Infidel Babe of the Week.

Zombie Woof!

tfk,

Free from orbit?

What's in your head?

On The Issue of Fairness...

they are in no way concerned about fairness

Great job, Zombie!

Vox clamantis in deserto

These Ellison Islamniacs are going to eat us old school, just like THE CHINESE, from the inside, OUT.

An annoying, lawyerly stylistic comment for Zombie: Once you define Human Rights Watch as "hereafter HRW", stick to using "HRW" for the rest of the document. Also, define Human Rights Watch as "HRW" the first time it appears in the document.

Proud member of both the Lizardoid and zombie armies!

Zombie kicks ass, takes names, then kicks more ass.

HRW are the same group that are flapping their gums about Saddam's trial being a show trial and his death sentence unfair.

I wonder who funds them, Soros, the PRC, or the once and future USSR.

#1 Nice rack.

Her voice was soft and cool
her eyes were clear and bright
but she's not there

Brazilian quagmire watch!

What's your name?
Who's yer daddy?
Is he rich like me?

Rare photograph of Zombie at home in Berkeley, Ca.

From the "You Don't Say" files -- Human Rights Watch Opposes Decision to Execute Saddam

The website is called 'Tolerance'. LOL.

#2 I can't get it to load. Is it another hot babe for you gentleman to objectify? Not that I'm ANTI-Objectification, let's be clear----but I can't get it to load. Rack or no RACK.

TSA given Hajj sensitivity training

Are we insane? Does this government have a death wish?

For further reading:

Amnesty and HRW Claims Discredited in Detailed Report

And the detailed report in question:

Hezbollah's use of Lebanese civilians as human shields: the extensive military infrastructure positioned and hidden in populated areas. From within the Lebanese towns and villages deliberate rocket attacks were directed against civilian targets in Israel.

This is top of the "Refuting ‘Evidence’ of the ‘Hoax’" page:

The claim that Israel did not hit ambulance 782 through the center of its roof’s Red Cross emblem, but that someone had instead removed the ambulance’s air vent to make it look that way, is false. Human Rights Watch recovered the air vent, which showed it to have been penetrated by a missile, most likely a smaller missile fired from an Israeli drone.

This is iowahawk level parody presented as fact.

Saddam's Death To Be Videotaped

I'm just now getting a chance to read the essay. Go Zombie.

Babba is no gentleman...

#20 O-C-T-O-P U S S Y----is that a REAL , live CAT? Gooooood golly...

Alright, I just printed out Zombie's report...It's 30 pages long!

And so we go, on with our lives
We know the truth, but prefer lies
Lies are simple, simple is bliss
Why go against tradition when we can
Admit defeat, live in decline
Be the victim of our own design
The status quo, built on suspect
Why would anyone stick out their neck?

Fellow members
Club "We've Got Ours"
I'd like to introduce you to our host
He's got his, and I've got mine
Meet the decline

Zombie, G-d bless and keep you. You are a seeker of truth.

NGO Monitor nails them ....

Shalom Nekama :-)

#23 shug

I think the answer is yes to both your questions.

Pretty amusing

“We put out information telling everyone that hajj is coming; this is the time frame; individuals are going to be traveling with these types of items; just to be aware that they may also be praying,” TSA spokesman Darrin Kayser told USINFO December 26. “I guess you would call it cultural sensitivity training.”

Um, what types of items?

Zombie,
Hae you sent a copy of this report (and the previous ones) to Human Rights Watch?

Zombie nails HRW. Part deux. Don't confuse liberals with the truth - they are much happier living in the kumbaya klub instead of reality.

#26 zulubaby

Saddam's Death To Be Videotaped

They better videotape it from every possible angle or our "truthers" will begin to claim he's not really dead, that GWB made an agreement with him beforehand to consult with GWB on how best to deal with the sectarian violence yet prolong the violence so that Haliburton can make more profits, ad infinitum.

/tin foil hat off

Pali toy gun warning:

B'Tselem and al-Haq Warn about Killing of Children Playing with Toy Gauns

TELAVIV, December 28, 2006 (WAFA)- B'Tselem and al-Haq HR organisations warned Thursday against a danger that Palestinian children will face during the 'Eid al-Adha, the Muslim holiday that begins this weekend.

In a statement, they said , During Muslim holidays, Palestinian children and youths play with toy rifles. According to B'Tselem's figures, in recent years, IOF soldiers have killed five Palestinian children and youths who were playing with toy weapons or fireworks.

B'Tselem has urged Israeli Central Command to inform all commanders and soldiers that Palestinian children are likely to be walking about in the street carrying what looks like weapons.

" Even in normal times, army regulations do not permit soldiers to open fire when they are not at risk, , adding that during holidays, soldiers must be especially careful," B'Tselem pointed out.

Children killed by the Israeli forces gunfire while playing with toy guns were Salah a-Din 'Ikab, Saqer Abu Muhsin, 13, Muhammad Jam'an Mahmoud Haneideq, 15, Mujahed Amin 'Aref Asmadi, 15, Adi Khaled Sa'id Tantawi, 13. While Ahmad Isma'il Muhammad al-Khatib, 12, was injured and later died .

The HRW really isn't interested in the facts or truth here. They'd much rather believe that mystery weapons that not only can't be verified, but do not exist, were responsible for the attacks. No amount of proof will suffice.

They're simply grasping at straws to continue believing that the big bad Israelis were responsible for the attacks and that Hizbullah wouldn't manipulate the events and evidence to their own purposes.

Gee can you say condescending?

Human Rights Watch trusts that, now that the truth has been demonstrated, these armchair deniers will devote their energy to pressing Israel to determine why this attack occurred, who was responsible, whether disciplinary or punitive measures are in order, and what steps can be taken to ensure that similar attacks are not repeated in the future. It would also be appropriate to press for compensation to the victims as well.

Um, you didn't prove jack shit with your experimental weapons fired from drones that do limited damage cockamamie "proof" so your "trust" is misplaced at best.

OT:

GOP and the City picked up a story about how the 9/11 conspiracy nuts are now stalking Danny Bonaduce's family after he gave one of them a
tongue lashing when they interviewed him.

The Daily News has the full story.

Good work zombie!

Attempted hijacking:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

A Russian passenger plane has made an emergency landing in Prague after a man tried to enter the cockpit, saying he had an explosive device.

A spokesman for the airline, Aeroflot, said the Russian citizen wanted the Moscow-Geneva flight diverted to Cairo.

"Today, on flight 271 Moscow-Geneva, one of the passengers on the flight declared that he had an explosive device," said Aeroflot deputy chief executive Lev Koshlyakov...

"The preliminary version is that this was a case of hooliganism."
Czech police chief Vladislav Husak said the man had been overpowered by other passengers and crew after trying to break into the cockpit...

Jan Subert, A spokesman for the Czech counterintelligence service, the BIS, said that terrorism apparently was not involved.

"From what we know, the incident had nothing to do with terrorism," he said.

Aeroflot said the man was travelling with eight family members, three of them children.

Smackdown! Great job zombie!

Brave bishop denies Muslims' demand to pray in Catholic cathedral:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

The Roman Catholic bishop of Cordoba in southern Spain has rejected an appeal from Muslims for the right to pray in the city's cathedral, a former mosque.

Juan Jose Asenjo rejected the request made by Spain's Islamic Board...

The bishop said such a move would not contribute to the peaceful co-existence between people of different religions...

Shared use of places of worship could make sense in airports or an Olympic village, said the bishop, but not in a consecrated Catholic cathedral.

Spain's Islamic Board, which represents a community of some 800,000 in a traditional Catholic country of 44 million, argued in its plea to the Pope that such a move in Cordoba could serve to "awake the conscience" of followers of both faiths and help bury past confrontations... The board's general secretary, Mansur Escudero, said Muslims came from around the world to see Cordoba's cathedral.

But security guards often stopped Muslim worshippers from praying inside the old mosque, he added.

The Cordoba mosque was turned into a Catholic cathedral in the 13th Century after the city was conquered by King Ferdinand III in the war to drive the Moors from the Iberian peninsula.

Obviously, Zombie is a 'Qana Holocaust Denier'. That is the True Holocaust, unlike the Fake Holocaust that has been used as the excuse for the creation of the Zionist Entity. You see, the TRVTH is that, at Qana, the Entity has systematically killed millions thousands hundreds a whole bunch of people through their magical Joo powers. They have these missiles that blow holes in ambulances without leaving any burn marks, and sever legs without spewing blood. How does it work? Simple. The leftover gentile blood from the Passover matzohs is used to make the magical explosives! Haven't you idiots read the Protocols?

Zombie's denials of the truth of the Qana Holocaust are just what one expects from a member of the Zionist conspiracy. Notice how Zombie and Zionist both start with Z? Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

/Qana Truther

#47 Chicken Kiev

Jan Subert, A spokesman for the Czech counterintelligence service, the BIS, said that terrorism apparently was not involved.

"From what we know, the incident had nothing to do with terrorism," he said.

I get a laugh at the extreme denial here.

"Nothing wrong here folks, just a poor misplaced youth who claimed to have an explosive devise who wanted to highjack the plane"

"Nope, no terrorism here folks, in fact, this incident had nothing to do with terrorism"

/sarc

Unreal!

I stand awed and humbled, Zombie. You are amazing.

Zombie, excellent rebuttal, and I think you give too much up in terms of conceding the potential veracity of the first person testimony of those who are trained and raised to lie about Israel to suit their purposes.

Good work Zombie. I've got an idea for your next project; try to prove the existence of someone that doesn't!

Still reading it - excellent - but small nitpick: 4 meters is 13 feet.

zombie, you da man! No, wait... you da woman! Aw, heck. You da person of indeterminate gender!

#43 lawhawk:

The HRW really isn't interested in the facts or truth

Or even consistency.

Zombie rules!

Maybe the Isrealis have perfected the use of Swamp Gas?

I know - a UFO piloted by Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster using a mass accelerator weapon (stolen by aliens from Halliburton's skunk works) did the ambulance and PINNED THE BLAME ON THE ISRAELIS!

/sarc off

An eight year old with a limited knowledge of videogames would tell you this ain't possible, HRW....

Great job zombie!

It is sad though, when people looking to set the record straight, who have a unquenchable thirst for the truth ( zombie, Charles ), are up against truly Evil people, who from the very beginning, are commited to lying, at any and all cost, and have 99% of the msm promoting their lies and deceptions, to find fault with Israel (HRW)!

Zombie,

excellent analysis, but I am afraid you've failed to consider that this was a toy missile......

Jewelers see veiled threat

MUMBAI (Reuters Life!) - Women wearing the burqa and other face-concealing veils could be banned from jewelry stores in a west Indian city after a spate of thefts involving burqa-clad customers, jewelers said on Thursday.

More than a dozen thefts have occurred in jewelry shops in Pune in Maharashtra state in the past two months, with at least three cases of women wearing burqas spotted by surveillance cameras as they stole gold ornaments.

"Police could not find any clue about the women's identity because their faces were covered," Fatehchand Ranka, head of the Maharashtra Jewelers' Association, told Reuters.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
al Reuters story?

Wonderful job zombie. Here's a tip for the future. Start researching the now virtually unknown but previously famous Acme Phazer. Human rights watch will, to be sure, attempt to refute your refutation and is rumored to have it's creative department working on "Project Marvin" to explain the IDF's nefarious and intentional destruction of ambulance's and their contents.

As always, people who care get the truth out into the open. Interesting op-ed from Pipes this morning along the lines of the self-hatred, etc. of guys like Soros: [Link: www.jpost.com...]

#61 ec marm

Jewelers see veiled threat

MUMBAI (Reuters Life!) - Women wearing the burqa and other face-concealing veils could be banned from jewelry stores in a west Indian city after a spate of thefts involving burqa-clad customers, jewelers said on Thursday.

More than a dozen thefts have occurred in jewelry shops in Pune in Maharashtra state in the past two months, with at least three cases of women wearing burqas spotted by surveillance cameras as they stole gold ornaments.

"Police could not find any clue about the women's identity because their faces were covered," Fatehchand Ranka, head of the Maharashtra Jewelers' Association, told Reuters.

If the store owners were allowed to have firearms behind their counters, it would be really easy for them to identify who the thieves are, because they'd be laying prostrate and cold on the floor, which would make identification easy.

It would also lower the future crime rate!

Still reading it - one other little thing: this phrase of theirs is absurd:

saline humidity

There's no such thing. Salt soesn't have a measurable vapor pressure at 100 degrees. They're just making crap up.

#15 Ed...

George Soros is a big funder of HRW.

Terrific piece, Zombie. You're one of the treasures of the blogosphere.

Human Rights Watch trusts that, now that the truth has been demonstrated, these armchair deniers...

Trying to leverage the Holocaust, are we?

#1 Pastorius

Reon Kadena is a Japanese "model"? Well, kinda.

The more I read about "hrw" at Discover the Networks, the more I realize that their sole purpose, is to condemn Israel and the USA.

That is all they do, and that is all they have ever done!

Well, HRW, Zombie's reply is gonna HURT. OUCH!

Zombie nailed it yet again.

So tell me, WHY ISN't Zombie listed as a contender for this year's anti-idiotarian award again?

Congratulations Zombie! Wooot!

Great work Zombie.

Keep going.

Fantastic job Zombie!
That was a great eye opening read!
Well done.

Those evil Zionists and their damned magical disintegrating missiles that explode and don't explode at the same time.

Something tells me that Z was up all night with this, and is crashing now. In a few hours, we may be graced with an appearance.

Great job, Zombie; it's hard to prove a negative, but as far as I'm concerned, it's not your burden to prove that it didn't happen, it's HRW et al's burden to prove that it did. They haven't done that.

I remember getting into an argument with one of our trolls (JMV?) over burden of proof. The troll insisted that institutions are presumed correct, because they're "professional" (yadda, yadda). Needless to say, that's nonsense. Any credibility that they may have once accumulated is all forfeited when they get caught in a lie.

Memo to lefty MSM defenders: it wasn't the crime that brought Nixon down, it was the cover-up. 'Member?

Let's not fall into the mindset of insisting that HRW must be wrong just because we want to believe that they are wrong. (That would put us in the same league as the "Truthers" who keep trying to invent 9-11 conspiracy theories as a rationalization for their own paranoid distrust of their own country.)

HRW has an advantage in that they can and did do an on-the-scene investigation, something zombie is obviously unequipped to do. And the fact that they found blast damage under and near the ambulances is something we had not known about before. I commend HRW for having seriously investigated zombietime's allegations, rather than just dismissing them out of hand. At the same time, zombie is correct that HRW still hasn't "proved" their case beyond a reasonable doubt. But I think that level of certainty is impossible in wartime anyway.

I think that the entire "instant replay" aspect of modern journalistic coverage of war is asinine. In the "fog of war," instant analysis of alleged "war crimes" is impossible; the mass media and the public should just accept that in war, "s**t happens," and allow a serious investigation to go forward at a deliberate pace, instead of attempting to call each move in real time like sports commentators covering a football game in progress.

History has shown that even the "good guys" in a war can screw up horribly--America included. That doesn't necessarily detract from the basic rightness of their cause, however, which is the real issue in the Lebanon War and just about every other war.

A fine job, Zombie, I expected nothing less from you. Thank you! I am finding it truly amazing at the MSM censorship of any reports sympathetic to the Jews, while broadcasting unfactual reports pulmigated by Islamic terrorist. The MSM has come to realise that its support of Islam terrorism might be bringing on a "confidence crises". When the MSM anchor blathers on about the Jews attacking civilian targets, but the video in the background shows terrorist rockets being fired from civilian buildings and villages, the viewer is placed in the position of having to decide "Do I believe the words these idiots are saying, or should I believe the video showing in the background, refuting the words being spoken by the news anchor?" Unfortunately for the MSM, viewers are inclined to believe what they see with their own eyes. To the MSM, your stories do not match reality, the majority of the American public no longer believes you. Rioting and killing over some friggin cartoons is not cultural insensitivity of the west, it it is the intolorance of the "religion of peace". The internet blogs may yet be the savior of western democracy. It sure as hell isn't the MSM.

#77 Right Side

You really are an idiot, aren't you? Did you actually read Zombie's piece before you wrote that? Or did you just decide that hrw et al are authority figures, therefore they must be right?

No one proved, with any credible evidence, that Israel did any of this damage. Israel denies it. Why isn't that enough? Why do you feel so inclined to accept the assetions of of these shady NGOs above the word of the State of Israel?

/I smell antisemitism.

Uber kudos, Zombie, hon. You totally rock.

Hi paw! Two claws up!

Huah! Make HRW grovel

I continue to be amazed. One Zombie versus all those HRWs - no contest.

George Soros is not just a rich, deluded and evil Jew, he's an incompetent Jew supporting a gang of even more incompetent idiots at HRW.

The Spike Missile videos clinch their idiocy for me.

Hey George, when ya gonna fire the assholes at HRW? All your money can't buy you out of being the world's biggest laughing stock!

#25 - wouldn't the air vent have been blown to pieces? how could it have been recovered? Iowahawk, indeed.

#81 ErislDysnomia

Indeed. His return on investment from moonbat left groups is laughable. MoveOn really bought him a lot, didn't it?

#43 lawhawk:

The HRW really isn't interested in the facts or truth here. They'd much rather believe that mystery weapons that not only can't be verified, but do not exist, were responsible for the attacks.

If HRW weren't interested in the facts or truth, then they wouldn't have taken the time and effort to send investigators to Lebanon to try to investigate zombietime's claims. They were clearly stung by his allegations and wanted to show they weren't part of any hoax. HRW may still be technically wrong, but you can't use this incident to suggest they are nefarious.

One of the reasons all the facts can't be verified is that Israel is keeping the details of its armed drones secret. To this day it has not officially admitted that armed drones were even used in the Lebanon War, despite the fact that Aviation Week Magazine (with its usual excellent off-the-record sources) verified this and I forwarded a copy of the report to zombie. For Israel to conduct a full public investigation would entail revealing things about the capabilities of their weapons that they obviously don't want revealed.

But all kinds of weird things can happen in wartime situations. I remember the time in the Gulf War that a U.S. tank commander claimed to have knocked out two Iraqi tanks with one shell. That seems implausible at first glance too. But a subsequent investigation showed that U.S. tank fire was so deadly that the shell passed right through the first Iraqi tank (causing it to explode), and then came out the other side and luckily plowed into a second Iraqi tank (causing it to explode too). It was a freak lucky break for that U.S. tank.

And then there was the perfectly shaped Christian cross found in the wreckage of Ground Zero after 9-11: The explosion had miraculously fused two separate steel beams together, driving one thru the other to form a perfect Christian cross.

I'm not going to get into this mode of insisting that HRW must be wrong just because we believe in the rightness of Israel's cause. There is no contradiction between the rightness of Israel's cause and the possibility that a couple of civilian ambulances were mistakenly targeted. That's the real issue that we need to keep explaining to the public, over and over again. One mistake does not besmirch the honor of a nation in a whole war.

#77 Right Side

And the fact that they found blast damage under and near the ambulances

Blast damage "under" the ambulances, but not "in" the ambulances.

Right Side, please pull your head out of your ass before it's too late.

/the moon landings were fake because they're no stars in the photographs

As always Zombie, quite amazing. Thank you.

Until now, the media has relied on decades of accrued organizational trustworthiness to bolster any unverifiable statements they may make -- as revealed in the old phrase, "If it's in the newspaper, it must be true."

an affliction with which the elder democrat members of my family are completely diseased with...well it was in the newspaper. BFD, i say to them!

#82 KathyP

If you recall, one of the big questions surrounding the initial report was the unlikelyness of a missile hitting dead center in the middle of the red cross on the roof. The blogosphere very quickly determined that that hole in the middle was where the vent went. So in this addendum report, they very conveniently find this reminent of a vent, with a missile hole dead center in the middle! It just gets weirder and weirder.

Damn, those Jews are good shots......

#84 Right Side

If HRW weren't interested in the facts or truth, then they wouldn't have taken the time and effort to send investigators to Lebanon to try to investigate zombietime's claims.

Mr. Rogers: "Children, can anyone think of reasons why HRW would want to "investigate" Zombie's claims, without being interested in "the truth?"

Timmy: "I can, Mr. Rogers! Pick me!"

MR: Ok Timmy, let's hear it.

T: "Mr. Rogers, HRW was embarrassed and wants to use their station to force more propaganda up the asses of the American public!"

MR: How nice, Timmy! Anyone else?

82, no the vent would not of been blown to pieces. What you would see would be a rather large entrance hole of the missle. Instead the hole is something like the size of 7.62 MM, the same as an AK-47 round. It must be wonderful to be a terrorist and the media believes every frickin word you say.

Somebody would rather spout off than actually read and digest what Zombie wrote.......

#87- Earth2moonbat
My point exactly. I read the first report. As for MSM, just how dumb...oh never mind.

#89 LoFlyer

The question remains, they must have been unbelievably good shots to not only get it dead center in the middle of the cross, but dead center in the middle of the vent.

Anyone want to calculate the odds?

#79 Earth2Moonbat:

Did you actually read Zombie's piece before you wrote that? Or did you just decide that hrw et al are authority figures, therefore they must be right?

No one proved, with any credible evidence, that Israel did any of this damage. Israel denies it. Why isn't that enough?

I read everything zombie wrote.

I maintain that someone who does an on-the-scene investigation, like HRW, can't be dismissed out of hand. I also don't believe in ad hominem attacks. No matter what you think of the MSM or HRW, each such report has to be judged on its merits. And sometimes they happen to get it right; when the MSM said we weren't winning the war in Iraq, we conservatives dismissed it out of hand, which was disastrous because they turned out to be right, as Bush has just admitted.

As for why Israel's denials aren't enough, I can be a patriotic American and a proud supporter of Israel, while at the same time being sophisticated enough to understand that a) all governments, America and Israel included, make horrible mistakes in wars--any wars; and b) all governments, America and Israel included, aren't going to admit things that would involve giving away closely guarded military secrets (like the exact capabilities of Israeli armed drones, which Israel doesn't yet officially admit were even used in Lebanon).

What does bother me is not the accusations but the MSM's hysteria over them. There is a childlike petulance that says that as soon as even one civilian gets killed in war, then Israel or the U.S. is horribly guilty and the war can no longer be justified. If everybody would just adopt the attitude that "s**t happens," then accusations like these wouldn't carry the weight they don't deserve to carry.

And most importantly, there is a vast difference between being a supporter of Israel (or America) and being a sycophant. Failure of conservatives in the U.S. to raise questions of Bush's conduct of the Iraq War, and to offer constructive criticism and insist it be considered by Bush, led us to the mess in Iraq that we are currently in. Being a cheerleader for a cause adds nothing to the cause. Being an intelligent watchdog can add a whole lot.

#94 Right Side

I read everything zombie wrote.

Ok.

I maintain that someone who does an on-the-scene investigation, like HRW, can't be dismissed out of hand.

You just contradicted your first statement. This was not "out of hand". If you're going to dispute Zombie's rebuttal, be specific, and don't just say that hrw is right because they have connections with Hezbollah people "on the ground".

Let's have a specific point-by-point rebuttal. Oh yeah, and btw, you never explained how eliminating US demand for oil was going to stop Eurasia from buying oil. You have a lot of things to explain.

#94 Right Side

I maintain that someone who does an on-the-scene investigation, like HRW, can't be dismissed out of hand. I also don't believe in ad hominem attacks. No matter what you think of the MSM or HRW, each such report has to be judged on its merits

Right Side, Zombie's pages and pages of essay qualify as the exact antithesis of "dismissing out of hand" the HRW report. Dismissing out of hand is illustrated at the cartoon in this link, a link you should become familiar with.

I've judged the HRW report on its merit: it is without merit.

By the way, Right Side, who do you work for? Soros or HRW? Inquiring minds want to know, as your propaganda is too good for an amateur.

Kudos to Zombie for his fine work, in spite of which HRW continues to claim that Israel targeted and destroyed ambulences.

I say fine. If Israel is to be accused of such acts they should embrace the character of the libel and proclaim to the world that they will no longer be bound by any constraint of decency. The next provocation will result in unmitigated destruction, death and mayhem. Let the dogs of war loose and damn the consequences. Israel will not be respected in world opinion in any event, so they should instead see to instill pristine fear.

#100 ErislDysnomia

That's my schitck. Bah.

And yes, it be a troll. One of the cleverer ones, but not clever enough.

93 E2M, weird stuff happens in battle. In navel battles, shells seem to have a way of finding weakly protected armor much to the dismay of the crew. Just look at the Bismark and the loss of the Hood. It was an extremely lucky shot that sunk the Hood. And a lucky torpedo hit on the Bismarks rudder ultimately led to her defeat. So great shooting does occur in battle. However in this case, a missle strike on the vent would have left physical damage to the mounting points of the vent as it was ripped off the roof. The much more plausible explanation is that the terrorists removed the vent and shot it at point blank range. The documentary "Palliwood" details the operational procedures of a similar operation.

I hereby declare the HRW "report" in the same league as the "reports" published here.

#84, Rightside. I came across a reportedly fool proof test for assessing the difference between baby shit and apple butter. Why don't to take it? From your comments above, the test might not be fool proof after all. The scientists who developed the test apparently did not factor in self deluding fools.

#102 Earth2moonbat 12/28/2006 10:24AM PST

#100 ErislDysnomia

That's my schitck. Bah.

And yes, it be a troll. One of the cleverer ones, but not clever enough.

Ah yes, but the rules of thought dysfunction at the page I linked to might actually be instructive to Mr. Right Ass, as he violates many of them.

#103 LoFlyer

However in this case, a missle strike on the vent would have left physical damage to the mounting points of the vent as it was ripped off the roof.

Which gets to the other problem, which is that (does anyone have the hi-rez photo from the ICRC?) most of the screw holes were intact, and the area around was rusty. Not what you would expect from those circumstances, but Zombie laid all of that out in the initial report.

Mr Right Side Ass:

Also review the issues surrounding logical fallacy.

Most of the people here know these issues well, so in presenting your risible "arguments" you may as well be trying to sell Judaism to the worshipers in a Mosque.

Somebody doesn't seem to be able to distinguish between the quality of this and this.

#105, rightside appears to be a left winged shitbird wearing rather thin camoflage. Brings to mind the term "feather merchant".

#109 Earth2moonbat

Somebody doesn't seem to be able to distinguish between the quality of this and this.

You mean, physics (link) vs. fizzics (link.)

Note to specific MSM journalists (you know who you are...or perhaps you don't)

There is such a thing as "science"...(look it up). It allows us to more successfully interact with nature. However, it requires "math" and "logic" (look them up). Obviously, little of you know of these things. Before placing fingers to keys, you might try a bit of study (for you, about 20 years or so of deep study might prove sufficient to bring you up to MIT freshman level).

'Til then, please, please don't try to explain , rocket attacks, WMDs, or anything behond spitballs and thumbtacks on chairs. You just don't have the ability.

Rightside, has it occured to you that although the NGO investigators were onsite and investigating the issue immediately afterwords, that the only people still on site were Hazbollah operatives, all non-combatants having wisely left the scene after seeing the rocket launches and the Israeli announcement of imminent retaliation. The HRW will not investigate the background of the witnesses in question, nor can they verify the factuality of the witnesses statements. However Israel readily supplies video clips and arial photography showing the attacks clearly being launched from civilian buildings. Do you beleive your own eyes or do you believe a left wing NGO that over the years has clearly shown an anti-western democracy bias. A typical headline, "HRW accueses the US of Gitmo torture, praises North Korean progress in human rights". or "UN elects Libya to chair the UN's abuse of human rights comittee."

#110 gymnast

My guess is Buchananite. But lefty is also a possibility.

Attag...personofindeterminentgender.

Well done Z.

It appears to me that somebody at HRW took the name of the SPIKE missile literally, and assumed that it was a discarding sabot type of penetrator.

It is not, nor are there any other air launched missiles that use that type of warhead.

SPIKE, like almost all air-launched anti-armor weapons, is a shaped-charge warhead, (in SPIKEs case, multiple warheads).

There are no known weapons that would cause the multiple types of damage shown in those ambulance photos, without leaving considerably more blast evidence, and far less recognizable of that ambulance.

...and those two holes in the road? A jackhammer is the only way to make holes like that, without buckling and lifting the pavement around the holes.

If those holes are such an important piece of evidence for HRW, why didn't they show up in the first reports and photos?

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Rightside: Are you sure you wanted to blow your trollcover on this particular story? You must be expendable...

GREAT
SCHEME,
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#115 Render

Rightside: Are you sure you wanted to blow your trollcover on this particular story? You must be expendable...

I think it grossly underestimated Zombie's credibility.

Se la queer.....

Pimf - guerre

Zombie,

You need to turn this into a book, giving wider dissemination.

The Zombie Infidel

They seek him here, they seek her there;
Those moonbats seek it everywhere.
Is he in heav’n? Is she in hell?
That unknown-gendered infidel!

He photographs the leftist freaks;
She documents Islamist geeks.
It walks among the living dead,
A price upon its unknown head.

He looks like them, she talks like them,
And yet it’s really stalking them.
When they convene, they prance and preen;
They’ve no idea by whom they’re seen.

Here zombie comes, there zombie goes,
But its ID no human knows.
Is he from heav’n? Is she from hell?
That fearless zombie infidel!

His photos, now, are seen on Fox;
Her subjects, now, the audience mocks.
It’s zombietime, let peal the bell!
That peerless zombie infidel!

He analyzes media fraud;
She leaves her readers overawed.
It spells the propagandists’ doom,
By blogging in its living room.

He now uncloaks the Red Cross hoax;
She lays it bare with masterstrokes.
It’s zombietime, let forth a yell!
That tireless zombie infidel!

A renegade from Moonbatland,
He’s seen the light; she’s made her stand.
It toils in anonymity,
And posts the truth for all to see.

Its website in the blogosphere
Brings hope to some; to others, fear.
Depictions of Muhammad’s face,
Although haraam, still “grace” the place.

The sons of Allah whine and seethe,
But zombie still does live and breathe.
It’s zombietime, for ev’r shall dwell
The timeless zombie infidel.

It's apparent to me that the peace-loving Palestinian ambulance was hit by an Infidel Zionist Rust Bomb™.

My favorite part - the holes in the asphalt.

I wonder how that happened? :)

Thanks for the work zombie.

"Until now, the media has relied on decades of accrued organizational trustworthiness to bolster any unverifiable statements they may make --"

That "trust" is gone for those who seek the truth.

"as revealed in the old phrase, "If it's in the newspaper, it must be true."

I was raised on "Don't believe everything you read"...what is it..."none of what I hear and half of what I see" now? I think some people must imagine some all-powerful "truth-machine" behind that ink on paper, when really, it had to start in someone person's head and then get transcribed to letter.

"But the media has in recent years begun to lose its credibility; in order to regain readers' trust, they need to carefully document and verify any news stories that are potentially disputable or are politically sensitive."

...a good thing...

and as far as HRW goes: liars lie

119- Winslow Leach, the composer-

A++ composition

#94 Right Side 12/28/2006 10:14AM PST

And sometimes they happen to get it right; when the MSM said we weren't winning the war in Iraq, we conservatives dismissed it out of hand, which was disastrous because they turned out to be right, as Bush has just admitted.

Sorry to go OT here, but I felt the need to point out that this statement is incorrect. He never said we were losing the war in Iraq. What you are referencing is one of MANY misquotes of the President in order to make him, or the war, look bad. I point you to the article which said he said we were losing the war, along with the complete audio track of the interview. If you actually listen, you will notice he never says anything like you seem to think he said.

The article:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

The audio:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Don't help the spreading of lies. Make the truth plain to see, for all who can't take the time to search for it like some of us can.

Poor George Soros.

He is a dictator without a country.

#121 Catttt

You know the drill.......

#125 hous bin pharteen

I hear Cuba's going to have a vacancy coming up.

119 Winslow Leach, the composer 12/28/2006 11:28AM PST

The Zombie Infidel

Excellent! I noticed this can be sung to the tune of "I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day."

Well Hell people, it was obviously one of those sooper sekrit Jooooo missiles that punched a hole in the roof by kinetic energy (being perfectly inert) then partly exploded to sever and cauterize the guys leg (being a shaped charge), Then - and this is the really clever Joooo bit, IT STOPPED EXPLODING AND ACCELERATED TO PUNCH A HOLE THROUGH THE BOTTOM OF THE AMBULANCE AND THE ROAD. Then it disintegrated, leaving no remains.
Makes perfect sense to me!

Excellent job as always Zombie, especially given that you're actually a really huge cat from that photo :)

Excellent lyrics 119, Winslow. I hope Zombie reads the post. I know he will appreciate your lyrics. Not real good with peoms or lyrics or rhymes myself, so I am in envy of those who can. My true hero is Iawahawk and his hilarious satire.

#127 earth2moonbat

Yes. Maybe he can buy a few poor Cubans off to join his Army.

Might have to get a wig if he wants to be plastered all over t-shirts at Bezerkly like ol' Che. Bald old guys don't have as much sex appeal.
He probably slept with Barbara Walters already so thats a plus on his side.

#131 hous bin pharteen

He probably slept with Barbara Walters already so thats a plus on his side.

Viagra's amazing stuff, ain't it?

#132 earth2moonbat

So is a paper bag!

So fed up with this.
The Palestinians demolished the ambulances out of pure carelessness and total lack of respect for the humanitarian aid they get. When they were gonna get inspected, they covered up the mess, the filched items, the stripped out radios, gear, and so forth - anything for sale and then claimed the IDF wrecked the ambulances with missles!. A two-fer! They covered up their petty larceny and put the blame on IDF.
HRW didn't look at anything, they just wrote a rebuttal - all semantics, parsing, no photos, no inspection notes, no measurements, no burn marks. Researchers, my butt! They'd rather blame the IDF, not the maggots who take donated ambulances meant to transport ill and injured to the hospital (think women and children) and use them to transport fighters. HRW doesn't want to acknowledge the truth, that the Palestinians are abusing the aid, in fact despise it, and despise the aid givers.
Zombie has the patience of a saint to have gone back to rebutt the willfully blind asses at HRW.

Excellent work Zombie!
Based solely on the sheetmetal damage and rust, the HRW report doesn't wash. The rust pictured in the initial "Red Cross Ambulance Incident" report is obviously more than a week or two old. Experience gained from decades of poking around junkyards validates your observation;

"The presence of rust on every part of the roof where the paint has been scratched away proves that the damage to the metal happened long before July 23 -- most likely several months earlier, or more."

And, among other things, where’s all the broken glass from the missing side windows?

The whole incident seems to be very poorly staged...

One (more) comment about that street and the holes. The street section, (the expanse in the photo) was swept clean. There is no rubble of any sort, no papers, no pebbles evident in the photograph. Swept. The tarmac is smooth and practically pristine, and essentially, from the nice flat surface all about, untouched by trauma.
Where's the trash of everyday life? Candy wrappers? Anything? These towns do not have the anti-litter police/fines like the US does. It gets grubby. Where's the rubble from the holes? Maybe it had to be swept to get rid of the drilling debris. Did the usual suspects give any explanation for why it was cleaned up for the photo?

HRW belongs to the Mike Nifong (of Duke notoriety) category.

Damn the evidence. Full speed ahead with the condemnation!