!#$"%$

Muslims cannot accept the rule of non-Muslims.

Too friggin bad.

Will the UK ever wake up, or just descend into eternal sleep?

#3 kutulu
I'm afraid that you may have answered your own question.

Is anybody really surprised by the continuing revising of "moderate"?

By now, Osama qualifies as a "moderate"

.."Another speaker says Muslims cannot accept the rule of non-Muslims. ‘You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir [non-Muslim],’ a preacher, Dr Ijaz Mian, tells a meeting held within the mosque..."

Fine, then go back to Iran or Iraq or Saudi Arabia...where ever the hell you came from. Then you don't have to accept non muslim rule.

Otherwise, shut up and crawl back under your rocks.

Leaders of the mosques have expressed concern at the preachers’ activities, saying they were unaware such views were being disseminated.

Preposterous. Hilarious. They don't care whether we believe them or not. A tongue-in-cheek nonreponse such as that is part of the program. They are laughing up their sleeves. Acceptance of this ridiculous response increases their confidence and sense of mission.

The MSM - "Treason R' Us".

An undercover investigation has revealed disturbing evidence of Islamic extremism at a number of Britain’s leading mosques and Muslim institutions, including an organisation praised by the Prime Minister.

They needed an undercover investigation for this?

All they had to do was pick up a copy of "Obsession"

TIME TO SEND THOSE IMAMS HOME. From what I have read, they are mostly immigrants anyways.

Another speaker says Muslims cannot accept the rule of non-Muslims. ‘You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir [non-Muslim],’ a preacher, Dr Ijaz Mian, tells a meeting held within the mosque. ‘We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.’

The islamofacists are so emboldened in the UK, that they just simply tell it the way they believe it, and the UK doesn nothing serious about it.

The UK is doomed to islamic rule!

In America, cair believes the exact same thing, they have to, it is their islamic beliefs, yet, they try and fly under the radar and say they don't want to dominate in the USA, and the media, and our government are helping them acheieve that directive!

If barbara Boxer is the only politician currently in Washington who sees this, America is in for a long hard road.

SPIT!

‘We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.’

Trying to enslave others is what gets ya killed.

#3

Eternal Sleep&trade sounds good ;)

/sarc

Brown to end Blair's terror strategy

Mr Brown, who backed the 2003 Iraq invasion, said he had since learned that only so much could be achieved against terrorists and religious fanatics by brute military force, intelligence, security work and policing. In terms that will appeal to many Labour supporters but anger Mr Blair — and some in Washington — he said the fight to stop "extremist terrorist activities" would only be won after world leaders triumphed in a peaceful battle for "hearts and minds".

Suggesting that he would not follow Washington into any future military action against rogue nations such as Iran, Mr Brown said the kind of "cultural war" fought by the West against Communism in the 1940s and 1950s could be a "model" for the next chapter of the war on terror.

/he doesn't get it

And the Left will scream _persecution_.

What is going to take until the West wakes up to the threat of Radical Islamic Fundamentalism?

#9 captain b-1

All they had to do was pick up a copy of "Obsession"

Maybe that in fact is how they found out.

I wouldn't put it past any world leaders to be so ignorant.

it's 11 over here (EST)... im going to bed, maybe the world will make it to another day

Sedition.

/yawn

#15 Quilly Mammoth 1/7/2007 08:12PM PST

And the Left will scream _persecution_.

What is going to take until the West wakes up to the threat of Radical Islamic Fundamentalism?

When this sort of stuff goes unanswered, there is no hope at all

The hero of Islam is the one who separated his head from his shoulders.’

Islam is Noble...just ask our leaders.

We need investigations like this in the United States. We need to send people undercover with hidden cameras to film what is being said in these mosques.

Eurabia

#15, Quilly Mammoth. A lot more blood of innocents.Perhaps close enough that those now asleep are wakened to it's smell.

#15 Quilly Mammoth

What is going to take until the West wakes up to the threat of Radical Islamic Fundamentalism?

Killing mass quantities of Westerners?

#15 Quilly Mammoth

What is going to take until the West wakes up to the threat of Radical Islamic Fundamentalism?

Even as their daughters are being shoved into bags and they're being pushed into a mass grave, some of these idiots STILL won't get it.

I would be shocked to find out that the same thing was NOT happening here in the USA.

How come there's no undercover reports like this done on this side of the pond?

21 new_tommy 1/7/2007 08:16PM PST

We need investigations like this in the United States. We need to send people undercover with hidden cameras to film what is being said in these mosques.

then we need to start deporting these "people"

but basically we need to obliterate the iranian menace

#21 new_tommy

We need investigations like this in the United States. We need to send people undercover with hidden cameras to film what is being said in these mosques.

"Ahmed, this is a young, sexy goat - just like a little boy. Oh baby, death to America."

#22 DesertSage
Eurabia.

That's about right

/sigh

21 new_tommy 1/7/2007 08:16PM PST

We need investigations like this in the United States. We need to send people undercover with hidden cameras to film what is being said in these mosques

And risk the rage of CAIR...it is far better to lose America then anger a Muslim...we must be fair to the one's who intend to kill us...after all..fair play and all.

It amazes me how people come to this country and the UK because there are no economic opportunities in their countries, and immediately try to turn the US and the UK into the ass-backwards places from hence they came. Does it not occur to these morons that the reason there are opportunities in the West is because we do not live by their 7th century rules and we do not accept that any one group can rule over another based on race or religion?

If these people love Sharia law so much, go back to Iran or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Nobody is stopping you. If they want the opportunities that the West affords - adapt.

You can not have it both ways folks!

#14 Killian Bundy

Nope, he doesn't get it.

/moron

‘We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.’

How about learning to act like human beings
before planning on ruling the world, jaggie.

"We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others"

"state within a state"

Got that, Rick Moran? What was it I said, "balkanization leading to sharia law"? I'll stand by that. Now you tell us again how Islamic immigration is just like the Irish.

Now let's all hold on a second. I saw a press conference today and EVERYTHING IS A-OK. What is everyone so uptight about?

Oh, and I heard "Islam" means "Peace." That's cool, right?

Sure they can have it both ways...colonize, enjoy the economic benefits, and suck out the lifeblood of a nation (the democracy the egalitarianism the free speech) like some nasty leechin' parasite

Another speaker says Muslims cannot accept the rule of non-Muslims. ‘You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir [non-Muslim],’ a preacher, Dr Ijaz Mian, tells a meeting held within the mosque. ‘We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.’

That's it...citizen or not...choice...deportation or Gitmo.

they'll do a lot less damage at gitmo or some new aleutian facility

#26 Skunk Queen

How come there's no undercover reports like this done on this side of the pond?

What? And turn away from important stuff, like the Rosie vs. Trump feud, or Britney Spears' life?

/need i?

more and more are awake now...thank GOD.

#35 lennysquiggy

Oh, and I heard "Islam" means "Peace." That's cool, right?

And Jihad means "inner personal struggle", so I guess we can all relax...

Goodnight and stay safe.

#38 SpartanWoman 1/7/2007 08:25PM PST

they'll do a lot less damage at gitmo or some new aleutian facility

Yeah...but you hate to give up the possibility of killin' 'em at some point in the future.

#40 storagemanager

Yes, I see encouraging signs, ironically from people like Barbara Boxer.

Maybe you remember the guy with a one-way ticket to Yemen who was caught trying to sneak a knife concealed in a hollowed out book at Detroit Metro Airport? Ha. The jury didn't believe his story that he had no idea how the knife got there and they found him guilty. link to local newspaper story

My problem is the 10-year maximum sentence. If someone intended to commit mass murder and the TSA did their job and caught him, is 10 years enough? Not in my opinion.

I'd like to know when the muslims start getting fired, sued, forced to apologize, or sent to sensitivity training classes because of all their hate speech.

I know in some countries they'll arrest you for talking like that.

I seem to get a distinct impression that the UK is in the process of multiculturalizing itself onto the fabled dungheap of history.

Elizabeth, hope you look good in a hijab.

‘You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir [non-Muslim]

Whitewashing the word kaffir. Saying that it merely means non-Muslim is like saying n@gg@r merely means non-white.

Kaffir is a slur. Ask anyone who's watched Lethal Weapon 2.

Deport them or persecute them to the fullest extent possible. Now before its too late.

These imams are pretty much preaching open sedition and rebellion and the governments ignore that because its poor brown people doing it.

Yet if i went out and stood on the corner and told passerbys that islam is a violent religion that is trying to enslave us all, some flatfoot would attempt to arrest me because im a rascist white man.

Whats wrong with that picture?

#46 ladycatnip 1/7/2007 08:32PM PST

I know in some countries they'll arrest you for talking like that.

The UK being one, I think.

#46 ladycatnip

Except when they're muslims, then they surrender.

It is sad to think that it will take another mass murder for people to wake up. Even then I'm not sure one act will be enough. I'm afraid that it will take a nuclear exchange, or its equivalent, for people to understand that there are forces in the world that wish to make us their slaves.

But there will _still_ be idiots like John Connors...

Until world leaders can finally figure out that there are no moderate muslims. Either they are part of the problem (jihadis) or they are part of the cover-up for the problem.

ABC believes it is a better use of their time to investigate the hidden racism at NASCAR events, baiting them with Muslim attendants.

I'm sure I'll read about their upcoming undercover report on mosques any day now.

This is Rick Moran riding the eighteen-wheeled bandwagon over (admittedly somewhat clueless) Virgil Goode.

Moran continues to prove he just doesn't understand religious movements, specifically the sahwa Islamia, return to basics, Wahhabist-influenced Islamism we see today. But it's important to remember Salafists-Wahhabists just read the Qur'an, ahadith, and follow the Sunnah to the letter. There is no moderate Islamic theology!

Moderate Muslims, usually hiding from their fellow Muslims, don't prove anything. Any mosque or Islamic center can turn out a jihadi. The UNC Death Race Jihadi (among tens of thousand other examples) proved all it takes is the core Islamic texts.

I would quote my post to Coward Rick Moran, but he deleted any posts which showed how stupid he really is. It happens all the time on this issue. Explains a lot, IMO. It's the South Park "expert" suggestion in the Mohammed cartoons episodes: bury your head in the sand.

If you want to rule yourselves, fine. The Amish do that. If you want to rule "the others".get the f*** out of our country.

(I;m not a Brit)

#24 Ward
#15 Quilly Mammoth

What is going to take until the West wakes up to the threat of Radical Islamic Fundamentalism?

Killing mass quantities of Westerners?

You mean AGAIN?

The key to fighting the Islamist threat is to close down the mosques and deport the imams from all states and countries that do not want to become islamized. It is the imams in the mosques that are spreading the jihad and ordering the brainwashed to commit acts of violence in the name of allah. It is the imams that are stirring up mobs to protest and separate from the rest of civilized society. It is the imams that are telling the brainwashed that the west is evil and that they must fight us to be good muslims. It all comes down to those imams and sheiks and clerics and the governments of Europe and the USA are doing nothing about it. They are fighting a war against the product of those teachings, when they should be eliminating the source -> imams, sheiks, clerics and mosques. It's as if it's 1939 and Hitler sent his envoys all around the world to spread the Nazi idealogy. It wouldn't fly then, but it IS flying now. It's a different enemy in a different time, but we have learned nothing.

#43 BignJames 1/7/2007 08:30PM PST

#38 SpartanWoman 1/7/2007 08:25PM PST

they'll do a lot less damage at gitmo or some new aleutian facility

Yeah...but you hate to give up the possibility of killin' 'em at some point in the future

when you're right, you're right James

# 31,Scathach

The main reason they come here is not the opportunities,but their love for islam and sharia law...
They have been indoctrinated to immigrate to the west,procreate like rats and then take over.
For the vast majority of them ,a better life,better opportunities or higher standards of living,mean nothing...islam means everything.

#58 true, we did not have a lot of immigration from Germany, Italy and Japan during WWII...some people don't learn the lessons of history, do they?

the fight to stop "extremist terrorist activities" would only be won after world leaders triumphed in a peaceful battle for "hearts and minds"

LOL

As I read more and more about islam, I am at the point where I do want to reach out to their hearts and minds... with full metal jacket. It is an "us or them" situation, nothing more, nothing less. Our governments had better wake up and damned quick or they wont have annything left to govern.

Death to Islam! America Akbar!

#63 Sharku
Right On!

#41 Desert Sage

And Jihad means "inner personal struggle", so I guess we can all relax...

I think thats the new strategy of the appeasers, I'm seeing more and more of it. Turn every debate on Islam into a semantics lesson on what Jihad means just to derail the conversation. Inner struggle my ass.

#55 Beagle
Looks to me like you handed Moran his hat pretty well. I noticed how he never bothered to respond directly to you.

And those imams, sheiks and clerics that I mentioned in #58, their motivaton is not what it seems. It's not so that they can be good little muslims and go to sandpeople heaven. They are in it for the money... they all live very nicely from the donations of the brainwashed hoards that give whatever they can to fund the jihad. That money goes to the imams, clerics and shieks first, and they take what they want from it and so on down the line. With the exception of OBL and AAZ, IN THE END, THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE MUSLISM HOARDS WHO CLAIM TO BE HOLY AND PURE, ETC. ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY AND POWER. They keep their little armies down, they collect the bread and all is good.

where are the investigative reports exposing this stuff? Where is Geraldo and the "Shame on You" crew? Just what in hell is the ignorant left wing media doing with their #!*#@! time?

They tell their hoards to hate us and that WE are the source of all their problems... when the blame fits squarely on their lifestyle and ignorance of the modern, civilized world. They are undereducated and living in the dark ages. They produce NOTHING. They invent NOTHING. They contribute NOTHING to the world except violence, hate, war, subugation of women, slavery, and more and more populations of the same. They have nobody to blame but themselves for this, and by that, I mean the ones who do have knowledge of the west and reject it in favor of their cult religion anyway. The rest of the brainwashed hoards are unreachable by normal means.

Is there such thing as a "moderate Nazi" or "moderate KKK member?" Nuff said.

Islam=Infidelophobia

Remember Infidels - Hate Laws are a one-way street. You best remember that or else a good ol' beheading is coming your way.
Ooh, beheading, I can finally use my organ donor card.

Czech TV did a similar undercover expose of Muslims and found some similar attitudes in a Czech mosque.

Watch the documentary at Google Video -- I, a Muslim.

If you realize that all of the muslim hoards are like children that cannot think for themselves, and you realize that the imams, clerics and sheiks act as their mommies and daddys, you can understand that THEY are ones who need to be switched out in favor of non-wahhabi leadership as quickly as possible. Absolutely nothing else, barring completely wiping them out, will keep their hate train from smashing head on into our civilization.

Our government stands by and does nothing while Saudi Arabia exports more and more wahhabi-islam to a world that doesn't understand what's going on. And of course, the rub is that WE are funding it as all of their $$ comes from the black gold beneath their feet.

#41 DesertSage:

And Jihad means "inner personal struggle", so I guess we can all relax...

One man's "inner personal struggle" is another man's "Islam." (Translation: one man's "Jihad" is another man's "Peace.")

There's an MSM/Dhimmi joke in there somewhere. Haven't quite found it.

#70 Doss

I saw that clip some time ago, but it's the mainstream US and foreign press that needs to do something like that. The world isn't going to see that clip. The mainstream press still has their heads up their asses and the common man's opinion is shaped by what they see on CNN. Most Americans are blissfully ignorant. It's so funny, Sean Hannity just did a show where he asked people on the steets of NY to recite the Pledge of Allegience and nobody got it right. It was truly sad. These are the same people who just voted in the dems and they believe that they know what's right. We are all in deep do do.

Most Americans don't realize there is a war going on, and I'm not talking about Iraq.

I remembered a song from waaay back that reminded me of Stuck Mojo and "Open Season."

The line that resonates with this debate goes:
"They love our milk and honey but they preach about some other way of livin'"

The complete lyrics:

The Fightin' Side Of Me
Written and performed by Merle Haggard
c1970 Tree Publishing C., Inc.

Verse 1:
I hear people talking bad about the way they have to live here in this country.
Harpin' on the wars we fight gripin' 'bout the way things ought to be.

I don't mind them switchin' sides and standin' up for things they beleive in,
When they're runnin' down our country man,
They're walkin' on The Fightin' Fide Of Me.

Chorus
They're walkin' on The Fightin' Side Of Me.
Runnin' down a way of life our fightin' men have fought and died to keep,

If you don't love it, leave it,
Let this song that I'm singin' be a warnin',
When you're runnin' down our country
You're walkin' on The Fightin' Side Of Me.

Verse 2:

I read about some squirley guy
Who claims that he just don't beleive in fightin',
And I wonder just how long the rest of us can count on bein' free.
They love our milk and honey but they preach about some other way of livin',
When they're runnin' down our country man
They're walkin' on The Fightin' Side Of Me.

Chorus

The more stories like this I hear, the more I question how many true "moderate" Muslims are left in the world...

If you are muslim and you do not plan on participating in our society, educating yourself, getting a job or career, then you do not belong here. We in America are not holding mass auditions for a new unemployed sandperson reality tv show. We are not going to have a separate society of muslims within the US living off of government welfare while at the same time training to kill us. WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT! IT IS OUR RESPONSIBLITY AS THE ONES BURDENED WITH THIS KNOWLEDGE TO DO SOMETHING BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

Well what are you going to do when people are dumb and in denial? I remember on TV there was an interview where they taped the bad imam saying terrible things in a building belonging to the "good" imam's mosque/community center, paid for by British taxpayers, and then they showed the tape to the good imam and he was properly shocked in front of the cameras and said he would look into it and the MSM was properly happy with itself. Naturally the good imam did nothing about it since he knew about it all along, and it is part of his agenda. Lie to the little boyscouts and they walk away happy for the time being.

I was just watching The Terminator for the umpteenth time. The Islamists are like the Terminator and we are like the dumb cops in the movie who don't even know who the enemy is and can't believe what is happening right in front of their eyes. The terminator is winning because he has no humanity. Remember, it is the fact that a guy from the future who comes back who saves Sarah Connor. No guy from the future and Sarah would be toast and then some.

#73 Captain_InsaneO

Yeah, I think it will have to be private citizens who do the exposes of Islam in America because the MSM have shown that they're not at all interested in doing anything other than parroting the RoP spiel. FOX is supposed to be this "far reich wingnut" network, but they've had five years since 9-11 to do an undercover investigation and even they haven't made one.

If I stood up in church and said the kind of stuff these fellows are espousing, wouldn't I be under arrest right now? Just wondering.

#78 GreenSoccer

What are we gonna do?

One thing we could do is the same thing THEY do. That is, use the media to our advantage. Put OBSESSION or material like it on the tube here in the USA. Over and over. We have the experts with the knowledge of the situation. We have people like Robert Spencer and ex-muslims like Walid Shoebat and Wafa Sultan who have come foward to *try* to warn us. The press in the USA is not doing their job. We are at war! But all they are interested in is Britney Spears' chooch and what Rosie O'Donnell said today. If we cannot get the message out to the population, the war is all but lost. The sad fact is that the mainstream press is the key.

Somebody tell me why GE cannot put the hurt on NBC for being so damn ignorant when GE is a prime US defense contractor and GE owns NBC? HOW IS IT THAT WE ALLOW ONE OF OUR BIGGEST DEFENSE CONTRACTORS TO RUN A MAJOR TV NETWORK WHICH HAS SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER AND HAS SAID SUCH GEMS AS "OUR TROOPS ARE STORMING HOUSES AND KILLING SUNNNIS?"

Our difficulties and danger will not be removed by closing our eyes to them. They will not be removed by mere waiting to see what happens;nor will they be removed by a policy of appeasement.
Winston Churchill

Hey England! Ya'll remember this guy? What? Oh never mind then.

HOW IS IT THAT WE ALLOW ONE OF OUR BIGGEST DEFENSE CONTRACTORS TO RUN A MAJOR TV NETWORK WHICH HAS SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER AND HAS SAID SUCH GEMS AS "OUR TROOPS ARE STORMING HOUSES AND KILLING SUNNNIS?"

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That's how.

At least we have other outlets. Like this web site, or even talk radio. But the sad truth is you can't force people to be informed.

Funny, no Kosling jake on this thread. I wonder why?

If these imams love an islamic way of life so much, why the frig are they living in the United Kingdom and not in some middle eastern paradise where they teach small children to despise joos, women, christians and zoastorans(sp.), etc.

#55 Beagle

I read your link along with all the posts and my head is doing a 360. Where are these people coming from? They actually believe islam is some benign religion that wants to peacefully coexist here in the U.S., but those mean conservatives are making it so hard on them...c'c'can't we just all get along?

Good gosh. They see the headlines here at lgf and say what a racist site this is without ever linking to the articles posted. This isn't Charles making stuff up; he's simply passing on the information from AP, Reuters, Memri, and other bonafide sources.

These are the same people who say Christians are just as dangerous as jihadi's. The blindness of the left gives me high blood pressure.

Undercover Mosques', Dispatches, goes out at 8pm on Monday, 15 January

Hopefully I can record this and upload somewhere. Though it is on Channel 4 (which is to the left of the BBC) so at some point they'll probably blame Israel.

Satellite TV is crammed with channels of every variant of Christian Ministries ( even the Catholic church has a channel now ) and anybody with the inclination and interest can examine what goes on in Christian services of every persuasion in their own home .
Anybody care to suggest a reason why sermons in mosques are never seen ?
I think I know why ... The truth about what is preached by the RoP would become just too obvious to even the most LLL viewer .

Another speaker says Muslims cannot accept the rule of non-Muslims. ‘You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir [non-Muslim],’ a preacher, Dr Ijaz Mian, tells a meeting held within the mosque. ‘We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.’

it sounds like...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In 1920, some 18,000 Muslims from Sindh and the Northwest Frontier Province emigrated to Afghanistan on the urging of Muslim religious leaders. They saw India as a Dar al-Harb, a non-Islamic land inhabited mainly by Hindus and controlled by the British; they sought to live in a Dar al-Islam, which signified a Muslim-majority and rule of Islam. The Moplah rebellion in Malabar (now part of Kerala) involved large mobs of armed Muslims attacking Hindus and British authorities. Thousands of people were killed and inter-communal harmony was severely weakened as a result.

Missing Part... the roits came when Muslim world united against British, because they placed the blame of fall of caliphet on British. After this, india was visited by the most unholy figure, to collabrate with indian Muslims.the figure was Amin Al Husseini, a devil responsible and creditied for Armenian Holocaust, Bosnian Masscare, Hebron Masscare, Serbian Masscare, Jewish holocust and Foundation of Pakistan and Bangladesh... thus slughtering of more then 12 million Hindus (official figure) from Dec. 1923 onwards.

the Devil, also credited as father of Palestein nationalist movement, and great uncle of Yassir Arrafat... the one and only Amin al Husseini had learned politics from indian Muslims, known as Deobandis...

so, i think this might help you guys to understand... why Bomb Bomb UK and why Bomb Bomb USA... and why all allies had to suffer

#88 pass the moonbaticide

this is because politicians have made very big mistakes after world war 2. In out own ego, we forgot to unite east and west. check from the perfect example...

India Got freedom, because Various indians have participated in World War 2 .. helping Britain against Nazi's...

After World War 2, Gandhi was given the power of India... because India had really done a great service by ignoring the conflict between British and Indians... and by supporting the British troops against Nazi threat... and helped in saving the whole world.

So, what really gone wrong here... Was Gandhi really supporting the British troops... Infact he was against supporting British...the pro-Muslims Gandhi and Her congress party was creating a problem for British... thats why Gandhi was in Jail back till 1944...

It might be a Question, then from where came this whole Army of indians... it came from Veer Savarkar... a Personality been blamed in todays world to be Neo Nazi and Racist, ignoring the ultimate contribution he had given in providing us democracy and freedom. the fever is so high, that new indian meetings from 2000 dont even give a proper respect to its statue... where every indian politician rub his nose next to gandhi.

so what should we blame... what was it, a discrimination against Hindu nationalist.. or a policy to support pro-Muslim leaders? was really the image of Hindus as Pagan absolutely right.. where every prayer of hindus speaks of Parbrahm as the only god, and further all are mearly incarnation of it. its equivalent to what you say Hasheem...

the Question of what happening occurs around the globe, but the answer lies in West. why we really disrespected the unselfish service provided to us.. in short, we had thrown a axe on our own feet... thats why we all are suffering...

Important points:

"Inner Jihad", meaning an individiual's inner struggle to become a better Moslem, is a concept which has only been talked about for the past century. It comes from the point when, at the end of his long career of murder, rape, pillage that Mohammed is reputed to have said "inner jihad" is the greater struggle. This story is based on a very dubious, faulty hadith and is not accepted by any of the major islamic schools of theology. Also, note there is no element of repentance or reflection upon one's sins because, in Islam there is no individual free will. This idea of "inner" jihad is being put about by Moslems and their apologists to give the impression that "jihad" is not inherently violent in its nature and that only extremists practice violent jihad. They are lying.

It's useful for Lizards to know this when speaking to the average, uninformed person who will parrot back this nonsense about "inner jihad" from what he/she has heard or read from MSM and moslems and their apologists. Tell the above to this person, don't let them live in ignorance; people need this information --- they're not stupid, they are just not being given the facts.

Is is NOT the imams who are the problem: ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM. The core beliefs are intolerant, violent and degrading. These imams have credibility with their peoples because they are actually speaking the truth as Islam has pronounced it for its entire history.

This is why I keep pushing for our demanding in the US (and it should be so in Britain, Australia, Canada and Denmark, too) that Islam should be reclassified as a social/political ideology of a basically seditious nature (because of its call to be the only legal and political authority, worldwide under its own sharia system) and thereupon proscribed and legally outlawed. To do that, we have to disseminate as much correct info about Islam's doctrines, policies and its "prophet's" conduct as possible so that people realise the ideology itself is the problem, not power-hungry imams or "extremists" acting outside its core beliefs. And so that people realise that every act of violence is done in imitation of and appreciation of Mohammed as Islam's "perfect man" template.

Woah... I totally did not see that coming!

21, new tommy, they have to put in cameras and microphones that are on 24/7. It would be against the law to turn them off.

I'm going back in UK to work this month. I'm sick already...

91, very good talking points.

These documentaries have been run before,
there was one called "What Muslims Want" and it's not a comedy looking at attitudes to the 7/7 bombings.Which is available as a torrent.

This time things are heating up as even the Guardian are turning anti-Jihad

I recommend that concerned Brits sign up to this:

[Link: petitions.pm.gov.uk...]

Seems the British have the same malady as the French ...20/20 vision with ones head planted firmly below ground in the sand .

OMIGOSH ! "hate speech " ...from WHERE !?

Mosques !

...the only encouraging sign , coming from the U.K. is , the fact that someone had the intelligence to infiltrate and report .

The Czechs did it about two years ago , which brought about "much seething " from the "peace loving tolerant muslims " there ,...thence the ppeacefull reaction ...of a few death threats .

poor Europeans , their only real weapons left are ,"awareness " and acceptance of a greater reality forming in their midst .

Will they wake up in time ?

-stay tuned .

Skunk-woman got it right ...it's Trump , Brittany Spear's underwear[or lack thereof ] , portfolio's and """s-e-x""" scandals .

Have we learned nothing ?

While we were estimating the sperm content of Monica's panties ...9/11 was being rehearsed , arabs were taking flying lessons in AMERICA , Republicans and Democrats were trying to stab one another in the ass [and still are ] ,... and all that AFTER the '93 attack on the WTC .

Talk about "dreamland " ...

No. 90 Humanity

Note your point . Well researched . Thank you

#11, Republic,
Barbara Boxer.. If she is the only one who sees it our government has really jumped off the cliff. The fact that she has had any moral clarity on anything is quite shocking, not to mention more moral clarity than Bush and other conservatives on this issue. It is truly shocking.

91 - Imams ARE the problem; cut off the head and the snake dies.

I agree your ultimate objective is the correct concept for victory. The problem is one of incrementalism; you have to start with the most significantly effective stages and build up to the endstage.

I also think if another successful 9/11-type attack occurs all bets are off...I for one will not wait for an ineffective, passive or compassionate response from our professional political class.

#83

At least we have other outlets. Like this web site, or even talk radio. But the sad truth is you can't force people to be informed.

Oh really, i think something missing by us is creativity... try to think a bit creative, you have a big theme.

I did hear Rush say before the elections that the conservatives were going more moderate because they were afraid of the Christian right. I am "afraid" they are losing that base which is huge, and the true Reagan conservatives due to their idiotic bending over to the libs these past 6 years.

Is anyone getting sick of hearing how the republicans didn't let the libs in on anything? I am sick of hearing it because they most certainly did and that is why they lost this last election. The republicans in congress compromised on a lot of stuff with the libs. Whereas the libs will not even give the GOP one iota of a say. They will push through their agenda. The GOP DIDN'T push through their agenda when they were elected. I wish they would have. They had lots of time to push through the agendas they were hired for and squandered it by 'reaching out to the libs'.. Shoot, the libs are as aggressive now as I wish the conservatives would have been.

What made me sick was when Bush told the repubs before Christmas break to push through to make tax cuts permanent, and they sheepishly told him they couldn't. NOW, we have to deal with pelosi who has already changed the rules of the majority votes so that she can get the liberal tax hikes through.

Way to go spineless conservatives!

#102 chemicalcorpse

to be a Imam, you dont need a high level of Islamic eduction or doctrine... this is a concept against Christanity pastor's, Jewish Rabbi or Hindu Guru's...

the best example of it is "amin AL Husseini"... the snake you are cutting, has thousands of Heads.. which grows again and again...

think of that poison, which definately is Truth for Islamic snake growing on the Bread of lies... thus the whole devil dies...

someone has said.. don't know was it Jesus or Krishna... don't kill the devil, kill evil inside it...

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-) (FYI – Surah means “chapter” in the Qur’an.)

Replace "them" with "Muslims", replace "Idolatry" with "Islam" and then ask a Muslim what he thinks of our quote.

Remember, "Idolatry" is directed at all the deity worshipers and that's about 2 billion people on the planet. The Qur’an has a very big agenda for those who take up its teachings.

#74, captain Insane,
Yes, most don't realize that there is a war, and if it weren't for the Bush administrations' policies, and OUR BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN IN THE MILITARY, we would be fighting it over here.

If Bush succumbs to the libs in the next 2 years we may be fighting it over here.

Maybe having men with scarfs over their faces holding guns shooting at us as we enter our homes, and tanks in our front yard, and blood in the streets from people being shot will wake some Americans up, then they will wish we were fighting it over there. But then it will be too late and we will be forced to bow to Mohammad.

‘We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.’

...if ya step in my hood, it's understood, it's
OPEN SEASON

#107 revka

But then it will be too late and we will be forced to bow to Mohammad.

Never.
Never.
Never.

The MFers will have to behead me if it comes to that shit.

And if it does go down like that I plan to die like Fabrizio Quatrocchi, may his name live forever!

Maintain your 2nd ammendment right to protect yourself and arm your children for they will be fighting the Islamic horde in the streets of the US within a generation. The "leadership" of neither political party have the spine to do what it takes for the survival of our country and our Western culture and values. We the people will have to do it.

#110 dr-right
Amen.

The most disturbing thing in this world is the fact, that Osama Bin Laden could really be classified as a moderate Islamist today.

The rest of the RoP-followers is so much more extreme, it really makes Osama seem timid. Osama lead the attack against the USS Cole, the African embassies and several thousand Americans on 9-11.

Yep, and that still qualifies as moderate. Because as far as I know he wanted to conduct war against the West, to "free" the Muslim homelands (whatever "free" means in this context). He may be a son of a bitch, but compared to Achmad-"Islam must be prepared to rule the world"-Dinnerjacket he certainly seems moderate.

As time goes by, our fellow Muslim extremists are expressing opinions so increasingly strange that sometimes we even might find Hitler seem moderate. After all, he "just" wanted to kill the Jews and rule Europe and parts of Northern Africa.

#106 108

Muslims are not that well organiser, or perhaps they don't pretend to be... though they are.

Chapters can be explaned as a context sensitive divison of a big Topic, so reader can understand it well... in Historical books.. it usually time and place sensitive division.

Surah are Muslim Invention, to misguide the kufirs, Dhimis by arranging topic/data in a spagetti manner... so Non-Muslims can't get threatened by Islamophobia, and islam can continue its Kafir slaughtering for achiving its goal of 72 Virgins and 26 pearl like white & young boys...

Surah Also plays a big role for those radical Muslims, who advertise themself as Moderate... because surah help them to give a excuse... that Islam has been misinterpreted.

One way to fight your enemy is to look hard at what he regards as his strongest point: that is also, paradoxically, his weakest point.

For example, Rommel stated that the British army's greatest strength was the fighting, bulldog-like tenacity of its soldiers. BUT, he also said that this strength was also the army's greatest weakness because its dependency on this tenacity reduced its ability to think and move quickly to take advantage of sudden changes.

Moslems have said they will defeat us through demography and sharia. Women are their key: Arafat: 'we will outbreed you' to the Israelis. No, I am not countenancing killing Moslem women! The face mask and full apparel is the way sharia is pushed in the West and Moslems are relying on Western respect for women and for 'faith' to effect public acceptance of what is slavery. We need to pass legislation to forbid masks, to forbid child marriages, put restrictions (as they do in Denmark) against Moslem girls being sent to Moslem countries to marry and bring back their foreign husbands, to set up education programs in schools and social services to inform Moslem females of agencies that will protect them physically and legally from violent Moslem men. We also need to inform the public of the public health disaster of the Moslem policy of multiple births (mental and physical handicaps via this consanguinity practice --- marrying first cousins --- which is responsible for 34% of all mental/physical birth handicaps in Britain) and of how infrastructures --- (schools, hospitals, housing) are damaged by this deliberate overpopulating. We should not fall into the trap of home schooling; this will be used by Moslems to prevent their daughters from being publicly educated. Moslem women, even in US and Britain, are kept in ignorance.

This is one way to directly attack a strong point.

Does anyone think it's any different in US mosques? I don't. What to do, what to do?

#112 -> all very good points. i think we're becomimg immune to extremism, because we hear of it so much.

a decade or so ago, a suicide bomber story would have been a BIG deal. we would have reacted with shock and horror.

nowadays, it happens all the time in Iraq and we barely notice.

The difference between a moderate and warrior Muslim is that the moderate cowers when they read this quote:

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

With peer pressure growing, the moderates will cower less until there are no moderates.

#101 revka:

The fact that she [Barbara Boxer] has had any moral clarity on anything is quite shocking, not to mention more moral clarity than Bush and other conservatives on this issue. It is truly shocking.

Actually, it's an example of the old saying, "Only Nixon could go to China."

What that saying means, is that only someone with impeccable ideological credentials has the political cover to take a maverick contrarian position. Nixon, with a track record as a staunch anti-Communist, could get away with detente with Red China without being accused of being "soft on Communism." And Barbara Boxer, a staunch ultra-liberal, can get away with denouncing CAIR without being accused of being "Islamophobic"--how can a staunch liberal be Islamophobic?

There are many other examples: Reagan negotiating drastic arms reduction with the Soviets; Clinton signing into law a major welfare reform bill; etc.

#114 cry of defiance and not of fear:

You are correct that we need to address the demography issue. But isn't the rigid opposition by some social conservatives to abortion and birth control in the Third World actually hurting us in that regard?

Some of the strongest supporters of Bush and the GOP are also opposed to promoting abortion and birth control in the Third World. Yet it seems to me that encouraging Muslim women to use birth control and get abortions is a great way to reduce the Muslim birth rate.

Another speaker says Muslims cannot accept the rule of non-Muslims. ‘You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir [non-Muslim],’ a preacher, Dr Ijaz Mian, tells a meeting held within the mosque. ‘We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.’

Muslims certainly have the right not to accept the rule of non-Muslims, should they so wish. And luckily for them, there are plenty of Muslim-ruled countries for them to choose from. But Britain isn't one of them.

OT...breaking news:
Major gas leaks in N.Y.C.
People are being overcome with the fumes in highrises.
Fox News reporting.

I'm quite surprised that this was reported in the Guardian. The Guardian...the newspaper that never met a jihadi, jew-hater, or America-hater that it didn't like.

#102 chemicalcorpse

I have a sinking feeling that if another "successful 9/11-type attack occurs" our own governments will turn on us rather than the Muslims.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

# 114 cry of defiance and not of fear

Cogent strategic thinking. Appealing to Muslim women who live with the problem is ultimately the solution to the problem. Westernizing their thinking is the surest route to changing their men AND reducing their birth rates. WE NEED HELEN GURLEY BROWN to "Cosmo-tize" them!

Shocked...me? No not really this is par for the course. The Labour government will do little about it and they are scared to lose the Muslim voters to the Lib-Dems.

At what point do we say that there is really no such thing as a "moderate" believer of Islam?

From what I've seen they all want sharia law enforced, want any open discussion of their religion forbidden, and all women have their rights taken away.

(On a really ironic note, it seems funny that the so-called "right-wingers" are the ones criticizing the culture that wants to take rights away from women and homosexuals and the lefties are defending that culture.)

#122 crown of feathers
#97 raz

Quite agree with your comments on The Guardian. I spent three years in the UK and The Guardian is about as left-wing as a mainstream broadsheet can be. Makes the NYT look like The National Review.

Maybe they're finally waking up over there?

Another speaker says Muslims cannot accept the rule of non-Muslims. ‘You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir [non-Muslim],’ a preacher, Dr Ijaz Mian, tells a meeting held within the mosque. ‘We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.'

I am really tired of their arrogance. We did not ask them nor force them to move to our countries. But to them, we have the problem because we will not submit ourselves to their rule.

Rx

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk:80...]

Well this programme ain't gone out yet and the:

1. This programme will be bad for community relations and;

2. our community will find this offensive and islamophobic and we can not guarantee there won't be consequences

talk has already started.

Remember the documentary that showed that the biggest problem facing Bradford social services was wealthy muslim men grooming under age christian girls for sex? That never got aired did it?

My previous comments about 'cut off the head' was not intended to be limited to one de-facto figure-head of Islam...

I'm talking about ALL those who get in front of a microphone or a camera and profess to speak for Islam and [bigoted word]s in general...

If you espouse hate and destruction there should be a list somewhere in the bowels of the NSA or Pentegon or Langley or Ft. Bragg with your name on it. That list will be a working target list.

I'm proposing wack-a-[bigoted word]... you stick your head up and get it 'taken care of'.

Swift, silent, deadly... no other methodology will work with these people; don't think they wouldn't do the same to you if they had half the opportunity.

Moderate Muslim = Out of Ammunition