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Breaking: Explosion at US Embassy in Athens

Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 9:11:58 pm PST

Blast rips through U.S. embassy compound in Athens.

ATHENS (Reuters) - An explosion ripped through the U.S. embassy compound in central Athens on Friday, a police source said.

It was not clear what caused the blast and there was no immediate word on whether there were any casualties. Police cordoned off all roads around the embassy.

Police officials at the scene said that whatever caused the explosion damaged the official embassy sign outside the mission, but there was little other indication of the extent of damage inside.

UPDATE at 1/12/07 8:09:04 am:

The Associated Press is skeptical that firing an anti-tank rocket at a US embassy is “terrorism:” Blast at U.S. embassy called ‘terrorism’.

ATHENS, Greece - A rocket struck the U.S. Embassy early Friday, exploding inside the modern, glass-fronted building and shattering hopes that Greece’s leftist anti-American militant networks had been dismantled.

Greek authorities said the attack, which caused no injuries, was probably carried out by a domestic terrorist group.

The small anti-tank missile, fired from across a six-lane boulevard, narrowly missed the large blue-and-white U.S. seal on the embassy’s facade and the ambassador’s office, and pierced the building above the front entrance shortly before 6 a.m. It damaged a third-floor bathroom and shattered windows in nearby buildings.

“There were no injuries and very minimal damage,” U.S. Ambassador Charles Ries said outside the embassy.

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1 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:12:39pm

But certainly it's not muslim terrorism...right?

2 Carolina Girl  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:13:16pm

Praying for the safety of our countrymen and others in the embassy.

3 Frank_Mtl  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:14:28pm

There we go again

4 Gadfly  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:14:54pm

Oh we've got a pretty good idea of what probably caused the blast.

5 Beagle  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:14:55pm

Nobody expects the Mennonite Central Committee! Their chief weapons is the box meal with three sides! Would you like pudding?!

6 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:15:01pm

Per Fox News, the State-run NET television is reporting that eyewitnesses say they heard an explosion inside the embassy's main building.

7 Robert D  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:16:45pm
#1 rabidsquirrel 1/11/2007 09:12PM PST

But certainly it's not muslim terrorism...right?

Careful there. Cair will be all over your ass!

8 Brutus  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:16:46pm

Stay calm... I am sure it was nothing more than a mischevious prank perpretrated by otherwise harmless youths.

This message brought to you by your friendly MSM

9 Van Impe  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:17:35pm

From BBC:

An explosion has been heard in the US embassy compound in the Greek capital, Athens, reports say.
Police have surrounded the building and cordoned off the nearby area as they begin to investigate the disturbance.

There was no immediate information about what caused the suspected blast, and no word on any damage or possible injuries.

Fire engines rushed to the scene, amid reports of a third floor blast shortly before dawn, AFP news agency said.

bbc

10 spam spam spam spam  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:17:46pm

Not terrorism.

/State-Bush

11 6patrick6  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:17:58pm

Sounds like we've pissed off someone again! Maybe the help we are giving the Ethiopians is getting to someone? In Greece, it's hard to tell, because there has always been a pretty hardcore group of anti-American types, well before the Islamofascists showed their ugly heads! Whatever group is responsible, I hope they die very, very painful deaths!

12 Beagle  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:18:11pm

To be fair, this could be old-fashioned EuroCommuTerror. I'm sure some of the old geezers are getting all misty-eyed and sentimental watching the jihadis get all the glory striking at our capitalistic-imperialistic-hegemonic-diplomatic buildings. But I would not be shocked greatly if a Mohammed were involved either.

13 gymnast  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:18:27pm

Erbil payback? Loose the lazer pointers in Iran.

14 ibrodsky  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:18:36pm

No injuries. It was about 5 am.

15 Carolyn  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:18:48pm

Hmmm, I wonder just who could it be?.....

16 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:18:55pm

It won't be long until the "progressive" element labels it a "justified" attack.

17 Kailen  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:19:06pm

The democrats only got sworn in last week! Whomever launched this attack, however large or small it turns out to be, sure isn't wasting any time.

18 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:19:21pm

What our policy needs to be and must be for our survival:

Islam, as it is a religion of individuals, is not to be interfered with. Islam, however, insofar as it is directed by governments, and as a measure enforced from above by any government, is to be done away with.
Totalitarian Islam, an ideology that merges state power with religious belief, must go.
Islam, however, insofar as it is directed by governments, and as a measure enforced from above by the government, is to be done away with. People [will] not be taxed to support Islam and there will be no place for Islam in the schools.

Islam as a state religion—National Islam, that is—will go . . . Our policy on this goes beyond Islam . . . The dissemination of Islamic militaristic ideology in any form will be completely suppressed. Middle Eastern Governments will be required to cease financial and other support of Islamic establishments.

Does the above sound extreme? It is the actual text of a telegram sent on 10-11-1945 to the Supreme Allied Commander in Japan, outlining the US policy following their surrender.

This is not a clash between civilizations; it is a clash between civilization and barbarism. Until civilized people assert themselves with a depth of moral confidence exceeding that projected by those who submit to the “will of Allah,” America will remain permanently on the defensive, in a state of moral dhimmitude, and the war will continue to its logical conclusion: a mushroom cloud over America.

The telegram is an excerpt from “No Substitute for Victory”
The Defeat of Islamic Totalitarianism by John Lewis

[Link: www.theobjectivestandard.com...]

Read it all……

19 victor_yugo  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:20:16pm

#11 6patrick6:

Won't happen. Greece is about two steps away from official "dhimmi" status.

20 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:21:16pm

#7 Robert D:

Careful there. Cair will be all over your ass!

I'm pretty sure my infidel ass is haraam.

21 Daisy  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:22:37pm

Justice will not come to Athens until those who are not injured are as indignant as those who are injured.

Thucydides

22 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:22:47pm

Could be an accident...

23 pat  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:23:03pm

Gee, couldn't be the American hating inhabitants of that European slum called "Greece" behind this. Defenseless cowards all.

24 carridine  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:23:09pm

UPDATE: there was an explosion in southern Thailand, just a few hours ago... no reported deaths; some injured...

25 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:24:09pm

#22 Noam Sayin':


Could be an accident...

Premature 'splodation?

26 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:25:48pm

I spent 3 years in Athens from 86-89 -- great place to visit...wouldn't want to live there. There are lots of hard core america haters there. November 11th? 19th? 17th? I forget the name of the group. Could have been anyone. These days? My bet is on the Moosies.

This shit isn't stopping anytime soon -- not with Bush losing his balls and the Dems in power. Strap in boys and girls, we're in for a very long (and bloody) ride.......

Athens is a great place - Glyfada, great beaches - Scandanavian and English babes..oh the memories.

27 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:26:04pm

#25 rabidsquirrel

That too.

28 mattm  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:26:24pm

Quakers, it must be the quakers.

29 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:26:58pm

At this early stage, you can't rule out secular Greek lefti... oh, wait, I see that Beagle (#12) has already beaten me to it. And Patrick (#11) too. Well, ditto -- could be Muslims, could be left-wing radicals.

30 Frank_Mtl  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:27:42pm

From BBC :

heavily-fortified building


Not enough to have prevented this it seems.

31 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:27:58pm

(Took me several tries to remember what my LGF password is!)

32 Orbit Rain  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:28:14pm

...mullocracy's cretins hard at work...

33 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:28:53pm

#26 soccerdad:

November 17th. A nasty little bunch. IIRC, they killed the CIA station chief back in '75. Believe they also murdered an American Navy Captain and Defense Attache.

34 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:29:22pm

I left a word out of my posting @ #18 above. he're what is should state...

Does the above sound extreme? It is the actual text of a telegram sent on 10-11-1945 to the Supreme Allied Commander in Japan, outlining the US policy following their surrender, substituting the word 'Islam' for 'Shintoism'.

The Japanese, at one time, were religious extremists as well.

35 pork rinds for allah  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:30:04pm

i r a n ?

How about this..

right or wrong we bomb the oil refineries of iran...

then say "sorry"

36 Dr. Manhattan  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:30:33pm

#26

One thing we do know: the attackers had a beef with the U.S. of A. Probably for good reason.

They are just airing their grievances. Let's look at ourselves first, and then think about the root causes of this.

/sarc

37 ASD  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:31:00pm

The Amish strike again.

38 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:31:47pm

#26 soccerdad

This shit isn't stopping anytime soon -- not with Bush losing his balls and the Dems in power.

You mean Bush is trying to prevent the Dems from sending 20,000 more troops?

39 Pawn of The Oppressor  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:31:59pm

Obviously it's because of Bush and Iraq

/doesn't matter if it's true or not, somebody will say it

40 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:32:05pm

#33 Rabid squirrel -- thanks -- yes.

They also blew up Bobbie's, in Glyfada, a bar that I had left about 30 minutes prior in 1986.

(he re-opened in another location and we STILL danced on the bar!)

41 blue_like_jazz  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:32:35pm

it's all our fault for following hellenistic thought here in the west.

42 DesertSage  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:32:38pm

I'm not worried, Nancy Pelosi will know what to do...

43 lastofourkind  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:33:19pm

those damn shakers curses!

44 blue_like_jazz  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:34:28pm

i can't WAIT to see what the donks DO about this.

45 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:34:52pm

"zorkmidden," the Greek-American gal who co-runs Discarded Lies, commented there that anti-Guantanamo protesters demonstrated around the U.S. Embassy in Athens just yesterday (10 January), and there is already speculation in Greek media that the explosion might be connected to that.

46 Pawn of The Oppressor  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:35:21pm
Police officials at the scene said that whatever caused the explosion damaged the official embassy sign outside the mission, but there was little other indication of the extent of damage inside.

OH GOD, NOT THE SIGN! YOU MONSTERS!111

Seriously, I hope it's not too bad. There have been some rather nasty assassinations in Greece in years past, have there not?

47 victor_yugo  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:37:40pm

#36 Dr. Manhattan:

Or, we find the perps, and remind them of your namesakes (the Project, and the WTC).

/not-sarc

48 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:37:47pm

#38 Soloman --

See my # 18 for necessary policy shift. There is about as much chance of those 20,000 reinforcements going over there as there is of it being 75 degrees and sunny here tomorrow.

He'll cave.

(I hope not, I'm STILL in his corner, as he's waaaaaay better than the alternative. But he's hobbled...I'm not optomistic about his chances or ability to lead anymore. XXXXX ten figners crossed that I am wrong)

49 Black George Bush  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:38:30pm

We cant rush to judgement, it could be those Irish Catholic Nun Extremists :0

50 Fiery Red XIII  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:39:30pm

Wow, maybe a 24 hour rule would help? We have no details except a boom, and already we're sure it's Greeks, Muslims, or Eurocommu people. Which is it? I'll wait this one out thank you.


Red

51 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:40:37pm

BGB -- in the night time! Sorry to hear that your work area was changed and can't post in the am anymore.

52 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:40:42pm

#49 Black George Bush:

We cant rush to judgement, it could be those Irish Catholic Nun Extremists :0

They're mean and cruel. Especially when armed with a wooden ruler.

53 Bill Amos  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:41:26pm

Maybe Micheal Moore farted ?

54 blue_like_jazz  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:41:52pm

[Link: discardedlies.com...]


the 2 or 3 police cars normally at the gate weren't there right before the attack?

suggested that it's a rocket attack?


//too early to tell, but it was a BIG explosion by all accounts

55 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:42:13pm

#50 Fiery Red XIII:

Wow, maybe a 24 hour rule would help? We have no details except a boom, and already we're sure it's Greeks, Muslims, or Eurocommu people.

Well, some of us did suggest Quakers or Amish...

56 RTLM  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:42:35pm

The MSM and the Euro-American Left will cheer this

What ever it is.

57 saltmarsh  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:44:18pm

damn those canadians.

58 Fiery Red XIII  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:45:37pm

#55 true, but if it's the greeks, I'll say I was wrong...it honestly doesn't seem likely to me...A lot of the comments are against most of the Greeks. All the ones I know...family included, love America...there's a reason they came here!


Red

59 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:45:53pm

Jay Nordlinger

I have a friend who, in a phone conversation last weekend, said the unsayable. Come to think of it, this friend makes a specialty of saying the unsayable. That is one reason he is invaluable.

He said, “The Democrats have to win in 2008 — I mean, the whole enchilada: House, Senate, and presidency.” You ought to know that my friend is a staunch conservative Republican. “Why?” I said. “Why do they have to win?” He answered, “Because that’s the only way they will be fully onboard the War on Terror. They won’t fully support it otherwise, because they will always be trying to trip up the Republicans. If you want the Democrats onboard the War on Terror, they have to be in charge. Period.”

A dark, dark proclamation. And redolent of ol’ Joe, the one from Wisconsin. I am not entirely convinced of its wrongness, however.

60 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:46:28pm
#53 Bill Amos 1/11/2007 09:41PM PST

Maybe Micheal Moore farted

?


Indeed, we have not heard from that fart-in-a-bottle for quite a long time now...who knew he was in Athens

61 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:46:31pm

#50 Red

Wow, maybe a 24 hour rule would help? We have no details except a boom, and already we're sure it's Greeks, Muslims, or Eurocommu people. Which is it? I'll wait this one out thank you.


Red

wait all you want -- speculating (and I use the term loosely) is half the fun. I guess you want to wait and see how the trials turn out for the club gitmo guys too?

62 Thin Blue Line  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:46:56pm

ATHENS (Reuters) - An explosion ripped through the U.S. embassy compound in central Athens on Friday, police said.

It was not clear what caused the blast and there was no immediate word on whether there were any casualties.

"We are investigating the cause of the explosion. We are not ruling anything out," a senior police official told Reuters.

Dozens of police cars surrounded the embassy and police cordoned off all roads in the area, including a major boulevard in front of the mission.

"Police have cut off all traffic. I am standing right here but there does not seem to be any damage. Greece's anti-terror squad are now investigating inside the embassy," a U.S. embassy employee at the scene told Reuters.

The senior police official did not say whether the explosion was set off inside the compound or whether something might have been thrown into the embassy grounds.

Police officials at the scene said that whatever caused the explosion damaged the official embassy sign outside the mission, but there was little other indication of the extent of damage inside.

The tightly guarded building is surrounded by a 3-meter (9-feet)-high steel fence. Guards are posted at every entrance and at street corners around it.

Embassy officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

Local residents called in to state television saying they had felt the explosion, which shattered some windows.

Greece's biggest domestic security threat, the leftist November 17 guerrilla group, which had in the past killed U.S. and other foreign diplomats in Greece, was dismantled in 2002

63 Dr. Manhattan  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:47:39pm

Seems like no one was hurt, and it was a minor attack. I am hearing maybe...grenade?

/I still think it could have been anyone, even a lone wacko

64 Thin Blue Line  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:48:28pm

Let the games begin!

65 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:51:19pm

#58 Fiery Red XIII:


#55 true, but if it's the greeks, I'll say I was wrong...it honestly doesn't seem likely to me...A lot of the comments are against most of the Greeks. All the ones I know...family included, love America...there's a reason they came here!

It may or may not have been the Greeks. There are a few "organized" terrorist groups over there that have always had a hard-on for American targets, but most of the groups were pretty small. November 17th took a big hit in the Greek crackdown before the 2004 Olympics. The other one that comes to mind, the People's Revolutionary Struggle (or something like that) fell apart back in the 90's. I'm sure there are still remnants of both agitating every now and then.

But I agree, 24 hour rule should probably be in effect.

66 Thin Blue Line  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:51:40pm

Greek Games...A few events

Grenade toss....

Barrier Ram.....

I know you lizards have a few of your own!

67 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:52:14pm

#55 firey red

Most of the greeks are excellent people! Love the USA -- agreed. I spent a lot of time there.

But there is a real, active element of commies, with a history of killing Americans -- see rabid squirrel and my posts above.

That said -- my bet is on the muslims as 'retaliation' for our policies.

68 Sta-Puft  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:52:30pm

Damned Presbyterians.

69 Fiery Red XIII  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:52:44pm

#62 and #61,

Again, if I'm wrong, I'll apologize...and #61, you have first hand experience of their anti-americanism I guess,so I won't argue that. But on the chat too, many people were attacking greeks, for being greek...that's what made me angry. Thank you for NOT doing that. Have a good night all!


Red

70 Omega  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:52:49pm

It obvious the buddists and the jooooooos teamed-up to commit this atrocity.

I'm sure the forces of Islam did everything in their power to stop them.

{
/sarcasm}

71 Lazarus  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:53:15pm

#59 solomonpanting

He said, “The Democrats have to win in 2008 — I mean, the whole enchilada: House, Senate, and presidency.” You ought to know that my friend is a staunch conservative Republican. “Why?” I said. “Why do they have to win?” He answered, “Because that’s the only way they will be fully onboard the War on Terror. They won’t fully support it otherwise, because they will always be trying to trip up the Republicans. If you want the Democrats onboard the War on Terror, they have to be in charge. Period.”

Nordlinger misses a crucial distinction. The Democrats must be in power in order to appear to be onboard the War on Terror. Otherwise they will make their opposition to it plain. Either way, they never will actually do anything to crush the enemy.

72 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:55:16pm

#71 Lazarus 1/11/2007 09:53PM PST

but..but..but...Bill Clinton thought of nothing but getting that Bin Laden guy, right?

73 Fiery Red XIII  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:55:58pm

Also, just wanted to say that my experience w/Greek people I know differs from yours Soccerdad...and #65 RS, and all, thanks for the info as I needed to be reminded...I honestly hadn't thought about the organized greek groups, sorry for that...have a good 1!

Red

74 czarernie  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:56:33pm

If bushhitler let Sadam alone this would never have happened.

75 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:56:33pm

#71 lazarus --

AMEN

76 saltmarsh  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:56:43pm

I don't know about Ed, but I've been drunk in Athens. Repeatedly. Met my first wife's identical twin there.

77 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:57:00pm

It was probably a rocket attack. There was one against the US Embassy in Athens before, back in 1996.

78 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:57:34pm

Later, Red. Time for the Squirrel to hit the hay. Early meetings with clients in the morning.

'Nite LGF.

79 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:57:49pm

g'night Red.

80 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:58:37pm

Where is Rove? What has he been doing since the elections? Is he Greek? Who can backup his story? I want the MSM to get right on this! We need to know!

// {;-)

81 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:59:09pm

*rolls eyes*

82 victor_yugo  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 7:59:54pm

I doubt it was a gas leak. An explosion that size would require either a big leak or a long-term leak. People would have either smelled it, or at least gotten sore eyes and noses (if Greeks don't use mercaptan and couldn't smell it).

83 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:00:24pm

#76 Saltmarsh -- see my # 26 above. Me too! Great place for liberty. Loved Athens

84 Fight The Hypocrisy  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:00:27pm

#29 Throbert McGee

...could be Muslims, could be left-wing radicals.

Or.. it could be both. You know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Just like 90% of San Fransisco.

85 squarepeg  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:02:13pm

All this confusion . . . eco-terrorists, Euro-terrorists, Muslim terrorists . . . WHOM DO WE APOLOGIZE TO?!

86 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:02:26pm

This site lists a February 1996 "mortar attack" by the "Revolutionary Organization 17 November", a Marxist terrorist group, natch.

87 Thin Blue Line  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:02:29pm

So what's the spin in the morning on the hill with this one?

88 squarepeg  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:03:57pm

Never mind. Kerry has just issued a blanket apology to all blankets. J'apologize...

89 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:04:06pm

l8r all. great chattin with ya

90 RTLM  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:05:15pm

Was a nice quiet night - lazy even. I gotta sleep.

But here's the new Comet McNaught on its way into the Sun. Beautiful pics

Nite all

91 Thin Blue Line  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:05:21pm

Talking points...

Iraq Bush to Blame...

Athens Bush to Blame....

Asia Bush to Blame....

Yale Choir SF beating Bush to blame....

Any questions?

92 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:06:30pm

"November 17" terrorists admit to 1996 US embassy rocket attack

The "November 17" terrosist [sic] group in a new proclamation has assumed responsibility for the rocket attack on the United States' embassy in Athens, back in February 1996.

The terrorists' proclamation, the third sent to Athenian daily ELEFTHEROTYPIA in as many days, says that they did not issue one at the time of the attack on the US mission because "the reasons were so obvious and understood" and it relates it to the Imia crisis between Greece and Turkey in January 1996.

Police sources said yesterday that American police authorities have offered the use of state-of-the-art electronic equipment to assist in the hunt for the terrorist group.

Anyone care to wager it's the same group?

93 Fight The Hypocrisy  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:07:15pm

#76 Saltmarsh

Hmmm, your wife has an identical twin, who you met - in Greece - before you met your wife, so you must have gotten to know her pretty well because you ended up marrying her sister. Soo, I can't help myself, I've just gotta ask ... did you... umm.. you know? ;)

94 DesertSage  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:08:09pm

All this fighting over the Antikythera mechanism?

95 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:09:09pm

#71 Lazarus

The Democrats must be in power in order to appear to be onboard the War on Terror. Otherwise they will make their opposition to it plain. Either way, they never will actually do anything to crush the enemy.

Clinton was reluctant to pursue Osama and his clique. Can we believe Gore would have been as persistent as Bush after 9-11? Kerry? Hillary? Obama? The Pelosi, Murtha, Kennedy crowd? Any of these past or future power players?
Which is why, when it boils down to fighting the terrorists and I hear folks referring to Bush as a dhimmi, or burka-clad, or a "moderate Muslim" I really wonder if they've ever imagined any of the above in lieu of Bush on this issue.

96 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:09:12pm

#93

You are a baaaaad boy...

97 thabo  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:10:45pm

can we send a C-130 gunship to Greece now?

98 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:11:16pm

#92 Spiny -- just for fun -- I'll take the wager. although Nov 17 is my second choice. Got personal experience with them.

What are we bettin? (my money, beer, pride, is on a Muslim/iranian group.

Retaliation for us hitting their mission in iraq today.

99 saltmarsh  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:11:58pm

#93 no.

#96 no.

100 David2  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:11:59pm

Irbil payback? Are we actually going to have an exchange with the enemy? Be still my heart.

101 kristina37  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:14:22pm

There were also some explosion in Iran...may or may not be significant [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

102 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:16:00pm

#95 Solomon - great point. I'm with you -- I'm in Bush's corner -- til the end.

My comment earlier notwithstanding - dropped in frustration of losing the election and it being his fault.

he's still the best and only horse we can back in this race until 2008.

103 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:16:04pm

#90 RTLM

G'day - thanks for that link to the McNaught comet

Beautiful pics!

And this comet was discovered by an Aussie - we do have good news coming out of here other than the Thick Sheikh

104 Fight The Hypocrisy  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:16:57pm

#96 Spiny Norman

Like I said, sometimes I just can't help myself, and especially after all the ladies going on about guys earlier today I thought I could get away w/ it.

#99 saltmarsh

oh well, there's still always hope for me! Just kidding, I just got married this past September. And NOT to a twin either.

105 Lazarus  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:19:07pm

#95 solomonpanting

Which is why, when it boils down to fighting the terrorists and I hear folks referring to Bush as a dhimmi, or burka-clad, or a "moderate Muslim" I really wonder if they've ever imagined any of the above in lieu of Bush on this issue.

I have, and I have no hesistation in saying that the Democrats would be massively worse in fighting the Jihad than the Republicans. Nonetheless, the fact that there are even worse appeasers than Bush does not change the fact he is an appeaser. We must not settle for choosing between the lesser of two moral cowards if we care to survive.

106 Nick18313  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:21:05pm

Sky News out of Great Britain is reporting the explosian was caused by an attack.

107 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:22:37pm

#102 soccerdad

My comment earlier notwithstanding - dropped in frustration of losing the election and it being his fault.

Yeah, the frustration factor is huge. The will to press on must be....huger. :)
Good Night

108 Nick18313  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:22:39pm

ehh explosion

109 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:23:36pm

105 lazarus

jeez -- I'm with you again! I like the way you think.

/we should get a beer sometime.

110 Fight The Hypocrisy  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:23:58pm

#95 solomon

I guess I have to agree with you but, on days when I read a single post here at LGF that points to an occasion on one hand of the White House forcing the FAA to make everyone in the airline industry go thru "sensitivity" training taught by CAIR officials and an occasion on the other hand with Barbara Boxer being 100% right on the money in dealing with CAIR well... sometimes I just lose faith in Bush in these the waning days of his presidency.

111 carridine  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:24:58pm

#105 Lazarus: Concur yr analysis.

We might not HAVE the most ideal of leaders, but we can always recall and strive for high ideals and principled action!

We can DEMAND such principled action on the part of America's policy deciders, and accept no excuses!

This is NOT a practice run before the real thing, this is LIFE!

112 Fight The Hypocrisy  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:26:37pm

#105 Lazarus

Good point in regards to Solomon's post.

Wait a sec... Lazarus.... Solomon... I feel like I'm reading the Old Testament!

113 Thin Blue Line  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:26:52pm

ATHENS (Reuters) - Attackers fired a rocket at the U.S. embassy in Athens on Friday but no one was hurt, police and the U.S. embassy said.

Greek anti-terrorist officers were on the scene.

114 cornish intifada  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:27:42pm

Greeks are one step up from arabs - makes yo uwonder the cultures are alike in a lot of ways. Maybe Hellenism (food music etc) never left the middle east.

115 Lazarus  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:27:45pm

#109 soccerdad

:) If we ever meet, I'll buy.

116 Frank_Mtl  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:28:29pm
117 Thin Blue Line  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:28:38pm

ATHENS (Reuters) - Attackers fired a rocket at the U.S. embassy in Athens on Friday but no one was hurt, police and the U.S. embassy said.

Greek anti-terrorist officers were on the scene.

"This was a rocket attack launched from a building across the street. It landed inside a toilet on the third floor of the embassy," a senior police official told Reuters.

"There are no injuries from the blast," a U.S. embassy spokesman said.

The senior police official said Greece's deputy police chief and Athens police chief had gone into the building together with officers of the national security and anti-terrorist squads.

Dozens of police cars surrounded the embassy and police cordoned off all roads in the area, including a major boulevard in front of the mission.

The tightly guarded U.S. mission is surrounded by a 3-meter (9-feet)-high steel fence. Guards are posted at every entrance and at street corners around it. Continued...

118 soccerdad  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:30:36pm

#112 Fight the hypocrisy -

need to know your history here man, lizards are good! (not sayin you don't -- but good observation)

Laz - solomon - and all lizards...L8R --

This time for real

keep up the good fight.

119 Fight The Hypocrisy  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:31:30pm

WARNING!: EXPLICIT LANGUAGE

#116 Frank_Mtl

Blast at U.S. embassy called 'terrorism'

What a fucking condescending headline. Fucking AP Assholes!

120 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:32:30pm

112 Fight The Hypocrisy

Wait a sec... Lazarus.... Solomon... I feel like I'm reading the Old Testament!

LOL!
Solomon-Old
Lazarus-New

121 Frank_Mtl  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:37:06pm

#119 Fight The Hypocrisy
Agreed. But no matter how they contort, the hard facts eventually come to the surface. I spit on AP too.

122 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:42:44pm

morning all

123 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:43:04pm

planning a new recipie for this weekend

124 Fight The Hypocrisy  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:43:23pm

#120 solomon

Solomon-Old
Lazarus-New


Yeah, I know. Even as I was typing it I was thinking that Lazarus is who Jesus brought back from the dead but I rolled w/ it anyhow. I guess I'm going for the "Fake but Accurate" slant.

#118 soccerdad

I know, I've been registered for years now and I read every article everyday (I really don't feel right if I don't get here for some reason), and I read a good many comments but only throw in my two cents here and there.

125 Lazarus  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:46:34pm

#111 carridine

We might not HAVE the most ideal of leaders, but we can always recall and strive for high ideals and principled action!

We can DEMAND such principled action on the part of America's policy deciders, and accept no excuses!

This is NOT a practice run before the real thing, this is LIFE!

Well said, and I totally agree, especially for the reason you gave at the end. This is life -- our life. It's not enough to say, "But we're trying everything we can" or "Let's tweak our plan a little and add 20,000 more troops" or "Let's give Iraq more time to build a democracy and maybe it'll spread around the Middle East." No, life is too precious to be wasted on fantasies. Political policy must be based in fact. It must recognize the nature of the people involved, without regard to wishful thinking or blissful ignorance or one-world mush.

We must deal with foreign nations by objective standards, chief among them being man's life. We need leaders who understand that man has a specific nature. That his only means of dealing with the world around him is his reasoning mind, and in order to use his mind properly, he must be free to think for himself. He cannot get his identity from his tribe or by substituting someone else's mind for his. Our political policy must be constructed to defend such a basic fact: that government's most sacred charge is to protect man's right to live as he can and should.

Those who say that we have to support the lesser of two evils ignore the fact that they are nonetheless supporting evil, and evil is not our only choice. It only seems that way because we settle for it. If we're ever going to get back to living free, as a proper capitalist society, we must reject this false dichotomy of Democrat-Republican and support those who will really defend us with everything we've got. Two-hundred years ago, we had men who knew the meaning of freedom and individual rights, and our country put its trust in them. We could have them again, if only we're willing to support those ideals. We have everything to gain, and lose.

126 Sihlus  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:51:02pm

Could be more retaliation closer to home.

Poison found in Fla. courthouse

127 jhn1  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:52:57pm

Well, over at Discarded lies, it seems like a rocket was used, and the launcher left behind.
How this skews the perp odds, I will leave for you

128 shug  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:57:25pm

Amish in Greece?

129 aussiemagpie  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 8:59:00pm

#122 Jewels

G'day! Looking forwward to your recipe too

130 The Other Les  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:00:15pm

Minnesota Lutherans.

131 victor_yugo  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:00:35pm

#125 Lazarus:

He cannot get his identity from his tribe or by substituting someone else's mind for his.

Correct. He determines his identity, then chooses his tribe based on that.

132 NY Nana  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:00:44pm

Foxnews has the article and also photos.

133 The Other Les  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:02:54pm

Or it could be those darned Objectivists.

134 solomonpanting  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:05:24pm

Or Al-Fah Beta Queda

135 Dr. Manhattan  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:17:08pm

If Gore had been pres, saddam would still be Pres, and he would probably have The Bomb. Even better? Uday was next in line, and he made saddam look like a humanitarian. Consider that.

Bush's story will be one of the most remarkable presidential stories in the american saga, once we can get distance from it.

He isn't perfect, but he has a spine, and that's what we needed.

136 abefromen  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:26:49pm

obviously if Bush hadn't made that speech last night they wouldn't have launched that rocket. President Bush, you own them a new toilet, this is on YOU!

137 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:27:11pm

A Marxist group called the "Revolutionary People's Struggle", apparently made up of members of the 17 November group not yet in prison, have claimed responsibility for the rocket attack on the US Embassy in Athens.

No link yet. Stay tuned.

138 zombie  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:28:13pm

OT

New zombietime micro-report!

No to Bush's Troop Escalation rally in Berkeley.

With the best "Bush = Hitler" sign I've seen in a while.

Happened just a couple hours ago.

139 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:29:01pm

Correction: the "Revolutionary Struggle" has claimed responsibility.

The "People" have apparently been jetisoned.

140 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:30:30pm

Hey! It's zombie, LGF most famous secret operative!

;^)

141 blue sky  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:31:28pm

#138 zombie

The last line on photo #2 about sums these people up.

142 The Other Les  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:32:02pm

# 138 zombie

I continue to wonder how they manage to get out of bed in the morning (or early afternoon) without killing themselves.

143 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:33:29pm

#138 zombie

Is it just me, or have those dopes run out of ideas?

144 Rufus Lee King  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:36:03pm

I wannna know who broke the toilet. And I wannna know it now!

145 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:39:13pm

Next thing we know, there'll be a deuce in the urinal...

146 blue sky  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:45:03pm

#143 Spiny Norman

I agree. A fading attempt at relevance as glory has passed them by.

147 carridine  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:45:08pm

#125 Lazarus: Agreed.

Yet I add this proviso: That we have faith, in the hearts and minds of the useful idiots other folks around us, who may or may NOT see the dangers circling ever nearer today, but that we have faith such that WHEN some Trigger Event happens in the next few weeks, THEY WILL SEE!

Because, Lazarus, I am NOT the intellectual equal to Mark Steyn, Victor Hansen or Christopher Hitchens, but I have found myself ahead of the curve many times in the last 50 years, times when I thought I was alone in a wilderness of losers, but the "losers" proved me wrong (thank God!) and started LIVING UP TO new requirements demanded by the difficulties of the times!

Hang in. Have faith in American/free humans, Sir.

148 Rufus Lee King  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:45:44pm

Now that we have descended to this level of dirty bombing I suppose there is no turning back.

149 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:55:47pm

Greece has plenty of home-grown leftie nut jobs.

It doesn't look like such a major blast, so maybe a hand grenade or an RPG was lobbed at the bldg?

150 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:56:45pm

#148 Rufus Lee King

Now that we have descended to this level of dirty bombing I suppose there is no turning back.

Since no one was injured, I suppose it is safe to post this.

151 Rufus Lee King  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 9:58:59pm

Taking out an American Standard at long range is a chilling capability we have seen displayed here tonight.

No doubt about it. We are faced with a formidable foe.

152 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:01:59pm

#149 Golden Jerusalem

Greece has plenty of home-grown leftie nut jobs.

It doesn't look like such a major blast, so maybe a hand grenade or an RPG was lobbed at the bldg?

Apparently a splinter group of the Marxist "17 November" terrorists calling themselves "Revolutionary Struggle" have claimed responsibility for the rocket attack.

153 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:03:47pm

#151 RLK:

Taking out an American Standard at long range is a chilling capability we have seen displayed here tonight.

No doubt about it. We are faced with a formidable foe.


Yes, one which shows "an increasing level of sophistication".

See, they used ta throw paint bombs.

154 The Other Les  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:04:51pm

# 151 Rufus Lee King

Taking out an American Standard at long range is a chilling capability we have seen displayed here tonight.


But if it was one of the dreaded "water-saver" commodes then this would be an act of liberation against the diabolical EPA.

Down with water-saver toilets! Give me a commode I only have to flush once!

155 canadianally  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:12:06pm

AP story reported as 'journalism'.

156 Golden Jerusalem  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:13:01pm

#152 Spiny Norman:

Apparently a splinter group of the Marxist "17 November" terrorists calling themselves "Revolutionary Struggle" have claimed responsibility for the rocket attack.

Ah, cheers. Still having morning coffee over here.

This is all b/c of Iraq, of course. Uhm, so what was the excuse for doing the same thing in 1996?

Ah, got it. NATO intervention in Bosnia?

157 scotch  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:14:21pm

Then that act of liberation was an act of war sir. They attacked the epa. Off with their heads!

/off with their heads?

sarc;))

158 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:15:29pm

#156 Golden Jerusalem

Ah, got it. NATO intervention in Bosnia?

Actually, I believe that is the case. I'm certain I read that on one of the "17 November" links I looked at this evening.

159 al-ivanj  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:21:50pm

Hmm... I wonder how soon the conspiracy nuts connect this to Bush's plan to send more troops to Iraq?

160 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:26:58pm

#159 al-ivanj

Hmm... I wonder how soon the conspiracy nuts connect this to Bush's plan to send more troops to Iraq?

When they crawl out of bed tomorrow and read about it at the Daily Kos...

161 Sharku  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:28:35pm

Wow... who burned the lounge down.... must be the Bush Administration....

162 fluffy  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:30:32pm

#161 Sharku

Jamil Hussein will get to the bottom of things.

163 Spiny Norman  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:34:56pm

#162

Jamil Hussein will get to the bottom of things.

He'll have an exclusive, I'm sure.

;^)

164 carridine  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:43:24pm

With so much unwanted publicity on poor Jamil Hussein, AP staffer Kathleen Carroll reports that Hussein filed this report today:


"The truth about the courageous, brave resistance fighters in Baghdad is ...

...and that's the truth!"

You see, Hussein KNOWS the AP will fill in all pertinent facts, factoids and the rumors behind the headlines, in a way that is underwhelmed with truthiness, and won't get Hussein KILLED by Islamic fascist murderers!

165 zulubaby  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 10:52:19pm

What's the story with Jamil Hussein? Has he been located yet?

166 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 11:06:26pm

Dinsdale!

167 mardukhai  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 11:28:02pm

I know quite a bit about the early history of the Greek left, and let me tell you Greek "Liberals" were a bunch of mad dog killers.

Among their crimes was the destruction of an entire city, Salonika in 1916 -- because most of its people were Jews, not Greeks.

168 Mormon Doc  Thu, Jan 11, 2007 11:29:52pm

Probably just some unemployed "youths" out gallavanting.

/these are not the droids you're looking for...move along

169 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:00:19am

Good morning, dead thread.

DO NOT mess with the library !

Oh, and one by Diana West.

170 littleoldlady  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:04:53am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

171 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:14:57am

Is everybody in the lounge or something ?

172 littleoldlady  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:17:35am

It IS more dead than usual, isn't it?

:-(

173 Sharku  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:18:13am

Only Skep and I are in the lounge

174 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:23:12am

So 1,309 people on at the moment and a total of 4 commenting ? Sad.

175 Sharku  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:24:27am

Isnt it great that shehag is down protesting the awful treatment of the gitmo detainies, and the bitch walks right by cuban prisons full of "dissidents" and has no word about them ?

176 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:25:00am

Which raises an interesting, if trivial, question. Do comments in the lounge count towards the comments total in the left sidebar ?

177 littleoldlady  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:26:28am

Mikey,

I doubt it.

178 Sharku  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:28:05am

no, the Lounge is its own little world

179 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:39:44am

Huh. I didn't know that. But then, I don't go in there.

180 Sharku  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:41:08am

MikeC.... we dont bite there, and its nice and slow now

181 Smit  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:43:15am

Morning all, what a slow Friday. {lol}

I entitle this post "and a pony, I want a pony!"

Call for faith-based NHS services

"Male infant circumcision should be available throughout the NHS... Professor Sheikh said.
He also said hospitals needed to accommodate Muslims in other ways.
"Many Muslims, to maintain modesty, prefer to see a same sex clinician. Such choice is typically unavailable despite the higher number of women doctors in the NHS.
"Another important service is to enable Muslims to avoid porcine and alcohol derived drugs."
added Muslims should be given better access to prayer facilities and advice over how they should modify their treatment for chronic conditions during Ramadan.

Notice that for the BBC faith = Islam.

182 Sharku  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:45:11am

#181 Smit 1/12/2007 02:43AM PST

"and take down any crucifixes, or stars of David so that we dont offend any religion...."

183 littleoldlady  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:45:22am

{SMIT!}

184 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:46:00am

# 180 Sharku

I looked in once, on day 2, I think. No thank you.

185 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:49:04am

Oh dear - more "bad" news. We need '3 wood' to comment on this one.

186 Smit  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:49:27am

I'm so out of practise at this commenting malarky I forgot the linky.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

IHTGBTWN

187 littleoldlady  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:50:14am

The lounge moves too fast for us old folks, especially those of us who type with just a couple of digits...

188 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:51:11am

Smit

A contract possibility for London just popped up. I figure it's a long-shot, as I'm sure they would rather have somebody local, but we shall see.

189 Sharku  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:51:34am

I aint no spring chicken... but I hear ya, it takes some getting used to

190 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:55:06am

There was an anti-war demonstration in Lubbock today. About two dozen local moonbats showed up for the MoveOn.org sponsored event at a park that also hosts the local veterans memorial. They waved the usual retread 60s signs at passersby and got (mostly) the one-finger salute in return.

This is quite reminiscent of 1970, and the antiwar movement's massive outburst against the incursions into Cambodia. At that time, too, hinterland hippies and their trend-conscious allies staged demonstrations in many areas that had not seen them before. It really marked the mainstreaming of the anti-war movement, at least according to the standard dogma of the media prophets.

As I have been saying for a couple of days, I think current leftist tactics are consciously following the Cambodian invasion script from 36 years ago and will climax with some kind of attempt to repeat the Kent State drama. The latter was probably the far left's single greatest propaganda coup of the Vietnam war, at a cost of just 4 dead, none of them significant leaders.

Meanwhile, a broader range of Congress-critters have jumped aboard the anti-war bandwagon.
They are betting the ranch that Bush's revamped war plan will fail.
Today, a Rep. Abercrombie (D-Beirut) was raving that the new plan was "dumbest" thing he had ever heard of, or words to that effect. Dennis Kucinich (D-Pluto) and Keith Ellison (AQ-Mecca) have called for immediate unconditional withdrawal of all US forces from Iraq, with Basra apparently to serve as a new Dunkirk. Similar screeds have been heard from Rodent-infested districts all over America.
They know that their 2008 opponents will re-play these reckless pronouncements ad nauseum if the Bush plan actually works. They would look like fools, cowards, and worse in that case; but they are sublimely confident that it won't happen.

There is a lot they don't know about the reasons for Bush's confidence, either because they and their staffs cannot understand the importance of the relevant data or conceivably because a security conscious administration has chosen not to share it.

There are some things very few people know----for now.
Stay tuned.

191 littleoldlady  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:58:32am

Mikey,

China is finished?

IIRC, a high dollar is good.

/my MBA is now officially 25 years old.
//do I have to send it back or do I buy a cake?

192 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:07:14am

littleoldlady

Yep - China is done, at least for the moment. My supposed 6 week contract lasted 12 months, so I've got no beef there. I do need to find some more work, though.

A hig dollar is in some ways good, some ways bad.

193 bp sf  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:13:55am

'mornin all..Happy Friday.

Baa-baa Boxer back to her old shit.

"We were all just shocked. It was pretty sickening," one GOP staffer said. "I guarantee there were Democrats in there thinking, 'Shut the f- - - up. Just shut up. Stop going overboard.' "

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

194 canadianally  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:13:57am

Revolutionary Struggle has claimed responsiblity.

195 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:14:24am
196 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:22:42am

Out on the quivering tip of the limb:

I could still be wrong, but my particular background and recent associations, allied to a confluence of objective evidence, lead me to believe that this war really does have its own analog to the WW2 atomic bomb, a stunning technical surprise that will seem all but miraculous when it does become public knowledge.
There could also be several lesser, but still remarkable and potentially decisive, innovations. It is quite likely that one of them has gone into action during the last few days.

If so, remember that you heard it here first.

197 canadianally  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:25:01am

Revolutionary Struggle:

The group, which espouses communism, has continued its anti-Western stance after the Cold War. November 17 bitterly opposes Greek participation in NATO. It also favors ousting U.S. military bases from Greek territory, severing Greece ’s ties with the European Union, removing the Turkish military presence from Cyprus , and launching an anti-capitalist popular uprising against the Greek middle and upper-classes. In December 2000, after killing a British general, the group released a communiqué defending itself against mounting public criticism by trying to appeal to populist, pro-Serb sentiments and urging Greeks to defy the government’s counterterrorism efforts.

198 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:26:23am

# 196 S K

Source ? Your own ?

199 canadianally  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:26:39am

#196: gee maybe a hint?

/sarc

200 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:29:50am

I consider this a wobbly source, but here it is just in case.

BREAKING NEWS - Top Islamic Iran Strategist Captured in Iraq Raid

Reports from Tehran state that Iran's top IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps) strategist, Hassan Abbasi, was captured in the recent raid on the Islamic Iran's office in Erbil, Iraq.

Referred to inside Islamic Iran as the Regime's version of Kissinger, Abbasi works directly as special advisor for the dead or dying Supreme Ruler in Iran - Ali Khamenei.

201 littleoldlady  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:30:26am

Shiplord,

WHOA.

If that invention is on our side...from your lips to G-d's ears!

202 canadianally  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:32:25am

I predict that tomorrow will be a spectacular day and, I'll wager, an earth-shattering patent will be filed...but the paperwork will be lost and humanity shall suffer.

/sarc

203 SpiritOf1683  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:34:56am

#21 Daisy

But then Thucydides could never have imagined that the day would come when we were so filled with self-loathing thanks to political corectness that we would blame our injuries and deaths upon ourselves rather than those who inflicted it.

204 canadianally  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:35:50am

CBC also was reporting (on TV) that a bomb factory was shut down in a rural community in Ontario. Suspect 19 years old; ethnicity undefined. Police cite him as having superior technical competence.

205 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:36:12am

we just had an earthquake here in Northern California

206 canadianally  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:39:14am

Bloomberg reporting that Australia warns of "imminent" attacks in the Phillipines.

207 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:40:24am

[Link: quake.wr.usgs.gov...] 3.8 magnitude centered just north of us

208 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:40:25am

littleoldlady

What invention ? I didn't see mention of one, nor a link.

209 canadianally  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:41:59am

These warnings come after the 3 bombs in 3 cities in the Phillipines yesterday.

Also, Philippine troops killed a senior al-Qaida-linked militant who allegedly led an urban terror unit of the Muslim extremist group Abu Sayef.

210 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:43:14am

# 207 B C

You must be close if you felt a 3.8.

211 littleoldlady  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:43:20am

The invention that Shiplord was talking about. Akin to the A-bomb in WWII.

a stunning technical surprise

I am prepared to be surprised, as long as it's the other side that's stunned.

Hi B.C.!

212 canadianally  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:45:41am

"Canada has warned the Philippines that terrorists are planning attacks at a regional heads of state summit that is to be held in the island city of Cebu this month.

Saying it has received credible information that terrorists are in the final stages of planning attacks, it has advised against all travel to Cebu and warned Canadians residing in Cebu to exercise increased awareness at all times and avoid public places such as malls, places of worship, restaurants, as much as possible."

[Link: www.asianpacificpost.com...]

213 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:47:52am

# 211 littleoldlady

Consider what a modern equivalent would have to be. Color me sceptical.

214 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:50:29am

Mike C, LoL. Good morning.

yes it was centered about 9 miles from us.
Rattled the house pretty good for about 10 seconds. Enough to wake me up and throw my shoes on.

215 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:51:51am
TOKYO — The dollar rose to a 13-month high versus the yen in Asia Friday amid optimism about U.S. consumption data, helping the economy achieve a soft landing.
The U.S. dollar bought 120.58 yen on the Tokyo foreign exchange market at 3:50 p.m. Thursday, up from 120.44 yen late Thursday in New York.


Mike C.
The dollar bought 100 yens when I was there in 1966.

President Bush has destroyed our economy, The stock market is just like 1929,
Polar bears are freezing to death..and I am so pissed I am going to knock a damn seal in the head.
If I can find one?

216 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:52:34am

# 214 B C

9 miles is damned near on top of it. Not surprised you felt it.

217 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:55:00am

ibm

I think you'll have to fight the polar bears for the seal, but give it a go.

Actually, last time I checked, Fisherman's Wharf in SF was literally overrun with seals.

218 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:55:12am

Well, hello everyone.

I was going to make my bed at about 11:00 pm PST but I was so tired I just kind of lay down on the pile of sheets and bare pillows and fell asleep until now. I was freezing cold and needed to take a pain pill for another, unrelated complaint. So here I am, cup of tea, heat turned on, saying hello.

I knew some Greek America-haters when I lived in Europe, and man, were they the craziest. (Not that all Greek people were like that, but for my money those Greek lefties were the battiest.)

219 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:58:11am

But Mike C.

There is a guiding light to all this,
Osama, Olama, Obama will save the world as we know it..

Democrats will give everybody fresh water,
Take your wealth and share it with me.
Double my social welfare.

And our kids will teach the teachers..

Gwad Bless America, The Democrats have arrived...

220 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:58:19am

From Fox:
North Korea Seeks Giant Rabbits for Meat Production to Alleviate Food Shortage

Jimmy Carter to travel to Pyongyang to confront his nemesis.
'Scuse me, I have to go write a screenplay.

221 nofreelunch  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 1:58:36am

It was likely a Muslim, but he acted alone, so there's no need to suspect that it was an act of terrorism.

/I'm not a journalist, but I could play one on TV

222 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:00:48am

Haha Jim, they'd tear you apart for being "unrealistic."

Commies Eat Harvey

223 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:01:07am

London Mosque DVD: Jews Face Mass Extermination

A leading mosque in London is selling DVDs that proclaim the coming mass extermination of Jews around the world on a "day of judgment." It also attacks Christian groups and the United Nations.


The London Central Mosque, also known as Regent's Park Mosque, is "the spiritual focal point for Muslims" throughout Great Britain, the European Jewish Press reported. It is also home to the Islamic Cultural Center, which educates Muslim children.

The report said that a British television station will air on Monday a documentary on Muslim extremism in Britain, and will report the selling of the DVD.

The DVDs are being sold at the London Central Mosque Shop. One excerpt shows a preacher, Sheikh Feiz, imitating the sounds of a pig and referring to the Jewish people who will be killed on the "day of judgment."

Another preacher, Sheikh Yassin, states that United Nations missionaries and Christians conspired to inject an AIDS virus in inoculations against diseases in Africa.

Faced with charges of selling the DVDs, the manger of the shop at the mosque said there were only 10 DVDs and all of them have been sold. He claimed that the supplier asserted the excerpts were taken out of context.

The television documentary discusses Muslim extremism and the July 2005 attacks on London's transportation system, which killed 52 people.

224 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:06:21am

# 221 nofreelunch

Uh, commies have already claimed credit.

225 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:06:24am

Good morning everyone!

Please stop by this memorial website for one of our fallen Marines.

The family will appreciate your support.

[Link: www.jasonsmemorial.org...]

226 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:08:38am

# 219 ibm

Ah, but will they resolve the issue of disproportionate force in library crimes ? See link in # 169.

227 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:09:20am

An American city in the toilet

The New Orleansians are blaming Bush for all the murders.

Palestine - Hamas
Nagin - New Orleans
Nifong - Raleigh
Marion Barry - Washington D.C.
Kennedy - Massachusetts
? - Robert Byrd

When Democracy Goes Wrong

228 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:10:03am
229 byzantium  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:11:52am

The news was reporting Left-wing terrorists with a tone of incredulousness, like the left and Islamic terrorism were mutually exclusive.

Oh, the moral superiority of the left.

230 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:12:27am

G'day again from Down Under

Bad news from China - not enough girls around there to marry a surplus of men - result of the one child policy

China will have 30 million more men of marriageable age than women by 2020, making it difficult for them to find wives, according to a national report.
The gender imbalance could lead to social instability, the report by the State Population and Family Planning Commission warned.

It found that around 118 boys were born to every 100 girls in 2005.

A traditional preference for boys, in a country with a one-child policy, is the root of the problem, the report says.

Not good news if you're a baby boy now in a poor family in the sticks in China

231 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:17:10am

#225 nosubmission

Damn. Now I'm crying.

232 illegal upchuck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:17:20am

According to the 0530 news today, they found the launch tube for an 'anti-tank weapon' in a construction site across the street from the embassy. No injuries, little damage.

Damn Lutherans.

233 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:23:27am
"We don't shoot at people at the library. The guards are there for our safety. What I would have preferred happen is that he just take her license plate number and then pursue it if we wanted to."


Mike,
He didn't have a pencil.

Bwhahahahah

234 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:24:21am

230 aussiemagpie- a new business plan: Mail order Filipina brides for Chinese peasants.

235 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:24:32am

BabbaZee

Needless to say, Bush is betting the ranch on his surge strategy, just as the lefties are betting their political futures against it. He doesn't have a lot of time for it to succeed either.
He is either wildly reckless or he has something up his sleeve, several cards in fact. I am betting on the latter but I don't have as much to lose as he does.

236 bp sf  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:24:37am

Nice work if you can get it.

Cops' Muslim liaison

The NYPD has hired a native of Sierra Leone as the department's first liaison with new and growing immigrant communities, including Muslims.

Siddique Wai will earn $90,000 a year in the civilian job.

237 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:25:07am

# 232 i u

Sigh. Commies already claimed credit.

238 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:26:48am

230 aussiemagpie- better yet, some nice girls from Berkeley who need a soul mate.

239 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:28:18am

#235 Shiplord Kirel

Oh captain my captain, I pray you are right.
I used to be sure that was the case. Since 2004
I have no clue anymore what's up anyone's sleeve.... except hot armpit air

I didn't post the video because I necessarily believe the postulation. On the other hand I do not necessarily disbelieve ELEMENTS of it.
I just found it interesting that CNN ran the piece at all.

240 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:28:28am

Mike C: it was Muslims. It had to be Muslims. You're just sticking your head in the sand. PANIC! DEFEAT!

241 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:28:58am

#230 aussie

Worse still to be a young woman in that country. The rapes, bride-abductions, and other acts of violence against women by frustrated young males has already begun in some places, and will be a widespread plague for generations. Look for more aggressive militarism, too, as Chinese authorities try to figure out what to do with tens of millions of unmarriageable males. A lot of them will probably wind up in your country and mine (U.S.); unofficial talk is that China will try to export as many of them as possible for education as a temporary safety valve.

And that 118-100 is a Chinese figure. In reality it is certainly worse. I just returned from a 3-week trip to China, and the absence of baby girls was striking, especially outside the big cities.

242 windybon  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:29:20am

225 NoSubmission -

Thanks so much for posting that site. Words cannot express how I feel about people such as Cpl Dunham.

243 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:29:54am

231 squarepeg


#225 nosubmission

Damn. Now I'm crying.

So am I.

244 galloping granny  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:30:53am

Fox just said that the embassy attack is terrorism....

245 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:31:22am

#242 windybon

225 NoSubmission -

Thanks so much for posting that site. Words cannot express how I feel about people such as Cpl Dunham.

They wrote me back after I signed the guestbook. This family has a huge heart and I am feeling for them so deeply right now.

246 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:32:02am

....why did we think it was not terrorism?
And what of the Iranian embassy raid, any new confirmations of that?

247 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:33:05am

# 240 JiV

Indeed.

248 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:33:16am

Angry young Chinese men will take over California.

No girley men will rule..

249 storagemanager  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:33:48am

morning gang

250 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:34:22am

#234 Jim in Virginia

Great idea - now there's a business opportunity for someone!

251 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:35:24am

# 244 g g

Of course it was. But apparently not the islamist variety. We do have other terrorists, you know. Witness the Madrid airport incident last week.

252 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:35:51am
#244 galloping granny 1/12/2007 04:30AM PST

Fox just said that the embassy attack is terrorism....


Fox isnt al-Reuters. Its also an act of war. Hopefully we will treat it as such.

253 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:36:25am

Iraqi officials say multinational forces detained Iranian staffers from Tehran's consulate

254 storagemanager  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:37:27am
#252 Elric66 1/12/2007 04:35AM PST

#244 galloping granny 1/12/2007 04:30AM PST
Fox just said that the embassy attack is terrorism....


Fox isnt al-Reuters. Its also an act of war. Hopefully we will treat it as such

241 marines killed in 83...would probley say we won't.

255 galloping granny  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:37:50am
#246 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 04:32AM PST

....why did we think it was not terrorism?
And what of the Iranian embassy raid, any new confirmations of that?

Yeah, Babba - we got a big fish, someone described as the Iranian Kissinger - looking for linky for ya..

256 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:37:55am

BTW, the PRC has rescinded that one child policy for certain parts of China. Mostly rural areas. Between the artificially low birth rate and migration to the cities, the areas were being depopulated.

257 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:37:55am

#248 ibmkeyboard

Angry young Chinese men will take over California.

No girley men will rule..

Hey, bring 'em on. Maybe they'll finally get up on their hind legs about reverse discrimination that keeps them out of American universities. And maybe they'll breathe a little American freedom and get some new ideas about the Motherland.

"Too much yellow in that crowd. Darken it up a little." -- open-minded liberal combatting racism in campus enrollment

258 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:38:22am

Good Morning all!

I don't mean to take something to task before my coffee but this struck me a bit...

I am betting on the latter but I don't have as much to lose as he does.

I'd say you have more to lose, much more.

Anyhow, get rid of the Leftists and we can start getting some governing done around here.

259 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:39:57am

#252 Elric66
FOX spends 25 minutes talking about Britney Spears and Angelina Jolie and 13 seconds talking about Somalia.

Most of the time I see them selling their books.

The Brit Hume show I can watch, everything else is babbling petty garbage.

FAUX news is no better than the other channels. It was at first, but is sure is not now,and has not been since 2005, IMO

260 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:40:29am

Thanks Granny

261 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:41:45am

Good Morning to all who are here, BTW

262 galloping granny  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:41:58am
#251 Mike C. 1/12/2007 04:35AM PST

# 244 g g

Of course it was. But apparently not the islamist variety. We do have other terrorists, you know. Witness the Madrid airport incident last week.

I am ashamed to admit it Mike C., but I spent all of last week sitting in front of the GameCube. Quitting smoking, keeps the hands busy..... I have no clue what happened last week. :(

I do recall, though, that we have terrorists of stripes other than islamic and have for many a decade.

263 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:42:10am
#254 storagemanager 1/12/2007 04:37AM PST

#252 Elric66 1/12/2007 04:35AM PST
#244 galloping granny 1/12/2007 04:30AM PST
Fox just said that the embassy attack is terrorism....


Fox isnt al-Reuters. Its also an act of war. Hopefully we will treat it as such

241 marines killed in 83...would probley say we won't.


And Reagan was president back then. Yeah, we wont

264 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:42:46am

#259 Babba

I just gave up on t.v. altogether a couple of years ago. No cable, no sat, and no VHS antenna.

Every now and then I see Fox at the gym. Practically no difference between it and the others -- a sugar-coated breakfast cereal of a news station.

265 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:43:19am
#259 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 04:39AM PST

#252 Elric66
FOX spends 25 minutes talking about Britney Spears and Angelina Jolie and 13 seconds talking about Somalia.

Most of the time I see them selling their books.

The Brit Hume show I can watch, everything else is babbling petty garbage.

FAUX news is no better than the other channels. It was at first, but is sure is not now,and has not been since 2005, IMO


It has gone down hill. Its still better then the others but its standards have slipped big time.

266 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:44:00am

One thing with potential about FoxNews is O'reilly has Laura Ingraham on regularily either as substitute host or commentator and I also occasionally hear of Prager being on.

Not for me but for the 50 Million FoxNews viewers... More Prager, less O'Reilly.

267 galloping granny  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:44:05am
#259 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 04:39AM PST

#252 Elric66
FOX spends 25 minutes talking about Britney Spears and Angelina Jolie and 13 seconds talking about Somalia.

Most of the time I see them selling their books.

The Brit Hume show I can watch, everything else is babbling petty garbage.

FAUX news is no better than the other channels. It was at first, but is sure is not now,and has not been since 2005, IMO

I have to agree with you Babba. Don't watch TV news much anymore, only turned it on this AM to hear what was being reported on the embassy attack.

268 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:45:09am
#266 right wing zephyr 1/12/2007 04:44AM PST

One thing with potential about FoxNews is O'reilly has Laura Ingraham on regularily either as substitute host or commentator and I also occasionally hear of Prager being on.

Not for me but for the 50 Million FoxNews viewers... More Prager, less O'Reilly.


I havent seen Bill in awhile. I heard he has gone soft on his guests.

269 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:45:15am

GG

I can't watch it, Mr. Babba watches in the AM
and I the most I see of it is when I pass through the room bitching and sneering at the screen, LOL

270 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:45:30am

262 g g

Here's Spiny Norman's link from # 152. Given the past history of anti-US/anti-western commie terrorism in Greece, I'm rather surprised anybody wouldn't automatically suspect this sort of group to be the most likely suspects in the first place.

271 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:46:12am

#241 squarepeg

unofficial talk is that China will try to export as many of them as possible for education as a temporary safety valve.

This would only help a fraction of those millions of blokes - there's always room for another few million in the military I suppose

Thanks for pointing out the disastrous results for women

I wonder if the social engineers who thought up the one child policy worried about the long term consequences

272 Geepers  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:46:42am

If Bush doesn't start carpet bombing Athens within the hour we need to start impeachment proceedings.

273 yehoshua  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:46:57am

Peggy Noonan, President Reagan's speech writer, has jumped to the other side, bashing Bush without reservation.

274 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:48:01am

BRITAIN'S NEW PREACHERS OF HATE
By Bobby Pathak
IN a dilapidated mosque, half a dozen awestruck young men listen to a preacher spell out his vision for Britain.

"King, Queen, House of Commons... if you accept it, you are a part of it," says Dr Ijaz Mian. "If you don't accept it, you have to dismantle it.

"So you being a Muslim, you have to fix a target. There will be no House of Commons. From that White House to this Black House, we know we have to dismantle it.


"Muslims must grow in strength... then take over."

[Link: www.mirror.co.uk...]

Wow, they are preaching what I accuse them of wanting to do.

275 storagemanager  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:48:19am

yes..by all means it couldnt have been Iran...I mean they never use terrorist words or deeds...go back to sleep now...rest.

276 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:48:36am

I'd love to see Fox sidelined by a new, conservative news power. Let them join the alphabets with overpaid twinkies and reputations in tatters.

277 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:48:52am

If Prager was on, and I knew it I would watch him.

O'Reilly is a smarmy self worshiping blowhard who is also constantly selling his own crap.

He's what I call a member of the

I ME MINE

tribe

278 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:49:25am
279 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:49:35am

Muslims want an Islamic NHS

January 12, 2007

COMMENT ON THIS STORY

MUSLIMS should get special treatment within the NHS, a top medic claimed last night.

Prof Aziz Sheikh called for “faith-based health services”. He wants same-sex doctors, information to ensure treatments do not contain alcohol or pork, extra prayer rooms and circumcision for baby boys on the NHS.


[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]


More from the United Caliphate

280 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:50:33am

#264 squarepeg

If it weren't for him I would cancel the cable TV altogether

I'm with you
I never watch any of it
and when I do
I get PISSED.

281 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:52:36am

#273 yehoshua
Seems she is also advocating for the ISG in that article, which basically says "feed Israel to the wolves".
Thanks Peggy.

282 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:53:15am

#256 Mike C

Hi and thanks for that info

283 storagemanager  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:53:20am
Iran has a strong and effective government and powerful armed forces," boasted the official, warning that the language of force has no impact on the Iranian government.

Zolqadr added Iran is steered by a firm, brave, and popular Leader who is well aware of the enemies' plots.

Recalling the recent remarks of US President George Bush on Iraq, the security deputy concluded that Washington has admitted its failure in Iraq.

Bush Wednesday ordered more than 20,000 more troops into Iraq, as he admitted to mistakes there.

"I have committed more than 20,000 additional American troops to Iraq," Bush said in the address live from the White House on a war which has killed more than 3,000 US troops so far.


[Link: www.irna.ir...]

284 storagemanager  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:54:37am
Iran Condemns Bush's Iraq Strategy
TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Seyed Mohammad Ali Hosseini here on Thursday condemned the new strategy of the US President George W. Bush for Iraq, describing it as a further effort by the US to continue occupation of that country

[Link: www.farsnews.com...]

285 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:54:38am

259 BabbaZee

FOX had the rosie v. donald crap on all night.

Why?


Be back later,.,..

286 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:54:45am

The Anti-Profiling Agenda
By Robert Spencer
FrontPageMagazine.com | January 12, 2007

Representative Keith Ellison (D-MN) has been named to the House Judiciary Committee. Ellison said in a statement: “I look forward to pursuing a progressive agenda in the committee, including the restoration of American citizen’s civil liberties that have come under increasing attack over the past six years.”

The American citizens Ellison, the nation’s first Muslim congressman, has in mind are likely Muslims who charge that they have been subjected to unjust scrutiny and inconvenience in the aftermath of 9/11. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) shares this view: she has announced her intention to “correct the Patriot Act,” and wants to criminalize scrutiny of Muslims at airports and elsewhere: “Since September 11, many Muslim Americans have been subjected to searches at airports and other locations based upon their religion and national origin. We must make it illegal.” Helping make it illegal with Ellison on the House Judiciary Committee will be John Conyers (D-MI), the new chairman of that committee. “The policies of the Bush administration,” he has declared, “have sent a wave of fear through our immigrant communities and targeted our Arab and Muslim neighbors.”


[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]


And so it begins

287 idigscotch&scotchburiesme  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:54:45am

#259 BabbaZee
{Hottentot}
Great, there goes one of the only voices of reason. I agree about Brit but have you noticed how he has dropped "Clear, balanced and un-afraid."?

288 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:55:56am

#273 ye

Has Satan taken possession of Peggy's keyboard?

The ISG report a bipartisan liferaft?

Diane Feinstein "disappointed." Oh my. I heard a clip from Feinstein's Larry King interview and the woman had all the depth of a pile of bellybutton lint.

Screw this.

289 galloping granny  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:56:05am
#269 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 04:45AM PST

GG

I can't watch it, Mr. Babba watches in the AM
and I the most I see of it is when I pass through the room bitching and sneering at the screen, LOL

Well, yes ..... Fox & Friends is the biggest collection of complete air-heads that I have ever seen anywhere at anytime. O'Reilly is a complete ass, not to mention the changes since Steve Centani & his cameraman converted to islam.... Neil Cavuto is still OK, but the rest ... pffft. Truthfully, the last time there was something "big" and "must watch" on, I changed the channel to CNN. That was the Summer War... Fox was so anti-Israel it was painful, not to mention the little creep deliberately showing targeting info.

290 yehoshua  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:56:06am

#281 Babba Zee

In a column a few years ago, Noonan let slip her opinion that Israel was the source of all trouble in the Middle East. No wonder she finds common ground with James Baker and his ISG friends.

291 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:56:18am
FOX had the rosie v. donald crap on all night.

What's this all about?

Did someone get a pimple?

292 MW  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:56:42am

I have not had time to read all the comments in this thread, but please let me remind one and all that, though we are all familiar with various Muslim terrorist groups, the attack early this morning was probably committed by one of the tiny Greek domestic communist or anarchist groups. The reason these guys are so hard to track down is that they are tiny in number--just four or five individuals in a given group, many times.

I am writing from Greece now, and I can assure you guys that the great and overwhelming majority of Greeks detest this sort of thing. They are decent people and worthy of our friendship.

293 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:57:40am

Good Morning Everyone!

Ehud Korruption Olmert

How much longer will he be Prime Minister?

294 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:57:51am

I hope fox plays the Dunham slide show - this is a must. I will show my children.

http://www.jasonsmemorial.org/about.html

Then click slide show with sound.

295 storagemanager  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:58:04am
Negroponte : Hizb'Allah is a Growing Danger to U.S.
Believe it or not, our politicians really do need experts to tell them these things. Via the AP:

WASHINGTON - Al-Qaida poses the gravest terrorist threat to the United States, and an emboldened Hezbollah is a growing danger, the U.S. intelligence chief said Thursday.

In his annual review of global threats, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte highlighted an increasingly worrisome assessment of Hezbollah — backed by Iran and Syria — since its 34-day war with Israel last year.

“As a result of last summer’s hostilities, Hezbollah’s self-confidence and hostility toward the United States as a supporter of Israel could cause the group to increase its contingency planning against United States interests,” Negroponte told the Senate Intelligence Committee

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

296 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:58:08am

#287 idigscotch&scotchburiesme

{King Rooten Tooten}

Has he really? No I haven't seen it recently and when I did last it had already begun and I didn't notice.

hmm!

IMO there is zero reason to believe anything on that hypno-box from Stan full of the the babblings of the language of deception.

SHOOT YOUR TV!

297 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:59:16am

#290 yehoshua
Well, there you have it. Can't say I am surprised.

298 DistantThunder  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:59:28am

The embassy was obviously attacked by Jamacain bobsleders with a vendetta against the cleaning woman at the embassy- C'mon.

299 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:59:49am

Noonan is a speech and opinion writer who thinks she framed policy.

I sure wish people like her whom I used to enjoy reading would stop selling out Israel. But in the end, Israel get's it all... whether we like it or not.

300 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 2:59:51am

# 282 aussiemagpie

Yo.

# 292 MW

Yup.

301 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:00:02am

#273, yehoshua

Peggy Noonan, President Reagan's speech writer, has jumped to the other side, bashing Bush without reservation.

Sorry, I didn't read it that way. She said he gave a bad speech, and that she disagrees with the Administration's categorical rejection of the Iraq Study Surrender Group ideas. Policy disagreeement, not ad hominem.

"Bashing Bush without reservation" it is not. But keep in mind, despite her crafting wonderful words for President Reagan, she once also worked for Dan Rather.

302 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:01:40am

#289 galloping granny

That was that friggin' alien-eyed Shephard Smith if I am remembering right.

/GO TO SLEEP, AMERICAN POPULATION, GO TO SLEEP. NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG.

303 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:01:43am
#293 Carl in Jerusalem 1/12/2007 04:57AM PST

Good Morning Everyone!

Ehud Korruption Olmert

How much longer will he be Prime Minister?

Hopefully not long.

304 humanity  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:01:49am
#31 Throbert McGee 1/11/2007 09:27PM PST

(Took me several tries to remember what my LGF password is!)

#29 Throbert McGee 1/11/2007 09:26PM PST


At this early stage, you can't rule out secular Greek lefti... oh, wait, I see that Beagle (#12) has already beaten me to it. And Patrick (#11) too. Well, ditto -- could be Muslims, could be left-wing radicals.

thats 1 minute ... **Kicher

305 storagemanager  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:02:15am

286 Elric66 1/12/2007 04:54AM PST .....It began in 1979...Islam awoke and made its way to America.

306 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:03:10am

#285 NoSubmission 1/12/2007 04:54AM PST


259 BabbaZee

FOX had the rosie v. donald crap on all night.

Why?

GO TO SLEEP
GO TO SLEEP
TICK TOCK

307 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:03:43am
#305 storagemanager 1/12/2007 05:02AM PST

286 Elric66 1/12/2007 04:54AM PST .....It began in 1979...Islam awoke and made its way to America.

I agree. I meant the Dems agenda of making us less safe now they took back Congress.

308 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:03:49am

With all due respect for her stance against CAIR, Barbara Boxer is still an obnoxious witch.

309 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:03:58am

#286 elric

I'm wondering, is this what Democrats wanted? Some people who vote Dem simply have BSD or were anti-war, but do they actually prefer this kind of crap in overwhelming numbers?

With any luck the Senate will stop it. If not --

Veto - veto - veto

310 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:04:06am

Morning Carl
did you see that Olmert went to China the other day?
WTF was that all about?

311 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:05:36am
#309 squarepeg 1/12/2007 05:03AM PST

#286 elric

I'm wondering, is this what Democrats wanted? Some people who vote Dem simply have BSD or were anti-war, but do they actually prefer this kind of crap in overwhelming numbers?

With any luck the Senate will stop it. If not --

Veto - veto - veto


Bush has the veto and nothing to lose. I hope he decides to go out fighting. Thats why I relected him, to make us safe.

312 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:05:44am

# 304

?

313 EtNorskTroll  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:06:43am

Cursed Amish!

You just know that they were behind this....

Typical M.O., isn't it?

Sitting there in the country, quitely growing crops until one day "BAM!", they go to Greece and blow up one of our embassies.

You could see this one from space, you could...

/do I really hafta?

~Norsk Troll

314 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:07:08am
310 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 05:04AM PST

Morning Carl
did you see that Olmert went to China the other day?
WTF was that all about?

I wonder if it's to ask Beijing's permission to flatten Tehran.

315 storagemanager  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:07:15am
Bosnia: Four Islamists Jailed For Terrorist Plot
The trial in Sarajevo, Bosnia, of four Muslims came to an end yesterday, states AKI, with the four defendants all found guilty, and subjected to jail terms.

The convicted men included two with foreign passports - a 20-year old Swede of Bosnian parentage named Mirsad Bektasevic (pictured), and Cesur Abdulkadir, a Turkish man who has a Daniish passport. The pair had arrived in Bosnia three weeks before their arrest on October 23, 2005.

When the pair were arrested, they were living in Ilidza, a suburb of Sarajevo. Their arrest had come after a surveillance operation which had also involved 10 people when it began. The arrest had uncovered not only the videotape, but also suicide vests, about 30 kilograms, or 65 pounds, of high explosive, as well as exploding bullets and a machine pistol.


TO BAD CLINTON WASNT ABLE TO HELP THEM! [Link: www.westernresistance.com...]

316 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:07:38am

Video: Bombshell charge — “There are Klingons in the White House”


[Link: hotair.com...]


Serious :-)

317 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:08:09am

#314 right wing zephyr
China and Iran do mondo business together ...
it could be

318 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:09:20am
#317 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 05:08AM PST

#314 right wing zephyr
China and Iran do mondo business together ...
it could be


Could be but Olmert doesnt need to ask anyone to protect Israel from Iranian nukes.

319 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:10:12am

316 Elric66 1/12/2007 05:07AM PST

Video: Bombshell charge — “There are Klingons in the White House”

OH GTFOH!

320 xtraBilly  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:10:26am

Thought Kin Jong reminded me of someone.
Be vevwy, vervwy quiet I'm hunting wabbits.

321 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:11:42am
#319 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 05:10AM PST

316 Elric66 1/12/2007 05:07AM PST

Video: Bombshell charge — “There are Klingons in the White House”

OH GTFOH!


Thought you would like that. sad thing, I wish we did have Klingons in the White House. They never take shit from anyone.

322 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:11:50am

I hope Rush does a number on Peggy Noonan today. Other conservative commentators will be piling on soon.

323 mama winger  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:12:24am

Sometimes I live in the country....
Sometimes I live in town .....
Sometimes I take a great notion
To jump in the river and drown.

Good morning LGF friends. I'm off to work and have had this song running in my head all morning. Hopefully if I post it here it will go away.

Have a great day! Buh-bye

324 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:12:24am

Navy dismisses chaplain
who prayed 'in Jesus' name'
'We are homeless, jobless,
and we are in God's hands'

-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------Posted: January 12, 2007--------

1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Bob Unruh
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Lt. Gordon James Klingenschmitt

A U.S. Navy chaplain who prayed "in Jesus' name" as his conscience dictated is being ejected from the military service "in retaliation" for his victorious battle to change Navy policy that required religious rites be "non-sectarian."

"This fight cost me everything. My career is over, my family is now homeless, we've lost a million dollar pension, but Congress agreed with me and rescinded the Navy policy, so chaplains are free again to pray in Jesus' name," Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt told WND. "My sacrifice purchased their freedom. My conscience is clear, the fight was worth it, and I'd do it all again."


[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]


Sad

325 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:12:26am

NDU computers hacked

Computers and information networks at the National Defense University (NDU), the Joint Chiefs military education school at Fort McNair in Washington, were hacked and damaged by unknown attackers, defense officials said.
The attacks, described by officials only as "malicious activity," caused the university to shut down all its network servers and replace laptop computers after the activity was detected last month. The costs were high, officials said.
Officials close to the situation said the computer intrusions were identified during routine maintenance and led to suspicions that the hackers had planted clandestine "trap doors" into the system that would allow them future access, or would facilitate computer attacks.
...
Officials would not say where the attacks originated, but the shutdown of the entire computer network at NDU lasted from Dec. 18 until earlier this week. Official suspicions are focused on Chinese hackers, based on similar attacks on Pentagon and military computer networks.
Chinese-origin computer attacks, most likely government-sponsored action by hackers, crippled information systems at the Naval War College in Rhode Island in November and forced a similar collegewide shutdown.
Chinese hackers also were involved in the electronic theft in 2005 of hundreds of evaluation reports on Air Force officers, ranging from generals to captains. The information in the reports would be valuable to Chinese intelligence for its targeted agent recruitment efforts.
326 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:13:40am

#290, yehoshua

In a column a few years ago, Noonan let slip her opinion that Israel was the source of all trouble in the Middle East.

Cite?

327 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:13:40am
Could be but Olmert doesnt need to ask anyone to protect Israel from Iranian nukes.

Of course not. And I agree with you. Just wondering why and Olmert is no Lion for Judah, he just might be a snake.

Anyhow. It could be some geopolitcal deal-making ahead of warfare...

328 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:14:05am

Carter, Clinton Join to Reshape Baptist Image


By Lillian Kwon
Christian Post Reporter
Tue, Jan. 09 2007 03:17 PM ET[-] Text [+] E-Mail Print RSS Subscribe to Newsletter More on Topic Former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are part of an initiative to create a new Baptist voice and improve the negative image of Baptists in North America.


[Link: www.christianpost.com...]


There are 2 good spokemans for Baptists.

329 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:14:13am

Elric ~

I am the last person to support diplo-babbling whoredoms of doom but if you are theoretically about about to flatten Tehran it is a good idea to brief the people who could flatten you in return before doing so. We do not live in total isolation.
There are other mega-powers on this planet with the capability of destroying us utterly beside Iran.

330 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:14:55am

#316 Elric

Your tax dollars at play.

331 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:17:01am
#327 right wing zephyr 1/12/2007 05:13AM PST

Could be but Olmert doesnt need to ask anyone to protect Israel from Iranian nukes.
Of course not. And I agree with you. Just wondering why and Olmert is no Lion for Judah, he just might be a snake.

Anyhow. It could be some geopolitcal deal-making ahead of warfare...

Ommert is a snake, through and through. China cant even stop NK from making nukes, I dont see China stopping Iran either even if they wanted to. Hard to deter someone that doesnt fear death.

332 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:17:30am

Of course, Jenin and Baghdad are linked
By Caroline B. Glick

Most Americans do not think that the war being fought against Israel is linked to the war in Iraq. Both the Bush administration's efforts to limit IDF operations against the Palestinians and Hizbullah and the US media's generally hostile portrayal of the war against Israel lead most Americans to share the Israeli view that the wars our nations fight are separate, distinct ones. And so, as far as most Israelis and Americans are concerned, Americans have nothing to learn from Israel's war and Israelis have nothing to learn from their war.

But the truth is far different. Indirectly, US President George W. Bush's address Wednesday night on the new direction the war in Iraq will soon take was a testament to this truth.

Although expected to announce a radical change in his administration's strategy in Iraq, in Wednesday's speech Bush did no such thing. In essence the President restated his long held view that victory in Iraq will come with the stabilization of a unified, democratic Iraqi regime and the parallel defeat of both the Sunni and Shiite insurgencies. Conversely, the enemy forces, operating under Syrian and Iranian sponsorship, fight precisely to prevent the stabilization of the regime and undermine the unity of the multi-ethnic, multi-religious Republic of Iraq.

Bush's plan to implement a "surge and hold" strategy for taking and maintaining control over Baghdad and the al-Qaida infested Anbar Province is based on a new realization that establishing and maintaining a modicum of security for the country's citizens is a precondition for any subsequent moves towards stabilizing Iraq politically.

[SNIP]

333 uptight  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:18:35am

Greek lefties.

The worst.

334 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:19:12am

China is a sleeping giant who has been building up their military capability for YEARS

NK is a convenient proxy thorn in the side of the west for them. They could take them out any time they wanted.

never underestimate China.

335 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:19:50am
#329 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 05:14AM PST

Elric ~

I am the last person to support diplo-babbling whoredoms of doom but if you are theoretically about about to flatten Tehran it is a good idea to brief the people who could flatten you in return before doing so. We do not live in total isolation.
There are other mega-powers on this planet with the capability of destroying us utterly beside Iran.


I dont even think Olmert will strike at Iran first so I doubt thats what it was about.

336 ellem  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:20:53am

AP -- Athens, Blast cause by Tofu salad.

337 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:22:00am
#334 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 05:19AM PST

China is a sleeping giant who has been building up their military capability for YEARS

NK is a convenient proxy thorn in the side of the west for them. They could take them out any time they wanted.

never underestimate China.


I never underestimated them. But I dont think they can deter Iran even if they wanted to. NK they might be able to if the West had the nerve to say if they allow NK to get nukes, we will arm SK and Japan with nukes.

338 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:22:31am

Fair enough.

I was just wondering.

339 storagemanager  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:22:41am
The ministry of Islamic culture and guidance to make a film about Hugo Chavez!
Iran Press News: The regime-run site Asr’eh Iran reported: Mohammad Reza Akbary, director of the film "Hugo Chavez" who a while back had traveled to Venezuela for shooting this film, penned a letter to both the president of Iran and the president of Venezuela in order to communicate the various problems that occurred

.
[Link: www.iranpressnews.com...]

340 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:23:31am

Babbazeeba! I got a music request for you...

341 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:23:59am

Olmert would not have been asking them to deter Iran or anyone

Olmert would have been offering alternate business plans to them to replace Iran's role if that's what the meeting was all about

as I said China and Iran do a shit load of business together and MONEY is the reigning GOD of this world.....

342 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:24:20am

PK - shoot pappy

343 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:25:35am

#337 elric

NK they might be able to if the West had the nerve to say if they allow NK to get nukes, we will arm SK and Japan with nukes.

But as the originators of the "paper tiger" characterization of America, they know we won't.

345 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:27:49am

KT TUnstall : Suddenly I see

and dedicated to all the blog divas here and most especially you.

346 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:28:49am
#341 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 05:23AM PST

Olmert would not have been asking them to deter Iran or anyone

Olmert would have been offering alternate business plans to them to replace Iran's role if that's what the meeting was all about

as I said China and Iran do a shit load of business together and MONEY is the reigning GOD of this world.....


Money is a big god in the world I agree. Honestly though, I dont know if money and business is enough to deter Imadinnerjacket. He could be a hypocrite and will perfer big bucks to paving the way for the Mahdi.

347 xtraBilly  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:29:21am

The who and how should be interesting..

Bloggers OK’d To Cover Trial Of Cheney Aide

Scooter Libby case first high-profile trial to grant equal access to bloggers

BY REUTERS

348 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:29:26am

#339 storemanager

hahahaha! Poor unappreciated artiste!

Now civilization will just have to collapse as he stands in the ruins clutching his film cans and screaming "I told you so!"

349 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:30:32am

#345 Peacekeeper

First time I have ever heard this.....

350 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:31:14am
#343 squarepeg 1/12/2007 05:25AM PST

#337 elric

NK they might be able to if the West had the nerve to say if they allow NK to get nukes, we will arm SK and Japan with nukes.

But as the originators of the "paper tiger" characterization of America, they know we won't

.

Of course we wont. It would make too much sense.

351 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:31:39am

Money, Fame and Power- the unholy trinity.

352 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:32:54am

{Babbazeeba}

353 TMF  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:33:20am

Greece has a long history of far left terrorism just like Italy and many other european countries.

My bet is against the jihadis.

When they blow shit up they ususally try to kill lots of people

The lefties just like to blow a little load (usually after warning the target) and then giggle like the schoolgirls they are in their little marxist meetings

354 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:33:34am

#346 Elric66

OK.... I don;t think you are understanding this

He didn't go to China to offer money to dinner jacket or Iran

Iran can not be bought off you are right

IF he was there to ask blessing for action against Iran (which I hope would be true but I doubt it is true)
he would only be offering alternatives to China to what Iran provides to China, remember he met with Saudi officials a few weeks ago.....

355 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:34:00am

{PeaceKeepification}

356 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:34:21am

Muslim Malaysia faces crucial test on religious freedom

Thu Jan 11, 10:52 AM ET


KUALA LUMPUR (AFP) - Malaysia's status as a moderate Muslim country is being put to the test in a milestone court decision that may allow Muslims to renounce their faith, a move considered one of Islam's greatest sins.



The nation's highest court is to rule on an appeal by Lina Joy, a convert from Islam to Christianity who for a decade has been locked in a battle with the government to have her decision legally recognised.

The appeal brings to a head passionate arguments about whether Muslims can renounce Islam at will and, ultimately, whether Malaysia is a secular country or is morphing into a conservative Islamic state under religious Sharia law.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Which way will they go?

357 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:37:01am

Good Morning Y'all, from a cloudy and coolish day (39 degrees, going up to 59)in Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

358 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:37:33am

Stem-Cell Deception

Krauthammer is a treasure.

359 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:38:03am

dealing with Iran geopolitically could entail an astounding amount of acqueisence on the part of Israel and the US. China would need a face-to-face sit down, IMHO because of the Billions of bucks and the reality that Iran is teaching China how to fight US military. so they're very useful to China. If something big needed to happen, then I assume(bad idea, I know) that a soon-to-be gone high-ranking political leader should go to China and explain things.

That Olmert blasted the news agencies with this ahead of time, only means to me that his agenda was intended to show off his 'sacrifical lamb' status. This, in order to get what they want from China, give something to China and get want they want from the Shiites is a tough game and Olmert is not up to the task. But, they sent him. So that's why I suggested, ask.

And not just China but also Mog and a number of other enemies.

360 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:39:47am
361 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:40:39am

#359 right wing zephyr
As it was written so it will be done.

362 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:41:08am

Morning realwest,

Looks like similar weather as up here. Expecting rain later. How are things down you way?

Busy day ahead myself. The meetings never end. But at least they're catered and tomorrow is Saturday. I'll have my football picks tonight or tomorrow morning.

363 traveler  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:41:32am

Morning, everybody!

I'm craving pizza for breakfast, but I'm out of pesos.....

364 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:41:37am

Pat Buchanan has an interesting take on Bush's speech.

Briefly, he says that card up Bush's sleeve is striking Iran's nukes.

He's been eerily prescient on things lately, like that spy poisoning case.

365 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:44:22am

Pat Buchanan is a Jew hating nut job agent of Stan.


ON JEWS:

Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory."
(St. Louis Post Dispatch, 10/20/90)

During the Gulf crisis: "There are only two groups that are beating
the drums for war in the Middle East -- the Israeli defense ministry and
its 'amen corner' in the United States." ("McLaughlin Group," 8/26/90)

In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and
genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage...Hitler's
success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an
intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness
masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood
in his path." (The Guardian, 1/14/92)

Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the
historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel
exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide
to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90) Buchanan's columns have run in
the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter
and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist
concoction.

Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's Office of
Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war criminals, because it was
"running down 70-year-old camp guards." (New York Times, 4/21/87)

Buchanan was vehement in pushing President Reagan -- despite protests
-- to visit Germany's Bitburg cemetery, where Nazi SS troops were buried.
At a White House meeting, Buchanan reportedly reminded Jewish leaders that
they were "Americans first" -- and repeatedly scrawled the phrase
"Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" in his notebook. Buchanan was
credited with crafting Ronald Reagan's line that the SS troops buried at
Bitburg were "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration
camps." (New York Times, 5/16/85; New Republic, 1/22/96)

After Cardinal O'Connor criticized anti-Semitism during the
controversy over construction of a convent near Auschwitz, Buchanan wrote:
"If U.S. Jewry takes the clucking appeasement of the Catholic cardinalate
as indicative of our submission, it is mistaken. When Cardinal O'Connor of
New York seeks to soothe the always irate Elie Wiesel by reassuring him
'there are many Catholics who are anti-Semitic'...he speaks for himself. Be
not afraid, Your Eminence; just step aside, there are bishops and priests
ready to assume the role of defender of the faith." (New Republic,
10/22/90)

The Buchanan '96 campaign's World Wide Web site included an article
blaming the death of White House aide Vincent Foster on the Israeli
intelligence agency, Mossad -- and alleging that Foster and Hillary
Clinton were Mossad spies. (The campaign removed the article after its
existence was reported by a Jewish on-line news service; Jewish Telegraphic
Agency, 2/21/96.)

In his September 1993 speech to the Christian Coalition, Buchanan
declared: "Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our
religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free." (ADL
Report, 1994)

366 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:44:43am

squarepeg,

little do I care for Buchanon-speak but you may be right on this as well as he.

I think it's 5 minutes to midnight for Tehran.

367 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:45:26am
#360 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 05:39AM PST

Elric:

[Link: [Link: www.jpost.com...]...]
[Link: [Link: www.haaretz.com...]...]
[Link: [Link: www.usatoday.com...]...]


The only excuse I could see Olmert visiting the Saudis is seeing how they would take an Iranian strike since Iran is Shiites and the Sunnis fear a rising Iran. Not that is really matters but nice to know what to expect

368 canadianally  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:45:41am

Israel's FM, Livni, off to Japan also....

369 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:46:41am
#366 right wing zephyr 1/12/2007 05:44AM PST

squarepeg,

little do I care for Buchanon-speak but you may be right on this as well as he.

I think it's 5 minutes to midnight for Tehran.


But who is going to hit them, us or Israel?

370 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:47:01am

#365

Stan sucks and he get's to lose.

371 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:47:12am

#367 Elric66
[sigh] so much to learn, so little time.....


#368 canadianally
Do you have a link?

372 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:48:17am

#370 right wing zephyr
Correct. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

373 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:48:40am
#371 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 05:47AM PST

#367 Elric66
[sigh] so much to learn, so little time.....

Teach me oh wise one. :-)

374 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:49:16am

Elric

I have been trying, believe me, LOL
;~P

375 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:49:35am

#369, I hope we will fight alongside our brothers. I know I will.

But my best guess is Israel is on her own with modicum support via a show of force from the US Navy and the Marines in Iraq.

/I can tell you the Marines really want to run over everything to Tehran, 3 years ago.

376 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:52:33am

#362 JammieWearingFool - Morning back atcha! Yup similar weather today; tomorrow our high is going to be 66 degrees, and five day forecast has us with highs in the 60's!
As for your picks, well at least the Giants can't break our hearts again until next season! I'm looking forward to your prognostications!
Going to get some coffe, BBIAM.

377 TMF  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:52:58am

Jammiewearingfool

What does the Move-on apparatchiks have up their sleeve for '08?

They played the Michael J. Fox card already.

Im thinking a "weekend at bernies" thing with Christopher Reeves, where they trot out his body and have him speak from the grave "If it werent for the GOP Id be alive"?

Definitely alot of kids in cancer wards at the very least.

Obama will save us!

Heaven help us. We're living in a cartoon oprah nightmare

378 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:53:26am
Im thinking a "weekend at bernies" thing with Christopher Reeves, where they trot out his body and have him speak from the grave "If it werent for the GOP Id be alive"?

OH
ROTFF

379 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:53:36am

#369 elric

In Buchanan's view, we deliver the opening salvo, Israel delivers the coup de grace.

380 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:54:09am
#375 right wing zephyr 1/12/2007 05:49AM PST

#369, I hope we will fight alongside our brothers. I know I will.

But my best guess is Israel is on her own with modicum support via a show of force from the US Navy and the Marines in Iraq.

/I can tell you the Marines really want to run over everything to Tehran, 3 years ago.


If Olmert couldnt face Hezbollah, I doubt he can face Iran. Maybe he will be removed before hand.

381 bweep  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:55:35am
Police were today continuing to question eight men over a hammer attack on a 15-year-old boy at his school in Wiltshire yesterday.
Police made the arrests after the white pupil, who suffered head injuries, was attacked by a group of Asian men at Ridgeway school in Wroughton, near Swindon.
382 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:55:36am

Morning Real

383 The Other Les  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:55:37am

# 377 TMF

Heaven help us. We're living in a cartoon oprah nightmare


Basically, we're dealing with a case of mass psychosis.

384 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:56:36am
#379 squarepeg 1/12/2007 05:53AM PST

#369 elric

In Buchanan's view, we deliver the opening salvo, Israel delivers the coup de grace.

Cant stand the guy but I hope he is right on that.

385 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:56:46am

Morning Bweep
So, when are you moving to America?

386 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:58:10am

#381 bweep

I'm surprised the newspaper went as far as to i.d. the victim as "white."

387 TMF  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:58:29am

Screw Obama

Lets just make the Fresh Prince of Bel Air president and get it over with

By the way, where does this nobody first term Senator get off dictating foreign policy?

All of a sudden this tool is the sagest politico since James Madison b/c the media hollywood want Will Smith to be president

388 The Other Les  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:59:24am

# 167 mardukhai

I know quite a bit about the early history of the Greek left, and let me tell you Greek "Liberals" were a bunch of mad dog killers.

Among their crimes was the destruction of an entire city, Salonika in 1916 -- because most of its people were Jews, not Greeks.


So they were National Socialists before Hitler became a National Socialist?

389 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:00:00am

Stressed Missouri housewife finds relief by touching her monkey

[Link: hotair.com...]


Serious :-)

390 hayseed  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:01:42am

Good morning all, from a grey rainy south shore of Ohio. is it me, time seems to fly when you are retired, disabled , nonworker type,.

391 wargammer2005  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:02:04am

#18 soccerdad

i have always said that we should have treated Iraq as we did Japan.

Afganistan was a much more united country than Iraq, but we should have given them their constitution and let them live with it for 10 years or so, then they could go to islamic alw, if the people there could swallow it.

392 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:02:16am

Morning hayseed~

393 galloping granny  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:03:16am
#380 Elric66 1/12/2007 05:54AM PST

#375 right wing zephyr 1/12/2007 05:49AM PST

#369, I hope we will fight alongside our brothers. I know I will.

But my best guess is Israel is on her own with modicum support via a show of force from the US Navy and the Marines in Iraq.

/I can tell you the Marines really want to run over everything to Tehran, 3 years ago.


If Olmert couldnt face Hezbollah, I doubt he can face Iran. Maybe he will be removed before hand.

Olmert during the Summer War was one of the very few times that I can remember when the actions of the HOS of Israel truly matched that oft-charged "US Puppet." It was more than obvious that Condi was delivering the orders and Olmert was dancing to her tune. To the great detriment of both of our countries.


I have to tell you, watching this unfold I have really come to wonder about Sharon's stroke.

394 Egfrow  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:04:11am

Viva la Revolution Capitalists! Bwah Hah Hah!

395 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:04:44am

#393 galloping granny
Oh so I am not the lone nut on the prairie, LOL

396 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:05:06am

Good Morning and Happy Friday to all!

{BabbaZee} ~ from me and Mutt =)

TMF~

Screw Obama - All of a sudden this tool is the sagest politico since James Madison b/c the media hollywood want Will Smith to be president

Exactly - media creation, they see another Bobby Kennedy or somesuch - bleh.

397 Greg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:05:29am

Good morning Lizards and Lizardettes....I see things are starting to get warm in The Med and Persia.....a shot across our bow methinks subcontracted out by the Sons of Zorba for Hez-Ebola or the Iranians. Birds of a feather stick together.

I suspect operations have commenced. Strange explosions in Iran or in the border areas, our capture of Mad Mullah operatives, etc.

Hope it get very overt REAL FAST if Jorge Arbusto is to save any shred of honor left for his Presidency.

398 The Other Les  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:05:38am

# 212 canadianally

"Canada has warned the Philippines that terrorists are planning attacks at a regional heads of state summit that is to be held in the island city of Cebu this month.

Saying it has received credible information that terrorists are in the final stages of planning attacks, it has advised against all travel to Cebu and warned Canadians residing in Cebu to exercise increased awareness at all times and avoid public places such as malls, places of worship, restaurants, as much as possible."


Whoa! Canada has an intelligence service?

Next hing you know we'll find out that Canada has a navy.

399 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:05:53am

♪ Good morning {LGF} ♪

{Babbazee} Hiya, toots.

{realwest} Morning! *smooch*'

{Peace TCG™} It's Friday!

:)

400 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:07:19am
#393 galloping granny 1/12/2007 06:03AM PST

#380 Elric66 1/12/2007 05:54AM PST
#375 right wing zephyr 1/12/2007 05:49AM PST

#369, I hope we will fight alongside our brothers. I know I will.

But my best guess is Israel is on her own with modicum support via a show of force from the US Navy and the Marines in Iraq.

/I can tell you the Marines really want to run over everything to Tehran, 3 years ago.


If Olmert couldnt face Hezbollah, I doubt he can face Iran. Maybe he will be removed before hand.


Olmert during the Summer War was one of the very few times that I can remember when the actions of the HOS of Israel truly matched that oft-charged "US Puppet." It was more than obvious that Condi was delivering the orders and Olmert was dancing to her tune. To the great detriment of both of our countries.


I have to tell you, watching this unfold I have really come to wonder about Sharon's stroke.


We didnt give Israel as much support as we should have. I dont know if it was because Olmert was weak or we were making him appear we.

You think Sharon's stroke wasnt real or unnatural?

401 TotallySirius  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:08:02am
402 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:09:41am
403 galloping granny  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:09:43am
#395 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 06:04AM PST

#393 galloping granny
Oh so I am not the lone nut on the prairie, LOL

No. Did you think you were? Speaking of the Summer War, remember the codex found in the bog opened to Psalm 83 that they then tried to say a couple of days later was not Psalm 83 (the he who blesses Israel) but Psalm 84 (like nobody at a British museum speaks Latin ROFLMAO)?

Well, our copy of a recent Renaissance magazine (scholarly, for re-enactors sort of thing) showed up a couple of days ago. And they have an article on that codex. Which they state was open to Psalm 83. No mention of the Summer War, just "last summer."

404 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:10:23am

Greets and saluts from the damp and dreary NYC metro area. It appears that a far left Greek domestic terrorist group was behind the attack on the US embassy in Athens. Thankfully no one was hurt in the attack.

405 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:11:02am
406 TotallySirius  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:11:42am
407 traveler  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:12:18am

#387 TMF

By the way, where does this nobody first term Senator get off dictating foreign policy?

The media and Oprah-types are fawning over him for the same reason all those lemmings in Hollywood put on the "ribbons" of various colors -- so they can look like they're on top of the next issue du jour.

He's black, so let's make him President!

He's too skinny, IMHO. Hillary could kick his ass while eating a cookie.

408 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:13:38am

#403 galloping granny

Of course I remember that I had a big ol' Jewtian fit over it, LOL.
Interesting about your high brow mag ......

409 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:14:08am

# 404 lawhawk

Ah, the obvious candidate wins ?

410 traveler  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:14:15am

#404 lawhawk

Wow. I was sure it was the work of Asians.

411 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:14:16am

#382 {BabbaZee} - Morning Babba! How are you doing today? What's the weather like up your way?

412 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:14:58am

{Trixelicious!}

413 hayseed  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:16:11am

aint love grand, another wife murdered

414 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:16:16am

#399 {Miss Trixie} Hey there sweetie *smootch* right back at you! How are you today?
You're musical note "good mornings" always put a smile on my face!

415 The Other Les  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:16:21am

# 401 TotallySirius

Joe Biden warns Bush not to use his presidential powers as CinC against Iran.

Hey Joe

Bite me.


Now, can we do the lot of them for treason?

416 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:16:29am

I can't believe me. I got all worked up over something I read online and I fired off the following note to the writer:

Ms. Xxxxx,

What the hell? Your piece in today’s Wall Street Journal, “Democrats’ Litmus: Electability” has the following sentence:

Widespread concerns about whether either could get elected -- Mrs. Clinton because she is a woman, and a polarizing figure; Mr. Obama for being African-American, and relatively inexperienced -- potentially prevent either from running away with the Democratic nomination.

Where, exactly, is this “widespread” doubt about the electability of Clinton and Obama on the basis of her gender and his race? Do polls show widespread American reluctance to elect a woman or a Black person? Or do polls perhaps show that while those polled have no such reluctance, they fear – in a widespread way – that other Americans do? Or is there some other evidence that I’m missing?

If you’re going to make up these assumptions, why not call Ms. Clinton a “lady Senator” and Mr. Obama a “Negro Senator” and take it from there? Or better still, how about if you drop these easy old assumptions and do some hard analytical work?

(back to you) So anyway the writer sent me a reply! And it's sitting in my Inbox, unopened. I just don't want to open the damn thing.

I can't believe me.

417 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:17:51am

Peacekeeper! Greetings!

Babba ~ Alladin! Spooky you, had that playing last weekend!

418 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:18:21am

Real

The steroids sure hid the pain for the last 2 months....I almost forgot what it felt like off them. Well HELLO now I remember, ha ....my left hand is a like deformed useless claw today, other than that I keep on keepin' on.
It is cold and rainy on my mountain.

419 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:19:38am
420 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:21:10am

Well, go squarepeg - good for you!

/Open it already!

421 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:21:54am

#401 TotallySirius - Morning to ya my friend. How are y'all doing today?
Joe Biden is rapidly climbing his way to the top of the heap of Dem's I dislike intensley (though he's not yet in John Fuckin' Murtha's class). Has he initiated
(not sponsored) any worthwhile legislation since he's been a Senator, or is he just like Kerry?
Hey Senator Joe - what are you doing, telling Bush to disobey his obligations under the Constitution?

422 williwonka  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:22:46am

squarepeg 1/12/2007 06:16AM PST

Go ahead, make my day. Open the e-mail.

It will say. "This is an automatic response, to let you know we received your e-mail. Please do not reply to this message."

423 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:24:12am

#409 Mike C. - Morning. How much longer do you get to stay home before heading back to the PRC?

424 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:24:47am
425 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:25:16am

Greetings, greetings, to one and all.

[bows to each and every lizard present]

Are we glad it's Friday? Those who concur, say:

AYE!

426 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:25:31am

#416 squarepeg - Good on Ya! I sure wish you'd open his reply and let us know what he said, though.

427 galloping granny  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:25:41am
#400 Elric66 1/12/2007 06:07AM PST
SNIP

Olmert during the Summer War was one of the very few times that I can remember when the actions of the HOS of Israel truly matched that oft-charged "US Puppet." It was more than obvious that Condi was delivering the orders and Olmert was dancing to her tune. To the great detriment of both of our countries.


I have to tell you, watching this unfold I have really come to wonder about Sharon's stroke.


We didnt give Israel as much support as we should have. I dont know if it was because Olmert was weak or we were making him appear we.

You think Sharon's stroke wasnt real or unnatural?

Elric, it is not a simple matter of "we didn't give Israel as much support" - we pulled the strings in a very obvious way. Through Olmert over the dead bodies of the Israeli military and most of the Israeli public.

RE Sharon - national hero, experience both militarily and politically right back to WWII days, involved in every war Israel has ever fought. Takes nothing from nobody. Never has never will. Suddenly out of the blue disabled by a "stroke" that doesn't kill him but leaves him in what appears to be a permanent coma and then replaced by........

Olmert. A nobody with no experience at much of anything. Not a strategist. Not a military person. Nothing really, except apparently very willing to literally sell Israel down the tubes as fast as he can give it away.

Strokes are funny things. There are a couple of events that are commonly referred to as a stroke, but ending up in a long term coma from either is somewhat unusual. As the recent Pollonium Spy case in Britain demonstrated, political assassination is not dead and gone...

428 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:25:57am

AYE!

429 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:26:10am

# 423 realwest

I'm not headed back to the PRC, or at least not so far as I know. Now I'm just unemployed.

430 soccerdad  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:27:19am

#391 Wargammer

Read that whole article -- it is long -- about 17 pages printed out -- but well worth the time. John Lewis gets it.

431 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:27:22am
432 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:27:25am

Good Morning and Happy Friday!

{Babba} - Sorry to hear you're in pain. :(

433 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:27:29am

In the Indoctrination of Your Children department:

The Road to Damascus: A Whole New Fashion Doll for the Middle East

Now [Fullas are] starting to hit America. Muslim families with relatives back in the Middle East have been receiving them as gifts since the doll rolled out in 2003.

As if competition from BRATZ isn’t enough, Barbie’s international stranglehold is now tottering: Fulla has taken the Middle East like a wind of change. Will she be coming to America next?

“This isn’t just about putting a hijab on a Barbie Doll,” explained Fawaz Abidin, vice president in charge of the Fulla line for the doll’s manufacturer, Syrian company NewBoy Design Studio. There has been a Moroccan Barbie, and veiled dolls like Sara in Iran, and Razanne in Britain, but Fulla is a phenomenon based on a character that “Muslim parents and children will want to relate to. She has Muslim values.”

Although they are expensive for Syrians (a Fulla doll sells for about $16 in a country whose average per capita is around $100 per month) they are flying off the shelves. Couple it with an intense licensing campaign – Fulla backpacks, Fulla bikes, Fulla stationery – and Fulla is the Hello Kitty of Damascas and beyond.

[SNIP]

434 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:27:38am

#418 {BabbaZee} Sorry to hear that. Is there any way you can take a reduced dosage of the steroids that'll take away a lot of the pain without you're getting all swollen? Maybe you need different steroids? Sure hope you get to feeling better soon!

435 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:28:13am

Thanks {lopps}

I am used to it, LOL

436 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:28:28am

#351 Peacekeeper

Good morning.

Money, Fame and Power- the unholy trinity.

Last evening, a fellow Lizard posed this question:

#298 buzzsawmonkey

Who are the Four Whoresmen of the Gramscian Apocalypse?

To which I responded, and with Pro-Bush Canuck's helpful suggestion we arrived at:

Socialism
Atheism
Feminism
Islamism

437 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:28:38am
438 The Other Les  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:29:20am

Testing.

439 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:29:21am

Oh Peacekeeper - you sweetheart, you!

/made my day

440 humanity  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:29:35am

#84 Fight The Hypocrisy

Or.. it could be both. You know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Just like 90% of San Fransisco.

Don't Make Unbelivers your Friends ... some koranic Sura....

So, now read the condition.... if you can't Make enimies enemy your friend... then put oil in fire.. at end the weak one will left alone for islamic sword.....

Now check all conflict around the world..

conflict between East and West.. and the role of Middle east.

conflict between Europe and America... and the crocodile tears of Moslems...

conflict between Christians and hindus..
conflict between Christians and Jews(including Jewish holocaust, and unstudied corner of it, when Amin visited India and learned politics.)...

conflict all around globe, and you will find Moslems either as source of that conflict or will find moslems putting oil in the fire....

and we the intellactuals are just closing our eyes, and speaking its American problem, its Israeli problem or its indian problem.... lets unite else the danger is bigger then what we think

441 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:30:16am

Mike
I was listening to a radio story about the oil industry the other day and i thought of you. The gist of it was that back in the industry recession of the 1990's the oil corps laid off all of their in house talent to save money. Those folks promptly became independent contractors and now do most of the consulting business that the big boys used to do for various countries.

442 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:30:22am

419 chicago
422 willie

Okay, I opened it. I'm glad I did, because it confirms my hunch that she's an idiot:

. . . the pollsters says polls are an imperfect gauge on respondents’ views of race and gender (and discrimination issues generally) because studies show that many respondents aren’t honest. [= she made it up.]

. . . having just read his [Obama's] memoir over the holidays, I think a good argument can indeed be made that his life experience as a whole, beyond purely governmental experience, is indeed admirably rich and the sort that is desirable in a president.

443 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:31:00am
Elric, it is not a simple matter of "we didn't give Israel as much support" - we pulled the strings in a very obvious way. Through Olmert over the dead bodies of the Israeli military and most of the Israeli public.

RE Sharon - national hero, experience both militarily and politically right back to WWII days, involved in every war Israel has ever fought. Takes nothing from nobody. Never has never will. Suddenly out of the blue disabled by a "stroke" that doesn't kill him but leaves him in what appears to be a permanent coma and then replaced by........

Olmert. A nobody with no experience at much of anything. Not a strategist. Not a military person. Nothing really, except apparently very willing to literally sell Israel down the tubes as fast as he can give it away.

Strokes are funny things. There are a couple of events that are commonly referred to as a stroke, but ending up in a long term coma from either is somewhat unusual. As the recent Pollonium Spy case in Britain demonstrated, political assassination is not dead and gone...

If so, who do you think done it?

444 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:31:00am

Thank ye, Blue! Does anyone else want to stand up for Friday? Say AYE!

(And how can a doll have Muslim values? Oy.)

445 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:31:48am

Thanks, Real

I could stay on the steroids,
the Dr's want me to.
BUT
they cause their own ancillary problems - including organ damage long term...
never mind the mental changes they inspire
SO
I am trying to live as long as I can
and like some collateral damage is expected and acceptable in war,
I have to live like
some collateral pain is expected and acceptable for me, LOL

Anyway that's the way I'm playing it.
If I did what they wanted me to do I would be on 10 different meds that cause 900 different ancillary problems.

Fi diddly fee,
It's the Holy Leaf for me, LOL!


GANJIHAD!

446 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:31:55am

{Loppy}! May I kiss your hand?

447 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:32:10am

Too bad zombie wasn't at this protest in Boston...

Boston Common rally draws 200

200 whole people?!? During the day when most people are at work.

448 TotallySirius  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:32:13am

rw

By making such a threat he has violated his oath of office,as he did by negotiating with foreign powers,as has 90% of the dems in congress.


USC Article II(presidential powers)

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States...

449 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:32:43am

#432 {loppyd} - Hi there loppyd! BZ was kind enough to post your information yesterday about how your Nana is doing. I gather she's expected to make a full recovery? How are you doing today?

450 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:33:30am

VX!

451 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:33:38am

{PK}

/demurely offers hand

452 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:34:21am

#436 Kenneth 1/12/2007 06:28AM PST


#298 buzzsawmonkey

Who are the Four Whoresmen of the Gramscian Apocalypse?

To which I responded, and with Pro-Bush Canuck's helpful suggestion we arrived at:

Socialism
Atheism
Feminism
Islamism


HA! Buzzsaw is brilliant IMO, BTW

A rerun

453 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:34:30am

BabbaZee @ 433

From your link...

And there’s the rebound from the Muslim religious right. A complete doll is haram (Arabic for "forbidden") under strict Islamic law. Unless a part of the body is missing on the doll, the doll is not halal (permitted). It would be considered idol worship

Gah - they are soooo squirrely!

454 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:34:51am

450 Peacekeeper

Ohh.........

[starts shaking]

That looks good enough to drool on.


/slurp

455 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:35:25am

#433 babba

“This isn’t just about putting a hijab on a Barbie Doll,” explained Fawaz Abidin,

Well, we can't judge that until we get all her clothes off.

456 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:35:34am

200 people? In Boston? I've seen traffic accidents draw bigger crowds.

458 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:35:57am

{realwest}

Yes, my Nana is getting back to her usual fiesty self.

Thanks for your prayers.

459 j-damn  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:36:44am
Sharon - national hero, experience both militarily and politically right back to WWII days, involved in every war Israel has ever fought. Takes nothing from nobody. Never has never will. Suddenly out of the blue disabled by a "stroke"

Come on--Sharon weight about 400 pounds. Dude was a walking artery-event waiting to happen.

460 TotallySirius  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:36:52am

#442 squarepeg

. . . having just read his [Obama's] memoir over the holidays, I think a good argument can indeed be made that his life experience as a whole, beyond purely governmental experience, is indeed admirably rich and the sort that is desirable in a president.

Hell,I'm almost twenty years older than osama/obama and have much more life experience,therefore I'm infinitely more qualified to be POTUS.

I am hereby re-re-announcing my candidacy for POTUS '08.

TotallySirius '08

Viva NBP!

461 Kirly  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:37:02am

#453

which part?

oh, I know, the BRAIN, right?

no? well, in that case I'll have to go back to their bizarre fear of women and say, politely, the external portion of the doll's reproductive area, right?

Kirly

462 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:37:29am

Making the estrogen based life forms happy is easy. Keeping them happy is not.

And howdy Kenneth. We beat Facism and Communism. One day Islamism will be no more than an historical curiosity.

463 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:37:53am
464 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:37:57am

#453 Chicago Blue

And there’s the rebound from the Muslim religious right. A complete doll is haram (Arabic for "forbidden") under strict Islamic law. Unless a part of the body is missing on the doll, the doll is not halal (permitted). It would be considered idol worship

Just like the real life counterparts.

465 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:38:29am

realwest

You're musical note "good mornings" always put a smile on my face!

Then my job here is done.

:D

{loppyd} Morning, darls.

How's your Nana?

466 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:38:38am
467 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:38:44am

#453 chicago

Unless a part of the body is missing on the doll, the doll is not halal (permitted).

They've probably cut off the doll's clitoris.

468 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:38:45am

#460 TotallySirius

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGHHHHHH!

469 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:38:52am

Shalom Carl. How's Olmert's approval ratings these days? He's your Chamberlin, IMHO.

470 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:38:56am

# 441 Peacekeeper

Well, the big disaster was 1986, of course, not in the 90s. Many people simply left the industry. And the industry spent the next almost two decades more-or-less downsizing. Those chickens have come home to roost, much to the chagrin of HR managers and VPs with MBAs.

Self-inflicted wounds can be painful. I am now playing the world's smallest violin in sympathy.

471 samhein  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:39:09am

#292 MW

That is actually what I heard this morning. A small domestic group has claimed responsibility, but I can't remember who it was.

472 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:39:52am

Deloris! Gah!

473 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:40:08am

#463

jinx! i was posting about the mutiliated doll same time as you

474 TotallySirius  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:40:10am

Alice Cooper....

I'm your top prime cut of meat, I'm your choice,
I wanna be elected,
I'm your yankee doodle dandy in a gold Rolls Royce,
I wanna be elected,
Kids want a saviour, don't need a fake,
I wanna be elected,
We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make,
I wanna be elected, elected, elected.

I never lied to you, I've always been cool,
I wanna be elected,
I gotta get the vote, and I told you 'bout school,
I wanna be elected, elected, elected,
Hallelujah, I wanna be selected,
Everyone in the United States of America.

We're gonna win this one, take the country by storm,
We're gonna be elected,
You and me together, young and strong,
We're gonna be elected, elected, elected,
Respected, selected, call collected,
I wanna be elected, elected.

"And if I am elected
I promise the formation of a new party
A third party, the Wild Party!
I know we have problems,
We got problems right here in Central City,
We have problems on the North, South, East and West,
New York City, Saint Louis, Philadelphia, Los Angeles,
Detroit, Chicago,
Everybody has problems,
And personally, I don't care."

475 Kirly  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:40:18am

[Miss Trixie!]

you should come to the lounge. it's great fun! especially in the evenings.

476 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:40:44am

Morning loppyd ~

Yes, my Nana is getting back to her usual fiesty self

Wonderful news, glad to hear it =)

477 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:40:55am

471 samhein

I heard it was a Commie group.

478 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:41:05am

MIke
Thought so, I offer you a sympathetic heh tm

479 hayseed  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:41:08am

# 425 vx bush.......people of Little Tall what say ye [ storm of the century ]

480 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:41:54am

#459 j-damn
Yes, he did, he was huge. Could be natural of course and that is the first and most logical suspect. But it is a highly unnatural world these days. BTW I find it eerie he is STILL not dead, lingering on machines to this day. It's been a year.

481 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:42:04am

Store run. Then cardiologist. Later, ...

482 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:44:04am
483 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:44:12am

#460 totally

Hell,I'm almost twenty years older than osama/obama and have much more life experience,therefore I'm infinitely more qualified to be POTUS.

But are you Black? That's the only line on your resume that really counts, you know.

484 TotallySirius  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:44:24am

#460 Babba

The game is afoot.

:-)

485 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:45:12am

{Miss Trixie}

Nana is on the mend. Thanks for asking! :D

486 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:45:41am

Chicago Blue

Thanks! :D

487 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:46:56am

In case you ladies missed this earlier...

488 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:47:02am

479 hayseed

Isn't it obvious? STOCK UP ON CHOCOLATE!

489 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:47:15am
490 TotallySirius  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:47:56am

#483 squarepeg

I'm black from the waist down,grew up and presently live in a black/hispanic neighborhhod.

I feel their pain!

491 Geoff_in_VA  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:48:05am

Grabbed this story from Mere Rhetoric.

A group called "Revolutionary Struggle" may be responsible. They appear to be November 17 part deux.

492 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:48:27am

I was born a poor black child.

493 Buck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:48:40am

OT:

OK, I just want to share how cold it is here today.

Winnipeg, MB Canada

[Link: weather.yahoo.com...]

-35 F and with the wind it feels like -49F

It is like the dark side of the moon here!

AAAHHHHHHH!

(No it is not like this all the time....)

494 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:48:49am

The Moonbats here in MA are out in full force this week:

No due process in Somalia airstrike

What happened to due process? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? This was an assassination attempt.

And your point is?

What kind of message is the United States sending? Suppose other nations followed our lead?

The right one.

495 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:48:57am

#482 Babba

whoa, that's the Island of Misfit Toys!

496 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:49:21am

Babba

Are you my new governor?

497 lurking faith  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:49:44am

442 squarepeg

You should consider taking your e-mail and her reply, and forwarding them to the WSJ editor.

The WSJ actually still has a reputation to maintain, and might pay attention if they get complaints about one of their writers making unsubstantiated claims.

498 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:49:53am

Completely OT but another insight into my life in corporate America. We have had several mergers/buyouts etc, in the last year or so. I was just notified of the latest round of reorganization is almost complete and here is my new chain of command.
I work in GA, my boss will be somebody in CT who in turns reports to somebody in CA who is beholding to a boss in IN who answers to somebody in NY and finally winds up answering to the big kahuna in IN.
I have never met any of these people and have no idea what my new duties and responsibilities will be.
Gotta love it. . .

499 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:50:35am

Boker effen Tov.

500 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:50:45am

The Deval and Miss LoppyD.

501 TotallySirius  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:51:26am

#489 Babba

Thanks love,that is an exquisite tune from a monster album.

502 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:51:46am

#495 squarepeg
LOL!

I WANNA BE A DENTIST

503 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:52:30am

Boker effen tov LOL Judah

504 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:52:33am

#429 Mike C. - Augh! I'm sorry I asked, but feel worse for you. BTW, today we don't say we're unemployed, we say we are consultants (which happens to be true in your case).
A lot of companies (not just oil) cut their staffs with a blunt sword and a lot of my buddies suddenly became unemployed. Seems like some knucklehead with an MBA he got for 50 cents and two Wheaties box tops, figured you could dramatically reduce expenses by firing a lot of your higher paid employees. What he overlooked was that most of the higher paid employees were higher paid cause they'd been with the company a longer time and/or had some sort of special skills. Lots of my friends got rehired by the same companies that laid them off, but as consultants so they don't show as regular or sustaining expenses on the balance sheet. Of course that means they now have to get their own health care and etc.
Don't suppose there are any oil companies in your background that would consider hiring you as a consultant?

505 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:52:35am

Good morning. Here's a terrible idea:

German EU President: Europe Should Train ImamsBrilliant!

506 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:52:47am

498 Just_A_Grunt

It could be worse. Substitute India, England, China, and France for the states listed.

Time differences would make things oh so fun.

507 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:52:55am

Six killed in fighting in Somali capital

Clan gunmen fired a rocket-propelled grenade and briefly exchanged gunfire with government troops outside the presidential residence in Mogadishu on Friday, leaving at least six dead in the latest hit-and-run attack following the capital.

An Associated Press reporter at the scene counted six bodies, and was told that one other person was killed. Attacks against government troops and their Ethiopian reinforcements have been increasing in frequency, if not violence, in recent days. In Friday's attack, troops loyal to clan leader Mohamed Qanyare Afrah fired on militiamen loyal to the president, who belongs to a rival clan

Gotta love al-AP

508 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:53:03am

#496 loppyd
Ha I doubt it

509 coz  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:53:14am

Good Morning All!

{hugs} and [mangrunts] to all!

510 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:54:01am

Taliban Jack is at it again, my goodness what a penetrating mind! In this interview with Richard Warnica:

On Afghanistan, what do you think the Martin and Harper governments have done wrong?

Layton: I think [Martin] said to himself, we've turned them [The Americans] down on Iraq, we've turned them down on NMD [missile defense], they want some help in Southern Afghanistan, they've got 20,000 troops down there on Operation Enduring Freedom, can't we make it a NATO mission and then we'll have a reason to get some troops in. So on the promise it would be a NATO mission, they sent in troops. They did not have a plan. They hadn't studied the quagmire of the situation. They tried to label it as diplomacy defense and development. But it never was. It was always nine parts defense for every one part development and very little diplomacy.

So what's the way forward now?

Layton: The first thing is to make clear that we are taking our troops out. No one takes you seriously unless you're willing to take that step.
Immediately?

Layton: Yes. It's what our convention approved It's what I asked them to approve. I mean you take them out safely. You don't say it on Monday and you're gone on Tuesday. But as that's happening,, you start talking to the three or four other countries who are in Afghanistan and are refusing to participate in the war and you say, let's try to launch a whole new national approach based on diplomacy, trying to approve a cease fire, etcetera...

Layton opens with a rambling conspiracy theory about why NATO & Canada are in Afghanistan, then he asserts that by cutting & running we will be taken seriously, and he finishes off with the bizarre notion that the Taliban & Al Qaeda will honor a ceasefire.
Jack is a dangerous fool.

511 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:54:04am

#494 loppy

Of course. We should have knocked on the guy's tent and delivered a summons.

512 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:54:13am

498 Just_A_Grunt

Sounds like my old company - curse be upon them!

Maybe you can convince someone in your new chain of command to stop blocking YouTube....

513 Ma Sands  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:54:16am

#509 coz
I like how you sign in. :) Such a friendly feeling. Same to you. :)

514 The Other Les  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:54:44am

The Minneapolis Star-Pravda just failed a fact check:

The contract will be substantial because the precision guidance kits will be made to fit into all existing 155-millimeter artillery shells used by the United States and NATO. The artillery rounds -- 3 feet tall and 10 inches wide -- would receive new screw-on tips, which are actually precision guidance kits that provide new satellite-guidance capability, wings that deploy mid-flight and mini brakes that can help steer the shells in the desired direction. The idea is precision targeting, even though the target may be 20 miles away.


I didn't know that the Army ever had a ten-inch bore cannon.

We had some twelve-inch railroad car mounted cannon back in World War Two, "Atomic Annie" was an eleven-inch cannon. And the self-propelled eight-inch guns were recently retired.

So someone at the Star-Pravda didn't do their homework. Par for the course for the local commie-traitor rag.

515 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:55:00am

Lebanon complain to UNIFIL about IDF encroachment

Lebanon launched an official complaint to UNIFIL on Friday, saying that Israel encroached 100 meters into its territory when the IDF discovered a Hizbullah arms cache the previous day.

Israel denied the claim, Israel Radio reported.

Irony is beyond them.

516 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:55:02am

Greetings, coz. Are you appreciative of the fact that today is the last day of the workweek?

517 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:56:05am
518 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:56:12am

511 squarepeg

Of course. We should have knocked on the guy's tent and delivered a summons.

Police intimidation! Racial profiling!

519 DesertSage  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:56:20am

Consultants.
See also: Independent Contractor.

520 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:56:21am
#505 WriterMom 1/12/2007 06:52AM PST

Good morning. Here's a terrible idea:

German EU President: Europe Should Train Imams Brilliant!


You sure it isnt the otherway around?

521 galloping granny  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:57:11am
#480 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 06:41AM PST

#459 j-damn
Yes, he did, he was huge. Could be natural of course and that is the first and most logical suspect. But it is a highly unnatural world these days. BTW I find it eerie he is STILL not dead, lingering on machines to this day. It's been a year.

I am aware that he was fairly substantially overweight, though that is not an automatic argument for the legitimacy of a stroke. Many people who are not overweight have "strokes."

It is the STILL on the machines that causes me to question. When people - even physicians - speak of a "stroke" they mean one of two things: blocked arteries leading to shut down of oxygen to the brain or an event where the artery springs a leak at a weak point in the wall and bleeds into the brain. In either case if you do not die fairly immediately, then you usually live. Might have some brain damage - and that can be pretty apparent (problems with one side of your body, inability to speak) - but survivors are not usually still on life support a year later. THAT is the very odd bit.

Sharon had the "bleeding into the brain" kind of stroke - and there is absolutely NO correlation between that kind of stroke and weight. Cerebral hemorrage, as this is called, is due entirely to a weak place in the wall of an artery. Genetic. Very fixable with surgery. Brain surgery can lead to permanent coma, but usually does not, especially in the hands of a top-flight brain surgeon. Some of the best in the world are Israeli and I cannot imagine Sharon having had anything less than several of the very best.

522 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:57:16am

#497 lurking

done, my man. I want to rid the world (or at least my favorite publications) of these twittering idiots.

523 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:57:20am

Yo Coz

I'm in Queen mode

524 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:58:00am

Malaysian high court ruling expected soon on legal recognition of conversions from Islam

KUALA LUMPUR (AFP) - Malaysia's status as a moderate Muslim country is being put to the test in a milestone court decision that may allow Muslims to renounce their faith, a move considered one of Islam's greatest sins.

The nation's highest court is to rule on an appeal by Lina Joy, a convert from Islam to Christianity who for a decade has been locked in a battle with the government to have her decision legally recognised.

The appeal brings to a head passionate arguments about whether Muslims can renounce Islam at will and, ultimately, whether Malaysia is a secular country or is morphing into a conservative Islamic state under religious Sharia law.

If you imagine this "won't affect me" then I have a question for you: How many chips on your motherboard have Malaysia printed on them?

525 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:58:23am

#462 Peacekeeper - Amen to that. How are ya this morning (other than having vxbush drooling all over your hand, I mean?)?

526 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:58:30am

#521 galloping granny
Thanks granny

527 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:58:40am

#506 vxcbush

It could be worse. Substitute India, England, China, and France for the states listed.


Don't get me started. We have a large section of our IT farmed out to India.

528 Black George Bush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:58:42am

Morning all!

529 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:59:10am

PK

The Wonder of Deval...

Together we can't.

530 coz  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:59:40am

Ma Sands,

I enjoy being here, and as crummy as I feel its nice to have a place to come to where so many people can make you smile, a laugh hysterically too!

vxbush,

Aaaand how!

/little rascals

531 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:59:43am
Those folks promptly became independent contractors and now do most of the consulting business that the big boys used to do for various countries.

BIG MIKE C. IS RIPPING US OFF!

532 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 4:59:56am

Bad mood today.

Going to effen meeting.

533 coz  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:00:16am

a=and
/pimf

534 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:00:54am

Jesus

And then I saw Him in the crowd

A lot of people had gathered round Him
The beggers shouted and the lepers called Him
The old man said nothing
He just stared about Him
All going down to see the Lord Jesus
All going down to see the Lord Jesus
All going down

Then came a man before His feet he fell
Unclean said the leper and rang his bell
Felt the palm of a hand touch his head
Go now go now you're a new man instead
All going down to see the Lord Jesus
All going down to see the Lord Jesus
All going down

It all began with the three wise men
Followed a star took them to Bethelehem
And made it heard throughout the land
Born was the leader of man
All going down to see the Lord Jesus
All going down to see the Lord Jesus
All going down

It all began with the three wise men
Followed a star took them to Bethelehem
And made it heard throughout the land
Born was the leader of man
All going down to see the Lord Jesus
All going down to see the Lord Jesus
All going down

~ Freddie Mercury


535 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:02:15am

#513 Ma Sands - Howdy Ma! How are ya doing this fine morning?

536 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:03:09am
#524 abolitionist 1/12/2007 06:58AM PST

Malaysian high court ruling expected soon on legal recognition of conversions from Islam

KUALA LUMPUR (AFP) - Malaysia's status as a moderate Muslim country is being put to the test in a milestone court decision that may allow Muslims to renounce their faith, a move considered one of Islam's greatest sins.
The nation's highest court is to rule on an appeal by Lina Joy, a convert from Islam to Christianity who for a decade has been locked in a battle with the government to have her decision legally recognised.

The appeal brings to a head passionate arguments about whether Muslims can renounce Islam at will and, ultimately, whether Malaysia is a secular country or is morphing into a conservative Islamic state under religious Sharia law.

If you imagine this "won't affect me" then I have a question for you: How many chips on your motherboard have Malaysia printed on them?


I wonder if any businesses will pull out of there if it becomes more Islamic.

537 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:03:10am

Bad Mood? Perhaps Seejanemom will stop by and describe her PMS to us, yet again. ;?

538 newmelleman  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:03:38am

Paging Edtheweatherguy, paging Mr. meteorology...

Is the STL gonna get whacked with another ice storm this weekend like the one that shut us down last month?

Just trying to determine whether or not it will be necessary to fight the panicked throng at the grocery store on the way home tonight.

(Retina melting colors and monumental fonts welcomed)

Thanks in advance.

NMM

Mornin' Lizard Nation!

539 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:03:40am

OK you two... (realwest & miss trixie)
Knock all this kissie, kissie. I'm getting REAL jealous over here. LOL

PS.. It's 20 deg's outside. Al where is that warming thing you keep talking about?

540 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:03:58am

The Bush admin is finally stating the obvious. This makes me think (hope?) there will be a corresponding change in policy and action.
Al-Qaeda 'rebuilding' in Pakistan

Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri, left, are on the top of the wanted list
The head of US spying operations says the leaders of al-Qaeda have found a secure hideout in Pakistan from where they are rebuilding their strength.
National Intelligence Director John Negroponte said al-Qaeda was strengthening its ties across the Middle East, North Africa and Europe.

Pakistan rejected the comments, which are the most specific on the issue yet.

But the unusually forthright statement by Mr Negroponte appears to be the first time the US has publicly singled out Pakistan, one of its key allies, as the current home of al-Qaeda's high command...

"Pakistan is our partner in the war on terror and has captured several al-Qaeda leaders. However, it is also a major source of Islamic extremism," Mr Negroponte said in written testimony submitted to the Senate committee.

Waiting for the other shoe to drop...

541 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:04:09am

#528 Black George Bush - Morning back atcha! How's the new job working out, or is it too soon to tell?

542 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:04:14am
I'm in Queen mode

Flash - a-ah - saviour of the universe
Flash - a-ah - he'll save everyone of us
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Flash - a-ah - he's a miracle
Flash - a-ah - king of the impossible

He's for everyone of us
Stand for everyone of us
He'll save with a mighty hand
Every man every woman
Every child - with a mighty flash

Flash - a-ah
Flash - a-ah - he'll save everyone of us

Just a man
With a man's courage
He knows nothing but a man
But he can never fail
No one but the pure in heart
May find the golden grail
Oh oh - oh oh
Flash

543 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:04:29am

Howdy Ma and BGB

I have to go soon
I can't type much longer.
I'll lurk for a bit longer....

and one more Queen song

544 Ma Sands  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:04:32am

#514 The Other Les

"Star-Pravda didn't do their homework. Par for the course for the local commie-traitor rag..."


True....but ain't it nice that even in the most unsavory places, the occasional good spot is found...? ....I've found that to be, in the Star/Trib, too....gives hope, for finding the 'underground' people, when we are going to need them.... :)

545 ec marm  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:06:28am

Hello all! I need an image idea, please. Had a really great islamic kangaroo thing going yesterday when *thunk* hard drive crash. I can't go back to it now, its jinxed.

BabbaZee You know that AISA video? Would it be possible to do a script for something like that which subtly shows the intrinsict lack of love in the koran?

546 garycooper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:06:43am

In regards to the awful story yesterday about the continuing genital-mutilation of women, I was trying to think of a parallel kind of suffering that men have to endure. I couldn't think of anything in modern times, but I can't shake the images of that Sioux Sun Dance, which was featured in that grisly '70's movie whose name I can't recall. Did Robert Redford really name his precious film festival and overpriced-crap store after this outrageous torture-ceremony? I mean, that movie rivalled "The Passion," for sheer ouchiness.

I know young male singers in Europe and the Vatican were castrated, to preserve their precious soprano voices. That went on until the late 19th century, too.

Then, I remembered the Chinese eunuchs...
[Link: www.usrf.org...]


Just outside the Forbidden City gate, but within the Imperial City, was a run-down budding where several "knifers," - who were recognized by the government as qualified to perform castrations, though they received no government salary, plied their trade. Theirs was a hereditary, family profession. They collected six taels for each surgery and nursing the eunuch through the initial stage of recovery.

When the surgery was about to take place, the candidate was placed on a low bed in a semi-reclining position, and asked once more if he would ever regret being castrated. If the answer was no, one man clasped him about the waist while two others separated his legs and held them firmly down to prevent any movement. Tight bandages were wound around the thighs and lower abdomen, the patient was given a bowl of nerve-stunning" herbal tea, and his private parts were desensitized with baths of hot pepper water. Both penis and testicles were then swiftly cut off with a small curved knife as closely as possible to the body. A metal plug was immediately inserted into the urethra, and the entire wound covered with water-soaked paper and carefully bandaged. Immediately thereafter, the eunuch was made to walk about the room for two or three hours supported on each side by the "knifers" before he was allowed to lie down. He was not allowed to drink any liquid for three days, during which time lie suffered great agony from thirst and extreme pain, and was unable to urinate. At the end of three days, the bandages were removed, the inserted plug pulled out, and hopefully the sufferer was able to obtain relief with a copious flow of urine, at which time he was congratulated and considered out of danger. If the surgery rendered the eunuch unable to urinate, the passages having grown closed, he was doomed to an agonizing death.

547 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:06:57am

LONG WEEKEND, woo-hoo!

One ethical dilemma; is it wrong for me to go to the shooting range on Martin Luther King Day? It just feels kind of... dunno, not right.

Ah, heck, I'll go Sunday instead.

548 Confuzed  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:07:02am

Not so unusual for some Greeks, catching people with their pants down and then blasting them from behind. Note to tourists: DO NOT accept free drinks from strangers as you might wake up with your pants around ankles sans wallet and passport.

We could learn from a lot from Athens though: car license plate ending in an odd number only allowed to drive on odd-numbered days of the month in the city. License plates ending with even numbers only allowed to drive on even-numbered days of the month.

Unfortunately, the best of intentions were spoiled by many who simply bought two cars and got two different license plates.

Koran Officially Sanctioned Handbook of Murder, Rape, Amputation, Torture, Terrorism, Thievery, War, Pillaging, and everything else against human rights in the 21st century.

549 mad_scientist  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:07:26am

Morning all. Here is an example of media hypocrisy, as if we needed anymore. Sen Boxer (Ca) recently chided Condeleeza Rice for being a childless woman and that shee cannot make policy decisions because she has no children.

No joke. Could you imagine if this statement was utter by a Republican, or even by a any male Senator to another woman in the cabinet.

The feminists would be in an uproar....but strangely, they are very quiet on this....

Here is the article

550 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:07:47am

Hey, we could be talking about ovarian cysts, Peacekeeper.

551 Ma Sands  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:07:58am

Hullo, realwest.....and BabbaZee.... :) ...and everybody else, too.... :)
Got my winter blood....but the joints are beginning to tell in the cold......sigh....

552 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:08:02am

#505 writermom

I think a perfectly lovely way for Europeans to celebrate the 100th anniversay of WWI would be to run to America yet again to rescue them from a war of their own making.

553 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:08:03am

#542 Occasional Reader
Queen was my uber favorite band as a teenager, (next to deep purple of course)

/See you all later or tomorrow

554 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:08:18am

#531 Occasional Reader - Uh, that should be
Mike C. was ripping us off (see Mike's #429).
Any folks out here have any high level contacts in the oil business (or, as they say in Texas, the "All bidnez") that could maybe give Mike C. a hand?

555 coz  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:08:23am

Babba,

Do you remember Jellyfish?

556 newmelleman  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:08:52am

garycooper

which was featured in that grisly '70's movie whose name I can't recall.

"A Man Called Horse" with Richard Harris.
(I think)

NMM

557 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:09:18am

#545 ec marm 1/12/2007 07:06AM PST


Hello all! I need an image idea, please. Had a really great islamic kangaroo thing going yesterday when *thunk* hard drive crash. I can't go back to it now, its jinxed.

BabbaZee You know that AISA video? Would it be possible to do a script for something like that which subtly shows the intrinsict lack of love in the koran?


Yes I'll speak to you later off the board
have started the other one too

/later

558 coz  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:09:19am

aw nuts,

I think I missed Babba

559 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:10:18am

Good morning all.

the freezing rain has already started in OKC.

560 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:10:28am

VX
I'm just saying that i find it unusual for a women to acknowledge the monthly bill, let alone carp on it.( I can get away with this cause she ain't here.)

561 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:10:54am

#547 Occasional Reader

Of course it's okay to go to a shooting range on MLK Day. A gun didn't kill him. An evil man did.

562 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:11:37am

Morning, Lance. I don't suppose you could keep it there, can you? I can't say I look forward to driving home in it.

563 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:11:56am

REalwest
Hiya

Any folks out here have any high level contacts in the oil business (or, as they say in Texas, the "All bidnez") that could maybe give Mike C. a hand?

Umm, my truck needs an oil change.

564 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:12:20am

#442 squarepeg

Hilarious. She just states as fact that Americans are sexist and racist, and when you ask her if she's asked them, she responds that people will lie if you ask them about their feeligns, but somehow she just knows their minds.

It's one of those truths that the left just assumes, and they're always so indignant when you question.

"WHAT? How can you question that? You might as well question gravity."

565 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:12:40am

560 Peacekeeper

Are not around women? I don't know any woman who doesn't complain about it from time to time.

/and she might be lurking.

566 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:12:42am

#556 newmelleman - Bzzzt - that is correct, now please pick a category to win 100,000 quataloos!

567 wargammer2005  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:12:47am

#514 The Other Les

it is even worst

if the first part they tell us they ar for 155mm rounds, then tell us that they are 10 inches.

whoever proof read and editied this is an idiot.

but as you say, typical of liberal crap rags.

568 coz  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:12:57am

Hiya Mandy!

569 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:13:01am
We could learn from a lot from Athens though: car license plate ending in an odd number only allowed to drive on odd-numbered days of the month in the city.

They do that in Bogotá and Mexico City, too. I know in the case of Bogotá it helped reduce what used to be absolutely incredible traffic congestion.

#554 realwest:

(see Mike's #429).

Whoops.

BIG UNEMPLOYMENT IS RIPPING MIKE C. OFF!

570 squarepeg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:13:16am

Okay, nice chatting. Off to chores.

571 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:13:23am

Eunuchs. Gah!

572 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:13:35am
549 mad_scientist 1/12/2007 07:07AM PST

Morning all. Here is an example of media hypocrisy, as if we needed anymore. Sen Boxer (Ca) recently chided Condeleeza Rice for being a childless woman and that shee cannot make policy decisions because she has no children.

No joke. Could you imagine if this statement was utter by a Republican, or even by a any male Senator to another woman in the cabinet.

The feminists would be in an uproar....but strangely, they are very quiet on this....

Here is the article


Does this mean people that dont own firearms cant make policy on gun control?

573 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:14:01am

PIMF: are you not around women.....

574 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:15:49am

#563 PK


Umm, my truck needs an oil change.

LOL. PK that's just wrong!

575 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:16:12am

VX
If I so much as insinuate why the little woman is angry I get a gut punch or a stinger right across the face. Good thing she's so small.

576 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:16:46am

#507 Ben Hur

Clan gunmen fired a rocket-propelled grenade

Damn those Scots!

577 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:16:49am

#563 Peacekeeper - Hey PK! I wish it was a laughing matter. Suddenly becoming unemployed when your as
old mature as Mike C. is, is no laughing matter (don't bother asking how I know, but that's how I became a consultant for a short period of time).
I'm afraid America's current labor market doesn't favor white, heterosexual males over the age of 50 as a particular asset; in fact, quite the contrary.

Who's bitter?!

578 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:17:20am

#561 Mandy:

A gun didn't kill him. An evil man did.

Of course that's true, but... call it the vestigal liberal in me, it still doesn't feel right heading off to the range on that particular day.

What a tragedy for our country that this man was cut down, and we're left with race hustlers like Sharpton.

579 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:18:09am

{coz} Morning, dahlink.

{Dustoff TCG™} *smooch*
/don't be jealous realwest 'cause you were the first I smooched

{BGB} Hiya, handsome. Talk to 'Nam yet?

{Lance} Morning, Sparky.

{NMM} Well! Hello there!

580 DesertSage  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:18:43am

Morning everyone.

Does anyone know what the Democrat strategy for Iraq is yet?

581 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:19:01am

#576 Silhouette - HEY! What makes you think we Scots had anything to do with it? Coulda been Irish, ya know? If it was a Scottish Clan, they'd have attacked with Claymore's (swords, not mines, that is)!
;')

582 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:19:07am

Me Laugh at Mike? Never!

OK maybe just a little. Heh.

583 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:19:14am

562 vxbush

oh, it is staying here... supposed to do this all day, all night and possibly into tomorrow.

they're expecting over an inch, maybe as much as 2 inches of ice coating everything.

with the brunt of it coming between noon at 5pm.

yay

584 mad_scientist  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:19:46am

#572 Elric66

Does this mean people that dont own firearms cant make policy on gun control?

Following that lunatic Boxer's logic, yes.....

This story is new, so there may be a backlash agaisnt Boxer for them, we'll have to wait. But I just cant believe she would say that....it is utter insanity.

585 Black George Bush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:20:01am

#541 realwest
Morning. Everything is going great over here. Loving the new job. Between the payraise and my monthly Zionist check, ive got it made.

586 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:20:56am

#580 DesertSage - Morning my friend! Near as I can tell, the Dem's strategy hasn't changed since the election; whatever Bush proposes, be loudly, vocally against.

587 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:21:41am

OT: Mamma Moonbat VERY IMPRESSED With Cuban Health Care

"it's just the very best in the whole wide world"

588 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:22:22am
#584 mad_scientist 1/12/2007 07:19AM PST

#572 Elric66

Does this mean people that dont own firearms cant make policy on gun control?

Following that lunatic Boxer's logic, yes.....

This story is new, so there may be a backlash agaisnt Boxer for them, we'll have to wait. But I just cant believe she would say that....it is utter insanity.


You know the double standards of the left so its believable.

589 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:22:33am

155mm is about 6 inches, by my reckonin'.

There are some things that I have trouble imagining in the metric system. For instance, do European lounge lizards really say, "hey baby, I've got 228 millimeters"?

590 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:22:40am

{BGB}

So happy to hear the new job is working out. Do you like your new city as well?

591 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:22:42am

#579 Miss Trixie


Dustoff TCG™} *smooch*
/don't be jealous realwest 'cause you were the first I smooched

Phew, thanks Trixie. I was feeling left out, I know that Realwest is better looking than me. (-:

592 hayseed  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:22:57am

strange little girl

593 newmelleman  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:23:09am
{NMM} Well! Hello there!


Thats it, Bingo...I've got {huggie} Bingo! See, right here on my card I've got diagonal {}'s! Whoo-hoo!

:D

Mornin' {Miss Trixie}!


NMM

594 garycooper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:23:10am

#556 newmelleman 1/12/2007 07:08AM PST
garycooper

which was featured in that grisly '70's movie whose name I can't recall.

"A Man Called Horse" with Richard Harris.
(I think)

You got it, thanks! Boy, was I coming up empty. First stages of Alzheimer's, no doubt.

595 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:23:28am

#585 Black George Bush - Hey, I'm really glad to hear that. Seriously. It's amazing how many people I know who HATE they're jobs for a variety of reasons. I'm glad this has turned out so well for ya!

596 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:23:57am

Peacekeeper

Ah; I guess in my case, the husband and I both know it, but only talk about it at the end of the day.

597 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:24:17am

#462 Peacekeeper

Keeping women happy is very easy. Just remember the two magic words:

"Yes, dear."

598 Black George Bush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:24:47am

#579 Miss Trixie
Morning sweetie! Havent had a chance to call Nam yet, I'll give him a shout this weekend. How are things with you?

599 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:25:20am

#592 hayseed - Good morning to ya! How did lunch with your kids go yesterday? Didja have a good time?

600 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:25:33am

#572 Elric66

Does this mean people that dont own firearms cant make policy on gun control?

Men politicians can't really represent women, you have to have one of each for each district.

And singles can't represent married, so you need four representatives for each district.

And whites can't represent blacks, or blacks hispanics, or hispanics asians, etc. so you need four representatives from each district for each ethnic group. Let's estimate 7-8 major groups for each district, times 4.

And the devout can't represent the secular, so double the above number.

Double it again, because the childless can't represent those with children.

By following this logic to its conclusion, the bare minimum you need to represent 100,000 people is....100,000 people.

Or maybe, just maybe, we could have one person represent all the rest, even though that person doesn't share all the same demographic qualities with each of their constituents.

We'd call this daring new venture a Republic.

It's just crazy enough to work.

601 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:25:50am

#580 Desert Sage.


Does anyone know what the Democrat strategy for Iraq is yet?

Ahhhh, Lose and then de-fund like they did in Nam. 1975

602 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:25:54am

Conservative Movement Needs Leaders
by Kenneth Blackwell
Posted Jan 12, 2007


Conservatism in America is in need of leaders who demonstrate fidelity to principle. The Republican Party, the conservative movement’s partisan home, received a stern repudiation in the 2006 midterm elections. Many Republican elected officials were thrown out of office or denied advancement. Voters across the nation expressed their growing dissatisfaction with Republican leadership.

Twelve years of Republican majorities have witnessed expansive corporate welfare, ineffective industrial subsidization and the increasing federalization of education and health care. The GOP Congress has responded to failing federal initiatives with equally unsustainable programs, and Americans have learned the hard way that a government cannot spend away its own inefficiency.

[Link: www.humanevents.com...]

603 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:26:27am

WriterMom

“I’ve never seen anything similar in the world.”

Luckily, neither have we.

IIRC, didn't she refuse to meet with some wives of jailed dissidents while she was there?

604 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:26:30am

Realwest the employment opportunites for men of a certain maturity are endless...

605 coz  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:26:53am

#597 Writermom

I've learned them well!

606 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:26:54am

Damn Boxer takes back feel good for a CAIR associate one day and then makes this kind of personal attack on another person in public. The word bi-polar comes to mind.
Regarding Babs' latest I care less about the titles of the people involved or anything else, but to make those kind of comments to another person in front of the media in a very public forum is just the epitome of hatred.
Why isn't the ACLU or Black Caucus or Jesse Jackson raising questions regarding what could have been a personal attack maybe motivated by racism or bigotry?
/nevermind we all the answer

607 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:27:16am

#537 Peackeeper

ROFL. I didn't comment on that but I sure as hell noticed it.

608 mad_scientist  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:27:24am

Is it just me, or are the Democrats coming off very bad in the early stages of their congressional takeover?

Their first 100 hour fiasco fell flat on its face. They already started the partisan bickering, and cheap shots. Their plan for Iraq, if you can call it one, is to cut and run and the people know it no matter how they try to hide it.

And now they are just heckeling Bush's plan without explaining what theirs is, and why it will work and is better than what the President proposed.

So far, they couldnt have done worse.....way to go Nacncy!

609 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:27:38am

#580 DesertSage


Does anyone know what the Democrat strategy for Iraq is yet?

Bitch and moan, whine and cry- no matter what happens in Iraq.

What? Seems like their plan to me!

610 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:27:39am
#600 Silhouette 1/12/2007 07:25AM PST

#572 Elric66

Does this mean people that dont own firearms cant make policy on gun control?
Men politicians can't really represent women, you have to have one of each for each district.

And singles can't represent married, so you need four representatives for each district.

And whites can't represent blacks, or blacks hispanics, or hispanics asians, etc. so you need four representatives from each district for each ethnic group. Let's estimate 7-8 major groups for each district, times 4.

And the devout can't represent the secular, so double the above number.

Double it again, because the childless can't represent those with children.

By following this logic to its conclusion, the bare minimum you need to represent 100,000 people is....100,000 people.

Or maybe, just maybe, we could have one person represent all the rest, even though that person doesn't share all the same demographic qualities with each of their constituents.

We'd call this daring new venture a Republic.

It's just crazy enough to work.

Crazy enough for a Democrat anyway :-)

611 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:27:43am

Yes, Dear.

612 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:28:41am

580 Desert

Dem policy for Iraq?

bloviate and be against anything the president says.

unless they like it, then they take credit and say that finally the President is 'listening to reason and consultation."

613 Pro-Bush Canuck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:28:46am

When Leftists Attack!

(if they attacked more often we could use the AC-130 gunships on them, too)

614 The Other Les  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:28:54am

# 567 wargammer2005 1/12/2007 07:12AM PST

whoever proof read and editied this is an idiot.

but as you say, typical of liberal crap rags.


And they posture as intellectually superior beings.

Feh!

615 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:29:34am

#601 Dustoff-507 - Morning bud! You should know that we were in fact winning (at least militarily) in Vietnam until Congress cut off funding. We owe it to those still serving and to those of our brothers who can no longer speak for themselves, to insure Congress doesn't get away with that bullshit again.

616 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:29:54am
#608 mad_scientist 1/12/2007 07:27AM PST

Is it just me, or are the Democrats coming off very bad in the early stages of their congressional takeover?

Their first 100 hour fiasco fell flat on its face. They already started the partisan bickering, and cheap shots. Their plan for Iraq, if you can call it one, is to cut and run and the people know it no matter how they try to hide it.

And now they are just heckeling Bush's plan without explaining what theirs is, and why it will work and is better than what the President proposed.

So far, they couldnt have done worse.....way to go Nacncy!


Can you blame them? This was the strategy that got them in power. Why would they change now?

617 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:30:07am

Peacekeeper

"Yes, dear" is good, but there is a better answer:

Honey, would you like some chocolate?

:D

618 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:31:01am

#603 loppyd

I don't know. I didn't read too much about her junket. Seeing her praise the bankrupt commie 'medical' system in commie Cuba was about all I could take for one morning.

#605 coz

In Judaism there is a concept called "Shalom Bayit" (peace in the home). The smartest Rabbis agree that this really means: WIFE HAPPY.

619 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:31:53am
620 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:32:00am

Translation of original article written en Español:

The pacifist delegation headed by Cindy Sheehan will not meet with the "Ladies In White", the group of wives of jailed dissidents, nor will they visit Cuban prisons during their current visit to Cuba to demand the closing of the U.S. Guantanamo Naval Base.

"We are here as American citizens, feeling responsible for what our government does", said Medea Benjamin of Global Exchange and CODEPINK: Ladies For Peace, who is accompanying Sheehan in her visit to the island.

We are not here to see the problems which exist inside of Cuba, but to protest the abuses being committed in Guantanamo, although we defend the respect for human rights throughout the world, added Benjamin, who said she wasn't aware of the open letter sent by the Ladies in White to Sheehan.

In the open letter which was divulged in Havana on Monday, the Ladies In White, a movement which began in 2003 after the imprisonment of 75 dissidents, asked for a meeting with Cindy Sheehan and urged her to visit any Cuban prison.

Sheehan arrived on Saturday as the head of a large delegation of pacifists critical of Washington's politics, which will march to the area around the Guantanamo base to demand the closing of the prison there as well as for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

The march is scheduled for Thursday, on the 5th anniversary of the prison at Guantanamo, a U.S. base in Eastern Cuba.

Sheehan is accompanied, among others, by Asif Iqbal, who was held at the Guantanamo Base prison for two and a half years, and relatives of Omar Deghayes, currently at the prison.

Four hundred people remain detained in the Guantanamo Base prison awaiting trial, according to official figures.

621 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:32:22am

Wow ~ you all are on fiyah this morning!

Great commentary on so many topics and all the music and flowers...

Way to go Lizards =)

622 TMF  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:32:32am

I could almost respect the Democrats if they had the balls to admit what "policy" they support (ie. immediate complete withdrawal).

Every one of them "opposes" a surge, but wont offer a plan

They just want to shoot spitballs at Bush and offer nothing.

623 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:32:41am

602 Elric

I don't know about others, but I've been saying that for months.

and I'm not that smart... just ask around.

624 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:33:05am
625 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:33:09am
Does this mean people that dont own firearms cant make policy on gun control?

Yes! And people without penises can't decide which channel we're going to watch!

626 garycooper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:33:29am

#592 hayseed 1/12/2007 07:22AM PST
strange little girl

When angry punks were really angry punks...because every day was a Bad Hair Day?

I enjoyed that video. Good times!

627 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:33:41am

WARNING: SHMALTZ ALERT
This is very sappy for the parents out there. I just got it from a friend.

Before I Was A Mom

Before I was a Mom I never tripped over toys or forgot words to a lullaby. I didn't worry whether or not my plants were poisonous. I never thought about immunizations. Before I was a Mom - I never been puked on. Pooped on. Chewed on. Peed on. I had complete control of my mind and my thoughts. I slept all night. Before I was a Mom I never held down a screaming child so doctors could do test or give shots. I never looked into teary eyes and cried. I never got gloriously happy over a simple grin. I never sat up during late hours at night watching a baby sleep. Before I was a Mom I never held a sleeping baby just because I didn't want to put them down. I never felt my heart break into a million pieces when I couldn't stop the hurt. I never knew that something so small could affect my life so much. I never knew I could love someone so much. I never knew I would love being a Mom. Before I was a Mom - I didn't know the feeling of having my heart outside my body. I didn't know how special it could feel to feed a hungry baby. I didn't know the bond between a mother and her child. I didn't know that something so small could make me feel so important and happy. Before I was a Mom - I had never gotten up in the middle of the night every 10 minutes to make sure everything was okay. I had never known the warmth, the joy, the love, the heartache, the wonderment or the satisfaction of being a Mom. I didn't know I was capable of feeling so much before I was a Mom.

628 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:33:45am

#609 {m} Good morning sugah! How are you this fine morning?

629 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:33:56am

ploome

I saw that clip of that this morning. Condi's eyebrows shot up, but she maintained her dignity.

Barbara Boxer is among the most vile of the left.

630 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:34:15am

Tonight on the History Channel:
Invention of the Cleavis pin.(60 mins)

631 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:34:18am

When progessives attack.

632 gamegrid  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:34:36am

I'd say there is a 95% chance this was caused by radical islamists. I doubt the "moderates" will condemn this type of thing. Of course, they may do the condemn, but excuse play as they usually do... then the media can play it (and agree, since they usually do.)

Greece is a very anti-american country. The population probably won't even care... they do hate the turks with every drop of blood in their veins...

I, first of all, hope their is no casualties. But second of all, I hope the administration recognizes the threat posed by Hezbollah & Hamas and goes after them and their funding ALL over the world. (Iran & Syria included...and our sh-tty allies of the region.)

CAIR: This means you.

633 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:34:52am

#611 Peacekeeper

'zactly

(dear)

634 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:35:56am

A BETTER CARBECUE

One of the pages of the French Resistance gives the new and true number of cars burned by the youths to celebrate New Year's Eve:

NOT 396 as stated before, but
683

LINKY

Publié le 11 janvier 2007 à 09h38 Voitures brûlées : bilan plus élevé (radio)

Le nombre définitif de voitures brûlées lors de la nuit de la Saint Sylvestre "est 70%" plus élevé que le chiffre fourni par le ministère de l'Intérieur le 1er janvier au matin, a affirmé jeudi Europe 1 sur la foi d'une enquête qu'elle a conduite auprès de l'ensemble des préfectures. Selon le décompte établi par la radio, ce sont 683 voitures qui ont été incendiées cette nuit-là, alors que le ministère avait publié un bilan, arrêté à 06H00 le 1er janvier, se montant à 396 voitures brûlées, dont 83 par propagation. (source : lefigaro.fr).

635 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:36:29am
#623 LanceKates 1/12/2007 07:32AM PST

602 Elric

I don't know about others, but I've been saying that for months.

and I'm not that smart... just ask around.

Ive been saying this too. They wont win again until they do.

636 DesertSage  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:37:00am

#622 TMF

I could almost respect the Democrats if they had the balls to admit what "policy" they support (ie. immediate complete withdrawal).

Every one of them "opposes" a surge, but wont offer a plan

They just want to shoot spitballs at Bush and offer nothing.


So basically, they're just "Staying the course"?
The very thing they've been bitching about for years?

637 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:37:31am
638 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:37:58am

Good Morning All!(except you!, ya rat bastard, and you know who you are!)

Interesting day for bits of "News". I'm sure these have already been posted here, as we're a pretty sharp, waz happinin' crowd, but in case one or two have been missed, here's the WAZ HAPPININ' round up. For your amusement.

1. The MODERATE, Abbas, calls for an end to internecine strife...and getting back to the basic of shooting at Israel!

2. Fwench general commanding UNIFIL forcesterrorist enablers will be replaced by February. UN takes a stumble in the right direction.

3. London Mosque DVD: Jews Face Mass Extermination ..."the excerpts were taken out of context."...again.

4. Mark Steyn comments to Hugh Hewitt re: the President's speech..."I only hope that the action lives up to the talk."

5. No comment necessary...The President's Tears

6. Finally, a humane response to the ongoing tragedy of Darfur, albeit miniscule. While the UN has ignored this horror story, for all intents and purposes, Israel, is doing something, at least.

Bubba!...you still here? Shabbat Shalom, and play me a tune babe!

639 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:38:03am

#621 ChicagoBlue - As one of those who has NOT been on fire this morning, I think I should accept those kind words on behalf of the rest! LOL!

640 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:38:47am

#617 vxbush

"Yes, dear" is good, but there is a better answer:

Honey, would you like some chocolate?

My personal favorite is, "You're the perfect size. If you lost any weight, you'd look weird, too skinny."

641 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:39:17am

PK, typically I want to watch "Firepower" on the Military Channel, and my girlfriend wants to watch "Sex and the City" reruns. Is there a compromise solution? Perhaps a show in which large-caliber ordnance is delivered with pinpoint precision on whiny, self-absorbed Manhattan airheads?

642 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:39:19am
#578 Occasional Reader

What a tragedy for our country that this man was cut down, and we're left with race hustlers like Sharpton.

I wonder what the country would look like if he hadn't been assasinated?

643 gamegrid  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:40:01am

I see there is a website saying the Greeks are claiming it is a domestic leftist group most likely as the culprits.

Commies...socialists...scum. I still have doubts, but I do know many Greeks are anti-american so this isn't out of the question.

We'll see... We'll see...

644 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:40:08am

#615 Realwest


Thanks realwest. I didn't mean us. Yes I know we were kicking their butts. But the Dem's with fat ass Teddy stopped all funding to the south.
That did them in.

I feel if given the chance. The dem's will do it to Iraq too! )-:

645 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:40:38am

When leftists attack:

Did anyone see the story of the Yale student who was attacked by a mob in SF after singing the National Anthem at a party?

646 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:41:11am

#641 Occasional Reader

Two televisions, side by side, with headphones.

647 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:41:12am

The Anti-Profiling Agenda

Representative Keith Ellison (D-MN) has been named to the House Judiciary Committee. Ellison said in a statement: “I look forward to pursuing a progressive agenda in the committee, including the restoration of American citizen’s civil liberties that have come under increasing attack over the past six years.”

No. American infidel LIVES have been under attack.

Effen Asshole.

648 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:41:45am

#632 gamegrid
Leftists...
Greek leftists 'attacked embassy'

649 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:42:04am
650 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:42:07am

loppy #620

"We are here as American citizens, feeling responsible for what our government does", said Medea Benjamin of Global Exchange and CODEPINK: Ladies For Peace, who is accompanying Sheehan in her visit to the island.

We are not here to see the problems which exist inside of Cuba,

"We're here to hate America. We can't be bothered with Cuba. Priorities, people!"

651 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:42:12am

#580 DesertSage

Mornin'.

Does anyone know what the Democrat strategy for Iraq is yet?

Yeah. Go look up "Viet Nam".

652 funkyfantom  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:42:23am

Saturday, September 22, 2001 18:59 EST

Club coach disgusted by display

[Associated Press]

ATHENS, Greece -- Fans of the Greek soccer club AEK Athens tried to burn the American flag before the team's match against Scotland club Hibernian, and booed during a moment of silence for the victims of the terrorist attacks in the United States.

"What went on in Athens disgusted me," Hibernian coach Alex McLeish said Saturday. "With what happened last week, innocent people of all nationalities in America, anyone would show respect."

There was a minute's silence at all 77 European games played during the week. But McLeish said that as the players stood in silence to pay their respects in the Athens stadium before Thursday's UEFA Cup game, many AEK fans jeered through the silence and tried to burn the American flag.

"What badly disappointed me was that there was no effort made by anyone, the police included, to do anything about it," McLeish said. "When I first heard all the shouting and jeering, I thought it was their way of doing the minute's silence. Then I was told by someone who said, `Look, they're burning the American flag.'

"I could not believe such anti-American feeling in a European country."

Several hundred fans booed and jeered, and a group set fire to an Israeli flag, while others tried to burn an American flag but couldn't get it to light.

653 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:42:52am

#587 WriterMom

At the military enclave, located on occupied Cuban territory, prisoners have been held without charges and subject to different types of torture since January 11, 2002.

Cuba News or CBS? They make it so hard to tell.

#620 loppyd

We are not here to see the problems which exist inside of Cuba, but to protest the abuses being committed in Guantanamo, although we defend the respect for human rights throughout the world, added Benjamin, who said she wasn't aware of the open letter sent by the Ladies in White to Sheehan.

Of course you aren't. Unless you can blame them on W it would be a waste of time.

Hey {Realwest}! I'm doing pretty good~ How YOU doin? :D

654 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:43:06am

#641 Occasional Reader

Never watched sex & the city and never will.

I prefer the History Channel and I love the shows they do on the military.

655 hayseed  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:43:12am

#599 realwest.... Good Morning realwest, had a great time at lunch with the kids. thanks for asking.

656 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:43:50am

#634 P-L: And that was only up until 6 am on January 1! The yoots probably had another good thirty to sixty minutes of Car-B-Quing ahead of them before breakfast.

657 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:44:47am

635 Elric

oh, I think on a state to state level, there are many good republicans.

but the national public face is sliding to the left.

The republican party had people who could be leaders, but the media skewered them to keep them from being effective (and then called it balanced unbiased coverage)...

Frist, Santorum, even Romney (I don't care where one was, if they're willing to do what is right.)

the Media destroyed Frist over judicial appointments with his 'nuclear option'...

the Media made Santorum into a raving lunatic loser for having the guts to stand up to our enemy and look after the safety of the United States

and the Media is trying to turn Romney into a 'flip flop' artists so that republicans think of him as Kerry.

but, they're unbiased... next up, Chris Matthews has a one on one interview with Hillary Clinton.... there are sure to be some hard questions there, on the next "Teeball".

658 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:45:07am

#642 MandyManners FWIW, I think this country would look and be a helluva lot better off.

659 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:45:46am

Why is "attacked embassy" in quotes?

Shocker: They used the word Leftists.

660 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:46:13am

645 Nosubmission

I linked to it when it was on Drudge.

I said something like "The weenies in san Fran finally found something they'd be willing to fight over."

661 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:46:30am
#645 NoSubmission

When leftists attack:


Members of an all-male singing group from Yale University were attacked and beaten outside a New Year's Eve party in San Francisco, and the parents of a singer who suffered a broken jaw said they are outraged no arrests have been made.

The Baker's Dozen, an a cappella group that formed at Yale in 1947 and has performed for the president, were on a West Coast winter tour when they were invited to a party in their honor, said Reno Rapagnani, a retired San Francisco police officer whose daughter hosted the event.

The trouble started at midnight after the 16 student singers, wearing sports jackets and ties, sang "The Star Spangled Banner," witnesses said. A couple of other partygoers started mocking the singers as preppies and taunting them with anti-gay epithets.

"'You're not welcome here,'" Sharyar Aziz Jr., the 18-year-old Baker's Dozen member who had his jaw broken, recalled being told. "He called a few members of the group, whether it was fag or homo, very, I would say, juvenile taunting."

[Link: www.law.com...]

662 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:46:45am

#645 NoSubmission - Nope, didn't see it - any links?

663 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:47:25am

654 Nosubmission

I've come to appreciate the military channel more than the History channel.

less leftist revision.

664 grayp  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:47:41am

good morning everyone!

Nosubmission

Did anyone see the story of the Yale student who was attacked by a mob in SF after singing the National Anthem at a party?

Yep, sure did. I think it was more than one person attacked tho. And Sean Hannity has put up $10,000 of his own money as a reward.

Here's the EU outrage of the day. You know those Bulgarian nurses sentenced to death in Libya on trumped up charges they deliberately infected children with AIDS.

Well, Bulgaria is now part of the EU. So The Bulgarians ask the EU to please get involved in getting the nurses released.

I'm sure no one will be suprised at the EU response.

665 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:48:00am

Do lefties accuse others of being homosexuals and bash them?

666 BabbaZee  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:48:09am

#638 M. Bensson-Levi
Gut Shabbos

/see yez later

667 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:48:20am

'Morning, all.

668 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:48:33am

#645 NoSubmission
I saw that one but I got the impression they weren't really attacked for singing national anthem but rather for being at a party where they weren't welcome.

669 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:48:38am

{m} Hiya, toots.

BGB

How are things with you?

Ya know,I'm really glad it's Friday and I can get the hail out of the office. The Crisis Chick has been sabotaging me all week for whatever reason and has been meeting with my boss behind closed doors all teary-eyed. As a result, I'm on guard and I lock my PC when I'm not at my desk. She's insinuated herself with goodies, donuts, movies to the rest of the staff here and when she asked everyone if they'd like a Timmy's, she purposely made a point of not asking me.

I don't really care and I don't take it personal, I just have to be on my guard is all. What a piece of work and it's beginning to stress me.

Blech.

670 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:48:53am

The first Saddam Hussein
Soccer Tournament for youth
in the Palestinian Authority

A soccer tournament for Palestinian youth has been named after Saddam Hussein, the official newspaper of the Palestinian Authority (PA), Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, reported. The Palestinians have fervently supported Iraq and the terror against US soldiers, and in the past have honored Iraqis for killing Americans. A region of the Jenin refugee camp was named after the first suicide terrorist in Iraq who killed four American soldiers, Ali Al-Na’amani. [Al-Quds, April 2, 2003]

We give them more money than all the muslims put together, and they hate us more than any other arab/muslim group.

671 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:49:15am
#657 LanceKates 1/12/2007 07:44AM PST

635 Elric

oh, I think on a state to state level, there are many good republicans.

but the national public face is sliding to the left.

The republican party had people who could be leaders, but the media skewered them to keep them from being effective (and then called it balanced unbiased coverage)...

Frist, Santorum, even Romney (I don't care where one was, if they're willing to do what is right.)

the Media destroyed Frist over judicial appointments with his 'nuclear option'...

the Media made Santorum into a raving lunatic loser for having the guts to stand up to our enemy and look after the safety of the United States

and the Media is trying to turn Romney into a 'flip flop' artists so that republicans think of him as Kerry.

but, they're unbiased... next up, Chris Matthews has a one on one interview with Hillary Clinton.... there are sure to be some hard questions there, on the next "Teeball".


Never did care for Frist but Santorum was a big loss. Romney seems to be a good guy but Ill have to see more on him to decide. The MSM will give all the Dems a free pass unless they look unelectable. Thats what they did with Dean. We need new conservative leadership at the top. Bush needs to take the lead and stand by conservative principles these last 2 years or the party wont go anywhere in '08. Not because the Dems will attract more votes, but because the Republicans will stay home because whats the use.

672 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:49:23am

665 Mandy

No, dear. They accuse them of being Republican imperialists.

673 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:49:30am

#652 funkyfantom

Yeah, but Europe and the world were all with us after September 11th, until Chimpy McGeorge III ruined and wasted all that goodwill by invading Iraq and made everyone hate us.

Saturday, September 22, 2001

Oops, never mind.

674 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:49:58am

#656 Occasional Reader

And the true numbers have been discovered by a RADIO journalist, the Police had given a 50% lower total.

Carbecue, la nouvelle cuisine de la France islamique.

/P-L is going international

//after going nuts

675 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:50:03am

665 Mandy

NO! it was just a ploy by Rove!

nothing to see here.... keep moving...

Look! someone is wearing real fur...

*hands you a bucket of red paint*

/ Lefty Mode

676 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:50:08am

#642 Mandy:

I wonder what the country would look like if he hadn't been assasinated?

Hard to say, of course. Perhaps he'd eventually have been elbowed aside by the identity politics grievance industry. Or perhaps he'd have proven a bulwark against them.

677 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:50:14am

{m}

Of course you aren't. Unless you can blame them on W it would be a waste of time.

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!

678 bweep  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:50:34am

#385 BabbaZee

So, when are you moving to America?

I am actually applying for a job there at the moment. I don't suppose I have much chance, but it's worth a shot.
I've been hanging out in the lounge lately. I don't lurk on the threads so much now. I tend to post and run. Lot's more people in the lounge for me to fall out with.

679 annelid[deleted]  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:50:47am
680 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:50:56am

OR
I know of no compromise. You'll just have to rely on your enormous genitals to keep them entertained.

681 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:51:05am

{Miss Trixie}! Am I going to have to come up there and put crisis chick in a crisis?

/bitch bet'not mess with Miss Trixie.

682 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:51:30am

Mornin' NoSub!

Babbale et al.

683 hayseed  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:51:34am

#626 garycooper.....i saw the stranglers in 1979,pretty good band. some times they had neked girls on stage.


adult content

684 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:51:35am

The AP hits bottom and keeps digging. We know it was a rocket attack, the Greek police say it was terrorism, but AP decides to use the scare quotes in a headline that seems to be suggesting that we're all liars:

Blast at U.S. embassy called 'terrorism'

685 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:51:44am

668 Kilgore

they were invited guests. heh.

some of the other guests didn't like them or their singing.

so they called in some friends and a large group beat the piss out of them all.

and no one did a thing.

686 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:51:47am

#613 Lancekates


I've come to appreciate the military channel more than the History channel.

less leftist revision.

I'm doing the same. To much left moving!

687 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:52:10am

#653 {m} I'm doing well, thank you (though once you're retired, Fridays don't hold all that special meaning that they used to! LOL!). Glad to hear you're doing well.

688 loppyd  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:52:14am

650 Silhouette

"We're here to hate America. We can't be bothered with Cuba. Priorities, people!"

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!

689 coz  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:52:22am

Writermom-

Also,

In ancient Hebrew writing, back when it was pictographs instead of letters,

mom was spelled with an aleph, and a mem.

The aleph was a symbol of an ox head meaning "strong" and the mam was waves symbolizing "water".

mom was "strong water"

This "strong water" in the ancient Hebrew culture was actually a substance made from boiling animal fat that resulted in a type of glue.

Thus, the "mom" was the "glue" that held the family together!

pretty cool.

690 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:52:33am

I can tell you that after a couple of the protests that we did here in NYC, the one for Lynne Stewart and the one last week in Union Square Park, I know for a FACT that leftists are violent. We would have been attacked both times if it weren't for the police.

691 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:53:01am

#669 Miss Trixie:

She's insinuated herself with goodies, donuts, movies to the rest of the staff here

That would definitely work on me. Hell, if she throws in a neckrub or two, I'd push you in front of a bus for her.


/just being honest here

692 bweep  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:53:06am

See, in the lounge, if you screw up and type Lot's instead of Lots, it just vanishes into the ether. Here, I'm now deemed a permanent cretin.

693 GW  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:53:28am

56 hours till the 24 thread......

694 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:53:34am

Morning, Ben Hur.

How'd things go at the cabal last night?

695 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:54:00am

Bubba!

Thanks. Put a spring in my step!

696 vxbush  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:54:43am

693 GW

LOL I wondered who was going to bring it up first.

697 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:54:51am

671 Elric

I liked Frist. he seemed to actually want to accomplish things rather than bloviate like most of the rest of congress.

but you are right. Since Bush isn't running for Reelection, he needs to take a hard conservative stance to offset the Dem majority, and to give America a taste of what Conservatism is supposed to be.

698 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:55:03am

Just missed the 666 post.

/missed it by that much

/maxwell smart

699 Greg  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:55:09am

For what it is worth (Debka.com unfortunately) is reporting explosions on the Iranian side of the border at Khorramshar. It is a port and also an oil facility if I remember. Iranians have also instituted gasoline rationing since Septemeber.

It is a scrolling headline.

700 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:55:14am

wrote you mail. It was good.

701 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:55:37am

TRix
She's an office dhimmi!

702 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:55:41am

Mother of All Texas/Oklahoma Ice Storm Disaster Lunch Time Upcoming Giant Graphics (LGF, Not GCP. Apparently big fonts and colors possible at GCP, but the code is one I haven't learned) Thread watch


Looks like, from perusing early 12Z data when not finalizing plans for frac'ing the new well in Wichita County, North of Holliday, Southwest of Iowa Park, Southeast of Electra, the magic plain ol' rain vs massive tree and powerline damage ice storm line will run darned close to I-35 from near/South of San Antonio through DFW area (the magic line could run very close to DFW airport, so that on Monday morning just a few untreated overpasses in Dallas have a few ice patches, an inch or more of ice crusts all in Fort Worth, with trees snapping and taking down power lines), up into Southern Oklahoma, where the line then follows I-44 from near Oklahoma City to Tulsa, but becomes more of a frozen (snow and sleet, bad for driving but nothing like liquid rain flash-freezing on everything it hits) vs. freezing (sub-cooled liquid)line.

Stay tuned!


I may go with more pastel like colors, as the red/blue/green may be almost too eye-catching.

703 Pro-Bush Canuck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:55:46am

Leftists vs. Islamists...

Who is ultimately more lethal to the US?

Nancy Pelosi or Osama bin Laden?

Most would scoff at such a question. However al Qaeda is for the most part an external enemy. The US has more than enough power to defeat such pipsqueaks.

Pelosi represents far more insidious and destructive forces, and here brand of anti-American "progressive" ideology will bring about the undoing of the nation envisioned by the Founders far more surely than some rag-tag band of Islamists, who can be simply killed.

704 mad_scientist  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:55:55am

More Democrat Tom Foolery. It appears that Nancy Pelosi wants to raise the minimum wage for eveyone EXCEPT companies in her hometown. Hmmmmmm, wonder why that is?

snip....

House Republicans yesterday declared "something fishy" about the major tuna company in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco district being exempted from the minimum-wage increase that Democrats approved this week.
"I am shocked," said Rep. Eric Cantor, Virginia Republican and his party's chief deputy whip, noting that Mrs. Pelosi campaigned heavily on promises of honest government. "Now we find out that she is exempting hometown companies from minimum wage. This is exactly the hypocrisy and double talk that we have come to expect from the Democrats."
On Wednesday, the House voted to raise the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 per hour.

705 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:56:59am

699 Miss Trixie

*heads to Canada with his ball bat*

which one is she?

706 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:57:05am

Guilt for the ages

It only took PBS one hour to uncover the causes of anti-Semitism, now in an alarming heyday. In "Antisemitism in the 21st Century: The Resurgence," narrated by Judy Woodruff, PBS offered the answer: The reason for Jew-hatred, now widely promulgated among Muslim populations, is, well... Jews! Israel! Even Christianity!

707 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:57:12am
#658 realwest

FWIW, I think this country would look and be a helluva lot better off.

So do I. I have no idea what race relations would look like but, anything that would've marginalized Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would've been a good thing.

#676 Occasional Reader

Hard to say, of course. Perhaps he'd eventually have been elbowed aside by the identity politics grievance industry. Or perhaps he'd have proven a bulwark against them.

Although Rev. King had taken a turn to the left, I cannot see him turning his back on the principles he laid out in his "I Have a Dream" speech.

708 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:57:20am

In my fairly limited experience with Greeks, I've also found their political culture to be an odd mixture of anti-Americanism and generalized xenophobia.

E.g. I recall a conversation with a (really quite attractive, which is sort of unusual) young Greek woman on a beach, who opined that the "great powers" (read, us) supported the Republic of Macedonia calling itself, well, "Macedonia" (much to the Greeks' chagrin) because we want to use it as a foothold to eventually take over Greece.

I looked at her and replied calmly, "trust me, if the US wanted to take over Greece, we'd do it. We'd hardly need Macedonia on our side."

(She actually came around and agreed, eventually, which is rare in these kinds of, er, discussions)

709 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:57:27am

I meant 669.

710 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:57:40am

Parking rage comes to Somalia

The fighting, which one fighter said was sparked by a dispute over where to park an armored car, left at least six people dead and 10 wounded.
711 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:57:44am

#700 Ben Hur

Good, just as long as the world is yours, we are all safe!

712 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:58:06am

#692 Bweep

Here, I'm now deemed a permanent cretin.

WHAT ? Don't you know that we zio-nazi-rabid-racist-muslimhaters-bushbots-reacti onaries are ALL "permanent cretins" ?

It's a must.

Don'c'ya wory for the speling.

/And I like the "permanent"

713 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:58:33am

686 Dustoff

I've even been known to watch the Armed Forces Network.

(I love digital cable)

714 traveler  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:58:39am
#492 BabbaZee 1/12/2007 06:48AM PST

I was born a poor black child.

You've got my vote!

715 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:58:42am
#697 LanceKates 1/12/2007 07:54AM PST

671 Elric

I liked Frist. he seemed to actually want to accomplish things rather than bloviate like most of the rest of congress.

but you are right. Since Bush isn't running for Reelection, he needs to take a hard conservative stance to offset the Dem majority, and to give America a taste of what Conservatism is supposed to be.


Starting with securing the border. Thats my biggest gripe with him. To me, you cant pass yourself as tough on security and not want a secure border.

716 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:58:52am

#685 LanceKates

I hope Aziz wins big.

717 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:59:12am

#669 Miss Trixie

and when she asked everyone if they'd like a Timmy's

What's a Timmy's? Is that like a hummer?

718 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:59:29am

Hey Lance Kates, check out #702... you all stocked up on milk, toilet paper and beer?


(as we all know, you can never have too much toilet paper during a natural disaster)

719 Mike C.  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 5:59:31am

# 531 O R

Every damned chance I get.

720 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:00:54am

#702 Ed...

It's gonna be touch-and-go for us in DFW on Sunday. We may get some freezing rain.

721 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:00:58am

663 LanceKates

654 Nosubmission

I've come to appreciate the military channel more than the History channel.

less leftist revision.

I don't get the Military Channel. I just have regular cable. Sounds good though!

722 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:01:06am

Oh, and about this Greece leftists thing.

When you hear "it's about Bush, not America" and crap like that, just remember that when Clinton went to Greece the riots almost burnt down the whole effen island. Archeplakalsdkgio or whatever.

723 traveler  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:01:09am

I gotta run soon -- wish I could stay and play in the lizard room today.

I'm off to book club (Stolen Lives is our book today -- about a former favored family imprisoned by King Hassan II of Morocco for 20 years.)

Then I'm off to pick up my packet for my very first ever Houston Marathon. I've run 3 Half Marathons, so, it's time.

Wish me luck!

[Lizards]

724 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:01:45am

#704 mad_scientist
ha! too funny.

725 wanumba  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:01:46am

#702 Ed
It's eye-catching, but I can hardly read it - something about pink and that shade of blue - they're all decent colors, just don't contrast well for some reason.
Now, you said something about ice ... lunch ... noooo!

726 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:02:50am

m

{Miss Trixie}! Am I going to have to come up there and put crisis chick in a crisis?

I'd like that, really.

:)

OR

That would definitely work on me. Hell, if she throws in a neckrub or two, I'd push you in front of a bus for her.

LOL!

It just grates on my nerves and I hate to be on guard alla the time.

Peace

Concerning your comment on Eunuchs, at least it wasn't "The Perfumed Garden".

:D

727 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:03:08am

Athens is also home to, hands down, the world's rudest f**king taxi drivers. What a bunch of melakas.

728 traveler  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:03:13am

#706 Ben Hur

Judy Woodruff, PBS offered the answer: The reason for Jew-hatred, now widely promulgated among Muslim populations, is, well... Jews! Israel! Even Christianity!

Well, there you have it everybody. I thought for sure Angelina Jolie was going to give us the answer. She's with the U.N. now, you know.....

729 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:03:22am
730 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:04:40am

718 OR

as stocked as the family will become.

I'm apparently more of a survivalist than they are.

they've stocked up a few extra days of food, so we'd be good for a week.

we have water. and, yes, extra 'paper supplies'

me? I'd get a couple weeks worth of MREs and keep them stored inside, so they're always around 70 degrees. (rather than being in a hot garage in the summer)

still at work, but word is, if it gets bad we're going home.

still haven't made up my mind on martial arts practice.

731 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:05:02am

[Link: powerlineblog.com...]

Songs to learn and sing...

732 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:05:03am

#697 Lancekates

Since Bush isn't running for Reelection, he needs to take a hard conservative stance to offset the Dem majority, and to give America a taste of what Conservatism is supposed to be.

Sorry Lance. I like GW, but he's no Hard Conservative. Sometimes I'm not sure he's even in the middle.

But he should stand up now and take it to the Dem's.

733 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:05:14am

#704 mad_scientist

I hope every single bill is questioned as to whether there will be an exception for Samoa. I saw a clip of a congresscritter from N.C. on Fox this morning doing just that about the stem cell bill. Barney Franks blathered.

Hammer Pelosi w/ Samoa, GOP.

734 bweep  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:05:37am

French right in turmoil as Chirac threatens to challenge Sarkozy

President Jacques Chirac said yesterday that he would "think about" running for a third term - three days before his party is due to install his former protégé as its official candidate.


This French election is going to be a real turning point for France. It's likely to be a run off between the conservative Nicolas Sarkozy who called the rioting Paris immigrants 'scum', and the Socialist dolly bird Ségolène Royal. Some paris muslim was on British TV last night promising that if Sarkozy wins there will bloodshed that would make the revolution of 1789 look like nothing.
Now it looks like Chirac might screw everything up anyway......Well who'd have though it.

735 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:06:10am

#664 grayp - Morning to ya! I believe that EU non-response, but am still a little surprised at it; after all they are all against capital punishment, arent't they?
Interesting to note that that was published in the Brussel's Journal.

736 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:06:48am

#727 Occasional Reader
Ay hyessou!

737 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:07:10am

721 NoSubmission

it is.

They did a few part special on Marine Boot Camp, following guys and girls.

I paid partiular attention to the ladies in Training....

*sighs*

738 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:07:30am

Ward

What's a Timmy's? Is that like a hummer?

No. It's Tim Horton's Coffee.

Lance

LOL!

739 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:07:40am

#723 ~ traveler

Good Luck to you!

740 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:08:07am

#692 bweep

{bweep}

741 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:08:19am

#717 Ward Cleaver

WARD! It's too early in the a.m. to be wasting my tea w/ spewing.

BTW, how's the Beaver?

742 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:08:47am

Trix
Gah!

743 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:09:34am

Hamas vs. Fatah: The Execution of Mohammed Gharib

Last Thursday Hamas militants killed Sufian Abu Zeida's neighbor and fellow Fatah member Mohammed Gharib, head of Preventive Security in Gaza, in a raid on his home in Jabalya. The same force also blew up Abu Zeida's home. Abu Zeida, a senior Fatah official and former PA cabinet minister, said: "Mohammed Gharib had been my friend since childhood....The Hamas activists executed him with smiles, with pleasure. They laughed and joked among themselves and then shot him to death. Afterwards they tied up his nephew and held him for several hours, a boy of 16. At one point he asked for water. They returned a few minutes later with a suspicious-looking liquid and the boy understood that he shouldn't drink it. Then they poured it on his hands. Do you know what it was? Acid. Do you understand the depths of the hatred?"
G., a member of Gharib's family, joined one of the processions of unarmed civilians that were organized in an attempt to create a human barrier between the Hamas gunmen and the house. Then the gunmen opened fire at the marchers, wounding dozens. "Three of them pushed [Mohammed] Gharib into the wall and shot him in the legs, before our eyes....Three more came. They approached Gharib and shot him in the legs again....They took Thar, the teenaged nephew who used to escort him around, sat him next to his Uncle Mohammed, who was still conscious, and shot Thar dead."
"In the end they shot him in the head and the back and killed him," G. concluded. At that point, the other occupants of the house began to surrender as well. The gunmen waited for them outside, and each man who emerged was shot in the knees. (Ha'aretz)
744 WriterMom  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:09:45am

#689 coz

Strong water = chicken soup?

745 garycooper  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:09:58am

#683 hayseed 1/12/2007 07:51AM PST

#626 garycooper.....i saw the stranglers in 1979,pretty good band. some times they had neked girls on stage.
----------------------------

Thanks again! :)

I live in Detroit, and there were a few bands who weren't afraid to show some skin, over the years, before I got married, had kids, and never went to a rock club again.

I made an exception to the latter sorry-state-of-affairs, in the late-'90's, to see the Demolition Doll Rods with a young business acquaintance who was visiting from Chicago. Nice!

http://www.nestorindetroit.com/Demolition%20Doll%2 0Rods/pictures.htm

746 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:10:04am

NoSub

I'm ADDICTED to the Military Channel!

747 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:10:20am

Brit Muslim requests special goevernment healthcare just for Muslims

MUSLIMS should get special treatment within the NHS, a top medic claimed last night.

Prof Aziz Sheikh called for “faith-based health services”. He wants same-sex doctors, information to ensure treatments do not contain alcohol or pork, extra prayer rooms and circumcision for baby boys on the NHS.

748 windybon  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:10:26am

It's snowing here in NE KS, and south of Topeka, schools are closing down because of ice. Current official temp is now 14, but my thermometer says 10. We went from a record high yesterday to this today, but I've got all my errands run and don't have to go out again this weekend.

749 traveler  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:10:33am

#739 ChicagoBlue

Thanks, {'Blue}!

750 Mr Kufr  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:11:15am

#649 TFK
Yes, Judge Priddy is not witty. Now we have a lawsuit by hispanic businesses saying they lost money beacause of the town when it was Mr Quint-i'll-knee-ya of Loo Lack who told everybody to "not spend another dime in Farmers Branch" POS scumbucket liars all.

751 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:11:17am

From CAIR...


Action Alerts

Thursday, January 11, 2007

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ABC Turns Blind Eye to Glenn Beck's Anti-Muslim Smears

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752 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:12:05am

#741 Mandy

BTW, how's the Beaver?

Ahhhh Mandy, first the pic's yesterday and now beaver talk!


I can't stop panting (-:

753 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:12:14am

Pakistani kills sister for working and studying

EVerybody! WE are family! I got all my sistas with me.....But then they studieed! Now she's burieed!

754 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:12:41am

#702 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigade - Good morning to ya Ed! Very interesting weather news, but the colored alert was hard to read (though, of course, it could just be me) with the red on blue; maybe blue on red would've been easier?

755 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:14:18am

This wasn't Muslim terroism - this was LEFTIST terrorism.

the two shall soon combine.

756 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:14:23am

WRF machine numbers shows 1.60 inches liquid rain, with embedded thunder, Sunday, from noon to 6 pm. Surface temp dropping from 0.5ºC to -1.8ºC, while the temperature at 1500 meters is near 10º (50ºF), with temps slightly cooler in Fort Worth, but with a little less rain, and slightly warmer at Love Field, but with more rain. Somewhere there will be a very narrow gradation area between where the majority will fall as rain that freezes onto surfaces, and where the rain stays liquid after impact, maybe freezing in spots on elevated surfaces.

But maybe that magic line is just West of FTW and DTO, so all the Metroplex is rain, or maybe its just East of Dallas, so all the Metroplex is heavy ice with widespread Montreal style power failures.

757 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:14:24am

#730 Lance:

still haven't made up my mind on martial arts practice.


You should definitely go. How else will you be sufficiently trained up for when the anthropomorphic ice goblins attack?

758 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:14:34am

Taliban Reinforcement Effort a Bloody Failure

January 12, 2007: The Taliban are being unusually active over the Winter, apparently trying to get reinforcements, and supplies (especially ammunition) into Afghanistan. Many of these movements are being detected along the border, as NATO and Afghan troops expand their network of sensors and patrols by ground troops and aircraft (especially UAVs). It's preferable to catch the Taliban while they are moving, otherwise, you risk killing civilians. Two days ago, for example, sixteen Taliban were found in a compound near the Pakistani border. The Taliban were holding 13 civilians with them and would not surrender, and appeared ready to sneak off at night. The compound was bombed, killing everyone inside. This gives the Taliban a propaganda "victory" because of the dead civilians (who may, or may not, have been Taliban supporters.) But when some of the dead are women and children, the Taliban make the most of it in their propaganda, and simply ignore accusations that they use the civilians as human shields.
759 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:14:50am

#743 NoSub

Afterwards they tied up his nephew and held him for several hours, a boy of 16. At one point he asked for water. They returned a few minutes later with a suspicious-looking liquid and the boy understood that he shouldn't drink it. Then they poured it on his hands. Do you know what it was? Acid.

Makes the Romans who offered Jesus vinegar to drink look like saints.

760 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:15:32am

#752 Dustoff-507

Muhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

761 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:17:13am

On Topic, sorta:

Revolutionary Struggle claimed responsibility for a May 2006 bomb attack on Culture Minister Giorgos Voulgarakis, in which nobody was injured.

Why can't we have a Culture Minister named Voulgarakis?

762 Jay777  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:19:54am
763 Right Side  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:20:04am

#95 solomonpanting:

Clinton was reluctant to pursue Osama and his clique. Can we believe Gore would have been as persistent as Bush after 9-11?


Funny you should ask that, given that Bush failed to capture Osama because of the Pentagon's (read: Rumsfeld's) reluctance to send large numbers of troops to Afghanistan's eastern border to seal it. That's how Osama was able to escape--perhaps into Pakistan. So Bush's "persistence" couldn't overcome Rumsfeld's infatuation with minimalist military campaigns fought according to his doctrines of high-tech "transformation."

Yes, I absolutely do believe that a President Gore would have launched the same campaign in Afghanistan as Bush after 9-11. Why? Because the plan for working with the Northern Alliance to topple the Taliban didn't come from Rumsfeld and hence didn't depend on him. The plan came from the CIA, which had been working on it for years (meaning even when Clinton was still President) and had it already in place ready to go. All they needed was the green light. President Gore would have given that green light just as readily as President Bush did.

If President Gore's Secretary of Defense (whoever it would have been) wouldn't have been as much of a supreme egotist as Rumsfeld, he might have caved in to the CIA's demands and sent the troops they asked for to seal Afghanistan's border--and Osama would have been convicted in a U.S. court by now.

764 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:20:36am

#744 WriterMom
Ox + water = Cow Juice

765 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:20:53am

732 Dustoff

hey, a guy's allowed to dream..

766 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:20:57am

#736 Killgore Trout

BLESS YOU!

767 Kenneth  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:21:16am

Israel's Flying Anti-Missile System

Israel has come up with a unique anti-missile system. It's a large
(110 foot wingspan) UAV equipped with a radar and missiles. Flying at very high
altitude, the radar can spot ballistic missiles being launched by, say, Syria,
or Hizbollah in Lebanon, and fire a missile that would destroy the ballistic
missile as it was still climbing. Ballistic missiles are most vulnerable right
after launch, when they require several minutes to reach a very high altitude,
after which the warhead turns towards the earth, and returns at very high speed
(10,000 kilometers an hour, or faster). The Eitan system is still undergoing
development and testing. But, in theory, there's no reason why it should not
work.

Yes! Combining several different systems, and coming up with a new cost effective solution to an urgent problem. I really admire that kind of ingenuity!

768 annelid[deleted]  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:21:31am
769 bweep  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:21:47am

Interview with an honest boss.

#712 Poitiers-Lepanto
It's no good....I'm a worn out old gunslinger who just can't cut it on the dead thread any more.....sooner or later some young moonbat buck is going to come in here and use me for target practice...Gordon will just chew me up and spit me out...I'll just crawl off the losers lounge and die.....do everybody a favor.

770 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:22:08am

#729 PK - they may have been cheap laughs, but they were funny anyway! LOL! Thanks.

771 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:22:33am

757 OR

I can always revert and eat them.

I hear they taste like gator.

772 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:22:52am

#741 Mandy

The Beav is fine. How's your PC?

773 coz  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:23:37am

#744
#764

Oy!

774 Ma Sands  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:24:05am

#743 NoSubmission
Oh, man. Oh, man. ):

775 hayseed  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:24:31am

#745 garycooper....same here aint been to a club in years, really don't miss it.

776 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:24:42am

#766 m
;)

777 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:25:33am

Morning people.

Just stopped by HuffPo to see the reaction of the nutters to the US Embassy attack in Athens.

Many (if not most) of the commenters think that we attacked ourselves as some sort of diversion...like 9/11.

Sample comments:


Today the US started War against Iran by violating an Iranian Consulate... in Iraq.

So (the US) blows a firecracker in the US embassy in Athens... classic diversion... play the victim, become the victim... when in fact you are the agressor... just like 9-11.

Unreal !

Read the zionist papers, they're jubilant... "America will attack Iran"

ARMED INSURECTIN NOW !

Tomorrow will be too late, you'll be in a halliburton camp.
By: PaulRevere2


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sounds like a CIA job to me. a bush diversion. he just called daddy and said "cain't we jus blow up sumpin,somewheres"?
By: rowdyruffian


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This is the neocon's version of burning the Reichstag building. Who do they think is being fooled by this?

Last night W inexplicably threatens Iran in his New Way Forward speech.

At about the same time U.S. forces inexplicably raid an Iranian consulate, confiscating files and computers.

Now, an inexplicable explosion occurs at the U.S. Embassy in Athens.

And all the while a couple of carrier task forces are cruising just off the Iranian coast...

There are no coincidences. No, we're being set up again, folks.
A Green Zone in downtown Tehran by this time next year?
This insanity has got to be stopped!
By: utah


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I am also convinced it is another one of the Bush/Rove strategy - get a diversion going when the Decider's will is being challenged. This is getting old.
By: myturnnow

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This is obviously an Israeli Mossad false flag operation!

Clearly designed to be blamed on Iran.

If this doesn't work the Israelis will try to sink a U.S. Navy vessel in the Persian Gulf.

And, the sad thing is gullible Americans will believe it was Iran.
By: inhibator


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It goes on and on like this for 6 pages. These mush-heads can see no enemy other than the US and Israel.

We live in very dangerous times.

778 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:27:05am

#777 Ringo the Gringo
They're outdumbing the koskidz (so far).

779 SlothB77  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:27:18am

bomb threat at toledo airport

breaking

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

780 annelid[deleted]  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:28:27am
781 mad_scientist  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:28:57am

Someone is hitting the snooze button today......

782 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:28:57am

777 Ringo

it is hard not to view them a 17 year old 'anarchists' (which really just means that they want to wear stupid clothing with spikes on it and always look depressed and hateful.)

783 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:29:08am

774 Ma Sands

I know. Its too horrible.

784 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:29:14am

#763 allegedly Right Side:

and Osama would have been convicted in a U.S. court by now.

You know, you were almost sounding half-convincing as "we Democrats are really better hawks than that awful Bush"... right up until that last phrase. Are you sure he would have been convicted? What if they forgot to read him his rights when he was "arrested"?

785 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:29:18am

#777 Ringo the Gringo

Tomorrow will be too late, you'll be in a halliburton camp.

Damn it, the camp won't be ready until early next month. We're havign some issues with weather and getting supplies from Elbonia.

786 Murqtaad  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:29:48am

Ringo,

Last night W inexplicably threatens Iran in his New Way Forward speech.

Where do these children come from?

787 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:29:56am

#772 Ward Cleaver

My PC is wonderful. After scanning and cleaning numerous times and boosting the memory, and then getting rid of AOL's shitty protection and getting McAfee, life is good again.

788 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:30:19am

#763 Right Side

Yes, I absolutely do believe that a President Gore would have launched the same campaign in Afghanistan as Bush after 9-11.

Sorry sir, I think not. Gore would have done the same thing as Clinton. High altd bombing.

That way there would have been very little lost of like on our side.

789 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:30:46am

.

The Associated Press is skeptical that firing an anti-tank rocket at a US embassy is “terrorism:”

Of course it's not "terrorism".
It's all because of an old girlfriend of the Ambassador, she has some little GRIEVANCES...

/REMEMBER THE bLUES bROTHERS ?

790 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:31:27am

You know, all that talk about how the US attacked the Iranian consulate in Iraq is all so much nonsense. The building where the US captured those six Iranians was not a consulate, but rather a simple building from which Iranian 'diplomats' were operating.

It was not an official consulate, let alone an embassy. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good yarn.

As for the car torchings in France, the French government and media were complicit in undercounting the numbers by nearly 70%. From 383 to nearly 700 cars torched. You would think that such a gross undercount would get folks upset at the government and media, but everyone pretty much is shrugging their shoulders as if it doesn't matter. You can bet the thugs are watching closely. They know what they can get away with.

791 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:31:33am

#777 Ringo the Gringo - Good morning Ringo! Hey, I wonder if "utah" actually read some news, he wouldn't find so many things "inexplicable"? What a putz.

792 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:31:39am

#777 Ringo the Gringo

Dumbfucks. AAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH.

793 NoSubmission  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:31:46am

777 Ringo the Gringo

Did they break out the rabbit cages yet?

794 Iron Fist  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:32:06am

#777 Ringo the Gringo,

Civil war with these idiots seems inevitable. They hate America, and they want us to lose. Sooner or later some of them will act on it.

Interesting times...

795 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:32:40am

788 Dustoff

i don't think Gore would have done that.

he would have pleaded with the UN to impose sanctions.

796 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:33:06am
#790 lawhawk 1/12/2007 08:31AM PST

You know, all that talk about how the US attacked the Iranian consulate in Iraq is all so much nonsense. The building where the US captured those six Iranians was not a consulate, but rather a simple building from which Iranian 'diplomats' were operating.

It was not an official consulate, let alone an embassy. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good yarn.

As for the car torchings in France, the French government and media were complicit in undercounting the numbers by nearly 70%. From 383 to nearly 700 cars torched. You would think that such a gross undercount would get folks upset at the government and media, but everyone pretty much is shrugging their shoulders as if it doesn't matter. You can bet the thugs are watching closely. They know what they can get away with.

Its the French, they can do what they want

797 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:33:11am

#756 Ed...

But maybe that magic line is just West of FTW and DTO, so all the Metroplex is rain, or maybe its just East of Dallas, so all the Metroplex is heavy ice with widespread Montreal style power failures.

The last time we had that was just before New Year's Day 1979. I had two free tickets to go see Joe Montana in his final college game in the Cotton Bowl, and didn't go.

I saw that game recently on ESPN Classic, and I wished I'd gone. To the say that the ending of that game was controversial is an understatement.

798 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:34:04am

#789 P-L:

So I guess the Ambassador's "... there was an earthquake! A terrible flood!" explanation just didn't do it.

799 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:34:22am

#778 Killgore Trout - and that's damn hard to do!

800 Elric66  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:34:25am
#794 Iron Fist 1/12/2007 08:32AM PST

#777 Ringo the Gringo,

Civil war with these idiots seems inevitable. They hate America, and they want us to lose. Sooner or later some of them will act on it.

Interesting times...


They have the jihadists to do their dirty work.

801 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:35:50am

#786 Murqtaad:

Where do these children come from?


They are the Children of Men.

Well, of male-gendered persons of some sort, anyway.

802 biff  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:36:39am

#787 MandyManners 

And when you get rid of McAfee and replace it with Zone Alarm Suite it will get much, much better.

I have no investments or related ties to these products, just think McAfee is intrusive, and as bad as many spyware products itself.

803 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:36:50am

#777 Ringo the Gringo
Explosion at U.S. Embassy In Athens
komments...

It's actually far more likely that the U.S. attacked our own embassay ourselves than it was Hezbollah. Probably the reality is much more mundane though and won't play a role in the global trouble brewing.


...

Somebody smelled sulfur?
....sorry, a rocket launch landing in a toilet sounds like Bush ordered a CIA counterintelligence attack on Al Queda and missed as usual.


The Koskidz still come in second place to HuffPo on this one.

804 realwest  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:37:15am

#788 Dustoff-507 - Nah, more likely to have chucked a few Tomahawks at an aspirin factory, I think.

805 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:37:51am
Did they break out the rabbit cages yet?

DO NOT BRING UP THAT BUNNY CAGE VIDEO!

806 Golem14  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:37:59am

#53 Bill Amos

Maybe Micheal Moore farted ?

Was he in NYC on Monday? That would explain a few things... or maybe it was just the reappearance of the 12th Burrito.

Or both.

807 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:38:22am

#794 Iron Fist:

Civil war with these idiots seems inevitable.

Nah. They haven't the balls for it.

If they took even half their own rhetoric seriously, they'd have all either fled the country (we're a fascist dictatorship, dontcha know) or taken up arms by now. But in fact, they're mostly just spoiled kids trying to sound radical-chic, perfectly aware that their posturing poses zero danger to them.

808 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:38:23am

OOPs

LOST OF LIFE!

809 gymnast  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:39:01am

#763, Right Side. You still hanging around? Like a left wing shitbird trying to sell disinformation, dissembling bullshit, and discord? Like a false flag doubler left wing snot nosed shitbird? Tell us right side, who are your hero's? who are your role models? Al Gore and who else?

810 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:40:47am

#795 Lancekates

i don't think Gore would have done that.

he would have pleaded with the UN to impose sanctions.


True lance, very true.

811 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:43:17am

Yes, a guy who literally burst into tears over the Florida recount would have been tough as nails about Afghanistan. I believe it, don't you? After all, Gore is the man who bravely stood up against suburban sprawl, and is now remorselessly hunting down ManBearPig.

812 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:43:57am

#804 Realwest

Nah, more likely to have chucked a few Tomahawks at an aspirin factory, I think.

They have aspring factories there? Who knew. LOL

813 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:44:44am

Roads are already bad here in OKC. already some accident.

shutting down here in an hour.

814 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:46:39am

Remember that Cliton only engaged in warish behaviour when the press was looking into his personal life (I.e. Monica, or the Whitewater deal)

What? my testimony is going to be teleivised? Quick, get me to the UN to speak live!

815 newmelleman  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:47:31am

#813 Lance

Be safe on the way home & enjoy the extra time off.

816 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:49:12am
shutting down here in an hour.

Too late, Lance, here they come.


Recommended load: Rock salt, of course.

817 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:51:11am

763 Rightside

'Funny you should ask that, given that Bush failed to capture Osama because of the Pentagon's (read: Rumsfeld's) reluctance to send large numbers of troops to Afghanistan's eastern border to seal it.'

which wouldn't have even been needed if Clinton hadn't given up the chance to have him nabbed during his admin.

Yes, I absolutely do believe that a President Gore would have launched the same campaign in Afghanistan as Bush after 9-11. Why? Because the plan for working with the Northern Alliance to topple the Taliban didn't come from Rumsfeld and hence didn't depend on him. The plan came from the CIA, which had been working on it for years (meaning even when Clinton was still President) and had it already in place ready to go. All they needed was the green light. President Gore would have given that green light just as readily as President Bush did.

the Only thing Green about Gore is his enviromentalist mindset. his back is pure yellow. He'd declare war against factories long before he'd declare war against the Taliban. Be real.

If President Gore's Secretary of Defense (whoever it would have been) wouldn't have been as much of a supreme egotist as Rumsfeld, he might have caved in to the CIA's demands and sent the troops they asked for to seal Afghanistan's border--and Osama would have been convicted in a U.S. court by now.

If Clinton had have taken Bin Laden when he was HANDED to us, none of it would have happened.

almost a nice try.

818 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:52:19am

815 nmm

heh. going to be a slow drive.

and i'm not going to go to practice tonight.

which is a shame... it is weapons night.

but, such is life.

819 newmelleman  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:57:42am

"Oh yeah its weapons night
and the feelings right
Yes its weapons night
Oh, what a night"

/Kool & the Gang Posse

:D

820 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:58:16am

#807 Occasional Reader

If they took even half their own rhetoric seriously, they'd have all either fled the country (we're a fascist dictatorship, dontcha know) or taken up arms by now. But in fact, they're mostly just spoiled kids trying to sound radical-chic, perfectly aware that their posturing poses zero danger to them.

I know a lot of people like this (relatives mostly); always going on about how Bush is a fascist, neo-cons are Nazis, Christian theocracy blah blah....I'll say to them, "why don't you do something about it? If we really live under a fascist regime then why don't you and your radical friends form a militia or take to the streets? If Bush is really the next Hitler, then kill him....Save America!"....They just look at me with with blank faces. I guess they think that they can drive out the fascists with clever bumper-stickers.

Sad thing is that the most Leftwing nuts that I know are also school teachers.

821 TotallySirius  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 6:59:17am

#803 killgore

Do their mom's know they are making hats out her foil...again?

Every time something bad happens they immediately blame us or they spew forth conspiracy theories.

It must be horrible to live in moonbat world.

822 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 7:01:48am

No fair! Is Lance gettin' a snow day?

823 LanceKates  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 7:14:02am

822 redstate

no, Lance is getting a "1 to 2 inches of frozen rain/ice" day

and we're cleaning up my desk area now.

Have a good one all.

824 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 7:18:46am

Bye {Lance} Drive carefully.
As my dear old daddy used to say, it's slicker than snot on a door knob.

825 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 7:19:31am

Greetings from snowy southern California. Lance gets to go home and I get to put chains on buses. Bleh.
Maybe some good news:
Republicans seek to keep border agents out of jail

Republican House members yesterday asked President Bush to keep two U.S. Border Patrol agents out of prison pending their appeal of convictions for shooting a suspected drug smuggler in the buttocks as he fled into Mexico.
826 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 7:47:43am

Bye {Lance}!

827 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 7:54:46am

Dang- should have checked the timing- Lance is home by now :) Eh well- it's the thought... yada yada...

:D

828 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:01:08am

{m}

Eh well- it's the thought... yada yada...


That's right. Besides, he'll probably check back after he's home to see if anybody was talkin' about him.
Heeeeeeyyyyy, {Lance}!
:D

829 newmelleman  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:01:32am

{m}!

Weekend plans?

830 newmelleman  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:02:51am

{redstate}!

How'd the "first week" go?

/inquiring minds

NMM

831 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:13:07am

#828 {redstateredneck}
You know it! :D We luvs ya Lance!

#829 {newmelleman}!
Hey sugah! No plans that I know of... well, we do have a basketball game Saturday afternoon- other than that NADA :D And i like it that way :)

832 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:14:08am

ooooooooooooooooooooooooh!
First week of what?

:D

What'd I miss?

/damn j.o.b.

833 newmelleman  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:15:00am

#832 m

daughter's new school

834 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:15:08am

{nmm}

How'd the "first week" go?


Really well; no regrets! She's on the newspaper staff so that kind of gives her an identity in the student body. She was going to talk to one of the counselors today about maybe changing her English class. There are three different levels of English: regular, advanced and AP. She's in regular and the teacher asked her if she was in the right class after her second day.

835 newmelleman  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:16:43am

#834 redstate

Eggselent! Good to hear.

NMM

836 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:17:47am

HAHAHA! I heard on New Orleans radio about a couple who are getting married Saturday night. Since the Saints have a play off game that night, even their best man has cancelled on them! They're going ahead with the wedding and are going to have a tv at the reception.
GO SAINTS!

837 newmelleman  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:21:32am

redstate

Ever seen the movie "Diner". A couple was getting married and the guy was an avid Colts (ie. Baltimore, not Indianapolis) fan. Made his Fiancee take and pass a Colts exam before he would allow the wedding to go forward.

:D

838 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:23:53am

#834 redstateredneck~ she takes after her momma! Nothing regular about the redstateredneck girls!

I have a feeling she'll kick butt!

839 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:25:49am

NMM~ that's a good idea actually. If I ever get married again, I'll have to make them pass a current events test.

And there ARE wrong answers.

840 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:41:58am

I'm not 100% sure of the exactly military/governmental function of an Embassy, but presuming that it is a Governmental institution, Wrath wouldn't consider it Terrorism either.

How can their attack on our Embassy be Terrorism when our attack on the Iranian Embassy is a legitamate military offensive?

841 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 8:59:38am
How can their attack on our Embassy be Terrorism when our attack on the Iranian Embassy is a legitamate military offensive?


If you're referring to the Iranian embassy in Northern Iraq, maybe 'cause they were helping the bad guys?
I don't think that was the case of our embassy in Greece.

842 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 9:06:34am

#840 WrathofG-d

Uhm... maybe because we go in actually looking for bad guys (and yes, it was an act of war)... they just close their eyes and fire (hoping to take out some infidels - and don't seem to care if they take out their brothers in the process).

Lobbing missiles blindly and hoping to hit something isn't a military action. Sorry.

But if you think it was - then their actions (instead of terrorism) is a straight up act of war - so we should go ahead and take out their whole country.

But wait- it wasn't done by their country... just a crazy group within the country... who should we retaliate against?

843 Widow'smight  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 9:08:43am

Scarlett,

GO SAINTS!

My dear loverly lady, they play the EAGLES on Saturday. You don't want me to be unhappy, do you?

Besides, they're not even in your State!

Hello DDT, here for a quickie (Wife's at work, gotta get something ya know)

844 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 9:09:17am

m

Lobbing missiles blindly and hoping to hit something isn't a military action.


It was during the Clinton administration!

845 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 9:10:04am

Hey {Widow'smight}!

846 redstateredneck  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 9:10:39am

I'm outta here~
Later, lizards!

847 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 9:13:16am

*glares at redstate*

:D

Luv ya sugah! have a great weekend!

848 Widow'smight  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 9:14:40am

Hello Princess,

It's a little warmer today, did you do something special to share your warmth today?

849 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 9:17:09am

#848 Widow'smight
It was total mind control I tells ya. I said "sunshine- hook a brotha up"

And there ya go.

:D

850 Widow'smight  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 9:21:10am

Princess M,

With that pretty smile of yours, there'd be more than mind control going on. You'd pretty much get what you want (kinda like my wife).

I gotta get going again,

see ya later

851 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 9:35:48am

Bye Widow'smight! Have a great weekend!

(better late than never)

:D

852 Daisy  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 10:08:33am

#203 Spiritof1683

But then Thucydides could never have imagined that the day would come when we were so filled with self-loathing thanks to political correctness that we would blame our injuries and deaths upon ourselves rather than those who inflicted it."

What you (correctly) describe is sad - it's loathsome too. We, as a people, have lost our moral compass. I believe that only when objective moral reasoning is restored to a place of honor (and subjective 'experience' returns to its rightful place .. which is not ruling center stage of our individual social endeavors - but instead fosters right actions from a well informed full functioning conscience -striving towards Objective Truth) will Americans once again figure out how to use that compass. Charles is sure giving the opportunity (to learn to use a moral compass) a leg up, isn't he?

853 Daisy  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 10:10:06am

The West is attacking itself all over the place.

854 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 10:49:28am

842 M:

If you are still here...

I do not in any manner deny that this was indeed an hostile act against our country. ("Act of War" is a legal term of art that I am not familiar enough with to comment on) I would also not deny the United States' right to respond to this provocation/attack. I am not defending the act, claim that it was harmless, or in any manner diminish its signifigance.

My only quibble is with the use of the term "Act of Terrorism". I am still very confident that this act was not one. Just because we are more professional fighting force that doesn't "just close their eyes and fire", and "they" are, doesn't elevate their every act to an "Act of Terrorism". You also stated that

"Lobbing missiles blindly and hoping to hit something isn't a military action"

Yes it is, its just a poorly executed one. Your type of reasoning would thus turn every crappy military force, and mega-violent criminal act into a "Terrorist Organization" whether they target Governmental institutions, military establishments, or pizza parlors full of innocent civilians. This is not the "rule". To me a Terrorist Act is one against innocent civilians, with the purpose of affecting Political decisions. (ok not my best definition, but the point is that for the most part it is an attack on civilians, I am aware that my bad definition opens up questions about the Allies actions in WW2, etc. But I presume you get the point.)

Your second questions pertained to how I would respond. Since, as you noted, this was not an act by the Government, I would respond with a mix of help from the local government, "Federal Government" of Greece, and then carry out a low grade, CIA/special forces action to infultrate and dismember the proto-military organization that attacked our Embassy.

841 RedStateRedneck:

If you're referring to the Iranian embassy in Northern Iraq, maybe 'cause they were helping the bad guys?
I don't think that was the case of our embassy in Greece.

If you were to ask the people who attacked our Embassy in Greece, I am very confident that they could describe our actions in the exact same way. "They" see the United States as the "bad guys", thus to them, we are a legitamate target. (NO, I am not taking their side, nor justifying their position. I think they are wrong and their act should be responded to with the appropriate vigilance. For an example see my response above. I am only pointing out, with all due respect to you as a person, the weakness of your argument.)

In some ways, our defining of military actions as "Act of Terrorism" instead of just Act of War, probably causes mmost of the problems we have today with identifying our enemy and our ability to respond to their attacks. Why we concentrate so much on their methods of attacks is puzzling. We should spend less time trying to convince the world that their methods are worse than ours and just be more upfront about it: They attacked us, we won't stand for it, this is our response! Period!

855 fiery red xiii  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 10:59:23am

Well all, I apologize...I said I would.


Red

856 m  Fri, Jan 12, 2007 11:34:50am

#854 WrathofG-d
I see your point, but I would consider it an act of terrorism because it was an unregulated military action.

Does that sound better?

It wasn't a military action by an actual military.

In this clip... it was terrorists taken out. Not a military effort- even though they were targeting the military.

*shrug*

It's just how I see it.


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