Bite me Kathlislam

Hey, Kathleen Carroll.

“AP runs hundreds of stories a day, and has run thousands of stories about things that have never happened in Iraq.”

Fixed that for you.

To every byline
Spin, spin,spin.
there is a question
spin spin spin
and a time to every falsehood from the AP

Whoever controls the information stream, controls the world. AP is just another villainous, dishonest cog in the big disinformation machine. Thankfully, we now have more independent news sources than ever before, thanks to sites like LGF and others. All hope is not lost...

Yet.

“A man who is a legitimate police official who has talked to journalists is threatened with arrest for doing so,” she said. “Doesn’t that bother anybody other than me? Officials being threatened with arrest for talking to reporters ought to be of concern.”

I'm curious: Does anyone find this to be a worthwhile point?

exactly - that was the original point that hussein was always the go-to guy for stories...horror stories

I'm looking forward to Michelle getting to the bottom of this story as one of her "missions" in Iraq. G*d speed Michelle and be safe.

Well you have to understand, journalists are a sophisticated, educated elite. Whereas, bloggers are just an out of control mob with pitchforks and torches.

Keep digging that hole, Kathleen.

Kos blames the heartless fascists...
Rubbing it in
by kos

Problem is, Carroll thinks the wingnutosphere cares about people's lives. In reality, they are more than willing to throw away people's lives -- including 3,000+ American servicemembers -- for the greater glory of their deity George Bush.

#6 cognito

It's Iraq. Get it? Shit don't work right there.

“A man who is a legitimate police official who has talked to journalists is threatened with arrest for doing so,”

Yea well fuck Iraqi law right kath?

Damage control is a wonderful thing to watch.

ChatyKathy, the mother hen, carefully watches over her reputation and chance of advancement. Damn the rest of you and the collateral damage. That can always be explained away.

I used to think that the press was tasked with bringing us the facts. As it turns out they just report what they like and it is up to either believe them or prove them wrong.

#4 mbruce

:)

#6 Cognito

I'm curious: Does anyone find this to be a worthwhile point?

Answer your own question. Quit asking us (me).

#6 Cognito
There's a fine line between whistle blowing and leaking. There's a reason why the military and police have designated spokespeople. I'm not sure what the current Iraqi laws are but there are still a lot of questions anout who he is.

12 sailordude,

Sure, I get what you're saying, I think: In the face of everything that's not working right in Iraq, this isn't particularly noteworthy. I'm not sure that negates the point, but it does put it in context.

...who was proven this week to be real

I'm sorry... wheres the proof that their source is real?

I'm sure there is indeed somebody with that name, and a person(s) with that name may have been located. But it still doesnt prove their "source" to be real.

#6 Cognito

Not gonna engage. Whatever the wheels within wheels are here, the AP has an agenda. Jamil Hussein, if that's who he really is, and if he does in fact exist, may be a pawn, a stooge, a plant, or an unwitting victim. But the bottom line is, the MSM hides behind the facade of being an unbiased information source. It is simply not true.

The MSM's track record casts a shadow of doubt over just about everything that it reports. The AP gives me the impression it clearly wants bad news in Iraq. If it were otherwise, I'd give them the benefit of a doubt.

But since it's not, I wont...

17 freedomplow,

Answer your own question. Quit asking us (me).

I'm sorry. Are you saying I should just let fly with my own statements instead of questions? Or are you saying you're too busy making comments here to make comments here?

Cognito

I'm curious: Does anyone find this to be a worthwhile point?

He, and I assume they, knew he was not authorized to make statments to the press.

#11 Killgore Trout

Rubbing it in
by kos

Problem is, Carroll thinks the wingnutosphere cares about people's lives. In reality, they are more than willing to throw away people's lives -- including 3,000+ American servicemembers -- for the greater glory of their deity George Bush.

In reality, the left is more than willing to throw away people's lives -- including 3,000 WTC victims -- for the greater glory of their deity Karl Marx.

“I never quite understood why people chose to disbelieve us about this particular man on this particular story,” Carroll told E&P, referring to Jamil Hussein, an Iraq police captain. “AP runs hundreds of stories a day, and one of them is always true and this was the only true one on that particular day.”

/original text

23 easy,

Good point. If that's the case -- then yep, I agree, he should be punished for speaking beyond his allowance.

Problem is, Carroll thinks the wingnutosphere cares about people's lives. In reality, they are more than willing to throw away people's lives -- including 3,000+ American servicemembers -- for the greater glory of their deity George Bush.

At my last count, Socialists have killed more people than Republicans.

#6, cognito. I consider that statement by AP to be a self indictment. They named the guy didn't they? What kind of game is AP playing now. Naming the guy does not establish that the stories were factual. Saying the guy is in danger has nothing to do with the stories being true or not.

I think Carroll is well off the mark. After all, the AP used him as a source by name and he didn't apparently have a problem with it. Now, he's facing the kind of situation that some at the NYT have faced - jail for violating the law (passing secrets for the Times, violating gag rules for all police except those who are allowed).

Her top priority should be ensuring that the AP brand is not tarnished by shoddy reporting, and thus far she's done a poor job. The AP didn't locate Hussein after six weeks (and to claim that he didn't have his phone on is laughable since everyone was looking for the guy for weeks - not simply during the holiday period), the MOI did (which is a scandal in and of itself as they appear to be incompetent to not search their payroll thoroughly enough).

And the key detail that she misses is that there are serious inconsistencies with Hussein's stories. Where are the corroborating details?

More here.

I'm still skeptical

How convienient that the recently discovered Mr. Hussien is being kept incognito by the bad, bad Iraqi government.

Man, I did not see that one coming. Whoda thunkit?

Carroll pointed out that critics should be more concerned with the fact that Hussein could face imprisonment for being a source to journalists than how AP handled the situation.

Maybe the Iraqi govt ought to take him out to the nearest wall and make an example of him for talking w/o authorization to the press. Then, maybe our govt ought to follow that example for those who are leaking to the NY Times.

#30 jamil hussein

I'm still skeptical

LMAO!

#30 J. Hussein

you are funny!

#32 Midwestprof

Maybe the Iraqi govt ought to take him out to the nearest wall and make an example of him for talking w/o authorization to the press planting made-up bullshit stories in the media with the help of a bullshit news service all too happy to undermine the war.

Fixed it for ya.

;^)

The AP and the global media egotisticaly believe the masses will believe anything as long as you repeat it long enough. They have taken their lead from communism. North Korea is their role model for "progressive reporting", unfortunately the masses believe "actions speak louder than words". Everyone besides NK knows that NK is about the most oppresive government on the planet, but the global media attitude to NK is exactly the same as CNN took on Iraq before GWII. They parroted any information released by Iraq, and presented the information as reliable and authoritve. Same with NK, same with Iraqi and Islamic terrorist. The media ignores beheadings and torture by terrorists(unless its one of their own reporters be killed) and accentuate the normal collateral damage inherent to a insurgeant war. They ignore the extraordinary measures take by American troops to limit civilian causalties, even at the expense of American casualties. The global medias sympathy to islamic terrorism makes them a willing participant in torture and death. They are more evil than the Islamist terrorists because the global media knows the difference between right and wrong. They choose to ignore it to further their warped liberal agenda. I have nothing but comtempt for the global media. Like many, I have dropped subscriptions and service from the incompetent and biased news and media services. The Internet is truly the lifeline of the moderate or conservative American.

“Doesn’t that bother anybody other than me? Officials being threatened with arrest for talking to reporters ought to be of concern.”

Just ask Scooter Libby!

28 gymnast,

Naming the guy does not establish that the stories were factual. Saying the guy is in danger has nothing to do with the stories being true or not.

Yes, good point. I would add, though, that naming a source -- who was a police official, even if he was speaking without permission -- does shift some of the onus onto the police, as regards the factualities of the stories the official told. Some might say that the AP has somehow found some poor homeless guy and tricked him into thinking he's their man; I find that to be somewhat farfetched.

Regardless, the AP, of course, is responsible for following up to determine the truth of that official's stories. I think they did to some extent, although I'm not sure how much.

Cognito, did you see todays piece by Krauthammer? What do you think about it. I think it was a great piece of analytical writing. His conclusion has great implications for the future of Iraq and our role in the Middle East.

The Editor & Publisher is not an unbiased source according to this thread:
Editor & Publisher's Mitchell at The Smirking Chimp

The socialist agenda is much easier to implement if the citizenry only gets to chose between socialism and islamic fascism. Standard Marx - let your enemies do your work whenever time permits.

'Journalists' have a built in inferiority complex, all that reporting on others makes a damaged ego almost natural. Thank goodness the web is natural agenda filter. Old media reporters know their diminishment is at hand.

Me thinks Kathleen is hearing her career going down the crapper

OT

I am struck by the irony of of Keith Ellison's use of Jefferson's koran in his swearing-in. The press of course wants us to believe that Jefferson was a great admirer of Islam. But Jefferson was forced to go to war with North African Jihadists. It was America's first foreign war. As I mentioned this morning, if Jefferson was reading the koran he was most likely trying to better understand the enemy.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

On Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, Yussif Karamanli, the Pasha (or Bashaw) of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from the new administration. Putting his long-held beliefs into practice, Jefferson refused the demand. Consequently, in May of 1801, the Pasha declared war on the United States, not through any formal written documents, but by cutting down the flagstaff in front of the U.S. Consulate. Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis soon followed their ally in Tripoli.

I am struck by the similarity between Jefferson's situation and Bush's. Jefferson's famous remark about gladly tolerating a Muslim for a neighbor is the direct analogy to Bush's "religion of peace" mantra. As a Jeffersonian democrat, he must have suffered the same cunnumdrum that has bedevilied Bush's foreign policy. He must have believed that all human hearts long for freedom and self-determination. I could see how he must have poured over the koran to find out why some Muslims have a contempt for democracy.

Capt. Jamil Hussein: "The events in these reports are seared -- seared in my memory."

I'll bet the man who never was is about to be killed or go into hiding, making him what he was before...the man who never was

#18 Killgore, #6 Cognito:
What Killgore mentions is what Kathleen is ignoring: Loose Lips Sink Ships!

And there is NO MISTAKE here; Jamil Hussein let his lips loose on MANY things, in different parts of Baghdad for instance, within moments of each other, in ways that look more and more like Hussein was SEEKING TO SINK SHIPS...

Kathleen cheapens herself even further by publicly defending Hussein AS IF his were just accidentally, forgivably "loose" instead of enemy-propaganda motormouth poison!

Maybe we will start believing the AP when they start telling the truth. No fake photos, no made up sources, etc.

Anybody holding their breath?

39 gymnast,

Cognito, did you see todays piece by Krauthammer? What do you think about it. I think it was a great piece of analytical writing.

I'm afraid not -- been out & about. But I'll say that typically I agree with Krauthammer all the way.

32 Midwestprof,

Maybe the Iraqi govt ought to take him out to the nearest wall and make an example of him for talking w/o authorization to the press.

I can't tell if you're kidding, here. Are you really saying the government should execute this guy for talking to the press? Especially after not doing it following the first fifty-nine stories in which he appeared?

#38, cognito. The foundation that the AP has established for their guy Hussein would not even support a house of cards at this point.

46 carridine,

Yep, like I said, if the guys was talking beyond what he was authorized to, he should be punished for it.

#49

Are you really saying the government should execute this guy for talking to the press?

Just shoot Kathi. Mistress of Associated Propaganda.

#51 Cognito

I'm tired and maybe that is why I'm confused, do you think Hussein should be punished? Because he'll probably be punished the way Midwest Prof describes.

I know this is completely OFF TOPIC and all but I was wondering if anyone saw "Children of Men". Damn it was the most perfect piece of leftist paranoia run amok I have ever seen. This movie shows people being hearded into corrals with "homeland security" signs over the gates and all kinds of crap. Really what this movie shows looks alot more like the Clinton era BATF's kinda "police work" than anything the Bush years have brought us. Sorry for the screed I had to vent after subjecting myself to that crap. Thank god I didn't pay to see it.

#48, cognito. Google up the piece, it should be on the National Review On line site. I'll wait. He states a point of view that you took a load of crap over. Had you included the details he has included in his piece, you would have suffered a lot less grief.

#49 Cognito

I can't tell if you're kidding, here. Are you really saying the government should execute this guy for talking to the press? Especially after not doing it following the first fifty-nine stories in which he appeared?

They are in a war zone. If the guy was talking to the press w/o authorization he should be punished. A reprimand? Ha! Execution? Depends on what he said, and the results of his leaks.

You are the master mental masturbator, Cognito. Why not go troll some other site with your endlessly shifty positions and self-important attention-hoarding? You are reason #1 why LGF needs killfilters.

#21 aqvik

Not gonna engage. Whatever the wheels within wheels are here, the AP has an agenda. Jamil Hussein, if that's who he really is, and if he does in fact exist, may be a pawn, a stooge, a plant, or an unwitting victim. But the bottom line is, the MSM hides behind the facade of being an unbiased information source. It is simply not true.

Well stated. Is there any longer any shred of doubt that the liberal MSM propoganda machine has little professional means to an end, other than to "educate" us colonial Westerners regarding the error of our ways? To me, the agenda is clear and forthright. We are the enemy, and should thus stand down and accept "the new world order of mankind". Capitulation, subjugation and eventual servitude is our calling. *spit*

Sorry just a little more on "Children of Men". Has anyone ever seen a movie praised more than this one? My god they will have to envent a new award to give this one, Oscars alone just won't do!

I won't pretend to be impartial here.

I don't like the media...

Most of the media wants Iraq to turn into the biggest disaster in American history.
(their "told you so" moment)

Do not abandon the good people of Iraq.

Panicky defeatists... Step aside.

I have been noting over the last six months or so that global media started attributing many of their stories to "the source asked not to be identified because they are speaking without authorisation and in violation of policy" disclaimers on many of their stories. Todays Global media no longer has the time to wait for official government scources for news accounts. They rush out with the first unconfirmed rumor they hear, and then when the Islamists riot and kill over the story, the media denies or ignore their responsiblity in inciting the riots with phoney stories. its great to be journalist nowadays, no rules, no responsiblity or accountability, say anything you want, and deny all responsiblity. Sounds Like Hunter Thompson gone wild!

Killing the messenger does not establish the truth or falsity of the message. If the messages were true, killing the messenger does what? If the messages were false killing the messenger does what?

The stories must be independently corroborated, Capt. Jamil Hussein is peripheral or irrelevant at this point unless he can play a role in corroborating the stories.

#59 Kafirus Maximus

"Happy Feet" for children, "An Inconvenient Truth" and "Children of Men" for adults--lots of good propaganda out there these days. I think I'll stick to John Wayne re-runs.

#62

Capt. Jamil Hussein is peripheral or irrelevant at this point unless he can play a role in corroborating the stories.

He reported the burning muslim story. Shit or get off the pot.

The Associated Press has quoted “Iraqi police Capt. Jamil Hussein” by name in more than 60 articles published on web sites and in newspapers around the world, identifying where he works and his title. But bloggers have put him in danger?

The AP has learned well from its taskmasters, the terrorists. Divert, deflect and distort, then blame. Rinse and repeat.

These hacks give even Hamas a good run at sheer hypocrisy.

This is "apples to oranges", but it bears repeating:

The enemedia had no discomfort over the NYT disclosure of the SWIFT program.

How many innocents are endangered by that bit of "journalistic rectitude"?

#61, loflyer. There is more than meets the eye in what you say. If chaos can be created, who restores order? the opportunities exist for great mischief when chaos and anarchy reign. The "carelessness" of certain elements of the press has given it a great deal of power. The Dan Rathergate story was arguably more than an attempt to influence an election. Was it less than an attempted Coup? How much less? Are there are elements of the fourth estate that see a much greater role for itself in the affairs of the state than is generally recognized? You betcha. When was the last time you sent out 8 or 10 Thousand press releases with a false premise and had the Media publish,repeat and even amplify them with questioning or fact checking them?

Revolutions take place in chaos when the established order and institutions no longer function. The successful outcome of a revolution is dependent on controlling or denying communications.

#60 freedomplow:

Most of the media wants Iraq to turn into the biggest disaster in American history.

But it is a huge disaster. Regardless of what the MSM says, it's a disaster. Even many conservatives are admitting as much these days.

I've been a political conservative and foreign-policy hawk all my life, I don't consider myself a moonbat, I supported Goldwater, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 41, etc. And I can tell you that this Iraq War is the biggest screwup since Vietnam--maybe even bigger.

We definitely need to hold the AP and the rest of the MSM to account. But we really need to get beyond this fantasy that the Iraq War is "really" going well, it's just that the MSM isn't reporting all the wonderful good news in Iraq.

Because that's a load of crap. TOTAL CRAP.

The MSM doesn't have to manufacture any bad news (although their local stringers probably are). There's plenty of genuine bad news in Iraq they can report--and they are reporting it.

If conservatives and Republicans go into the 2008 campaign telling the American people that the Iraq War was just fine and dandy, it's just that the MSM lied to them, they are going to be laughed out of office, not just voted out of office. The Democrats will have a stampede and a Republican couldn't get elected dog catcher in America anymore.

I mean that. We must stop the fantasies already. Let's admit that Iraq is a screwup, and demand real answers, which neither Bush nor the MSM have provided. Stop defending the Iraq War. Stop defending Bush. We've got less than 2 years to come up with a convincing story as to why the American voters shouldn't throw all the Republicans out of office due to this Iraq debacle.

Or, you can defend the Iraq War and Bush right thru November 2008 and watch the Democratic Party get a virtual veto-proof lock on every political office in America.

Take your choice.

55 gymnast,

I'm checking it out now. Is it the one titled "Shiite happens"?

57 russet,

You are the master mental masturbator, Cognito. Why not go troll some other site with your endlessly shifty positions and self-important attention-hoarding? You are reason #1 why LGF needs killfilters.

I don't come here for jollies. I don't believe I shift positions (although you're free to quote me doing so). And if you think I'm hoarding the attention, by all means ignore me.

#45 bonz
#46 carridine
#51 Cognito

For some reason, this brings to mind a line from DrWho, in an episode where he got shunted into a dystopian alternate Earth, was falsely accused of sabotage at a military base, and consequently threatened with a firing squad:

Doctor: But, I don't exist in this universe!
Brigade Leader: Then you won't feel the bullets when we shoot you!

The difference here, though, is that Jamil Hussein indeed really doesn't exist in this or any other universe, so he can't be taken out and shot! :-D

Unfortunately, that means the myth of Jamil Hussein can't be taken out and shot, either... :-(

...who was proven this week to be real

Big deal they found a Capt. Jamil Hussein, but is he the real Capt. Jamil Hussein?
The world wonders.

#64, jrdroll. No, he (Hussein) did not report the story. AP did. AP specified that he (Hussein) was the source of information. There is an important difference. For instance, was his information true or false. Was he witness to the story or was he a conduit. Was he a "straw man" fronted to plant a story? Was he a "straw man" for the AP stringer to refer to in order to lend credence to a story made from whole cloth?
The AP is obfuscating, blowing smoke up the ass of anyone willing to accept what it says is the truth but cannot prove is true.

Am I the only one wondering if an AP reporter made up this guy, then asked AP for bribe money for the stories and then pocketed the money :-)

#69, cognito. I believe that is it. I saw the print version but I do not know if it was edited. I assume it was not.

#68, right side. Has anyone ever told you that you have a real problem with coherent written communication. Perhaps you should consider taking a course in rhetoric.

I think this is a play to create sympathy so that bloggers will stop making the media look bad. It's crap. If they were really that worried about his safety, they would have pulled their "unnamed police official" trick on us from the very beginning.

#69 cognito

I don't come here for jollies

do tell

We are watching you carefully and "fact-checking your a**" because you are slanted and pretty creepy.
You don't like it...Big Deal.

Bush led into war to get rid of saddam. Iraq has turned into a larger war with Islam.

Bush didnt know this was going to happen. And the media has stoked this into a larger war.

Truth is now is ugly and its only going to get uglier.

None of us knew that Islam was getting ready to become the new 3rd reich.

#68 Right Side

We are loosing the war in Iraq? How?

Collect your thoughts and type slowly. Can't wait to read your explanation.

#80 freedomplow

#68 Right Side

We are loosing the war in Iraq? How?

Collect your thoughts and type slowly. Can't wait to read your explanation.

Apparently the troops on the ground who say the Media is distorting everything are liars... or it doesn't matter what the truth is, all that matters is that the voters believe the Democrats and their shills in the Media.

Yep, that is ALL that matters.

The War is a POLITICAL disaster, because the Dems needed it to be. ANY war we get involved in, now or in the future, will be a twisted into a political disaster. Vietnam is the template: no matter how righteous the cause, even if we are attacked again, the Democrats and their Media mouth organs will pound it into another "Vietnam".

More stonewalling from the AP on the voracity of their original story.

The MSM only has themselves to blame for the constant scrutiny. From Rathergate (and all the bias, lies, and spin that came before the rise of the blogosphere) to the Lebanon Fauxtography scandal they have spread so much distortion that it is impossible for anyone to be able to take what they say as the complete truth anymore.

What's even worse is the fact that when they are caught red-handed, just as Rather was, they continue to lie to us. So it's no wonder that when we see or read something that seems off that people will try and dig for the truth themselves.

Jamil Hussein exsistence and whereabouts are only the tip of the iceberg on the AP story. Okay Kathleen, now you found the guy so now let us hear why he lied to you or why you lied to us. It's definately one or the other, if not both.

#68 Right Side

...I mean that. We must stop the fantasies already. Let's admit that Iraq is a screwup, and demand real answers, which neither Bush nor the MSM have provided...

I would be with you if the biggest fantasies were coming from the Right. However, the Left and the MSM were just as wrong about Iraq as Bush appears to be regarding WMDs, and they've changed their story about what's gone wrong in Iraq at least as many times as they say Bush did on why we went there [and I don't believe he changed his story until after the election.]

The US was had primary military responsibility for the UN's implementation of the ceasefire on Iraq after Desert Storm. Our planes were being shot at by Hussein's military virtually daily in the no-fly zones, which by itself is an act of war. Our troops were stationed in Saudi Arabia, which by the way, served to piss off Osama bin Ladin. This had been going on for 12 years, yet the UN was doing nothing to push the inspections for 5 years. What was the deal?

Where was the MSM? Why weren't they "skeptical?" (read: berating someone who disagrees with them). Where were the celebrities? How come no one was agitating to get the troops out of Saudi Arabia, which would have required cracking down on Hussein? I don't remember any concern back then for the hundreds who were tortured annually (I mean really tortured) in Abu Ghraib? Osama had already gone on record threatening us, and actually carring out some bombings against we Christians and Jews who were in his Holy land...where was everyone who is so concerned about American lives today?

No MSM, no Barbra Streisand, no Helen Thomas...why? Were those lives not as important as our [stupid] military volunteers?
Do they only sense dangers coming from Bush and other Repubs?

What about Oil-for-food, the UN program that was supposed help Iraq pay for food and medicine for the women and children who were suffering from the impoverishment by UN sanctions since the war ended. Hussein tolerated these sanctions, even though he had no WMDs. Why did he do that? Why go through all the economic problems from not accommodating the UN? Has anyone ever written a story about this? Is there a single journalist who cared? [if anyone has, please send the link]

Anyway, the program turned out to be a stupendous fraud that lined the pockets of Hussein and some 700 companies doing business in our various "allies", whose governments BTW were criticizing the US for invading for oil and money. It's in that Volcker report you can Google. Did you see any irony in that? The UN didn't even seem to know who should be overseeing the program! There was a lot of corruption, fraud and mismangement.

I look at all this and wonder, WTF? Is the UN on the take, or is is just supremely incompetent? I wondered why it (read Annan) was handling Iraq with kid gloves all these years, and now I have a motive.

What's really ironic IMHO is that the Left and MSM played up the UN as the more moral alternative to the US and Bush's way. They say the sanctions were working and that Iraq was being successfully contained. How can anyone believe after OfF that Iraq was being contained? He was building palaces while children were dying. It might be funny if so many lives hadn't been slighted.

I would go out on a limb to guess that at least the grim milestone of 3000 children died in Iraq during those 12 years, and it wasn't due to their lack of education.

Finally, the left love to claim that Bush changed his explanation for why we invaded: from toppling a tyrant with WMDs to sowing a democracy. And that his idiocy prevented him from seeing the (exaggerated) looting to the eventual "civil war".

(con't)

But I don't remember them predicting this either. Their problem was that it was a quagmire, then they hated us for occupying, and now they're killing each other because of Bush somehow.

Until they admit that they were as wrong about everything as Bush, I think it will be hard to believe they are doing things in good faith.
StuBlu

Hemp fest Baghdad. Sadam is high as a kite.

Well, on the subject of Sadam Hussein, I saw this earlier on the BBC:

Hanging 'makes martyr of Saddam'

And some other semi-on-topic subjects from the same source:

Italy to monitor mosque funding

Democrats step up Iraq pressure

And, of course, the newsmedia continues the drumbeat that...

Iraq civilian toll continues rise

And now for something completely OT, for your amusement and possible derision:

The [Carbon] Footprint of a Cheeseburger

(I'm not entirely sure if this one was written by someone emamored with Lefty environmentalism, or by someone subtly poking fun at them at their clueless expense...)

This this is a great foundation for how the AP is going to get out of this...

They put up a stink that the guy is gonna get into trouble so they will refuse to point him out in a lineup and claim it's because of the punishment they fear for him..even though umm..they printed his name all over the place and started this! Iraq already was clear that they would not punish the guy if the AP refused to point him out. Why they'd trust the AP's word is beyond me /boggle .

It's classic...classic I tell you. Not sure I could have written a better script for manipulation and how to get out of a hole you dug yourself in.

#83 StuBlu - Well said!

“A man who is a legitimate police official who has talked to journalists is threatened with arrest for doing so,” she said. “Doesn’t that bother anybody other than me?

Yeah, Kathy, it bother me alot. See, I think only people in the media who endanger innocent individuals, publish fallacious stories, or Photoshop pictures of burning cities should be arrested.

#87 Highrise

Which is why we have to make sure they don't get away with this dodge! We gotta keep hammering them on this, and constantly remind everyone that they're making a bogus argument here... since, after all, they had placed his name prominently in all these stories! (Thus, outting him themselves.)

At that, we have to rub their noses in the fact that a lot of these stories had him giving them first hand accounts from all over the countryside, many of them accounts from opposite sides of the country (or was it city?) and yet mere minutes apart!

Not the sort of thing a lower-ranked police officer would be in a position to do! After all, wouldn't he be assigned to a particular district? A particular neighborhood? Yet, he was literally all over the map!

Indeed, a lower-ranking officer wouldn't even be in a position to know about events all over the region, nevermind be a witness to them!

Or was this just all over Bagdad? I forget, but if it's merely him all over Bagdad, the above still applies: he'd have still been assigned to only a limited area. He might then have known about (sketchily) all these events, but he couldn't have given eyewitness and/or detailed accounts of all of them as if he'd actually been there when they happened!

I suppose he could have disseminated to the AP information from police-reports of those events by other officers... but would he have been in a position to read all those reports? Immediately after the events happened?

#89 the Daily Kos Om Islaam

“A man who is a legitimate police official who has talked to journalists is threatened with arrest for doing so,” she said. “Doesn’t that bother anybody other than me?

Yeah, Kathy, it bother me alot. See, I think only people in the media who endanger innocent individuals, publish fallacious stories, or Photoshop pictures of burning cities should be arrested.

(emphasis mine)

HOLY COW! ! ! !

Good one! :-D :-D :-D

AP Friday Jan 5, 2007
By: Kathy Carroll

We have finally located Capt. Hussein. One of our stringers found his tombstone in a Baghdad cemetery.

From the inscription on the tombstone Hussein most likely died three years ago in a fierce battle with US troops. Other unnamed sources who have translated the tombstone inscription indicated that he died three days ago in a US sponsored hanging. Dates don't matter. All that matters is that he is dead.

We have finally closed the chapter on our faithful reporter Capt. Hussien. There is no need for Michelle Malkin to research this matter in Iraq. This case is close!

From the author of the original AP piece:

This is the last I will speak of this episode because, to a large extent, discovering that a bunch of conservative bloggers and their pathetic readers have been smearing a person or organization based on total fiction is hardly news. This is what these people do -- it’s part of their lifestyle.

Deflection is a funny thing.

Kathleen has had WAY too much 'splaining to do. I think she gets off on the media attention. Really. Too damn bad she's an apologist for flawed journalism.

Why isn't the AP concerned about whether the reports attributed to Capt. Jamil Hussein are credible? They have used his name for more than 60 articles concerning Iraq, so the question of whether he is a credible source is a legitimate question. Let us learn more about him, so that we can get a better idea of whether the reports attributed to him are credible. The fact that AP keeps revising their stories makes one wonder about the reliability of their sources, so it is a legitimate concern to try to learn about the credibility of what they are attributing to Capt. Jamil Hussein.

Fiskie-candidate Olbermann visited this topic last night on his daily waste of TV space. I'd summarize his comments for you, but his smug superiority made me dash to the bathroom to hurl well before he was finished.

ABC's real problem about the supposed captain being arrested is the distinct possibility that it could set a precedent for one of their own being arrested for, oh, I don't know, outing a story on electronic surveilance of Al Qaeda sympathizers' phones? KOS, of course, is in the same boat, bailing as fast as possible. But KOS expects Queen Nancy would fix any problem they may encounter.

Dial 1.800. WHAAA

#6 Cognito

“A man who is a legitimate police official who has talked to journalists is threatened with arrest for doing so,” she said. “Doesn’t that bother anybody other than me? Officials being threatened with arrest for talking to reporters ought to be of concern.”
I'm curious: Does anyone find this to be a worthwhile point?

Allow me to provide some assistance to you with your difficulty in grasping some basic logic principles.

1) “A man who is a legitimate police official" does NOT necessarily get the privilege of speaking on behalf of the entire police force, and this is particularly true in a war zone. Even here in the US, if a beat cop posted 60 stories in the LA Times on local crimes, for example, he would soon be an ex-cop, if not actually face charges if any of those stories were found to be false.

2) Whether or not such a person was authorized to speak on behalf of the police force, this would NOT entitle him to provide FALSE stories. Until any corroborating evidence is presented on the "burning Sunnis" story, that article must be presumed to be false. Falsely yelling "Fire!" in a theater can get you arrested in the US. Why shouldn't falsely yelling "Burning Sunnis!" get you arrested in Iraq?

This logic assistance for the logic-impaired has been brought to you as a puiblic service.

100 THX,

All I asked was "anybody find this worthwhile?" A simple question.

But you went to "Allow me to provide some assistance to you with your difficulty in grasping some basic logic principles."

Does that make you feel clever?

#102, cognito. When you ask a leading question, you may find out where it leads. Why did you ask the question? What is the problem with #100s logic? Did you cite a "worthwhile" point in your # 6. You seem to watch your o'clock rather closely. Are you checking for frayed tail feathers?

#105--- 6 o'clock---

105 gymnast,

I asked what I thought was a legitimate question, because I was trying to work out for myself what I thought of it, and I was curious what others thought.

After listening to some good answers here, I came to a conclusion that while generally stifling someone's ability to talk to the press is a bad thing, in the case of a police official, he should be punished if he spoke beyond his allowance.

That's all.

But THX didn't just answer the question, he slathered on a layer of insult. My problem was not with his logic, as you asked, but with the insult.

As for frayed tail feathers -- I'm not sure I'm following your point.

108 tfk,

Stop it. You're scaring me. Oooh oooh. You're scaring me.

Jamil Hussien is the busiest specter on the planet. Doesn't it seem to be a waste of electronic pulses to have a big huge debate about his legal issues when AP still hasn't produced the alleged officer in the flesh?
No one has yet provided anything concrete to prove this personnage is real. So, what's to argue at the moment about his alleged treatment, suggested legal woes, possible petty cash account, over charges on transport authorizations ...etc etc.
Next step: As South Park predicted: Jamil Hussein the creation gets the word:
AP: Now, just sit here and read this. Okay. Action!
Jamil H. actor: "Yes, I am the Jamil Hussien everyone is talking about. I have had so much pressure and dangerous threats for just reporting the truth that by the time you watch this message, I'll probably be dead."
AP: Great! Cut!
J. Hussein actor: Dead? What do you mean, dead?
AP: Jamil, do you know what a hero is? A hero is someone who gives his life for others.
Jamil actor: Wait a minute.
AP: Here, have a shawarma.
Jamil actor: I don't want a shawarma.
AP: Yes you do. See, some nice pepper sauce to make it taste good.
Jamil actor bolting for the exit: AIIIEEE!

#109, cognito. What I meant by my reference to frayed tail feathers (#105) is that by asking leading questions such as you did in your #6 and failing to respond to questions such as I asked in #105, you tend to stick your ass into following propellers. Is that your intention?

111 gymnast,

What I meant by my reference to frayed tail feathers (#105) is that by asking leading questions such as you did in your #6 and failing to respond to questions such as I asked in #105, you tend to stick your ass into following propellers.

You'll note I did answer your questions, actually. You asked:

#102, cognito. When you ask a leading question, you may find out where it leads. Why did you ask the question?

I answered:

I asked what I thought was a legitimate question, because I was trying to work out for myself what I thought of it, and I was curious what others thought.

You asked:

What is the problem with #100s logic? Did you cite a "worthwhile" point in your # 6.

I answered:

After listening to some good answers here, I came to a conclusion that while generally stifling someone's ability to talk to the press is a bad thing, in the case of a police official, he should be punished if he spoke beyond his allowance.

That's all.

But THX didn't just answer the question, he slathered on a layer of insult. My problem was not with his logic, as you asked, but with the insult.

You asked:

Y

ou seem to watch your o'clock rather closely. Are you checking for frayed tail feathers?

I answered:

As for frayed tail feathers -- I'm not sure I'm following your point.

I can't be much more direct than that.

#115, cognito. Thats fair. I think you understand my point about tail feathers now.