this is unbelivable!

Is it really unbelivable? Rally?

Really?

The MSM will do whatever they can to make the US look like loosers in the war on Terrorism and Islamofacisits.

Someone get in there and help notblue in the comments section. He's/She's trying his/her best.
I have to go to the airport.

Why do I have no difficulty visualising these bastards dancing in the streets and handing out candy?

Some good news, if true: Saddam to be executed within 30 days

The MSM might as well issue a fatwa against us and get it over with.

relentless self-loathing suicidal pacifist propaganda

rotating title

I wonder how long it took for the death toll of WWII to exceed that of pearl harbor, and if anyone cared. Probably a lot less than 5 years.

I hope they wait until after Kwanzaa to execute Saddam. Wouldn't want to take from the holiday.

#10 Gil 12/26/2006 08:16AM PST

I wonder how long it took for the death toll of WWII to exceed that of pearl harbor, and if anyone cared. Probably a lot less than 5 years.

More men died taking Iwo Jima then all the lives lost in Iraq during the 3 and a half years. We have no stomach for a tough war.

What is really unbelievable is that CBS neglected to point out the "fact" this conflict is a "QUAGMIRE unlike any seen since VIET NAM!"

They'll lose points at the next "We hate America" convention.

I also enjoyed the "Blood for Oil" crowd's comments after the "story". Tools.

Islamic fighters retreat in Somalia

liberals dont care about facts

liberals dont care about history

liberals only care about what will help them get power. the power to run all of our lives.

for the last 60 years they have been lying to kids in school, filling their minds with their versions of history.

Surprised?

Undermine
Undermine
Undermine

The media and the democrats set out to undermine our efforts before the invasion of Iraq. It's all they can do.

#14 J.D. 12/26/2006 08:18AM PST

OH YEA

Islamic fighters retreat in Somalia

GO ETHIOPIA!

Communists
Begging (for)
Surrender

#5 JD

Register with CBS?

Odds are whatever I have to say to those traitors, CBS and the lll that populates that comment section, will be very quickly censored and/or removed.

I'd have about as much luck with that as I would at kkkos or du.

MY
OWN
BATTLEFIELDS,
R

It is a very, very good thing that the MSM of today wasn't around during WWII: the number of people that died in WWII far surpassed the number that died in Pearl Harbor, but our Nation had to pay that price for freedom as well.

It may very well be that winning the War caused by funda-'mental' Islamists will come down to us winning the war with the MSM, first.

~Norsk Troll

#12 Elric66

We have no stomach for a tough war

.

You mean people actually acknowledge there is a war? Now that is a surprise.

MSM Hits Bottom, Keeps Digging

From link:

(CBS/AP) Fighters loyal to anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr were engaged in clashes with U.S. forces in and near Sadr City, an official in al- Sadr's office said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

Well, they're going back to that one, again. I guess it's better than inventing some non-existent source.

AFP recycles quagmire story

#20 Render
You can always try.
You'd be a good one to do it!

~to the airport now~

#6 Robert

I picture them with the story all written, edited, polished, and properly laced with Bush-hatred, as they drink coffee and play cards all night while a big counter on the wall is rigged with an alarm set to go off at 2,974. BING! Hooray! It happened! All right, who was he? Milestone Man! They rush to the computer terminal and click SUBMIT.

I think that arguing about body counts is useless. I had hoped we learned that lesson from Vietnam. Back then, the Left used to sneer at the idea that body counts meant anything. Now they do their own body counts to try to make their own political points.

My view is that it's a red herring, no matter who does it. If the cause is worth fighting for, then even taking high casualties is worth it; if the cause is not worth fighting for, then even taking low casualties isn't worth it.

Whether the Iraq War is worth fighting doesn't depend on whether the number of Americans killed is 1,000 or 3,000 or 10,000. There's no calculus like that. The antiwar Left opposed the war before it started (back when U.S. casualties were still zero). And the rising death toll in Iraq lately hasn't caused die-hard supporters of the war to change their minds either.

Whether the Iraq War is winnable does depend to some degree on the cost in blood; at some point the strain on our military and on American morale will become unsustainable. But that wasn't the argument presented in this news article.

It's easy to figure out why they obsess on this number. From now on, the left can now crow, "George Bush is responsible for more American deaths than the terrorists."

That's the ultimate basis for all of this. The left is very patient at their work. This is the cornerstone on which they will try to build part of their '08 campaign.

Islamists encouraged...
Al Qaeda militant urges to keep up jihad

A man believed to be a top al Qaeda militant who escaped from a US airbase in Afghanistan last year said in a statement that the tide had turned against the West but urged Muslims to keep up their holy war.
...
"By God's grace we are seeing a noticeable retreat and crumbling of the armies of the Crusaders but we should differentiate between joy and optimism and believing that the enemy has put down its arms and surrendered," he wrote.

Not only are the numbers unrelated to each other, but consider the phrasing:

Who claimed the 2,983 people in the 9/11 attacks? The Grim Reaper? Santa Claus? The fairy godmother?

The use of the passive voice deempahsizes the deaths, and makes no mention of who is responsible. Fact check reveals that it was the Islamic terrorist group al Qaeda that not only claimed responsibility, but repeatedly uses it in propaganda clips (see backgrounds of multiple videos produces by AQ). That group has been at war with the US for years before the US struck back against the Taliban in Afgahnistan that were harboring AQ.

If the Leftists in the media had their way and were as strident back during WWII as they are now, they would have forced the US to quit the war after suffering casualties in early 1942 - as the US would have had more deaths in fighting than were killed at Pearl Harbor. Indeed, more US service members were killed in a single day of single battles during WWII than were killed at Pearl.

And while we're on the subject, WWII began September 1, 1939 and didn't end until August 1945, which means the conflict was just about six years in length. The US direct involvement didn't begin until 12/7/1941, but even there, the US was taking casualties well before that date - the sinking of the Reuben James for example.

Wargammer2005, one of their favorite re-writes. We talked to the Soviets. Did the Soviets give up because President Reagan said 'please' or did they give up because they were afraid that he'd unleash the hounds? Remember all the gnashing of teeth and garment tearing about he's running us into debt for the next three generations? The bill was paid by the middle '90's.

#22 abc-m-xyz 12/26/2006 08:22AM PST

#12 Elric66

We have no stomach for a tough war
.

You mean people actually acknowledge there is a war? Now that is a surprise.

Its a situation, not a war. So says Pelosi

Sent in MY email to AP, berating them without any cursing or ad hominem attack...

Just the FAX, Ma'am, just the fax!

Charles will watch if there are any noticeable ripples from (our concerted) email campaign.

In the meantime, AP sets up another 3-5 America-loathing, twisted, ghoulish stories and looks at us with dead, soulless eyes, asking why WE are "so naive..."

#14 J.D.

It's good news that they're in retreat and they can't let up the pressure on the Islamic courts.

12 Elric66

We the media, with their relentless self-loathing suicidal pacifist propaganda, have no stomach for a tough war.

/reads better now, imo

All reporting of our casualties contain the phrase "grim milestone" much like any reference to Cindy Sheehan must include the disclaimer "mother of a slain soldier." So far the casualties have been compared to a grim milestone of 1K, 2K, 3K, exceeding those killed in the Battle for PS 22 playgorund, and approaching the grim milestone of rap musicians nominated for a Grammy but slain before their last album was released.
Is there such a thing a lighthearted milestone?

#33 Elric66

Its a situation, not a war. So says Pelosi

I would think that Pelosi is representative of a large portion of Americans.

#31 lawhawk: Actually, Sir, WWII can be said to have begun years earlier, with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria...

UPDATE: let's turn this "Grim Milestone" into AP's "Grim Millstone" round AP's collective neck!

No quarter!

How many were killed at Pearl Harbor? And how many at Hiroshima? Was the war with Japan therefore unjustified?

#37 Just_A_Grunt: Lazy journalism at its finest. They probably made a grisly discovery, too.

So predictable.
These sick bastards love these milestones. Every time one of are boys get killed they sound almost happy that they are reaching some milestone or another.

#29 Copperhead Ridge

It's easy to figure out why they obsess on this number. From now on, the left can now crow, "George Bush is responsible for more American deaths than the terrorists."

Yep. They even put any civilians killed in Iraq BY the terrorist in the Bush column. It is without reason.

Reason? We don't need no stinkin reason! /lefties

Anybody else remember the old Mad™ magazine that used to have the fill in the blank stories? I think that is what our print media now use to file their stories.

#30 Killgore Trout

Islamists encouraged...
Al Qaeda militant urges to keep up jihad

Well they do have half of American and most of the msm telling them they are winning~ everyone wants to join the winning team. *spit*

#38 abc-m-xyz 12/26/2006 08:30AM PST

#33 Elric66

Its a situation, not a war. So says Pelosi

I would think that Pelosi is representative of a large portion of Americans.

25 percent :-)

World War II (a.k.a. "FDR's War") was a "quagmire" because the US lost more lives than were killed during the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Add in the "botched" D-Day invasion, the "poorly equipped" troops in tanks that would explode when hit with a single enemy round, the "intelligence failure" to anticipate hedgerows after landing on shore, and you had an undoubted "quagmire"!

All this so FDR and his cronies could get rich off the deaths of "loser" / "nazi" US troops (as John Kerry and Dick Durbin describe them).

Doesn't everyone know warfare is an exact science, and throughout history every war has had fewer US casualties than OIF?
 

We lost 58,000 troops in Vietnam when JFK started a war there...after Vietnam attacked us.

Oh, wait...Vietnam didn't attack us.

#45 Just_A_Grunt

Mad-Libs

/ appropriate moniker

Can any of the oil industry types tell me if there is any truth in this.

Iran is suffering a staggering decline in revenue from its oil exports, and if the trend continues income could virtually disappear by 2015, according to a US report.

OT:Koskidz debate St. Pancake...
The Rachel Corrie Center in Rafah, Palestine.

...Dr. Bill Dienst, writing from Rafah, Occupied Gaza, in Live from Palestine on December 22, 2006, reported information about the new Rachel Corrie Center now open in Rafah, Gaza dedicated to the mental health needs of Palestinian children and families. Rachel Corrie died in Rafah as a volunteer peace activist for the International Solidarity Movement back in 2003.

The Jooos are sooo sneaky, they can occupy even after withdrawal.

They’ve really crossed a line this time.

And what if they have? Big deal. They've been crossing lines now for ages, and all that happens is that the line keeps getting moved, bit by bit, a little further away from reason.

It's darn frustrating.

And the most frustrating part about it is that I personally have no clue about how to stop it from happening!

Arrrgh.

But once again my biggest beef is all of the other news organizations that use the AP stories and never bother to read the story associated with the headline. You will see this headline written just as it is on every single news web site, both local and national now so the propaganda spreads like kudzu in the south. Anyboy want to do a search on the first part of the headline and count the number of unique 'hits' it gets?

I’ll bet they had this story ready for print a year ago hoping this happens really fast so they can say “YOU SEE”.
A bunch of narcissistic two year olds the whole lot of them.

Appeasement Pus*** (AP)...another day, another 'I hate America' article.

OT1st Muslim congressman thrills crowd in Dearborn

December 26, 2006
Newly elected Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn.

Speaking in Dearborn late Sunday night, the first Muslim elected to Congress told a cheering crowd of Muslims they should remain steadfast in their faith and push for justice.

"You can't back down. You can't chicken out. You can't be afraid. You got to have faith in Allah, and you've got to stand up and be a real Muslim," Detroit native Keith Ellison said to loud applause.

Many in the crowd replied "Allahu akbar" -- God is great...
[Link: www.freep.com...]
/ He "thrills" the crowd?

ec marm - thread is up on it now

The left's mindset in this case is an example of their twisted logic. It goes like this: After 9/11 we suffered a blow to our pride, therefore the capitalists and the Bushies and the religious right had to get revenge. That's because capitalists and Bushies and the religious right are all about revenge, a primitive, bestial emotion that liberals and lefties have evolved far beyond. Having killed at least 3000 Muslims we should have quit a couple of years ago, having evened the scales. Now almost 3000 American soldiers are dead, when will the cavemen of the right realize that it's an absurd endless game of killing and revenge? If only we did what the peacenicks want and embrace our enemies, kiss their asses, and convert to Islam, then there'd be peace on earth. And what could be more important than peace?

#33 Elric66

Its a situation, not a war. So says Pelosi

Myself and the family were watching The Dog Whisperer after Christmas dinner yesterday, and one of the featured cases of canine chicanery was the yapdog owned by Jeanie Buss, Vice-President of Operations (and, obviously, daughter of owner Jerry Buss) of the LA Lakers.

Upon being asked how she and the dog came together, Jeanie said something like "I sent the call out to the Universe that I was looking for a dog, believing the right one would find me. My friend's dog had this litter, and I knew it was a sign." Sounds like a hard core new-ager, like I was as a disaffected youth. Pelosi comes off like this too, as in, "We'll just send out a call for peace to the Universe, and the divine spark within the oppressed multitudes will arise to quell their weapons."

YHWH help us.

W. R. Hearst, New York Journal, N.Y.: "Everything is quiet. There is no trouble here. There will be no war. I wish to return. "Remington."

"Remington, Havana: "Please remain. You furnish the pictures, and I'll furnish the war. "W. R. Hearst."

Note - of dubious authenticity. But a perfect example of how none of this is anything new.

#47 Elric66

25 percent :-)

I would put it around 75%.

Desertsage, all we knew back then was the Cuban missile crises and Khruschev pounding his shoe at the UN telling us that they would bury us. The re-writers of history tell you nowadays that he was only kidding. We had a policy of containment of communism whenever and wherever we could. Korea was a cut and run which has resulted in nukes in North Korea today. Vietnam was another cut and run and out of shear spite congress cut off all funding and wouldn't even let us use our air force to help them when they were being over run. That resulted in millions of boat people voting with their feet. If we had treated as wars those conflicts and police actions who's to say that communism wouldn't have collapsed sooner. It probably wouldn't have dragged on until Reagan told them to take down that wall.

I sent the call out to the Universe that I was looking for a dog, believing the right one would find me.

Isn't that what Bill Clinton said when asked how he met Hillary?

#64 john RC Ummm...you mean, Reagan wasn't kidding when he said,"Mr. Gorbachev, take down this wall" ? huh. Go figure. Guess my high school history teacher was wrong.

#65 coulterclone

Isn't that what Bill Clinton said when asked how he met Hillary?

LOL

:)

GRIM MILESTONE NEWS!

I'm waiting for the MSM to report that the fatalities for this category have exceeded the number killed on 9-11!
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Oh, did I forget to mention the category? The number of motorcyclists killed in accidents in 2003.

(source:[Link: www.nsc.org...]

OUR NATION'S ROADS ARE A QUAGMIRE FOR RIDERS! PULL OFF THE ROADS, NOW!

No blood for Harleys/ Suzukis /Yahamas/...

/never mind

#12 Elric66:

We have no stomach for a tough war.

Nonsense.

The American people were willing to take high casualties in World War II because the Government had promised them total victory and the unconditional surrender of our enemies, Japan and Germany. And we were making slow but visible and steady progress toward that end: In the space of 3 years since Pearl Harbor, the Allies had liberated North Africa and France, pushed Germany out of Russia, and taken most of the Pacific back from Japan. The final destruction of Germany was less than 6 months away, and the final destruction of Japan was less than 9 months away.

The Iraq War isn't like that. After 3 years of fighting, it's turned out to be more like World War I--a long, bloody, inconclusive stalemate in which neither side can decisively defeat the other. Unlike World War II, nobody is claiming that the total defeat of the enemy in Iraq is less than a year away.

Over the long haul, that type of war proves extremely corrosive to morale--a legacy of World War I was deep cynicism and rampant pacifism in both Britain and France, which hurt them later on when responding to the greater threat posed by Hitler.

Bush has stopped talking about "victory." Most recently, he admitted to the press that "We're not winning, we're not losing." Something that the American public had long suspected but which Bush hadn't confirmed till now.

And the American people should not be required to have "the stomach" for THAT type of war. We should never again have fought a World War I type war or a Vietnam type war. Only wars where we are committed to total victory.

as justification for their relentless self-loathing suicidal pacifist propaganda

What a crock of shit, Charles.

I could just as truthfully say that your diatribe is nothing but

justification for your relentless boastful genocidal,war-mongering propaganda

and it would be just as true as your statement.

Hmm
seems Gordon
fell down
the moral equivalency
well again
We will not be sending Lassie.

hhmmm... warmongering- suicidal... which should we choose?

/If you have to think about it, you're dead.

#73 m
Props to you on Lassie and the well, LOL

Shut. Up. Gordon.

And Gordon, if you can give one link to Charles calling for genocide I'll kiss your ass.

It's never happened dumbass.

I wonder how long it took for the death toll of WWII to exceed that of pearl harbor, and if anyone cared. Probably a lot less than 5 years.

Well, one of the first offensive actions by the war monger Roosevelt was to attack the French in North Africa. That showed the Japanese who was boss.

#75 zulubaby

Shut. Up. Gordon.

How are you doing? Did you know Gordon has a webcam?

Gordon .. don't you have some pine needles to sweep up, wrapping paper to throw away .. thank you notes to write? Get going. Be gone.

Don't miss Gordon's greatest hit, when he ridiculed Charles for not believing terrorist claims:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

as justification for their relentless self-loathing suicidal pacifist propaganda

Oh, is this the standard Lefty "The media isn't really biased" statement of the day?

I heard Janeane Garofalo say this many years ago, so it must be true.

ec marm, howareyou? :-)

Hilarious! He's going to be very upset when he sees that.

Oh Gordon...

Before you run away mad, again...

Do you suppose you could tell us all what you did or said on HuffingtonPost to get called a troll?

While you're at it, perhaps you could explain this pathological need of yours to show the readers of LGF just how stupid you really are, over and over again...

CRACK
TAXI,
R

Hello, Zulubaby.

Any comments on the latest stories from East Jerusalem that the municipal government is enforcing de facto apartheid laws by refusing to grant non-Jews building permits and then tearing down their "illegal" houses?

#82 zulubaby
So so. A little touch of Seasonal affective disorder. Nice to see you're back. I expect an invasion of trolls for the next week so I'm glad to see you're around to swat 'em.

Oh, is this the standard Lefty "The media isn't really biased" statement of the day?

I heard Janeane Garofalo say this many years ago, so it must be true.

The left actually believes there is a conservative bias to MSM. Not kidding here. A month or two ago I listened into left wing radio's media bias program. It was interesting. Their evidence was that very specific stories weren't reported. No repeating patterns (like "grim milestone") or identical actions by Clinton and Bush and how differently they were reported. The other big thing was the conspiracy theory on keeping advertisors away from Al Franken's show.

#74 BabbaZee ~ hahaha

It does fit so ... well... LOL

"Only wars where we are committed to total victory."

You could say that we had total victory in Iraq about 2 weeks after we started in 2003. Defining victory as creating a decent democracy in a land where blood lust is paramount, where warring factions have no interest in peace or civil order, may just raising the bar too high. We have in the past successfully liberated millions of people who essentially appreciated the liberation we brought them. If the Iraqis have no interst in government which isn't either religious fascism or a brutal insane dictator, who are we to tell them they should be? But I refuse to join the ranks of the cynics and lefties who delight in our inability to bring stability to Iraq. The impulse to liberate Iraq and bring democracy was admirable and those who ridicule it are neither liberal nor generous.

The MSM and the looney left just love body
counts as long as it has to do with anything
anti-US.
Were these same people counting bodies during
the Stalin or Mao purges? Pol Pot?
Course not since those were pragmatic moves
in their eyes.

Fuck off, Gordon.

--

ec marm, nice to see you too :-)

And now Agence France Presse is recycling Iraq “quagmire” stories.

Mere jelousy from a country that never won a war on their own.

LOL, most people get smarter as they get older. Not our Gordon -- he gets dumber by the hour.

85 Gordon

Provide a link.

Gordon is smart

He read Jimmy Carter's book all by himself. Without any help from his mother.

#85 Gordon

Gaza militants fire five rockets towards Israel Any comments?

I have one~

Since then, more than 50 rockets have been fired into Israel, and one Palestinian has been killed and at least three wounded by Israeli fire in Gaza. But the truce has generally held amid hopes that it can help restart the dormant peace process.

Is that like a little bit pregnant?

FrogMarch, LOL!

Sorry LGF slavish followers of Charles - your emperor does indeed have no clothes when he makes ridiculous bilious statements like the one I cited.

Linky, please?

Wait the democrats won Congress I thought the war was over according to the press ?

Did they and the democrats LIE to us ?

zulubaby

;)

I found Gordon's myspace page. It even has his picture.

Gordon, I feel compelled to chime in. You certainly seem like a nasty little s***. You'll always wonder if I meant shit, or snot.

#103 Tasty Beverage
I love it!

They’ve really crossed a line this time.

No, they're in freefall toward the bottom level of Dante's hell; the level reserved for traitors.

It is just that we had no idea it was so far down.

GORDON.

You hypocritical chickenshit.

Post #84 is directed to you.

Either provide a link to your post #85, answer the question of post #85, or STFU.

DUCT
TAPE,
R

#94 Frog March:

[Link: www.trocaire.org...]

Meanwhile, a grim milestone is about to be passed at lgf. The number of Gordon's posts will exceed the number killed in New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia on September 11, 2001.*

Gordon
The Conscience of LGF
Registered lizardoid since: 06/15/04 01:34:59 PM
No. of comments posted (since July 26, 2004): 2,902

/* parodying Associated Press

I've never posted on Huffington - I've only visited the site once or twice. Must be another Gordon.

re 111 ec mamm:

Gordon only you can prevent this grim milestone.

Another link on house demolitions now:

[Link: www.indybay.org...]

Here's one not in East Jerusalem - just an entire Bedouin village:

[Link: www.icahd.org...]

Dear Gordon,

After hours of research I can confirm that the diameter of your head is much smaller than the diameter of Uranus.

Best regards,

#112

Concerning your banishment from Huffpoo. Uh-huh, sure...

===

About your lefty link...

You really aren't that bright, are you? Ahmed Musa Dari is the local Hamas leader.

Maybe if he'd stop killing Jews, he, and his pet Israeli lefties, might find his house stays upright a bit longer?

NICE
TRY,
R

Of course, Zulubaby, you know all about the benefits of apartheid, and I'm sure you are cheering the bulldozers on.

By the way, I don't think Israel is an apartheid state like Jimmy Carter does.

But I also don't think Israel is perfect, like Charles and other Israelophiles do.

SHADDUP SULLY

114

You are tisk tisk-ing defensive demounting of masonry when the other side murders?

Now Gordon.

#116 Render:
Now it's your turn to provide a link.

Try "Ahmed Musa Dari" Hamas on Google.

Bah.

2973 = The toll of 26 minutes of the battle of stalingrad.
Random stat no less meaningful than that offered by the MSM

110 Gordon

I've been looking around for more information. The Dari family seems to get their house knocked down every couple of years. Seems odd.

By the way, I don't think Israel is an apartheid state like Jimmy Carter does.

Carter denies it, too. "Some of my best friends...", you know.

#120 Gordon ~ oh no. You still have the ball sugar~ I served one up waaay back at #76.

Put up or shut up.

#125 m: Apparently mockery is beyond your comprehension. You are as unlikely to find Charles openly calling for genocide as you are to find the AP engaging in "relentless self-loathing suicidal ..." whatever the rest of Charles' nonsenical statement was.

Must be another Gordon.

Indeed...

And this one's "snotty nodroG"

They're like the seven dwarves - each has a defining personality quirk. Let's call them the "seven dweebs".

Bedtime storytime at the nodroG household.

Now let's watch nodroG get all bent out of shape because of mockery...

#115 incanus
so THAT is why the head in question fits so easily up the butt! LOL

126 Gordon

#125 m: Apparently mockery is beyond your comprehension. You are as unlikely to find Charles openly calling for genocide as you are to find the AP engaging in "relentless self-loathing suicidal ..." whatever the rest of Charles' nonsenical statement was.

Oh. So he's not genocidal. Must have been that other Gordon that has claimed he is an advocate of genocide. Many times. Ok.

AP is openly pro-terrorist. Which is suicidal because sharia will not allow freedom of the press.

#125 m

Don't hold your breath for a direct answer...

Sadly, because of the deceit of the MSM, many, many more civilians will die.

Then they'll have to start their body count all over again.

Of course the two numbers are not related. But why might people think they are? Could it be because a relentless propaganda campaign has been waged by the administration to connect the two?

When Bush was asked directly if Saddam had anything to do with planning 9/11, he gave a one word answer- "no". This was at a press conference with Blair, maybe 2 years ago. But if you've heard this once, you've heard it a million times: "We were attcked on 9/11. Now Iraq is the central front in the WOT..." etc. This is a standard propaganda technique- mentioning two unrelated things in the same breath constantly until they are related in the public mind. It's not by accident that 60% of the country still thinks Saddam had something to do with 9/11, last numbers I saw.

So this is not an example of "media bias" so much as an example of "reaping what you sow". The two things are either related or they are not- you can't have it both ways.

The troll runs and hides, and the sock puppet appears...

#133 Earth2moonbat ~ don't worry. LOL

Speaking of sock puppets, I'm still waiting for a link justifying the claim that Mr. Dari is a Mamas member.

Q-burn

"We were attcked on 9/11. Now Iraq is the central front in the WOT..." etc.
...
So this is not an example of "media bias" so much as an example of "reaping what you sow". The two things are either related or they are not- you can't have it both ways.

Bullshit. You can acknowledge that they are related without using the totals to go "na na na boo boo".

Earth2moonbat: just for the record- nope. I disagree with about 90% of what Gordon writes- including in this thread. I'm nobody's sock puppet.

"Mammas"? As in "Mammas and Pappas"?

As long as the paleos use their homes as cover for tunnels to smuggle weapons, death and destruction- their homes are going to get flattened.

hey gorddo

weare all still waiting for those kerry records you promised us a while back.

could you give us a link to them?

test

Part 1:

Translation of Mayor Lupolianski's Letter:

I received your letter and through you will answer all those who wrote to me, rabbis, Diaspora Jews and other religious leaders regarding the demolition of the home of Ahmed Dari.
I am astonished that people of such caliber decided to distribute petitions, create chaos, to create a new reality and to legitimize the illegal acts of criminals.
Taking a one sided position without checking the facts causes people of Ahmed Dari's ilk to continue to do whatever they fancy and to ignore all of the existing laws and ordinances regarding planning and building.

It is highly unlikely that these same rabbis and clergy would appeal to us with complaints and requests to legalize crimes that they would certainly strongly protest were they to be carried out where they live.

Would they be forgiving towards illegal building in Central Park in New York, next to the Eifel Tower in Paris or close to Big Ben in London? If this was taking place elsewhere there would immediately be a great cry. Would anyone think to do such a terrible deed?

The fact that such personalities were involved in building the home does not change its legal status. Jerusalem, like any city, can not permit unchecked illegal building. In this matter East and West Jerusalem are as one.
It is therefore incumbent on the Municipality and all relevant bodies to take action against all those who violate the law. In the case of your client, we are speaking of an illegal structure that was built outside the boundaries of the municipal plan for the village of Issawiyah. This is an area in which there is absolutely no way that people will be allowed to build in any manner.

It is not possible to retroactively legalize building violations as is possible in certain other instances with certain techniques where there is a building plan. Thus, the claim you raise that Ahmed Dari unsuccessfully tried to get a permit for years is not relevant.

On 8.12.05 when the Dari family began to build their illegal home and when they were still in the early stages of building and had only built a supporting wall and floor, a judicial stop work order was issued at the request of the Jerusalem Municipality.

Ahmed Dari chose to blatantly ignore the order against him and continued building illegally even though he had been warned that it was absolutely forbidden to build in this area. In light of this and with no choice, the Municipality was forced on 21.12.05 to issue a demolition order for the structure.
They were able to appeal this demolition order.

On 4.1.06 the Dari family appealed to the court to ask for an order preventing the carrying out of the demolition order. The court discussed this request with all of its facets and did not think it appropriate to approve the request.
ON 6.3.06 the court ruled that a building violation had taken place and that the demolition order should be carried out on 5.7.06 as determined.
It is important to emphasize the Dari family scorned the court and completely ignored its decisions. Not only did they not stop building the home as the court ordered, they completed it and moved in violation of the law.
In light of all of the above, I do not see any reason to change the decision of the court in the matter of Ahmed Dari, who was warned ahead of time regarding the consequences of continued building.

CONTINUED,
R

Part 2:

Regretably, I cannot provide a direct link to the site that describes Ahmed Musa Dari (AKA Abu Sufian) as a local HAMAS leader, as it is a subscription site.

But I can leave you with this…

Abu Sufian (AKA Ahmed Musa Dari) became handicapped and unable to work because?

Abu Sufian (AKA Ahmed Musa Dari) managed to accumulate the funds to illegally build his house three different times how?

Pretty resourceful for a man who claims to be unable to work in an area where most of the jobs available are with the so-called Palestinian security forces.

Abu Sufian, (AKA Ahmed Musa Dari) built his house, without permits, in a Jewish area, it was legally demolished. He built a second home in a Jewish area, again without a permit, it too was demolished. He then built a third home, right in the path of the anti-terrorist wall, even as the construction of that wall was proceeding.
Gee, maybe Mr. Sufian, or Mr. Dari, might have considered building his home someplace else? Legally?

Maybe the self-hating Rabbi’s who keep protecting Ahmed Dari can explain why Mr. Dari’s third home was built where and when it was?

KAPOS,
R

folks, as fun as it is, we all have to be grown up about this and recognize that the person who keeps coming around and learning nothing is special.

Now that Gordon has slipped into the well again, can someone please give me a few more nails so i can nail the lid shut on the opening, and then cover that with a cement block or five, and then park a truck on it, and cover the truck in rubble from the towers, and erect a flagpole on top of it with a Gadsen flag underneath an American flag?

ok, so i'm gonna need more than a few nails, but i'm betting i'd have more than enough donors.

quick Charles, put the cap on the well and let's cover it with some 3000 psi concrete. I'll buy.

Saving Pvt. Ryan - The flamethrower in the bunker scene.

"Let 'em burn!"

JUDEN,
R

#98 Gordon,

Sorry LGF slavish followers of Charles - your emperor does indeed have no clothes when he makes ridiculous bilious statements like the one I cited.

Better to see Charles butt naked than to greet Gordon in a tux. Gordon, you are so lost I don't know where to begin. Perhaps we should just keep it simple and shoot you.

I would be interested to find out if those who so stoutly defend the right of the municipal leaders of Jerusalem to so arbitrarily and capriciously set up zoning laws that destroy private property rights -

feel the same way when U.S. governments are accused by private property rights advocates of arbitrary eminent domain actions, and restrictive zoning laws.

It certainly appears that the city fathers of Jerusalem put those weakfish from New London (the notorious Kelo decision) to shame!

The accusation, monkey-head, is that the Jerusalem zoning laws are taking away the private property rights of non-Jewish citizens of Jerusalem.

Why do you right-wingers find it so easy to believe sinister motives for U.S. cities such as New London, but not Israeli cities such as Jerusalem.

I'm sure the Mayor of New London could serve up the same kind of self-serving pap that the Mayor of Jerusalem has done over the Dari house demolition.

Buzz! 159

Be nice to the special person.

He has a learning disability.

#31 lawhawk --- World War II actually began in 1931 with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. So, World War II actually lasted from the Summer of 1931 to the Summer of 1946, approximately 15 years and change.

Since 9/11 terror deaths are totally unrelated
to Iraqi battle deaths, why on the far-left MSM
at least mention OTHER battle deaths.

For example, those one September 17, 1862.

On that day 4,519 Americans, from both the
Union and the Confederacy, were killed.

President Lincoln would note some 14 months
later at Gettysburg that these brave men
"gave the last full measure of devotion"
to their country.

Our honored dead in Iraq and Afghanistan have
shown that same devotion. It is telling that
the far-left and the MSM are incapable of
understanding such heroic sacrifice.

#155 Gordon 12/26/2006 12:58PM PST

I would be interested to find out if those who so stoutly defend the right of the municipal leaders of Jerusalem to so arbitrarily and capriciously set up zoning laws that destroy private property rights -

feel the same way when U.S. governments are accused by private property rights advocates of arbitrary eminent domain actions, and restrictive zoning laws.

Hey, Gordon?

The Constitution isn't a suicide pact, dude...

...neither are the papers that form the basis for law & order in Israel.

Is Israel perfect? Certainly not. I can think of at least three things that I could cite to prove my point--but that's not the point.

A Nation has every right to defend itself. If those maniacal Palestinians want to fire rockets into a sovereign Nation like Israel, then Israel has every right to defend itself BY WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY.

When the US government is stealing people's property, it's not to defend our Nation...it's about money.

These are two totally different and distinct ideas.

Of course, you'll never admit this, but these are the facts.

In parting, I'd like to invite you purchase a bumper sticker from a company that I'm about to launch. The Company's name is: Future Sticker. At my company, you can buy bumper stickers that come from the future. I would recommend this one for you: "I don't believe in the Palestinian Holocaust, either"

~Norsk Troll

Still lying, Gordon?

For those who claim "NO LINK BETWEEN 9/11 AND IRAQ!", think again:

Saddam wanted Osama to go to Iraq.

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#161 6patrick6: THANK YOU, Sir!

You elaborated on my post at #39...

FIFTEEN YEARS! and today we're in the 29th year of this part of the Islamo-FreeWorld War!

Darkness vs Light Wars

The World Wars of Hatred vs Love

The Misogynist Wars

The Porky-Porkless Wars

...what short title REALLY characterises this long battle? (and "WW4" is NOT allowed!)