Unconvered meat indeed. Somebod should slap this mofo in the face with a pork chop.

What a larf.

The hell with an apology...deport him.

PIMF! "somebody"

“I accept the challenge and I’m not going to give in against any power,”

He has interpreted the election results also, IMO.

Pelosi, what say you?

I liked how he had to compare the men to cats, because Muslims don't like dogs

in the west, we say men are dogs, and women are the cats (pussy)

so in the Muslim world, the men are the cats? (p___y)

lol

I wonder how many people in Australia even remember what he really said, with all the white washing of his statements that the MSM there did.

My suggestions for what to do to this lump of pig shit would get me banned.

I speak the truth too. You are a terrorist and need to be killed.

oh, wait a minute, I just censored myself

Hilaly says the Muslim men are pussy cats

Shriek Hilalry say all your uncovered meat are belong to us.

Please die soon, Taj.

Preferably, in the longest, slowest, most miserable lingering way that it is possible for a human to endure, you lying, scum-sucking, is-lame-o-tard.

TIA.

I am a proud enemy of Islam.

Hmmm...

...his comments about women had been taken out of context...

What part of "Uncovered meat" is taken out of context?

"The only uncovered piece of meat is when he..."

Oh wait...that was typed out of context.

"The [bigoted word] should take an uncovered piece of pork and..."

Now, now, now, that too was typed out of context.

No apologies needed. I just typed out of context is all...

TROP

Where are all the so called Feminists?

He, and all like him should stand up for what they believe. As should we. It's a good thing to make a stand and not hide yourself. I am tired of waiting.

The war is coming.

I am looking forward to clarity in this world.

It's coming time to settle all scores.

May the best man win.

"Protect your friends, destroy your enemies."

Hyat, Dune Messiah

The jihadis are really feeling their goats, er oats these days. No need to apologize when your enemies are in retreat.

12 jbinnout

that's exactly what he was saying!

"Hey guys, I don't blame you, but don't get caught, because the infidel judges will sentence you to jail. But we know it's not your fault. You should be free to take the uncovered meat, but for now keep your hands off, because we need you on the streets to help us fight the jihad."

Sheik Hil Ali G

they had this muppets minions on TV the other night trying to whitewash his crap. Their excuse is that he was using a 'fire and brimstone' analogy common to preachers etc to teach a moral lesson.

How anyone could sit there with a straight face and say his entire speech which was very context specific and elaborate was somehow an 'analogy' is absolutely beyond me. How is "rape is 90% the womans fault, 10% the mans" an 'analogy'.

The only positive I can draw is that even the Australian liberal media was unable to whitewash this properly, with even the fairfax papers blasting the living hell out of him. He can't even speak English and he's lived here for THIRTY YEARS.

What he's done is actually a service in my view, as its opened the eyes of alot of Australians as to the true attitudes of the Islamic RoP over here.

He should be resigned, forcibly.

"Head on a pike" has a certain ring to it still.

I have a standard response to "out of context" claims. It's in 2 parts.

1. "So provide the context." Oddly enough, they rarely do this.

2. "If there's a context where this garbage sounds reasonable, the context is also garbage."

Asked on the Nine Network’s Sixty Minutes program tonight whether he had thought about resigning since news of his comments broke, Sheik Hilaly said: “Confronted with this campaign against me, no”.

Because, you see, we're provoking him. If we would just back off and stop attacking him, he'd stop attacking women.

And he can get us a good price on the Brooklyn Bridge, too.

#15 DesertSage

Where are all the so called Feminists?

One of them named Pru Goward called for him to be chucked out. But then, she apparently still believes that feminism means equality for women, and not the currently popular idea that it means demonizing white men.

Check out this trascript from [Link: www.memri.org...I...] was stunned.

It's all the woman's fault.

"transcript..." sorry. Hard to type with blood squirting from my eyes...

And there's always the "Black Jack" Pershing option....

OT: Recommended Reading List from the Help Desk

A State Of Disobedence by Thomas Kratman

John Ringos Tales of the Aldentha series

Glen Cooks The Black Company fantasy series

20 Kragar:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk:80...]

Psyche!

-spits-

Here's the 60 minutes video if anyone's interested - there's also a transcript -
[Link: sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au...]

I don't think he should be deported. At least if he stays here we can keep a closer eye on him.

“I am outspoken, and I have the courage to say the truth,”

I'm outspoken too, and the truth is, this guy is a dickhead (sorry but no other word will suffice) who should be booted back to his little tinpot backwards hell-hole from whence he fled. He never should have been allowed to stay (he was an illegal alien).

Barring having him booted out, how about a circle of women with brooms, cast iron pans, and rolling pins? He gets to escape. Sound like a plan?

Heh, he was encouraged by the Egyptian theatre goers. Brings back his youth, and it Schpringtime Islamofascists' Australia

PS - I have a nice, big marble rolling pin, and I'll be glad to lend a hand in the circle.

Personally, I find the hijab, abaya, jilbab, and burka to be intensely erotic. I don't know if I'll be able to control myself when I see women wearing those. Better keep them in the house.

OT
Pope to hold summit on married priests
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

/Well bugger them!

The cleric has been under pressure to step down since he sparked outrage with his comments, in a Ramadan sermon in Sydney in September, likening immodestly dressed women to uncovered meat, and suggesting they invited sexual assault...
“I am a victim of media propaganda that exaggerates things and takes it all out of proportion,” he said.

Yep, he really meant a single portion of meat rather than a side.

For those still interested...

[Link: anklebiting.web1.ttlc.net...]

Current vote totals. Im hoping to break 50 for most of the votes then move on to the next round. Those in bold are winning and you can see the next round potential matchups.

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Bolt has the transcript of the interview - and a photo of the good sheik. Ray Martin finds ways for the bastard to frame his words - after the fact - in a less than vile manner.

Now there can't be many people in Australia who haven't heard of Sheik Alhilali, the grand mufti of the Lakemba mosque in Sydney. And most of us have an opinion about him - But we reporters are supposed to put our personal prejudices to one side, to go in with an open mind.

Aussie MSM

Sheik decries extremism
[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

THE nation's most radical Islamic cleric, Sheik Mohammed Omran, has issued a rare public statement denouncing extremism after a former follower accused him of being the spiritual leader of Australian jihad.
The statement, posted on the website of Sheik Omran's Ahlus Sunnah Wal-Jamaah Association, is a response to the claims made by a former follower and family friend, "Ibtisam", in The Weekend Australian. The statement says his association "denounces extremism in any religious context".

"Extremism is not from Islam and has been clearly condemned both in the Holy Koran and in the collection of Prophetic traditions," it says.

/Thanks for clearing that up.

“I accept the challenge and I’m not going to give in against any power,” he said through an interpreter.

Why are all the important details always buried?

The guy's one of the leading imams in Australia, and he doesn't even speak English?

Those wacky Aussies love W
[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

Re: the "Pershing Option"

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

It probably didn't happen, but it should have. And, it should happen again. A lot.

#39 zombie

The article's last lines:

Asked whether he understood that some Australians were critical of him for not learning English, Sheik Hilaly said, without the aid of an interpreter: “My age now ... I think too late, mate”.

Better quit picking on those poor Sheikhs
[Link: network.news.com.au...]

Osama's special diet
[Link: network.news.com.au...]

Last words:

"RAY MARTIN: Are you a Muslim first or Australian first?

SHEIK ALHILALI: I'm Muslim first everywhere. Muslim before any nationality. But I'm Australian Muslim. I'm Australian Muslim."

from the Jihad Jack series, Love at First Sight!
[Link: network.news.com.au...]

[Link: network.news.com.au...]

"I am outspoken, and I have the courage to say the truth"

...and liars lie

...you stain those of your faith with your words...your continuance is their acquiescence...

you said what you said

think about what you say before you say it

Just wondered if anyone else out there has the overwhelming sense of something coming up like I do?

........as in the days of Noah.

#38 cbinflux

Extremism is not from Islam and has been clearly condemned both in the Holy Koran and in the collection of Prophetic traditions

That will pacify many people. It's going to be a very long war until everyone does their homework. In reality, of course, it's a subtle green light to most of the violence carried out by Muslims today. The Qur'an and Sunnah (Prophet's Traditions) are the template for the jihad 1,300 years ago and today.

Conversion, dhimma, or death?

I've posted on this interview (including links to the video and the transcript) and summarized my "favorite" moments, including:
- After interviewer Ray Martin states "One of the criticisms of you by Australians is that you've been here so long but you don't seem to integrate. You don't even speak our language," Hilaly, who up until then had not uttered even a word of English, tries to sound "Aussie." He switches to broken English, saying "I think my age now at the finish — I'm 66 or 67 now. I think too late, mate."
- Hilaly trying to convince everyone that he has no problem with women wearing bikinis, or even topless women.
- After Hilaly's statement that Islam forbids the beating of women, Ray Martin asks "So if you beat your wife, what would she do?" Hilaly responds: "She hits me sometimes." Meaning that he admits to beating his wife.
- Hilaly's statement that he is "the most moderate of all Muslim clerics."
- Hilaly's inability to hide his true self, despite his best efforts to sound moderate. - After Ray Martin confronts him with his recent quote that the holocaust, which killed six million Jews, was a Zionist lie, Hilaly replies "I would like to stress that I condemned the holocaust. But there are hundreds upon hundreds of others who are saying that the figures are not correct." When asked why he would say such a thing, Hilaly responds "I say straightaway what is in my heart. I say it.

Smelly creep.

Time for my music, so I will go. I just have this one question and I will wait for a descent time for an answer: Where is Amalie and why has she abandoned us?

Hi Pat,

Ready for the Akaka Bill.

Dan "Fake but accurate" Ra^ther returns to TV with a 'pioneering experience'

Link

Tommoon
Akaka will die in office. Then they will pass the bill to honor him.

#54 sngnsgt
Shouldn't Rather do a show on youtube instead. Fuzzy pixelated fake stuff is harder to prove is fake than HD:)

pat

I did some research on some of the Hawaiian groups who would benefit from the Bill. The Trask sisters have the same lawyer as the Palistinians, somehow I am not surprized.

Ae, I know. Hia moimoi.

pat

Hawaiians deserve better than the Akaka Bill.

Sheikh?

According to Wikipedia, the database of mob-rule, liberal smugness, and a "locked down" article on Ted Kennedy,

Sheikh can have several meanings:

1) tribe,
2) lord,
3) revered wise man,
4) or Islamic scholar.

Since LGF clearly examines Islamic issues, almost on a daily basis, LGF members can clearly call themselves Sheikhs.

To deny the tribal element may invite being boiled in a pot.

Sincerely,

Sheihk Pajamas

Do the Sheik, babe...

MigueldowninMexico

So did Amalie leave a forwarding address? Do you stil think that "all we have too fear is fear itself."

#60 blackpajamas
You left out one meaning.
Dick cover or more comonly known as condom:)

tom
I don't know her address.
And about the question, I don't remember saying that lol. But I agree (with myself, perhaps, lol) that fear is bad because it paralizes people.

#52 tommoon

Where is Amalie and why has she abandoned us?

She's holding court in the Lizard Lounge as we post.

/new nic, you'll figure it out

MigueldowninMexico

So, what do you think of the present world situation? Being in Mexico is kind of nice. You can watch to see which side destroys the others and then pick a side.

“I am outspoken, and I have the courage to say the truth,” he told interviewer Ray Martin

So is he speaking truth to power?

Killian Bundy

She should be advised, that she is needed in the military operations room. Miquel is taking a lot of heat for her absence.

#68 tommoon

She should be advised, that she is needed in the military operations room. Miquel is taking a lot of heat for her absence.

Well, click the Lizard Lounge (chat room) link in the upper right corner of this page and go tell her yourself.

/hint: look for the most prolific poster

OT: Wear a Hijab/Turban Day

The idea for the event originated days after Alia Ansari, a 38-year-old Afghan woman from Fremont, was gunned down Oct. 19 as she walked with her 3-year-old daughter to pick up some of her other children at school.

Police have yet to find a motive in the Ansari case, but the perception among some in the community is that the shooting had to be a hate crime because Ansari was wearing a Muslim head scarf (hijab).

"We don't know whether it is a hate crime. We don't know whether she was killed because of her hijab. We don't know whether it was an
honor killing or what," said Reshma Yunus, founder of SEMAH and one of the speakers at the event. "Regardless of the reason, we can still try to exercise our minds and become more comfortable with the diversity of our community."

In other words, we don't know whether she was killed because she wore a hijab by people who thought she shouldn't wear one or by people who did, but we'll go out with this initiative anyway.

More on the story:
Religious hate seen as motive in killing

The slaying marks the second time someone in the victim's family has been shot and killed in Fremont. In January 2002, Afghan community leader Rahim Ansari, 34, of Union City was shot and killed inside his business, Pamir Travel, in Little Kabul.

The suspected gunman in that incident, upset over a spurned romance, also wounded Rahim Ansari's brother-in-law, Zabiullah Ansari, a second-cousin of Alia Ansari. In an interview Friday, Zabiullah Ansari, 48, expressed hope that the right person had been arrested. But he said, "They don't know what happened.

Graffiti tags puzzle police

#69 Killian Bundy

I thought it might be MandyManners but Render nixed the guess. So I'm clueless.

Killian Bundy

If she changed the password again, then what do I do. I guess that means the user name has also changed. Bundy, do you know something the rest of us don't.

#72 tommoon

If she changed the password again, then what do I do. I guess that means the user name has also changed. Bundy, do you know something the rest of us don't.

Have you been to the Lizard Lounge?

/she's easy to spot

Bundy

I can't, I just can't.

Anyone know whether Hazan Khan was contacted?

littleoldlady

I knew it, hi Amalie.

"...and now says he won’t resign."

Oh, he's gonna' resign, Charles.

He's gonna resign.

He just doesn't know it, yet.

He has noooooo idea how powerful the Feminist Movement is around the world.

Why, they'll be there lickety split, standing up to this brute and what he said...just like they do to all the Conservatives here in the States.

Just you watch, Charles!

(Yeah. Right....)

/sarc

~Norsk Troll

ROTFL!

/gasp! gasp! choke!

tommoon,

Well thank you so very much for the compliment, sir! However, Amalie is young, beautiful and wears great shoes.

Me, I'm just an old hag.

You...you need glasses, I think.

;-)

Hi guys,

Hilali is our useful idiot. Anytime he gives the Australian public the benefit of his 'scholarship', hundreds, if not thousands of people are made aware of the nature of the beast that is islam.

I think not. I see perfectly well, Littleoldlady, a very good cover, yet I am not fooled. And how would know that Amalie is young, beautiful and wears great shoes?

Why this so called "Mufti" is still in Australia?

A. He should never been allowed to become a permanent resident, and
B. He should be deported forthwith.

The only reason he was ever allowed to stay here was because of some sleazy political vote stacking in the south west suburbs of Sydney.

Reap what you sow.

Why, she told me so!

#81 tommoon

Now that you mention it, I have never seen littleoldlady and Amalie photographed together.

#83 littleoldlady

Confirmed.

/your instincts were correct, you know the nic switch

Ok, littleoldlady, stand over to the side, an officer will get your statement later, oh one other thing. How well do you know Miquel? He seems to disappear when you appear. I can't find one witness who has seen the both of you together. Yes, your lawyer has been notified.

fluffy,

Now that you mention it, I have never seen littleoldlady and Amalie photographed together.

Of course you haven't! You don't think I want the comparison on film for posterity, do you?

Killian,

She confirmed it? (I was talking about the shoes.) Hmmm. Last time she changed incarnations I had to get used to a whole new personality. I hope she keeps that, at least, because I liked it a lot.

tommoon,

You don't come around much, do you? It just so happens that I'm one of Miguel's (many) wives.

"comparison on film"

Amalie was always making stupid flims. Yet, she never used one of those box things.

littleoldlady

I don't come around much? I was there the night you introduced him to the group. He is one of my favorite people, whoever he is.

Hi LittleOldLady
Hi dead threaders

#87 littleoldlady

She confirmed it

Not directly, although my recent interaction is consistent. Third party confirmation, trusted.

/claiming stalker problems, changes nics every 25K posts oi so

#48 jlfintx 11/13/2006 09:57PM PST
Just wondered if anyone else out there has the overwhelming sense of something coming up like I do?

........as in the days of Noah.

Most definitely.

Jerusalem will be a cup of reeling among the nations.

and

If those days were not cut short no flesh would survive.

/claiming stalker problems, changes nics every 25K posts oi so

GOOD GRIEF! 25,000!? In 4-1/2 years here I haven't even managed 10,000 yet!

/must.catch.up.

Birkenstock Cowboy! :-)

#94 littleoldlady

GOOD GRIEF! 25,000!?

League leader, check it out.

/that's why it clicked when you mentioned it last night

I'm going to bed. Amalie, Littleoldlady, Miquel, Ho Chi Minh, they are all starting to look alike. Good night all.

That's either one heck of an investment in time, or way more things to say than I can ever dream of.

/whoa. that's impressive!

Yeah, Ho Chi Minh. That's who I resemble.

#97 littleoldlady

whoa. that's impressive!

Especially for an emergency room physician.

/the internet is a funny thing

littleoldlady

No, that is what everyone is looking like to me right now. You just look like a little of lady, I'm sure, to everyone..

OT

Glenn Beck Wednesday night don't miss it.

:)

physician

/my bad, been drinking since the election

little of lady...

Where's the rest of me?! [© Ronald Reagan]

Well, I just got around to reading my email.... I'm an insider so I will be watching Glenn Beck. Good night my Edith Piaf.

I guess if you're an ER doc in Bohunk where nothing much happens you could have a lot of time on your hands...

?

littleoldlady

Hey it wouldn't hurt to change your name to a "alittleoffoldlady" sure would make it easier on the rest of us.

tom,

No nic changes for me. I'm confused enough about who I am, thankyouverymuch!

/nevermind all the other folks here

Although youngtallsexyblonde has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

#106 tommoon

Hey there. Aren't you the one who came down on me like a ton of bricks for daring to question Amalie of many names/the doc? Did you ever get my message at your web site?

Hello littleoldlady, Miguel and Killian ;)

Hope all goes well in your world.

I just heard a recent poll (Harris) in which they said 51% of Americans believe Muslims, Jews, and Christians worship the same god. Beagle and others are right. We have a long way to go in educating the American public.

littleoldlady

I'm just kidding you. You are perfect as you are. Love your post, you are a well informed person, knowledgeable.

Sprite

My website is nationally Veterans Of Vietnam monitered. I have no control of what gets to me from them. If you presented something worth while I should have gotten it. If not they probably know where you live.

#110 tommoon

Oh geez. I just followed your link, and clued you in to the military in my immediate family.

Nothing important, I'm sure.

I hope they do know where I live. I'd take all of them in in a pinch...or even if they only happened to be in my neighborhood.

One of my brothers served with you in 'Nam.

Sprite! :-)

tom,

You maybe vant to learn some Yiddish? ;-)

Killian,

WRT drinking...The election didn't bother me so much. "My guy" lost, but to tell the truth, in XX years of voting "my guy" has lost more times than "he" has won. There's always another election.

/I hope

What has me fuming is this: I voted for George W. Bush. I did NOT vote for Pappy Bush (in 2004). And I certainly did NOT VOTE FOR JAMES BAKER - ever.

Substance abuse is not really my style, but I feel a binge of something coming on...

:-(

Sprite

I do really met a lot of stupid people. You gave me no indication your family had anything to do with your trying to contact me, only that I came down on you like a ton of bricks. I get a lot of threats from people like you. "I'll take them all in a pinch." I have been threatened since I fought in Vietnam. I guess that is why I didn't get your messages. When you threaten Vietnam Veterans, it shows who you are.

listen, moon,

I have never once 'threatened you'. I am really refraining from matching your rudeness.

YOu were rude to me a week or so ago when I asked when and where Amalie was a doc. If anything, you were threatening to me!

I wrote to your site, complete with you sitting on a bike, to advise I am not 'the enemy' for daring to question your beloved friend.

Tommoon, you need to take a chill pill.

Sprite

You are a real reason I should think about not coming into this type of site and being open. I really don't think you should use any other avenue but this forum to critize me. My site is for Veterans of Vietnam and those who support us, not jerks who wish to attack us. I did not get your message because brothers probably thought it threatening and shiedled me from it. Now I get your message.

Okay then...

I'm off to do some laundry. Be back for fruitcup. Somebody hide the knives while I'm gone, please?

#115 tommoon

Of fercryinoutloud, moon.

Go get the message from your brothers' web site. There was not one scintilla of criticism in it! Quite the contrary. I pointed out my dad was Navy, one brother was also Navy (the one who served in Nam) and another was a Marine. My message was one of support. Just as my offer to take Any and All military into my home was, tonight.

I do object to people being rude to me in this forum for no reason. That means you.

And I certainly object to people trying to twist my words.

I'm sure you can retrieve the message from your web site, moon. I know you're a man of honor.

Perhaps you'll apologize after doing so.

sprite

I do think you are a perfect example of why our country is were it is now. You have no respect of veterans, you are a undeciplined child, on the ground hitting the floor with a little shoe and holding his breath. I am rude to you because you are fucked up. So, go cry to your mother.

Boy, sure glad I rushed back for all the pleasentry. Perhaps I'll seek some news for later posting.

Mike C.

I think I am thru with this site. Veterans will be treated like shit here. Good by

#118 tommoon

I hope you'll sleep it off and reread this thread tomorrow.

Mike C. and lol,

Sigh.

# 120 tommoon

I'm sorry, but you are incorrect in that judgement. And there are tons of veterans posting here who would overwhelmingly agree with me. But it's a free internet, so leave if you must. Pity.

Mike C

Pretty much the coutries attitude toward veterans, you don't like it pity.

Good morning, dead thread.

Are you a hunter ? Are you a cook ? Are you both ? Do you want to be environmentally friendly ? Then you need

SEASON SHOT !

Who comes up with this stuff ?

# 123 tommoon

Not here. And the "pity" at the end of my previous post was to indicate I thought it was a pity that you felt obliged to leave.

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------->
(Spiced up with a little Valium™; hope you don't mind....)
Help yourselves!

Is this free-range fruit?

Sheik Hilaly complained that his comments about women had been taken out of context.

I complain that Sheik Hilaly is a threat to Western society, liberal democracies and civilization and should be 'taken-out' as the term might be utililized and loosely defined, militarily.

Mornin folks. Another grand and glorious day on the slow motion train-wreck of World War '__'(fill in the blank)?

The chat room is now empty.

/no excuses

And some absolutely fabulous pix of Hornets and Super Hornets breaking the sound barrier.

This is only a test.

In case it works, Good Morning Y'All.

#126 lol

Thanks! Don't do valium, here. A cool summer's breeze would be great, though.

Actually, I could just about cry at this point.

I come to LGF for news of the world. Let's face it, it ain't the greatest these days. But usually the strength of the feetballers buoys me in the face of it all.

When I've had the time to read here of late, post-election, the commentary has been so depressing that I click off to escape it.

As for tommoon, I hope he will reread today's exchange. Pity he didn't read my words of support.

Sorry for my angst.

Yet I still believe that the U.S. will prevail; good will prevail against the evil we face.

Meanwhile, a speed bump on the road to the space elevator.

feetballers

Can you please not use this term, Sprite? Thanks!

;-)

It'll get better.

J.D.

Are you having trouble posting?

#134 lol,

Yah, sure. I was referring to earlier posts and earliers commenters who used it in a mocking (back) sense.

It seems I can't win for losin' tonight.

Oh well.

Jihadists are amused in Britain over this piece--

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Note WHO is using the area as a base of violence to begin with!

There's nothing 'slow-motion' about the train-wreck and disaster of Eurabia; it's balls-to-the-walls, pedal-to-the-metal: France to hurry visa process for Algerians

Yea, that's just what the Fwench need, more North African's - even faster. Stupid schmucks may as well drop the pretense and open the flood-gates.

IT WAS A JOKE.

/sheesh

Okay, I'm going to take my mood-altering drugs and go byebye. (I'd do more laundry but I think there's a mouse in the laundryroom...YUCK)

:-(

Good day, ALL!™

Bye, littleoldlady.

I think I want actual dinner tonight, not a mere nosh. Indian sounds good, so back in a bit.

What was a joke littleoldlady? Got fruitcup?

#138 lol,

Sorry I missed it! Stupid tears.

Prayers.

Sleep well, All.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

The hidden white victims of racism

Last week’s horrifying trial of three Asians is part of a worrying trend, says Brendan Montague
No one who saw Angela Donald giving her dignified statement that “justice had been done” outside the High Court in Edinburgh as the racist murderers of her 15-year-old son were jailed last week could feel anything but sympathy. For Margaret Massey there was more, though — a sense of fellow-feeling and anger.

Kriss Donald was snatched off the street by an Asian gang and subjected to a terrible ordeal: beaten, stabbed, doused in petrol and set ablaze. Massey’s son Lee, a rugby player, was also the subject of a racially motivated attack when he was set upon by a gang of Iraqi asylum seekers “out looking for someone” to hurt.

He and two friends were stabbed in a car park in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, in October 2003. Lee was then thrown into the air and suffered devastating brain injuries when one of the gang used a car to run him down. Three years later he has not fully recovered.

Massey still feels aggrieved that — in her view — the police inquiry was hindered by political correctness because officers feared that reporting that a white man had been so brutally attacked by asylum seekers would further fuel racial tensions following several such brawls in the area.

“The police didn’t charge 13 members of the gang even though I believe there was some evidence,” she says.

“If our Lee had run over one of the Iraqis he would have been arrested right away and sent to prison for the rest of his life. The police are nervous when white people are attacked. In this area this is happening more and more often.”

The killing of Stephen Lawrence 13 years ago sparked off an orgy of soul-searching throughout liberal Britain.

But we have never quite acknowledged that violence comes from both sides. Gavin Hopley, 19, was kicked to death by up to eight Asian men in Oldham in February 2002. Six men were convicted of violent disorder and theft offences but no one has been convicted of his murder.

An Asian gang was also responsible for the violent killing of 17-year-old Ross Parker, who was savagely stabbed with hunting knives during an attack in Peterborough in 2001. David Lees, 23, was run over and killed during a fight between whites and a gang of Asians in Prestwich, Manchester, only last month.

However, the debate about the white victims of racist attacks seems to have progressed no further in the past 10 years — because of fears of “political correctness” and the threat of the far right making political capital out of personal tragedy.

Sir Ian Blair, Britain’s most senior police officer, even attacked the press as “institutionally racist” in January this year because cases such as the killing of Tom ap Rhys Pryce, the solicitor, had gained more publicity than the equally terrible death on the same day of Balbir Matharu, who had tried to stop thieves ripping the radio from his car.

An extensive search of national and regional newspaper reports, however, shows that cases involving black and minority ethnic victims are widely reported, while there is an almost total boycott of stories involving the white victims of similar attacks. Is this because newspapers fear their reports appearing on BNP leaflets, or because the police are less likely to issue appeals for help?

Peter Fahy, chief constable of Cheshire police and spokesman on race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: “A lot of police officers and other professionals feel almost the best thing to do is to try and avoid [discussing such attacks] for fear of being criticised. This is not healthy.”

The silence means it is impossible to know how many white people are victims of racist attacks in today’s multicultural BritaiB

i'm gonna reboot see if it helps

now?

again?

third time?

Anyone else have to chase the preview and post this comment button up the page? Ever?
Frustrating.

'A Tidal Wave of Change'
This time the Republicans were swamped. Here's how to recover.
by Frank Luntz
Predictably, not a flattering image of Pelosi on the cover.

...If this were a novel, it would be chilling enough, but this is reality. The Islamofascists really do want to defeat America in Iraq and then use a failed state to replicate 9/11s (and worse) around the world. They say so, and their actions prove their intent.

Europe is in a permanent state of denial. The European media are clucking about the election results. They believe if America prematurely withdraws from Iraq, Europeans will be safer. In fact, Europe will be - and, in reality, already is - in its greatest danger since World War II.

Another reminder of the increasing threat to Europe comes from the head of British intelligence. The director general of MI5, Eliza Manningham-Buller, said as many as 30 major terrorist plots are being planned in the country and that future threats could involve chemical and nuclear technology. She said young Muslims are being groomed to become suicide bombers and that MI5 agents are tracking 1,600 suspects, most of whom were born in Britain and are linked to al-Qaeda in Pakistan. Prime Minister Tony Blair, who once called for the expulsion of seditionist radicals and the closing of some mosques, has been rebuffed by the British courts, which continue to treat terrorism as a crime problem instead of a war. Radical Muslims have flooded Europe, but Europeans pretend they will not be harmed if they imagine the enemy poses no threat.

Both a novelist and a realist could write the following scenario: In an effort to take Iraq off the table as an issue in the 2008 presidential campaign, the Bush administration adopts most of the provisions of the Iraq Study Group. In a modern version of the Paris Peace Talks, which allowed the United States to have "peace with honor" and withdraw from Vietnam (resulting in the deaths, imprisonment and "re-education" of unknown numbers of Vietnamese who wanted to be free), the administration then orders a "redeployment" of forces after "negotiations" with Syria and Iran (recommended by Blair). This allows just enough time for American troops to leave before al-Qaeda murders the elected leadership and takes over Iraq.

Meanwhile in the United States, mosques and Islamic schools paid for by the extremist Wahhabi sect, multiply like fast-food franchises. Terrorists are imported and recruited from prisons. Al-Qaeda announces that weapons of mass destruction have been placed in key American and European cities. They demand that the United States withdraw its protection of Israel. If we refuse, they threaten to detonate their weapons, killing millions of people. What president, or prime minister, will reject that demand? After capitulating on the installment plan, who will have the political or moral capital (or military capacity) to stop Armageddon?

The Biggest Winners

#142:

The hidden white victims of racism

I've called it Caucasophobia, for the lack of a better word. I see two potential objections to this term. One is that negative feelings towards whites are less a matter of fear than of hatred and contempt, which is partly true. But I find Caucasophobia to be a useful phrase to counter claims of Islamophobia, whatever that is. I loathe the term “reverse racism,” which indirectly implies that white racism is the norm and non-white racism is just a “reaction” to this.

The other objection is that the term Caucasian technically refers to Arabs and Indians, too. However, in March 2005, peaceful white, French demonstrators were attacked by bands of black and Arab youths. One 18-year-old named Heikel added that he had “a pleasant memory” of repeatedly kicking a student, already defenseless on the ground. The sentiment was a desire to “take revenge on whites.”

Notice that these were Arabs attacking Europeans. I have also heard Pakistanis and Turks refer to Europeans as “whites.” I thus find it justifiable to use the term Caucasophobia of racism against people of European stock.

Muhammad: he mended his own clothes!

The Wall Street Journal, which should know better but obviously doesn't, has published a list of five recommended books about Islam (thanks to all who sent this in). Among them:

"Muhammad" by Karen Armstrong (HarperCollins, 1992).

To understand Islam, one needs to understand the central role played by the Prophet Muhammad in the religion's creation and propagation. Orphaned at a young age, he was a successful trader when the divine revelations began. In Karen Armstrong's sympathetic and sometimes academic profile, she argues that, unlike Jesus, who could be a pacifist because he lived during Pax Romana, Muhammad faced warring tribes across Arabia. She paints a portrait of a very human prophet who is expedient and clever, who loves women and--despite having multiple wives--even mends his own clothes. But at his death, divisions over succession lead to the murder of three of the first four caliphs, or leaders, who followed--setting in motion the Sunni/Shia struggles that continue today.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Breaking News: Saddam escapes.

#32 Catttt

PS - I have a nice, big marble rolling pin, and I'll be glad to lend a hand in the circle

Just make sure it's inserted rectally

#152 bweep

Oh, thanks a lot--you made my heart stop for a second!

Things Just Got Worse
From champs to chumps,

By Thomas Sowell

In just two short years, Republicans have gone from being champs to being chumps. In 2004, the Republicans were voted control of all three branches of the federal government and most state governorships. Today, they are left wondering what hit them.

Now that Democrats are in control on Capitol Hill, President Bush has expressed hopes of getting a bipartisan immigration bill. The only bipartisan bill that can get past a Democratic Congress is an amnesty bill, which can be a down payment on another Republican defeat in 2008.

If the people in the White House do not understand how outraged their supporters were at this year’s attempt to pass an amnesty bill for illegals — virtually guaranteeing that even more millions will come — then it is hard to know what message they got from the Republicans’ recent debacle at the polls.

Immigration was not the only issue but it was part of the more general issue of betrayal, which includes the Republicans’ runaway spending, among other things.

If the Republican leaders have learned nothing from their recent defeat, perhaps some Republican supporters will. Some of the most baffling e-mails received from conservative Republicans before the election were those which said that they were so disillusioned and/or disgusted with the Bush administration that they were going to vote for Democrats in order to send a message.

This is the kind of emotional self-indulgence common among liberals but apparently some conservatives have now also come to see elections as occasions to vent their feelings rather than to choose among existing options for the future of the country.

Sending a message may have its benefits but — as with all benefits — the question must be asked: “At what cost?”

On the Left, it is acceptable to say things like “open space” or “alternative fuels” without any thought of the cost. What is new is finding the same spirit now flourishing among some conservatives as well.

As events unfold over time, perhaps those conservatives will reconsider whether it was worth it to “send a message” to President Bush at the cost of making Senator Pat Leahy chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Senator Leahy’s control of that committee virtually guarantees that the only kind of federal judges who can get confirmed are the kind who are likely to spend decades on the bench creating new “rights” for criminals, illegal aliens, and terrorists.

Was that price even considered by conservatives who indulged their anger instead of weighing alternatives? It is easy to say “the parties are no different” or “things couldn’t get any worse.”

People have said that before — and have been proved wrong before. Before the election of 1860, abolitionists said it would make no difference whether Lincoln or a Democrat was elected. But millions of people were freed because that prediction was wrong. ...

#152 bweep

My faith in the strength of feetballers has been restored. No more tears, here. Ahaaa..

Thanks :D

Now I can sleep..

BERLIN - Civil rights activists filed suit Tuesday asking German prosecutors to open a war crimes investigation of former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and a host of other U.S. officials for their alleged roles in abuse at
Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo Bay.

The 220-page document was sent to federal prosecutors by U.S. and German attorneys under a German law that allows the prosecution of war crimes regardless of where they were committed. It alleges that Rumsfeld personally ordered and condoned torture.

"One of the goals has been to say a torturer is someone who cannot be given a safe haven," said Michael Ratner, the president of New York's Center for Constitutional Rights, which is behind the litigation.

"It sends a strong message that this is not acceptable."...

Ratner is so aptly named...Nasty human being. Nasty.
Group sues to have Rumsfeld investigated

lawhawk - was it you who was keeping track of him?

IN WHAT CONTEXT WOULD HIS REMARKS BE UNDERSTOOD PROPERLY?

Jihadists trash Muslim U.S. rep

BY JAMES GORDON MEEK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON - Why is Al Qaeda trash-talking Keith Ellison?

In January, Ellison, 43, will become America's first Muslim congressman. The Minneapolis Democrat, who converted to Islam while in college, got 56% of his district's vote in last Tuesday's election.

But since his victory, Osama Bin Laden's chattering goons have been jeering, not cheering.

In secret Internet chat rooms they call him "the first Jewish Muslim that goes to Congress."

Source

Now i can't wait to laugh on them...

Al-Qaeda to explode 30 jetliners and trains in Europe on Christmas eve
13.11.2006

Al-Qaeda may apparently be working on another grand terrorist act, this time for Europe. According to reports received from Western intelligence services, al-Qaeda’s terrorists prepare to explode 30 planes and trains across Europe on Christmas time. The terrorist act is said to be conducted at the end of December, when many people book Christmas tours or simply travel to celebrate holidays with their relatives or friends.

Al-Qaeda reportedly recruits most experienced Arab gunmen who participate in the guerilla warfare in Afghanistan. Acts of terror are planned to be conducted on board passenger jetliners departing from London ’s Heathrow airport in spite of the fact that the European Union has recently approved a set of strict rules regulating the transportation of liquid substances.

The leaders of the international terrorist network say that the White House in Washington is their prime goal. It was particularly said that Osama bin Laden’s organization trains a whole army - 12,000 terrorists – who will penetrate in the USA and attack the White House.

Source

WTF? Mohammed was one of the first feminists?
Scholar: Oppression of Women in Muslim Countries Not Widespread

Nov. 13, 2006

By Sam Gardner

The oppression of women in Islamic countries is caused by men misinterpreting the Quran and is not as widespread as portrayed by the mainstream media, a Fulbright scholar from Morocco told a University of Central Florida audience last week.

Fatima Amrani Zerrifi said the true interpretation of the Quran is not oppressive and instead lifts women up. The author and educator at Sid Mohamed Ben Abdellah Fes University in Morocco spoke to a crowd of about 50 students and community members on Thursday, Nov. 9.

Amrani gave an hourlong presentation, sponsored by the Women’s Studies Program and Office of Interdisciplinary Studies, that snubbed theories that there is gender inequity in Islamic culture. She said Mohammed was one of the first feminists.

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Source

Hernando County Commission Issues Resolution Praising Saudi Funded Muslim Group [CAIR] And Terror Linked Mosque

By Beila Rabinowitz, Director - MiltantIslamMonitor.org

November 13, 2006 - San Francisco, CA - PipeLineNews.org - On November 14, 2006 the Hernando Board of County Commissioners plans to issue a resolution to recognize the "caring spirit" of the Islamic community and the Council on American Islamic Relations [CAIR] for distributing "Ramadan/Thanksgiving" baskets to the needy. [Link: www.hernandotoday.com...]

This program by the Hernando Muslim community is da'wa, plain and simple, an attempt at creating the impression that the radical Muslim group - CAIR - and a masjid with ties to terrorism - Hernando's Barclay Street mosque - are benevolent organizations. This event is an exercise in Islamic proselytizing - "jihad of the tongue" - and therefore constitutes Islamism not altruism. [source - [Link: www.militantislammonitor.org...]

It is also an effort to co-opt a uniquely American holiday, linking it with a Muslim holiday to which Thanksgiving bears no relationship.

Source

# 162 EC Marm

She said Mohammed was one of the first feminists.

And so he was. The problem is, he was by 7th century standards of his region. The problem is, it's not the 7th century anymore, and most people aren't from his region.

Severely OT.

On another msg board, someone actually used the follow as a logical proof that No Child Left Behind makes criminals, therefore Bush is a criminal himself:

No Child Left Behind = standardized tests = teaching to pass the tests, not teaching for learning = high school graduates that have no skills to make it in the real world = high rate of failure in life = high likelyhood of resorting to crime = jail.

I laughed myself silly and couldn't respond. Would it even matter?

Well, crap. Using "the problem is" two sentances in a row kinda sucks, doesn't it ?

Morning all!
EC Marm 161- source?
I've got this image of a mob of 12,000 jihadis trying to storm the White House. No contest.

Does anyone else wonder if the sudden "let's talk nice to Iran?" is a feint- disinformation?

jaynumber13 #165
Following that logic path, all men are Socrates.

#167 Jim in Virginia
Source: Yeah, a little shaky, at best. Just passing it on. Pravda:
[Link: english.pravda.ru...]

Jim in Virginia

Does anyone else wonder if the sudden "let's talk nice to Iran?" is a feint- disinformation?

But why?

#165 jaynumber13

'Cause, like, you know, before NCLB, high school grads could, like, read and stuff...

NCLB ?

No Child Left Behind=NCLB

No Child Left Behind

howdy

Oh. Sorry. My children are 26 and 24 respectively, so I'm a bit out of the loop.

No worries. (I have no kids, so I'm even farther out of the loop....)

Good Morning Y'all from a cold (41 degrees going up to 73)but sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this beautiful morning?

Good Morning Lizards.

European economic growth mixed.

The German economy expanded at an adjusted 2.8% annual rate during the third quarter, with the traditionally strong exporting country getting the benefit of improving demand both domestically and from abroad.

2.8% is very sustainable, not bad, but not outstanding either.

Germany's economy rose 0.6% compared to the second quarter, though second-quarter numbers were revised higher to show 1.1% growth from 0.9% earlier, the statistics office said.
Economists had forecast a 0.8% quarterly rise in the German economy.
French and Italian growth also slowed down in the third quarter, leading to a 0.5% rise in euro-zone economic growth, against the 0.7% predicted by economists.
"This is bound to raise concerns that the euro-zone's fledgling recovery may be starting to lose momentum earlier than expected," said David Brown, chief European economist for Bear Stearns, in a note to clients.

Plus, the yield curve for the EU is doing some funky things:

Last week, the yield curve on euro-denominated government bonds briefly inverted, which also was taken as a sign that the economy could be slowing down.
Still, rate hikes may rise even if the European economy slows.

Good, that's just like an EU socialist to raise interest rates even as the economy slows down unexpectedly. Why don't you raise taxes too, while you are at it?

Like I say, it's just a matter of time until
the EU fails.

Senate Schumerization

Gag....

#170 "J.D." - Morning to y'all! I WISH it was disintformation, but I'm afraid, especially with James Baker involved that they honestly believe that making nice to Iran will work.
Sigh. It's tiresome (and worrisome) having to watch the "leadership" of the country keep making the same fucking mistakes.
How are you doing today?

It's a lousy program. It is based upon teach-to-test, and a kid is lucky if the program doesn't run out of money before the test.

But I'm not too sure about the creating criminals part. ;-)

The Captain is reporting that Iran is getting more open in it's support of Al Qaida...that just makes this so much more vivid in a way

#182 littleoldlady

We really need to revitalize the US educational system, including teaching American history.

#180 christheprofessor - Good morning Chris! How are you this fine morning? I didn't even go to your link, as Chuckie was "my" Senator for too many years before I moved to N.C. and wound up with Edwards and someone else! LOL!
Having Chuckie as the "voice of the party" (after Reid and Durbin) would be just swell.

#183 quiet man

Why not? The US just gave Congress to a party bent on appeasement. It's in Iran's interest to be more obnoxious.

#171 christheprofessor 11/14/2006 04:32AM PST

#165 jaynumber13

'Cause, like, you know, before NCLB, high school grads could, like, read and stuff...

ROFLMAO! Sure isn't the case anymore though - NCLB is a sure-fire recipe for an entire generation of illiterates.

Back when the kiddo was in kindergarten, she and her best friend had begun school reading. As time went on we started to worry because the girls were getting nothing from school except the opportunity to act as unpaid tutors to their "peers." Friend's mom told me a teacher friend of hers had told her not to worry - by third grade they would all be on the same level. She failed to tell her that it was because the bright ones would have given up in discouragement. Friend put in an extra year and a half in the pubs before Mom switched to home-schooling. It shows.

#185 realwest

Good morning. First day in a while that I haven't got a Tuesday morning meeting, may just not even go into the office today, which is always nice.

How are you and your mother doing?

#176 Mike C. Evening Mike. How's things over in PRC these days? How many more days do you have there until you get to come home?

CTP 180- please! No Chucky Schumer this early, I haven't had breakfast yet.

CtP

We really need to revitalize the US educational system, including teaching American history.

If we start teaching American History, there's gonna be a lot of kids asking "Didn't we learn anything from this?".
From a Democratic view point, it's better to keep them uneducated about our past.

christheprofessor so true. and what else is in the news? Brazen terrorist activities from around the globe. What are the good guys doing?
Backing off, waving our hands in front of us and saying "whoa, we didnt mean it!"

# 182 littleoldlady

Back in the day, we had a better system. Nuns. They would beat you senseless or flunk your ass in a heartbeat, no problem. No mercy. Surprisingly (by contemporary thought), this approach produced results.

#182 {littleoldlady} Hey, you're still out here!
Have you heard from our friend yet? And which way is the fruitcup?!
BBIAM - gotta get some coffee!

#184 christheprofessor 11/14/2006 04:49AM PST

#182 littleoldlady

We really need to revitalize the US educational system, including teaching American history.

Ain't happening christheprof. American history has been rewritten in favor of history of the underprivileged in America, World History has been rewritten in favor of the noble Arab versus the robber European, multiculturalism has stolen the keys to the castle and new teachers coming out are little more able than the HS "grads."

You want an educated kid teach them yourself. I would say send them to private school but look at Harvard.....

Mike C spare the rod, right? Still, people learn better when the rules are well defined

Our son is 8 years old.
So we are heavily invested in the whole NCLB brewhaha.
And don't get me started about the "New, New Math". I could write a book about that topic.

Funny this topic comes up now.
This week is National Education Week.
I get to spend half a day today in our son's third grade class.
Should be fun.

#184 chris,

Truer words have never been said. In its current condition, it's a disgrace.

In our district they actually do a pretty good job with history - it's math, english and reading that worry me. The kind of individualized teaching that occurs in elementary school disappears in middle and high school, and the kids suffer.

Anybody heard from Mama Winger? How's the Little?

#162 EC Marm 11/14/2006 04:13AM PST
WTF? Mohammed was one of the first feminists?
Scholar: Oppression of Women in Muslim Countries Not Widespread

It must be true. You dont hear feminists complaining about honor killing, Islamic rape laws and such.

#187 g g

I'm afraid that example is representative of a huge proportion of public education in this country. So many wasted opportunities. Not to mention the substituting of indoctrination for education. It is child abuse, writ large, if you ask me.

#197 Village Idiot's Apprentice 11/14/2006 04:56AM PST

Our son is 8 years old.
So we are heavily invested in the whole NCLB brewhaha.
And don't get me started about the "New, New Math". I could write a book about that topic.

Funny this topic comes up now.
This week is National Education Week.
I get to spend half a day today in our son's third grade class.
Should be fun.

Village, you are behind the times. This is not New New Math.........the current version is somewhere approaching Revised, New & Improved, Re-revised New New Math.

Homeschool :)

# 189 realwest

I have no bloody idea how long I'm here for. As usual. I'm losing hope for a Thanksgiving at home, though.

Mikey,

Us Jewish kids didn't have no nuns! ;-)

{realwest!} Not yet.

# 196 quiet man

More or less.

Math needs to be marketed better, and taught by a better way than rote. Rote is good in math, but without visualzation of what you are doing it isnt effective. It wasnt until I understood what I was doing visually that it all clicked for me

#201 christheprofessor 11/14/2006 04:58AM PST

#187 g g

I'm afraid that example is representative of a huge proportion of public education in this country. So many wasted opportunities. Not to mention the substituting of indoctrination for education. It is child abuse, writ large, if you ask me.

I agree. The big thing even most who recognize public "education" as indoctrination almost always fail to address, though, is "indoctrination for what purpose?' My answer: the creation of a very large pool of life-forms fit only for slave labor, too poorly educated to even consider rebellion. We are headed for a third world dictatorship hand over fist...... and most dance merrily along to be "multicultural" and provide "equal opportunity."

#167 Jim in Virginia

Does anyone else wonder if the sudden "let's talk nice to Iran?" is a feint- disinformation?

It is not a feint, it is not disinformation, it is not a clever ploy, it is not a trick to outsmart Iran.

It is feeding the alligator, crocodile, lion, shark and various other carnivorous beasts, hoping and praying that they will not attack you next. The writing on the wall about how Iran will be handled has been around for months, President Bush may have said all options were "on the table" but he never failed to stress and say firstly that he wants Iran to be handled via negotiations.

Negotiations with Iran & Syria are a direct result of that policy and don't think that President Bush didn't consult with Tony Blair before Blair made such statements. The population of the United States is being made ready for the inevitable, which is a nuclear armed Iran, negotiations, etc. We only have a few more months left before the Iraqi Survey Group files its report of suggestions and the odds are that Baker and the rest of his cohorts will suggest negotiations with Iran and Syria amongst others.

President Bush, poker player extraordinaire, shall make an announcement that will go something like this: "After careful discussions and deliberations, having reviewed what the Iraq Study Group report, having consulted with my good friend Tony Blair, etc. I have given permission for James Baker III to meet at the negotiating table with Iranian representatives in order to work out our differences."

Besides, it has been reported that President Bush has already given James Baker permission to speak with his Iranian counterparts. It may be a surprise for some, it will certainly not be a surprise to me.

#207 galloping granny 11/14/2006 05:01AM PST

#201 christheprofessor 11/14/2006 04:58AM PST

#187 g g

I'm afraid that example is representative of a huge proportion of public education in this country. So many wasted opportunities. Not to mention the substituting of indoctrination for education. It is child abuse, writ large, if you ask me.

I agree. The big thing even most who recognize public "education" as indoctrination almost always fail to address, though, is "indoctrination for what purpose?' My answer: the creation of a very large pool of life-forms fit only for slave labor, too poorly educated to even consider rebellion. We are headed for a third world dictatorship hand over fist...... and most dance merrily along to be "multicultural" and provide "equal opportunity."

Multiculturalism is a great evil. Id like someone to point out where MC is a success. All it does it create nations within nations.

#206 quiet man 11/14/2006 05:01AM PST

Math needs to be marketed better, and taught by a better way than rote. Rote is good in math, but without visualzation of what you are doing it isnt effective. It wasnt until I understood what I was doing visually that it all clicked for me

Math does not need to be "marketed" better. It needs to be taught by people who know mathematics - which it currently is not and has not been for some years.

Both visual and rote components are required for a complete understanding of math.

#190 Jim in Virginia

You know, I actually had the same thought before I posted that, and almost didn't...

#191 VIA

If we start teaching American History, there's gonna be a lot of kids asking "Didn't we learn anything from this?".
From a Democratic view point, it's better to keep them uneducated about our past.

Yup. Really, it's more insidious than that. They deliberately don't teach US history (except that the US is never right or good) such that the younger generations have no clue what went into achieving and maintaining freedom -- that much easier for their leftist overlords to take it away from the sheeple they've failed to educate.

Then there's the don't educate them, keep them dependent on the government part. Fifth and sixth generation welfare recipients in New Orleans, too damned stupid to get out of the way of a hurricane...

I could go on...

Last week we had an IEP meeting to address how our son is progressing, and if any modifications needed to be done.
The school shrink said "I observed Little VIA for 16 minutes today and he was off task 50% of the time. his attention span is getting worse"

I pointed out that she had not spent a moment with him since 1st grade, and then took a single snapshot. Hardly the way to form an opinion.

The Principle then told the shrink that she personally had just spent math class with him, and found him to be completely engaged, and verbally mastering the concepts.

It was a very polite ""STFU, and STFD" to the shrink.

I like the Principle

Anyone think Israel will say fvck it and go after Iran before they get the bomb?

# 204 littleoldlady

I got news for you. Catholics are kinda short on nuns these days, too.

Iran just helped negotiate with Israel and lebanon using some of their best diplomats: Hezzbollah. The negotiations broke down when Isreal disengaged...The results did look promising for a while.

#204 littleoldlady 11/14/2006 04:59AM PST

Mikey,

Us Jewish kids didn't have no nuns! ;-)

Nope, but you had a cultural and religious background that values education above nearly all else. You didn't need nuns.

#181 {realwest}
Good morning!
I feel like we're just sitting here...waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I do not like what I am hearing.

If I don't make it back due to my posting problems, someone be sure to ask lawhawk about Michael Ratner (^#157^), who's outfit is heading up the German trial of Rumsfeld.

#213 Elric66 11/14/2006 05:04AM PST

Anyone think Israel will say fvck it and go after Iran before they get the bomb?

Not unless there is a coup.

#218 galloping granny 11/14/2006 05:06AM PST

#213 Elric66 11/14/2006 05:04AM PST

Anyone think Israel will say fvck it and go after Iran before they get the bomb?

Not unless there is a coup.

Ive been pushing for a coup in Israel. Hope Israel wakes up.

#195 g g

I agree that it isn't happening, and frankly, I am royally pissed that the Repubs had Congress and the presidency and did absolutely nothing. We had the opportunity to fix the revisionist history you describe, but blew it.

#198 littleoldlady

As somebody noted above, I think it becomes more babysitting than education after a certain point. Not at all places, obviously, but at a shameful number.

GG I think it is marketing..and the evidence is that so many people *hate* math when in fact (tho only at the lower levels)) there is only one answer, and one that can be verified. "Math is too hard" is a marketing failure on the part of those people who cannot fully engage their students.

#187 galloping granny

She failed to tell her that it was because the bright ones would have given up in discouragement.

I think some of the teachers give up in discouragement, too.

Last week a "Monitor" (i.e., head snitch and apple polisher for the Dept. Chair) sat in on my lecture and took notes on the class. Yesterday I get called by this snitch and told they are upset that I'm not teaching in the approved manner (I should be breaking the class up into groups and letting them "socialize", i.e., teach themselves), and they don't like my tests either. Said I could expect to get a call from the Dept. Chair and admonished. I told the monitor to tell the Dept. Chair (whom I'm certain was listening in on another line) that if she is stupid enough to make that phone call to me, they can look for another Econ Prof.

I speak as someone who failed algebra in high school and went on to major in math in college

#209 Elric

Multiculturalism is a great evil.

I believe its synonym is balkanization...

GG

The other terms for the current math are

1. A river of knowledge, a mile wide and an inch deep.

2. A confusing presentation of facts that resemble a "Tokyo Nights" skyline. So confusing and distracting that no-one can focus on it.

Recently the NCTM (National Council of Teachers of Mathematics, the ones who brought us "New Math" reversed their opinion, and stated that the rote memorization of math facts is a necessary portion of math.

I brought that up during a recent school "Math Night" meeting where the New Math was being extolled as the be all, end all path to success.

You could have heard a pin drop

#217 {J.D.} What posting problems? I'll try to ask lawhawk about it, but I'm only out here for a brief time this morning, I've got an early morning (for me) date with a periodondist to get root scaling and planning on the entire right side of my mouth.
Oh. Joy.

#212 Village Idiot's Apprentice

It was a very polite ""STFU, and STFD" to the shrink.

Back in my day, 50's & 60's, teachers taught for students to pass tests. I can't tell you how many times I heard "pay attention, this will be on the test." Kids have always studied to pass tests, and in so doing they occasionally learn something. If it weren't for tests, the majority of students would do no studying. You will have a hard time convincing me that NCLB is the bad guy in this situation.

Village Idiot's Apprentice rote memorization is very good when learning structure and what needs to be done next...that and identities and formula. I just wish someone had taken time to let me know what was happeneing and why. That didnt happen till college

#223 quiet man - LOL! I did "A" work in Algebra, it wasn't until trigonometry that I decided on history/ply sci as majors! LOL!

#227 Babba
Yup

#222 3 wood 11/14/2006 05:09AM PST

#187 galloping granny

She failed to tell her that it was because the bright ones would have given up in discouragement.

I think some of the teachers give up in discouragement, too.

Last week a "Monitor" (i.e., head snitch and apple polisher for the Dept. Chair) sat in on my lecture and took notes on the class. Yesterday I get called by this snitch and told they are upset that I'm not teaching in the approved manner (I should be breaking the class up into groups and letting them "socialize", i.e., teach themselves), and they don't like my tests either. Said I could expect to get a call from the Dept. Chair and admonished. I told the monitor to tell the Dept. Chair (whom I'm certain was listening in on another line) that if she is stupid enough to make that phone call to me, they can look for another Econ Prof.

Even in uni economics now, huh? Sad. The elementary teachers never "gave up" - they just got replaced with a new crop that is barely literate themselves.

I'm seriously starting to wonder if we are not going to have to homeschool university too. The list of where we will not send the kiddo gets longer by the day.

granny,

Nope, but you had a cultural and religious background that values education above nearly all else. You didn't need nuns.

What we had were a bunch of blue-haired or green-haired old ladies who really knew their stuff and left their politics at home!

In my daughter's school the teachers in the English department are all liberals, the science teachers are all Republicans, and the history teachers at least make a show of being apolitical.

Except AP Government. That teacher is proudly conservative, as are almost all of the kids in that class. Makes sense when you think about it. Why would a liberal study the Constitution? Rules and laws are baaaaaad!

Guys and gals,

You will never revitalize the American public school system until you get a higher quality parent that not only demands results and believes in accountability, but who honestly love their children.

And from what I'm beginning to witness in the world today, I have decided the amoral, the slothful, the liberally confused, the selfish, and the stupid outnumber the sane people I see post here on the board.

If I'm wrong, how did Bill Clinton stick around for 8 long years acting more like a french whore than the leader of the free world?

# 225 VIA

Heh. I'm still, lo these decades later, trying to figure out what the hell all that nonsense RE "sets" was about. If they wanted to teach us Boolean algebra, why in hell didn't they just get on with it ? That's the only possible connection I've seen. And that just might have been beeter placed after algebra, IMHO.

#212 Village Idiot's Apprentice - Morning my friend! Sounds like you have an exciting day coming up!
Quick question: on yesterday's Dead Thread, there was a lot of talk about the Chinese diesel sub surfacing, undetected, within 8,000 meters of the Kitty Hawk and it's battle group - a battle group that apparently included two attack subs.
You have any thoughts on that matter?

#228 windybon 11/14/2006 05:11AM PST

Back in my day, 50's & 60's, teachers taught for students to pass tests. I can't tell you how many times I heard "pay attention, this will be on the test." Kids have always studied to pass tests, and in so doing they occasionally learn something. If it weren't for tests, the majority of students would do no studying. You will have a hard time convincing me that NCLB is the bad guy in this situation.

The difference is in the test. Back in the 50's and 60's you were given X amount of material to learn and then you were expected to sit an examination on that material.

NCLB is not that kind of testing - more like the California Achievement Tests we used to take. Very general really. But the teachers spend so much time teaching children how to take this kind of test that they have no time to teach content. Moreover, the stupid things are structured so that a "successful" school has to show better scores each and every year. The thing is though, those tests are "normed" so no matter what you do or how you do it, a full half of all students are going to achieve "below average." We cannot all score 98th percentile.

Mornin' All.
Can't get into yesterdays first thread.
Any word on Hazan?

About 10 years ago, I considered creating a system to manage home-school education. One of the things I thought about doing was digging up some of the math, english, basic science, and history books that had been used in the 20s and 30s to cull out the ways things like math were taught (some things, like science, would need to be updated, of course). (A marketing angle was that these techniques worked so well for the Greatest Generation, they'll work for the current generation.)

The subjects would be modularized, with different versions of the same material, where possible (e.g., basic math from the 20s vs. a more current method). Parents could choose which they wanted for their children.

Maybe one day...

#226 {realwest}
I have to hit preview and/or post this comment repeatedly, and every time I do the boxes move up the page incrementally until finally it works...or not. Oh, also the thread gets wider and wider as this happens. I have done everything I can think of.
It's frustrating. :(

Sorry you have to go to the periodontist.
Ask him about this stuff while you're there.
[Link: www.sinclairpharma.com...]
It's new.

#222 3Wood,

Last week a "Monitor" (i.e., head snitch and apple polisher for the Dept. Chair) sat in on my lecture and took notes on the class. Yesterday I get called by this snitch and told they are upset that I'm not teaching in the approved manner (I should be breaking the class up into groups and letting them "socialize", i.e., teach themselves), and they don't like my tests either. Said I could expect to get a call from the Dept. Chair and admonished. I told the monitor to tell the Dept. Chair (whom I'm certain was listening in on another line) that if she is stupid enough to make that phone call to me, they can look for another Econ Prof.

They're doing this crap at a college? What happened to the simple student evaluations of the professor? Isn't that what is supposed to count?

I guess along with the new math comes new economics. Throw the supply/demand curves out the window - what we need is better dialogue in a group setting!

#229 quiet man

Rote memorization when combined with some of the concepts of new math is a good thing.

What NCTM did was cause an over reaction.
The rote memorization was totally skipped, and the focus was on what I call "Free Range Math".

Because the addition and subtraction tables were ignored, every time a student encountered a math problem, it caused a pause while the answer was re-investigated.

Commit the answers to memory, then explore the concept of how the answer was derived.

What that does, is allow the rapid processing of routine math problems.
It also allows the restructuring of off-beat or unique math situations to allow solving.

But when each common problem becomes an experiment in discovering the solution, you wind up with kids trying to make change for a dollar, and straining their brain.

The sad thing is that, even in college studying for a degree in geology, there was never even a hint that a statistics course might be a good idea. Boy - was that ever a major error in judgement. Things have gotten a lot more numerical since way back then.

#203 Mike C. - NO Thanksgiving at home? Why, that's just plain un-American! Uh, wait a minute.
What about Christmas (or to be P.C. - Winter Festival
Time)? Got a shot at getting home for that?

#222 3 wood

It's not unusual for there to be some observations of untenured profs. I was observed also. However, I got to choose the profs and the days they would observe.

We use a fair number of adjuncts, and one of the other department chairs suggested dropping in unannounced on their classes. I told him (and the others around) that that was bullshit and an insult to the prof -- if there's any doubt, they shouldn't have been offered the class in the first place. If there are issues, there are other ways to uncover and remedy them.

If I were you, I'd be livid at those assholes...

#238 idigscotch&scotchburiesme
Not a peep on Hazan.

Morning realwest.
I think the sub was vectored to where the BG would be, then at the proper time, it popped to the surface.
No big deal.

I personally spent many years sitting on top of Soviet subs tracking their every move.

With a Diesel sub, sooner or later they have to come up to breath.

Time to go to school!
BBL

#225 Village Idiot's Apprentice 11/14/2006 05:10AM PST

GG

The other terms for the current math are

1. A river of knowledge, a mile wide and an inch deep.

2. A confusing presentation of facts that resemble a "Tokyo Nights" skyline. So confusing and distracting that no-one can focus on it.

Recently the NCTM (National Council of Teachers of Mathematics, the ones who brought us "New Math" reversed their opinion, and stated that the rote memorization of math facts is a necessary portion of math.

I brought that up during a recent school "Math Night" meeting where the New Math was being extolled as the be all, end all path to success.

You could have heard a pin drop

ROFLMAO! The NCTM got blasted from here to hell and back by the Professors of Mathematics group a while back is why. And virtually every US elementary mathematics curriculum got put through the shredder. They were scathing in their disdain of the NCTM agenda.

Not to mention that no matter how you cut it up, multiply it and divide it again, the foundation on which virtually all math sets is the multiplication tables. If you do not know them then you will much sooner than later have all of math tumble round your ears. Literally nothing that follows is comprehensible if you don't grasp multiplication.

No matter how bright the child, no matter how many games, puzzles and so on you use, the multiplication tables sooner or later have to be memorized. Rote is boring, but it is faster.

"out of context", my ass.
This guy must be a democrat.

ctp,

Haven't see you in a while. How are things down your way?

Someone mentioned Amalie resurfaced? Does she have a new nic?

I had some cable problems myself last night, as well as blogger issues, so I don't think I commented.

I see Hazan has the same post up as yesterday at his website.

#240 J.D. - As you might expect, techie that I am, the only solution I could offer you would be to reboot and try again!
As to the Decapinol I'll mention it, but my biggest problem is with tooth decay; apparently, according to my peridontist, my cancer meds have accelerated the decay to the point where I need TONS of dental work, crowns, extractions, implant, new bridge etc. etc.
Shit.
Good luck with your 'puter and LGF!

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Link

Morning All!

Looks like it was a quiet dead-thread night. Did I miss anything worthwhile?

morning all ..... i had to tell my son who is eighth grade, we held him back in kindergarden. that i can no longer help math wise. algebra in that grade is nuts in our school system.

#250 jwf

Hi. I've been very busy at work, so I haven't been on nearly as much as I like to be.

I only lurked a bit on that thread yesterday, so I'm not too informed on the Hazan thing. I hope he's okay...

I didn't realize Amalie had dropped out -- seems like I've seen here relatively recently posting...

#224 christheprofessor 11/14/2006 05:10AM PST
#209 Elric

Multiculturalism is a great evil.

I believe its synonym is balkanization...

Balkanization is a good term. Next time a lib brings up the joys of multiculturalism, I ll ask them if they mean balkanization. :-)

You listening Condhimmi Rice?

Fatah's Al-Aksa Brigades and Others Declare War on America
16:18 Nov 13, '06 / 22 Cheshvan 5767
by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz

Four Palestinian Authority terrorist groups, including that of PA President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah organization, called on Muslims worldwide to attack America "with no mercy."

In a joint statement issued on Sunday, the four groups announced that the United States will be a target for them to the same extent Israel is. They warned that they will attack American targets because of "American support for Israeli crimes and acts of massacre, such as the one in Beit Hanoun."

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

# 244 realwest

No worries there. The second half of December is inviolate, and I tell every client that up front. That encompasses both Christmas and my wedding anniversary, the only two holiday/family things I have never, ever missed in all these years. This ain't goona break that record, I assure you.

#256 elric

In one of his columns probably a decade ago, Thomas Sowell laid out how multiculturalism = balkanization.

It's all part of a divide and conquer strategy...

#241 goodbye_natalie - Morning to ya! Student evaluations are worthless. We actually did a study and guess what we found? An incredibly strong correlation between how the students ranked or evaluated a professor with how good a grade they thought they were going to get in that course!
I'm with CtP at #245 on this one.

#239 christheprofessor 11/14/2006 05:18AM PST

About 10 years ago, I considered creating a system to manage home-school education. One of the things I thought about doing was digging up some of the math, english, basic science, and history books that had been used in the 20s and 30s to cull out the ways things like math were taught (some things, like science, would need to be updated, of course). (A marketing angle was that these techniques worked so well for the Greatest Generation, they'll work for the current generation.)

The subjects would be modularized, with different versions of the same material, where possible (e.g., basic math from the 20s vs. a more current method). Parents could choose which they wanted for their children.

Maybe one day...

Lots of that has been done christheprofessor...especially in math, reading and grammar. The one elementary math curriculum the Math Professors (who are all mathematicians that teach not teachers who math) liked is also one of the most widely used among homeschoolers. Quite good, I've changed it very little though I do supplement with NRICH. (google it if you're into math puzzles)

Virtually all homeschoolers use the same phonics programs that we learned to read on (none of that "cheating by sounding out the word" business someone mentioned a while back).

There are superb science resources available as long as you frequent NASA and stay out of the "science curriculum kits" arena, other than Lego.

The tough one to find good resources for is History - but even that isn't bad if you're willing to wade through piles of junk to find the gold.

Now, if somebody ever revived the Palmer Method they would make a mint.

What a MoronAnnan links Arab-Israel to broad conflict Mon Nov 13, 9:17 AM ET

ISTANBUL, Turkey - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Monday that any effort to stop growing violence between Islamic and Western societies must include an end to the Arab-Israeli conflict.

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Annan spoke after receiving a report from a high-level group of experts on ways to alleviate Muslim-Western clashes and misunderstandings.

"We may wish to think of the Arab-Israeli conflict as just one regional conflict amongst many," said Annan, who leaves his post at the end of the year. "It is not. No other conflict carries such a powerful symbolic and emotional charge among people far removed from the battlefield."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Yeah Kofi. Muslims in SE Asia killing Buddists is because of Israel

#254 hayseed

Don't feel bad, my double major was math (till I got ran over by that particular truck later on and had to drop it), my kids bring me stuff from their math class I don't recognize at all.

I think their liberal textbook makers are just making stuff up.

Whatever it is, it isn't real math (wish I had a good example off the top of my head).

# 217 VIA

Perhaps. But if they popped up in torpedo range as a complete surprise, my bet is that some ASW senior officer is headed for the beach and early retirement. That ain't supposed to happen.

#259 christheprofessor 11/14/2006 05:32AM PST
#256 elric

In one of his columns probably a decade ago, Thomas Sowell laid out how multiculturalism = balkanization.

It's all part of a divide and conquer strategy...

He was dead on about that. Just look at France and the UK today. Perfect examples of the curse of multculturalism

ALgebra. Ha. First year of it, class size about 30, bombed it completely. Summer school, class size about five, "A+" on every test. Went on to use algebra for about 15 years of computer programming in about five different languages.

Funny thing, the taxpayers in Florida decided to restrict class sizes, even though it would increase taxes. Politicians turned around and dumped "impact fees" on new home purchasers to pay for the additional cost of schools and teachers.

#261 g g

Yes, I figured a bunch of people had to be doing it by now...

Good to hear there are good systems out there from which parent can choose.

Still say it's a damn shame the taxpayer gets so little bang screwed for his or her educational tax-buck.

Call to bridge West-Muslim divide

A cross-cultural group of 20 prominent world figures has called for urgent efforts to heal the growing divide between Muslim and Western societies.

The chief causes of the rift are not religion or history, they say, but recent political developments, notably the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Their findings were presented to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan at a ceremony in Istanbul on Monday.

No other dispute had such a symbolic or emotional impact on people, he said.

"We may wish to think of the Arab -Israeli conflict as just one regional conflict among many. But it is not," Mr Annan said.

"As long as the Palestinians live under occupation, exposed to daily frustration and humiliation, [recognize that language? bz]and as long as Israelis are blown up in buses and in dances halls, so long will passions everywhere be inflamed."

[SNIP] (Bold mine)

Can you say CALIPHATE? I knew that you could.

Read the rest HERE

#251 realwest 11/14/2006 05:27AM PST

#240 J.D. - As you might expect, techie that I am, the only solution I could offer you would be to reboot and try again!

And other than that, try clearing the cache. If it is a Wind-DOZE, I've found you might need to clear 2X and then reboot. Usually fixes stuff though. Of, if DSL also reboot the router.