Where to start?

Morning Charles.

Happy New Year

That was weirod.
At one point while refreshing, all I got was a blank screen with a single question mark in the upper left hand corner.

Strange way to start the new year

Charles,

First of all, Happy New Year !

Secondly, thanks for the explantion.

Did they label Kos a Leftist Blog...to be fair?

The NY Times Slimes Again!

NYT = LAZY FUCKING JOURNALISM

Er, "explanation."

I heard it was an okay movie. The ending was kinda of sudden. :)

Sure, no hanging dictators, but give away secrets that keep us safe. That's a tough one.

Geez, what a way to start the year. I guess the New York Times wants to win the Fiskie and is getting a head start.

How 'bout PuffHo, they're a Leftists Blog also...

And the DU?
I think they're actually a Marxist Blog...

the NYT is a bunch of hard working journalists dedicated to bringing the truth to light!

/sarc

Bitch-slappin' the NYT! What a wonderful way to start the year!

The nyt needs to get over themselves. The video was hardly graphic. And Saddam was treated to many more "niceties" both in life and in death than he deserved. The msm is just pissed that they no longer control the news and they screwed up by not airing it. Maybe, they were worried about a leftard backlash? Aren't they still in mourning about the execution of the mass murderer?

It wasn't even long enough to enjoy a bag of popcorn.

Happy New Years Charles and Lizards!

Earlier this morning a certain New York Times reporter by the name of Burns was being interviewed by CNN. Mr Burns was outraged and saddened by Saddam's demise. CNN was mutually sympathetic. Mr. Burns appearance and hair style could appeared to match his mental faculties. Bizarre and disheveled.

It's not nice to fact-check the Old Gray Lady. But it's a great way to start the year!

No national American television organization has thus far allowed the moment of the drop to be shown.

And therein is the reason why the legacy media is dying. People aren't interested in only what the High Priests of the MSM are willing to allow us to see. We are able to make decisions like this for ourselves, thank you very much. Now that the means are availible we no longer need our betters in the media to think for us.

It must be so hard for them to no longer be able to control which news is fit to print.

It's all about relativism isn't it? See, take a slap at this "conservative" blog (which we all know is a misnomer anyway) for hosting an execution video because we should all know that we're no better than the jihadis with their snuff videos on the net, are we? Er... too bad LGF didn't actually host the friggin' video...

Happy new year, everyone.

Where's Cognito to remind us the NYT's intentions were good?

Hello snuff-seeking NYT readers! The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy now has your IP address! You may notice Lizards in green trenchcoats watching your house from now on. Do not fear, they are there for your own good!

Conservative blog?

I thought we were a hate site?

Will someone make up my mind.

NYT resolution for 2007 -- This year, let's accurately report what we observe, even when we don't like what we see.

Or as we used to say - Right Back Atcha.
In this case - Right Back THROUGHYA! Courtesy of Charles and LGF.

-S-

I actually just went to the NY Times to click on the link to LGF to see what happens. It just takes you directly to Google Video. Charles, why not take at shot at the NY Times before transferring visitors to Google Video? Nothing nasty, but point out the error.

No big shock about NYT. Speaking of something
barely worthy as toilet paper I watched
"Super Size Me" last night for the first time
(On MSNBC.)
Morgan Spurlock must have graduated from the
Michael Moore Film School of B.S. & Half-
Truths.

#24 Mike Z as in Jersey

NYT resolution for 2007 -- This year, let's accurately report what we observe, even when we don't like what we see.

Shortest life span of a New Years resolution in recorded history.

The same ones who hate the fact that Saddam is hanged would celebrate a conservative's death. Screw 'em.

It's a new year, but the MSM is still stuck in the 60's & 70'2.

Good job Charles.

Speaking of the New York Times

The NYT reminds me of a little kid on a playground tossing insults at his playmates. Spoiled brat.

These bozos would mourn Hitler's death.

Abu Maven: you're right -- I removed the redirect so that people who click the NYT link will see this post.

Problem is, there are so many NYT-reading snuff seekers that it's acting almost like a DoS attack.

#22 itellu3times

Dagnabit. Now you've done it! Do you have any idea how much harder it will be to keep track of them now that they know we're onto them?

Morning Charles and Happy New Year!
Looks like business as usual at the NYT - no fact checking, not even a cursory look at our site and we get blasted.
Fuck the NYT.
BTW, I don't suppose there's anyway you can e-mail this idjit and the NYT's Ombudsman about the deliberate lack of fact checking, is there?

Charles, please tell me you are not going to waste 2007 fact-checking the New York Times. There are better things to do in life, like take beach photos, and ride your bike un-Godly miles around California.

The New York Times is really pissed because they weren't a finalist in this years Fiskie Award selection. Their ego is crushed in that they were merely an anonymous part of the MSM nominee and even lumped in with that crowd of journalistic felons, they couldn't hang on for a coat-tail win. By next year, the times may have followed Saddam Hussein to perdition and permanently lost it's chance.

Did Carter even look at our site before writing that, or was he going for the cheap smear based entirely on hearsay—or imagination?

We are talking the NYTimes, as such, just guessing, I'd say Mr. Carter wrote the story from material gathered and passed from the on high, ivory-closeted editorial staff.

#21 daughter of patriots

I was wondering that, myself. Here, coggy......bite the bait........

TO: Charles Johnson
RE: Never Fear

"Did Carter even look at our site before writing that, or was he going for the cheap smear based entirely on hearsay?" -- Charles Johnson

The NYT has 'editors'!

They couldn't possibly have let a foul-up like that pass through their vaunted system of management. /sarcasm

What a bunch of bozos in that bus[iness].

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Believe half of what you see and only a tenth of what you read in the Press. Except for the NYT....then don't believe more than 1% of it. And that part is the Weather.]

It might be a good idea to redirect to something else entirely. NYT readers are going to click NYT link label "LGF" and unless they're paying attention they are going to think they're the LGF hosted version of the execution.
Send them to Dkos, CAIR, the IDF website or something.

Maybe all those layers of editors and fact-checkers at the New York Times took the elevators down to Times Square last night instead of sitting at their desks and doing their jobs.

Or maybe they're still suffering from their Jayson Blair hangover.

Remember it's not the fall that kills ya.....it's the sudden stop!

Well, at least they admitted LGF is a prominent site.

Does the NYT just write something that someone tells them or do they just make the story from whole cloth? It happens over and over.

The 'nicety' of their reporting resulted in an absolutely incorrect version of what happened. They described the hanging as a "solemn" affair and Hussein as "compliant". Well, he was compliant but without that grainy video, we would not know of the heckling and his response.

They can't get anything right.

For crying out loud. Drudge had it. Why single out LGF?

See! You really can make this stuff up.

BBC reports on Saddam's hanging with deep sobbing sympathy:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

... One of the witnesses managed to get a mobile phone into the execution chamber, and recorded the entire event, from the time when Saddam is brought into the chamber, his hands and feet shackled, to the moment when his body is hanging lifeless at the end of the rope.

It is shocking, of course. But the most shocking thing about it is the sound.

Far from being a quiet and dignified business, the new video shows that several of the witnesses taunted Saddam during the last seconds of his life, chanted the name of one of his many enemies, and told him he was going to hell.

Altogether, the execution as we now see it is shown to be an ugly, degrading business, which is more reminiscent of a public hanging in the 18th Century than a considered act of 21st Century official justice...

The key passage on the video-tape comes after the official version was cut off.

As Saddam stands there on the trapdoor, with the noose being tightened around his neck by one of the four executioners, their faces covered by balaclavas, the shouting starts up among the group of official witnesses.

At first you can hear a Shia version of an Islamic prayer being called out.

Saddam Hussein was, of course, a Sunni Muslim, and all this was unquestionably intended as a sectarian insult...

Saddam is not intimidated by any of this, and repeats Moqtada Sadr's name disdainfully, as if to say he doesn't count for very much.

Then his gruff, rasping voice can be heard saying to the onlookers "Is this manly behaviour?"

But someone calls out "You're going to hell." ...

Saddam Hussein scarcely has an instant to collect his thoughts. He starts to mutter a prayer, but just as he speaks the name Muhammad, the chief hangman pulls the lever and the trapdoor opens.

With terrible, shocking force, Saddam's body plunges into the drop.

His death must have been virtually instantaneous.

The next image shows him hanging, clearly dead.

Even the onlookers sound shocked as they chant their prayers....

#34 Charles
good idea.

#34 Charles - forget my suggestion in #36; I think you and Abu Maven have the right idea. If the NYT won't fact check it's own butt when reporting about LGF, I see nothing wrong with, much less anything like a DOS attack by directing their viewers to the truth.

I guess the "Bring Back Saddam" crowd are pretty bummed about this. I really hat that for them.

Well, even though it is an inaccurate description, I guess "conservative" is better than calling LGF what many idiotarian blogs call LGF: anti-Muslim/anti-Islam, etc. But it is interesting to note that the Dhimmedia refers to blogs which support the war and expose the threat of Islamism as "conservative". Shows that they know that liberals and progressives do not support the war and are cluless about the threat of Islamism.

Anyway, it is pretty obvious that they singled out LGF for a reason, but hey, it seems to have given LGF more traffic and if more people discover LGF through this ignoramus, then I think that's great!

Personally, I have seen the video actually posted at The Jawa Report and I believe at Hot Air. So it's pretty obvious that the NYT, for some reason, went out of its way to target LGF, or they simply heard through word of mouth that it was posted here, did their usual piss-poor job of fact checking and then ran with the inaccurate story. No surprise there.

But, to try to stay on the positive note, this seems to at least have brought more people to discover LGF. That can only be a good thing in many cases. I know my discovery of LGF a couple years ago was a huge awakening for me and I have learned SO much from Charles as well as the many commenters here with their links and wealth of info and knowledge.

I'm now redirecting NYT visitors to this page, instead of the front page, so they'll be sure to see the slapdown. It should also help with the DoS effect, since there isn't so much data to serve.

#41 Chuck Pelto

[Believe half of what you see and only a tenth of what you read in the Press. Except for the NYT....then don't believe more than 1% of it. And that part is the Weather.]

That's what we have Ed of the many names for.

So basically the NYT is unnecessary, and totally irrelevant.

I'm sort of ambivalent about this one. On one hand, it is publicity and you know the old maxim about just spelling your name right. On the other hand, I didn't see any outrage from the NYT when CNN ran that terrorist supplied "news clip" of US soldiers being shot at or any of the dozens upon dozens of snuff videos supplied by their heroes, the Islamic Nazis.

NY Times? Is that the same NY Times that waxed poetic about the "courage" of one of its photographers embedded with Islamist snipers, with graphic descriptions of how those snipers killed our servicemen? The same NY Times that displayed graphic photoes of IED explosions shredding our servicemen in tanks and Humvees? The same NY Times that showed the graphic photos of the American contractors hung on that bridge?

NY Times, enemedia...ESAD!

what does this reporter say about CNN showing the sniper video of an American soldier? Nothing.

Why bother fact checking? That doesn't sell newspapers.
Breaking:

(2007-01-01) Cuban Premier Fidel Casto, in an attempt to allay rumors about his declining health, today donned his military uniform and appeared at a Havana demonstration introducing the latest car models.

[Link: paleo.wordpress.com...]

PIMF - "hat" = "hate"

Wah.

It's a joke, that the msm has shown for the past few years, the brutal, barbaric, ON VIDEO, in completion, or near completion, acts of the human butcher (Saddam), in which people were beheaded, shot, tortured, pushed off of roofs, beaten to death, kicked to death, but they are being "cautious" about what to show of Saddam's execution?

The msm has no problem, showing US soldiers killed by islamofacist snipers, they have no problems showing the innocents that Saddam and his sons have butchered over the years, but to show Saddam's execution, in a chopped up, deleted, "cautious" effort, just goes to show, that the msm indeed does side with brutal murderous human butchering dictators, and they could care less about the innocent human beings that have lost their lives to these islamofacist human butchers!

This is why I will never watch, listen, read anything of the msm ever again, and I will continue to boycott any and all of their advertisers!

I can get all the info I need on LGF, and LGF keeps me posted of the continual, ever growing dishonesty, spin, distortions and deceptions done, with full knowledge of their doing it, by the msm!

/spit

Thank you Charles, HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Happy New Year to ALL Lizards at LGF!

May your year ahead be Blessed and prosperous!

Not on my Top 100 Things To Do In 2007 list: watch a snuff video of a murderous dictator. Although it probably ranks pretty high on the lists of the NYT readers. I really cannot believe they have any credibility with anyone besides the KosKids any longer.

Charles,
You should be proud they mentioned you. Obviously LGF and the rest of the "conservative" blogs are getting under their skin. Kind of like a bad case of poison ivy that won't go away. The more they scratch the worse it gets.

No national American television organization has thus far allowed the moment of the drop to be shown.

Nor have they allowed the cartoons to be shown. The MSM self-censors in strange ways.

“delicate editorial decisions” my ass.

Same bullshit we heard from CNN on the sniper footage. "That decision, as well as the decision to build a piece around the sniper tape -- in fact, all the decisions about this story -- were subject to hours of intense editorial debate at the highest levels here at CNN."
These decisions took about ten seconds to make, only criteria was how much it could bolster our enemies.

Hey, look on the bright side:

At least LGF is getting noticed more and more by the MSM. Hopefully some of those folks who came to LGF looking for the Saddam video won't go away totally disappointed once they see all the other great stuff that LGF has to offer, and some of them may stick around.

Be thankful to the NYT for this bait-and-switch, something LGF would have considered it unethical to do itself.

TO: Charles Johnson
RE: The NYT

They've been liars and a threat to national security for years now. I don't understand why we put up with them.

Death to NYT!

May all its assets be seized and sold.

May its staff and management responsible for leaking national security information be arrested, tried and, if convicted, sentenced harshely.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[NYT, acronym, Not Yet Truthful.]

NY Slimes, to know them is to loath them. Leaking classified information is nice but showing justice isn't. They can kiss my foot.

Frogmarsh, re your post - when I began to read the Mme. Greenhouse bit I thought her tear up was probably caused by her inadvertently catching sight of herself in a mirror. That is one ugly creature; even warthogs are easier on the eye.

Poor, poor, poor NYT. Scooped again. I feel so sorry for them......NOT!

Near the top of his page DRUDGE has been posting a still of Saddam's dead face from the cell-camera video for two days now. Really creepy. The still, not Drudge...well, maybe both. ;-)

Happy New Year to you Mr. Johnson.

May your blessings be abundant.

Charles,

I can see what you mean about the virtual DOS effect. When I try to link to LGF from the NY Times article, I get the following message:

The page isn't redirecting properly
Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.

#63 Earth2moonbat,

But CNN was showing sniper snuff videos of Islamonazis shooting American troops.

Personally, I don't mind so much, anymore. It is good that the masks are off, and we can see who's side the enemedia are really on.

I wanna know whats with the "Mr" in front of Saddams name? Still trying to make him look like some average Joe off the street who was executed.

The NYT is going down and soon. Their sales sink lower and lower and it wont be long and im gonna point at them and laugh just before i kick them in their traitorous assess!

NYT-bunch of lousy Communist loving zipperheads.

Cognito's defense of selected MSM, AP, ect stories gives the impression that he has insinuated himself into LGF as an "MSM imbed". Or a combination Moby troll. I have yet to see him make the error of taking zombie on directly. His caution and manner of posting bears scrutiny. I have a feeling that "2020" and the poster going by the nic "number 12 imam" sit just a desk or two away from him.

n case the NYT didn't notice, the execution of Saddam Hussein was a "news event". They should have shown the entire video themselves though at this point no one will confuse the NYT of actually being a
source of news.

By the way, anyone here not seen the so-called "McGruder film" where JFK's head explodes and pieces of his brain can be seen flying from his skull? How many times has the NYT condemned the showing of that film, almost always being shown by the MSM.

On the birght side, thinkk of all the L3 heads that exploded when they linked to LFG and started reading other stuff.

Think yodelling and Mars Attack! Dang I need an image of that.

OT Somalia. Kismayo has fallen.Islamic terroist and Jihadis fleeing like they did in Mogidishu. They talk a good talk about Martyrdom but that is, apparently, for the other guy. The Abeed Kafir(black Christian slaves) as the Arabs call the Ethiopians continue to kick butt.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

It's also noting that Charles post a link to the video as a news worthy event, essentially saying, "here it is, watch it if you want. The NYT is much less honest about linking to the video under the guise of "look at the ugly 'conservatives' who linked to the video". The end result is the same, only lgf was honest about it.
It's like those "news" stories; "Are teens dressing too sexy? We'll show you the shocking new teen fashions after the break". It's just a cheap ploy to show stuff under the guise of moral supremacy.

NYTimes doesn't really care about "delicacy," obviously (see above about what they have put in their pages).

I also smell a waft of sour grapes. IMHO, they're sore because they and their comrades no longer have a lock on the news. Now, some guy with a cell phone in Iraq can trump them, in a few minutes, without even trying.

I didn't watch the video, but it's impossible to make a colorable argument it isn't newsworthy. Alleged New York Times scruples only cut one direction, ever. How many times did they run panties on heads or the guy wearing the hood? They ran Madonna in dung but were too cowardly to run the Mohammed cartoons which were drawn to point out the cowardice of mainstream media. The NYT is so far out of the reality loop its gravity doesn't even affect them.

Be grateful for small things. At least the Slimes got one fact right.

Some prominent sites, like ... the conservative blog Littlegreenfootballs.com ...

Congrats ?

#67 armymarinemom

NY Slimes, to know them is to loath them. Leaking classified information is nice but showing justice isn't. They can kiss my foot ass.

There. Fixed that fer ya'.

#73 Iron Fist

Exactly. If we're going to show Gore, let's show all of it.

New York Times writer Bill Carter failed to notice that the “complete video” is not posted at LGF, and never has been.

Yes Charles, but there is a mouse button on the Littlegreenfootballs blog site that shows it on the internet thingy.

An Unhappy New Year to the New York Times!

You dumb-asses somehow have managed to take a factually inaccurate swipe at the greatest blog on the internet while succeeded in slowing it down to a snail's pace in one fell swoop.

uhoh ... am I in trouble?

I am a devoted reader of the New York Times.

Well ... ONLY the New York Times SPORTS SECTION.

[I'd use the rest of the paper to line the
bird cage, if we had one.]

The level of "accuracy" in the nations'
"paper of record" is terrible. One of my
favorite is the caption on the picture
showing hundreds of protesters in front of
the White House.

While the Captial Dome is in the center
of the picture. [My young son pointed
that one out to us.]

So, while the NYT may have editors, it
doesn't appear that the ability to read
is a required part of that job.

#80 Catttt

Now, some guy with a cell phone in Iraq can trump them, in a few minutes, without even trying.

Authoritarians can't get over that fact. Like a certain troll here who was arguing that Zombie had to be wrong because hrw had resources, and Zombie didn't.

Looks like we need a tracker like the Reuters tracker when NYTimers are visiting lgf.

#17 gymnast

Earlier this morning a certain New York Times reporter by the name of Burns was being interviewed by CNN. Mr Burns was outraged and saddened by Saddam's demise. CNN was mutually sympathetic. Mr. Burns appearance and hair style could appeared to match his mental faculties. Bizarre and disheveled.

Burns has been there since the beginning and through it all, give him that, and back in crunch time was giving factual and unbiased reports. Sure, to keep his job with NYT he has to froth and rant and flap his left wing extra-hard from time to time, but if he's now moaning about Saddam, he's due for a long vacation and a haircut.

What do you mean there is a difference between a "link" and a "post"? It wasn't listed that way in our handbook!

/MSM "reporter"

Never trust anyone named Carter...

GET OUT OF OUR BLOG YOU SLIMES BASTARDS!

I'm sure it was an honest mistake. I mean, it's not as if the new york times has ever subverted the good of the United States in order to pursue its own agenda.

Send an email to jackass Bill Carter right here.

Carter, what a fitting name for a jackass!

IMHO: I reckon the arrangement was better if zillions of people came to LGF looking for the snuffmovie and didnt find it. That would achieve three things, 1) demonstrate palpably that the MSN report was just wrong, 2) demonstrate that Our Host does indeed observe the "niceties" and 3) get even more people to visit and return to the site.

Anyway, this "niceties" business is just crap. Do it but dont show it. Thats cowardice.

On this slowness though, I have to say I always find LGF incredibly slow at my end. Admittedly, im on narrow-band dial-up. But its still way slower than other sites. Even though I have unloaded all flash players and deleted images from my browser options it usually takes about five minutes to load the home page. To go to comments can take as long as twelve to fifteen minutes and to post a comment is often like trying to piss up a hose-pipe ( up twenty feet of it and into the tap/faucette ). I very often get a freeze at that stage and have to shut down the computer.

That said, I've put a lot of comments up lately and am probably getting people to yawn when the see the AliAbDab handle. And I don't doubt Our Hosts brilliant IT skills. But, as a computer semi-literati I just don't understand why stevesdigicams.com, with lots of pictures and graphics ( when I turn them on ) loads in seconds but a site full of words takes absolutely ages. I realise that to the IT literate people out there I've probably said something that seems blatantly stupid!

But I love LGF anyway, and thanks very much for running it Mr Charles, your dedication is admirable, your courage evident, your importance to the struggle to preserve Humanity from God's bastards is undisputable. In my opinion, YOU deserve to win the Anti-Fisk of the year.

NYT

The Times tried to trash LGF because their side just lost Somalia today:

KISMAYO, Somalia - Somali government troops backed by Ethiopian tanks and fighter jets captured the last major stronghold of a militant Islamic movement Monday, while hundreds of Islamic fighters — many of them Arabs and South Asians — fled the town.

To cheering and waving crowds, well-armed troops drove into Kismayo after clearing roads laced with land mines that had been left by an estimated 3,000 hard-line Islamic fighters fleeing a 13-day military onslaught by government troops backed by Ethiopian tanks and MiG fighter jets.

Nothing like defeat to make one's propaganda machine attempt to divert attention from nasty facts.

Ditto for the Saddam video--the Left can't support a fascist dictator, but they can try and use any event to undermine the moral authority of the opposition.

Be proud this Communist propaganda organ considers us worthy of their attacks--we're are having an impact on a significant scale.

#97 nolimit

Cool photograph.

Would they have shown it if he was shot by an "insurgent" sniper while he was on the gallows?
Or does that just work for US soldiers.

Note from fly on wall, NYT Editorial Board meeting, January 2, 2007:

Ok, Ok, I know we had a skeletal crew on this weekend what with all the must-be-seen, chi-chi cocktail parties this time of year, but heck if we EVER link to, or MENTION Littlegreenfootballs in the future, can we please get a fact-checker on the job? Thank you.

Shoulda voted for the MSM, you guys...

Kofi Annan may be "Idiotarian of the Year" in 2006, but moron Bill Carter takes the "Idiotarian of the Week" for the first week of 2007.

The NYT just can't get it right.

Everyone should send an email with the subject "NYT is incompetent."

I’m redirecting visitors who click the link in the NY article to this page, so they’ll be sure to see the truth.

They can't handle it.

#100 hous bin pharteen

Let's not feed their hogwash. He was executed by IRAQI officers. This was not an American action.

What's wrong with hosting the Saddam video at LGF? It's an important historical document.

#106 E2M

But those officers are under mind control by the imperialistic dog, the Great Satan America!

#106 earth2moonbat

That was not my point.
My point was they had no problem with their morality showing US soldiers getting killed by snipers.
Saddam they have a problem with.

Thank you #95 - That was fun!

Dawn of the Arabian Gulf

#104 ErislDysnomia

I second that. Send them an email here, please.

#81 You are right about the NYT running the painting of the Madonna covered in dung. When they failed to run any of the silly line drawing Mohammed cartoons, they re-ran the Madonna covered in dung to illustrate religious icons being blasphemied by artists (or cartoonists.) So twice they insulted the Catholic/Christian world but decided not to run even the stick figure drawings of Mohammed.

They.are.not.on.our.side.

#109 hous bin pharteen

I know. That's obvious. But try to tell cogswell that there's any bias....

Happy New Year Charles and all.
I've never viewed a jihadist snuff film.
I don't need another reason to hate them, 9/11 is enough of a reason as it is.
I did however seek out the "Dropped til he stopped" Saddam execution video for a day and a half until it finally appeared on the internet.
Not out of some macabre curiosity,but to see justice done.
CNN doens't see a problem with airing Jihad Propaganda in the form of that sniper video a few months back,but is reluctant to air Saddam getting his due.
Go figure?
It's clear whose side the MSM is on,and it ain't ours.

#106 Earth2moonbat 1/1/2007 09:55AM PST

#100 hous bin pharteen

Let's not feed their hogwash. He was executed by IRAQI officers. This was not an American action.

I see that as the point of #100, if it had been an American action I would bet that the Lame Stream Media (LSM) would have been all over it, like white on rice.

TO: All
RE: I'm Reminded....

....of the ocassion, last year, when some dimbo telemarketer called soliciting for the NYT.

I told her the NYT could go to hell.

She replied, "How rude!"

I said, "Not as 'rude' as telling lies and endangering all of US." At which point she was totally flumuxed.

If more people treated anyone talking positively about the NYT or CNN or other such liars, we'd all be better off.

I had another ocassion, just two weeks ago to box the ears of someone at a cocktail party over CNN.

He could not believe that anyone would doubt CNN's veracity. Another dimbulb who thinks himself an 'intellectual' because he leaves certain magazines lying about the house as if he reads them.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[A man is known by the books he reads. -- Thomas Jefferson]

P.S. However, it helps to read them. And I guess the same applies as to from whence one gets their 'news'.

#103 - "Idiotarian of the Week"

I like that idea. How about it Charles?

The New York Times Manhattan Fish-wrap strikes again.

The NYT is retarded. Maybe Zawaheri should have included them in his New Years wishes to the jihaddi media:

"And I also congratulate my brothers working in Jihadi media, and I ask Allah to reward them well for their fine, blessed efforts. And I encourage them to expend even more effort in Allah's path, for they have spoiled the enemies' publicity campaigns, by the grace of Allah. And I call on them to combine their efforts in compliance with the orders of Allah and His Messenger. May Allah bless their efforts, grant them His victory, and may they - Allah permitting - be the seed of the media of the Caliphate state which is coming with Allah's permission."

(from jihad unspun, not linking it though.)

Oh well, it's just the New York Times and their rapidly shrinking readership and stock that has already sunk.

The only thing they seem to have down pat is disclosure of national security documents.

So, as one might say whilst crashing the gates, fuck 'em!

TO: New Tommy
RE: Thanks....

....for the direct link.

Here's what I sent them....

TO: Editors
RE: Bill Carter vs. LGF

You guys must have one heck of a hangover today. Seeing how your 'fact-checking' of Mr. Bill's comments about LGF are so horribly wrong.

Indeed. It borders on libel. And I would be more than willing to support Charles Johnson's suit against you bozos, accordingly.

Crappy New Year.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[DEATH TO NYT!

May it's assets be seized and sold.

May its staff and management and owners who have been involved with the disclosure of classified national security issues be arrested, tried and, if guilty, sentenced harshly.

And the rest of you bozos without a job....]

Happy New Year....

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Well, as long as it has taken me to get on this morning, and as long as the Moonbats are sh*tting the place up, I give you my Shameless Link for:

JANE'S IN AND OUT LIST FOR 2007

I'm surprised that LGF Watch (no link, find it yourself if you want to bother with that crappy little site), wasn't the NYT's source. It isn't. I checked.

Actually Chris Offili's religious paintings ARE religious, and nothings "covered with dung". If you didnt know that they were elephant turds, they are so highly decorated that you would never guess. My objection to his paintings are, on the contrary, that they continue the bad taste tradition of syrupy Catholic kitsch, plastic Madonnas and all that crap.

Now, if on the other hand you choose "piss Christ" to illustrate the point ( that the MSN doesnt mind hypocritically blasheming Christianity ) I will agree with you.

Sorry if I seem unnecessarily punctilious here, but modern art gets a far worse representation in the MSM than anything else. And as I have mentioned a couple of times now, I am working on pictures that are intentionally confronting Islam in ways that I would like to eventually be reported accurately, rather than described as a deliberate blasphemy ( which is not my intention )...that is, if I ever get a chance to show them in the UK. I don't mind getting the mossies to award me a death-threat, but I'd like it to be for the right reasons.

#121 Chuck Pelto

Ouch. Why don't you kick their poodles while you're at it?

OT I read the whole exchange yesterday between Cognito ("a reporter") and various smart posters on this site. Cognito was being disingenuous at best. Even asking the question--which he tweaked several times--as to whether or not the media was objective when they report casualties as "grim milestones", could not have been a serious misunderstanding of lizard's disdain for that phrase. Of course he failed to come up with any headlines from WWII that might have used a similar phrase such as "shocking death toll" or "dismal tally of Ally casualties" or even "sad total of American deaths". Lizards posted numerous actual headlines that presented the facts of various battles in a tone that indicated the US and their allies were fighting a great battle against evil. My takeaway from the whole conversation was that Cognito is either very young or not very bright. Extremely dull people think they can reposit their original post and have everyone buy into that new phrasing as their original intent.

The NYT, CNN, the LA Times and major news networks do not understand why America is in this battle nor what is attempting to be accomplished. Because they fail to understand, they present the enemy in the best light and they try to plant fear and hopelessness in the American public until the will to wage the war ends. If democracy and secularism do not take root in some of the 22 Muslim nations, there will be an enormous voting block and cooperation that will plunge the world into legislation against women, gays, and the free press, among other things. That the press does not understand this might be due to their own inflated opinion of themselves as invulnerable.

#124 AliAbDab

Actually Chris Offili's religious paintings ARE religious

The Mary is made from dung and the angel's wings are formed from ass-cheeks. Hmmmm......

The truth about Saddam's hanging

/self-referential yesterday's news

Yes, that was the most grisly "fall from view" I have ever seen. I mean, did you guys not see that? First he's there - then he's not. How can you watch something like that?

Some of President Johnson's White House recordings were recently released, within the past six weeks. I had to laugh, he referred to the nyt as 'those communist bastards'.

Iraq on the right path
Kuwait Times

THE BOOM OUTSIDE BAGHDAD
New York Post

Blood and Money
In what might be called the mother of all surprises, Iraq's economy is growing strong, even booming in places.
Newsweak

The New York Times accuses"conservative" Little Green Footballs of some imagined transgression, while the actual transgression is committed in full by the demonstrably liberal Google.

Pathetic. Hypocritical. Stupid.

May they declare bankruptcy in 2007. The sooner, the better.

#21 daughter of patriots 1/1/2007 09:05AM PST
Where's Cognito to remind us the NYT's intentions were good?

I wouldn't say that here. I don't really see the horror in what they've said, but that's just me. In an instance like this, Charles is holding up the NY Times story for scrutiny -- and I've never had a problem with that. It's Charles's blog, they wrote about it, and he has every right to examine what they said.

#75 gymnast 1/1/2007 09:28AM PST
Cognito's defense of selected MSM, AP, ect stories gives the impression that he has insinuated himself into LGF as an "MSM imbed". Or a combination Moby troll. I have yet to see him make the error of taking zombie on directly. His caution and manner of posting bears scrutiny. I have a feeling that "2020" and the poster going by the nic "number 12 imam" sit just a desk or two away from him.

Gymnast, "insinuating" myself into LGF didn't take much work. I just signed up. And I've never taken on Zombie because Zombie makes sense. I think we're in agreement on a lot. As for my caution and manner of posting bearing scrutiny -- I invite it. I'm always honest and never cruel, although I've seen some people here go that way.

#126 kay1212 1/1/2007 10:17AM PST
OT I read the whole exchange yesterday between Cognito ("a reporter") and various smart posters on this site. Cognito was being disingenuous at best. Even asking the question--which he tweaked several times--as to whether or not the media was objective when they report casualties as "grim milestones", could not have been a serious misunderstanding of lizard's disdain for that phrase. Of course he failed to come up with any headlines from WWII that might have used a similar phrase such as "shocking death toll" or "dismal tally of Ally casualties" or even "sad total of American deaths". Lizards posted numerous actual headlines that presented the facts of various battles in a tone that indicated the US and their allies were fighting a great battle against evil. My takeaway from the whole conversation was that Cognito is either very young or not very bright. Extremely dull people think they can reposit their original post and have everyone buy into that new phrasing as their original intent.

Kay1212, with all due respect, I'm not sure I'm really the disingenuous party here.

Here's what I had to say about the media's stance during different wars:

The media during the World Wars reported from a much more American view. That's because the seduction of 'objectivity' over patriotism had not yet infiltrated the media's ranks. Durin Vietnam all that changed, for many, many reasons that are to complex to lay out here, and I suspect you can guess them. Further, much of the media's power structure that's in place now cut its teeth during Vietnam. So they still apply the Vietnam template, when it simply doesn't fit today's war against radical Islam.

As for your speculation that I might be very young or very dull; well, I'm not very young. I could certainly be very dull.

So, the NY Times readers are coming here in pipe-clogging numbers in search of the Sadam porno. Interesting.

OK, let me see if I have this straight.

LGF is not a conservative blog, at least that's what the scare quotes seem to be claiming. But there's not one drop of right wing Koolaid that you lot haven't drunk.

LGF is not a hate site, per #23, but "nuke Mecca" gets 35 hits for the last month alone.

Or is it the other way around, in revoise?

Sounds like Ye Olde Grey Lady thinks that anyone opposed to tyrants and genocide is "conservative." What an out-of-touch, stupidly supercilious organization.

#133 Cognito

And I've never taken on Zombie because Zombie makes sense.

That may be partially my fault. I said "a certain troll" was trashing Zombie's work. I wasn't referring to you.

Well, after the Nick Berg video and photos of women being stoned to death in Iran and Afghanistan, this video didn't even merit a shiver.

"Saddam makes his own trip to the gallows with an indecent haste, without the mercy of family farewells and other spare acts of compassion that lend at least a pretense of civility to executions under law in kinder jurisdictions."

Courtesy of the ever compassionate burns. I suppose i might excuse all this bleeding heart babble from some people who feel bad for everybody and just about everything. But the people weeping for saddam aren't like that, they're sad about saddam because he was their ally in their hatred of the West and George Bush.

i first saw it on Drudge yesterday; it's still there

TO: Sura 199
RE: Getting Thinks 'Straight'

You're trying to change the subject.

This discussion is about whether or not LGF was dealing with the execution of Saddam Hussein.

If you can't figure that out, too bad for you.

However, if you knew that and you STILL posted that egregious bit of tripe....

....well....

....we've got YOUR 'number'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Evil has many tools, but a lie is the handle that fits them all.]

I rarely read the Times, but I picked it up yesterday.

There was an article about an Afghan who returned from exile to try to make a positive change in his country.

At then end of the article, it was reported that the man was killed by a suicide bomber who was "purported" to be from the Taliban.

Notice the snide Times spin here. Heaven forbid that a reader might infer that the holy Taliban did a nasty piece of terrorism, despite the fact that they are the only group doing suicide bombings in Afghanistan, with obvious history and motives.

We have to be "fair and objective" and leave open the possibility that maybe it was someone else. Wouldn't want to denigrate the Taliban, or anything.

LGF has become to the NYT as Kevin Costner's character had become to the bad guy on Waterworld. A turd that won't flush.

I hope some of you NYT readers who are visiting LGF today will see the truth and become members. Be part of the great awakening.

For those of you who think you'll come on here and disrupt, well, we have ways of getting rid of you. Taa, taa, and toodles.

#135 Sura 109

LGF is not a hate site, per #23, but "nuke Mecca" gets 35 hits for the last month alone.

35 out of 50,000 or so in a month. That's easily explained by lefty mobies. In fact, it's kind of low for one or two mobies. Mobies are slacking.

If merely having a link was enough to garner the New York Time's attention, DailyKos also linked to the Google video. Notably, the New York Times Manhattan Fish-wrap didn't bother to mention the Kos crew in their article at all.

Would love to stay and chat but off to the Rose Bowl from this hotel in Pasadena.

Fight on, USC.

#135 Sura 109

LGF is not a conservative blog, at least that's what the scare quotes seem to be claiming. But there's not one drop of right wing Koolaid that you lot haven't drunk.

Apparently, opposing Islamofascism is "right wing Koolaid." If so, I'll take seconds.

New Tommy:"The Mary is made from dung and the angel's wings are formed from ass-cheeks. Hmmmm......"

Now you are singing from the MSM song-sheet! You are repeating an MSM misrepresentation just as you would if you went and said "LGF is a conservative site". Which IS shite.

I don't want to labour this point, because Ive already said I think the work is kitsch, however: you should get a good colour picture of a painting to look at rather than accepting some journalists description. The paintings are very highly decorative. The dung is a direct allusion to the culture of Christianity in Africa...which is now probably where it is at its strongest ( they even send missionaries to work in the UK ).The painter comes from a lineage of people who build from dung, houses, even churches, and use dung as fuel to cook with. To slate it as "the Madonna smeared with shit" simply bears no relation to what is going on in the artists work. Even if I dont like his work, I can recognise that it is not intended as blasphemy.

Like I said, if you stick to Anthony serrano's "Piss Christ", a crucifix in a vat of his urine, then you indeed will refer to something blatently blasphemous.

HAPPY NEW YEAR CHARLES!

It would seem NYT's new years resolution was not to improve fact checking their stories. Why bother, they have had such a great track record in the past.

Happy New Year to the LGF community.

Next time the MSM yells "censorship!" we should call it a government nicety. Should have plenty of those under the Democrats.

"No national American television organization has thus far allowed the moment of the drop to be shown."

Did you mean "no national American television organization has thus far showed the moment of the drop"? Because, MSM, what you allow and what you forbid doesn't matter as much as it used to.

#121 Chuck Pelto

It borders on libel. And I would be more than willing to support Charles Johnson's suit against you bozos, accordingly.

A little problem with a libel suit. NYT would move to dismiss because Charles is a public figure.

Because the NYT prevailed - all the way to the Supreme Court - in defense of a cause of action for libel, the news media (oxymoron) can say damn near whatever they want, as long as there is no reckless disregard of the truth. As there is no dissenting opinion, I'm presuming that this was an en banc decision.

#148 AliAbDab

I learned that the angels' wings were made from cut-out photographs of ass-cheeks from an "Art History" class I had to take at my university. The textbook for the class also contained quotes that indicated the artist's feelings about Catholicism were, shall we say, "ambiguous," at best. I'm not singing from the "MSM song-sheet."

#135 Sura 109
What's that smell?

"Sura 109"

He thinks he's clever calling himself that but does he actually know what surah 109 say's:

Surah 109 verse 6:
"To you be your way, and to me be mine"

( Trans Abdullah Yusuf Ali ).

If he lived by his poxy Koran he wouldnt come OUR WAY any WAY.

#153 Killgore Trout

What's that smell?

Not sure if it's moose shit or decomposing moosie, but it's pretty damn bad.

TO: Bill Jefferson
RE: MSM Hypocrisy

The so-called 'Main Stream Media' are nothing more than a bunch of liars.

The proof of the statement is how CNN shows snuff flicks of American soldiers, our finest, being killed by Islamists.

And yet NYT deplores a similiar snuff flick of a convicted fascist murdering being executed after 'due process'.

So what is the NYT against, anyway?

People seeing what we have, collectively, decided upon?

Or killing people?

Or, perhaps, killing people that they, the NYT and the rest of the so-called MSM, support?

So.

One gets the impression that the NYT would rather live under a fascist dictatorship. After all, they appear to support Saddam Hussein. And President Bush is much less that fascist than Hussein ever was. Or maybe NYT and the other jerks in the so-called major media, will be so kind as to show where Bush is sending people, feet first, through a wood chipper.....

Therefore, I say....

Death to NYT!

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Now the LLL's have another dead murderous thug to glorify on their t-shirts.

I'm happy for them.

#48 Chicken Kiev

What is the BBC getting so hot and bothered about?

Isn't swearing at condemned people and desecrating the dead an important part of their culture?

As such, we should all celebrate the unique points of Iraqi behaviour and enable them to act as they see fit.

Don't you think?

TO: RadicalRon
RE: Libel!

"A little problem with a libel suit. NYT would move to dismiss because Charles is a public figure." -- RadicalRon

Doesn't matter, in this instance. That is, if no one can substantiate Mr. Bill's claim that LGF was hosting a link to the execution videos.

Mr. Bill, as I understand it, was saying he was. When, as far as I could tell, he wasn't. But I've not been keeping up as I should have been, on this EXCELLENT blog.

Mr. Bill says he was doing such.

Charles says he wasn't.

Personally, I find such voyerism beyond my ken and disgusting. [Note: I sure wish Drudge would get that death-face OFF his site.]

If Charles thinks showing such a video, e.g., a snuff flick, is against his moral code and that Mr. Bill said he did it, there are grounds for a suit.

Whether or not Charles wins is up to the system of jurisprudence.....but I'd be willing to support such a suit. It would teach NYT a less. Perhaps as harsh lesson as they deserve.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

From the NYT article cited--on CNN deciding to carry the video:

Jon Klein, the president of CNN’s domestic operations, said the flavor of sectarianism cinched the decision.

HA!

"Mr" Hussein?--was this column factual reporting or a eulogy?

Wait didnt CNN run a video about Iraqi snipers killing US soldiers ?

Where is the NY Times outrage over that ?

Stop being hypocrites over three NY TIMES !

Sura 109
Here:

((Ω)) Mecca

You happy? I didn't say it, did I? Of course we say "Nuke Mecca" but you, no doubt, have zero sense of humor and can not understand the context of the statement.

New-Tommy
"I learned that the angels' wings were made from cut-out photographs of ass-cheeks from an "Art History" class I had to take at my university. The textbook for the class also contained quotes that indicated the artist's feelings about Catholicism were, shall we say, "ambiguous," at best. I'm not singing from the "MSM song-sheet."

Actually, you are. I studied history of art for four years at various levels including degree and I can tell you that Art-history textbooks ARE the MSM of of visual art. The people who write them are very often journalists ( "art critics" as they are known ) and What they say is very often a complete misrepresentation of what they are about. They can also use quotes out of context to mean anything they like, just like the rest of the MSM. Take the art-history of John Berger, for whom everything is seen through the prism of Communism. Whilst exactly the same art will be found in very different terms in the books of Richard Cork ( as one of any number ). For example a polar opposition over the topic of Corks doctorate work on Vorticism.

Ambiguity is a basic presupposition in almost all art of any status. And the material that you refer to does not in any way conflict with what I said earlier.

I don't know why we need to go on about this, as I understood and agreed with your original comment ( that the MSM displays crass hypocrisy in their reportage of Christian and Muslim reactions to art ) and Im sure you can see that there is such a thing as an MSM version of art which traduces what is reorted. The all time paradigm being the British medias reportage of Carl Andres work "Equivalent VIII" as "a pile of bricks". This phrase fuelled an entire cultural shift in the UK, where journalists loved to cite it as evidence of the vacousness of modern art. But there never was such a "pile of bricks".

Hey! Which Mr. Hussein is he talking about in that article? The dictator or the non-existent A/P^ms source?

Maybe this is the time for Charles to replay those Jemail Hussien questions while the NY TImes is sending people here looking for the truth ?

Time to put Rueters and AP News feet to the fire.

One more year, and the NYT is even less relevant than ever. Who really buys their assumptions about the "mean world of the Internet" anyways? Seriously, the readers of the NYT have to be virtually Luddites, shut-ins, or some other group of people who disdain modern technology and think that some folks in NYC have the most perfect grasp on the world. Like Muslims, the MSM (especially New York liberal newspapermen) have no capacity for introspection -- simply, they are never wrong, but everyone else is. You'd think that the combination of arrogance, technophobia, and regional-based elitism would have a small market, but I suppose there's no end of people who want to be told they're flawed and wallow in it.

161 irongrampa,

I'm not defending the Times for calling him "Mr. Hussein," but I can shed some light on it. The Times's policy is to describe all subjects by their last names with the prefix, except in the sports pages, is a child, or has some sort of unusual stage name like "Madonna."

They're not singling out Saddam, here; just sticking with their rules for description.

#159 Chuck Pelto

Here's some help.

I have to go for dinner soon. Before I do, on this topic of the lying fucking hypocritical, twisted, thick as shit stumps of severed piss-flaps that are journalists, I might refer to my modest experience of that "profession".

I was once a columnist on a magazine that was affiliated to a newspaper and had the same staff and offices, etc. The editor was such an anal-retentive semi-functional, twisted lying shifty misanthropic fuck that if he wanted to make a comment on my work, rather than actually talk to me,..he would make up a "readers letter" about it to put into the "readers letters" section in which, I know for a fact, all of the "readers letters" were written by him!

"Ambiguity is a basic presupposition in almost all art of any status." -- As an artist, I have to simply laugh and laugh at this point. Art is communication and if you fail to communicate, you have failed as an artist. I'm sorry, but take a look at art as a whole, from music, to poetry, to film, and your conclusion is that "we don't know what it means!" is simply hilarious. Art would have not the motivating power it does if it was unclear. Rather, art inspires, pays homage, and generally makes us feel because it *does* communicate -- and that, specific things -- or else we would walk away from it simply scratching our heads. Oh I know you're now going to get all "nuanced" on me and say that the base is ambiguity upon which different shades of meaning are built so as to blah, blah, blah. There's plenty of art out there that doesn't fit into your definition, and it is no less art because of it.

#168 Cognito

161 irongrampa,

I'm not defending the Times for calling him "Mr. Hussein," but I can shed some light on it. The Times's policy is to describe all subjects by their last names with the prefix, except in the sports pages, is a child, or has some sort of unusual stage name like "Madonna."

They're not singling out Saddam, here; just sticking with their rules for description.

You are absolutely correct.

They also referred to the Austrian corporal as Mr. Hitler and the murderous mofo of Moscow as Mr. Stalin.

172 RadicalRon,

Again, I'm not defending the Times's practice, just telling you what it is.

Cognito-Welcome aboard. I think you had better watch yourself because things begin making sense when you hang out here and you'll ending up losing any "progressive" or "objective" approach you have and find yourself looking at things like facts. For example, I recently had an argument with someone about the Iraqi security guards indulging in biting out the heart of living rabbit and someone came back with the old line about "Well it's their culture, we have to be understanding" and I just came right back with "Some things are just plain wrong." And then someone else came back with "Well it's no worse than..." and I replied "Right, all the more reason would should we should be condemning that too."

Wow, four years ago I would have been the first to be talking about their culture and the crappy things we did/do. What killled that for me was the suicide bombings in Israel. I came here trying to make sense of them and I discovered radical Islam. So I have changed here. You will be changed too if you stay.

As for cruelty, yes, this is like a pack of wolves here sometimes, smart savy wolves who tend to savage the weak stupid members of the pack as quickly as they do the lame moose. But by in large the sadistic cruel ones only out for domination also get drummed out of here eventually too. Or they leave because they get bored.

I personally think Ann Coulter is right about accepting barriers to clear thinking have become embedded in the selection process for getting into journalism and that anyone who doesn't tow the party line gets drummed out or sidelined in the MSM is very true. The only exception seems to be FOX where the chatter is riotous but everyone is talking. So if you really are a journalist, maybe hanging out here is not a good idea, unless you want to end up with only FOX as a career choice. That being said, the way the public have run away from standard news services and embraced blogging has taken a lot of the journalistic community that I know by complete surprize. They were so sure of their own righteousness that the idea that we the public aren't happy with them and woould go looking elsewhere for oour news is stunning. The honest ones are taking another look at themselves. The majority though are still stuck on stupid frantically shouting "We're right! We're the good guys!" We shape the world!" while putting their fingers in the their ears and closing their eyes.

So I say welcome to LGF. Stick around, and whenever you're being idiotic, be ready to get have someone in the pack leap on your back and grab you by the scruff of the neck and give you a good shaking. When you are smarting recall the words of my grandmother, "When something really hurts, it is usually (not always but usually) because it is an unpleasant truth about yourself.

Besides, we, the pack members, all need someone new to pick on now that Gordo isn't popping in so often.

The NYT has managed to get it wrong so many times that I just laugh when somebody asks me if I subscribe. I noticed that error also when I read that story this morning on their web site. The standard of "All the news that fits we print" has been going on since the 60s. It may have been so earlier, but that is when I was old enough to compare facts against their stories and found their bias to be too extensive for words and their errors too often to take any story seriously.

These guys really have to get their standards up if they ever think that they should be considered more seriously than a weekly tabloid featuring Elvis sightings.

The New Year's list from Investors Business Daily...

Seven Possibilities Heading Into '07

7. Mainstream Media R.I.P.

No, we don't expect the New York Times, Washington Post, the broadcast networks and other traditional gatekeepers of the news to close up shop in 2007. They're likely to be around for at least a few more years. They also will continue to exert influence on our public life, working to define the news and telling us what to think about it.

But their power isn't what it used to be. Nor are their circulations, ratings and profits. Big metropolitan dailies, in particular, are wilting. Younger readers (and quite a few older ones) have found that they can tap hundreds of news sources worldwide, from bloggers to the BBC, with a few clicks on the Web. Internet-based purveyors of news and comment, such as RealClearPolitics, are on the rise.

Really, any true islamist has no right to be angered about Saddams' death or method of execution. Since it happened...it must be....according to all Islamists....Allah's will.

Things only happen that are Allah's will.

The US invasion? Allah's will.

The death of uday and qusay? Allah's will.

The implementation of democracy in iraq...Allah's will.

Unless...Allah isn't s powerful as they say he is.

You are what you eat, and if you only consume the NYT, you are an idiot. If you believe everything they write, you are a gullible fool.

Are you brainwashed?

Cancel your subscription.

TO: RadicalRon
RE: Thanks....

...but I've already studied Libel and Slander law as part of my Masters program.

If you're an attorney, maybe you could point out the difference between what I learned and what you know....

....but, I think Charles has a case. Maybe not a 'great' case but it's pretty obvious that Mr. Bill got his 'facts' wrong and published them in the media.

Whether Charles is a 'public figure' has some bearing on the case, but Mr. Bill and the NYT are still WRONG. It all depends on whether Charles could make a case that Mr. Bill has (1) violated Charles' moral ethics and (2) a set of ethics held by the general public and (3) ethics supported by case and/or statutory law.

I, being a regular blogger/commentor am a 'public figure' too.

If the NYT accused me of doing something I felt was abhorant I'd seriously consider filing charges against them.

Wouldn't you? [Note: I remind you that by virtue of 'bloggging', you've made yourself something of a 'public figure'.]

Regards,

Chuck(le)

P.S. To not refute an allegation is considered, under English Common Law, accepting what was said.

Charles has refuted it. The question is....

....will he drive his point home in order to dissuade other miscreants from attempting the same.

Little Green Footballs is running slower than a mule on Valium this morning,

Excuse me?

Racing Mules

Charles,

Haven't read the whole post yet, so if someone else has beat me to it, so be it. But I think this merits nomination as a rotating title:

slower than a mule on Valium

Love the imagery!

Judith,

I appreciate the welcome, thanks. I will say I don't think I've been idiotic, although if you've got a specific example I'm always willing to discuss.

I enjoy LGF and agree with most of what I read here. When I dissent, it's not in an effort to tear anyone down, but to build up the ideas I like so much here. In the meantime, thanks again for the welcome.

Regards,
- C

What the video shows is that S.H didn't suffer at all, how instantaneous his death actually was, assuming the video is in real time. If the lefty's wanted to make a valid comment, why didn't they say something like "why aren't american killers dispatched this humanely?" Compare this to the twenty minute death of that guy needled to death in Florida a few weeks ago.

I watched "the drop", now I'm emotionally scared thanks to the righty blogs. Boo-hoo. sniffle.

happy new year! everyone. Even to the liberal newspaper, The New York Times.

#163 ecmarm

I get it. Duh.

No liberal complaints about the video footage of US soldiers being set up for slaughter in Iraq. Hypocrites, the whole lot of them.

#179 Chuck Pelto

...but I've already studied Libel and Slander law as part of my Masters program.

NYT v. Sullivan is black letter law, or so you should have learned. Law schools rely on this as their teaching tool. Give it a try, it's a good read.

As I'm sure you know, primary sources rule the day and that Restatements are considered secondary sources.

Apparently many of the viewers of the NYT's site were not content with or satisfied by the 'delicate editorial decisions' and 'niceties' that the executives of the MSM news organizations made on their behalf.

It's not necessarily a bad sign that said viewers are dissatisfied with the Times' coverage and editorial decisions, but it is disturbing that the Times still has the ability to redirect enough viewers to slow down LGF.

179 Chuck,

I'm not an attorney, but I will point out here that for libel to stick it must be shown that the writer had malicious intent. The New York Times phrasing doesn't really seem to bear that out.

I've subscribed to the NY Times for years.
It's the only newpaper I get, having finally canceled the local paper(L.A.Times)a few years ago. The difference then and now for me was that the local paper was descending into something along the lines of a poorly-edited high school effort-clearly "reporters" and more often color "essayists" with boring and lamely-stated agendas were blah-blah-blahing all over the thing, amking it readable in about 10 minutes, tops. Plus the local news was nonexistent.

I don't know why I keep the Times, but I do--while it too has become an excercise in eye-rolling every. single. day. They've gotten HUGE amounts of deatils--sometimes crucial ones--dead wrong in their reporting. I've written them numerous emails and letters--more than I'd have ever thought possible--solely on the subjects where my personal knowledge knows that some writer has made a massive boo-boo--and that's on FACTS, not on ideology.

Currently my biggest peeve is that they've been on a months-long binge with huge stories virtually every day about "immigrants"(purely illegal immigrants) that are so filled with bathos and completely slanted they're ridiculous--accompanied by hysterical editorials name-calling anyone who doesn't want totally open borders. Funny--last time I looked I was a registered democrat, not a "nativist" who hates all "immigrants" and threatens widdle kiddies with death by shotgunning. Lame again.
But I guess I'll keep reading it...the sports coverage *is* pretty good. And the overall writing style is still leaps & bounds beyond L.A.'s; I can discount the radicalism and silliness myself in favor of the good stuff.

But on this subject--well, somehow I missed the linking story this morning, but I did see Charles' mention of the GOOGLE video--I thought at the time that his brief post here on LGF was quite classy and made his own attitude clear. predictable, I suppose, to see the Times is so clumsy and gives a totally WRONG impression of this site yet again. Good grief!

Some prominent sites, like Google’s video site and the conservative blog Littlegreenfootballs.com, have posted the complete cellphone coverage of the execution, including the moment Mr. Hussein falls from view.

The website's name is not capitalzed, Bill Carter. If you can't even get the name of the site correct, why should anyone trust you on anything serious. Now stop calling yourself a professional -- a professional wouldn't have two errors in that single sentence. (The second error being the one Charles noted.)

Maybe you could pass the word about the capitalization thing to your buddy Tom Zeller Jr. at the Times since he also mistakenly capitalized the name of the website.

Another commenter, at the conservative blog LittleGreenFootballs.com, summed up a disturbing sentiment emanating from the right: "If the N.S.A. wants to listen in on my calls, by all means go for it," wrote TotallySirius. "I have nothing to hide."

I guess this just shows that ya'll are full of shit when bleating about your layers of editors. Oh, and one last thing: enjoy your glistening new skyscraper which was built by evicting over 50 businesses via eminent domain.

Those "values" and "democratic ideals" included using eminent domain to forcibly evict 55 businesses--including a trade school, a student housing unit, a Donna Karan outlet, and several mom-and-pop stores--against their will, under the legal cover of erasing "blight," in order to clear ground for a 52-story skyscraper. The Times and Ratner, who never bothered making an offer to the property owners, bought the Port Authority�adjacent property at a steep discount ($85 million) from a state agency that seized the 11 buildings on it; should legal settlements with the original tenants exceed that amount, taxpayers will have to make up the difference. On top of that gift, the city and state offered the Times $26 million in tax breaks for the project, and Ratner even lobbied to receive $400 million worth of U.S. Treasury�backed Liberty Bonds--instruments created by Congress to help rebuild Lower Manhattan. Which is four miles away.

Charles,
You really NEED TO bolden "Fact-Checking the New York Times" in your redirect.

Standard NYT journalism...factual errors, articles that promote their liberal agenda, reality blindness. This is why, although I miss my Sundays pouring over the paper, I will no longer contribute to that rag.

#192 mr. conflicted moto

Do what I do, read it for free on the Net! Don't click on their ads.
They get not one cent from me, and I get lots of FREE grist for LGF and e-mails.

Wouldn't it be amusing if the NY Times or the AP sent someone to register on LGF to educate posters on the veracity of their reporting and their magnificent style sheets? Maybe two or three people even? Perhaps they could even convince you that you are misperceive what you are seeing with your own eyes.

191 Cognito

I'm glad we can agree on something! If not for the "malice aforethought" requirement, the New York Times (and ok - a lot of other people/organizations) would be guilty of a lot of libel. :)

Of course, I'm not an attorney either.

Happy New Year.

198 Cattt,

Thanks, and Happy New Year to you, too.

Welcome to the era of Fisking regular media. Everything you do is being recorded and watched carefully. There's now recorded history of your lies. An ongoing pattern easily illustruated. No amount of denial can refute it.

TO: RadicalRon
RE: Okay

"NYT v. Sullivan is black letter law, or so you should have learned. Law schools rely on this as their teaching tool. Give it a try, it's a good read." -- RadicalRon

I wouldn't put it past some attorney to twist and subvert the intent of the law. After all, as Ambrose Beirce defined them; Lawyer, n., One skilled at circumventing the Law.

And I recall listening to a prof of Constitutional Law from Denver Unversity trying to tell us, the assembled chapter of Denver Mensa, that there were no such thing as Constitutional Rights. All such 'rights' were 'textual'. Change the text and you change the right.

Sooner or later, we'll have to do something about their egregious misconduct. [Note: Why am I reminded of that Shakespearian thingie?]

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Thank goodness we don't have to rely on the paleo mainstream media anymore.

#159 Chuck Pelto . . .

I would not call this video a "snuff flick." The mass murderer was executed according to the laws of his country.

I was glad to see Saddam executed. He was a sadistic hateful creature who caused untold damage to his countrymen and women during his long dictatorship. He was also connected to financing terrorism and the spread of WMD.

More mass murderers should be publicly executed. Even though this post originally was about whether or not Charles connected to the execution video, in his update he DID connect to the google video. That's fine with me.

It's funny how so many people can get so prissy about executions, yet they stay glued to the TV on New Year's Day watching huge men bash each other over and over again. That's kind of brutal entertainment, isn't it?

I, for one, am going to watch Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, which describes our war against the orcs very nicely.

An interesting bit by Thomas Lifson about the high standards of the New York Times over at [Link: www.AmericanThinker.com...]

happy new year charles.

like yourself, i dont get this "conservative" blog moniker that LGF attracts from the MSM. its not as if you are writing about free market economics or wanting lower tax rates, is it?

#167 inrussetshadows . . .

Like Muslims, the MSM (especially New York liberal newspapermen) have no capacity for introspection -- simply, they are never wrong, but everyone else is.

Aha! That must be the invisible vortex in the 4th dimension where NY liberals intersect with Islamic murderers.

/Channeling Twilight Zone

TO: Promethea
RE: Snuff Flicks R Us

"I would not call this video a "snuff flick." The mass murderer was executed according to the laws of his country." -- Promethea

You're entitled to call it what you will. However, the fact remains the video shows someone being killed.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

#173 Cognito

Again, I'm not defending the Times's practice, just telling you what it is.

You've either misread or don't understand my comment. Please read it again, it supports you.

#179 Chuck Pelto

It all depends on whether Charles could make a case that Mr. Bill has (1) violated Charles' moral ethics and (2) a set of ethics held by the general public and (3) ethics supported by case and/or statutory law.

Only that which is case or statutory law has any bearing on this. NYT v. Sullivan is exactly that. For example, does a moral obligation to publish the truth have any standing in a court of law? And what does publish mean in the context of a libel or defamation cause of action?

[Note: I remind you that by virtue of 'bloggging', you've made yourself something of a 'public figure'.]

I've been a public figure for most of my adult life and need no reminder or primer of what the term means, or how I got there.

/time for some football!

208 Ron,

Sorry! When you wrote,

They also referred to the Austrian corporal as Mr. Hitler and the murderous mofo of Moscow as Mr. Stalin.

I figured you were being sarcastic. Too funny.

now just wait one new year's minute.

does charles mean to imply that the New York Times would fail to do basic fact checking on a story, because to do so would mean that the editorial thread of their story would unravel...and that to fact check themselves before slamming a blogger would mean they actually had to "work?"

c'mon! where's the precedent for THAT?

heh.

#203 Promethea

More mass murderers should be publicly executed. Even though this post originally was about whether or not Charles connected to the execution video, in his update he DID connect to the google video. That's fine with me.

If I remember correctly, the video at Google was linked via a comment in one of the threads yesterday.

That a commu columnist from the Old Grey Bitch would confuse a link provided by someone posting a comment and what Charles wrote about the One Now Being Devoured by Worms, surprises me not in the least.

There's one thing not taught in journalism school, much less any other degree program,
and that is, you're only as smart as the first time you show your ignorance.

And Monsieur Carter has shown his.

#133 Cognito

The media during the World Wars reported from a much more American view. That's because the seduction of 'objectivity' over patriotism had not yet infiltrated the media's ranks.

Are you implying that you're consistently protectionist argument for the MSM is merely a symptom of your "objectivity"? What LGF & its bloggers have been refuting since 9/11/01 is the MSM's lack of objectivity & affinity with our enemies, both foreign & domestic.

Is it patriotic to want us to win? Perhaps you're not well read on Al Queda's war propaganda efforts?

I 'found' the video on LGF, but I agree that's not the same as 'posting the complete cellphone coverage of the execution'. It's worth clearing up.

I'm still confused about the "conservative" thing though

Happy New Year Charles!...

Be grateful they didnt actually accuse u of the ahem.."assasination"..lol..isn't that what they called it...

mustn't use naughty words like "terrorist" or "execution"..

is bill carter any relation to dhimmi carter?

212 daughter of patriots,

No. None of that. When I said,

The media during the World Wars reported from a much more American view. That's because the seduction of 'objectivity' over patriotism had not yet infiltrated the media's ranks.

I put 'objectivity' in quotes for a reason.

I said it here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

will you watch it?

knew this storm would erupt. not like Fox or CNN aren't doing the same thing, tho.

"Inrussetshadows"
Well, if that moniker doesnt about sum up a pompous prretentious ass
, its a twat by any other name that goes on to say:
"is communication and if you fail to communicate, you have failed as an artist. I'm sorry, but take a look at art as a whole, from music, to poetry, to film, and your conclusion is that "we don't know what it means!" is simply hilarious."

For a start, I didnt say "we dont know what it means". Being ambiguous is not the same as being incomprehensible. In order for something to be ambiguous it must first be an act of communication. If you cant see that you are an idiot or at very least need to get a dictionary.

Then, "if we look at art as a whole" is I am afraid based on a presupposition that you know what it is that you are going to consider the terms "art as a whole" to include. If you knew anything about the topic you would know that this has been an unresolved issue among philosophers for over a century. Your glib assertions thereby qualify you as truly an ignoramous.

Your glib assertion that music, ( for example ) is "communication" is where most neophytes BEGIN, but from which they rapidly progress to an understanding that the term "communication" is inadequate to what art does. If it were simply true to say that "art is communication" then this post as an act of communication would be a "work of art". which is absurd and necessarily requires you to introduce other variables as distinctions. Art is an epistemology. Only a complete simpleton reduces a work of art or music to "a message".

Cannot see that simple truth:

Come on then, cite for me one piece of visual art or music which is not ambiguous.

Tell me, if you are so sure its just "communication", what is the message communicated by "Thus Spake Zarathustra"

I did a degree course in history of art thirty years ago, have you even read a single title on the philosophy of art? Name one?

#@04 gymnast

Roger L. Simon has picked up on the Lifson piece in his latest post on the MSM circle jerk: [Link: www.rogerlsimon.com...]

So what's your man, the Reverend Al, up to these days?

Leftist

Attitude

Zealous

Yelling.

msm: cheap smear ...wow whoda thunk it

Judaism is the basis of this religion, so much of what is isalm was judaism first, at this minute in mecca 3 million muslims do not know the simple truth. The muslim masses do not know this simple truth.

These enemies of the Jewish people have come up with the Palestinian narrative which bears a striking resemblance to the rise of islam itself.....when 20 centuries after the giving of the torah at sinai the seed of ishmael sunk in idolatry and nature worship by taking on the monotheism of mohammed whose route to monotheism he learned from the rabbis in mecca , there he went on to steal their teaching, teach it to his fellow muslims, call it islam, and claim that the really holy scripture is the koran, which the jews cut up and rewrote in order to make the ishmaelites look bad. They rewrote the story of ishmael in a more favourable light.

At this moment in mecca 3 million ishamelites are throwing stones at the devil in mecca, like the stone throwers in israel throw stones at the jews. Of course the script used in islam, that of the binding by ibrahim of ishmael is entirely a plagerisation of the torah, not an original idea, image, invention or concept, that is not pilfered from judaism. Likewise, palestinian nationalism ripped off the concepts, emotions of the jewish peoples zionist movement...re the cliams of edward said and hannan ashwari that "we are an ancient people" and "this is our ancient homeland" and "we are the victims of , if not a holocaust, then a nakba, during which we were victimized like the jews in germany in the name of a racist doctrine in this case called zionism.

Again, here, there is nothing new, nothing, it is grand theft pure and simple of Jewish intellectual, spiritual and historic property.

Islam has been as doctrinely hotile to the jewish people as classical roman christianity but islam is even lower than this since it is a relgion entirely pilfered from another peoples religious tradition. It is lower than the category of anti semitic religion. Hence as I say in the headline to my post, it is anti semitism, as a religion.

Fact checking is not the strong suit of the MSM. Remember, they were the ones who accused American troops of targeting them...

Journalists Targeted but not by American Soldiers

I suggest to LGF readers that they demand a correction from Bill Carter as I have. Go to [Link: topics.nytimes.com...] and click on "Send an email to Bill Carter".

Sincerely, The Celtic Semite.

Funny thing: All the MSM outlets, including Fox News Channel, are teasing us with video leading up to Saddam's hanging but not showing the fatal drop through the trapdoor itself. Meanwhile, last night I watched FNC's Oliver North's War Stories show, about the Nuremburg and Tokyo war crimes trials, and the show had graphic footage of a war criminal being hanged, including the drop through the trap door. I guess if it happened sixty years ago and is in black-and-white, it's okay, but they get squeamish when it's recent and in color. Why the double standard?

CNN is showing the cell phone video. However, they stop it just before the drop. In fact, the video is unique because it's subtitled in English up to that point.

It's on CNN's home page, in the middle of the screen under the Watch Video title, entitled "Inside the Execution Chamber" 2mins.

Seems to me that other blogs have linked to the Google original. Just remember Charles, there ain't no such thing as bad publicity.

#220, Connecticut Yankee. Now that he's got James Brown in the ground Al's gonna regroup. Maybe go out to Sun Valley and do some skiing after the big party that Nancy Pelosi is throwing for him is over. Al's gearing up for the big push and working on an Obama like angle that he figures is gonna catapult him over the field and into the Rose Garden. He is looking for a ghost writer to help him put out a book. Some sort of deal where he writes himself into the new testament or something Maybe an Al Sharpton-Da Vince code angle or something. You know about my Man, The Reverend Al, He always thinks big.

Some prominent sites, like Google’s video site and the conservative blog Littlegreenfootballs.com, have posted the complete cellphone coverage of the execution, including the moment Mr. Hussein falls from view.

Probably no less accurate than any of the other shit they make up.

I suspect that the attitude of The New York Times toward videos is determined essentially by their agenda, and by their calculation of the effect of the video.

The New York Times' pat on the back regarding videos produced by jihadis is explained by the fact that the videos would tend to produce hopelessness on the part of Western viewers. And hopelessness by the public in the West is a good thing, as far as The New York Times is concerned.

The New York Times' objections to videos of Saddam Hussein getting the justice he deserves is explained by the fact that this would produce a sense of hopefulness on the part of Western viewers, concerning meeting the goals of the Iraq project. And hopefulness by the public in the West is a bad thing, as far as The New York Times is concerned.

I said earlier ( apropos anothers comment ):
"Come on then, cite for me one piece of visual art or music which is not ambiguous".

In case Russetshadows or whatever the boy calls himself comes back I had better correct that, to whit:

"Come on then, cite for me one piece of visual art or music which...does not contain ambiguities."

Calculated ambiguity has been one of the central, if not the quintessential characteristics of art of the canon since at least Manet, whose compositions contain a great deal of ambiguity of scale and perspective, easily seen, for example in "The Circus Family".

How Russetchops could have deluded himself into thinking he is an artist without noticing, aw , just a smidgen of ambiguity in the Synthetic Cubism of Pablo Picasso, baffles me.

But enough of art, schmart, if I want to discuss that I'll go to a site where people who know the topic go to to discuss it. Right here its the little matter of the struggle for the survival of Westetn Civilisation that is at issue, surely. I apologise for allowing this digression to arise.

#216 Cognito

I put 'objectivity' in quotes for a reason.

Seems to me that ever since Watergate journalists have been on a crusade to bring big daddy down. Its like a whiny group of adolescents in perpetual rebellion.

You're saying today's journalists work by an 'objective' credo...yet we read instead in the MSM, daily, untruths, partial lies, & half-baked pablum to tell the story as they want it to be, vs. what it is.

Why such division in our nation, post 9/11? The MSM, along with academia, is part & parcel of the massive misinformation campaign, our enemies are too happy to contribute to. A Tokyo Rose by any other name would smell as putrid.

Check out this Egyptian's take on the hanging. Interesting and logical.

#203 Promethea

It's funny how so many people can get so prissy about executions, yet they stay glued to the TV on New Year's Day watching huge men bash each other over and over again. That's kind of brutal entertainment, isn't it?

Interesting. In my acquaintance, the namby-pamby all-we-need-is-love killers-aren't-responsible-for-their-actions types HATE sports, expecially football. I have some theories.

I would write this to the Times directly but I don`t care about them anymore. They haven`t woken up yet to the world as it is (not as we want it to be in our sophmore year at Yale) or to the consequences of people no longer needing a priestly caste of journalists with exclusive access and exclusive storytelling rights.

Calling LGF a "conservative blog" is a pathetic deflection of the true reason why so many of us who used to get excited reading the times now go straight tot he web. They just don`t get it.

I am sure we run the spectrum from True Left to Libertarian to Hard Right. I am sure there is a good number of whacko lefties here to, for kicks and giggles, and because its fun to see what other people think.

But that aside, I come here as I am sure other people who would consider themselves Liberal and progressive, because the Times has completely failed me as a reader when it comes to reporting the most important issues that face our world. I trust that their slant will be advancing a cosmopolitan view of the world, in which they have no obligations to the country and civilization which gave their way of life birth and which supports it-- even with its military, a view of the world where everybody is the same, all cultures and religions are equally good, and a slightly more refined than the Kos Kids version of Bush-is-the-Devil.

231 daughter,

Maybe there's a question in there that I'm not understanding, but again.... there's a reason I put 'objectivity' in quotes.

129 HBob 1/1/2007

Yes, that was the most grisly "fall from view" I have ever seen. I mean, did you guys not see that? First he's there - then he's not. How can you watch something like that?

You must not have seen one of those islamic beheadings then. Saddam's death is a walk in the park compared to them. I thought I could take brutality but I saw one and I never ever want to see another.

Heatherradish:
"Interesting. In my acquaintance, the namby-pamby all-we-need-is-love killers-aren't-responsible-for-their-act ions types HATE sports, expecially football. I have some theories."

I know where youre coming from, maybe going to, with this and maybe I am an exception, but I hate sports ( except shooting, which is not for spectating anyway ) and yet I am all for the wielding of organised violence by the state as a tool of foreign policy. And my view on Saddam was that they should have shot him forthwith, as soon as they had tortured him enough to be sure theyd got every last drop of useful information out of him. Trial be fucked. I mean, its a joke, did we need a trial to prove he was president of Iraq during all of that?

Indeed, my worry is that as they didnt torture him at all, he took the knowledge of where the WMDs were stashed to the grave.

And another thing. I hear executions in the US have been suspended because one of them was a bit painful. Fuck that. They should devise the technique of keeping the fuckers alive and in agony as they die very slowly over a period of months or years. Then apply this to jihadis. They arent afraid of dying, how about twenty years in a state of hyper-algesia. What in "Dune" was called the "pain amplifier" ( "If you fail, you will spend the rest of your life in a pain amplifier" ).

So, mate, I dont know how this squares with your idea that us who dont like sports are squeamish about violence.

Anyway, here in GB the moonbats you describe are mostly fucking crazy about football ( I mean, proper football, the one which uses some skill, what you call soccer, fuck knows why ).

The NYT makes me ill. The paper of record? Bah.

The NYT stinks!