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By: Charles Johnson • Dec 18, 2006 at 9:49 am PST

Andrew Levy at The Daily Gut noted this outrageous description of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at TIME Magazine’s web site:

Well, look at it now:

(Hat tip: BizzyBlog.)

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1 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:51:35am
2 frankp_63  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:52:08am

More details emerge about 'jad's less-than-well-received address to Tehran students:


"We were chanting, 'Get lost Ahmadinejad!' and 'Ahmadinejad - element of discrimination and corruption.' You could see from his face that he was really shocked. He wasn't flashing his usual smile, and at one stage I thought he was going to cry. He told his supporters to respond with a religious chant hailing Ahmadinejad, but he was so shaken he was actually chanting it himself."

Another student said: "He was trying to keep control of himself, but you could see he was angry and upset."

3 Indefatigable  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:52:38am

Well, well, well. Scrambling to cover your butts. Serves you right you no talent, suck-up-to-any-dictator hacks

4 Canadastani  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:52:55am

Yes, he is the Global Everyman. That is why the UN acts like it does.

no /, this is playing it straight

5 galloping granny  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:52:58am

Guess somebody must have pointed out to them that their glowing admiration of dinnerjacket's virtues went much too far over the line. Definitely NOT unbiased.

6 sloggin420[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:53:28am
7 Terp Mole  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:53:57am

They just mixed him up with Borat.

Easy mistake.

8 loppyd  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:54:08am

They changed the caption for PR reasons.

We know that they believe what they originally printed.

9 friarstale  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:54:11am

What, no longer a Champion of the Dispossessed?

Poor Time, now Iran is not gonna give 'em that million bbl kickback!

I mean really, if there was an Oil for Food scandal...

but no link...yet

10 Catttt  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:54:33am

Lyrics from a few old songs come to mind.

When will they ever learn?

It's too late to turn back now.

11 NoSubmission  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:54:55am

So, TIME reads LGF.

heh.

FK U, TIME!

12 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:55:15am
They just mixed him up with Borat.

Or Ringo Starr.

13 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:56:26am

The way it know reads, "paradox" is completely irrelevant.

That was a hasty re-write. Expect another soon.

14 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:56:29am

I knew that crap wouldn't last long. Somebody's probably got a sor seat-of-pants over at Time. Or at least time . com. Maroons.

15 Pro-Bush Canuck  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:56:34am

He IS a "global everyman" for Muslims.

That's the frighenting part.

16 republic  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:57:00am

Lying liars, telling nothing but lies!

17 minion  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:57:14am

This shows how much of a tabloid they really are.

18 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:57:36am

Major pimf - know = now.

19 Roger  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:57:36am

We expected this didn't we Charles? It is their modus operandi.

20 blutonazi98  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:57:36am

#12 mad

but only the ringo star in "caveman the movie" version

21 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:57:58am

We saw the original, ya' fucktards. If you had the courage of your convictions, you wouldn't have changed it. However, your changing it shows you knew better in the first place.

22 locutus  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:58:21am

"global everyman"

Yeah, he's a regular Tom Hanks, isn't he?

23 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:59:00am

Wasn't Adolf Hitler TIME's man of the year back in the 30s?

24 Capt. Queeg  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:59:32am

No. Really. What the hell is wrong with our media?

25 Ma Sands  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:00:15am

Even if there isn't an AP counter anymore, it is quite obvious they do pay attention to the bloggers... :)

26 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:00:37am
27 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:00:49am

~weak~

28 varmint  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:00:51am

looks like his membership card in the piss ant psycho dictators club. there should be little stamps on the back marking each anti semitic statement. when the card is full he'll get a free banana split.

29 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:01:07am

(I still curse Time Magazine)

Remember their cover with the US flag in the trash can?

30 Tumulus11  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:01:33am

. The original caption:

'Ahmadinejad, the former Tehran mayor has become possessed.''

31 thedopefishlives  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:01:35am

Okay, this is just plain retarded. Folks, you can't just silently attempt to correct the record like this and expect it to go unnoticed. The very fact that you have to try to change history tells us that you have a guilty conscience - y'know, conscience, the thing that you ignore when you support terrorists and Islamotards over against your own country?

On another note, incidents like these make me wonder how many times the record has been silently 'corrected' before the advent of the blogosphere...

32 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:02:12am
33 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:02:15am

MAGIC !
The blog-wand works !

Do we have a spell against all the moonbats?

Yes !
"TRUTH !"

34 Roger  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:02:33am
35 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:02:43am

Hey TIME, since you're evidently willing to change the caption (hoping no one will notice, but hey), here's an idea; why not change the entire entry, and make it for, say, supermodel Adriana Lima? Just thinkin' out loud here.

36 shakezula  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:02:45am
They just mixed him up with Borat.

Or Ringo Starr.



Everyone knows that Ringo was Yasser Arafat's Doppleganger. He looked just like him before the AIDS set in.

37 Right Brain  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:03:07am

If it wasn't for the blogsphere this nonsense would STILL be posted.

Time Mag got it right, man of the year is You.

38 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:03:53am
39 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:04:35am

Hillary's war machine called. told them to change it.
Time, being a proper and respected DNC publicantion, must be careful.

TIME's MO:
Bush = Hitler
Mahmoud = Polarizing figure
'But we don't need to educate the public about Mahmoud's promises to actually KILL Jews.'

40 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:06:03am
41 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:06:11am

#35 OR
Do you always have to be so practical?

42 maddogg  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:07:00am

WHAT? You mean we can't say what we really think yet? But the Democrats won! Damn. Alright, change the caption so as to cover our asses...

43 Captain Sensible  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:07:45am

Is anyone else kind of freaked out by I'm-a-dinner-jacket's weird smirk he always has on his face?

44 j-damn  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:08:03am
Wasn't Adolf Hitler TIME's man of the year back in the 30s?

Yes, and Ayatollah Khomeini was MOTY in the early 80s.

45 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:08:37am
46 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:08:37am
47 Q-Burn  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:08:42am

Slightly OT... the "dispossessed" appear to be rejecting "everyman" in early Iran election returns. "Centrists" and "moderate conservatives" are leading his allies.

48 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:09:46am

I think the original caption was IDIOTIC, but some folks seem to be angry at Time for changing it. What's up with that? Somebody editor with a head on his shoulders said, "Change that crap" and they did. Good for them. Not exactly prize-winning work, but certainly less idiotic.

49 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:09:53am

As if I needed another reason to cancel AOL...

50 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:10:00am

the LGF laser-guided smart bomb just hit Time Magazine, and we have more of them too.

51 Thor-Zone  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:11:40am

I stopped reading Time almost 30 years ago because of idiotarian write ups like this. This is a worthless publication that should go the way of the dinosaurs.

52 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:12:21am

Koskidz celebrate victory through cheating...
And the 2006 BEST BLOG Winner Is - DAILY KOS

And yes, it really would have sucked to have been beaten by LGF fucktards!

Poll

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They're quite proud of their attempts at cheating; Komments...
How mant times did you vote?

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Recommended by:
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But surprisingly, Wizbang caught a lot of our creative voting efforts.

Daily Kos had 1,451 votes from 8 IP addresses removed.
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LGF had 153 votes from 2 IP addresses removed.

53 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:12:56am

#48 Cognito
Just to have come up with the original caption at all...is very troubling.

54 Fast Eddie  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:14:43am

I don't think TIME has to search for stupid employees. They just show up naturally and line up outside the door.

All the ones that are too stupid and lazy to get into the military.

55 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:15:12am

53 J.D.,

Heck yes. That's why I described it as all-caps "idiotic." It's the other thing I'm wondering about -- people smacking Time for correcting it. Just curious, not a big deal.

56 Chyron  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:15:22am
#2 frankp_63 12/18/2006 09:52AM PST

I am encouraged that the youth in Iran seem so wiling to stand up to him. It gives me faith that not everyone there is completely batshit insane.

#48 Cognito 12/18/2006 10:09AM PST

I agree. It is good to see them editing once in awhile, and not saying "we stand by our story!", like a fevered psychotic.

57 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:15:28am

#54 Fast Eddie
good one

58 Geepers  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:16:00am

"Champion of the dispossessed, global Everyman" No more.

DUBIA - After it was revealed that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad appeared at an international conference where uncovered meat was shamelessly exposed, he has been stripped of his Miss Jihadi title in a scandal due to rock the world of islamic supremacy.

TIME editors in Boston announced today that "due to his extreme disregard" for the tolerant traditional islamic custom of keeping woman in sacks or in their homes Mahmoud would be stripped of his crown. "Despite his repeated calls for Israel's destruction, we felt it would be better that he not be referred to as champion, just yet." said Walter Isaacson, managing editor of Time magazine.

59 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:17:03am

Champion of the Possessed, maybe, but Global Everyman?

Don't they realize that's Bill Clinton?

60 sakublock  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:17:26am

Lines they left out sound like the describing

James Bond

61 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:17:33am

#53 Cognito
What's that saying...You can't unring a bell?
I'll give them credit for changing it. Even a blind squirrel...

62 Thor-Zone  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:17:55am

Here is an interesting article from the UK Gardian about how the student protesters are being treated by the "Global Everyman" and also a little bit about just hard Dinnerjacket was gripping when he was making his getaway from the protest.

63 deanyc  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:19:58am

It's still a stupid caption.

I wish Time would educate us as to why this Persian clown is a paradox.

What the hell is so paradoxical about a murderous thug who goes around talking like a genocidal maniac?

64 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:20:01am

OT:

Found this gem at Ace of Spades:

Video: English Lessons For Japanese Whores

65 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:20:28am

#55 Cognito

The very act of changing it shows that they knew it was wrong in the first place. If they had the courage of their convictions, they would not have changed it no matter what. They're a bunch of spineless wusses who go with the flow.

66 locutus  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:21:20am

#59

Champion of the Possessed, maybe, but Global Everyman?

Don't they realize that's Bill Clinton?

Bill Clinton was also our first black President,too.

67 Thor-Zone  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:21:48am

Hitler was Time's Man of The Year. Here is proof.

68 freya4freedom  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:22:50am

The Print Screen key sure is useful.

69 American Soldier  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:23:02am

OK- one last post before I leave the house:

But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'.


-George Orwell, 1984, Chap.3

70 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:23:25am

Amaddinnerjacket looks more like Pete Townsend than Ringo IMHO.

71 marjoriemoon  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:24:34am

I wonder if TIME was bombarded with enough folks so disgusted that it made them change. I like to think so. And if so, pretty groovy for us! (Even if it still needs working.)

It's my understanding that Man of the Year doesn't necessarily means "Most Beloved". It's intended to mark who had the most effect on us in any given year. That's why Hitler, Stalin, et al have made it to previous covers.

72 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:25:41am

64 MandyManners,

The very act of changing it shows that they knew it was wrong in the first place. If they had the courage of their convictions, they would not have changed it no matter what. They're a bunch of spineless wusses who go with the flow.

That sounds a little bit like they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

73 J Ros  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:25:41am

Wow.

Makes me wonder how close we are to a second Holocaust. I'm sure Time Magazine will be in the front, cheering and appluading as their "global everyman" sends Jews to the gas chambers, like Hitler did.

Guess I'll be cancelling my Time subscription and forwarding this little tid bit to every person I've ever known, in hopes that they'll do the same.

74 NoSubmission  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:26:41am

48 Cognito
The first caption is just so infuriating and completely disconnected with reality.

75 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:27:30am

#63 dean

Indeed,what has this genocidal clown done to make him a paradox?

He supports stoning women and children,he wants jews exterminated.

Maybe they thought Hitler was a paradox also.

A OB/GYN and a Heart surgeon walk into a bar...the bartender says "what can I get for you paradox"?

76 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:28:23am

I came this close to a big multi-color post about possible Dallas to San Antonio Christmas Eve/Christmas Ice Storm Disaster, however, last weeks debacle on my part, where I posted multi color and big (except at Gulf Coast Pundit, which doesn't support fun HTML) warning of a possible Washington to Boston Christmas Eve snowstorm and *White Christmas*, which now looks more like mostly a rain event for the coastal cities, I will wait another day before getting y'all fired up about a tree snapping, power outage inducing ice and sleet storm for Dallas and Waco, possibly as far South and Southest as San Antonio and College Station.

77 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:28:33am

Here's a list of Times faves:

1927 Charles Augustus Lindbergh
1928 Walter P. Chrysler
1929 Owen D. Young
1930 Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
1931 Pierre Laval
1932 Franklin Delano Roosevelt
1933 Hugh Samuel Johnson
1934 Franklin Delano Roosevelt
1935 Haile Selassie
1936 Mrs. Wallis Warfield Simpson
1937 Generalissimo & Mme Chiang Kai-Shek
1938 ADOLPH HITLER
1939 Joseph Stalin
1940 Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill
1941 Franklin Delano Roosevelt
1942 Joseph Stalin 1943 George Catlett Marshall
1944 Dwight David Eisenhower
1945 Harry Truman
1946 James F. Byrnes
1947 George Catlett Marshall
1948 Harry Truman
1949 Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill
1950 American Fighting-Man
1951 Mohammed Mossadegh
1952 Elizabeth II
1953 Konrad Adenauer
1954 John Foster Dulles
1955 Harlow Herbert Curtice
1956 Hungarian Freedom Fighter
1957 Nikita Krushchev
1958 Charles De Gaulle
1959 Dwight David Eisenhower
1960 U.S. Scientists
1961 John Fitzgerald Kennedy
1962 Pope John XXIII
1963 Martin Luther King Jr.
1964 Lyndon B. Johnson
1965 General William Childs Westmoreland
1966 Twenty-Five and Under
1967 Lyndon B. Johnson
1968 Astronauts Anders, Borman and Lovell
1969 The Middle Americans
1970 Willy Brandt
1971 Richard Milhous Nixon
1972 Nixon and Kissinger
1973 John J. Sirica
1974 King Faisal
1975 American Women
1976 Jimmy Carter
1977 Anwar Sadat
1978 Teng Hsiao-P'ing
1979 Ayatullah Khomeini
1980 Ronald Reagan
1981 Lech Walesa
1982 The Computer
1983 Ronald Regan & Yuri Andropov
1984 Peter Ueberroth
1985 Deng Xiaoping
1986 Corazon Aquino
1987 Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev
1988 Endangered Earth
1989 Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev
1990 The Two George Bushes
1991 Ted Turner
1992 Bill Clinton
1993 The Peacemakers
1994 Pope John Paul II
1995 Newt Gingrich
1996 Dr. David Ho
1997 Andy Grove
1998 Bill Clinton and Kenneth Starr
1999 Jeff Bezos
2000 George W. Bush
2001 Rudolph Giuliani
2002 The Whistleblowers
2003 The American Soldier
2004 George W. Bush
2005 Bill Gates, Melinda Gates, & Bono

78 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:29:16am

67 Thor,

The 'Man of the Year" isn't an endorsement, even though it does sound like one. It's just a recollection of the year's most noteworthy personalities, good or bad. Or pure evil.

79 crateramos  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:30:14am

It must suck to be in print media right now. Declining circulation and advertising revenues, and having to stick your finger up to see which way the wind is blowing. Almost as bad as politics.

Memo to Time: reign in the moonbat socialists on your editorial staff, unless you can afford losing a big chunk of whatever shrinking readership you have left. Losers.

80 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:30:26am

77 Peacekeeper,

They're really not 'faves,' just historic figures, regardless of their impact -- be it good or bad.

81 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:30:44am

#38 savage-nation

Stalin got it TWICE by Times. Geez.

82 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:30:59am

Gates was just sworn in.

83 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:32:46am
84 allah this  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:35:31am

Well, this fixes everything now, dunnit?

Please disregard previous criticisms of your fine publication. All is forgiven.

/spit

85 DarthBrooks  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:36:27am

#67

Yes - Hitler, Stalin, and Khomeini were all "Men of the Year".

The difficulty is that some people have a mistaken belief that "TIME'S Man of the Year" is some kind of "honor" - - when in reality it's just about underscoring the person (or in 1982, the machine) who made the most *news* the previous year, good or bad.

In 1979, Khomeini *did* make more news than, say, Jimmuh Carter because the results of his actions led the evening news every night. Like it or not, the Ayatollah and not the Georgia Ninnyhammer made the news happen.

That's why I think it was wrong of TIME to pick Rudy Giuliani over Osama bin Laden in 2001 - - Rudy was *a* great story, but he wasn't *THE* story of 2001. However, TIME is in the business of selling magazines, not reporting facts, and OBL on the cover would have caused a subscription fit for those subscribers (most of whom I imagine are pensioners and dental offices) who would have again assumed that OBL was going to be invited to TIME magazine headquarters for tea and medals.

This of course is why TIME picked "You" as the "Person of the Year" this year - - what better way to suck up to the subscribers than making them feel all super-specialdeelicious?

86 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:37:09am

Hey guys,

I think we should be careful here not to muddy our criticism of Time. Their original caption -- about "champion" and "everyman" Ahmadinejad -- revealed an absolute idiocy on someone's part at the magazine or its web site. A solid criticism.

But when we rail against them naming Stalin or Hitler, etc. -- well, that sort of blunts our point. Those people are legitimate historic and horrific figures -- if Stalin hadn't been named twice, I'd be ticked -- not Time's favorite do-gooders.

87 Isobella  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:37:09am

I didn't realize Time was so dysfunctional as to even consider using the first caption. Time has thoroughly discredited itself with this "Global Everyman" crap. Yuck.

88 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:37:53am

#72 Cognito

You got it. They are anti-Semites who are too scared to stand up for their beliefs.

89 J Ros  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:38:15am

Omg, no words...

I posted above.. but I'm so shocked and stunned that there are no words. It's like saying that Hitler is a "global everyman" and a "champion of the dispossesed".

I wonder if representatives of Time were at the Holocaust denial conference in Tehran last week... They were probably there in the front row, shaking Amaduchebags hands...

This is so disturbing and disheartening.


Amadidyjad is no paradox. He has evil in his heart and wants to destory Israel and kill millions of innocent people.

90 forrest  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:38:35am

#24 - "No. Really. What the hell is wrong with our media?"

They think we are stupid.

91 randman  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:38:56am

I like where the caption reads that "he is considered a foe of the US". Do you think it just might be the "death to America" rallies he leads that might, subjectively of course, make some people suspect he just might be a foe of the US. Waiting for the "some think he is uncomfortable being around Jews" caption.

92 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:39:13am

That list reads like a who's who of socialism and communism.

With a few exceptions like Nixon,Reagan and Bush^2.

93 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:40:45am

Awww... isn't that sweet. Time get caught on a man-crush with a flea-ridden thug whose most notable achievements are the repeated calls to destroy Israel, threaten armageddon to inflict his ideology on the rest of the world, and Time has to change around the caption because it might actually show where Time's editorial staff's mindset (recto-cranial inversion) is.

94 NoSubmission  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:41:41am

86 Cognito

It wasn't simply 'idiocy' in my opinion. This copy writer was praising the dictator as though he were Mother Teresa. It wasn't just a little typo or fact-checking error.

95 pegcity  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:41:49am

Do people really still buy news magazines?

I dont know , im not a big fan of week old news.

96 NoSubmission  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:44:51am

95 pegcity

Do people really still buy news magazines?

I dont know , im not a big fan of week old news.

Excellent point and question.
No. No one reads this crap anymore and the MSM is too stupid to figure it out.

97 Geepers  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:45:00am

I bet if CAIR threatens them, TIME will change the caption to "Total Hunk Superstar Sensation".

98 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:45:02am

94 NoSubmission,

I'd say that qualifies as idiocy. These are, after all, the anti-idiotarian headquarters.

99 wargammer2005  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:45:18am

J Ros

second Holocaust?

sorry, we are still working on the first.

it didnt end in 1945
it didnt start in 1939

100 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:45:56am

Cognito,

They're really not 'faves,' just historic figures, regardless of their impact -- be it good or bad.

No, review some of these other choices and tell me if they reflect your analysis:

1950 American Fighting-Man
1960 U.S. Scientists
1956 Hungarian Freedom Fighter
1966 Twenty-Five and Under
1969 The middle Americans
1975 American Women
1988 Endangered Earth
1993 The Peacemakers
2002 The Whistleblowers


I'd like to know if anyone can find the Hitler Man of the Year story online...

101 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:47:34am

#97 Geepers
Why stop there?

102 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:47:48am

95 pegcity,

The news weeklies are certainly in a troubled time, and trying to keep up. The smart ones are doing well, though. Really well. They offer a deeper analysis than you can get from online snapshots.

103 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:49:24am

arrr... I wonder if some poor schlub made a hardcopy correction, folded it into a tube for someone else in the archives to correct... then went on to the next *correction* from the masters at minitru...

104 pegcity  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:49:36am

I dunno when im in a waiting room if its between Time Magazine and good housekeeping, ill take good housekeeping.

I love how time magazine acts like they just discovered everything, like "hey honey look at this did you know Ipods are popular, time magazine said so, i had no idea"

105 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:49:59am

100 Peace,

Sorry, man, you're not going to get me to back down. When Time named Hitler, for instance, as its 'Man of the Year,' they certainly weren't endorsing him as a favorite.

To propose that is -- again -- to muddy another, legitimate criticism.

106 NoSubmission  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:50:01am

102 Cognito


95 pegcity,

The news weeklies are certainly in a troubled time, and trying to keep up. The smart ones are doing well, though. Really well. They offer a deeper analysis than you can get from online snapshots.

Curious to see which newsweaklies you think are the 'smart ones'.

107 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:50:08am

It's not just the caption. It's the photo of him, chin up, so noble and clear-eyed. Or possibly just trying to look taller, but it's still nauseating.

108 Ma Sands  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:50:29am

#96 NoSubmission

I went to a baby shower last weekend...and the writing pads passed out for the games, were from a stack of Time magazines...

109 shortboard surfer  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:50:55am

#95 pegcity

Do people really still buy news magazines?
I dont know , im not a big fan of week old news.

Great point! It's like posting on a week-old dead thread.

110 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:51:03am
111 Geepers  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:51:14am

J.D. (#101),

From your link:

People, like CNN, is a unit of Time Warner.

OK then.

112 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:51:46am

#100 Peacekeeper

See No. 32.

113 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:52:08am

106 NoSubmission,

I don't agree with everything they say, but The Economist is certainly a smart magazine, and rocking the news stand.

I agree very little with what the New Yorker has to say, but it's another smart magazine and selling very well.

114 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:52:14am

#111 Geepers
Keep it in-house and all...

115 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:52:46am

Far from hagiographic:

Greatest single news event of 1938 took place on September 29, when four statesmen met at the Führerhaus, in Munich, to redraw the map of Europe. The three visiting statesmen at that historic conference were Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain of Great Britain, Premier Edouard Daladier of France, and Dictator Benito Mussolini of Italy. But by all odds the dominating figure at Munich was the German host, Adolf Hitler.

Führer of the German people, Commander-in-Chief of the German Army, Navy & Air Force, Chancellor of the Third Reich, Herr Hitler reaped on that day at Munich the harvest of an audacious, defiant, ruthless foreign policy he had pursued for five and a half years. He had torn the Treaty of Versailles to shreds. He had rearmed Germany to the teeth--or as close to the tooth as he was able. He had stolen Austria before the eyes of a horrified and apparently impotent world.

All these events were shocking to nations which had defeated Germany on the battlefield only 20 years before, but nothing so terrified the world as the ruthless, methodical, Nazi-directed events which during late summer and early autumn threatened a world war over Czechoslovakia. When without loss of blood he reduced Czechoslovakia to a German puppet state, forced a drastic revision of Europe's defensive alliances, and won a free hand for himself in Eastern Europe by getting a "hands-off" promise from powerful Britain (and later France), Adolf Hitler without doubt became 1938's Man of the Year.

116 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:53:58am

So savage scooped me? UNPOSSIMABLE!

117 Geepers  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:55:08am

J.D. (#114),

Yeah, I just love Tim Russert telling me how right Brian Williams is, on the Today Show.

118 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:55:09am

I'll bet that Almondinejihad was their first choice for "Man O' Da Year" but they realized their offices might get torched like the drug companies in Johnny Mnemonic.

119 NoSubmission  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:55:38am

#113 Cognito

I had a feeling you were going to say The Economist. I haven't read it in a long while. I remember it was good at one time.

The New Yorker? Well, they did publish a nice article on Oriana Fallaci just before she died. I work in publishing and I've met a few New Yorker staffers and they are very leftist. Not a surprise, really.

120 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:56:26am
121 BH  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:56:40am

"Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia"

122 IowaInfidel  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:56:40am

OT: Jimmah would agree with the first caption...

Carter's connections

123 J Ros  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:57:09am

#99,

You're right.

It's just too much evil to digest, but the people at Time Magazine are having a great time with it.

124 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:57:40am

Hey, the Pope won an award:

BERLIN (Reuters) - Pope Benedict's controversial Regensburg speech, which angered the Muslim world for appearing to link Islam and violence, won a "Speech of the Year" award from a university in his native Germany on Monday.

The Pope, who gave the speech during a visit to Germany in September, apologised several times for any misunderstanding it caused among Muslims after protests including attacks on churches in the Middle East and the killing of a nun in Somalia.

125 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:57:42am

#120 savage_nation

High five!
126 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:57:55am

119 NoSubmission,

Yes to all that.

127 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:59:59am

#117 Geepers
Why on earth did you watch Today? Stuck in an airport, at the dentist's office, what?

128 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:00:02am
129 dll2000  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:01:26am

#110 savage nation

fantastic link

a quote from the article:

His shadow fell far beyond Germany's frontier. Small, neighboring States (Denmark, Norway, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, The Balkans, Luxembourg, The Netherlands) feared to offend him. In France Nazi pressure was in part responsible for some of the post-Munich anti-democratic decrees. Fascism had intervened openly in Spain, had fostered a revolt in Brazil, was covertly aiding revolutionary movements in Rumania, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania. In Finland a foreign minister had to resign under Nazi pressure. Throughout eastern Europe after Munich the trend was toward less freedom, more dictatorship. In the U.S. alone did democracy feel itself strong enough at year's end to give Hitler his come-uppance.

Substitute Islamism for Nazi and Facism and you have today's news.

130 marjoriemoon  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:02:18am

The new caption "Paradox" isn't much better. What is so paradoxical about him anyway? He's pretty straight forward from where I sit. Personally, I think this description would even piss him off. "Haven't I been clear enough?"

131 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:04:33am

128 dll2000

Exactly. Which is why it was so important that Time make Hitler its Man of the Year.

132 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:06:20am
133 jinx mchue  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:06:32am

I guess they didn't like giving readers the image of them with their collective noses planted firmly between Ahmadinejad's buttocks.

134 jinx mchue  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:07:40am

Oh, and...

MSM: "Bias? What bias?"

135 selpaw  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:09:15am

I guess when the elevation of 'the other' Holocaust denier, Mahmoud Abbas incubator and protectorate of terror can be called a man of peace, it does not surprise me at all that Hitler's understudy would merit such a sanitized bio.

136 elBarto  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:09:50am

They had the english and arabic copy mixed up.

137 Husky40  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:10:44am

Congratulations, Charles, for winning the Best Conservative Blog Award!

Daily Kos won by 949 votes. Doesn't matter.

138 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:11:21am

I think it would have been excellent if Time had the guts to go ahead and call Ahmadinejad the Person of the Year, and then proceed with a description as forthright as their story about Hitler.

139 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:13:49am
If These People Aren't Stopped." If there is any one story of a U.S. fighting-man that can sum up the best in all the stories, it is that of Marine SERGEANT ROBERT WARD, a full- blooded Cherokee Indian who grew up in Los Angeles. He got to be a wonderful marksman with a bow & arrow. When he got hungry he would go out into the country and kill himself a rabbit. Ward's two older brothers were killed in action in World War II. Robert served in the Navy, later joined the marines. After he went into action in Korea last summer, his mother wrote to the President and to the Marine Corps, begging that sergeant Ward, her only surviving son, be transferred from the combat zone. The marines' General Clifton Gates agreed to apply the "only surviving son" rule. (On their own or their parents' request, sole surviving sons serving in any branch of the U.S. Armed Forces may be assigned duty outside the combat zone, if another son or daughter in the family has been killed as a result of the "hazards" of service since 1940.) Leather-faced Sergeant Ward intercepted the transfer orders, went on fighting.

Eventually, despite his protests, Ward was transferred to a desk job in Japan. Last week his mother received a letter from Sergeant Ward. He wrote:

"I'm no hero, but...if these people aren't stopped here on their own ground, we will have to share the thing which so many have died to prevent their loved ones from sharing—the sight of death in our own backyards; of women and children being victims of these people. I went on the warpath for the right to do my bit to keep our people free and proud and now I'm shackled to a useless job.

"I ask you, my mother, to free me so I can once again be free to help my boys. They placed their faith in me and...whenever I led I brought them all back and now someone else leads them and I know they need me. Maybe in a sense I need them—my dirty, stinking and loyal platoon.

"Once I cried before you when I thought I'd lost someone whom I loved very dearly, and once again I did cry when I was told I must leave my men. So, I ask of you the one thing your heart does not want to do—release me to fight.

"I pace my room feeling useless, being no good to anyone. I'm no barracks-parade-ground marine—I'm a Cherokee Indian and I'm happiest being miserable with my men up in those mountains.

"I know you'll understand and that your blessings will go with me into whatever the future holds in store for us..."

Sergeant Ward was sent back to Korea and his dirty, stinking and loyal platoon. His mother said: "When men in our tribe say something, they mean it."

Not all of the U.S. fighting-men are as brave as Sergeant Ward. Very few of them can say what they mean as fervidly as he. But most of them know what they are fighting against—"The sight of death in our own backyards; of women and children being victims of these people."


1950
American Fighting-Man

140 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:13:54am

77 Peacekeeper,

I've actually met five people on that list. Well, six now if I count myself for this year. Maybe I'll interview myself.

Westmoreland
Kissinger
Bush
Bush
Giuliani

141 shug  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:15:53am

from [Link: www.dictionary.com...]

Voluble

vol·u·ble
–adjective characterized by a ready and continuous flow of words; fluent; glib; talkative: a voluble spokesman for the cause.

In a sentence

Ahmadinejad expresses a voluble desire to exterminate every Jew on Earth


I'll be the first to admit, I didn't know the meaning of this word, but then again, I'm not as sophisticated as the folks at TIME

142 jamgarr  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:17:01am

#45 buzz

"Time changes everything."

--Bob Wills

How about "Big Balls in Mo'Town"?

143 dll2000  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:18:03am

More from article at #110

Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism.

Moonbats, who are the Nazi's? Read your history before its too late assjacks!

144 6patrick6  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:20:25am

Looks like a mug shot for that murderous psychopathic thug. Needs to go on AMW as "crook of the week" or something like that. He needs a nap - a dirt nap!

145 dll2000  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:21:02am

More from Time's 1938 when apparently it was a good magazine...

In five years under the Man of 1938, regimented Germany had made itself one of the great military powers of the world today. The British Navy remains supreme on the seas. Most military men regard the French Army as incomparable. Biggest question mark is air strength, which changes from day to day, but most observers believe Germany superior in warplanes.

Those sentiments have certainly changed. I wonder if these military men have the same creditials as the talking heads we see on t.v. now.

146 shug  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:22:56am

#144 6patrick6

I agree. I look forward to seeing his Mortuary photo, as I did with Uday and Qusay and Zarqawi

147 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:23:06am
148 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:24:47am

And now for something completely different: according to the International Wound Ballistics Association, the best shotgun ammunition in terms of stopping power (assuming no body armor) is #1 buckshot, not 00 buckshot.

Thank you for your attention.

149 Cato the Elder  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:26:59am

Somebody at TIME gets caught sucking up to the world's current would-be Hitler.

TIME notices the flagrant ass-kissing and modifies the content.

It is in observing deceit and trickery like this, and recording it for posterity, that we learn what the MSM really thinks.

It's right up there with Photoshopped pictures and staged civilian casualties.

I read somewhere that TIME's choice for "Person of the Year" came down to everyblogger vs. Dinnerjacket. But even TIME shied away from putting Tehran's terrorcrat on the cover.

Their remaining shame would not provide a fig leaf to cover a putto's pecker.

150 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:27:07am

147 taxfreekiller,

My old friend! How are you? I had started to worry.

151 Pope Insouciance IV  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:27:09am

Without a list of his turn-ons and turn-offs, it's just not as obscene as it should be. So I'll supply some.

Turn-offs
Kaffirs
Democracy
Human dignity

Turn-ons
Gutless Europeans
Nuclear weapons
Dead Jews

152 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:28:21am

. Most military men regard the French Army as incomparable

(Snicker)

153 DesertSage  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:28:58am

#140 JammieWearingFool

Maybe I'll interview myself.


If you get yourself a Sock Puppet it would make it a lot easier.
It wouldn't be the first time that it's happened on the web...

:')

154 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:30:13am
Last week Herr Hitler entertained at a Christmas party 7,000 workmen now building Berlin's new mammoth Chancellery, told them: "The next decade will show those countries with their patent democracy where true culture is to be found."

Got that one right, Adolph.

155 puckish_and_beguiling  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:30:49am

#118 TotallySirius

I'll bet that Almondinejihad was their first choice for "Man O' Da Year" but they realized their offices might get torched like the drug companies in Johnny Mnemonic.

My thought was that they were trying to make up for not making him MOTY.

156 scaramouche  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:31:08am

Permit me to rewrite:

"Champion of Judenhass, self-proclaimed summoner of the Mahdi, a man whose evil may yet equal if not surpass that of Adolf Hitler, perpetrator of the Final Solution for the Jewish people, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the most dangerous leader, not just in the Middle East, but in the entire world."

Not that TIME Magazine was any more perceptive last time around, when describing Hitler to its unenlightened, clueless readers.

157 Globular Cluster  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:31:09am

The article is still offensive.

The media are the enemy.

158 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:31:22am

Jammie
Have you met "endangered Earth" yet?

159 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:31:39am
7,000 workmen now building Berlin's new mammoth Chancellery

Hitler maintained diplomatic relations with Mammoths?

160 Major Bedhead  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:31:57am

153 DesertSage,

If you get yourself a Sock Puppet it would make it a lot easier.
It wouldn't be the first time that it's happened on the web...

Too funny.

161 right wing zephyr  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:32:02am

I'm interested to understand if and why Time thinks that this first description is a positive for the Left and if lefties think this is a good thing and if they do, why exactly?

162 J.D.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:32:16am

via Best of the Web:

Saddam Hussein, Victim
From a New York Times story on Iraqi execution methods, set to be used on convicted murderer Saddam Hussein:

The victims are led up a set of steel stairs to a platform, about 15 feet above the ground, and nooses fashioned from one-and-a-quarter-inch-thick hemp ropes are slipped over their necks. The executioners are different each time, drawn from among employees of the Justice Ministry who volunteer for the job. Many have lost relatives or friends in insurgent attacks, officials said.

With a tug of two large levers, the steel trapdoors drop open and the victims fall through. The doors make a loud clanging sound as they slam against the apparatus, according to people who have witnessed hangings. The jarring noise echoes off the cold, unadorned concrete walls.

Death is supposed to come instantly--a doctor is on hand to certify it--and the bodies are removed to a cooler where they are held before being handed over to the victims' families. The entire process is recorded by a photographer and a video cameraman and the images are stored in a government archive.

You may be wondering why Iraq is planning to hang Saddam's victims. Aren't they already dead? Well, yes, they are. The Times is using the word victim in a rather unconventional way--to mean "criminal."

163 Asena  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:32:22am

Why did it take so long?

Was the hatch of the memory hole jammed or something?

164 MSMediaCritic  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:33:47am

As Time's Man of the Year, I am just glad to say that the better man won (me).

165 hunter888  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:34:06am

OT

"Come to Oregon for your winter vacation!"

"Drive our wintry mountain roads!"

"Climb our snow covered mountains!"

If you have the guts...

Hey, folks. Do us a favor. Stay home.

166 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:34:33am
167 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:34:50am

#149 Cato the Elder

What's a "putto"?

168 Tasty Beverage  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:35:10am

#148 Occasional Reader

the best shotgun ammunition in terms of stopping power (assuming no body armor) is #1 buckshot, not 00 buckshot.

That's interesting. Was there an explanation why that is?

169 BIG  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:35:30am

OT - Reuters has a breaking news on it's home page:

Former Palestinian minister abducted 2:04pm ET
Unidentified gunmen abducted a senior Fatah official in the Gaza Strip, a spokesman for Fatah said.

I went to the Jerusalem Post and it didn't have anything up. I'm off to check a few other mideast sources. If anyone gets any info, please post it because I have my pencil and scorecard ready and I'm keeping score on the Fatah vs Hamas matches.

170 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:37:49am

I use OO but I'll have to look into it. #4 is excellent for maiming.

171 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:38:25am

#168 Tasty:

Was there an explanation why that is?

Basically, optimal balance among the following: "how many pellets there are", "how heavy they are", "what shape the pellet burst is in when it hits at typical gunfighting distance" (sectional density) and "what shape the pellets themselves are in when they hit".

172 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:41:45am

What about slugs? Now they will f*ck you up, body armor or not.

173 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:42:31am

#170 PK:

#4 is excellent for maiming.

Yeah, yeah, "maiming", that's your answer for everything.

Anyway, note that the endorsement of #1 buckshot as generally the best wound-inflictor is not necessarily a recommendation for it as the best home-defense load (because of over-penetration issues).

My thought for home defense would be to have two shells loaded in the mag with #6 birdshot, with #1 buck and/or 00 to follow in case the birdshot didn't do the job. And if the buckshot doesn't do the job, you shouldn't have pissed whatever-the-hell-that-thing-is off in the first place.

174 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:44:21am

I don't think these folks have read much on the French Revolution.

They seam to want to relive it on a first person basis.

175 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:44:30am

#169 BIG:
I've been following the story, and if I have any other news, I'll post it to my site.

Here's the link to the story you reference.

176 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:45:54am

#172 PK:

What about slugs?

Just pour salt on 'em. The effects are devastating.

177 Tasty Beverage  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:46:28am

#171 Occasional Reader

Basically, optimal balance among the following: "how many pellets there are", "how heavy they are", "what shape the pellet burst is in when it hits at typical gunfighting distance" (sectional density) and "what shape the pellets themselves are in when they hit".

I guess I just thought the bigger the pellet, the more damage, but all of that factors in. Thanks for the info.:)

178 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:48:23am

From this here website, about which I know nothing:

For personal defense and law enforcement applications, the International Wound Ballistics Association advocates number 1 buckshot as being superior to all other buckshot sizes.

Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired at typical shotgun engagement distances. A standard 2 ¾-inch 12 gauge shotshell contains 16 pellets of #1 buck. The total combined cross sectional area of the 16 pellets is 1.13 square inches. Compared to the total combined cross sectional area of the nine pellets in a standard #00 (double-aught) buck shotshell (0.77 square inches), the # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma.

In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body.

179 abolitionist  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:48:38am

OT
Based on 526,974 votes ... The 2006 Weblog Awards:

Categories
Best Blog --- Daily Kos
Best New Blog --- Lesbian Dad
Best Individual Blog --- The Bleat (James Lileks)
Best Humor Blog --- Sadly, No!
Best Comic Strip --- Least I Could Do
Best Online Community --- FARK
Best Liberal Blog --- Think Progress
Best Conservative Blog --- Little Green Footballs
Best Centrist Blog --- The Moderate Voice

(Minor edit to replace tabs)

180 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:49:40am

#6 shot will protect you, if you get attacked by pigeons.

181 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:50:28am

#172 PK:

What about slugs?

And I quote, from that same website, about which I know nothing:

Unless you live on acreage and anticipate engaging bad guys at distances beyond 25 yards, shotgun slugs are not a good choice for home defense, because of their enormous capability to over-penetrate a human body and common building materials.

(I note, though, they do not appear to consider body armor as a factor)

182 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:51:28am

#173 OR

And if the buckshot doesn't do the job, you shouldn't have pissed whatever-the-hell-that-thing-is off in the first place.

That’s what bayonets are for, but I digress.


/or shoot em with a flare gun.
That’s good for a few laughs.

183 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:52:00am
Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired

Hmmm...gelatin.

184 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:52:56am

Me:

My thought for home defense would be to have two shells loaded in the mag with #6 birdshot, with #1 buck and/or 00 to follow in case the birdshot didn't do the job.

Those website guys:

If you're worried that a missed shot might penetrate through a wall and harm others, load your shotgun so that the first one or two cartridges to be fired is number 6 or smaller birdshot, followed by standard lead #1 buckshot (12 gauge) or #3 buckshot (20 gauge). If your first shot misses, the birdshot is less likely to endanger innocent lives outside the room. If your first shot fails to stop the attacker, you can immediately follow-up with more potent ammunition.

I am smart, like website guys are! Yeah, that smart!

186 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:53:35am
, because of their enormous capability to over-penetrate a human body and common building materials.

Weel if you're going to go all Jimmy Carter on me, of course not

187 BIG  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:54:15am

Thanks Lawhawk. Abu Zaydeh is a biggie in Fatah. This could push the shooting match into a much bigger phase. If he stops exchanging oxygen for carbon dioxide, the feces will hit the oscilating device.

Maybe the Palestinians have a new plan? If they murder enough of their brothers, the world will give in and restore the lost aid money so they can go back to murdering Jews?

188 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:54:52am
158 Peacekeeper 12/18/2006 11:31AM PST

Jammie
Have you met "endangered Earth" yet?

I am one with the Earth, so yes.

I'm also familiar with both my home and work computers, so that might count as another "person" I've met. Or persons. Or peeps. Or whatever.

Perhaps next year Time will honor the shark it jumped.

189 EtNorskTroll  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:56:24am
#14 Cognito 12/18/2006 09:56AM PST

I knew that crap wouldn't last long. (But) Somebody's probably got a sor seat-of-pants promotion over at Time. Or at least time . com. Maroons.

There.

Fixed that fer ya', Cognito...

*wink*

~Norsk Troll

190 Jack Reacher  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:56:44am

The perspective on the article's photo is odd. Ahmadinnerjacket must be standing on a milk crate, unless the photographer is lying on the floor, prostrate before hiim...oooh. It's a Time Magazine photograph.

Never mind.

191 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:57:06am

Occasional Reader

Wasn't it you who "sobered" up the other night to talk about guns? I have a hand gun but am interested in a rifle (unfortunately, I have to be mindful of cost.) But without "male" help, I don't even know where to start. Two things, one, I don't want single action (is that what it's called?) and just like my hand gun, I don't want to purchase something over the web (can that be done?) without handling it first, to see if it feels right. Oh yeah, and I want something with KNOCK DOWN power. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm in cold weather country and have missed the gun shows for the year.

192 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:57:53am

Jammie
Then there are the "25 and unders". Which, adjusted for inflation means 65 an unders.

193 DesertSage  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 9:58:35am

And in other news, Democrats doubt Hillary's electability.

I say: Go for it Hillary!

194 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:00:03am
195 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:00:13am

Come to think of it, for 1990 they mentioned the "two George Bushes" which I'm sure was a swipe at Bush 41 and nothing to do with Dubya. So that should make three Bushes from the list.

I went to HS with one of GWB's cousins, but she's not on the list.

196 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:01:54am

#186 PK:

Weel if you're going to go all Jimmy Carter on me

Even if you're going all Donald Rumsfeld, overpenetrating the human body (of your attacker) is a bad thing; that's wasted kinetic energy.

(And speaking of human bodies I'd like to over-penetrate...)


So anyway, next topic on the Gun Thread Derailment: For home defense with a shotgun, should one train for "aimed shots" or "flash sight picture"? Discuss.

197 Andy in Agoura Hills  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:02:34am

Uh oh, this is really gonna upset the followers of the ROP.: Jews far more likely to be victims of faith hatred than Muslims

Its an article about the UK, but it applies here as well.

198 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:03:08am
199 Dom  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:03:24am

The photo essay is still flattering. The whole thing is bizarre.

200 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:03:31am

#194 Peacekeeper

LOL

But born and raised in Wash D.C. who else could I love but the 'Skins, even as bad as they are.

201 Andy in Agoura Hills  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:04:39am
Iran to Hamas: "Wait Quietly; In Four Months We'll Have a Dramatic Announcement" - Ben Caspit (Maariv-Hebrew, 15Dec06)

Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh received a promise from Iran of extensive economic aid, cash, military cooperation, and also good news, from his perspective.

Lower your profile, calm the situation, the Iranians told Haniyeh. In four months we're going to issue a statement that will dramatically change the strategic balance in the Middle East.

According to Israeli intelligence, the Iranians have promised to make an important announcement at the next Persian new year, which begins the third week in March 2007.

202 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:07:53am

#191 TimeQuake:

Wasn't it you who "sobered" up the other night to talk about guns?

That was me. I may or may not have sobered up.

But without "male" help, I don't even know where to start.

While I'm definitely male (just like those husky football players Peacekeeper is lusting after in #194), I am by no means the best-qualified on this board to give you firearms advice. So any bloviating I may do on the subject should be checked with a professional. Ask your doctor, void where prohibited, etc.

but am interested in a rifle

For self-defense, or critters? If the former, you are probably better off supplementing your pistol with a shotgun. If you're shooting at a human being at more than 30 yards away or so (such that you'd need a rifle), you probably shouldn't be, and will very likely go to jail for it.

203 HeatherRadish  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:08:58am

I must be a real lizard now--I can finally understand taxfreekiller.

204 mardukhai  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:09:00am

Well, it all goes to prove that Jimmah was right, that Jooos do control the Zionist media!

205 mardukhai  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:11:34am

196 Occasional Reader

That cutie, would she happen to be muslim?

Every once in a while I like to find a bikini-clad beautie from the muslim world. Gives me a little faith in humanity's future.

206 bunker buster  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:11:52am
191 TimeQuake 12/18/2006 11:57AM PST
I have a hand gun but am interested in a rifle (unfortunately, I have to be mindful of cost.)
I don't want single action (is that what it's called?)

You're probably referring to a bolt-action rifle - which is apparently not what you're interested in.

If you're looking for a cheap semi-automatic rifle with some knock-down power, you could look into an SKS, which comes in 7.62X39mm, the standard AK47 round. They don't usually run more than about $200, give or take. Be careful ordering them on-line - ask if they come packed in cosmoline (basically a type of grease) which is a pain in the behind to clean. There are also the SAIGA rifles, basically a Russian sporter-type semi-auto patterned on the AK47 design, but without the pistol grip. They also come in 7.62x39 and in .308, and are under $300. One drawback is hi-capacity mags are hard to come by for those, and expensive when you do find them (at least in my experience). You can also pick up a Romanian-made AK47 for about $300 online, too. The Romanian AK47s also come packed in cosmoline sometimes, so you'll want to ask on that one too.

If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask!

207 wenx  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:12:12am

#103 anotherindyfilmguy: SERIOUSLY. I was getting the same 1984 vibe in a big way.

I also agree with Mandy--they should've at least had the cajones to keep it once they made their choice. Wankers :P

208 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:13:10am

OT:

Sweet jeebus! It's anti-jihad metal rap!

209 Aladin Sane  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:13:29am

191 TimeQuake

You might want to look at an Uzi...

If your handgun is 9.0mm, you can shoot the same rounds through the Uzi, and it's accurate for longer distances.

I agree with OR about shooting at someone 30 yards away.

210 scaryfast  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:14:07am

Did I mention the full page ad for Al Jazeera on page 71 of last month's TIME...

211 bunker buster  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:14:37am

Oh, and Occasional Reader is right - what you really want will depend on your intended use.

212 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:15:23am

#202 Occasional Reader

Ask your doctor, void where prohibited, etc.

LOL

If you're shooting at a human being at more than 30 yards away or so (such that you'd need a rifle), you probably shouldn't be, and will very likely go to jail for it.

Bah hum bug. LOL

213 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:16:20am

#205 mardukhai:

That cutie, would she happen to be muslim?

Nope, she's a nice Catholic girl... so my mom would approve, I guess (once I talked her past the whole "Victoria's Secret supermodel" thing).

214 Isobella  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:17:43am

#208 lawhawk -

I just watched it - I liked it. I never thought I'd see the day when an anti-jihad song like this would exist.

For those who don't like the metal/rap mix - just check out the lyrics here

215 bunker buster  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:18:33am
209 Aladin Sane 12/18/2006 12:13PM PST

191 TimeQuake

You might want to look at an Uzi...

If your handgun is 9.0mm, you can shoot the same rounds through the Uzi, and it's accurate for longer distances.

You're right, but Uzis are pretty expensive and relatively scarce, at least where I'm at - and cost is a big factor, as I recall. Kel-Tec makes a 9mm carbine (the SUB2000) that is under $400. Hi-Point also makes a very inexpensive pistol caliber carbine, but I've heard varying (and opposing) viewpoints on the overall quality of Hi-Point firearms.

216 Aladin Sane  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:20:57am

215 bunker buster

You're right, but Uzis are pretty expensive and relatively scarce, at least where I'm at

Agreed. The weapons you suggested were much more reasonable and more readily available. I think starting prices for an IMI Uzi are about $1,000.

/Not that my judgement is affected by the fact I want an Uzi for Christmas...

217 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:21:12am

Bunker Buster

Thank you for the info. My hand gun is a Glock 23 .40 caliber. Those guns you described, would local gun shops have those?

218 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:21:24am
219 mardukhai  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:21:33am

By the way, my friend stuck in Iranian limbo, has told me how the Mullahs elect their "presidents" --


On the day of elections, all of us 700 soldiers in the battalion were taken in buses from one village to the next.

In each village we voted as we were told. The officers watched us. We had no choice. Then we went to the next village.

We voted seven times that day.

220 maddogg  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:24:46am

#218 TFK

You know, I been trying to find a set of plans for the "grease gun". It would make an interesting project for the weekend:)

221 BIG  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:24:56am

#219 mardukhai 12/18/2006 12:21PM PST

So how is that any different from what the DNC does on election day?

222 hepcat  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:25:02am

7 Terp Mole
They just mixed him up with Borat.

Check this out:
Stalin ~ Borat?

223 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:26:25am

#217 TimeQuake:

My hand gun is a Glock 23 .40 caliber.

Excellent choice, IMHO. I'd buy one, too... if it weren't for the fact that I live in Washington, DC, where they apparently forgot the 2nd Amendment. :(

You know of course that the Glock 27 subcompact can take the magazine from your 23, right? Seems to me that makes it a good choice as a backup handgun for you, if you're ever thinking about it.

224 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:26:30am

An excellent choice for home defense

225 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:27:36am

This is more fascinating than the vacuum thread of a few days ago.

226 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:27:40am

#224 PK:

It is flat-out insane to fire one of those things without eye protection, IMO.

227 so.cal.swede  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:28:48am

OT:

Obviously, as soon as i post this, Charley will open a new thread so noone will see this.


but here's an interesting article from catholic.org

228 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:29:34am

#216 Aladin:

I want an Uzi for Christmas...

If I were going to spring for an Uzi (and lived somewhere this was legally possible), I'd actually step up a bit and get an HK MP5.

229 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:29:39am
HeatherRadish 12/18/2006 12:08PM PST

I must be a real lizard now--I can finally understand taxfreekiller.

Well, I see you're about to hit your four-month anniversary tomorrow (and your 666th post any moment), so yes, the tfk incubation period has run it's course.

He's eagerly awaiting the coming of post 3,400,000, which may well happen on Christmas.

230 BIG  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:30:18am
#226 Occasional Reader 12/18/2006 12:27PM PST
#224 PK:

It is flat-out insane to fire one of those things without eye protection, IMO.

I thought you were talking about a Red Ryder BB gun with a compass in the stock until I went and looked at the pic Peacekeeper provided.

231 dll2000  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:30:44am

#219 mardukhai

I've seen that done in Chicago with school buses of non-english speakers being told who to vote for.

Kind of explains the opposition to immigration control, eh?

232 itellu3times  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:31:00am

The apoplectic, apocalyptic, sanctimonious taqiyya- and jihad-obsessed ex-Tehran mayor, once one of those taking US embassy hostages, and now most likely to get Tehran nuked. He's our boy.

There, fixed it for ya, Time. Send my check to Charles.

233 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:31:18am

if there is an Israel/Palestine link in Iraq (which there isn't), those wishing for a new election by Abbas in order to help facilitate a mid 2007 pullout of US troops in Iraq are...dreaming

Abbas’s chief of staff, former Arafat aide Saeb Erekat, said it would be impossible to hold the elections before mid-2007 due to the bureaucratic process.

-arutz sheva

234 Globular Cluster  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:33:57am

I love how the photo and caption make Mahmoud out to be the latest media Che Guevara. They love him. They always do love the anti-american dictators.

235 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:34:34am

Peacekeeper

Is that a gun or fireworks? LOL

Occasional Reader

Yes, the shop where I bought it specializes in Glocks. The owner put a clip in my gun, I believe it might have held 32 rounds, but it was awesome. I might add, I had moved away from the area for over 19 years, and I was shocked at the ROAD signs going into DC, saying guns were strictly prohibited. But I guess ok for the criminals.

236 Peacekeeper  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:34:43am
It is flat-out insane to fire one of those things without eye protection, IMO.

Don't getcher panties inna knot, Streisand.

237 bunker buster  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:35:45am
#217 TimeQuake 12/18/2006 12:21PM PST

Bunker Buster

Thank you for the info. My hand gun is a Glock 23 .40 caliber. Those guns you described, would local gun shops have those?

You're welcome. To answer your question, it depends. You'll probably be most likely to find the SKS and Romanian AK47s at your local gun dealer. The rest can be hit or miss, no pun intended. However, gun stores will often place special orders for you if you want something they don't normally stock. Also, if you a buy a firearm from the internet, you usually have to have it shipped to a FFL-holder anyway, if you're buying from a manufacturer or dealer.

238 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:37:34am

#235 TQ:

Yes, the shop where I bought it specializes in Glocks.

Brilliantly-designed line of guns, in my opinion, particularly for self-defense. Not to mention simple/"elegant". Pull the trigger and it shoots; don't pull the trigger and it won't (even if you drop it down the stairs).

and I was shocked at the ROAD signs going into DC, saying guns were strictly prohibited.

Eh?! Never seen those signs, or at least haven't noticed them. Anyway, you can get a license for a shotgun or rifle here, thank goodness; but almost impossible for a handgun.

239 maddogg  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:39:16am

#238 O.R.

Washington DC, Living proof of how well gun control really works. Pathetic.

240 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:40:13am

#238 O.R.


Pull the trigger and it shoots; don't pull the trigger and it won't (even if you drop it down the stairs).

I love tools with a simple "point & click" interface like that!

241 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:40:16am

PK, bringing up the concept of "Streisand... panties" is just as awful as whoever it was the other day who visualized Madeleine Albright in a miniskirt. It's just... plain... wrong.

242 bunker buster  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:40:17am
243 mrdriven  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:43:45am

not only is Time stupid, they have no spine either...

perhaps they should rename the magazine

Time for and by Invertebrates

244 crateramos  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:43:57am

#208 lawhawk

Sweet jeebus! It's anti-jihad metal rap!

Sweet! 'Bout time the arts kicked in on this (even if you consider applying that term to rapmetal a bit questionable!). Ya think Lizardia's big enough to have our own house band?

245 bunker buster  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:43:57am

I got your stopping power right here.

246 American Soldier  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:44:31am

#218 taxfreekiller

#206

can she buy old .45 cal greese guns,
two of them one in each hand and
full clip from both,stops them
and no wood to shine, just the
spring that gets clogged up


One of my former NCOs had an M3 in his personal collection. He invited me out to shoot it just before he transferred it to someone else. He got impatient with my firing controlled bursts on target, told me I just had to empty one magazine full out (an expensive way to piss away ammo if you're paying for it). I used Fiocchi hardball ammo, which has a golden hue to both the jacket and the case. It was at sunset, and for one lengthy moment I had a golden fan of brass hanging in the air by my shoulder. It was almost a religious experience.

/drive-through posting

247 bunker buster  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:46:18am

Sorry about the double post.

216 Aladin Sane

Not that my judgement is affected by the fact I want an Uzi for Christmas...

Heh. :-)

248 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:47:48am

OT: I'm on a Hillary Clinton kick today. Don't know why.

Looks like Queen Hillary doesn’t want to be seen shaking hands with the uber-Socialist fem-candidate-Royal from France.

[Link: today.reuters.com...]

hmmm - Once again strategic Democrats seeking power have to shield who they really are for fear of appearing as they really are.

Sure, Hillary isn't as full-tilt a Socialist as most European Socialists. But there isn't any doubt that Hillary wants the US to move in the direction of European Socialism.

249 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:51:03am

Occasional Reader, Bunker Buster and you too, Peacekeeper

I do appreciate the information, I did a copy and paste to take to the gun shop, I have to handle it first, so I know it's a good fit. I want another gun for Christmas and the prices that you quoted are half the price of the Glock.

Yes, I love my Glock. In order to be proficient at it and get a conceal carry (although, I would have to get a much BIGGER purse to carry it in, ha ha), I started lifting weights and then went to the 4-H club every other week to practice. The range is now closed for the winter, but I confess, I'm not a bad shot (it's been a year). And it truly has a calming effect on me, especially after reading all the news that Charles continues to tell us.

250 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:51:28am

OT The police might've caught the Ipswich serial killer.

251 Odinist  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:51:46am

Peacekeeper, OC, et al-

I used to be able to buy 'scatter shot' loads for my 12 gauge- shells filled with small, flattened lead pellets that are only effective at close range and don't have the penetration power of regular loads... Recently, I haven't been able to find them... Have they been banned or something?

And as to the stopping power issue- my grandfather always kept a double barrel shotgun for home defence- one barrel loaded with 00 buck (to bring the intruder down) and the second with a slug (to finish the intruder off)... I guess nowadays his choice would be considered amoral and illegal...

/sigh, how the times have changed...

252 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:52:47am

My personal fav.

If its good enough for the boys in the sandbox.

Image: Image:0NOT8ab2005-01-26.jpg

253 HeatherRadish  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:54:24am

Gutfield's on a roll today.

Don't miss the comments; the anti-America crowd's missing sense of humor is funny in itself.

254 Odinist  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:55:48am

PIMF- do'h! That should have been 'Peacekeeper, OR, et al-

255 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:58:22am

Bunker Buster

Barrett .50 oh yeah, but cost...yikes.

256 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:59:32am

#253 HeatherRadish

Is that for real?

257 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:00:23am

Oh I like that M-21 and the soldier with it. LOL

258 The flying Kiwi  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:00:37am

Another candidate for the cover of Time magazine?

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

Could be very interesting to see where this goes.

Da'Kiwi

(6 more sleeps to go...)

259 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:01:31am

Of course, the very best weapon is love, and tolerance, and mutual understanding.


(Continues loading 12-gauge)

260 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:02:14am

I'll see your collective arsenals and raise you (courtesy of the Armorer)

261 bunker buster  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:02:18am
#255 TimeQuake 12/18/2006 12:58PM PST

Bunker Buster

Barrett .50 oh yeah, but cost...yikes.

Don't I know it. Blue Book value on my car is less than that!

262 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:04:23am

#260 lawhawk:

I'll see your collective arsenals and raise you

So you have artillery, a B-17 Flying Fortress and a castle?!

Man, what the hell kind of neighborhood do you live in? Ever consider moving?

263 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:04:57am

#258 The flying Kiwi

A warning would've been appreciated. It's gonna' take a moment to reorient my mind.

264 bandarlog  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:06:43am

Interesting post by the Egyptian Sandmonkey on an Egyptian court ruling condemning Bahais for not endorsing violent jihad:

...its believers have totally and utterly forbidden the islamic sharia sanctioned Jihad, for they wish to get the islamic nations to hand its neck to their executioners without any resistance, using idelaistic and romantic speeches to get everybody to agree to one global government...

265 OldTime_Rock&Roll  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:07:21am
#261 bunker buster

#255 TimeQuake ST
Bunker Buster

Barrett .50 oh yeah, but cost...yikes.

Don't I know it. Blue Book value on my car is less than that!


---
Yeah, but can your car take out a jihadi from a mile away?

/You gets what you pays for!

266 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:09:58am

Lawhawk

That Catapult M46 13...now there's a vehicle I'd like to park in my driveway. LOL

267 HeatherRadish  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:10:00am

#256 MandyManners

Nyah. Gutfield writes parodies designed to highlight the illogic of lefty activists. Kafirs aren't allowed in Mecca.

268 wargammer2005  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:10:45am

lawhawk
if you are ever looking to adopt...

:-)

269 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:12:05am

#267 HeatherRadish

That's what I thought. I was wondering about the homosexual Muslims, though.

270 gymnast  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:13:35am

Ahmadinejad running a country is as valid a concept as Charlie Manson running a country. Free Charles Manson, strike a blow for insanity, religious freedom, peace, and good government.

271 Pro-Bush Canuck  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:15:03am

The Left is so bloody TREASNOUS it hurts. I scanned some stories in Salon today. Among the usual filth I find this:


Finding my religion: "Fifteen years ago, I converted from Catholicism to Islam. My mother still doesn't understand my choice, but there's not a day that I regret it."

By Patricia Dunn

And again:

The terrorist you've never heard of: "Unlike alleged al-Qaida terrorist Jose Padilla, right-wing "dirty bomber" Demetrius Crocker was investigated and prosecuted the old-fashioned constitutional way."

Salon is a mainstream publication with millions of readers. How can the US possibly prevail against the Islamists with so many people in denial, or worse?

These leftists are converting to Islam, and downplaying the Islamist threat in order to divert our attention to the "next McVeigh".

I swear, Canada is not nearly as infested by traitors. Moonbats sure, but nowhere near as many sheer traitors as you all have.

272 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:15:32am

Occasional Reader

Of course, the very best weapon is love, and tolerance, and mutual understanding.

Yeah, that has worked so well for us in the past.
/sarc

(Continues loading 12-gauge)

Now that is what's going to work for us in the future.
/no sarc

273 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:15:38am

#257 Timequake

Got to play with that at Aberdeen. They wouldnt let me take it home :-(

(the gun, not the soldier. Your on your own with him)

274 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:18:12am

Occasional reader:

Peace through superior firepower. But those aren't my weapons, but those of The Donovan (aka the Armorer). I bet he's got the safest block to live on for miles around...

275 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:18:23am

271 Pro-Bush Canuck

My cousins in the town where that freak was prosecuted never heard of the case. You'd think the left-leaning Jackson Sun would've covered it.

276 PeteRamone  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:18:49am

#63 deanyc & #75 TotallySirius

Champion of the dispossessed ,global Everyman, and polarizing - what a paradox!

Such a great guy; and yet, some people don't like him.

277 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:20:23am

#271 P-B C

I bet the traitor ratio is roughlythe same,you just don't hear much about Canadian traitors because they are not constitutionally protected like ours are.

278 allah this  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:20:30am

Not willing to be outdone by the ballot-fixers of DailyKOS, the Iranian administration has arranged a decisive victory over its electoral opposition, in yet another display of freedom, democracy and love.

From DEBKAFile

Ahmadinejad’s Followers Ordered to Falsify Election Results

Tehran sources report that [dinnerjacket's] followers, seeing which way the wind was blowing, took matters in their own hands. Backed by armed Revolutionary Guards, they stormed the counting sessions Monday, Dec. 18, using threats and physical harassment to force the counters to falsify the results and reverse the gains.

Sixty hours after balloting ended, when only 10 percent of the returns to the key Tehran city election had been counted, the publication of further results was suspended.

Link

279 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:21:26am

#271 Pro Bush...

I swear, Canada is not nearly as infested by traitors. Moonbats sure, but nowhere near as many sheer traitors as you all have.


See my comment on the French Revolution.

These people believe they will never be held accountable for their actions.

Boy are they mistaken.

280 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:22:01am

haus bin pharteen

Lucky you. The gun, obviously.

281 Pro-Bush Canuck  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:22:09am

#275 MandyManners

I never heard of him either. All the Leftists care about is that he was convicted "Constitutionally", as though Al Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan deserve the protections of the Constitution.

Sick. Sick. Sick.

The Left will yet bring us down.

282 uptight  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:22:59am

"Global Everyman"?

Well that is the fear...

283 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:28:27am

271 Pro-bush Canuck

Salon is leftist horse shit.
Most American pop-magazines are leftist horse shit.

Still, it's pathetic and angering, I know. Leftists are encouraged to be rebellious twats;
For no other reason than "They hate daddy".

284 Luigi  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:29:34am

The champion of the dispossessed is playing Stalin with Iran’s elections for local councils

[Link: www.debka.com...]

...his followers, seeing which way the wind was blowing, took matters in their own hands. Backed by armed Revolutionary Guards, they stormed the counting sessions Monday, Dec. 18, using threats and physical harassment to force the counters to falsify the results and reverse the gains.

285 Pro-Bush Canuck  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:31:26am

#277 TotallySirius

Well, to be frank, Canada does not have many of the features of the US system which drive the moonbats bananas. We do not have a Second Ammendment, for example. There is no right to bear arms at all (although the government would have an extremely difficult time disarming all Canadains).

Our moonbats tend to be less treasnous because they have already partially Euro-fied Canada. Also they don't believe Canada is the "source of evil" that leftists globally see the US as. This despite the fact that we are a capitalist country spewing greenhouse gasses and machine-gunning Taliban by the dozen every week.

There are no parallels in Canada to the extreme deranged hatred directed toward Bush. Harper is actually more right-wing than Bush, but he receives fairly muted criticism in Canada.

All of this bothers me because I know the US is the best nation on earth. Canada is good too, but we lack many of the best features of the US. The number of people in the US who DO NOT DESERVE TO LIVE IN AMERICA is staggering. Half the Mexican illegals deserve citizenship before these anti-American bastards. There are millions of freedom-lovers around the world who would change places in an instant with the ungrateful, decadent and depraved leftist whiners in the likes of Salon.

286 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:32:20am

278 Allah.

Corrupt power-hungry a-holes are the same everywhere.

Kos or Ahmadinejad. It's all the same. At least Kos isn't an actual country where people
who seek freedom are denied.

287 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:33:39am

#285 P-B c

Let's trade.

Our moonbats for you and the others that think like you.

288 beens21  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:37:25am

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...] Gut has their panties twisted again at the Huff.

289 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:40:38am
290 zenbone  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:41:03am

Voluble!

291 Cato the Elder  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:42:06am

#167 Mandy:

Sorry, didn't see your question till just now.

It's a cherub-like figure as seen all over Baroque paintings etc. A little winged baby.

292 crateramos  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:42:44am

#260 lawhawk

I'll see your collective arsenals and raise you (courtesy of the Armorer)

Impressive, but I think this will smoke everyone.

293 HeatherRadish  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:43:42am

#269 MandyManners

The teenagers publically hanged last August for the crime of being gay? That part is true. I think I initially read about it on JihadWatch, or one of the comments here, but I can't find the link.

294 guzziguy  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:43:52am

Wow! Editors of Time read LGF. That's cool.

295 HeatherRadish  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:45:33am

#288 beens21

The comments are the best part, really.

296 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:47:36am
297 Buckeye Abroad  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:49:28am

#294 guzziguy

Wow! Editors of Time read LGF. That's cool.

Actually, my thoughts were 180.

People still read Time? Wow!

298 Luigi  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:55:10am
In what might be called the mother of all surprises, Iraq's economy is growing strong, even booming in places.


[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

299 Abu Bin Squid  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:55:12am

If TIME really wanted to do Armanidinnerjacket any favors they would airbrush his photo. Yuck!

/would you buy a used camel from this turd man?

300 nodhimmimate  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:57:24am

# 208 lawhawk

cheers mate! Stuck Mojo Rock instant fan now.

301 NoSubmission  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:58:09am

289 tfk


They used that photo because it was nicer than this one!

302 NoSubmission  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 11:59:58am

This photo of DinnerJacket is begging for a caption.

303 cszwed  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:00:08pm

Hitler, Stalin(2), Krushchev, Ayatullah Khomeini, Carter, Ted Turner, Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev

304 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:00:22pm

301 NoSubmission,

Hahaha -- somehow it's the shoes that really got me, there.

305 Judith  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:00:46pm
306 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:00:56pm
307 NoSubmission  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:02:39pm

304 cognito

Heheh!

For me it was the knees!

308 Dom  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:03:25pm

OT This was on Drudge, I thought it was very funny: Runner Fails Gender Test, Loses Medal

An Indian athletics official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media said Sounderajan almost certainly never had sex-change surgery.

Instead, the official said Sounderajan appeared to have "abnormal chromosomes." The official also said the test revealed more Y chromosomes than allowed.

309 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:06:04pm

Chairman of the dispossessed.

More like Chairman of the possessed.

That had to be posted before.

310 Ghostmaker  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:10:28pm

Wow. How terribly Orwellian. He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past. Time by now has so completely lost its collective mind that it seriously believed for one second that no one would notice or question the change. Thank God I still live in a world that has a press that is at least free enough to be biased voluntarily.

311 aaron  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:11:22pm
312 Pro-Bush Canuck  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:11:41pm

I actually found ONE thing in Islam that I completely agree with. Under Islam abortion is 100% banned (and is considered murder, punishable by death) EXCEPT in cases where the mother's life is directly threatened.

This is the ONE--and only one--area where Muslims are far more humane and morally just than we are. In Canada we murder over 100,000 unborn children per year.

Of course all the other atrocities in Islam render this one good point rather meaningless.

313 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:11:47pm

#288 beens21

Love the comments.

"Question: why is it the left can spew so much venom toward America and its administration, but they can't do the same to the very forces that are intent on wiping us off the face of the earth?

"Answer: because they're cowards.

"What, were you expecting a joke?"

Best of luck in Iraq, butchie boy.

314 LSD  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:17:32pm

Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid Stiff U2's Bono: Rocker 'Alarmed'

"I'm alarmed we could not get a commitment from the Democratic leadership to prevent the loss of $1 billion in the continuing resolution," Bono said Thursday in a statement.

"I don't know who to blame. Democrats are blaming Republicans. Republicans are blaming Democrats. But the million people who were expecting (mosquito) bed nets don't know who to blame. They just know that a promise made by the United States to keep their families safe is in danger of being broken next year."

Maybe now, Bono, you will wake up and see why Liberals Are Dangerous, and actually care NOTHING for the unfortunate global masses ...

315 Rancher  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:20:19pm

It looks like the Global Everyman is going to shake things up in the upcoming Hajj ceremonies.

The Islamic Republic itself is expected to send 200,000 pilgrims, representing almost 10 percent of the total. Saudi officials claim that some 5 percent of the Iranian pilgrims have always been identified as members of the Islamic Revolutionary Corps and the Islamic Republic's various intelligence services. This year, however, the profiles of Iranian applicants for pilgrimage visas indicate that more than 20 percent may belong to the military or security services.

To these must be added professional street-fighters from the various branches of the pan-Islamic Hezbollah movement, which Iran created in the 1980s as a way to "export" Khomeinism to other Muslim countries. The movement's best-known branch, the Lebanese Hezbollah, has announced it will sending over 3,000 pilgrims this year - all paid for by Iran.

With so many men with military and security backgrounds in Mecca, the mullahs leading the Iranian pilgrims would be in a position to seize control of the space around the black stone of the Ka'aba (The Cube) and use it as a venue for political demonstrations.

Interesting times ahead.

316 Buckeye Abroad  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:28:27pm

#314 LSD

"I don't know who to blame. ..."

The über-hypocrit speaks.

Hey Bono, your Jesus complex is showing beneath your skirt.

317 PISSED  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:28:30pm

My God, when are we going to be reading time magazine from right to left?

hmmm---

318 GregInSeattle  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:30:44pm

Head of Iraqi Surrender Group Defied Iraq Sanctions?

Yes, it's WND, but they get some things right : ) We'll see on this one.

319 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:31:55pm

This is the same TIME magazine whose self-congratulatory "Photos of the Year" issue made not a single mention of the whole fauxtography scandal.

320 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:33:04pm
321 Tempestman  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:34:27pm

I'm sorry, but this is so disconnected from the facts (even for a liberal rag like Time) that the whole thing smacks of an attempted prank on the right-leaning blogosphere to me.

Can't you just picture it? Some naive, liberal KosKid follower employed at Time goes into their website and deliberately inserts the first version of the text saying to himself, "I'm just doing this to annoy and upset the so-called "neo-cons" and what not"...and then when he gets all of us all riled up and fiesty, he gets to sit back and watch the fireworks.

Time may be a typical left-leaning liberal magazine that long ago lost its moral compass and certainly its objectivity, but the original caption is just too over-the-top, even for them, IMO...

322 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:37:54pm
323 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:40:55pm
324 Rancher  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:43:05pm

#321 Tempestman

That's kind of what I was thinking. Anyone remember a Mary Tyler Moore episode where Mary and Rhoda got a little tipsy and made up some ridiculous obituary for Minneapolis' oldest citizen, who then not surprisingly dies. Ted read it on the air of course and Mary got fired.

325 scaramouche  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:52:07pm

#324 Rancherman

Since we're reminiscing about the MTM Show, remember that one where Chuckles the Clown was wearing a peanut costume while riding in a parade and was killed when a rogue elephant tried to shell him?

Don't you wish that sort of thing could happen to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

326 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:52:51pm

321 Tempestman,

It's not really the conspiracy some people here make it out to be, I think.

People who slap the little captions onto Time's web site are not the same people who research and write the stories. The caption people don't do their own reporting, they just grab some little detail from the story.

So here's what I suspect happened. The story reads:

And then there is the Jacket? -- the bland beige windbreaker he wears even for affairs of state, projecting the image he prefers for himself as champion of the dispossessed, a global Everyman.

Little else is ordinary about Ahmadinejad, 50. In his 18 months as Iran's President, the former engineering professor turned Tehran mayor has become the most voluble, polarizing leader in the Middle East. It isn't simply his country's support of militant Shi?ite groups in Lebanon and Iraq, or Iran's suspected pursuit of a nuclear bomb. In 2006 Ahmadinejad also appealed to audiences beyond Iran who resent U.S. power and feel emboldened to challenge it. His denials of the Holocaust and his threat to destroy Israel cause shudders in the West but have made him an icon throughout the Muslim world.

Ahmadinejad's bombast has stiffened the Bush Administration's resistance to talking with Tehran. And discontent with him is growing at home. Last week a few dozen students shouted "Death to the dictator!" as Ahmadinejad delivered a speech.

Taken in context, those phrases make a lot more sense. Some half-wit caption writer took them from the story and plugged them in below the picture. And, voila, we've got an idiotic display from Time.

It didn't last long, obviously. Somebody with a lick of sense saw it and removed it.

327 saltiel  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:54:57pm

Everyone see the excellent editorial in the LA Times (yes, you heard that right) on Saturday?

[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Why they deny the Holocaust, by AYAAN HIRSI ALI, a Somali immigrant who served in the parliament of the Netherlands until earlier this year, is the author of "Infidel," an autobiography to be published in February.

328 Rancher  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:55:01pm

scaramouche

I dont remember that one, LOL. Unfortunately Iran’s problems go way deeper than Ahmadinejad. BTW, is the Ayatollah dead yet?

329 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:59:01pm
330 Yank in the EU  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 12:59:43pm

Not to be missed:

French Pres. candidate's ties with Hezbollah may hurt relationship with Clinton

"It would help Royal to be seen with Hillary. But the contrary isn't the case. ... Royal's contacts with Hezbollah may not go down well with Hillary's Democratic supporters."

On her recent Middle East visit, Royal waited a day before condemning comments made in front of her by Hezbollah politician Ali Ammar who described past Israeli occupations of the country as Nazism. She said she had not heard his words.

She was also forced to clarify her position after she seemed to agree
with Ammar's assessment of U.S. foreign policy as "unlimited
insanity
".

331 scaramouche  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:01:16pm

#328 Rancher

Unfortunately Iran’s problems go way deeper than Ahmadinejad.

Agreed. They go all the way back to a time when MTM was on the the tube--and that gooberhead Carter was in charge. (Another good candidate for "shelling," don't you think?)

332 zombie  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:01:37pm

This is hilarious!

9/11 "Truther" maniacs dress up in Revolutionary War costumes and parade through San Francisco with demented conspiracy-theory signs. In all seriousness. They were so proud of this "action," they posted the pics in various places. They called it the "SF Tea Party" after the "Boston Tea Party." Then they threw a giant 9/11 Commision Report into the bay.

The mind boggles.

The "SF Tea Party" photos.

Indybay photos of the event.

And here's a GREAT 15mb movie of the proceedings.

Here's a TV news report on the event (link may not work due to Charles' custom code):

[Link: cbs5.com...]

None of these photos are by me -- I'm letting the moonbats do my work for me!

333 Roger  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:02:26pm

#326 Cognito

Maybe you're not suspecting but have insider knowledge?

334 Yank in the EU  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:03:41pm

So, Mademoiselle Royal, how did you come to have such extensive contacts with hardcore Islamic terrorists, such as Hezbollah?

How do you feel about their openly genocidal policy towards Israel?

335 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:04:15pm

329 taxfreekiller,

That's my boy! Pointing out the evil lies in the mainstream media. Let's review the text in question.

And then there is the Jacket -- the bland beige windbreaker he wears even for affairs of state, projecting the image he prefers for himself as champion of the dispossessed, a global Everyman.

Well. Actually that's annoyingly true. The writer isn't saying Ahmadinejad is those things, but rather that he tries to project that image to his people. True.


the former engineering professor turned Tehran mayor has become the most voluble, polarizing leader in the Middle East.

Ugh. Also true, darn it. Because if it were a lie, Ahmadinejad would be a quiet leader who brings people together. Is that how you'd describe him?

336 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:10:12pm

#291 Cato the Elder

So, that would be a really little pecker and a really little fig leaf.

337 reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:10:55pm

I guess truth, according to the MSM, is an empty vessel, which makes the usage of the word "voluble" particularly apt.

338 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:16:45pm
IDF Sources: Chief of Staff Closer to Resignation
Hillel Fendel

fookin woot

339 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:17:52pm
340 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:18:44pm

332 Zombie

LOL!
Was Barbra Streisand's husband there?
he's a "truther".

LOL! idiots.

341 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:21:44pm

Mandy Manners -

Al Frankenstein might run for congress in...

wait for it...

Minnesota.


(The way Minnesotans vote - I actually think he stands a chance.
)

342 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:22:11pm

#326 Cognito

You got a link for that story?
Thats not what I read on Times website.

343 HeatherRadish  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:22:29pm

#312 Pro-Bush Canuck

I actually found ONE thing in Islam that I completely agree with. Under Islam abortion is 100% banned (and is considered murder, punishable by death) EXCEPT in cases where the mother's life is directly threatened.

This is the ONE--and only one--area where Muslims are far more humane and morally just than we are. In Canada we murder over 100,000 unborn children per year.

The problem here is as soon as the baby is born, it's acceptable to use it to hide explosives to blow up kafir airplanes. I'm not sure the word "humane" really applies.

344 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:23:13pm

#341 FrogMarch

That fat fuck might run for office?! Ew.

345 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:23:25pm
Bin Laden's deputy to release message about clash between Islam, infidels

An Islamic militant Web site announced Monday that Osama bin Laden's second-in-command would soon release a new message addressing the conflict between Muslims and infidels.
The internet advertisement banner for Egyptian born Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaida's second in command, did not specify when exactly the message would be released, or whether it would be a video, an audiotape or a text. (AP)

OSAMA IS DEAD! he died a pathetic sick old man


Beer & pork chops on me peoples! Let's celebrate

346 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:27:00pm

#345 akak

An Islamic militant terrorist Web site

Fixed that for you.

347 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:27:34pm

342 Hous,

Ha... If I find a link will it really matter? Would it change people's minds?

I'm happy to find it, if you're really interested.

348 USA  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:29:55pm

James Taranto quotes Carter's editorial:

Book reviews in the mainstream media have been written mostly by representatives of Jewish organizations ... and their primary criticism is that the book is anti-Israel. ...

My most troubling experience has been the rejection of my offers to speak, for free, about the book on university campuses with high Jewish enrollment and to answer questions from students and professors.

Then, Taranto sums it up:

So you see, Carter isn't anti-Semitic, regardless of what the Jews who control the media and the universities want you to believe.

Taranto is brilliant. Carter is, well, an anti-Semite.

Best of the Web

349 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:30:51pm

342 Hous,

Here you go:

null

350 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:30:53pm

344 Mandy Manners

Yep. (ew indeed)

351 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:30:55pm

News from Iran:

Islam and Nirvana of Global Caliphate

Radicals are the greatest proponents of Islamic unity and caliphate. The unique method to reach this unison is mesmerising. The formula is simple: first, eliminate any opposing thought and then impose spiritual unity from top down. Definitely unity can only be achieved by force. The last time a universal Islamic Ottoman Caliphate existed under Selim the grim, Mamluks and Saffvids lost their dynasties. Might and conquest was an integral part of previous ideological unity. In an environment where state craft has become part and parcel of the new world, the radicals are selling a dream of nirvana where 'great Islamic unity' will under a caliph achieve the dominance that Islam is missing today. To achieve that, elimination of dissent is the primary object; nothing can be resolved peacefully hence bloodshed is a convenient tool of statecraft.

A quick expanse of the hotspots in the Islamic world reveals a very repulsive and distressful drama unfolding very silently and unnoticeably. Sectarian and political divisions are leading to mass inter-communal terror: the way Hamas and Al-Fatah are ready for a civil war; the manner in which Hezbollah is readying for the new civil war in Lebanon; the approach taken by Gulbadeen Hikmatyar to eliminate the government of brother Pakhtoon Karzai with the aid of his ex-enemy Mullah Omar. In the latter case, Karzai is a Sunni so are the other enemies of Karzai i.e. Taliban. Of course they consider Karzai to be a puppet of the Northern Alliance.

Nearly all of these varied groups, whilst colouring their hands by the blood of their own brethren, talk about the ultimate Caliphate where they all can live peacefully under the tabernacle of the God-entrusted Caliph. Mullah Omar likes the title of Ameer-ul-Momeneen; Hezbollah awaits an even bigger appearance that of 'Imam Ghaib.' Osama would like to be the first rejuvenated Caliph of Islam after the end of the Ottomans Empire, which his forefathers under the guise of 'Arab National Army' and leadership of Lawrence of Arabia, fought to destroy and obliterate.

In 1517, the Ottoman Sultan Selim I defeated the Mamluk Sultanate and made Egypt part of the Ottoman Empire. Al Mutawakkil was captured and transported to Constantinople, where he agreed to formally surrendered the title of Caliph as soon as he dies, as well as its outward emblems, the sword and the mantle of Muhammed (PBUH), to the Ottoman Selim I.

The creation of an Islamic caliphate, or empire, has long formed part of Al-Qaeda's worldview, and it is a vision that seems to have unsettled many in the west. But it will remain just a militants' dream. It is these very people who had torn Caliphate apart when it existed. Before he went into hiding in 2001, Osama bin Laden often talked of deposing Muslim rulers, seen as indebted to Western powers, and abolishing modern state borders to unite all Muslims under a caliphate - an Islamic state where God's word was law ruled over by a caliph, or "successor" to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

What grudge possibly can Arab Osama bin Laden have with the westerners; it was not until 400 years after the Mamluks defeat at the hands of Selim I that under Lawrence of Arabia as the head of the Arab armies they captured Damascus and installed an interim Arab administration, deputizing for King Feisal. So after 400 years of Turkish rule, the Arabs were once again a power to be reckoned with in the contemporary world, though very much below the authority and strength which Lawrence had intended for them. As Lawrence himself put it, the opponents of Arab nationalism had bigger guns, that were all. Is Osama going to re-install Caliphate that his forefathers in the name of 'Arab revolt and nationalism' busted?

source

352 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:31:15pm

Mandy

notice the infidel part! who's inserting the infidel part Al Qaeda or AP?

353 easy  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:35:11pm

Cognito

Taken in context, those phrases make a lot more sense. Some half-wit caption writer took them from the story and plugged them in below the picture. And, voila, we've got an idiotic display from Time.


If that is true there are a lot more half-wits there than just caption writers.

354 Cartman  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:36:13pm

#332 zombie

After having viewed all of your stellar photo-essays, and now having seen the "SF Teabag Party" exposes, I am now more than ever thoroughly convinced that psychotic ET’s live amongst us. There's no other explanation. ;)

/the Mothership hides behind Saturn’s rings

355 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:37:16pm

#350 FrogMarch

LOL! That is hilarious.

356 zenbone  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:37:36pm

#326 Cognito

What you say is most probable and credible.

357 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:38:16pm
A delegation of U.S. senators, led by the Senator John McCain, a possible Republican presidential candidate for 2008, and the self described "Independent Democrat" Joseph Lieberman, met on Monday with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. McCain and Lieberman urged Israel not to be tempted by Syria's recent overtures regarding negotiations.

ok I am gonna figure out this new link thing

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]


fooking woot she works now

Mr McCain you got some esplainin to do if you want to run for POTUS

terrorists good/bad
wiretapping good/bad
swift good/bad

358 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:38:47pm
359 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:39:02pm
360 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:39:09pm
A delegation of U.S. senators, led by the Senator John McCain, a possible Republican presidential candidate for 2008, and the self described "Independent Democrat" Joseph Lieberman, met on Monday with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. McCain and Lieberman urged Israel not to be tempted by Syria's recent overtures regarding negotiations.

ok I am gonna figure out this new link thing

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]


fooking woot she works now

Mr McCain you got some esplainin to do if you want to run for POTUS

terrorists good/bad
wiretapping good/bad
swift good/bad

361 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:39:16pm
362 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:39:45pm
A delegation of U.S. senators, led by the Senator John McCain, a possible Republican presidential candidate for 2008, and the self described "Independent Democrat" Joseph Lieberman, met on Monday with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. McCain and Lieberman urged Israel not to be tempted by Syria's recent overtures regarding negotiations.

ok I am gonna figure out this new link thing

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]


fooking woot she works now

Mr McCain you got some esplainin to do if you want to run for POTUS

terrorists good/bad
wiretapping good/bad
swift good/bad

363 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:39:52pm

#352 akak

Even if alQ released that statement, AP should not have used it.

364 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:40:36pm
365 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:41:05pm
A delegation of U.S. senators, led by the Senator John McCain, a possible Republican presidential candidate for 2008, and the self described "Independent Democrat" Joseph Lieberman, met on Monday with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. McCain and Lieberman urged Israel not to be tempted by Syria's recent overtures regarding negotiations.

ok I am gonna figure out this new link thing

www.haaretz.com

fooking woot she works now.not

Mr McCain you got some esplainin to do if you want to run for POTUS

terrorists good/bad
wiretapping good/bad
swift good/bad

p.s Charles who's kapakahi?

366 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:41:24pm

WTF?

367 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:41:37pm
368 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:41:53pm

#349 cognito


Interesting. I did not know they did another puff piece with him.

I only saw this on the website

[Link: www.time.com...]

Caption on pic #5
"Visiting the city of Ardabil in August. Fashioning himself an Iranian everyman, he rose to power campaigning on economic issues and vowing to fight corruption"

Any insight as to why when they interviewed this nut job they treat him like he is the new Mayor of Iowa City?

369 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:42:28pm

crazy ie shiite

370 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:44:15pm

#347 cognito

Time has no editors?
Or they just let them post anything on the website?

371 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:45:35pm

Did someone slip some LSD into my Dr. Pepper or is the blog acting weird?

372 Cartman  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:46:14pm

Houston, this thread has a problem...

373 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:46:47pm
374 Roger  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:47:02pm

#371 MandyManners, nah, it is working fine. tfk was editing to be clearer:-)

375 tripletdad  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:49:01pm

What? Are they serious?

376 MandyManners  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:50:06pm

373 taxfreekiller

"Media" is plural. "Media are..."

377 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:50:29pm

RoP speading peace in India:

Muslim Militants Threaten to Kill Christian Leader in India, report

NEW DELHI, INDIA (BosNewsLife) -- The leader of a major Christian mission group in India's southern state of Kerala feared for his life Monday, December 18, after an Islamic group reportedly threatened to kill him amid signs of a growing number of attacks against Christian workers in the country.

378 canadianally  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:50:30pm

Cool, tell me this, is there anything that does gauge the wear on the pipe on the pump itself? We have had delays in the past changing boom pipe, not good when there is 200 yd3 scheduled…..

379 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:50:52pm

370 Hous,

I'm not saying Time is a great outfit. I say we should criticize them. But I also say we should make sure we're clear and correct when we do.

373 taxfreekiller,

What now?

380 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:52:19pm
US tentatively endorses Abbas call for new Palestinian elections

why so tentative, hard to choose which terrorist to choose?

381 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:52:26pm

376 Mandy Manners,


373 taxfreekiller

"Media" is plural. "Media are..."

That is the funniest thing I've read all day. Thank you, ma'am. :)

382 shimra  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:52:43pm

Isn't it time for this magazine to be laid to rest? Oh wait, in between articles hailing dictators they'll have insipid articles about the science of happiness or why sex is good for you.

383 canadianally  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:53:27pm

Uh, please ignore my last post. I colossal cut and paste blunder. (Moderator...please delete.)

This is the paste I wanted:

Ugghhh. (Sheepishly grinning.)

384 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:55:37pm
DEBKAfile from Tehran: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s adherents apply strong-arm tactics to falsify election results after early gains by his opponents

December 18, 2006, 9:49 PM (GMT+02:00)

Publication of results was halted after only one-tenth of the votes had been counted in Tehran 60 hours after balloting. The president’s followers, backed by Revolutionary Guards, had stormed the election committees. They used threats and harassment to force the counters to falsify the results and reverse the president’s opponents’ gains. Four prominent Iranians, including two ex-presidents, leveled charges of vote-rigging. One of them is Ahmadinejad’s main rival, Hashem Rafsanjani, whom early results promise a seat in the powerful Assembly of Experts.

Read DEBKAfile’s Exclusive Report from Tehran below.

/sure some have seen but many have not

385 zuckerlilly  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:55:38pm

On the evening of 11 December, artists from all over the world will be gathering at the Oslo Spektrum to help spread the message of peace and celebrate this year's Nobel Peace Prize laureates.

One of those "spreeding the message of peace" will be Yusuf (Islam) aka Cat Stevens:

[Link: nobelpeaceprize.org...]

386 cocacola  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:56:11pm

OT.

Ran across this while browsing, it always makes me stand a little taller.

Patton

387 zuckerlilly  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:56:24pm

*spreading*

388 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 1:57:51pm

#379 cognito

Yes, I get that. And I understand your theory. One goofball put that up on the website, then someone else saw it was stupid and changed it.

However I question why no editor? They just let anyone do that with no one checking what is being posted in their articles?
Or are we dealing with 2 goofballs?

389 PJH  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:11:22pm

AhMAD! AhMAD! A man for our Time.

s/snivelling little twit

390 Cartman  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:11:24pm

#386 cocacola

One of the very best scenes from a movie, of all time. I never tire of it. Ever. Somehow, some way we will find another Patton.

391 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:14:32pm

388 hous,

Magazines' web sites never have the same quality or quantity of oversight as their print product. There is, of course, some measure of it -- thus the removal of the original dumbtastic caption.

The real issue here is that whoever originally ripped the text from the story and placed it in the caption was so clueless that they either didn't take time to read it, or didn't realize how drastically they were changing the context.

392 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:17:05pm
The left goes ballistic when you use Obama's full name. Deceiving the American people, yet again. Debbie Schlussel nails it here

His full name--as by now you have probably heard--is Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Hussein is a Muslim name, which comes from the name of Ali's son--Hussein Ibn Ali. And Obama is named after his late Kenyan father, the late Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., apparently a Muslim.

And while Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not.

Read it all, there's much more and read her comments section.

Then, there are the other items in his background. As best-selling author Scott Turow wrote in Salon, Obama went to a Muslim school for two years in Indonesia. His mother, Anna, married an Indonesian man (like another Muslim, as Indonesia is Muslim-dominated and has the largest population of Muslims of any nation in the world).


-atlasshrugs

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

393 LeonidasofSparta  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:19:24pm

He may soon be the dispossessed in his own country, but hardly the everyman, as elections show that things are not going "his way."

Voluble? More like volatile, or perhaps vomitous or even volatiley vomitrocious.

Still..."nutjob" best describes him.

394 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:21:16pm

283- Frogmarch

Still, it's pathetic and angering, I know. Leftists are encouraged to be rebellious twats;
For no other reason than "They hate daddy".

I thought that's why they are gay.

395 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:25:51pm

oh where's Mama, WriterMom & Mandy when they say:

a woman was forbidden from wearing her hair in the
""shape of a camel's hump."


jihadwatch

/poor jihadis

396 Chris L.  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:27:23pm

Fools. All of them, fools.

397 Cartman  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:28:07pm

I don’t see what the splitting-hairs debate is here. Time’s web version of their rag posted a sickeningly obsequious tribute blurb dedicated to a tyrannical, murderous madman. Some moderate dhimmi at Time’s web publishing division with half a brain recognized the problem, and initiated damage control. The mainstream media is out of control, and everybody with any sense knows it. Opinion has replaced objectivity. I guess we can move on. In a few hours or days, you can rest assured you will see yet another of these journalistic gaffes.

398 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:35:19pm

I do hope this thread is no longer talking about those icky, horrid guns, and certainly not about shallow Brazilian bikini models. I'd prefer to visualize world peace, social justice, and an end to all inequality and those awful SUVs.

What if they gave a war... and nobody came? Mmmm? Ever think of that? It's like, totally deep.

399 mich-again  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:36:18pm

Champion of the dispossessed? Ahmadinejad? Really.. In February 2006 Amnesty International no less, had this to say about Iran's treatment of her own Arab population in the province Khuzestan.

Even where the majority of the local population is Arab, schools are reportedly not allowed to teach through the medium of Arabic; illiteracy rates are reportedly high, especially among Ahwazi Arab women in rural areas ... land expropriation by the Iranian authorities is reportedly so widespread that it appears to amount to a policy aimed at dispossessing Arabs of their traditional lands. This is apparently part of a strategy aimed at the forcible relocation of Arabs to other areas while facilitating the transfer of non-Arabs into Khuzestan and is linked to economic policies such as zero interest loans which are not available to local Arabs.

Champion of the millionaire Mullahs is more accurate. Ahmadinejad isn't a religious fanatic on a quest, and he sure isn't a champion of the dispossessed. He's just your run of the mill power-hungry genocidal fascist demagogue.

400 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:37:22pm

#398 OR

All we are saying

is give peace war a chance

401 Toby Petzold  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:38:30pm

I see that the satanic inversions continue apace.

402 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:38:54pm
Occasional Reader 12/18/2006 04:35PM PST

I do hope this thread is no longer talking about those icky, horrid guns, and certainly not about shallow Brazilian bikini models. I'd prefer to visualize world peace, social justice, and an end to all inequality and those awful SUVs.

What if they gave a war... and nobody came? Mmmm? Ever think of that? It's like, totally deep.

no it has morphed into a discussion about Iranian Republican guards altering election results.

oops...small town no one cares

403 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:39:38pm
404 easy  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:40:27pm

Cognito

The real issue here is that whoever originally ripped the text from the story and placed it in the caption was so clueless that they either didn't take time to read it, or didn't realize how drastically they were changing the context.


And you know this how.

405 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:42:15pm
406 mich-again  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:43:32pm

But the words voluble and polarizing from the caption definitely apply. He's an asshole who won't STFU.

407 mich-again  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:44:52pm

405 OR
from your link..

Flavius Vegetius

Cool rapper name.

408 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:46:07pm

She is scary looking.

409 DesertSage  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:46:15pm
410 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:46:24pm

#407 mich:

You're thinking of his brother, Flav-o-Flavius.

411 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:48:50pm

Puellae aquam portant


[just thought I'd throw that one in there]

412 DesertSage  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:49:45pm

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

I feel so...so...enlightened now!

413 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:52:15pm

#412 Sage:


"from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

Oh, man, I like need all kinds of sh*t, Mr. Marx, so gimme gimme gimme!

414 easy  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:52:22pm

#407 mich-again

Flavius Vegetius
Cool rapper name.


What is cool about flavored vegetables?

415 m  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:52:43pm

#412 DesertSage ~ I'm not able... do for me!
/convenient commie

416 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:53:58pm

#412 DS

Oh no

Suddenly I have no abilities.

but I still get what I need?

Woohoo

Sign me up!

417 m  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:54:30pm

#414 easy
My son would say Korn made the case, but I don't agree.

418 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:54:40pm

I think I just figured out why hippies and liberals love socialism.

419 jeepers  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:55:52pm

Too bad the editors mispelled his name.

It should have been "Monkey in a dinner jacket".

420 LoFlyer  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:57:20pm

Twenty-five years ago I had a subscription to the Times, and actually found it quiet informative. Twenty-five years was about the last time western media had objectivity and was fairly unbiased in their reporting. America has watched in silence as the media slowly shifted from old fashioned passive and objective reporting to the Orwellian BS spouted by reporters who are proud that they are "change the world" activist journalists so they can make the world a better place. The journalists have never stated who the world was going to better for, but from the medias sympathetic coverage of almost any dictator, Sadam Hussein, Both the NK dictators, Stalin, Arafat, Castro, Nassar, Idi Amin, Mao, etc... and the medias lack of support for democracy or even defending the medias right to free speach by broadcasting political editorials against the Islamist fundamentalists. One would tend to believe the media world does not contain reality anymore. Like Pravda our media is stifled by Political correctness to the point where no one can take a media story at face value any more. Like the Soviet Pravada news paper, you now have to read between the lines to ferret out the truth. The vast majority of sane, intelligent, people in this country are realising the media is drinking the kool-aid and expect us to drink it too.

421 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:57:26pm

404 easy,

See post 326. Should make sense, I hope.

- C

422 Roger  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:57:54pm

Communism really sucks for me;-)

423 m  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:58:35pm

#419 jeepers ~ or the ever popular mad midget.

424 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:58:38pm

Hey Charles, that link extractor is way cool!

425 leftout  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:58:40pm

#418 TotallySirius 12/18/2006 04:54PM PST

I think I just figured out why hippies and liberals love socialism.


Is this like a knock, knock joke?
I'm waiting for the punch line.

426 USA  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:58:59pm

30 Plots/1,600 Suspects

The head of Britain's domestic spy agency MI5, Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller, has said her agents are tracking almost 30 terrorist plots involving 1,600 suspects, and that at least five major terror plots had been thwarted since the July 2005 transit bomb attacks in London.

Link

427 DesertSage  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 2:59:10pm

I need more stuff!

428 ting  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:00:27pm

Despite the names being thrown around, ahmadinejad is not your typical run of the mill, fascist (or socialist), nutjob, idiot, or anything else like Saddam, chavez, Milosevic, or that idiot in Zimbabwe. Unfortunately, he is a smart, savvy manipulator of the easily manipulated world media, more along the lines of Castro. Except unlike Castro, he has a whole lot of oil and soon some nukes, and his beard is not as cool. Not looking good for the home team right now.

429 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:02:05pm

#398 Occasional Reader

I do hope this thread is no longer talking about those icky, horrid guns, and certainly not about shallow Brazilian bikini models. I'd prefer to visualize world peace, social justice, and an end to all inequality and those awful SUVs.

LOL
Still thinking about those guns, but the models are all yours.

430 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:03:00pm

Long time with no new subject.

431 m  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:04:41pm

Pffft~ when the home team realizes they are in the game it'll be over quick. We just have to wake them up!

Until then, we are sitting on the sidelines watching the show where ahmadamnjihadi is concerned.

*and someone needs to take out his cheering section*

432 akak  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:04:56pm
USA 12/18/2006 04:58PM PST

30 Plots/1,600 Suspects

The head of Britain's domestic spy agency MI5, Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller, has said her agents are tracking almost 30 terrorist plots involving 1,600 suspects, and that at least five major terror plots had been thwarted since the July 2005 transit bomb attacks in London.

Link

/daily newspapers

433 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:07:29pm

#429 TimeQuake:

Now this video justs gets visions of semi-auto shotguns for Christmas dancing in my head...

434 Cartman  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:07:59pm

#428 ting

Not looking good for the home team right now.

Suck it up. Never count out the home team.

435 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:08:22pm

First rule of guns: "If you think you need a gun when you go someplace, why the hell are you going there?"

That said, for simple home defense, it is hard to beat the old S&W revolvers. The chances of you needing to get off more than 6 shots to stop an intruder are low and if you really want, there are speed loaders around. They are accurate, they are robust. I have been less than impressed with the accuracy of my Glocks. A 357 magnum with anti-personnel ordinance does a pretty effective job of stopping somebody.

In any event, anyone who intends to own a firearm of any sort should take the safety courses that are offered out there and spend some range time. Also make sure that you comply with the law(s) in your area. For better or worse, if you don't some asshole might try to make his career by trying to nail you. And please secure your firearm so that somebody who shouldn't get at it doesn't.

There are also M1 Garands that are still available from the government if you do the proper paperwork, etc. They went from these to the "poodle poppers" because there were too few folks that knew how to shoot, so they had to carry lots of ammo. The .223 is a lot lighter round and you can carry more of them.

436 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:09:00pm

432 akak

... involving 1,600 suspects, ...

They will need many pikes.

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk:80...]

437 leftout  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:09:16pm

#420 LoFlyer 12/18/2006 04:57PM PST

Like the Soviet Pravada news paper, you now have to read between the lines to ferret out the truth. The vast majority of sane, intelligent, people in this country are realising the media is drinking the kool-aid and expect us to drink it too.


LoFlyer, I work with a woman who grew up in the Soviet Union under stalin and Kruchev. She is Jewish and we talk about the incredible bias against Israel that the media has.

I asked her about reading Pravda while growing up and she said it wasn't until the seventies that people realized that Pravda was all lies and propoganda. After that they quit reading it, or aleast quit believing anything Pravda printed.

I think 00's will be remembered as the decade in which people in the America lost all trust in the MSM.

438 LoFlyer  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:10:39pm

#426, The British intelligence services used to be top notch, especially Scottland yard. But stopping 5 major plots and track 30 plots and 1600 suspects is asking for a lot. Someone is going to blow up something really big in England, and then most of the Muslims in england will riot in outrage that the cops have "negatively stereotyped the Muslims" again after the cops announce the suspects. I think England will be the first Euro nation to go down to Islamists. No one has any guns, the government is positively Orwellian with Political Correctness. Unless something changes drastically, we will see Shia law become the law of the land in Bonny England.

439 easy  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:13:53pm

Cognito

I read it when you posted it, and found it myself.

I can understand one assigning benign motives, and even you wanting to. You can understand, I assume, than others can not.

440 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:15:00pm

438 LoFlyer

At one time the government of England REQUIRED that you practice with your longbow.

My how times have changed.

441 EtNorskTroll  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:15:54pm
#433 Occasional Reader 12/18/2006 05:07PM PST

#429 TimeQuake:

Now this video justs gets visions of semi-auto shotguns for Christmas dancing in my head...


What a weapon~!

Now I know what I want for Christmas...

~Norsk Troll

442 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:15:55pm

#435:

I have been less than impressed with the accuracy of my Glocks.

As noted above, I am by no means a firearms expert. That said, I've fired many different Glock models, and never noted any problem with accuracy. And anyway, in a self-defense/home-defense situation, match grade precision is not exactly the top priority. The Glock will quickly put lead into center mass at gunfighting distances, and that's what counts.

In any event, anyone who intends to own a firearm of any sort should take the safety courses that are offered out there and spend some range time.

Nah, just watch lots of Hollywood movies and rap videos, and you'll pick it up.

[kidding]

I would also recommend specifically self-defense shooting classes, in addition to the basic safety classes.

There are also M1 Garands that are still available from the government if you do the proper paperwork, etc.

Actually, forget the government, there are Garands available fairly readily at good gun shops, with no paperwork (or no MORE paperwork) involved. I've considered buying one, but was put off by the $900+ price tag.

443 TotallySirius  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:16:13pm

#425 leftout

See my #416 and DS' #412

444 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:17:03pm

OR

I'm on dial-up but I already like the first 20 seconds of Baretta Xtrema.

445 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:18:03pm

Very late to the thread, but I just thought that in the spirit of Marlon Brando's declining the Oscar for The Godfather back in 1973 because of the treatment of American Indians, I just wanted to announce that I decline Time Magazine's award of Person of The Year because of Time's retch-inducing description of Iranian nutjob Armageddonjihad as "a global everyman," and "champion of the dispossesed."

446 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:20:19pm

445 I decline too.

447 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:20:22pm

My Name is Mud
How long has the "show all links" thing been there?

448 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:21:04pm

OR

The Glock will quickly put lead into center mass at gunfighting distances, and that's what counts.

That statement just made me all weak in the knees.

449 Cartman  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:22:49pm

#435

First rule of guns: "If you think you need a gun when you go someplace, why the hell are you going there?"

I have to disagree. What about the endless crisis situations we read about every day? A holdup at your local bank while you're standing in line at the teller, and the perp tells everyone to get on the floor? Or how 'bout when you pull up to an ATM and are accosted by a bad guy? Or a "road rage" incident, where some punk is seeing red and wants nothing better than to cap you? I see at least one of these stories in the paper every other day. There are countless other real-life scenarios. As my concealed carry instructor (a cop) admonished us at the very beginning of our training - "If you don't intend to carry your firearm in public, to potentially defend yourself and others, than you might want to consider me giving you a refund right now, before we proceed".

450 Paul  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:24:41pm

Just home from the conference in Tehran,a British
rabbi says Holocaust victims got what they deserved.

451 leftout  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:25:17pm

TS, Oops, I get it now. The punchline is - Because they wouldn't have to work for a living.

452 LoFlyer  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:25:47pm

437 Lefty, I gave up on the media for good in 2004, Every positive economic growth news was negatively spun, The press's refusal to investigate the justifiable allegations by the Swift boat guys against Kerry. The Mapes/Rather attempted hatched job against Bush's military record using Forged documents. I watched and participated as Charles and the rest of the blogs put nails in the careers of Mapes and Rather. It gave me a great pleasure to watch Rather and all the other lefty anchors, stare at me at 2 PM the morning after the election. They all looked like the stuffing had been beat out of them. Fox was announcing Bush the winner, and Rather knew he was out of a job. That was when I gave up on American media.

453 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:29:29pm

#449 Cartman:

Or a "road rage" incident, where some punk is seeing red and wants nothing better than to cap you?

I just heard a (true, apparently) story about this. Two guys hopped up on God-knows-what drug attempted to ram a third guy's car on the highway--purely out of mean spite--and then chased him for several miles. The intended victim finally pulled up to his destination, and got out, trying to make into the building for cover. The two bad guys screeched to a stop and jumped out, one of them with a handgun.

Bad. Idea.

The intended victim's destination was, in fact, a gun range, where he was going to give a class. In his car, he had a loaded, fully-automatic Ruger Mini-14. Which he proceeded to deploy.

End result: Two very dead bad guys.

454 leftout  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:30:04pm
Ahron Cohen, an Orthodox Jew from Greater Manchester and a leading member of the anti-Zionist Neturei Karta movement, sparked new controversy on his return from Tehran by suggesting that God would have saved the victims of the Nazis if they had deserved to live.


Truely, truely creepy to the bone.

455 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:31:49pm

Just another MSM bias "dot" to connect.

Ever notice how some people, even after having ALL the dots connected STILL refuse to see the picture?

In nature, seemingly random and isolated events frequently DO reveal a pattern over Time. Pun intended.

456 easy  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:32:24pm

My #439
I should have said:

I can understand one assigning benign motives, and even you wanting to. You can understand, I assume, than that others can will not.
457 Racer X  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:32:37pm
#447 Killgore Trout

Primus Sucks Rocks!

458 Cartman  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:34:46pm

My Christmas present to myself for occasional CCW:
Image: sw642cntl.jpeg

S&W Airweight .38 Special +P

/I'm fired up
/promise to cease further gun posts, for now ;)

459 Loflyer  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:36:41pm

I have pump Remington riot gun with an 18 inch barrel, and folding stock. Kicks like a mule, I prefer firing it without the stock extended, taking the recoil with my wrists rather than my shoulder. I am using double ought 2 3/4" cartridges to keep the kick down. Unless the semi-auto shotgun has a buffer to reduce recoil, you might as well stick with a pump. The time it takes to pull the gun barrel down after firing gives you time to pump another round into the chamber. The click of loading a pump shot gun is as intimidating as the actual blast of firing the thing.

460 TimeQuake  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:39:24pm

#458 Cartman

Nice looking revolver. How much, do you mind me asking?

461 Occasional Reader  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:41:14pm

#459:

Unless the semi-auto shotgun has a buffer to reduce recoil

All semi-auto shotguns tend to reduce recoil.

But there's nothin' wrong with a pump gun (which is what I have, too). And you're right that the racking sound can prevent a gunfight right then and there.

Nighty night, all.

462 Cartman  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 3:51:25pm

#460 Time

OK...I'll break my promise. ;)

MSRP is around $500, but I'm getting mine fresh out of the box at my local dealer for $375 and change. The 642 weighs only 15 ounces unloaded. It's a "belly gun", for close-quarters defensive purposes. Packs a punch, but also a fair amount of recoil with +P loads, as it sports an alloy frame. I've heard nothing but good things about it, so it's a go. Can't beat a Smith & Wesson!

463 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 4:03:08pm

456 easy,

I'm not assigning or assuming anything. People wondered where the odd language in the caption came from. I suspected I knew, so I checked -- sure enough, there it was.

If you want to assume there was some devious motive behind it, involving several people just love Ahmadinejad, then go for it. But sometimes it's good to apply Occam's Razor.

464 Merovign  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 4:04:11pm

#435 Shr_Nfr

First rule of guns: "If you think you need a gun when you go someplace, why the hell are you going there?"

Wow, no one has ever been surprised by an attack?

/sarc

The first rule of a gunfight is indeed to be somewhere else.

The second rule is: You don't know where all the gunfights are going to be held until after they happen.

Unless you have an advanced schedule, if so, please share.

465 Merovign  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 4:22:52pm

Should have been a wry smiley at the end of that.

466 jopa416  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 4:49:22pm

"17 minion 12/18/2006 09:57AM PST

This shows how much of a tabloid they really are."

Exactly right!

Time, Newsweek, 60 Minutes...they are on the same level as The National Enquirer or Star Magazine. The people who contribute stories to these rags should be charged with fraud for calling themselves "News" reporters.

467 WriterMom  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 4:54:30pm

#395 akak

Wachooo talking about Willis?

468 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 5:45:41pm

#463 cognito

Having a sibling who worked for Time as an editor in DC for 5 years and having spent time with said siblings co-workers in said town of DC and Georgetown, Occam's Razor would lead me to believe it was a smart ass at Time who did it on purpose.

But you can go with your theory if you would like.

469 fixman88  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 5:52:20pm

#76 Ed Mahmoud:

I came this close to a big multi-color post about possible Dallas to San Antonio Christmas Eve/Christmas Ice Storm Disaster, however, last weeks debacle on my part, where I posted multi color and big (except at Gulf Coast Pundit, which doesn't support fun HTML) warning of a possible Washington to Boston Christmas Eve snowstorm and *White Christmas*, which now looks more like mostly a rain event for the coastal cities, I will wait another day before getting y'all fired up about a tree snapping, power outage inducing ice and sleet storm for Dallas and Waco, possibly as far South and Southest as San Antonio and College Station.

I live in Tyler. Dr. Bob Peters (on KTBB) says that one of the weather models predicts possible winter precipitation. He "doesn't bet on it." Which means neither do I. *sigh* Keep in mind that they don't call him "The Weather Wizard" for nothing. I've trusted him my whole life; when the weather goes to hell (tornadoes, etc.), the first thing I do is turn on the radio to KTBB. Even before the NOAA Weather Radio. One thing I've learned is if he says that there is "abundant moisture in the vertical air column" take your umbrella! Are you a meteorologist yourself? I've wished it would snow here ever since it snowed a foot way back in 1984. Unfortunately, it would seem to require an act of God for it to happen again...

470 strandedsf  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 6:58:19pm

Well, I see Orwell has already been mentioned five times in this thread, so my first impulse on reading the post is confirmed.

Doublespeak, Newspeak, whatever you want to call it. Why not just come out as an Anti-American, anti-Semitic mouthpeace for International Jihad, Time? And stay on that side for good, so we'll know who's in our crosshairs. That rag's relevance is so approaching zero.

Bastards.

471 BabbaZee  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:25:27pm

This goes out to you,
Ah ~ mahdi ~ nejad

472 BabbaZee  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 7:30:21pm

"21st Century Schizoid Man"

[King Crimson]


Cat's foot iron claw
Neuro-surgeons scream for more
At paranoia's poison door.
Twenty first century schizoid man.

Blood rack barbed wire
Polititians' funeral pyre
Innocents raped with napalm fire
Twenty first century schizoid man

Twenty first century
Twenty first century
Twenty first century
Twenty first century schizoid man

Death seed blind man's greed
Poets' starving children bleed
Nothing he's got he really needs
Twenty first century schizoid man.

Twenty first century
Twenty first century schizoid man
Twenty first century schizoid man

Welcome to the twenty first century

473 Cognito  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 8:05:37pm

468 Hous,

Hey, it's not a pissing contest. We're all friends. And my theory comes from experience somewhat closer, even, than a sibling's.

474 pegcity  Mon, Dec 18, 2006 10:03:50pm

Times time is up.

Face it bitch ass time magazine the net has rendered all "news magazines" a thing of the past.

Hell let them keep putting there rags out, less money for them to spend on anything worth while, its not like anyone cares what time magazine has to say anymore.

475 Ledger1  Tue, Dec 19, 2006 12:34:32am

Time’s Taqiyya.

476 Bard  Tue, Dec 19, 2006 3:52:32am

#23 Ed

Yes, but Man of the Year refers to influence and doesn't need positive connotations. Can't deny Hitler was influential.

477 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 19, 2006 4:30:18am
478 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 19, 2006 4:31:38am
479 Treesarie  Tue, Dec 19, 2006 5:48:49am

They had their 15 most notable people, one of them being Katie Couric. Katie Couric is so over. Could someone kindly tell her.

480 SnakeSpit  Tue, Dec 19, 2006 6:30:06am

Yesterday I made a nice little comment to the editors at Time. They got back to me this morning with a nice little form answer.
___
Your glorification of that swine is most disgusting. I'll never read
>one more page of your rag.
>Ron Gideon
>
> ___

Dear Reader:

Thank you for writing. We welcome timely, insightful reactions to
material we have published, and we can assure you that your
observations found an attentive audience among the editors. Should
your comments be selected for the column, you will be notified in
advance of publication. Again, our thanks for letting us hear from
you. We hope that you will write again should you discover something
of particular interest in the news or in our reporting of it.

Best wishes.

TIME Letters
___
I doubt that I'll be selected for their column

481 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Dec 19, 2006 8:21:27am

#473 Cognito

Who said it is a pissing contest?
You are in the biz as you have stated before. I am fully aware of the pack mentality of the media, expecially around the beltway.
You have posted many times on how we may have a misguided view of the media.
My contention is when you have a 90-95% voting block for one party you have a problem if this block is supposedly the independent media.

482 Cognito  Tue, Dec 19, 2006 11:08:10am

481 hous,

I agree with all that -- the pack mentality, the leftist bloc, all of it.


477 taxfreekiller,

For you Cognito, a "straight razor" will do just fine as far as tfk can tell.

Such a threat might actually bother me, if you were real.

483 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 19, 2006 11:29:51am

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