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Sun, Nov 5, 2006 at 8:34:43 am PST

A sampling of the comments at Huffington Post about Saddam’s death sentence. (Hat tip: Right Brain.)

Behold, the Democrats’ base.

Saddam is a far better man than George W. Bush ever thought about being.

By: shrike on November 05, 2006 at 07:58am

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wow are bush, cheney, rumsfield and rice next?seems to me the killed about as many innocent iraqis as saddam did, and about as many innocent , trusting troops as civilians we lost on 9/11

By: stamper on November 05, 2006 at 07:35am

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Now how about going after George Bush.

By: waxxx on November 05, 2006 at 07:36am

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The number of innocents massacred by the neo-con zionist regime directing the Bush administration dwarfs those attributed to Saddam

By: FUBush on November 05, 2006 at 07:41am

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I don’t know of anyone who thinks this was a “fair trial”.

By: Dillon on November 05, 2006 at 07:58am

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If Bush was hung side by side with Saddam it would certainly help the cause of a better Iraq. Add Cheney and Rumsfeld and that would placate everyone.

By: BushCoSatanIncarnate on November 05, 2006 at 08:44am

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1 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:35:48am

aww. St. Andrew should be proud.

2 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:36:23am
3 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:37:09am

This stuff is straight from the mouths of hell.

I mean - really. Just soaked with hateful spewing venom.

4 ahem  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:37:23am

What a bunch of immoral lunatic asses.

5 kathyn  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:37:29am

The sad truth is, if some of these moonbats have their way, they will put Bush on trial for war crimes...they will join the Internation Crimes Court. Save us all!

6 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:37:55am

God help us!

7 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:37:56am

Okay, now I know they're nuts.

8 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:38:15am

These people must get out of bed each morning and figure out new ways to be loathsome.

I'd like to know if any one of them own an American flag.

9 SkyeChild  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:38:29am

Considering moonbat doesn't know that a person is "hanged," not "hung," it's pretty hard to take it (moonbat) seriously.

10 ReverendYJ  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:38:53am

Yeah they said the same thing about Truman during the Nazi trials...

What, they didn't? Oh.

11 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:38:56am

Lefty has never met a dictator he didn't like.

12 directorblue  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:39:05am

#4 - yep, indeed they are. They laughingly talk about dismantling the Patriot Act, eradicating the international terrorist wiretaps, killing off SWIFT analysis, etc... without considering the consequences for even a moment.

It's all partisan gamesmanship to them when, in truth, nothing could be more serious.

13 Captain Midnight  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:39:12am

But are we really surprised that the lunatic left loves totalitarian dictators? They love both Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, so why should they not love Hussein?

14 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:39:17am

Well, it had been predicted after all that we'd get this very reaction.

These are the same folks who would have complained about the death sentences imposed at Nuremberg on the Nazis. These are the same people who only see that Bush was the one responsible for deposing Saddam, not that Saddam needed to be deposed for all his crimes against humanity. The Dujail massacre being but one piece in a larger pattern of death, destruction and tyranny by Saddam and his minions.

15 Tuna  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:39:22am

#3

Amen Mama Winger.

Heartless, hateful bastards.

Unfuckingbelievable.

-The Tuna

16 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:39:33am

Gramscian WHORE pamphlet takers.
The banality of evil.

17 kathyn  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:39:36am
Saddam is a far better man than George W. Bush ever thought about being

In what alternate universe does this guy live? Saddam is an inhuman monster.

18 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:39:44am

2 college students charged with trying to break into Heinz Field
[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]

NAMES please! Presuming these are adults, why must we always wait for names and other specifics?

19 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:40:14am

The modern democrat left are morally repugnant and historically clueless.

Said of Saddam's torture and death machine:

“The women and children had their share, and this is what saw: extraction of nails and teeth, electric shocks, whipping with lashes, using razors to tear the skin into shreds, my aunt was left hanging from the roof after her clothes had been wrapped of her in front of her brothers to force them to talk. Do you know how much pain we suffered? Can you imagine? I doubt it.”

Hey - that sounds just like what BushCo does everyday...

/Huffpo idiots.

20 Egfrow  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:40:24am

I see the videos on Fox News of people celebrating the death of Saddam. One little detail seems to be lost on them though...

In the backround of all the celebrating children and men are various poster of Al Sadr!

Are they celebrating the death of Saddam or the Rise of Al Sadr?

21 neverquit  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:40:55am

I apologize for being so pessimistic, but here is some thoughts I wanted to share here:

1: REPUBLICANS WILL LOSE CONTROL OF HOUSE AND SENATE 2006


2: NEXT TWO YEARS WILL SEE OUR EFFORTS IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN AND THE WAR ON TERROR IN GENERAL, IN DECLINE


3: DEMOCRATS WILL WIN PRESIDENCY IN 2008


4: CATASTROPHIC TERRORSIST ATTACKS ON US SOIL AND OUR MILITARY INSTALLATIONS ABROAD WITHIN ONE YEAR OF 2008


The Democrats have laid their future political lives on the line with the issue of the War in Iraq. Nevermind that the majority of Democrats supported the President with their votes five years ago. If they cut and run on their own President, then why should the Iraqi people trust them?

We're going to witness the largest apologist foreign policy in the history of modern democratic societies. Our Democrat bretheren are going to withdraw from Iraq, and from the War on Terror - embolden our enemies again, and demonstrate their belief that the West is a decadent society, lazy, spoiled and unwilling to fight to protect itself.

We should not be surprised. This has been the same head in the sand mentality since 1979.

22 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:40:59am

Willing, Breathless CONCUBINES OF SATAN

23 Mezzetino  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:41:16am

Wow, what a bunch of nutburgers. Pity we gotta share the country with these creeps. :-(

24 Jack Reacher  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:41:19am

They remind me of William F. Buckley's remark that finding a moral equivalence between the U.S. and the Soviet Union was akin to finding it between a man who pushes an old lady in front of a bus, and a man who pushes her out of the path of the oncoming bus. After all, they both go about pushing old ladies around.

25 Right Brain  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:41:40am

Moonbats erupting barely describes it, these people have completely taken leave of their sense.

This is the result of the amoral education filtering down through our colleges and now into high schools. They can no longer distinguish between a despotic madman who feeds political rivals into plastic schredders and thereon into 450 mass graves... and the elected leader of the free world who sought to stop him. Force that was used after repeated votes for it and the United Nations and thereon by an elected Congress.

These people are actually upset that the worse living madman, after Dear Leader of course, is to be hanged.

26 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:41:43am

I hope they come out in force to vote November 8.

27 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:41:45am
wow are bush, cheney, rumsfield and rice next? seems to me the killed about as many innocent iraqis as saddam did, and about as many innocent , trusting troops as civilians we lost on 9/11

Yes, those innocent trusting troops all signed up INvoluntarily to fight the war on terror thinking they were really going to be going to a Sunday School picnic. I don't know why they didn't figure out the truth when they started training on their M-16's. Oh that's right, they are stupid.

Dumb, innocent, stupid trusting troops. Bush tricked them again.

*spit*

28 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:41:48am

But...didn't Saddam make the trains run on time?

29 CowardKerry  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:42:13am

They should not let convicts have computer access in prison. This is proof.

30 Cognito  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:42:58am

It's almost funny, really.

These comments apparently come from people who have never seen real oppression. They don't realize that they're the very first batch of people Saddam would have gassed and tossed into a pit.

31 kathyn  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:43:05am

Saddam...one of Shaitan's own. May they meet in person very soon.

32 shrike  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:43:14am

That bastard has the same ID I have. How anyone can defend Saddam Hussein is beyond me.

33 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:43:32am

I hope the Secret Service is taking notes of the people advocating the execution of the President.

34 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:44:10am

#21 neverquit

I apologize for being so pessimistic, but here is some thoughts I wanted to share here:

Whenever I hear a sentence start out like that, I immediately assume the person doesn't actually mean the first part of the statement.

This is supposed to be helpful somehow? In what way?

35 Roger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:44:13am

If they continue down this path of wanting to murder our elected leaders, there will be civil war. They're going out and enjoying their fantasy movie on the subject already. I think marshal law ought to be declared around any of the participating movie theaters as they are shut down and dismantled. The authorities need to get the point across before it is too late.

36 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:44:28am

We need a Teddy Roosevelt, a Patton... someone with Common Sense and a Mission.

When the violent Sunni's come out in droves, eliminate them then and there.

When MILLIONS of threatening illegal aliens march down Main Street waving RAZA flags, march them to Mexico and the other countries they fled.

37 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:44:49am

This death sentence is basic social hygene, and the far leftists cannot see that.

38 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:45:04am

#33 JammieWearingFool 11/5/2006 08:43AM PST
I hope the Secret Service is taking notes of the people advocating the execution of the President.

I am sure they are.
If they knocked on the door of the 14 year old "my space" Bush killer...

39 anotherindyfilmguy  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:45:40am

Just one more reason to vote on Tuesday...

40 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:47:11am
What a coincidence,convicted and sentenced just before our elections.Do you nincompoop Republicans think we Americans can't see through your bullshit.All you have left that will accept your bullshit stories are the thirty percent base of idiot lemmings.Now I have two question for all you huffpo readers and please answer honestly.Who would you rather have running the show in Iraq,Saddam or George?Who did a better job in running Iraq like the American public would prefer?

By: bushmocker on November 05, 2006 at 07:51am
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41 NoSubmission  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:47:11am

I had a conversation yesterday afternoon with a moonbat who said he was from Austin, TX about 9/11. He was delicately hinting that the towers were rigged with explosives..

Boy, did he ever start that crap with the wrong person. I explained that I watched them fall with my own eyes, not on tv and that I found these conspiracy theories angering and disrespectful of the dead. I said, 'do you really believe that New Yorkers or Americans would actually do that to ourselves?' I caught him off guard. I happen to live in moonbat central so he wasn't expecting any opposition to his nutbag theory.

I asked him if thought a cadre a mossad just tip-toed into the towers of WTC and did this, or a group of invisible illuminati? He had no answer.

42 Cognito  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:48:32am

18 cbinflux,

Not sure what you're so upset about, there... there are several possible reasons, the most obvious being that the police haven't released the names. Another being that a guy and gal were trying to sneak onto the field for an on-field smooch, so to speak. Hardly worth holding them up for public ridicule, if that's the case... But most likely the police just haven't released the names yet.

43 Terp Mole  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:48:50am

Total BDS meltdown over UPenn costume jihad;

Karl
posted 11/05/06 @ 10:43 AM EST
Just wanted to mention one more time:

YOU PEOPLE ARE RIDICULOUS!

To the guy above who gloats over what might have happened if the kid had bumped into the wrong Penn student at the party: if you bumped into me in a Dubya costume, I'd have torn your throat out. And I'd do that to the president himself, given the opportunity. Whereas if a real suicide bomber bumped into you, you'd beg for your life.

One suicide bomber can kill a hundred innocent civilians. Bush has killed hundreds of thousands, WITHOUT THE DECENCY TO KILL HIMSELF DOING IT. While you rich-bitch ditto-head fucktards sit here pounding your keyboards over an undergrad (who has every right to wear an offensive costume on Halloween), YOUR president ruins MY country and is slowly destroying OUR world.

Don't cry over a costume that got under your thin skin and struck your "holier-than-thou" nerve. Grow a pair of balls and chase that MURDERER Bush and his cronies out of office.

This country's going down, and it's your fault.

Doesn't the Daily Penn have a duty to report Karl's ISP address to US Secret Service?

44 neverquit  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:48:51am
#34 - This is supposed to be helpful somehow? In what way?

Where did I say I was trying to be helpful?

45 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:49:10am

I would call them assholes but, that would insult the anuses of the world.

46 Roger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:49:46am

#36 cbinflux, yep and invite many more good Mexican and other families who would love to come to America the legal and respectful way! Invite the ones who get what the founding fathers were all about.

47 uncle_monkey  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:49:55am

Two words:
Speaker Pelosi.

fetal position behind sofa.

48 jodiegirl73  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:50:13am

Unfortunately, the comments on the BBC Have Your Say forum for this topic are pretty much the same. I wonder where these people find their 'facts' to generate these mindblowing scenarios that Saddam is an okay guy, Bush and Blair should be on trial, that the US controlled the trial (ie stood over the Iraqis and told them what to do because they are...ahem...incompetent), and in general that Big Bad Bush is to blame - for everything wrong in the world mind you.

If you can handle the vitiolic slander going on at BBC, I'd advise you to check it out. What makes me laff though is that when the shit hits the fan over in the UK and EU, they'll be screaming for you Yanks to save their arses. Guaranteed.

49 Muadib  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:50:54am

These "progressive" folks from the left would happily kill their opposition if they could. Just like Saddam, Hitler, Stalin, etc...

50 kathyn  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:51:00am

The democrats like to equate everything to moral equivalence. Well, I can do it too.

Democrat moonbats = islamist radicals. Each group is all about seething and whining.

51 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:51:37am

We should be ashamed -- especially if we lose this election to moonbats and leeches (Dead or Alive)
Why do so few people vote in the U.S.?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Compare U.S. voting with foreign voting and it's not a pretty sight. Americans are less apt to vote than are people in other old democracies, in new ones, in dangerous places, dirt poor ones, freezing cold ones, stinking hot ones and highly dysfunctional ones.

Even that theocratic "axis of evil," Iran, has bragging rights over the United States in this regard. So does chaotic Iraq, where an estimated 70 percent of voters cast ballots in December parliamentary elections.

52 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:51:40am

#42 Cognito

Not sure what you're so upset about, there.

You never are. You seem to have a myriad of comprehension problems.

53 Right_Writer  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:51:59am

Evil SOBs. *spit*

54 FLLaw33870  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:52:09am

I too wonder what planet those people come from. It is more than just the warped education they must have had for it seems like they have no common sense.

I wonder that about many of the poster at DailyKos as well.

Early today I followed a news article from Google News to workers.org which is a far left socialist website. I read some of the editorials there and talk about the lunatic left. Everything from Bush is worse than the tyrant Hussein to our unfair elections that deny illegal aliens to vote in our elections.

Pretty pathetic stuff and yet scary that these political sick people are from the same country I am.

55 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:52:21am

Found these this morning in my old "quotes" and posted them on the dead thread but they belong here:


Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.
~ George Washington


How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!
~ Samuel Adams

If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.
~ Samuel Adams

A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.
~ Samuel Adams

56 beaner  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:52:26am

These people obviously are suffering from a disease that has destroyed the part of their brain normally used for rational thought. Perhaps they were bitten by a moonbat and got rabies.

57 6patrick6  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:52:34am

So, Huffies, let me see if I can decipher your childish scrawl on my screen...

You think a man who has gassed his own people, enslaved thousands of others, pillaged a neighboring country (Kuwait) for no reason, enagaged in REAL rape, torture, and wholesale slaughter, and engaged his other neighbor (Iran) in a ten-year mass slaughter on both sides...oh, and a dictator in the mold of Adolph Hitler, is a better mand than...

Our own President, who has tirelessly been at the forefront against the Islamist tyranny that Saddam and others like him have wrought unto the West, a President who, like all men, is imperfect, but nowhere remotely like the scumbags you and your ilk hold in such esteem (Saddam, Ho Chi Mihn, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler) and the weak leaders our own nation had had to endure, yet held up as pantheons of perfection (Clinton, Carter)?

My advice to you Huffies out there is to simply take your ideas and your families and move to those garden spots you idealize, such as:

Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Malaysia, Burma, Vanuatu, Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Zimbabwe, Congo, Chad, Algeria, Ivory Coast, Vietnam, China, any of the 'Stans...need I go on?

Enjoy your new life as a true Dhimmi (or just a target in the non-Muslim states listed!)

58 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:52:40am

#44 neverquit

You are doing your nic an injustice.

59 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:52:46am

#46 Roger that!

60 niallster  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:52:53am

Amongst his many atrocities Saddam had a mini prison especially built with mini torture weapons specifically to detained and torture to death the children of his opponents.

What sort of depraved mind could even think of such a thing I shudder to think.

And the left says Bush is worse?

Leftism really is a mental disorder.

61 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:53:28am

#3 mama winger

This stuff is straight from the mouths of hell.

It is unfashionable--even among large segments of the conservative movement--to talk in such terms. However I think we have cut the Left FAR too much slack over the past half-century.

There was a time when a naive Marxist could be excused due to ignorance of the true nature of atheistic communism. However that nature was amply displayed during the horrors unleashed by Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and their close ideological socialist cousin, Hitler.

Leftists have set out to undermine man's relationship with God, a relationship which is amply acknowledged in the founding principles of the United States of America. Leftists are in the purest sense of the term anti-American. They are anti-Western, and they are frankly suicidal at heart.

It is time for all good people to stand up against both twisted parodies of religion (Islamism) and the far worse satanic evil represented by the global Left.

62 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:53:53am

#18 cbinflux

They had Arabic names according to a link in an earlier thread.

63 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:53:54am

#21 neverquit

Are you smoking some tainted shit?

ALL YOUR BONG ARE BELONG TO ME!
~ The Ganjahaddeen

What kind of post is that? YOu better change your nic. Seems like you've quit.

64 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:54:47am

#18 cbinflux

I think it was maybe JWF or CTP on one of the other threads that had a link identifying the two as from "Middle Eastern descent". Not sure if names were released yet tho.

65 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:55:13am

I honestly cant say Im shocked.

66 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:55:18am

#60 niallster

I so didn't need to read that.

67 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:55:36am

#50 kathyn

Democrat moonbats = islamist radicals. Each group is all about seething and whining.

Don't forget the domination!

68 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:55:54am

Power shortage leaves Europe in the dark
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
/Something else?!

69 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:56:05am

For those who are pessimistic about the elections, consider the following:

Many of the national polls show the gap closing between GOP and Democrat in the generic polls. Many of the state races show a tightening as well. People are getting focused on the elections.

But in the end, the races will be decided by 435 separate elections in the House and the 33 races in the Senate. Of those, only a handful are competitive races that could flip.

Turnout is the key for both GOP and Democrats.

If the GOP can muster the turnout in the key races, they will not only maintain their majority in the House and/or Senate, but will do something that few political parties have done - maintain their advantages in the midterm elections in the 2d term of a sitting President.

This isn't so much a referendum on Iraq, for if it were, Joe Lieberman would be down by 25-30 instead of up 17 against Lamont the anti-war/anti-Bush candidate. That's in blue state CT.

Other races are finding similar dynamics. It's the candidates themselves that are determining the outcomes. The Bush/Iraq factor may play a role in some of the tighter races, but the election is not a referrendum on either despite Democrats and the media trying to make it one.

And if the media and Democrats want to make it a referrendum, and they fail to take control of Congress, will they then admit that Bush has the mandate to govern? I doubt that as they're always going to shift the goalposts to deny the GOP political victories.

70 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:56:09am

#61 Pro-Bush Canuck

I agree. Clear thinking you have.

71 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:56:36am

#60 niallster

Leftism really is a mental disorder.

I'd go a step further: it is a disorder of the soul. Leftists and atheists can appear to be eminently rational, however they are spiritually insane.

72 shimra  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:56:51am

What fools. Send them all to Cuba.

73 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:57:12am

Saddam is going to be hung,,
and the sentence of death right here before the Nov.7 elections..

Karl Rove, you are Evil..


/genius

74 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:58:04am

lawhawk,

Go to RCP and check the Mason-Dixon numbers.

Even Chafee is leading now.

75 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:58:05am

#64 mama winger

Wasn't me... ;)

76 NoSubmission  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:58:14am

#16 BabbaZee

Gramscian WHORE pamphlet takers.
The banality of evil.



ROTLFLMAO!

77 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:58:49am

65elric66

Snap out of it, Man! You've been conditioned, desensitized.

78 Bill Amos  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:59:10am

I was wondering where all the ex Saddam government officials fled to. They went to Kos's Basement apartment !

79 Dan Patterson  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:59:13am

#57 6patrick6

Well said.

The opposition party has many memebers who are lost to insanity. Logic and reason have no place in their realm, so we should leave them to their babblings and continue to oppose their politics with fervor.

Dan Patterson
Arrogant Infidel

80 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:59:21am

mama winger,

On today's first thread I linked two stories on that. One just called them CMU students, the other ID'd them as Middle Eastern.

81 6patrick6  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:59:28am

The Huffies and the Kos whackos need desperately to be put back on their Ritalin, Lithium, Prozac, whatever combination of mind-numbing pharmaceuticals they can get their hands on.

Maybe they are the arguement for eugenics...

82 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:59:46am

#75 CTP

No? (if I were you, I would take credit anyway while no one's looking)

:)

83 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:59:54am

Anyone just see Don King on MSNBC?

He was on with that hoarse sounding blonde (rita ?) and I was stunned.

The guy has been stumping for Steele in MD, but then went on to say how he "loves George Walker Bush" and how important it is that we win the war in Iraq.

I had no idea that the guy was pro war.

84 rickl  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:00:17am

Those commenters must have rabies.

85 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:00:38am

Too late CTP

The real culprit linker just showed up.

86 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:00:40am

#82 mama

See #80. Too late!

87 kathyn  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:01:05am

#67 christheprofessor...right you are. I am sure we could find many parallels. It pains this former democrat to see how far astray my old party has gone. Sigh.

88 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:01:17am

#61 Pro-Bush Canuck

There is a language of deception that we have all learned to speak over the past 130 years or so that is rooted fundamentally in Marxist, Freudian and Darwinian terminologies and definitions of reality. Others contributed of course but these are the three main "frogs" issuing forth out of the mouth that they all built upon.

let those with ears hear it.

Terms and definitions have been replaced. Gramsci codified and streamlined the deal.

I vowed to divest myself of that language of deception as soon as I recognized it.

I see more and more people doing the same, HUZZAH to you and Mama Winger and to the thousands of others who are waking up to their own brainwashing and taking control of the word life.

I do not accept their definitions or their terms, and I refuse to speak or think in them ever again.

I am telling you the truth.
WORDS MAKE WORLDS!
The terms and definitions you use to think and to speak MATTER and the enemy knows it well and has captured it.
Thus the idiotification of Western civiliation and the inability to think.

VIVA LA ANTI-GRAMSCIAN REVOLUCION!

89 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:01:33am

Geez, there are 22 pages of insane comments over there.

Complete meltdown.

90 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:02:46am

#76 NoSubmission
;~P

91 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:03:05am

#70 mama winger

I have found that when one allows their ego to recede at times, when one practices contemplation of God and makes a habit of allowing oneself to be drawn near to Him, then one's thinking tends to straighten out quite quickly.

It is not something I can do all the time. I am no saint! However in recent years I have made steady progress toward deepening my relationship with God (in my case I know Him through Jesus Christ). The deeper that relationship grows the closer I become with friends and family, but also the more pathetic and "flat" the lives of leftist/atheists appear to me. They are missing out on so much!

92 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:03:23am
The forces of tyranny and evil are being defeated in Iraq. God is not on Bush's side.
Draft dodging druggie idiot evil serial murdering child molesters who lie about their faith don't get God's protection.

PEACE.

By: 1man1voice1vote on November 05, 2006 at 11:49am
Flag: [abusive]

93 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:04:26am

#87 kathyn

Understandable. Well, I hope there are some rational ones left in the party that can reclaim it. We really do need a two-party system, but not when one is virulently anti-American...

94 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:04:29am

DFW area lizards -- Mary Mapes is being interviewed on McCuistion on KERA now.

95 Roger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:04:30am

#83 karmic_inquisitor, yep that sounds like Don King! He gets it.

96 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:04:38am

I'm off to brunch. Ya'll have a fine day, now, ya' hear!

97 zuckerlilly  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:04:46am

51 cbinflux

Why do so few people vote in the U.S.?

Switzerland

98 jcm  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:04:53am

Can we question their patriotism now?

99 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:05:16am

#42 cognito re: incognito fence jumpers.

Good morning!
Perhaps I should have emphasized that I'm ~ railing against what I see as trend. On anything of a sensitive nature or Security Issue the delay seems to be much longer these days. Then it comes in dribs and drabs.

In specific, I'm glad that we are watching stadiums, etc. more closely, and if it's a midnite thrill nookie run -- we don't need to know the story at all (and giveaway security).

100 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:06:32am
The verdict came two days before midterm elections in the United States widely seen as a referendum on the Bush administration's policy in Iraq. U.S. and Iraqi officials have denied the timing was deliberate.

Karl Rove would never have a man sentenced to death to win an election...

101 Cognito  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:06:37am
#52 mama winger 11/5/2006 08:51AM PST

You never are. You seem to have a myriad of comprehension problems.


Mama winger, I realize now that I'm just a punching bag for you, regardless of what I say, or what I'm talking about.

That's fine -- I can't say I understand it, but I don't really care that much.

102 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:07:04am

Updated Heinz Field story

By DAN NEPHIN, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago

PITTSBURGH - Two college students were charged with criminal trespass and criminal conspiracy after police said they tried to break into Heinz Field early Sunday, hours before the
Pittsburgh Steelers were to play the
Denver Broncos.

Paul Sudeep and Anand Durvasula both Carnegie Mellon University students, attempted to climb the fence around the stadium at about 2 a.m. and were caught by surveillance cameras, Police Chief Nate Harper said.

The men cooperated after being apprehended, telling police they had tickets to the game Sunday afternoon and "decided to check things out so they knew where to go," Harper said.

Police found a video camera and tripod in the Lexus sport utility vehicle they were driving. Harper said Sudeep, a 21-year-old film student, was planning to film the final part of a music video featuring the 20-year-old Durvasula at Heinz Field.

"We don't know exactly what their intentions were," Harper said. He added that if the men were trying to locate their seats, "they really could have gone online ... versus coming over and trying to make entry into the stadium."

The pair opened an exterior door at one of the stadium gates, but did not go inside, Harper said. They then continued walking around the stadium, carrying a folding chair. They returned to the gate and Durvasula stepped on the chair and began climbing the fence when stadium security and police arrived, Harper said.

The Joint Terrorism Task Force — made up of the
FBI, city and Allegheny County police, and the county sheriff's office — conducted a sweep of the stadium with bomb-detecting dogs and found no explosives, Harper said.

The men were being questioned by the terrorism task force, and Harper said the investigation was continuing. Police have added security to make sure the stadium is safe for the 4:15 p.m. game.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league was notified about the incident.

"From all we're being told, it's nothing to be concerned about," Aiello said.

Harper said investigators were taking the matter seriously. It was the second security issue involving NFL stadiums in recent weeks.

Last month, a 21-year-old grocery store clerk was accused of posting a message on the Internet saying that radioactive "dirty bombs" would be detonated at seven football stadiums. Jake J. Brahm, of Wauwatosa, Wis., admitted posting the same threat about 40 times on various Web sites, authorities said.

103 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:07:05am

Those kooky kidz should stop Huffin' paint.

A more perfect example of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" I haven't seen since, well, since we thought Castro was gonna croak.

104 rorschach  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:07:24am

My question is...how many of these jerks are red-blooded Americans, and how many are budding jihadis.

It bears repeating. The constitution is NOT a suicide pact.

105 6patrick6  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:08:16am

OT (sorta) --- I was turning the channels and came across Meet the (De)Press(ed), and they were in full rant, as Senator Schumer (Dhimmicrat - NY) was announcing to the world that the Dhimmicrats would gain 50 seats and take control of both houses. I could only endure seven seconds of that bullshiite before continuing in my channel-surfing quest.

It's going to be sooo wonderful watching the talking heads meltdown as they do their "anal"ysis Tuesday night, and the Dhimmis go into full-apeshit mode Wednesday morning as they realize they LOST 30 seats in a mid-term election!

Think positive, Lizardoids!

If people in the US would only realize that there are people around the world that chance death if they risk voting, and travel on foot for miles! The KOS kreeps and the Huffies have no clue!

106 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:08:27am

#91 Pro-Bush Canuck

I think you and I are alike, in that I need quiet time to get my heart and head squared up.I find if I don't set aside specific time to read Scripture or other spiritual books, and if I don't make a conscious effort to set aside time for prayer, I get off track way too easily.

For me it takes discipline, which I have to admit is not my strong suit. But oh so worth it.

I wonder what would happen in this election of all people of faith would dedicate 10 minutes to praying specifically for God's hand in this election? Just ten minutes.

107 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:08:52am

My advice to these idiots -- go head on and get it over with then...

/if not today, then Wednesday morning...

108 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:09:15am

All of the idiot wind issuing forth cannot blow away the truth.

Remember.

109 Cognito  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:09:27am

99 cbinflux,

I agree wholeheartedly. It was unclear from that first post what it was that raised your ire.

But I agree: If it's a real threat, give us the info. If it's not a real threat, don't bother.

110 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:09:31am

#83 karmic_inquisitor

Don King stumped for Bush during the elections. He was very very vocal after 9/11.

111 kathyn  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:10:00am

#88 BabbaZee

I am telling you the truth.
WORDS MAKE WORLDS!
The terms and definitions you use to think and to speak MATTER and the enemy knows it well and has captured it.
Thus the idiotification of Western civiliation and the inability to think

.

Your use of WORDS is magnificent!

112 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:10:24am

83 karmic_inquisitor,

I've seen don king on foxnews a lot of times. he is very much a W fan. He usually wears red, white, and blue and has W buttons on his shirt.

113 TMF  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:10:56am

They are a pack of fucking children. Nobodies who have not effected ANYTHING in our body politic.

The one "triumph" (Lament) will soon be shot down by the PRO WAR torpedo Lieberman, sinking to the bottom of the sea, and rotting in a giant pile of wasted millions that could have been used "feeding the children" heh

If the Dems pick up seats in either house, it will NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THESE FOOLS

The vast, vast majority of people support the war effort and want us to win.

If this wasnt true, then Lieberman would not be crushing Lamont and his KOStard brigades of mental defectives, stoners, high school losers, and sociopaths.

Further, most indications are that if the GOP does lose seats in the Senate, it will only be 3 or 4 at the most. HOw does that translate to a blue, anti-war "tidal wave"?

Answer- it doesnt, unless your an idiot.

Lastly, all indicators are that the GOP will lose 15-20 seats. Historically, no landslide. Most of the seats are being lost to voter discontent over SPECIFIC scandals (Weldon, Greenleaf, Ney, Foley, et al) and NOT discontent over the war.

F'ing fantasy based community. Go roll a 20 sided die, KOSfucks, b/c you live in an alternative universe, EVEN IF YOU "WIN"

114 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:11:07am

OT -

I have a lot of Halloween candy left over. Does Banana Laffy-Taffy count as a serving of fruit?

115 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:11:17am

#108 Wisenheimer

AHAHAHaaa we have the theme song for the thread

IDIOT WIND!

116 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:12:01am

#111 kathyn
[humbled]
Thanks

117 EnochCain  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:12:07am

#57

My ex girlfriend actually lived in Vanuatu for a while. lol

118 6patrick6  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:12:57am

#108 wisenheimer --- All the Kos Kretins have to say about that is that the CW equipment and tech was provided by the eeevil US of A, which it most certainly was NOT. The chemical warfare tech and equipment was sold to them by three nations: the USSR, Germany, and Fwance.

119 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:14:01am

#101 Cognito

hat's fine -- I can't say I understand it, but I don't really care that much.

It has to do with the fact that you discussed me and put several of my fellow posters down, on a dead thread, after I had said goodnight for the evening. You even said you didn't like to talk about other people when they were not there to defend themselves, but that did not stop you from proceeding to do just that.

I don't trust you.

120 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:14:14am

#115 BabbaZee

Had to get a Dylan reference in this morning!

121 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:15:22am

#120 Wisenheimer
LOL, Excellent work!

122 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:15:28am

Thanks mama winger, CTP and Jammie

So... the wires have seemingly taken out info (sanitized) the story since it came out. I've noticed that lately as well...

And I've never been a conspiracy believer. BUt the MSM does have an agenda/template

123 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:16:44am

#118 6patrick6

From what I've read, the chemicals supplied were for "agricultural purposes".

*wink wink, nudge nudge*

124 BingoBunny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:17:14am

I watched some moron Democrat.. answer who will the next president be?.. by saying after Bush and Cheney are impeached.. who is next in line for president and smiling.. They dream a good revolt.. but when they wake up next tuesday they will still just be revolting people.

125 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:18:40am

Mapes interview:

"as it turned out, the bloggers were all absolutely wrong"

"the blogger attack... focused on the physicality of the documents instead of the content"

She claims that she looked at many other NG docs from that time and that they have the same typefaces and formatting as the disputed memo.

She still believes that the memo is not a forgery.

Incredible!

126 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:18:57am

#124 BingoBunny

They dream a good revolt.. but when they wake up next tuesday they will still just be revolting people.


Heh. If that wasn't quite so long, I'd nominate it for a rotating title...

127 kathyn  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:19:07am

#106 mama winger. I also try to read my scriptures each morning and then have a good conversation with the Lord. It really does clear the cobwebs and puts a better perspective on the events of the day.
We don't have to look "through a glass darkly".

128 easy  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:19:25am

Think the LLL must have a bile generating section in their brain. When confronted by facts or truth it kicks in and the bile spews forth.

129 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:19:31am

#88 BabbaZee

When one lives in the Truth and the Word one can have fun with the atheists.

The atheist believes he inhabits the highest perch at the top of the mountain. Below him he surveys the ignorant and the superstitious with their silly religious myts.

However the atheist in reality sits on a dung hill down in the valley. We look down upon him and pray for him.

One of these dung-kings engaged me in debate recently. He was of a scientific bent so I asked him what he thought of the fact that the universe we inhabit appears to have been exquisitely tuned for the sole purpose of producing life, and that all of history seems to be leading to the formation of consciousness. His response: "this is explained by the multiverse. All possible permustions of verses exist, and we just happen to be in the one that has these particular laws of nature." My response: "Perhaps. But then it is also true that in such an infinity of verses where all possible states are necessarily represented, there would perforce evolve at least one universe which had at its core a Supreme Being which would be indistinguahable from God. There would likewise be at least one where atheists are sent to something indistinguishable from Hell."

He turned white as a ghost.

Now, this does not represent my beliefs. However it does show how easily atheist "logic" (logical positivism and its derivatives) can be turned against itself. The Truth is simple, pure and holy. Only an "educated" modern can fail to see that.

130 Cognito  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:20:30am

119 mama winger,

All right, I'll bite: What are you talking about? I've never discussed you anywhere, with anyone, so if you don't mind, please quote. Otherwise back off, please.

Thanks.

131 metaphysician  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:22:09am

Is it really the illegals, per se, who are behind La Raza? I always got the impression it was native-born middle class hispanics ( and white liberals of same origin ) who provided the manpower to La Raza, like with all the other liberal organizations. . .

132 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:24:13am

Intelligent (adj.): 1. Possessing a high or satisfactory understanding or mental capacity.
Life (n.): 1. The quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body.


There is definitely no intelligent life over at Huffington Post!

133 neverquit  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:25:24am

#63 - We'll see won't we?

134 The Other Les  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:25:41am

You can always count on a tyrant-hugger to hate those who practice tyrannicide.

135 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:26:05am

#130 Cognito

I have it saved, and I will send it to you as I see your nic is blue. No need to drag the thread down.

136 jcm  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:26:25am

#43 Terp Mole 11/5/2006 08:48AM PST

Total BDS meltdown over UPenn costume jihad;

Karl
posted 11/05/06 @ 10:43 AM EST
Just wanted to mention one more time:
YOU PEOPLE ARE RIDICULOUS!

To the guy above who gloats over what might have happened if the kid had bumped into the wrong Penn student at the party: if you bumped into me in a Dubya costume, I'd have torn your throat out. And I'd do that to the president himself, given the opportunity. Whereas if a real suicide bomber bumped into you, you'd beg for your life.

Whereas if a real suicide bomber bumped into you, you'd beg for your life.

If I saw anyone dressed like that they would be looking down the barrel of my Sig .40. They would have only the option of dropping the trigger or getting a round to head. With a "button" you've got to switch the lights off completely. The dead-man switch scenario is total F'd up, you can only hope to buy time to get as many folks away as you can.

In this day and age I don't know if it's a costume or a real bomber. That little bit of doubt would give them a chance, but only if they did exactly as I said, until the PD arrives to straighten things out.

At a costume party I'd have a little more patients but only if the subject was cooperative.

I look at it this way, what better place for a real suicide bomber to blend in and be unnoticed until they had the opportunity to inflect maximum casualties than at a holloween costume party?

You'd have a fraction of a second to decide if the guy with the bomb is a for real suicide bomber or a world class idiot. If you decide he is an idiot and don't drop the hammer, 50 or so people including you die. If he is an idiot and you drop him, you've got a jury to explain your actions too.

137 neverquit  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:26:52am

#58 - you're in denial.

138 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:27:01am

#129 Pro-Bush Canuck

Intellectual idolaters.

Yes. we are SOOOooo smart. Just like these guys:

"Jesus, if a woman marries a man, and then he dies, and then she marries his brother, and then he dies, and then 7 other men come, and she married them, blablablalblablalbla
we're so smart, we'll trip you up,
who is she with in heaven?"

" [SIGH] Oy vey. You are torah scholars and you don't know the ways of heaven or of the Father? Why do I even speak to you people?"

139 killgore trout  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:27:01am

#129 Pro-Bush Canuck .

However the atheist in reality sits on a dung hill down in the valley. We look down upon him and pray for him.


I don't mind being put in the valley or being prayed for but get me off the dunghill. It stinks.
/athiest

140 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:28:14am

#137 neverquit 11/5/2006 09:26AM PST
#58 - you're in denial.

and you're in a fetal position.

FEAR NO MAN

COUNTENANCE NO EVIl

NEVER

ABANDON

HOPE

141 Cognito  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:29:05am

135 mama winger,

All right. But I've got to tell you it seems a bit unsportsmanlike, to toss an accusation, then when I ask for proof, to say, "Oh, let's not drag the thread down."

142 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:29:18am

#139 killgore trout
is that really you ?
why is the capatilization gone out of your nic.

143 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:30:00am

mama winger

post the link if you have it I want to see it.

144 neverquit  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:30:36am

Who says I've abandoned hope? Or quit?

My only point is that this is going to get worse before it get's settled, and the Democrats will shit the bed when they assume power.

So, Repubs lose a few elections? It's not the end of the world, yet...

145 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:30:41am

#141 Cognito

With all due respect, I like Mama Winger's approach. You guys can discuss it in private. If you feel vindicated, then you can say so on the thread, if it makes you feel better...

146 anotherindyfilmguy  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:31:23am

That jerk with the dirty bomb hoax probably gave the other side ideas and these morons were scouting out the security...

147 Ben B  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:31:34am

Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

148 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:31:35am

#129 Pro-Bush Canuck

I used to subscribe to a magazine called Skeptical Inquirer, which was a publication of the Committee for Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP). They regularly ridiculed religious faith, but I tolerated that for the other articles on psychics, UFOs and such. One issue carried an interview with Paul Kurtz, well-known atheist and chairman of CSICOP. He said the only hope for survival of mankind on Earth was one-world government.

Proof of two things:

Even atheists have faith.

Profoundly intelligent people can believe profoundly unintelligent things.

149 killgore trout  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:32:10am

#142 BabbaZee
I'm posting from an internet cafe in Londonistan, that could have something to do with it.

150 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:32:37am

If you want to know the Pure Truth about theism vs atheism, you have to watch last week's episode of South Park. The scene where Richard Dawkins is plooking Mr. Garrison (no, I'm not kidding) is one of those "I can't believe they did that" SP moments.

151 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:32:37am

igiveup,

Why not check today's poll numbers before waving the white flag?

You nic doesn't jibe with your losing mentality.

152 JnT  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:33:06am

OT - From todays Las Vegas Review Journal:

WHEN GEN. WESLEY CLARK APPEARED IN LAS VEGAS AT A BACKYARD POLITICAL RALLY FOR DEMOCRATS MONDAY, he probably should have given Reid some advice about avoiding land mines. Before the rah-rah speeches had begun, Reid wandered through the yard, shaking hands and chatting with supporters. The Senate minority leader didn't see the pile of dog doo in his path until it was too late. Squish.


Karma

153 windybon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:33:22am

#83karmic_inquisitor -

Don King is extremely pro-American. He is a periodic guest on Cavuto and O'Reilly and always comes carrying and waving American Flags.

154 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:34:24am

#144 neverquit
Go look at your own post again in BOLD

If defeat was not what you were telegraphing,
what was that all about?

They all said the same shit in 2004.

Hello, President BUSH.

RELAX

and do not contribute to people NOT voting because they think they are beaten before they go

155 flagpony  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:34:28am

I got into a war of words today with some moonbats at a starbucks here in the san fran bay area...and the sad thing is, its the majority out here. I had one guy, a vietnam vet wheel over and chime in on my side. otherwise it was me vs 10+people trying to shout me down.

156 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:35:02am

#149 killgore trout
HEY Cherrio!

157 Kerfuffle  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:35:15am

Wow. The left really does hate our president and our country as badly as the terrorists. I guess I didn't want to believe that American kids could hate their own country so badly, but it seems I need to face facts.

Don't give up. Lets turn out for our future on Tuesday in force and send these punks crying to their mothers' basements.

/off to clean my guns and watch football
God bless America

158 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:35:17am

#74 jammie wearing fool:

I'm not as keen on the polling as others because the modeling and statistical massaging that goes into the polls has proven itself to be suspect time and time again. I think the trend is that the GOP has closed the gap.

AJ Strata has offered up a +5 on every poll to balance out the Dem bias introduced by the polltakers. Pollsters play games, with everything from how questions are posed to who they're contacting and how.

The only poll that counts is the one on Tuesday. Vote so that you let the world know how you want things to go for the next two years.

And for the leftists who will invariably complain that the actual results of the election differ from the polls - know this. Exit polls are meaningless statistics and are a sample taken from a much larger pool of people. It's self selecting and all this affects the outcomes. So, when the actual results differ from the predictions don't go blaming Diebold (or the BushitleralliburtoneoconcheneyRove Co. Conspiracy). You have only yourselves to blame for the hubris of believing your own hype. The pollsters would like you to believe differently about the results, but it is as much an artform as a science.

159 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:36:24am

#155 flagpony

I had one guy, a vietnam vet wheel over and chime in on my side. otherwise it was me vs 10+people trying to shout me down.

Ah, there's that respect for diverse opinions leftards are known for...

160 yah  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:36:48am

Just reading some of the screen names of the lefty bloggers will tell you a lot about them.

psyco names - BushCoSatanIncarnate, FUBush

161 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:37:27am

Personally I think it takes way more" faith" to believe tht all of this issued forth from nothing than it does to be certain that it issued forth out of the ONE TRUE GOD.

DNA is a code. Ask any geneticist what it most resembles. Computer code, written in LANGUAGE, they will tell you.

OK. WHO WROTE THE CODE?

...takes a sht load of "faith" IMO to ignore that question.

162 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:37:30am
163 lowandslow  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:38:28am
#155 flagpony
I got into a war of words today with some moonbats at a starbucks here in the san fran bay area...and the sad thing is, its the majority out here. I had one guy, a vietnam vet wheel over and chime in on my side. otherwise it was me vs 10+people trying to shout me down.

How does something like that start?

164 killgore trout  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:38:35am

#156 BabbaZee
Right-o, ol' chap. well I must pop into into curry shop, my takeaway vindaloo is ready by now.
Y'all keep a stiff upper lip.

165 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:38:55am

Ta Ta Kilgore!

166 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:39:17am

lawhawk,

#74 jammie wearing fool:

I'm not as keen on the polling as others because the modeling and statistical massaging that goes into the polls has proven itself to be suspect time and time again. I think the trend is that the GOP has closed the gap.

I agree the polls should be viewed suspiciously, but most are closing toward the GOP as of today, leading me to believe the wildly optimistic Democrat prediction are hot air.

Don't worry, I'll be voting Tuesday.

My congressman is safe out here in Morris Co., and I'll hold my nose and vote for Kean.

167 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:39:23am
168 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:40:09am

It sure does pay to have faith.

I just got a call from the National Guard Family Support. At 2 pm Central they are going to post the Flight Manifests.

I am shaking so hard I think I'm going to wet my pants. Somebody pour me somethin'.

169 Bard  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:41:05am

Oh, hell. I was really hoping you were cherry-picking here, but there was only one rational commenter I spotted before I closed the window in disgust, and they skipped the celebrations and went straight to "can we go after al-Sadr now?" Even the sane Democrats can't bring themselves to celebrate anything Bush supports.

170 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:41:59am

OK, well it's almost gametime, so time for a pregame snack.

Go NYG.

See you folks later.

171 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:42:02am

Polls are a tool of Stan

172 J.D.  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:42:32am

Were they thinking he would get off?

173 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:42:43am

#168 mama winger

Here, have a glass of wine. (raises glass, clink) To the great news!

174 realwest  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:43:01am

Haven't read the thread, but let's face it boys and girls, moonbats have NEVER been known for their intelligence!

175 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:43:18am

#167 BabbaZee

From that link:

More importantly, there is empirical proof that al-Qaeda possesses nukes. In 2000, British agents posed as recruits from a London mosque to infiltrate al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. In Herat, they saw nuclear weapons being manufactured.

Does anyone have any other references to this alleged incident?

176 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:44:22am

I have to go lay down. bbl

177 ProUSA  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:44:30am

Kids these days. They are just like I was at that age -- if you take away their: hatred, conspiracy theories, mindless partisan propaganda, lies, socialist mindset, hatred of jews, emotional instability, irrational behavior, and ignorance.

178 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:44:38am

#168 mama winger

L'CHAIM!

179 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:45:12am

#146 another

What pisses me off about the loser posting BS from his Mom's PC is that it takes folks eyes off of the real danger. Authorities are still looking for a fellow who came in from Mexico with dirty bombs as his mission.

180 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:45:26am

#175 religion of bacon
I don't know. But I'll do some searching.

181 mad_scientist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:47:57am

It is truely a sad world when people can look at GW, who has his faults, and say he is just as evil than a man that raped, pillaged, and murdered his countrymen and women under tyrannical rule, for the better part of two decades.

Before I used to just joke about Bush Derangement Syndrome being a mental illness, but now I am not so sure...

182 lowandslow  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:49:17am

Great piece by Mohammed Fadhil from Iraq the Model on Pajamas Media about the verdict.

183 squeegy  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:52:17am

Disturbing to see their deranged viewpoint.

184 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:52:30am
185 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:54:52am

#175 religion of bacon

Seems to be that Paul Williams is the only source for that line.

This articles repeats the claim with no definitive attribtions beyond Paul Williams

Same thing here

Same here

Same everywhere I could find it referenced

186 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:55:48am

TFK

THEY ARE VERY WORRIED IF THEY GO TO THAT MUCH TROUBLE TO PUT TOGETHER AN HOUR LONG LIE

Once again you are correct sir.

187 leftout  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:57:26am

The moral turpitude, the cancer of the conscience and soul, that infects the left can not be met with logic, heart, or rational argument. Unfortunately (I do not say this flippantly) there comes a time when evil rises to such a level that only armed conflict and complete subjugation of evil can return civilization to relative peace and security.
We may be at such a crossroad again.

Those who can not see the distinction between America and the West and a ruthless dictator like Saddam do not deserve the freedoms they abuse. The American Civil War was horrible but in its wake came freedom for African-Americans and a united America free from the idea of disunion.

188 J.D.  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:58:40am

Update at Steyn...
SADDAM TO SWING
LOL!

189 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:00:28am

Those tolerant, reasonable folks on the other side...
Sitcoms (NoW):

In October, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, in Pittsburgh to campaign for U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum, antagonized anti-Santorum demonstrators by blowing them a kiss, and in the ensuing chaos, Bush was forced to take refuge in a train station supply closet.
And Kansas state Rep. Vaughn Flora was charged with a misdemeanor after an October political event when he allegedly roughed up an anti-abortion protester dressed as a cockroach.
190 BarCodeKing  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:02:45am

The moonbats bark, but the caravan moves on.

191 WrathofG-d  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:03:37am

Babbazee:

are you trying to convince atheists of G-d?

oy. what a waste of time.

to steal a line from Matrix (adlib): you might not belive in what I belive...but my beliefs are so strong that they do not require you to.

They wish to believe that there no G-d? FINE. G-d will be more than happy to work that out with them.

192 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:05:51am

#187 leftout

"The moral turpitude, the cancer of the conscience and soul, that infects the left can not be met with logic, heart, or rational argument. Unfortunately (I do not say this flippantly) there comes a time when evil rises to such a level that only armed conflict and complete subjugation of evil can return civilization to relative peace and security.
We may be at such a crossroad again."

I agree 100%. When the time comes, we must choose our actions with the utmost concern for actual culpability. I am convinced that the Julius Streicher precedent is the best guide and the one that will yield the greatest tactical and strategic leverage.

193 tradewind  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:05:55am

Is it too late to get an ad together using these?
/only half sarc/

194 paint-right  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:05:56am

#161 babbazee

Amen and amen

195 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:06:35am

Struck a nerve

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - The Democratic gubernatorial candidate faced a potential setback for a second day Friday, denying a newspaper report that said he called a male reporter "a Republican whore."

Hatch at first denied using the word. In a debate Friday night, he said he might have used that language but didn't believe that he did.

Forum Communications Co., which owns several Minnesota newspapers, reported that Hatch lashed out at a reporter questioning him Thursday about a gaffe by his running mate, Judi Dutcher.

Dutcher had earlier gotten stumped by a question about the ethanol fuel blend E-85; Minnesota is a major ethanol producer.

The newspaper chain said Thursday that reporter Scott Wente asked Hatch via telephone about Dutcher's knowledge of ethanol and why she wasn't available to discuss the issue. The account said Hatch abruptly ended the interview with: "You're nothinag more than a Republican whore. Goodbye," and then hung up.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

196 PISSED  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:06:52am

KINDA O.T.

But if you havent seen this, take a minute to watch it, then forward it please.

[Link: www.fdnylodd.com...]

197 little boomer  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:07:11am

#129 Pro-Bush Canuck

That's one of the best comments I've ever read!

198 bob the kafir  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:08:16am

Moonbats take over Army Times editorial office:

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2333 360.php

199 honest scrutiny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:08:23am
#164 killgore trout
Y'all keep a stiff upper lip.

as a southerner, killgore trout, i thank you for spelling y'all correctly!

200 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:08:37am

Hey, since we're on the subject of leftists erupting in anger, how about this.

The UN is criticizing the sentence. Bastards. The Secretariat - and Kofi Annan - looked the other way as they were enriched from Saddam's OFF program contributions (aka bribes and corruption). And they have the audacity to criticize the Iraqis' enforcement of the rule of law? The UN HRC avoided the discussion of the hundreds of thousands killed by Saddam over the years, instead trying to focus on the damage done by sanctions.

They don't want to see Saddam hanged. And it speaks volumes.

201 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:09:38am

J.D.
I heard yesterday that Sadddam can claim his military right to a firing squad. That's much too easy.

202 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:11:09am

#191 WrathofG-d

Absolutely not.
I am not trying to "convince" anyone of anything.

Old true adage:

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

I lead to water. I am not arrogant or stupid enough to think I can make anyone drink.

I speak a lot but I am not personally invested in the making of converts, that's not in the assignment as I see it.

Seems to me I end up making far more converts that way anyway.

203 Mezzetino  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:11:21am

#187 leftout

Say it again, brother! You are SO right. I think the same thing (thought not expressed so eloquently) every time I see one of those ridiculous "WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER" bumper stickers. Sometimes, war damn well IS the answer.. that's why people still do it from time to time. War is how societies solve pressing problems that can't get handled any other way.

204 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:12:24am

162 cbinflux,

when I go to your link, i get a "you are not authorized to view this..."

what does that mean?

205 J.D.  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:12:27am

#201 cbinflux
In all fairness, I think they ought to offer him the shredder. He seemed to like that.

206 NoSubmission  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:12:40am

191 WrathofG-d

Babbazee:

are you trying to convince atheists of G-d?

I used to be an atheist until I really started thinking about it. I also used to be Democrat.

So, have some hope!

207 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:12:42am

#200 lawhawk
Of course they are.

HEY

whats that?

The oil for food tumbleweed.

208 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:12:56am

#184 taxfreekiller

See my #125.

She basically lied her ass off about the entire memogate thing. Disgusting.

209 flagpony  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:14:38am

#163 lowandslow
How does something like that start?

Here is the recipe...
1) Pull up in your Mustang GT V8 (not a hybrid in the bay area) with a stars and stripes pony

2) Be wearing a 'footprint of the american chicken' T-shirt (available from rightwingstuff.com)

3) Have the gaw to politely mention that not everyone agrees with "bush is the war criminal" ..i am sure they made sure i heard it given my t-shirt

4) Mix in a little bit of patriotism on my part and the fact that I work on the troops at the VA and happened to ask what they do for the troops the feel so sorry for..

5) Bake it up with a few statistical facts regarding the true numbers of the war...

6) Top with a a triple venti latte and
oua la...you have just baked up some moonbat mayhem...

210 Airedale  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:14:49am

The Iranians say he got what he deserved.;

[Link: www.irna.ir...]

Are the iranian holy shills of the G.Bush kool aid ?

LOL

211 ggt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:16:06am

no submission --nice pix additions to your blog.

--sigh!

212 shmujew  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:16:12am

Condoleezza Rice is a familiar type of assimilator. A product of the affirmative action herself, she decries the racial preferences. Promoted in the university and politics due to her race, not altogether unimpressive scholarly works, she assimilated into the WASP milieu. Similarly to the Jewish assimilators, she purges out her cultural roots. Empty souls make queer alliances.

Now Rice inaugurated an Arab festival in the US called exactly the opposite: the American Task Force on Palestine. Let’s look at some people around her.

Ziad Asali, a Palestinian intensely disliked even by his brethren who commonly call him quisling. One of the self-appointed national leaders who live in America and have stronger ties to the US government than to his own people. Asali’s generous offer to Israel (strenuously rejected by other Arabs) includes: partition of Jerusalem, abandoning all Israeli settlements, return to the indefensible 1948 border, uncertain solution of the Palestinian refugee problem (he hints at compensation to their fourth-generation descendants), open borders (influx of Palestinian migrants and laborers into Israel), and huge subsidies to Palestine. That is the man whom Rice publicly thanks for counseling her.

Another guest is ultra-liberal Jewish collaborator Carl Levin. His family entered so many public offices as if to defy the notion of nepotism.

Next goes John Sununu, an Arab American who alone among the US governors refused to condemn the “Zionism is Racism†UN resolution. His son John, currently a US senator, votes on the issues of life and death for Israel. Just like Asali, Sununu is a good friend of Bush.

Then, Saudi ambassador Turki al-Faisal. His topics of choice during public speeches are Israeli crimes in Palestine, partition of Jerusalem, and the injustice of the separation wall which, guess, prevents Palestinian terrorists and illegal workers from entering Israel. In his capacity as Saudi chief of intelligence, Turki was directly responsible for bankrolling the PLO. During the Israeli military operation in Lebanon in 2006, Turki declared that, “[Hezbollah’ ;s] irresponsible actions do not justify the Israeli destruction of Lebanon.†Turki supports the official Saudi demands to Israel: abandoning of strategically important Golan Heights, return of the descendants of the 1948 Palestinian refugees, and East Jerusalem as capital of the Palestinian state.

Jesse Aweida, a Palestinian American oligarch and activist with close ties to Bush, isn’t worth a description.

An interesting person at the forum was Mujid Kazimi, a Palestinian professor at the MIT who works on… guess – nuclear programs. And keeps a kin eye on all things Arab.

213 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:16:12am

Bob the kafir

Moonbats take over Army Times editorial office

They're owned and editorialized by Gannett [Link: www.mediainfo.com...]

The papers are the Army Times, Air Force Times, Navy Times and Marine Corps Times. They are published by the Military Times Media Group, a subsidiary of Gannett Co., Inc. President Bush said this week that he wanted Rumsfeld to serve out the next two years.

"We say that Rumsfeld must be replaced,” Alex Neill, the managing editor of the Army Times, told The Virginian-Pilot Friday night. “Given the state of affairs with Iraq and the military right now, we think it’s a good time for new leadership there.”

The editorial was based on a decision of the publications’ editorial board, Neill told the paper.

The timing of the editorial was coincidental, Neill said.
But he added, "President Bush came out and said that Donald Rumsfeld is in for the duration … so it’s just a timely issue for us. And our position is that it is not the best course for the military” for Rumsfeld to remain the Pentagon chief.

214 deadbackpacker  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:16:20am

#187 leftout

A friend and I were talking the other day about the looming civil war in the USA. I say in the next ten to fifteen years we will be at war with this coalition, the LLL, the recoquista's, and their allies the islamofascists. Unfortunatly many people are going to die to correct the damage done by the above groups.

I think we will hold the center of the country,the south and the northwest mountain states. What the La Raza gang calls Azatlan, the northeast, mid-atlantic states will be the battleground.

I can't think offhand who said that " the tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of patriots from time to time" but that about sums up what we face.

215 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:16:31am

#210 Airedale

No one believes me, but Rove is the Mahdi. This is just more proof of it...

216 J.D.  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:16:46am
They don't want to see Saddam hanged. And it speaks volumes.


Well, if all of them got what they deserved...wouldn't be pretty.

217 NoSubmission  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:16:50am

210 Airedale

The Iranians say he got what he deserved.;

I suspect the Iranian mullahs are curling their toes in extasy over it.

218 DANEgerus  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:18:46am

Let's not forget who else is disappointed:

JFKerry picture with Saddam's lawyer Ramsey Clark

219 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:20:01am

Hanging really is too good for Saddam -- a very slow trip through a tree chipper, feet first, would be more appropriate.

220 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:20:03am

#212 shmujew
Is that your writing or excerpted from something?

If it's an excerpt do you have a link?

221 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:22:30am

#191 WrathofG-d

are you trying to convince atheists of G-d?

I agree that it is impossible to talk an atheist into believing in God. Absolutely impossible. Knowledge of God can only come from revelation and/or internal spiritual growth.

Nonethless one can learn about spiritual matters. It is possible to counter much of the intellectual rubbish (scientism, existentialism, logical positivism, post-modernism, etc.) which a majority in the chattering classes now hold to be objective truth.

Proseletyzation is useless on most atheists, however a certain sort of enlightened discourse which does not shy away from science (which of course has its place) or philosophy (egregiously abused in the past 150 years) can give the intelligent, reasonably open-minded atheist reason to pause. Couple this with the twinkle in his first-born child's eyes and many a former atheist (yours truly included) can be led to water, from which he will often drink of his own free will.

The problem is that there has been this misconception propagated by the MSM and the leftist establishment that "religious" people are uneducated yokels who believe in the equivalent of the tooth fairy, while the modern, cynical "reality-based" atheist represnets the sine qua non of intellectual sophistication, and the natural heir to the western philisophical tradtion. This is not true! The man who seeks Truth and Beauty, who longs for the Transcendent and who intuits his place in the Cosmos is fully human.

The modern atheist lives an internal life as squalid as the filthy cranny of a hotel room where Jean Paul Sartre (leftist/atheist "saint") got is pathetic jollies with cheap hookers and cheaper wine.

222 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:23:09am

Newsjunkie_ky

162 cbinflux,

when I go to your link, i get a "you are not authorized to view this..."

what does that mean?

/Sean Hannity has not yet listed you as Great American.

Go here
[Link: lesbates.blogspot.com...]
or to Cox & Forkum

223 bob the kafir  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:24:33am

#213.

So the traitors at Gannett publish a paper called "Army Times"! This is near treason, using the name of the Army to mislead and sell their lies. Gannett also publishes USA Today where a few days ago I read an editorial claiming, again, that the U.S. lost the Vietnam war. Asshats.

224 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:24:59am

#205 JD

If we can agree on feet first, then by all means!

225 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:25:04am

#200 lawhawk

Get this cesspool and its attendant vermin out of the United States, and vice versa.

Move it to Paris or, better yet, Caracas. The UN staff would love that, with billions in petro-bribes freely available again.

226 Stringart  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:25:29am

I don't understand why they're angry.

A trial was held, rules of evidence were followed, a verdict was announced.

Aren't these the same people who scream lack of due process about Gitmo? Saddam Hussein got due process in spades and will get more with an automatic appeal.

Or maybe I do understand after all.

Saddam Hussein being found guilty vindicates Bush and OIF and destroys one of their "truths".

How pathetic.

227 BarCodeKing  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:26:29am

#213 cbinflux,

Shouldn't that be "idiotarialized" to describe the Gannetters?

228 Sir Lurksalot  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:27:30am

Bush lied! Saddam died!

229 chukardog  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:28:33am

Cant we just shoot these people? Really? isnt that what youre supposed to do to traitors? Scum.

230 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:29:43am

222cbinflux

Thanks,
that was so funny.

231 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:31:04am

#224 (219, 205) religion of side/back straps

J.D., Seconded!
Let's vote!

232 bob the kafir  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:31:11am

#221 Pro-Bush Canuck

I for one am so sick of athesists. They are ruining America with their lies and perversions. I think a little quiet time for all atheists would go a long way toward the religious rebirth this country needs. 5 years of contemplation, study, and then repentance before release back into society. Include a test on the Bible so they can't just fake it.

233 shlemazl  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:31:37am

Nuclear libel by the Independent is finally exposed.

234 NoSubmission  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:32:25am

#211 ggt

no submission --nice pix additions to your blog.



Thanks! I'm trying to balance it out with more news and commentary.

235 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:32:59am

#225 Shiplord
Whoa! I love Venezuela, and it's coming back from insanity, promise.

236 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:35:39am

Pope says saddamn should not be put to death.

237 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:35:42am

Check out this pic with troops bashing Carrey.


LOL

[Link: www.blackfive.net...]

238 Rain Patriot  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:35:44am

I like how the one even puts "BushCoSatanIncarnate" as his username.

Gotta wonder whose fault it is when he gets a flat tire. Can't you see him pulled off on the side of the highway, standing next to his crippled Prius raving about how it's a BushCo conspiracy to ruin him for 'speaking truth to power'?

lol

239 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:35:47am

#226 Stringart

As Steyn points out, the key thing is that the trial wasn't held by a bunch of Euro-weenies in the Hague. The Iraqis didn't f**k around, e.g. anyone who tried to throw a fit was kicked out of the courtroom, as opposed to being allowed to make long moonbatty statements. This trial was not an EU-style academic exercise, it was about settling the score with a mass murderer and tyrant.

So the moonbats will scream and cry that Saddam didn't get a fair trial because the Iraqis are lackeys of the US, blah blah blah. TFB.

240 yah  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:37:26am

The Vatican just put out a statement that Saddam should not be put to death.

I get the feeling the Vatican doesn't like the USA very much.

241 J.D.  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:37:37am

#231 cbinflux
On second thought, a firing squad would be good if Ramsey Clark will be there.
You can never tell where one of those errant bullets might end up...

242 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:37:57am

#214 deadbackpacker

I can't think offhand who said that " the tree of liberty has to be watered with the blood of patriots from time to time" but that about sums up what we face.

Thomas Jefferson

243 nofreelunch  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:39:02am

#9 --

Judging from the pix of Saddam in his tightie-whities a while back, he wasn't "hung", but here's hoping he will be hanged soon.

/shoulda borrowed a sock from Algore

244 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:39:03am
#240 yah 11/5/2006 10:37AM PST
The Vatican just put out a statement that Saddam should not be put to death.

I get the feeling the Vatican doesn't like the USA very much.


I dont think its anti-US, just anti-death penalty.

245 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:39:20am

BabbaZee you are right on about the importance of semantics. These people really are diabolical and advocates for a hellish end.

I insisted that my husband seriously consider where we might move if the Democrats take over, and start implementing their Retreat from Sanity.

I find that I am in tune with the Aussies, and possibly the New Zealanders. I could move there for 20 years or so and wait until the inevitable happens.

If the Pubbies stay in power, I am going to start volunteering at my State senator's office. I feel a future in politics coming on. My campaign would insist on pay cuts for all law makers - for starters.

246 TotallySirius  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:40:41am

Time and CNN have already decided the verdict is meaningless.

Saddam sentences and Iraq shrugs

247 sfrepub  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:40:43am

Today's liberalism is a mental disease. It's primary cause is the cowardice born of extreme self-centeredness. Too afraid to admit the existence of the forces of evil which will stop at nothing less than genocide, the liberal deludes himself into the comforting fantasy that these forces of evil are merely victims and that they can be brought around by 'right action' on the part of the US. The liberal then blames the US and patriotic Americans for the current state of affairs. The liberal further comforts himself by believing that, in attacking America, he is battling the forces of evil like a true hero.

Anyone who points to the factual errors in this mode of thinking is forcing the liberal to confront his own cowardice and irrationality. That's why they react with such hatred to anyone who disagrees with their dogma.

As this dogma gets reinforced through decades of repetition in the media, it gets more and more pronounced. Today's liberals have thus become traitors whose cowardice has led them to make common cause with the enemies of America. They have willingly become enemies of America.

248 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:41:11am

#229 chukardog

NO!

At least not yet.

Possible "Fort Sumters" for the coming struggle:

-An overwhelming Republican victory in the coming election. With the complicity of the media-industrial complex, various agitators have laid the groundwork for violence with their conspiracy theories about stolen elections. Some of the most influential moonbats have called for "taking to the streets" if the election doesn't go their way.

- The killing of a prominent traitor. In particular, the death of Adam Gadahn at the hands of US forces would bring the war home to his ideological colleagues and, like any cornered animal, they will lash out.

- A large-scale terrorist incident, especially a nuclear attack of some kind, that results in US retaliation against either Iran or North Korea. The far left would go absolutely ape-shit in their efforts to prevent or punish such an action. Such protests would inevitably turn violent, even if the peace hypocrites did not want them to.

249 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:41:23am

#238 Rain Patriot

I like how the one even puts "BushCoSatanIncarnate" as his username.

Gotta wonder whose fault it is when he gets a flat tire. Can't you see him pulled off on the side of the highway, standing next to his crippled Prius raving about how it's a BushCo conspiracy to ruin him for 'speaking truth to power'?

Ten quatloos says that asswipe doesn't even own a car, just bums rides from his buddies (or his parents).

250 Bard  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:41:31am

#212 shmujew

I lost all respect for Condi during the Lebanese war, and I certainly don't like the looks of what she's doing now, but I have to nitpick:

the indefensible 1948 border

They defended it in 1948, didn't they?

251 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:42:14am

This is a cultural civil war, and I'm mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.

I also assume that the Lefties know the mass graves contain women holding infants who were holding toys and baby rattles.

252 Thanos  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:42:20am
#221 Pro-Bush Canuck

I for one am so sick of athesists. They are ruining America with their lies and perversions. I think a little quiet time for all atheists would go a long way toward the religious rebirth this country needs. 5 years of contemplation, study, and then repentance before release back into society. Include a test on the Bible so they can't just fake it.

Ok, enough with the aetheist bashing, some of us pro-life conservatives are aetheists. I respect your beliefs, respect mine.

Thanks!

253 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:43:17am

#238 Rain Patriot

I like how the one even puts "BushCoSatanIncarnate" as his username.

This is psychological projection in its purest form. Many atheists and leftists subliminally know just how profound their alientation from something important truly is, and it scares them into drug addiction, sexual licentiousness, political and even religious extremism (jihadists do NOT know ANYTHING about God whatsoever).

They do sense that the Void gapes below them, and that Chaos personified glimmers darkly in the nadir of their struggling souls. They project this automatically on to that which represents the opposite of what they are becoming, and that is clean-living, principled men who believe in a loving God and who wish to help others in the world achieve freedom by vanquishing tyranny.

Pity these people. They are lost. But there is hope for each and every one of them!

254 TimeQuake  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:43:21am

#187 Leftout

The moral turpitude, the cancer of the conscience and soul, that infects the left can not be met with logic, heart, or rational argument. Unfortunately (I do not say this flippantly) there comes a time when evil rises to such a level that only armed conflict and complete subjugation of evil can return civilization to relative peace and security.
We may be at such a crossroad again.

I don't know how to "strike" yet but I believe WE ARE ALREADY AT THAT CROSSROAD AGAIN. You cannot rationalize with these loons nor the Islamofacists they SUPPORT. Sometimes I wonder if I'm still living in the USA when I see/hear things like this in my own country. I too, should pray more. I hope God knows what to do come Tuesday. Our future depends on it.

255 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:43:28am

#237 elric

Well, actually... it's a joining of the families of AirForce/Army cadets/troops at the Army-AF game. You know, a couple of lesser known Academies (not quite Annapolis) that have trained the leaders of the World's Armed Forces. Losers and morons all...

256 wiz 52  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:43:38am

# 155

Moonbats need to learn one important lesson:

Instead of raising your voice...try making a better argument.

But then again there would be no release and their heads would pop off

257 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:44:07am

243 nofreelunch,

/shoulda borrowed a sock from Algore

Did I miss something? did algore use a sock?

258 NoSubmission  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:44:29am

#236 newsjunkie_ky

Pope says saddamn should not be put to death.

That's not too much of a surprise. One would expect the Pope to be against the death penalty.

259 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:45:22am

#257 newsjunkie_ky

I always thought that Al Gore used a foil-wrapped cucumber, a la Spinal Tap.

260 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:46:06am

Understanding the Culture War:
Gramscians, Tocquevillians and Others

by Steven Yates

We start the new century and the new millennium with a problem of major proportions: the seemingly unstoppable march of political correctness through American institutions and life. A recent article in the journal Policy Review, published by the Heritage Foundation, is worth reading for its insights into how we have ended up in this predicament – and also for why we seem unable to figure a way out of it. The article is by John Fonte, of the Hudson Institute, and is entitled "Why There Is a Culture War." If this article is any indication, Fonte’s forthcoming book Building a Healthy Culture, of which the article is an excerpt, is likely also worth reading as a barometer of where we stand.

Fonte contrasts "two competing worldviews" that are currently struggling for dominance in America. It would be fair to say that the two really are at war: Fonte somewhat euphemistically calls the contest an "intense ideological struggle." One he calls "Gramscian"; the other, "Tocquevillian," after the intellectuals he credits with having authored the respective warring ideologies: the Italian neo-Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci, author of Prison Notebooks and other works, and the French political philosopher Alexis de Tocqueville, author of the influential Democracy in America.

261 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:46:31am

#256 wiz 52

But then again there would be no release and their heads would pop off

And fly around the room like a deflated balloon?

:^0

262 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:47:09am

#251 Distant Thunder

Damn, but I love your Righteous Indignation! Take it to work, on the road, to a Starbucks near you -- and take it and eveyone that you can carry to the polls!

263 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:47:15am

#252 Thanos

I respect your beliefs, respect mine.

I make a distinction between people who are simply not interested in spiritual matters, or who are for some reason unable to apprehend anything beyond the here and now (many of my friends are in this category--I do not dislike or disrespect them, although I do pity them) on the one hand, and another sort of militant atheist who actively seeks to defy and defame God by spreading chaos and nihilism before him. These parasites are vile, evil beings who will get no respect from me, ever.

Rest assured I would consider you firmly in the former camp.

264 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:49:42am

259religion of bacon,

I love 'spinal tap'.

every time i think of algore, i see him flat-footing it over to W. to try to intimidate him at debate. algore makes me sick. and I love that no man intimidates President Bush.

265 ggt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:49:47am

#234 No Submission

Th

anks! I'm trying to balance it out with more news and commentary.

Like I'm going there to "read the articles" --:))

266 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:49:48am

#251 Distant Thunder

the Lefties know the mass graves contain women holding infants who were holding toys and baby rattles

The demonrats knew that Stalin was killing people by the millions and loved him.
They knew about the Killing fields in Cambodia and Chomsky called the Khmer Rouge regime "the most advanced social experiment in history"
They knew about the horrors in Nicaragua under the sandinistas and they helped them.
They know about the worldwide war of islamofascism against Freedom and they want to make America weaker.

It's a long story of horrors.

Anyone voting for the Democratic party subscribes to all that, knowingly or not.

267 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:50:10am

Christians getting a major clue


Baptist says Msulims want to conquer U.S.
CAPE GIRARDEAU, Mo., Nov. 2 (UPI) -- A prominent Midwest Baptist preacher claimed in a speech this week that Muslims wanted to conquer the United States.

The Rev. David Clippard told the Missouri Baptist Convention's annual meeting Mnday night at Southeast Missouri State, that he believed Islam was the greatest threat facing the United States, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported Wednesday.

"Today, Islam has a strategic plan to defeat and occupy America," Clippord said. According to the Post-Dispatch report, many members of the 1,200 church activists in his audience "cheered his words."


[Link: www.upi.com...]

268 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:50:12am

#245 DistantThunder
It makes me kvell that you know it!

#252 Thanos
My dad is an avowed athiest but like you and Occasional Reader and many other athiests I know you share my core belief system at the level of values. I have no bash in me for you.

What I am disgusted by and rail against are those who think that their GOD is the STATE, the "activist atheist" the evil collectivist, the depraved "progressive".

269 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:50:59am

#264 newsjunkie_ky

This blog goes to 11...

270 Bard  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:51:08am

#248

For Option A, mightn't "taking to the streets" just mean the usual protest-riots? If it does mean all-out rebellion, though, and as it's likely to be a limited movement, yup, that'd be effective. (If it's not limited, we're fucked.)

Option C - I expect even some of those Huffington nutcases would get the memo by then, and the rest would prudently shut up.

Option B is, definitely, the best way to sift through the misguided and the wackos to find the actual traitors.

271 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:51:33am

#260 DistantThunder
[insert applause here]

272 Thanos  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:51:45am

Pro-Bush Cannuck

NP friend, I just don't want you making the same mistake the left does. Not all aetheists are liberal leftists. Some aetheists arrive at a pro-life stance through pure reason. There is a certain amount of faith involved in all reason systems however, as someone earlier pointed out.

273 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:52:30am

266 Poitiers-Lepanto,

Thank you for your comment.

274 bob the kafir  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:53:23am

#252 Thanos

Enjoy your perverted ways now, because everlasting fire awaits your soul if you continue to deny Christ.

Atheists have NO PLACE in America. They are FAR worse than Moslems, having NO faith.

275 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:53:30am

LGF: 55 gallons low on Curmudgeon?
I still miss 'damn the torpedoes' rayra...

/just call me a sentimental old fool who doesn't suffer the loss of folks who don't suffer fools well.

276 TMF  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:54:26am

It would be nice if the Editors of this so-called "Army Times" did an editorial on how they think we should change strategy to win in Iraq.

Certainly that would be more useful than another trite call for Rumsfeld's firing.

"Firing Rumsfeld" is not a strategy for anything.

Other than parroting DNC talking points to win an election

Wonder what party affiliation these "editors" have?

LOL

277 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:54:31am
#270 Bard 11/5/2006 10:51AM PST

#248

For Option A, mightn't "taking to the streets" just mean the usual protest-riots? If it does mean all-out rebellion, though, and as it's likely to be a limited movement, yup, that'd be effective. (If it's not limited, we're fucked.)

I don't know - I posted a few days back that the drum beats I've been hearing from the LLL camp are almost enough to make me think they are seriously thinking of attempting a coup if they fail to win the election or acting out the script given to them in Death of A President.

278 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:55:21am

269 religion of bacon,

This blog goes to 11...

LOL!

279 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:55:49am

The interview with Richard Dawkins in Wired is a textbook example of militant, intolerant atheism. Dawkins not only wants to promote atheism, he doesn't want beliefs in a higher power to even be respected. i.e. it's not good enough that he doesn't believe in God, he wants to discredit and disrespect anyone who does. In other words, he's a fascist dickhead.

280 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:56:45am
#274 bob the kafir 11/5/2006 10:53AM PST

#252 Thanos

Enjoy your perverted ways now, because everlasting fire awaits your soul if you continue to deny Christ.

Atheists have NO PLACE in America. They are FAR worse than Moslems, having NO faith.

Judge NOT that you be not judged.

281 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:56:57am
#274 bob the kafir 11/5/2006 10:53AM PST
#252 Thanos

Enjoy your perverted ways now, because everlasting fire awaits your soul if you continue to deny Christ.

Atheists have NO PLACE in America. They are FAR worse than Moslems, having NO faith.


Nobody is worse then Muslims except perhaps secular libs that submit to Islam. You shouldnt bash those that are on our side. We need all the allies that we can get in this war. And I dont care if a few of them are atheists. The only atheists I cant stand are the religious athiests. I know thats a contradiction but I think most people know what I mean by that.

282 ModernPrometheus  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:56:57am

This reminds me of a quote from Animal House:
"Four legs good, two legs bad."

The democrat version it seems, is:
"Not Bush good, Bush bad."

Ask any moonbat, anywhere, what their solution for say, social security is. I guarantee that they'll reply: "Not what bush is doing!" That isn't an actual solution, it is merely a catchall for what they really believe, that whatever bush is doing, they want the opposite.

The Democrat party has degraded to an all time low, in which its blathering followers continually defy logic and reason every day, all in the name of their supposed morality, in which liberators are dictators, freedom is slavery, and A does not equal A.

The moonbat mentality, and the mentality shown by these lunatics is clearly a rejection of reality. And by god, if the democrats win the senate, we will be very hard pressed to find a way to keep them out of office in 08'.

283 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:58:33am

There is a place in America for all who cherish freedom. Freedom gives us the opportunity and safety to pursue truth and to live the faith we profess.

284 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:58:57am

#274 bob the kafir

Atheists have NO PLACE in America. They are FAR worse than Moslems, having NO faith.

That's completely ridiculous. This is America. People are completely free to not believe in God, as long as they don't ram that believe down the throats of their fellow Americans. And of course believers are free to believe that unbelievers will burn in Hell, etc.

285 easy  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:59:06am

#212 shmujew

Think what you will of Rice, but this is not the resume of an affirative action baby.

Rice graduated from St. Mary's Academy in 1970. In 1974, at age 19, Rice earned her B.A. in political science and Phi Beta Kappa from the University of Denver. In 1975, she obtained her Master's Degree in political science from the University of Notre Dame.

286 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:59:21am

#275 cbinflux
What fools have we suffered well since the dishonorable discharge?

287 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:59:27am

#274 bob the kafir

#252 Thanos

Enjoy your perverted ways now, because everlasting fire awaits your soul if you continue to deny Christ.

I guess that goes for the Jews, too, eh bob? Do they have a place in America?

288 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:59:58am

#284

that believe --> that belief

PIMF

289 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:00:02am
#282 ModernPrometheus 11/5/2006 10:56AM PST
This reminds me of a quote from Animal House:
"Four legs good, two legs bad."


The only quote I remember from Animal House is "Toga, toga, toga!" :-)

290 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:00:48am

#268 BabbaZee

I want to reinforce BabbaZee's words. I do not hate people who are atheists on LGF, because pretty much by defintion these are people who are opposed to evil.

I cannot hate the man who does not yet know God because I WAS that man for many years. I did not consier myself a bad person then, nor do I now think I was a bad person because I was an atheist.

All I can tell those of you here who have not yet found that part of you which is designed to know God, is that if and when you do your life will improve immeasurably. This does not mean that all "religious believers" are good people either! Just look at jihadists, or for that matter child-molesting priests and ministers.

The hardest thing in the world is to express what this all means. When I was an atheist I would read spiritual tracts on occaision but they seemed to me quaint and faintly absurd. I was above all that silly stuff. Concrete scientific reality is where it's at, baby!

Wrong.

As Plato knew we are often profoundly limited beings who see only the flickering shadows on the cave wall, not even the camp fire that casts the shadows, much less the glorious sunshine outside the cave.

Any man can awaken spiritually at any point in his life. The door is never locked, and it requires only the lightest touch to open. I would advise against trying to "figure out" spirituality, since spirituality deals with things which are prior to, and far more profound, than mere human reason. An approach based on aesthetics tends to work for many. St. Matthew's Passion, The Goldberg Variations, Count Basie, Van Morrison, the Sistine Chapel, the Acropolis. Many paths. Truth. Beauty. Unity.

291 ggt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:01:21am

babba:

#252 Thanos
My dad is an avowed athiest but like you and Occasional Reader and many other athiests I know you share my core belief system at the level of values. I have no bash in me for you.

What I am disgusted by and rail against are those who think that their GOD is the STATE, the "activist atheist" the evil collectivist, the depraved "progressive".

I spent most of my young adult years saying I was an agnostic catholic. I didn't doubt G-d, but doubted the church --any church really. I was quite militant about it for a while.

The problem, was that those who taught me about my religion didn't do a horrible job. When an intelligent child asks "why" and get's "because you'll go to hell" as an answer, the child questions the person answering and eventually the whole organization and realizes that many of the "rules" are arbitrary.

Adults who are not solid in their own faith should not be instructing children.

As an adult I learned to separate G-d's Law from Man's Law. Some adults haven't gotten to that point. I notice many of them are not parents.

292 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:02:04am

#289 Elric66

#282 ModernPrometheus 11/5/2006 10:56AM PST
This reminds me of a quote from Animal House:
"Four legs good, two legs bad."

The only quote I remember from Animal House is "Toga, toga, toga!" :-)

And "FOOD FIGHT!"

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son...

293 religion of bacon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:02:33am

Can we please change the topic to something a little less personal and inflammatory, like, oh, say... abortion?

/

294 m  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:02:46am

#275 cbinflux~ Egggcellent
/rayra :)

295 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:02:52am

#274 bob the kafir
Way HARSH, and making illogical connections.

One can be a professing atheist and not be a pervert in any sense of the word. Just as one can be a professing Christian and yet not showing the love that Christ implored.

296 ggt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:03:02am

pimf

The problem, was that those who taught me about my religion didn't do a horrible job.

did a horrible job

297 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:04:02am

Until Messiah comes to rule the Earth, America is the best we've got going. I welcome anyone who would protect her.

298 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:04:22am
#292 Spiny Norman 11/5/2006 11:02AM PST
#289 Elric66

#282 ModernPrometheus 11/5/2006 10:56AM PST

This reminds me of a quote from Animal House:
"Four legs good, two legs bad."
The only quote I remember from Animal House is "Toga, toga, toga!" :-)
And "FOOD FIGHT!"

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son...

Some other great quotes from one of the greatest movies ever made. :-)

299 easy  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:04:22am

#276 TMF

Army Times Publishing Company is a Gannett subsidiary. It publishes newsweeklies widely read by United States military people and their families, federal employees and defense and aerospace industry leaders worldwide


Think USA Today.

300 ModernPrometheus  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:04:53am

Ahhh damn, you got me.

=(

I gotta start waking up more before I post.
Bleh. Sorry all, I probably look like an complete moron...

301 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:05:13am

I have to go wash the dye out of my hair.

I told you I was old. bbl

302 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:06:14am

#293 religion of bacon

Can we please change the topic to something a little less personal and inflammatory, like, oh, say... abortion?

You masochist you. ;^)

How 'bout dem Bears?

303 bcgirl  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:06:35am

wtf...saddam is a better man than GWB ever though to be... GWB has killed more innocents than Saddam ever did...those are the most asinine statements i have EVER heard. the persons who wrote them are serioulsy deranged.
excuse me, but to my knowledge, George Bush has never personally murdered anyone, Saddam, well... I have been reading the blogs of Iraqis long enough to know the answere to that... and GWB has never oredred young teenage boys to be held in prison until they turned 18 (so they could be hanged) just be cause his motor cade was shot at, or spit on or protested,,, these people who say these things, have no clue, you all should be thanking GOD that our military is fighting hard to keep the freaks who want to destroy the way of life we have become so accustomed to,,, these idiots who say these things are so stupid they don't realize that if the terroists win, those same big mouth --no brains, will be the first to die, get your heads out of your arsses,,, i for one Will Not Submit.
God bless America, God Bless Iraq, and God continue to bless PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH.

304 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:06:39am
#300 ModernPrometheus 11/5/2006 11:04AM PST
Ahhh damn, you got me.

=(

I gotta start waking up more before I post.
Bleh. Sorry all, I probably look like an complete moron...


Just messing with you. I had to lighten things up :-)

305 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:07:05am

#266 Poitiers

It's a long story of horrors.

Anyone voting for the Democratic party subscribes to all that, knowingly or not.

The Blood of Millions of Lives are on the Hand of the Democrats, Millions formally executed and starved- while they stood by and did nothing. Look at the worthless UN and the Sudan.

I will accept that the Repbulican may have had some blood on their hands over the years - but it wasn't the "dig your own grave and then turn around so I can shoot you in the back of the head" kind of blood.

And PS. If anyone with a gun tells you to kneel down and turn around - this is your chance to fight. Never submit, do down with a fight.

306 HeatherRadish  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:07:28am

#92 JammieWearingFool

Draft dodging druggie idiot evil serial murdering child molesters who lie about their faith don't get God's protection.

Bill Clinton?

(OK, he was a rapist and not a child molester, but the rest fits...)

307 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:07:38am

#286 bz

I'm not casting no 'spersions on your Picket Duty performance Troop. 'I'm just saying' that rayra didn't.

308 ggt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:08:33am

One of the most militant athiests I ever met was a woman who had been physically abused by her minister father.

In her heart of hearts she knew that any hypothetical G-d would not abuse his children, so her father must be wrong -- so therefore there is no G-d.

She was in her 20's at the time, I don't know if she ever figured it out.

309 Thanos  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:08:45am
#252 Thanos

Enjoy your perverted ways now, because everlasting fire awaits your soul if you continue to deny Christ.

Atheists have NO PLACE in America. They are FAR worse than Moslems, having NO faith.

See you in hell then Bob, if your beliefs are true then you will end there since you are as tolerant & forgiving as Mullah Omar & his ilk.

310 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:08:55am

#299 easy

#276 TMF
Army Times Publishing Company is a Gannett subsidiary. It publishes newsweeklies widely read by United States military people and their families, federal employees and defense and aerospace industry leaders worldwide

Think USA Today.

The Gannett rag in my area (SoCal) pretty much makes the NYT seem right-wing.

311 Desso Studios  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:09:13am

It's obvious these idiots aren't overly pleased with the current administration.

How about the administration of a good old fashion country ass whupin?

312 m  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:09:25am

Moonbats erupting in anger

313 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:11:54am
#274 bob the kafir 11/5/2006 10:53AM PST
#252 Thanos

Enjoy your perverted ways now, because everlasting fire awaits your soul if you continue to deny Christ.

Atheists have NO PLACE in America. They are FAR worse than Moslems, having NO faith.

You are pissing Jesus off.

"Many will say to me in that day Lord! Lord! - Have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name, cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And I will profess unto them: I never knew you. Depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
- Matthew 7:22-23


"Oh generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment, for by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
- Matthew 12:34-37

314 Rain Patriot  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:12:06am

oh dear. this is getting ugly.


yes, how about da bears?

315 ModernPrometheus  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:12:39am

Ah, that's fine Elric66. Well, looks like it's time for some coffee, my head keeps telling me: "I meant to say farm, no house, no... where am I?"

;) Continue, I'll be back later after a cup of joe or two.

316 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:12:49am

#307 cbinflux
Whatever that means.

317 Sheepdogess  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:13:54am

Breaking news...Saddam to be hanged along with his pals.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

318 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:14:06am
#315 ModernPrometheus 11/5/2006 11:12AM PST
Ah, that's fine Elric66. Well, looks like it's time for some coffee, my head keeps telling me: "I meant to say farm, no house, no... where am I?"

;) Continue, I'll be back later after a cup of joe or two.


Catch ya later

319 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:14:11am

#291 ggt
I used to be something close to the same as you describe and for the same reasons.

320 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:15:15am

#312 m
if you didnt see it the other day the answer to your question was
"apostates"

321 Desert Rat  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:15:30am

Good op-ed by Orson Scott Card (Ender's Game). A self-proclaimed Democrat defending Bush and the War on Terror (TM).

Critics of Bush love to cite the many "mistakes" his administration has made. Most of these "mistakes" are arguable -- are they mistakes at all? -- and when you sum up the others, with any kind of rational understanding of military history, the only possible conclusion is that this is the best-run war in history, with the fewest mistakes. And most of the mistakes we've made are the kind that become clear to morning-after quarterbacks but were difficult to avoid in the fog of war.

Worse yet, Bush's opponents invariably depict these mistakes as being the result of deliberately chosen policies -- a ludicrous charge, but one that is taken seriously by an astonishing number of people who should know better. The game, you see, is blame. It's not enough to say, Bush made a mistake. You have to say, Bush deliberately did it wrong for evil purposes and he must be punished.

322 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:15:33am

A victim of Saddam's "gets" it:

Vahid Memarzadeh, 31, an engineer, lived through the war in the border town of Kermanshah, which was a favoured bombing target of the Iraqi military and exposed to the full force of the conflict.

“I was crying with joy when I heard the verdict. That criminal has to pay for killing innocent people. I saw with my own eyes charred corpses and my playmates being pulled out of the debris after bombings.”

323 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:15:48am

The real querstion (I have theories) is how in the hell we allowed Gannett take over the papers to fill our troops and their families' heads full of Liberal mush?!

Makes as much sense as an Israeli company broadcasting CNN and Al Jazeera, as CNN calling itself an American company, as Canada not kicking the hell out of their Fwench wabble-wousers...

/Don't get me started.

324 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:17:36am

#274 bob the kafir

#252 Thanos
Enjoy your perverted ways now, because everlasting fire awaits your soul if you continue to deny Christ.

Atheists have NO PLACE in America. They are FAR worse than Moslems, having NO faith.

After seeing this, and reviewing your several posts, I get a sense that you are trying hard to play the provacateur. So I just have to ask, Are you a muslim?

325 alltogethernow  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:18:40am

Disgusting comments, for sure and not unexpected, but also not the voice of the "Democrats' base" any more than the rabid right wing represents the voice of the Republican base.

326 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:18:51am

#279 religion of bacon

Richard Dawkins is a man of titanic evil. He is part of a demonic chorus line which seeks to literally undermine and destroy humanity itself. The core impulse motivating these latter-day anti-saints is Suicide. Hence the proliferation of articles such as Imagine Earth without people.

Richard Dawkins, Ramsey Clark, Lynne Stewart, Pol Pot, Adolph Hitler, Ted Bundy. Same pitch black hole where a soul is supposed to be.

Again, I'm not trying to insult non-believers here, but these people are just pure evil, far worse than Osama bin Laden. They seek to drag us into something worse than Hell: Nothingness. They represent the ultimate evil: Nihilism, which is the absolute repudiation of Being--of God.

327 Beagle  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:19:20am
Atheists have NO PLACE in America. They are FAR worse than Moslems, having NO faith.

"By their labels you shall know them."

Amen(d)

328 dmjboose  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:20:15am

bush says saddam has the right to an appeal? Are you kidding?

329 m  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:20:17am

#320 BabbaZee

if you didnt see it the other day the answer to your question was
"apostates"

Yeah, that's what I'd call them. And the imams do too. But they call themselves muslims.

330 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:20:34am

Bush is speaking on Saddam's verdict in Waco Texas.

He speaks of it as a milestone, congratulates the Iraqis on this step, and again honors the men and women of the US Armed Forces.

331 summergurl  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:20:38am

I am appalled by the comments by our liberal brethren that liken Saddam to Bush, with Bush getting tagged as “more evil”. I am also disheartened by the rallying cries of “let’s take back our country” as if we are not all one country. I read on other sites that taking video cameras in the polling places were going to some how document the aggressiveness of Republicans (which all poll workers must be I gather) to scare off voters (the only voters scared off are presumably Democrat?).

Such a disgrace to our forefathers.

332 goodbye_natalie  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:20:59am

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.

~ C. S. Lewis

A very wise man, one time atheist, and somebody I greatly admire.

333 randman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:21:08am

#8 mama winger

I'd like to know if any one of them own an American flag.

Lets be fair...sure they do...what cha think they burn at their rallies.

334 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:21:31am
#321 Desert Rat 11/5/2006 11:15AM PST

Good op-ed by Orson Scott Card (Ender's Game). A self-proclaimed Democrat defending Bush and the War on Terror (

Orson Scott Card may be a Democrat, but he is a Mormon Democrat which is to the right of most RINO's. (Harry Reid is an atypical Mormon Democrat.)


Orson Card teaches writing at my daughter's school, Southern Virginia University outside Lexington, near VMI.

335 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:21:53am

#324 abolitionist

I dont think so.

IMO
Affinity is the Muslim CAIR plant.

This one is just a just a garden variety asshole.

El Predicto smells an imminent banning.

336 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:22:40am

pssst, can we talk..?

Writers like Pro-BushCanuck really piss me off! Thoughtful, well-reasoned and seasoned essays right off the cuff.

/Posting and forwarding articles is important too! And somebody's got to drag Charles out of the bars before the threads reach 1,000 posts. Pedaling his bike, my ass!

337 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:22:46am

#329 m
they won't after a while, look at Ayan Hirsi Ali

338 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:22:54am
Disgusting comments, for sure and not unexpected, but also not the voice of the "Democrats' base" any more than the rabid right wing represents the voice of the Republican base.

Please provide some examples or take your equivocation and stick it.

BTW, that is the Democrat base.

339 m  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:22:59am

I'd rather someone have no faith than faith that they can kill others and be granted entry into allan's whorehouse.

340 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:23:38am

#328

No, you weren't hearing things. There is an automatic right of appeal, since the Iraqi government formed by the Iraqis themselves inserted this automatic protection.

That's not a bad thing, mind you. It's a sign of progress. Under Saddam, they would have simply taken someone out back and shot 'em, shredded 'em, or thrown 'em to the wolves as scraps.

341 m  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:23:44am

337 BabbaZee

they won't after a while, look at Ayan Hirsi Ali

From your fingertips to G-d's ears...

342 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:25:20am
#328 dmjboose 11/5/2006 11:20AM PST

bush says saddam has the right to an appeal? Are you kidding?

Relax. If he didn't say that, then the lunatics of the Democrat base at HuffPo might say some bad things about him.

343 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:27:58am

#316 bz
It means that rayra did not suffer fools well; nothing more.

Got an itch?

344 fugazi35  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:29:36am

It is crystal clear how the moonbats view their fellow Americans who disagree with them. These people are beyond stupid.

Just wow.

345 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:30:46am

There is also "Babette's Feast" which is an allagory about people invited to an enormous feast by a genius chef.

As they eat masterpiece after masterpiece is served to them by a servant (Jesus) who himself has seen the chef. The see and eat the masterpieces, but they do not see the chef.

Next time you watch the Discovery Channel reflect on Babette's Feast.

This link is to a review of the book by Isak Dinesan who wrote Out of Africa. It as also made into a very good movie.

346 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:31:03am

#343 cbinflux
No, I just didn't understand your response.

347 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:33:38am

Pelosi, we had her all right.

"This election is about the president of the United States; it's not about me. But it's interesting they've made the president of the United States the political hit man, and now he's making personal attacks, not only on me, but on the city I proudly represent."

She said the attacks have not been effective because half the country has never heard of her, but added: "I think they'll know who the speaker of the House is if we win."

The refrain of "San Francisco values" has been used in campaigns across the country to tie more conservative Democrats to the liberal politics of Pelosi and the city, in what many view as a not-so-subtle reference to the city's embrace of diversity.

Pelosi said she welcomed the attention.

"Any focus on San Francisco is wonderful for us. San Francisco is a city which insures all of our children ... it is a city that has been a hotbed of activity, whether it's entrepreneurial spirit and the technological world, whether it's protecting the environment, (or) protecting individual rights. It is the city of St. Francis. ... So I hope they will pay attention to San Francisco."

348 BXEKLT  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:33:48am

hopefully after tuesday we will have rid ourselves of the fake republicans and only the real ones will be left.

349 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:35:50am

#346 bz
Kewl, I was worried.

350 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:35:57am
#347 cbinflux 11/5/2006 11:33AM PST
Pelosi, we had her all right.

"This election is about the president of the United States; it's not about me. But it's interesting they've made the president of the United States the political hit man, and now he's making personal attacks, not only on me, but on the city I proudly represent."

She said the attacks have not been effective because half the country has never heard of her, but added: "I think they'll know who the speaker of the House is if we win."

The refrain of "San Francisco values" has been used in campaigns across the country to tie more conservative Democrats to the liberal politics of Pelosi and the city, in what many view as a not-so-subtle reference to the city's embrace of diversity.

Pelosi said she welcomed the attention.

"Any focus on San Francisco is wonderful for us. San Francisco is a city which insures all of our children ... it is a city that has been a hotbed of activity, whether it's entrepreneurial spirit and the technological world, whether it's protecting the environment, (or) protecting individual rights. It is the city of St. Francis. ... So I hope they will pay attention to San Francisco."

How did Bush personally attack her?

351 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:36:26am

#270 Bard

For Option A, mightn't "taking to the streets" just mean the usual protest-riots? If it does mean all-out rebellion, though, and as it's likely to be a limited movement, yup, that'd be effective. (If it's not limited, we're fucked.)

Obviously, the disciplined agitators at International ANSWER are not planning a violent revolt that would only result in their suppression, if not massacre. They may not realize how easily events could get beyond their control, however, and the rhetorical pressure for violent action has been building for years.
Similarly, the "stolen election" is meant to be just partisan rhetoric, but those promoting it have not considered the possible effect on rank and file moonbats and media culturists. In particular, Death of a President and similar propaganda could well be perceived as a green light from the media culture for real violence.
A while back, for instance, I mentioned that I had heard a Dixie Chickista unambiguously threaten to kill Chick critics, his motive being the widely promoted conspiracy theories in, Shut Up and Sing. There are thousands of such people out in the hinterland. They fall below the elitist radar screens of the professional left, and their responses to agit-prop stategies have not been given adequate consideration.

Option C - I expect even some of those Huffington nutcases would get the memo by then, and the rest would prudently shut up.

Certainly, the professionals would try, but the rank and file of the "peace" movement have no choice but to act out the current script. Otherwise, there is no point in belonging to the movement.
In recent years, this has included the open endorsement of violence against Americans and pro-American forces (by excusing the Iraqi head-choppers and Pali suicide bombers, for instance) and even a tentative endorsement of NorK and Iranian nuclear acquisitions.
The peace hypocrites have gotten away with this, largely thanks to a friendly media, and the script has become enshrined. They take their immunity for granted.
They are creatures of habit and instinct, they will take the line the script calls for, and will give no thought to the consequences.

Option B is, definitely, the best way to sift through the misguided and the wackos to find the actual traitors.
I agree. The merely crazy or misguided; the Kumbayists and campus Mumia-cong, for example; will either come to their senses or retreat in fear. Dedicated activists, however (see Zombie-time) will react viscerally to a perceived and personal threat. They too have the green light from the media elite, as well as a long history of enscripted responses, and will act accordingly.

352 dmjboose  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:39:46am

wow, I came into this thinking I'd be reading about moonbat insanity, and suddenly it became an insulting anti-atheism fest. Unfortunately I don't have time right now to argue, but I'll be back later if anyone feels like discussing it.

To start I am an atheist. Completely. I belive in God just as much as I believe in elves, gnomes or the flying spaghetti monster. I am also a libertarian, not a democrat, so don't accuse me of wanting to turn our country into a commie's paradise. Now, the biggest problem that many of you seem to have with atheism is the lack of morality that it USUALLY entails. This doesn't mean that atheism necessarily results in being an amoral person. I, for one, have a very clear moral code that I follow as well as I can. Why do i follow it? because by following it I am a happier person. I'd say that's the reason why most of you follow your religious beliefs too. If you were in a religion/denomination that constantly sought your misery, you would look for another one where you would be "happier in god". In reality you would just be happier. If you want to see what morality without religion is like, read some ayn rand.

# 206 NoSubmission
you used to be an atheist? Why did you switch to religion?

353 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:41:02am

#349 cbinflux
No worries mate.


Gotta go
See yez

354 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:47:17am

#352 dmjboose

I have nothing against you or your chosen unbelief, I am not being confrontational with this coment, just making my comment based on your comment for you/anyone reading to think about:

If you want to se what Ayn Rand's personal morality was like, read

Judgement Day by Nathaniel Branden

I used to be a Randian too.

I grew up under a woman JUST like her in many ways.
Also as I mentioned somewhere above my father is an atheist too.

Rand was a lapsed Jew.
She culled the morality out of Torah,
minused GOD
and deified MAN

that breaks down rather quickly under fire.

I really do have to go

see you all later

355 Catttt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:48:36am

Something tells me these people are not sorry that Saddam has been sentenced to hang.

This is justice from heaven. He should have been hanged a long time ago. This is the smallest punishment for someone who executed tens of thousands of people.

— Abdul-Ridha Aseeri, who heads political science department at Kuwait University. (AP, dateline 11/5/6)

356 dmjboose  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:49:36am

ok, i read through the comments more carefully, and it wasn't exactly the anti-atheism fest i described. Sorry for overreacting, but it's easy to do when someone tells you you're worse than a terrorist. Gotta Run.

357 scaramouche  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:51:56am

Don't know if this has been posted, but the clueless loons of Amnesty International are all concerned that Saddam wasn't given a fair trial.

Yeah, I'm really worked up about that one, too.
/

358 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:52:30am

Who'$ your daddy?! (NotW)

In 2004, Bruce McMahan, then 65, whose success with his McMahan Securities hedge fund in the 1990s made him one of America's wealthiest men, married (perhaps unofficially) his own daughter (who had been born of a 1968 McMahan fling) following a two-year affair (according to a September report in Florida's Broward-Palm Beach New Times, based on court documents generated when the daughter sought a break-up). McMahan denied the affair and the marriage, but New Times found, among other things, many wedding photos and marriage-acknowledging e-mails, and reference to a vibrator laden with "evidence." All lawsuits relating to the matter were settled, and the files sealed by the court, in early September. [Broward-Palm Beach New Times, 9-28-06, 10-12-06]
359 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:53:26am

Gordon arrested

Naked man arrested for concealed weapon Sat Nov 4, 12:41 AM ET


EL CERRITO, Calif. - A man was arrested on suspicion of carrying a concealed weapon after police found him outdoors — naked — and he told them he had a tool in his rectum, authorities said.


The man was lying on a tree stump, masturbating beside a nature path, near a Bay Area Rapid Transit station Thursday, police said.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

360 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:54:45am

Mind your own business

Latin leaders criticize U.S. border fence plan 2 hours, 47 minutes ago


MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay (Reuters) - Leaders from Latin America, Spain and Portugal on Sunday criticized U.S. plans to build a fence on the Mexican border to keep out illegal immigrants and urged Washington to reconsider.



Ending an Ibero-American summit focusing on migration, leaders from 24 countries issued a special statement expressing "deep concern" about the fence plan.

"The building of the wall doesn't help us go in the right direction," said Chilean President Michelle Bachelet.

President Bush signed legislation last month approving the construction of the 700-mile (1,100-km) fence -- a move that angered Mexico's government.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

361 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:57:27am

#352 dmjboose

Now, the biggest problem that many of you seem to have with atheism is the lack of morality that it USUALLY entails.

That's not my problem with atheism. My problem with atheism is that it is a patently false doctrine which is easily shredded by anyone remotely familiar with the tenets of logic.

Having been exactly where you are today 15 years ago I can completely sympathize with your ignorance of a reality beyond the circumscribed, stuffy little ambit carved out by empirical sense data.

I can only tell you that what you think you know about the universe is absolutely false. I urge you to look within yourself. You are capable of so much more than you know!

362 Rain Patriot  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:57:29am
"The building of the wall doesn't help us go in the right direction," said Chilean President Michelle Bachelet.


(the direction he had in mind was, 'North')

363 Thanos  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:57:44am

Watch that fast skimming folks, it will get you :)

I redid my Sadaam Sentencing Post because I really like the second picture as a contrast to the first, you can't just show the evil, you have to also show the answer to it.

364 Rain Patriot  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:58:07am

#362


PIMF, *her

365 Rain Patriot  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:58:34am

#364

er... or 'she' I suppose


I'm just going to stop trying

366 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 9:59:50am
#362 Rain Patriot 11/5/2006 11:57AM PST

"The building of the wall doesn't help us go in the right direction," said Chilean President Michelle Bachelet.


(the direction he had in mind was, 'North')


That would be my guess. But its nobody's business about OUR fence on OUR border.

367 NoSubmission  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:02:46am

352 dmjboose

206 NoSubmission
you used to be an atheist? Why did you switch to religion?

Good question. My mother was raised Catholic; real Catholic, not 'Kennedy' Catholic. She believes in God but we never went to church, and nor I was ever baptised much to the great and ongoing concern of her family. My father was Jewish and not religious.

We never talked about religion even though I went to Catholic school for 5 years. I was left to my natural rebeliousness and curiosity and came to the premature conclusion that there was no God. I was leaning towards Buddhism if anything at all.

I had a paranormal experience right before a tragic death in my family and it started me in a direction that led me to think harder and harder about what the spirit is. It took about ten to twelves years of deep pondering to have turned completely around. All the proselytizing in the world couldn't have done it. I came by myself.

I don't feel the need to worship, to be baptised or convert to Judaism, but I have a profound reverence for all life and its eternal creator. So, that for me is religion in the least dogmatic sense.

Thanks for asking. I hope I explained that well.

368 deportman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:03:06am

How come the left only advocates the death penalty for their political opponents? The "new" left has all of the hallmarks of the Uncle Joe inspired COMINTERN of the 1930's. That is until the Ribbontrop-Molotov pact was signed. It is so painfully obvious that the modern left, in their many manifestations, are in league with our enemies. The left offers no solutions, except for capitulation to terror and tyranny.

369 Hucbald  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:04:17am

I'm psychotic... er... psychic. ;^)

Wolf Blitzer asked if the sentencing of Saddam was orchestrated by the Bush administration to be timed a couple of days before the elections.

CNN: The Commie Nincompoop Network.

370 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:05:49am
#369 Hucbald 11/5/2006 12:04PM PST
I'm psychotic... er... psychic. ;^)

Wolf Blitzer asked if the sentencing of Saddam was orchestrated by the Bush administration to be timed a couple of days before the elections.

CNN: The Commie Nincompoop Network.


Kinda like showing Broken Government a week before the elections? They truly do live in their own little world.

371 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:05:49am

[Liberal, Progressive] Starbucks defends business with poor farmers
[Link: today.reuters.com...]

Starbucks (SBUX.O: Quote, Profile, Research), the icon of U.S. coffee culture, strongly defended on Sunday its business practices with poor coffee farmers around the world after it was accused of blocking the U.S. trademark application of coffee growers from Ethiopia.

Starbucks said in a full page ad published Sunday in the New York Times that it has worked to strengthen infrastructure of coffee farms in many parts of the world.

"We do these things -- in Ethiopia, in Guatemala, in Indonesia, and other coffee growing communities around the globe -- not just because it's the right way to work but because it's the smart way to work," the ad said.

Ethiopia, where coffee was first cultivated in the year 850, and British charity Oxfam accused Starbucks last month of stopping the African country from trademarking its coffee, denying farmers potential income of about 50 million pounds ($94.22 million).

Oxfam said the U.S. coffee shop, famous around the world for the coffee culture it ignited from its base in Washington state, prevented Ethiopia from securing trademark protection for two of its best-known beans -- Sidamo and Harar.

Reminds me of Pelosi's workers; No union for them, NO WAY!

372 freedom rings  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:06:22am

My favorite Abraham Lincoln quote:

At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide. [Link: showcase.netins.net...]


/shivers

373 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:07:00am

Something else for moonbats and Murthas to chew on:

Photos of American troops terrorizing Iraqi children!

374 Iron Fist[deleted]  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:13:00am
375 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:14:01am
#374 Iron Fist 11/5/2006 12:13PM PST
Can we question their Patriotism now?

Damn straight.


They have no patriotism to question.

376 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:14:13am

#372 freedom rings

or die by suicide

This is what the Left is REALLY about. Abortion, failure to have any children in Europe, nihilistic "philosophy", craven cowardice in the face of the Islamist enemy, hideous "popular" "culture" celebrating violence, death and degraded animal sexuality.

In the end the Left denies Life itself.

377 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:15:16am

#374

Absolutely. Along with their sanity, humanity, intelligence, and future survival.

378 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:17:09am

#376 Pro-Bush Canuck

The father of lies is the father of death. He is on his last gasp, and he is determined to drag as many as he can with him. Legions of the dead are his only, and false, hope for the final great battle.

379 diablovision  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:17:52am

Record, record, record. Record everything the demos say now and have ever in their lives and then play it back for the entire world to see. Then you will know exactly what they are up to, and exactly what they believe.

They are so far out of touch and spinning in circles, that when we get hit again, it will be crystal clear that their party and their ideology is completely bankrupt. Their party will be voted out with such force in 2008 or 2010 that it will sting for decades. And it will only make them more nuts.

380 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:18:34am
#378 mama winger 11/5/2006 12:17PM PST
#376 Pro-Bush Canuck

The father of lies is the father of death. He is on his last gasp, and he is determined to drag as many as he can with him. Legions of the dead are his only, and false, hope for the final great battle.

Well he has plenty of Muslims and libs on his side.

381 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:20:12am

I am going absolutely bat-shit nuts here. About fifteen minutes ago the NG posted flight manifests home for my son's unit. I can't get the page to load. Everyone and their Uncle Charlie must be trying to access the site.

CAN'T THEY SEE ONLY I AM IMPORTANT !?!?!

:)

382 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:21:17am

#381 mama winger

I just got home, looked at the time, and wondered if you'd heard anything!

Keep us osted.

383 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:21:49am

Iran test-fires more new weapons in war games
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Iran has announced it had successfully test-fired new armour-piercing weaponry and an anti-helicopter missile system on the third day of its latest war games.

"The new generation of anti-helicopter and anti-armour weapons were successfully tested on day three of the manoeuvres," an announcer on state television said as pictures of the test-firing were broadcast Saturday.

In the "Great Prophet II" war games, due to last 10 days, Iran has so far fired its Shahab-3 longer range missile for the first time in manoeuvres as well as new types of land-to-sea and sea-to-sea missiles.

The armour-piercing weapons tested Saturday include a rifle equipped with special sights that can identify an enemy seven kilometres (four miles) away and can penetrate a target wearing a bullet-resistant vest from a distance of three kilometres (one-and-a-half miles).

The other new anti-armour weapon tested was a system aimed at penetrating the armour plate of tanks that "can be carried by a person, with high accuracy, high speed and high explosive power".

"The bullet of this system penetrates the armoured equipment and then explodes," state television said.

The anti-helicopter weaponry was described as highly portable and accurate. Four anti-helicopter missiles can be fired from each system.

"The anti-helicopter weapon can hit helicopters in different circumstances," the television added.

"The anti-armour weapon has the ability to penetrate different kinds of advanced bullet-armour vests" as well as the armoured exterior of tanks, it said.

Bush should say, "Thanks for the specs. If we find any of these in Iraq or Afghanistan, we'll be sure to send them back home right away."

384 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:22:42am

#382 GotC

I swear I am going to break a window if the page doesn't come up soon.

Wait . . .

385 Odinist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:23:23am

#381 mama winger

Glad to hear your son is coming home soon!

Please give him my thanks for defending our nation!

-Odinist

386 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:23:27am

Damn - it just directs me to another non-loading page. Great.

387 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:24:37am

#385 Odinist

Thank you - I sure will tell him that. :)

/ If I can ever find out when he's coming in. Damn you Algore.

388 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:25:27am

#386 mama winger

Praying for you now...

389 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:26:37am

#388 pbc

Pray that I don't shoot someone. :)

390 RedPepper  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:27:06am

Does anyone besides me wonder what John Kerry's nic at Huffington Post is?

Chikmagnet?

LongJohnSwiftie?

TheJoker?!?

391 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:27:07am

here it is

392 Elric66  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:27:08am

OT


'Phins Rules!

393 Hucbald  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:28:02am

#373 Shiplord

Clearly, that is abuse... CLEARLY! ;^D

394 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:29:39am

AAARRRGGGHHH

it crashed - have to start all over

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395 bcgirl  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:30:20am

#214
--civil war in the U.S.---you could be right, but i think the area La Raza considers Aztlan, is actually the the states of California, Arizona. New Mexico. Southern Utah, Texas of course and up into Oregon, interestinlgy they seem to go around Nevada, where I live, but I can tell you for sure, there are lots of illegals from Mexico,El Salavador, and other places living and working here. I think that the La Raza movement is managed by American born legals and illegals, i know that one of the loudest proponents here in my town is of Mexican decent but was born here, he was a juvenile criminal, part of a gang, did a gang shooting, went to prison and after prison he started working with the "poor disadvantaged youth to teach them the perils of the gang, and now he is touted as a local hero for his "service" now then when the "day without immigrants" were held, he was one of the loudest voices speaking about how this is their country and how they will take it back--by voting... and guess what, my sample ballot is in English and Spanish...the enemy within is who we need to be worried about.just as surley as the enemy from abroad...

396 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:31:31am

haha I'm back

Hucbald

was he playing a DAN ELECTRO on Rock Lobster?

397 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:31:59am
#234 NoSubmission

no submission --nice pix additions to your blog.

Thanks! I'm trying to balance it out with more news and commentary.

NOOO. I just want half-nekkid menfolk.

398 Odinist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:33:38am

#394 mama winger

Wow, sorry to hear that... I'll offer a few prayers for you...

399 Lutefisk_Bob  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:33:43am

I have but one question for the Left:

When was the last time one of your comrades dissappered in the middle of the night, never to be seen again, taken by one of Bushitler's goons?...
Hmmm I'm waiting... I thought so

You ididots wouldn't know oppression or
tryanny if it bit you on the ass!

400 TimeQuake  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:34:17am

#37 freedom rings

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide. [Link: showcase.neti...]


/shivers

Hey, quit passing those shivers around, too scary, too true, YIKES!

401 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:36:31am

Surely the IRS will notice, right?
[Link: www.commercialappeal.com...]

When it comes to politics, it's not only a good idea for churches and other nonprofit organizations to stick to promoting issues rather than candidates -- it's the law.
Your story about Harold Ford Jr.'s U.S. Senate campaign event at Temple of Deliverance Church of God in Christ (Nov. 2 article, "Exchanging jabs -- Clinton rallies the Democratic faithful for Ford's Senate bid") included a glaring omission: You failed to mention why Ford's opponents did not participate in this event.
As Bishop G.E. Patterson and other leaders of Temple of Deliverance C.O.G.I.C. should know, failing to invite all the candidates to a political event at their facility will nullify their church's tax-exempt status under Section 501(c)(3) of the United States Tax Code.
I look forward to your coverage of the Internal Revenue Service investigation that's sure to come.
Chris Williams
Germantown

Every election here in the Mid-South, Liberals and reverse-racists do what they damn well please, ignoring laws at will.

Where are the demands by the local/national MSM, ACLU, League of Women Voters, etc. demanding investigation and swift justice?!

The paper linked endorsed Jr. of course. They are known to demand investigations and sunshine, tofile many suits... when it comes to Conservatives.

402 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:40:23am

#401 cont'd

Surely Slick 'Big Cigar' Willie and Barracks Bomber would NEVER break election and tax laws, surely not!

403 Hucbald  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:40:29am

#396 BabbaZee

Afternoon, m'lady!

Danelectro wouldn't be a bad guess, but when I first saw the B-52's in, like, '82... arrrg, I'm ancient!... one of them had a Rickenbacker.

404 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:42:09am

#390 RedPepper

Does anyone besides me wonder what John Kerry's nic at Huffington Post is?

Chikmagnet?

LongJohnSwiftie?

TheJoker?!?

Lurch?

Manbag?

Flipper?

Mr. President?*

*Ohio was stolen, you see...

405 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:43:38am

#403 Hucbald

One of the only bands I loved that I never saw live, mores the pity. Rickenbacher was my second guess but I thought they are so quirky they would use a dan electro.
Oh, I'm old too, have a seat.
I like old. Beats hell outta dead.

406 beblebrox  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:44:01am

#361 Pro-Bush Canuck

OK, I'll go out on a limb and take a relatively unpopular position on this board. I am a relatively intelligent, educated person. I have to say that the usual things that people quote as evidence of a Superior Being: Some of the photos from the Hubble thread yesterday, the birth of a child, etc. only serve to yet further affirm my conviction in the non-existence of any higher power. I love the beauty and perfection of the mathematics and physics which are the driving force of the universe. The knowledge of the rarity an uniqueness of the Weak Anthropic Principle which has allowed us to evolve on this world nearly brings me to tears. The 20 or so billion years and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle that it has taken to bring each and every one of us as a unique individual into this universe is the greatest story ever imaginable.

My support of the WOT is firmly rooted in my disgust and rejection of the islamist's medieval mindset that rejects logic and reason and is instead willing to murder, kill and maim in the name of what i consider at best, fairy tales (albeit horrendously violent ones), and at worst serious hindrances to man's full potential.

I am, however, deeply respectful of our Western, Judeo-Christian culture, and those who faithfully practice it.

407 Hucbald  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:45:12am

#405 BabbaZee

Old taunts... STAN! ROTFL!

408 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:46:08am

#395 bcgirl

That raises another possibility for the "Fort Sumter" episode to which I referred in my #248.

I was in Los Angeles recently, where I have both African-American and Hispanic associates, mostly military retirees. They are conservative politically, and very astute observers of local trends.

They believe there is a real possibility of deadly rioting between blacks and illegal aliens next summer. Resentment of the illegals has grown to explosive proportions in the poorer black neighborhoods, and the usual suspects ignore it completely. Instead, the liberal-appointed minority leadership goes through the usual charade of black-brown solidarity and the media join in by attributing all friction to gang rivalry.
The Rodney King riots were minor vandalism compared to what could happen. It will be all the more shocking and likely to spread because of the PC authorities' blind denialism and consequent lack of preparation.
The media and the local authorities will not even comprehend what is happening, let alone be able to stop it.

409 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:46:11am

#359 Elric66

For some reason I'm sitting her giggling.

410 mrsoc  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:46:34am

#21 neverquit
Dude clean the water in that bong-please.

411 scorpio  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:47:24am

#390 RedPepper

Does anyone besides me wonder what John Kerry's nic at Huffington Post is?

American French Gigolo

412 beblebrox  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:50:41am

I may, however be quite mad; as I went out yesterday and spent $1200 yesterday to watch my beloved Steelers loose in HDTV. ;)

/arguing against oneself is surely a sign of insanity

413 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:51:55am
414 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:52:10am

Penn President Poses [Lady Liberty and student hostages] with "Suicide Bombers" and decapitation squads
[Link: www.democracy-project.com...]

Please don't forget to write the Governor!
[Link: sites.state.pa.us...]

It does matter.

415 RedPepper  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:52:32am

#404 Spiny Norman: I'm pretty sure MrPresident is already being used by AlGore ...

/(after all, we stole Florida first ...)

416 Sharku  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:53:45am

The Lefties are so in favor of abortion, I propose that for them, we take it one step further and make it retroactive.

417 PSGInfinity  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:56:30am

#408 Shiplord Kirel

...so what happens when the Hispanic gangs wipe out their black counterparts?

418 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:56:54am

#325 alltogethernow

"Disgusting comments, for sure and not unexpected, but also not the voice of the "Democrats' base" any more than the rabid right wing represents the voice of the Republican base."

I know what you mean. I am a rabid right-winger and I resent the hell out of being associated with the Bush administration's "open borders" policy.

419 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:56:58am

Dead thread?

420 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:57:35am

Spoke too soon.

421 Hucbald  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:58:41am

#413 BabbaZee

Streetcar! I spent a lot of time in old (Pre-Katrina) N.O. and on the old streetcars. I sure hope they get that city and culture back. I love the Big Easy.

#415 RedPepper

Pepper really your name? My last name is Pepper. Only 1 in 100,000 Americans has Pepper as a last name. Very uncommon.

422 Odinist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:58:42am

#412 beblebrox

Go Steelers!

/game in 15 minutes

423 jfromfolsomca  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:59:34am

#274 bob the kafir

I didn't see any sarc tag, so my reaction to your words is that you are either a self righteous prig or a nincompoop.

j

424 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 10:59:41am
Dead thread?

IM thread?

425 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:00:28am

I challenge any of Huffington's posters to name any of the charges against Hussein in this trial.

I bet your average Iraqi can do so.

426 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:02:28am

Damnit, Charles is holed up in another Biker Bar!

Be right back...

427 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:02:31am

#406 beblebrox

An almost perfect recitation of the received standard intellectual model for post-modern man.

As I've said numerous times above, I've been there myself. It is only once you realize that you are seeing only the horizontal plane of human existence that you can break free. There is no easy way to convey this to you. You must be absolutely open to the idea that you may not have the last word on the nature of Being.

Atheism is essentially self-refuting. A purely materialistic view of the world asserts that we represent the interaction of inanimate particles. But if you are nothing more than an arbitrary collection of particles then why should I believe you? In such a universe there is no Truth, since as mentioned earlier all closed logical systems are necessarily self-referential (cf Godel, et al). Human reason is powerful, but it cannot prove itself. Ever.

Attempts to explain the existence of consciousness using purely materialistic heuristics involve a LOT of hand-waving and fancy-sounding "scientific" lingo (most of which has nothing to do with actual science). The inability of many modern people to apprehend the fullness of reality stems from a scotoma induced by the diseased philosophies of the 19th and 20th centuries, which culminated in the wholly worthless rantings of the existentialists.

It takes years for most people to grow spiritually. A very large number of people today remain stunted in a sort of adolescent denial of anything beyond the weak penumbra of psychic candlelight their limited ratiocination generates. Still others deviate from a true knowledge of God in order to become twisted parodies of a spiritual man (Islamists, and sadly many Christians too).

Fully enlightened men throughout history--men including Issac Newton, Immanuel Kant and Albert Einstein--have always known that Being Is, and that Being cannot be flattened to childish materialistic navel-gazing.

Smart people have the most difficulty with spirituality because they tend to vastly over-estimate what they actually know. Let go of your ego for a while. Set aside Scientific American for a bit. Contemplate on the deeper meaning of the Cosmos, deeper than quantum mechanics, quasars or parallel universes. Soon you may catch a glimpse of eternity.

428 beblebrox  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:02:47am

#422 Odinist

Don't I know! Got the Plasma tuned in, got a fire blazing in the fireplace, got a pot of kielbasa, sauerkraut, and pirogies, and I've got a cold case of Bass Ale. For today, at least, all is right with the world. MAN I LOVE BEING AN AMERICAN! Especially in the 21st century.

429 Fredlike  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:02:56am

Does the religion of peace teach that one must die with blood to be redeemed? That is to say, one you was shot has a chance at redemption but not one who was hung. Thus death by hanging or strangulation would be considered more harsh than a beheading or firing squad.

I read this used to be the belief of Mormons (not sure if it is still taught) and Utah had death by firing squad for long after most other states due to this belief.

430 randman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:03:16am

# 360 Elric

Leaders from Latin America, Spain and Portugal on Sunday criticized U.S. plans to build a fence on the Mexican border to keep out illegal immigrants

LOL! Spain has a fence with razer wire on its Moroccan border.Fargin hypocrites

431 jwpaine  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:04:29am

Sorry to go OT, but the professor who caught hell (but not nearly enough) a few years ago for calling an Air Force Academy cadet a "baby-killer" is now taking wacks at PirateBallerina (see the comments section).

432 Thanos  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:04:31am

OT:

ISRAELI forces shot dead two Palestinian gunmen and a police officer and kept up missile strikes against militant targets in the northern Gaza Strip today, residents and medical officials said.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel's assault on rocket-launching squads and gunmen would not be open-ended but declined to say when it would finish. He appeared to acknowledge the rocket threat could not be wiped out by the operation.

Several homemade missiles hit the Israeli border town of Sderot, the Zaka rescue service said. No one was hurt.

Israeli forces have killed at least 48 people, more than half of them gunmen, in the five-day operation in northern Gaza, Palestinian medical officials have said.

433 cmb  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:05:54am

OT.

Go Miami!

434 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:06:55am

#406 Beblebrox

The 20 or so billion years and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle that it has taken to bring each and every one of us as a unique individual into this universe is the greatest story ever imaginable.

Beautiful post.

I don't mean this aggressively: if all that REALLY moves you, how can you BELIEVE that all that come out from NOTHING ?

How NOTHING can produce anything ? Not being produces Being ?

Of course the quantic void can, but how the QUANTIC void came to BE ?

435 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:09:32am

Great comments from the brothers of Iraq the Model at Pajamas Media:

I was overwhelmed with joy and relief as I watched the criminals being read their verdicts. For the first time in our region tyrants are being punished for their crimes through a court of law.

Until this moment and while I’m typing these words I’m still receiving words of congratulations in emails, phone calls and text messages from friends inside and outside the country. These were our only means to share our happiness because of the curfew that limits our movement.

436 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:10:02am

#434 Poitiers-Lepanto

How NOTHING can produce anything ? Not being produces Being ?

Ex nihilo, nihil fit

437 PapaWolf  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:10:24am

The verdict handed down was a triumph of justice for a new nation that needs to see that principle in action. Congrads and cheers for the people and especially the judiciary of Iraq. May all who suffered under his thugocracy obtain some solace with his speedy descent to hell.

For those of us who did not directly suffer from Saddam's horrors, the booting of the tool Ramsey Clark from the courtroom was nearly as good. Memo to Mr. Clark, Halloween is OVER, stop being a mad clown. If you must protest the verdict, the deadender terrorists, your spiritual cousins have a burka for you. They made it with extra semtex decorations but at least it's stylish. (Poor taste but true on several levels)

My son asked when the sentance was to occur so he could schedule a party. I am conflicted but just can't celebrate the death of that monster. A quiet smile and sigh of relief are fine. The death penalty is certainly needed as a moral statement of civilization but I will never rejoice over any soul being lost to hell.

Moral equivelance is an ugly thing. The morlocks are out in force disgracing the landscape. Reading DKos or DU is like taking a bath in a latrine. Clean up on asle CNN.

438 easy  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:13:15am

mama winger

Till little winger gets home you will have moments of great frustration, anxiousness and even anger, followed by great joy.

EsayII got home last December and I remember it like yesterday.

Give him a hug of thanks for all of us.

439 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:13:34am

#406 beblebrox

You state yourself well and I respect it.

I only have one question for you,
and it is not meant as a confrontation
or a conversionary tactic.
I ask because I like your posts
and I am curious as to
what your answer will be.

DNA is a code, written in intelligible, decipherable, executable language.
This code tells the cell what to become
with irreducable complexity.

Who wrote that code?

440 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:13:38am

#217 PSGInfinity

"...so what happens when the Hispanic gangs wipe out their black counterparts?"

This extends way beyond the gangs, but that won't happen in any case.
Another liberal myth that has a bearing here(one also promoted by certain Republicans) involves the degree to which Hispanic citizens identify with and support illegal immigration.
Except for the anglo-recognized leadership, Hispanic citizens often resent the illegals almost as much as blacks do, and this is especially true of the poorer people who have to rub shoulders with them. The latter is the demographic from which gang members are drawn and, whatever their faults, the gangs are dominated by citizens. This may be less true in CA than here in TX but it means that the illegals will be on their own.

441 hilchar  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:13:48am

Could someone explain to me where and how all of this Bush hatred started?

I know that dems have always disliked Republicans but this is beyond the partisan dislike I have experienced before.

Dan Rather would give up a lifeling career, dems disgrace our country world wide by airing their hatred for all to see.

I don't understand, why this president? He isn't a bad guy at all. I truly believe he is a man of his convictions and stands for what he believes to be right.

442 beblebrox  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:15:49am

#427 Pro-Bush Canuck

I think the greatest issue I have with those wo consider themselves believers, or at least spiritual is the need to believe in or have the need for, some sort of Truth or Meaning when it comes to matters of life and death. I tend to reject this outright I see it as a false premise at best. To me asking about the meaning of life would be like asking if Thursday is purple, in other words an absurd question postulated from a false premise. Life in general, and human life in particular are chaotic at best, and senseless at worst (just watch the news), and are not subject to absolutes imposed from on high, except those which define the interaction of elementary particles.

That is not to say there is no such thing as morality and proper behavior. Tens of thousands of years have shown us there is a proper and productive way for human beings to interact, and the religions who follow those the most closely are the ones which are the most violence free, and are composed of the most content people.

443 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:15:54am

#424 DesertSage

If it were turned on...

444 mama winger  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:16:20am

Wooo - Hooo !

I finally got into the vault and found out Little Winger's flight-home information. I can't get too specific, but I'll just say next weekend is going to be party time at mama's house. :)

Thanks to all for your good wishes - I need to go collapse in a happy-puddle for a while. bbl
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* * *___
* * *___
* * *___
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445 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:16:35am

#95 Roger
#110 BabbaZee
#112 newsjunkie_ky
#153 windybon

Thanks for straightening me out - guess I need to watch the tube more often.

446 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:17:45am

#441 hilchar

They hated Reagan just as much, probably more.

But we did not have 24 hour cable and the internet then to have a hate fest 24 hours a day 7 days a week with...

447 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:18:39am

#444 mama winger

Mazel Tov Mama !

L'CHAIM!

448 Odinist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:18:50am

#428 beblebrox

Amen!


Enjoy the game and ignore the religious 'thread war'... as long as we live in America we are free to believe as we will... being on the same side politically is what is important here...

449 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:20:17am

Yipppeee!

450 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:20:59am

#448 Odinist
I don't see any war here, there was one asshole that got immediately stomped on, everyone else is having a civil discussion.

451 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:21:09am

#406 Beblebrox

The bottom line is that in order to make sense of the world one must apply Occam's Razor. The only truly sensible explanation for the fact that we are, that we exist at all is to accept what we commonly call God as the Fount, the Source and the Destiny of all that is, ever was and will be.

We exist in a fallen state, in a state of separation from God. As we move through our brief lives we can arrest this Fall from Grace and move back toward the Source of Being.

Purely materialistic explanations are woefully inadequate at the most basic level. Even the laws of nature themselves contradict the belief that random chance assembled the world. The primordial physical constants which hold this world together are tuned to within one part in a trillion trillion trillion in order to produce the conditions that allow for the formation of stars, planets, gravity, water--life. The chance that these constants were set by accident is so astronomically remote that it would constitute a form of insanity to make such an argument. The ONLY way out of this for the materialist is to postulate multiple--in fact an infinity of--universes. We just happen to be in the "right" one. The problem with this for the atheist, as I mentioned on a previous thread, is that given an infinite number of permutations of verses, at least one will evolve featuring a Supreme Intelligence indistinguishable from God, and worse, a place for unbelievers indistinguishable from Hell. Such a multiverse is absolutely incomprehensible to us, of course. Better to keep it simple, stupid, and see the obvious: Truth Is, Beauty Is, Being Is. Absolutely. For ever. And it is all given to you, free of charge.

452 hilchar  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:23:46am

#446 BabbaZee

I guess I wasn't paying enough attention during the Reagan years. I get nauseous just listening to the media spewing vitriol and lies about our leader on a daily basis. Maybe I am just from a different generation, but we were encouraged to pray for our leaders. To be proud to be American and respect this wonderful country.

454 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:25:09am

Livingstone praise for revolution
[Link: edinburghnews.scotsman.com...]

LONDON mayor Ken Livingstone has praised the Cuban revolution and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in his first stop on a visit to Latin America.

He called Fidel Castro's communist revolution "one of the high points of the 20th century", and said he came to Cuba to learn more about its successful programmes.

455 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:25:10am

#452 hilchar
The world has degenerated significantly in the last 25 years. The "normalization of evil" is almost complete.
You were raised right.

456 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:25:14am

Re: future anti-invasion riots in Los Angeles.

It occurred to me that the media-indoctrinated lib elite of the area will have no idea what to do if the violence spills over into their neighborhoods.
When they see a mob of armed Hispanics boiling up the street, knocking down the gates and putting the security guards to flight, they will remember their PC lessons, get out their Mexican flags, and run out to declare solidarity and friendship in their appalling Spanish.
At that point, they will discover that it is an anti-illegal mob of citizens and veterans looking for gardeners, pool-boys, liberal invasion proponents, media lords, and fatcat cheap labor profiteers.

457 jfromfolsomca  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:25:30am

#441 hilchar

I don't understand, why this president? He isn't a bad guy at all. I truly believe he is a man of his convictions and stands for what he believes to be right.

That is probably a big reason why they do hate him.

j

458 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:25:32am

#441 hilchar

It all started in 2000. The Demonrats truly think the election was stolen from them. No amount of evidence will convinve them otherwise.

Add to that- 9/11 and the subsequent war on terror, and their heads started to explode. They reverted back to their true amimal instincts, showed their true colors. They started show that they are truly racist by the way they treated Condi, Michael Steele, ect...
They started showing how anti-semitic they really are, as evidenced by the stance they took against Israel (and Joe Lieberman).

But what really pisses them off the most is that they can't get Bush to appologize. They can't get under his skin, even after following the 'Nixon" playbook. Bush is like the energizer bunny, he just keeps going and going, no matter what the Lefties throw at him. And that really, really pisses them off!

459 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:26:20am

Check your mail.

460 Odinist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:27:33am

#450 BabbaZee

Sorry, poor choice of words...

BTW: I got a snarky comment the other day after another civil discussion on religion saying something about Charles not wanting us to talk about religion and abortion and such... Any truth to that?

461 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:27:57am

who? Everyone? LOL!

462 beblebrox  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:28:49am

#434 Poitiers-Lepanto

I will answer in a way in the best way I can: I am not a philosopher and cannot speculate before Quantum Time. However if you want to assign the name God the the great catalytic force which set it all in motion, well, that is as good a word as any; and one with more historical credence.

#439 BabbaZee

As a longtime lurker and sometimes poster, I have to say I deeply respect and admire your convictions.

To answer your question. I don't see complexity as evidence of authorship. For example: did you ever see frost form beautiful complex patterns on a window? One may say that the complexity of the pattern must be evidence of the fact someone painted that pattern there; but we all know that that pattern arose out of a combination of the temperature, the humidity in the air, and imperfection of the surface of the glass, and any nose prints left by the family dog. :)

Now you can argue that a higher being created all those physical laws which caused all of the above to happen, but that seems to be a bit of an absurdo ad reductum

/an aside observation: One of the disadvantages of agnosticism is there is noone to pray to when your taeam is making as many mistakes as the Steelers are at the moment.

463 Ledger1  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:31:32am

Saddam is a far better man than George W. Bush ever thought about being.”
By: shrike

You get quality of logic from just any blog. You get it from the Huffington Post!

They have shown their true affiliation (as far as I can tell).

I will say there is a very small chance that Saddam and his lawyers may have planted a few ringers in the Huffington Post (to lend support to his case). But that’s still no excuse for those vile anti-American posts.

464 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:32:13am

#460 Odinist
He does not like discussions of abortion, the movie The Passion or Terri Schiavo ~
at one time or another over the years I have seen him say so on all three subjects.

He doesnt like when people devolve any discussion into a flame war, I have seen him comment on religious flame war threads, but so long as the conversation is civil like this one I do not think he is against talking about religion per se.

How can you NOT speak about religion on a blog about the war against Islam and the preservation of Judeo-Christian based Western Civilization?

/You may not be interested in religious war but religious war is very interested in you... ;~P

465 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:32:50am

#462 beblebrox

before Quantum Time

There is no "before" time, nor "after" time. Before and after are only intelligible within time.

Eternity is not time everlasting; eternity is timelessness. Perfect Being.

466 hilchar  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:32:51am

#455 BabbaZee

How right you are. It actually frightens me to think of dems in control. Our country has been demoralized by them. Too many lines have been crossed. The forbidden lines, the ones that are never to be crossed, but once they are crossed, it becomes easier each time and eventually becomes the norm.

#457 jfromfolsomca

How unreasonable to hate him because he is a good man. Why can't they accept...never mind they are dummocrats.

467 BabbaZee  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:34:06am

#462 beblebrox
Thanks very much for the answer and the compliment.


Now I have to go make some dinner.

Great thread guys.

468 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:34:47am

#456 shiplord

Reminds me of Miami - Coral Gables area 25 years ago. No contest, the language there shortly thereafter and ever since is Espanol.

469 beblebrox  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:35:04am

#451 Pro-Bush Canuck

Actually the theory which explains why, in the most tenuous of circumstances, we are here is called the Weak Anthropic Principle.

* Weak anthropic principle (WAP): "The observed values of all physical and cosmological quantities are not equally probable but they take on values restricted by the requirement that there exist sites where carbon-based life can evolve and by the requirements that the Universe be old enough for it to have already done so."[9]
o The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines WAP as conditions that are observed in the universe must allow the observer to exist.

If any of the fundamental physical constants were sufficiently different, then life as we know it would not be possible and no one would be around to contemplate the universe we live in. Barrow and Tipler, among others, argue that the WAP explains the fundamental physical constants, such as the fine structure constant, the number of dimensions in the universe, and the cosmological constant.

* Strong anthropic principle (SAP): "The Universe must have those properties which allow life to develop within it at some stage in its history."[10] Barrow and Tipler then propose three elaborations of the SAP:[11]
o "There exists one possible Universe 'designed' with the goal of generating and sustaining 'observers.' " This can be seen as simply the classic design argument dressed in the garb of contemporary cosmology. It implies that the purpose of the universe is to give rise to intelligent life, with the laws of nature and their fundamental constants set to ensure that life as we know it will emerge and evolve. ("The Rejection of Pascal's Wager")
o "Observers are necessary to bring the Universe into being." Barrow and Tipler believe that this can be validly inferred from quantum mechanics.
o "An ensemble of other different universes is necessary for the existence of our Universe." Thus Barrow and Tipler sympathize with the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics.

* Final anthropic principle (FAP): "Intelligent information-processing must come into existence in the Universe, and, once it comes into existence, it will never die out."[12]

In his review of Barrow and Tipler in the New York Review of Books', Martin Gardner ridiculed the FAP by quoting the last two sentences of their book:

* Completely ridiculous anthropic principle (CRAP): "At the instant the Omega Point is reached, life will have gained control of all matter and forces not only in a single universe, but in all universes whose existence is logically possible; life will have spread into all spatial regions in all universes which could logically exist, and will have stored an infinite amount of information, including all bits of knowledge which it is logically possible to know. And this is the end."[13]

470 Thanos  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:36:29am

Back sort of near topic, Our press is going to make short shrift of the Sadaam verdict, but I don't think that most people realize that this is going to rock on for awhile on the "arab street". It's the first time a mideast ruler has been deposed and tried by court of law. It will echo for a long long time.

Here's an article about how they are viewing it in Iran:

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

471 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:36:37am

Much happiness to Mama Winger and her clan, although it appears that at this moment she is out buying the ingredients for the homecoming party.

Don't forget the chocolates, Mama.

472 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:36:56am

#460 Odinist

I think BZ (#464) has it right regarding the arguing thing. Here's his thoughts on it from yesterday's dead thread...

473 vxbush  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:37:47am

Rats. I tried to take a nap, and couldn't fall asleep. What is wrong with me that on a cloudy Sunday afternoon I can't sleep?

474 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:39:44am

#460 Odinist

I got a snarky comment the other day after another civil discussion on religion saying something about Charles not wanting us to talk about religion and abortion and such... Any truth to that?

It would rather odd to refuse to discuss matters on a blog which deals directly with the Islamist menace on our doorstep. The primary reason such a meance exists right now is because of the very people who have introduced the abomination of abortion, and who have militantly pushed our children away from what is Good and True and toward the cesspit of gangsta rap and pre-teen sex.

Rampant atheism will absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt destroy Western civilization utterly. The entire history of the West--and of the United States--has been premised on a deep understanding of the necessity of a FREELY CHOSEN relationship with God. We have often strayed, but never so far as today when the Wolf is at the door and the Left can only fantasize about wiping out all of humanity in order to "save the world".

475 EtNorskTroll  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:41:18am

#452 hilchar 11/5/2006 01:23PM PST

#446 BabbaZee

I guess I wasn't paying enough attention during the Reagan years. I get nauseous just listening to the media spewing vitriol and lies about our leader on a daily basis. Maybe I am just from a different generation, but we were encouraged to pray for our leaders. To be proud to be American and respect this wonderful country.

Hear, hear, Hilchar...!

I was cut from the same cloth.

Our time is passing, my friend.

~Norsk Troll

476 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:41:37am

#462 Beblebrox

I'm not trying to convince you, I see that your excellent scientific culture allows you to live the Wonder, the Mystery, the Joy and the Awe of Life and Creation.

Just think a bit about that question above, about nothing producing something, when you have time. It can lead you very far, IMHO.

And it is a serious logical question, no pies in the sky nor reborn fundamentalists there.

Have a nice day !

/your post above, about the Universe IS wonderful !

477 Thanos  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:41:37am

Mama Winger, I am so happy for you and your family.

478 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:42:16am

Miami 31, Chicago 13
Washington 22, Dallas 19
NYG 14, Houston 10

Granted, the Giants struggled mightily with what's a pretty good-looking young Texans team and Strahan was injured, but the news is pretty good on this end. A two-game lead at the halfway mark with the Bears coming to town next week.

479 Hucbald  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:43:10am

Anti-Americanism= "Hey everybody, let's be really stupid and advocate killing the goose that laid the golden egg!"

Where would the iz-lame-o-tards be without cell phones and jetliners?

They'd be fucking goats, boys, and cantaloupes, as per usual for them.

I am a proud enemy of islam. I got yer fatwa right here Mu-slime goat-pumpers; right in between by Bowflex-pumped thighs.

480 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:44:53am

#479 Hucbald

cantaloupes?

LOL

481 Odinist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:44:56am

#467 BZ & #472 ctp

Thank you for clearing that up!

BabbaZee-

/You may not be interested in religious war but religious war is very interested in you...

I hear you loud and clear... as a Heathen, the Islamists wouldn't hesitate to cut off my head if they were in control...

482 beblebrox  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:45:52am

#474 Pro-Bush Canuck

Let me make two last observations/points,

My Father in Law is a Russian Orthodox priest who spent most of his life trying to get out of the USSR due to his religious convictions, so when I say I respect Judeo-Christian Values, I REALLY mean it.

I'm facinated by you description of man's imperfection as a separation from God, as it is very close to the Orthodox belief that Man is currently incomplete or not fully human, due to his lack of unity with God.

Or at least that is how I understand it.

483 hilchar  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:46:21am

#475 EtNorskTroll

Our time is passing, my friend.

I am so afraid that you are right. What will become of us if the dems take over? I give it a year or less before we are in deep s**t with the Islamic facists.

484 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:47:59am

#469 beblebrox

This kind of masturbatory exercise in skirting the issue is generated by people who have decided a priori that they are atheists. This is meaningless bunk and I'm surprised you would give it any time. These ruminations in no way account for the phenomenon of Being. They simply kick the problem down the road by saying, in essence, "that's the way it is, so there must be something in the composition of the universe that requires it to be this way". This is trivial and makes "sense" only to an atheist. It is like two congenitally deaf men arguing about whether Mozart is meaningless and unnecessary, or meaningless and required in order to keep inflation at bay.

The whole point is that they are deaf and cannot perceive music! It is they who have the problem, not Music.

485 beblebrox  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:48:24am

#476 Poitiers-Lepanto

I don't mean this in a snarky way at all, but my greatest instrument of awe, if you will, is a 16 inch Newtonian telescope, that I see see then Wonder of What Is all that more.

486 beblebrox  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:49:24am

#484 Pro-Bush Canuck

I would agree that it is, at best, circular.

487 Ackomanyuki  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:49:27am

#371 cbinflux

Oxfam said the U.S. coffee shop, famous around the world for the coffee culture it ignited from its base in Washington state, prevented Ethiopia from securing trademark protection for two of its best-known beans -- Sidamo and Harar.

Buy Gevalia. I just had two punds of hand selcted reserve Harar beans delivered to my door for $28.75. Drinking a cuppa' as I type

Eff Fourbucks and the Trendoid Whores of Gramsci who sup there.

488 vxbush  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:49:29am

hilchar

If the Dems do end up in power, expect the news to *instantly* turn around regarding the sound economy--but with all the credit going to the Democratically controlled parts of government.

If the Reps keep control, I would expect the news to get even darker and more dismal about Iraq and about Saddam's conviction.

489 hilchar  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:52:55am

Does anybody here ever read Wake Up America. This blog has all the good news that occurs every day in Iraq. But, no one ever hears these stories, even Fox doesn't tell the good stuff. Isn't there some way that we in blog land can get the good news out?

490 Airedale  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:53:18am

Has this been mentioned?
Are French unions backing the jihad?


Paris airport faces strike threat
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

491 Yankee Yankee Zulu  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:54:09am

#458 Desertsage:

Excellent points.

In 2000, the Democrats thought that the Clinton torch would be passed to its heir, Al Gore. Clinton was insanely popular, and they wanted to keep him in power.

Then, the 2000 elections happened. They thought that Al Gore had the elections free and clear until Florida was made a tossup. "But...but...Al Gore won the POPULAR vote! He won the election!" Unfortunately, presidential elections are determined by the Electoral College, not by direct elections, so Bush won Florida by 534 votes, after Gore decided that no amount of recounts could change that slim margin.

Very close? Yes. I would even surmise that Al Gore's calls for recounts every which way but loose would have still made the margin very small.

Rather than concede to a new leader to replace the popular Clinton (who himself had been subject to an impeachment in 1998 for lying to a grand jury for his sexual pecadilloes), the left had a massive temper tantrum. I can bet you 99% of those HuffPo posters printing that slime up there are the same 99% who elevated Clinton to a god (or at least an infalliable king), and the same 99% are deathly afraid of hard-line rule like Hussein's. It's better to praise a dictator in fear than be killed by him in courage.

And there are likely many Kurds and Kuwaitis dancing in the streets for this verdict - a lot more than the HuffPo and the other lefty blogs could generate in a lifetime!

492 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:54:40am
493 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:54:51am

#482 beblebrox

I'm facinated by you description of man's imperfection as a separation from God, as it is very close to the Orthodox belief that Man is currently incomplete or not fully human, due to his lack of unity with God.

This is a common thread in virtually all spiritual traditions, from the Upanishads through Judaism, Buddhism and Christianity. The formulation is different, the principle the same.

God is simply the Source of all that Is. The reason we encounter the "problem of evil" (e.g., how could a loving God allow my kitty to be hit by that milk truck?) is due to this separation. Evil is simply the absence of God, it is not God's handiwork. To the extent that Leftists like Richard Dawkins advance nihilistic philosophies they increase the gap between man and God. When the 20th century Left really pushed hard to widen this gap in Russia, China and Cambodia the result was Deep Evil. Deep Void. As far from God as we have traveled as a species.

You seem like a genuinely curious and open person. I was exactly like you at one point. Keep an open mind. Spiritual knowledge takes you far beyond materialism without contradicting science in any way. Science reveals the beauty of the material world, but has nothing to say directly of God's immanence within it.

494 Hucbald  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:56:04am

#480 Desert Sage

The quotation translated from Turkish is:

"A woman for duty, a boy for pleasure, and a melon for ecstacy."

Great culture, no?

Women are meat, boys are toys, and oragnics bring the best orgasms.

Islam and hypocrisy are one.

Kill them all. Every last one of them.

/hyperbole

495 sandbox  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:56:24am

490 Airdale,
Will be inresting to see if the French carry thru with the dismissals.

496 bubbasbbq  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:57:16am

If this doesn't give every non-moonbat in the country to get up and vote I don't know what would. These people are dangerous, they are not to be trusted with our foreign policy. Everything they have ever done has ended up in abject failure.

497 bcgirl  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:00:54pm

hey momma winger... great news about your returning HERO... have a wonderful reunion,,,and give him Big hug and Thank you for me...

498 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:01:46pm

#487 Ack_

We and the in-laws just got our regular shipment... anyone need a coffee pot?

499 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:01:52pm
#441 hilchar 11/5/2006 01:13PM PST

Could someone explain to me where and how all of this Bush hatred started?

I know that dems have always disliked Republicans but this is beyond the partisan dislike I have experienced before.

Dan Rather would give up a lifeling career, dems disgrace our country world wide by airing their hatred for all to see.

I don't understand, why this president? He isn't a bad guy at all. I truly believe he is a man of his convictions and stands for what he believes to be right.

I have to agree with you Hilchar. In all my days - and I remember Eisenhower's election - I have never seen such outright sheer hatred of any American president. I think you hit the nail right on the head though, with that last sentence.

President Bush has convictions and isn't afraid to either express them or stand up for them. If you look at those pols that lead the pack of ravening wolves nipping at his heels, you will discover in pretty short order that their convictions are at best ephemeral, often for sale to the highest bidder or magically morphing with the mood of the "street" at any given point in time.

Bush has something that people like Kennedy & Kerry have never had and never will - moral certainty.

500 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:03:00pm
#498 cbinflux 11/5/2006 02:01PM PST

#487 Ack_

We and the in-laws just got our regular shipment... anyone need a coffee pot?

Yup, have had to take to boiling the H2O in a pot and pouring it through the basket :)

501 hilchar  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:07:07pm

#499 galloping granny

Perhaps you just explained part of the problem. They envy those good qualities that President Bush has and despise him for their own lack of character.

502 Luigi  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:07:24pm

I just had the bizarre experience of watching Fox's presentation of excepts from the excellent film Obsession. Why bizarre? Because right after the 4:30 news break as the presentation started rolling, Fox was scrolling it's news banner at the bottom of the tv frame. At the same time Obsession was documenting radical Islam's demented, implacable hatred to Jews, Fox's news banner was running some typical MSM type story about Israel's Gaza incursion that was laced with moral equivalences and naive suggestions that Israel should cease its warlike aggressions and give peace a chance.

But see Fox's Obsession presentation if you can. Everyone should.

503 Catttt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:07:36pm

#371 cbinflux

Mr. Coffee is in my list of the top five inventions of the last 50 years. I love coffee.

I never go to Starbucks, but I buy their coffee at the grocery store.

Looks like I'll have to look into alternatives immediately.

504 mattm  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:08:29pm

Figures. They have never found a dictator they didn't secretly like.

505 Cartman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:09:26pm

#492 DesertSage

Good campaign news

Man, I hope those "sitting on the fence" make the right decision on Tuesday. It's obvious the outcome depends on that.

506 cbinflux  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:11:30pm

Found Charles... going in and dragging his ass out again.

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507 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:12:19pm
#493 Pro-Bush Canuck 11/5/2006 01:54PM PST

#482 beblebrox

I'm facinated by you description of man's imperfection as a separation from God, as it is very close to the Orthodox belief that Man is currently incomplete or not fully human, due to his lack of unity with God.

This is a common thread in virtually all spiritual traditions, from the Upanishads through Judaism, Buddhism and Christianity. The formulation is different, the principle the same.

A few minutes ago I happened to pick up one of the girls' Philosopy textbooks. The back cover has a cartoon illustration that made no sense to me, so for some reason I flipped open the book and landed on a page that said "How can God be the all powerful since evil (tornadoes, volcanos) exist?" - and went on in that same vein in an attempt to deny that G_d exists because evil exists.

The authors do not seem to be aware that throughout all of creation opposites exist - biology, physics, ...

508 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:12:22pm

A useful principle for comprehending the relationship between God and religion (they are not the same thing!) is this:

Truth = Beauty
God = Truth
God = Beauty

That which is intrinsically ugly, like a suicide bombing, cannot possibly flow from God. That is not to say that Islam is incapable of apprehending God. I do not believe that. I believe there are some Muslims who have a vision of God as Truth, God as Love. Ugliness can flow from people who call themselves Christians, Buddhists, Jews or Hindus as well. This ugliness (e.g., child molestation) is a result of human action, and these actions are freely chosen.

The truly spiritual life involves mere glimpses of the Divine. Some people--mystics, saints, yogis and the like--have mastered the spiritual plane more so than the rest of us, however that in no way makes any of us unable or unworthy of knowing God.

The fact that Truth and Beauty are so closely related explains the phenomenon whereby great art can occasionally produce in us a spiritual experience. Personally I find it impossible to listen to An die Freude without experiencing a direct frisson of God's presence. But that's just me. You might get it from attending church, or climbing mountains, or listening to John Coltrane. It's all good.

Seek Beauty and Truth (God) will follow.

509 Thanos  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:12:36pm

ROP alert:

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

510 Hucbald  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:13:19pm

#500 granny

*laughing*

My beloved coffee maker - the one with the timer I used as an alarm clock (No better way to awake than to the smell of coffee brewing) - died earlier this year. This lead to much swearing on my part. I could never find a suitable replacement, so I had to change my routine.

It sucked, but I found a Bunn machine that brews coffee in only three minutes: Put it on, take a leak, and sip it up (Yeah, too much information). LOL!

511 Cartman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:16:27pm

Hucbald

I found a Bunn machine that brews coffee in only three minutes

I've got one, as well. The best damn coffee maker ever manufactured. Kind of a consumer version of the ones you see in restaurants. Awesome.

512 Da_Beerfreak  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:16:34pm
#451 Pro-Bush Canuck 11/5/2006 01:21PM PST
#406 Beblebrox

The bottom line is that in order to make sense of the world one must apply Occam's Razor. The only truly sensible explanation for the fact that we are, that we exist at all is to accept what we commonly call God as the Fount, the Source and the Destiny of all that is, ever was and will be.

We exist in a fallen state, in a state of separation from God. As we move through our brief lives we can arrest this Fall from Grace and move back toward the Source of Being.

Purely materialistic explanations are woefully inadequate at the most basic level. Even the laws of nature themselves contradict the belief that random chance assembled the world. The primordial physical constants which hold this world together are tuned to within one part in a trillion trillion trillion in order to produce the conditions that allow for the formation of stars, planets, gravity, water--life. The chance that these constants were set by accident is so astronomically remote that it would constitute a form of insanity to make such an argument. The ONLY way out of this for the materialist is to postulate multiple--in fact an infinity of--universes. We just happen to be in the "right" one. The problem with this for the atheist, as I mentioned on a previous thread, is that given an infinite number of permutations of verses, at least one will evolve featuring a Supreme Intelligence indistinguishable from God, and worse, a place for unbelievers indistinguishable from Hell. Such a multiverse is absolutely incomprehensible to us, of course. Better to keep it simple, stupid, and see the obvious: Truth Is, Beauty Is, Being Is. Absolutely. For ever. And it is all given to you, free of charge.

Stating your belief in the truth of a myth is not proof that the myth is true.

513 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:19:17pm

I don't know if any of you have had time to notice this story beginning to perk in the UK but have a look -

Doctors: let us kill disabled babies

514 Mike C.  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:19:38pm

Coffee makers and religion. The thread has obviously been up top too long.

515 jwpaine  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:20:24pm

#503 Cattt

You love coffee? Then get a french press.

Takes 5 minutes to boil water, and 4 minutes to steep grounds.

You'll never go back.

Incidentally, it's my guess it's called a french press for the same reason they're called french fries--no rational reason.

516 Thanos  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:20:31pm

November Surprise, this designed against Phil Kline in Kansas:

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

An abortion doctor plans to ask for an investigation of the state attorney general and Bill O'Reilly over comments by the Fox television host that he got information from Kansas abortion records, the doctor's attorneys said Saturday.
Dr. George Tiller said he will ask the Kansas Supreme Court on Monday to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate and take possession of the records of 90 patients from two clinics.
Attorney General Phill Kline obtained the records recently after a two-year battle that prompted privacy concerns. He has said he sought the records to review them for evidence of possible crimes including rape and illegal abortions.
During a Friday night broadcast of "The O'Reilly Factor," the conservative host said a "source inside" told the show that Tiller performs late-term abortions when a patient is depressed, which O'Reilly deemed "executing babies."
O'Reilly also said his show has evidence that Tiller's clinic and another unnamed clinic have broken Kansas law by failing to report potential rapes with victims ages 10 to 15.
A spokeswoman for Kline, who received redacted copies of the records Oct. 24, said Saturday he doesn't know how O'Reilly obtained the information.

Might be interesting to watch O'Reilly the next couple of nights.

517 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:21:28pm

The Muslims said that they invented the coffee maker...just like they say that they invented everything else.

518 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:22:42pm

Didn't they invent the zero?

519 Ackomanyuki  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:22:59pm

#500 galloping granny

I got one of these two years ago right before I subscribed to Gevalia. It does everything except clean itself each night. I was buying a new Mr. Coffee every couple of years. The Capresso seems to be holding up so far.

520 Cartman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:23:11pm

#508 Pro-Bush Canuck

Ugliness can flow from people who call themselves Christians, Buddhists, Jews or Hindus as well.

And it should be reinforced that much of it originates from those who believe in nothing at all.

521 EC Marm  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:23:37pm

Aarrgg! I'm (IM) chatting with a moonbat. Making comparisons to GWB and the Reichstag fire.

522 Airedale  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:24:37pm

#518 MandyManners 11/5/2006 02:22PM PST
Didn't they invent the zero?

yep
And that got them zilch

523 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:24:48pm
#510 Hucbald 11/5/2006 02:13PM PST

#500 granny

*laughing*

My beloved coffee maker - the one with the timer I used as an alarm clock (No better way to awake than to the smell of coffee brewing) - died earlier this year. This lead to much swearing on my part. I could never find a suitable replacement, so I had to change my routine.

It sucked, but I found a Bunn machine that brews coffee in only three minutes: Put it on, take a leak, and sip it up (Yeah, too much information). LOL!

One of my sisters gave me a Brew Station several years back as a "thank you" for bailing her out on April 15 and getting her finished taxes to the Post Office before midnight. I adore the thing, not least because you can siphon off the coffee as soon as enough has been brewed to fill a cup. 12 cups doesn't take much more than 3 minutes in the Brew Station either. I think the heating element is finally starting to go though - the pot will keep the coffee hot but actually makes coffee this last week only when it feels like it :(

My favorite coffee "accessory" though is a super little grinder one of the girls gave me last year. Metal base that you can remove and put in the dishwasher, cord rolls up into the base, you can choose your grind just like the fancy grinder at the store and it is hands free.

524 DesertSage  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:25:21pm

Mandy, I think that was the Japanese

525 sandbox  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:25:39pm

Re Sadaam, now that he has been found guilty and mid-term elections will be over in days, Debka is predicting US will pull troops out of Iraqi cities and divide country in 3. Interesting.

[Link: www.debka.com...]

526 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:26:09pm
#521 EC Marm 11/5/2006 02:23PM PST

Aarrgg! I'm (IM) chatting with a moonbat. Making comparisons to GWB and the Reichstag fire.

Perhaps you should recommend an anti-psychotic.

527 Cartman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:27:54pm

#514 Mike C

The thread has obviously been up top too long.

Not much we can do about that, is there? ;)

528 Airedale  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:28:26pm

#525 sandbox
gotta watch out for articles posted at debka
they also said that in October, a dirty bomb was going to be detonated in the US.

Sorry I can't find the link but I'm sure its in their archives.

529 EC Marm  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:29:02pm

#526 GG

Perhaps you should recommend an anti-psychotic.


Hit 'em with this link. (College student) It's been silent for a few minutes...
[Link: www.citizensunited.org...]

530 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:31:51pm

Funniest thing I've read today:

"..Alas, the outbreak is more widespread; it seems that it's easier to find moderate Muslims than it is to find Democrats who don't bark at the moon.."

"..While real Americans are getting ready to sing, 'Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead,' the Left wants someone to drop a house on Dorothy..."

531 Hucbald  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:31:59pm

Ah... Discontent... I've seen it before around the 600 post point.

CHARLES! New Thread! ;^)

532 vxbush  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:32:20pm

But I just can't get into coffee. I never have. I hate the taste. It's abominable.

Now, if I could get fresh brewed hot chocolate freshly ground...

/future business idea

533 Mike C.  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:33:22pm

# 527 Cartman

Nope.

534 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:33:28pm
General Ramsey Clark, was ejected from the courtroom after handing the judge a memorandum in which he called the trial a travesty.

Chief Judge Raouf Abdul-Rahman pointed to Clark and said in English, “Get out.”


Now for the Democrats...

535 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:35:54pm
536 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:37:35pm
#532 vxbush 11/5/2006 02:32PM PST

But I just can't get into coffee. I never have. I hate the taste. It's abominable.

Now, if I could get fresh brewed hot chocolate freshly ground...

/future business idea

I'm much like that, actually. Never could stand coffee growing up. Then I went to Europe to live and my German landlady served coffee & pastry every afternoon much like the idea of an English high tea. She always expected my presence. So, the first time I go for coffee there is no sugar, she looks around realizes there are Americans and carefully drags out a sugar bowl, handling it like it was made of gold.

So, the sugar bowl makes the rounds, passing from hand to hand with no one so much as lifting the lid. I was raised "when in Rome" so I passed on the sugar. Now THAT is coffee - and I still can't stand it with so much as one grain of sugar.

If you get 8 O'Clock red bag and then Espresso grind it on 3 (the finest setting) it has a very "chocolate" flavor.

537 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:38:33pm

#512 Da_Beerfreak

Stating your belief in the truth of a myth is not proof that the myth is true.

Exactly. So why do atheists cling to the absurd myth that matter can give rise to consciousness, or that the life could arise spontaneously in 13 billion years? This is patently impossible and any reputable nuclear physicist will tell you that the time required for such an event to occur by chance would be many orders of magnitude greater than there are subatomic particles in the universe.

Atheism is a bankrupt creed shared by a dwindling number of post-modernists who, since they are almost universally leftists, fail to reproduce and hence are doomed.

538 Da_Beerfreak  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:38:40pm
#518 MandyManners 11/5/2006 02:22PM PST
Didn't they invent the zero?

It was stolen from the Indians.

539 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:40:45pm

#524 DesertSage

Cute.

540 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:40:58pm

#513 galloping granny

The annihilation of Europe by the Left continues apace. If Hell didn't exist we would have to invent it for the Left.

541 EC Marm  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:41:02pm

Another reason to BOOT France out of NATO:

Plans to boost Nato's co- operation with countries such as Australia and Japan in an effort to forge a partnership against terrorism have been blocked by France.

The moves were to have been at the centre of a summit of the alliance's leaders to be held in Riga this month. Nato officials now accept that only a loosely worded pledge to increase contacts with partners in Asia and Australasia will be included in the communiqué, which will be agreed by President George Bush and other leaders in the Latvian capital.

The French opposition comes as a blow to the US, which spearheaded the proposal and which would like to see regular Nato "forums" with countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea. But while the idea won support from traditional allies of Washington such as the UK, France has made it clear that it opposes a move it sees as part of a campaign to extend US influence...


Source

542 Catttt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:41:45pm

I've had a Mr. Coffee Thermal Gourmet - eight cup capacity - for four or five years. I love it. It keeps the coffee hot in the thermal carafe and shuts itself off.

Before, I had a fancy shmantsy espresso maker, but it broke. I kind of miss the espresso, but the machine was a pain in the butt.

Worst invention of the last 50 years - self-cleaning litter box.

543 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:42:56pm

#541 EC Marm

Another reason to BOOT France out of NATO

France is not a member of NATO.

544 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:43:23pm

#541 EC Marm

Screw France. Let's create another organization including everybody but France, and let the French have it out with their rioters without a NATO or any other safety net...

545 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:44:56pm

#543 Pro-Bush Canuck

Yes, France is...

546 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:45:49pm
#542 Cattt 11/5/2006 02:41PM PST

Worst invention of the last 50 years - self-cleaning litter box.

Interesting...why do you say the self-cleaning litter box is the worst invention of the century. With 3 cats in the house that is the very top of the daughter's Christmas list.

547 Mike C.  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:45:53pm

# 537 P-B C

Hogwash. And I have two daughters and (so far) one grandson, thank you very much.

548 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:47:28pm
#540 Pro-Bush Canuck 11/5/2006 02:40PM PST

#513 galloping granny

The annihilation of Europe by the Left continues apace. If Hell didn't exist we would have to invent it for the Left.

Seems to me that if hell didn't exist they would invent it themselves, then probably march in willingly. We wouldn't have to lift a finger.

549 vxbush  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:47:47pm

galloping granny

But even the *smell* of coffee sets me off. It's almost as bad as cigarette smoke to me.

Blech.

It's odd, because I used to help my grandmother make her coffee and I'd put the creamer in so I could watch the swirls of color as the creamer mixed with the coffee.

550 Catttt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:48:04pm

Good news - my landline phone battery died. Take that, you desperate Dems (they called me about 10 times today, before my phone died). I plugged the battery in to recharge, but I turned off the ringer.

551 Catttt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:49:03pm

549 vxbush

Lights a Camel, sips black coffee, and thinks "hmmm."

552 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:49:41pm

Is that a puddle of pee I see?

553 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:50:20pm
#547 Mike C. 11/5/2006 02:45PM PST

# 537 P-B C

Hogwash. And I have two daughters and (so far) one grandson, thank you very much.

It seems to me that attacking each other on the basis of what each of us thinks the other does or does not believe is really counterproductive and can only serve to divide us at a critical juncture in time.

All "atheists" do not believe the same things any more than all "Christians" do.

554 vxbush  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:50:36pm

551 Cattt

:-)

555 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:52:06pm

Incredible story from the UK

A generation of appeasing Muslims at the expense (literally) of Christians and Jews has come to this:

Christians ask if force is needed to protect their religious values

A leading church group which represents more than a million Christians has raised the prospect of civil unrest and even "violent revolution" to protect religious freedoms.
In a startling warning to the Government, senior church and political figures have backed a report advocating force to protest against policies that are "unbiblical" and "inimical to the Christian faith".

Tyranny makes odd bedfellows and the alliance of Muslims and British secularists has become a powerful force for evil and oppression.

As I have said before, though, the Crusader's mailed fist can still emerge from the velvet glove of multiculturalism. The Islamo-fascists and their allies cannot even imagine the consequences if they drive events to such an outcome.

Incidentally, there are plenty of people in the UK who can make weapons and ammunition from scratch if they are so minded and millions in America who would provide whatever aid they can. It is unwise for anyone, especially including Muslims and their sycophants, to dismiss this possibility just because it hasn't yet happened.

556 Odinist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:52:08pm

#'s 513, 540. 548

Hell? Does that stem from the Heathen goddess Hel?

[Link: www.pantheon.org...]

/interesting to see which came first...

557 RepJ  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:52:10pm

By moonbat reasoning, we should have hung FDR after WWII. 62 million dead. Hurumph.

558 eff  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:52:14pm

I think we should let Sadam go and put him back in charge of Iraq.

559 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:52:47pm

#550 Cattt

I got a call from Rush Limbaugh today. Okay, it was a recording, but still...

560 Beagle  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:53:16pm

Hot and heavy neoPlatonic action!

561 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:54:28pm
#549 vxbush 11/5/2006 02:47PM PST

galloping granny

But even the *smell* of coffee sets me off. It's almost as bad as cigarette smoke to me.

Blech.

It's odd, because I used to help my grandmother make her coffee and I'd put the creamer in so I could watch the swirls of color as the creamer mixed with the coffee.

How sad. I'm the same way about the sugar in it. My dad loves sugar in his and always pours two cups, adds sugar to his, pours the cream in the two cups, then stirs them up - using the same spoon in my sugarless that he just used in his sugared version. It changes the smell in a big way and worse, it makes me almost instantly nauseous.

I've observed over the years that often when people have an aversion to something like this they are usually "allergic" to whatever it is - or become so. Always listen to what your body tells you.

562 Trumanite  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:55:08pm

#503 Cattt 11/5/2006 02:07PM PST
#371 cbinflux

Mr. Coffee is in my list of the top five inventions of the last 50 years. I love coffee.

I never go to Starbucks, but I buy their coffee at the grocery store.

Looks like I'll have to look into alternatives immediately.

May I recommend that you not switch to Caribou Coffee products

563 joan  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:55:11pm

#441 hilchar 11/5/2006
Could someone explain to me where and how all of this Bush hatred started?
#499 galloping granny 11/5/2006 ...President Bush has convictions and isn't afraid to either express them or stand up for them...[Bush has] - moral certainty."

1) I remember the demonization of Nixon, people publically hated Nixon, villified him, they were obscene, obsessed, violent in their bitter hatred.
2) Three phenomena seem to be at work in this demented, implacable Bush hatred:

first: as galloping granny said, they hate moral certainty
second: everything must fit the Procrustean Bed of their own self-image. They are defending their own insatiable appetite for self glamourization. "we're the good ones, we are! we're the smart ones, we are! we're the compassionate ones, the enlightened ones and we're the altruists, the idealists, the righteous ones! Not Them, not Bush.
finally: projection.

They must relentlessly diminish, tarnish and denigrate every positive attribute, every noble motive, and exaggerate every fault and misstep in order to maintain their core belief, their egoistic narrative. They are legends in their own minds. Ann Coulter got it right: this is their religious system, not just their politics.

564 vxbush  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:56:20pm

galloping granny

If I listened to my body that closely, I would never stop eating chocolate. :D

565 EC Marm  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:57:17pm

#545 christheprofessor
Thanks, I got into this the other day with someone else. France must have quit NATO at some time (The French, quitting(?), does that seem possible) in the past, which is why some folks think they're still gone. But they're back and IMHO should be given the boot. It's bad enough they have their own nukes.

566 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 12:59:01pm
#565 EC Marm 11/5/2006 02:57PM PST

#545 christheprofessor
Thanks, I got into this the other day with someone else. France must have quit NATO at some time (The French, quitting(?), does that seem possible) in the past, which is why some folks think they're still gone. But they're back and IMHO should be given the boot. It's bad enough they have their own nukes.

They quit NATO for quite some time as I recall after DeGaulle was voted in and they went communist...yes, France was "communist" for a bit.

567 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:00:41pm
#562 Trumanite 11/5/2006 02:55PM PST

#503 Cattt 11/5/2006 02:07PM PST
#371 cbinflux

Mr. Coffee is in my list of the top five inventions of the last 50 years. I love coffee.

I never go to Starbucks, but I buy their coffee at the grocery store.

Looks like I'll have to look into alternatives immediately.

May I recommend that you not switch to Caribou Coffee products

Check out the Free Trade organics - those are scrumptious.

568 Catttt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:00:54pm

Einstein and God
By Thomas Torrance

Good piece, with footnotes!

569 christheprofessor  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:02:06pm

#565 EC Marm

From Wikipedia entry on NATO:

Early Cold War - crisis with FranceThe unity of NATO was breached early on in its history, with a crisis occurring during Charles de Gaulle's presidency of France from 1958 onwards. De Gaulle protested the United States' hegemonical role in the organization and protested what he perceived as a special relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom. In a memorandum he sent on 17 September 1958 to President Eisenhower and Prime Minister Harold Macmillan, he argued for the creation of a tripartite Directorate that would put France on an equal footing with the United States and the United Kingdom, and also for the expansion of NATO's coverage to include geographical areas of interest to France.

Considering the response he was given unsatisfactory, de Gaulle started pursuing an independent defense for his country. France's Mediterranean fleet was withdrawn from NATO command on March 11, 1959. An independent nuclear programme was also pursued: In June 1959, de Gaulle banned the stationing of foreign nuclear weapons on French soil, which caused the United States to transfer 200 military aeroplanes out of France; on February 13 1960 France tested its first nuclear bomb.

Though France showed solidarity with the rest of NATO during the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, de Gaulle continued his pursuit of an independent defense by also removing the Atlantic and Channel fleets of France from NATO command. In 1966 all French armed forces were removed from NATO’s integrated military command and all non-French NATO troops were asked to leave France. This precipitated the relocation of the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) from Paris to Brussels in Belgium by October 16, 1967. In Belgium, NATO is also based in Casteau in South Brussels. France rejoined NATO's military command in 1993.

570 vxbush  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:02:13pm

555 Shiplord Kirel

Send that to Charles, if you haven't already. This is a very important question for those in the evangelical group: What is the proper response to the limitation of freedoms and the preferential treatment of Islam in these societies and against Christianity?

I have friends who each have a different opinion. I am undecided.

571 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:03:22pm
#558 eff 11/5/2006 02:52PM PST
I think we should let Sadam go and put him back in charge of Iraq.

Why?

572 Fredlike  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:05:42pm

Its tough to be a Redskins fan and an atheist today. Great finish to the game, I thought poor Coach Gibbs was going to have a heart attack.

573 Cartman  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:05:48pm

#550 Cattt

Take that, you desperate Dems (they called me about 10 times today, before my phone died).

Me too. And it's been really bizarre here in my neighborhood, the past few days. I was out working in the yard today, and at least four Donk Jerry Garcia-lookin' creeps were bangin' on doors. I told one of them who approached me that he was wasting his time. Gotta give them (very little) credit, though. They're blitzing here at the end. They might have chosen their canvassers a little more carefully, tho. I think folks around here were calling our local animal control. ;-D

574 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:05:54pm

# 570 vxbush

Consider it done. This could be very significant indeed.
I was frankly startled by the tone of this report from one of the largest Christian groups in the UK.
It is also quite a surprise to those who imagine that the multicult shamans of the CoE were all that is left of Christianity in Britain.

575 godfrey  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:05:59pm

World reaction round-up, supposedly. Let's review the illustrious crew. Those who think the death sentence is wrong wrong wrong:

- an EU source, unnamed
- a Vatican guy, but not Bertone (who counts)
- some anti-capital punishment outfit in Italy
- "a respected Muslim cleric in Thailand"
- Zapatero, socialist idiot
- the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (LOL!)
- some anti- Paki/US Pakistani guy
- some Arab "Liberation" Front spokesnut
- Amnesty International, predictably
- a Malaysian from some international "movement for a just world"
- some intelligence committee guy from the Russian lower house

On the pro side:

- British Foreign Secretary
- someone from a London foreign policy think tank
- Tony Snow, of course characterized as having "a touch of contempt" in his voice

I am stupider for having read and synopsized that article.

576 EC Marm  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:06:32pm

About coffee:
The best IMHO - from Ethiopia, gives you a case of the gitters that can only be removed by the oral ingestion of large doses of ethyl alcohol. Best on Sunday mornings during feetball season.

Jamaican "Blue Mountain" - best in the Blue Mountains of Jamaica. Does not seem to travel well.

577 grandma  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:06:40pm

#20, egfrow, (I’m sort of late to this thread, but anyhow...)

I’ve been watching the cable news TV channels and C-Span for years now and my observant eyes show me many things that the talking heads never mention.

a) All the people assembling in the streets of any muslim territory (Iraq, Iran, Palestinian territories, Afghanistan, Pakistan) protesting/celebrating/rioting are 90% men and boys. So I assume that the girls and women don’t much really give a damn about what goes on in their islamic nations. What’s that, you say? That the reason is because women rank lower on the muslim social ladder than goats and camels and aren’t allowed to come out of the house and we’re supposed to accept/understand that “culture”. Oh, okay.

b) b) The military newspapers this weekend had some op-eds calling for Rummy to resign. Apparently this comes from the Pentagon generals (“Empire Builders” in the Pentagon with stars on their shoulders who are frosted that their bureaucratic empires might be threatened). One of the op-eds mentioned Gen. Abizaid’s comments to the congressional committee back in Sept. I just happened to be watching that session on C-Span that day. The op-ed didn’t tell it all. When Gen. Abizaid was asked about Mookie al-Sadr, the look on his face was priceless. All he said in response was that the new Iraqi govt. had the sole authority to deal with al-Sadr, and he didn’t look pleased at all. How come all these empire building generals in the Pentagon aren’t calling for al-Sadr to “go”? Could it be that Rummy has upset their little empires and they’re twisted and Rummy is a better target than al-Sadr?

c) Mookie al-Sadr is a Nasrallah wanna-be. He needs to be smacked upside his head with a Bible and his pudgy belly flattened.

Just my $.02.

578 NavyBrat  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:08:29pm

Yes, my first post. Thank-you.

Those comments @ Huffpoo are depressing.

579 Bard  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:09:37pm

#553 Granny

Thank you. United we stand.

580 godfrey  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:11:20pm

Registration's open, lizards.

Welcome, navybrat.

581 splendid confusion  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:14:18pm

I'm waiting to see what the South Park guys are going to do with the Saddam verdict. Also, will they use Borat in any way? The convergence, with Satan thrown in, would be hysterical.

582 leftout  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:17:07pm

#263 pro Bush Canuck

I make a distinction between people who are simply not interested in spiritual matters, or who are for some reason unable to apprehend anything beyond the here and now (many of my friends are in this category--I do not dislike or disrespect them, although I do pity them) on the one hand, and another sort of militant atheist who actively seeks to defy and defame God by spreading chaos and nihilism before him. These parasites are vile, evil beings who will get no respect from me, ever.


Gagdad Bob over at One Cosmos had a very interesting essay about the distinction between atheists who, it seems, fall generally into two categories as you suggested above.

Monday, October 30, 2006
The Flat Cosmos Society and their Junk Metaphysics

583 NavyBrat  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:21:25pm

#580

Thank you kindly, godfrey.

Very pleased to be here, and to catch the open registration period.

Love what you guys/gals do.

584 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:26:14pm

#547 Mike C.

Hogwash.

Well I guess that settles it then.

:-)

585 Daisy  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:28:27pm

Whores of the Caliphate.

586 Daisy  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:34:22pm

# 381 mama winger ...

Happy Days are (almost) here again! Breathe, 1-2-3 breathe 1-2-3 :)

587 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 1:46:32pm

#582 leftout

Gagdad Bob is a great resource for smart people who would like to learn more about spirituality. For too long people have assumed the "debate" is between "smart" atheists and "ignorant" religious people.

Gagdad Bob is quite a bit smarter than the smartest atheist I've ever heard from. He simply demolishes their position, while showing the way for those who are genuinely curious about God.

588 Odinist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 2:07:36pm

#587 P-B C

OK, I get it, you are Christian and believe all of of Astheists, Pagans, Heathens, et al, are going to 'hell' for not believing in 'The Word', but please, most of the people who comment here are on the same side politically... so let's just agree to disagree and move on...

/belief is a personal matter...

589 Render  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 2:12:26pm

uh-hmm

Marlboro 100's and Classic Coke are my rocket fuel.

===

Why can't we charge these bastards with treason? Their lack of patriotism is well beyond any question. Their threats to the Commander-in-Chief are not veiled and cannot be misconstrued for anything but what they are, death threats.

One would have to be suicidally stupid to assume that these cretins are above working directly with the enemy in order to obtain their goals.

I know whose troops they support, and they are not the same troops that are protecting me and my family. What they are supporting aren't even "troops." They are terrorists.

And if you support the enemy, you are the enemy. If you support terrorists, you are a terrorist.

GET OFF
MY PLANET,
R

590 Asher Abrams  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 2:51:01pm

Why it matters:

The Iraqi Holocaust.

591 Grammie  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 3:09:37pm

I used the link to HufPo, registered and posted this:

" I have heard that HufPo speaks 'Truth to Power'.

That would be a glorius example of courage for us all if:

1. Ms Huffington had stood in the streets of Budapest speaking 'Truth to Power' to the Soviet tanks rumbling through the streets to brutally enforce their puppet regime.

2. That would be 'Truth to Power' if she or any of you had spoken 'Truth to Power' anywhere in this world that has a truly repressive murderous regime. Like Iran or North Korea. Try speaking 'Truth to Power' to Al Sadr in Sadr City.

Were you all born full grown in the year 2000 and have no sense of history. You guys are only doing what every one of us in our great country does daily with impunity. Right, wrong, indifferent or delusional we are mouthing off.

No death squads, no killing and slave labor camps, no exclusive state press (a la Pravda), no cattle cars loaded with innocents rumbling through the countryside, no KGB or Gestapo, no Gulags etc.

You not only compare President Bush to people who are so beyound the pale there are no terms to describe them; You loudly proclaim that he outstrips them and is the greatest evil of all time.

God help us ALL if you and your ilk gain control of our political system. On second thought, you guys might be OK. If you continue to speak 'Truth to Power' to the pussy cats, the tiger might not eat you.

By: Grammie on November 05, 2006 at 07:05pm
Flag: [abusive] "

This is the second response I got"

" Grammie: Just for You: [Link: www.holgilein.de...]

By: jesussaveATCHASE on November 05, 2006 at 07:22pm
Flag: [abusive]"

For any who don't want to type all that in, it is a grotesque figure, lascivious tongue sticking out, giving the finger.

I responded with this:

"Thank you, 'Jesus...'. What an on point logically indisputable argument you make.

I appreciate the care and thought you put into it. I guess Grammie should know better than to engage a brillant mind like yours.

I am so looking forward to your next erudite essay.

By: Grammie on November 05, 2006 at 07:34pm
Flag: [abusive] "

Had some supportive posts and one post excusing the ' hyberbolic young because they are, well young' and don't know any better.'

I wonder how 'young' he thinks Huffy is. And, these 'youts' will grow up fast and hard if they get their way.

No response yet from 'Jesus'

592 leftout  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 3:41:09pm

#591 grammie

You got it Grammie. I wish truth to power juveniles would try that stuff, as you suggest, on Kim Jong or in Iran with the mullahs watching.

They've never known the terror of the gulag or the East German Stasi. Let's hope that we don't lose our beautiful freedom and liberty because of these ignorant, dangerous ingrates.

593 Dave from Corona  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 3:42:05pm

It's my theory that Jay Bennish and an army of Jay Bennish clones are spewing this venom.

Many of these parasites are "educators" in the liberal arts, work in Borders Bookstores, teach "soft subjects" in junior high school in less desirable school districts, or are still living at home with mom and dad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bennish

594 Da_Beerfreak  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 3:46:40pm

Remember, remember, the 5th of November
The Gunpowder Treason and plot;
I know of no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.

595 taterhead  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 3:53:22pm

Good Lord! I wonder if this is the guy in my doll club? Nasty little pr*ck. You show him facts and he gets madder'n hell.

596 taterhead  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 3:54:18pm

Oops...this guy

I don’t know of anyone who thinks this was a “fair trial”.

By: Dillon on November 05, 2006 at 07:58am

597 eon  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 3:58:00pm

#391 bcgirl

Right now I'm looking at my Newsweek/Hammond Historical Atlas, Vol. 1, the United States of America from Pre-Columbian times to the 1980s. On p. U-16 it shows the various purchases and treaties that gained the young nation various territories in the "lower 48" prior to 1900. What it says (inadvertently) about the radical "Aztlaner" crowd is illuminating.
They claim they want the "Stolen Territories" back. They define these territories as areas either (a) settled or (b) claimed by Mexico or Spain. These would include;

1. The Texas Annexation of 1845- Texas plus parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wyoming;

2. The Mexican Cession of 1848- The rest of New Mexico, plus more of Colorado and Wyoming, plus all of Utah, Nevada, and California, plus most of Arizona;

3. The Gadsden Purchase of 1853- Arizona and New Mexico south of the Gila River;

4. The Oregon Country of 1846- Oregon, Washington, Idaho, a fourth of Montana, and another big chunk of Wyoming;

5.The Louisiana Purchase of 1803- Basically everything else west of the Mississippi River;

6. Florida;

7. And the Red River Basin Purchase of 1818.


Their claims on (1-3) are based on these areas having originally been part of Mexico. (4-6) are claimed on the grounds that they were first explored by the Spanish (according to them- they also claim France "stole" everything they sold us in 1803). As for (7), I think they want it just for completion's sake.
Silly? Yes. Unrealistic? Absolutely. But that's typical of fanatics. I would point out at this juncture that most Americans of Hispanic descent do not support these groups, but they have lashed together a rump group of activists and the usual disaffected academics and intellectuals to push their agenda. The National Council of La Raza has a lot to answer for- but so for that matter does the Faculty Club at Berkeley.

On the original topic of this thread;

If you have a strong stomach, go to Netscape, and click on the "Comments" box under their homepage story on Saddam's conviction. Netscape is practically Moonbat Central these days. The posts on any subject like this, from the war on terror to 9/11, make DailyKos and HuffPo look like RealClearPolitics or RightAngleBlog. They have to be seen to be believed. (Just keep your Alka-Seltzer handy.)

cheers

eon

598 Muad' Dib  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 3:58:06pm

All Liberals should move to the middle east or to North Korea. I am sure they will "fear" quite at home!

599 m1j2bran  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 4:09:06pm

test

600 zenbone  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 5:06:01pm

This is breathtaking nonsense. Maddas claiming that Iran and Israel teamed up against him.

And he lashed out at the court, saying: "You are agents of Iran and Zionism. We will crush your heads."

Remember Kids in the Hall? "I'm crushing your head! I'm crushing your head!"

Never mess with a pro, buddy.

Headcrushing video.

601 sngnsgt  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 5:11:24pm

Has anyone in this thread challenged their patriotism yet?

602 geezer  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 5:51:20pm

I always thought Huffington was an ass-hole but I was mistaken she only lives in one. And it seems that she is also providing a place for more of her ilk to reside. They come out on a regular basis as you would expect. Their patriotism is weak but their odor is strong. They should go to N Korea where they would be welcomed as needed fertilizer to improve the quality of grass to be eaten.

603 extrabob  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:11:30pm

#21 3: DEMOCRATS WILL WIN PRESIDENCY IN 2008

noway, nohow. If the Democrat Party wins big on Tuesday, they'll f*ck everything up so badly in two years that there will be a Republican landslide in '08.

604 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 6:55:57pm

World Opinion Divided on Saddam Verdict

Yes, nine out of ten terrorists disapprove. The other 10% are Iraqi Shiites.

Many lefties, especially in the media, were alarmed over the death sentence, perhaps fearing an application of the Streicher precedent to their own cases.

Many European businessmen and UN bureaucrats were saddened at the imminent loss of a prominent business partner.

American peace activists threatened to riot and called for the death of George Bush, since they see the world as a movie and Saddam as the James Dean character.

605 Dave Brown  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:22:56pm

In case you missed it, this was also posted on Huffington:


“Vanity Fair's Inventions” - David Frum (11.04.2006)
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

There has been a lot of talk this season about deceptive campaign ads, but the most dishonest document I have seen is this press release from Vanity Fair, highlighted on the Drudge Report. Headlined "Now They Tell Us," it purports to offer an "exclusive" access to "remorseful" former supporters of the Iraq war who will now "play the blame game" with "shocking frankness."

It cites not only myself as one of these remorseful supporters, but also Richard Perle, Ken Adelman, and others.

I can speak only for myself. Obviously I wish the war had gone better. It's true I fear that there is a real danger that the US will lose in Iraq. And yes I do blame a lot that has gone wrong on failures of US policy.

I have made these points literally thousands of times since 2004...

"[T]he insurgency has proven it can kill anyone who cooperates, and the United States and its friends have failed to prove that it can protect them."

"I always believed as a speechwriter that if you could persuade the president to commit himself to certain words, he would feel himself committed to the ideas that underlay those words. And the big shock to me has been that although the president said the words, he just did not absorb the ideas. And that is the root of, maybe, everything."

And finally that the errors in Iraq are explained by "failures at the center."

Nothing exclusive there, nothing shocking, and believe me, nothing remorseful.

My most fundamental views on the war in Iraq remain as they were in 2003: The war was right, victory is essential, and defeat would be calamitous.

And that to my knowledge is the view of everybody quoted in the release and the piece: Adelman, Cohen, Ledeen, Perle, Pletka, Rubin, and all the others.

(Not that it matters, but this fight is very personal for many of those people. Cohen and Ledeen have both had children serve in Iraq, Cohen's in the Tenth Mountain Division, Ledeen's daughter in the civil administration and his elder son in the Marines. As a civilian adviser in Iraq, Rubin displayed impressive personal courage living solo for long periods of time in the Shiite zones of east Baghdad.)

Vanity Fair then set my words in its own context in its press release. They added words outside the quote marks to change the plain meaning of quotations.

When I talk in the third quotation above about failures "at the center," for example, I did not mean the president. If I had, I would have said so. At that point in the conversation, I was discussing the National Security Council, whose counter-productive interactions produced bad results.

And when I talked in the second quotation about "persuading the president," I was repeating this point, advanced here last month. In past administrations, the battle for the president's words was a battle for administration policy. But because Bush's National Security Council malfunctioned so badly, the president could say things without action following - because the mechanism for enforcing his words upon the bureaucracy had broken.

In short, Vanity Fair transformed a Washington debate over "how to correct course and win the war" to advance obsessions all their own...

Rose has earned a reputation as a truth teller. The same unfortunately cannot be said for the editors and publicists at Vanity Fair...

606 republic  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:26:34pm

I knew as soon as a guilty/hang verdict was given, that the Demonrats would be seething!

Saddam has been one of their most supported "freedom fighters".

Look at the amount of money that the kook left gave, to pay Ramsey Clark's attorney fees in Saddam's defense!

I'll bet the Daily Kos pukes are sick to their stomachs, and I'm sure that kooks like Michael Moore are beside themselves with this verdict, and sentence.

Now the DNC, and all kook leftist Democrats and lll's, can fly their traditional white flag at half mast, when Saddam is hanged.

This verdict and sentence, is a huge loss to, and for, the kook leftist Demonrats.

Hitler, and WWII, took the lives of near 70 million people, and another 300,000 US troops sacrificing their lives, and a million or more wounded, when it could have been stopped, for the price of a good rope.

These wacko kook leftists, and their "euphorian dreams", are the single greatest danger to the USA, more than all other danger, combined, throughout the world!

607 antisocial_ist  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 7:46:47pm

Thinking like this is reminiscent of the non-logical thinking of people who lived before The Enlightenment.

A segment of our population, raised on quick-cut cable-TV and sound bites and disdaining the skill of reading, is quickly regressing back hundereds of years in the power of the logical thought process which, by the way, built the comfortable lifestyle we in the West enjoy for however much longer we have left.

It required logic to survive a journey to a new country and cross the prairies and establish settlements and grow food and to build America. America did not build herself. She was built by logical people.

The Founding Fathers have to be spinning in their graves. Pray, pray, for our beloved country. Pray that the great deception is lifted from a significant portion of her citizenry.

608 Aegius  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 8:49:10pm
#437 PapaWolf

The verdict handed down was a triumph of justice for a new nation that needs to see that principle in action. Congrads and cheers for the people and especially the judiciary of Iraq. May all who suffered under his thugocracy obtain some solace with his speedy descent to hell.

For those of us who did not directly suffer from Saddam's horrors, the booting of the tool Ramsey Clark from the courtroom was nearly as good. Memo to Mr. Clark, Halloween is OVER, stop being a mad clown. If you must protest the verdict, the deadender terrorists, your spiritual cousins have a burka for you. They made it with extra semtex decorations but at least it's stylish. (Poor taste but true on several levels)

Ramsey Clark has always been a mad clown, yet the MSM put him on a pedastal anyway. Idiots.

In any case I have noticed that people aren't shocked or surprised by the moonbat comments. Why should they be? They called Bush=Hitler without any serious, rational grounds for it and kept calling the Bush admin. a bunch of Nazis again without serious, rational grounds. They have gotten hysterical over the NSA only checking on phone numbers and banking transactions and Camp X-Ray.

Has anyone noticed that they didn't compare the regime in Sudan to Nazi Germany? Or maybe the UAE to apartheid South Africa(half the pop. is of South Asian ancestry and less than 20% are Emirati Arabs and the class structure based upon race.)? I could go on.

Some of the comments by the moonbats were just plane loony like refering to the "zionist neo-con Bush regime" dwarfing civilian casualties against the Saddam Hussein regime. Um... Most of those casualties are committed by the pro-Al Queda or pro-Baathist insurgents. Morons.

609 gromster  Sun, Nov 5, 2006 11:19:26pm

Someone mentioned a blog that gives good news from Iraq, and it's called 'Wake Up America.'

I did a search for it but can't seem to find it.

If anyone could list the link I'm looking for, I'd sure appreciate it. :o)

The results I got did turn up a lot of organizations with that name, including a site by some crackpot conspiracy loon who hates Jews

Heh, I see off to the left he's promoting some kind of software that's supposed to protect you PC from being "investigated."

He must be afraid of all the Jewish people who want to search his computer* to find his valuable Word docs about how the moon landing was faked.

What a dork.
---
* sarcasm.
But I was being straight up about him having moon landing hoax stuff on his computer. You know that part has to be true.

610 eon  Mon, Nov 6, 2006 4:27:58am

#609 gromster

The same thing happened to me a couple of months ago when I went looking for Popular Mechanics' link to their "Debunking 9/11 Myths" webpage, in conjunction with their book and story on the book (September 2006 issue). Every link led to a 9/11 "truther" site. I guess hijacking links is the "progressives" and other assorted whackjobs' latest gambit for ensuring that only their version of "reality" is available to the great unwashed, i.e. the rest of us.

cheers

eon

611 sjmiller  Mon, Nov 6, 2006 5:52:52am

I thought the Nutters are for pease and love -- all I see here is hate -- what a bunch of Fu$# Nut losers! A bunch of Hypocrites!

612 JerseyDave  Mon, Nov 6, 2006 7:40:14am

Wow. Looks like some folks need a little perspective. The US and RAF bombed Germany flat to win WW2 but I never would think these loons would equate the Allied leadership with old Adolf...


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