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AP Locates Jamil Hussein?

Thu, Jan 4, 2007 at 4:50:30 pm PST

The Associated Press says the Iraqi Interior Ministry has confirmed the existence of police Capt. Jamil Hussein—and the Iraqis are planning to arrest him for talking to the AP: Iraq threatens arrest of police officer. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The Interior Ministry acknowledged Thursday that an Iraqi police officer whose existence had been denied by the Iraqis and the U.S. military is in fact an active member of the force, and said he now faces arrest for speaking to the media.

Ministry spokesman Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf, who had previously denied there was any such police employee as Capt. Jamil Hussein, said in an interview that Hussein is an officer assigned to the Khadra police station, as had been reported by The Associated Press.

The captain, whose full name is Jamil Gholaiem Hussein, was one of the sources for an AP story in late November about the burning and shooting of six people during a sectarian attack at a Sunni mosque.

The U.S. military and the Iraqi Interior Ministry raised the doubts about Hussein in questioning the veracity of the AP’s initial reporting on the incident, and the Iraqi ministry suggested that many news organization were giving a distorted, exaggerated picture of the conflict in Iraq. Some Internet bloggers spread and amplified these doubts, accusing the AP of having made up Hussein’s identity in order to disseminate false news about the war.

Khalaf offered no explanation Thursday for why the ministry had initially denied Hussein’s existence, other than to state that its first search of records failed to turn up his full name. He also declined to say how long the ministry had known of its error and why it had made no attempt in the past six weeks to correct the public record.

Hussein was not the original source of the disputed report of the attack; the account was first told on Al-Arabiya satellite television by a Sunni elder, Imad al-Hashimi, who retracted it after members of the Defense Ministry paid him a visit. Several neighborhood residents subsequently gave the AP independent accounts of the Shiite militia attack on a mosque in which six people were set on fire and killed.

Khalaf told the AP that an arrest warrant had been issued for the captain for having contacts with the media in violation of the ministry’s regulations.

UPDATE at 1/4/07 5:53:52 pm:

Mickey Kaus gets off a line with a good point:

Capt. Jamil Hussein, controversial AP source, seems to exist. That’s one important component of credibility!

But only one.

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1 hiker  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:51:38pm

This deserves another big yawn.

2 mbruce  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:51:40pm

So what,green helmet guy is real too but his reports and tableau creations are BS.

3 Meatsss  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:52:04pm

Why do I have reservations about this story because AP is the one reporting it?

4 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:53:19pm
5 thriggle  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:54:03pm

Until some source other than the AP reports it, this story's credibility remains in question.

6 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:54:10pm

For some reason I'm leaning toward not beliving this story out of the "press"...

7 jamil hussein  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:54:13pm

Count me as skeptical.

8 new_tommy  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:55:08pm

AllahPundit has commentary.

LGF: Think Green

9 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:56:08pm

Cognito, it appears that Charles did make a thread of this. Disappointed?

10 Dr. Manhattan  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:56:57pm

I fear I will never be satisfied. I would want someone to go talk to Jamil, and deliver him all the questions we would like answered, which are still many. So he delivers the AP 60+ stories which are largely not corroborated, which is illegal (but it happens anyway). But now if anyone would try to ask him a question about those 60 stories, well he just cant, cus that would be illegal! I think this still stinks. he may exist, but the questions remain.

11 Cognito  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:57:27pm

9 E2M,

Of course not. Why would you say that?

12 hiker  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:57:37pm

I say that because due to its track record, whatever the AP says is automatically suspect.

13 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:58:19pm
14 rightwinger3  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:58:23pm

#5 thriggle

Until some source other than the AP reports it, this story's credibility remains in question.

Michelle Malkin is going over soon. Who else can we believe? CNN, Reuters?

15 GregInSeattle  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 2:59:31pm

There's more than what meets the eye on this one.

/I wish I knew what it was

16 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:00:09pm

Well, Green Helmet Guy was also a “real guy”…but he happened to be a terrorist propagandist who masqueraded as a real relief worker…complete with “real” tears of grief for those little dead children whose bodies he exploited…


“Real” tears of grief kind of sound like “kung fu action grip”

Perhaps we could start an action figure line, and in the box of Capt Hussein, or whoever this guy is…there would be no figure…just an empty box with a note from Al-Queda telling us to "say this..." to the AP.

17 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:01:09pm

#11 Cognito

Why would you say that?

Just a hunch based on the tone of your questions in the lounge.

18 Beagle  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:01:59pm
attack on a mosque in which six people were set on fire and killed


That's not the same thing as burning people alive. The story is changing already. My guess was Jamil Hussein is a Sunni who'd like to see more pro-Sunni jihadis active in Iraq. So he spices up/makes up stories to inflame Sunnis in neighboring states to go all Mohammed jihad. Which means AP is in the propaganda business. Don't stop the presses.

But now the corrupt and dangerous Shia in charge will hunt him down or send death squads.

What if both evils are huge?

19 upstatenyr  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:03:27pm

Will he be "transferred" before he can be interviewed?

20 tedzilla99  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:04:09pm

The AP could tell me what my phone number is and I still wouldn't believe it.

21 Bill Amos  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:04:43pm

It gets worse. The AP NEWs is hinting that the whole thing is nothing more than a plot by the US Military to discredit it's sources.

From the article

Hussein appears to have fallen afoul of a new Iraqi push, encouraged by some U.S. advisers, to more closely monitor the flow of information about the country’s violence, and strictly enforce regulations that bar all but authorized spokesmen from talking to media.

22 phoenixgirl  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:05:12pm

#7 j. hussein

you are funny!

23 kay1212  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:05:22pm

How convenient. (From Michelle Malkin's site):

"Khalaf said Thursday that with the arrest of Hussein for breaking police regulations against talking to reporters, the AP would be called to identify him in a lineup as the source of its story.

Should the AP decline to assist in the identification, Khalaf said, the case against Hussein would be dropped. He also said there were no plans to pursue action against the AP should it decline."

24 Cognito  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:05:39pm

17 E2M,

Perhaps next time you sling around accusations through little oblique questions like,

Cognito, it appears that Charles did make a thread of this. Disappointed?

And then follow it up with an equally oblique excuse like,

Just a hunch based on the tone of your questions in the lounge.

You could, perhaps, peruse your own memory. I know you remember what I said. Here's how:


Cognito: I'm pretty sure Charles, if he's the cool guy I think he is, will post a thread about it.
[name redacted]: i am in maple valley, Wa
[name redacted]: later msk8e
Earth2moonbat: LS - I suspect that we're not going to know anthing more of significance for days.
[name redacted]: i am sure he will..

Remember that, E2M?

25 thriggle  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:06:12pm

#14 rightwinger3

Michelle Malkin is going over soon. Who else can we believe? CNN, Reuters?

Has she cited anyone other than the AP yet?

26 Moonstone  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:06:59pm

Please. How long did the AP have to "find" this Jamil Hussein? Several months at least, since his existence was questioned. Those are both fairly common names; you could probably find someone with that name in the Dearborn telephone book.

Shame on anyone who falls for this yet again.

27 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:07:02pm

#18 Beagle

What if both evils are huge?

What did Churchill say about putting in a good word for the devil if he was against Hitler? He did one better. He got into an alliance with the devil against Hitler.

We're in a similar place here.

28 Abu Bin Squid  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:08:36pm

I hope Michelle Malkin stays close to the troops now that she isn't looking for this douche. Or will she still try to track him down?

Godspeed Michelle!

29 surrounded  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:09:37pm

They will produce some clown claiming to be Jamil, but he will be unable to discuss anything with the press because of a gag order.

30 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:10:24pm

I only believe Boy Scouts anymore.

Generally.

31 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:10:32pm

#8 new_tommy
Allah's a class act.

32 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:10:34pm

#24 Cognito

Talking about shaving things out of context?

If you noticed, that was a response to a specific individual (LS) who asked a question that was shaved out of that transcript. The question had nothing to do with your statement. It was something about waiting for more information.

That was NOT a response to you. But you knew that.....

33 Little ol Me  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:11:16pm

Hummm.., I don't know, they are looking to arrest him...after so long....I guess I'd to know for sure if it is a violation of the ministry for police officers to have contact with the media...then I probably would still have doubts

34 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:12:19pm
35 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:12:29pm

#28 Abu Bin Squid

She's safer in Iraq with our troops around her than she is in DC. They'll take care of her.

36 Cognito  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:13:24pm

32 E2M,

No. You misunderstand. I'm reminding you of what I said in the chatroom, and of your presence when I said it.

Then you ran here and tried to pretend I said otherwise.

Done.

37 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:13:41pm

I saw him, Elvis, one of Saddam's doubles, D.B. Cooper, Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Hoffa and Waldo in K-Mart this afternoon, in the house-ware department.

38 daughter of patriots  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:15:01pm

Seems to me they were up against the wall what with blogger-journalist Michelle Malkin flying in. So now they've 'produced' Jamil Hussein. His ID 'papers' are probably fresh off the printer, perfectly legit, of course.

/Heh.

39 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:15:29pm

Let's take a poll:

How many people think that this is a snarky way of implying that Charles won't post a thread on this topic?

Cognito: I'm pretty sure Charles, if he's the cool guy I think he is, will post a thread about it.

Hands?

40 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:15:33pm

#26 Moonstone

Those are both fairly common names; you could probably find someone with that name in the Dearborn telephone book.

... in about 10 seconds.

41 Abu Bin Squid  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:15:43pm

#34 savage_nation

You should dismiss Cognito by waving your paw, and say "bah".

Well said.

#32 E2M

That was NOT a response to you. But you knew that.....

I believe that to be true.

42 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:16:16pm

27 E2M

Except, I can't tell which brand is worse.

I'd stand back and let them at each other.

And work like hell to get off our oil addiction.

And get rid of politicians who cozy up to the Saudis.

43 Jack Reacher  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:17:13pm

Dr. Manhattan has this one pegged, I think. "Yes, he exists, so all you silly bloggers can leave us alone. No, he can't answer any questions, or give interviews, because that's illegal. But we will be using his name as the source of future made up unconfirmed reports of violence in Iraq."

44 Abu Bin Squid  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:17:33pm

#39 E2M

Hand.

45 thriggle  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:18:30pm

#39 E2M

I didn't read it that way.

46 formercorpsman  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:19:23pm

Something about this smells.

No conspiracy, it just smells.

47 Beagle  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:19:50pm

#27 E2m

But unlike Churchill, we can back out (preferably to Kurdistan, aka northern Iraq).

Which reminds me, I'm reading one of the classic WWII history books: The Struggle for Europe, by Chester Wilmot. It's amazing how close the Soviets came to joining the Tripartite Pact.

Stalin demanded German troops out of Finland, a pact with Bulgaria, lease to a warm water port, part of the Persian Gulf, and Japan out of the Sakhalins. Which sounds like a lot until you consider the alternative: Operation Barbarossa.

Hitler could have turned all his power on the UK. That's probably a better historical hypotetical than the so-called Moscow Option. By then Germany was depleted and stretched too thin whatever the plan. Moscow would not have guaranteed victory, IMO.

48 bushleague  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:20:36pm

The AP may as well have a note from Epsteins mother...

49 kay1212  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:21:29pm

#39

Let's take a poll:

How many people think that this is a snarky way of implying that Charles won't post a thread on this topic?

Cognito: I'm pretty sure Charles, if he's the cool guy I think he is, will post a thread about it.


I agree with you. Cognito uses words and phrases that others wouldn't use, qualifiers and other snarky comments. Then when pushed, taps dances backward faster than Shirley Temple in front of a truant officer.

50 rightwinger3  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:21:32pm

thriggle,

#14 rightwinger3

Michelle Malkin is going over soon. Who else can we believe? CNN, Reuters?

Has she cited anyone other than the AP yet?

Not yet but her purpose in going is to find out about this guy and to report on the troops and how they feel about MSM coverage of the war.

51 Beagle  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:25:24pm

There are two Jamil Husseins in the Dearborn metro area, one Hamtramck, one Detroit.

52 saywhat?  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:26:12pm

How convenient, Jamil is located at the same time as Michelle announces her trip to report on the story outside of the msm safe zone.

The AP also updates the story with the revelation that Jamil is under an arrest warrant.

Michelle arrives in Iraq after spin on this story is fully developed in theatre.

Color me skeptical. Michelle, I pray for your continued safety.

53 thriggle  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:27:15pm

I trust Malkin. But as of now I haven't seen any new information--read: not AP information. And seriously, how much can you trust the AP to report about itself.

I look forward to Michelle's info from Iraq.

54 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:28:24pm

#51 Beagle

Waitaminit...

I checked just a little while ago and I only found the one in Hamtramck.

The plot thickens...

/

55 Ghost  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:28:46pm

The AP should not be using anyone that they purport to be a government official, of any government, if it takes them 6 weeks to be able to contact that official. I would think that a person would have to be relatively easy to contact by some means before they could be called a government official.

56 attaboid  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:31:10pm

Obfuscation. Conspiracy. Michael Medved should get on this now.

57 republic  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:32:03pm

OT, but 2nd Amendment rights are very important rights!

", the right of the people to own and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

"Some Perspective ON Call For Gun Control"

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/01-07/01-04-0 7/02opinion.htm

This newspaper is in Massachusetts.

I didn't know that conservatives were allowed to live in Mass.?

I guess I learn something new every day.

/

:D

58 republic  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:36:11pm

#52 thriggle

And seriously, how much can you trust the AP to report about itself.

0

That is my trust level of the A.P., period, whether it is about them, or any of their various stories.

The A.P. is irrelevant!

59 loFlyer  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:36:38pm

My prediction is that Capt Jamil either deserts before he is captured, or he make bond and bails out and dissapears. My predictions on the trial and hanging were almost correct, I didn't figure the libs to protest Saddams hanging so strongly though....(See, I told you so....)

60 Omega  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:37:19pm

Its very fishy still. The AP has a history of using "anonymous" sources to validate almost everything they fabricate. With the aforementioned procedure, they quickly found that their credibility was being questioned constantly.

The only way to reasonably fix the situation was to add "a name and a title". Given the organizational chaos in Iraq, they had an opportunity to create such a person.

Using common 1st and last names, add a title, and viola... Instant "credible source" to substantiate their stories, while also nearly impossible to locate or track down.

Using common names created vague references by other questioned about him, i.e. "yes that name ring a bell". Of course it would, the name is using elements that are as common as "John" and "Smith" here in the US.

There is likely a "Jamil Hussein" somewhere in the police force in some capacity. Its quite possible he's going to be the unfortunate victim since his name is the same as the fabricated AP source.

61 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:38:32pm

♫ Quando got the sti-ik. ♫ ♫ Quando got the sti-ik. ♫

62 easy  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:38:43pm

Whether there is a Capt. Jamil Hussein or not is immaterial. The credibility of the AP in Iraq is the question.

63 samhein  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:38:45pm

#55 Ghost

...."a person would have to be relatively easy to contact by some means before they could be called a government official..."

Well......I've been trying to contact 2 state senators (on another matter) for the last 4 months with absolutely no response from their ends (they don't want to answer my questions). So actually, he would be the perfect government official!

64 markx  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:38:47pm

#19 upstatenyr 1/4/2007

Will he be "transferred" before he can be interviewed?

I just hope he doesn't have an "accident" before he can be interviewed.

*wink*wink*

65 Leper  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:38:48pm

#51 Beagle: It's sad. Hamtramick used to be an entirely Polish neighborhood and a terrific destination for food and culture. Having muslims in the area is like having cockroaches invade.

66 mama winger  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:39:13pm

#58 republic

0

That is my trust level of the A.P., period, whether it is about them, or any of their various stories.


I'm with you, republic. I might as well believe in Worker's World Daily.

67 mama winger  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:40:43pm

#61 E2m

♫ Quando got the sti-ik. ♫ ♫ Quando got the sti-ik. ♫

Cool! When? Sorry I missed it. That one was dog poo.

68 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:40:58pm
#61 Earth2moonbat

Quando got the sti-ik.

Where?

/I checked less than two hours ago and he was still active

69 400lb Gorilla  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:42:13pm

Hey I would tell them I am Jamil Gholaiem Hussein if it meant I could meet Michelle Malkin. She is a babe

70 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:42:37pm

#68 Killian Bundy

Awards thread.

71 Luigi  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:42:38pm

Optimists live longer..

[Link: www.globalgoodnews.com...]

72 least  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:42:52pm

E2M and Cog

Give it a rest.
Agree to disagree.
There are tons of things to write about.

73 sailordude  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:42:53pm
The Associated Press says the Iraqi Interior Ministry has confirmed the existence of police Capt. Jamil Hussein

The only thing confirmed is that the Iraqi Interior Ministry and the AP are in cahoots.

The question is why are they in cahoots? I suspect if you follow the money trail, you will find the answer.

74 FrogMarch  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:43:33pm

#8 New Tommy

Allah's big questions need answers:

How is it that Hussein was able to comment on attacks all over Baghdad, including some far away from his precinct? How come the AP dropped the detail about four mosques being burned when it was challenged after their first report? Why couldn’t Bob Owens find corroborating stories from other media outlets on so many incidents sourced to Hussein? And why weren’t Armed Liberal’s sources, Eason Jordan’s sources, and Michelle’s sources collectively able to find this guy?

75 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:43:51pm

#35 E2M

Yeah, I work in the District...and let me tell you about the crime rate here. Plus the ever-illustrious DC Gov. has made sure that no responsible gun owner is allowed to protect him or herself with a concealed weapon of any sort…leaving the criminals with guns, knives, and crowbars and free will to practically terrorize certain wards at night…I would know I’ve seen brutal crime happen before me, and I have also been a victim of DC street crime due to the fact that I was unarmed. To top matters off I work the night shift...which is a bit of a bummer to see the seedy underside of the nations capital.

The troops will keep Michelle safe in Iraq, much safer than if she was walking the streets in ward 7 or 8 in DC at 11:00PM.

76 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:43:56pm
Jamil Gholaiem Hussein

Now he has a middle name, so it should be much easier to track him, yes?

77 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:45:34pm
78 Cartman  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:47:53pm

#63 sam

Well......I've been trying to contact 2 state senators (on another matter) for the last 4 months with absolutely no response from their ends (they don't want to answer my questions). So actually, he would be the perfect government official!

You didn't even receive the standard "screw off, you bother us" form letter?

79 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:48:35pm

Oh, and for everyone’s information… I am NOT Capt Jamil Hussein.

Don’t confuse your captains…

80 Luigi  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:48:37pm

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

...Evangelical Christians are in fact extremely active in Iranian society and their number is believed to be growing.

...

Authorities provided no official reason for the arrests of the members of the Protestant Church, who had all converted from Islam, but fellow congregation members suspected the reason was their criticism of the government-sponsored conference which questioned the extermination of six million Jews during World War II.

81 mama winger  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:48:43pm

#77 savage

Well, I did mean the Communist rag, but the supermarket tabloid has just as much credibility too! LOL!

82 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:49:02pm
#70 Earth2moonbat

Awards thread.

I figured he would have taken it last night after basically calling Charles a Nazi.

/anyway, well deserved stick acxtion

83 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:49:11pm

#77 savage_nation

Bat boy is a proto-moonbat:

Bat Boy has a chaotic sense of morality. He has been known to steal cars as well as come to the aid of the needy.

Hmmm......

84 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:50:37pm

#82 Killian Bundy

/anyway, well deserved stick action

Four on the floor with no clutch.

85 HeatherRadish  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:52:15pm

#66 mama winger

I'm with you, republic. I might as well believe in Worker's World Daily.

Or Women's Wear Daily.

86 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:53:26pm

This is what the AP will become in about 20 years…

Future AP Headline?


They are a joke...

87 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:54:24pm

Thats right...the AP will know BAT BOY!

88 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:54:41pm
89 wanumba  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:57:12pm

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
The part about the original sources is very odd. Looks like a lot of exquisitely parsed sentences. Hussein is now marked down as a secondary source? Not primary? There's another dodge right there. Who's the reporter who filed all this crap? Associated Press is always the writer, as if "Associated Press" was a person at a keyboard, not a corporate identity.
This article is a dodge. "Several residents also were interviewed ..." Yeh, who didn't confirm the reported mosque destruction. The mosque isn't reporting the claimed destruction, either.
The purpose of this piece is not to produce Capt Hussein, but to cast doubt on bloggers. If a "journalist" at "AP" used a "Capt Hussein" man, then that person is the worst record-keeper in the world or lost all his/her notes or really doesn't want to have this looked into too closely.
The crying shame of all this is that more bloggers aren't going to Iraq and filing articles form there. Nothing like a little light to expose the cockroaches scurrying around.
This is going to get uglier as it goes on. AP articles are printed in huge numbers of newspapers in the US and read over the airways as the Gospel truth - that is according to AP.

90 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:57:33pm

#88 savage_nation

If Gore had Bat Boy and Fred Phelps both supporting him, he couldn't have lost. Bush stole the election!

91 Cartman  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:57:43pm

Well, I can't speak for the rest of you Lizards, but I know I will sleep a little more soundly tonight, after witnessing Queen Pelosi's "corronation" this afternoon.

/gag

92 tronman  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:58:12pm

I say NUKE THEM NOW! But hey, thats just me...

93 ctrlL  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:59:33pm

After giving this some thought, imo, the HOT interview at the moment would seem to be ~~~
Eason Jordan

He has publicly declared that there is no one to be found with this name and rank at the Iraqi police.

Did he lose again?

94 WeddingGuy  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 3:59:36pm

Excuse me... isn't THIS just another single sourced report as well ?

95 Adrenalyn  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:00:09pm

so because A.P. says he
"seems" to exist we should believe them ?

well, what if I put an antenna on my head
would I "seem" to be Marin Martian ?

96 mama winger  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:02:14pm

#91 Cartman

/gag

Tenfold. But hey - it's for the children . . . .

97 tresho  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:02:49pm

The shoddy and ideologically motivated war journalism typical of the MSM is beyond a doubt. Much of the discussion about "Jamil Hussein" is a smoke screen detracting from more important issues.

98 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:03:57pm
99 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:04:29pm

Criticize Islam, lose your medical liscence...
Parish at war over 'anti-Islam' booklet written by local doctor

Dr Mick Russon, who has been an associate GP at the Hillswick health centre since 2004, was suspended by the Shetland Health Board after he sent out a 46-page booklet, entitled Proclamation, to more than 200 people in the parish of Northmavine. The health authority took the disciplinary action after receiving a complaint from a member of the public. His case has now been referred to the General Medical Council.

The pamphlet makes no direct reference to the Islamic faith, but critics claim that Dr Russon's repeated references to a "Babylonian Moon God" and Satan are a thinly veiled attack on Allah and that he is asserting that Islam is Satanic.


One single complaint! What does this have to do with his medical practice?

100 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:05:57pm

#94 WeddingGuy
It sure is, proceed with caution.

101 bonz  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:06:17pm

From now on you will answer to Jamil Hussein. Here are your papers. We'll handle your work history. Got it?

102 republic  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:06:21pm

Song about the A.P.,

"Spin spin spin, spin like a spinnin top",

"Spin spin..WOOOOOO..Spin spin"

"Spin spin spin, spin like a spinnin top",

Spin spin..WOOOOOO..Spin spin

"The A.P. spins so much.. no one knows when it's going to stop"

"Spin spin..WOOOOO.. Spin spin"

I will guarentee anyone this, though, that the deception by the A.P. and the msm in general, is going to continue to get worse, in fact, much worse.

Guarenteed!

103 Memphis  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:08:38pm

What makes me suspicious (upon reading the full story) is that AP comes out smelling like a rose while the blogosphere is pinned with causing a new restriction on press freedom (which AP compares to those in Saddam's days).

For whatever it's worth, I received an email from a member of AP's Board yesterday afternoon in response to one from me. This director had apparently been unaware of the controversy but then -just yesterday- spent "several hours" researching it online and "shared that concern with AP management, who is not idle regarding the matter." Said director also told me that more info was forthcoming and that "this matter will be a topic at the next AP Board meeting." I doubt this adds anything to the discussion... just sharing because I was proud to have rattled AP's cage!

Whatever. It still smells and I look forward to Michelle's reports.

104 republic  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:08:53pm

#99 Killgore Trout

One single complaint! What does this have to do with his medical practice?

I guess one should never underestimate the power of a moonbat!

105 mama winger  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:09:30pm

#102 republic

For you:

Spinning Wheel


Blood, Sweat and Tears

106 Cognito  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:10:36pm

I'm wondering: Does anyone here feel that, after much demand that the AP produce its source Jamil Hussein, they've done it?

107 bushleague  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:12:03pm

Cog - Nah

108 mama winger  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:12:12pm

#106 Cognito

Not without further evidence, independent of the AP.

109 bweep  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:12:13pm

OT The billionaire founder of amazon.com has released the first video of the launch of his private spacecraft.

Footage of the cone-shaped Goddard vehicle shows it climbing to 285 feet (85m) before returning back to earth.

110 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:12:47pm

#61 Earth2moonbat

Seriously?

111 mama winger  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:13:57pm

#110 Mandy

It's official. Near the end of the awards thread.

Doesn't it smell fresher already? Ahhhh . ....

112 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:14:16pm

#99 Killgore Trout

The pamphlet makes no direct reference to the Islamic faith, but critics claim that Dr Russon's repeated references to a "Babylonian Moon God" and Satan are a thinly veiled attack on Allah and that he is asserting that Islam is Satanic.

If the shoe fits......

113 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:14:31pm
#106 Cognito

I'm wondering: Does anyone here feel that, after much demand that the AP produce its source Jamil Hussein, they've done it?

I trust my son in a candy store more than I do the A.P..

114 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:14:46pm

Forget Jamil Hussein. That's old news.

Let's keep it fresh. I've got the latest Nork news and a Miss America update.

Have to stay focused on the important stuff. Admit it, you've been jonesing for some Tara Conner news over the holidays.

115 tronman  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:14:48pm

If we nuke them all now, we won't have to later...the early bird gets the worm, and the early worm gets eaten by the damned bird...


Preemptive nuclear escalation before they have nukes...the only logical path to middle east peace!

116 jamil hussein  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:14:59pm

#106 Cognito
What was the question, again?

117 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:15:29pm

#111 mamma winger

Is it unseemly to gloat?

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

/cartwheels

118 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:15:31pm

#106 Cognito

Have they?

119 m  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:16:13pm

#99 Killgore Trout

The pamphlet makes no direct reference to the Islamic faith, but critics claim that Dr Russon's repeated references to a "Babylonian Moon God" and Satan are a thinly veiled attack on Allah and that he is asserting that Islam is Satanic.

If the horns fit...
Only satan could pull the wool over so many eyes. He took hold of the profit prophet and the world has paid for it ever since.

120 mama winger  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:16:47pm

#117 Mandy

If it is unseemly to gloat, I was quite unseemly on the end of that thread,

121 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:17:01pm

#117 MandyManners

Wear panties if you're going to do that.

122 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:17:58pm

Is it me or did the dotted lines return to the left and right?

123 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:18:05pm

Not that I mind, but this is a G rated blog......kinda.......

124 tronman  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:18:31pm

Yeah the thin dotted lines are back...

125 republic  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:19:24pm

#105 mama winger

Thank you mama w!

:D

126 m  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:22:42pm

#92 tronman

I say NUKE THEM NOW! But hey, thats just me...

Who would you nuke, specifically? AP headquarters? Iraq in general? Or the whole middle east?

Oh and smile- you just became lgfwatch circle-jerk material.

127 ec marm  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:23:02pm

#114 JammieWearingFool
No fair using sex appeal for visits! Kidding, of course. You should see the spike in traffic I got after I posted the burka babe! The "visits" went straight up, and stayed firm for hours. Eventually, it hit a crescendo and softened, of course. :~)

128 Iron Fist  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:25:04pm

#126 m,

NUKE the piviot-man :-)

129 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:26:17pm

ec marm,

Everything peters out eventually.

Tara has been very good for traffic.

130 tronman  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:27:18pm

#126 m


Personally I'd start with Canada(Quebec), then move to California, France, Mass. (unless they kick Kennedy and Murtha out) then move the cross hairs to the middle east...

That way they get the opportunity to see whats coming unless they settle their asses down...

But hey...I'm flexible...we can start with Iran if you want...

131 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:27:23pm

Until someone other than the f*cking Associated Press talks to this "Jamil Hussein" character, and confirms he is who they say he is (and not some Achmed, Ali or Farook off the street), I still say it's bunk.

And they still need to produce the 6 men who were "doused in kerosene and burned alive" and the 4 mosques that were "destroyed".

This isn't close to being "put to bed"...

132 Earth2moonbat  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:27:37pm

#127 ec marm

I like Zombie's better.

133 m  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:28:58pm

#128 Iron Fist ~ hahahahahaha!

134 m  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:31:44pm

Dave Ray? *snicker*

135 NY Nana  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:39:11pm
136 hurricane567  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 4:57:53pm

1)AP made up Jamil Hussein:bad
2)Jamil Hussein is a real guy, but not a cop, and was making up stuff which the AP printed: also bad
3)Jamil Hussein is a real guy and a real cop, but was *still* making up stuff that the AP printed: bad, bad, bad
This is a no win situation for the AP and M.M. will prbly get to the bottom of it.
If Jamil Hussein is a real guy the MOI needs to throw the book at him (i suggest an unabridged dictionary). If he's not, the MOI and the DOD should REVOKE AP's press privlidges.
FYI, swtichboard.com sez there's 3 Jamil Husseins in Baton Rouge and 4 in New Orleans. I doubt they are cops lol

137 wanumba  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 5:01:29pm
#93 ctrIl
After giving this some thought, imo, the HOT interview at the moment would seem to be ~~~
Eason Jordan

He has publicly declared that there is no one to be found with this name and rank at the Iraqi police.
Did he lose again?

Almost missed that! Hahaha!
Can't win for losing can he? Or maybe he had his angle to work and forgot to coordinate it with AP. Not to worry, Jamil will be busy taking police in-service training courses that he'd signed up for months ago and can't possible stop in order to talk to the media for another four weeks, maybe more.

138 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 5:10:55pm

Well, of course they found him.

...after he was busy videoing Saddam's execution on his cell phone!

/nah

139 the_flying_pig  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 5:18:41pm

AP probably took an Iraqi out of the streets of Baghdad, persuaded him that he is really Jamil Hussein with amnesia, finally convinced him to he's Jamil Hussein and issued a news bulletin that they'd founded and produced Jamil Hussein in public, at last!

Good job, AP!

140 Egfrow  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 5:23:43pm

If I were AP and I had faked over 60 stories I would have sent a man with a few suitcases of Cash to pay a few Iraqi officials to "find" Jamail.

141 samhein  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 5:32:45pm

#78 Cartman

Nope. See, it is a subject that many politicians throughout the country are trying to avoid. They know there are so many against the subject, and that we've already cornered a number of politicians and feds in lies, deceit...yadda...yadda....

They also know that we know this is being done for the benefit of and because of big business, UN, WTO, etc. which the gov't has tried to back pedal on, but we have found too much to back us up.

142 gymnast  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 5:38:21pm

For some reason, after reading this AP story, about the AP and "the AP's source", I do not feel enlightened, I feel skeptical. The last two paragraphs of the story are interesting.

Taken as a whole, the story is little more than sophistry and rhetorical slight of hand. Where is Hussein and does he confirm that he is the source of every single one of the stories where he is cited as the source by AP? The AP lets us down once more.

143 Shredstar  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 5:50:13pm

Is it really a crime worthy of arrest to talk to the AP? Also, was it really a "crime" to record video of Hussein's hanging from a cellphone? The real issue there is the madmen shouting at the even which needs to be a methodical official procedure. The US military needs to do a new sweep and tell everyone to NOT BE STUPID. We will leave once you people stop behaving like dogs and morons.

There are many many people in Iraq government able to make a difference, but they just don't care, are incompetent, or corrupt. This is so frustrating. Every city in america should have a team of a few Iraq policemen training at their best SWAT schools. Who cares anymore? Not my problem.

144 wanumba  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 5:59:05pm
Capt. Jamil Hussein, controversial AP source, seems to exist. That’s one important component of credibility!


Are these people completely mad?
seems to exist? seems to exist?
What important component of credibility are we supposed to glean from that?
Jamil Hussein has indications of existing?
Jamil Hussein appears to exist.
Jamil Hussein has a reasonable probability of existing?
Jamil Hussein might possibly exist?
Jamil Hussein may exist.
That's the best AP can do? Aren't they a multi-million dollar organization with deep resources and ace reporters with decades of insights with regional experts who speak dozens of obscure local languages, and know just EVERYBODY who's anybody or are they just a couple of stinky slobs with a fax and a photcopier?

Blog em, Dan-O!

145 mjk  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 6:34:21pm

Big deal. I bet "Jamil Hussein" is the same as "John Smith" here. A common name.
Even if it's the guy that has been the source, his stories seem a little too "Jack and the Beanstalk" for me (exaggerated and unsubstantiated).
I require more info then "Yes, he sure does exist".

146 Obscure  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 6:35:21pm

Heh. The Iraqi government says they identified Capt. Jamil and will call the AP to pick him out of a lineup or they'll drop the charges. So here's a fun scenario for the AP: pick Jamil Hussein out of a line up and their source goes to jail or refuse to help the Iraqi government and raise further doubts as to whether or not there is really a Jamil Hussein working for the Iraqi police department. I mean, it's kind of strange that they want the AP to identify Jamil Hussein out of a line up if they already know that there is such a guy, right? Why would they need the AP's help in finding Jamil Hussein? This could be a clever ploy by the Iraqi government to discredit the AP.

147 edr  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 9:27:44pm

Hmmmm.

1. I'll believe it when I see it.

2. It sure took long enough.

148 Fight The Hypocrisy  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 9:34:57pm

This story from the AP is in and of itself is so biased that it is sad to know that it comes from one of the top 2 or 3 reporting agencies in the world and is therefore in control of around 1/3 of the total spin news cycle.

The existence of Jamil Hussein was only the tip of the iceberg of which bloggers used to blow a hole in the hull of the AP's sinking ship. But to read this news article from the AP one that did not know the facts of the story and had not been following along would think that the proof of Mr. Hussein's being a real Iraqi police officer was the one and only thing in doubt about the credibility of the AP's reporting.

The question of Jamil Hussein's existence did not just simply materialize as a scandal out of thin air. The scandal was first raised because of the many conflicting reports of what actually happened that night. The AP originally reported that 4 mosques were set ablaze that night and it was not long after that the FACT that any fire whatsoever only came into contact with one mosque that night and that one mosque was most certainly not "burned down" as the AP had initially reported.

Then came the six Sunni's who were supposedly burned alive while Iraqi police stood back and watched. The AP was so disconnected from reality at the time that it thought it could just report anything, no matter how horrendous, and it wouldn't garner any more attention than any other daily atrocity being committed on the ground in Iraq.

They were wrong - and that was the true millstone that they hung around their own necks. Anyone who read that initial article was aghast and sickened which led some to look deeper for answers. And when they looked they found not answers but an ever deepening well of questions.

In this age of video cell phones in nearly everyone's hands, especially in Baghdad, combined with the salivation over photos and footage of everything bloody and atrocious coming from the mouths - and more importantly pockets - of rich "war-fatigued" journalists too afraid to leave the Green Zone that no scathing goes unseen. None except for this, could it be? If so, if this story really happened just as the AP said it did and somehow there really were no pictures of these events then surely every journalist in town would want to be the first to "get the scoop" from friends and family members of the deceased. Alas, none were to be found and to this day these people remain unfound. It seems impossible, right?

So naturally when nothing and no one turned up and with the story of the burning mosques being changed around like it was - without any kind of editor's correction note or anything of the sort - rather it was just changed with the original version being disappeared down that ever-deepening "question well" it was only a matter of time before someone decided to Google the article's only source (for those few of us who don't get al-Aribiya via satellite, that is) - Jamil Hussein. When Hussein's name popped up as the source in dozens of AP, and only AP, stories and nearly all of them quoted him speaking about unspeakable things well then it was only natural for the 1st step to be to locate this Mr. Jamil Hussein.

Now that that job seems to be done it seems to me, at least, that it's time for the AP and Hussein, to begin to answer these other questions which raise reasonable suspicion over the voracity of the AP's reporting in Baghdad. Not only of this "4 burning mosques and 6 burning Sunnis" story but all of them. Let's assume they should at least start with the ones involving the use of Jamil Hussein as their primary source and see what else comes crawling out from under the slimy rock that is called the AP.

149 Highrise  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 9:37:20pm

#60 Omega


There is likely a "Jamil Hussein" somewhere in the police force in some capacity. Its quite possible he's going to be the unfortunate victim since his name is the same as the fabricated AP source.

I was thinking this too. I was thinking to myself, this poor guy is most likely innocent and probably will be tortured until he admits to it.

150 Fight The Hypocrisy  Thu, Jan 4, 2007 9:37:45pm

Whew! Man that wore me out - I'm going to bed now. Thanks to anyone who takes the time to read it because it sure took awhile to write. I think I forgot to take my OCD meds.

/g'nite

151 inrussetshadows  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 1:15:50am

#38 -- I agree. The AP is scared witless by Michelle Malkin. This also demonstrates that the dinosaur media is genuinely afraid of the blogosphere holding their feet to the fire. Here's a clue, guys: do your job and we wouldn't have to do yours.

Jamal exists like Baghdad Bob exists. His stories are still ludicrous and typical overblown Arabic boasting.

152 ex cathedra  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 3:10:39am

#148 Fight The Hypocrisy

Excellent points - all of them. Bravo! Finding the man with name equivalent to "John Doe" is just the tip of the iceberg. We need to fill a lot of holes about the stories themselves given by this unusually prolific source.

153 anotherindyfilmguy  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 3:37:51am

But... but... but didn't AP report him as a SGT originally... not a CPT... sounds like saying saying "SGT John Smith said" then eventually a CPT John Smith is found and trotted out as the guy... sigh... but then it's all just the big lie effect I guess.. so when do some folks at start getting charged with treason by the US/Iraqis again?

154 Jed  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 3:59:34am

He will be hanged before anycone can talk to him.

155 Friend of USA  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 4:07:10am

That AP story is more an occasion to bash bloggers than to present serious evidence that Jamil does exist.

Like the New York Time lying through their teeth about Saddam's execution video being shown here at LGF,
it is neither News nor Information but just propaganda against bloggers.

When bloggers expose the MSM's fake stories, the MSM just fabricate more stories in which they are right and the bloggers are wrong;
lies to cover lies.

156 LordDilly  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 4:17:28am
Khalaf said Thursday that with the arrest of Hussein for breaking police regulations against talking to reporters, the AP would be called to identify him in a lineup as the source of its story.

Hmmm... could this actually be a ploy to trap the AP? Force them to put up or shut up?

157 wargammer2005  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 4:49:43am

#47 Beagle

i've also heard the stalin wa going to give away the a lot of land to hitler, to keep the peace.

but anytime i've wargammed it, Germany wins agaisnt Russia and has enough time and materials to keep the Allies at bay.
but i always stop the german advance at the first sign of bad weather that first year of the invasion, time is not an issue if you win.

the Atomic bomb would have hard to deliever to Germany if their jets were up and flying.

i've also read the stalin had his spies in the State Dept force a tough line for FDR to give to Japan, to force Japan into war with the US, to keep stalin's behind safe. if Japan had attacked they would have owned the coast with their navy and air force, on land they would have had a hard time against the soviets with tanks and the will to loose as many men as needed to beat back the Japanese. but stalin could not afford to fight japan and germany at the same time, so his spies in our goverment went to work.

158 continuum  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 6:04:25am

Now, that Michelle Malkin is going over to Iraq for 3 weeks we can finally get to the bottom of the truth.

I suggest that she dig up the graves of the six dead burned Iraqis and question them with aggressive measures.

If necessary, she could use loud heavy metal music, isolation (although coming from a grave the dead Imans may not consider that too much of a punishment), or even water boarding. She wouldn't even have to worry about organ failure so this would definitely not be considered torture.

Should the Imans continue to refuse to answer whether they were indeed burned alive, she should dig up the graves of perhaps a couple of hundred thousand other dead Iraqis, and see which if any of those dead people were witnesses to this non-civil war, small sectarian violence, act of burning alive.

If after the end of 3 weeks, she still does not have the truth, I believe that the SecDef should extend her service for another say 3 weeks, or maybe 12 months to join in the current surge of American presence in Baghdad. A win-win situation for everyone.

Thank God that Michelle Malkin will finally get to the real truth, and we can continue to ignore the Bush administration's complete disaster.

I say once again, "God Bless You, Michelle", for you surely need his blessing.

159 wanumba  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 6:16:04am

#158 continuum
Okay. What did you discover on your last field trip to Iraq? Oh, dare you admit that you haven't gone anywhere recently to add anything of value to the debate? You are repeating DNC talking points out of a fax and email mass mailing, while Michelle is getting of her chair and hauling all the way to Iraq to take a look.
Just as we suspected, the AP and the MSM has a problem: They do not want anyone, any chance of an upset of their carefully crafted monopoly on the picture coming out of Iraq. Otherwise, why all the panic? Why are so many trolls out trying to stomp this burning twig out?

160 ChenZhen  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 6:25:28am

There seems to be some strange circular irony in all this.

In an attempt to prove that the situation in Iraq isn't as bad as the AP says it is, Malkin and Curt discover just how bad Iraq really is. I mean, what to make of the fact that it takes 6 weeks just to locate an Iraqi policeman? It ain't good...

161 continuum  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 6:28:52am

Now, that Michelle Malkin is going over to Iraq for 3 weeks we can finally get to the bottom of the truth.

I suggest that she dig up the graves of the six dead burned Iraqis and question them with aggressive measures.

If necessary, she could use loud heavy metal music, isolation (although coming from a grave the dead Imans may not consider that too much of a punishment), or even water boarding. She wouldn't even have to worry about organ failure so this would definitely not be considered torture.

Should the Imans continue to refuse to answer whether they were indeed burned alive, she should dig up the graves of perhaps a couple of hundred thousand other dead Iraqis, and see which if any of those dead people were witnesses to this non-civil war, small sectarian violence, act of burning alive.

If after the end of 3 weeks, she still does not have the truth, I believe that the SecDef should extend her service for another say 3 weeks, or maybe 12 months to join in the current surge of American presence in Baghdad. A win-win situation for everyone.

Thank God that Michelle Malkin will finally get to the real truth, and we can continue to ignore the Bush administration's complete disaster.

I say once again, "God Bless You, Michelle", for you surely need his blessing.

162 continuum  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 6:37:52am

Okay, wanumba, I've got enought airline miles. If you'll join me, I suggest we both join Michelle on her Iraqi visit.

However, I must confess to the following.

Unlike Michelle, I do not speak fluent Arabic and thus would be unable to question possible eyewitnesses to this supposed burning.

And, unlike Michelle, I have no experience in forensic archeology, and thus even though I would gladly help did up the graves, I would be unable to have her expertise in determing the cause of death.

However, I do speak fluent English. Thus, I could join her and you, behind the walls of the Green Zone. We could then aggressively question the American generals, majors, colonels and Pakistani cooks as to what really happened in Iraqi. If they refused to answer, I suggest that we again resort to water boarding, or else hours of BeeGee music.

I would also like to join you and Michelle in a bet by walking the streets of Baghdad, without military escort. The bet is this: How long before any or all of us become partially, or totally dead. Hopefully, one of the hundreds of camera cell phones will capture the event, so that the American public will not have to rely on the lies of the AP.

Send me a link, and we can work out the travel plans.

163 drool  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 7:10:05am

You mean mean we weren't told the truth by our government and the Iraqis lied to us too.

Wow.

164 wanumba  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 7:48:33am

#162 continuum
Seems that AP has the same problem you have. They rely on translators and local sources to give them info. And, like the MSM, you knock Michelle for needing to rely on the same systems for gathering information. Why is it without question the modus operandi for AP and fellow travelers, but abruptly a mark against Michelle? Can't have it both ways.

I would also like to join you and Michelle in a bet by walking the streets of Baghdad, without military escort. The bet is this: How long before any or all of us become partially, or totally dead. Hopefully, one of the hundreds of camera cell phones will capture the event, so that the American public will not have to rely on the lies of the AP.


Ya know what? I've been carjacked in West Africa, watched tracer bullets from my house window at night while my kids were sleeping, holed up in seclusion for days on lock downs during several coups, with children to feed and care for, worked to provide humanitarian aid under the burdens of violent social chaos and curfews, and you think you can out dare me by inviting me to walk with YOU down a Baghdad street? Hoo-yah.
Wrong person for that put down. I could walk down such a street; I've had to walk extremely iffy places before, unarmed, unescorted, working in foreign languages, sweet talking my way through local police checks, so I do know very well what it takes, but not with the likes of someone like you. You wouldn't know how to do it right. Rule no. 1 to remember, anywhere one goes, there are far more decent people out there who are helpful than there are of nasties who sneak around looking for trouble. I say this all to inform people that it is very possible to move about safely even in regions of trouble - common sense applies, and the media ALWAYS makes it look like everywhere is a mess, when it isn't the case. If you were so concerned about others' well-being, and was a gentleman or perhaps if female, a woman of honor, however, with no children to worry about, you should have volunteered to go in Michelle's place. But, alas, the appears as if the conservative women have to wear the pants in the journalistic world.
Partially dead? Plueez
And Baghdad is just one city in a large country. Guess everyone is tactitly admitting that the rest of the country is quite reasonable, unlike the mass chaos and disaster the MSM, including AP is promoting. What's so unsettling about going to take a look?
To discourage this means you don't want to know anything different.

165 continuum  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 9:18:44am

wanumba, offer still stands. Give me a contact link and let's go.

If you think Baghdad is too dangerous, lets pick another Iraqi city. Again, sans military escort.

Maybe, we could sit at a cafe and order some coffee and enjoy the peaceful city life.

Tikrit maybe.
Falujah, to be sure.
But, you can make the choice.

(Partially dead ---> meaning 1 of 3, 2 of 3, or else missing arms, legs or various other body parts. You're right, I should have been more explicit.)

166 Chyron  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 10:03:38am
#165 continuum 1/5/2007 11:18AM PST

Maybe it's not so easy for everyone to just pack up and leave their homes on some unreal offer from some snarky blog commenter.

If you, or anyone on 'your' side can even show graves of the burnt men, or of the destroyed masque, or the site of the burning, then by all means, let us see it.

There are people over there who's job is to perform investigative reporting from Iraq, and you would deny making the request that they do some investigating?

Nope, keep deriding us because we don't have the luxury of packing up and going to Iraq for a fact-finding tour. That makes the AP so much more credible.

167 continuum  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 10:29:13am

"Maybe it's not so easy for everyone to just pack up and leave their homes on some unreal offer from some snarky blog commenter."

Chyron, I really like your way of thinking. Hope you don't mind if I pass your comment on to the National Guard troops, or Army/Marine reservists, or shucks even the regular Army guys, who've had their tours extended two, three or more times.

They'll know how hard it must be to just pack and leave their homes. Heck, maybe they can use that excuse when the President extends their tours again for the "surge" coming up in Baghdad.

"Gee, Sarge.....you see, I just can't stay here in Iraq. I mean, I had to pack up my stuff, and I have a home and kids, and it is just, too hard.....can't you guys get someone else."

Chyron, I think you may have something there with your line of reasoning. Hey, it worked for Cheney during Vietnam who just "had more important things to do."

Instead of being a conscientious objector, we can call it the "neocon objector".

168 Chyron  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 10:46:43am
#167 continuum 1/5/2007 12:29PM PST

You have no idea what I do, but presume to think you do, and speak to me as if my function in society is useless.

We are all not soldiers, or capable of being soldiers, and it is wrong to try to write off anyone's opinion here because they aren't serving in the armed forces. They have their job, I have mine.

And you ignore the rest of my post, quite possibly because you're just an internet troll. It seems the case, since it is the only reason to avoid the many points I made, in favor to instead try to defame my position.

Sorry I wasted time actually trying to have a debate. See you in another thread.

169 LM  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 11:29:00am

Why does this remind me of the old definition of a Jesuit as someone who, when accused of murdering two men and a dog, produces the dog alive?

And the AP won't identify him in a lineup. How reassuring. While they're at it, why don't they just tell us up front whether the dog ate any of their other homework ...?

170 continuum  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 12:24:39pm

Chryon,

Your words are loud and clear. I wouldn't change one line you have written.

Anyone who reads your thoughts understands completely what you stand for, and what you are willing to defend.

Keep on blogging.

171 wanumba  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 12:33:58pm

C

172 wanumba  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 12:40:07pm

What a day. All I accomplished was to get offered a date to Baghdad with a troll.
Allah n'est pas oblige d'etre juste dans toutes ses choses ici-bas.
Woolayi!

173 continuum  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 12:49:37pm

J'en vous comprends pas. Je suis très désolé.

174 bos  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 1:48:54pm

From the author of the original AP piece:

This is the last I will speak of this episode because, to a large extent, discovering that a bunch of conservative bloggers and their pathetic readers have been smearing a person or organization based on total fiction is hardly news. This is what these people do -- it’s part of their lifestyle.

175 wanumba  Fri, Jan 5, 2007 7:39:27pm

Non? Tant pis.
Maintenant, continuum me fait la gueule. :(
Vous n'avez pas vu le Monsieur Jamil Hussein par hazard?
Kuuliza si ujinga.

176 continuum  Sat, Jan 6, 2007 5:58:42am

Don't really speak Swahili, but Bush and company could certainly belie the phrase.

177 wanumba  Sat, Jan 6, 2007 8:39:25am

It is a Swahili proverb that means:
"To ask is not stupidity"

Then by old African wisdom, President Bush and company are smart to review and to ask for more information beofre making new policy or altering old. Likewise, anyone who wants to wants to lay rest to their doubts about the ever elusive Jamil Hussein should not be mocked.
JM was incredibly easy to find when AP wanted reporting, (60 articles - how many reporters are that lucky to have such a string of articles printed) and didn't mind at all that his name was used, but the moment someone scratched a head and said, Wait a minute," Jamil Hussien is nowhere.
Therefore:
Mwenda bure si mkaa bure, huenda akaokota.
That's what AP is afraid of, isn't it?
A aimless traveller is not like he who sits down aimlessly, a traveller might come across something.

178 continuum  Sat, Jan 6, 2007 12:01:04pm

belie - be in contradiction with
contradict, negate

Thus to imply that Bush belies the phrase "Kuuliza si ujinga" implies that in some cases his asking is indeed stupidity.

179 wanumba  Sat, Jan 6, 2007 1:04:36pm

I know what you said by "belie".

Bush is smart enough to ask questions, which is considered a 1) sign of wisdom 2) those who mock a man who has enough sense to ask questions in order to make informed decisions, are fools.
AP and fellow travellers are mocking people who have questioned their souces. DOes that inspire confidence in AP or disgust?
Don't forget. AP provides a PRODUCT. IF the CLIENTS come to believe the PRODUCT is DEFECTIVE, why should they waste their good, hard-earned money on it?
AP claiming that they have solved their problem to their own satisfaction won't be enough any more, not they way they've behaved. That didn't save the accounting firm Arthur Anderson, did it?


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