Right, 'cos the media never lie.

Silly fool! The press are perfect; don't you realize that?

/sarc

This is shameful, truly shameful!

Daniszewski Works to Polish Syrian Image.

Wow....unholy Gramscian Whore language of deception, batman.

I believe this because Jayson Blair told me to!

How can these vermin still be believed or let alone even have jobs?

Wow, the media sticking by a lie? Who knew?

He’ll shill for Syria, but denounce his own country’s military.

I thought that attitude was a requirement for a degree in journalism, or what passes for journalism.

Next thing you know, someone will accuse the press of having a- a- bias, or an agenda, or something!

JWM

They never learn. They're going to be caught by the Blogosphere and hung out to dry... again.

#10 Hucbald 11/29/2006 08:52AM PST

They never learn. They're going to be caught by the Blogosphere and hung out to dry... again.

Does it matter? No one with any power holds them accountable.

And yet no proof is offered. Let us get back to the credentials of the Iraqi policeman that broke the story. Credentials that appear nonexistent.

Ahmadinejad has written another letter to America

The attempt to question the existence of the known police officer who spoke to the AP is frankly ludicrous

Yeah, next people will be accusing the NY Times of making up stories and accusing Reuters of doctoring photos!

How does the AP make money?

OT Appeasement at work

Israeli army radio reported that Hamas and Israel are at odds over the details of a prisoner swap in exchange for the conscript Gilad Shalit.

While the Islamists want 1,400 Palestinian detainees released simultaneously with Shalit, Israel wants to release only 1,000 prisoners after the soldier has been returned, according to the radio.

Perhaps he should move to Syria.

#1 zulubaby - Hi ya zulubaby! Hope you're doing well!
OF COURSE the media never lies. And I'm really only 32 years old, stand 6'3", weigh 190 lbs of pure muscle.
Oh, and I'm smarter than smart!

;)'

Does this mean the AP is questioning the patriotism of the military?

I won the Nobel prize for Medicine, Chemistry, and Economy and the attempt to deny it hints at a certain level of desperation on the part of the trolls.

/I can live in the upside-down world, I can !

I always thought AP stood for: Alternative Press. They can't print the truth because it stands in opposition to their bias.

"Journalism" is becoming a recognized synonym for treason. Journalist a synonym for traitor.

The MSM is definitely getting more clever about it, though. You have to give them that.

A year ago, blogosphere stories about how they made shit up to slander and libel soldiers, Israel, etc., led to mini-firestorms, retractions, and mucho handwringing.

Now, the MSM says: we stand by our stories; the blogosophere is a bunch of right-wing crazies, everything we said is true, ignore those nutballs with their so-called evidence and their alleged proofs, now, everyone go about your business.

They got it right. Took 'em a year but they figure out how to fight back

hints at a certain level of desperation to dispute or suppress the facts of the incident in question

Or Iraq might look violent!

Try again Daniszewski.

OT OT OT

From Jihad Watch:

WASHINGTON – Half of the 91,516 illegal aliens from terror-sponsoring countries and those of "special interest" apprehended at the border between 2001 and 2005 were released into the U.S. population, according to a report by the inspector general's office of the Department of Homeland Security.

45,000 possible terrorists in. Yay !

Well so much for the realpolitik crowd's hope that Syria would play a "constructive" role in the Middle East...

Assad: Syria to challenge U.S. efforts

Syrian President Bashar Assad said Wednesday his country will continue to challenge U.S. efforts to exert control over the Middle East, sounding a defiant tone ahead of President Bush's arrival in the region for talks on Iraq.

"Colonialism has not ended. In the past they used to call it colonialism, today it is called liberation of people. Names differ but the essence is the same. As colonialism continues, revolution and resistance continue," Syrian official media quoted Assad as saying.

Bush was expected to arrive later Wednesday in Jordan for a summit with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki in a fresh attempt to put an end to violence in Iraq.

Washington is debating whether the Bush administration should engage Syria and also Iran — two countries it regards as pariah states that work to destabilize the entire Middle East. Some claim Syria could use its control over Iraq's most porous border to alleviate insurrection against the U.S. occupation, and ongoing civil conflict between Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq.

I guess Baker and Co. are just going to have to settle for selling out the Israelis and Kurds.

#4 BabbaZee - Did ya see the comment (#712) I left for youse on the Dead Thread?!

Arafat still alive and released in the US

Man who threatened to castrate Bush freed from prison
Posted 11/29/2006 9:43 AM ET E-mail | Save | Print | Subscribe to stories like this

EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. (AP) — A mental patient who threatened to castrate President Bush was sentenced to federal prison, but a judge ordered him freed because of time he's already served.
Arafat Nijmeh, 27, formerly of Belleville, was sentenced Tuesday to seven months in prison after pleading guilty to two counts of threatening the president.

He was released after U.S. District Judge David Herndon credited him with the eight months he spent in custody after being charged. Nijmeh had been jailed without bail after being declared a flight risk and threat to society.

"This would have been an interesting trial," said his attorney, John O'Gara.

Nijmeh was accused of threatening to harm Bush in comments March 18 to workers at the Alton Mental Health Center and to two Secret Service agents the following day.

The indictment alleged Nijmeh told the agents that his earlier threat to castrate Bush was "not too harsh, considering what he has done to my country."

Nijmeh is a Palestinian born in Israel but O'Gara said he is a U.S. citizen.

Secret Service agent John Brooks has testified that Nijmeh was placed in the center against his will by his mother, who said Nijmeh threatened to slice his brother's throat, crashed his car into the brother's garage and tried to hit a nephew with his car.

Brooks said Nijmeh also told a supervisory nurse at the center he was going to "make her life a living hell" and threatened to kill Jews.

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Seems simple enough, all the AP needs to do is produce their named source and allow him to be interviewed and his background checked to verify his credibility.

Not holding by breath on that however.

The Assimilated Press is sweating in their boots.

Watch Glenn Beck tonight,he's going to expose "news services" for using fake sources for stories from Iraq.

My money is on AP and Al-Reuters.

#25 Poitiers-Lepanto 11/29/2006 08:58AM PST

OT OT OT

From Jihad Watch:

WASHINGTON – Half of the 91,516 illegal aliens from terror-sponsoring countries and those of "special interest" apprehended at the border between 2001 and 2005 were released into the U.S. population, according to a report by the inspector general's office of the Department of Homeland Security.

45,000 possible terrorists in. Yay !

Big deal. Only 1 percent probally pose a real threat. SARC

#25 P.L

OK, this might seem like a crazy question-but do you think any of those people might be Muslim males aged 18-40?

#27 realwest

No - Going to look now

“The attempt to question the existence of the known police officer our secret anonymous source who spoke to the AP is frankly ludicrous....

#26 Dirk Diggler - I can't believe anyone would believe that Syria could play a constructive role anywhere.
And I'm awfully afraid you're right about the Kurds, if not also the Israeli's.
SHIT.

Real, LOL!

Just because someone calls himself a kangaroo doesn't mean he knows how to jump. Just because a treasonous writer calls himself "journalist" doesn't mean he has impunity.

Why do I want to do my imitation of Valerie shouting "Liar!"?

Princess Bride fans?

#29 Kragar (proud to be kafir),

Don't hold your breath. Hell, if even their named sources don't exist, think about how many of the unnamed, annonymous sources they have just pulled out of their ass invented out of thin air. Is anything these people report factual?

'Tis the season for treason.

FAKE AND ACCURATE!

#10 Hucbald

They never learn. They're going to be caught by the Blogosphere and hung out to dry... again.

They never learn because they never associate pain with anything. They just can't figure out why circulation keeps dropping. It's like somebody sitting on a hot stove wondering why his butt hurts.

#39, Iron Fist. Have your local news sources fact checked their news sources today?

#39 Iron Fist - Hey bro' - hope you're doing well!
"think about how many of the unnamed, annonymous sources they have just pulled out of their ass invented out of thin air. Is anything these people report factual?"
Nope. Except for sports scores and the occassionally correct weather forecast, nothing at all.

Whats wrong with the media lying? Sometimes you have to lie to get the truth out. Right? :-)

give him a one-way outta here & let the FKR shill on his real home turf.

IT'S FACKURATE!

#37 Just because a treasonous writer calls himself "journalist" doesn't mean he has impunity.

of course they can. journalists create reality. if you can get enough people to believe what you write, it becomes the truth. look at mary mapes.

#32 WriterMom

Not at all: the article says "terror-sponsoring Countries", so I presume we are talking about christian Latvia, buddhist Mongolia, and African-animist Brazil.

Why are you thinking about arab males ?

/Big astonished eyes...

It ,news reporting that is, really has become so discredited in recent years that nobody I know any longer believes the first reports of anything. There used to be a 24 hour rule but that has now been extended to 72 hours by most people I know. I have come to realize that the first reporting of a story is designed to appeal to emotion and then days later the facts are presented. Of course by that time for most people in our microwave society, where all of life's problems are solved in the span of a 30 minute sit-com, the damage is done. Why be bothered with pesky facts and figures when it is all about the children anyway.
Enjoy that minimum wage increase folks.

The funky, fashionable Burka.

Now you can walk through a Paris suburb dressed stylishly yet without looking like an infidel whore.

Let's keep pushing this. The AP is circling the wagons ans will invent new lies and spin to cover up their propaganda...but the more they lie, the more there will be to expose.

I think if this turns out to be AP again making sh*t up, there should be a call for senior management firings and external audits of their operations.

We don't doubt the existence of the person who talked to you, MSM. What we are saying is that you got lied to and you bought it, uncritically.

#11 Elric66 - Nope, no one's gonna hold them accountable, in the way I think you mean it, but since Charles broke the Rathergate scandal and other similar stories and other blogs quickly joined the fray, most of the MSM is "downsizing" and their share stock prices are falling like the proverbial rock. In a way that IS accountablity.

I think these guys also have pet unicorns named "Elmo" who they talk to all day long...

43 gymnast,

I quit reading the local rag long ago.

#44 realwest,

'Round here they can't even get today's weather right :-)

OT

China executes 12 Protestant church members

According to an earlier statement from China Aid quoting a court document, Xu and other church leaders were accused of having murdered 20 leaders of the Eastern Lighting cult between 2002 and 2004.

Xu and others were also accused of defrauding others of 32 million yuan (4.05 million dollars), according to the rights body.

But the US-based group said their confessions were extorted through severe torture and the funds they were accused of defrauding were donations from Christians.

According to Chinese law, a court cannot convict someone based on testimonies alone, especially when the confession was extracted through torture, Li said.

"I believe my client was tortured to confess," he said.

If you are all going to buy toys this Christmas, please re-consider buying anything from China. It's challenging but not impossible.

I check every garment, and every item I pruchase to make sure that it is not from China - I refuse to prop up this "Communist terror."

#47 Peacekeeper

IT'S FACKURATE!

LOL !

clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap

Liberals don't let inconveniences like facts get in the way of a good military/bush/republican bashing

Don't forget to read Malkin on this:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Note the deceptive, newly embellished account of the Burning Six update with a photo of bodies: the wrong bodies!

All right, then. Why doesn't AP consult the Iraqi Ministry of the Interior?

Wait, that would imply fact checking. Sorry, my bad.

#48 varmint - "look at mary mapes." Aw shit, do I HAVE to?!

#47 Peacekeeper

IT'S FACKURATE!

Fuckurate, too.

Accufake?

Accufucation.

No. 13 . Ah well Pastorious, that new letter to be released Wednesday at the UN, I spit on it in advance.

It's Farkakte-urate!

Writer MOM ROTF

#30 TotallySirius

The Assimilated Press is sweating in their boots.

Watch Glenn Beck tonight,he's going to expose "news services" for using fake sources for stories from Iraq.

Can someone make this available via Internet for those who don't have cable?

It's becoming pretty evident that the MSM has made fiction SOP. After all, why go through the danger and expense of digging for a story, when you can create it in the comfort of your office, and still get sponsors to pay for it?

Journalist == Accufaker

* This AP Story contains some truth.

Writermom
Oy!

#64 Peacekeeper

Accufake?

From an accuflake.

A cute little old lady who lives next door to me gives me her newspapers after she reads them, otherwise I'd never see them because I won't support those press commie, pinkos.

I usually just read the local/regional stuff anyway.

Not more 20% facts by volume.

Does this guy even know what "ludicrous" means?

Breaking news!

AP International Editor John Daniszewski digs his own grave. Credibility for largest news gathering network dies with him.

#69 ErislDysnomia

38 Lady Mondegreen 11/29/2006 09:03AM PST

Why do I want to do my imitation of Valerie shouting "Liar!"?

The AP said "to blave" which means "to bluff"...

And you thought Makeup was a TV news thing.

#77 Earth2moonbat
sure, I believe he was awarded with the coveted "Urn of Ludicrosity" award this year.

#54 realwest 11/29/2006 09:10AM PST

#11 Elric66 - Nope, no one's gonna hold them accountable, in the way I think you mean it, but since Charles broke the Rathergate scandal and other similar stories and other blogs quickly joined the fray, most of the MSM is "downsizing" and their share stock prices are falling like the proverbial rock. In a way that IS accountablity.

You are correct in a sense that the MSM is taking a finacial hit do to the work of the likes of Charles and they should continue. But they still havent changed their tactics. They still spin, lie and are a mouth piece of jihad. In that they arent held accountable. Not enough anyway.

#23 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

The MSM is definitely getting more clever about it, though. You have to give them that.

A year ago, blogosphere stories about how they made shit up to slander and libel soldiers, Israel, etc., led to mini-firestorms, retractions, and mucho handwringing.

Now, the MSM says: we stand by our stories; the blogosophere is a bunch of right-wing crazies, everything we said is true, ignore those nutballs with their so-called evidence and their alleged proofs, now, everyone go about your business.

They got it right. Took 'em a year but they figure out how to fight back

I fight this by, every time I see some leftwing piece from academia based on MSM propaganda, I email the academics accusing them of ignorance (and their colleagues and department chairs and anyone else I can find on the generous university email listings) with links to places such as LGF, Zombietime, etc.

Then I delete their responses, which are usually worthless and annoying. However, it seeds fear, uncertainty & doubt in their little brains.

I recommend this practice strongly.

AP International Editor John Daniszewski.

You've made your statement.

Now prove it. Prove he is who he says he is.

# 67 WriterMom:

It's Farkakte-urate!

More like farkakte-urine.

ok

if Israel gives up 1400 prisoners for one captive (it should be all israeli captives)
but still has her wall that will keep the people released out, at least she can still defend herself.

the Wall must be finished and keep all hostiles out.

if you enter il-legally, tough-cookies, to bad you got shot....

It's Greased Lightnin!

The Associated Press engages in the ineffactual use of words.

inoffallicle too.

#23 find your violent jihadi on ebay! - " They got it right. Took 'em a year but they figure out how to fight back."
Sorry to disagree with you, but as I mentioned above, they're stock prices are still falling like a guy who's parachute didn't open and they are still "downsizing" their operations.
I truly believe the American people HATE being lied to: whether it's by politicians or the Media. The blogsphere, and LGF prominent amongst the blogs, have taken the MSM by storm. More and more people I meet and talk to volunteer to me that they watch much less TV news and only read the (mostly) local papers for sports and weather. When I ask why, many of them will go on a rant about "so and so is so full of BS, I can't stand to listen to/read him/her anymore".
One of these days some TV network is gonna start paying attention to the stories Charles posts (if not necessarily the comments) and see it's ratings climb.

Hey, the AP is a bunch of liars who are full of shit... End of story...

What I'm jacked about is another letter from Crazy Mahmoud!

My thoughts for Daniszewski

"A politicized press speaking the language of news is an instrument of propaganda, and such an institution does not foster democracy, but erodes it."
- Peter Braestrup "Big Story" (1977)

Our country, or at least my country, is at war, and the characteristic strategy and tactics of our enemies are almost entirely psychological. The actual scale of their capabilities for violence are relatively small compared to the psychological effect ("terror") their violence creates, IF magnified by a world-wide media exposure of deliberately ambiguous moral perspective.

Whether you have the moral courage to see it or not, every time you charge into our enemies' psy-ops cesspool and join them in slinging its contents about, you are advancing their objectives against ours. Do you ever consider your sources' - foreign or domestic - political agendas in weighing the credibility of your information? Or is your agenda so primary to you - to wreck havoc and defeatism for its own sake - that total fiction will serve just as easily as fact?

#30 TotallySirius - I'll see your AP and AL-Rueters and raise you one BBC!

#87 wargammer2005 11/29/2006 09:19AM PST

ok

if Israel gives up 1400 prisoners for one captive (it should be all israeli captives)
but still has her wall that will keep the people released out, at least she can still defend herself.

the Wall must be finished and keep all hostiles out.

if you enter il-legally, tough-cookies, to bad you got shot....

Uneven trades are never a good idea.

#79 BabbaZee 11/29/2006 09:17AM PST

#683 BabbaZee 11/29/2006 08:39AM PST

#675 Occasional Reader 11/29/2006 08:35AM PST

#651 BZ:
I think you're misreading ErislDysnomia's post.

I read him/her as saying that the LLL's citing the "this is lasting longer than WWII" meme are not really thinking about what they're saying: WWII was ended relatively swiftly because the Allies used massive, overwhelming force to kill the enemy. Clearly, LLL's are not in favor of that, so they have no standing to make this particular complaint.

My read, anyway.

Ok, I can buy that... I'll go with you till further notice, especially since massive doses of steroids don't do much for my reading comprehension or reasoning facilities, LOL!

ErislDysnomia if this is true I apologize in advance.

Let me clarify:

When I hear that "longer than WW II" meme from a LLL'er, I accuse the LLL'er using it of suggesting we do a Dresden or Hiroshima on Iraq, followed by accusations of racial insensitivity on the part of the LLL'er.

Challenging leftists with conservative arguments delivered in a leftist-style suppository is a great way to mindf*** these idiotarians.

More fallacy of the false burden.....

AP:Here's our story,now prove us wrong.

Sorry,wrong!

The Assimilated Press made the accusation so the burden of proof is on them.

C'mon AP,put up or shut up.

#87 wargammer2005

One can only hope during these lopsided exchanges is for some of the released prisoners to have been "turned" and will report the activities of the brothers back to the IDF.

Or at least plant this thought into the minds of the Palestinians as they welcome their warriors back home. Because we know that many of the released will just turn around and murder Jews.

#96 ErislDysnomia
OK, and thank you, and I apologize again.

#94 rw

Don't forget AFP.

We have met the enemy and he is us.

Pogo strip from Earth Day, 1971.
Walt Kelly
Still applies in the new world.

The outward enemy merely wants to kill us and enslave us. A physical threat is much, much easier to thwart than the inward threat. AP International Editor John Daniszewski would erode western liberal democracies from within, degrade the will to fight, causing us to question our cause and the evil of the enemy.

With out the Daniszewski's of the west the Islamofacists could never ever win. With the Daniszewski's we would roll over with our the merest whimper.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill

I fear the uglier thing of the fecklessness of Daniszewski and ilk far, far more than any suicide bomber. The worst the Islamofacist can do is kill me, Daniszewski would enslave me.

Looks like a two-fer:

Useful Idiot + Enemy Within

SAMAH the club for dyslexic Palestinians.

12 Americans a day are killed by illegal aliens. Should the US cut and run like in Iraq?

look at the positive...

this a.p. editor is setting himself up for career suicide.

The AP is inphallic,infallatio,infantile,infolicle

Fuck it,they're never wrong!

/sarc

I want to see a counter which registers the number of days the MSM goes without publishing a story with the words "leaked classified report" or "previously secret program" in it.
It would be like the old Lay's potato(e) chip line "Bet you can't go one day!"

Call me crazy, but there's no point in jabbing at the AP here, or at the military. No need for snarkiness or accusations of this or that from either side. No need, because it seems like a pretty simple dispute to settle: Does the officer in question exist or not?

It's got nothing to do with One way or the other, somebody's going to end up shame-faced.

I think he meant Ludacris.

#109 Cognito
According to several people in the CENTCOM PAO office and the the Iraqi Interior Ministry as well as local citizens he does not exist.

Cognito you are dead on.

It all comes down to them being able to back up their story.

They quoted a name, rank, and position.

If the individual does exists game over.

quite similar to some National Guard papers.

#101 TotallySirius - geez Louise, how could I forget AFP. But while we're at it, shouldn't we add CNN? The NYT?

#109 Cognito

No, because they'll continue with the disingenuous mime of "we have to protect our sources". They'll never put up or shut up. Mark my words.

#109 Cognito 11/29/2006 09:29AM PST

Call me crazy, but there's no point in jabbing at the AP here, or at the military. No need for snarkiness or accusations of this or that from either side. No need, because it seems like a pretty simple dispute to settle: Does the officer in question exist or not?

It's got nothing to do with One way or the other, somebody's going to end up shame-faced.

I would agree with you if it was an isolated incident. This is a pattern of behaviour.

As for people saying things like "journalist is a synonym for traitor," and so forth: What absolute rubbish. Just trash.

What hypocrisy. Much of Little Green Footballs exists thanks to the work of journalists around the world. Not just the "can you believe this?" posts, but much of LGF altogether.

So as I see it, the readers of LGF owe some journalists a word of thanks.

I'm not holding my breath.

Document the Source or be Laughed At.
AP = ALL POOPOO?

-S-

“The attempt to question the existence of the known police officer who spoke to the AP is frankly ludicrous and hints at a certain level of desperation to dispute or suppress the facts of the incident in question,” AP International Editor John Daniszewski said in a statement e-mailed to On Deadline this afternoon.

You can't tell me, they are not sweating bulletts over the fact someone is actually calling them on their accuracy.

They know they are lying.

#109 Cognito
Unless like Haditha the "informants" are former Baathist / Iraq Internal Security officers.

It is highly possible the "Officer" is former IIS or Iranian operator doing a PsyOps.

These stories weaken us, and strengthen the enemy, it's much, much more when news agencies fail to vet their sources and stories. We have to many examples of the MSM jumping on negative stories without the most basic examination and killing positive stories on the flimsiest of excuses.

#114 formercorpsman

Only if the blogosphere can keep the pressure on. This remains to be seen. I think they'll successfully stonewall, and if not, the story will just vanish. They'll never admit to fraud. Have they ever before?

#122 Earth2moonbat
What they will eventually try to do is shut us up all together.

From Charles' link - here is what we said to AP:

"We can tell you definitively that the primary source of this story, police Capt. Jamil Hussein, is not a Baghdad police officer or an MOI employee. We verified this fact with the MOI through the Coalition Police Assistance Training Team.

Also, we definitely know, as we told you several weeks ago through the MNC-I Media Relations cell, that another AP-popular IP spokesman, Lt. Maithem Abdul Razzaq, supposedly of the city's Yarmouk police station, does not work at that police station and is also not authorized to speak on behalf of the IP. The MOI has supposedly issued a warrant for his questioning."[emphasis added, realwest]

#123 taxfreekiller
Your voodometer is pegged in the redzone on this one, huh.

[Link: smirkingchimp.com...]

So some guy named Bob over at the Chimp is declaring this a total victory and wondering when the Right Wing Bloggers will retract. Funny thing is that he offers no proof and links to Tanya Harding...

Odd them lefties sometimes.

*I am soooo banned there my IPs are blocked (bwahahahaha) - of course I had to send Jeff an email explaining to him how to do that...

#118 Cognito

Much of Little Green Footballs exists thanks to the work of journalists around the world.

Let me fix that:

Much of Little Green Footballs exists thanks to the work of journalists around the world, making crap up, so the blogosphere can catch them doing so.

I realize you'd ra^ther not believe that......

#85 dll2000

Now prove it. Prove he is who he says he is.

As we all know, it will never happen. At this point, al-AP has absolutely no choice but to stick to “source confidentiality”. It’s the only way to prevent the lid being blown of a pressure cooker roiling with home-cooked, overdone journalistic deceit.

Elric,

I see what you mean about it not being an isolated incident -- the bias is pervasive, and the AP has a huge problem.

But in a way this incident is isolated. All anybody has to do is look up the officer and stick a microphone in his face -- voila! Mystery solved.

Or, if they somehow can't find the officer... Well, then the AP needs to rethink its new role as an agit-prop distribution clearinghouse.

#109 Cognito - No snarkiness here; read Charles' link to the story and my #125.

#124 BabbaZee

When you finally have the goods on them, yes. Except Ra^ther, who keeps dingging, and digging, and digging.....

Which is worse, an enemy or a traitor?

Clearly traitors are worse than enemies. An enemy is a legitimate foe which can be engaged on the battlefield. A traitor in a modern democracy does untold damage and there is no defense, no recourse.

#23

The MSM is definitely getting more clever about it, though. You have to give them that.

A year ago, blogosphere stories about how they made shit up to slander and libel soldiers, Israel, etc., led to mini-firestorms, retractions, and mucho handwringing.

Now, the MSM says: we stand by our stories; the blogosophere is a bunch of right-wing crazies, everything we said is true, ignore those nutballs with their so-called evidence and their alleged proofs, now, everyone go about your business.

They got it right. Took 'em a year but they figure out how to fight back

Notice the firestorm over Kerry's troop-slandering only a month ago, and the passing burp visitied on Rangle this week for the same kind of thing. Soon this troop bashing will be so common and unanswered as to be seen as respectable if not the conventional wisdom "truth." This was the MSM's tactic against the Swift Boat Veterans, for example.

This has all happened before, folks, starting in 1968. I was there.

When Mother Therasa first went to India, passers-by indifferently walked over the dead bodies of the poor on Calcutta's streets. Desensitization works on ideas too. We are dealing with propaganda pros who are fully schooled by the vast experience of the likes of Stalin, Mao and Hitler, and they hold by far the biggest megaphone. Outrage fatigue leaves the battlefield open to them alone to set the tone and the agenda.

120 formercorpsman

You can't tell me, they are not sweating bulletts over the fact someone is actually calling them on their accuracy.

Not just "someone" ... the highest levels of the US military.

JERRY MICHAEL SHRIVER, "MAD DOG"

#131 Cognito 11/29/2006 09:39AM PST

Elric,

I see what you mean about it not being an isolated incident -- the bias is pervasive, and the AP has a huge problem.

But in a way this incident is isolated. All anybody has to do is look up the officer and stick a microphone in his face -- voila! Mystery solved.

Or, if they somehow can't find the officer... Well, then the AP needs to rethink its new role as an agit-prop distribution clearinghouse.

They could easily solve that mystery by doing that. I want the intentional bias in the MSM solved.

#133 Earth2moonbat
He's a backhoe on crack.

The existence of the man who gave them their story is not disputed. The dispute is over whether he is in reality an Iraqi police officer.

They set up a straw man. They knock him over. They do their end-zone dance. No.

To win this argument, they must produce proof that their man IS AN OFFICER in the Iraqi police.

#109 Cognito,

Not merely does said individual exist (if there is a question about his existence, then AP has a problem), but have the acts he alleged to have seen committed really taken place?

If the AP can't verify all of that as routinely as producing an ID to buy beer, then there is something wrong with the AP.

#134 Pro

A traitor in a modern democracy does untold damage and there is no defense, no recourse.

Back in the day, we used to hang 'em. I long for the good ol' days.

Sadr's party just suspended its role in the Iraqi Cabinet. SO, can we procede with killing this asshole now?

Are we at war or not? Are we playing a game, or trying to live free?

the government here knows that some influential Western opinion-makers and politicians think of Syria as little more than Iraq II

beware of mind-readers people

So when do these guys get nailed for aiding and abbeitng the enemy?
After they make a civil war happen that would otherwise not?
After we get smart and kill Sadr and wipe out his followers?
After we bomb Iran?
Or after we get nuked?

Drudge reporting that Danny DeVito went on a drunken anti-Bush rant on the View today...

Awesome stuff...

#134 Pro-Bush Canuck - I would agree with you that there is no recourse and no defense, if you added that
politicians "on-the-make" and news media' use of "annonymous informants" (sometimes only one annonymous informant)makes it almost impossible to have recourse or defense against traitors.

25 P-L RACIST! oy vey

fence time. Actually, Oct. 2001 was fence time, but late is better than never.

Perhaps I misunderstood the post.

I agree without a doubt, that unless the alternative keeps the pressure on, things like this will continue to happen.

Personally, I take anything the msm offers up with suspicion automatically. Specifically due to the fact they can never admit to being wrong.

I have sent this to other media outlets. Hopefully someone will decide to interview the Navy fellow.

From what I recall, Cognito, you are in the world of media. Are you in a position to pursuade an entity to validate this in that realm?

On one hand, it would certainly hit back at the blogosphere if the MSM could back the story up.

On the other hand, well, business as usual.

#118 Cognito

I'm not holding my breath.

Just wait til those "journalists" catch onto the notion that every time you exhale, you're contributing to GlowBaal Warming. You are going to be in truh-buuull.

147 tfc isn't the View filmed in the pretty early morning?

OT

South Africa's Tutu heads UN mission to Beit Hanoun

GENEVA (Reuters) - South African Nobel laureate Desmond Tutu will head a U.N. fact-finding mission to Gaza's Beit Hanoun where 19 civilians were killed earlier this month by Israeli shelling, the United Nations announced on Wednesday.

Until honest conservatives can fill the ranks of journalistic institutions and hold the liberal media accountable for it's continuous treasonous behavior, the liberal media will always control the bias of stories they produce for the masses.

It's not enough to hold them accountable through public means via the internet anymore. They simply don't care. Honesty and integrity are not attributes that liberal journalists place value upon. One incident after another after another. It's as if being publically held accountable for dishonest and treasonous reporting has no meaning. Blind hatred now excuses dishonesty and lack of integrity.

If ever there were a time for a push of honest young conservatives into journalism related careers, it is now. Hateful liberals own the press and media outlets and their mission is clear; ensure the US fails at all costs.

I think The View is filmed at 11 AM Eastern.

#144 Eric Cartman's Conscience 11/29/2006 09:44AM PST

Sadr's party just suspended its role in the Iraqi Cabinet. SO, can we procede with killing this asshole now?

Long long overdue

Charles posted an important update
refresh the post and go back to the top

#147 tfc3rid 11/29/2006 09:44AM PST

Drudge reporting that Danny DeVito went on a drunken anti-Bush rant on the View today...

Awesome stuff...

I guess I wont see his new movie now.

RE: The update.

Now who looks desperate, Johnny?

In a proper world, you'd hang.

Taxfreekiller,

I don't even know how to respond to your comments, man. You are sending signals from so far in outer space that I can hardly hear you.

---

Earth2moonbat,

Like I said, I'm not talking about the LGF posts that debunk the real problems inside older media. What I'm saying is verifiable -- much of LGF's posts are reprints of stories written by that very same older media. When the Palestinians go nuts, or Iran makes another advancement toward nukes, etc, etc, where do you think Charles gets that material?

---

Cartman and others,

There's no 'source confidentiality' issue here. I haven't heard a peep about that from the AP. The officer has been named as a source, so where's the confidentiality?

Charles posted an important update
refresh the post and go back to the top

Oh damn

Cognito....

See the update....

#154 VetteMan

Hateful liberals own the press and media outlets and their mission is clear; ensure the US fails at all costs.

And so there is no chance that honest journalists will make in.

The market must detroy the subversive media.
People must stop watching the news, prices of ads on TV must fall, people must stop buying newspapers, etc. etc.

And the market must punish the subversive universities too.

Long hard work, but possible, to undo the gramscian strategy of the commies.

#154 vM

Maybe it will take some nutty Christian going "crusade-style" in the New York Times offices. Religious violence seems to persuade them and even apparently produces sympathetic responses such as "why do they hate us". Maybe NYT will begin to question their domestic policies.

I'm no advocate of that - let me be clear.

MOI will take all immediate preventive procedures against media that broadcast propaganda, because such media intend to repress the will of Iraqis in fighting terror and crime.

What will they do? Kick out AP?

Damn! Wish I had seen Charles' update before I bothered posting my #125.

Islam in action,the true face of the "religion of peace",the video clip that O`Reilly should have asked Ahmad Awad of CAIR to comment on...
A man and a woman being stonned to death by muslims in Iran,(while chanting allahu akhbar)
for having comitted adultery.
Take a look at the second article/video included.
[Link: www.france-echos.com...]

Re Update,

MOI will take all immediate preventive procedures against media that broadcast propaganda, ...

Sounds serious.

Now, with the update, the situation got RATHER difficult for "IloveSyria"Daniszewski.

I ♥ Syria Daniszewski

OT - from an emailed note with some comments by me...

Is this true? If so how the f&%^ did it get through?
Today I went to visit the new World War II Memorial in Washington, DC!
I got an unexpected history lesson. Hundreds of us milled around the memorial, reading the inspiring words of Eisenhower and Truman that are engraved there.

On the Pacific side of the memorial, a group of us gathered to read the words President Roosevelt used to announce the attack on Pearl Harbor:

Yesterday, December 7,
1941-- a date which will live in infamy--the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked.

One elderly woman read the words aloud:

With confidence in our armed forces, with the abounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph.

But as she read, she was suddenly turned angry. "Wait a minute," she said, "they left out the end of the quote. They left out the most important part. Roosevelt ended
the message with "so help us God.'"

If this is true, we need to make it plain that rewriting history will not be tolerated. If not true I apologize for wasting your time and Charles bandwidth.

The AP will just label the Iraqi rebuttal as propaganda.

Daniszewski should go bowling with Rick Warren

Awesome work guys....just sent this new email to the AP representative who has been responding to me, will post any response ASAP

Curt
Flopping Aces

#173 BabbaZee 11/29/2006 09:58AM PST

Daniszewski should go bowling with Rick Warren

In Syria

#154 VetteMan

Until honest conservatives can fill the ranks of journalistic institutions and hold the liberal media accountable for it's continuous treasonous behavior, the liberal media will always control the bias of stories they produce for the masses.

Which is never going to happen, because conservatives never graduate from J-school. The few who enter get weeded out by their marxist profs. Which is why this has to be an asymmetrical fight between them and the blogosphere. They love assymetrical "fighters"? Give them a taste of asymmetrical warfare.

yea, forever.

Sadr starts the Shia v. not so Shia civil war which fully engages the US forces on the ground.
Iran invades Iraq to help expel the US etc...
Lebanon ignites into full scale civil war...
The only plus side is that, not being all that nuanced, I missed the implications of this:

MOI will take all immediate preventive procedures against media that broadcast propaganda, because such media intend to repress the will of Iraqis in fighting terror and crime.

We would like to mention that such procedures we do not consider as chaining true free media, but it is a legal defense for Iraqi security and the safety of our people.

So if nothing else maybe subpeonas will be issued by the Iraqi govermennt and we get to see if they can extradite some AP folks to answer questions about sources etc etc...

#154 VetteMan

Ask John Stossel what it's like to work with hostile liberal journalists - and he's not even a "conservative," just a "not liberal." But when he turned from reporting on the "enemies of liberalism" (i.e. corporations) to reporting on the "friends of liberalism" (government agencies, regulators), suddenly he was lower than dirt in the eyes of many of his colleagues.

His story is highly instructive.

Leftist news organizations don't hire conservatives. Conservatives don't want to be subject to constant harassment and interference.

Once an ideology gets established in an organization, it's very hard to change it. Heck, you can't even get in unless you "look like" the people there, philosophically.

You have to remember that "those people" we're complaining about here have an ideology that defines the world for them - not one derived from the world. They literally believe that if you have "conservative" ideas, you must be crazy or up to no good.

They really, in their heart of hearts, believe that they would be doing their audience a disservice if they didn't portray the world the way they do - and if they allowed you to get your word out.

It doesn't matter how often their ideology has brought ruin and chaos, it doesn't even register. They KNOW that they're right, and everyone else is wrong. And they're in a position to DO something about it - i.e. control the debate.

Which is why they get so apoplectic about talk radio or the blogosphere, and why they believe they can get away with saying it's ludicrous to "attempt to question" their assertions. They really believe that their lies are in fact true, because the lies are "consistent" with their "reality." Thus the hilarious "fake but accurate" line.

I don't think you really can penetrate AP and CNN adequately enough to make a mindset change happen - you can only compete for the audience.

Re the update:

Well this should get interesting. Like I said, somebody's going to end up with egg on his face.

It doesn't seem to me that it should be all that hard to prove whether somebody was a police officer. For instance, was he paid? Is there documentation of him working in that capacity? And so forth.

Doesn't make a whit of difference to me which party is proven right. It's the truth that matters.

#171 bolivar - a valuable OT - I received the exact same e-mail over a week ago and have not found anyone who has actually been to the memorial or who can remember the exact words.
But if the story is correct, we do need to make it clear that re-writing history out of some weird sense of PC is totally unacceptable.

#171 Bolivar

SO HELP US GOD

confirmed at :

[Link: www.americanrhetoric.com...]

Wow, the Ministry is stating that Jamil Hussein isn't one of theirs.

AP? What about your claim to have met with him in his office? Or is it your stringers' claim?

How are you going to verify his identity now? Is your reporter actually going to leave the Green Zone (I think he'd be well advised to get a couple good bodyguards) and go ask this "Captain Jamil Hussein" a few questions?

Why didn't they do this before?

15 RTLM 11/29/2006 08:54AM PST

How does the AP make money?

The old fashioned way...

lie, cheat, steal...

It's time to kick the AP out of Iraq.

#183 Poitiers-Lepanto - Thanks for the link (I had already checked it out after receiving the e-mail I mentioned in my #181.
What I still don't know is what is inscribed on the Memorial - any DC area Lizards know or are able to find out for us?

Re: The update.

Ha, ha. The AP violated "The First Rule of Holes: As soon as you realize that you are in a hole, stop digging."

Who's ludicrous now?

Spaz-tards.

#176 Earth2moonbat

I was a Republican when I was graduated from J school. Of course, I was a Marxist when I joined but, I grew out of it.

#182 taxfreekiller

#160 Cognito

What I'm saying is verifiable -- much of LGF's posts are reprints of stories written by that very same older media. When the Palestinians go nuts, or Iran makes another advancement toward nukes, etc, etc, where do you think Charles gets that material?

And your point is?

Greg Wiggle (The Yellow One) quitting The Wiggles due to failing health.

I read him/her as saying that the LLL's citing the "this is lasting longer than WWII" meme are not really thinking about what they're saying: WWII was ended relatively swiftly

The left is either lying or is ignorant of the facts. World War 2 "officially" started long before we were actively [i.e., legally]involved.

So when we are in Iraq longer than 5 3/4 years, I'll start listening to this moronic nonsense.

And even then it won't be factually correct, because the Sino-Japanese war started in 1934. It was the direct result of this war and our resulting oil embargo on Japan that the US was bombed at Pearl Harbor)--9/1/39 is only when the European front opened.

So when we've been in Iraq for 11 years, wake me up.

#174 starman417

Hey Curt, why don't you have the Flopping Aces URL in your profile, so we can click through to your site?

Hey!

I resemble that remark!

A mutiny inside the UK's largest immigration centre has been contained, the Home Office has said.
Detainees at the 500-capacity Harmondsworth centre in west London staged a protest about living conditions in the early hours.

Oh no....what shall we do with them? Any suggestions?

AP
Antiamerican Press,
Archeocommie Press,
Aljezeeraclone Press,
AllergicToTruth Press,
Alzheimer Press,
Arab Press...

# 181 & 183

I can hear the words in my head and to think they would delete them out of some PC bs is inexcusable and if this is on public land cannot be allowed to stand.

Can anybody confirm that "so help us God" was left off the WWII war memorial? Any Lizards in D.C.? This is not a trivial thing - it is indicative of the whole liberal mindset - if you tell lies enough times soon the gullible believe it and if you keep it up long enough even the sane start to doubt their own memory. Vietnam is a good example - Cronkite - that pompous ass shot off his mouth and the whole war was lost even though the VC were decimated. The media for the most part are all arrogant assholes whose only redeeming characteristic is they will make good worm food someday.

Iran unveils candidates for December 15 vote Wed Nov 29, 8:09 AM ET

TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran has unveiled the final list of election candidates authorized to run for the body that chooses and supervises the Islamic republic's supreme leader, rejecting two-thirds of the hopefuls.

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Electoral watchdog body, the Guardians Council, approved 163 candidates out of 495 hopefuls to run for the Assembly of Experts elections on December 15, state-run television reported Wednesday.

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[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Cognito,

I think the egg on their face is a little anemic.

If this is the case, it points directly at propaganda. How could you argue not?

As a veteran, from a long line of veterans, propaganda is just as usefull a tool in a war, as the weapons to fight it.

If this proves to be the case, the A/P has the blood on its head of not just our service members, but every little Iraqi child killed in the cross-fire, the innocent who only wish to hold a purple finger in the air, the promise of trying to get what the rest of the civilzed world has.

It appears to me, the AP has declared itslef an ally of terrorism.

If this is the case, I am all for legal proceedings.

#193 Ed...

Wow, that's awful. If they haven't figured out why he's fainting and having other problems, he needs to come over to the US and find a proper doctor to treat him.

#190 MandyManners

Ok, but you would agree that the culture of the industry is poisoned, would you not?

Okay to lighten the mood go over to Fox News web site and check out the picture of the Mexican congress in their version of a filibuster.

#180 Cognoto

Doesn't make a whit of difference to me which party is proven right. It's the truth that matters.

But it does make a difference to most of us here, because the truth is that one party consistently distorts and manipulates the facts in order to advance their agenda. And it is not the US military.

Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been
To sit with elders of the gentle race, this world has seldom seen
They talk of days for which they sit and wait and all will be revealed

Talk and song from tongues of lilting grace, whose sounds caress my ear
But not a word I heard could I relate, the story was quite clear

#189 Hucbald

Ha, ha. The AP violated "The First Rule of Holes

But they respected all the rules of assholes.

/It's a mistake in typing ! I didn't mean that ! I meant brasspoles !

//Preemptive begging...

{TFK} It was your theme song. Sixteen Tons.

# 171 Bolivar:

The Roosevelt quote:

With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph -- so help us God.

some satellite TV channels began misleading public opinion and disclosing chaos for a particular political agenda, by broadcasting propaganda that harms people and tries to shake the trust in security forces.

That sounds familiar, I wonder why.

#118 Cognito

So as I see it, the readers of LGF owe some journalists a word of thanks.

Thanks, MSM!

Thanks for lying to me day in and day out, shamelessly, particularly in your reporting about Israel and the Middle East (especially Palestine and its history and violence), but generally about politics.

Thanks for consistently bowing to the pressure of the violent and dissolute, and screaming vulgar hatred at those who would stand against the enemies of not only themselves, but you as well.

Thanks for creating an atmosphere so hazed with doubt that even your own supporters use your inaccuracy to defend you from criticism, claiming that your critics should not be able to use your words against you if they're so inaccurate.

Thanks for your bottom-to-top pervasive bias, from your almost 100% consistent use of aggressive labeling ("conservative" think tanks labeled when they look bad, "liberal" think tanks not labeled to make them look better - also note how conservatives "claim" and liberals "say"), to your bizarre math (note how a reduction in the rate of increase of welfare programs is a "cut"), to your hypocritical treatment of public figures (leftist politicians get a pass on what they say or do most of the time, rightists almost never do).

When you get it wrong more than half the time, you are WORSE than useless. Thanks for less than nothing, MSM.

From my limited experience of being sober in Australia, they seemed pretty advanced in technology and culture, so I'd suspect Greg is receiving the best possible care this side of the Mayo Clinic.

OT, from the "Who Cares?" dept.:

Sen. Frist Won't Run for President in 2008

He's about as exciting as a cigar store Indian.

#199 bolivar

The media for the most part are all arrogant assholes whose only redeeming characteristic is they will make good worm food someday.

This will never repay all of the oxygen that they have stolen over their lifetime.

#203 Earth2moonbat

One of the reasons I left journalism was the rank sexism that pervades it despite its professing left-wing principles.

all this can be explained by the official democrap/MSM mantra...

no God, no faith,

no soul, no conscious,

a lie is a means to an end.

#195 Ward Cleaver

Sorry bout that, put it in. If its down due to traffic here is the backup.

#137 BabbaZee

(MAD DOG)

Thanks Babba.

Quite a man he was and shall never be forgotten by thous of us who served there.

#218 starman417

Thanks Curt. Do you lurk here often?

#212 Merovign
AMEN!

And no, that wasn't a pick-up line.

/honest

192 Earth2moonbat,

In what way is my point not clear?

I'll restate:

As for people saying things like "journalist is a synonym for traitor," and so forth: What absolute rubbish... Much of Little Green Footballs exists thanks to the work of journalists around the world. Not just the "can you believe this?" posts, but much of LGF altogether.

Then you wrote:

Let me fix that:

Much of Little Green Footballs exists thanks to the work of journalists around the world, making crap up, so the blogosphere can catch them doing so.

So I answered:

Like I said, I'm not talking about the LGF posts that debunk the real problems inside older media. What I'm saying is verifiable -- much of LGF's posts are reprints of stories written by that very same older media. When the Palestinians go nuts, or Iran makes another advancement toward nukes, etc, etc, where do you think Charles gets that material?

Is that really unclear to you?

#216 MandyManners

One of the reasons I left journalism was the rank sexism that pervades it despite its professing left-wing principles.

No surprise there. LLLs consider themselves entitled to whatever they want because of the political dues that they pay.

BTW - why wasn't Ted Kennedy ever prosecuted for vehicular homicide? And why weren't the feminists ever critical of his role in the death of a woman?

#215 Iron Fist

You are right but, even the lowly slug has some value. I would hope that journos have some worthwhile attributes....have to look hard but there has to be something - anything?

/maybe not

#160

There's no 'source confidentiality' issue here. I haven't heard a peep about that from the AP. The officer has been named as a source, so where's the confidentiality?

OK...nevermind.

#219 Dustoff-507 11/29/2006 10:16AM

Quite a man he was and shall never be forgotten by those of us who served there.

And even by some of us who didn't.

Well, to be fair to Cognito, yes, we owe a debt to some journalists (the honest ones).

I consider some bloggers to be journalists, in the true sense of the word. People like Michael Totten and Michael Yon.

#188 REALWEST

I can't find pics on the net (just big landscape shots).

Yes, WE NEED A DC LIZARD !

Any Lizard living around there, who can go and take a pic ?

/Can Lizards live nearby so many politicians ? Isn't the air poisoned ?
Do we get kind-of-vampire-burnings if we crawl too near to the State Dept. ?

#192 E2m

#160 Cognito

What I'm saying is verifiable -- much of LGF's posts are reprints of stories written by that very same older media. When the Palestinians go nuts, or Iran makes another advancement toward nukes, etc, etc, where do you think Charles gets that material?

And your point is?

The point is that many, if not most, threads on LGF begin with stories that Charles has culled from the MSM. He may be quoting them as a basis for criticism, but, as Cognito says, there'd be precious little content here without great reliance on the MSM as a source of material.

In addition to the non-acknowledgment of the importance of the MSM as the foundation for many LGF threads, there's also a more serious problem of how info from MSM sources is treated here.

Perceptions of source credibility seem to depend on what the source has to say. AP, Reuter, AFG, the NYT, WaPo, and other sources are roundly criticized when they present info that is at odds w/ the prevailing views of LFGers.

But the very same sources are treated as credible when they present info that is compatible w/ the conservative, anti-Islam stance of LGF.

Even more absurd is the fact that these sources--sometimes even the same stories--are interpreted as reflecting right-wing bias on web sites such as Daily Kos. It's simply not plausible that the same sources can be regarded as attacking Bush and as apologists for the administration.

Yet I rarely see statements here in the form of "It seems to me that the MSM is . . . [whatever]" Instead, criticism is most often presented as if the view of the poster were beyond challenge.

I think some "unbiased" analysis of how MSM reports are treated on LGF is in order.

#223 Cognito

You're implying something without stating it. Go ahead and state the inference.

@227 BabbaZee

And even by some of us who didn't.

Thanks buddy (-:

#223 cognito

Rather full of yourself this afternoon, aren't you?

#181 realwest

But if the story is correct, we do need to make it clear that re-writing history out of some weird sense of PC is totally unacceptable.

I agree. My HS history books said Axis=Germany+Italy+Japan. I never learned about Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini until long after Carter and Arafat (al-Husseini's nephew) were awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

#212 Merovign

When you get it wrong more than half the time, you are WORSE than useless. Thanks for less than nothing, MSM.

Where would we get our news if today's MSM would not exist? Is there some new media infrastructure that is able to provide reporting that I am not aware of? Because as it stands right now, the majority of the news, etc. that is being reported is not done by any new media or its infrastructure.

Well I went an read President Tom's (Ahmadinnerjacket) Christmas greetings to the American people and have no fear he doesn't mention Israel although he spends a lot of time complaining about the Zionists but then he ends it with what to me sounds like a veiled threat.

We should all heed the Divine Word of the Holy Qur'an:
" But those who repent, have faith and do good may receive Salvation. Your Lord, alone, creates and chooses as He will, and others have no part in His choice; Glorified is God and Exalted above any partners they ascribe to Him. " (28:67-68)

Well Merry Christmas to him too.

#224 Earth2moonbat

Asking what "the feminists" think/do is the same as asking what "the blacks" think/do. Feminists are not a monolithic block. We come in all shapes and sizes, intellectually speaking. I'm a feminist and I think Kennedy should've done time in prison for vehicular manslaughter.

#230

I think some "unbiased" analysis of how MSM reports are treated on LGF is in order.

They often don't get here unless they smell fishy to begin with.

There is also a signficant difference between media bias, and outright fabrication.

Its the latter that causes the most hand-wringing here, and for obvious reason.

216 MandyManners

One of the reasons I left journalism was the rank sexism that pervades it despite because of its professing left-wing principles.

There, fixed that for you. :)

#221 BabbaZee

I can tell you long for the day of truly multimedia online communication. :)

#213 Ed...

You're right, Ed. It just sounds frustrating that after several months, they haven't been able to hit on a diagnosis. If I were Greg, I'd be going crazy.

#235 abc-m-xyz

It's like advocating for mediocrity,
that argument.
I understand your point
but the necessity to rail against
the overwhelming deception
in time of war and peril
now overrides that.
The MSM is the NME.

#229 Poitiers-Lepanto

Thanks for keeping the flame alive - this is really bugging me and I have had the message sent to me by 3 different people. I figured this was the surest way to get the truth. I don't trust most of the media any longer....won't watch the alphabets to save my soul.

The Iranian PM's letter

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

#239 Merovign
LOL, just a frustrated DeeJay....

#243 Elric66
thanks...printing

#222 Ward Cleaver 11/29/2006 10:17AM PST

And no, that wasn't a pick-up line.

/honest

Lol...I try to lurk once a day and you guys have always provided some great info for me to blog on.

This latest update is just one more example.

Great work guys, the lefties were about to have a field day on me re: that ap rebuttal.

#245 BabbaZee 11/29/2006 10:25AM PST

#243 Elric66
thanks...printing

I just hope he doesnt sway you from your support of Israel. :-)

I think people have misinterpreted Cognito's intent. Yes, the "kernel" of a lot of the threads here is information gleaned from the MSM, whether it's correct or whether it's BS.

#248 Ward Cleaver 11/29/2006 10:27AM PST

I think people have misinterpreted Cognito's intent. Yes, the "kernel" of a lot of the threads here is information gleaned from the MSM, whether it's correct or whether it's BS.

True. We just have to sift through all the lies and bs it prints.

Cartman,

I don't meant to be full of myself in any way. Just pointing out what I think is right -- which is a long-standing LGF tradition. This has nothing to do with me. Nobody's sending me cash or prizes for posting here. But if anyone is interested, I can certainly make an arrangement.

E2M

I'm not implying anything. I'm being perfectly clear, I think.

#230 JustMyView

So what? So the fact that Charles makes threads from a media that's demonstrably seditious makes them biased to the right? That qualifies as ludicrous.

#243 Elric66

....Massive, Honkin' DA'WA

#230 JustMyView

Well, that is Just your view.

We fact check the MSM, and find them wanting.
We note that the first answer from the MSM is not "we will investigate", but is always "who do you think you are? We are always right".

When Charles thinks of the lizards, he is happy to have them fact check him. He even lists us as such. The MSM looks upon their readers as nothing more than sponges.

AP should have said... "Wow, if Centcom says they never heard of this guy, we should get someone out to interview him, and do a story on him.", instead it was "go away kid, ya bother me."

#194 j-damn

The left is either lying or is ignorant of the facts. World War 2 "officially" started long before we were actively [i.e., legally]involved.

All the comments I've heard on this topic do refer to our involvement in WWII, not to the events that came before that.

#223 Cognito

If you are a journalist you need not be ashamed. We all make mistakes in life.

If not, your line is a bit puzzling: we live under a strict dictatorship of the media, mainly controlled by old commies who hate America, and we fight every day to try to get to the truth that they hide carefully.
Of course we have to go through the wall of the media: because it is a wall of steel, that we are trying to destroy.

The way you present the problem is too simplified: it's not only WHAT the media say but HOW they say it and HOW they display it.

The old justification of the editors "I publish everything" is another fake but accurate lie because they publish first page nine columns a piece of crap and three lines font 2 page 45 an important info.

If any newspaper HAD published the news that Charles published in these last five years giving to them the same space that Charles gives them, we would have had ONE decent paper.

In the end, your argument says that we use the same words of the journalists, so we are doing nothing.

Can you imagine if 200 millions Americans could read Charles ? Can you imagine the HUGE political revolution that would come from that ?

So why does this story only have 9 diggs?

#241 BabbaZee

#235 abc-m-xyz

It's like advocating for mediocrity,
that argument.
I understand your point
but the necessity to rail against
the overwhelming deception
in time of war and peril
now overrides that.
The MSM is the NME.

I agree with you that the MSM are the nme, but we would have hardly any news (biased or otherwise) if they did not exist. LGF, Michell Malkin, or a variety of countless blogs that exist picking apart news stories that are produced by the MSMs do not have reporters or bloggers in every single part of the world that would or could report on events.

To a degree, we are dependent on the MSMs for news and yet it will be us that sift through their BS picking out inconsistencies, lies, fabrications, which in turn will force the MSMs to clean up their own house (best case scenario) if they want to continue to exist.

#242 bolivar

won't watch the alphabets to save my soul

Me neither. I flat won't turn on the TV between 5:30 and 6:00pm (Central time).

The local PBS affiliate here (Dallas) runs the kids' show Arthur at that time, so sometimes it is on, and tuned to that, for my little ones.

249 tfk,

You've been good fun until now, pal. But now let me get this straight -- are you suggesting you'd like to kill and my family?

Why don't you make that clear for me. Really, really clear.

#235 abc-m-xyz

Where would we get our news if today's MSM would not exist?

I don't know, but I'd sure like to find out!

Lack of good, solid information is killing us. We make do with what we have, but it isn't even adequate.

This quote is great:

"MOI will take all immediate preventive procedures against media that broadcast propaganda, because such media intend to repress the will of Iraqis in fighting terror and crime."

Well now, maybe Time magazine USA, etc, can take this as a word to the wise.

/crickets

The Associated (with terrorists) Press is standing by its insurgent sources Partners in Crime

Fixed

#259 abc-m-xyz
Agree.

#251 cognito

I don't meant to be full of myself in any way. Just pointing out what I think is right -- which is a long-standing LGF tradition.

Not that it matters, but good enough for me. Carry on. ;)

#237 MandyManners

Let me clarify. When I use the term "feminist", I use it in the same way that I use the term "environmentalist", or any other such label, implicitly referring to the organizations, and not to individuals. In other words, I don't believe that feminist organizations necessarily represent all, or even most feminists. But it doesn't matter. They have the money, the connections, and the funds. Like it or not, they, practically speaking, speak for all feminists, and more audaciously, all women.

#253 BabbaZee 11/29/2006 10:30AM PST

#243 Elric66

....Massive, Honkin' DA'WA

Thanks BZ. :-)

Ahmadeenaddydingsong needs a frikkin' blue pencil and an EDITOR.

#242 bolivar

won't watch the alphabets to save my soul

.

Did you watch Glen Becks expose about Islam on CNN?

Yes, CNN of all places. Even at the Communist News Network they realize what side of the bread the butter is on. Our criticism and continues BS detecting in time will push them to provide more accurate coverage. That is my hope.

Time to hold the AP's feet to the fire

[Link: www.ap.org...]

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS STATEMENT OF NEWS VALUES
AND PRINCIPLES

For more than a century and a half, men and women of The Associated Press have had the privilege of bringing truth to the world. They have gone to great lengths, overcome great obstacles – and, too often, made great and horrific sacrifices – to ensure that the news was reported quickly, accurately and honestly. Our efforts have been rewarded with trust: More people in more places get their news from the AP than from any other source.

In the 21st century, that news is transmitted in more ways than ever before – in print, on the air and on the Web, with words, images, graphics, sounds and video. But always and in all media, we insist on the highest standards of integrity and ethical behavior when we gather and deliver the news.

That means we abhor inaccuracies, carelessness, bias or distortions. It means we will not knowingly introduce false information into material intended for publication or broadcast; nor will we alter photo or image content. Quotations must be accurate, and precise.

It means we always strive to identify all the sources of our information, shielding them with anonymity only when they insist upon it and when they provide vital information – not opinion or speculation; when there is no other way to obtain that information; and when we know the source is knowledgeable and reliable.

It means we don't plagiarize.

It means we avoid behavior or activities that create a conflict of interest and compromise our ability to report the news fairly and accurately, uninfluenced by any person or action.

It means we don't misidentify or misrepresent ourselves to get a story. When we seek an interview, we identify ourselves as AP journalists.

It means we don’t pay newsmakers for interviews, to take their photographs or to film or record them.

It means we must be fair. Whenever we portray someone in a negative light, we must make a real effort to obtain a response from that person. When mistakes are made, they must be corrected – fully, quickly and ungrudgingly.

And ultimately, it means it is the responsibility of every one of us to ensure that these standards are upheld. Any time a question is raised about any aspect of our work, it should be taken seriously.

"I have no thought of saying The Associated Press is perfect. The frailties of human nature attach to it," wrote Melville Stone, the great general manager of the AP. But he went on to say that "the thing it is striving for is a truthful, unbiased report of the world's happenings … ethical in the highest degree."

He wrote those words in 1914. They are true today.

256 P-L,

I see your point, and it's a good one -- Charles' blog is filling an important role. The media is terribly biased.

But I think people here sometimes forget that LGF is almost entirely analysis and comment on the substance of other people's work. That's when commenters step over a line -- calling all journalists 'traitors' and 'the enemy' and so forth.

If all journalists suddenly keeled over, LGF would be in a world of hurt.

It's time for a new thread. I'm this close to getting back to doing some real work!

#267 Earth2moonbat

Pimf - Money, connections, and media access....

#270 abc-m-xyz 11/29/2006 10:34AM PST

#242 bolivar

won't watch the alphabets to save my soul

.

Did you watch Glen Becks expose about Islam on CNN?

Yes, CNN of all places. Even at the Communist News Network they realize what side of the bread the butter is on. Our criticism and continues BS detecting in time will push them to provide more accurate coverage. That is my hope.

I send Rush and Glenn some news articles from time to time trying to convince them the problem Islam poses. Sadly, Im at work when they are on so I really dont know if I am effective.

DFW Tornado Watch

Tornadoes this afternoon and evening, freezing rain tonight, and an inch or two of snow tomorrow. I almost miss living in the Metroplex.

#261 Cognito

Why don't you make that clear for me. Really, really clear.

Wait... you're asking tfk that?

tfk, on the best of days, is as clear as a brick wall.