Business as usual from the MSM. Never admit a mistake, and act like taking stories from proven liars are still legitimate news.

/first?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

This is why conservative newspaper circulations have surged while liberal ones have tanked. They may still be able to swing elections, but they are killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

As with anything,follow the money,it seems it does not harm their bottom line to shill for killers.

Well at least the AP is running true to form just like the rest of the, so called, news agencies. I pity people who only use the MSM for their source of information on what is going on in the world.

Kathleen Carroll claims that:

the U.S. military and Iraqi government spokesmen attack our reporting because that captain’s name is not on their list of authorized spokespeople.

This is baldfaced lie.

In FACT, Ministry of Interior spokesman Brig. Gen. Abdul Kareem Khalaf Al-Kenani clearly sated that this supposed "police captain" was not in ANY WAY associated with the Iraqi government.

If only George Bush would admit his mistakes.

/MSM Spasm from a while back.

Well, I guess that settles that...

/spit

What you said Charles sums it up. How can we win this thing or any manoeuver if the the reporting is corrupt.

enemy sources are using Western news gathering networks, specifically the Associated Press and Reuters, to disseminate propaganda.

should read:

enemy sources are using their news gathering networks, specifically the Associated Press and Reuters, to disseminate propaganda.

The leftist media are every bit as much the enemy of Western civilization as is al Qaeda. There is no moral reason not to shoot them on sight in Iraq. Only our (excessive?) restraint prevents this from happening.

Seems like an inevitable conclusion of postmodernism: there is no absolute Truth, just a bunch of individual truths, so it doesn't matter which truth gets reported.

2007, the Media takes over.

I didn't get out in front of the whole Mystery Captain Jamil Hussein story too early, because it's really easy for Americans to screw up Arabic names. Now that the Iraqi Information Ministry has also come on record saying this Captain Hussein does not exist, it's clear that AP has a problem.

But this bogus source is the least of AP's problems.

Kathleen Carroll, a senior VP and executive editor of Associated Press, is now saying she is "satisfied with AP's reporting."

Yes, only two sources will go on record, and one has recanted his testimony, while the other apparently does not exist, and Kathleen Carroll is "satisfied with the AP's reporting."

She is not putting any pressure on her own staff to produce the cop. He shows up to work every day, but this is too tall an order for AP.

She doesn't name the Iraqi stringer who collected the report. No, "she's satisfied with the reporting."

If Kathleen Carroll's name doesn't ring a bell, it should. It was Kathleen Carroll who lept to the defense of the AP's coverage of Green Helmet Guy and the AP's shameful complicity in the Hezbollah exploitation of images of dead Lebanese children:

[Link: iraqnow.blogspot.com...]

#6 padikiller 11/30/2006 02:38PM PST

Kathleen Carroll claims that:

'the U.S. military and Iraqi government spokesmen attack our reporting because that captain’s name is not on their list of authorized spokespeople.'

This is baldfaced lie.

In FACT, Ministry of Interior spokesman Brig. Gen. Abdul Kareem Khalaf Al-Kenani clearly sated that this supposed "police captain" was not in ANY WAY associated with the Iraqi government.

Looks like the first case of the MOI needing to take 'precautions' to make sure the AP doesn't do this again. That's what is pretty crazy here. Those people pretty much told the media to shape up or else, and they still don't back down. They think they can do whatever they want and no one will ever make them own up for their lies.

Flopping Aces has a response from AP Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll

Oh this calls for a re-run

They've had free reign to pull this shit for decades regarding Israel and no one listened.

We cannot let them get away with this crap any longer.

their hate of Pres Bush is getting in the way of their reporting of truth

The AP is satisfied? I'm satisfied too. The AP is a pack of dissembling flocking shitbirds that are a representative of the state of todays journalistic arts. They are about to be flushed down histories crapper along with the outlets that pay for their services. Not being used by the AP means not using the AP. That's satisfactory.

But if they were ever to deal with the "endemic rot," they might have to do actual work!

"Their free speech is a loophole we can use against them."

/paraphrased from an Islamic screwball as seen in Obsession

AP may be satisfied with their reporting (they are helping their allies, the terrorists, to undermine the USA, which the MSM hates).

It is the public who are increasongly unsatisfied with their reporting.

I no longer believe what the MSM reports. I assume it is no more true that I did Pravda during the Soviet years.

But what got our attention was the tone of the two letters. Here's an excerpt from Lt. Dean's:

Unless you have a credible source to corroborate the story of the people being burned alive, we respectfully request that AP issue a retraction, or a correction at a minimum, acknowledging that the source named in the story is not who he claimed he was.

Here's part of the AP's response:

The Associated Press denounces unfounded attacks on its story about six Sunni worshipers burned to death outside their mosque on Friday, November 24. The attempt to question the existence of the known police officer who spoke to the AP is frankly ludicrous and hints at a certain level of desperation to dispute or suppress the facts of the incident in question.

So the military makes a "respectful request," to which the AP responds by "denouncing unfounded attacks" and calling criticism of its reporting "frankly ludicrous" and accusing its critics of "desperation."

Which side comes across as more impartial and interested in the facts?

[Link: opinionjournal.com...]

If Kathleen Carroll's name doesn't ring a bell, it should. It was Kathleen Carroll who lept to the defense of the AP's coverage of Green Helmet Guy and the AP's shameful complicity in the Hezbollah exploitation of images of dead Lebanese children:

Wait, it gets even better...

AP's Kathleen Carroll Elected to Pulitzer Board

Good little communists giving other good little communists prizes, well, for being good little communists...

"We're Satisfied with Our Reporting"

Hahahahha!

Well, we're dissatisfied with it. And we're the customers.

Don't these people understand how the economy works?

Customer: "I bought this tool at your store, but it doesn't work!"
Store Owner: "I'm satisfied with my products."
Customer: "Well screw you, then! I will shop elsewhere."

ALLLLLLLL A-BOOOOOARD, ALLLL ABOARD PEOPLE! ALL ABOARD THE AP EXPRESS!! Track 13.

your conductor for the remainder of your trip is the infamous AP International Editor John Daniszewski....dont´t be late and good luck...

#19 Fran Porretto
"But if they were ever to deal with the "endemic rot," they might have to do actual work!"

If they were ever to deal with the rot, it would demand that they look squarely in the mirrow and recognize cowards, traitors, and liars.

/spit and spit again.

We need a strong conservative force to buy out one of the dwindling dinosaur newspapers to counter this bullsh**t they spew everyday.

There's a real problem here for the AP. I could understand Ms. Carroll's defense if she said, "Here's the policeman's payroll record. Here are photos of him working as an officer. Here's a list of many other news agencies that know him in that capacity..."

But so far all the AP has come out with is, "Because we said so."

That's crap. This is not a sensitive source, a case in which someone needs to be protected. We're talking about a named public official. So trot him out.

(One caveat: I do see a strong inclination among some folks here to simply take the government's word for it, as in, "Well, ha! The government said so, so it must be!" And that's no good either.)

In this case, though, the AP is showing itself lacking, big time.

The Washington Times used AP's feed on this story.

Perhaps we might have more luck if we wrote to the Washington Times?

oh alright.., just as long as AP and the global jihad thinks its okay...

/submission OFF

OT:

This was on Drudge for a moment and then dissapeared. What do make of this Lizards?

Iranian Weapons Arm Iraqi Militia

Postmodernism, relativism, stupidity, multiculturalism run amok--no matter what the label is, when the sh*t hits the fan we are all screwed because of their arrogant blindness.

Kathleen Carroll LGF search

US Army: AP Photographer Captured with Al Qaeda Leader

That Hussein was captured at the same time as insurgents doesn’t make him one of them, said Kathleen Carroll, AP’s executive editor. “Journalists have always had relationships with people that others might find unsavory,” she said. “We’re not in this to choose sides, we’re to report what’s going on from all sides.”

Directed By Green Helmet Guy

I also know from 30 years of experience in this business that you can’t get competitive journalists to participate in the kind of (staging) experience that is being described.”

She's quick on her way to being the next Dan Rather.

Paging Dan Rather... paging Dan Rather.... call from AP on line one.

Hi all. Please note that a number of Islamic nations, including Saudi Arabia, pay the AP and Reuters large sums of money to sanitize articles in a way that makes them reader-friendly in Arabic nations. The AP and Reuters have a choice: Do two completely separate articles and sell one to the [bigoted word]s and the other to the West, or simply Muzzy-ize a single article and sell it to both. It's more profitable to do the latter and requires less work. The bottom line is that "the bottom line" financially for these organizations is more important than disseminating the whole truth to the world. Greed and sloth have ruined their credibility and continue to brainwash those who are gullible enough to believe their por-Arab propaganda.

Oops. "pro-Arab".

pimf

"We're Satisfied with Our Reporting"

That sounds Rather familar for some reason.

#28 Cognito 11/30/2006 02:54PM PST

(One caveat: I do see a strong inclination among some folks here to simply take the government's word for it, as in, "Well, ha! The government said so, so it must be!" And that's no good either.)

Could be because there is also no evidence of the event occurring. They expect us just to take their word for it that it happened, without evidence. The government wants us to think it didn't happen because there is no evidence.

It's not blindly following, it's reaching the logical conclusion.

35 Omega,

Can you prove that?

#33 Killgore Trout

She's quick on her way to being the next Dan Rather.

I'd say she is there.

And this guy claims to be able to do difficult mathematics.

#28 Cognito

(One caveat: I do see a strong inclination among some folks here to simply take the government's word for it, as in, "Well, ha! The government said so, so it must be!" And that's no good either.)

Relly? Unless you can cite some specific examples, I'd say that's BS. My experience here is that the vast majority of LGFers aren't afraid to follow the facts, wherever they may lead.

In this case, the proposition is very simple. If AP can refute the military's reply, let's see the evidence. Otherwise, apologize and start firing people...starting with Kathleen Carroll.

Rotting but accurate!

39 Cognito,

I'll see if I can find the article.

#15 BabbaZee

Hey that's an old Swedish movie. how appropriate!

#11 HeatherRadish

Seems like an inevitable conclusion of postmodernism: there is no absolute Truth, just a bunch of individual truths, so it doesn't matter which truth gets reported.

On a non-politcal blog I used to read, the girl linked to moveon and other leftie outlets in one of her posts. I had to comment and tell her she was crazy. You wanna know the "answer" I got?

"There are many truths, just because ours differs thats no reason not to like me".

!

Pfft!

There may be many opinions, but there is only ONE truth.

Only slightly OT

A useful-idiot-in-training paid by our tax dollars through a Fulbright scholarship. Bet they don't show her the celebrations of mass murder. http://www.gazette.net/stories

For her Fulbright project Anderson is researching how Islamic societies approach celebrations, such as weddings or graduations, and what they deem worthy as life milestones.

She will use the cultural knowledge gained to help her host events and show the proper greeting [dhimmitude] for Muslim visitors.

"I want to get a clear image of what Islam is like, separate from the violence and the killing that we often see."

cognito, did you ever write for the "Arab News"? You seem to share many of the papers charisteristic proclivities in some of your posts.

Hey, it was only six Sunnis. Who cares if they were burned to death by a Shia militia or not?

/details, details, what does anyone care about accurate reporting anyway?

AP Responds: "We're Satisfied with Our Reporting"

Well , That makes it OK!
I mean , come on now, the next thing you will say, they are faking photos!

Oh yea, they already got caught on that one ,too.
If the storys and the photos are fake - what next?

43 THX,

It happens all the time. It's constant. Here's just one example, taken from this very discussion. I wrote:

It doesn't seem to me that it should be all that hard to prove whether somebody was a police officer. For instance, was he paid? Is there documentation of him working in that capacity? And so forth.

Doesn't make a whit of difference to me which party is proven right. It's the truth that matters.

And someone responded:

But it does make a difference to most of us here, because the truth is that one party consistently distorts and manipulates the facts in order to advance their agenda. And it is not the US military.

Nothing but spam, spam-spam-sausage-eggs-sapm-grits-spam-sapm-sapm and sapm from the AP. Oh yeah and a f'k you to Ms. Carroll.

49 Gymnast,

I think that's ridiculous. But why don't you quote me? Then I'll have something to respond to.

Well, little miss Carroll, we're not satisfied with your reporting, and we are going to hound and fact check your ass unitl kingdom come. Or you convert to Islam and hide permanently behind a burkha.

A.P. you may be satisfied but I am not, and that is why I have no newspaper subscription and I don't own a T.V.

This cuts into your income by the way.

I smell troll farts again.......

Buzzsawmonkey:

ulululululululululuuulululululululululu!

ROFL!

#53 Cognito
Probably because a bunch of us have relatives in the military. When my relative came back from Iraq (both times) he told me without hesitation that most of the main stream reporting was lies.

I believe him.

#56, Cognito. Have you ever read the "Arab News"?

61 m,

I'm not talking about believing any one person.

I'm simply saying we should pursue the truth, wherever it leads. Do you disagree?

Right now, just to be clear, I'd say the truth seems to be on the side of the military.

Rather like what Douglas Adams said in The Hitch-Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy:

The Hitch-Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy is an indispensable companion to all those who are keen to make sense of life in an infinitely complex and confusing Universe, for though it cannot hope to be useful or informative on all matters, it does make the reassuring claim that where it is inaccurate, it is at least definitively inaccurate. In cases of major discrepancy it is always reality that's got it wrong.

So for instance, when the Guide were sued by the families of those who had died as a result of taking the entry on the planet Traal literally (it said 'Ravenous Bugblatter Beasts often make a very good meal for visiting tourists' instead of "Ravenous Bugblatter Beasts often make a very good meal of visiting tourists') the editors claimed that the first version of the sentence was the more aesthetically pleasing, summoned a qualified poet to testify under oath that beauty was truth, truth beauty, and hoped therefore to prove that the guilty party in this case was life itself for failing to be either beautiful or true.

The judges concurred, and in a moving speech held that life itself was in contempt of court, and duly confiscated it from all those there present before going off for a pleasant evening's ultragolf.

-The Original Hitch-Hiker Radio Scripts, by Douglas Adams, p. 195.

In this case, truth is beginning to look significantly stranger than even satiric science fiction.

cheers

eon

Let this whore for the Caliphate know what you think:

*************
kathleen.carroll@ap.org
kcarroll@ap.org
*************

Cognito,

See if this will work:

[Link: www.wehelpisrael.com...]

Please excuse me for not being computer-savvy enough to post a cool url link. Any tips on how I can accomplish that would definitely be appreciated. Thanks.

62 gymnast,

You're the one who made the assertion, not me.

So again: Why don't you quote me? And then I'll have something to respond to.

#39

There was a thread on LGF about this division within the AP around the time of the Fauxtography scandals, from some gal who used to work there, who blandly described the system, while asking whether it might affect their point of view (like, could they keep the two versions separate, or avoid cross-contamination).

The idea that they save money by doing only one story was NOT in that thread, but it does indeed seem likely...

Of course AP is satisfied.
Their competition is Reuters!

What could happen? The NYT and WAPO etc. are going to drop them?

#39 Cognito

This may be what Omega2012 is looking for. Does it look familiar?

#35 Omega

I disagree that this is about money. Do you think AP would take money from the US government and quietly print propaganda for Bush?

No, that's so ludicrous I can't even suppose it without cracking up.

This is bias, alright. Not so much bias against R's and for D's (though that's a consequence). It's bias against reality, reason, individual rights, and the US of A.

A number of people on this thread have said this: MSM (and especially AP) view the US as the enemy.

Warding, berry berry warding...

Think about it. What possible reason explains APs and other western news outlets, insistence on treasonous reporting?

Payola. Lot's of petro-dollars out there looking for a home.

#52 missouri boy 11/30/2006 03:09PM PST

AP Responds: "We're Satisfied with Our Reporting"

Well , That makes it OK!
I mean , come on now, the next thing you will say, they are faking photos!

Oh yea, they already got caught on that one ,too.
If the storys and the photos are fake - what next?

I'm hoping that reports of their still printing stories will be fake soon.

It is time for the US and its allies to classify the AP and Reuters as enemy combatants:
Associating with as well as aiding, abetting and giving comfort to the enemy in time of war...

Well, little miss Carroll, we're not satisfied with your reporting, and we are going to hound and fact check your ass unitl kingdom come. Or you convert to Islam and hide permanently behind a burkha.

Well, she's certainly got the face for a burqa.

#63 Cognito

I'm not talking about believing any one person.

But see, that one person made me suspect everything that comes out of the msm.

I'm simply saying we should pursue the truth, wherever it leads. Do you disagree?

No disagreement there. Was just explaining why I don't automatically think the military is lying as *cough*some*cough* do.

Everyone here has asked for the TRUTH. Show me where they've said even if the gov is lying, that's okay.

At no point does Carroll deal with the major issue—the only issue, really: that enemy sources are using Western news gathering networks, specifically the Associated Press and Reuters, to disseminate propaganda.

The fundamental problem here (and why al-AP never apologizes) is that the MSM in no way considers these sources the enemy.

#45 Omega2012

I'll see if I can find the article.

Thanks. I'm curious about that point too. Will check back to see if you've been able to locate the source.

#77 Spiritualized 11/30/2006 03:19PM PST

Well, she's certainly got the face for a burqa.

Whoa! I didn't need that! LOL

71 wrenchwench,

Not to split hairs here, but that link refers to APTN, which has nothing to do with the AP's general wire service. And I think that's what Omega was referring to.

And just to be clear: I'm no apologist for the Associated Press. I certainly don't think, for instance, that the APTN outfit is run properly. But I do think we should be clear who we're accusing of what.

"there is one thing a professor can be absolutely certain of: almost every student entering the university believes, or says he believes, that truth is relative...The students, of course, cannot defend their opinion. It is something with which they have been indoctrinated."

Allan Bloom, from The Closing of the American Mind

#77 spirit

That pic explains a lot. I think I saw her last week in Daytona on a Harley. It was dyke week in Daytona.

#71 WrenchWench,

Thanks. That's a different link to the same article.

#72 Bearster,

I don't doubt at all that the international news organizations have their anti-American biases and would never be pro-Bush, but I do believe that what the article linked in #67 and/or #71 says is hard to dispute. Even if you disagree it's still worth reading to consider.

AP to bloggers: Don't you know who I am?!?

78 m,

I'm not sure what you're asserting -- that I always think the military is lying? Well, if you knew me you'd know otherwise; I'll be happy to respond to any quotes of mine you can provide. Or are you saying the AP always thinks that? If so, that's a valid argument, and not mine to dispute.

As for your last point, please see my post 53. I said it doesn't matter to me which party is telling the truth. The responder said it does matter -- that is, he or she doesn't care to see the truth come down on an inconvenient side.

I say both sides have lied before, and both sides have told the truth.

In this case -- I'll reiterate -- it certainly seems like the AP is either lying at worst, or making a terrible defense of itself at least.

When the men and women come home with complete honor from Iraq there´s gonna be a lot of explaining to do by the likes of AP, Al-Reuters, UPI etc. This works both ways. Military bloggers have already called out print media as full-on liars. (LA-Times)

When the dust settles, this will be a historic moment and an explosion of the myths, truths and lies regarding Iraqi skirmishes. As many of us here on this site are former service members, most of us still know career military that are serving in Iraq. I for one will be contacting the zeros and enlisted with MSM reporting accounts in hand and will document the reactions accordingly.

#89 Cognito
I'm saying the AP thinks that. And Reuters, and CNN, and ABC, and... I could go on...

*spit*

88 tfk,

So, Congito, am I getting under your skin, do I make you wish you did not ever learn to read, do the wacko things I put in print here piss you off 100%, do you wish I would just shut the hell up and go away...........

Good heavens no, tfk. You're a real source of amusement for me. I like having you around.

#86 Omega2012

I thought I blew it until I clicked on yours and saw it was the same thing.

#82 Cognito

Not to split hairs here, but that link refers to APTN, which has nothing to do with the AP's general wire service.

Did you read this part?

Associated Press Television News (APTN) is a wholly owned subsidiary of AP. It was formally set up as a separate entity in 1994. It is run as a commercial entity and aims to make a profit. Any profit it does make is fed back to AP (which is non-profit making: APTN profits reduce the newsgathering costs incurred by the 1500 US newspapers that collectively own the AP).

Doesn't sound like "nothing" to me. You are splitting hairs.

#50 Killian Bundy 11/30/2006 03:08PM PST

Hey, it was only six Sunnis. Who cares if they were burned to death by a Shia militia or not?

/details, details, what does anyone care about accurate reporting anyway?

/democracy woohoo......bullshit

92 m,

Can't argue with you there. AP and its counterparts have a lot of explaining to do.

"We're Satisfied with Our Reporting"

Well, all righty then, carry on and sorry for the inconvenience.

Meanwhile, the MSM is sitting on this story, and they are all still running AP newswire feeds.

The AP may need to make up use some new "police sources" now.

Blogdom needs to stay on the AP's collective ass, since everyone else is eating out of their hand.

95 wrenchwench,

Yes, I did know that, but it hasn't got a thing to do with the story at hand. You're asserting that the AP runs all its wire service stories through some sort of Arab filter -- which just isn't the case.

Again -- I'm not arguing that the AP has no bias. It certainly does. But in this case you're wrong about a special layer of Arab proofreading. It just doesn't happen.

Question for the AP: where are the pictures of the "dead Sunnis'" funerals? Oh - people in the hood carted them off and buried them? No funerals? No weeping relatives? No dandy photo-ops of people crying on the casket? No death certificates? No names?

Odd, that.

Abbas ready to pull plug on unity government talks

jpost

more Bush Olmert lies, MR Olmert was unity gov't not a condition of ceasefire?

Ahem.

What about the newspapers that used AP's feed on this? I would guess that contacting, say, the Boston Globe or the San Francisco Chronicle would waste time, but what about the Washington Times, which used AP's feed for their story?

We're not the only consumers of AP's material. We're not the only ones who should be dissatisfied with AP's reporting.

Almost Pravada

AP: Arab Propaganda

104 Dianna,

Exactly. And I'd say contacting the San Francisco and Boston papers isn't useless -- indeed, it's the sick who need medical attention most.

I'm of the opinion that we need some sort of system that actually penalizes reporters and media outlets for publishing false stories. I'm not talking jail time. I don't know what the correct punishment should be - maybe a monetary fine? I don't know the answer but I do know that accountability is necessary and it isn't happening here considering the AP is stating that they're "satisfied" with their reporting. What a joke the media has become - a very sad and depressing joke.

When there is no other way to further your agenda than to lie, you have reached the point of abject moral bankruptcy: The Dissociated Mess is there, baby.

I think they'll have to work hard to beat AFP And Al-Goiters to the bottom, though.

Could be Pravda

#101 Cognito

You're asserting that the AP runs all its wire service stories through some sort of Arab filter --

Got a link for that?

"We're Satisfied with Our Reporting"

Of course they are. They won the election, Didn't they?

47 m

There may be many opinions, but there is only ONE truth.

"What is truth?" - Pontius Pilate

Keep in mind the AP is still cheesed off that the US Military is holding one of their photographers Bilal Hussein in the pokey. Read this AP statement on the subject and then try to convince me that the AP provides an unbiased perspective in Iraq.

Military officials say that Hussein was being held for "imperative reasons of security" under United Nations resolutions. A Pentagon spokesman reiterated that stance Sept. 18. Hussein is a 35-year-old Iraqi citizen and a native of Fallujah. AP executives said an internal review of his work did not find anything to indicate inappropriate contact with insurgents, and any evidence against him should be brought to the Iraqi criminal justice system. Hussein began working for the AP in September 2004. He photographed events in Fallujah and Ramadi until he was detained.

#95 wrenchwench
ooh! buuuuurn
/kelso

I wish Rayra could come back temporarily just for trolls like this.

#68, cognito. I asked you a question and commented on your style. You have answered neither question, but your style looks familiar.

Is George Bush gonna invite Marwan Barghouti to his house?

One of Condi's oppressed lads....

#107 Cognito 11/30/2006 03:43PM PST

104 Dianna,

Exactly. And I'd say contacting the San Francisco and Boston papers isn't useless -- indeed, it's the sick who need medical attention most.

I'd agree on this point. Anybody who uses these stories needs to be told what is going on. Some of them may care that they were unknowingly(?) printing lies. They will care more if you're in the area to subscribe to them, but they probably will not just ignore you or others who complain.

One thing bothers me. When I see AP I know the story will be bullshit. But I saw several papers/stories reporting this incident, and many did not identify the source as AP. Or they made reference to the story. Naturally, CBS did.

Interesting how this pollution circulates. How many retractions will we get?

#101 Cognito

Again -- I'm not arguing that the AP has no bias. It certainly does. But in this case you're wrong about a special layer of Arab proofreading. It just doesn't happen.

I'll remember you said that next time I read about "the Prophet Mohammed" or "the Holy Koran" in the major news outlets.

#102 Catttt

Question for the AP: where are the pictures of the "dead Sunnis'" funerals? Oh - people in the hood carted them off and buried them? No funerals? No weeping relatives? No dandy photo-ops of people crying on the casket? No death certificates? No names?

Odd, that.

How dare you ask for proof you unruly feline! You must take our word for it! We are the AP!

;)

#101 Cognito

But in this case you're wrong about a special layer of Arab proofreading. It just doesn't happen.

Cogitate on this.

13 jrdroll

It was Kathleen Carroll who lept to the defense of the AP's coverage of Green Helmet Guy and the AP's shameful complicity in the Hezbollah exploitation of images of dead Lebanese children:

What is her background? Does anyone know about her history? I may be daft but should not someone in such a influential position be held to a higher security standard?

Funny that the bogus Iraqi police official/AP informant, Capt. Jamil Hussein first made an appearance in the AP on April 27, of this year (info from flopping aces) which is just a couple weeks after AP photographger Bilal Hussein was imprisoned by the US Military. So it took the AP two whole weeks to find another insurgent to put on the payroll. I wonder if they posted the job opening at Monster.com?

Below is a news story re the Iraqi MOI, the source of the info being used to discredit AP. As far as I know, the MOI is the only source that the Army public affairs people consulted on this issue. This report is only one of many of its kind. Anyone concerned about credibility should read this. (Article truncated due to space limitations.)

Inquiry suggests graft, brutality are rife in Iraq
By Solomon Moore, Los Angeles Times | July 9, 2006

BAGHDAD -- Brutality and corruption are rampant in Iraq's police force, with abuses including the rape of female prisoners, the release of terrorism suspects in exchange for bribes, and participation in insurgent bombings, according to confidential Iraqi government documents . . .

A recent assessment by State Department police-training contractors underscores the investigative documents, concluding that strong paramilitary and insurgent influences . . . and endemic corruption have undermined public confidence . . .

Officers have also beaten prisoners to death, been involved in kidnapping rings, sold thousands of stolen and forged Iraqi passports, and passed along vital information to insurgents. . .

The documents . . . were authenticated by current and former police officials. The alleged offenses span dozens of police units and hundreds of officers from beat cops to generals and police chiefs. Officers were punished in some instances, but the vast majority of cases are either under investigation or were dropped because of lack of evidence or witness testimony.

The investigation documents are the latest in a string of disturbing revelations of abuse and corruption by Iraq's Interior Ministry . . .

After the discovery . . . of a secret Interior Ministry detention facility . . . operated by police intelligence officials affiliated with a Shi'ite Muslim militia, US officials declared 2006 ``the year of the police." They vowed . . . to expand and professionalize Iraq's civilian officer corps.

President Bush has said that the training of a competent Iraqi police force is linked to the timing of an eventual withdrawal of US troops and a key element in the war in Iraq.

But US officials say the renegade force in the ministry's intelligence service that ran the bunker in Baghdad's Jadiriya neighborhood continues to operate out of the Interior Ministry A senior US military official in Iraq, who was interviewed last month on condition of anonymity, confirmed that one of the leaders of the renegade group, Mahmoud al-Waeli, is the ``minister of intelligence for the Badr Corps" Shi'ite militia and a main recruiter of paramilitary elements for interior police forces.

``We're gradually working the process to take them out of the equation," the military official said. ``We developed the information. We also developed a prosecutorial case."

Bayan Jabr, a prominent Shi'ite, was interior minister at the time of the investigations detailed in the documents and has been accused of allowing Shi'ite paramilitary fighters to run rampant in the security forces under his watch.

US officials interviewed said the ability of Jabr's replacement, Jawad Bolani, to deal with the pervasive corruption and militia influence in the police will be a crucial test of his leadership.

The challenges facing Bolani, a Shi'ite engineer who has no policing experience and who entered politics for the first time after the US-led invasion of 2003, are highlighted in a recent assessment by police trainers hired by the State Department. According to that report, corruption in the Interior Ministry has hampered its effectiveness and its credibility with Iraqis.

. . . [Much more].

#125 txlady
Ck,#24,it gives some of her "professional" background

U.S. warns of possible Qaeda financial cyber attack

The U.S. government has warned U.S. private financial services of an al Qaeda call for a cyber attack against U.S. online stock trading and banking Web sites beginning Friday, officials said on Thursday.

The officials -- a person familiar with the warning and a spokesman for the Department of
Homeland Security -- said the Islamic militant group aimed to penetrate and destroy the databases of the U.S. stock market and banking Web sites.

Homeland Security said it had no evidence to corroborate the threat but had issued the warning out of an "abundance of caution." The department said in a statement that the threat was for all of December.

The mainstream media lost my confidence at a young age, as I witnessed my (decorated veteran) late father's head explode almost every evening during the nightly news in the Viet Nam era. Non-stop vignettes of college protesters and flag burnings. Raw, unbridled criticism of the American military. Body counts leading every newscast. And the most egregious lie of all, perpetuated at each and every turn: that we were an inferior foe, and were losing to the enemy. I guess what goes around, comes around.

#127 JustMyView

And just precisely what does this have to do with the topic?

#125

She's a "Good Ole Boy".

AP's Kathleen Carroll Elected to Pulitzer Board

By Caroline Ladhani

Kathleen Carroll, the executive editor and a senior vice president of the Associated Press (AP), has been elected to the Pulitzer Prize Board.

Carroll has served as executive editor for AP since 2002 and as senior vice president since September 2003. Before joining the news organization 25 years ago, she studied journalism at the University of Texas at Arlington and worked as a reporter for The Dallas Morning News.

The Dallas bureau of AP first hired Carroll in 1978. She quickly rose through the ranks, being promoted to news editor of the Newark , N.J. , bureau in 1981; in 1982, she became city editor and then assistant chief of the Los Angeles bureau.

For the next several years, Carroll worked first as a business editor for The International Herald Tribune in Paris and then as an editor for the San Jose Mercury News.

She returned to AP for a time in 1990 as a Washington , D.C. , bureau news editor until Knight Ridder hired her as Washington bureau news editor in 1996. She became Knight Ridder's Washington bureau chief in 1999, supervising both Washington and overseas coverage for the newspaper group. During that time, Knight Ridder reporters won a 2001 George Polk Award for international reporting.

Carroll has been a member of the American Society of Newspaper Editors since 1996 and has served on its Readership and Craft Development Committees. She also is a member of the Associated Press Managing Editors' Board of Directors and the APME board's executive committee.
She joins the Pulitzer Board in the 88th year of the awards. The 2004 Pulitzer Prizes will be announced on April 5 and presented on May 24 at Columbia University . Columbia awards the prizes after their determination by the Pulitzer board. Members of the board serve a maximum of nine years.

[Link: www.columbia.edu...]

Tune into Glenn Beck CNN HL. He's going to connect the dots tonight. 7 pm est

111 wrenchwench,

Got a link? Well no... it's right here in this thread. In post 71 you provided a link to support Omega's post 35, in which he or she offered the opinion that,

a number of Islamic nations, including Saudi Arabia, pay the AP and Reuters large sums of money to sanitize articles in a way that makes them reader-friendly in Arabic nations.

Or am I misreading?

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124 Beagle,

See previous posts on this thread.

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116 m,

Burn in what way? You'll see I responded to that post.

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gymnast,

Um, no. I do not write for Arab News. The question was so absurd I didn't bother answering.

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tfk,

You know you're my favorite.

---

Et al:

I'll say again that I'm not defending the AP. They're biased. Period. But to say there's some sort of Arab cabal that has proofreaders checking each AP story before it hits the wires is so conspiratorial it weakens the truth of the matter. It's intellectually lazy.

#111 wrenchedwench

Got a link for that?

It's In The Koran Honey!

OT
I have never bought in to the notion that it was "all over" in Europe, but now I'm not so sure.

Also from Pravda, this one needs a caption.

I think I sense a recall of pod-people who work at the Associated to the terrorists Press. Seems they got a whole crop of Jayson Blairs.

Jayson Blair gets canned for writing ficticious NEWS articles. But dear liberally sainted fellow traveller Carrol does not fire her reporter for using ficticious sources to push inflamatory ficticious news articles.

Muslim Supporting Media, thou art the enema to all that is good about the West.

#117 Earth2moonbat

I wish Rayra could come back temporarily just for trolls like this.

In this case, at least to me, troll just doesn't seem to be the correct term.

/how about abuse magnet?

And gymnast,

If you're goint to compare things I've said to the Arab News, why don't you quote me?

So simple.

I think you don't quote me because you can't. I've never said anything to back up some sort of pro-Arab viewpoint.

Well, AP has had sufficient breathing time, that if pushed, I bet some of their "stringers" can actually produce six burned corpses. So, all that would be missing would be three more mosques that were destroyed (not merely burned as the one was)when the story was four burned out mosques.
I'm betting that in time they will come up with a better story. For example, there is a policeman using an alias, for his own protection of course.
All we have right now is an unsubstantiated story backed up by a fictional police captain that the MOI says does not exist. Period. No record. This is further backed up by unnamed witnesses, although there are others that say it never happened. There were no bodies turned in at the morgue. They were apparently buried that day in the Sunni graveyard. (I'm guessing the other three mosques regenerated?)

I'm thinking that the AP probably needs a bigger shovel for ths hole they keep digging.

Gee, I guess this could not be an AP story, it is saying something that has evidence behind it.

[Link: www.iranpressnews.com...]

ot....wtf! glenn beck just got cut off here...it's not the first time either!

Cognito,

Try reading the link next time.

What this means is that while there are around 50 people producing news pictures for the whole world working in Camden at any time, there are a further 50 Arabic speaking staff producing finished stories exclusively for the Arab states of the gulf. This has a tremendous effect on the whole feel of the building as these two teams feed pictures and people back and forth and sit in adjacent work areas. The slant of the stories required by the Gulf States has a definite effect on which footage is used and discarded. This affects both the Gulf newsroom and the main global newsroom.

#131 Cartman
That's what gets me. They are trying to make us lose another war without losing. My cousin said he'd do it all over again because he knows the good he did. They want to take that away.

Another example:
#120 victor_yugo

If the choice were yours, would you go back?
I would go back. I think we're doing great things over there. The media doesn't show it, but we are. People are getting medical attention they've never had before. Running water, sewer systems, electricity. Things we take for granted here, they never had, and we're working with, you know, contractors, engineers and building these types of things. And the people over there, they love us. Ninety-eight percent of them love us, it's just a small few extremists that don't like us in Iraq. For some reason, the media doesn't show all the great things we're doing in Iraq. They exploit the negative stories.

Granted, that's only the Iraqi's he came in contact with, but my cousin told me the same thing.

E2M,

I wish Rayra could come back temporarily just for trolls like this.

This one talks in circles, don't it?

117 e2m,

Is that me you're calling a troll?

If so, then fine. I'm a troll. But if you're going to call me that, why don't you quote the trollish things I've said?

I think I've done nothing that's even remotely outlandish here. If I've offended you, then by gum I suggest a thicker skin, because I'm as gentle as a lamb.

#142 Cognito

I've never said anything to back up some sort of pro-Arab viewpoint.

'Scuse me? Anti-Israel is the same as pro-Arab. Less than 24 hours ago, someone with the nic "Cognito" was trying to make the case that the US should try to twist Israel's arm to hand the Golan over to Syria, under the weird theory that that would somehow help out the US. Buying that whole disingenuous "land for peace" line is tantamount to being pro-Arab.

#132 Earth2moonbat

It appears that JMV is inferring that the AP Iraqi sources are to be trusted, but not the U.U. military or their sources.

146 Beagle,

No offense, but maybe you shouldn't admonish me to read more closely.

You're referring to APTN. Which is an atrocity. But it has nothing to do with the story we're talking about.

The story we're talking about came from the AP's print wire service, not the APTN's global newsroom.

OT:

NSFW or those who are religiously over-sensitive (Can't laugh at themselves):

G-d Will F#¢* You Up

I laughed until I cried.

Here is a transcript from an interview with Kathleen Carrol in which she defends Bilal Hussein and the AP for using his work.

Bilal grew up in Fallujah. I don't know about you, but not all the people that I grew up with turned out exactly well. You know, some of them ended up doing things that our mothers might not like. I don't know whether that's the case with Bilal, because we've never had any names associated with this. Just they think his relationships are unsavory. Any journalist will tell you that occasionally you end up having dinner with or interviewing or taking pictures of somebody that you might not want to have over to the house, but that that's a part of your job as being a journalist. How could anybody in Boston, Chicago, New York or Philadelphia have covered the Mob if they didn't get to know all these colorful characters a little bit?

Insurgents are "colorful characters". Nice.

Or the U.S. military.

I don't get paid for overtime. Out'a here.

#151 easy

The inference was......how should I say......lacking?

150 e2m

I'm chuckling here. That's a case of mistaken identity, my friend. I've never said any such thing.

I'm stoutly pro-Israel.

But now you've got me wondering if this is why so many people seem so eager to take offense at what I say here.

#152 Cognito

Beagle,

No offense, but maybe you shouldn't admonish me to read more closely.

Yeah, watch your step Beagle.

/or he'll turn you into a newt!

#132 Earth2moonbat 11/30/2006 03:58PM PST

#127 JustMyView

And just precisely what does this have to do with the topic?

He is stating that the MOI officials are lying to us because of the rampant corruption within the Iraqi police forces.

He, of course, also ignores that in the very story he linked, it details the corrupt officials being put to trial, and LARGELY being found not guilty, because the evidence isn't there. Also, you'll note our military is working to end the corruption.

#153 Hucbald
I'm crying over here ROTFF

#157 Cognito 11/30/2006 04:13PM PST

150 e2m

I'm chuckling here. That's a case of mistaken identity, my friend. I've never said any such thing.

I'm stoutly pro-Israel.

But now you've got me wondering if this is why so many people seem so eager to take offense at what I say here.

I have seen several posts that seem VERY unlike you around here. And I think the first letter is never capitalized when it happens.

Not sure what it means.

138 easy Pretty close to a wardrobe malfunction.

#149 cognito

I think I've done nothing that's even remotely outlandish here. If I've offended you, then by gum I suggest a thicker skin, because I'm as gentle as a lamb.

Generally speaking, I would tend to agree with at least a part of your self-assessment. IMO, you tend to set off red flags all over the place with a style that smacks of smug certitude. The label of "troll" may be unfair, yet there seems to be a pattern of confrontation, that doesn't always reflect mere intellectual curiosity or discourse. Despite what you may think, you are not dealing with 'mental midgets' here. A little humility goes a long way...

OT but not really
Winston Churchill can never be OT
I would be remiss if I did not mark Churchill's birthday, born on this date in 1874. Happy Birthday, Winston!
What would the great Lion of London, one of my heroes, have to say about the state of affairs in his beloved Britain? Probably something like this:
Never in the field of human conflict stupidity has so much been owed surrendered by so many to so few.
I'm off to the pub(ok, my garage) to hoist a few.
Carry on, Lizard Nation.

158 killian,

That's the very definition of 'ad hominem.'

You can't dispute what I say, so you attack my character instead. It's a bit third-grade, really.

BabbaZee! How ya feeling sunshine?

157 Cognito

Odd that someone who is stoutly pro-Israel would make this comment

Gosh, Charles. You've put me in the position of agreeing about something with Alan Dershowitz. And on Thanksgiving!

That's just un-American.

If you generally disagree with Alan Dershowitz its not easy to see how you would be stoutly pro-Israel.

Jes sayin.

163 cartman,

Maybe that's a criticism I should think hard about. I certainly don't mean to come off as smug.

But I'd say your criticism is a far cry from what I'm seeing from other quarters. People slinging accusations that range from trollishness to liberalness to downright Arabness.

None of which I embody. Shouldn't I defend myself against such nonsense? And it is nonsense. All you have to do is read my posts to see I believe in none of those things.

#165 cognito

That's the very definition of 'ad hominem.'

You can't dispute what I say, so you attack my character instead. It's a bit third-grade, really.

And?

/am I supposed to care or feel bad about it?

{m}

Hmmmmmm,
2 Cognito's
Upper case
Lowe case

#132 Earth2moonbat

And just precisely what does this have to do with the topic?

It's related to the topic because it's this august organization that has denied the existence of Jamil Hussein, and US military seems to have relied on reports from the MOI in its reports. Given their apparent liabilities, it's not obvious that their reports should be trusted.

167 mich-again,

Wow. I only said that because Alan Dershowitz is highly liberal, and I'm not.

And if you simply read that comment, you'll see I AGREE with him on the matter of Israel.

For heaven's sake folks.

#161 Chyron

Check out 165. Either a weird coincidence, or some sock puppetry.

171 Stuck in california

Our nics aren't case sensitive.

#160 BabbaZee

I hoped you would see that post because I just knew you would find it funny. The punchline about the Presbyterian was almost too much to handle.

How are you feeling, m'lady?

Just for the sake of arguement, how would the media and the AP react if the Hussain informant was a terrorist spokesman, er insurgent militant spokesperson who had been disavowed by the terrorist, I mean insurgeant militants. Would the AP no longer use him as a source from the terrorists oops, insurgeant militants? You bet your ass they wouldn't. However they print any tripe that comes in from a source the American and Iraqi governments repeatedly disavow. I have given up on the media. The only thing the liberal news whores understand is losing circulation and profits.

Well that's great, AP. I'm satisfied too. I just had a delicious sub sandwich. Oh, your reporting...not so good.

169 Killian,

That's cool. Totally up to you.

test #1

R

test #2

R

Next.

R,
R

175 Mich- Again

Back to lurking.........

#176 Hucbald

It was perfect, I just came here and sat down, and that's where it refreshed to.
It made my night, I needed the laugh .... BAD.
I almost couldn't breathe from the laughing,
I had to play it twice to hear it through!
I'm still in the throes of not being 100%
but I'm getting there.....

"He'll f-you uuup"

/man, that sticks in your head.

#172 JustMyView

For the sake of argument: Let's assume that neither organization is credible. The story is still BS. Even if the MOI has issues, that doesn't make AP credible. It's not as if they don't have a long history of passing on bogus stories (exhibit A: the ambulance that wasn't struck by an Israeli missile).

We don't need to prove that the story is false, AP needs to prove that it's true.

I'm still waiting for the flood of comments in which I offer up anti-Israel views, guys.

If you're going to sling that crap around, back it up.

173 Cognito

Dershowitz is definately liberal but his POV regarding Israel is well known and consistent. It seemed from that post that you were a bit surprised you found yourself actually agreeeing with Dershowitz.

That's just un-American.

133 jrdroll 11/30/2006 03:58PM PST

#125

She's a "Good Ole Boy".

Yeah. I saw that. I was thinking more personal. Her proffesional career tells me little about her, other than she likes power and she thinks that being a good old boy is a good thing. I'm looking for more in the red meat isle on her. PERSONAL type of stuff.

This particular tale is just one in a very long list of stories the media has lied about or outright made up.This isn't anything new.Hell,the first reporters for the first paper ever printed after Guttenburg invented the printing press probably pulled this type of crap.The earliest papers were nothing but one sided ragsheets and not much has changed but more makeup on the pig.I'm in my late 40's now and gave up on newspapers and tv news around 20 years ago...my travels,some courtesy of Uncle Sam,allowed my eyes to see things that were either never reported on or were outright lies.I know quite a number of people that have served ( or are presently serving) in Iraq and Afghanistan,both older Guard folks and their sons/daughters;each has told me the same thing when returning-they do not recognize what they see on the news and almost all of them,other than the son of a co-worker who was a mechanic inside the Green Zone,ever saw a reporter in the field. Sun-tzu said thousands of years ago (The Art of War) that all war is deception.We (the West) are being deceived on a daily basis by the MSM by their use of the enemy for their information.This AP situation would be so easy for them to clear-if they seemingly can contact Hussein at will,why do they not produce him? My own feeling is that he does not exist and when push comes to shove the AP will claim something along the lines of him being killed. There should be accountability of the press and investigation from the Federal level.No one is above the law here and the people that have the responsibilty of reporting the news-that which should be regarded as the truth-should live up to that responsibility or face the consequences.

gotta drive home. my baby girl is waiting.
I'll check this later on

m

I'm gonna be singing that for days now LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

I can find NO Sunni mosque pictures. None at Getty. None from AP.

I think CBS News is trying to fool people again.

From 11/28/6 - CBS news ran a story with a picture of men cleaning a damaged building next to their story supporting the mosque alleged fire of 11/24/6. I searched Getty Images for it and found the picture. It is of a HOUSE and was taken on 11/21/6 - three days earlier.

Caption:
BAGHDAD, IRAQ - NOVEMBER 21: Iraqis clean their house damaged by a U.S air strike on November 21, 2006 in Sadr city Shiite neighborhood in Baghdad, Iraq. At least three people were killed and 11 were wounded in a U.S air strike carried out in the Sadr city neighborhood in Baghdad in hunt for a U.S solider abducted in Baghdad about a month ago. (Photo by Wathiq Khuzaie/Getty Images)
Copyright: 2006 Getty Images
By/Title: Wathiq Khuzaie/Stringer
Date Created: 21 Nov 2006 12:00 AM
City, State, Country: Baghdad, , Iraq
Credit: Getty Images
Collection: Getty Images News
Source: Getty Images Europe
Date Submitted: 21 Nov 2006 04:45 AM
File Size/Pixels/DPI: 1072K/2006x3000/300
Keywords: Baghdad,Iraq,violence,sectrain,Sadr,militia,Shiite ,Sunni,U.S,raid,72612427, 1
Orientation: Horizontal
Object Name: 72612427WK002_sadr
Restrictions: Contact your local office for all commercial or promotional uses.
Release Information: No release.

#175 MiCh-AgAin

Our nics aren't case sensitive.

Maybe not, but how many people retype it every time?

188 Mich-again,

I really can't be any clearer on this. My previous experience with A. Dershowitz has been on matters other than Israel. He has long been famous for those other matters.

He is extremely liberal. I am not.

And for pete's sake, if you'll do nothing more than read the post YOU quoted, you'll see that I AGREE with him on Israel.

I re-type. Every single time.

SAFETY
FEATURES,
R

BabbaZee

Well, there's that psychotic psychic link "thing" we have again. ;^)

186 Earth2moonbat
Exactly,given all the recent news scandals,the press no longer has the benefit of the doubt,it once had.
ex.jason blair
faux-tography
fake bush memos

E2M,

Still waiting. Please quote.

#136 Cognito

111 wrenchwench,

Got a link? Well no... it's right here in this thread. In post 71 you provided a link to support Omega's post 35, in which he or she offered the opinion that,

a number of Islamic nations, including Saudi Arabia, pay the AP and Reuters large sums of money to sanitize articles in a way that makes them reader-friendly in Arabic nations.

Or am I misreading?

I offered a link to support Omega's post, therefore you can attribute a quotation from Omega to me?

Misreading, miswriting, missing some logic...I don't know.

#198 Hucbald
It's eerie.
BTW I have to talk to you
about that thing, you know...
THAT thing.
LOL!
I'll e-mail later.

#197 buzzsawmonkey

You're on a roll, today!

Cog

chat.

R

201 wrenchwench.

Um... all right. So you were offering support for an argument you didn't believe?

Undoubtedly, the MSM/AP, Reuters, British tabloids and various other dirty laundry providers have determined that their audience has topped out with nowhere else to go so what the hell.

Last I saw, the print media was held in lower public opinion than any establishment besides Congress. Obviously, reputation must be unimportant to them.

Until people quit buying the rags and the circulation has dropped so low as to force advertisers to refuse to monetarily support them, I guess it's inevitable that the lying facade will continue.

I'm actually excited about the possible hostile takeover of the NYT. This might help to speed up the process in the elimination of the desire to help the enemy. Nothing would please me more than to watch some NYT libs walk the streets with tin cup in hand. I might even put in a quarter.

#193 Catttt

Actually, that picture has no relation to the story, that I could tell. I think they just use these pictures like clip art, just something to fill in some white space.

They may be trying to decieve, or they may be just filling up space. As I've said before, it's almost impossible to tell where lazyness stops and agenda starts.

Wow. The NY Times has a piece (a news blog column) that sums up the blow-by-blow.

So Just Who Is Capt. Jamil Hussein?

The one thing that remains unclear, though, is this: The Associated Press said in its story yesterday that Mr. Hussein “has been a regular source of police information for two years and had been visited by the AP reporter in his office at the police station on several occasions.” The military, meanwhile, seems to suggest that Mr. Hussein is not a police officer, nor a civil servant in the employ of any Iraqi agency.

So who IS Mr. Hussein?

At the end of the day, we have AP journalists with reporting and images from the actual neighborhood versus official spokesmen -

AP news screening process:

Executive #1: That's not news.
Executive #2: It sounds like news!
Executive #3: Let's run it!

In the matter of AP's credibility:

When you ain't got nuthin, you got nuthin to lose.

#208 Earth2moonbat

I know. IMHO, it is deliberate. Also, it just shows that they have NO pictures whatsoever of the alleged incident, the bodies, the witnesses, etc. I can't even find a picture of the alleged burned mosque, and even the Military said that one mosque was damaged.

#207 goodbye_natalie

Until people quit buying the rags and the circulation has dropped so low as to force advertisers to refuse to monetarily support them, I guess it's inevitable that the lying facade will continue.

Tell the moonbats that "dead tree" media is bad for Gaia.

#77

I knew I seen her before

Cog,

Ya been quoted. Your attitude sucks. You talk in circles. You are not liked. That is why you are called a troll. I think you're an ass as well.

#213 E2M,

Tell the moonbats that "dead tree" media is bad for Gaia.

E2M, you been on a roll lately. LOL. Do you think it would work? I still like the idea of your PCB transformers. Maybe between that and the asbestos scare, we could con the chicken little libs into establishing that colony on some other planet per Stephen Hawkings. I'd be willing to up my scant tax dollars to NASA if it would speed up the process.

They tell me Venus is quite warm this time of year and libs love tropical weather.

It's Official

'Former Russian PM poisoned

I guess they're competing with the new James Bond film for attention from the press.

/Got Polonium?

#206 Cognito 11/30/2006 04:36PM PST

201 wrenchwench.

Um... all right. So you were offering support for an argument you didn't believe?

I said I didn't say it. I didn't say I didn't believe it. I believe what's in the link I provided. It concludes thusly:

Without question APTN’s interesting business model represents a concrete example of an ongoing financial “contribution” to an important communication agency promoting a pro-Arab bias. [emphasis mine.]

Do you not believe this?

The story we're talking about came from the AP's print wire service, not the APTN's global newsroom.

And you're trying to say that the wholly-owned subsidiary which provides the pictures has no effect on the words or hiring of AP proper?

"We're Satisfied with Our Reporting"

Our farts smell outstanding.

216 Murq,

Quoted? Someone asserted that I'm anti-Israel. I asked for quotes to support that assertion. I have yet to see one.

I don't talk in circles, although I'd invite you to quote me doing so. And I'm not an ass. I'm actually a nice guy.

This is a "Godfather" movie.

Quote me!

Dude, I think your a dick. I think you have an attitude. I think you talk in circles. I don't have to provide a link to that shit, just start at the top of the thread and read it.

Let me ask you, are we all assholes? Or is it just you?

I'm actually a nice guy.

Like I said, are we all assholes? Or is it just you? Judging from this thread, I'd say it's just you.

Cognito and company:

Settle this like men and have a pissing contest or eat a bug or something. I have enough of my kids arguing all day "... I know you are, but what am I..." etc.

UPDATE:
#66 Spiritualized: thanks for the email addresses.
My experience just now was that the FIRST addy bounced, and the second (kcarroll@ap.org) did not bounce. I can't say it WAS delivered, but I can say it didn't come back in any way.

Oh, and I courteously called her on her shameful sheltering of those who lie to us, for pay, while seeking to kill & maim us in Iraq and elsewhere!

MSA Terror arrest...
FBI Arrests UT Dallas Student On Gun Charge
Investigation Linked To Taliban Conspiracy Indictments

The Pakistani national is a sophomore electrical engineering student and secretary of UTD's Muslim Student Association.
Maaz Shah, who attended high school in Houston and currently lives in Richardson, was arrested for possession of a firearm by a non U.S. citizen according to the FBI.

Federal law enforcement sources say Shah surfaced in a Houston-based investigation of an alleged conspiracy to aid the Taliban.

Ahmed Subhani, the president of UTD's Muslim Student Association declined to do an on camera interview with CBS 11 on advice from Shah's attorney. Subhani told CBS 11 that he did not believe the allegations and says that Shah had not expressed support for the Taliban.
...
CBS 11 found a web posting on UTD's Muslim Student Association forum in which Shah expressed similar views and praised a video of insurgents building roadside bombs in Iraq to kill American troops. The Association pulled the entire forum off their web page after being contacted by CBS 11. You can see the video by clicking here.

#225 jrdroll 11/30/2006 04:56PM PST

This is a "Godfather" movie.

The Godfather is poisoned with Polonium after he calls for a hit on Carroll. Of course AP denies any wrong doing. However, every day another AP journalist wakes up to find a horse's head in his/her bed.

It's got potential...

I think Rick Moran raises the right questions. AP isn't writing for us. We're not the ultimate consumers. The newsrooms of the thousands of newspapers and television outlets around the world are. Those newsrooms aren't exactly bent out of shape by the questionable news sources, and that's troublesome in its own right.

More, including my roundup, here.

Got Babylonium....

dak,

Settle this like men

Fantastic idea. We can meet behind Towey's Irish Pub at 11.

They're satidifed with their reporting, much as a mother is satisfied when baby has a good bowel movement.

That did it! I'm going lower case.

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Another sign of the impending apocalypse...

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#235 ErislDythnomia: Thay whap?

#219 buzzsawmonkey 11/30/2006 04:50PM PST
#218 So?

Got Polonium?

Nope. Got Hamletium, Rosencrantzium, and Guildensternium, though.

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Yes, but do you have Shakespearium?

I've always been an Ophelium fan, myself.

Snow in KC
Being paged , back a bit later... grrr arrrggg

hey! how come cognito gets to go all e.e. cummings on his nic and i can't?

Comments: 3,331,285.

Someone recently mentioned 3,333,333.
Guess that will be tomorrow.

tfk--you paying attention?

#230 addendum....
From the MSA Message Board...

n September of 2004, Shah appeared awed by a discussion entitled Islam Under the Swastika and speculated how a different outcome of World War Two would have been beneficial for Islam, "by god (sic) just imagine the Islamic Empire combined with Japan Italy and Germany, in WWII, damn just the thought is overwhelming." Two years later in February of 2006 Shah took offense when a blogger wrote critically about Germans, "I myself have ties to the German race... I won't go into detail... but also I admire the German war machine of World War II... I just love it... war games, movies, games, anything to do with that genre is a favorite of mine... It's kind of an obsession."

If only there was some sort of name for the fusing of Islam and Fascism.
Faslamism?....no
...still working on it.

#228 dak

Settle this like men and have a pissing contest or eat a bug or something. I have enough of my kids arguing all day "... I know you are, but what am I..." etc.

No! No, no, no, no, no! I haven't had my bowl of Cap'n Crunch yet, and I'm pissed.

EC Marm,

Clear your cookies and then don't save your nic. You can type it in all sorts of fun ways then.

#244 JammieWearingFool

Comments: 3,331,285.

Someone recently mentioned 3,333,333.
Guess that will be tomorrow.

tfk--you paying attention?

What's the line on that one?

228 dak,

I don't think I've resorted to name calling. But point taken.

#245 Killgore Trout I believe the word you are looking for is: Islamofacism.

#245 Killgore Trout
Islamscismium²³⁸ Next element to be added to the periodic table. Half life 700 years.

#251 countrygurl
Islamofacism, eh? That just so crazy it just might work.

Anyone know what happend to the video about the "moderate muslim" in Tulsa, OK who was kicked out of his mosque? It's MIA along with article that WAS available at the Tulsa OK electronic newspaper site.

Read this comment over at Egyptian Sandmonkey's blog. It's by a Canadian who knows us well.
Quote:

NOTES FOR HIZ & OTHER TERRORISTS - CANADIAN VIEW
I give you one piece of advice: Do not incite the American people to war. We in Canada know a lot about the US, and how they think, and how they live, much more than the average person in Bam, Iran, or Tyre, Lebanon, knows. You think that you can use hate as a weapon to build an attack against he US, but you know not what you do. The US has over 300 million people, and they are all soldiers. The US built its country by its own hands, and from the beginning, they all accepted that freedom, liberty, and democracy were not negotiable. If by some miracle, an invasion force of Iranians attempted a landing on US soil, every man, woman and child would be there to meet them. They would not relent until it was finished. On United Airlines Flight 93, a random assortment of 40 civilian Americans was suddenly called to arms in a miniature Middle Eastern war. The ex-policewoman air hostess, the environmentalist, the marketing executive, moved against the Islamists as one, and collectively said, “We are not afraid”. Americans did not become timorous, or afraid after 9/11, instead they “got busy on yo’ ass”. After 9/11, America did not back down, and they will not back down, because the attack incited individual Americans against every Islamist, and every person who supports Islamists, or gives comfort to them. Americans are not the same as the Russians in Afghanistan, or the French in Algeria. To defeat the US, you will have to kill every one of them, and you do not know how to do that.

You clearly do not understand how rich Americans are, how many resources they have at their disposal, how intelligent, perseverant, and creative they are. Their wealth is enormous, with massive amounts of built structure: large houses, soaring office towers, highways, schools, universities, hospitals, and military bases everywhere, spanning a continent. Honestly, if you had even an inkling of what you are up against, you would cease your pointless reverse crusade immediately.

Within the last century, Americans have become extremely interested in war. They think about it, talk about it, plan for, it and rehearse it constantly. They spend huge amounts on their military every year, building installations and weapons, many types of which you have never even heard about. Tens of millions of Americans have served, do serve, and will serve in their military. We Canadians sometimes stand back and look at the Americans bemused, because one seldom even sees any of the Canadian military presence in Canada, whereas the US National Guard units stationed near Buffalo, New York, alone, have sufficient resources at their disposal to kill every Muslim on earth. Of course the Americans are right to prepare for war, because there is always another one coming, and they know that they will probably be the main target. The US even declared a “War on Poverty” in the 1960’s, but thankfully they relented before they began bombing the slums.

There's more, and it is good.

LOL

What's the line on that one?

tfk at 8-5, the field is 5-2.

ETA in less than 24 hours.

Killgore Trout - Islamofacsism is already in use, at least I have used it! It's perfect.

230 Killgore Trout

Young Mr. Shaw has left terrorist-supporting footprints all over the net. I think pleading guilty would be a good idea for him.

Addendum to my #255 DemocracyRules is his nick. He wants attribution so he can track the comment.

Well she doesn't deserve the free publicity BUT

here's that piece of work's picture

Kathleen Carrol, Executive Editor of AP

And a Closeup (scrolldown) in this very strange Self Serving Article .

The New Associated Press: A News Strategy to Fill the Gaps
In the second installment of a two-part series, Rick Edmonds examines the AP's strategy to adapt to a news cycle that has shifted from a daily miracle to a 24/7 media phenomenon.

As demonstrated part of that "Gap filling strategy" is when the facts don't fit the desired outcome, "Just Make up the news !"

Sounds as full of itself as her response to Flopping Aces and Michelle Malkin.

#247 mURQTAAD
cool. must be all that polonium 210 blowing our way from limerick that makes su so innteig intelig smart?

#257 JWF

I'll take MigueldowninMexico.

Can I lay a wager in moonbat skulls?

Beagle, that was great. And true.

Jammie (resident bookie),

Give me the field for 10 large.

#259 Catttt
Sonce we're beating up on the MSM on this thread I'd like to give kudos to Robert Riggs who wrote that article. He used actually researched/googled the suspect and gave us some nice quotes and a link or two, just like a blog. The MSM is learning slowly, we'll whip 'em all into shape sooner or later.

263 fluffy 11/30/2006 05:34PM PST

#257 JWF

I'll take MigueldowninMexico.

Can I lay a wager in moonbat skulls?

Sure, or the rotted brains brains contained therein. Plenty of those around.

Maybe with the superduper new coding Charles has been up to he could pinpoint it. Not that any of this really matters except to us numbers geeks.

#267 savage_nation

It's better because a Canadian wrote it. Besides, most of us don't have the attention span necessary to type all that.

Beagle,
Thanks, that was great! That is one of my hopes that we the people stand up. I don't think our government will, so we will. I do believe that.

#255 Beagle

The blogpost is interesting, even inspiring. Yet I find it wildly optimistic. My uneducated guess is that there might be 10 million (non-military) American adult citizens willing to take up arms and literally fight in the streets for America. If that is anywhere near accurate, it should be more than enough, barring unconventional warfare techniques. Much of America has exposed a soft underbelly, accentuated by the media and perpetuated through the words and deeds of the Democrat party. I hope and pray that if it comes down to 'brass tacks' that I'm not alone in standing up for what I believe in.

#221 beagle:

You sure that wasn't the TATP news bureau? Or at least a TATP stringer? /if the bomb belt fits

Well she doesn't deserve the free publicity BUT

here's that piece of work's picture

Kathleen Carrol, Executive Editor of AP

She's gruesome. Even money she's got her, ahem, liquor license.

#186 Earth2moonbat

For the sake of argument: Let's assume that neither organization is credible. The story is still BS. Even if the MOI has issues, that doesn't make AP credible. It's not as if they don't have a long history of passing on bogus stories (exhibit A: the ambulance that wasn't struck by an Israeli missile).

We don't need to prove that the story is false, AP needs to prove that it's true.

I agree w/ part of what you've said here--the first statement, in particular. What troubles me here is that the assumption is, so often, that the MSM is wrong--except when it isn't, which is when it reports something that is consistent w/ views commonly held by LGFers. Starting out w/ the assumption that no one is lying but that proof is needed, rather than the assumption that the MSM is both wrong and traitorous, would, in my view, be a big improvement.

W/ regard to the rest of your statement, the two stories in question (i.e., the ambulance story and the six people died story) are exceptionally difficult to document, and there is no independent assessment of either. If, for instance, we really do assume that neither the MOI or the AP are automatically credible, we shouldn't be more inclined to accept one view or the other. We should want a third view, and that is very difficult to obtain--especially in regard to the six people died story, as it's not likely the physical evidence (i.e., the bodies) would have stayed in place very long.

I do acknowledge that the MOI report raises real problems for the AP, but I don't think it has proven their case. Their motives for saying this incident did not take place are, I would say, stronger than the motivation of AP to say it did take place. After all, accounts of violence in Iraq do not seem to be hard to come by. If the AP wanted to present evidence of random violence, it seems that they would have lots of instances to choose from. And, given the multiple accounts from both journalistic and official sources of corruption, crime, and violence on the part of the police, I would say that "has issues" is not quite strong enough as a characterization of the MOI. So, in this case, I'd be open to either result, but I don't see either organization as more credible.

I disagree about who has the burden of proof. The AP has presented its story, w/ what it says is supporting evidence. Absent contradiction, I'd be inclined to believe it because it is consistent with many other reports from independent sources. Of course, the report has been contradicted, but, still, all we really know is that the MOI has said the named source doesn't exist and that there is no report other than the reports included in the AP article that the events they describe did take place. These are not very strong pieces of counter-evidence, especially given the credibility of the source. So, I'd say that we have two quite different reports and no independent evidence to either prove or disprove either.

Finally, I share w/ cognito a concern w/ automatically accepting the claims of an authority. I certainly don't think our military aims to mislead, but they relied on (1) reports from the unreliable MOI and (2) the absence of a report of the six people died incident. But the fact that something wasn't reported doesn't mean it didn't occur.

The MOI spokesman starts w/ claims about wanting to have a free press, but ends by chiding journalists and telling them to check w/ the MOI before publishing potentially controversial stories. Government approval is not generally considered a hallmark of a free press.

Sorry to be so long, but you made an interesting comment, and I wanted to address all of it. I'll hang around for a short while, but then I'll have to go. I will, though, check back to see whether you've replied.

Beagle
I hope Charles puts that up tommorrow as a thread unto itself. I laughed and laughed, the whole time, knowing it was all true.

#274 jwf
she's got her,ahem,liquor license....

Aghhhhhh!its gonna take alot of booze to remove that stain on my mind......thanks....

#232 lawhawk

Those newsrooms aren't exactly bent out of shape by the questionable news sources, and that's troublesome in its own right.

The majority are probably suspicious of the AP because it isn't government controlled.

#276 EC Marm

Enough of this chicanery!

Been away awhile.

The elections depressed me.

Todays my Birthday.

Anyone know a good way to transfer Hi 8mm family videos to DVD?

By the way...Hi.

I hear the US is the only country in the world that has a sample of Saddamium.

1/2 life ? deteriorating at rapid rate, any guesses?

The 2 other samples simply disintegrated.