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Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 12:24:05 pm PST

Pakistan’s military launched an attack today on a madrassa near the Afghanistan border, wiping out the Islamic school and killing 80 people.

KHAR, Pakistan (AFP) - Pakistani helicopter gunships have destroyed an Islamic school allegedly used as an Al-Qaeda-linked training camp near the Afghan border, killing up to 80 suspected militants.

Local leaders however insisted that most of the dead were teenage students, many of whom were “reduced to bits and pieces”, and protests erupted against the Pakistani government and its ally the United States.

The airstrike that targeted a madrassa in the troubled Bajaur tribal agency was one of the biggest ever in Pakistan’s frontier region, where many Al-Qaeda and Taliban insurgents have sought sanctuary since 2001.

“Information we have received from certain local sources and intelligence sources suggests that there may be about 80 dead,” chief military spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan told AFP.

“We had information about the presence of 70 to 80 miscreants, including some foreigners, who were engaging in militant training in this madrassa and we carried out an operation using gunship helicopters and precision weapons,” he said Monday.

“Most of the compound was destroyed.”

UPDATE at 10/30/06 12:28:31 pm:

The Blotter has more details, and a claim that the attack was carried out by the US, targeting Ayman al-Zawahri:

Despite earlier reports that the missiles had been launched by Pakistani military helicopters, Pakistani intelligence sources now tell ABC News that the missiles were fired from a U.S. Predator drone plane.

Between two and five senior al Qaeda militants were killed in the attack, including the mastermind of the airliners plot in the U.K., according to Pakistani intelligence sources.

No word yet on whether or not Zawahiri was killed in the raid, but one Pakistani intelligence source did express doubt that Zawahiri would have been staying in a madrassa, which is an obvious target for strikes against militants. That source, however, did express confidence that Pakistani intelligence is closing in on Zawahiri’s location.

One of the clerics who is believed to have been killed today, Maulana Liaquat, was one of the two main local leaders believed to be protecting Zawahiri.

UPDATE at 10/30/06 12:47:04 pm:

The Islamic groups are already in the streets in Karachi:

Pakistani students from the Islami Jamiat-e-Talba group chant slogans during a protest in Karachi October 30, 2006 against an army attack on a religious school in the Chenagai area of the Bajaur tribal region bordering Afghanistan. Pakistani army helicopters killed around 80 suspected militants on Monday in a dawn attack on the religious school run by a pro-Taliban commander wanted for harbouring al Qaeda fighters, a military spokesman said. REUTERS/Athar Hussain (PAKISTAN)

UPDATE at 10/30/06 5:04:33 pm:

The US military says, “We had nothing to do with it.”

“It was completely done by the Pakistani military,” U.S. military spokesman Maj. Matt Hackathorn said in Afghanistan.

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1 de La Valette  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:25:40am

Now claiming a Predator shot.

2 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:26:03am

ABC is reporting that it was the US with Predators looking for Zwahiri. They have confirmed 4 senior AQ assh*les as dead. I'll find the link ...

3 shug  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:26:04am

Reports I've heard from the islamofascist press say it was a Madrassa full of Students


Seething is Imminent

4 Abu Maven  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:26:22am

Posted this NY Times link earlier:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

5 ghengis was a wuss  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:26:57am

well that's 80 less beheaders in the world.
How many to go?

6 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:27:10am

the link (via drudge)

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

7 de La Valette  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:27:17am

Wow first, I'm usually last.

8 beblebrox  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:28:06am

STUDENTS?

You mean those kind full of everyone from kids to adults all sitting there screaming KILL, KILL, KILL over and over again?

9 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:28:12am

Massacre!

Now let's take out the madrassas in this country.

First make sure fatass Hooper is in one of them.

10 RTLM  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:29:29am

Good Start.

11 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:29:40am
karmic_inquisitor 10/30/2006 12:26PM PST

ABC is reporting that it was the US with Predators looking for Zwahiri. They have confirmed 4 senior AQ assh*les as dead. I'll find the link ...

Sniff, sniff?

Is that an October surprise I smell?

12 Abu Maven  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:29:47am

Zawahiri the target:

Ayman al Zawahiri was the target of a Predator missile attack this morning on a religious school in Pakistan, according to Pakistani intelligence sources.

ABC News has learned the raid was launched after U.S. intelligence received tips and examined Predator reconnaissance indicating that al Qaeda's No. 2 man may have been staying at the school, which is located in the Bajaur region near the village that is thought to be al Qaeda's winter headquarters.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

13 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:29:58am

#3 shug -

Of course they were students.

If you are being taught how to become terrorists by senior Al Qaeda clerics, you are "students."

Thing is that the western press buys such claims as "these are students" and "this was a school".

Same thing with the "wedding" we whacked last year - bunch of senior AQ planners there too.

14 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:30:36am

By Allah, the infidels will pay for this!

/not

15 gymnast  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:31:16am

Too bad it wasn't election day at the madrassa, or they could have gotten Jimmah Carter also.

16 TMF  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:32:10am

Zawahiri video to be relesaed w/in 48-72 hours

17 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:32:14am

While I'd hate it if children were there...

18 Fjordman  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:33:20am

The Norwegian government gave financial assistance to "educational facilities" in this region last year...

19 TMF  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:33:30am

MandyManners

Well I'd hate it to, but they use children as shields so its sort of inevitable, dont you think?

The other option of course would be the live and let live option.

20 Joel  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:34:10am

Let's see it is alright when we or Pakistan do a targetted killing but not ok when the IDF does the same thing?

21 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:34:19am
22 Asher Abrams  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:34:21am

"Reduced to bits and pieces" ... I kinda like that ...

But a definite second to 17.

23 Seattle Rep  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:34:47am

"Most of the compound was destroyed"

So these students most likely did not get a chance to run to their lockers and pull out their AKs and RPGs.

sad.

24 cicero05  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:35:18am
Despite earlier reports that the missiles had been launched by Pakistani military helicopters, Pakistani intelligence sources now tell ABC News that the missiles were fired from a U.S. Predator drone plane.

Obviously, the US has finally decided to impose some really tough educational standards on the Pakistani school system, and this one FAILED to measure up.

25 cicero05  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:37:09am

News Item: Next year's "Osama the Hero" celebration will be held in a smoking crater...

26 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:37:41am

Luckily NBC had a reporter imbedded with Al Qaeda...
NBC: On-scene at blasted Pakistan madrassa
'Terror' school where 80 killed linked to bin Laden and Taliban, locals say

NBC News’ Mushtaq Yusufzai was about a mile away from the Pakistan school and militant training camp — known as a madrassa — when it was attacked by Pakistani forces on Monday, killing an estimated 80 suspected militants.
...
Mohammed, the al-Qaida leader in the area, was one of the first people in the area to publicly support the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. He tells people that it is their responsibility to support the Taliban and Osama bin Laden because he says we are at war with people who are fighting Islam. He has said it is their responsibility to support mujahedeen and war with the West. The school was known as a strong supporter of the Taliban.

Mohammed’s deputy Maulana Liaquat Ali Hussain — a leader of the madrassa — was killed in the attack.

Mohammed has been accused of providing shelter to militants and even invited bin Laden’s deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, to the madrassa.

In his public speeches Mohammed has said it is our moral and religious obligation to support muhajadeen, to provide protection for muhajadeen, and shelter for others who have left their homes to perform jihad.

Mohammed was very emotional after the attack and swore jihad against what he called occupation forces.


Yet NBC still uses terror in quotes.

27 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:37:52am
Obviously, the US has finally decided to impose some really tough educational standards on the Pakistani school system, and this one FAILED to measure up.

Heh. A consequence of the "No Child Left Alive" Act.

28 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:38:06am

As usual, the inmates are leaving comments at the ABC news site.

Parody is so simple with these idiots.

29 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:38:26am

19 TMF

Live and let live is not an option with these assholes but I do not like it when children are killed. I'm not saying it's not okay. I just don't like it.

30 BH  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:38:30am

It's all part of the new No Jihadi Left Breathing effort.

31 Greg  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:38:33am

A good start...lets multiply by 100,000 times until they get the friggin' message...

32 TMF  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:38:50am

#24

LOL a hellfire would certainly have me second guessing that spitball on the blackboard

Musharaff stated "publically" in Jan that he would not allow US to conduct anymore attacks in Pakistan.

For him to put himself at risk domestically like this leads me to believe there were bigger fish there than some douschebag cleric.

33 ReverendYJ  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:38:58am

“reduced to bits and pieces”

“Most of the compound was destroyed.”


Boy, after reading that I feel all warm and fuzzy.

34 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:39:24am

This is big news in an area of the darkest Islamist tribalism. The US military needs to start operating full time in Waziristan, but it hasn't been allowed to take the fight to them directly. The question is why the tribal cheiftains allowed Musharraf to do this. Or did Washington finally put anough pressure on him to make something happen?

35 Dianna  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:39:40am

And ABC is breathlessly quoting Pakistani intelligence sources, why?

Do we really think a predator drone launched enough missiles to kill 80 people, or do we think the Pakistani Army made sure to kill the people they meant to kill by firing lots and lots of missiles?

Apply Occam's Razor.

36 friarstale  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:39:41am

the ABC and NYT stories don't match up very well

was it helicopters or predators?
did ground troops go in to determine who was killed?
maybe the helicopters brought the ground troops
how big was the school that one predator could take it out?

37 Enraged_Badger  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:39:45am

The BBC here in dear Londonistan (Badger's abode) is shilling this as a cruel attack on schoolkids.
'Students'. The new word! Not 'youths'! Nor 'Asians'! 'Students'!
Let's just call 'em 'carbon based bipeds' and be done with it!

38 Bill Jefferson  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:39:49am

The very title "Taliban" means one is a "student," and being an illegal combatant, one surely is a "civilian." Also being under 60, one is probably a "child." Thus we can rest assured that when we send OBL to hell, the American press will report "Bushitler kills civilian school child."

39 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:40:00am

#24 Cicero05

Obviously, the US has finally decided to impose some really tough educational standards on the Pakistani school system, and this one FAILED to measure up.

I knew Bush was serious about No Child Left Behind, but I didn't realise this was what he meant!

40 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:40:43am

Why do they hate us? Because we don't cotton their inviting mass-murderers over for dinner? I wouldn't have anything BUT the hatred of such "people." Yeah, sorry about that madrassa business. Perhaps reconsidering the talent brought to the venue is in quick order.

41 Dustoff-507  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:40:44am

By the look of the building.
They need to take a class in Build your home 101.


No rebarb anywhere.

42 CommonSense  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:41:11am

#3

Training for jihad would make one a student. Which is the norm for these UN welfare states.

43 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:42:13am

I have to wonder why all of the early reports quote eyewitnesses as saying that they say and heard 4 helicopters and now it is suddenly a US drone. Not to mention we aren't allowed to do that in Pakistan, right?

44 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:42:17am

Man, Dirk beat me to it.

45 Spiny Norman  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:43:10am
...a claim that the attack was carried out by the US, targeting Ayman al-Zawahri:

Had Al-Zawahiri been whacked, the Pakistanis would most certainly have claimed credit; since it didn't, they pass it off onto the USAF, so we can shoulder the "blame".

46 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:44:15am

#32 TMF

Musharaff stated "publically" in Jan that he would not allow US to conduct anymore attacks in Pakistan.

For him to put himself at risk domestically like this leads me to believe there were bigger fish there than some douschebag cleric.

That's what I'm thinking.

47 TMF  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:44:28am

Dust Off787

By the look of the building.
They need to take a class in Build your home 101.

Or "Not being dead 101"

48 beblebrox  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:44:51am

#29 MandyManners

I used to feel the same as you do with this but as the years have gone on I find myself growing more cold and more emotionless to the death and destruction of anything muslim. I'm not even angry anymore, I just feel nothing at all. I end up wondering with every news report of 30 dead here, 80 dead there, as to how it will help with the ultimate goal of the destruction of radical islam as a world force. I guess I should feel sad that I have come to this, but I don't even feel that anymore.

49 crosswire  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:45:34am

For a culture that has so many 'students', they don't seem to ever produce very much, huh. What do they major in? Misery?

50 Spiny Norman  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:46:19am

My #45

since it didn't,

Should be: "since he wasn't"

The perils of editing in a hurry.

51 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:46:20am

#34 Re: the Banjaur, it's actually several regions to the north of Waziristan on this map: [Link: www.pbs.org...]

Your basic tribal wasteland.

52 Dustoff-507  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:47:20am

#47 TMF


Or "Not being dead 101"

I think they ditched that class.

LOL

53 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:47:22am

There is no way a Predator could have caused that kind of damage unless it hit an explosive cache.
The drone is armed with a single Hellfire anti-tank missile, whose warhead weighs roughly 20 pounds. It is great against bunkers and vehicles but the former maddrassah looks to have taken several hits from much larger weapons, which would be consistent with the Pakistani officer's statement about "missiles and precision weapons." (This would not be redundant if the "precision weapons" were not self-propelled, ie guided bombs of some kind.)
My guess would be 2000 lb LGBs dropped from an F-16, with missile-firing helicopters also participating. The Predator could well have been providing reconnaisance or laser designation, hence the confused media leak.

54 cicero05  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:47:37am
Charles is also scheduled to visit a madrassa in Peshawar during his five-day tour as part of an focus on "inter-faith harmony".

What a tool.

55 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:47:39am

The NBC reports don't even match the NBC reports -

Pakistan strikes alleged al-Qaida center
Air attack kills up to 80 at religious school; Islamic leader says U.S. involved
IMAGE: RUBBLE FROM AIRSTRIKE
AP
The Pakistani airstrike on a religious school Monday near the Afghan border sent rubble flying over a broad area.

Updated: 20 minutes ago

CHINGAI, Pakistan - Pakistani troops backed by missile-firing helicopters on Monday struck a religious school purportedly being used as an al-Qaida training center, killing 80 people in what appeared to be the country’s deadliest-ever attack against suspected militants.

The country’s top Islamic political leader said American planes were used in the pre-dawn strike against the school — known as a madrassa — and called for nationwide protests Tuesday, claiming all those killed were innocent students and teachers. A U.S. military official denied any involvement in the attack in northwestern Pakistan, near the Afghan border.

An al-Qaida-linked militant who apparently was a primary target of the strike had left the building a half hour beforehand, a Pakistani official said.

56 Hankmeister  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:48:27am

Most of the dead were teenaged students?

I can believe that. Put another way, most of the dead were teenaged students of the Koran who fight or symathize with al Qaeda.

57 beblebrox  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:48:43am

#37 Enraged_Badger

Let's just call 'em 'carbon based bipeds' and be done with it!

how about Ugly bags of Mostly Water?

58 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:48:48am

#28 JammieWearingFool -

I tried to leave one but it must not have passed muster.

I basically tried to point out a few contradictions -

1) Where is the "we need to use our Allies" mantra? We were obviously using our ally Pakistan, which has a population that would like to see every American incinerated in a nuclear holocaust and felt that way well before 9/11.

2) The "our troops are bogged down in Iraq" doesn't fly - how in the hell would they find an area to operate in Pakistan? To any degree our troops bring on violence in Iraq by being there (which is a standard Murtha-esque claim), such would compound ten fold in Pakistan. So troops would never be part of the equation in Pakistan unless we want to invade the place (do I hear "illegal war" in the offing).

3) The notion that Democrats would be more effective in hunting down AQ in Pakistan is a complete joke, since they have stated they would empty the region of our troops and not take any "illegal actions" in implementing foreign policy. I am sure predators leveling madrasses is illegal - if nothing it probably violates local noise ordinances.

59 Prester John  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:49:18am

But, but, but, what about Foley, what about Lynn Cheney's lesbian love scene, what about Paris Hilton, Madonna.

OMG folks, have you no sense of what is important?!

60 gymnast  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:49:23am

#49, crosswire. Misery is a graduate course. Hate is the undergraduate prerequisite for entrance.

61 Hankmeister  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:49:31am

...or male Muslim teenagers who were Taliban. Either way, it's a good start.

62 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:50:27am

#49 crosswire

For a culture that has so many 'students', they don't seem to ever produce very much, huh. What do they major in? Misery?

Keep in mind that, until fairly recently, Pakistan was the country where many of the schools (non-madrassa type) were still using a science textbook written by some Khan or whatnot in the mid-1600s.

63 Greg  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:52:08am

I see the seething has started...whuppeee!

64 TMF  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:52:16am

Prester John

Lynn Cheney's lesbian love scene

Is that on video yet?

65 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:52:31am

#48 beblebrox

I feel that way at times but, I just cannot give into it completely.

66 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:53:12am

Anyone know what knid of attack helicopters Pakistan operates? Do they use the Apache, too? Or maybe a variant of the old AH-1 Cobra?

67 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:53:29am
#54 cicero05 10/30/2006 12:47PM PST

Charles is also scheduled to visit a madrassa in Peshawar during his five-day tour as part of an focus on "inter-faith harmony".

What a tool.

Cancelled. Whole day in Peshawar cancelled. BTW, did you notice that even though Pakistan is no longer a British Dominion, they still have a High Commissioner rather than an Ambassador? Telling.

68 Rootless Cosmo  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:53:40am

Attention Students: First, the good news: School will be ending early today...

69 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:53:55am

Bite it mf'ers!
WooHoo!

70 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:53:58am

The target wasn't neccessarily Zawahiri but some guy named "Mohammad." Surprise. Anyway - a couple days ago this genius held an open rally:"Mr. Mohammed had denounced the Pakistani and US governments and praised Osama bin Laden during a pro-Taliban rally of 5,000 in Damadola." So, this hero of the people invited attention to he and his by basically calling out the infidels. Well, the infidels answered.

"Mohammed, you really are an a**hole"

/some Brit-Pakistani punk now in Damadola after Mohammed pumped his fist, ran his mouth, and got the joint blowed-up.

71 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:54:11am

#37 Enraged_Badger
You're right, bbc has their own take on this...

Pakistan madrassa raid 'kills 80'

However, an eyewitness told the BBC that the madrassa school was filled with about 80 local students who had resumed studies after the Muslim Eid holidays.
...
"We heard helicopters flying in and then heard bombs," villager Haji Youssef said.

"We are all saddened by what we have seen."

A cabinet minister from Pakistan's North West Frontier Province, Siraj ul-Haq, has resigned in protest over the attack.

"This is a very wrong action. They [the victims] were not given any warning. This was an unprovoked attack on a madrassa. They were innocent people," Siraj ul-Haq told the Associated Press before resigning.
...
The BBC's Barbara Plett in Islamabad says Monday morning's attack coincides with peace talks between tribal elders and pro-Taleban militants in Bajaur.


A-boo-hoo-hoo

72 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:56:14am

Shock and awe. First the strike, shock! Then the international community's "Aw, they’re attacking schools!"

73 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:56:30am
#48 beblebrox 10/30/2006 12:44PM PST

#29 MandyManners

I used to feel the same as you do with this but as the years have gone on I find myself growing more cold and more emotionless to the death and destruction of anything muslim. I'm not even angry anymore, I just feel nothing at all. I end up wondering with every news report of 30 dead here, 80 dead there, as to how it will help with the ultimate goal of the destruction of radical islam as a world force. I guess I should feel sad that I have come to this, but I don't even feel that anymore.

You aren't alone. Pretty hard to have any sympathy left for people that seem to pretty much universally be dead set on treating each and every non-muslim like that 14 year old Assyrian boy they've martyred.

74 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:56:47am

how come we Americans never do anything fun like that picture?

I am sooo ready to do some Lebanon or "palestinian" flag stomping & burning.

75 Joe Mama  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:56:56am

Like two less lawyers, or a busload of Senators, it's a start.

School's. Out. Forever.

/pink floyd

76 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:57:06am

LGF is slipping. I have not seen a single Alice Cooper reference yet.

77 shortboard surfer  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:57:49am

Reuters count is up to 6. 2 yesterday. Are they sending pictures of smouldering teddy bears?

78 Chyron  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:59:00am

I think the jihadists give our country far too much credit, if they think we so closely control every action of every country we're allied with.

79 ProUSA  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:59:04am
Local leaders however insisted that most of the dead were teenage students, many of whom were “reduced to bits and pieces”, and protests erupted against the Pakistani government and its ally the United States.

Of course they will try to turn this agains the U.S. If they were in a Madrassa, they were by definition being trained to be terrorists.

80 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:59:22am

#71 Killgore Trout

For me calling them "students" is fine as long as they are curious what they are being taught in that building. It aint PE, Physical Science and Sex-Ed that's going on.

At 6am - Sura 1, First Prayers, and how to behead with dull knife

At 7am - Why Jews Smell Funny

At 8am - Michael Moore Film Festival

At 9am - Don't Worry, Chomsky's not a Jew

At 10am - How to Really Leave a Bruise on One's Wives

At 11am - Prayer and an hours free time with CNN International or BBC

At 12 noon - "That's My Camel: A Game for Boys"

81 BIG  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:59:38am

I hope that this means we only get poor quality audio tapes from Ayman al-Zawahri.

Afterall, that's all we get from bin Laden since we "missed" him in Tora Bora.

82 jwm  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:59:55am

How is it that the slimegoozlim get these nicely printed banners made and put on display so quickly?

JWM

83 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:59:59am
#77 shortboard surfer 10/30/2006 12:57PM PST

Reuters count is up to 6. 2 yesterday. Are they sending pictures of smouldering teddy bears?

6 huh? That must mean something is going down at al-reuters. Time to comb through all the photos and newsreports again.

84 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:00:11am

Just a reminder -

The word "Taliban" is Arabic for "Student".

One source. Just think - there was a time when USA Today actually looked at Islamist claims critically. In this case, it was 9/30/01.

85 Canadian Infidel  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:00:38am

The protesters came up with that sign pretty quickly. The English words are even spelled correctly; some one must be over-acheiving in their English as a Second Language course.

And you always have to love a group of people that hates the United States and Israel to the depths of their being but still are willing to spend their disposable income on our flags to walk on.

86 beblebrox  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:01:16am

#65 MandyManners
#73 galloping granny

I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that we are the generation that will have to condemn our souls to hell so that our children won't have to. By that I mean we are going to have to engage in some pretty heinous acts before this is all over in the hope that future generations won't have to worry about disappearing in a mushroom cloud while idiots dance in celebration half way around the world.

87 Joe Mama  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:01:19am

#76 Dirk

Doh! That is Alice Cooper.

I started out thinking of Yhe Wall and forgot to change gears.

88 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:01:47am

Why did we have to use our bombs and guns on these people? Why couldn't we simply just talk to them and get an understanding of why they hate us...

Clearly this is the fault of the Bush Administration and its illegal foreign policy that they are now invading another sovreign nation illegally...

/channelling LLL

89 Prester John  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:02:42am

#64 Unfortunately production has not yet started, so readers will have to use their imagination.

#53 My thoughts exactly, a Predator would have to have carried your basic BAM to do that kind of damage. Hopefully they got an upfront and personal demonstration on what an IED does when it explodes prematurely.

90 jwm  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:03:23am

#86 Beblebrox:
I have had the same thought myself.

JWM

91 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:03:48am

It's my understanding that the Muslim stooge and noted adulterer Prince Charles is in Pakistan as we speak, along with his consort, Snaggle-tooth.

No doubt the British leftist rags, led by Al Guardian, will develop an un-characteristic concern for royal dignity and denounce the US for clouding the festivities with this unconcionable attack on a peaceful schoolhouse.

92 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:05:09am

86 bablerox:

click on my football...read my quote!

93 William Wallace  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:06:09am

Flattening a radical madrassa. Sweet!

School's out forever!

94 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:06:40am
#86 beblebrox 10/30/2006 01:01PM PST

#65 MandyManners
#73 galloping granny

I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that we are the generation that will have to condemn our souls to hell so that our children won't have to. By that I mean we are going to have to engage in some pretty heinous acts before this is all over in the hope that future generations won't have to worry about disappearing in a mushroom cloud while idiots dance in celebration half way around the world.

If that is what you believe then you had better dig out the Good Book and think some more. I do think that we need to stop trying to fight with both hands tied behind our backs. And I do think that we need to stop accomodating The Great Lie. But if you belong to the One True G_d, G_d the Creator, the only thing that you can do to condemn your soul to eternal hell is to believe or claim to believe The Great Lie.

95 Neo  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:06:59am

Must have been a lot of students and wedding party attendees in the area to call on such an air strike!

96 Van Impe  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:07:03am

MSM would have us believe that a single hellfire missile fired by a Predator drone can destroy a whole school complex and kill 80 people and that an Israeli missile fired on an ambulance would only punch a small hole in the roof, leaving rest of the vehicle intact, including the windshield. MSM needs to hire some fact checkers with military experience.

97 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:07:21am

The word "Taliban" is Arabic for "Student".

Actually it isn't. Talib is Arabic for student and Tulaab is plural for students.

/Just being a pedantic jerk like Occasional "Power Bottoms".

98 cicero05  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:07:25am

If this was really a terrorist training camp, then where are the monkeybars?

Everyone knows that islamic terrorist training is based on achieving proficiency on the monkeybars.

99 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:07:35am

Looking at that photograph kinda' relieves my mind if they are representative of the "students" killed in the attack. It's just that I thought of my six-year-old son in his classroom when I saw the word "student."

I'm trying to wrap my mind around it being acceptable to kill little kids in order to take out people who've planned/are planning attacks against the West.

I hate Islam. I hate that we are forced to kill in order to live.

I'm in a foul mood. I think I'll go home and kick the cat.

100 funkyfantom  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:08:38am

If 100 of these raids was carried out EVERY DAY, then we could win the war against Islamofascism.

This is but a drop in the bucket- a token. Musharaff is probably arguing right now, OK guys, you got what you wanted, now back off for the next couple of years.

101 jimmytheclaw  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:09:08am

Pakistan Wipes Out Al Qaeda Madrassa

shouldnt the headline read

Pakistan Wipes Out Al Qaeda Terrorist Factory

102 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:09:51am

Ah, the joys of studying in the madrassa. You never know when the infidels or their minions will provide additional ventilation at taxpayer expense.

This incident reportedly occurred overnight, which suggests that it was US forces directing the fire (if not launching the raid itself). Does a single Predator have enough firepower to take out an entire compound (perhaps if there were secondary explosions because the madrassa doubled as a guns and ammo school for terror training)?

The locals say that they were mostly students... but what exactly does that mean. They were still be learning at the feet of the terror minions, learning jihad and all the rest. Their age is irrelevant. Their motives are not.

103 beblebrox  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:09:52am

#92 WrathofG-d

Those Founding Fathers were some smart SOB's. We have become so comfortable in our lives that we have lost the concept of what we even have, let alone the fact it is something worth fighting for.

104 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:10:40am

Guess the school wasn't a Predator-Free Zone.

105 Rootless Cosmo  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:11:08am

You know, I really think it is the fault of the students and their mentors. Afterall, if you gather in a group chanting "death to America" and "America is the great satan", is it not like leaving fresh meat around your school without wrapping it properly? Any predator will circle around again, note the unwrapped meat and attempt to make something useful of the situation...like hamburger.

Really, this is not our fault. They should not have enticed us this way.

106 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:12:30am

Another gift from the Koskidz...
October Surprise that Missed: Zawahiri Assassination Attempt kills 80


First, it's curious that the ABC report omits the 80 civilian deaths that were claimed in the earlier Reuters report.
...
Second, it appears the attack jumped the gun. No one is claiming Zawahiri died in the attack, and the mention of 2-5 militants sound like a little sugar to cover the bitter taste of that failure. This suggests that the operation was approved by someone in the Bush administration for political reasons rather than tactical ones. I don't know if the intel was wrong, or simply unconfirmed, but the decision to kill 80 people on the hope that you might get Zawahiri on the eve of the election seems rather risky and represents a rather callous disregard for human life.

...
This attack and the resultant slaughter will likely result in a hardening of the Islamist militants' attitudes toward negotiating a deal with the dictator, and will make it all the more likely that future coup attempts, or even a full blown revolt against the regime may come to fruition.

Gotta love the Koskidz.

107 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:12:33am

#76 Dirk Diggler

LGF is slipping. I have not seen a single Alice Cooper reference yet.

It's not that we're slipping...we can't even think of a word to rhyme.

108 akak  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:13:55am

any reaction from Mushrsoft yet?

109 Neo  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:15:18am

WTC on Sept. 11 according to the left: "Legitimate target."

Alleged "wedding parties" in the middle of nowhere, with small arms fire against overflying aircraft (according to the left): "Massacred civilians, humanitarian disaster."

Successful raid in Afghanistan against armed insurgents/taliban fighters (according to the left): "80 civilians killed by NATO soldiers."

Bias? Nahhh!

110 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:15:46am

#99 MM

Spare the cat. Just visit a local Borders and transplant some Korans into the Homosexuality Reader section. It's harmless idiocy but you'll snicker and you'll really confuse staff scanning the shelves. Hakim Bey (that nut) would call such a thing "poetic terrorism".

111 Bobblehead  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:16:43am

Maybe we took out the traitorous Adam What's His Name.

Wishful thinking.

112 Dianna  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:17:12am

Have they burned out a KFC or defaced a Ronald McDonald figure yet?

113 William Wallace  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:18:23am

Why would anyone agonize about flattening a place used by al Qaeda for meetings?

If those scumbags are there, we need to take them out (or have our allies do it).

If innocent civilians are killed, it's their fault for exposing them. That's what the Geneva Conventions say.

And if the civilians are really not civilians or really not innocent, then the result is actually good.

And now a little levity: Don't the critics know that an al Qaeda affiliated madrassa is like raw meat left out in the open?

114 dll2000  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:19:32am

Most people in this region are illiterate in their own language.

Who makes their signs in English? How do they know what it says? Does the AP do it for them?

Wouldnt it be funny to give them signs in English that say things other than what they think they say?

Like; Vote Democrat Today! Help us Kill Americans and Jews, sometimes both!

I Heart Nancy Pelosi!

I am a Brainwashed Idiot!

115 _remembertonyc  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:19:43am

acceptable collateral damage as far as I am concerned.

116 Neo  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:19:54am

A mantra of the left is that we *must* inspect 100% of all inbound cargo containers. The pundits then tut-tut about how this is impossible, we are doomed, DOOOMED!

Reality is, we don't need inspections of 100% of inbound cargo *if* we know *which* inbound shipment is being targeted by terrorists/bad guys. We can then act *before* the container leaves the foreign port or intercept the ship on the high-seas and deal with the jihadis directly.

This is why we need not carpet bomb Pakistan, Afghanistan or Iraq. If we know where the baddies are, or their leaders are, and we act quick enough, we can take them out surgically. Ask KSM or Zarqawi (oh wait, he refused to go out like Zip & Zap Hussein) about that.

117 tgrossner  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:20:10am

This weeks forcast: Dark and cloudy with 30% chance of throat cutting. Expect flurry of suicide bombers by Saturday.

118 Peacekeeper  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:20:21am

They did the mash! They did the Madrassa Mash!
The Madrassa Mash! It was a Jihad Smash!
They did the Mash! They vaporized in flash!
They did the Mash! They did the Madrassa Mash!

Faquir was having fun
The praying had just begun. Facing Mecca, with guns on rugs
Suddenly they're feeding crows and bugs.
They did the Mash!

119 da lai lager  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:20:33am

# 71

"The BBC's Barbara Plett in Islamabad says Monday morning's attack coincides with peace talks between tribal elders and pro-Taleban militants in Bajaur.'

Was Ms. Plett teary-eyed when she made her report?

Did she lose any close friends among the terrorists?

120 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:20:40am

#110 Eric Cartman's Conscience

My cat thanks you.

121 plutosdad  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:21:20am

Well, their fighters ARE teenagers. So are most of the world's fighters. That is not surprising.

It sounds like just another case of terrorists hiding among children and using them then the world gets angry at the West when these kids die, instead of getting mad at the terrorists.

122 Chyron  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:21:41am
#113 William Wallace 10/30/2006 01:18PM PST

And now a little levity: Don't the critics know that an al Qaeda affiliated madrassa is like raw meat left out in the open?

I know whenever I see raw meat left out in the open, I just have to barbecue it.

123 akak  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:21:45am

Helicopter gunships fired four to five missiles into the madrassa in Chingai, said army spokesman Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan.

124 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:22:21am

#111 Bobblehead
Ooh, that would be nice.

125 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:22:58am

#118 Peacekeeper

I shouldn't have but, I laughed.

126 J.D.  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:23:03am

#106 Killgore Trout
Who didn't see that coming?

127 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:23:40am

Hey I am starting to learn this Arabic language pretty good.

mosque = ammunition dump
madrrasas = training camp/indoctrination center
imam = colonel
sheik = general
infidel = anybody not in my clan
martyr = idiot to stupid to figure out how to use a gun
insurgent = has his own gun / RPG launcher
inshallah = sh*t happens
Allah Akbar = I will die screaming

128 beblebrox  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:24:00am

#94 galloping granny

I was speaking figuratively, of course. However, I will employ a Star Trek Quote (my guide book to matters life):

...We fight on their level.
With trickery, brutality, finality.
We match their evil...
...There is no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy.
There is nothing good in war except its ending...

Abraham Lincoln: The Savage Curtain

129 CrimsonFisted  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:24:11am

#3 shug 10/30/2006 12:26PM PST

Reports I've heard from the islamofascist press say it was a Madrassa full of Students


Seething is Imminent

UPDATE at 10/30/06 12:47:04 pm:

The Islamic groups are already in the streets in Karachi:


21 minutes. How did they make that banner so quickly?

130 Dianna  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:24:18am

#123 akak

In other words, it was a Pakistani operation.

Why am I so exasperated? It's much more fun to believe a single predator drone did it. Even when we know it's all about deflecting blame onto the US, as always.

131 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:25:22am

Only militants in a madrassa?

No students?

No teachers?

No janitors?

Oh. Sorry. It was the US that bombed it. Not Israel.

132 bweep  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:26:08am

#38 Bill Jefferson

Also being under 60, one is probably a "child."

I think I can clear that one up. Whether you're an adult or child in the madrassa is determined by whether you're catching or pitching after lights out.

133 Aegius  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:26:09am
“We had information about the presence of 70 to 80 miscreants, including some foreigners, who were engaging in militant training in this madrassa and we carried out an operation using gunship helicopters and precision weapons,” he said Monday.

Miscreant? A child throwing spitballs is a miscreant. This guys are hate-drunk scum. Let them die.

Despite earlier reports that the missiles had been launched by Pakistani military helicopters, Pakistani intelligence sources now tell ABC News that the missiles were fired from a U.S. Predator drone plane.

With the Pakistani gov.'s permission of course. So what?


Between two and five senior al Qaeda militants were killed in the attack, including the mastermind of the airliners plot in the U.K., according to Pakistani intelligence sources.

I think that I'll go to Starbucks and get a drink. Thanks for letting me know.


No word yet on whether or not Zawahiri was killed in the raid, but one Pakistani intelligence source did express doubt that Zawahiri would have been staying in a madrassa, which is an obvious target for strikes against militants. That source, however, did express confidence that Pakistani intelligence is closing in on Zawahiri’s location.

One of the clerics who is believed to have been killed today, Maulana Liaquat, was one of the two main local leaders believed to be protecting Zawahiri.

Maybe I'll get a pizza instead, or atleast lots of kettle korn with a 7-up. We should have a party!

Oh, and Pakistani college students protested? YAWN. Did their counterparts at UC Berkely protest too?


134 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:26:31am
135 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:26:46am

#114 dll 2000

"Who makes their signs in English? How do they know what it says? Does the AP do it for them?"

Most educated Pakistanis can read and write English, though with a recognizable idiom. Beyond that, there are many, many American and British leftists in all parts of the world to provide propaganda assistance to anti-American forces. We have the ISM in Israel, Indymedia and various campus leftist operations throughout Latin America, and a steady stream of US and British Muslims and tools heading to the madrassahs and media outlets of the Muslim world.

Beyond that, interning with a leftist outlet such as Mother Jones or Indymedia has long been a good career move for upper middle class dilettantes who aspire to a career in the MSM.

136 Chyron  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:26:54am
#129 CrimsonFisted 10/30/2006 01:24PM PST

21 minutes. How did they make that banner so quickly?

It's not like they do anything important, like work. Work gets in the way of seething. Plus who can get any work done when you have to stop to pray five times a day?

137 TotallySirius  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:27:13am

The new mouthpiece of terrorism,CNN is condemning the attacks for killing "innocent atudents and teachers".

CNN terrorism propaganda

138 Dustoff-507  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:27:36am

#118 Peacekeeper


They did the mash! They did the Madrassa Mash!
The Madrassa Mash! It was a Jihad Smash!
They did the Mash! They vaporized in flash!
They did the Mash! They did the Madrassa Mash!

Thanks buddy... Coke coming out my nose and all over my screen! LOL

139 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:27:39am

#126 J.D.
I'm surpised every time the koskidz fail to surprise me.

140 mardukhai  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:27:59am

I'm taking a break for a while, literally stressed out by the news. Will resume posting when I can.

-- Mardukhai

141 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:28:36am

#133 Aegius

Despite earlier reports that the missiles had been launched by Pakistani military helicopters, Pakistani intelligence sources now tell ABC News that the missiles were fired from a U.S. Predator drone plane.


Was that before or after Musharraf found out that the Zarq man made it out alive? The man has to CYA before the fatwa is issued.

142 Carolyn  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:28:41am

allah's will!

143 locutus  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:28:43am

It doesn't matter anymore. No matter what America does, or doesn't do, America is wrong. No matter what Bush says, or doesn't say, Bush is wrong. We can't win for losing.

Ignore the MSM, you'll be much happier.

144 jamgarr  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:28:55am

#48 bebelbrox

Nothing that a good Pan-Galactic Gargleblaster couldn't cure.

145 akak  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:29:40am

"This is a very wrong action. They [the victims] were not given any warning," Mr ul-Haq told AP.

/lol

146 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:30:44am
#140 mardukhai 10/30/2006 01:27PM PST
I'm taking a break for a while, literally stressed out by the news. Will resume posting when I can.

When I'm stressed, I go to my happy place.

147 beblebrox  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:31:33am

#144 jamgarr

Did that Saturday night. I ended up dressed as Caesar wearing a Marie Antoinette wig.

148 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:31:57am
149 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:32:22am
#128 beblebrox 10/30/2006 01:24PM PST

#94 galloping granny

I was speaking figuratively, of course. However, I will employ a Star Trek Quote (my guide book to matters life):

...We fight on their level.
With trickery, brutality, finality.
We match their evil...
...There is no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy.
There is nothing good in war except its ending...

Abraham Lincoln: The Savage Curtain

Never speak figuratively about selling your soul.

150 Enraged_Badger  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:32:48am
#99 MandyManners 10/30/2006 01:07PM PST
I hate Islam. I hate that we are forced to kill in order to live.

I'm in a foul mood. I think I'll go home and kick the cat.


Don't forget to leave out the 'uncovered meat' for the cat first.
Actually I love cats. And dogs. (I hate people who hate pets...ergo...the Religion of Pet Hatred').

BBC is still shrieking about 'students'. For goodness sake, guys, this is not cake-walk! It's WAR. Not dance-round-the-nutmeg-tree time.

Enraged Badger, 'uncovered meat' and proud of it!

151 Dustoff-507  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:32:53am

#146 Mandy

When I'm stressed, I go to my happy place.

I give up with her... YOU GO GIRL! LOL

152 Aegius  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:33:00am
#127 Just_A_Grunt

Hey I am starting to learn this Arabic language pretty good.

Maybe but you need a little help with your English.


martyr = idiot to stupid to figure out how to use a gun

I'm referring to the word "to" here as in "to stupid."

It should have been "TOO stupid." The word "too" referst to excessive or not enough. "To" is the preposition, which you used correctly and "two" is for the number 2.

153 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:33:00am

#116 Neo

Reality is, we don't need inspections of 100% of inbound cargo *if* we know *which* inbound shipment is being targeted by terrorists/bad guys.

What are you saying...that the government should spy on people? That's an erosion of civil rights!
/Marvin Moonbat

154 TotallySirius  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:33:48am

OT

I ordered an LGF T-shirt around the end of Sept,hopefully it gets here in time for election day(6 weeks is cutting it close).

My question is:

Will an LGF T-shirt get me kicked out of the polls?

I tend to think no because it doesn't endorse anything but anti-idiotarianism but there just might be some LLL type savvy enough to bitch about it.

I could just wear a jacket and a guilty smile.

155 crabtree  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:33:53am

"Local leaders however insisted that most of the dead were teenage students"

They seem to think that "teenage students" and "Al-Qaeda militants" are mutually exclusive terms.

156 just another four-letter word  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:34:16am

#76 Dirk Diggler

LGF is slipping. I have not seen a single Alice Cooper reference yet.

Only women [bigoted word]s bleed?

JAFLW

157 shortboard surfer  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:34:21am
Cheny hits the preditor drone switch himself as he gleefully kills women and children at prayer in a islamic church as they assembled to take up a collection for sick children from Manhattan NY.

Sorry, tfk, Bush was the fighter pilot.

158 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:34:24am
#145 akak 10/30/2006 01:29PM PST

"This is a very wrong action. They [the victims] were not given any warning," Mr ul-Haq told AP.

/lol

Something tells me that 14 year old Assyrian boy who had his head sawn off because he was Christian was not given any warning. Nor was that fine American soldier butchered in front of us all on CNN.

159 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:34:37am

#152 Aegius
Or it could just be a typo by somebody typing too fast.

160 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:34:37am

#75 Joe Mama

School's. Out. Forever.

/pink floyd


Alice Cooper

161 beblebrox  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:35:49am

#149 galloping granny

Never speak figuratively about selling your soul.

Sorry if I offended, it was not my intention. As I am perhaps the most non-spiritual, non religious person I know, I sometimes use language that disturbs those who are.

162 J.D.  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:35:56am
163 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:36:27am

#160 Rancher

No, wait, Alice Cooper was:

Schools out completely.
164 Matticus Finch  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:36:34am

Now that's just ridiculous. 80 dead? How is allah gonna come up with 5,760 virgins on such short notice?

165 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:36:42am
#152 Aegius 10/30/2006 01:33PM PST

#127 Just_A_Grunt

Hey I am starting to learn this Arabic language pretty good.

Maybe but you need a little help with your English.


martyr = idiot to stupid to figure out how to use a gun

I'm referring to the word "to" here as in "to stupid."

It should have been "TOO stupid." The word "too" referst to excessive or not enough. "To" is the preposition, which you used correctly and "two" is for the number 2.

And who do you think you are exactly to correct Grunt's spelling? The spelling police?

166 Kained  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:37:36am

Ahhh the BBC at it again. If it's not the Jews it must be the Christians!

Spooks
Mon 30 Oct, 9:00 pm - 10:00 pm 60mins

When a Muslim cleric is shot dead on the steps of the high court, MI5 race to find out who is behind the killing. Uncovering an extremist Christian, determined to incite a race war, Adam must find a way to unravel his organisation before disaster strikes.

Opening scene is a Christian shooting a Muslim cleric, decrying the enemies of Christ will die, then shooting himself. It goes down hill from there.

167 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:37:37am
#164 Matticus Finch 10/30/2006 01:36PM PST

Now that's just ridiculous. 80 dead? How is allah gonna come up with 5,760 virgins on such short notice?

ROFLMAO! Now THAT is funny! We should get Charles to install a virgin counter for us.

168 J.D.  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:37:50am

#154 Totally Sirius

I could just wear a jacket and a guilty smile.


I dunno. That might result in some unwanted attention.
Go ahead and wear pants, too.

169 tfc3rid  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:38:01am

Well, glad that we are still at the very least sparrihng in this war...

Now if we could only take out another 400,000 of these places...

170 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:38:32am

Confederate Yankee has more, as does Bill Roggio. It's still unclear whether this was a Pakistani operation or a US special forces op, but the results are pretty good.

And I concur with CY, who thinks that the discrepancy between the 20 bodies being displayed and the count of 80 is because the Taliban/al Qaeda took their 60 other members before they could be ID'd by Pakistani or US forces. They had to hide their numbers because it would show that they're not only losing bigtime, but their leaders got waxed.

171 Aegius  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:38:39am
#159 Just_A_Grunt

#152 Aegius
Or it could just be a typo by somebody typing too fast.

Good point. It's not like when I saw someone use the word "they're" rather than "there" as an obvious misuse of grammar.

However I have seen that mistake of using "too" rather than "to" on various occasions before.

172 tgrossner  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:38:50am
"The government has launched an attack during the night, which is against Islam and the traditions of the area," Siraj ul-Haq, a Cabinet minister from the North West Frontier Province, told the AP. Ul-Haq said he would resign in protest.

Uhhmmm...So you throat cutting, bomb-throwers have rules of engagement? OK, got it...no night time attacks. That would be unfair. Yup...unfair.

173 Dianna  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:39:09am

#165 galloping granny

No; you can tell by this sentence:

The word "too" referst to excessive or not enough.

Perhaps we should all remember that Preview is our Friend?

174 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:39:38am

#165 granny
With my typing skills if everybody spent time correcting my grammar and the fact that sometimnes I jsut get in ahurry and leave words out nobody would get to post on topic. I have been kind of scarce lately due to the demands of the job but I would love to see what he thinks of tfk.
/no offense taken Aegius I know you were trying to help I am smiling. :)

175 Dustoff-507  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:39:50am

#164 Matticus


How is allah gonna come up with 5,760 virgins on such short notice?


NICE... (-:

176 Aegius  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:40:32am
#165 galloping granny

#152 Aegius 10/30/2006 01:33PM PST

#127 Just_A_Grunt

Hey I am starting to learn this Arabic language pretty good.

Maybe but you need a little help with your English.


martyr = idiot to stupid to figure out how to use a gun

I'm referring to the word "to" here as in "to stupid."

It should have been "TOO stupid." The word "too" referst to excessive or not enough. "To" is the preposition, which you used correctly and "two" is for the number 2.

And who do you think you are exactly to correct Grunt's spelling? The spelling police?

The Grammar and Spelling Police: To correct and to serve!

177 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:41:03am
#161 beblebrox 10/30/2006 01:35PM PST

#149 galloping granny

Never speak figuratively about selling your soul.

Sorry if I offended, it was not my intention. As I am perhaps the most non-spiritual, non religious person I know, I sometimes use language that disturbs those who are.

I do not believe in religion. To quote a famous Jew, "religion is of man, not of G_d."

You did not offend me. Your language did not disturb me. Ultimately, however, this fight is a fight between those who love the light and those who worship the dark. You may not yet know G_d, but He knows you.

178 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:41:14am

Spelling police? Honestly officer, if spell check can't pick it up what the hell am I supposed to due?

179 jamgarr  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:41:23am

#147 bebelbrox

Did that Saturday night. I ended up dressed as Caesar wearing a Marie Antoinette wig.

On which head?

180 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:42:17am

80 in Pakistan
80 in Iraq
What, is everybodies counter stuck?

181 Dianna  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:42:29am

#176 Aegius

You'll have to thrash that out with the Goddess of the Classroom and me.

182 NoSubmission  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:42:34am

I had a little 'khalwat' this weekend and damn glad of it!

183 Dustoff-507  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:44:11am

#178 Rancher

Spelling police? Honestly officer, if spell check can't pick it up what the hell am I supposed to due?


LOL, come on guys I'm never going to finish my Coke.

I need more paper towels for my screen again!

184 beblebrox  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:44:29am

#177 galloping granny

I do not believe in religion. To quote a famous Jew, "religion is of man, not of G_d."

Glad we can agree on that point. I do my damnedest to live a moral, decent life, but I think those who blindly adhere to any belief set is what got islam this situation in the first place.

185 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:44:34am
#174 Just_A_Grunt 10/30/2006 01:39PM PST

#165 granny
With my typing skills if everybody spent time correcting my grammar and the fact that sometimnes I jsut get in ahurry and leave words out nobody would get to post on topic. I have been kind of scarce lately due to the demands of the job but I would love to see what he thinks of tfk.
/no offense taken Aegius I know you were trying to help I am smiling. :)

I used to type nearly 100 wpm error free on a manual. And once upon a time I was a spelling bee state champion. Seen my 4 am posts? And have I ever typed tommorrow tomorrow tommorow for you? It is not always fun to too two 2 get old

186 Quintus_Arius  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:46:30am

"No jihadi left behind"

187 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:46:58am
#180 Just_A_Grunt 10/30/2006 01:42PM PST

80 in Pakistan
80 in Iraq
What, is everybodies counter stuck?

You forgot the 80 in Afghanistan the other day by NATO. Lets see that is 80 x 3 x 72 virgins apiece: 17280 virgins! WOW!

188 dll2000  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:48:52am

#135 Shiplord

It would be great for someone with a camera to ask people at ANSWER rally's or wherever they are burning flags and screaming death to America - what U.S. politicians they support and why?

Then post the answers on U-tube and blogs. Not that it will make any difference to the moonbats, but it might make a difference to those not paying attention.

189 beblebrox  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:49:05am
You forgot the 80 in Afghanistan the other day by NATO. Lets see that is 80 x 3 x 72 virgins apiece: 17280 virgins! WOW!

They'll have plenty to choose from from the 300,000 innocent people butchered by the American war criminals in Iraq.

/LLL mode off

190 new_tommy  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:49:47am

I think those crazy Danish people were behind this attack. I've heard rumors that fliers with offensive Muhammad cartoons were dropped over Karachi around the time of the assault.

I blame the Danes.

191 beblebrox  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:50:23am

#179 jamgarr

the drunk one.

192 Dustoff-507  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:50:36am

#187 G Granny

You forgot the 80 in Afghanistan the other day by NATO. Lets see that is 80 x 3 x 72 virgins apiece: 17280 virgins! WOW!

THAT's IT.

putting can of coke down.
/I'm never going to finish thing, except just wear it. (-:

193 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:50:39am

My idea of an October surprise:

Threaten or bribe the MSM into running the Dixie Chicks conspiracy theory movie commercial, and doing so at a saturation level.

I am convinced that the MSM are suppressing this because it is so over the top, inflammatory, and moronic it would work against the Democrats.
(The commercial unambiguously attributes the collapse of the Chicks' career to a Bush administration conspiracy. Rove himself could have written it as black propaganda.)

Since leftists like Alan "Strawman" Colmes are pressing so hard for this (probably in the belief that NBC will not cave), it can be attributed to complaints from "progressives."

194 NoSubmission  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:50:47am

#187 galloping granny

Actually its 72 virgins in each of the 72 rooms in the imagined mansion of paradise.. so times that by 80...

so, basically they're looking at 414,720 virgins.

so total for both is 829,440.

195 jamgarr  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:52:21am

#191

LOL!

196 kathyn  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:54:41am

Now if every single madrassa could be wiped out, I'd say we were getting somewhere.

197 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:55:32am
#194 NoSubmission 10/30/2006 01:50PM PST

#187 galloping granny

Actually its 72 virgins in each of the 72 rooms in the imagined mansion of paradise.. so times that by 80...

so, basically they're looking at 414,720 virgins.

so total for both is 829,440.

You would think they would get sick of virgins.

198 adilo  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:56:15am

#114 dll2000

I am a Brainwashed Idiot!


now that's funny + a good idea. Seems do-able given these illiterates.
Note to self: spell check this thoroughly.

199 Dadzilla  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:58:36am

IF Pakistan really did nail these jihadis it evokes two responses from me 1. Thank You 2.Why now? After it seemed like Pakistan sold out in Waziristan. or is this signaling a major change in policy against the jihadi? Either way Musharraf's balls are in a vice now with his people for this action.

200 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:58:57am
201 Dustoff-507  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 11:59:57am
You would think they would get sick of virgins.


Where do they find all these VIRGINS?

202 Dianna  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:00:00pm

#198 Adilo

I second your approval!

#114 dll2000

I am a Brainwashed Idiot!


now that's funny + a good idea. Seems do-able given these illiterates.
Note to self: spell check this thoroughly.

Or, how about:

Proud members of rent-a-mob #248 (or any other randomly generated number)?

203 J.D.  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:00:04pm

More virgins needed STAT!

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - NATO troops fought a six-hour battle with insurgents in southern Afghanistan Monday in a firefight that left 55 militants and one NATO soldier dead, the Western alliance said.

Twenty militants also were wounded in the fight in the Daychopan district of Zabul province, NATO said. ...


NATO: 55 insurgents die in Afghanistan

204 RTLM  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:00:54pm

OT breaking

Looks like they got 2 Skinhead types in connection with the So Cal Fire that killed four Firefighters.

Remember that Nazi's and Islamists are Brothers in Arms.

Link forthcoming.

205 godfrey  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:01:34pm
70 to 80 miscreants, including some foreigners

LOL Imagine a U.S. official talking like that.

206 ZionistYoungster  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:02:47pm

Re the protestor photo: they spelled it wrong. It's supposed to be "Condmn", as in "We Condmn Pope Remarks Against Islam", remember?

207 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:03:26pm

A small town had two churches, Presbyterian and Methodist, and a Synagogue. All three had a serious problem with squirrels in their building. Each in its own fashion had a meeting to deal with the problem.

The Presbyterians decided that it was predestined that squirrels be in the church and that they would just have to live with them.

The Methodists decided they should deal with the squirrels lovingly in the style of Charles Wesley. They humanely trapped them and released them in a park at the edge of town. Within 3 days, they were all back in the church.

The Jews simply voted the squirrels in as members. Now they only see them at Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur.

208 Chyron  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:03:32pm
#197 galloping granny 10/30/2006 01:55PM PST

You would think they would get sick of virgins.

Some comedian said it in the past:

"To hell with 72 virgins. Give me one girl from Jersey who knows what she's doing."

I also question where all these virgins are coming from, since apparently most women are residing in hell (according to the RoP), and the rest are being raped by relatives.

209 NoSubmission  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:03:56pm

197 galloping granny

You would think they would get sick of virgins.

You'd think they'd be sick of blowing themselves up, threatending, kidnapping, sawing off heads, raping women and seething 24 hrs a day too! Awfully busy for such a backwards group of 7th-centuray morons!

210 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:04:23pm
211 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:05:22pm

A koala is sitting up a gum tree smoking a joint when a little lizard walks past and looks up and says

"Hey Koala ! What are you doing?"

The koala says: "Smoking a joint, come up and have some."

So the little lizard climbs up and sits next to the koala and they have a few joints.

After a while the little lizard says his mouth is 'dry' and is going to get a drink from the river.

But the little lizard is so stoned that he leans too far over and falls into the river.

A crocodile sees this and swims over to the little lizard and helps him to the side, then asks the little lizard: "What's the matter with you?"

The little lizard explains to the crocodile that he was sitting smoking a joint with the koala in the tree, got too stoned and then fell into the river while taking a drink. The crocodile says he has to check this out and walks into the rain forest, finds the tree where the koala is sitting finishing a joint, and he looks up

And says

"Hey you!"

So the koala looks down at him and says:
"Shiiit dude...how much water did you drink?!"

212 NoSubmission  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:05:27pm

209
PIMF
'century'! not centuray!

/heading home now...

213 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:05:32pm
214 godfrey  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:07:05pm

buzz

What are the mullahs handing out in payment these days? An extra stick of charred goat?

215 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:09:19pm

213 ploome hineni

He's gay?! What a waste!

216 Wanderer  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:09:24pm

Intriguing! What were all those young local students studying at that madrassas after midnight. What a barrage of scat filled 9incredulous suppositions keep rolling off from the lamestream media morons reports.
Let's hope the lamestream continues to reveal themselves as mindless leftist tools of the enemy.

217 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:09:58pm

Oh shit...

Someone set Many off and running!

218 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:11:59pm

What to make of this?

US-Led Military Thrust Focuses Heavily on Broad Naval Deployment

Hundreds of US and allied war ships foregathered in the strategic seas of the Middle East and India in the last days of October 2006 for two primary missions: To prepare for a US-led military strike against Iran which has stepped up its uranium enrichment program with a second centrifuge project - undeterred by the prospect of UN sanctions; and measures to fend off palpable al Qaeda threats to oil targets.

DEBKAfile’s military sources provide details of the massive deployments.

219 J.D.  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:12:36pm

U.S., allies hold anti-WMD drill at Iran's doorstep

...Iran said it was unconcerned about the exercise but warned those participating not to destabilize the region.

"Given the amicable ties among countries of the region and the powerful presence of ... Iran as standard bearer of peace, justice and security, there is no room for any concern," the official IRNA news agency quoted government spokesman Gholamhossein Elham as saying. ...

220 ckb  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:12:54pm

Two questions:

Can a predator really carry enough ordinance to destroy a 'compound'? 2 predators? 10 predators? Could it just be the Pakistani's trying to deflect criticism, with the US willing to accept it?

How can such professional-looking made-for-the-event-looking-good-on-CNN protest sinage appear within hours after an event?

221 JOB  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:14:04pm

Pakistan does what we will not do, brutalize the enemy.

222 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:14:20pm

#204 RTLM

I can see the MSM headlines now: Right-Wing Christians Arrested in Arson.

223 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:16:11pm
#220 ckb 10/30/2006

How can such professional-looking made-for-the-event-looking-good-on-CNN protest sinage appear within hours after an event?

Perhaps they have a really good PR department.

224 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:16:17pm
225 J.D.  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:16:34pm

#218 JWF

Also Oct. 29, , supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei replaced Iran’s air force chief, Karim Qavami...


An American trained pilot.

226 freedom rings  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:16:52pm

Just to clarify the virgin thingie:

Virgins? What virgins?

It is widely believed that Muslim 'martyrs' enjoy rich sensual rewards on reaching paradise. A new study suggests they may be disappointed.
Ibn Warraq reports
Saturday January 12, 2002
The Guardian

...Luxenberg tries to show that many obscurities of the Koran disappear if we read certain words as being Syriac and not Arabic. We cannot go into the technical details of his methodology but it allows Luxenberg, to the probable horror of all Muslim males dreaming of sexual bliss in the Muslim hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed houris promised to the faithful in suras XLIV.54; LII.20, LV.72, and LVI.22. Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

227 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:18:27pm
228 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:19:16pm

Should I deflower my 72 virgins in each of the 72 rooms will I then get knew (sic) ones?

229 Pamela  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:22:35pm

wouldn't that just chapp the hides of the dems if we got al-Zawahri days before the midterm elections!

the dems will be shouting "Conspiracy"

230 GregInSeattle  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:22:57pm

Emperor Palpatine to Darth Vader: "Wipe them out. All of them"

231 LthrNck  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:22:58pm

Students. Hah, that reminds me of the time I bought a student pass for the North County Transit System while I was stationed in Camp Pendleton attending Marine Combat Training. The rules stated that the passes were half price for students age 18 and below. Well, I WAS a student of sorts, and definitely 18. I rode several times until one driver stopped me and said "Those are only for students" to which I replied "I am a student, at the School of Infantry". He made me pay the full fare.

Everybody defines student differently. In this case, I'll bet that the madrass was just chock full of students, just like the School of Infantry was full of students. In both cases, they are being taught how to kill. Valid target.

I wonder if the madrass monkey's get half price bus fare? Well, their bus fare to hell is paid in full, but I have to wonder.

232 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:23:36pm
233 godfrey  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:24:23pm

buzz

With Dirk around, one can never be sure.

ploome

Mr. Gay has nothing on Mexico's Tranny Queen.

234 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:24:55pm
DEBKAfile’s military sources provide details of the massive deployments.

Now how is that different than the treason at the NYT?

235 cicero05  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:26:14pm

#197 galloping granny

You would think they would get sick of virgins

For myself, I'd happily swap my 72 sappy virgins for six or seven party girls who've been around the block a few times.

And what's with the figs? Who in the hell eats figs? Are substitutions allowed?

236 bubbasbbq  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:26:56pm

Iron fist, They will get their 77 virgins (or whatever the number is) The bad news is that they are all goats. Male goats. Let's hope Zawahri is feeding the hogs right now.

237 Mike C.  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:28:22pm

# 234 Rancher

IIRC, the details have been on the USN site for a week or more.

238 transferthem  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:28:54pm

Seems a bit of an over the top way of reminding young mohammed not to forget his play lunch when he goes to school.

Only 80 of this vermin killed? Never mind. Better than nothing I suppose.

239 Darwin Akbar  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:30:22pm

Forget about 80 students - the seethe-o-meter will really go off the chart if it turns out that a Koran was damaged.

240 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:32:08pm

#237 Mike C.

IIRC, the details have been on the USN site for a week or more.

That's certainly different.

241 Van Impe  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:32:27pm

Border control in Canada:

CHURCHILL, MAN. — The mayor of Churchill, Man., is calling for more security at the northern port after two Turkish sailors trying to enter the country illegally were nabbed by a ticket clerk at the town train station.

Mike Spence said last week's incident illustrates the vulnerability of Canada's Arctic region, which he says has been ignored by officials in Ottawa.

"It goes to show that Churchill needs a lot more security," Mr. Spence said. "You've got two people who were trying to seek illegal entry into Canada. We don't know what connections these guys have. Are they connected to terrorism? Do they just want the Canadian life? We don't know."

Mr. Spence said he will be writing to Minister of Public Safety Stockwell Day and Manitoba Premier Gary Doer to ask them to address the security situation at the Port of Churchill.

Churchill's port, which is used primarily by international freight companies for the export of Canadian wheat, is defended by a single part-time employee of the Canada Border Services Agency. There is no gate at the port, no visible security, and visitors can walk in or out with ease. Only a sign at the side of a dirt road warns that trespassers are not permitted.

The night the men left their ship, the customs agent was leading a group of tourists through the local Anglican church, part of his side business as a tour guide.

The two men, Erkan Yilmaz and Serdar Demirci, were described as engine-room hands on the Cenk Katanoglu, a ship with a Turkish crew that was taking on a cargo of wheat. One had joined the crew just a month before while it was docked in Ireland, while the other had been on the ship for six months, according to the ship's first officer, Gokhan Alicanoglu.

Some time after 8 p.m. on Oct. 24, the men left the ship and travelled a short distance to the town Via station, where Jodi Grosbrink was working behind the ticket counter.

She said the men, who had no luggage, wore blue jeans and dark winter jackets. She guesses they were in their early 30s. They had their identification ready, and said their tickets had been paid for by someone in Toronto.

When their names were entered in the computer, an unusual message in the remarks section said the men were Turkish passengers. This set off alarm bells for Ms. Grosbrink, who had been told by the local border services agent the week before to look out for Turkish sailors.

She called the RCMP.

The police arrived about the same time as the customs agent, who had been called away from his tour of the church. They escorted the two men from the station in handcuffs. After their arrest, the two men claimed refugee status. They were kept in holding cells at the RCMP detachment, and would have been sent back to the ship had they not claimed refugee status.

They will now be escorted to Winnipeg, where their immigration status will be clarified.

Georgina Oman, the owner of Kookum's Taxi, said the two men were in her cab before they jumped ship.

She said they asked a lot of questions, and took careful notes on what she said. They wanted to know how far it was to the nearest city, and acted as though they were looking for women. Only one spoke English, and he translated for his friend.

She told them that the only way out of Churchill is by train or plane, since no roads reach that far north. She explained that the next train would be leaving that night, going through Thompson and The Pas on the way to Winnipeg. They asked how long it would take to get to those places, and wondered if they could get other transportation from there.



From Globe and Mail

Churchill, Manitoba - Polar bear capital of the world

242 ziggy  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:32:30pm

And if it was full of students, then there are 80 fewer future terrorists in the world. They don't exactly work on the three "R's" in Madrassa's.

243 EtNorskTroll  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:32:37pm

#33 ReverendYJ 10/30/2006 12:38PM PST

“reduced to bits and pieces”

“Most of the compound was destroyed.”


Yep.

Now THIS is the reason I am happy to pay my taxes this year.

I want to know that I helped chip in to make this happen...

...and I want that scum sucking pagan moon god "Allah" to know it as well.

I'm coming for ya', Allah. When I see you, you'd better be a runnin'.

~Norsk Troll

244 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:32:53pm

Nobody was killed in an attack.

They died or were lost in an explosion caused by a missile that hit fell on the school.

Only palestinians are killed in attacks.

245 Allah al fubar  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:34:15pm

Monday in a dawn attack on the religious school terrorist indoctrination center run by a pro-Taliban commander wanted for harbouring al Qaeda wimpy coward islamofascist tallywackers, a military spokesman said.

246 Allah al fubar  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:36:01pm

I have a son in 6th grade. He brought home a
sample ballot today. Wanted to know his name, address, DOB and precinct # along with his political affiliation.

Teachers of the board.. Please weigh in.

Thanks much,

247 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:37:49pm

Scary new book...

.Showdown with Nuclear Iran: Radical Islam's Messianic Mission to Destroy Israel and Cripple the United States
by Michael D. Evans, Jerome R. Corsi
Book Description
A terrifying examination of how Iran's president (a radical Shiite zealot) believes he has a "divine mission" to usher in the apocalypse and thereby herald the second coming of a Shia Muslim messiah-and how he is trying to achieve this by building his arsenal and threatening to cripple America and destroy Israel in a nuclear holocaust.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

248 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:38:42pm
"We had information about the presence of 70 to 80 miscreants, including some foreigners, who were engaging in militant training in this madrassa and we carried out an operation using gunship helicopters and precision weapons," he said Monday.

Ahhh...They weren't youts

249 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:41:00pm

J.D, yes I saw that over the weekend about the America-trained pilot.

rancher--I'm just asking around to see if it's credible. Charles has Debka as a link, so I assume they might have some credibility.

Then again, he does have the Times linked...

250 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:41:45pm

#234 Rancher

Now how is that different than the treason at the NYT?


If your source is a Ouja Board and a Magic 8 Ball your exempt from treason changes. It's the same way I excuse Debbie Schlussel.

251 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:42:20pm
252 Kevin Shook  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:42:53pm

Let them seethe! The U.S. should be conducting more raids such as this.

253 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:43:21pm
247 STORAGEMANAGER 10/30/2006 02:37PM PST
Scary new book...



Update to my post...they have a website.. [Link: www.showdownwithnucleariran.com...]

254 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:48:09pm
255 Trumanite  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:49:29pm

Short live Islam

256 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:50:11pm

#253 STORAGEMANAGER

Doesn't Iran know that a nuclear attack on Israel will also destroy Islam's holy places and cause wide-spread fallout all over the region, not to mention the obliteration of Tehran? Are they that filled with hatred that they would cut off their noses to spite their faces?

257 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:50:31pm
I say let Iran go up in smoke,provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the World..Ayatollah Khomeini 1981

[Link: www.showdownwithnucleariran.com...]

258 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:51:41pm

#254 buzzsawmonkey

That was my take on it, too.

259 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:52:27pm

#257 STORAGEMANAGER

Well, that sucks.

260 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:54:17pm

I'm not too concerned with Ahmadinejhad, he's a puppet and nothing more. (Well, the DUs think he's a Robot or CIA agent, but I digress.) We are in big trouble even if Iran never uses its nukes; just having them will insure their immunity from retaliatory military action for any transgressions they may initiate. What do we do if they move into southern Iraq? Or worse go through Iraq, into Kuwait, and unlike Saddam, down into Saudi Arabia? Imagine the Mullahs controlling that much oil. Tehran has shown itself to be the world’s premier sponsor of terrorism, would we go after a nuclear armed Iran like we did little Afghanistan if a Tehran sponsored terrorist group brings on another 9/11? Could we count on our European allies, (as if we could now), if the Mullahs have the capability to lob nukes into Europe? Iran will be able to ride roughshod over the entire middle east with impunity, at least till its neighbors gets their nukes. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty will be dead and the world will become a much scarier place than it already is and its going to happen.

261 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:54:27pm

#251 tfk

muffed that one...

Freudian slip?

262 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:55:58pm
263 SevoGuy  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:56:33pm

Just checked out LGF for the first time today. What wonderful news. I rejoice, as those islamists rejoiced when 9/11 was carried out by 19 islamic men.

God is Great and their Satan is not.

264 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:57:13pm
#246 Allah al fubar

I have a son in 6th grade. He brought home a
sample ballot today. Wanted to know his name, address, DOB and precinct # along with his political affiliation.

I'm not a grade-school teacher, and wish that I did not have to think this way, but...a tiny little paranoid voice makes me wonder whether this is a data collection exercise on the part of your friendly local teachers' union (done on the theory that a sixth-grader's "political affiliation" is a mirror of the parent's) so as to, shall we say, update the local registration rolls just in time to help sway the election?

Large Sibling appears to be observing you.

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

The SCHOOL should not need this information as they would already have all they are entitled to.

NO ONE else is legally entitled to this information under the student privacy laws of the Federal government. DO NOT FILL OUT THIS FORM!

265 Dianna  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:57:14pm

#246

It looks like a civics lesson to me. Although our sample ballots were in 9th and 12th grades, and were more along the lines of essay questions.

266 humanity  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:57:33pm

Which side BBC is repersenting

BBC coverage in asian languages is stinking... oh poor Jihadis...

here is hindi version, here is english version...

OK, i know you don't know hindi... but at least you can compare the size of both news... and can think how much data has been deleted!

267 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:57:39pm
Canadian Forces recruiters target Muslim festival

Recruiters for the Canadian military attended an Ottawa festival marking the end of Ramadan on the weekend as part of a larger effort to bring more Muslims into the Canadian Forces.

For the first time ever, they set up a table at the Family Eid Festival at the Ottawa Civic Centre in Landsdowne Park on Saturday. The festival is a celebration at the end of Ramadan, a holy month of fasting and praying.

Children took part by jumping on an inflatable alligator and playing games such as ring toss, while older friends and relatives visited booths such as the one manned by Chief Petty Officer Eric Paradis.

Paradis, who was handing out stickers, pamphlets and DVDs, said the military had some success getting potential recruits at the event interested in the free education offered by its university program.

"This morning, that was the most common question," he said.

268 christheprofessor  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 12:59:03pm

OT

One more reason to seriously dislike Bill Maher...

269 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:01:15pm

#262 buzzsawmonkey

What's a nose compared to that other stuff?

270 humanity  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:01:25pm

Rapist Imam Update

OOPs.. BBC forgot, that we hav eye on his hi arabic coverage tooo... chek here with google translator... this is how BBC bridges west & east...

what else... its like koran... a bit love in 90% hate speech

[Link: translate.google.com...]

271 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:01:32pm
#235 cicero05 10/30/2006 02:26PM PST

#197 galloping granny

You would think they would get sick of virgins

For myself, I'd happily swap my 72 sappy virgins for six or seven party girls who've been around the block a few times.

And what's with the figs? Who in the hell eats figs? Are substitutions allowed?

Figs are wonderful in homemade Fig Bars. My kids about fall over each other to get at them when I make them. Other than that? I don't like fresh figs.

272 Render  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:01:50pm

To answer the question...

No.

The Predator/Hellfire UAV cannot carry enough to have done that much damage. The Predator is, in fact, slightly overloaded by it's original design specs, when carrying just one Hellfire missile with its 20lb anti-armor warhead.

There is, however, a version of the Predator that can carry a single 500lb GPS guided bomb.

The photos I've seen so far look like multiple hits.

Predators are not invisible and a swarm of them would have been highly noticible in broad daylight.

===

US/NATO air assets could and may very well have been involved in this operation, but the Pakistani military is quite capable of pulling this off all by themselves.

The Pakistani army fields two squadrons of AH-1 Cobras (around 20+ combined), these can each carry as many as 16 Hellfire missiles.

Although the Paki air force has a couple of dozen F-16's, those are used only in the air-to-air role. For ground attack, the Paki air force uses elderly Mirage III's, Mirage 5's, and Chinese Q-5's.

===

Call up the flying DNA squad.

PROJECT
BLUE
CONCRETE,
R

273 shug  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:02:02pm

#229 Pamela

wouldn't that just chapp the hides of the dems if we got al-Zawahri days before the midterm elections!

the dems will be shouting "Conspiracy"



They have a 4 point plan for this contingency

1. " There is another one ready to take his place PS: Where is Osama?
2. Tax Cuts for The Rich
3. Katrina response was slow
4. We can Kill a man in Pakistan, but we can't get healthcare to 40,000,000 Americans"

274 Zardah  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:02:23pm

Now this would be a fun hobby to take up.. somewhere... I dunno... Detroit? .. Paint it all black and put some dummy blinking lights on it.. Fly it around... I dunno... some places, certain times...


http://centralhobbies.com/PatternKits/beryll.htm

275 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:02:31pm

#246 Allah al fubar

Fill it out with "Fred Flintstone", "Bedrock", etc.

See how they like that.

/heh

276 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:03:11pm
277 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:03:22pm

I'm off early to do the Jackolantern bit with my son. I simply cannot comprehend a religion that encourages its children to handle real guns or a mother that tolerates it.

Later, lizards.

278 pat  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:04:33pm

#268 christheprofessor
That costume is so sophmoric that one wonders if Maher is mentally ill.

279 GuyInCt  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:05:05pm

What do you call eighty Jihadists blown to smitherines?

280 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:05:29pm

#268 ctp

Damn he's ugly, and it looks like he's wearing a bad rug.

281 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:06:00pm

#279 GuyInCt

A start?

282 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:06:14pm

#279 GuyInCt

80 ink spots?

283 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:06:34pm

Maher looks like he's hammered, too.

284 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:07:00pm

I hope there was a good madrassa swarm!

285 jrdroll  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:07:04pm

VDH

It is almost surreal now to read about the elemental hatred of Jews in the Spanish Inquisition, 19th-century Russian pogroms or the Holocaust. Yet here we are revisiting the old horrors of the savage past.

Beheading? As we saw with Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, our Neanderthal enemies in the Middle East have resurrected that ancient barbarity — and married it with 21st-century technology to beam the resulting gore instantaneously onto our computer screens. Xerxes and Attila, who stuck their victims' heads on poles for public display, would've been thrilled by such a gruesome show.

Who would have thought centuries after the Enlightenment that sophisticated Europeans — in fear of radical Islamists — would be afraid to write a novel, put on an opera, draw a cartoon, film a documentary or have their pope discuss comparative theology?

The astonishing fact is not just that millions of women worldwide in 2006 are still veiled from head-to-toe, trapped in arranged marriages, subject to polygamy, honor killings and forced circumcision, or are without the right to vote or appear alone in public. What is more baffling is that in the West, liberal Europeans are often wary of protecting female citizens from the excesses of Sharia law — sometimes even fearful of asking women to unveil their faces for purposes of simple identification and official conversation.


[Link: victorhanson.com...]

286 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:07:10pm
260 Rancher 10/30/2006 02:54PM PST
I'm not too concerned with Ahmadinejhad, he's a puppet and nothing more.



He along with the Mullahs of Iran think they can make this happen and bring back the 12th Imam...

A fire will come down from the sky. It will swallow up both Baghdad and Kufa. People’s blood will cover their destroyed houses . Death will occur amid their people and a fear will come over them.

Read up on the signs of the Mahdi...The leaders of Iran are telling the people of Iran...the Mahdi will be here soon.

287 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:07:19pm
#246 Allah al fubar 10/30/2006 02:36PM PST

I have a son in 6th grade. He brought home a
sample ballot today. Wanted to know his name, address, DOB and precinct # along with his political affiliation.

Teachers of the board.. Please weigh in.

Thanks much,

Oh and a couple more things about this:

NOBODY is allowed to ask if your son - or you - about their political affiliation and precinct # except voting officials. Surveyers try it but you do not have to answer.

YOU need to call the school and tell them that your son will NOT be returning the form and specificlly tell your son that he is not to fill it out himself.

I would write to the Superintendent of Schools and the State Board of Education and file a formal complaint about this.

/I really hate it when asswipes try collecting this kind of information about kids!

288 Dianna  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:07:36pm

#283 Ward Cleaver

He always looks hammered to me. I really can't stand him.

289 Captain Hate  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:07:48pm

#268 ctp

What's with that picture? It looks like he filled in his pock marks with plastic wood.

290 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:07:59pm
291 caliredst8r  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:08:06pm

I don't feel tardy.

292 jrdroll  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:10:27pm
#246 Allah al fubar 10/30/2006 02:36PM PST

I have a son in 6th grade. He brought home a
sample ballot today. Wanted to know his name, address, DOB and precinct # along with his political affiliation.

Teachers of the board.. Please weigh in.

F44k the NEA. SCHOOL CHOICE NOW!

293 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:10:32pm
294 Render  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:10:49pm

#279

A small victory.

TOUCHDOWN!,
R

295 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:12:02pm
Iran warns of response to nuke sanctions


Published: 10.31.06, 00:36

Iran's president warned on Monday that his country would respond with an "appropriate and firm response" to any UN sanction over its nuclear program.

The comments by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came as key United Nations Security Council members were considering a draft European resolution that would impose punishing measures on Iran over its disputed nuclear program. (AP)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

296 shug  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:13:09pm

279 guyinCt

Litter?

297 christheprofessor  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:13:22pm

#276 buzzsawmonkey

That's a good description for him in general, but particularly for that picture. He looks somewhat pickled...

#278 pat

It's really beneath sophomoric. Downright tasteless and classless.

#280 Ward

I think the rug is part of the Stever Irwin costume. And yes, he looks completely toasted...

#289 Captain Hate

I believe he's just pasty-white, toasted drunk...

298 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:14:39pm
#218 JammieWearingFool 10/30/2006 02:11PM PST

What to make of this?

US-Led Military Thrust Focuses Heavily on Broad Naval Deployment

Hundreds of US and allied war ships foregathered in the strategic seas of the Middle East and India in the last days of October 2006 for two primary missions: To prepare for a US-led military strike against Iran which has stepped up its uranium enrichment program with a second centrifuge project - undeterred by the prospect of UN sanctions; and measures to fend off palpable al Qaeda threats to oil targets.

DEBKAfile’s military sources provide details of the massive deployments.

Everything DEBKA says should be liberally sprinkled with salt before consumption.

299 mrdriven  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:15:11pm

if you really need a pink floyd reference...

hey, taliban, leave those kids alone...

300 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:16:27pm

US News & World Report has a great talk Bush had with the press available on mp3 files. You get a good sense of what's on his mind. The gem quote, about extremists complaints:

If it's not Iraq, it's Israel. If it's not the crusades, it's the cartoons. George W. Bush

Well worth a listen.

301 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:17:19pm

Storemanager

The hall is rented.

The band is paid.

The Caterers are on staff.

Now lets see if Iran can dance

302 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:17:47pm
298 galloping granny 10/30/2006 03:14PM PST Iran calls adventurous a U.S.-led military exercise due in the Persian Gulf
Sun. 29 Oct 2006
AP, Tehran, Iran Iran's Foreign Ministry on Sunday criticized the United States military presence in the region and slammed a US-led military exercise due to begin in the Persian Gulf, urging nations in the area to set up their own regional security arrangement.

Ships from the U.S. and five other countries are due to interdict a British vessel in the Persian Gulf on Monday in a mock interception of dangerous weapons technology. For the first time, an Arab nation, Bahrain, will participate in an exercise under the three-year-old proliferation security initiative.

"We do not consider this exercise appropriate," Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told reporters in Tehran.

Iran has a long coastline on the Gulf, and neighbors Iraq and Afghanistan. The Iranian spokesman criticized the US military presence along many of the country's borders.

"US moves (in the region) go in the direction of more adventurism, not of stability and security," Hosseini said.

He said Iran found it "not essential" for countries neighboring the Gulf to cooperate with foreign forces, an allusion to the U.S. 5th fleet headquartered in Bahrain and leading Monday's maneuvers. "Countries of the region can provide security better than any other party," said Hosseini.

The US-led maneuvers come as Iran faces the threat of U.N. Security Council sanctions for its nuclear research program. The Islamic republic says the nuclear program is purely civilian, but the US and other western powers warn it could hide intentions to create an atomic bomb

[Link: www.iranfocus.com...]

303 Gin Blossom  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:17:50pm

#288 Dianna 10/30/2006 03:07PM PST

#283 Ward Cleaver

He always looks hammered to me. I really can't stand him.

Not hammered to me.. just Supremely Smug with Erectile Dysfunction issues

304 shug  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:18:50pm

299 mrdriven

if you really need a pink floyd reference...

hey, taliban, Stingers leave those kids alone...


/Fixed for The Moonbat perspective. Don't blame the Taliban, blame the Missile

305 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:19:13pm
301 Jewels (AKA Julian) 10/30/2006 03:17PM PST
Storemanager

The hall is rented.

The band is paid.

The Caterers are on staff.

Now lets see if Iran can dance



Food for thought: why is Iran so intransigent?
Mon. 30 Oct 2006
Iran Focus

Opinion

London, Oct. 30 – Is it ideological? Is it driven by factional infighting? Or may be it’s just suicidal? Whatever its cause, the Iranian leadership’s repeated rejection of Western governments’ offers of compromise has confounded veteran pundits and Iran watchers around the world. No one seems to be sure what the clerical rulers of Iran are up to.

It’s now 14 months since President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was sworn into office, and one word is enough to characterize Iran’s foreign policy under the radical Islamist: intransigence. With the full blessing of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, Ahmadinejad has been charging ahead at full throttle, raising the nuclear stakes through expansion of the existing programs, stepping up Iran’s meddling in Iraq, and radicalizing Muslim opinion through virulent anti-Israeli rhetoric and by using Tehran’s regional proxies to stoke up trouble in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories

[Link: www.iranfocus.com...]

306 Captain Hate  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:19:30pm

#297 ctp

Oh Steve Irwin... Yes, beyond tasteless but sooo typical. Hope I live to see the day where Maher no longer consumes oxygen; I'll just smile slightly and contemplate how the world's a better place.

307 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:20:07pm

#298 galloping granny

US & allies are holding a big naval exersize in the Persian Gulf.

308 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:21:10pm

Good shot! Now send a few missiles in the direction of Saudi Arabia - the source of madrassa money and hate teach.

309 CrimsonFisted  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:21:54pm

#268 ctp
Looks like a photoshop to me. Even that cannot make me dislike that man anymore than I do. Definitely a bottom feeder, with a fading career.

310 shug  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:23:24pm

Attention parents, would you let your kid participate in this?

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

311 EtNorskTroll  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:24:29pm

#309 CrimsonFisted 10/30/2006 03:21PM PST

#268 ctp
Looks like a photoshop to me. Even that cannot make me dislike that man anymore than I do. Definitely a bottom feeder, with a fading career.

Nope, Crimson: looks like it's legit. The story of Bill wearing that reprehsible outfit is appearing on the 'net.

Simply sick.

I wonder what Steve's poor kids are thinking.?

Makes me want to cry...

~Norsk Troll

312 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:24:37pm

CNN headline:

"Fears school attack may fan unrest"

so typical. so stupid.

313 Dianna  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:26:45pm

#303 Gin Blossom

Youch!

And I'm snickering in a most unladylike fashion!

314 Captain Hate  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:27:29pm

#309 CrimsonFisted

Definitely a bottom feeder, with a fading career.


Maybe if Penn Jillette bitchslaps him a few more times that career will be a total flat-line.

315 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:28:24pm

#286 STORAGEMANAGER

Other than stand back and let him spew, have the Mullahs actually gone on record as supporting any of his tripe?

#279 GuyInCt

What do you call eighty Jihadists blown to smitherines?

BBC: A massacre.
CNN: A missed photo-op.
Bush: Mission accomplished.
Pelosi: Not necessary.

316 Nastification Agenda  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:33:49pm

You are either with me, or you are with the terrorists.
Indymedia Nice (France) says that French troops staged the bus fires, to justify intervention against disaffected jihad-monkeys. (At least we learn that the woman with burns to 60% of her body, is black) (link in computer translated French)

[Link: trans.voila.fr...]

Frog news report: 60% of prisoners in France are carpet-humpers for the moon-god.

[Link: trans.voila.fr...]

Have an open-mind, and the will to nullify jihad terror.

317 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:33:52pm

315 Rancher

#286 STORAGEMANAGER

Other than stand back and let him spew, have the Mullahs actually gone on record as supporting any of his tripe?


Iranian politics is not a monolithic 1 party state. There are several factions with different power bases & differing aims.

Ahmadi Nejad is not a puppet. He is the political front man of the most extremist faction of mullahs in Iran. And his faction is now in charge.

318 humanity  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:34:53pm

Hate Speech ... Hate Speech ?

well this is lies

319 dewie  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:36:43pm

#29 MANDY MANNERS

When a firearm is pointed at you and you understand that all it takes is 2.5lbs of preasure to discharge it... Your responsability stops there ,Who/what ever is behind the weapon should be killed. You or them... IMHO ... not an option !

320 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:39:02pm
321 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:42:40pm

#317 Kenneth

Good point, but can any in that faction become Supreme Ruler? Power in Iran is monolithic in that the Supreme Ruler controls who is appointed to positions of power and who can run for various offices. I’ve been convinced by my fellow lizards that Ahmadinejhad can’t become SR, who should we be watching?

322 NoSubmission  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:42:48pm

galloping granny

WMD intercept exercise set to begin in the Gulf
Published: October 29 2006 20:37 | Last updated: October 29 2006 20:37

War games designed to intercept ships carrying weapons of mass destruction will take place for the first time today in the Gulf opposite Iran.

The naval exercise – organised under the US’s 2003 Proliferation Security Initiative – will include Bahrain, one of the regional states and host to a US naval base.

Although the US says the move is not specifically aimed at Iran, the PSI exercise comes amid heightened concerns over Tehran’s nuclear programme.

The US and European states are pushing for a United Nations Security Council resolution that would restrict, through sanctions, Tehran’s ability to procure material for its ballistic missile and nuclear programmes.

Iran has refused to heed international calls for a halt to the most sensitive parts of its nuclear programme and has stepped up uranium enrichment research in recent days.

Bahrain’s participation is a first for an Arab country. Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates are sending observers. Australia, France, Italy, the UK, the US and Bahrain are providing vessels and other assets.

Mohammad Ali Hosseini, foreign ministry spokesman in Tehran, refused on Sunday to describe the exercise as a threat to Iran but called for security co-operation between the states of the region without the participation of foreign forces.

Monday’s exercise comes as the US seeks to counter Iran’s growing influence in the region by promoting a new “strategic partnership” with the oil-rich Arab Gulf states. This partnership is aimed at bolstering the states’ air defences in the face of security threats, whether from terrorism or a possible military conflict with Iran.

US officials suggest Gulf Arab states have a keen interest in closer security co-operation and that all, except Saudi Arabia, had “formally endorsed” PSI, motivated by concerns over Iran’s nuclear intentions.

But analysts in the region played down Gulf states’ enthusiasm and said Saudi Arabia, in particular, was worried that US efforts would lead to further strain on relations with Tehran.

In the year to April 2006, PSI participants had carried out “roughly two dozen” interceptions, according to a US official. However, of strategically significant countries, China has not signed up for the initiative and South Korea is taking part as an observer.

The legal basis of the interceptions of ships also remains unclear. A senior US official told reporters that UN Security Council resolution 1718, passed this month imposing sanctions on North Korea, does not give any new legal authority to the US or other states to intercept ships in international waters.

The legal component is an integral part of Monday’s “Leading Edge” exercise as PSI participants try to work out on what grounds they can board the target vessel. If, for example, the ship is flagged by Cyprus or Panama, which have signed on to the PSI commitments, then other PSI participants would have the right to intercept.

In parallel, the US-led Global Initiative to Combat Nuclear Terrorism on Monday holds its inaugural meeting in Rabat, Morocco. It is expected to endorse a statement of principles aimed at preventing nuclear materials from falling into the wrong hands; development of detection capabilities and co-operation on tracing the source of any nuclear material used in an attack.

Those taking part comprise the G8 nations, China, Kazakhstan, Australia and Italy.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2006

323 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:43:23pm

Buzz:


Ohhh Snap!

324 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:44:26pm

#320 buzzsawmonkey

Oh oh.

325 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:45:11pm
#315 Rancher 10/30/2006 03:28PM PST
#286 STORAGEMANAGER

Other than stand back and let him spew, have the Mullahs actually gone on record as supporting any of his tripe



The leaders of Iran were all followers of this man...

I say let Iran go up in smoke,provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the World..Ayatollah Khomeini 1981
326 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:47:24pm

Kinda OT: but about the war on terror from Mark Steyn.

Sorry if it has been posted already but its to good not to read.

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Only choice on war is to win or loose it.

He dismissed the idea that going into Iraq had only served to "recruit" more terrorists to the cause. (General Pace told me last week that, if anything, the evidence is that Iraq has tied up a big chunk of senior jihadists who'd otherwise be blowing up Afghanistan and elsewhere.)

So this would make Iraq a quagmire. Only for the Jihadis.

Bush concluded with an exasperated: "If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons." That'd make a great slogan: it encapsulates simultaneously the Islamists' inability to move on millennium-in millennium-out, plus their propensity for instant new "root causes," and their utter lack of proportion

Best line in the article-

A Dutch gay "humanist" (which is pretty much the trifecta of Eurocool), van den Boogaard was reflecting on the accelerating Islamification of the Continent and concluding that the jig was up for the Europe he loved. "I am not a warrior, but who is?" he shrugged. "I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it."

327 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:48:30pm

OT: anybody understand this reference:

Mishneh Torah ii: Hilekot Abel xiv.I

?

328 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:48:50pm
#321 Rancher 10/30/2006 03:42PM PST
#317 Kenneth

Good point, but can any in that faction become Supreme Ruler? Power in Iran is monolithic in that the Supreme Ruler controls who is appointed to positions of power and who can run for various offices. I’ve been convinced by my fellow lizards that Ahmadinejhad can’t become SR, who should we be watching?



Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei hand picked President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...No one runs for office without his blessing!

329 shug  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:49:59pm
The Mean-faced, Clipped-haired Oven-stuffer crowd will be seen again at the White House if Hillary Wins in 2008

--Just said by my main guy Michael Savage on his radio program.

Man he has a way with words.

What a better way to spend an evening: reading LGF and listening to the savage nation

330 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:51:14pm

His power...

Supreme Leader appoints new air force commander (Recast to correct name of Army commander) Iran-Leader-Appointment
Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei here Saturday appointed Brigadier General Ahmad Miqani as the new commander of the Islamic Republic Air Force.
"Based on the recommendation of Islamic Republic of Iran Army Commander Major General Ataollah Salehi and taking into account your valuable experience, I hereby appoint you as the new commander of the Islamic Republic Air Force," the Leader said in his decree.

[Link: www.irna.ir...]

331 Odinist  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:52:18pm

#325 STORAGEMANAGER

"The leaders of Iran were all followers of this man...
I say let Iran go up in smoke,provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the World..Ayatollah Khomeini 1981"

Then Europe will become the new version of the current 'middle east' and the Americas will become the new version of the current Europe...

Not a pretty picture... I really hope Iran fails to gain nuclear weapons technology...

332 jrdroll  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:53:22pm
Ahmadi Nejad is not a puppet. He is the political front man of the most extremist faction of mullahs in Iran. And his faction is now in charge.


What part of " Death to the Infidels" don't you understand. It is a party thing like: ISLAM.

333 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:55:01pm

Anyone see this new video game?

Computer game takes "journalist's" view of Mideast

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A computer game developed in Denmark is about to give high school students outside the Middle East a new window into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

"Global Conflicts: Palestine," by Serious Games Interactive, will enable players to become virtual journalists moving through Israel and the Palestinian territories, where they can interview characters from both sides -- civilians, soldiers and militants.

Once players decide they have enough information, they write articles relating to the conflict, which are then graded by the computer game.

"The goal for them is to recognize there are different perspectives, that the story can be also be told in different perspectives," one of the game's creators, Cophenhagen-based Simon Egenfeldt-Nielsen, said in a telephone interview.

He said he hopes to distribute the game to high schools in Europe in March and perhaps take it worldwide.

At the start of the game, players choose one of six scenarios taken from years of Israeli-Palestinian violence, such as suicide bombings, Israeli raids in the occupied West Bank and in Gaza and tensions at Israeli army checkpoints.

The virtual reporter does not have to try to be objective. Players can choose to become a pro-Israeli, pro-Palestinian or neutral journalist as they navigate the scenes and "click" on characters.

Characters have pre-programmed answers, based on the journalist's questions and declared sympathies.

A Palestinian militant, for example, would volunteer more information to a declared pro-Palestinian journalist than to an Israeli reporter.

"You can steer the dialogue in the direction you want," Egenfeldt-Nielsen said. "For a pro-Israeli story, focus on how the IDF (Israeli military) perceives it. If you take a pro-Palestinian approach, you can dig deeper -- interview the suspect or his son."

The articles that players write receive scores based on the program's assessment of the value of the information and quotes they gleaned.

"The scores are dependent on to what extent you are successful in writing stories on the right angle," Egenfeldt-Nielsen said. "If you are pro-Palestinian and you end up writing what we think is a pro-Israeli story, you get a worse score."

The game has been tested among hundreds of high school students in Denmark. It will be translated into five languages.

Many computer games centered on the Middle East have been launched in the past 15 years, most involving violence.

A 1990 simulation game by Virgin Interactive called "Conflict in the Middle East" allowed you to be prime minister of Israel and fend off potential strikes by Muslim nations, such as Iran, through diplomacy or even a nuclear attack.

The new Danish game doesn't deal with victory or defeat.

"There's no winning with regard to this conflict," Egenfeldt-Nielsen said.

334 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:56:29pm

STORAGEMANAGER

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei hand picked President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...No one runs for office without his blessing!

Khamenei actually had trouble when chosen; apparently he wasn’t enough of a cleric. Choosing someone for president could be just a political move, Khamenei also chose the “reformer” Rafsanjani. So far we have only inferred support by those who really hold the reins of power, anything spelled out in black and white?

335 mrdriven  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:57:00pm

shug 10/30/2006 03:18PM PST
299 mrdriven

if you really need a pink floyd reference...

hey, taliban, Stingers leave those kids alone...

/Fixed for The Moonbat perspective. Don't blame the Taliban, blame the Missile

actually, Shug if you want it fixed for the Moonbat perspective, don't blame the Taliban, don't blame the missile, blame Karl Rove as he pulled the trigger of this drone in Pakistan. or of course, blame the jews.

336 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 1:57:52pm
337 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:00:48pm

M

Are there really people so demented as to believe that she was burned because she was "black?".

Maybe, why are the Darfur Muslims being exterminated?

338 mrdriven  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:01:02pm

# 279

Twenty short of a good morning.

339 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:01:29pm
340 SkyeChild  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:01:48pm

How do the signs get made up so quickly? Could be this attack was planned in advance, so that signs could be made up?

And, it seems to me that the same person/company prints these signs...the printing is all the same type.

341 itellu3times  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:02:04pm

#327 Yank in the EU

OT: anybody understand this reference:

Mishneh Torah ii: Hilekot Abel xiv.I

A quick Google suggests it refers to the "positive golden rule", treat others as you would like to be treated. Why?

342 EtNorskTroll  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:02:47pm

#329 shug 10/30/2006 03:49PM PST

The Mean-faced, Clipped-haired Oven-stuffer crowd will be seen again at the White House if Hillary Wins in 2008

--Just said by my main guy Michael Savage on his radio program.

Man he has a way with words.

What a better way to spend an evening: reading LGF and listening to the savage nation

Doesn't get much sweeter than that, shug...

;-P

~Norsk Troll

343 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:04:22pm
The occupiers of Iraq have imposed their ominous presence on the Iraqi nation under pretext of providing them with security. They are responsible for such tragedies.”
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei


He sounds in charge to me...

I have ... so far prevented the lighting of a fire in this region which would be hard to extinguish, ... but all should know that a very great and wide danger is quite near.”
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei


He is as clear as the President...

Talks with the United States have no benefit for us and are harmful to us,”
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
344 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:04:59pm
345 Stringart  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:05:44pm

The Canadian media is finally getting the attention it deserves.

The media takes up our quarrel, on behalf of the foe.

The coverage of the 28 Oct demonstrations was so over the top, so uncritical as to be propaganda rather than reporting:

There were demonstrations in 37 cities – Quick! Name Canada’s 37th largest city. No? How about the 27th largest? The 17th largest? Let us be charitable and agree that several hundred paraded in Toronto and a few hundred in many (just some?) of the others – maybe 5,000 Canadians, out of 30 million, oppose the Afghan mission enough to complain – significantly less than the number of soldiers who have served there? That’s news?

There were (according to the Ottawa CTV news report) several thousand people at the Kingston Garrison’s Freedom of the City parade on the same day. It is likely that as many people came out in one small Canadian city to honour the troops as attended all the demonstrations in 37 Canadian cities. The ‘story’ which should have been reported was: “Canadians ignore Canadian Peace Alliance, Jack Layton, organized labour and Muslim groups’ protests.”

Pressing for Defeat

In Canada, we don't have the same Vietnam culture in our press corps as the Americans do, but we're getting there. Every time a Canadian soldier dies in Afghanistan, it is turned into a moment of national bathos.

The death makes the TV news when it happens, then when the body is put aboard a plane for Canada, then when the plane lands, then again at the funeral. Each of those events is not news -- each is an editorial effort by our press corps to create a public feeling of hopelessness and pointlessness.

346 Captain Hate  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:07:34pm

OT

Just when I thought my respect for Michael J Fox had bottomed out, I find out that he was stumping for Sherrod Brown for Senate in Ohio today. In the interests of complete disclosure, if I had Sherrod Brown and Bill Clinton in one room and a .45 with one bullet, I'd be in a true quandry.

Anyway one of the staples of Brown's campaign against incumbent Mike DeWine is that DeWine is in the pocket of the drug companies. Exactly where does Fox think that his best hope for a cure for Parkinson's Disease rests, the bumbling US government or research being conducted by drug companies?

Hopefully Ohioans react to this outside meddling in the same manner as they did from those stupid al-Guardian readers that sent them letters urging them to vote for Jean Effing Kerrie; by telling them to STFU and voting otherwise. Fox is obviously a tool for the Donks and shouldn't be considered an object of sympathy.

347 STORAGEMANAGER  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:07:42pm
“From the beginning of the Islamic revolution, they made the embassy a place for planning conspiracies and these activities led the students to attack and take over the embassy, ... If somebody wants to write about the crimes of the United States, it would be a big book.”
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei



Iran tells us the plan...we dont listen

...“Supporting the Palestinian people is one of our important Islamic duties.”
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

He seems to pull the strings...

This nation is not a nation that would succumb to the impositions and bullying of the U.S. or any other,”
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
348 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:09:28pm
349 Grammie  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:10:37pm

# 48 by Breblebox

I had a much easier transition to your current viewpoint. I started making the transition years ago when everyday found TV and print articles such as:

Last night, four youths raped four ten year old girls. After beating them all, they poured gasoline over them and set them afire. Police arrived in time to save two of the girls. One of the remainding girls is in critical condition.

Right after hearing that we had our daily family dinner with a few genuine youths. Bright, happy, articulate hard working kids who didn't a police force to keep them in line.

These students fall in the same category as our own murderous youths. And I have no more sympathy for them than I have for their adult counterparts.

350 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:12:03pm

#341 itellu3times, #338 Buzz

Makes sense about the Google. I'm looking for the formulation of that form of the Golden Rule which has a positive moral obligation in the Torah.

I had a discussion with Ploome and AJIJ a while ago and made a note that it's in the text somewhere.

Why further? It is a certral principle in Western ethics. I would like to know its roots. I have, of course, seen the negative formulation many times, e.g. Exodus 22:20.

351 MoonbatBane  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:13:33pm

#3 shug 10/30/2006 12:26PM PST

Reports I've heard from the islamofascist press say it was a Madrassa school full of Students.

And yes, Seething is Imminent...

352 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:13:56pm
#348 buzzsawmonkey 10/30/2006 04:09PM PST

#337 Rancher

I got the impression from NA's original post that the fact the burn victim was "black" was supposed to prove
a) that the "youts" did not do it, and
b) that the evil, racist French government troops did.

If this is what NA thinks, then he had best bone up on what islam has to say about black people. The arabic word for slave means black.

353 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:16:42pm
#346 Captain Hate 10/30/2006 04:07PM PST

OT

Just when I thought my respect for Michael J Fox had bottomed out, I find out that he was stumping for Sherrod Brown for Senate in Ohio today. In the interests of complete disclosure, if I had Sherrod Brown and Bill Clinton in one room and a .45 with one bullet, I'd be in a true quandry.

Anyway one of the staples of Brown's campaign against incumbent Mike DeWine is that DeWine is in the pocket of the drug companies. Exactly where does Fox think that his best hope for a cure for Parkinson's Disease rests, the bumbling US government or research being conducted by drug companies?

Hopefully Ohioans react to this outside meddling in the same manner as they did from those stupid al-Guardian readers that sent them letters urging them to vote for Jean Effing Kerrie; by telling them to STFU and voting otherwise. Fox is obviously a tool for the Donks and shouldn't be considered an object of sympathy.

If it makes you feel better, he was all over the evening news admitting that he never once looked at the bill he is stumping for in the political ad Rush called him on.

354 SnakeSpit  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:21:03pm

Here's what I'd like to know. How is it that almost immediately after an event like this occurs, the media are present? Is there a possibility that the media are already with these terrorists? How many AP and Reuters reporters are continually with these people? Does that not make them accomplices? Something just doesn't compute in all this.

355 rightwinger3  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:21:16pm

#345 Stringart

The Canadian media is finally getting the attention it deserves.

Hopefully Canadians start to see the light. My neighbor is from Guelph and she now absolutely loves living in a Red State.

356 CrimsonFisted  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:21:42pm

#311 EtNorskTroll

I wonder what Steve's poor kids are thinking.?

Makes me want to cry...

~Norsk Troll


Michelle Malkin is linking to it too. I guess you are right, legitimate photo. I just thought the face looked a little bizarre on the body but I guess that is just him.

#314 Captain Hate

Maybe if Penn Jillette bitchslaps him a few more times that career will be a total flat-line.

I missed that! Too bad, I would have enjoyed seeing that.

357 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:22:27pm
#344 taxfreekiller 10/30/2006 04:04PM PST

Note to blog.

realwest,
mama wringer
galloping granny
zombie
charles
etal


If this guy is not "Gognito" our new poster who talks the same line of bull crap then its one of his assistants or the other co-author of the book ,,, or some lib who has read it and is putting the ideas to a test here on lgf's.

I haven't seen the show so can't comment there. I am not sure what Cognito's motivation is here (he does sometimes seem to play devil's advocate) but there is one thing I think should be pointed out. The book you are speaking of has *already been written.* It would seem pointless to me for someone connected to a book entitled How to Win in 08 to come here looking for arguments to formulate *after the book has already been published."

358 machiavelligz  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:23:08pm

see, this is why THEY hate us...

Oh wait, that was NPR on the way home...

Back to me, I meant to say this is why these guys will never threaten us again : )

359 EC Marm  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:24:00pm

Put your feet up on the desk and prepare to laugh for the next seven minutes. Bill O'Reilly on the David Letterman Show, round two:

360 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:24:20pm
361 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:24:37pm
#354 SnakeSpit 10/30/2006 04:21PM PST

Here's what I'd like to know. How is it that almost immediately after an event like this occurs, the media are present? Is there a possibility that the media are already with these terrorists? How many AP and Reuters reporters are continually with these people? Does that not make them accomplices? Something just doesn't compute in all this.

If you're speaking of the NBC "reporter" yes he was about 1 mile away with the Taliban.

Why the MSM insists on reporting "news" from sources that are so very clearly on the opposite side as it was indisputable gospel, I do not know.

You would think it should come with a disclaimer.

362 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:26:57pm
363 akak  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:27:42pm
Al Qaeda’s Sinai cells and their Bedouin collaborators are holed up in a well-fortified hideout on this range. Repeated Egyptian security forces operations to flush them out in the last two years always ran into trouble

-debka

bwahahahaaahhaahahhahhaaa

/sorry had to Devil's night & all

364 wrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:30:48pm

361: granny

We should be sending Geraldo with the Taliban... he could be sending us coordinates during his pieces.

365 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:31:01pm

#360 buzzsawmonkey

Hello.

If, on the other hand, you simply refrain from inflicting upon other people actions which you find offensive, you allow the other person complete freedom--of conscience, of action--and respect the person's choices, as long as they do not impinge upon your own.

Very nicely put. Well thought out.

Ya done good. Hillel would be proud of you.

366 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:33:59pm
#362 buzzsawmonkey 10/30/2006 04:26PM PST

#352 galloping granny

My impression was that NA was reporting on some French Indymedia madness, not stating his own opinions.

Having dug up NA's post I have to agree with you that he was simply reporting Indymedia's stupidity.

Good thing I was responding to the comment on NA's post rather than the post :)

367 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:35:04pm
#364 wrathofG-d 10/30/2006 04:30PM PST

361: granny

We should be sending Geraldo with the Taliban... he could be sending us coordinates during his pieces.

Might even draw us a map. Course Shep Smith would do every bit as well. He likes panorama shots quite some little bit.

368 akak  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:35:35pm
Iran has not convinced the International Atomic Energy Agency that it does not aspire to develop nuclear weapons, head of the organization, Mohamed ElBaradei, told the United Nations General Assembly.

He added that Iran's nuclear program was still a worrying issue. (Reuters)

how's that 50,000$ carpet sir?

369 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:36:37pm

#360 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, that's a great and very famous story about Rabbi Hillel. The discussion we had before: I had originally asked whether the meaning of the word "stranger" had ever been settled as it is unclear whether the word means proselyte or Gentiles in general. We concluded that in the strict sense the term means 'proselyte', but it has also been traditionally understood in the broad sense to mean Gentiles, in which case there is a general moral principle formed from "You shall not wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt."

Now the question we arrive at from your comments: is there a positive, moral obligation to help someone who is in need in the Torah? I shall look into the passages regarding 'loving they neighbor as thyself', as that does appear to be the exact idea from which necessarily follows the kind of obligation in the Golden Rule.

Lifesaver ;)

370 Stringart  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:37:58pm

#355 rightwinger3


My neighbor is from Guelph and she now absolutely loves living in a Red State

I used to live about an hour from Guelph, now I live in a Red State Province - Alberta - and love it.

371 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:39:17pm

Rav Hillel was a wuss!

372 EC Marm  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:41:03pm

Sadr okayed US raid on bastion: Aide
Web posted at: 10/31/2006 3:1:43
Source ::: AFP

najaf • Radical cleric Muqtada Al Sadr gave the go-ahead to a US-led raid on the bastion of his Mahdi Army militia in Baghdad and plans to purge his movement of violent elements, an aide said yesterday...
[Link: www.thepeninsulaqatar.com...]
Milo Minderbinder flashback anyone?

373 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:45:48pm
374 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:47:51pm

368 akak

Mohamed ElBaradei's wife is the sister of a leading Iranian mullah, the chairman of the Council of Expediency.

375 Grammie  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:51:55pm

To all you wonderful folks,

Does anyone know what happens after Mohammad has deflowered his own 72 virgins? Does he get a new set? Can he go poach from Rashad? Or does his eternal reward just go downhill from there?

This has always concerned me. This poor schmuck Mohammad reachs heaven with all the pent up stress and denial from Jihad. And ZAP, he went through his virgins in a blast.

376 Leper  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:52:12pm

I think MS NBC is reporting that it wasn't a missle attack at all. The Muslim students just made the mistake of driving French cars to school...

377 jrdroll  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:55:22pm
"There's no winning with regard to this conflict," Egenfeldt-Nielsen said.


Yes there is :
Death to Islam.

378 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:56:18pm
#375 Grammie 10/30/2006 04:51PM PST

To all you wonderful folks,

Does anyone know what happens after Mohammad has deflowered his own 72 virgins? Does he get a new set? Can he go poach from Rashad? Or does his eternal reward just go downhill from there?

This has always concerned me. This poor schmuck Mohammad reachs heaven with all the pent up stress and denial from Jihad. And ZAP, he went through his virgins in a blast.

I did see some male posting a while back somewhere that if you thought about it, these are perpetual virgins. So when you get through with all 72 you can start all over again and they are all still virgins. Over and over for eternity. The guy was not amused. Said it sounded more like hell to him.

379 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:56:38pm

#373 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, but I am not sure these statements necessarily and clearly form the principle of positive obligation in general. The issue arose in a discussion with a fellow student from Flanders, who is actually from the theology faculty and a scholar of Hebrew, and she claimed that all of these injuctions actually pertain only to Jews in the original Hebrew. I took this as quite an interesting challenge, since I have always taken it as fairly evident that Jesus' statements were merely explicit reformulations of what is in the Torah. Her claim, rather, was that, fundamentally speaking, Jesus universalized into moral doctrines teachings that were originally meant only to apply amongst Jews.

380 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:57:00pm
Hamas officials to visit Cairo for prisoner talks
Web posted at: 10/30/2006 2:49:59
Source ::: REUTERS
Damascus • Senior Hamas members will visit Cairo in the next few days to discuss a prisoner exchange deal with Israel brokered by Egypt, a Hamas official said yesterday.

Hamas wants the deal to include the release of 1,000 named Palestinian prisoners in exchange for an Israeli soldier captured in a raid near Gaza in June involving Hamas's military wing, Izzat Al Rishq said.

"This visit is intended to maintain contacts with the brothers in Egypt, who are doing their best to mediate a deal and talk with the Israeli side," said Rishq, a member of the Hamas politburo. "The elderly, women and children must be set free also," Rishq said.


//

381 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:57:22pm

#328 STORAGEMANAGER

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei hand picked President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...No one runs for office without his blessing!

True to a point. Khamenei approved a list of candidates who were selected by a committee of mullahs. The committee was appointed by Khamenei. But Khahmenei relies on support from a coalition of mullahs to keep his position. The infighting is fierce and deadly. Khamenei keeps on top by playing one faction off against another. The religious extremist faction backs Ahmadi Nejad, as does the powerful Basij, or Revolutionery Guards. Ahmadi nejad will never become the supreme leader because he is not a mullah (he studied engineering, not theology)

382 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 2:59:14pm

Cavuto's Question of the day, frontpage at Fox:

Will Democrats improve America's economy if they win the midterm elections?

Answer is currently 89% NO.

383 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:00:16pm

#379 'injunctions', rather

384 easy  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:00:29pm

#361 gg

Why the MSM insists on reporting "news" from sources that are so very clearly on the opposite side as it was indisputable gospel, I do not know


Who are we to judge? We have to accurately report what both side say.

/ channeling Dan Blather

I recall, during the first Gulf War, Blather leading off a report with, "The Americans ..." my first impulse was to bite of his nose. Good thing I wasn't present.

385 wrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:01:42pm

KENNETH:

Why do you keep calling him "Ahmadi Nejad" ?

386 EC Marm  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:03:03pm

Dead voters continue to cast ballots in New York

"Of course we are concerned about people voting if they are dead," George Stanton, chief information officer for the state Board of Elections, said in an e-mailed response...


[Link: www.thejournalnews.com...]


(You can't make this stuff up!)

387 GeeWiz  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:03:45pm

Very, very late to this thread!

My take. Life is an education and we are all students. The paths we choose in life dictate the paths we travel. Choose madrasses as your path and don't be surprised by the outcome. Hellfire missles anyone?

388 religion of bacon  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:04:14pm

#372 EC Marm

You have to wonder how much of the "cooperation" with coalition forces is actually Islamo-weasels using us to wipe out their rival weasels.

389 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:04:49pm

385 wrathofG-d

because that's how he & the Iranians spell his name. It means Decendant of the Mahdi.

390 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:06:25pm
#379 Yank in the EU 10/30/2006 04:56PM PST

#373 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, but I am not sure these statements necessarily and clearly form the principle of positive obligation in general. The issue arose in a discussion with a fellow student from Flanders, who is actually from the theology faculty and a scholar of Hebrew, and she claimed that all of these injuctions actually pertain only to Jews in the original Hebrew. I took this as quite an interesting challenge, since I have always taken it as fairly evident that Jesus' statements were merely explicit reformulations of what is in the Torah. Her claim, rather, was that, fundamentally speaking, Jesus universalized into moral doctrines teachings that were originally meant only to apply amongst Jews.

I believe that she is correct. Jesus taught specifically to the Jews, not to Gentiles as a whole. For many years after his death Gentiles that became followers of Christ were "adopted" Jews - converted if you will.

After Paul's "miracle" on the road to Damascus some years after Jesus' death (note that Paul was a Roman citizen - which means he was required by law to worship the Roman Emperor on pain of death - and never met Jesus) there was a great deal of conflict between Jesus' original followers and Paul over Paul's teachings and interpretations.

What we know today as "christianity" is really Paulian blended with Mithraism courtesy of Constantine rather than what Jesus himself taught.

391 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:07:52pm

Kenneth:

Is that actually his name or is it one he assumed when he became "Pres. of Iran"? (like how Abu Mazen changed his name to be Lord of the Flies?)

392 easy  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:10:28pm
Will Democrats improve America's economy if they win the midterm elections?

Of course they will. Growth will be strong, inflation and unemployment will be low, the stock market will be at an all time high (the deficit will have to be addressed and we all know how to do that), all overnight once they regain power.

393 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:12:00pm

#391 WrathofG-d

As far as I know, it's his name. His first name is Mamoud, which in the Shia tradition is the name the returned Mahdi will have. My bet is that when the Iranians get their bombs he will be declared the Mahdi. Then they will attack Israel. This man & the whole lot of the mullahs are mad, evil & dangerous.

394 WrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:15:13pm

393:
Kenneth

Very interesting! Thank you.

As far as the Mad-hi...it can't be that hard to eliminate the threat.

If some shmuck living in a cave can embarrass the U.S. with 20 or so passionate followers...

395 religion of bacon  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:20:22pm

#393 Kenneth

Surely the real Mahdi would have better fashion sense than Sleazeface Dinnerjacket? It just doesn't add up.

396 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:21:17pm

394 WrathofG-d

You know about the cult he belongs too right? I don't have the link at my finger tips, but you can google it. Ahmadi Nejad is a member of a religious group that Khomeini thought was too extreme! Now they are in power. The goal of the cult is to create chaos & bring on the return off the Mahdi. That's why nothing will deter him from getting nuclear weapons. My horrific expectation is nuclear war with Israel.

397 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:25:26pm

#395 religion of bacon

mmm...han apocalyptic death cult doesn't add up because of their fashion style?

As Leonard Cohen wrote of the banality of the Nazis,

"What did you expect?
green skin?
scales?
madness?"

398 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:26:21pm
399 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:30:13pm

#390 GG


I believe that she is correct. Jesus taught specifically to the Jews, not to Gentiles as a whole. For many years after his death Gentiles that became followers of Christ were "adopted" Jews - converted if you will.

Well, remember that she actually claimed the Jesus universalized principles from the Torah, which were only moral principles within the community of Jews. Is it this with which you agree? I have always read there to be principles in the Torah that relate to the moral treatment of Gentiles as well.

On the point of Jesus' teachings restriction to the Jews, if that is your contention indeed, I would certainly disagree. There are numerous passages in the Gospels concerning direct statements that Jesus is the Son and Savior of mankind and that he is opening the message to all - including pagans. The principles Paul taught, I believe, were perfectly consistent in their scope with those of Christ himself. It is true that only through Paul and his enormous gifts for conversion, philosophical disputation and ecclesiastical organization did the the teachings of Christ truly gain strength outside of the small communities formed by the Apostles who were sent out into the world with the Word.

400 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:31:08pm

#399 the = that

401 wrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:38:09pm

396 Kenneth

Yes, I have heard about his cult here on LGF. (right around the time he was supposed to bomb everyone the 1st time in August I think)

But eitherway, I do belive he wouldn't mind nuking Israel. As one of his people said: (I adlib) "I belive in all the Jews all coming to Israel...it will allow me to kill them all in one shot"

or

"We cannot lose nuclear war with the Jews...in such war they might kill millions of Muslim, & destroy 1/4 of our Iran country...but with the same amount of weapons we will destroy all of the Zionist Entity & about 1/2 of the Jews...where they will barely affect the Islamic world & the worldwide Muslim population...this is a fair trade off"

402 Grammie  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:40:04pm

Thanks Granny. Maybe their reward is set up that way as poetic justice.

To you young mothers, you got great advice from Granny and others. I want to add my two cents worth.

It may not be news to you, but it was when I learned what was going on.

In the early seventies I got a question about China from my son who was in the fifth or sixth grade that made me sit up and take notice quick.

Chubby Hubby and I had opted for totally private school education. No government funding at all. In fact, the local government would not put up school zone signs for the school. What we had not anticipated was the Loony Left had coopted the school book publishing industry.

We then spent an afternoon at the library learning and copying various source documents about the Cultural Revolution, Chinese history pre 1950, Mao Tse Tung etc. He passed with flying colors because his teacher knew the history but was just too lazy to supplement the available teaching materials.

After this incident we took measures to know and counteract the misinformation that is so prevalent.

403 funky chicken  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:42:26pm

390 galloping granny. Wow...you always impress me with your great explanations of things. I've never been fond of Paulian tenets as stand alone dogma.

404 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:42:57pm

#398 buzzsawmonkey


What in the Torah applies generally, and what applies to Jews specifically, is quite complex, and I am in no way an authority. But I would submit, first, that given the injunctions to return the strayed animal belonging to "your enemy," and to assist "he that hates you" in unloading his overburdened beast (Ex.23: 4,5), that the Torah extends its justice well beyond Jews, converts, or even mere foreigners.

Yes, I concur, it is a most complex question. I have asked scholars and receive markedly undecided views. I appreciate your submissions, and this position appears to be consistent with my understanding on the question of what sort of moral principles are created in the Torah? Do they merely apply internally to Jews and not to all mankind as moral truths per se? Well, the odyssey continues on this theme. ;)

405 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:43:26pm

401 wrathofG-d

the leader of hezbollah said the first quote, & Khamenei said the 2nd. my guess is they will wait till after the 2008 US election. They figure Bush is an abberation. The next President should be a Democrat, & therefore a coward.

406 easy  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:47:24pm

of/off, the nose will know the difference

407 antipilgerite  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:48:12pm

Leftist doublethink:

"99.8% of Muslims are peace-loving, law-abiding people." / "Waaah! Wahhh! Waaah! If we kill any freedom fighters, 99.8% of Muslims worldwide are going to seethe and blow up embassies and join al-Queda!"

"We may deplore terrorism, but we have to accept that it works. Oppressed Palestians... 'V for Vendetta'... 'by any means necessary'... direct radical action... Jooos..." / "Wahhh! Waaah! Waaah! State terrorism doesn't work! It only makes people angrier and more radicalised!"

408 wrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:51:07pm

405: kenneth

Maybe they will wait...but let's be honest... Bush would be just as useless as a brand new Democrat.

We are not "stuck" concentrating on Iraq...we are choosing to ONLY concentrate on Iraq. Shoot, during WW2 we concentrated on multiple battles across most of Europe.

But all out war (in my lame opinion) is not necessary. Truthfully, this problem with Iran could be resolved with a few nicely placed bullets or charges. I have learned something VERY important from Osama (& Joe Pesce's pencil in Casino)...& that is that you don't need a million high tech weapons to accomplish your goal...all you really need is The Will. As usual, we Americans are thinking too big (all out war against Iran, bombing the plant, internal revolution, etc etc etc)

I am an idiot...but given some time even I could come up with 100's of ways to remove the threat.

409 funky chicken  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:51:33pm

Yank, I think you miss Granny's point. Her point wasn't that the Torah only told Jews to be nice to Jews, the point was that the moral injunctions in to Torah were only binding on the Jews...meaning that Jews couldn't expect/require non-Jews to treat them mercifully.

410 Rancher  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:56:58pm

OT-
Hope someone is still here, too early to go OT on the new threads.

Sand Monkey has some incredibly disturbing news from Egypt.

The story is as follows for the those of you who didn't hear about it: It was the first day of Eid, and a new film was opening downtown. Mobs of males gatherd trying to get in, but when the show was sold out, they decided they will destroy the box office. After accomplishing that, they went on what can only be described as a sexual frenxy: They ran around grabbing any and every girl in sight, whether a niqabi, a Hijabi or uncoverd. Whether egyptian or foreigner. Even pregnant ones. They grabbed them, molested them, tried to rip their cloths off and rape them, all in front of the police, who didn't do shit. The good people of downtown tried their best to protect the girls. Shop owners would let the girls in and lock the doors, while the mobs tried to break in. Taxi drivers put the girls in the cars while the mobs were trying to break the glass and grab the girls out. It was a disgusting pandamonium of sexual assaults that lasted for 5 houres from 7:30 PM to 12:30 am, and it truns my stomach just to think about it.

Police did nothing, saying “Happy Eid!”. The press?

Al Jazeera had taped the incidents but were forbidden to air it at the request of the egyptian authorities. The new editor at the Daily Star refused to touch it with a 6 foot pole. This was going to be one of those incidents that only the blogsphere would talk about, while the mainstream media ignored.


I wonder how much of our billions of dollars annually given to Egypt goes towards security?

411 Kenneth  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 3:57:20pm

#408 wrathofG-d

I think Bush is doing all right, although sometimes I do wish he would do more & be tougher. I assume he knows stuff we don't. Iran is a very big problem, much bigger than a few mad mullahs. How to cope with the consequnces of war is a major concern. Ones the shooting starts, Iran will make so much trouble, Iraq will be small by comparison. THe US will need a tought President, & Israel will need better than Olmert.

412 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:05:55pm

#409 funky chicken

The thing is that she was clearly agreeing with a woman who said that the moral teachings in the Torah only required Jews to treat non-Jews morally, not necessarily Gentiles. About the other part, I easily agree: certainly no one here has even begun to think about how the laws of the Torah would somehow govern non-Jews. I think part of the difference of our viewpoints concerns my belief, as a Christian, that the teachings of Paul are part of the true message of God. I believe God spoke to Paul. Clearly she is rejecting that in favor of a theory about Paul's alleged inclinations towards pagan beliefs.

413 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:07:13pm
414 Dr. Manhattan  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:09:10pm

Nobody here thinks this was a Predator, right? This was Pakistan all the way...

415 wrathofG-d  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:09:38pm

411: Kenneth

You are right on all points.

I always wonder these days however, where our American strength has gone. At every step we worry about the weaker nations, groups, etc.

Why does the elephant fear the mouse? Was Osama right?...are we really just a paper tiger...

Where is the world fear of US? We have all the nukes & lots of land. What we don't have is good leadership & cajones!

We allow ourselves not to be beaten by superior strength but by our own fragile ego & mere words alone.

What could Iran do to us that we could not do worse?

416 GuyInCt  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:22:03pm

Me: "What do you call eighty Jihadists blown to smithereens?"

Sorry - I thought everyone knew the answer:
"A good start!"

417 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:24:57pm
#399 Yank in the EU

The principles Paul taught, I believe, were perfectly consistent in their scope with those of Christ himself. It is true that only through Paul and his enormous gifts for conversion, philosophical disputation and ecclesiastical organization did the the teachings of Christ truly gain strength outside of the small communities formed by the Apostles who were sent out into the world with the Word.

Paul certainly was a mental giant, far more so perhaps than any of the real apostles. To me though, his gifts for dissertation do not necessarily insure that the message he communicated so well is the message that Christ himself taught.

I have always found Paul somewhat at odds with what Jesus himself taught, though he is indeed sometimes brilliant and often poetic. (Look in particular at the difference in attitude towards women and the position of women in the church community.) While certainly the Christianity that has spread throughout the world owes a great deal to Paul, he was often over a long period of time at odds with virtually all of the apostles who had personally known Jesus, one of which was Jesus' brother. They themselves disagreed with much of what Paul taught and sent emissaries to places that Paul had preached to "undo" what they saw to be error.

One problem in particular that I have with Paul is this: Paul is a Roman citizen. This means that he must by law perform worship to the Roman Emperor at least once a year. To not do so is sedition and punishable by death. Paul does not know Jesus and appears not to have been in Israel during the time that Christ lives.

Some time after Jesus' death he arrives and begins persecuting the Christians. Note that the Christians were, in the eyes of Rome, rebels. He's involved in the stoning of Stephen. And then he leaves for Damascus with a commission to root out the Christians living there.

Along the way some "miracle" occurs, which Paul claims is a vision during which he meets the now-arisen Jesus, who makes him an apostle. No witness testimony has come down to us, if it ever existed. And we are to believe that this same Jesus, who was so concerned about validating his resurrection as to let Thomas see his wounds, felt no need to provide any verification whatever for his apostles as to either Paul's conversion or his appointment as an apostle.

After some time Paul returns to Jerusalem, where the Christian community is pretty clear that they do not believe his story. He goes out preaching, they have to send others behind him to undo the damage. Then comes the whole battle with Peter and James over the "unclean" meat vision.

Eventually, Paul is arrested by the Roman authorities, and it is only then, when it looks as if he may be put to death, that he reveals that he is in fact a Roman citizen and must be tried in Rome, not Jerusalem.

So, all these many years that have passed he has concealed the significant fact that he is required to perform worship to the Emperor. This can mean only one of two things: that he went to great lengths to keep his emperor worship hidden (making him a sneak) or that he was "excused" by the Emperor, as you might excuse an undercover cop or a spy.

418 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:27:57pm
#413 buzzsawmonkey 10/30/2006 06:07PM PST

#399 Yank in the EU

I'd like to head off any possibility of a minor internecine religious war before it gets any closer.

One of the clearest helps that I have ever seen to bridge the gap here is a book written about 100 years ago by a man that was a Rabbinical scholar. I don't remember his name, but the book is available in print. "The Life & Times of Jesus the Messiah."

419 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:31:57pm
420 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:32:22pm

#413 buzzsawmonkey

I certainly agree. On a personal note, I do not feel unnecessarily burdened by concerns regarding discussions on issues concerning Judaism and Christianity, probably because I was raised in an area of NJ where a majority of people went to the synagogue on Shabbot, and the rest were Catholics. As a result of attending countless Bar Mitzvahs and so forth, I spent much time with this debate and the Catholic side in particular, which is a complex one indeed. It is, I think, the ethos of America and the recognized tradition of our 'Judeo-Christian values' that in a historically unique way makes a very civil and respectful debate possible. Freedom is a guiding principle in our society and that is historically revolutionary. In respect to this relationship between Christians and Jews, America and Europe are absolutely different; the general position in Europe towards Israel remains horrid. That has a role to play. Hopefully Americans, Christian and Jewish, can talk openly and without rancor all matters, but I would probably agree with you if you find it prudent to avoid the NT. My intention, I state openly, would never be to proslytize; I would personally find that (even as a misunderstanding) most awkward and out of place in general.

421 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:33:20pm
#412 Yank in the EU 10/30/2006 06:05PM PST

#409 funky chicken

The thing is that she was clearly agreeing with a woman who said that the moral teachings in the Torah only required Jews to treat non-Jews morally, not necessarily Gentiles. About the other part, I easily agree: certainly no one here has even begun to think about how the laws of the Torah would somehow govern non-Jews. I think part of the difference of our viewpoints concerns my belief, as a Christian, that the teachings of Paul are part of the true message of God. I believe God spoke to Paul. Clearly she is rejecting that in favor of a theory about Paul's alleged inclinations towards pagan beliefs.

Absolutely I do reject Paul. But I do not do so on a "theory about alleged inclinations toward pagan beliefs," I do so on Paul's own statement regarding his Roman citizenship and the historical record of what that citizenship entailed - the pagan worship of the Roman emperor as god.

422 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:36:50pm
#419 buzzsawmonkey 10/30/2006 06:31PM PST

#418 galloping granny

"The Life & Times of Jesus the Messiah."

At the risk of appearing overly sectarian, from my perspective the use of the term "Messiah" in the title is not a recommendation.

I can see where that might be disturbing. Plese remember that the book was written more than 100 years ago and it was written for a Christian audience, explaining things in the New Testament from a Jewish perspective. Very well footnoted BTW, with hundreds of references from the Talmud. (and other places too.)

423 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:44:30pm
#403 funky chicken 10/30/2006 05:42PM PST

390 galloping granny. Wow...you always impress me with your great explanations of things. I've never been fond of Paulian tenets as stand alone dogma.

Me too. And since I come from a rather hodge-podge religious "background" (Methodist mother, "baptist" father, Episcopalian aunt, Catholic uncle, a grandpa that served passover wine at Easter to the men on the porch..and more) many years ago I sat down with a Bible (which grew to more than 20 translations) and asked G_d to teach me.

424 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:46:44pm

#417 GG

I have always found Paul somewhat at odds with what Jesus himself taught, though he is indeed sometimes brilliant and often poetic. (Look in particular at the difference in attitude towards women and the position of women in the church community.) While certainly the Christianity that has spread throughout the world owes a great deal to Paul, he was often over a long period of time at odds with virtually all of the apostles who had personally known Jesus, one of which was Jesus' brother. They themselves disagreed with much of what Paul taught and sent emissaries to places that Paul had preached to "undo" what they saw to be error.

I'd really like to look more into this issue. Is that the source you are referring to on these points in #418? In a general sense, as well, in the early stages of Christianity there were an enormous amount of issues such as theological doctrines and questions of interpretation that were left open. I am fairly self-conscious that, while Catholicism is the largest group, many Christian denominations fiercely contend on many of these very points and there is a large amount of scholarship devoted to this. I believe with strong basis in reason, theoretical and historical, in the creation of the Church as part of Jesus' message to the Apostles as well as the guidance of the Holy Spirit in Paul to lead the one true Church on the right path. To fit such a discussion into posts on LGF, even by way of summary or simple statements of position, seems to me as a unwise endeavor. We would need the texts before us, and so forth, I think. I certainly read carefully and consider your post, however. Thank you.

425 Solomon2  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:57:12pm

Geez. And I had just written in my blog that Musharaf is the World's Most Clever Leader. Whoda thought he could be that deceitful?

426 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:58:46pm
427 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 4:59:57pm

#421 GG

I do so on Paul's own statement regarding his Roman citizenship and the historical record of what that citizenship entailed - the pagan worship of the Roman emperor as god.

Not to start conflict, but I see absolutely no contradiction in living in Rome as a Christian and yet being a citizen of Rome. Most of all, I bear in mind that St. Paul was persecuted mercilessly for not repudiating his Christian faith and he was then martyred in the true sense for his refusal to reject his Christian faith. This is not the act of a pagan, and a pagan would not establish the orthodox teachings of Christ himself among the Gentiles, which through the Holy Spirit made possible the spread of Christianity.

428 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 5:02:06pm
#424 Yank in the EU 10/30/2006 06:46PM PST

#417 GG


I'd really like to look more into this issue. Is that the source you are referring to on these points in #418?

No, not at all. The source I am referring to in #418 is of value concerning buzzsaw's contention that Jews and Christians often see the same text completely differently. Life & Times puts a strictly-Jewish perspective on many things mentioned in the NT that are often the subject of that difference. Holidays, legal rules, marriage, all kinds of stuff.

See my #423 for part of my sources for my statements about Paul. The historical stuff about emperor worship you can find in any good book of Roman history, including a number even at junior high level.

429 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 5:08:05pm
#426 buzzsawmonkey 10/30/2006 06:58PM PST

#420 Yank in the EU

I'm not worried about proselytization, and certainly didn't mean to suggest you were engaging in it.

Rather, I'm concerned about getting into things which are inevitably viewed from very different perspectives by Christians and Jews. For example, if we were to talk about the story of the "good Samaritan," it would be necessary to point out that Samaritans were considered heretics at the time of Jesus, so "good Samaritan" intentionally carried connotations at the time which were akin to referring to someone as a "chaste whore."

In that story the Samaritan is preceded by a priest (Kohen) and a Levite. Jews are called up to the Torah even today in the order of Kohen, Levi, Yisroel (ordinary Jews); in this story, therefore, we have three people "called to the Torah," i.e., called to the mitzvah of helping a stricken traveler, and the Kohen and the Levi fail in their duty, to be shown up by the heretic.

This takes us to considering the power-struggle which was ongoing during Jesus' time between the Temple-based observance which was run by the Kohanim and the Levites, and the still-nascent insurgence of rabbinic (Pharasaic) Judaism, of which Jesus was a part.

It becomes awkward to point out to most Christians that Jesus was himself a Pharisee, given the opprobrium rained on Pharisees by the Gospels--but that had largely to do with the fact that the Pharisaic establishment rejected the Messianic claims of Jesus' followers, and the Gospels, which were written down after Jesus' death, returned the favor.

As I have said, it is difficult to get into this sort of thing without stepping on someone's toes, so I apologize if the above has offended anyone.

I think most Christians would agree with your interpretation of the Good Samaritan.

As far as the Jesus being a Pharisee, certainly at least some Christians are aware of that. Much of the opprobrium regarding the Pharisees has been more recently been pointed out as mis-translations of certain terms, as is the "iscariot" in Judas Iscariot, betrayer of Christ. That has been pretty well proven to be "sicarius" - as in a knife or dagger. In other words, he was a rebel against Rome.

430 Yank in the EU  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 5:11:12pm

#429 Galloping Granny

The historical stuff about emperor worship you can find in any good book of Roman history, including a number even at junior high level.

Ah, right, for all the historians and simply ordinary people with common sense who find your view of St. Paul faulty, the trouble is they probably couldn't even read a junior high school textbook.

431 galloping granny  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 5:15:24pm
#430 Yank in the EU 10/30/2006 07:11PM PST

#429 Galloping Granny

The historical stuff about emperor worship you can find in any good book of Roman history, including a number even at junior high level.

Ah, right, for all the historians and simply ordinary people with common sense who find your view of St. Paul faulty, the trouble is they probably couldn't even read a junior high school textbook.

Yoww! Perhaps some have never considered it. And my view is not as unusual as you might think. It simply is not the Catholic view.

My problem with Paul, btw, is not his living as a Christian in Rome. It is his failure to disclose the very important point of his Roman citizenship.

432 PJH  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 5:50:12pm

More gun ignorance from the MSM. Does anyone really believe that those weapons being held at the rally were "semiautomatics"? I'm betting full auto's, unless Chuckie Schumer and the Dems are working behind the scenes to promote "gun safety" among terrorists.

433 Dr. Manhattan  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 6:27:56pm

"It was an American plane behind the attack and Pakistan is taking responsibility because they know there would be a civil war if the American responsibility was known," said Ahmed.

*Pause*

Ok. That is a quote from a CNN article now running on their main webpage. Ahmed believes that:

1)The US executes school attack.
2)Pakistan covers up for U.S. because (look below)

"because they know there would be a civil war if the American responsibility was known"

YET!

3)Everyone does seem to "know"
4)There is no civil war.

Conspiracy nuts: the same worldwide

434 theheat  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 6:39:37pm
“We had information about the presence of 70 to 80 miscreants, including some foreigners, who were engaging in militant training in this madrassa and we carried out an operation using gunship helicopters and precision weapons,” he said Monday.

“Most of the compound was destroyed.”

And the problem with killing miscreants engaging in military training is what?

Hats off to Pakistan if they pulled this off. I seriously doubt we did, since we seem to have an aversion to killing bad guys in large groups. If we had leveled one "compound" a day since we went to war, the war would be over by now. And there would be plenty of parking.

435 ckb  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 7:17:58pm

#272:

Thanks for the assessment - looks like what I expected.

436 republic  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 7:34:24pm

There will be more to follow, I'm sure.

Splendid news!

437 Cognito  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 8:18:17pm

344 taxfreekiller,

I'm late arriving, tonight. So sorry I missed your interesting and book-length love letter.

Your obsession is cute. Really. But I'm married.

Let's just be friends.

438 antisocial_ist  Mon, Oct 30, 2006 10:38:20pm

One thought that does give me some satisfaction:

Though we have been fighting since 2001 with one hand tied behind our backs by LLLs, I know there have been contemplative times in dark caves or dark nights on the run, where some of these top guys have quietly said to themselves,

"You know, maybe it wasn't the best idea to attack the Pentagon. Maybe life wasn't so bad, before the U.S. came overseas to start hunting us all down. I miss my satellite dish and my sauna and my daily massages."

You know some of them have had second thoughts, and are getting tired of a life on the run.

:D

439 Greg  Tue, Oct 31, 2006 3:52:27am

#99 MM

Spare the cat. Just visit a local Borders and transplant some Korans into the Homosexuality Reader section. It's harmless idiocy but you'll snicker and you'll really confuse staff scanning the shelves. Hakim Bey (that nut) would call such a thing "poetic terrorism".

---

Naw...we just take them and put them in the farm animal section or dogs and cats as pets (definitely haraam...)...also looseleaf "cartoon" supliments inside the pages for anyone foolish enough to buy this terrorist manual...

440 da lai lager  Tue, Oct 31, 2006 4:31:02am

Did I hear "disproportionate"?

[Link: theblankpagesoftheage.blogspot.com...]

441 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Oct 31, 2006 4:44:56am

News Piece in Dawn (Pakistan newspaper) says that it was the Pakistan Army that did it:
Dawn Newspaper

442 shortboard surfer  Tue, Oct 31, 2006 5:52:14am

#378 galloping granny

I did see some male posting a while back somewhere that if you thought about it, these are perpetual virgins.

I tried using this line on the girls in high school.

"C'mon, it grows back in a week"

The girls were too smart to fall for it, though.

Says something about islam, though, doesn't it?

443 Yank in the EU  Tue, Oct 31, 2006 5:53:34am

#412 to #409 funky chicken.

Oops, I just realized now that I mis-typed. It should be "...Torah only required Jews to treat other Jews morally." I suppose that is clear from the context, but just in case.

444 Solomon2  Wed, Nov 1, 2006 10:16:06am

An updated post on Musharraf - which predicted he might do something like this - here. Visit Mullah Omar's madrassa here.

445 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Nov 1, 2006 2:04:49pm

Mush claims that they were all militants: [Link: www.dawn.com...]


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