Re-writing history to suit themselves.

HAM FOR ALL MY MEN!

take out all the non-combat deaths
and try that moral relativism math again,
Al-AP.

/same difference, they're all little eichmanns anyway

Of course, they don't mention that our troops are VOLUNTEERS who are fighting islamofascism; whereas the victime of 9/11 were civilians going about their business when we were attacked.

Why is it we tolerate the AP? Who made them the boss of us?

NEWSPEAK DICTIONARY

Charles - you need an AP counter right underneath that Reuters counter on the homepage.

It would be interesting to see if they follow your articles overtly.

Three hours to THREE YEARS...is that some sort of Million Man Math ?

#8 Can I hear an AMEN!

Registration was open for about thirty seconds a minute ago...did anybody catch that? I ried to email my buddy,,,then it was closed.

What gives?

Ahh, the lead paragraph has merely been re-worded a little, and bumped to paragraph five:

The U.S. military on Tuesday announced the deaths of six more American soldiers, pushing the U.S. military death toll since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003 to at least 2,978 — five more than the number killed in the Sept. 11 attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

The milestone came with the deaths of...

#3 seejanemom

Chef: Children, uh… What's the one thing that's more sacred to a man than anything else in the world?

Stan: Uh, bicycles?

Cartman: Ham?

I have a HOLE the AP can go down UP!

Confetti and balloons and Kos...and Jr. Sulzberger's office.

Quagmire!

#13 It IS HAM. I was pissed that the WHITE HOUSE published the Camp David Christmas Lunch menu. NO HAM---TURKEY.

I AM OUTRAGED! WHere is there sense of National pride?

In both cases the people doing the killing are the same, why don't they mention that?

Democratic leaders have said the Bush administration has gotten the U.S. bogged down in Iraq when there was no evidence of links to the Sept. 11 attacks, detracting from efforts against al-Qaida and other terrorist groups.

Or in the original newspeak, Democratic leaders have said: La-la-la-la, I can't hear you.

pimf: at Kos

JAMMIE---

You are NOT NOT NOT allowed to say QUAGMIRE without the qualifier, WEEPING CARBUNCULUS QUAGMIRE.

See? Doesn't that sound much more Hollywood? Wouldn't the AP be pleased?

Version One:

'BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military death toll in Iraq has reached 2,974, one more than the number of deaths in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, according to an Associated Press count on Tuesday.'

Version Two:

'BAGHDAD, Iraq - At least 36 Iraqis died Tuesday in bombings, officials said, including a coordinated strike that killed 25 in western Baghdad. Separately, the deaths of six U.S. soldiers pushed the American toll beyond the number of victims in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.'

. The Associated Press got caught pointing and counting.

No need to superimpose - Version One might start pulsating all by itself because it is radioactive.

I guess it just too hard to write
Islamo fascists kill over 6,000 Americans in 5 years.

I think it is ironic. The AP, no doubt, was salivating for weeks, waiting to use the grim milestone headline and lead. I can picture them yelling "Yippie" when the day comes. They use their "grim milestone" lead - and get stomped, then remove it. The ivory tower honchos and their serfs are scratching their heads again.

Can you picture if the press did this in World War II? Would they have compared the loss of civilians to the Nazis, before the USA entered the war, with the numbers of our troops who were lost? I.don't.think.so.

The AP is not the only one "reveling" in this story. The talking pig, Michael Moore, put out a cheerful little holiday message on Christmas Eve, anticipating just such a story from the LSM. Not too much of a stretch of the imagination to think he had prior knowledge of the latest talking points. He probably wrote them. *spit* *gag*

Some Christmas Pudding from Michael Moore

Dear Friends,

What better way to get the Christmas dinner conversation going than with some fun facts!

This is the first of THREE Christmases left under President George W. Bush. THREE.

Ok, that's not too cheery. Let me try again.

If the daily death toll continues at this rate, sometime on Christmas Day a U.S. soldier will die in Iraq and, with his or her death, more U.S. troops will have been killed in Iraq than all the people lost on 9/11 (2,973).

On second thought, skip the politics for a day and just enjoy the pie.

Merry Christmas to each of you, and peace on earth, wherever we Americans have dropped in.

#24---Ouch!

LOVE IT!

Well the 2,973 of my fellow citizens murdered on 9-11-2001;

their murders still enrages me

and this is not over

no it is not over by a long shot

and the AP article for all its treason and sedition

still

it reminds me

of

what we have to do.

100% of the American soldiers killed in action were volunteers who knew the risks before they signed up. How many of the victims on September 11, 2001 signed up to be killed by Muslim terrorists?

I love our military men and women and appreciate their many sacrifices.

And I loathe the leftist press that try to equate dissimilar situations to fit their biased agenda.

#27--- QUESTION SOMEBODY ANSWER NOW---

Does "LSM" stand for "LAME STREAM MEDIA"? If it does, I like it! If it doesn't---IT SHOULD!

before we crucify the AP, here is a piece that is surprisingly anti-idiotarian:

Parents of slain soldiers go to Iraq, discover they are held up as martyrs (in a good way) by the local iraqi's, one kurdish mother "Your son is now my son"

#32--HUNKY HUSBAND said this was very common...and it warmed my heart. If death can be heartwarming...

Re-written but not deleted.

30 Omega2012

Yes, they knew the risks and still they signed up.

That alone makes them better than the harpies of the media, infinitely better.

This must be from the anti-AP.
Hanky Alert!

The Johnsons were never able to go to Sadr City, the rough-and-tumble Baghdad neighborhood where Justin Johnson was killed by a roadside bomb in April 2004.

Far from the strife of Baghdad and other violent regions, the group's members said they nevertheless found a cause worth fighting for in Arbil.

There, they said, their sons were treated as liberators and the parents welcomed as heroes.

As guests of the Kurdistan Regional Government, the parents visited a parade of politicians and government ministers who thanked them for their visit — and their sacrifice.

Many told the families their sons were martyrs, a term that at first seemed offensive to some.

"Until I understood the meaning of what a martyr was, it was kind of a slap in the face," Jan said. "But they weren't comparing them to suicide bombers. I realized they were comparing them to heroes."

They traveled to outlying villages and were invited to sip tea with Kurdish dignitaries. One told them of his painstaking efforts to find mass graves and evidence of Iraqi abuse. Another took them on a tour of a prison camp that was transformed into a rose garden after Hussein's grip on the region waned.

Wherever they traveled, fellow mother Debra Argel Bastian of Lompoc, Calif., handed out wallet-sized photos of her son, Derek Argel, who was killed in a May 2005 plane crash near the Iranian border.

One mother tucked the photo into a framed picture of her two sons and husband, who had also been killed during Saddam's rule. "Now your son is my son," the woman told Bastian.

She broke down crying.

"I needed to make that trip," said Bastian, who traveled with her husband, Todd. "All of us were very, very disappointed in the media coverage over the war. I had so many avenues that were telling me different, that there were good things happening in Iraq, that they were just reporting the bomb of the day."

#30 Omega2012

How many of the victims on September 11, 2001 signed up to be killed by Muslim terrorists?

Yes, but don't forget that our Great Chief Sitting Bullshit (aka Ward Churchill, aka university professor, and loved by the left) said THEY DESERVED IT.

So, for the islamofascists-commies axis of evil, of which Ap is the loudspeaker, they count AS Soldiers.

27 Clairevoyant1

Michael Moore is twisted. I truly believe he is a sociopath. From his piece on 9/12/2001:

Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes' destination of California -- these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!

Why kill them?

Source: Death Downtown

#27 Clairevoyant 1

".. and just enjoy the pie."

That would be Michael the Moore's focus.

Fisk: Carter Approaching Sainthood

Most Fiskable.

OT

Dr. Mengele meets A Brave New Wold

Its a brief piece of poison from one of the most revered men of Science. No wonder things have, in so many ways, gone so very wrong.

Either he isn't able to connect the dots or he's being coy.

One note: in the magazine itself, his comments about why anti-semetic remarks are necessary include the moral equivocation that they should be allowed to be said against the Irish too.

For me, this is really scary stuff.

Toujours Pret

38 cattt

The extreme far left, dangerous potential murderers they are.

Charles, you need to put the AP counter back up.

:)

OT - Is this guy asking for a fatwa, or what?

Friday pig races next to a mosque in Katy, Texas - Just another example of those dumb, racist redneck Americans.

/or maybe overbearing, supremacist Islamobots?

As has been previously pointed out, hitting September 11th numbers in Iraq is... irrelevant.

Thanks just_a_grunt, for...

I guess it just too hard to write
Islamo fascists kill over 6,000 Americans in 5 years.

Actually I think it's more like Islamo fascists kill... what... 10,000 Americans in 25 years?
Let's not forget the World Trade Center bombing, the Cole, Berlin, Khobar, Beirut, Leon Klinghoffer, Daniel Pearl, and on and on and on. Let's NEVER let the nutjobs or their friends in the anti-American media get away with calling this an "Iraq war."
Iraq is a small front and the piddling 4 year US involvement there is a short term engagement in a very big, very long war.

#29 Ojoe . . .

Well the 2,973 of my fellow citizens murdered on 9-11-2001;

their murders still enrages me

and this is not over

no it is not over by a long shot

I feel the same way. Nine-eleven was an atrocity that must be punished, and the perpetrators destroyed.

I'm looking at YOU, Saudi Arabia, funder of Wahhabists and terrorists everywhere (along with your buddies, the Mad Mullahs).

Tunisia 1942 - (AP) The U.S. military death toll in North Africa has reached 2,974, one more than the number of deaths in the December 7, 1941 attacks in the United States, according to an Associated Press count on Tuesday.

Republican critics of President Roosevelt have
charged that there was no connection between the Vichy France government and the 12-7 attacks, which some had backing by Jewish and British interests to bring the U.S. into the civil war raging in Europe...

#35 Ojoe . . .

the harpies of the media

Fabulous term. I plan to steal it. Thank you in advance.

47 Prometha

Yes. Saudi Arabia. they should pay. And Iran. Or we will be looking over our shoulder forever; it is no way to be free. And after we crushed Japan we monkeyed with their religion. Exactly the same thing needs to happen now or Civilization will be worn away to nothing.

#41 Danger Close

FROM YOUR LINK:

No wonder the guy gets to a lot of wrong points: scroll down and you will find:

I've seen no evidence of a god, so I'm not going to think about one.

He has seen no evidence.
This frigging Universe with zillions of galaxies and stars and the wonders of Life and Nature have come out from NOTHING.

Now that is rational ! From nothing, bang !, comes out a Universe.
It happens to me all the time: I put a hand in my empty pocket and bang ! three thousand dollars !

FRIGGING NIHILISTS can only get to frigging idiocy.

And how long did it take for the U.S. combat + accident deaths in WWII to surpass the deaths at Pearl Harbor? That would have been a really short war had we thrown in the towel at that point.

Also, all of Western Europe would have been left to Nazi rule just like some would like to consign all of the Middle East to Islamofascist rule by "redeploying" to Okinawa (an island that we would not be able to redeploy to had we given up on WWII when more soldiers were killed in the war than at Pearl Harbor).

49 Prometha

Yes but I took it from the poem about restoring the ship Constitution,

...or the harpies of the shore shall pick the Eagle of the Sea...

by Oliver Wendell Holmes I believe.

I have to quit now and get some work done.

Happy St. Stephen's Day.

OT - Now, if only the Germans would at least get this serious about REAL violence from Neo-Nazis and Islamofascists.

#51 P-L

It happens to me all the time: I put a hand in my empty pocket and bang ! three thousand dollars !

I wish that would happen to me! LOL!

What got me was the intellectual veneer over his virulent anti-semetism coupled with the morbid, creepy fascination for the Jooos.

Sick, Sick to the point of Evil.

Sometimes, the Indians can be just a bunch of preachy goody-two-shoes.

OT - See? See? James P. Pinkerton is a right-wing religious theocrat!

41 danger close

From your link to the James Watson article:

Never fight bigger boys or dogs.

That would mean "don't fight" for me, being female and feline. I've bested both boys and dogs, tyvm.

Should you be allowed to make an anti-Semitic remark? Yes, because some anti-Semitism is justified. Just like some feeling is justified. If you can't be criticized, that's very dangerous.

Jee zus! He's anti-Semitic too. My first science project was building a double helix. I'm shocked. Another hero has feet of clay.

went to a meeting on genetic enhancement in New York City, and a few of us were for it. The rest were appalled. To just a defensive reaction of people on the top—they're afraid someone else might be on the top. But what if you were dumb? Wouldn't it be nice to have a child who would let you get out of the slums? If you could make people with ten-point-higher IQs, we'd probably have fewer wars.

I'm shocked. I didn't know Dr. James Watson was Borg.

To all those in the non-US portion of the Anglosphere (England, Wales, Australia, Canada, etc.): Happy Boxing Day!

I can understand the anger over the original AP story -- lining up the dead in Iraq, as against the dead of Sept. 11 -- but why are people angry that the AP put out a revised copy of the story?

#55 Danger Close

What got me was the intellectual veneer over his virulent anti-semitism coupled with the morbid, creepy fascination for the Jooos.

I have noticed that this position is common in nihilist circles: we must consider that the Jews represent the oldest (at least, in the common conception that forgets the Ancient Religion of the Goddess and Zoroastrianism) and strongest THEIST Thought STILL ALIVE AND BLOOMING TODAY:
this is something ALIEN for the nihilists, it's everything they FEAR (and , as you rightly noticed, at the same time they are fascinated by it).

#58 Cattt

That would mean "don't fight" for me, being female and feline. I've bested both boys and dogs, tyvm.

I think you'd appreciate Snotrag. She's sent a rottweiler yelping before.

60 Cognito

We're not angry. We are sneering at them for their initial out-of-touch idiocy followed by their blatant hypocracy.

#58 Cattt

Those responsible downplay it to a large degree because of the "bad publicity" garnered by the Eugenics Movement after WW2, but Watson And Crick's work was a direct outgrowth of that sel-same Eugenics Movement

By the way, Germany's racial hygene laws were patterened after those on the books in California.

Margaret Sanger was an early advocate of concentration camps for the unfit.

I could go on: the Pioneer Fund, one of the oldest mutual funds in the United States is a major source of funds for the contiuation of the study of eugenics ( Source: the WSJ). They don't call it eugenics of course, its Life Sciences or someting innocuous sounding like that.

#60 Cognito

but why are people angry that the AP put out a revised copy of the story?

What was it that you LLLs were saying about Watergate? It's not the crime, it's the coverup?

burka bank robbers caught.

[Link: www.northpeel.com...]

Ghoulish WaPost features a front page story about Senator McCain's 18-year old Marine son who may be put in harm's way if he goes to Iraq.

Perhaps the AP can write a piece detailing the millions of people freed in Iraq and Afghanistan by the Americans and allies.

jewellry robbers

pimf

'Duty, Honor, Country,' 'Patriotism,' 'The Nation-State' ...all hopelessly trite, quaint and anachronistic ideas in the estimation of Ms Carroll, her minions and her peers.

"These concepts are dangerous," they cry. "If we'd quit all the flag-waving and fighting and put more stock in the U.N., why, the world would be a more peaceful place."

Mebbe so. Once the world-wide caliphate is established, the violence will be localized to the floggings, amputations and hangings in the town square. No more armies and air forces, just the ubiquitous 'cultural police.'

Sweet, huh?

#58 Cattt

That would mean "don't fight" for me, being female and feline. I've bested both boys and dogs, tyvm.

Folks, believe her. Years ago, she had probably...mmmhh, let's see...three posts here and she attacked the scary P-L !

:-)))

/and I steal her code all the time in revenge...

Getting OT but this sort of shit happens when you start looking on the web for information. I was doing a search for images of UN Peacekeepers in Lebanon and besides getting a picture of a kid holding a rifle, there was also this news story from the BBC.

On Friday, Syria and Lebanon backed a Hezbollah demand that Israel withdraw from the Shebaa farms area before the UN declares the Israeli pullout complete.

The disputed plateau is situated on Lebanon's borders with Syria but has been occupied by Israel since 1967.

Unconfirmed reports from UN sources and eyewitnesses say Israel has begun removing some of its remaining positions in the area.

Lebanon claims the land, saying it is the last piece of its territory still in Israeli hands.

Israel says it took the farmland from Syria in the 1967 Six-Day War and its fate should be the subject of bilateral negotiations with Damascus.

It has warned it will hold Damascus and Beirut responsible for any attacks by guerrillas who have taken control of the area vacated by Israel forces.

But what got my attention was the story's date:
Saturday, 27 May, 2000, 22:36 GMT 23:36 UK
UN bolsters Lebanon border

Original search using ask dot com

Okay back to your regular topic.

#61 P-L

Not to take anything away from your cogent observations however: I belive that they are channeling Stan.

What's the name of the Law that postulates that the simplist anwer is most often the correct one?

#59 PBC

Jolly good Boxing Day to you too, old man!

#62 Earth2moonbat

Oh, yes. High paw!

Sphynx at work - danger Will Robinson!

And of course, there is the equalizer effect.

#74 danger close

What's the name of the Law that postulates that the simplist anwer is most often the correct one?

I think you may be thinking of Occam's Razor.

Or the Sword of Thargola, if you prefer (twenty points to the first person who can tell me where that reference comes from).

If you can't see the point of this thread, don't bother buying foodstuffs at the grocery; garbage will do fine for you.

Toujours Pret

72 Poitiers-Lepanto

I did? :) Heh. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread, and all that.

Imagine 60 some years ago

if

as of today, US Military Deaths in the US led allied occupation of Germany now exceed the US casualties in the Dec 7 Japanese airstrikes on American war machine forces at Pearl Harbor...

WWII may have had a different outcome

#74 Danger Close

What's the name of the Law that postulates that the simplist anwer is most often the correct one?

Occam's razor.

I don't "believe" in a second, evil god.
Humans can do/think/inspire all the evil they need to get lost.

But of course you answer has philosophical and historical ground.

#77 TQC

I thinks your thinking about what I'm thinking is probably, in all likelyhood, correct.

I would like to offer a dissenting view, just to break the groupthink and stimulate some discussion. It comes from Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review (the premier conservative magazine in the U.S.):

The mainstream media is biased, arrogant, prone to stultifying group-think and much more fallible than its exalted self-image allows it to admit. It also, however, can be right, and this is most confounding to conservatives.

In Iraq, the media's biases happen to fit the circumstances. Being primed to consider any military conflict a quagmire and another Vietnam is a drawback when covering a successful U.S. military intervention, but not necessarily in Iraq. Most of the pessimistic warnings from the mainstream media have turned out to be right -- that the initial invasion would be the easy part, that seeming turning points (the capture of Saddam, the elections, the killing of Zarqawi) were illusory, that the country was dissolving into a civil war.

Partly because he felt it necessary to counteract the pessimism of the media, President Bush accentuated the positive for far too long...

In their distrust of the mainstream media, their defensiveness over President Bush and the war, and their understandable urge to buck up the nation's will, many conservatives lost touch with reality on Iraq. They thought that they were contributing to our success, but they were only helping to forestall a cold look at conditions there and the change in strategy and tactics that would be dictated by it.

I agree.

We conservatives should have taken the role of offering Bush constructive criticism and helpful suggestions on the war, not just being cheerleaders for it.

Especially the GOP-led Congress. The fact that they were in the same party as Bush doesn't mean they had to shut their mouths and accept bad decisions (insufficient force, letting al-Sadr go free, etc.). They too should have been watchdogs over the Bush war policy, not just cheerleaders for it.

I've always believed it's better to take constructive criticism from your friends, then wait till you get slammed by your enemies.

What an absolutely petty little post, but par for the course here. Just another right wing fascist moron blaming everyone but themselves for the War in Iraq.

74 danger close

In case your question wasn't rhetorical - Occam's Razor.

#76 Cattt

Don't forget the KGB kitties...

Bah.

#84 Jakester

What an absolutely petty little post, but par for the course here. Just another right wing fascist moron blaming everyone but themselves for the War in Iraq.

Who's side are you on son?
Don't you love your country?

So why not get on our side, and come on in for the big win

Trollfest 2006!

Thanks Cattt. It wasn't rhetorical question, it was a mind cramp.

What an absolutely petty little post, but par for the course here. Just another right wing fascist moron blaming everyone but themselves for the War in Iraq.

Boy, all the pathetic trolls are out this week. Like I surmised earlier today, the high schools and colleges are off this week, and the putrid little zeros are bored.

I recall seeing that, on average, 250 Americans died per day during WWII.

Therefore, if AP/Reuters/all the other networks weren't biased, I would have expected that a similar story would have been published by December 28, 1941. Definitely by July 1942.

But I am not going to bother to look for it.

#79 Cattt

I did? :) Heh. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread, and all that.

Nope nope, it was correct, it was a time of great rage and you rightly criticized my permanently over-angry tone.

/I still steal your code anyway !

//but I will not use

ö

of course, that's copyrighted

///OOOPS !

blaming everyone but themselves for the War in Iraq.

That sort of tangential thinking can get someone a script for Haldol most rickety-tick.

Grim milestone?

Consider New York City:

2003 - 934 murders
2004 - 889 murders
2005 - 874 murders
2006 - N/A.

[Link: www.disastercenter.com...]

If we estimate a conservative 800 murders in New York City for 2006, then we sum up their murders from 2003 to 2006 (inclusive),...

We get about 3,497 murders in NYC from 2003 to 2006.

Clearly we need James A. Traitor III to swiftly lead our police forces out of NYC.

#92 tfk

all AP is LIE

That pretty well sums it up.

OT but still ghoulish: democrat senator elect for Virginia Jim Webb (who ghoulishly wore his adult son's Iraq combat boots around his neck while campaigning for office to remind folks his son was serving in Iraq), joked while putting his newborn into the car seat--that he may have helped John McCain's presidential prospects by beating former Virginia senator George Allen.

Shamelessly using grown soldiers' elected profession to win office for oneself: priceless

#95 BlackPajamas

We get about 3,497 murders in NYC from 2003 to 2006.

It's a quagmire !
Redeploy the NYPD to Kansas !
We need to open negotiations with the Gangs, the Mob and MS13 !

Send Kerry in !
Telly Dhimmi to write a book !

Orwell was a visionary. Wish that we had been smart enough to listen to him and act. And we'll be saying the same thing about islam in 20 years...how we'll wish we would have gotten off our butts, stepped from behind these dark, electronic screens and actually done something about it when we had the chance.

what to do? don't ask me. ask yourselves. when someone decides to take action, wake me up will ya. I'll be glad to tow the line... but it's going to take more than twenty of us...

God save our Country and our Liberty. May we all decide that the time to fight is now.

now.

now.

now.

A lot of our failings in Iraq are directly related to not understanding our enemy. What is happening in Iraq now is purely Iraqi and no longer has anything to do with our military operations. Before we went into Iraq the average citizen of the West had not a clue as to what a Sunni or Shiite was much less Wahabbism and all of the various other versions of the death cult called Islam.
Well the world has gotten one hell of an education in the ensuing years since Al Queda openly made good on their declaration of war against civilization. What is still so perplexing to me, and others, is how in the light of all of this overwhelming evidence of just how brutal and totalarism this movement wrapped in the sheep clothings of religion is, are there still people out there who will continue to defend these murderers. It is not up to members of true religions to defend Muslims, it is up to them. Ever notice how quiet they remain, except when they are 'insulted', while allowing Jews, Christians, Buddhists. and even atheists to defend them? Most adherents of Islam are proud of their 'martyr' culture.
The bottom line, if you are Muslim you love to shed blood, whether your own, as evidenced by some of their religious practices, or that of those around you. I just pray that like the Aztecs you also become extinct.

86 Earth2moonbat

And we must not forget Jack, the cat of the year, who treed a bear.

#98 P-L

Redeploy the NYPD to Kansas !

Wait just a cotton-pickin' minute there buster! We got enough problems here in Kansas without adding to it!

Gotta go now, Mrs. Danger is having a chemo treatment and I'm supposed to be running errands before picking her up around 3:00pm CST.

Take care everybody.

Toujours Pret

I partially redact my prior statement,

The crime rates at this link [Link: www.disastercenter.com...] were for the entire State of New York.

But, we can still say that the murder rate in Hillary Clinton's state, between 2003 and 2006 exceeds the rate at which our troops have died in Iraq.

100 JA Grunt..

Well the world has gotten one hell of an education in the ensuing years since Al Queda openly made good on their declaration of war against civilization. What is still so perplexing to me, and others, is how in the light of all of this overwhelming evidence of just how brutal and totalitarianism this movement wrapped in the sheep clothings of religion is, are there still people out there who will continue to defend these murderers. It is not up to members of true religions to defend Muslims, it is up to them. Ever notice how quiet they remain, except when they are 'insulted', while allowing Jews, Christians, Buddhists. and even atheists to defend them? Most adherents of Islam are proud of their 'martyr' culture.

One hell of a comment...yo

I have already plagiarized it...thank you...

#41 danger close

Wow, great to know we have great thinkers like James Watson out there.

Is it just me or is this article not in English?

I've told them they can publish everything except the structure of the will tell me if I'm predisposed to Alzheimer's.

On the other hand, if global warming is in any way preventable and it's likely to come, not doing something be irresponsible to the future of our society.

The whole Larry Summers thing, to say that men strange and their strangest quality is their ability to understand mathematics—you're not supposed to even think it.

turned against the left wing because they don't like genetics, because genetics implies that sometimes in life we fail we have bad genes.

Whether being nonreligious or a Democrat more important, I can't tell you.

I haven't my ability to know what a crappy sentence is. [lol]

Some other statements that caught my attention:

New ideas require new facts.

Do they? I'm trying to figure out whether that's true or not. They may require new evidence, but facts are, well, facts.

And Frist isn't an innocent bystander, with his own family fortune—hundreds of millions. The piece of shit, I hate him.

Ted Kennedy is presumably exempt from hatred. Does his family have a fortune? I can't recall.

#62 Earth2moonbat

You named that cute kitty "Snotrag"?!

Of course I love my country. But unlike the fascist morons here< I take responsibility for my actions and don't walk around like some retarded bully with a 100lb chip on my shoulder; turning petty crap like this into some mortal insult. The fascist morons here equate patriotism with agreeing with Bush/Limbo or Coulter: that is so UNPATRIOTIC!
Don't you people get it that the reason why most of the world despises Bush and his policies because he is a moron and his policies are wrong? You pigs blame the messenger because you are mental and moral retards of the first magnitude.
Remember, you war mongering fascists, 15/19 9/11 hijackers were Sauds and Bush kisses Saudi ass daily!

I only learned this week that the Force Protection Services Jerry "Paul" Bremer set up to "protect" new Iraqi ministries after Saddam was deposed end up being just another bunch of killers, for love of country no doubt.

Guess we expected newly liberated folks to work bipartisanly to move their country forward, just as dems and republicans do in Washington, DC (not).

PAGING ZOMBIE!

Isaac asimov re Sword of Thargola

Extended cliche alert in 108.

The great unwashed is speaking.

#108 Jakester

F.O.A.D.

#108 Jakester

Kind sir,

I think if you read LGF, you will find that many here do not agree with President Bush on a great many things (specifics on how the occupation of Iraq was conceived, immigration, his and the nation's stance towards Saudi Arabia, etc.) I haven't seen any by-laws stating that everyone must agree with Bush or Ann Coulter. Who is Limbo?

Here's some constructive criticism for you.

1) Refer to people by their proper names. Readers will take you more seriously.

2) Padding the length of your post by name-calling is cheating and will not increase your grade. It also prompts the thoughtful reader to ignore you as a troll.

3) If you are criticising a policy, stating the correct alternative and, if possible, backing that alternative up with some pertinent information is a good idea as that will be more likely to start a reasoned debate.

There's more but this will do as a primer.

Best regards,

#107,

We should buy the L.A. Times, the N.Y Times, the Washington Post and the S.F. Chronicle.

Under our ownership, without the liberal propaganda, these papers would set the record straight with respect to the War on Sharia, and the defense industry would experience a record boom; providing new manufacturing, R&D, and technical jobs across the America.

It would cost less than three (3) B2 Bombers.

#111 grumpy old codger

Isaac asimov re Sword of Thargola

Ding ding ding, you get twenty points.

#108 Jakester

Remember, you war mongering fascists, 15/19 9/11 hijackers were Sauds and Bush kisses Saudi ass daily!

Well then, the answer is obvious - Nuke Mecca.

/not really kidding, either

#108 jakester

You're clearly from Mensa. By the way, disparaging persons with different abilities and disabilities is passe. It takes a village you know.

JammieWearingFool (#113):
Take pity on him. It must be difficult to go through life without having an original thought.

A bit OT, but let's see how al-AP spins this!

Plan approved to relocate Gush Katif evacuees to n. W. Bank

The Defense Ministry has approved the building of a new settlement in the northern West Bank to house the Gush Katif evacuees, officials said Tuesday.

Construction of Maskiot began months ago. But the project only received final approval from the Defense Ministry last week, said Dubi Tal, head of the Jordan Valley regional council.

The new settlement will house 23 families evacuated from the Gaza Strip last year and will eventually house 100 families, Tal said.
"I estimate that within two or three weeks the foundations for temporary housing will begin," he said.

Saeb Erekat, an aide to Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, condemned the construction and urged the government to revoke its authorization, saying it violated the new spirit of cooperation inaugurated by a meeting Saturday between Abbas and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

"What message are they trying to send?" Erekat said.

Under the phased, US-backed "road map" peace plan, Israel committed to freeze all settlement expansion, while Palestinians pledged to crack down on militants. Neither side has followed through.

"The US view on settlements remains unchanged," said Geoff Anisman, a spokesman for the US Embassy in Tel Aviv. "The US continues to urge both sides to meet their road map obligations and to avoid taking steps that could be viewed as predetermining the outcome of final status negotiations."

Last weekend's Olmert-Abbas summit sought to build on momentum from an Israeli cease-fire with the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, which took effect last month.

Despite the truce, Gaza terrorists launched six Kassam rockets into Israel on Tuesday, causing no damage or casualties, the IDF said. The terrorists have launched about 60 rockets since the truce was declared, and Israeli officials have warned that their patience with the attacks was wearing thin.

In an effort to push forward with the peace efforts, Olmert and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a key mediator between Israel and the Palestinians, will meet next week in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheik, an Israeli government official said.

The official did not say what day the meeting would take place. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the meeting had not been officially announced.

Egypt has played a major role in mediating between Israel and the Palestinians, and has been trying to negotiate the release of an Israeli soldier captured by militants linked to Hamas, the militant group that controls the Palestinian parliament and Cabinet and is a rival to Abbas' Fatah.

The rivalry between the two Palestinian groups has broken out into open street battles in Gaza in recent weeks.

As part of an effort to end the tensions between the groups, King Abdullah II of Jordan invited both Abbas and Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, of Hamas, to Amman.

Talks between the rivals over forming a national unity government broke down last month, and Abbas has threatened to call early elections to end the impasse.

It is just the beginning of righting the evil expulsion. IMHO they should all be allowed to return home, to the Gush, with the Israeli Government paying for this incredible wrong. How can Jews expel Jews from their homes in Israel? And look at what has become of the area; a haven for terrorists, with homes, synagogues, schools, communities and greenhouses destroyed.

#115 incanus

I think if you read LGF, you will find that many here do not agree with President Bush on a great many things...

Yes, but you see, it's easier for Jakester to blow smoke than it is for him to think...path of least resistance, and all that.

"I hope next year will bring good things and unite all Iraqis because there is no difference between Christians and Muslims," said Abu Fadi ...

In other news, Fadi also states there is no difference between Shinola and shit.

#110 JammieWearingFool

Jeez...they don't give up, do they?

Such missiles cause less powerful explosions than the previous generation of US-manufactured TOW and Hellfire missiles (often used by the IDF in assassination attempts against Palestinian militants in Gaza and the West Bank), which would have destroyed the ambulances completely.

And cut perfectly centered holes completely with mounting screw holes. Are they *%*($@+ serious?

I think we need a thread on this.

#108 Jakester 12/26/2006 11:02AM PST

don't walk around like some retarded bully with a 100lb chip on my shoulder;

Now I remember you! You're the guy that shaves his ass and walks on his hands!

#121 TQC

Yes, but you see, it's easier for Jakester to blow smoke than it is for him to think...path of least resistance, and all that.

I am sure you are correct. However, I was in the mood to throw down the gauntlet in a gentlemanly fashion and see if Jakester is capable of carrying on a civilised conversation and engage in reasonable debate. That will require thought and effort, so we'll see what happens.

This has probably been pointed out or talked about in other threads but has everyone noticed this at Yahoo News:

(What happened to the "Discuss" option?)

They're working to "make it better!" Ha! Yeah right, they're trying to figure out a way to control the debate over their "news" because controlling the "news" cycle isn't good enough for them - they want to control any thought about their "news" as well. The Green Floods of of comments by Lizards injecting rationality and criticism into their boards is driving 'em nuts!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! ! !

#108 Jakester

Don't you people get it that the reason why most of the world despises Bush and his policies because he is a moron and his policies are wrong? You pigs blame the messenger because you are mental and moral retards of the first magnitude.

Well that certainly elevated the level of discourse.
In reponse to your assertion of why the world hates Bush, it is more analgous to the quote about nobody loving soldiers until the barbarians are at the gate. In reality the world doesn't hate Bush for what he did as much as they do for actually doing something. The majority of people were happy to go about there travel on this planet along the mortal coil in complete oblivion to the dangers out there, right at the corner of their minds. Dangers, that if ignored or at least pandered to, would not invade their lives. Well since they, the rest of the world, have found out what it is like to live like the Israeli's have for over 50 years they don't like it one bit. It isn't that the liberals and pascifists want the threat to be removed, rather they just want it to threaten somebody else other then them. The deniers just want to get back to their lives free of fear.
Well guess what folks, with or without President Bush that ain't gonna happen. Bin Laden underestimated the US and now with the gradual awakening of the west to this threat coming out of the Middle East the rest of the world may eventually realise that there is no compromise with the Islmofascists.

#110 JammieWearingFool

Oh, and:

Human Rights Watch cannot conclusively state which missiles were used in the attack on the ambulances, because our researchers did not find diagnostic shrapnel or missile parts at the scene, and because of the experimental nature of some missiles used by the IDF. The DIME is a weapon with a casing designed to disintegrate in an effort to minimize collateral damage from its fragmentation. Regardless of the weapon used, the IDF certainly has the capability to attack vehicles with limited impact missiles designed to cause low collateral damage.

In other words, they didn't find any schrapnel, but the Israelis are capable of shooting missiles, therefore they did.

These NGOs are whores.

helpful suggestions on the war - RightSide

Would you agree then, that a helpful suggestion would be to kill the enemies of the United States and Liberty, wherever we find them, as quickly as possible and without remorse or regret? And that we should stop trying to appease the enemy as a means to end their evil actions toward the United states and more precisely to the concept of Liberty? How about the idea that we declare war on the right party, and stop all this politically correct white-washing; ending our presumptious " war on terror " and beginning the real war - the war on facist islamonazis?

How are those for helpful suggestions from the conservative base? I see you've been a member for about 6 months...still can't decide which side you're on eh?

KILL THE ENEMY. DEFEND LIBERTY. END THE WAR BY WINNING IT, NOT BY SURRENDERING TO THE ENEMY.

owl

In conclusion, there was no “hoax.” All of the available evidence shows that the Israeli attack which hit the Qana ambulances took place as reported.

Chutzpah!

It is my belief that wars are not truly over until an enemy is truly defeated, often by the most destructive weapons of the victors.

That is why WWII finished what WWI started. That is why I believe there will be mushroom clouds in our future, too. I just don't know where.

#123 Iron Fist

If they had nukes, you and I would be dead. This is simply a fact. Why, therefore, should they be alive?

They shouldn't.

#127 Incanus

However, I was in the mood to throw down the gauntlet in a gentlemanly fashion...

Man, and I thought *I* was stuck in the 19th century...;)

Can anybody access my zombietime site at the moment? For some reason, I myself can't access it, but I don't know if the problem is with me specifically, or if the web page itself is offline for some reason. Please post results here if the link above works for you or does not work. Thanks!

Let's have an on-line debate with those HRW son-of-a-bitches. Go get all your "experts", and we'll round up ours.

C'mon, weenies...

#136 zombie

No. The problem could be a number of things, but I can't get in the front door, or any of the back doors.

zombie,

I can't get through. You probably are swamped with traffic, is guess. I linked to the Hot Air piece. HRW is trying to dispute your ambulance report.

#136 zombie

Not just you, it timed out on me too.

If anyone is curious as to what Jakester will be posting tomorrow, tune in to Michael Savage tonight.

The victims on 911 were brutually TORTURED and then horrifically murdered. The untold story is what those poor people did on the planes and upper floors of the WTC for an hour while they suffered and contemplated their deaths. Most of them were burned and buried alive. Proponets of sharia law would be proud of the amount of suffering inflicted.

Our friend was the co-pilot on the second plane to hit the WTC: ex-marine pilot, high school quarterback, married to his high school sweeheart with 2 beautiful children. We attended the funeral.

The Muslim extremists only murder our soldiers now because they are more accessible than we are...but don' kid yourselves...they'd prefer to be slaughtering large numbers of American women and children...along with the men.

no luck Zombie

#108 jakester

Bush and his damn war in Iraq caused 9/11!

/prepare for moonbat head explosion

Zombie,

You are not alone. I couldn't either.

Damn zombie, must be the attack of the cartoons.

We're from Texas and we know its a dam bar fight to the death, not cricket or a chess game.

Taxfree #138 - AMEN, brother. Ain't that the truth.

Zombie - I can't access it either - it's 2;27pm. EST.

#141 JammieWearingFool 12/26/2006 11:25AM PST
zombie,

I can't get through. You probably are swamped with traffic, is guess. I linked to the Hot Air piece. HRW is trying to dispute your ambulance report

Oh shit. I was hoping they would hold off until I posted my rebuttal, which I am working now. Damn!

Now Hot Air has posted it and it will spread all over before I can rebut it.

That explains it.

Grrr...

#141 JammieWearingFool

I'm not sure what Hot Air's traffic typically is, but that's plausable.

#136 zombie

No-go from two different locations. In both cases I can trace to 66.228.119.238, and I get timeouts after that. Tried ICMP, UDP, and TCP traceroutes.

The server itself does not ping but that may be by design.

Bless our troops for catching two Iranian 'diplomats' fomenting terror in Iraq.

As someone who grew up reading the WaPo's self-congratulatory stories about their uncovering the Watergate 'coverup', I continue to be amazed how little investigative reporting WaPo and its fellow travelers do about the real killers.

#135

Man, and I thought *I* was stuck in the 19th century...;)

Yeah, I am weird like that. Someday I'll find someone who appreciates those qualities!

#108 Jakester

Don't you people get it that the reason why most of the world despises Bush and his policies because he is a moron and his policies are wrong?

NO, it is because Bush says, and believes things such as:

"It is the duty of the strong to protect the weak"

And so those who see nothing wrong with stepping on those weaker than themselves, why, they despise President Bush.

#108 Jakester

You are aware, are you not, that your post practically drips fascist authoritarianism?

You're not? Oh well, not my problem, but here's a clue: telling other people what they think, and trying to hold them responsible for these projections, is the essence of authoritarian rhetoric.
It is also the internal ethic of the media culture, but you are not otherwise headed for a career in that sector without a great deal of remedial education.

localhost:~ # ping [Link: www.zombietime.com...]
PING [Link: www.zombietime.com...] (66.228.122.12) 56(84) bytes of data.

--- [Link: www.zombietime.com...] ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 9022ms

localhost:~ # traceroute [Link: www.zombietime.com...]
traceroute to [Link: www.zombietime.com...] (66.228.122.12), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 0.140 ms 0.109 ms 0.168 ms
2 ppp-71-129-81-254.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net (71.129.81.254) 16.407 ms 19.414 ms 18.052 ms
3 dist2-vlan60.scrm01.pbi.net (64.171.152.131) 17.450 ms 16.461 ms 15.230 ms
... //snip// ...
14 fcr01.dal01.softlayer.com (66.228.119.238) 67.036 ms 72.041 ms 65.817 ms
15 fcr01.dal01.softlayer.com (66.228.119.238) 66.294 ms 65.250 ms 65.657 ms
16 * * *
17 * * *
18 * * *

zombie: no

In other words, there's no evidence of the zombietime server being alive. It may be under attack, it may be swamped, or it may be down. No way to tell.

#108 Jakester -

Before you have another episode of premature ejaculation here on LGF -go check some simple facts -

How many millions did the Saudi gang give Abu Jimyah Carter for his library and foundation?

How many millions did the Godfathers of the Saudi Families give Billary Clinton for his Library and foundation?

Show us any real data that supports your orgasmic rant.

Zombie, could not access.

#108 jakester

Of course, jakester loves its' country, otherwise his Great Leader, Li'l Kim-Jong Mentally-Ill, will murder jakester's family and feed them to the pigs, while jakester "gets" to watch. Then it will be jakester's turn...

I often wonder if moonbats have ever read any of Victor Davis Hanson's, military historian, articles.

I honestly believe that their moral confusion has something to do with their Reptilian Brain.

Our Reptilian Brains

by Victor Davis Hanson

The president, of course, is responsible for these wild swings in his popularity — to a point. It was Mr. Bush's tough but necessary decision to invade Iraq, and Americans rightly went along with it on both practical and moral grounds. The majority stuck with him as long as the U.S. seemed to be winning at minimal cost. This latter point cannot be underestimated. A majority of Americans, like a majority of mankind, does not embrace a strong particular ideology that keeps them levelheaded and always resolute through either bad or good news. Most simply wish to win, and to be identified with a winner — they are as giddy with success as they are dejected with disappointment, as quick to blame others for setbacks as they are to claim credit for progress.

But that primordial concept seems to our sophisticated elites too simplistic — although there is a wealth of historical examples to substantiate this depressing trait of mankind. Why was a defiant Pericles lionized in 431 and censured and fined by 430? Most likely because Spartans were in Attica and an unexpected plague was killing 80,000 Athenians. Few cared that he had nothing to do with a mysterious disease, they cared only that thousands had died on his watch. Ask Churchill's ghost why he was called on in 1939, thrown out as war ended, and brought back again as new dangers loomed.

Zombie has been outed by Allahpundit over on Hotair.

Update: Zombie e-mails to say she’s working on a debunking of the debunking. Stay tuned…

Red on red violence: al NYT reporterette writing puff piece on Taliban beaten by Pakistani intelligence agents.

Hot Air traffic

They're hot.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

I'm sure the cause is legitimate traffic. I was dreading that this would happen this morning. I am in the middle of preparing a response to the HRW report, but now my site is so swamped I would be able to access it for a while. As everyone looks for a rebuttal that isn't there yet. Ughhjjhhh.

Anyway, I've got to get back to the grindstone and get this finished ASAP. So you won't be hearing from me much until I'm done!

#157 Ojoe

Beating John McCain in the presidential primaries and then beating Al Gore are two things President Bush did to enrage the self-anointed intelli-literati. Winning is unforgiveable!

Many folks cannot "get over it"--the advice DC's democrat Mayor-for-Life, Marion Berry, gave incredulous folks after he won re-election despite his drug convictions, rampant corruption and third-world mis-management of your Nation's Capital City.

Zombie -

Frankly, I don't think there's much to rebut. They didn't come up with anything new; they just did an AP, and said that they rechecked their sources, and stand by their claim. Ra^ther dissapointing.

MR. BANNON. So you find in a rape case where male DNA is found on multiple items from a rape kit not probative evidence?

MR. NIFONG. Objection, argumentative. He’s explained.

THE COURT. Overruled.

DR. MEEHAN. No, that’s not a general rule, okay. This report was a specific report at the request and in discussions with Mr. Nifong that we would report only specimens that matched evidence items. (pp. 59-60)

Read the whole thing. Nifong belongs in jail for what he did and is doing to those young men.

[Link: durhamwonderland.blogspot.com...]

Zombie has been outed by Allahpundit over on Hotair.

Update: Zombie e-mails to say she’s working on a debunking of the debunking. Stay tuned…

Zombie's a feamale? Never woulda thunk it. Not in a million years.

Well Zombie, your cover is blown all to hell now. Sorry.

#168 taxfreekiller

Seconded. Or just email the response to Hot Air, if they're willing to post it.

Winston himself was engaged in altering the past at the Ministry of Truth and he knew very well how the process worked. But there had been one incident which stood out in his memory, convincing him that lies could not become truth. This incident had happened around 1965. Most of the original leaders of the Party Revolution except Big Brother himself had been purged and vaporized on the charge of being counter revolutionaries and traitors. Prominent among these were three leaders Jones, Aaronson and Rutherford. They had all been arrested and charged of treason to the Party and after public confessions had been temporarily reinstated. But everyone knew this was only a stopgap arrangement, once you fell into the hands of the thought police there was no escape. Winston had seen the three men at a café where they were carefully avoided by most people as being dangerous to associate with. He had noticed the signs of torture on their faces.
Soon afterwards, the three were rearrested and after further confessions of conspiracies with Eurasia were executed. Years later a scrap of newspaper which somehow had escaped destruction had found it’s way to Winston’s desk. There was a photograph of the three men attending a prominent Party function on the same date they were said to have been launching conspiracies on Eurasian soil. Winston had destroyed the paper immediately, but it stayed at the back of his mind, as evidence confirming what he already knew, that what the Party presented as Truth was a complete tissue of lies.
Winston wondered how far this falsification would go. Given the inexorable nature of the Party’s project, sooner or later, they would declare that two and two are five and if he, Winston questioned it he would probably be a lunatic and “in a minority of one.”

-George Orwell, 1984

Al Qaeda congratulates Dems on winning Congress but says they should remember who helped them, and while Dems have the right ideas, they should be moving faster to dhimmitude.

The fact that the sort of damage inflicted on the press van is similar to the damage inflicted on the Lebanese ambulances should not be taken as suggestive of the press-van hit being a fake. It should rather be taken as suggestive that the ambulance-hit stories are more likely to be true, and attempts to debunk them, while well-intentioned and inspired by good questions about the extent of damage inflicted, should be reexamined.

Huh?

re #174

I agree wholeheartedly! This bastard has suppressed evidence, lied, and ruined these boys' lives.

All for the african-american vote in durham.

I sure hope those families drag his ass into court and sue him for everything he's worth.

Speaking of Michael Savage (and his inspiration to various posters) he occasionally does good stuff (like helping Lt. Hilario Pantano) and can be entertaining in small doses, but all that dope smoking in the 60s with Timothy Leary and the Beatniks produces some strange results- a sudden appreciation for New York uber-lib Charles Schumer, who Savage once detested, and open support for Jerry Brown, beyond Democrat, beyond even Marxist, to some la-la land only the most acid besotted Berkeley transgendered alcoholic homeless ever find.

#181 taxfreekiller

That was on Drudge. It wasn't so much that they were geologically running out of oil as it was that they simply haven't been making the continuing reinvestment in new sources. Just like Venezuela. They're going down the crapper because of mismanagement, not because of a lack of resources.

Ah, yes, the mystery missle that just happened to go through the same spot in the middle of the red cross on the roof where there is a vent on every ambulance. The mystery missle that just happened to leave no burn marks inside the ambulance. But, according to HRW, the mystery missle -- which may or may not exist -- does little damage. Spin on.

#175 Fight The Hypocrisy
zombie's gender was revealed a few months ago in a video she made of some palis, where one of them pointed and made reference to "she's" taping, or some such.

OTH, given that zombie's base of ops seems the San Francisco Bay area, can we make a certain assumption of sex? /cover and concealment while on recon

OT
Iran summons UK ambassador over Blair remarks

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

taxfreekiller- I heard that mentioned at one of the schismatic LGF blogs, about Iranian oil output falling, but I don't know any details/have any links.

92 tfk,

Man that is high praise. Even from an admirer as faithful as you.

As for Occam's Razor -- glad it's catching on.

#185 Blackacre

Ah, yes, the mystery missle that just happened to go through the same spot in the middle of the red cross on the roof where there is a vent on every ambulance. The mystery missle that just happened to leave no burn marks inside the ambulance. But, according to HRW, the mystery missle -- which may or may not exist -- does little damage. Spin on.

Not only all that, but where's the kinetic damage?
/I'm sure glad all those magic mystery sci-fi weapons belong to an ally

Zombie

Zombietime still NOT Accessable

Suspect you've have the evil Mohammedan Virus

Seething over mass murderers
Anger at destruction of Iraqi 'torture' police station

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Phrogistan raises alert- worried that impending al Qaeda attack on UK may target "Chunnel"

How many US soldiers weren't deployed vs. how many civilians were slaughtered in the first WTC bombing? The Khobar Towers bombing? The USS Cole?

Seems like we're at least fighting back now. It's a start.

SquigOut.

Zombie- can't access your website.

OT,

Why is the world quiet when Ethopia launched attacks in Somalia but can't allow Israel even the smidgen of defending herself from the rockets?

2nd OT,

Regarding Israel building a new West Bank town for the Jewish Gaza refugees, serves the Palis right. Lie to us on the hudna and we'll lie to you on the road map.

JG

tfk

Ed, some one was asking about a report from a US source that Iran oil production is way down and is about to tank?

Roger Hedgecock on Rush's show today mentioned something about Iran importing gasoline because they don't have adequate refineries to produce enough for their needs. I didn't hear what source he referenced.
'Course, we don't have adequate refineries to produce gas for our needs either FWIW.

#189 Ed

Iran's Oil Exports...

Here is the link previously posted by bweep on todays first morning thread:

[Link: breakingnews.iol.ie...]

#186 American Soldier

I didn't catch that but I wondered if people (other than myself) knew. I guess they did. Good point about SanFran though.

kinda OT

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Biden needs an ego check...this man helped hold Bolton back and he is trying to insure defeat in Iraq...pathetic...

Ed

An attack on French soil is likely to happen in the next few weeks or months, according to a senior French foreign intelligence official, who said today that they are on the highest state of alert since 9/11.

They're so damned deep in denial that they don't know they've already been under sustained attacks. Thousands of cars burned, hundreds of rapes, hundreds of No-GO Zones...

tfk + E2M:

My rebuttal needs to be devastating. I don't want to do something half-assed. A rush job just won't cut it.

Believe me, when I'm done, it will be stupendous. Worth waiting for. I'm going as fast as I can, I swear!

The more time I spend here, the longer it will take, so this will be my last comment for a while.

As for the gender speculations: I neither confirm nor deny the existence of any gender whatsoever!

I AM ZOMBICUS!

HEY MSM...SO WHAT?! STOP TRYING TO DESTROY THE WILL TO FIGHT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE YOU TRAITORS!

Pearl Harbor Deaths: 2,117
World War Two Deaths: 407,300.

#198 redstateredneck

Roger Hedgecock on Rush's show today mentioned something about Iran importing gasoline because they don't have adequate refineries to produce enough for their needs.

That's old news, but drops in crude production could mean exports tapering off to nothing.

Of course, the WaPo was spinning it as "See? They have legitimate needs for nuclear energy".

If they can't manage their oil industry, that's just brilliant to give them nukes, right? Anyone remember Chernobyl?

197 Broomer,

I for one am glad the world is quietly letting Ethiopia do what it needs to do...

#199 lioness

That's just somebody's opinion and/or extrapolation, though. No guarantee it will happen like that.

136 zombie

ERROR 504 Gateway Time-out.

Iran's Oil:
al-Reuters is making the case for Iran running out of oil. Bullsh*t!

There's plenty of oil there, and if they spent 10% of the monies spent on nuclear energy, controlling their campuses, and supplying arms to terrorists they'd have plenty of refineries, etc.

. I am Zombicus.

127 incanus 12/26/2006 11:17AM PST
..., I was in the mood to throw down the gauntlet in a gentlemanly fashion and see if Jakester is capable of carrying on a civilised conversation and engage in reasonable debate. That will require thought and effort, so we'll see what happens.

That's nice of you, but I wish I could bet on the outcome, because the answer will be no, which is why I ignore him.

#203 zombie

I neither confirm nor deny the existence of any gender whatsoever!

Is that too big for a rotating title?

#203 zombie

As for the gender speculations: I neither confirm nor deny the existence of any gender whatsoever!

Zackly so, Cousin It.

#208 Ed

I was just posting the link for you...

It would be nice if they self destructed :>)

#108 jakester

Remember, you war mongering fascists, 15/19 9/11 hijackers were Sauds and Bush kisses Saudi ass daily!

And so what is your recommended solution, sirrah?

I know, he's a troll and just loves to rant and the entire screed was just word salad, but if he were honestly promoting an attack on the Saudis, well, I'm just wondering since the one half-reasonable (and we could debate that, but I share some suspicions and sympathies along those lines) thing he said would be inconsistent with the first half of the same sentence, but he could also be made consistent if his shoulders are too small to manage a chip the size of the two world trade center towers, like that isn't obvious, I'm just trying to help his trolling with some added consistency, one way or the other. Lizards are kind to all forms of life, though I understand this need not apply to certain lower forms of parasites.

OT: And vaguely 9-11 conspiracy theorist sounding, except nothing to do with 9-11

As we all recall, a series of "Islamic' terror attacks in Moscow, subway bombings, apartment complexes, and the such, led the Russian people to want a more 'old fashioned' Kremlin leader.

Now, Russia does have problems with Chechen rebels, some of which have carried out gruesome attacks (like Beslan), but what if Vladimir Putin, decided that the occasional Chechen attacks weren't enough to earn a mandate for a new Soviet style supreme leader?

Notice Putin doesn't seem to have issues supporting Iran's plan for nuclear weapons (yes, Iran has a different brand of Islam, but they also have ties to al Qaeda and positively give the orders to Hezb'Allah), and is seizing private property across Russia.

I'm just saying, viewing Putin's KGB past, and his apparent willingness to see innocents die, it isn't at all out of the question that the subway and apartment bombings weren't his own doing.

#211 Tumulus11

I am Zombicus.

LOL.

Fortunately we're not down to that.

Yet.

An attack on French soil is likely to happen in the next few weeks or months, according to a senior French foreign intelligence official, who said today that they are on the highest state of alert since 9/11.

Actually this sounds like more of plea to please attack them.
Bad Fwench voice: What hav zee the Americans and the crude Brits got on us. Why are they getting attacked and not us? Even zee the Spanards for Christs sake are getting attacked. Do zay not understand we are the Fwench? We are the trend setters not these foolish barbarians who do not produce anything like our fine whine. Please we may have collaborated with the Germans in WWII but come on we are not doing this time.
/French voice off

They just hate to be left out of any fad.

#203 zombie

My rebuttal needs to be devastating. I don't want to do something half-assed.

Not knowing what your current butt looks like I can't comment, but if your new butt's devastating, I want to see...

You know, giant inflatable scrotum man would be perfect cover for someone trying to take pictures of moonbats in their natural setting...

#220 Earth2moonbat
*groan*

OT
Half Marathon For Muslim Women’s Helpline
[Link: www.bangladesh-web.com...]

Journalist Emdad Rahman will be running a half marathon on Saturday to raise money for the Muslim Women’s Helpline.

The Muslim Women’s Helpline aims to provide any Muslim girl or woman in a crisis with a free, confidential listening service and referral to Islamic consultants, plus practical help and information where required.

To donate please contact Najma Ebrahim on 020 8904 8193 or visit the website: [Link: www.mwhl.org...]

/Caller: My master is beating me, throwing acid on me, and forcing me to join in orgies with goats, other women, chickens and young boys.
Imam: SUBMIT! You evil woman, I should order you stoned!

I AM ZOMBICUS

Will the real Zombicus please stand up?

Ditto young shirtless (wo)man with C-cups and a beard...

#221 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

You know, giant inflatable scrotum man would be perfect cover for someone trying to take pictures of moonbats in their natural setting...

Shhh! OPSEC!

Funny, I always thought zombie was female. No specific reason.

Nap time...

#197 Broomer

Why is the world quiet when Ethopia launched attacks in Somalia but can't allow Israel even the smidgen of defending herself from the rockets?

Because the world doesn't give a shit about non-muslim Africans. Just look at what's happening in Darfur. While that was going on for years the whole UN went into a furious uproar over the Israli-Hezobollah War after about two hours and immediately started trying to stop it. They brokered a cease-fire and sent in UN troops after a month or so. During that same time in Darfur at least 4 times as many black Chrstians were killed and displaced by gov. (and Saudi) backed Arab-Sunni militias. No one has yet lifted a finger.

Father Gianni: "Go with God!"
LT. A.K. Waters: "God already left Africa."

-Tears of the Sun

209 MandyManners

Could be the HotAir effect.

#223 cbinflux

The Muslim Women’s Helpline aims to provide any Muslim girl or woman in a crisis with a free, confidential listening service and referral to Islamic consultants, plus practical help and information where required.

That sounds like a big contradiction. She calls because she is in trouble and you are going to refer her to a Islamic consultant? Well I guess you don't get a lot of repeat business.

Meanwhile, the Islamists are getting pounded in Somalia by the Ethiopians and the IHT runs a sneering op-ed from a former UN official who worked in Iraq. He sees US conspiracy to get these two countries fighting - avoiding the touchy subject that the Islamists have called big parts of Ethiopia part of Somalia and have been calling for jihad to spread Islam at the point of a sword.

Ethiopia isn't taking this sitting down, and is supporting the legitimate government (the transitional government of Somalia) in its battles with the Islamic courts union (ICU is such an excellent choice if you want to signal where you want your followers to end up).

#115 Incanus

Who is Limbo?

I think he meant Rush Limbaugh.

Got here late.

This comment from Inhuman Rights Watch

Human Rights Watch cannot conclusively state which missiles were used in the attack on the ambulances, because our researchers did not find diagnostic shrapnel or missile parts at the scene, and because of the experimental nature of some missiles used by the IDF. The DIME is a weapon with a casing designed to disintegrate in an effort to minimize collateral damage from its fragmentation

.

So they admit there were NO missile parts or shrapnel at the scene. They then conclude that the IDF has some high tech missile that disappears when it explodes. Does this sound like the old Perry Mason bullet made out of ice routine or what.

So. Lets review. 9/11 was not an attack by airliners because there was no wreckage (yet they ignore the wreckage that was found) and say it was done with explosives despite no evidence of explosives.

Now they flip it and say the ambulances were attacked by missiles even though there is no evidence of any missile parts.

The answer?

Drugs are bad, mkay?

Note to any poster(s) who like to use the name 'retard' or call someone 'retarded? Grow up.

IMHO, it is both childish and cruel. I worked with Downs kids when I was a student nurse, and they are the sweetest, most loving kids, and I felt priviledged to have known them.

Volunteer to work with a Downs kid, and then see how ashamed you will feel for throwing this word around.

OT Ethiopian troops set to capture Somali capitol, Mogadishu. [Link: www.einnews.com...]

Via Drudge: NY Times Reporter Roughed up in Pakistan for planning to meet with Taliban

Hard to feel too bad for her...

OT
The Peaceful Crusader

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Francis of Assisi’s most recent biographers, rightly calls Francis “the first person from the West to travel to another continent with the revolutionary idea of peacemaking.” As a result of his inability to convince Cardinal Pelagius, however, Francis saw himself as a failure. Like his model, Jesus of Nazareth, Francis was an extremist. But his failure is still capable of bearing new fruit.

Islamic society and Christian society have been generally bad neighbors now for nearly 14 centuries, eager to misunderstand each other, often borrowing culturally and intellectually from each other without ever bestowing proper credit. But as Sir Jonathan Sacks, chief rabbi of the British Commonwealth, has written, almost as if he was thinking of Kamil and Francis, “Those who are confident of their faith are not threatened but enlarged by the different faiths of others. ... There are, surely, many ways of arriving at this generosity of spirit and each faith may need to find its own.” We stand in desperate need of contemporary figures like Kamil and Francis of Assisi to create an innovative dialogue. To build a future better than our past, we need, as Rabbi Sacks has put it, “the confidence to recognize the irreducible, glorious dignity of difference.”

WHAT has the free world 'borrowed' from Islam in the last 14 centuries?! MISERY?

I am Zombie/EastCoast - You talkin to me?

Z, keep at it kiddo, we're still here. If you need anything, just ask, it will be done.

TALKIN
TO ME?,
R

OT re: Ethiopia/Somalia

Taken from this article:

On Tuesday, there were reports that American surveillance planes were spotted in the skies above Somalia and may be funneling battlefield intelligence to Ethiopian forces.

When asked about this, Major Kelley Thibodeau, spokeswoman for the task force of American military personnel based in nearby Djibouti, responded, “I am not at liberty to discuss that.”

There are more than 100 American soldiers in Ethiopia helping train Ethiopia troops. But Major Thibodeau said “Officially, we haven’t put anybody in Somalia. The Americans don’t go forward with the Ethiopians. They are training Ethiopians in Ethiopia.”

Maybe we're finally beginning to understand that we must be involved in the golabl war against Islamists, at least in some capacity.

#238 Greg
Thanks for posting, I was going back to look for that one.

/I ain't got no dog in that fight!

#237 gymnast

That's going to be a problem.

Like the dog that finally caught the Mail truck.

The Ethopians do have a reputation for being rather ruthless with "foreign illegal compatants". Don't expect a Guantanamo.

#232 Just_A_Grunt 12/26/2006 12:25PM PST

#223 cbinflux

The Muslim Women’s Helpline aims to provide any Muslim girl or woman in a crisis with a free, confidential listening service and referral to Islamic consultants, plus practical help and information where required.

That sounds like a big contradiction. She calls because she is in trouble and you are going to refer her to a Islamic consultant? Well I guess you don't get a lot of repeat business.

Hence the need for a fundraiser.

#239 cbinflux

A couple of societies have experimented with the pathologic lying endemic in Muslim lands.

This experiment too proved an early failure and limited trials were cut short.

#241, Leeav. Bingo! The UN is panicking at this very moment. Urgent UN meeting needed. "Somali Refugees" fleeing to Kenya. [Link: www.einnews.com...]

Gotta head out to meatspace. Later, all.

I AM ZOMBICUS!

Contintuing the OT Ethiopia/Somali Comments:

This article peppers its words with pro Islamic rhetoric and of course blames the current situation on the USA involvment. Some choice passages below:

"Hasn't anyone heard of Iraq?" said John Prendergast, a senior analyst with the International Crisis Group in Washington. "A military strategy of 'countering terrorism' never works and will likely blow up in their faces."

Analysts (the same US-hating one cited earlier -ed.) said the current crisis stems from another failure of U.S. policy in an increasingly vulnerable region. "All this could have been averted," Prendergast said. "If the U.S. joined a serious diplomatic effort aimed at finding a compromise between Ethiopia and the Courts, negotiations could have had a much better chance. Once the serious punching has started, it's going to be increasingly difficult to stop this brawl."

A U.S.-led attempt to stabilize the country led to the deaths of 18 American troops in October 1993 in an incident depicted in a popular book and film, "Black Hawk Down." And more recently, the United States financed warlords in Somalia who described themselves as an "anti-terrorism coalition" but who mostly terrorized local Somalis, who came to despise them.

The Islamic Courts, initially a grouping of local clerics, came to power in that context, establishing order based on Islamic law village by village, and winning the support of businessmen and others who found the transitional government ineffective and the warlords unacceptable. Analysts say it is a measure of beleaguered Somalis' desire for order, rather than a tendency toward religious extremism, that they embraced the movement.

The contrast between the NYT and WaPo is quite revealing...

Muslim kids get tips on dealing with bullies
Panel draws 200 at convention held in Dearborn

[Link: www.freep.com...]

...Purmul, for example, suggested joining with other Muslim students to become an active force on campus, turning to teachers and school officials for help and being the person to make plans for the group to ensure the activities are acceptable.

"When you're in a room, everyone's disgracing Allah, you're not the minority, you're the majority," she said, inspiring the attendees to look beyond themselves for the courage to defend their faith.

Comment:

In elementary, middle and high school in Metro Detroit I was picked on by Muslim kids who made fun of my blonde hair and called me "poor" and "white trash" because my clothes weren't stylish. My school was so full of "diversity" in West Bloomfield that I felt like a minority and I'm a white Christian male. I hated going to school there. Muslim girls didn't bother me, it was only the boys. They could be very arrogant and snobby. I never made fun of them or even thought about them being Muslim as a bad thing. I just wanted them to leave me alone.

NY Nana

Note to any poster(s) who like to use the name 'retard' or call someone 'retarded? Grow up.

Thank you, Nana. There are most likely LGFers with special needs kids, friends or relatives, too.

#245 Havoc

I can't argue with that.

238/242
No offense...

/I ain't got no dog goat in that taxi fight!

Pak-born Bishop tells Muslim women not to wear veil in public

[Link: in.news.yahoo.com...]

Pakistan-born Bishop Nazir-Ali, the only Asian bishop in the UK, has apparently joined the British administration in the ongoing row over Muslim women wearing veil in public, by calling for a legislation that allowed officials to remove the veil.

He said that Muslim women "should not wear the garment in public", and added that the Muslim community needed to make a greater effort to integrate in the British society.

"It is fine if they want to wear the veil in private. But there are occasions in public life when it is inappropriate for them to wear it," he reportedly told the Sunday Telegraph.

The Bishop of Rochester also argued that legislation should be introduced to give officials the power to remove the veil. "Given that we are facing an unprecedented security situation, legislation needs to be introduced that allows officials to remove the veil. People were too worried about offending Muslims," the Daily Times quoted the Bishop as saying in an interview with the British paper.

He also called for legislation over the veil after a suspect wanted over the shooting of a policewoman was thought to have fled the UK while dressed in a veil.

#110 JWF

Holy Crap! Them Jooos are amazing!

They have a super-secret missle that will cut a precise round hole in the top of a vehicle, cut off a guys leg (and leave no blood), and cause no other damage to the vehicle!

No wonder the palis / arabs / muslims are so friggin' scared of them Jooos.

GregInSeattle 12/26/2006 12:30PM PST

Via Drudge: NY Times Reporter Roughed up in Pakistan for planning to meet with Taliban

Hard to feel too bad for her...

Go read the comments. Last I checked, mine was still there.

I AM ZOMBICUS!

Man I wish I knew how to make bumper stickers.

Toujours Pret

Charles,
I agree with #8 and #10.
Let's see if they are coming to the site.

#248 Leeav

"Hasn't anyone heard of Iraq?" said John Prendergast, a senior analyst with the International Crisis Group in Washington

You might want to google the International Crisis Group, Dana Priest of Wapo, and her husband who is on the board of International Crisis Group.

Here's a start.

Incest.

JUST FOUND THIS STORY ABOUT SOME DAMN CIVIL GIMMICK SODAMN'S LAWYERS ARE TRYING TO USE TO GET HIS SORRY @$$ OUT OF BECOMING A TIRE SWING.

SOMEBODY TELL ME I'M DREAMING!

Pressed in Iraq, U.S. Army turns out interrogators
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

The U.S. Army has stepped up its training of interrogators to get a clearer picture of Iraq, where attacks on American and Iraqi targets have been running at unprecedented levels -- almost 1,000 a week.

The number of soldiers going through a 93-day course to become Human Intelligence Collectors, the army term for interrogators, has quadrupled over the past three years -- from 265 in 2003 to 1,070 in 2006 -- and is projected to rise to just over 1,500 by 2009. The increase reflects an urgent need to plug gaps in intelligence.

During their Arizona training, future interrogators practice 19 "approaches" to detainees. Explained in detail in the field manual, these techniques range from the "emotional love approach" and the "incentive approach" to the "emotional fear-up approach."

To avoid incidents that could backfire on the interrogator -- or America's image -- the instructions carry warnings. For example: "The HUMINT collector must be extremely careful that he does not threaten or coerce a source. Conveying a threat may be a violation of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice)."

The manual lists three interrogation techniques that require specific approval from a senior officer.

These are: "Mutt and Jeff," a version of the good cop-bad cop routine used by police; "false flag," a technique to trick a detainee into believing his questioners are from a country other than the United States; and "separation" to keep detainees apart from each other. That approach requires approval from a four-star general.

In the arduous debates that led to the new manual, according to officials involved in the process, a sizable body of opinion held that making details of interrogation techniques public handed an advantage to Iraqi insurgents and other anti-U.S. forces because they would know what to expect.
But that view did not prevail and the army posted the manual on its Web site in September.

/BOTH arms tied behind our backs!

Those of you with sensitivities to " special needs kids" - I have a serious and humble question. Supposing that you are anti-political correctness, how do you reconcile your own use of politically correct terms with regard to mentally handicapped persons?

If you are not opposed to political correctness, I suppose there is no contradiction.

Just wondering because I struggle with this idea myself...I think the terms like " retard " are normally used only as vile insults, and yet -terms like " mentally challenged" leave such a sour taste in my decidedly anti-pc mouth( at some point, I'm sure you realize that mental retardation became mentally challenged, etc. etc. ) that I can hardly stand to use them. Just wondering how you deal with using politically correct terms instead of using the older, and IMHO more accurate terms?

Here in the south, the parking spot up front with the blue lines is still called the "handicapped spot" for most folks...but I suppose if one wanted to use the PC term it would be the "physically challenged drivers spot" or some such...

and if you're anti-p.c., does it not rub you the wrong way not to call mentally retarded people mentally retarded? Or am I just a cold, heartless Republican?

thanks

#208 Earth2moonbat
#199 lioness
The original source for that story is quoted as "a journal of the National Academy of Sciences". I had a look at their web site but no grace. It's been reported on UK TV though. There was some American useful idiot citing it as evidence that Iran's nuclear program was legitimate.

#211 Tumulus11

I AM ZOMBICUS

#225 redstaterednecker

I Am Zombicus

American Soldier

I AM Zombicus

#218 Itellu3times

I Am Zombicus

Glurge?
Conservative Rocker Ted Nugent on Hunting

Nugent, an avid hunter, was being interviewed by a French journalist.

The journalist asked, "What do you think the last thought is in the mind of a deer before you shoot it? Is it, "Are you my friend?" or is it "Are you the one who killed my brother?"

Nugent replied, "Deer aren't capable of that kind of thinking. All they care about is, 'What am I going to eat next, what am I going to screw next, and can I run fast enough to get away its mate. They are very much like the French."

Those killed in 9/11 were innocent civilians.

Those killed in Iraq were trained American military personnel.

All were brave, but there is a difference between those who didn't know what they were getting into and those who did and were prepared. The AP wrote it this way to indicate that US soldiers are innocents who were placed in harm's way by Bush.

The real similarity between 9/11 victims and the US soldiers in Iraq is that all were killed by people with the same sick and twisted ideas.

#263 bweep

The WaPo story was the same. Claiming that their oil resources are dwindling (peak oil, anyone?), and they need nuke power. What they didn't say was that declining production (as in Venezuela) is because of mismanagement, and not because of resource shortage.

Which raises the obvious question: if they're losing their oil because of mismanagement, does that make it a good idea to let them have nukes? Chernobyl, anyone?

243-havoc- H-e-e-ey..! there is an idea.
"don't expect a guantanamo.."But we aren't sure are we? So we try itout and ship our Guantana-mates to Ethiopia, see. And we check it out for ourselves...And opps we learn that the Eths are not pre-disposed to
the imprisonment concept.
/who knew?

HumanTerrorist Rights Watch wants members of the Muslim Brotherhood to be freed:

Egypt: Police Intensify Crackdown on Muslim Brotherhood

...representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood told Human Rights Watch they expect further detentions in the days to come.

(...)

Human Rights Watch called on the Egyptian government to immediately release, or charge, all members of the Muslim Brotherhood imprisoned in this months-long campaign, as well as students arrested for their suspected links to the group.

“Once again, the government is detaining members of a peaceful group whose only crime is pressing for reform,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Human Rights Watch’s Middle East and North Africa director.

#261 cbinflux

and "separation" to keep detainees apart from each other. That approach requires approval from a four-star general.

And to think when I was in we used the 4 S's
Search (Duh)
Safeguard (they are no longer combatants)
Separate (to keep them from making plans)
Speed (to the rear)

So in todays world if I capture somebody out there on the battlefield I have to get permission from my mommy to split them up. And this is on top of the ridiclous ROE's (Rules of Engagment) whereby I have to determine if the enemy is really trying to kill me or it is just some sort 'protest'.
Take no prisoners, Leave no witnesses

Saddam to hang within 30 days.

My prediction: When Saddam does take the big drop, the MSM will downplay it.
It will be the lead story, they can't avoid that, but the tone will be that of an afterthought, "in case you're interested."

Any feature play in the media will focus on far left criticism of Saddam's trial, with softballs pitched at the usual Human Rats activist spokesdroids and unchallenged soundbites in return.
There may also be leaden semi-philosophical pieces from the likes of Andy Rooney, questioning the "right to judge," playing up the lies about the US arming Saddam in the 80s and so on.
In short: another exercise in twisted bullshit that Goebbels would envy.

#270
OOpppsss
5 S's
I forgot SILENCE
/I will go bend my dog tags now

#265 cbinflux

ROFLMAO!

Mixed marathon shocks Pak clerics
Religious parties in Pakistan threaten to disrupt a marathon in Lahore in which men and women will run together.
[Link: in.news.yahoo.com...]
/I sure hope that Hotline is up and runnning!

Haj may be next on al-Qaida target
As Haj pilgrimage begins in Saudi Arabia this week there are concerns that al-Qaida may target the holy sites.
[Link: in.news.yahoo.com...]
/RoP anyone?