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Kofi Annan, Graceless to the End

Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 8:20:36 am PST

Kofi Annan is leaving the hopelessly corrupt United Nations, and in his farewell speech the dictators’ best friend took a final slap at the US: Annan Criticizes U.S. in Farewell Speech.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, in his farewell address, criticized the Bush administration, warning that America must not sacrifice its Democratic ideals while waging war against terrorism.

In remarks prepared for delivery Monday at the Truman Presidential Museum and Library, Annan also said the Security Council should be expanded.

“Human rights and the rule of law are vital to global security and prosperity,” Annan’s text said. When the U.S. “appears to abandon its own ideals and objectives, its friends abroad are naturally troubled and confused,” he said.

Annan, who leaves the United Nations on Dec. 31 after 10 years as secretary-general, has become an increasingly vocal critic of the war in Iraq.

He said in the text that the U.S. has a special responsibility to the world because it continues to have extraordinary power.

Annan summed up five principles that he considers essential: collective responsibility, global solidarity, rule of law, mutual accountability and multilateralism.

He chose the Truman museum for his final major speech in part because it is dedicated to a president who was instrumental in the founding of the United Nations. His text repeatedly praised the Truman administration but never mentioned Bush by name.

“As President Truman said, ‘The responsibility of the great states is to serve and not dominate the peoples of the world,’” Annan said.

Good riddance. This disgraceful man should be in prison for his part in the gigantic Oil-for-Food rip-off. The next tool of the Organization of the Islamic Conference will now step up to fill his shoes.

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1 religion of bacon  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:21:41am

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Kofi.

2 Chicken Kiev  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:21:53am

Don't let the door hit you...

3 Chicken Kiev  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:22:13am

Hey, Religion of Bacon, great minds think alike.

4 Alouette  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:22:16am

And a very Merry Fuck You too, Kofi!

5 Chicken Kiev  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:22:29am

Mmmmmm ... bacon.....

6 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:23:14am
Annan summed up five principles that he considers essential: collective responsibility, global solidarity, rule of law, mutual accountability and multilateralism.

Freedom didn't make the cut Kofi?

7 wargammer2005  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:24:01am

Truman

what a great person to look up to.

he only didnt finish the Korean war
help start the Vietnam war.
lost china to the commies.

what a great role model for the UN.

8 Elric66  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:24:06am

Hey Kofi, how many have died as a result of your failed leadership?

9 religion of bacon  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:24:45am

#6 Peacekeeper

And what about democracy?

10 mglazer  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:24:50am

What an idiot

Shouldnt he be arrested?

If america is so strong why do we put up with this stuff?

Check out the future its pretty cool

[Link: www.msdewey.com...]

11 Elric66  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:24:56am

Holy Shit!

Iran students heckle Ahmadinejad Mon Dec 11, 8:02 AM ET


TEHRAN (AFP) - Iranian students have disrupted a speech by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at a prestigious Tehran university, setting fire to his picture and heckling him.

"Some students chanted radical slogans and inflamed the atmosphere of the meeting" at the Amir Kabir University, said the semi-official Fars news agency on Monday, which is close to Ahmadinejad.

"A small number of students shouted 'death to the dictator' and smashed cameras of state television but they were confronted by a bigger group of students in the hall chanting: 'We support Ahmadinejad'," it said.

It was the latest in a series of student demonstrations in recent days, the first time in least two years that such protests have taken place on this scale at Iranian universities.

Ahmadinejad responded by describing those students chanting the slogans as an "oppressive" minority.

"A small number of people who claim there is oppression are creating oppression and do not let the majority hear (my) words," he said.


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

12 wargammer2005  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:25:04am

Elric66

the anmswer is no one.

at least no one important enough for coffee-cup annan to have noticed.

13 Chicken Kiev  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:25:14am

Meanwhile in Australia, a Muslim teen who acts like a terrorist resents being called a terrorist ... his teacher is being forced to take diversity training:

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

Wagih "Zac" Fares has been slammed by readers today after we revealed how he punched a wall and threw tables in a school hallway in a violent rage after being called a "terrorist" by a teacher.

This afternoon he has said he was stressed because his family was worried about relatives in war-torn Lebanon.

He has also said he can never return to Blakehurst High School while the teacher is there...

The clash exploded at Blakehurst High School when legal studies teacher Mr Seymour told Wagih, after a classsroom altercation, "I don't want to negotiate with a terrorist."

Outraged by the slur, Wagih, 16, punched the classroom wall and door before running from the school pursued by Mr Seymour in his car.

Wagih shouted: "I'm not a terrorist. How can you call me a terrorist? Do you know what is happening around the world?"

He said Mr Seymour replied: "I'm sorry, Zac. Please don't run. I'm sorry, just calm down." After returning to the school Wagih picked up tables in a hallway and threw them, again screaming: "I'm not a terrorist."

Mr Seymour, a teacher for 20 years, was reprimanded and ordered to attend a multicultural sensitivity course.

It was found Mr Seymour had not intended to shock, embarrass or humiliate Wagih but his family claim Wagih he has lost all confidence and his self-esteem.

Unhappy about the school's handling of the matter and concerned about Wagih's future treatment at the school as he enters his HSC year, the Fares family, of Brighton-le-Sands, has lodged a complaint with the Anti-Discrimination Board. They want Mr Seymour kicked out of the school...

14 ronaldusmagnus  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:26:03am

Somehow I get the feeling Truman would have told Kofi to piss up a rope.

15 ROPMA  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:26:06am

Good riddance. .OT

Fun with the ACLU......Wanna have some fun this CHRISTMAS? Send the ACLU a CHRISTMAS CARD this year.

As they are working so very hard to get rid of the CHRISTMAS part of this holiday, we should all send them a nice, CHRISTIAN, card to brighten up their dark, sad, little world.

Make sure it says "Merry Christmas" on it.

Here's the Address, just don't be rude or crude. (It's Not the Christian Way, you know!)

ACLU
125 Broad Street
18th Floor
New York, NY 10004

Two tons of Christmas cards would freeze their operations because they wouldn't know if any were regular mail containing contributions. So spend 39 cents and tell the ACLU to leave Christmas alone. Also tell them that there is no such thing as a "Holiday Tree". . . . It's a Christmas Tree even in the fields!

And pass this on to your email lists. We really want to communicate with the ACLU! They really DESERVE us!

16 ttsail  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:26:06am

Good riddance!

17 J.D.  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:26:09am

How nice for him that he could give his speech from the safety of the United States, for which he consistently shows nothing but contempt.

Good riddance to a bad joke.

18 Elric66  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:26:15am
#12 wargammer2005 12/11/2006 08:25AM PST

Elric66

the anmswer is no one.

at least no one important enough for coffee-cup annan to have noticed.

Its only in the millions so who cares? Sarc

19 brent  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:26:39am
Annan summed up five principles that he considers essential: collective responsibility, global solidarity, rule of law, mutual accountability and multilateralism.

It would have sounded more sincere if he hadn't insisted on singing from the old Isley Brothers hit 'Money, money, money, money - monAy....dollar bill, ya'll'.

Wonder if he would ever consider giving back money to the food for oil fraud, er fund. I'm sure he knows where those bodies are buried.

And unfortunately, there are a lot of bodies.

What did the Anti-US crowd used to say, before they couldn't blame Oil for Food on us: 500,000 dead Iraqis? Wonder why they suddenly shut up, where their rage suddenly went to, and why. Not really, it's pretty easy to guess.

20 loppyd  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:26:54am

Elric66

TEHRAN (AFP) - Iranian students have disrupted a speech by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at a prestigious Tehran university, setting fire to his picture and heckling him

Now that takes guts.

21 Jay777  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:27:19am
22 bianchi_roadie  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:27:24am

Maybe Kofi can spend the rest of his days appoligizing in person to every victim of the genocides that happened under his watch.

Nah, he'll be too busy collecting speaking fees.

23 sngnsgt  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:27:30am

UN says cow farts more harmful to environment than even George Bush!

Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car, or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.

A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and wildlife.

news.independent.co.uk

24 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:27:37am

Khofi's value satement saya a lot about his collectivist mentality.Individual rights get no mention.

25 beblebrox  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:28:10am

#7 wargammer2005

I wouldn't be completely harsh on old Harry S. He also wasn't so afraid that the chose to not use the A-Bomb when appropriate, either.

26 wargammer2005  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:28:29am

Elric66

to paraphrase the great Douglas Adams.

in the past, no one was poor, at least no one worth talking about.

kofi would only notice if is islamic-facist ass-kisser check didnt arrive on time.

that would get his attention.

27 frankp_63  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:28:34am

The U.N. was veering toward irrelevence when Annan came in; safe to say he presided over its
final descent into pointlessness.

Now if only we could elect an administration with the balls to call bullshit and turn 42nd St into the world's largest handball court...

28 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:30:13am
Annan summed up five principles that he considers essential: collective responsibility


[i.e., global socialism]

global solidarity

[against the US and Israel]

rule of law

["law" meaning, you know, not those silly things like the US Constitution, rather "international law" as dreamed up by sophisticated European law professors, which basically turn the UN into a global aristocratic governing body]

mutual accountability

[blame the US and Israel for all evil]


and multilateralism.

[hamstring the US, give free reign to Islamist thugs]

buh-bye, Kofi.

29 ec marm  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:30:53am

My farewell picture to Kofi, this is how I will remember you.

30 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:31:04am

OT
Pacifica Radio reported this AM that Cynthia McKinney has introduced a bill in the House to impeach president Bush.

31 J.D.  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:31:20am

Today's Washington Post...
What I've Learned
By Kofi A. Annan
Monday, December 11, 2006; Page A19

Nearly 50 years ago, when I arrived in Minnesota as a student fresh from Africa, I had much to learn -- starting with the fact that there is nothing wimpish about wearing earmuffs when it is 15 degrees below zero. All my life since has been a learning experience. Now I want to pass on five lessons I have learned during 10 years as secretary general of the United Nations that I believe the community of nations needs to learn as it confronts the challenges of the 21st century.

First, in today's world we are all responsible for each other's security. ...


Oh, really?

32 Elric66  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:31:43am
#20 loppyd 12/11/2006 08:26AM PST

Elric66

TEHRAN (AFP) - Iranian students have disrupted a speech by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at a prestigious Tehran university, setting fire to his picture and heckling him

Now that takes guts.


Thats an understatement

33 Pickle  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:31:50am

A shame he's not leaving America with the tar and feathers he so richly deserves.

34 wargammer2005  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:31:57am

beblebrox

so that excuses his cover-up of the soviet spies that were active in the US.

he mis-handling of Korea that allowed US and UN service people to die for a non-victory (our first)

he allowing the french back into vietman as he needed their vote to rearm germany.

his loosing of china because of the soviet spied active in HIS administration, that he covered up.

his attacks on an American Hero, Joe McCarthy.


where was the man that used the nukes on japan in 1948, 1949, 1950?

35 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:32:06am

OR
Sounds like he's a "The greatest good for the greatest number" guy. Which of course is just a rationale for violating your rights and confiscating your property.

36 FredLee  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:32:07am

He leaves unprosecuted for presiding over the greatest public financial scandal in history, the Oil-for-Food program. The next UN leader will be just as anti-American and anti-Semitic.

And the US will keep footing the bill for this obscenity.

37 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:32:14am

His last official appearance is December 19. To the end, he refused to call the Darfur situation genocide, which would have mandated action by the UN to intervene. And that he can even see to mention Darfur at all is seen as an accomplishment since he's tried to avoid any discussion of the matter for fear of offending the thugs in Khartoum. Meanwhile the violence continues as Khartoum dickers over the terms of a UN/AU peacekeeping force.

He personally refused to intervene in Rwanda and his butcher's bill exceeds 800,000 from that debacle. Tragic comedy that is more tragedy than comedy.

Then there's the failures listed at Hot Air; ones we're all familiar with, even as Kofi wonders where he's going to spend his retirement and ill gotten gains (perhaps in a country without extradition with the US?).

What do we learn from this? Kofi has never been held accountable for his actions.

38 thedopefishlives  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:32:24am

#1 and #2

Yes. And another thing, Kofi: Get the hell out of my country, and never come back. You were never welcome here in the first place.

39 ibrodsky  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:32:56am
Annan summed up five principles that he considers essential: collective responsibility, global solidarity, rule of law, mutual accountability and multilateralism.

How predictable:

collective responsibility - We must act as a collective, i.e the UN should run the world.
global solidarity - And what better place to achieve global solidarity than the UN? Of course, Israel need not apply, it's solidarity against the Jews.
rule of law - UN law, to be precise. That's laws written to punish the US and let the UN's dictatorships off the hook.
mutual accountability - to be scrutinzed by who else... the UN.
multilateralism - The UN, united against Israel, with unquestioned support for the poor, oppressed PaliNazi terrorists.

40 tfc3rid  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:33:10am

WOW...

This guy has been Secy. General for 10 years... Under his watch we have the Genocide in Rwanda where the UN troops were compeltely toothless...

We have the genocide in the Balkans which required the NATO alliance to step in militarily...

We have failed UN programs and peacekeeping missions with troops that would rather rape young kids than enforce peace.

We have the continued problem with the Palestinians that the UN continues to delude itself into believing can be stopped by talking...

We have the Oil for Food scandal which showed the depths of internal corruption.

We have the continuing legitimization of despots and anarchistic regimes by the UN...

We have their refusal to support the right way to combat terrorism...

We have Darfur and the latest UN sponsored Genocide of the Decade...

I could go on but I'm bored...

41 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:33:20am

Maybe he can kind of shut up now and just go on tour with Al Gore. Al and Koffee Together Again

42 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:33:48am

23 sngnsgt

Cow farts are good for plants and wildlife & driving your car combats world hunger:

[Link: www.oism.org...]

43 Adrenalyn  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:35:12am

will George Bush stand up for himself this time ?

sadly, no he won't

get the pink panties

44 cat-tikvah  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:35:15am

Okay, I nominate Kofi Annan for the Fiskie. I nominate the entire UN in perpetuity!

45 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:35:22am

#31 J.D.:

starting with the fact that there is nothing wimpish about wearing earmuffs when it is 15 degrees below zero


Awwww, look, Kofi's charmingly self-deprecating! How can anyone stay mad at him?

46 Ferris  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:35:41am
"As President Truman said, 'The responsibility of the great states is to serve and not dominate the peoples of the world,'" Annan said.

"He believed strongly that henceforth security must be collective and indivisible. That was why, for instance, that he insisted when faced with aggression by North Korea against the South in 1950, on bringing the issue to the United Nations," Annan said.


And how did that work out for the millions of people who have lived and died in that hell hole of a concentration camp for the last 50 plus years?

Do you think Kofi will spending his retirement in NYC or Pyongyang? Granted, he would prefer the political class of N. Korea more but the restaurants are better in NY.

47 Elric66  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:35:48am
#26 wargammer2005 12/11/2006 08:28AM PST

Elric66

to paraphrase the great Douglas Adams.

in the past, no one was poor, at least no one worth talking about.

kofi would only notice if is islamic-facist ass-kisser check didnt arrive on time.

that would get his attention.

Im just glad the Caliphate whore is gone

48 Chicken Kiev  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:35:59am

US out of UN

... When I was a kid, this message was printed on a park bench in my hometown. I never understood it back then. I do now -- more than thirty years later.

49 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:36:25am

Funny he should honor Truman, nuker of Japan. Is this a hidden message?

50 ted  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:37:42am

Fuck You Kofi...You were, are and always be a corrupt,parasitic POS

51 loppyd  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:37:56am

Elric66

Hopefully they will not end up martyrs for their cause.

52 SevoGuy  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:38:31am

THE USA leaders a leader to get the hell out of the UN ASAP.

Rudy..........HELP.

53 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:38:52am

I don't have an idotarian of the year nominee yet, but Khofi's on the short list. ( Jimmah Carter, James Baker, Cynthia McKinney )

54 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:38:56am
55 rem1776  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:39:14am

purge, eat again, purge, eat again, purge

56 bweep  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:39:19am

#33 Pickle
I keep thinking of the scene from Judge Dredd, where the retiring judge is dumped outside the city walls.

57 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:39:32am

#13 Chicken Kiev

Don't call me a terrorist or I'll go postal on ya'.

58 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:39:35am

Loppy
(wink)

59 loppyd  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:40:15am

ibrodsky 12/11/2006 08:32AM PST

Annan summed up five principles that he considers essential: collective responsibility, global solidarity, rule of law, mutual accountability and multilateralism.

Sounds a lot like John F-ing Kerry's global test.

60 tfc3rid  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:40:28am

Loppy...

I would be shocked if they are free this very day...

I also would not be shocked if this was simply another atunt by Ahmadinejhad to eventually show those who might 'think' he was evil and a dictator that he won't kill them for being traitors... Smells like bit of a set-up/'look I'm really not a bad guy' campaign.

61 J.D.  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:40:30am

#45 Occasional Reader
Isn't that the cutest?
Actually, it explains quite a lot when you know how totally ignorant he was when he came here...

62 looking closely  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:40:50am

F Kofi Annan.

This is OT, but just off the wire, and probably of great interest to this site:

Three Palestinian children killed in drive by shooting in Gaza

The story neglects to mention that Palestinians currently kill more Palestinians than Israelis do.

63 William  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:40:59am

So Annan is finally moving out of his $5M NY City townhouse, with a new $200K kitchen (not a typo - $200,000).

Sets a good example for the millions starving in Sudan suffering under muslim rule.
 

64 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:41:18am

Well since somebody else was mentioning Truman and nuking of Japan how about Truman and the formation of the State of Israel.

At midnight on May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed the new State of Israel. On that same date the United States, in the person of President Truman, recognized the provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the new Jewish state (de jure recognition was extended on January 31). The U.S. delegates to the U.N. and top ranking State Department officials were angered that Truman released his recognition statement to the press without notifying them first. On May 15, 1948, the Arab states issued their response statement and Arab armies invaded Israel and the first Arab-Israeli war began.
65 ted  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:41:40am

40: Lest us not forget the UN sponsored "Conference on Human Rights" in Durban in 2001 where the only motion passed was condemning Israel.

66 Lazarus  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:42:16am

Here's here in KC? No wonder I feel ill today.

67 Elric66  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:42:20am
#51 loppyd 12/11/2006 08:37AM PST

Elric66

Hopefully they will not end up martyrs for their cause.


I dont think they will be enjoying life.

68 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:42:59am
He said in the text that the U.S. has a special responsibility to the world because it continues to have extraordinary power.

Translated from UNspeak to ordinary, if lyrical English:

you pay my bills
can you pay my telephone bills
can you pay my automo'bills
then maybe we can chill

69 Judith  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:43:09am

Kofi leaving? What a nice day!

I missed the whole antiidiotarian/idiotarian thing so I am going to do it here.. For this year's idiotarian award I nominate The Mennonite Central Committee for their unceasing condemnation of Israel and unconditional support of the Palestinians.

If you need something to spoil your apetite take a look and what MCC is saying.

For the antidiotarian nominee I also nominate Stephen Harper!

70 ProUSA  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:43:31am

#1 religion of bacon

You beat me to it.

I am all for a new cut-and-run policy . . .
when it comes to the UN. We need to pull out now, and keep our enemies off our soil. I am tired of listening to corrupt dirtbags using our soil to insult us. It only serves to pump them up in the eyes of our enemies, and they we pay or it and can't stop them.

Kofi: Go home and never come back. I hope you enjoyed the meals and living accomodations in the USA.

71 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:43:54am

And farewell to you too Kofi!

Rising above the Rwandan rivers choked with hacked and mutilated bodies, you made it all the way to the top of the UN pausing only to undermine sanctions that prevented Saddam Hussein from rearming. Once the sanctions were broken through a complex humanitarian relief program that enabled Saddam to rearm and starve his people, your focus turned to helping your son and your cronies get wealthy with the dirty money of a murderous regime.

Your corrupt son smuggled cars into your native land of Ghana and you denied it happened and then announced you paid the tax and that settled the matter.

Meanwhile millions died in Darfur so you oversaw the reform of the UN Human Rights body that has managed to ONLY criticize Israel since its creation.

For that you get the Nobel prize and the "thanks" of millions (of the dead and exiled).

Perhaps there is someplace on this earth more foul than any room with you in it, but I can think of none.

Meanwhile, back in Cyprus, no one can figure out how Benno Sevan's relatriive fell down the elevator shaft shortly after the oil-for-food scandal became public. Her blood is on your head too long with thousands of nameless dead, the simple, the weak and the poor, the people the UN was created to save.

72 loppyd  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:44:39am

PK

(right back at ya!)

73 wargammer2005  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:45:17am

Elric66

Im just glad the Caliphate whore is gone

Amen to that!

74 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:45:34am

So long, walking corruption.

oh wait - I have a list of UN accomplishments.

here it is:

.....


75 sngnsgt  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:45:55am

O.T.

Mama moonbat convicted of trespassing at UN.

76 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:46:16am

71 eloquent.

77 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:46:48am

Why can't I find anything on the web about the story I just saw on FoxNews about Shehag getting arrested for trespassing and ignoring police orders......again?

78 wargammer2005  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:46:56am

Truman and Israel.

he might have recordnized Israel, but what did he do to help them stay alive?

and we wont mention the millions left in salvery under communism, on his watch.

79 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:47:08am
#43 Adrenalyn

will George Bush stand up for himself this time ?

sadly, no he won't

get the pink panties

WTF? Since women are the primary wearers of pink panties, are you implying that women symbolize cowardice? Inaction? Inferiority?

80 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:47:24am

Good bye Koffee boy

Fuck you very much.

81 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:48:13am

78 I think truman did the best he could. Promoted the Marshall plan, among other things.

82 bandarlog  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:48:55am

#11 Elric66
#20 loppyd

I shudder at the thought of what awaits these young men and women for a courageous display like this.

83 nolimit  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:49:11am

Idiotarian Award to Kofi the pig.

/sorry, wrong thread, just got really f%#ing angry, again.

84 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:49:39am

Epileptic Mo'?...
Islam Based on Epileptic Prophecies, says Book From Iran-Native Neuropsychologist


Religious prophet Muhammad suffered from epileptic seizures, according to a book recently released by a Tehran- native and Muslim-raised neuropsychologist. Abbas Sadeghian delivers these findings in the book Sword & Seizure, which is based on historical text, including the Koran.


Interesting.

85 J.D.  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:50:32am

Katherine Kersten: Suspicion about imams grows as terror links pile up
Good on Ms. Kersten and the Minneapolis Star-Tribune!

86 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:50:48am
87 wvobiwan  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:51:01am

Good riddance to Don Annan, godfather of all international UN crime programs. Kofi should have been executed in front of a firing squad for the Oil for Food travesty, 'pour encourager les altres'. Not to mention Sudan, Lebanon, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Ethiopia, Somalia; genocide, rape, theft, electoral corruption - you name it, Kofi's fingerprints are all over it.

UN OUT OF US! US OUT OF UN!

88 loppyd  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:51:13am

tfc3rid

I would be shocked if they are free this very day...

I hope you are wrong.

89 Yossarian  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:51:18am

Now he and Carter will team up to write another pro-Palestinian sob story book.

/I wish I could say that was a joke, but it's not that farfetched, now is it...

90 Tarkus  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:51:23am

This is interesting....Iran Students Heckle Ahmadinejad

91 sngnsgt  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:51:58am

Goodbye Kopious Anus, you will be missed...NOT!

92 wargammer2005  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:52:18am

Ojoe

except the Marshall plan wasnt Marshall's plan.

and the dems wanted to include the soviets, as in getting money from us.

so allowing soviet spies to run amok in our goverment, after he had be informed that the spies were there by the FBI is "doing as best as he could"?


the single best thing Truman did was the Berlin Air Lift.
other than that i have a lot of comtept for him.

93 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:52:50am

#84 Kilgore

Religious prophet Muhammad suffered from epileptic seizures, according to a book recently released by a Tehran- native and Muslim-raised neuropsychologist. The late Abbas Sadeghian delivers these findings in the book Sword & Seizure, which is based on historical text, including the Koran.
94 Sabraguy  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:53:11am

#54 TotallySirius

Hamas gunmen kill 3 children of Fatah official in Gaza.

Surely you don't mean to imply that the Palestinians are a ruthless bunch of vicious thugs who deserve everything they get?

95 nigella  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:53:12am

Since Bolton is out and has nothing to lose I wish he would hold a news conference and expand on all the wonderful things that happened under Kofis' watch.I would also like to hear some criticism from Bush but I know that can't happen because it would be in bad taste. Of course it is only in bad taste if Bush does it. Kofi, Gore,Pelosi, Reed and the ever popular Jimmmi Carter are free to say anything they like about the US and W in particular. Double standard?

96 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:53:45am
"As President Truman said, 'The responsibility of the great states is to serve and not dominate the peoples of the world,'" Annan said.

FUCK. YOU. So I guess we're "dominating" the Iraqis by overthrowing the dictator that was feeding them into shredders, and then forcing them to have elections and adopt a constitution, right, Kofi?

"He believed strongly that henceforth security must be collective and indivisible. That was why, for instance, that he insisted when faced with aggression by North Korea against the South in 1950, on bringing the issue to the United Nations," Annan said.

1) Uh, Kofi, Bush brought the Iraq issue to the United Nations, too. Remember? And he got UNSC 1441. And then went BACK to the UNSC. And then your buddies the French said they'd veto another resolution, no matter what Saddam did.

2) Yes, Truman got the UN on board in Korea, and then the US and UK had the "special privilege" of supplying the bulk of the combat forces, with over half the UN KIA being US troops. Plus ca change and all that.

97 mkm19602000  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:53:54am

75 sngnsgt

Did you hear it on the radio? I have to have some good news today! So send a link if possible.

98 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:53:57am

Yes Kofi, the US is horrible. Especially when compared to your band of corrupt dictators.
(Kofi and leftists and Andrew sullivan all agree)

sure.

99 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:54:01am

Kofi's out now,time to rewrite history.

Jimmuh can be his ghost writer.

I forsee a plethora of books soon to be written praising koffee boy as the greatest human in history.

100 J.D.  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:54:54am

More on the imams...
Imams seek to settle with airline

101 Sabraguy  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:55:18am

Is it too late to impeach Kofi?

102 Nim Chimpsky  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:55:28am

I'd bet my next paycheck that he will retire to (drum roll please) NEW YORK, USA. In a luxury apartment, stocked with expensive suits. You don't think for a minute that he's going to Africa, do you? Yipes!

103 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:55:30am

#11 Elric66
Yahoo pic

Iranian students burn a picture of Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, during his speech at the Amir Kabir Technical University, in Tehran, Iran, Monday, Dec. 11, 2006. Iranian students staged a rare demonstration against President Ahmadinejad on Monday, lighting a firecracker and burning his photograph in the audience as he delivered a speech at their university, the state news agency said.

104 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:55:45am

Who is replacing Coughing Anus?

105 Eagle  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:55:51am

I think Kofi is actually making his Fiskie acceptance speech...

106 DoctorDentons  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:56:05am

I would be willing to bet that the POS continues to live in the US...any takers?

107 loppyd  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:56:25am

OR

So I guess we're "dominating" the Iraqis by overthrowing the dictator that was feeding them into shredders, and then forcing them to have elections and adopt a constitution, right, Kofi?

Don't get so hung up on the details. :D

108 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:57:03am

Imagine if you will, a world where W backed down from the Iraq invasion. Saddam Hussein is secure in his Palaces, Uday and Qusay are playing with their favorite toys, and Koffi is stepping down.

To even more untold millions from Saddam.

Would we have been safer? Hardly.

Would Iraq have been better off? Only a madman would say so.

Or one who simply doesn't care. I'd say Koffi was paid enough not to care.

*spit*

109 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:57:06am

3 Palestinian kids dead in Gaza drive-by

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Palestinian gunmen killed three young sons of a senior Palestinian intelligence officer Monday, pumping dozens of bullets into their car as it passed through a street crowded with schoolchildren in an apparent botched assassination attempt that could ignite widespread factional fighting.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the drive-by attack, which left the schoolbags and a small plastic bag with a sandwich covered in blood.

"I have no words. Words stop at the extent of this crime," the boys' father, Baha Balousheh, told The Associated Press. "I am a father who has lost his children."

Somehow, Israel wasn't mentioned in the story.

110 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:57:15am

#94 Sabra

Why not?

The palis are 2(or more) groups of bloodthirsty vicious thugs who,when there are no Israelis to kill,insist on killing each other.

111 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:58:14am

Yes these flying imams are trying to get a judge to order money into their charities that if given voluntarily would be illegal. Think about it for a minute. So many of the ME charities have been denounced for the terrorist funding organizations they really are that now CAIR and their ilk are actually trying to get judges to set settlements that would no doubt go striaght into these slush funds.

112 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:58:16am

I'm so glad we are spending 1 billion dollars to remodel the precious UN building.
/

Instead, the UN building should just be demolished.

113 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:58:27am
114 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:59:07am

While the case can certainly be made that Annan lacks the moral authority to make this declaration, I agree with his criticism of the Bush Administration's savaging of the rule of law (e.g. wiretapping without legislative authority or full Congressional oversight; use of interrogation techniques that violate domestic and international law; renditions of prisoners to countries that engage in torture; establishing detention centers outside of the territorial U.S. in an effort to avoid judicial oversight; obsessive secrecy; etc., etc.).

However, I disagree with Annan that the problem is that when the U.S. "appears to abandon its own ideals and objectives, its friends abroad are naturally troubled and confused." The problems are (1) that these practices are divisive domestically, thereby undermining support for the war, and (2) that they embolden our enemies, who can point to abusive US behavior as justification for their own.

Incidentally, the rule of law, at least in the context of the US, covers freedom and democracy.

115 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:59:18am

#102 Nim- Back in Ghana he'd be the richest guy in the country, and out of reach of US justice if the DoJ/Alberto Gonzales ever grew a pair and decided to investigate him for his role in the 'Oil for Palaces' corruption.

116 rcris5  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:59:57am

And what miserable shit-hole is he retiring to? Can we be so lucky? Anyone want to start a betting pool as to where he will take residence...Sweden, or France? Hans and Kofi could start an Oil for Dead Children company. Just like the good old days on Turtle Bay.

117 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:00:26am

#108 IF:

Imagine if you will, a world where W backed down from the Iraq invasion.

Well, according to whatever idiot was interviewing Tony Blair yesterday, Saddam was "in his box", and utterly harmless, and we had a "quarter million troops next door" who could just wait around indefinitely to make sure he didn't act up. Dude, clearly you're not smart enough to work for the MSM, or you'd understand these things!

118 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:01:41am

Have mercy on an old grifter. He done good for himself (and his kid, but nobody else).

119 rcris5  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:02:34am

Charles, it is not oil for food, rather, it is more accurately called, oil for dead children.

Little better cocktail buzz to it.

120 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:02:39am

Where is the asshole from, anyway?

121 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:02:40am
122 sngnsgt  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:02:43am

#97 mkm19602000:
War protester 'peace mom' Cindy Sheehan convicted of trespassing
Link

123 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:03:18am

I've expanded on my thoughts at #37 above here.

Needless to say, I could spend an entire week on cataloguing his failures and inability to take responsibility for the crises that the UN avoided taking action upon. From Darfur to Rwanda to child warriors to slavery.

Iraq and UNSCAM could fill volumes of books (and will probably keep historians busy for years to come given all the corruption, graft, and ways in which the corruption and payola made action on enforcement of UN resolutions impossible).

124 allah this  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:03:52am

Hamas gunmen kill 3 children of Fatah official in Gaza.

"The gunmen pumped dozens of bullets into a car carrying the children as it passed through a street crowded with schoolchildren."

I assume the UN GA (gutless asshats) will be convening post-haste to investigate this incident, establish culpability and, in a special tribute to the outgoing Annan, condemn Israel who is clearly responsible for creating the conditions which cause the otherwise peace-loving Palestinians to commit such attrocities.

/spit

125 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:04:33am

Ben F- Does someone have to explain FISA to you again?

Read this

and this

126 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:05:17am

The Democrat leaders are bent on making us weaker:

The Pelosi/Conyers Team: Help Terrorists And Illegal Aliens

127 ziggy  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:06:03am

Disgrace is an understatement, Charles. Instead of criticizing Bush, he should have been apologizing for the oil for food scandle, Darfor, Ruwanda, Lebanon, Bosnia, Rapists on peacekeeping missions, Iranian and NorthKorean nuclear programs, overall enabling of despots world wide while criticizing the Bush administration for standing up to thugs he embraced. As a matter of fact, I defy Coffee Anus to name one single success of that corrupt, and yes EVIL, organization. The mere sight of him evokes a visceral reaction from me. To say I detest and despize that individual is an understatement. If the UN had the balls to enforce resolutions on anyone besides Israel, Iraq would be pacified, Iran would be contained and Lebanon would be free of Syria and Hezbo's. How on earth does that F&%@ sleep at night?

128 Adrenalyn  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:06:15am

#79 MandyManners


actually not
cowardice is generally not lacking in the female of the species, whiy else would many choose to marry ?

pero,
mi esposa esta muy fuerte

oops, sorry, I forgot not everyone speaks Spanish like we in Liberalia (formerla California) does

my wife is one tough customer
and even she does not wear pink panties
she goes one better and.....

/sorry, not going there

129 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:06:23am

#93 Just_A_Grunt
I didn't notice that. I wonder why he's "late"?

130 EtNorskTroll  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:06:32am

And I should care what Coffe Annon (sic) thinks about my country....why?

That's the quintessential problem with Annon (sic) and those that work at the UN: they think their opinions and thoughts are important to somebody other than themselves.

They are the ultimate personification of the half-life of arrogance....

Delusion.

~Norsk Troll

131 plutosdad  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:06:48am

That's the key, we "appear" to abandon them. The only reason we appear to is the lies spread by him, the corrupt dictators and slavers who control the majority of the UN General Assembly, and news organizations like AP who knowingly use false sources who pretend to be high ranking police officers in Iraq even though the Iraqi police themselves say they have no idea who he is.

132 Golem Akbar  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:06:48am

UN? Kofi Annan? Worthless.
The Pali civil war? Priceless.

133 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:07:26am
134 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:08:04am

#114 Ben F.:

I agree with his criticism of the Bush Administration's savaging of the rule of law

Did the Truman Administration "savage the rule of law"?

How about FDR?

Wilson?

Lincoln?

135 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:09:39am

#100 J.D.


A group of Muslim imams is seeking an out-of-court settlement with US Airways,


Al Sharpton style blackmail, "We have no legal case but we'll tie you up in court if you don't pay up."

136 Golem Akbar  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:09:52am

#128 Adrenelyn

oops, sorry, I forgot not everyone speaks Spanish like we in Liberalia (formerla California) does


lol
I live in LA, in the Valley, and this could not be more true.

137 INC  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:10:09am

From Discover the Networks:

A key Hamas official has confirmed reports from last week the terror group held meetings with "important Democrats."

Ahmed Yousuf, chief political advisor to Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, told the Maannews Palestinian news website that Hamas officials met recently with high-ranking American figures, "especially members of the Democratic party."

138 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:11:39am

Regarding the murder of three children, ain't it darling that Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum condemned the attack as an "awful, ugly crime against innocent children," and that Abu Mazen called it "an ugly and inhuman crime perpetrated by a bunch of lowlifes." I don't recall hearing these sorts of condemnations when Qassams land in Israeli kindergartens.

Indeed, I question whether these folks are really troubled about the deaths of the children; we keep hearing over and over that these people "love death." Here's the part that rings true to me: The HAMAS spokesman said that "said the assailants were undermining Palestinian interests by creating chaos and confusion," and Saeb Erekat fretted that the attack will lead to a large-scale confrontation. "If this continues, it will lead to our worst nightmare, internal fighting," Erekat said. They're all worried that, by killing each other, they'll be diverted from the true objective, which is killing Israelis.

139 wvobiwan  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:12:50am

#114 Ben

The constitution is not a suicide pact. It's very convenient for you to sit in your living room and condemn Bush's tactics in the WOT - YOU'RE not responsible for 300 million lives and the greatest country on Earth.

Instead, how about looking at it from the perspective that torturing a enemy combatant, or wiretapping a US terrorist supporter almost certainly saved lives.

There have been NO abuses of these tactics by US forces or services, and in fact plenty of successes. I trust our President, our intelligence agencies, and our servicemen's judgement with these powers. Why don't you?

140 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:12:51am

#134 Occasional Reader—

Care to elaborate on that question?

141 J.D.  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:12:52am

#135 Killgore Trout
It's a proven winner.
:-(

They ought to get their stories straight first, though, imho.

aaarrrrrrrgh

142 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:14:45am
Hamas gunmen kill 3 children of Fatah official in Gaza.

Do car swarms apply to intramural shootings, or does someone have to allege Mossad or undercover IDF activity to invoke the swarm?

143 Adrenalyn  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:15:34am

136 Golem Akbar


speaking of funny Spanish anecdotes

at the local stone yard
up at the counter
is a CD that contractors can buy for 10 bucks that has about 200 key Spanish phrases to help them go find, hire and put to work illegal aliens (who just happen to only speak Spanish)

I thought it was a joke when I first saw the cover, it seems so campy that I thought the owner was just being a smartass but it turns out the CD is dead serious

but up where I live, he said no one buys them
people up here hire locals because the kids up here want to work as their parents don't spoil them like in the urban and suburban areas

144 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:16:31am

#128 Adrenalyn

Commando?

145 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:16:33am

#117 Occasional Reader,

And did this brilliant exponant of the Fourth Estate also give his opinion on Invisible Pink and Purple Sparkeling Unicorns?

I've always liked the "Saddam was in ahis box" theory. The box was the size of a Middle Eastern Nation. That's a mighty large box.

I'm sure we were every bit as successful at sealing Iraq's borders before we took over as we have been since.

(Growl. This is why I am glad things are virtual. I'd wind up bouncing someone's skull off the floor :-)

146 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:16:49am
137 INC

Ahmed Yousuf, chief political advisor to Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, told the Maannews Palestinian news website that Hamas officials met recently with high-ranking American figures, "especially members of the Democratic party."

Isn't this against the law?

147 scattershot  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:17:10am

Hanged for inability to recognize genocide is most appropriate, is what I think.

148 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:17:10am

The people of Rwanda also would like to extend their middle finger to this gentleman as he departs. This guy has more blood on his hands than Sadam (well, almost anyway).

149 Darwin Akbar  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:18:05am

Let's count the UN's achievements under Kofi:


- A million dead in Rwanda;

- Hundreds of thousands dead in the Sudan (but that's ok, since it's not "genocide");

- Oil for Food enriches Saddam;

- Oil for Food enriches Kofi, his son, Sevan and countless others;

- Children raped by UN "peacekeepers" all over the world;

- US and Israel blamed for all the world's problems.

Quite a resume....and he'll be feted all over the world, while Bolton is crucified.

And Kofi himself sheds crocodile tears about the Sudan, instead of doing something about it.

Why isn't he in jail, or being blindfolded and lined up against a wall?

150 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:18:35am

#140 Ben F.:

Care to elaborate on that question?

You seem quite convinced that Bush "savaged the rule of law" with regard to certain actions taken in the context of the WoT. Do you have the same judgment regarding these other wartime presidents? Did they "savage the rule of law" more, less, or about the same as did Bush?

151 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:19:01am

#129 Kilgore
I added the "late" part because, as history has taught us, anybody who dares to say anything less then flattering about the pedophile priest known as Mohamhead soon finds themselves with a new identity and living in secret.

152 jamgarr  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:19:08am

#26 wargammer2005

Another Douglas Adams Kofi paraphrase:

Kofi began to speak in a strangely anti-American way, or rather, Kofi began to speak in an anti-American way which was strangely different from the anti-American way in which he normally spoke.

153 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:20:19am

#145 IF:

And did this brilliant exponant of the Fourth Estate also give his opinion on Invisible Pink and Purple Sparkeling Unicorns?

Yes. "The Invisible Pink and Purple Sparkling Unicorns need to be made to understand their responsibilities with respect to Iraq."

Or maybe Blair said that. I can't tell anymore.

154 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:20:19am

92 wargammer 2005

OK But he probably saved my dad's life (pilot in the pacific theater) by nuking Japan so I think well of Truman.

155 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:21:13am

#139 wvobiwan asks:

There have been NO abuses of these tactics by US forces or services, and in fact plenty of successes. I trust our President, our intelligence agencies, and our servicemen's judgement with these powers. Why don't you?

I guess we should ignore all of those court-martials of low-ranking people, as well as their allegations that their interrogation practices were authorized by persons higher in the chain of command (none of whom have been called to task).

I guess we should ignore the fact that the JAGs from all of the military services opposed the interrogation techniques that were authorized by the civilian leadership at the Pentagon over the military's strong objection.

The CIA operates in the shadows, by definition, but I guess we should ignore the fact that our rendition program has alienated our allies and effectively allied ourselves with some of our enemies, while ceding the moral high ground on what is ultimately more of an ideological struggle than a military one.

Why don't I trust our President? Because he's lost my trust in countless ways, that's why.

156 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:22:09am

If Iraq was considered to be in a box is Iran?

157 SaneInMN  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:25:48am

114 Ben F Defends the man who oversaw his organization rape and pillage in the Congo, reduce its force structure in Rwanda from 7500 troops to 750 in the middle of a massacre that claimed 400,000 innocent lives, and, how about that Oil for Food Program!

...on top of that, Benny doesn't know his ass from a hole in the wall!

While the case can certainly be made that Annan lacks the moral authority to make this declaration, I agree with his criticism of the Bush Administration's savaging of the rule of law (e.g. wiretapping without legislative authority or full Congressional oversight; use of interrogation techniques that violate domestic and international law; renditions of prisoners to countries that engage in torture; establishing detention centers outside of the territorial U.S. in an effort to avoid judicial oversight; obsessive secrecy; etc., etc.).


Your a jackass! And an ill-informed jackass at that. There was no "illegal wiretapping", and the US Constitution DOES NOT APPLY to people who are not citizens of the US. Terrorists do not follow a recognized chain of command, DO purposefully target civilians, do not wear a recognizeable uniform, and do not wage war under a flag designating their country of origin. Thus, jackass, they are not protected by the Geneva Convention. As for your comments concerning "..full congressional oversight...", selected members of Congress were briefed monthly concerning the surveillance program. Using your jackass logic, Senate and Congressional select committees on intelligence will be made null and void, and the extremely leak a' week situation that we find ourselves in will only get worse. Of course, we probably should be maintaining covert surveilance on people such as Princes Diana, you know, like your buddy Clinton did.

Rot...

158 PoundYen  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:26:21am

Does this mean he no longer has diplomatic immunity?

Let's make a citizen's arrest on his worthless ass!

159 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:29:02am

Occasional Reader asks—

Did they "savage the rule of law" more, less, or about the same as did Bush?

You're still not giving me any specifics. However, I can elaborate. Roosevelt interred Japanese-Americans and executed German spies without a civilian trial. Both were upheld by the Supreme Court. Justice Rehnquist wrote a book, "All the Laws But One: Civil Liberties in Wartime," documenting the fact that the Court will cut the Executive more slack in time of war than it will on other occasions.

Nonetheless, Bush has lost just about every case that's come before the Supreme Court involving allegations of abuse of powers. Considering that we only learn of many of these practices when someone leaks them, it's hard to avoid the inference that Bush has authorized many programs that would not pass legal muster.

160 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:32:42am

#157 SaneInMN sez:

114 Ben F Defends the man who oversaw his organization rape and pillage in the Congo, reduce its force structure in Rwanda from 7500 troops to 750 in the middle of a massacre that claimed 400,000 innocent lives, and, how about that Oil for Food Program!

That's libelous, my friend. Go re-read my post. I have no use whatsoever for Kofi Annan, but that doesn't change the fact that he does occasionally get something half-right.

161 wanumba  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:33:05am

#71
Devastating roundup.
That man has a lot to answer for on Rwanda alone.

162 J.D.  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:37:15am

Occassional Reader
Quit working and get over here and answer #159.
We haven't got all day!

/ducks

163 NoSubmission  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:37:28am

10 long years of death and desolation.

Fk Koffi! Good Riddance.

164 loppyd  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:39:38am

NJDhockeyfan

The Democrat leaders are bent on making us weaker:

The majority of Americans are in favor of the Patriot Act as is, but what does Speaker Nip/Tuck care about what Americans want?

I'm looking forward to seeing her fall on her perpetually shocked looking plastic face.

165 realwest  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:40:19am

Instead of my usual pithy FU Koffi, I decided to look at what he said:

"Annan summed up five principles that he considers essential: collective responsibility, global solidarity, rule of law, mutual accountability and multilateralism."

Huh, no individual responsibility eh Koffi?
global solidarity in Democratic Nations are ok,
but that's not what you mean, is it Koffi?
rule of law - except in the Oil For Sadaam scandal, is that what you mean, Koffi?
Mutual accountability - sounds good, how about you and the fucking UN first, Koffi?
Mulitlateralism? WTH is that, Koffi?

166 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:42:25am

Kofi Annon- The Reinhard Heidrich of the Third Worlds ambitions for the UN. Rwanda, Sabrinica, "Oil for Food", Zimbabwe, and about a dozen other fiasco's shall be his epitaph.


Historians will someday ask the question:

How did the civilized portions of the world allow Kofi to achieve and remain in the post of Secretary General?

Is affirmative action for criminals too?

167 J.D.  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:45:14am

#165 {realwest}

Huh, no individual responsibility eh Koffi?


Now, that would require some actual work.

Kofi doesn't do that!

168 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:48:09am

#135, Killgore Trout. My Man, The Reverend Al thinks you have him confused with "Reverend" Jesse Jackson. Or that you should at least consider including him in the analogy.

169 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:48:30am

#157 SaneInMN sez:

114 Ben F Defends the man who oversaw his organization rape and pillage in the Congo, reduce its force structure in Rwanda from 7500 troops to 750 in the middle of a massacre that claimed 400,000 innocent lives, and, how about that Oil for Food Program!

That's libelous, my friend. Go re-read my post. I have no use whatsoever for Kofi Annan, but that doesn't change the fact that he does occasionally get something half-right.

He's not a lawyer, but he plays one on TV...

170 Muadib  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:51:56am

#6 Peacekeeper

Freedom didn't make the cut Kofi?

Freedom is not compatible with the Socialist Workers Paradise Paradigm.

171 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:53:24am

#157 SaneInMN writes:

the US Constitution DOES NOT APPLY to people who are not citizens of the US.

Who gave you authority to overrule the Supreme Court Court?

When is the last time that you read the Bill of Rights? Note that most of the articles refer to "the people," which should remind you of the first words of the preamble to the Constitution, "We the people." The Fifth Amendment, on the other hand, begins with "No person." The distinction is meaningful, as even non-citizens are "persons."

You may be sane, but you're way out of your depth.

172 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:54:13am

NJDhockeyfan

Ahmed Yousuf, chief political advisor to Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, told the Maannews Palestinian news website that Hamas officials met recently with high-ranking American figures, "especially members of the Democratic party."

Isn't this against the law?

I'm checking now.
But it appears that no Palestinian laws would be broken if it happened.

173 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:56:06am

#114, Ben F. We have a Congress and a Supreme Cort to decide the questions in you first paragraph. I didn't vote for the UN.

Have you ever considered searching for answers in ornithology?

174 loppyd  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:58:25am

Ben F


The Civil Service Commission (CSC) regulation barring noncitizens, including lawfully admitted resident aliens, from employment in the federal competitive civil service held unconstitutional as depriving such resident aliens of liberty without due process of law in violation of the Fifth Amendment.

That is an employment case. Not even close.

175 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:59:43am

172 Village Idiot's Apprentice

I was wondering about American law. I would think that members of Congress, or and 'high-ranking American figures', negotiating with our enemies behind the back of the current administration would be furboden.

176 Copperhead Ridge  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:01:52am

The Oil for Food Program in Iraq put the world on a greased track towards war. Once they initiated that ridiculous program, there was no way to avoid fighting over there. It let Saddam off the hook and provided a nice cash flow into his dictatorship.

All it did was to consolidate the power of Iraqi oil sales under the United Nations.

177 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:05:13am

#171, Ben F. Interesting Links. Any resident aliens been elected lately and have their election upheld by the supreme court? Thought not.

Ornithology for $100?

178 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:09:14am

Never let it be said that Kofi "Stroke Me" Annan didn't excel at biting the hand that fed him - namely you and me.

He and his family must have made a killing (no pun intended) on the food greased hand for oil scandal - all on the backs of the children.

What a great guy to have as a leader of the free world! Can anybody tell me how Saddam could have done any worse as leader of the U.N.?

179 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:12:12am

NJDhockeyfan

I was wondering about American law. I would think that members of Congress, or and 'high-ranking American figures', negotiating with our enemies behind the back of the current administration would be furboden.

For your average US citizen, under US law, it would seem to be highly illegal to conduct talks with an outfit labeled by the US Government as a terrorist organization.

For your average Democratic office holder, US law does not apply.

And under Palestinian law, it's legal to meet with Democrats.

180 GreenSoccer  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:21:16am

Anyone have any ideas of how to celebrate his departure?

181 GreenSoccer  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:23:10am

Is he taking his son with him when he goes?

182 Stinksinhere  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:25:05am

I'm surpirsed he didn't mutter "Death to America" on his way out the door.

183 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:28:22am

Green Soccer

Is he taking his son with him when he goes?

More importantly, did anyone count the silverware and bath towels?

184 29Victor  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:30:12am

Kofi sat in his ivory tower and watched as, across the globe, millions and millions and millions of precious souls were displaced, mamed, mutilated and slaughtered.

Kofi's 'commission on human rights' is run by anti-semites and dictators many of whom would gladly step into Hitler's shoes given the resources and imagination. And his U.N. helped make sure that they had an easier time getting the resources.

Kofi doesn't just have blood on his hands he has it on his feet, his eyes and his tongue.
As the high priest of tyrants and dictators, he has sacrificed millions of innocents as offerings to his god of "world peace".

President Bush understands that Kofi's god is a flase god and Kofi hates him for it.

185 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:33:01am
#64 Just_A_Grunt

Well since somebody else was mentioning Truman and nuking of Japan how about Truman and the formation of the State of Israel.

At midnight on May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed the new State of Israel. On that same date the United States, in the person of President Truman, recognized the provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the new Jewish state (de jure recognition was extended on January 31). The U.S. delegates to the U.N. and top ranking State Department officials were angered that Truman released his recognition statement to the press without notifying them first. On May 15, 1948, the Arab states issued their response statement and Arab armies invaded Israel and the first Arab-Israeli war began.

How long before Kofi burns Truman's effigy, I wonder.

186 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:36:10am

Kofi Anon- The prototypical example of the well tailored 21st Century cannibal.

187 funky chicken  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:36:39am

108 Iron Fist. I'm not sure Kofi would have cared at all, but the hundreds of millions in his pocket probably didn't hurt either.

188 McNug  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:37:18am

"Collective responsibility"?

Umm...You heard the man! Expel all Muslims from the USA, since they bear collective responsibility for terrorism.

189 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:40:40am

#177 gymnast asks:

#171, Ben F. Interesting Links. Any resident aliens been elected lately and have their election upheld by the supreme court? Thought not.

What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?

U.S. citizenship is required by the Constitution for federal elective office; the least restrictive requirement is for a Representative (at least 25 years old, and a citizens for at least seven years). However, the Constitution does not govern elections for state and local office.

Some localities allow resident aliens to vote. I'm not sure if any allow resident aliens to run for office, but if a statute or ordinance were to authorize it then I see no federal issue that would allow the case to be brought before the U.S. Supreme Court.

190 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:44:54am

#188, McNug. Collective responsability is meaningless without collective consequence. Does Kofi advocate Collective punishment of Western Civilization as UN policy? You bet he does. He is a parasitic predator. Bladder cancer is too good for him.

191 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:48:41am

Willfully ignorant left winged snotnosed "world citizen" shitbirds for $200?

192 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:50:32am

#189, Ben F. Cite your court case.

193 SaneInMN  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:51:40am

To the Benny the Idiot...

Who gave me the authority? Cite me a referce, regarding matters of habeas corpus, where the US Constitution applies to peoples other than citizens of the US.


BTW, Here is a win for the Administration...

From AP's account of the 6th Circuit's smack at Judge Diggs Taylor: The Bush administration can continue its warrantless surveillance program while it appeals a judge's ruling that the program is unconstitutional, a federal appeals court ruled...

Idiot stated...

Roosevelt interred Japanese-Americans and executed German spies without a civilian trial. Both were upheld by the Supreme Court. Justice Rehnquist wrote a book, "All the Laws But One: Civil Liberties in Wartime," documenting the fact that the Court will cut the Executive more slack in time of war than it will on other occasions.

You think, maybe, that the composition of the Supreme court effected such a ruling? Do you think we could get away with interning Muslim Americans today? Or, put it this way, do think a Supreme Court, as composed during FDR's Presidency, would have ruled in favor of New London to annex properties soley on the basis of projected taxable income the city would collect? Your "Supreme Court Standard" is bilk, considering sitting members of that institution relegate the Constitution to a "living document", and often cite "foreign law" when defending their decision on a specific case. NO WHERE does the Constitution implicate that it is a living document, to be changed with the whims of the times, at the behest of foreign law.

194 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:57:32am

#193, Sane--. Whats for lunch? An idiotarian, well done.

195 Babydoc97  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 8:57:32am

US out of the UN NOW!

...and vice versa....

196 loppyd  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:14:44am

Ben F.

Some localities allow resident aliens to vote. I'm not sure if any allow resident aliens to run for office, but if a statute or ordinance were to authorize it then I see no federal issue that would allow the case to be brought before the U.S. Supreme Court.

I'm not seeing the connection between this and habeas corpus as it applies to non citizens.

197 FearlessMinky  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:21:01am

Now the question is: Who is going to replace him?

198 legalpad  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:21:48am

Annan presided over child molesting, murder, and payoffs on a grand scale. I think he still has been hinting that "somebody" should do something about the slaughter in Darfur. Gee, I wonder who he thinks could do this?

199 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:22:54am

#174 loppyd

How is a Supreme Court opinion holding that non-resident aliens have due process rights under the Fifth Amendment "not even close" to refuting SaneInMN's contention in #157 that "the US Constitution DOES NOT APPLY to people who are not citizens of the US"?

I might have added, if I had felt like piling on, that when SaneInMN wrote

Terrorists do not follow a recognized chain of command, DO purposefully target civilians, do not wear a recognizeable uniform, and do not wage war under a flag designating their country of origin. Thus, jackass, they are not protected by the Geneva Convention.

he or she was ignoring Hamdan v. Rumsfeld.

Which only goes to show that LGF is still the site that fact-checks your ass.

200 J.D.  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:25:38am

via instapundit...
Follow the link and vote in the poll.

Do you agree or disagree with Annan's claim the United States violated human rights and abused its military power?
201 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:31:23am

#159 Ben F:

Roosevelt interred Japanese-Americans and executed German spies without a civilian trial. Both were upheld by the Supreme Court.

Ah, and that's it, then? That's where your analysis stops? FDR oversaw the internment of 120,000 Americans based on their ethnicity; but the Supremes upheld it, so nothing to see here, move along, no "rule of law" problem here... not like that evil Bush, who wants to listen in on conversations between terrorists without a warrant!

So do you think the different treatment Bush receives from the courts today has to do with a) Bush being so much more savage toward the rule of law than FDR was, or b) a change in the legal culture (and culture generally)? I'm going with b). Or to put it a different way; if after 9/11, Bush had rounded up 120,000 Arab-Americans and put them in camps, do you think today's Supreme Court would have upheld that?

202 mattm  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:31:34am
Annan summed up five principles that he considers essential: collective responsibility, global solidarity, rule of law, mutual accountability and multilateralism.

Just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, like they can solve all the worlds problems.

/sarc

203 leftout  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:36:15am

#42 Ojoe 12/11/2006 08:33AM PST

23 sngnsgt

Cow farts are good for plants and wildlife & driving your car combats world hunger:
[Link: [Link: www.oism.org...]...]


Liberals and global warming fruitcakes won't be happy until they've screwed up the CO2 levels in the atmosphere to the point where all plant life dies.
Whoops, they'll say. We overshot the mark.

204 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:36:24am

#196 loppyd—

Sorry; the subject of habeas was raised much later than the point that I was replying to. In any event, the Supreme Court found and applied habeas rights in Hamdan. The Court declined to reach the question of whether Congress could strip the courts of jurisdiction to hear such habeas petitions because the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, the statute purporting to do so, was held not to apply retroactively to Hamdan's habeas petition, which had been pending prior to passage of the law.

It remains to be seen whether the habeas-stripping provision of the DTA will withstand the Court's scrutiny. I would maintain that even if this provision were upheld, it would be yet another instance of the Bush Administration's trashing of the rule of law, which is counterproductive for the two reasons that I mentioned in my #114.

205 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:38:51am

Hamdan VS Rumsfield had to do with the legality of the establishment Military Commission, not the particulars of the charges against Hamdan.

206 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:42:22am

#201 Occasional Reader—

If you don't think that Supreme Court decisions determine the legality of governmental action, and provide the ultimate assurance that we live under the rule of law, what's your alternative? Perhaps you would overturn Marbury?

207 leftout  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:43:58am

#62 looking closely 12/11/2006 08:40AM PST

F Kofi Annan.

This is OT, but just off the wire, and probably of great interest to this site:

Three Palestinian children killed in drive by shooting in Gaza

The story neglects to mention that Palestinians currently kill more Palestinians than Israelis do


Hey! You can't post that. It does not advance the UN agenda and Kofi's five principles listed above.
/Am I being too sarcastic? --- Channeling George Costanza.

208 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:48:03am

#205 gymnast—

Agreed, but that has nothing to do with the two points for which I have cited Hamdan here. First, the opinion refutes SaneInMN's argument that unlawful combatants enjoy no protections under the Geneva Conventions. Second, the case was brought via a petition for a writ of habeas corpus.

209 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:51:47am

Ben F. Paralegal,

You need to write for Slate magazine or work for the Anti Christian Litigation Unit...you sound just like them.

210 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:53:16am

#201 Occasional Reader poses this question:

if after 9/11, Bush had rounded up 120,000 Arab-Americans and put them in camps, do you think today's Supreme Court would have upheld that?

Don't know, especially given Bush's two appointees, but I have an uncomfortable feeling that many Lizardoids would hail just about anything that makes CAIR apoplectic.

211 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 9:56:25am

#209 goodbye_natalie—

As I am not making any of this up, I have a suggestion for you—if you don't like the Supreme Court cases I'm citing, why don't you lead a grass-roots push for impeachment of the sitting Justices, or for amendment of the Constitutional provisions that they're interpreting.

212 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:10:02am

It might be argued that the Geneva conventions Rules of Land Warfare provide a means for the disposal of illegal combatants. By the way, Hamdan is still in the slam, isn't he?

213 Merovign  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:10:50am

#114 Ben F

While the case can certainly be made that Annan lacks the moral authority to make this declaration,

Understatement of the year.

I agree with his criticism of the Bush Administration's savaging of the rule of law

Overstatement of the year. Nicely packaged!

(e.g. wiretapping without legislative authority or full Congressional oversight;

There is a strong argument that executive authority was properly exercised in a time of war, and precedent is also strong.

use of interrogation techniques that violate domestic and international law;

That is still being hotly debated, with regards to legality, extent, and in some cases even reality (i.e. a number of given examples are apparently invented by the teller).

renditions of prisoners to countries that engage in torture; establishing detention centers outside of the territorial U.S. in an effort to avoid judicial oversight;

In other words, the Bush administration has gone to great lengths to avoid the traditional application of the standards of Article 4 of the Geneva conventions, under which many of these prisoners would historically have ben executed upon capture.

I guess no good deed goes unpunished after all.

Abu Ghraib, BTW, was an article 3 violation, and those responsible were punished (unless, ironically, you choose to torture the meaning of the word "responsible"). Most of those "victimized" would have been excluded from protection under article 4 in any case.

obsessive secrecy; etc., etc.).

BWAHAHAHAHA! BWAHAHA! BWAHAHAHAHA!

So far, they couldn't keep a secret to save their lives. That's just plain rich.

Besides, war plans are SUPPOSED to be secret, especially with regards to, oh, I don't know, espionage and counter-espionage? Or are you really saying that the administration should NOT try to disrupt the funding of terror and the plans of terror organizations, or that in pursuit of such goals there is no penalty to telling the terrorists how you plan to stop them?

The problems are (1) that these practices are divisive domestically, thereby undermining support for the war,

Except the domestic division and opposition preceded the issues in question. Something can't cause something else that preceded it.

In addition, there are a large number of actions that are divisive, unpopular, and absolutely correct and legal. It seems like you're grasping at straws (or perhaps just trying to exhaustively list all possible reasons to oppose a given policy).

and (2) that they embolden our enemies, who can point to abusive US behavior as justification for their own.

Except that the behavior in question, again, precedes the "cause." There is no need to undermine Al Qaeda's beneficence, as it has never existed. In fact, such claims of prescient cause are not unique in history - in fact, they're nearly universal. People are always shifting blame for their actions to others.

So, neener neener!

214 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:11:12am

#209 goodbye_natalie:


work for the Anti Christian Litigation Unit

What in G_d's name does the ACLU have to do with this discussion?

As it happens, though, nine Anglican Bishops joined one of the amicus briefs in Hamdan, opposing the Bush Administration's position. Are you aware of any Christian organizations (American or otherwise) that joined a brief opposing Hamdan's habeas petition? There may have been one or two that I overlooked; I await your response.

215 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:15:03am

#213 Merovign—

Abu Ghraib, BTW, was an article 3 violation, and those responsible were punished

If you believe that one, I have a bridge to sell you. Do you agree with the House Ethics Committee's determination that nobody in the Congressional "chain of command" deserved so much as a reprimand in the Mark Foley incident?

216 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:17:07am

Ben F Paralegal,

I have a better idea. Instead of you worrying about the poor terrorists and their rights, why don't you do some more important sleuth work on why your butt buddy Bill Clinton and his crooks cronies found it necessary to wiretap Princess Di illegally? I would thing a Perry Mason type like you would be apoplectic over an illegal wire tap. Right?

That sounds about right up your alley. "Enquiring minds" want to know.

217 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:19:52am

There are some that would willfully confuse artfulness with wisdom and consider it a good days work. Some Supreme Court Justices are noted for it. Eventually their skills are rewarded in hell.

218 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:23:08am

#214 Ben F. Paralegal,

As it happens, though, nine Anglican Bishops joined one of the amicus briefs in Hamdan, opposing the Bush Administration's position. Are you aware of any Christian organizations (American or otherwise) that joined a brief opposing Hamdan's habeas petition? There may have been one or two that I overlooked; I await your response.

Are you aware that the Anglican Church is on it's last leg as its pews sit empty? Are you aware I could positively give a shiite about some legal mumbo jumbo? Are you aware that the public opinion of the ABA is now lower than the reputation of used car salesman? And are you aware that you sound just like one of the jack booted thugs residing on the board of the ACLU?

219 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:30:53am

Merovign—

Suppose for the sake of argument that the US's "coercive questioning" and extrajudicial detention and rendition policies have resulted in intelligence gains that could not have been acquired via interrogation methods of proven legality and effectiveness (something that has never even been claimed by the Bush Administration, much less demonstrated).

Surely you cannot deny that they have also added to the ranks of our enemies—not with so many jihadis claiming a desire to take revenge for Abu Ghraib and the like. I tend to find credible those critics, which include present and former members of the military, who think that Bush's "aggressive" policies are, net-net, counter-productive.

As for your position that "persuasive legal arguments" can be made in support of some of Bush's programs, the short answer is that the Bush Administration has done its damnedest to avoid judicial review of each and every one of them, and that those "persuasive arguments" have fallen short whenever they have been presented to the Supreme Court. This suggests to me that the Administration has any great confidence in its own legal arguments, but whether or not this is the case the obsessive avoidance of judicial oversight (and often Congressional oversight) undermines US policy promoting the rule of law abroad.

Nixon famously posited that if the President does it, that means it's not illegal. Bush's variant is that if political appointee lawyers say it's legal (irrespective of what the career attorneys say) and the Administration can avoid judicial review, that means it's not illegal. Bush's position is more corrosive than Nixon's IMO.

220 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:32:03am

#204 Ben F.:

I would maintain that even if this provision were upheld, it would be yet another instance of the Bush Administration's trashing of the rule of law

Even if upheld?! But Ben... "If you don't think that Supreme Court decisions determine the legality of governmental action, and provide the ultimate assurance that we live under the rule of law, what's your alternative? Perhaps you would overturn Marbury?"

I smells me a double standard here, Ben. You dodge the question about whether the Supremes' decision on Japanese-Americans interns was the right one, and simply defer to the Court; but if it's Bush... ah, that's different, all the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand; even if the Court upholds him, Bush is still trashing the rule of law.

I think we've all figured out your agenda here, Ben.

221 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:35:38am
As it happens, though, nine Anglican Bishops joined one of the amicus briefs in Hamdan

Ben F., you have descended into self-parody if you actually think this strengthens your argument.

222 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:38:12am

#218 goodbye_natalie—

I merely asked you to support your implication that opposition to the Bush Administration's position in Hamdan was anti-Christian. If you could name any Christian groups that supported Bush, I suppose you would have had a better response than argumentum ad hominem. Come to think of it, this whole thread is more or less about argumentum ad hominem. Kofi Annan is a jerk, and that's sufficient grounds to disagree with everything that he said.

There's a word for that type of argument: fallacy. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Granted, Annan's percentage might be even worse than that, but it doesn't mean that he's absolutely positively always off the mark.

In other words, he's no Dhimmi Carter. <grin>

223 alpha male  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:40:57am

The state of the UN after 10 years of 'African style' governance mirrors the state of Africa as a whole. A total mess.

Kofi Annan is a wanker who oversaw several genocides and did nothing, allowed the oil-for-food scandal and did nothing, the rape and abuse by his soldiers went ignored. The UN is more divisive today than ever in its history.

Thanks for nothing freako. And, good riddance to bad rubbish. May a food parcel fall on your head and kill you outright in Darfur.

We must be grateful though. That another African secretary general will only come around in several decades. Hopefully, the likes of the new Korean secretary-general will have cleaned house and organised everything with the same efficiency that their country and industry is run.

224 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:43:16am

#219, Ben F. I get the impression that you do not have a good idea about what goes on in the Islamist Arab mind. Commit suicide on your own dime, contributions might be a bit slim around here.

225 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:52:44am

#222, Ben F. "Kofi Annan" is a jerk". Hmmm, rather a mild way of treating a man of such negative accomplishments. History will do better.

226 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 10:59:08am

#224, gymnast—

If you want to go mano-to-mano on that subject, so to speak, I suggest that we take the conversation off-line. It's OT. I've been a registered Lizardoid for as long as you have, and I suspect that there aren't many people here that I can't hold my own against on that subject. For example, I was against Bush's democratization program from the start not only because it ignored Natan Sharansky's arguments about the need to establish civil society and the rule of law as prerequisites for free elections, but also because I subscribed to Martin Kramer's arguments (expressly contra Sharansky) about the importance of cultural differences.

BTW, I'm not sure that the "Islamist Arab mind" is the relevant issue. Not all Arabs are Islamist, and not all Islamists are Arabic, and there are problematic elements of each mindset that are relevant to the war.

227 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 11:01:13am

#225 gymnast—

#222, Ben F. "Kofi Annan" is a jerk". Hmmm, rather a mild way of treating a man of such negative accomplishments.

A fair point.

History will do better.

I wish I shared your confidence on that one.

228 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 11:01:18am

#222 Ben F.,

If you could name any Christian groups that supported Bush, I suppose you would have had a better response than argumentum ad hominem.

Do you live in a parallel universe? Whom do you think are the most rabid Bush supporters? Conservative Catholics and Evangelicals pushed the Bush vote total to 60+MM in 2004. I am absolutely sure there were a handful of attorneys in that tally. Then out of disgust with the Bush political correctness, including kowtowing to rotten lawyers, and Mus slums failed to show 5 weeks ago. Does that count?

argumentum ad hominem That's Latin for wwaaaaaa......didn't they teach you to grow a bigger set of nerts in law school?

Your legal opinions concerning GITMO and the like about as useful as a case of syphillis.

229 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 11:12:02am

#228 g_n:

Do you live in a parallel universe? Whom do you think are the most rabid Bush supporters?

Oh, come now, next you'll be telling us that the military supports Bush! Didn't you get the memo? Nobody voted for Bush, it was just those damn Halliburton-Diebold voting machines that automatically cast ballots for him!

230 Mustafa crap  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 11:16:21am

Kofi just fuck off you murdering,thieving piece of shit & take your little brat with you.

231 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 11:19:00am

#226, Ben F. You are way out of your depth if you need to cite sources on the Arab mind. You are a bright guy, in a civilized world, discussing theory, about fighting a war while choosing to do it with your hands tied behind your back. I have respect for the arguments of both Sharansky and Kramer. I have respect for your arguments. There is a difference between respect and agreement. Wars are not fought in courts or by international debating clubs. They are a luxury to be played with by the winners after wars have been decided.

232 mad_scientist  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 11:25:33am

There is a special place in hell for that man, what a POS. So many people suffered because this man would do nothing but tie our hands, and beating us over the head with the "virtue" of the world community.

And I STILL want to know how much money this guy made off the Oil for Food Program.....he has to have almost a billion stashed away somewhere.....he made his money and let Saddam buy weapons, while his people suffered...this man didnt care at all, as long as he made money and could bash the US.

Go to hell Kofi.....sooner rather than later.

233 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 11:38:26am

#228 goodbye_natalie—

Now you've moved on from argumentum ad hominem to quoting me out of context. I'm impressed.

Not.

My challenge was and is for you to support your implication that I was arguing for an "anti-Christian" line by finding any Christian group that came into the Hamdan case in support of the Bush Administration. Or is your point that any criticism of Bush is ipso facto anti-Christian? That would be one way to end the discussion.

234 So?  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 11:41:47am

FU**CK YOU KOFFI.

Did I spell that expletive right?
You lying, scum, thieving whore.
You'll be receiving arab oil money
in your Swiss bank account
for the rest of your days, which I hope
will be very short indeed.


DID I TELL YOU TO FU**CK OFF KOFFI

Koffi you sacrificed your soul for siding
with The Cult of Death. You have so much blood
on your hands washing them for 1000 years
wouldn't clean them.
Here's hoping Allah blesses you
with 72 --150-year old virgins with long fingernails.
And fat dry bony gums.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

by the way, don't forget to fall into an empty Saudi well shaft
on the way out...

235 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 11:45:19am

gymast—

The isn't about fighting a war with your hands tied behind your back. It's about fighting a war without shooting yourself in the foot.

I have no doubt that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest were acting in what they believed to be the nation's best interests. Of course, one could probably say the same of Nixon. I happen to think that, with regard to undermining of the rule of law, all of them were misguided.

I recognize, of course, that people of good conscience can differ on these points; indeed, I put Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld in that category.

236 moonbattan beach, ca  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 11:50:51am

Annan.....Annan.... that's Ghanaian for Carter, right?

237 transferthem  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 11:55:49am

koffi annan......has he left the building?

Janitor! Go and clean up koffi's office. Just remove his rubbish and burn it somewhere. Shouldn't add to global warming any more than the hot air the little prick has been spewing for far too many years.

Thanks, janitor.

Oh, and when you're finished, do the same in the rest of the un building. The place would make a good HQ for a big Israeli corporation in Manhatten, no? Always good to find a use for non-producing assets!

238 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 12:00:12pm

Good presentation by Martin Kramer from this past Wednesday, reexamining the prospects for the Bush Administration's democratization program and suggesting a "Plan B" based on Arab cultural realities (which, he argues, ought to be opposed to Islamism). I would have attended the session had it not been "invitation only."

239 dairenn  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 12:00:49pm

ESAD, Kofi...

240 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 12:08:19pm

#220 Occasional Reader—

Sophistry will get you nowhere.

There is a robust Constitutional debate concerning the possible scope of Congress's ability to nullify civil rights by stripping federal courts of jurisdiction to protect them.

Even if such jurisdictional restrictions were deemed Constitutional, and therefore lawful, they still would constitute erosion of the rule of law because they would carve out areas where our legal rights cannot be judicially vindicated.

Retired Justices have voiced their concerns about this issue (O'Connor comes to mind), and sitting Justices may have as well (I'm not sure one way or the other).

241 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 12:56:11pm

# 235, Ben F. There have been more than a few occasions when the Supreme Court has reached a majority opinion that has not been in the best interest of the people, the rule of law, the original intent of the constitution or all three. I believe in the principles this country was founded on, not in an imaginary infallibility of it's courts or judges-or the infallibility of anything else for that matter. I also believe that impunity is something that does not exist, that gravity is relentless, and that nobody gets out of life alive. War winners write the rules and the history and determine the future.

242 RadicalRon  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 1:17:53pm

Hey Kofi al-Annan, GO FUCK YOURSELF!

Better yet, get your sorry ass to Tehran, David Duke might be interested in giving it to you.

243 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 1:23:13pm

Lawyers should be among the last to refer to anyone as a sophist. Not always, but all too often, lawyers are mearly advocates, hired to obfusicate, prevaricate, and when all else fails, fall back on the old standby, mendacity. Lawyers, journalists, and public relations professionals are useful, if needed, but are rarely held up as role models.

244 LeonidasofSparta  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 2:16:12pm

"Annan summed up SEVEN principles that he considers essential: collective responsibility, global solidarity, rule of law, mutual accountability, fat pocketbooks, multilateralism, and a BLIND EYE TO SCANDALOUS THIEVERY by the UN Sec Gen."

245 missouri boy  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 2:33:46pm

To KoffeeCan and the UN:
FOAD! Literally...both of you. Koffee is a theif and the UN-WORTHLESS FROM THE DAY IT WAS FORMED!

2 CENTS

246 dak  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 2:59:52pm

Truman?

Wasn't he the guy who nuked Japan? Twice?


(IMHO, the right decision at the time, but not something the UN would approve!)

247 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 3:01:55pm
248 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 3:02:11pm

#241 gymnast—

Yup. Most court opinions are delivered with dissents, plus the Court occasionally reverses itself. More importantly, the Court's job is to render legal judgments, not to make free-floating determinations of what's in the best interests of We the People.

As is often observed, the Supreme Court doesn't render final judgments because it's always right; its judgments are deemed right because they are final.

And as for #243, I didn't call anyone a sophist (I've been called a lot of names here, but have not responded in kind), and I'm not being paid to represent anyone in this forum. Nor did I start citing cases until SaneInMN started spouting nonsense about the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions, and loppyd challenged me on a habeas issue.

249 6patrick6  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 3:58:31pm

Koofi Anal-an is an asshole.

Now, he'll go back to Africa somewhere, where his corrupt buddies will welcome him with open arms...and wallets. He'll be like Clinton in that he'll never know when to just STFU and sit down; if nothing else, to count his ill-gotten gains...

And hopefully Annan will die a swift death from "lead" poisoning.

Maybe he and Jimmah Cartah will shack up somewhere and compare notes on who thinks America sucks the most.

May they both assume room temperature soon and pollute our land no more.

250 LoneSome Journey  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 3:59:55pm

It is a familiar situation. A "little boy" is given the opportunity to "stick it to the big boys" and he can't pass on the opportunity.

annan is just a little boy in the position that requires a big man. With annan, they failed miserably. He knew that he'd never become a big man so to him the next best thing was to attempt to diminish a bigger and better man (nation) with smears and lies. Of course, with the worthless un filled with many nations with similar characteristics, his attacks go over quite well, as the un has become one of the few ways little boy nations get to attack (verbally) the USA without repercussions.

It is far past time for the USA to refuse to continue to subsidize these attacks. The US should fund, if any at all, a minimal amount and force these little boy nations to pick up a greater share of the "bill".

251 damnyanqui  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 5:18:02pm

Coffee Anus was never the problem at the UN.
The problem is the way the UN has been structured since it was founded. It's a collection of psychos, deviants, perverts, cannibals, terrorists, communists and plain old nutjobs... BECAUSE there is no sane standard for who the UN lets in.
In the General Assembly, civilized countries like, say, Japan or Italy have no more say than third world hellholes like Zimbabwe, North Korea or Iran. Such poisonous nobodies are actually given a voice and a say in world affairs, neither of which they've done anything to earn.
Instead of a forum to address the world's problems, the UN is a clearing house and networking party for the worlds worst homicidal maniacs. And their primary agenda, of course, is the crippling and destruction of any entity that threatens their criminal enterprises. So they take the opportunity that WE GIVE THEM to attack the United States and the rest of the civilized world.
THAT is the problem with the UN.
The chief third world nobody who gets elected to be secretary general is inconsequental.
If it weren't Annan, it would be someone else just like him.

252 Gretchen  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 5:30:10pm

I heard Claudia Rosette on Hewitt tonight she, as usual, made excellent points. Kofi claims "rich, powerful" America doesn't listen to poor countries. The reason most countries have citizens who are so desperately poor, is corrupt and oppressive government. So, Kofi believes the US has the responsibility to give money to the "poor" countries, which in practice everyone knows is lining the pockets of the oppressive dictators Kofi considers buddies. Explain that to your local moonbat.

253 GreenSoccer  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 5:42:50pm

Sins of omission - and what he chose not to focus on today was Ahamdinejad's Holocaust denial party. How very interesting.

254 tigger2005  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 5:52:51pm

# 23

Kill a cow, eat steak, save the world.

255 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:03:30pm

#248, Ben F. See your #240, line 2. Sophists would be those that employ Sophistry. Lawyers tend to be well schooled in obfusication. Is that a form of Sophistry? Or ornithology?

As to Kofi. It must suck to be an African, but not near as much as it will in the future if Annan is an example of their best and brightest. Maybe he can get a villa next to to Idi Amin's on the Corniche in Jeddah if the civilized World ever gets serious about bringing him to account for his failings.

256 Ben F  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 6:44:34pm

gymnast--

You made ad hominem arguments. Are you an ad hominist?

257 gymnast  Mon, Dec 11, 2006 7:45:43pm

#256, Ben F. Nah, I'm a bird watcher. You ever meet an ad hominist Islamisist?

258 nodhimmimate  Tue, Dec 12, 2006 12:18:57am

freeze his assets & lock him up!

259 DutchRepublican  Tue, Dec 12, 2006 1:52:00am

Could anybody tell me if there is any serious discussion about the UN is situated on ground of the United States?

Here in the Netherlands we have the same sort of press as in the USA: anti-Bush, anti-American, anti-Israel. So it is nu surprise that the farewell speech of the holy Annan had much attention.

260 Ben F  Tue, Dec 12, 2006 3:18:03am

gymnast—

I never saw an ad hominist Islamisist
I never hope to see one.
But I can tell you anyhow
I'd rather see than be one.

261 hithere  Tue, Dec 12, 2006 3:18:31am

In a very ironic way, Kofi has come to embody the UN quite nicely, in that he makes clear the folly of the institution.

262 Jed  Tue, Dec 12, 2006 4:20:17am

I can't imagine how much money is in his bank account that was stolen from the UN, most of it from US payments. How much of it came from oil-for-food?

Can he now be prosecuted?

263 _remembertonyc  Tue, Dec 12, 2006 4:46:05am

could we do a two-fer and put kofi and dhimmi-c in an iranian air force jet and send them on a flight with a pattern that sends them over Israeli air space?


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