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Kerry in 72: Volunteer Army Would Perpetuate "War Crimes"

Thu, Nov 2, 2006 at 8:13:10 am PST

Here’s a reminder that John F. Kerry’s anti-military remarks do not exist in a vacuum: Kerry’s ’72 Army Comments Mirror Latest. (Hat tip: Natan.)

WASHINGTON (AP) - During a Vietnam-era run for Congress three decades ago, John Kerry said he opposed a volunteer Army because it would be dominated by the underprivileged, be less accountable and be more prone to “the perpetuation of war crimes.” ...

In 1972, as he ran for the House, he was less apologetic in his comments about the merits of a volunteer army. He declared in the questionnaire that he opposed the draft but considered a volunteer army “a greater anathema.”

“I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown,” Kerry wrote. “We must not repeat the travesty of the inequities present during Vietnam. I also fear having a professional army that views the perpetuation of war crimes as simply ‘doing its job.’

“Equally as important, a volunteer army with our present constitutional crisis takes accountability away from the president and put the people further from control over military activities,” he wrote.

UPDATE at 11/2/06 8:19:41 am:

The New York Times, meanwhile, is running interference for Kerry by printing his alleged “prepared remarks” as an actual quote: New York Times Lies to Its Readers About the Content of Kerry’s Remarks.

UPDATE at 11/2/06 8:36:25 am:

Seymour Hersh wants us to know that John Kerry is right about the troops: “There has never been an American army as violent and murderous as the one in Iraq.” He claims to have seen video of atrocities—but Hersh has also admitted publicly that he thinks it’s OK to lie for political reasons.

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1 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:15:22am

So Kerry thinks "blacks and browns" are prone to committing war crimes... got it.

2 mglazer  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:16:36am

Last year sKerry said on TV US soldiers in Iraq were terrorizing women and children

3 RightLogic  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:16:37am

Coward then, coward now.

4 Capt. Queeg  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:16:45am

Is there anything this guy has not said then unsaid in his politacl career?

5 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:16:53am

Can't keep up with Charles ..!

Check out the cover of the New York Post today !

6 mglazer  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:16:59am

He's Boufant reminds of French Cowardice

7 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:17:16am

So.
Has he retired yet?

8 RTLM  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:17:35am

First in a long line of "misinterpretations" & "misrepresentations" of John Kerry's words.

This man is a Buffoon and is anti-US Military

9 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:17:59am

At least he has been consistent on one front.

Scum then, scum now.

10 niall  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:18:03am

So, not only would they be poor and black, they'd be war criminals?

/but he supports the troops

11 xtraBilly  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:18:05am

very nuanced

12 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:18:12am
In 1972, as he ran for the House, he was less apologetic in his comments about the merits of a volunteer army. He declared in the questionnaire that he opposed the draft but considered a volunteer army “a greater anathema.”

Okay, what kind of military does Kerry favor? One composed of entirely of mercenaries?

I can't believe millions voted for this twit.

13 ferris  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:18:24am

I know a lot of people give Kerry a hard time for flip-flopping but I don't think that's fair. Kerry has been wrong for over 35 years when it comes to just about everything and he's been slandering the military for just as long. That's pretty consistent if you ask me.

14 Peacekeeper  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:18:50am

Kerr err err erry babe babe bee

15 Abu Maven  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:18:52am

“I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown.”

He must have been referring to Bush and his team.

16 BabbaZee  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:19:03am

Posted this on the dead thread hours ago, there's some comments there on it in between the chatter if you can get the thread to load.

17 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:19:03am

“I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown,” Kerry wrote. “We must not repeat the travesty of the inequities present during Vietnam. I also fear having a professional army that views the perpetuation of war crimes as simply ‘doing its job."

Ahh, yes, the genesis of the whole "inequities" meme the left has been spouting for the past 30+ years. They always conveniently leave out the fact that minorities were NOT overrepresented in the Vietnam War. Of course, if any ethnic group is overrepresented (as a proportion of the population) in a volunteer army, the left claims it is due to the fact that they are economically disadvantaged and/or undereducated. Patriotism can never get any credit as a motivating factor.

18 galloping granny  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:19:29am

Sounds like he hasn't changed his mind much in 34 years. Stuck in the past.

Now, IT IS TIME FOR HIM TO ANSWER THE LONG STANDING QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS PAST!

Kerry himself has repeatedly in the last few days brought up his Vietnam service, asking how dare we question him. We DARE. He needs to release his DD180, something he promised to do a long time ago.

BTW, the Swift Boat Vets will be on Hannity & Colmes tonight on Fox.

19 sngnsgt  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:19:38am

Well, I think this time, Kerry may have really done something for his country!

/sarc

20 Peacekeeper  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:19:54am

nd the lights all went out in Massachusetts...

21 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:20:08am

Thailand surrenders

Thai leader apologises to Muslims

Surayud Chulanont, the prime minister of Thailand, has apologised to the country's southern Muslims for past government policies.

Speaking to 1,000 Muslim leaders on Thursday, Surayud pledged to investigate the disappearance of Muslims and to root out corrupt and abusive officials in the three southern provinces.

"I'm here today to apologise for what past and present governments have done," Surayud said in the southern town of Pattani.

"I come here today to reach out to everyone and say: I am sorry," Surayud said.

He admitted that, as a former army chief, he had failed to counter the oppressive actions of Thaksin Shinawatra, the former president.

In 2002, Thaksin dissolved a 21-year-old multi-agency body once credited with keeping stability there, saying the low-key separatist movements of the 1970s and 1980s had come to an end and the violence was caused mainly by "petty thugs".

After the Southern Border Provinces Administration Centre (SBPAC) was disbanded, unrest brewed and exploded in January 2004 when there were a number of arson attacks on schools across the region and raids on an army camp.

22 mbruce  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:20:23am

I question if he has ever been right about anything.
The Dems have quite a record of choosing the losing argument.

23 world b. free  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:20:56am

Meet the new Kerry. Same as the old Kerry.

24 Spiny Norman  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:21:22am
He declared in the questionnaire that he opposed the draft but considered a volunteer army “a greater anathema.”

Apparently, then-candidate Lurch felt the US should have NO military at all. For some reason, I doubt his opinion has changed much in 34 years.

25 shug  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:21:38am

Ignored by the MSM then and now

26 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:21:56am
27 rw in san diego  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:22:26am

Still the same old John Kerry...I oppose a professional army, I oppose a volunteer army...except when I don't. Kerry is a pathetic piece of work. He is without principles, backbone, or honor. What the hell is wrong with the Massachusetts voters?

28 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:22:29am

The AP story here is by John Solomon, Associated Press' assistant bureau chief in D.C..

The AP has apparently decided to throw Kerry overboard.

29 scoreboard44  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:23:03am

I graduated High School in '77. good thing I didn't get into the military, me being "White Trash" and all would have made the military even worse than "Carry" describes.

sarcasm mode / off

30 mglazer  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:23:23am

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31 Hazmat  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:24:09am

The Queen of the catsup kingdom lives in his own sad little world isolated from reality.

32 scoreboard44  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:24:19am

He was destined to be a "Dear Leader" in his own mind.


Sarcasm mode / back on

33 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:24:32am

#5 NoS

Did you see where the Post has passed the NYT in circulation? This according to Laura Ingraham.

34 pat  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:25:08am

I think a complete re-examination of this fools Military career is in order, including verification of his discharge. What is particularly irksome is this knowledge is known by many. And while the Pentagon has no trouble leaking classified info, we cannot get Kerry's discharge info.

35 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:26:17am
I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown,” Kerry wrote. “We must not repeat the travesty of the inequities present during Vietnam. I also fear having a professional army that views the perpetuation of war crimes as simply ‘doing its job.

Time to get the Military Channel.

36 salt1907  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:26:25am
37 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:26:34am

Oh and...

4 Months.

38 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:26:49am

And Macaca too.

39 incanus  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:27:45am
“Equally as important, a volunteer army with our present constitutional crisis takes accountability away from the president and put the people further from control over military activities,” he wrote.

I was born in 1972 so I don't recall what "constitutional crisis" Kerry was referring to. Can anyone help?

Why does it seem like whenever Democrats aren't in power, there's a "constitutional crisis" ?

40 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:27:46am

NoSubmission,

I love the Post cover today. Did you see the insert earlier this week that had a bunch of the past covers? I believe it was the Monday or Tuesday edition. Some of the classics, including "Headless Body in Topless Bar".

Anyway, I'm really shocked the Times would be so duplicitous as to carry water for Lerch. It's not like they're in the business of undermining the truth or lying to the public. Oh wait, they are doing that.

41 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:27:51am
42 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:28:02am
43 galloping granny  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:28:20am
#35 Ben Hur 11/2/2006 08:26AM PST

I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown,” Kerry wrote. “We must not repeat the travesty of the inequities present during Vietnam. I also fear having a professional army that views the perpetuation of war crimes as simply ‘doing its job.

Time to get the Military Channel.

DirectTV. We love it. They have NASA too.

44 FrogMarch  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:28:59am

The leftist Democrats at the New York Times, lie?

Gee? - who knew.

45 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:30:04am

Oh, and I forgot:

Kerry: 76 GPA

Ben Hur: 86 GPA (In other language than mother tongue)

Bush: Harvard MBA

Who you calling Stupid, stupid?

46 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:30:18am

I am getting really tired of these pundits(like the one in the post above)

Look: I believe, on balance, that it probably was a botched joke.

saying this was a bad joke gone wrong.

HE HAS A HISTORY OF THIS!

HE DID NOT THINK ANYONE WOULD OBJECT TO IT!

It was by dumb luck that this got out in the public at all. The bastard meant what he said. This was not a goddamn joke!

Giving him a pass is also an insult to the troops!

47 galloping granny  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:31:24am
#39 incanus 11/2/2006 08:27AM PST

“Equally as important, a volunteer army with our present constitutional crisis takes accountability away from the president and put the people further from control over military activities,” he wrote.

I was born in 1972 so I don't recall what "constitutional crisis" Kerry was referring to. Can anyone help?

Why does it seem like whenever Democrats aren't in power, there's a "constitutional crisis" ?

Got to tell you, I was alive - and an adult - in 72, remember 72 pretty well and do not recall any particular Constitutional crisis. Busing was an issue in some states, women were gearing up for the Women's Rights Amendment and Kerry & his ilk were tossing medals over the White House gate, but nothing I would term a Constitutional crisis.

48 mglazer  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:31:35am

4 Months

49 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:31:48am

The Saddam Hussein verdict is coming SUnday.

Get the tinfoil hats ready.

... On the Internet, in US leftist discussion forums and among some bloggers, there is a strong suspicion that the date was chosen on purpose to benefit the Republicans.

"Given the Bush administration's history of timing national security-related actions to the political calendar, has the date for the verdict's release been set to provide maximum political benefit for the administration and congressional Republicans?" asked a blogger on the DemocraticUnderground.com discussion site.

Tom Engelhardt, writing in the leftist The Nation magazine, notes that the verdict comes "curiously enough, just two days before the midterm elections. It's the sort of the thing that -- you would think -- any reporter with knowledge of the US election cycle ... would at least note in an article. But no, you can search high and low without finding a reference to this in the mainstream media."

US Ambassador in Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad rejects the charges, insisting that the date was set by Iraqi judges and that Washington had no role in the decision.

Maybe afterward, Rove will roll out bin Laden and Zawahiri.

Just a thought: Were Saddam not found guilty, would that also be a Bush conspiracy?

Not sure if the morons thought of that one.

50 Leper  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:32:44am

I hear that Ted Kennedy has asked him to go for a ride in the country this weekend...

51 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:33:40am

#12 Dirk

The only army Kerry and the libs would support is one that keeps them in power.

52 Ben Hur  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:34:21am

galloping granny

I love it!

Especially when they break down different operations.

And I'm addicted to special forces, seals, etc, training programs.

These guys trying out for these elite units are unbelievable.

It's what I thought of when I heard the McDonald's Moon Guy make his "joke"

53 galloping granny  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:34:23am
#45 Ben Hur 11/2/2006 08:30AM PST

Oh, and I forgot:

Kerry: 76 GPA

Ben Hur: 86 GPA (In other language than mother tongue)

Bush: Harvard MBA

Who you calling Stupid, stupid?

He better not be calling me stupid. I got half again as much as he did on the same SAT, and walked out of college with a >3.8 GPA, which comes out to >95%. My mother tongue, but had a house of teens and a full time job.

He is SUCH a pompous ass!

54 tfc3rid  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:34:41am

Posted on the Dead Thread...

My letter to the editors of the Times...

Shame on the New York Times for once again providing aid and comfort to the enemy by once again printing and 'reporting' on classified Department of Defense information. I really do not think that the journalists, editors and most readers of this newspaper understand what we are really fighting. We are fighting an ideology that hates us and our way of life. An ideology that beheads those who it disagrees with. There is no room for debate or negotiation, there is only compulsion and oppression.

The War on Terror, which we are fighting in Afghanistan (as part of NATO) and in Iraq, is also being fought over the airwaves and in newspapers. The more information or disinformation that the terrorists can see in Western dailies, the more empowered they become. They are impacting the ideas of Western civilization with respect to how the war is really going. Outlets such as the New York Times, printing of classified information once again, clearly shows that the Times is against the execution of the war and in turn, the war itself. I find it truly disgusting that the so-called Newspaper of Record can provide aid and comfort to the enemy, which is treason. I hope that this time, the government right prosecutes journalists for printing information that puts our men and women at risk.

55 Mormon Doc  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:37:24am

I joined the military precisely because of the things that are so derided by the libs. I was poor, I couldn't pay for school and I was looking for a way up. Why in the world is that a bad thing? I am grateful that I live in a country that would be so generous as to give me such an opportunity.

56 pat  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:39:09am

Thomas Sowell on the MSM attempt to block for Kerry.

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

Surely by now the press must realize this arrogant ass has no loyalty?

57 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:39:22am

#40 JammieWearingFool


"Headless Body in Topless Bar"

I used to collect the NYPost covers in the 80's when all hell was loose here. I remember that one!

You gotta LOVE the Post!

GIS DROP SMART BOMB ON KERRY:
HILARIOUS HEROES FIRE BACK OVER DEM AND DUMBER CRACK ABOUT IRAQ

58 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:39:36am

Hey, but never forget that they support our troops.

(flog the blog time)

59 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:40:28am

33 Ward Cleaver

#5 NoS

Did you see where the Post has passed the NYT in circulation? This according to Laura Ingraham.



EGGzelent!

60 loppyd  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:40:43am

50 Leper

I hear that Ted Kennedy has asked him to go for a ride in the country this weekend...

he should be more afraid if The Swimmer asks him to go to the Vineyard...

61 Gin Blossom  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:41:02am

Thank you Charles, and thank you, Natan for posting this. Most people do not realize and I'm sure Kerry doesn't want them to know this backstory on Kerry.

This is why Kerry ran from the Swiftvets as if the hounds of hell were upon him while trying to paint all of them as liars. He had to discredit them because he needs the public to perceive his "testimony" before Congress back in April of 1971 as someone who served and whose sole purpose of being there was to "save" the troops from being the "last man to die" for an unjust war.

Yet Kerry is the still the ultimate liberal. The same kind you see today, the kind that say they care for our troops but that those same troops are "people that barely made it out of high school". (the modus operandi of the Liberal, the snide putdown of their target's intellect)

Kerry still cannot fathom why an entire generation of Vietnam Vets despise him, after all, he "saved" them. He has worked with ex-veterans to help improve their lot but he doesn't realize that many of them needed help from the ramifications of his actions back then in 1971, sitting before Congress, "testifying" that the military were over there raping babies, murdering women and children, ravaging the countryside. That the majority of those who were over there were the "dregs" of society, drafted or joining the military because they had no other options in their sorry "uneducated" state, that the government was victimizing these poor bastards, many of whom deserved what they got because like now, they "didn't do their homework and weren't smart enough to stay out of Vietnam/Irag.

And it slipped out again, when he stood before the students at that college. Kerry couldn't help it, he let lose his "verbal slip."

Kerry never gave the big apology, the apology that said he was sorry that he sat in the hollowed marbled halls of Congress and knowingly lied in order to make a name for himself because he was gearing up to run for office. That he slandered and smeared his fellow servicemen, some who had already given the ultimate sacrifice, their lives, so that he could further his aspirations. That he met not once, but twice, with the Viet Cong in Paris, while still a member of the armed forces because his grandiosity knows no bounds and that it led to treason, to his country, and to his fellow vets.

62 JAT  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:42:45am

Kerry - Hersch - not much difference. Both men of ...wait! wont go there. Dirt bags...

63 rastajenk  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:43:20am

When was Seymour Hersh right about anything? Was it before or since Kerry was right about anything?

64 Aladin Sane  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:43:44am

#61 GB

Well said!

65 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:43:53am

I googled and yahooed the “I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown,”

NOT ONE HIT.

Then I went to ask.com and found several sites.

google sucks and so does yahoo.

66 doppelganglander  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:44:28am

My daughter and I did early voting this morning. It was very satisfying to hit all those little R's on the evil Diebold touchscreen. My only regret is that I didn't get to vote against Kerry again.

67 mich-again  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:45:18am

The lie in the NYT story is a new low. Simply unbelievable, even for the Grey-Hag-Rag. A professional journalist at the so-called "Newspaper of Record" just making sh*t up in a news story to help sway an election. Jayson Blair got fired for less.

68 ProUSA  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:45:36am

Dear Lurch:

No one wants you to answer the door anymore. We can get it ourselves. You may retire now.


Sincerely,

The Adams Family

69 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:48:12am

68 ProUSA,

good one!

[Link: www.televisionheaven.co.uk...]

70 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:52:25am

So, the poor, black and brown people are more likely to commit war crimes?

Gah!

71 tfc3rid  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:54:01am

Oops... Posted this on the last thread:

Correction on one thing...

The NY Post passed the NY Daily News and Washington Post in terms of circulation numbers, not the Times... Yet...

On the Jean Francois situation, he and the Dems despise our troops, we know it... Lets get our base out there to keep our guys, flawed though they be, in power... In addition, Shrillary really did not distance herself as much as is being reported. She barely said that Kerrys comments were worng but not that the substance was wrong...

Problem is, KErry just said it one week too soon... He needed to wait until the Dems had the majority to say what they all really think!

72 Carolina Girl  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:56:14am

Kerry SERVED only because he couldn't get a third deferment to study in France. He wanted SwiftBoat duty because at that time it involved merely patrolling the territorial waters off the Coast of Vietnam. Once Swiftboats were brought inland and in harm's way, this so-called "patriotic war hero" worked overtime getting himself three purple hearts for injuries that would barely merit a visit to an emergency room in civilian life.

Then he comes back, sees there's gold "gold in them thar hills" of the anti-war movement, appears before Congress, and calls my father a "baby-killer."

Charles would boot me off this board if I said what was in my heart about this despicable piece of traitorous #$%^. This was no mistake. What Kerry didn't realize is that someone would get it on tape and get it out into the mainstream.

73 mama winger  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:57:14am

Oh lookie what I found in the archives:

Kerry: Stark choice in New Hampshire
'We need more than ... the latest slip of the tongue'

Monday, December 29, 2003 Posted: 12:01 PM EST (1701 GMT)

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire (AP) -- With a month to go before the New Hampshire primary, John Kerry made some of his strongest attacks yet against Democratic front-runner Howard Dean, portraying Dean as inexperienced in foreign policy, wrong-headed on the economy and a muddled thinker.

"People are left wondering: What will he say next?" said Kerry, addressing about 180 supporters in a city library auditorium.

"We need more than simple answers and the latest slip of the tongue," he said. "This election is too vital for us to lose it if voters refuse to take a gamble on national security and the steadiness of our leadership."

He pointed to Dean's statements on Saddam Hussein's capture and Dean's answer to a hypothetical question about where Osama bin Laden should be tried, if captured. (Dean on bin Laden)

"What kind of muddled thinking is it if you can't instantly say that in your heart you know that bin Laden is guilty?" Kerry asked. "After every episode comes a statement trying to explain it away. Will Americans really vote for a foreign policy by clarifying press release?"

74 mama winger  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 6:58:43am

#73 me

Link:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

75 HeatherRadish  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:00:52am

#55 Mormon Doc

I joined the military precisely because of the things that are so derided by the libs. I was poor, I couldn't pay for school and I was looking for a way up. Why in the world is that a bad thing?

Because if you have a skill and a paycheck, they can't control you with welfare, and you don't vote for them out of "gratitude."

76 Lateral  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:00:58am

#65
newsjunkie_ky

Google is owned and operated by democrats, who make no attempt to hide the facts that they support (financially, as well as by censoring on google) the democratic party agenda.
If you want to find anything negative about democrats, you have to go outside of google.
Bias, prejudice, censorship, and bigotry are basic principle behind google. Its a tilted democratic and islamic propoganda tool. This is why they wanted you tube, so they can control the snuff film industry that makes anything about democrats or islam controllable to the goals of their agenda.

Screw them.

77 Clutch  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:01:28am

The biggest "war crime" was that Kerry was not slapped into chains as soon as his traitorous ass came back from meeting with the enemy in Paris and sentenced to life without parole in Leavenworth. The last that anyone would have ever heard about him would have been in an obscure obituary column somewhere that said his miserable ass had finally died while still making big ones into little ones at the Big House.

78 HeatherRadish  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:02:55am

#70 MandyManners

So, the poor, black and brown people are more likely to commit war crimes?

Plus they're all poor and stupid. But those Republicans--they're all racist bigots!

79 Nancy  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:05:52am


“I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown,” Kerry wrote. “We must not repeat the travesty of the inequities present during Vietnam.

Those two sentences do not make sense in context with one another. Viet Nam was not an all volunteer army.

80 ProUSA  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:06:55am

#73 mama winger 11/2/2006 08:57AM PST

Nice catch!

81 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:07:13am

76 Lateral,

Where do we go then?

ask.com doesn't have that many resources.

Thanks.

82 F451  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:08:45am

Trust the 'Atlanta Journal Constitution'!

They send a 'reporter' down to Ft. Benning and not only can he not find a single soldier who felt insulted by Kerry's 'joke,' they even manage to find one who says, 'Most military people are fed up with the Republicans right now. ...at least in my social circles.'

[Link: www.ajc.com...]

83 Dustoff-507  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:08:53am

#72 Carolina Girl

Charles would boot me off this board if I said what was in my heart about this despicable piece of traitorous #$%^.


Carolina girl. I think not, many of us who post here are Nam vets or vets, but all proud.

Most if not all of us HATE this dirt bag. (Kerry)

84 mama winger  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:09:10am

#80 ProUSA

Wish I had caught it sooner, like maybe yesterday. How ironic, eh?

85 funkyfantom  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:10:45am

Kerry is against the draft and against a volunteer army.

What does that leave to defend us in Kerry's World, Rosie O'Donnell?

86 Nancy  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:13:22am

#39 incanus

I also was a young adult in 1972 and there was no constitutional crisis.

87 Murqtaad  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:18:08am

So Kerry doesn't think poor gays would be stuck in the army either?

88 doppelganglander  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:19:57am

# 82 F451: That's my local birdcage liner. I wouldn't be surprised if those soldiers didn't even exist, much less said what the "reporter" claims they said.

89 Geepers  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:22:52am

hous bin pharteen (#46),


I am getting really tired of these pundits(like the one in the post above)

Look: I believe, on balance, that it probably was a botched joke.

saying this was a bad joke gone wrong.

HE HAS A HISTORY OF THIS!

HE DID NOT THINK ANYONE WOULD OBJECT TO IT!

It was by dumb luck that this got out in the public at all. The bastard meant what he said. This was not a goddamn joke!

Giving him a pass is also an insult to the troops!

Hear! Hear!

90 Catttt  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:26:30am

Senator Kerry's toast. I wish he and his handlers would listen to Don Imus and just go home.

I'm really glad the NYT is going down the tubes - they stink.

Oh, and I'm glad - and NOT surprised - that the NY Post readership is UP.

Post cover from today from today: "DEER JON"

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Headline on story from Post today:
HEROES DROP SMART BOMB ON KERRY
HILARIOUS HEROES FIRE BACK OVER DEM AND DUMBER CRACK ABOUT IRAQ

91 Dustoff-507  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:29:26am

Let's see... 1972.

I was in a far away country that Kerry said he visted and one point. So he says

92 Catttt  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:30:19am
89 Geepers

HE HAS A HISTORY OF THIS!

HE DID NOT THINK ANYONE WOULD OBJECT TO IT!

I agree. And the audience got it at the time. They chuckled. At least some of them chuckled. So the "joke" was not botched. Now, the "joke" is on Senator Kerry.

93 FrogMarch  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:31:41am

Leftists lie. Just like communists.

94 J.D.  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:33:48am

#90 Catttt
I love it!

95 incanus  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:34:40am

#47 g g

Ok, thanks. It seems like a "crisis" should be something you remember like the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Berlin Blockade Crisis (aka the Berlin Airlift), the Iranian Hostage Crisis, etc.

96 gymnast  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:36:34am

The Kerry Family Motto, translated from the French. "Once a Traitor, Always a Traitor"

97 Geepers  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:37:28am

Catttt (#92),

A bunch of lefties must be a little confused after shouting their agreement for the fine Senator only to find that Kerry didn't really mean what they thought they were agreeing with.

98 doppelganglander  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:38:21am

Rush is not letting this story die. Thank goodness!

99 GreenSoccer  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:44:26am

Who is Seymour Hersh?

100 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:51:50am

#39,

I was born in 1972 so I don't recall what "constitutional crisis" Kerry was referring to. Can anyone help?

Why does it seem like whenever Democrats aren't in power, there's a "constitutional crisis"?

It must have been the "constitutional crisis" that saw Nixon win in every state except Massachusetts and D.C.!

Yikes!

"And that was the way it was" back when the legacy media were at close to the peak of their power...

101 Joel  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 7:58:13am

Hersh has always been a communist loving, America hating, Isreal hating - prick!

102 rcris5  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 8:10:31am

With regard to Hersh...what a vile self-loathing steaming turd. I don't know how people like that can stand living in their own skin. The only good thing about Hersh is that he is old. And like an old turd, rotting and festering in the bowl, he will inevitably get flushed to the great beyond.

103 Endangered in Mass  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 8:50:07am

Lovey.. They're using my words against me again.. This never happened to John Kennedy.

I 'm filled with vigah and sail too. I mean our initials are the same and everything. Lovey make them stop!

104 aishel  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 8:55:00am

Hey, thanks for the hat tip :)

105 Joel  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 9:45:14am

Hersh is an old fashioned, hard line Red following in the footsteps of the late unlamented I.F. Stone.

OT- has anyone seen what Keith Olbermann looks like lately? He seems totally unhinged and maybe he will have a strait jacket slapped on him. I predict that in the coming weeks he will let loose with some choice expletives on air and then even PMSNBC will have to suspend or fire him.

106 slaphappy  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 11:31:57am

"Oops, did it again" kerry is one that needs some serious investigating. I didn't know this about a film/documentary about the Vietnam war and precisely kerry´s involvement. It´s called "Stolen Honor". Any one ever heard of this documentary that was to be broadcast? It was politically forced under the radar by typical moon-bat threats, such as- pulling broadcast licenses and slapped with defamation lawsuits etc. (the link takes you to the donation page, just click on "special features" and its the 15OCT2006 entry)

I think Hanoi jane is just as despicable of a human being as they get, and the statute of limitations never run out on government treason charges. jane "mattress-back" fonda better be figuring out a new defense strategy real quick. the MSM can´t ignore the facts when jane kerry get indicted on treason charges. comin soon to a theater near you.

107 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 11:48:43am
108 slotgun  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 1:31:07pm

Perhaps that pinhead Hershe meant to say that there has never been an Army capable of delivering such lethality to the field of combat. In that case, he'd be right, and it would be an example of your tax dollars effectively at work.

And perhaps I will win Powerball on Saturday . . .

109 slaphappy  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 1:54:01pm

Nice taxfree...well said amigo

I have never read, heard, discussed, seen, recollect, osmotic knowledged or otherwise foil hatted such a treasonous bastard as JFknK in all my days. A modern day "Manchurian candidate" so meticulous in preparatory slander to attempt to gain our countries highest public office and once again denigrate our fighting tigers from 1971 to present day.

A narcissistic chameleon was born.

110 gonzo  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 2:03:24pm

As relates to Hersh:

During his hour-and-a-half lecture – part of the launch of an interdisciplinary media and communications studies program called Media@McGill

Sounds like quagmire and torture rolled into one...

111 mattm  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 2:20:34pm

Another reason why I don't beleive his "apology."

112 legalpad  Thu, Nov 2, 2006 2:27:43pm
a volunteer army with our present constitutional crisis takes accountability away from the president and put the people further from control over military activities,

So, let me get this straight: "The people" will have more control over the military, if we force them and their children to be soldiers regardless of their desires or aptitude.
Kerry, like most Dems, is a Carterese totalitarian. (Jimmy reinstated registration for the draft)


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