Uncritical stories from the media?

Now there's a shock!

Not surprised.

Olmert:

PM: We will leave 'large territories' for peace

Bad things are afoot. Israel is clearly being leaned on more heavily than ever.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert laid out a far-reaching vision of peace on Monday, reaffirming that Israel would be willing to withdraw from a great deal of territory in return for peace.

He stressed that if the Palestinians responded, Israel would significantly reduce the roadblocks, increase freedom of movement, open and improve border crossings for goods and merchandise, and release Palestinian tax revenues held in Israel since Hamas's victory in last January's elections.

So are they deliberately trying to propagandize for the enemy or are they simply stupid?

#4

He's no Sharon, that's for sure.

#3 Spiritualized 11/27/2006 11:56AM PST

Olmert:

PM: We will leave 'large territories' for peace

Bad things are afoot. Israel is clearly being leaned on more heavily than ever.

Well turning over Gaza worked out so well why not? Oh wait land for peace didnt work then. Nevermind

Yet another success for an Army of Davids.

#6 looking closely 11/27/2006 12:00PM PST

#4

He's no Sharon, that's for sure.

He is more like a Dhimmi Carter

A few have asked me if Centcom has issued a official Press Release yet. My contact at Centcom told me they are waiting to get a response from the AP before they do.

Why?

So, I just carefully read the whole Flopping Aces piece, and the upshot is:

Some guy claiming to be an Iraqi police captain is frequently interviewed by MSM "reporters" who report his words as fact. But it turns out that the guy isn't a police captain at all, and is probably an enemy "insurgent" (i.e. terrorist) posing as a police captin to feed propaganda to the willing shills of the MSM, who never bothered to verify any of his stories or check on his identity.

As we concluded before, the media is either a. totally incompetent, or b. willing participants in journalistic fraud, created with an intentional anti-American intent.

I tend to lean toward b.

. Captain Jamil Hussein is Iraq's Green Helmet Guy.

#11 zombie 11/27/2006 12:02PM PST

So, I just carefully read the whole Flopping Aces piece, and the upshot is:

Some guy claiming to be an Iraqi police captain is frequently interviewed by MSM "reporters" who report his words as fact. But it turns out that the guy isn't a police captain at all, and is probably an enemy "insurgent" (i.e. terrorist) posing as a police captin to feed propaganda to the willing shills of the MSM, who never bothered to verify any of his stories or check on his identity.

As we concluded before, the media is either a. totally incompetent, or b. willing participants in journalistic fraud, created with an intentional anti-American intent.

I tend to lean toward b.

I vote for B as well

Okay go read this story which I got from a link over on the right hand side also from the AP. Besides the sources who were not authorized to speak to the press there is this bit which just doesn't flow with what the story purports to be about.

Two mortar rounds hit the pipeline filtering facility 15 miles northwest of Kirkuk, according to an official at the North Oil Co., speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters.

The fire was burning out of control and could take hours or longer to extinguish, and the flow of oil from all of Kirkuk's rich fields has been shut down to the massive Beiji refinery to the southwest, the official said.

After the F-16CG jet went down, a witness said other U.S. warplanes rushed to the crash site about 20 miles northwest of Baghdad and circled above it. The U.S. military, which released a statement on the crash, did not have any information on the suspected cause or the fate of the pilot.

But Al-Jazeera television showed videotape of the wreckage in a field and what appeared to be portions of a tangled parachute nearby, and the broadcaster said the video included scenes of the dead pilot but that they were too graphic to air.

I did not cut a thing. It went from mortar rounds on a pipeline to a crashed F16 jet. The two incidents are not related.

Was going to say OT, but looks like people are bringing it up already;

Palestinians insist right of return is 'sacred'

The Palestinian Authority on Monday gave a lukewarm reaction to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's offer to withdraw from large parts of the West Bank and return to the negotiating table, while Hamas described the statements as a "conspiracy."

"Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's statements are not in accordance with the road map and the [2002] Arab peace initiative," said Nabil Abu Rudaineh, a spokesman for PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.

"We want the implementation of the United Nations resolutions concerning the establishment of a Palestinian state within the territories that were occupied in 1967. With regards to the issue of the refugees, we want a solution based on United Nations resolution 194."

Abu Rudaineh added that the Palestinians remain committed only to the road map and the Arab peace initiative as the only way to achieve peace in the Middle East. "The only way to achieve peace is by implementing the road map and the Arab peace initiative, and not by coming up with new initiatives," he said. "We need serious negotiations and actions, not only words."

Once again,we are hoping that facts will make them admit their treasonous actions and do better. The legacy media and all its "sources" will not stop the onslaught against all that is decent and good.If we are not going to try them then at least let them rot.

I'm with zombie.

I really, really hate having my sources of information corrupted.

Now I want a really big retraction, and an explanatory story.

Then I want the reporters to get out of the Green Zone and go find their own stories.

#5 looking closely
So are they deliberately trying to propagandize for the enemy or are they simply stupid?

That's the eternal question.

I know plenty of reporters, and the general mindset is so unrelentingly "leftist" that they themselves are no longer interested in the concept of objective truth. If a story serves a (propagandistic) purpose, then it is "truthy" enough. "Fake but accurate" is actually a philosophy they are proud of.

Put my name down for option B

They've been well and truly owned, but i bet we won't hear anything about this from the msm - "green helmet guy" redux...

Newsbusters has picked up the story...
It's Official: Media Body Burning Story is Bogus
...but no MSM coveage (yet). Don't forget to Digg it.

#5 looking closely 11/27/2006 11:59AM PST

So are they deliberately trying to propagandize for the enemy or are they simply stupid?

Why cant they be both?

#15 Kragar (proud to be kafir) 11/27/2006 12:05PM PST

Was going to say OT, but looks like people are bringing it up already;

Palestinians insist right of return is 'sacred'

The Palestinian Authority on Monday gave a lukewarm reaction to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's offer to withdraw from large parts of the West Bank and return to the negotiating table, while Hamas described the statements as a "conspiracy."

"Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's statements are not in accordance with the road map and the [2002] Arab peace initiative," said Nabil Abu Rudaineh, a spokesman for PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.

"We want the implementation of the United Nations resolutions concerning the establishment of a Palestinian state within the territories that were occupied in 1967. With regards to the issue of the refugees, we want a solution based on United Nations resolution 194."

Abu Rudaineh added that the Palestinians remain committed only to the road map and the Arab peace initiative as the only way to achieve peace in the Middle East. "The only way to achieve peace is by implementing the road map and the Arab peace initiative, and not by coming up with new initiatives," he said. "We need serious negotiations and actions, not only words."

Im sure Olmert will offer that too. Why would he want to destroy Israel slowly when he can do it quickly with a mass influx of Palis.

Funny

Jay Leno: "Long-time congressional leader Charles Rangel has announced he wants to bring back the draft. Bring back the draft. Well this could get a lot more guys signing up for ROTC. I was in that. I was in ROTC. 'Run Off To Canada.'"

Elric66

So, how did the doc visit go ? Well, I hope.

#11 zombie
Add in c. lazy d. too frightened to leave their hotel and e. all the above.
I pick e, all the above.

Like I said in the last thread, we are being fed, and influenced by, bullshit.

#24 Mike C. 11/27/2006 12:13PM PST

Elric66

So, how did the doc visit go ? Well, I hope.

Just more skin cancer to be taken out. Thanks for asking.

#7 Elric66

Well turning over Gaza worked out so well why not? Oh wait land for peace didnt work then. Nevermind

Olmet is a tool (and not in a good way, either). And I hate to say it, but so was Sharon. Land for Peace is a stupid, wrong-headed idea, akin to appeasement. Period.

#21 Kragar

I don't actually believe these journalists are stupid (leaving option A, deliberate propagandists).

And you have to figure that for every fakery that is exposed, like this one (maybe not even widely), there are dozens more that are not.

Elric66
Basel cell I trust?

#

27 Golem Akbar 11/27/2006 12:16PM PST

#7 Elric66

Well turning over Gaza worked out so well why not? Oh wait land for peace didnt work then. Nevermind
Olmet is a tool (and not in a good way, either). And I hate to say it, but so was Sharon. Land for Peace is a stupid, wrong-headed idea, akin to appeasement. Period.

Sharon was bad too but not like Olmert. Israel needs Beni now. Of course haveing Condhimmi Rice as SOS doesnt help much

Breaking News:
Our source, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters, has verified that the Associated Press is a racketeering influenced corrupt organization.

Don't forget these are allegedly "professional" journalists who have editors and filters and all that good stuff and aren't just some slob bloggers sitting around in their jammies who don't understand the subtle nuances of that the highminded "professionals" have with their years of training and experience at making shit up.

They don't care about the source so long as they can deliver their agenda-driven message.

#29 easy 11/27/2006 12:18PM PST

Elric66
Basel cell I trust?

I think so. Its the non deadly kind. I just will be going back as more pop up. Curse of being fair skinned growing up in South Florida

Wow-lying Arabs...now that's news!

/kidding

I wonder how many Palestinian "doctors" and other assorted "inspectors" have been invented, too.

The MSM gained enormous momentum on Nov. 7 in their goal to destroy the USA and establish the caliphate...With this we will see increased efforts by them to seal our fate...

#26 Elric66

Refuah Shlemah.

#30 Elric66

Israel needs Beni now

You mean Bibi, right? I agree, if so. But so does the US, unfortunately.

#36 WriterMom 11/27/2006 12:23PM PST

#26 Elric66

Refuah Shlemah.

Thanks I think, :-)

#37 Golem Akbar 11/27/2006 12:24PM PST

#30 Elric66

Israel needs Beni now
You mean Bibi, right? I agree, if so. But so does the US, unfortunately.

Yes, we do as well. I am equal opportunity in critizism.

Moonbat with Bush Derangement Syndrome kills himself in "protest" and no one notices:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Malachi Ritscher envisioned his death as one full of purpose... On his Web site, the 52-year-old experimental musician who'd fought with depression even penned his obituary. At 6:30 a.m. on Nov. 3 ... Ritscher, a frequent anti-war protester, stood by an off-ramp in downtown Chicago near a statue of a giant flame, set up a video camera, doused himself with gasoline and lit himself on fire ... his flaming body was supposed to be a call to the nation, a symbol of his rage and discontent with the U.S. war in Iraq. "Here is the statement I want to make: if I am required to pay for your barbaric war, I choose not to live in your world. I refuse to finance the mass murder of innocent civilians, who did nothing to threaten our country," he wrote in his suicide note. "... If one death can atone for anything, in any small way, to say to the world: I apologize for what we have done to you, I am ashamed for the mayhem and turmoil caused by my country."

There was only one problem: No one was listening.

It took five days for the Cook County medical examiner to identify the charred-beyond-recognition corpse...

"This man killed himself in such a painful way, specifically to get our attention on these things," said Jennifer Diaz, a 28-year-old graduate student who never met him but has been researching his life. Now, she is organizing protests and vigils in his name. "I'm not going to sit by and I can't sit by and let this go unheard."

... Ritscher's parents and siblings called him an intellectually gifted man who suffered from bouts of depression...

He described himself as a renaissance man who'd amassed a collection of more than 2,000 musical recordings from clubs in Chicago. He was a writer, philosopher and photographer. He was an alcoholic who collected fossils, glass eyes, light bulbs and snare drums. He paid $25 to become an ordained minister with the Missionaries of the New Truth and operated a handful of Web sites protesting the Iraq war.

A member of Mensa who claimed to be able to recite the infinite number Pi to more than 1,000 decimal places, he titled his obituary "Out of Time." ...

#38 Elric66 Refuah Shlemah: (my prayers are for you to) Get Well.

Amen.

#40 Golem Akbar 11/27/2006 12:32PM PST

#38 Elric66 Refuah Shlemah: (my prayers are for you to) Get Well.

Amen.

Thanks. Im doing ok, nothing life threatening, just a lot of scars. :-)

#35 ted

You know, normally I try and post here on LGF and make light of the topics with some humor (even if it is only me who finds it funny).

However, I cannot help but look to the heavens and pray that this country survives itself, nevermind the blood thirtsy Islamists.

Perhaps this country needs some real strife in order to engage the dangers we face today. Let's face it, the public en masse has forgotten 9/11 and the lessons that should have been learned melted away with the latest Hollywood fad or slutty headline. All in all, I have little hope that the elected leadership has our well-being in mind and absolutley no doubt that the MSM doesn't.

As usual I'll end the post with the seemingly daily response:

Pick up another 2 boxes of 165 gr. Ballistic tips on the way home. Love your children, pray for the best and prepare for the worst.

#42 Carl p

You know, normally I try and post here on LGF and make light of the topics with some humor (even if it is only me who finds it funny).

Don't stop. We need humor. Sometimes it really does help us get through the day.

#42 carl p 11/27/2006 12:33PM PST

#35 ted

You know, normally I try and post here on LGF and make light of the topics with some humor (even if it is only me who finds it funny).

However, I cannot help but look to the heavens and pray that this country survives itself, nevermind the blood thirtsy Islamists.

Perhaps this country needs some real strife in order to engage the dangers we face today. Let's face it, the public en masse has forgotten 9/11 and the lessons that should have been learned melted away with the latest Hollywood fad or slutty headline. All in all, I have little hope that the elected leadership has our well-being in mind and absolutley no doubt that the MSM doesn't.

As usual I'll end the post with the seemingly daily response:

Pick up another 2 boxes of 165 gr. Ballistic tips on the way home. Love your children, pray for the best and prepare for the worst

.

Its going to get worse before it gets better. The best thing you can do is educate your family and neighbors on the dangers of Islam. Not in a moonbat fashion but with logic and quotes from the Qur'an to back yourself up. Education on the enemy is what will save us, not political correctness. If anything, show them what Europe is like and ask them is this what they want.

Report: Iran offers atomic expertise to Algeria

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday Iran was ready to share its nuclear expertise with Algeria, Iran's student news agency ISNA reported.

"Iran is ready to hand over its experience in various fields including energy and peaceful nuclear technology to Algeria," ISNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying in a meeting with Algerian Energy Minister Chakib Khelil.

/what is so bad about industrial accidents I ask?

LOL

Transcript:

The news from Iraq is becoming grimmer every day. Over the long holiday weekend bombings killed more than 200 people in a Shiite neighborhood in Baghdad. And six Sunni men were doused with kerosene and burned alive. Shiite muslims are the majority, but Sunnis like Saddam Hussein ruled that country until the war. Now, the battle between Shiites and Sunnis has created a civil war in Iraq. Beginning this morning, MSNBC will refer to the fighting in Iraq as a civil war — a phrase the White House continues to resist. But after careful thought, MSNBC and NBC News decided over the weekend, the terminology is appropriate, as armed militarized factions fight for their own political agendas. We’ll have a lots more on the situation in Iraq and the decision to use the phrase, civil war.

So part of NBC's big decision to call it a civil war was based on a false news report.

Only transcript I could find...

# 26 Elric66

Ugh. Well, good luck with that.

#39 Chicken Kiev

Here's an additional article about that nutjob from the Milwaukee paper. Read it today, because tomorrow you have to pay for it. It's got some stuff the AP article leaves out...

Disturbingly, he claimed that one morning in 2002, with a knife "clenched in my hand," he passed Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on a Chicago street and "was acutely aware that slashing his throat would spare the lives of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people."

...you couldn't have a starker contrast between the multiple layers of checks and balances, and a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing what he thinks. ~Jonathan Klein, CBS

Ahh yes, the wonderful multiple layers of checks and balances.

I've also heard MSM say they have professional tools. In a way, this is true, because they ARE professional tools.

#42 Carl P
Pick up another 2 boxes of 165 gr. Ballistic tips on the way home. Love your children, pray for the best and prepare for the worst.

I'm with you on the above. I pray for our country. If 9/11 didn't wake us up to see the truth, if a majority are still content to live like mushrooms in the dark cave of MSM organic compost,then I would not be shocked when hard times come.

#48 HeatherRadish

From the article:

Police told the newspaper that a "homemade sign was found near his charred body that read, 'Thou Shalt Not Kill.' "

He didn't even obey his own sign.

Instead of being gumshoes, they have become gumbrains.

I don't mean to sound like a moonbat but...

Iraqi president seeks Iran's help

Obviously, we did not do a good thing in Iraq. Our goal was to stop WMDs from getting into the hands of terrorists. Now, the leading terrorist state, which is acquiring nuclear weapons as we speak, is now a critical ally of a newly formed government in Iraq that we created. And it's a lawless country full of terrorists who flocked there from all over just to fight us, and will be there after we leave, ready to work with the mullahs next door.

Iraq is an utter, miserable failure. Unless our strategy is changed 100% immediately, we will be much worse off that if we had done nothing. Our boys died for this? What a total clusterfuck.

#46 freedomplow

That's why I refuse to watch the network evening news. All total crap.

#39 Chicken Kiev

As far as I can tell, all the major media have omitted any mention of this passage from Ritscher's suicide note:

I have had one previous opportunity to serve my country in a meaningful way - at 8:05 one morning in 2002 I passed Donald Rumsfeld on Delaware Avenue and I was acutely aware that slashing his throat would spare the lives of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people. I had a knife clenched in my hand, and there were no bodyguards visible; to my deep shame I hesitated, and the moment was past.

#50 average_guy 11/27/2006 12:46PM PST

#42 Carl P
Pick up another 2 boxes of 165 gr. Ballistic tips on the way home. Love your children, pray for the best and prepare for the worst.

I'm with you on the above. I pray for our country. If 9/11 didn't wake us up to see the truth, if a majority are still content to live like mushrooms in the dark cave of MSM organic compost,then I would not be shocked when hard times come.

I fault more the MSM and our political leaders for Americans living in the dark. People put too much truth in both and if they arent honest then the masses will believe what they say. I am lucky enough to have educated myself on Islam on my own and ignore the BS out there.

#41 Elric

Thanks. Im doing ok, nothing life threatening, just a lot of scars. :-)

So can we expect to see you sitting on the deck of a boat comparing scars with the cast of "Jaws". :)

I was sending this out months ago

William Amos

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:06 am Post subject: I noticed something strange about iraqi reporting

---

Got into this serious debate about Iraq on the political board.

The lefties kept thowing quotes of all the car bombing and executions going on over in iraq.

Then I noticed something very strange. All the reports they kept showing of Iraqicar bombs came from one source. RUETERS.

I Checked other links they gave for washington post, NY Times. Ect..

ALL QUOTED RUETERS !

Im not talking about the big attacks that make headlines. They gave me a list like this

[Link: www.alertnet.org...]

FACTBOX-Developments in Iraq on June 18
18 Jun 2006 11:13:55 GMT
Source: Reuters

June 18 (Reuters) - The following are security and other developments in Iraq on Sunday as of 1100 GMT.

The new Shi'ite-led government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has vowed to rein in insurgent and sectarian violence that has killed tens of thousands of people since U.S. forces invaded Iraq in 2003.

Asterisk denotes new or updated entry.

* KIRKUK - Attackers hurled a grenade at a shop selling alcohol and seriously wounded three people in the oil city of Kirkuk, 250 km (155 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.

* NAJAF - Gunmen on Saturday evening ambushed and killed a policeman near his house in Najaf, 160 km (100 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.

* BAQUBA - Gunmen in a car shot dead three persons including two Iranians in Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - Gunmen abducted 10 workers at a bakery in northwestern Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - Six people were wounded in a mortar attack in northern Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - Ten bodies were found overnight in different parts of the capital, police said.

FALLUJA - A woman was seriously wounded when gunmen opened fire on a police vehicle taking her to hospital in the town of Falluja, 50 km (32 miles) west of Baghdad, police said.

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Yet I checked no one else (other than Middle Eastern sites) claim these attacks.

So someone in the know have any ideas ? Is Rueters passing on info it gets from suspect sources ?

#53 Lizard by the Bay 11/27/2006 12:48PM PST

I don't mean to sound like a moonbat but...

Iraqi president seeks Iran's help

Obviously, we did not do a good thing in Iraq. Our goal was to stop WMDs from getting into the hands of terrorists. Now, the leading terrorist state, which is acquiring nuclear weapons as we speak, is now a critical ally of a newly formed government in Iraq that we created. And it's a lawless country full of terrorists who flocked there from all over just to fight us, and will be there after we leave, ready to work with the mullahs next door.

Iraq is an utter, miserable failure. Unless our strategy is changed 100% immediately, we will be much worse off that if we had done nothing. Our boys died for this? What a total clusterfuck.

You can thank the MSM and the lack of resolve of America for Iraq.

#51 Ward C.

Police told the newspaper that a "homemade sign was found near his charred body that read, 'Thou Shalt Not Kill

Even sadder, the original language in the Bible is "...shall not murder" i.e. killing is not wrong in the correct context. The leftist influence in the Christian church fuzzed up that translation.

55 Shiplord Kirel

Moonbats are those people who only think death comes from the American military and never from anyone else. To them it's okay to pro-actively kill an American who serves in the military, but not to pro-actively kill any foreigner who has (past tense) killed thousands and killed thousands in an attempt to prevent future deaths.

Terror: Iran's Chief Export
From Somalia and al-Qaeda to Hamas and American Hizballah Cells
By Steve Schippert

One might ask: “Why should the average American bother reading yet another lengthy report on the threat posed by Iran?” Or, more to the point: “Why should I care? Why should I be concerned? Iran is in the Middle East and seems bent on Israel.”

The answer is because Iran’s Hizballah has active terrorist cells in the United States. This, coupled with Iran’s role as the Central Banker of International Terrorism, should compel the average American to take Iranian threats seriously – such as Ahmadinejad’s recent open Jihad ultimatum to Europe. Created by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and responsible for (among other attacks) the bombing of the US Marine Corps barracks in Beirut which killed nearly 300, Hizballah’s presence in the United States is well documented. While Iran openly states that the ‘Zionist Regime’ should be “wiped off the map” and pledges to do just that – as do Hamas and others – even Israel is referred to as the ‘Little Satan’ while America remains the ‘Great Satan.’

RTWT!

61 Hmmm, too many words there. Let's try this:

To them it's okay to pro-actively kill an American who serves in the military, but not to pro-actively kill any foreigner who has (past tense) killed thousands as a way to prevent future deaths.

#57 Grunt

So can we expect to see you sitting on the deck of a boat comparing scars with the cast of "Jaws". :)

Nice one buddy.. Someone get a towel so I can clean the Coke off my key board.

Yuck it's sticky. LOL

OT

Went into Radio-Shack this weekend, and saw one of these, but noticed they don't put it on their website ..

Wonder if it will be a hit or insult to be outraged about...

Mouse Pad Prayer Rugs:

http://www.computergear.com/percarmouspa.html

#59 Elric66

You can thank the MSM and the lack of resolve of America for Iraq.

I can also thank George W. Bush, for forgetting that first you have to win a war, decisively and completely, before you start worrying about rebuilding and winning hearts and minds. Want to know how to make primatives like tribal Arabs respect you? Show them strength. Show them that you have the power. We never did. That is a failure of vision that goes all the way to the top.

Curt = Real journalist.

#11 Hey zombie, good summation..agreed completely..

To further expand, or better yet another possibility could be that the AP reporter via stringer has made this character Capt. Jamil Hussein up. A fictitious character to combat the anonymous sources we are so fed up with. I would like to know a connection with the AP reporter or stringer/embedded reporter and the connection with the other numerous reports regarding this Capt. J. Hussein. I so not trust the media printed or otherwise. I just can`t help but to vaguely remember a NYT times reporter that recently made up stories including witnesses, times and flat out lies to certain events (some events were even made ut). I bet if flopping-aces can dig up more on the chain of evidence concerning this Capt. J. Hussein, he/she would find a common denominator of stringers. It´s also alarming that most, if not all, Broadcast MSM rely heavily on AP and Reuters for filler reporting till real biased reporters can show up on the scene.

Something else that pissed me off. after reading the whole flopping-aces active investigation blog. Centcom issues an edict to AP. But later in issuance he states, " Was this information verified by anyone else? If the source providing the information is lying about his name, then he ought not to be represented as an official IP spokesperson and should be listed as an anonymous source." the highlighted area is the friggin problem. he is in essence letting the AP go back to anonymous sources. Newsbusters just had a gig on the NYT saying to specifically pump sources as being anonymous and to dump all information pointing to your sources (the real pump-n-dump)..

It is just unbelievable how open and blatant the MSM are about their willingness to print outright propaganda pieces. It's as though they are flipping us off and saying: "Oh yeah, and what are you going to do about it?"

The day is coming when the "165 gr. Ballistic tips" just might give them their answer. When the first nukes hit here, it won't be hard to remember who helped make it possible.

#39 Chicken Kiev
#48 HeatherRadish
#55 Shiplord Kirel

I have had one previous opportunity to serve my country in a meaningful way - at 8:05 one morning in 2002 I passed Donald Rumsfeld on Delaware Avenue and I was acutely aware that slashing his throat would spare the lives of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people. I had a knife clenched in my hand, and there were no bodyguards visible; to my deep shame I hesitated, and the moment was past.

Moonbat fantasy. I don't believe for a moment that the scene described actually happend.

53...

If we quit, and leave Iraq to the mercy of Syria, Iran, and the Baker Boys, I share your conclusions. However, to date, invading Iraq revealed the UN Iraqi Oil for Food multi-billion dollar scandal, forced Libya to give up its well developed WMD program, resulted in the capture of Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas, two of the most wanted terrorists that were residing in Saddam's Iraq, eliminated Saddam's regime (including his evil sons), and forced Syria to remove its army from Lebanon. Now, following the Democratic take over of the US Congress and a growing sense of capitualtion from the Administration, Syria, Iran, Russia, and others feel emboldened. If we do not go back on the offensive, or worse, engage this evil in "diplomacy", all that we achieved in Iraq (and elsewhere) will have been for nothing.

Getting the News from the Enemy 2: Electric Boogaloo.

This link seems appropriate given the topic.

[Link: www.rangerup.com...]

#65 Zardah

What they dont tell you is it shuts your PC down 5 times a day and points your homepage to Mecca.

#15

"But Al-Jazeera television showed videotape of the wreckage in a field and what appeared to be portions of a tangled parachute nearby, and the broadcaster said the video included scenes of the dead pilot but that they were too graphic to air"

uhhh..

Too graphic for Al-Jazeera? Aren't these the people who show beheadings, burned bodies on bridges.. hmmm

#66 Lizard by the Bay

I can also thank George W. Bush, for forgetting that first you have to win a war, decisively and completely, before you start worrying about rebuilding and winning hearts and minds. Want to know how to make primatives like tribal Arabs respect you? Show them strength. Show them that you have the power. We never did. That is a failure of vision that goes all the way to the top.

I agree with your reasoning but wish to throw in one more flaw in the thinking. I remember in the early days, just afteer the real war was over and the rebuilding was begining we were inudated with the phrase "mission creep". Those in the administration in charge of pursuing this war were also around during Vietnam, I know, I know, leave the Nam comparsions out, BUT, these same people were so afraid of mission creep that in the begining they insisted that we get the job done with what we had. That along with the military and civillian planners not wanting to put all of our eggs into one basket and then be unable to respond to another attack or threat somewhere else led to the lack of force being exerted.
What was not taken into consideration was the difference between Asian thinking and Muslim thinking.
Know your enemy!

Bolton: Future of Lebanon 'may well be decided' in days

Monday, November 27, 2006

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration is facing a foreign policy crisis in Lebanon where the Iran-backed Hizbullah and Syria threaten to topple the weakened democratic government in Beirut.

"The future of the Middle East, certainly the future of Lebanon may well be decided in the next several days," U.S. envoy to the United Nations John Bolton told BBC radio. "A successful re-emergence of democracy there is being directly challenged by the terrorist Hizbullah and those who support them, Syria, Iran and others."

The U.S. dilemma is whether or not to provide up to $200 million in military aid to Lebanon over the next year...

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#59 Elrich66

You can thank the MSM and the lack of resolve of America for Iraq

You can also thank our rules of engagement and lack of aggression against bad actors both in Iraq and outside of it.

Zardah

I actually have one of those.

Never thought of it as a "prayer rug" until last week when a friend saw it, he said, "You have a prayer rug for a mouse pad?"

I guess so.

Victory would be humiliating.

We can't humiliate them.

#72 SaneinMN

If we quit, and leave Iraq to the mercy of Syria, Iran, and the Baker Boys, I share your conclusions.

Leave them to the "mercy" of Iran? They've invited Iran in. And our push for "democracy" instead of real freedom (and for those of you who don't know, there is a difference) means that we can't even criticize what the elected government of Iraq does.

Now, following the Democratic take over of the US Congress and a growing sense of capitualtion from the Administration, Syria, Iran, Russia, and others feel emboldened. If we do not go back on the offensive, or worse, engage this evil in "diplomacy", all that we achieved in Iraq (and elsewhere) will have been for nothing.

Fixing the barn door does little good when all the cows are already gone. "Go long" is no longer a serious option. "Go Big" would have been useful about a year or two ago. At this point, without a tripling of the Defense budget and a national draft, I give it less than a 50% chance of working now. That only leaves "Go Home", which I agree will only lead to further terrorist attacks on our own soil.

Which is what we need. Yes, you did read that right. Only after the American people have been shown that appeasing these devils only leads to more of our own innocent dead will the American people support the all out, no-holds-barred, balls to the wall, full-scale war against the Global Islamic Jihad. Only then will our politicains show the spine to finally name Islam as the enemy.

OT?

Has anyone else seen the Showtime mini-series (I've see two installments so far) called "Sleeper Cell"? I'd be interested in hearing any comments..

Last nights showed a liberal family's son, turned Muslim, in his disenchantment with his ultra liberal mother (A history teacher at UC Berkley who makes the statement "I like history because I can judge it and it doesn't judge me back") .. and the cell's success at getting a down and out employee of a chemical storage facility selling toxic stuff to the cell..

I'm waiting for the outrage?

http://www.sho.com/site/sleepercell/home.do

#71 Gavriel

Even if it didn't REALLY happen, it's still an interesting bit of insight into how they think. Or don't think. I'm not really sure which is more correct.

#76 Zardah

Too graphic for Al-Jazeera? Aren't these the people who show beheadings, burned bodies on bridges..

Those are dead kaffirs, they're not really people.

Quote of the Day:

If there’s one thing that Americans love, it is victory. The NYT might have bitched and whined its head off, but if Bush had piled the bodies up in Sadr City and along the borders between Iran, Syria, and Iraq, and done a Serbia on the towers of Tehran and Damascus until the Mullahs and the Baathists screamed for mercy, he’d still be running approval ratings in the high eighties.

Gates of Vienna

So, media outlets define events in Iraq as a civil war based on the bogus sources that were never ever corroborated by third parties. Wonderful. Simply wonderful.

I find it troublesome that CENTCOM isn't taking a more aggressive approach to the bogus news spewed by the likes of MSNBC and others, who rely on these sources and never bother to do even the slightest bit of fact checking.

Why should it fall to people like Curt to do the work of those within the media, let alone the military to make sure that the news we're getting is accurate. How many votes have been turned because of this guy's reporting being the source of so much 'bad news' reported on the nightly news? Wire reports carry this guy's comments without so much as a glimmer of research to ensure that any of it is accurate. It's all taken at face value.

And it was all a lie. From who the guy is to what he saw. None of it is true.

Yet, none of this will be reported with the intensity of the original reporting.

The lies circled the globe many times over before the fact and truth got their boots on.

#80 tfk

An excellent idea.

#60 average guy

Even sadder, the original language in the Bible is "...shall not murder" i.e. killing is not wrong in the correct context. The leftist influence in the Christian church fuzzed up that translation.

Um. No. However much fun blaming leftists for everything is, they weren't responsible for that translation.

Look at the King James Version, or the American (Revised) Standard.

Here's the link for the KJV: [Link: www.hti.umich.edu...]

#42 Carl P

Something to make you think: Baby's Last Christmas Ornament

#53 lizard by the bay

I don't mean to sound like a moonbat but...

Iraqi president seeks Iran's help

Obviously, we did not do a good thing in Iraq.

...Iraq is an utter, miserable failure. Unless our strategy is changed 100% immediately, we will be much worse off that if we had done nothing. Our boys died for this?

Dear Lizard,
I don't want to speak ill of a fellow lizard but I suggest perhaps you read your San Francisco/liberal press too literally and are now 100% defeatist and depressed.

Or like Sen. Chuck Hagel of NE who once had presidential ambitions of his own, you feel better trashing the President, his administration, and all our military leaders.

Or you may be some sort of military genius that ignores ALL our military experts on the ground and in the Pentagon because you HAVE A BETTER PLAN.

PS, since you missed this fact, women soldiers have died in Iraq and many families of the fallen don't think their relatives died in vain.

Your defeatism is showing.

#88 EC Marm

If there’s one thing that Americans love, it is victory. The NYT might have bitched and whined its head off, but if Bush had piled the bodies up in Sadr City and along the borders between Iran, Syria, and Iraq, and done a Serbia on the towers of Tehran and Damascus until the Mullahs and the Baathists screamed for mercy, he’d still be running approval ratings in the high eighties.

It's a nice idea, but it's hopelessly flawed.
We stacked the bodies high in Fallujah, and all the MSM would report was our own dead. It's hard to celebrate a victory no one knows about.

#82 Ben Hur

Exactly. We're trying to defeat an enemy without offending it.

83...

I seriously doubt that the average Kurd, or even the non-Madhi supporting Iraqi is begging Iran to come to the rescue. As for "going big" and the need for a draft, thats a load of crap! We NEED to change the rules of engagement. Putting 50, 100, or even 250 thousand more American soldiers in Iraq would accomplish NOTHING if they are sent there simply to police Baghdad. Several months ago, a leaked story came out of Afghanistan, indicating that military brass cancelled a proposed hit on a terrorist rich target, because such targets were attending a funeral. We identified the target, we had the personal and weapons to take out the target, we did NOT HAVE THE WILL to take out the target. How many times would you like to speculate this has occurred in the past, in both Iraq and Afghanistan? More troops, and especially a freaking draft, will not magically grant us a spine or provide us the will to do what needs to be done.

Which is what we need. Yes, you did read that right. Only after the American people have been shown that appeasing these devils only leads to more of our own innocent dead will the American people support the all out, no-holds-barred, balls to the wall, full-scale war against the Global Islamic Jihad. Only then will our politicains show the spine to finally name Islam as the enemy.

Your wish for Armageddon, unfortunately, may be granted in the near future. I wonder, following the number of deaths eclipsing that which occurred during WWII, will you be so giddy with your expectations of such a calamity?

#80 tfk
The milbloggers thing is being done. In fact it is a lot of them that kick over the rocks and get the truth. The problem is you can't get anybody to listen to them, because after all they are just bloggers.
Me, I get so frustrated at the level of ineptitude by most in the news business, both print and TV who while reading thier script or copying from the template misidentify equipment, troops, ranks, and just about everything else that I want to scream. If I see a picture of one more Canadian or British troop running in the background while the news reader is talking about some sort of American operation ongoing I am going to launch a shoe at the TV.
You want the truth, check out the Mudville Gazette and the Milbloggers

#11 zombie

B it is.

as i have said before,the single greatest threat to the civilized world is the American press.

# 58 Bill Amos
You did a nice piece of work. Your link to alertnet = 'page missing,' this page has moved.' I have that happen a lot with links in lgf. I wonder if they know we are using them and shut them down real fast?

#65 Zardah
I got one of those little rugs for my daughter a few years ago. Real cute. I just thought it was a flying carpet. She put it on the dasboard of her car. Soon after, she slammed head on into a sheriffs van full of prisoners and towing a work trailer. 9 people in the hospital, 3 totalled vehicles. She got a helicopter ride. I guess it really was a flying carpet.

#94 algerias

Or you may be some sort of military genius that ignores ALL our military experts on the ground and in the Pentagon because you HAVE A BETTER PLAN.

With all due respect to the geniuses in the Pentagon, we can no longer deny that their plans sucked. I don't live in Fantasyland. I am not a military expert, but even a dunce can figure out that what we've been doing hasn't accomplished any of our goals.

you feel better trashing the President, his administration, and all our military leaders.

Absolutely nothing about this makes me feel better. I wish it did. Do I think that Democrats would have done a better job? Absolutely not. But it doesn't let GWB off the hook. I voted for the man twice, but I have the same right to criticize him as anyone else.

PS, since you missed this fact, women soldiers have died in Iraq and many families of the fallen don't think their relatives died in vain.

Give it a few years, when we're fighting a new war with the Nuclear Iran/Iraq Shiite Alliance. And the reason I posted in the first place is because it makes me sick to my stomach to see political cowardice undo everything our fighting men and women tried to do over there.

#77 Just a Grunt

You must intimidate the suppliers. Bombs and bullets cost money, and need govt. assistance to cross borders.

While in Viet Nam we couldnt or wouldnt risk an all out confrontation with the Soviet Union, we can and could have confronted Iran and Syria.

We could have engaged in targeted assainations from our Iraqi bases of top Iranian and Syrian officials. They were briefly scared after we found Saddam.

We could have made an example of Sadir.

Bush simply lacked the will or the support for such bold decisions and once again we will lose the war after winning most if not all of the battles.

Someone in this country must show the courage to take on the media and the world's left elite in Europe head on without flinching. Not just ignore them, but attack them the way they attack you. Scare them, the Islamic protests sure scared them.

Hope this thread is still alive...

Book recommendation for the Lizardoid community, apropos of this MSM fakery subject: "How Democracies Lose Small Wars" by Gil Merom

Very interesting comparative study of the Fwench in Algeria, the Israelis in Lebanon (1982), and the US in Vietnam. All in terms of how democratic Western governments, prosecuting winnable wars against insurgents, lost their nerve and did not take necessary steps of ruthlessness, thereby setting the stage for their own (the Western democratic government military forces') humiliating withdrawals. The source of the loss of nerve? "Intelligentsia" factions, typically abetted by outsized media efforts, that shrilly protested the efficient (i.e., necessarily ruthless) prosecution of these wars as grossly compromising national values.

Merom's book came out just on the cusp of the Iraq invasion. I was sincerely looking forward to seeing his thesis being negated over the course of our efforts in Iraq--and judging from the tone of his book, I suspect Merom probably held the same hopes.

Unfortunately, however, the MSM have made what can only be termed demonically strenuous efforts to add Iraq to the empirical material going into a subsequent, revised edition of Merom's book. (Assuming he has the heart to produce it--I certainly wouldn't.)

Looks like a green helmet guy...

#94 algerias

Or you may be some sort of military genius that ignores ALL our military experts on the ground and in the Pentagon because you HAVE A BETTER PLAN.

With all due respect to the geniuses in the Pentagon, we can no longer deny that their plans sucked. I don't live in Fantasyland. I am not a military expert, but even a dunce can figure out that what we've been doing hasn't accomplished any of our goals.

you feel better trashing the President, his administration, and all our military leaders.

Absolutely nothing about this makes me feel better. I wish it did. Do I think that Democrats would have done a better job? Absolutely not. But it doesn't let GWB off the hook. I voted for the man twice, but I have the same right to criticize him as anyone else.

PS, since you missed this fact, women soldiers have died in Iraq and many families of the fallen don't think their relatives died in vain.

Give it a few years, when we're fighting a new war with the Nuclear Iran/Iraq Shiite Alliance. And the reason I posted in the first place is because it makes me sick to my stomach to see political cowardice undo everything our fighting men and women tried to do over there.

Terrorists Launch Google Guide

Because you can't spell jihad without GOOGLE.

An organization calling itself 'The Jihad Media Battalion' (alt, brigade), which is linked to al Qaeda in Iraq, has produced a 26 page guide for using the Google search engine to further the goals of the global jihad. The group was formed to promote the dissemination of al Qaeda and other Salafist jihadi propaganda.

According to the authors of the guide, the purpose of learning how to properly use Google is to

remind our Muslim brothers in general, and the mujahideen in particular, the need to learn the arts of jihad on the internet and Jihad media
...

Ironically, "photoshop tutorials" is used by The Jihad Media Battalion as an example of something a would be media jihadi might be interested in looking for on the internet. Which makes us wonder whether or not Adnan Hajj is a member of the battalion?

Book recommendation for the Lizardoid community, apropos of this MSM fakery subject: "How Democracies Lose Small Wars" by Gil Merom

Very interesting comparative study of the Fwench in Algeria, the Israelis in Lebanon (1982), and the US in Vietnam. All in terms of how democratic Western governments, prosecuting winnable wars against insurgents, lost their nerve and did not take necessary steps of ruthlessness, thereby setting the stage for their own (the Western democratic government military forces') humiliating withdrawals. The source of the loss of nerve? "Intelligentsia" factions, typically abetted by outsized media efforts, that shrilly protested the efficient (i.e., necessarily ruthless) prosecution of these wars as grossly compromising national values.

Sounds interesting, I'll have to check it out. Have you ever seen the docudrama The Battle of Algiers?

#95 Lizard by the Bay
I agree. But somehow, in the press, the perception is being created that the "war is lost". If that is so, I can think of no other war in the history of mankind that the combatants won by blowing themselves up. Or, by failing to re-claim one inch of real estate.

So...
If the MSM is being willfully ignorant in not fact checking their sources before running with juicy stories then aren't they willfully aiding our enemies?
If they are willfully aiding the enemies of the US during a time of conflict can't we start trying some of them for treason?
Or are we so PC that we will allow ourselves to be talked out of doing what we need to for survival?

This is stunning revelation, perhaps more so than the Fauxtography scandals. Can we all please forward this to our favorite (or not so favorite) politicians, military personnel etc. as the MSM will boycott this story?

OT: Steyn

Apparently, Bush said in their meeting:

‘If it is not the Crusades, it is the cartoons’.

More here!

#111 anotherindyfilmguy

So...
If the MSM is being willfully ignorant in not fact checking their sources before running with juicy stories then aren't they willfully aiding our enemies?
If they are willfully aiding the enemies of the US during a time of conflict can't we start trying some of them for treason?
Or are we so PC that we will allow ourselves to be talked out of doing what we need to for survival?

Unfortunately, a lot of lawyers are themselves leftists. Can someone forward this to a conservative attorney? I'm sure there's money to be made - with the benefit of screwing the MSM traitors/incompetents.

#70 THX-42 11/27/2006 01:02PM PST

It is just unbelievable how open and blatant the MSM are about their willingness to print outright propaganda pieces. It's as though they are flipping us off and saying: "Oh yeah, and what are you going to do about it?"

And we conservatives are largely to blame.

How many conservative readers of LGF live within easy travel distance of the New York Times HQ? How about a nice, big, noisy protest there with lots of "Protest Warrior" type signs, handouts as simple as stories covered on LGF, Zombietime, etc., and a little civil disobedience (e.g., blocking the entrance to the building) to force media coverage?

#106 lizard by the bay

It just isn't helpful to say EVERYTHING is a failure, NOTHING went well, ALL is LOST, WE are LOSERS, etc.

On some level we also have to believe the enemy--including our media such as the NYT, LA Times, WashingtonPost, whose circulations are falling--is sowing the seeds of its own destruction with our help.

Think about the LEbanon Protest Babes, for a start.

Hey, and don't look now, but someone ought to look into whether another AP stringer is making stuff up.

#11 zombie 11/27/2006 12:02PM PST

As we concluded before, the media is either a. totally incompetent, or b. willing participants in journalistic fraud, created with an intentional anti-American intent.

Zombie,

"A" is impossible. Multiple layers of people cannot be that incompetent. There is also strong evidence for collusion, e.g., coverage boycott by the MSM of the anti-Ahmadinejad rally at the UN.

The key to "b" is uncovering where the choke points are.

Wee R soft.

/kind'a like toys R' us...

The saddest thing about this is that the public and the politicians get their educations from the MSM.

AP Makes It Even Worse?

Separately, police and witnesses said U.S. soldiers shot and killed 11 civilians and wounded five on Sunday night in the Baghdad suburb of Husseiniya.

"We were sitting inside our house when the Americans showed up and started firing at homes. They killed many people and burned some houses," said one of the witnesses, a man with bandages on his head who was being treated at Imam Ali Hospital in the Shiite slum of Sadr City. The police and witnesses spoke with Associated Press Television News on condition of anonymity to protect their own security.

The military denies any operation in the area, still the AP feels compelled to print this trash from sources who won't even identify themselves?

The U.S. military said it had no record of any American military operation in the area.

Will anyone hold the AP to account? Or the above be headlining the MSM network coverage tonight?

The media is broken and it starts with the AP.

There's a Civil War going on in the United States also...the Left vs the Right. Not everyone is engaged in this Civil War, but it's happening never the less.

The only difference is that we don't use violence as a means to an end, we use elections. The Iraqis have always used violence as a means to an end. We tried to break that cycle by showing them democracy and how mature, responsible people handle disagreements.
We have shown them the high road, they've chosen the low road.

Our only hope is that there are enough moderates, and some strong leaders in that country so they can get their act together and salvage some semblence of civilization.

My hopes are fading fast.

RE: Olmert/Israel #4

I wrote this the other day after reading about the whole Israel/Palestine situation. It is half sarcasm, half serious:

So Muslims do not want non-Muslims in "Muslim lands" (i.e., anywhere in the Middle East, including Israel).

Since Israel is about the size of New Jersey, and most of the Muslim world says that the only reason they are fighting is because of Jews "occupying" Israel, I have a proposition for the terrorists.

I say we first deport every Muslim from the United States to Palestine. Every Muslim. Every man, woman and child. Deported. To Palestine.

We then import every Jew from Israel to take the place of the deported Muslims among the American population.

The Muslims could then move into Israel and have their desired land and be free of the Jews.

We would be rid of all the crying and whining and bitching and moaning from Muslims here in America feeling they are "oppressed". And the Jews would be free of being threatened with annihilation every day from Islamic wackjobs in the Middle East.

After that is completed, the Muslims would lose their main point on which to bitch and moan. They have their lands, the Jews are now in America, so they have no more reason to commit terrorism and we can get back to Democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Now, if they don't stop their terrorism, then we know they were bullsh**-ing the world the entire time, and what they really wanted all along is the restoration of the Islamic Caliphate.

If that is the case, then we can just threaten them with nuclear annihilation if they ever attack us or our allies, including our new allies in Afghanistan and Iraq, again.

Now, were this actually all that Muslims wanted, then this would be a simple solution, don't you think?

But anyone who has been paying attention knows that this has nothing to do with Israel and the Jews and everything to do with Islam.

And so long that Islam exists and is not reformed, this war will never end.

#115 I agree -

We spend lots of time preaching to the choir here on LGF. Should we not coordinate our efforts to get the truth out to a wider audience?

Bias, Bassem Mroue, and Speaking Truth to Media Power

Part of a link-o-rama on this subject over here.

#118

Actually it is a whole lot easier than it used to be. If you get news in the NYT or WaPo, odds are that it wasn't from one of their own reporters, but rather one of the big three media outlets - AP, UPI, AFP. Those three often rely on local stringers for their news. If the stringer is biased and/or operates in collusion with insurgents, all news stories from that source will be biased, regardless of whether it appears in the NYT or the Dubuque local paper or the Seattle (dumb as a) Post Intelligencer.

Since many of the US media outlets are actually cutting back on their overseas reporting bureaus, that means that the US media is increasingly reliant on those stringers and sources for stories. The chances that the stories will be bogus increase as a result. And yet the media outlets will continue cutting back because of the costs associated with keeping those foreign bureaus open.

And when AP reports from X using Y as a source, UPI and AFP will quickly approach Y to use as a source as well, and will often skip over trying to find someone else corroborating the incident/story. Thus, stories that may not even exist get into the mediastream.

#115 Eris dysionia

And we conservatives are largely to blame.

How many conservative readers of LGF live within easy travel distance of the New York Times HQ? How about a nice, big, noisy protest there with lots of "Protest Warrior" type signs, handouts as simple as stories covered on LGF, Zombietime, etc., and a little civil disobedience (e.g., blocking the entrance to the building) to force media coverage?

Quit blaming yourself for not making a big nuisance of yourself! We have to think smarter and disseminate wider what really happens, not expect the leftists to carry factual coverage much less anything that goes against their "truth to power."

Has anyone seen young conservative anti-idiotarian sometime Fox News commentator Mancow on his new Fox News program? Tucker Carlson at MSNBC is anti-idiotarian. There ARE people to whom we can direct others for factual coverage. We don't have to reinvent the wheel when Charles & Zombie and countless bloggers plus some Fox News reporters give us a clue.

Anyone see E.D. Hill reporting on radical jihadism and the movie Obsession [Link: www.obsessionthemovie.com...] ?

Let's not lose our grip or our faith in ourselves and our troops and allies.

Exclusive video of Leftdom's newest saint, Sterno of Kingsford (aka Malachi Ritscher) as he carries out his heroic act of resistance to Bushitlerite/Helliburton/Rethuglican oppression.

And can I get a WTF from the congregation on this headline at Drudge - Bush in Burka? Methinks someone picked up on Confederate Yankee's posting on the subject.

#129 Shiplord Kirel

Ohhh, that's horrible. It was almost too horrible to watch.

Almost.

#130 lawhawk

Shhh! He's working undercover!

Have your MSM news sources fact checked their news sources today? Thought not.

my my just saw Jawa's link about jihad google guide..26 pages

#131 tax free

Happy Thanksgiving Taxfree; por favor don't go blaming some Spanish construction company for fifty years of Texas' open borders problem!

(Especially since Spanish socialist Zapatero's not been in charge, nor would a red-diaper communist/socialist get his hands dirty actually making a profit the hard way.)

Viva la taxfree counter-revolucion!

freedomplow

The military denies any operation in the area, still the AP feels compelled to print this trash from sources who won't even identify themselves?

My rotating post:

All they're doing is using the same tactics that have been allowed to work against Israel for DECADES and American and European public opinion has been based on these tactics for DECADES.

I agree with your point, but the cynic in me wants to scream: "NOW, WHEN IT'S HAPPENING TO AMERICA PEOPLE GIVE A SHIT?"

#129 shiplord kirel

I gotta admit, that's funny.

Charles and the Whole Lizard World -

Do NOT let go of this one. (Channeling the late, great Frank Purdue) - THIS IS A PLUCKING SCANDAL EVERY BIT AS BIG AS THE DAN RATHER THING. fAUXTOGRAPHY AT LEAST STARTED WITH REAL PICTURES - THIS STARTS AND ENDS WITH hORSE-hOCKEY!

-S-

#14 Just_A_Grunt

I did not cut a thing. It went from mortar rounds on a pipeline to a crashed F16 jet. The two incidents are not related.

They may not be related, but they are both mentioned in the first paragraph of the story, which says:

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Mortar rounds crashed into an oil processing facility near the northern city of Kirkuk on Monday, igniting a huge blaze, and a U.S. Air Force jet with one pilot crashed while supporting American soldiers fighting in Anbar province, a hotbed of Iraq's Sunni Arab insurgency.

There's no rule that says two distinct events can't be mentioned in the same story.

Hey, we're making progress! More than half way there!

"One of the most disturbing things is that [polls show] more than half of the country views Islam as a violent or an extreme religion," says Faiza Ali, a student at Pace University, who spoke at the conference in New York.

Dhimmi Watch

And just when I thought it was safe to buy a Los Angeles Times newspaper again, they go and plaster Mr. Evil's mug all over the front page of the Calander section.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

What a waste of 50 cents...

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Mortar rounds crashed into an oil processing facility near the northern city of Kirkuk on Monday, igniting a huge blaze, and a U.S. Air Force jet with one pilot crashed while supporting American soldiers fighting in Anbar province, a hotbed of Iraq's Sunni Arab insurgency.

Mortars CRASH.

Kassams FLUTTER.

We are losing this damn war because the public has hamstrung our troops by making them follow all these f-ed-up rules of engagement.
How in hell can we stop this hamstringing? Anybody know?

ITN in the UK are currently demonizing Israel's illegal use of cluster bombs in the recent Lebanon war. The UN are making a valiant effort to clear these illegal weapons from civilian areas etc etc...
...They've moved on to the Pope being unwelcome in Turkey now.

bweep

Cluster bombs - BAD

Suicide bombers - GOOD.

#140 Dr. Shalit

Charles and the Whole Lizard World -

Do NOT let go of this one. (Channeling the late, great Frank Purdue) - THIS IS A PLUCKING SCANDAL EVERY BIT AS BIG AS THE DAN RATHER THING. fAUXTOGRAPHY AT LEAST STARTED WITH REAL PICTURES - THIS STARTS AND ENDS WITH hORSE-hOCKEY!

Agree. Time for some blogger-led investigative reporting of the MSM to a deeper level.

Where are the decision-making points in the MSM, and who makes the decisions to print or to hold? Is there a "central committee"? Where are the choke points for stories such as the anti-Ahmadinejad, pro-Israel protest by 25,000 at the UN?

Answering these questions is one key to breaking the death grip the MSM has on this country.

I can't believe it - The AP printing enemy propaganda as if it is factual.

Well...I'll be switched.
Granny Clampet

Blaming the MSM for our lack of resolve (and as a result, our lack of success) in Iraq is easy and lazy. To say that our leaders won't do the right thing in Iraq for fear of bad press is evidence of a larger problem: GWB totally and utterly failed to sell this war to the American people, and to keep selling it when things got rough.

Democrats are spineless. They'll point where the wind is blowing. They supported Bush when polls showed about a 60% support of the war. The very moment one poll dipped below 50, they turned on him, seeing Iraq as a political vulnerability and a way to regain power. Now, setting aside how disgusting such politicizing of a war is (Dems are Dems, they do what they do), we need to ask why support was lukewarm in the first place, and why it dipped so quickly the minute the first body bags came home.

If Reagan had been in the White House, this wouldn't have happened. That man fought the Cold War like he had nothing to lose. When the press was against him, he got in front of the cameras, told the press why they were wrong, and let the American people decide.

GWB might be the most camera-shy President since the invention of television. And when he does go in front of the reporters, he's a deer in headlights. They toy with him. They own his ass. It's sad, really. GWB's biggest problem is that he want's everyone to like him. And his enemies have no respect for that.

The MSM only has a monopoly on public opinion when there is no strong voice offering an alternative. And GWB is no strong voice. Even when he had strong majorities in all branches of government he let the opposition walk all over him on Social Security reform. And no one was being shot and killed overseas for that.

And now, things will get worse. Not because there is a perception that Bush is weak, but because it is a reality.

Actually I think the UK is the leader in the design and use of cluster bombs. I remember there being a fuss when they were used in the Falklands.
The British Tornado variant is also designed to distribute cluster ammunition on airfields to render them unusable.

I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if somebody has asked this question: Has anybody contacted a member of the MSM and pointed out the problems that Curt has noted? If not, Curt (or someone) should give it a try.

There's a WaPo journalist on the ground who might be interested in following up. All this would make a good story about the difficulty of getting the story straight in a dangerous, chaotic situation. (I don't think anyone is debating, for instance, the large number of deaths in the car bombings last week, so "dangerous and chaotic" doesn't sound too far out as a general characterization.

The reporter's name is Sudarsan Raghavan. According to the WaPo address convention, his email address would be raghavans@washpost.com. I've written to Post journalists with comments (both criticisms and compliments numerous times and, fairly often, I get replies fairly promptly.

"Americans know who he is, and have pretty much decided they don't like him," said Brown. He noted the poll found that 95 percent of respondents said they had heard enough about Kerry, who lost the 2004 White House race to President Bush, to rate the Massachusetts Democrat.

Mr. Kerry finished last
Out of 20 Democrat contenders for President.

Mr. Kerry dont listen to the Polls.
1439 people are not the United States..

Go ahead and run for President,
I promise to vote for you...

Heh..

The plague of falsehoods, and outright biased reporting from the MSM will not abate until many of the propagandist members begin to experience unfortunate accidents! Not that I advocate something evil, or severely painful happening to any of them!

#145 el greco

We are losing this damn war because the public has hamstrung our troops by making them follow all these f-ed-up rules of engagement.

You are spot-on, according to my son.

He says the war can not be won if we do not untie the hands of the American soldier.

Drudge is leading with photo (photoshopped?) of Bush in burka before coffin. Interesting.
See this image
[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]
Pause a moment and thank God for the patriotism of our troops. Then:
Then take Bush face into Photoshop, size, rotate, flip horizontal then lay over image. Pretty frekin close IMHO.

In case you didn;t scrool to the end, from [Link: floppingaces2.blogspot.com...]

BIG UPDATE…..Centcom has confirmed this Capt. Jamil Hussein is NOT a Police Officer nor is he employed by the Ministry of Interior:

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED

Dear Associated Press:

On Nov. 24, 2006, your organization published an article by Qais Al-Bashir about six Sunnis being burned alive in the presence of Iraqi Police officers. This news item, which is below, received an enormous amount of coverage internationally.

We at Multi-National Corps - Iraq made it known through MNC-I Press Release Number 20061125-09 and our conversations with your reporters that neither we nor Baghdad Police had any reports of such an incident after investigating it and could find no one to corroborate the story. A couple of hours ago, we learned something else very important. We can tell you definitively that the primary source of this story, police Capt. Jamil Hussein, is not a Baghdad police officer or an MOI employee. We verified this fact with the MOI through the Coalition Police Assistance Training Team.

Also, we definitely know, as we told you several weeks ago through the MNC-I Media Relations cell, that another AP-popular IP spokesman, Lt. Maithem Abdul Razzaq, supposedly of the city’s Yarmouk police station, does not work at that police station and is also not authorized to speak on behalf of the IP. The MOI has supposedly issued a warrant for his questioning.

I know we have informed you that there exists an MOI edict that no one below the level of chief is authorized to be an Iraqi Police spokesperson. An unauthorized IP spokesperson will get fired for talking to the media. While I understand the importance of a news agency to use anonymous and unauthorized sources, it is still incumbent upon them to make sure their facts are straight. Was this information verified by anyone else? If the source providing the information is lying about his name, then he ought not to be represented as an official IP spokesperson and should be listed as an anonymous source.

Unless you have a credible source to corroborate the story of the people being burned alive, we respectfully request that AP issue a retraction, or a correction at a minimum, acknowledging that the source named in the story is not who he claimed he was. MNC-I and MNF-I are always available and willing to verify events and provide as much information as possible when asked.

Very respectfully,
LT XXX

XXX X XXX
Lieutenant, U.S. Navy
MNC-I Joint Operations Center
Public Affairs Officer

Let's keep pushing this story. This is big.

We are losing this damn war because the public has hamstrung our troops by making them follow all these f-ed-up rules of engagement.

Wait. IT gets worse.

Because of the the same tactics, the Israeli Defense Forces' rules of engagement are more stringent than the NYPD.

157 EC Marm

Drudge is leading with photo (photoshopped?) of Bush in burka before coffin. Interesting.
See this image
[Link: [Link: www.defenselink.mil...]...]

Defenselink.mil not responding; what do they say?

#156 Iron Fist

My son and I were talking today while we were out shopping for a truck. He said the soldiers can't do their jobs over there.

Good thing I wasn't in that airport, running late trying to catch a flight.

I am afraid I would have run right over these nuts and left them a few choice F bombs in my wake

#59 Elric66:

You can thank the MSM and the lack of resolve of America for Iraq.

That's nonsense. Total, absolute nonsense.

The MSM isn't Commander-in-Chief.

The MSM doesn't have the authority to make decisions like sending only 130,000 troops to Iraq, allowing lawlessness and looting to run rampant there, allowing al-Sadr to rant and strut around Iraq and become the focal point of Shiite terrorism against Sunnis, etc.

Those things happened because Rumsfeld sold Bush a "small footprint" way of fighting war. That if we could avoid "alienating" the Iraqi population, no insurgency would erupt. What Rumsfeld forgot is that the Iraqis had built-in alienation--the Shi'a, Sunni and Kurdish factions have such animosity for each other that they're ready to kill each other no matter what size "footprint" we put there.

Prior to the Iraq War, General Shinseki had said we would need 300,000 troops to do the job right. The MSM reported his comments widely.

So in the final analysis, wouldn't it have been better if we had listened to Shinseki?

Let's not fall into a conspiracy theory of our own here--that somehow we were winning the Iraq War except for the MSM. Because that's crazy. The decisions and errors that got us into this mess were made by the Executive Branch, way back in 2002.

US Airways appear to be sticking to their guns:

Imams stage airport 'pray-in' as protest

US Airways Group Inc. spokeswoman Andrea Rader said prayer was never the issue. She said the passenger overheard anti-U.S. statements and the men got up and moved around the airplane.

"We're sorry the imams had a difficult time, but we do think the crews have to make these calls and we think they made the right one," she said.

#163 Right Side

It isn't nonsense that our soldiers have had to fight the press right along with enemy insurgents.

A huge part of this war has been fought on the PR front. Trust me on this.

#157 EC Marm
My first reaction is that it's an ugly chick. I don't see what makes Drudge think that's Bush.

#160 ErislDysnomia
It is photo of President Bush jogging with wounded soldier. It is very high resolution. If I was going to Photoshop the Presidents picture I would use a high res. picture to start from. I 'll repeat the link:
[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]

#166 Killgore Trout 11/27/2006 03:21PM PST

#157 EC Marm

My first reaction is that it's an ugly chick. I don't see what makes Drudge think that's Bush.

I'm in the process of laying pixel over pixel, from the picture I linked above. It's pretty damn close. But, hey, they don't resort to that kind of stuff, do they?

#168 EC Marm 11/27/2006 03:23PM PST

#166 Killgore Trout 11/27/2006 03:21PM PST

#157 EC Marm

My first reaction is that it's an ugly chick. I don't see what makes Drudge think that's Bush.

I'm in the process of laying pixel over pixel, from the picture I linked above. It's pretty damn close. But, hey, they don't resort to that kind of stuff, do they?

Given the history of folks like adnan hajj, I am really surprised that all three faces aren't Bush.

Live interview with Duncan Hunter online:

http://www2.krla870.com/listen/

#158 ErislDysnomia

Let's keep pushing this story. This is big

Agreed. It is not as sexy as photoshoping but every bit as bad.

Gee, another story of Has Been Media terrorist shills pumping propaganda. What's new? Nothing will ever change about that until we bankrupt their enablers. The only way to do that is to stop watching television completely.

Many have dumped their newspaper subscriptions as evidenced by their plummeting readership, but that isn't enough. As long as we feed the enemy they will continue to churn out this garbage. With the networks suffering massive advertising revenue losses they might get the message to change their ways - maybe. I am not sure how that will get to the AP, but if the networks reduce the product they buy for the AP they too might get the message.

As I have preached before - Turn Off Your Television!

I wish I could linger and engage my fellow lizardoids in this thread, but I have to figure out how to make enough money this month to pay my heating bill.

#169 shug
LOL! That's funny. Now I have a big snoze. But if that is a chick, it's even bigger than mine. Photoshop check over, it doesn't match with my pic, predominately in the nose area. GWB's is not that big.

173 EC marm

also look at the fat little fingers. No match...but don't let that stop Drudge from running with it

#172 Tracer

As I have preached before - Turn Off Your Television!

Wow! No newspaper, no TV. How were you planning to find out what's going on in the world? Ninety-nine percent of what appears in the blogosphere is (a) material excerpted in the MSM, (b) opinions about material excerpted from the MSM, (c) opinions that may have no basis whatsoever, (d) recipes, and (e) pornography.

Most of LGF fits in (a).

#145 el greco:

We are losing this damn war because the public has hamstrung our troops by making them follow all these f-ed-up rules of engagement.

Your remarks are OUTRAGEOUS. And wrong.

It's interesting that now that policies pursued by the Bush Administration have run into trouble, some folks like you are resorting to the exact same ploy that Jimmy Carter did in his infamous "malaise" speech: Blame the public, never the President.

My answer to YOU is the same as to Carter: There is NOTHING WRONG with the American people. These are the same American people that Reagan worked with to win the Cold War. Somehow, that "malaise" that Carter spoke of seemed to vanish when Reagan became President. Isn't that amazing?

The real problem is that politicians (and bureaucrats) follow the Prime Directive of Politics: Never, never admit that your political opponents were right, and accept the public's inevitable retribution. Instead, do whatever it takes to stay in power.

Now back after 9-11, the American public wanted to hear from Bush what to do. What they got from Bush was a clear denunciation of al-Qaeda, but absolutely nothing else: Bush didn't level with the public, warning them of the dark times ahead, the tens of millions of radical Muslims in the world, the heavy casualties we might face, the years of struggle. He didn't mention America's dangerous dependence on foreign sources of energy. Heck, in his speech, he didn't even ask America's young people to join the military! Instead, it was soothing words: Hug your children. Go out and shop. Have a nice day.

Bush treated the American public like children, and can't be told the truth about what we face. And yes, that played well in the polls, and Karl Rove was happy.

He's not happy anymore.

#72 SaneInMN

Nice summary of the "Iraq Odessey".

#156 Iron Fist

No truer words were ever spoken!

#168 EC Marm
The only thing I see that's odd is the woman in the foreground, there might have been some retouching around her silhouette. re:pic in #167 - The noses are completely different and the eyes are closed in the wireservice pic.

I'm going to regret this, but, perhaps we all ought to go read Jerry Mander's Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television?

Yes, he's an anarchist. Yes, he's insane in some of his views. But some of what he says makes sense.

It can be found here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688082742/ sr=8-1/qid=1164670573/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-1208443- 6546805?ie=UTF8&s=books

I hope this link looks better than it does in preview!