these results are vast and I'm sure no surprise to folks here.
The worldview of the moonbats + these nutters intersect at a point where the laws of physics do not apply.
This is the world of the utopians. And they will die/kill trying to make the impossible a reality.

#21 Kenneth 10/25/2006 09:14AM PDT

Cognitive dissonanace alert!

12. Is Al Qaeda a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America?
YES - 149
NO - 109
UNDECIDED - 49

14. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world?
YES - 228
NO - 54
UNDECIDED - 25

55 of those who ansered No to Question #12 also answered No to Question #14, which is a clear logical contradiction: Al Qaeda is simultaneously not a real organization run by Muslims, AND is attacking the US because it hates American involvement in the Muslim world.

You noticed that too, eh? That did seem a bit strange to me. If Al Qaeda is not an organization run by Muslims, why would they be attacking the US for interfering with Muslims?

2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST - 214
AMERICAN FIRST - 4
BOTH EQUALLY - 86
UNDECIDED - 3

4. Can a good Muslim be a good American?
YES - 292
NO - 11
UNDECIDED - 4

Kinda odd when you consider yourself Muslim before a American.

They forgot this question?

What evil in the world is NOT CAUSED BY THE JOOOS?

a) Nothing.
b) Nada
c) Zip
d) All of the above.

#102 annelid 10/25/2006 10:38AM PDT

I guess beheadings,burnings,stonings and hanging body parts off a bridge are NORMAL everyday happenings in Muslim culture? Where's the muslim outrage about that?

Those people weren't Muslim. And if they were, they weren't the right kind of Muslim.

Love this question that was posed by a viewer :

Why wasnt this question asked?

‘Is the religion of Islam at war with the American government and it’s people ?’

I think the majority of people who consider themselves "religious" are going to consider themselves a member of that religion (even atheists and agnostics) over their nationality, regardless of their religion. I don't find the answer from the Muslim poll all that surprising.

I left a comment in there, but my quote didn't work...

Dang it.

jaynumber 93

You'll find a lot of Christians in America saying this about their Christianity versus their earthly citizenship (myself included).

Me also, but the HUGE, BIG difference is my religion demands I submit to earthly authority, and that earthly authority is given a God-sanctioned sphere of operation. "Render to Caser the things that are Casers."

The huge mistake of the West is to equate Christianity (or any religion to Islam).

Christianity does not demand a Christian ruled government, or imposing Christian beliefs (by force) on anyone. Any sect of Christianity that does so is considered an aberration and even an evil aberration by 99% of other Christians. The point not understood or ignored by many, especially secularists, is who are the founders of these religions?

A river does not rise above its source. In things of religion something cannot exceed its originator or founder. Therefore “true,” Christianity is measured NOT by all its adherents down through the ages, but by the character and actions of its founder. Jesus is the plumb-line to measure all of Christianity. Mohammed is the plumb-line to measure all of Islam. Islam, when true to itself exhibits the character and actions of Mohammed. Anyone that knows any history of Mohammed and converts, stays, is attracted to, or sympathetic to Islam; is at the very best a fool, and at the worst an enemy of humanity, and righteousness. This thing called Islam, IMO is evil.

More importantly...can I have some HOME BAKED ZIONIST APPLE PIE FROM THE SPLEEN OF ZION?

{P.L}

OINK!

#102 Annelid

Ahem..you forgot clitorectomies, having 10 year old slaves and having no descernable sense of humour..but WHATEVER!

#100 chyron --- Yeah, I found that pretty odd, too. Al Qaeda doesn't exist, yet al Qaeda attacks America because America interferes with Muslims.

Mucking Fuslims.

Zut alors! I keeeled da tred!

More trash from the usual fifth-column suspects. It's way past time to stop pussy-footing around with these people.

Is America at war with Islam? No. But radical Islamists declared war on America. You started it; we'll finish it. And that includes eliminating the fifth column.

#109 writer mom ---

Was this made from real Zionists? Or real spleens? I sure hope real apples were used!

For all the "It'll never happen here" attitude and "What a bunch of cavemen" comments, the advances of the moos-limbs and their retro-cultural tyranny are stunning and frightening. Self-confidence is one thing, but self-delusion is quite another; the danger to liberty and freedom is moving ever closer and is creeping under our door through the judiciary. We have the information necessary to prevent such a takeover but there is significant evidence to indicate that Western society is at serious risk of permanent damage if not an outright takeover. Look at Britain, Spain, and France and decide if those societies are presently more or less like they were in 1980.

To de-emphasize the enemy and his strength is a step toward defeat. To attempt to win a war by small degrees is another. This present effort to defend against islamic aggression will likely require a large and bloody confrontation--just look at the tactics of the Japanese on Iwo or the North Vietnamese in the late 60's. The tactics of the enemy were very successful in inflicting damage (on Iwo Jima) and in dampning the will of the American public to support the war (Vietnam after Tet). If the communications systems of today had been fractionaly in place during the 1940's, there is no way under the sun that the Allies would have prevailed against our enemy.

This thing is going to get uglier, either by battle or by results. If sharia is to be stopped then more effort has to be made ot reinforce the principles of the American Constituition and the founding documents.

We are at war. Pick a side.

Dan Patterson
Arrogant Infidel

#21 Kenneth

Those responses raised red flags with me as well. Cognitive dissonance indeed.

#101 mattm

2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST - 214
AMERICAN FIRST - 4
BOTH EQUALLY - 86
UNDECIDED - 3

4. Can a good Muslim be a good American?
YES - 292
NO - 11
UNDECIDED - 4

Kinda odd when you consider yourself Muslim before a American.

How much are you betting these are the same 4 people?

Two points:

1) I consider myself a Christian first and a Canadian second. I imagine most Christians would answer similarly. It is unreasonable to hold Muslims to a different standard.

2) Room for weasel words: if we say the men who flew into WTC weren't "true Muslims", then you can answer (eg) Q5 as "no". Personally, I doubt this was behind those "no"s, but it would be worth clarifying.

#114 6patrick6

I don't know. I saw BabbaZee talking about pie, and I want some of that action. Traditionally, gentile blood is only used for Matzot and Hamentaschen-pie with spleen would be news even to me-a seasoned cook of Zion.

they consider themselves msulim
that is a big problem

their book, satan's guide to taking over the world, AKA the koran, tells them to take over in non-islamic countries.

either they plan to follow that or they are NOT muslims.

also, being an American is a nationality

being a Christian is a religon

if i had been asked the question i would not have answered as they are not the same thing

but islam is both, or pretends to be both.

The yes respondents to questions 26 and 29 fall under the definition of treason as defined in Article 3 Section 3 of the US Constitutuion, IMHO.

I wish the attourney general would get a move on.

Bwahahhahhaaa!

I have succesfully baked my Zionist Occu-Pie!

#122 wargammer2005

I think that is what is really bothering me, both from the respondants of this poll and from a few on this thread. The Christian/American or Muslim/American thing is comparing apples and oranges. One does not flow from the other, nor are they on the same list of prioritization. One is religious, and one is, for lack of a better term, political. I am deeply disturbed when I see Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddists, Hindus, or Animists for that matter, throwing their nationality and their religion into the same category. I happen to be nominally Catholic. I also happen to be an American. I can move to the UK (though why I would want to, I couldn't say) and still be as much Catholic as before. Likewise I can become an Atheist, or a Zen Buddist even, and still remain as much American as I was before.

Normally I find myself pretty much in line with you guys, but I have to admit that this is one of my pet peeves.

#124 BabbaZee

Oh no! The Dreaded Zionist OccuPIESHUN.

#125 beblebrox 10/25/2006 11:28AM PDT

#122 wargammer2005

I think that is what is really bothering me, both from the respondants of this poll and from a few on this thread. The Christian/American or Muslim/American thing is comparing apples and oranges. One does not flow from the other, nor are they on the same list of prioritization. One is religious, and one is, for lack of a better term, political. I am deeply disturbed when I see Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddists, Hindus, or Animists for that matter, throwing their nationality and their religion into the same category. I happen to be nominally Catholic. I also happen to be an American. I can move to the UK (though why I would want to, I couldn't say) and still be as much Catholic as before. Likewise I can become an Atheist, or a Zen Buddist even, and still remain as much American as I was before.

Normally I find myself pretty much in line with you guys, but I have to admit that this is one of my pet peeves.

It's kind of like the Jehovah's Witness pamphlet I got the other day. They said, first and foremost, a 'true religion' does not meddle in political matters. But then it goes on to later claim that 'true religion' does not condone same-sex marriage and should stop its government from allowing it.

I just stood there dumbfounded for awhile, rereading the two sections, trying to figure out how it was supposed to make sense.

song_and_dance 117

Bottom line in all of this goes back to the founders. Jesus was, by any standards, the best humanity has ever seen. Mohammed, by any standards, was one of the worst.

#126 WriterMom
You got it.

JEWWWHHHADDD!

#127 Chyron

Kind of like the old adage that everyone else is meddeling, but I'm just giving good advice.

Last time the JW's came to my house I invinted them in and told them sure, I'd love to hear what they had to say, as long as they didn't mind my having a few beers while I cleaned my guns. They politely declined and haven't been back since.

#21 Kenneth

Re: "12. Is Al Qaeda a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America? "

Sorry if someone has already mentioned this .. but keep in mind that whenever a Muslim is observed by infidels doing anything that is "un-Islamic" (in other words, following Islam to a T) this card immediately gets pulled out of the burkah and waved aloft: "Those" people are not 'real' Muslims".

With that in mind, it's not a contradiction.

#88 new_tommy

Thank you new_tommy. That's very helpful.

#125 bebelbrox ---

It's the same when the L3 refers to people as "African-Americans", Cuban-Americans", and so forth. I'm from the United States. I am an American, period. Not "Irish-American" or whatever-American, just American. I hate that hyphen-American bullshit!

Likewise, we have the "Muslim-American" running for Congress in Minnesota. You'll see a "Jewish-American" reference sometimes, but NEVER a "Christian-American" reference. I'm guessing Christians can't BE Americans and Christians simultaneously, according to the L3.

As far as my nationality, I am an American. I am also a Christian. Like you, I could move virtually anywhere in the world and still BE both American and Christian.

I say we let another, oh 3 - 5 million Muslims into the country, whaddya say?

ISNA likes to POW WOW in Chicago, A big and growing Muslim outpost for the Global Ummah.

NOT UNRELATED

Hamas Terrorist Trial Begins --- IN CHICAGO

#136 Correction

Pow Wow, is perhaps the wrong word since the Great Lakes tribes of the Potowatami, under Cheif Waubonsee, and Black Hawk used to gather there for conference among the tribes.

Not unrelated -- many of these Native American people converted to Christianity in the 1700-1800's under the influence of French Catholic Missionaries that were miss-named as "Explorer's" in your kids PC textbooks.

Who were these French Missionaries to the American Native peoples of the Pre-Revolutionary war period ?

They had fascinating names like ... Marquette,
Joliet,

and the Christian Martyr Father Le Beouf.

#136 Continued

Hamas Trial opens in Chicago

The Government’s statement opened with Assistant U.S. Attorney Carrie Hamilton retelling of the death of David Boim, an American Jewish teenager who was killed by a HAMAS gunman in a drive-by shooting in the West Bank on May 13, 1996. Hamilton mentioned how HAMAS is a terrorist organization, which brought groans from the overwhelmingly pro-Ashqar/Salah supporters in the overflow courtroom, in which I sat. The government mentioned how Abdelhaleem al-Ashqar, one of the defendants, kept thousands of documents in his home and facilitated supporting HAMAS from the U.S. Hamilton then began talking about the evidence which will be presented to the jury. They (the jury) will learn about HAMAS attacks and the roles that the defendants played in those attacks. Hamilton said that Mohammed Salah recruited and trained HAMAS members in explosives here in the United States. He also traveled to Israel to deliver hundreds of thousands of dollars to HAMAS members. He worked with Mousa Abu Marzook, the current Deputy Head of the Political Bureau of HAMAS, and had direct contact with other HAMAS leaders and high level members. In September 1992, Marzook sent Salah to meet with Salah al-Arouri, a HAMAS member headquartered at Hebron University in the West Bank, to give him $50,000. He also met with now deceased HAMAS activist Adel Ahmed Awadallah who provided Salah with information that was relayed by Salah to Marzook. In January 1993, Salah was sent again to deliver money because of the December 1992 deportation of HAMAS activists to Lebanon by Israel. According to the government, Salah was asked to take over the Military Wing of HAMAS. The purpose of Salah’s trip to Israel this time was again to deliver money and also to find out what else HAMAS needed. While in Israel, Salah met with HAMAS military leaders.

#134 6patrick6

Well technically "Jewish" is an ethnicity. But "Muslim" and "Christian" is not.

#79 storagemanager

Thanks for the link. Fabulous speech by Pastor Hagee.

Ploome. And some people say Africa is backward. The West could learn from these African people.

If you go to the web site they definately sound 'moderate'. Some of the posts on the site actually quite introspective. Yet if you look further at their statements about the hezbollah-Israeli War its quite distorted. They charge Israel with attacking lebanese civilain targets because Hezbollah kidnapped 2 israeli soldiers. Its the same old distorted de-contexualized view that is so far from the truth that it leaves little hope for any reconcilliation between muslims and israelis. To even the most moderate muslims, it seems, Israel is never justified or sympathetic...

has anyone forwarded this to the white house?

#115 Dan

Excellent post, but I have one bone to pick. The present difficulty (i.e. moonbats who support our enemies) is not caused by modern communications system. It is caused by philosophical and especially moral bankruptcy. This did not exist in the USA in the 1930's and 1940's to anywhere near the degree of today.

How in the world could a religion of peace create so many who have so many serious denial issues?

It's almost as if they have been brainwashed.

Where could such delusion be leading? What's next, stoning women? child brides? oppressive, degrading multi-marriages? willingness to strap bombs on kids? black eye'd celestrial hymin intact trollips? rocks that yell when Christians hide behind them?

Come on.. next you're going to suggest they want a holocaust against the Jooo's...

whew../sarc off

I would love to see this same poll given to Democrats.. I expect Democrats are equally nuts

#140 ploome hineni 10/25/2006 01:18PM PDT

I may have read that article wrong. Does that mean that Niger is kicking out it's Muslim immigrants?

Imagine the seething, if that's the case.

#149 ploome hineni 10/25/2006 02:26PM PDT

I think they are being kicked out

SEETH-ATHON!

#151 ploome hineni 10/25/2006 02:39PM PDT

Oh man. I started to think logically here. I forgot to stop doing that when trying to determine the motives of these kinds of people.

Despite the fact that this is a MUCH more horrible thing to do to people than draw cartoons about their prophet, I suppose you may be right. There will be no murderous backlash for this.

Maybe we just to need to bring democracy to these Muslims -- no wait, its already been tried!

What's the point of attacking the ISNA ideology on a pro-Stupid Bush website when that moron pays those puppets of a pro-Taliban/al-Qaeda group, for consultation on Islamic affairs.

Karen Hughes as Understate Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy was a personal appointee of Bush. I the two were any closer, she would be sucking his cock. And if she wasn't a fellow common-child-of-Abraham crackpot, then she probably would.

Hughes - the sadomasochist face of American surrenderists - takes punches from Muslims on her chin, and all but co-wrote Alberto Fernandez self-loathing. The fact of inherent Muslim aggression and social idiocy cannot impact on the alcohol sotted or faith-based brains of the Bush-Hughes lunatocracy. Their fanatacism is about as curable as leprosy, and 300 million times as dangerous. Muslim = enemy.

Address attacks on the ISNA to their dhimmi-slaves:

[Link: www.militantislammonitor.org...]

[Link: www.militantislammonitor.org...]

[Link: www.detnews.com...]

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

When will this sink in?: Bush's no objective sham in Iraq is delivering a HIZBOLLAH-CORRIDOR to a Teheran tyranny against whom all he has tossed is lame rhetoric.

Wow... looks like a whole lot of people got number 4 wrong.

The correct answer is NO.

A "good" Moslem can not be honestly supportive of a secular democratic republic with limited power that guarantees individual rights without respect to religion.

To be a good American requires that one ignore a good part of the Koran.

Other than the muslim/American questions, I'm sure the folks at CNN, many college faculty, or democrats in the Senate would come up with similar answers.

okay, so they want to kill us but they don't believe Bin Laden or Atta or Zarquwi or any one else has actually TRIED to kill us? We are making it all up. WE HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH OUR SCARCE RESOURCES AND OUR CHILDREN?

Very interesting state of denial. They must think we are stupid.

OK we got 10% of these jerk offs thinking that killing civilians is acceptable, and 50% opining that killing our soldiers is acceptable.

These people are NOT Americans!

Might be nice to ask the multiculturalists exactly which of those muslim mainstream views is particularly beneficial to mainstream American culture.

When America gets around to deporting its muslim problem, send the multiculturalists with them.

Wait a minute. According to your own data, Charles, Muslims are NOT the America-hating violent people that LGF portrays them as, yet you still spin the article to mean so. Ego defense mechanism, perhaps?

2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?

MUSLIM FIRST - 214
AMERICAN FIRST - 4
BOTH EQUALLY - 86
UNDECIDED - 3

4. Can a good Muslim be a good American?

YES - 292
NO - 11
UNDECIDED - 4

#2 and #4 are incompatible.

While I'll freely acknowledge that devotion to one's God is nearly non-existant now in the West so the existance of devout westerners gets forgotten, those focusing on the first question about faith or country first still need to keep in mind that the answer would be the same from anyone that is devout to their religion.

Now, that does not mean that a devoutly religious person does not also feel that they have a strong obligation (and even depending on their faith a divinely required one) to be loyal to their country.

It just means that if you ask anyone who is devoutly religious who their first obligation is to they will tell you God.

Just something to keep in mind, that that question (without an appropriate follow up question about views on obligations after God) is pretty meaningless. There are plenty of other questions in that survey that are heapum big scary though.

#145 Bearster:

Thank you for the correction; I agree that the problem is not with technology but with character. If there is such a thing as a character of a nation, the state of the public's character today is not a bit like it was in 1940. Have a quick look at popular press articles, movies, advertising, reports from school principals, and you'll find an easily identifiable sense of right and wrong and an enthusiasm for success. You'll also find Jim Crow laws, segregation, poor public health, and shorter life-spans so not everything was rosey. The point is that there is a cheapened regard now for both life and the quality of it, a shallowness and immaturity that seems to have its roots in the Great Society programs of the 60's. Although you can't un-ring a bell, you can develop a taste for better quality news reporting, higher standards of behavior, and a respect for the life we've been given.

The war against fascism doesn't have to be lost because of a Cronkite-like mumble about how difficult and dangerous a war is. We are at war with a non-traditional enemy and to win requires non-traditional methods. But to win, we must choose sides.

Dan Patterson
Arrogant Infidel